[02:11] <jjesse> is herd 5 out?
[02:11] <Lathiat> ya
[02:11] <jjesse> ok
[03:12] <yuriy> yuck was the OO.o splash screen ubuntuified
[03:43] <jjesse> is downloads from edgy to feisty really at 30k/s
[04:30] <manchicken> Well, we're moved.
[04:31] <jjesse> cool
[04:33] <jjesse> only 4 hours and 34 minutes remaining according the Upgrader
[04:33] <manchicken> Heh
[04:33] <jjesse> what a nice piece of software
[04:33] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:33] <jjesse> great job Riddell
[04:33] <jjesse> and company
[04:34] <manchicken> I did the apt-get distupgrade thingy on my dev box.
[04:34] <manchicken> My work lappy is still happily plugging away with edgy.
[04:34] <jjesse> i'm hopefully getting a new work laptop this weekend
[04:35] <manchicken> I'm on an aircard right now until I can get my internet service set up tomorrow.
[04:36] <manchicken> Aircards suck.
[04:36] <manchicken> It's only about twice the speed of dial-up.
[04:36] <manchicken> If I wanted that I'd be a DSL subscriber.
[06:10] <nixternal> !info kubuntu-docs
[06:10] <ubotu> kubuntu-docs: kubuntu documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 6.10-1 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 2056 kB
[09:19] <Riddell> jjesse: you got the upgrader working?
[09:21] <pusling> Riddell: you are fallen off oftc ;)
[09:57] <_StefanS_> mornings
[10:12] <imbrandon> moins
[10:13] <Riddell> salut
[10:15] <imbrandon> heya Riddell
[10:31] <Riddell> jjesse: is that you finished with your client who didn't let you have irc access?
[10:49] <larsivi> hmm, I had compiz-core installed from the edgy days, but the upgrade (and removal) fails due to some script problems - http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpnjutlg.php
[10:49] <larsivi> is there somehow possible to just force remove it?
[10:50] <Riddell> larsivi: how are you upgrading?
[10:50] <larsivi> apt-get upgrade - but I think it already failed in the dist-upgrade
[10:51] <larsivi> trying to remove it gives me the same error more or less
[10:51] <Riddell> if the compiz packages you had installed are all from the ubuntu archives then file a bug
[11:00] <larsivi> they are from either universe or multiverse I think
[11:00] <Riddell> that's fine then
[11:05] <Riddell> has anyone experienced washed out video in kaffeine?  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138340
[11:05] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 138340 in general "Kaffeine 0.8.3 has greatly increased contrast with XV on i810 video cards" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] 
[11:10] <crimsun> Riddell: I have; it's not a xine bug but a driver bug in i810.
[11:10] <crimsun> (affecting both -i810 and -i810-modesetting)
[11:11] <Riddell> crimsun: ah, there's another problem where kaffeine didn't restore the contrast setting properly, so including the patch for that should allow affected people to set the contrast and be happy
[11:12] <crimsun> ah, interesting.
[11:59] <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel
[12:09] <jjesse> Riddell: yes
[12:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, sounds like fun :P
[12:40] <sebas> Are there more people that cannot drag and drop emails from one kmail dimap folder to another?
[12:40] <sebas> I don't get the more or copy or cancel dialogue anymore
[12:40] <sebas> I think it happened with the last kde updates.
[12:41] <sebas> And it's fixed after restarting kmail.
[12:41] <sebas> Sorry for the noise (not that there was signal)
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hehe ;)
[12:54] <Riddell> nixternal!  doc string freeze today no?
[12:56] <Lure> Riddell: that would be nice and would make lot's of sense
[12:57] <Riddell> Lure: lets ask the kubuntu council to declaire it so
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: what's this for?
[12:58] <Lure> [11:59]  <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel
[12:58] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[12:58] <Riddell> raphink, allee?
[12:58] <Lure> Riddell: any news on libkexiv2 in source NEW?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> does this mean that kubuntu council can decide such things, for kubuntu?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> ie, to break freezes, etc?
[12:59] <Riddell> Lure: seb says he did lots of other archive admin yesterday and didn't get to it :(
[12:59] <allee> Riddell: pong
[12:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: for KDE stuff in universe I'm happy to overrule MOTU council unless they object
[12:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: see my comment: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah, i saw.  that's what made me think of it.
