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jjesseis herd 5 out?02:11
Lathiatya02:11
jjesseok02:11
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yuriyyuck was the OO.o splash screen ubuntuified03:12
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jjesseis downloads from edgy to feisty really at 30k/s03:43
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manchickenWell, we're moved.04:30
jjessecool04:31
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jjesseonly 4 hours and 34 minutes remaining according the Upgrader04:33
manchickenHeh04:33
jjessewhat a nice piece of software04:33
manchickenYeah.04:33
jjessegreat job Riddell04:33
jjesseand company04:33
manchickenI did the apt-get distupgrade thingy on my dev box.04:34
manchickenMy work lappy is still happily plugging away with edgy.04:34
jjessei'm hopefully getting a new work laptop this weekend04:34
manchickenI'm on an aircard right now until I can get my internet service set up tomorrow.04:35
manchickenAircards suck.04:36
manchickenIt's only about twice the speed of dial-up.04:36
manchickenIf I wanted that I'd be a DSL subscriber.04:36
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nixternal!info kubuntu-docs06:10
ubotukubuntu-docs: kubuntu documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 6.10-1 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 2056 kB06:10
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Riddelljjesse: you got the upgrader working?09:19
puslingRiddell: you are fallen off oftc ;)09:21
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_StefanS_mornings09:57
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Riddellsalut10:13
imbrandonheya Riddell10:15
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Riddelljjesse: is that you finished with your client who didn't let you have irc access?10:31
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larsivihmm, I had compiz-core installed from the edgy days, but the upgrade (and removal) fails due to some script problems - http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpnjutlg.php10:49
larsiviis there somehow possible to just force remove it?10:49
Riddelllarsivi: how are you upgrading?10:50
larsiviapt-get upgrade - but I think it already failed in the dist-upgrade10:50
larsivitrying to remove it gives me the same error more or less10:51
Riddellif the compiz packages you had installed are all from the ubuntu archives then file a bug10:51
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larsivithey are from either universe or multiverse I think11:00
Riddellthat's fine then11:00
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Riddellhas anyone experienced washed out video in kaffeine?  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13834011:05
UbugtuKDE bug 138340 in general "Kaffeine 0.8.3 has greatly increased contrast with XV on i810 video cards" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] 11:05
crimsunRiddell: I have; it's not a xine bug but a driver bug in i810.11:10
crimsun(affecting both -i810 and -i810-modesetting)11:10
Riddellcrimsun: ah, there's another problem where kaffeine didn't restore the contrast setting properly, so including the patch for that should allow affected people to set the contrast and be happy11:11
crimsunah, interesting.11:12
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RiddellLure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel11:59
jjesseRiddell: yes12:09
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imbrandonRiddell, sounds like fun :P12:20
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sebasAre there more people that cannot drag and drop emails from one kmail dimap folder to another?12:40
sebasI don't get the more or copy or cancel dialogue anymore12:40
sebasI think it happened with the last kde updates.12:40
sebasAnd it's fixed after restarting kmail.12:41
sebasSorry for the noise (not that there was signal)12:41
Hobbseehehe ;)12:48
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Riddellnixternal!  doc string freeze today no?12:54
LureRiddell: that would be nice and would make lot's of sense12:56
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RiddellLure: lets ask the kubuntu council to declaire it so12:57
HobbseeLure: what's this for?12:58
Lure[11:59]  <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel12:58
Hobbseesounds good to me12:58
Riddellraphink, allee?12:58
LureRiddell: any news on libkexiv2 in source NEW?12:58
Hobbseedoes this mean that kubuntu council can decide such things, for kubuntu?12:58