[12:59] <Riddell> allee: <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: that being said, i wonder if it'd be possible to put it as an alternate to g-p-m in kubuntu-desktop (not on the cd)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> so people have the option about too many config options, or not enough
[01:01] <Hobbsee> without removing k-d
[01:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: 0.7.2 is still considred as "unstable" by upstream, therefore I do not see any hurry
[01:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: and bugs are already coming in...
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahhh
[01:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: you can install it w/o removing k-d
[01:01] <Riddell> kde-guidance-powermanager is already a recommends
[01:01] <Hobbsee> oh yes, you probably can now
[01:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: and you can remove g-p-m (it is only recommends)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> oh, so we dont install it by default per se, anyway, interesting
[01:02] <Lure> Hobbsee: all recomends of k-d are inslled by default
[01:02] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:03] <allee> Riddell: as KDE 4 is a moving target we have to rely on upstream.  No chance to stabilize it in the traditional sense IMHO.  If the people involved with KDE4 pkgs prefer it, general UVF is okay for me.  Aboout strigi and decebel: ...
[01:03] <Lure> Hobbsee: more and more stuff goes to recommends now, so if you have anything to suggest just ping Riddell
[01:06] <allee> at least strigi is used by KDE3 apps.  So it needs an extra careful look.
[01:06] <Riddell> allee: it's only used by strigi-applet, which is released alongside strigi
[01:06] <Lure> allee: only applet & client
[01:08] <allee> Riddell, Lure: If the applet client + updated strigi is stable, no problem ;)  I only would like to prevent that we make a KDE3 app worse just to get some more KDE 4 features in.
[01:08] <Lure> allee: they are all released together
[01:09] <allee> As soon a a new KDE4 Snapshot comes out, almost everyone will jump on it, regardlass what KDE4 we in include ;)
[01:09] <Lure> allee: it is qt4 app, therefore usable on kde
[01:09] <Lure> kde3
[01:09] <allee> Lure: I only remember debian SEGV with updated strigi.  (but did not look carefully at the reports)
[01:09] <Lure> allee: yep, this is linked with plugins and I plan to work on it
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: cool :)
[01:10] <allee> Lure: ah, great
[01:11] <raphink> Riddell: what's up?
[01:11] <Lure> strigi is not as fancy as kerry, but it does not kill my laptop
[01:11] <allee> raphink: [12:59]  <Riddell> allee: <Riddell> Lure: what do you think of declairing a general UVF exception on KDE 4 and related packages, this would include strigi and decebel
[01:11] <allee> :)
[01:11] <raphink> I'm fine with this :)
[01:12] <allee> as Lure will have an eye on strigi  +1 from my side too.
[01:14] <Riddell> rocking, I'll inform MOTU
[01:14] <Riddell> " My girlfriend doesn't want to update her Edgy to Feisty ever when today she realized that the sleeping Konqi was gone from the shutdown"
[01:14] <Riddell> _StefanS_: oh dear :)
[01:15] <_StefanS_> haha tell her about the doUbuntuLogout=0
[01:15] <_StefanS_> then she'll have konqi back
[01:15] <_StefanS_> women...
[01:17] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, you can never understand them... ;-)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: we like bling and shiny things :P
[01:17] <_StefanS_> argh
[01:17] <Lure> Hobbsee: and ponnies ;-)
[01:17] <_StefanS_> well they're from another planet I'm told..
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Lure: just tell your girlfriend to make it her desktop background, then she can see it all the time!
[01:18] <Hobbsee> er, sorry.  Riddell's quote's girlfriend
[01:18] <_StefanS_> most are.
[01:18] <_StefanS_> :D
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Lure: imbrandon has the fetish for ponies.
[01:18] <Lure> Hobbsee: I have still on my TODO to move my wife from Windows to Kubuntu :-(
[01:20] <_StefanS_> Lure: just do it, take the wrap for it , and in one month the bitching wears off..
[01:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: done it myself, and my wife dont want to go back since she has come accustomed to it now
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe
[01:21] <_StefanS_> which is nice.