Hobbseeie, to break freezes, etc?12:59
RiddellLure: seb says he did lots of other archive admin yesterday and didn't get to it :(12:59
alleeRiddell: pong12:59
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RiddellHobbsee: for KDE stuff in universe I'm happy to overrule MOTU council unless they object12:59
LureHobbsee: see my comment: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html12:59
HobbseeLure: yeah, i saw.  that's what made me think of it.12:59
Riddellallee: <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel12:59
HobbseeLure: that being said, i wonder if it'd be possible to put it as an alternate to g-p-m in kubuntu-desktop (not on the cd)01:00
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Hobbseeso people have the option about too many config options, or not enough01:00
Hobbseewithout removing k-d01:01
LureHobbsee: 0.7.2 is still considred as "unstable" by upstream, therefore I do not see any hurry01:01
LureHobbsee: and bugs are already coming in...01:01
HobbseeLure: ahhh01:01
LureHobbsee: you can install it w/o removing k-d01:01
Riddellkde-guidance-powermanager is already a recommends01:01
Hobbseeoh yes, you probably can now01:01
LureHobbsee: and you can remove g-p-m (it is only recommends)01:01
Hobbseeoh, so we dont install it by default per se, anyway, interesting01:02
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LureHobbsee: all recomends of k-d are inslled by default01:02
Hobbseeyep01:02
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alleeRiddell: as KDE 4 is a moving target we have to rely on upstream.  No chance to stabilize it in the traditional sense IMHO.  If the people involved with KDE4 pkgs prefer it, general UVF is okay for me.  Aboout strigi and decebel: ...01:03
LureHobbsee: more and more stuff goes to recommends now, so if you have anything to suggest just ping Riddell01:03
alleeat least strigi is used by KDE3 apps.  So it needs an extra careful look.01:06
Riddellallee: it's only used by strigi-applet, which is released alongside strigi01:06
Lureallee: only applet & client01:06
alleeRiddell, Lure: If the applet client + updated strigi is stable, no problem ;)  I only would like to prevent that we make a KDE3 app worse just to get some more KDE 4 features in.01:08
Lureallee: they are all released together01:08
alleeAs soon a a new KDE4 Snapshot comes out, almost everyone will jump on it, regardlass what KDE4 we in include ;)01:09
Lureallee: it is qt4 app, therefore usable on kde01:09
Lurekde301:09
alleeLure: I only remember debian SEGV with updated strigi.  (but did not look carefully at the reports)01:09
Lureallee: yep, this is linked with plugins and I plan to work on it01:09
HobbseeLure: cool :)01:09
alleeLure: ah, great01:10
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raphinkRiddell: what's up?01:11
Lurestrigi is not as fancy as kerry, but it does not kill my laptop01:11
alleeraphink: [12:59]  <Riddell> allee: <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel01:11
allee:)01:11
raphinkI'm fine with this :)01:11
alleeas Lure will have an eye on strigi  +1 from my side too.01:12
Riddellrocking, I'll inform MOTU01:14
Riddell" My girlfriend doesn't want to update her Edgy to Feisty ever when today she realized that the sleeping Konqi was gone from the shutdown"01:14
Riddell_StefanS_: oh dear :)01:14
_StefanS_haha tell her about the doUbuntuLogout=001:15
_StefanS_then she'll have konqi back01:15
_StefanS_women...01:15
Lure_StefanS_: yep, you can never understand them... ;-)01:17
Hobbseehaha01:17
HobbseeLure: we like bling and shiny things :P01:17
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_StefanS_argh01:17
LureHobbsee: and ponnies ;-)01:17
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_StefanS_well they're from another planet I'm told..01:17
HobbseeLure: just tell your girlfriend to make it her desktop background, then she can see it all the time!01:18
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Hobbseeer, sorry.  Riddell's quote's girlfriend01:18
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_StefanS_most are.01:18
_StefanS_:D01:18
HobbseeLure: imbrandon has the fetish for ponies.01:18
LureHobbsee: I have still on my TODO to move my wife from Windows to Kubuntu :-(01:18
_StefanS_Lure: just do it, take the wrap for it , and in one month the bitching wears off..01:20
_StefanS_Lure: done it myself, and my wife dont want to go back since she has come accustomed to it now01:21
HobbseeLure: hehe01:21
_StefanS_which is nice.01:21
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mhbhi all01:51