[01:51] <mhb> hi all
[01:52] <Hobbsee> heya mhb!
[01:56] <Riddell> ash211_: bug 74478 is fixed not rejected :)
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74478 in adept "adept cannot answer Debconf questions" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74478
[02:02] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, today is doc string freeze :(
[02:02] <nixternal> never enough time I tell ya
[02:03] <mhb> nixternal: how much time did you have?
[02:03] <nixternal> I will have a few more patches I am sure come in today, then I will create the po files, upload, package, upload :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh damn
[02:03] <Hobbsee> milk!
[02:03] <nixternal> mhb: the entire release, BUT...it is hard to document due the changes, so usually you start the documentation process the last month to month and a half before freeze
[02:04] <nixternal> and seeing as I am the only one who worked on Kubuntu docs this release, it was a tight schedule
[02:04] <nixternal> hehe
[02:05] <larsivi> he's scottish I suppose?
[02:05] <nixternal> I guess so
[02:05] <nixternal> so is half my family and I don't even think they like it
[02:05] <nixternal> my x-wife did like it though
[02:07] <nixternal> I need to make an index page for the system docs yet
[02:07] <nixternal> ouch, I forgot all about that
[03:54] <je4d> Riddell: the kdelibs4-doc  deb for kludge on kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3 seems to be incomplete
[03:55] <je4d> it's a 24m file when the packages file reckons it should be closer to 40
[03:55] <Riddell> je4d: there's no such package
[03:55] <Riddell> err, hmm, there is
[03:56] <Riddell> why on earth is kdelibs from kde 3 in that archive
[03:57] <je4d> Riddell: good point.. i hadn't spotted the version was 3.5.x
[03:58] <je4d> there's a whole bunch of 3.5.x stuff in there
[03:59] <Riddell> I wonder how that happened
[04:02] <je4d> I almost installed some of it O_o
[04:04] <kdefreak> Riddell: My career choice / guidance teacher is bugging me for my volunteer hours, could you email them to her please?
[04:05] <MrWGW> good morning
[04:05] <kdefreak> morning MrWGW
[04:13] <Lure> Riddell: we got first SRU through verification - bug 73617
[04:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73617
[04:15] <Riddell> Lure: oh, good, what does that mean?
[04:16] <Lure> Riddell: we can upload it to -updates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[04:17] <Lure> Riddell: have seen edgy was updated with upgrade changes - does this mean we can try, or is there still something on soyuz side missing?
[04:18] <Riddell> Lure: seems adept failed to compile :(
[04:18] <Lure> Riddell: :-(
[04:21] <je4d> Riddell: i'm still having problems installing kludge.. kdelibs5_3.80.3-0ubuntu1~edgy1  is in the archive but is absent from the packages file
[04:23] <je4d> same goes for kdelibs5-dev
[04:29] <je4d> and for kde4libs and kde4libs-data
[04:31] <je4d> er, not kde4libs, that's not a package.
[04:33] <Riddell> je4d: should be updated now
[04:34] <je4d> Riddell: cheers.. i'll see if apt-get -f install can defuckup my system now :)
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:50] <Jucato> hi :D
[04:54] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:57] <kdefreak> Riddell: still have her email?
[04:57] <Riddell> kdefreak: probably not since my irssi restarted
[04:57] <kdefreak> Riddell:  kk, I'll go get it again
[04:58] <Jucato> hm... is the oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp in feisty complete already? the one for edgy seems to have missing images/text
[07:05] <ryanakca> Thanks Riddell :D
[07:17] <fdoving> where can one find the list of packages included on the livecds?
[07:25] <Riddell> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20070308/feisty-alternate-i386.list ?
[07:30] <fdoving> Riddell: thanks, is that true for the livecd too?
[07:45] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[07:46] <Riddell> fdoving: no, but it's 99% the same
[07:47] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. thanks.
[07:51] <Riddell> fdoving: you can get them from here http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/livefs-build-logs/feisty/kubuntu/20070308.1/
[07:52] <Riddell> with some parsing
[07:52] <Riddell> good luck
[07:53] <dinosaur-rus> please fix udev so all symlinks in /dev/.udev/db are valid (just add leading "../../")
[07:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: enjoy it
[07:54] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: no udev maintainers here
[07:55] <toma> do i need to do something special to make it bootable?