Hobbseeheya mhb!01:52
Riddellash211_: bug 74478 is fixed not rejected :)01:56
UbugtuMalone bug 74478 in adept "adept cannot answer Debconf questions" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7447801:56
nixternalRiddell: yes, today is doc string freeze :(02:02
nixternalnever enough time I tell ya02:02
mhbnixternal: how much time did you have?02:03
nixternalI will have a few more patches I am sure come in today, then I will create the po files, upload, package, upload :)02:03
Hobbseeoh damn02:03
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Hobbseemilk!02:03
nixternalmhb: the entire release, BUT...it is hard to document due the changes, so usually you start the documentation process the last month to month and a half before freeze02:03
nixternaland seeing as I am the only one who worked on Kubuntu docs this release, it was a tight schedule02:04
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nixternalhehe02:04
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larsivihe's scottish I suppose?02:05
nixternalI guess so02:05
nixternalso is half my family and I don't even think they like it02:05
nixternalmy x-wife did like it though02:05
nixternalI need to make an index page for the system docs yet02:07
nixternalouch, I forgot all about that02:07
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je4dRiddell: the kdelibs4-doc  deb for kludge on kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3 seems to be incomplete03:54
je4dit's a 24m file when the packages file reckons it should be closer to 4003:55
Riddellje4d: there's no such package03:55
Riddellerr, hmm, there is03:55
Riddellwhy on earth is kdelibs from kde 3 in that archive03:56
je4dRiddell: good point.. i hadn't spotted the version was 3.5.x03:57
je4dthere's a whole bunch of 3.5.x stuff in there03:58
RiddellI wonder how that happened03:59
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je4dI almost installed some of it O_o04:02
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kdefreakRiddell: My career choice / guidance teacher is bugging me for my volunteer hours, could you email them to her please?04:04
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MrWGWgood morning04:05
kdefreakmorning MrWGW04:05
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LureRiddell: we got first SRU through verification - bug 7361704:13
UbugtuMalone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7361704:13
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RiddellLure: oh, good, what does that mean?04:15
LureRiddell: we can upload it to -updates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates04:16
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LureRiddell: have seen edgy was updated with upgrade changes - does this mean we can try, or is there still something on soyuz side missing?04:17
RiddellLure: seems adept failed to compile :(04:18
LureRiddell: :-(04:18
je4dRiddell: i'm still having problems installing kludge.. kdelibs5_3.80.3-0ubuntu1~edgy1  is in the archive but is absent from the packages file04:21
je4dsame goes for kdelibs5-dev04:23
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je4dand for kde4libs and kde4libs-data04:29
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je4der, not kde4libs, that's not a package.04:31
Riddellje4d: should be updated now04:33
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je4dRiddell: cheers.. i'll see if apt-get -f install can defuckup my system now :)04:34
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bddebianHeya04:48
Jucatohi :D04:50
bddebianHi Jucato04:54
kdefreakRiddell: still have her email?04:57
Riddellkdefreak: probably not since my irssi restarted04:57
kdefreakRiddell:  kk, I'll go get it again04:57
Jucatohm... is the oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp in feisty complete already? the one for edgy seems to have missing images/text04:58
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ryanakcaThanks Riddell :D07:05
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fdovingwhere can one find the list of packages included on the livecds?07:17
Riddellhttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20070308/feisty-alternate-i386.list ?07:25
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fdovingRiddell: thanks, is that true for the livecd too?07:30
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dinosaur-rushi07:45
Riddellfdoving: no, but it's 99% the same07:46
fdovingRiddell: ok. thanks.07:47