[07:55] <Riddell> toma: nope
[07:56] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: ok, just I thought it was extended by Kubuntu team :))
[07:58] <toma> wodim: No such file or directory.
[07:58] <toma> Cannot open SCSI driver!
[07:58] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: nope
[07:58] <Riddell> toma: bad burn?  try validating the CD
[07:59] <toma> Riddell: it does not want to burn to start with
[07:59] <toma> do i need wodim to burn?
[08:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: will do
[08:00] <toma> hm, thats installed already
[08:02] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: if there's a fix for that problem, will it be published in package repositories? in other words, will it be considered important bugfix?
[08:02] <toma> ah, access rights to the device
[08:06] <toma> ok, lets try booting from it
[08:06] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: it would be in feisty
[08:08] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: I already use Feisty
[08:10] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: and there's udev 106 available, but Kubuntu still uses 103
[08:11] <Riddell> kubuntu just uses whatever ubuntu uses
[08:11] <Riddell> ubuntu has been in upstream version freeze for some weeks
[08:12] <dinosaur-rus> ok, in fact that's not so important, just a bit annoying :)
[08:18] <toma> Riddell: i received an "i/o error reading boot cd" with on the background: "isolinux: disk error 80 ax=4820, drive 9f", should i report that somewhere or did i do something wrong maybe?
[08:18] <toma> 4280
[08:22] <fdoving> metisse looks cool.
[08:23] <Riddell> toma: can you verify that the burn is good at the CD boot?
[08:23] <Riddell> toma: but yes, do report it
[08:23] <toma> Riddell: results in the same error
[08:23] <Riddell> toma: boot into your current system and do an md5sum check on it
[08:27] <toma> Riddell: is that md5sum /dev/cdrom ?
[08:27] <Riddell> toma: not too sure what the best way is
[08:28] <Riddell> try it and see :)
[08:28] <toma> i'll do a dd
[08:32] <toma> hmm, size is different
[08:59] <toma> second try
[09:07] <toma> Riddell: google suggest indeed broken in google only mode
[09:08] <sredna> why is kopete having ugly colors in the contact list?
[09:09] <Riddell> toma: glad you agree :)
[09:09] <Riddell> sredna: tonio chose the theme
[09:09] <sredna> Riddell: how can i reset it to something nice?
[09:11] <sredna> there is no config options for that
[09:12] <Riddell> I'm sure there is, select a different theme
[09:14] <_StefanS_> evening
[09:27] <sredna> Riddell: the contact list
[09:27] <sredna> the main window
[09:27] <sredna> Riddell: i have a much more serious problem: i can't build kde4 kate
[09:27] <sredna> it tries to link to kde3 libs
[09:28] <sredna> because they are MISPLACED in /usr/lib !!!
[09:28] <sredna> which appearently are first in the -L order
[09:32] <Riddell> sredna:  -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ?
[09:32] <sredna> Riddell: it seems you are not using a standard kopete distribution
[09:33] <sredna> Riddell: that kinda doesn't fix problems with the linker
[09:33] <sredna> kanders@mercury:~/build/kdesdk$ make
[09:33] <sredna> Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/libkateinterfaces.so
[09:33] <sredna> CMakeFiles/kateinterfaces.dir/kateappadaptor.o: In function `KateAppAdaptor::openUrl(QString, QString, bool)':
[09:33] <sredna> /home/anders/src/kde/trunk/kde/kdesdk/kate/app/kateappadaptor.cpp:80: undefined reference to `KUrl::KUrl(QString const&)'
[09:33] <sredna> i get > 1500 lines like that
[09:34] <Riddell> works for me
[09:35] <sredna> Riddell: i have kde3 devel packages installed
[09:35] <sredna> (but i use them, i think if that is the problem, it is WRONG)
[09:35] <Riddell> I do too
[09:36] <Lure> fabo: ping
[09:38] <sredna> Riddell: then, how is your kde4 devel setup?