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Riddellfdoving: you can get them from here http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/livefs-build-logs/feisty/kubuntu/20070308.1/07:51
Riddellwith some parsing07:52
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Riddellgood luck07:52
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dinosaur-rusplease fix udev so all symlinks in /dev/.udev/db are valid (just add leading "../../")07:53
Riddellryanakca: enjoy it07:54
Riddelldinosaur-rus: no udev maintainers here07:54
tomado i need to do something special to make it bootable?07:55
Riddelltoma: nope07:55
dinosaur-rusRiddell: ok, just I thought it was extended by Kubuntu team :))07:56
tomawodim: No such file or directory.07:58
tomaCannot open SCSI driver!07:58
Riddelldinosaur-rus: nope07:58
Riddelltoma: bad burn?  try validating the CD07:58
tomaRiddell: it does not want to burn to start with07:59
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tomado i need wodim to burn?07:59
ryanakcaRiddell: will do08:00
tomahm, thats installed already08:00
dinosaur-rusRiddell: if there's a fix for that problem, will it be published in package repositories? in other words, will it be considered important bugfix?08:02
tomaah, access rights to the device08:02
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tomaok, lets try booting from it08:06
Riddelldinosaur-rus: it would be in feisty08:06
dinosaur-rusRiddell: I already use Feisty08:08
dinosaur-rusRiddell: and there's udev 106 available, but Kubuntu still uses 10308:10
Riddellkubuntu just uses whatever ubuntu uses08:11
Riddellubuntu has been in upstream version freeze for some weeks08:11
dinosaur-rusok, in fact that's not so important, just a bit annoying :)08:12
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tomaRiddell: i received an "i/o error reading boot cd" with on the background: "isolinux: disk error 80 ax=4820, drive 9f", should i report that somewhere or did i do something wrong maybe?08:18
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fdovingmetisse looks cool.08:22
Riddelltoma: can you verify that the burn is good at the CD boot?08:23
Riddelltoma: but yes, do report it08:23
tomaRiddell: results in the same error08:23
Riddelltoma: boot into your current system and do an md5sum check on it08:23
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tomaRiddell: is that md5sum /dev/cdrom ?08:27
Riddelltoma: not too sure what the best way is08:27
Riddelltry it and see :)08:28
tomai'll do a dd08:28
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tomahmm, size is different08:32
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tomasecond try08:59
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tomaRiddell: google suggest indeed broken in google only mode09:07
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srednawhy is kopete having ugly colors in the contact list?09:08
Riddelltoma: glad you agree :)09:09
Riddellsredna: tonio chose the theme09:09
srednaRiddell: how can i reset it to something nice?09:09
srednathere is no config options for that09:11
RiddellI'm sure there is, select a different theme09:12
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_StefanS_evening09:14
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srednaRiddell: the contact list09:27
srednathe main window09:27
srednaRiddell: i have a much more serious problem: i can't build kde4 kate09:27
srednait tries to link to kde3 libs09:27
srednabecause they are MISPLACED in /usr/lib !!!09:28
srednawhich appearently are first in the -L order09:28
Riddellsredna:  -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ?09:32
srednaRiddell: it seems you are not using a standard kopete distribution09:32
srednaRiddell: that kinda doesn't fix problems with the linker09:33
srednakanders@mercury:~/build/kdesdk$ make09:33
srednaLinking CXX shared library ../../lib/libkateinterfaces.so09:33
srednaCMakeFiles/kateinterfaces.dir/kateappadaptor.o: In function `KateAppAdaptor::openUrl(QString, QString, bool)':09:33
sredna/home/anders/src/kde/trunk/kde/kdesdk/kate/app/kateappadaptor.cpp:80: undefined reference to `KUrl::KUrl(QString const&)'09:33
srednai get > 1500 lines like that09:33
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Riddellworks for me09:34
srednaRiddell: i have kde3 devel packages installed09:35
sredna(but i use them, i think if that is the problem, it is WRONG)09:35
RiddellI do too09:35
Lurefabo: ping09:36
srednaRiddell: then, how is your kde4 devel setup?09:38
Riddellour kopete is standard, it just has StylePath=/usr/share/apps/kopete/styles/Clear in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kopeterc09:38
Riddellsredna: svn co; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4; make09:38
Riddellto paraphrase09:38
srednaRiddell: you must do somthing that changes your PATH for example09:40
Riddellthere's some environment variables here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php09:41
srednaRiddell: and explain why it doesn't work here. my setup worked in edgy, but not in feisty09:41
Riddellthey shouldn't be necessary to compile with though09:41
Riddellthere's very little changed in the KDE 4 stuff between edgy and feisty09:41
srednaRiddell: some binaries form KDEDIR/bin are used during the configure and build, so that can't be true09:41
_StefanS_Riddell: I'm afraid I dont get to do that kdesu thing... I have too much work at the moment, and the deadline is probably soon reached (?)09:42
srednaRiddell: could it be affected by the fact that i am on a 64bit system?09:43
Riddellsredna: I am too09:43
Riddellsredna: try the environment variables on that page and see if that is it09:44
Riddell_StefanS_: beta freeze a week today09:44
Riddell_StefanS_: still worth doing if you manage to find the time (for feisty+1)09:44
srednaRiddell: i do something exactly similar to that09:44
_StefanS_Riddell: oh yes, but I would like to have it in feisty :)09:44
_StefanS_Riddell: I will have the deadline in mind, hopefully things wear off..09:45
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vtigerHello09:46
Riddell_StefanS_: don't get yourself fired on our account :)09:46
Riddellhi vtiger09:46
vtigercan I have a little help with a dchroot error?09:46
_StefanS_Riddell: hehe no dont worry, I wont ;)09:46
Riddellvtiger: I've never used dchroot, although you can ask09:47
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vtigerWhen I run it with the -d option to get X it throws an error that says chdir: file or folder not found09:49
vtigerNo such file or directory09:49
Riddellvtiger: nope, no idea I'm afraid09:49
Riddellvtiger: #ubuntu-motu might know, personally I just use a plain chroot09:49
vtigerRiddell: You use X from the chroot?09:50
vtigerThough you probably debstrapped the chroot anyway09:52
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Riddellvtiger: yes, debootstrap it and mount -t none -o bind /tmp chroot/tmp10:04
vtigerRiddell: Whoot! got it working10:05
tomaRiddell: when i want kdebug output, do i simply add --enable-debug=full to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS or do i need to do more ?10:07
vtigerMuwahahaha back in KDE :)10:07
Riddelltoma: that should help, making sure it's turned on in kdebugdialogue too as well of course10:12
_StefanS_Riddell: I was wondering... is there any part of the day you are not working on kubuntu ?? :D10:17
_StefanS_Riddell: From what I can see you dont get much sleep hehe10:18
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Alpha_Clusterprobably10:28
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tomaRiddell: i've tracked down the suggest problem10:56
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yuriyRiddell: if you agree with the packages i chose to work on ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs ) i'd like to post an announcement for kubuntu desktop bugs week. hopefully we can get more people working on kde than we did for hug day :-\11:10
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yuriyalso, any ml's i should post to other than -devel and -testers?11:10
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Riddelltoma: ooh?11:37
tomaRiddell: sent a mail to you 3 secs ago11:38
Riddellyuriy: looks great11:38
Riddellyuriy: possibly -devel-announce (but let me proof read before you do)11:38
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tomaRiddell: the installer worked well btw, a lot more stable then last time i tried12:07
Riddelltoma: ooh?12:09
Riddelltoma: using the packages on kubuntu.org?12:09
Riddelloh, installer12:09
tomaRiddell: from the herd cd12:09
Riddelltoma: did you use the new manual partitioner?12:09
tomaNo, i choose the guided option on my second disk12:10
tomas/on/for/12:10
Riddelltoma: just read your e-mail, that all makes sense (although it still seems like a bug)12:11
Riddellthanks for doing that12:11
tomayou're welcome, glad I could do something12:12
tomaRiddell: there was one (major) translation error in the installer, is that coming from rosetta?12:12
Riddelltoma: it might come from debian-installer, a lot of the strings do12:14
Riddellbut not all12:14
Riddellit'll be in rosetta either way12:14

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