[09:38] <Riddell> our kopete is standard, it just has StylePath=/usr/share/apps/kopete/styles/Clear in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kopeterc
[09:38] <Riddell> sredna: svn co; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4; make
[09:38] <Riddell> to paraphrase
[09:40] <sredna> Riddell: you must do somthing that changes your PATH for example
[09:41] <Riddell> there's some environment variables here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[09:41] <sredna> Riddell: and explain why it doesn't work here. my setup worked in edgy, but not in feisty
[09:41] <Riddell> they shouldn't be necessary to compile with though
[09:41] <Riddell> there's very little changed in the KDE 4 stuff between edgy and feisty
[09:41] <sredna> Riddell: some binaries form KDEDIR/bin are used during the configure and build, so that can't be true
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm afraid I dont get to do that kdesu thing... I have too much work at the moment, and the deadline is probably soon reached (?)
[09:43] <sredna> Riddell: could it be affected by the fact that i am on a 64bit system?
[09:43] <Riddell> sredna: I am too
[09:44] <Riddell> sredna: try the environment variables on that page and see if that is it
[09:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: beta freeze a week today
[09:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: still worth doing if you manage to find the time (for feisty+1)
[09:44] <sredna> Riddell: i do something exactly similar to that
[09:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh yes, but I would like to have it in feisty :)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will have the deadline in mind, hopefully things wear off..
[09:46] <vtiger> Hello
[09:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: don't get yourself fired on our account :)
[09:46] <Riddell> hi vtiger
[09:46] <vtiger> can I have a little help with a dchroot error?
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hehe no dont worry, I wont ;)
[09:47] <Riddell> vtiger: I've never used dchroot, although you can ask
[09:49] <vtiger> When I run it with the -d option to get X it throws an error that says chdir: file or folder not found
[09:49] <vtiger> No such file or directory
[09:49] <Riddell> vtiger: nope, no idea I'm afraid
[09:49] <Riddell> vtiger: #ubuntu-motu might know, personally I just use a plain chroot
[09:50] <vtiger> Riddell: You use X from the chroot?
[09:52] <vtiger> Though you probably debstrapped the chroot anyway
[10:04] <Riddell> vtiger: yes, debootstrap it and mount -t none -o bind /tmp chroot/tmp
[10:05] <vtiger> Riddell: Whoot! got it working
[10:07] <toma> Riddell: when i want kdebug output, do i simply add --enable-debug=full to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS or do i need to do more ?
[10:07] <vtiger> Muwahahaha back in KDE :)
[10:12] <Riddell> toma: that should help, making sure it's turned on in kdebugdialogue too as well of course
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I was wondering... is there any part of the day you are not working on kubuntu ?? :D
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: From what I can see you dont get much sleep hehe
[10:28] <Alpha_Cluster> probably
[10:56] <toma> Riddell: i've tracked down the suggest problem
[11:10] <yuriy> Riddell: if you agree with the packages i chose to work on ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTeam/Bugs ) i'd like to post an announcement for kubuntu desktop bugs week. hopefully we can get more people working on kde than we did for hug day :-\
[11:10] <yuriy> also, any ml's i should post to other than -devel and -testers?
[11:37] <Riddell> toma: ooh?
[11:38] <toma> Riddell: sent a mail to you 3 secs ago
[11:38] <Riddell> yuriy: looks great
[11:38] <Riddell> yuriy: possibly -devel-announce (but let me proof read before you do)
[12:07] <toma> Riddell: the installer worked well btw, a lot more stable then last time i tried
[12:09] <Riddell> toma: ooh?
[12:09] <Riddell> toma: using the packages on kubuntu.org?
[12:09] <Riddell> oh, installer
[12:09] <toma> Riddell: from the herd cd
[12:09] <Riddell> toma: did you use the new manual partitioner?
[12:10] <toma> No, i choose the guided option on my second disk
[12:10] <toma> s/on/for/
[12:11] <Riddell> toma: just read your e-mail, that all makes sense (although it still seems like a bug)
[12:11] <Riddell> thanks for doing that
[12:12] <toma> you're welcome, glad I could do something
[12:12] <toma> Riddell: there was one (major) translation error in the installer, is that coming from rosetta?
[12:14] <Riddell> toma: it might come from debian-installer, a lot of the strings do
[12:14] <Riddell> but not all
[12:14] <Riddell> it'll be in rosetta either way