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adam_gaim and kopete are better12:14
tarnoldwhat is amsn?12:14
adam_another im program12:14
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tarnoldoh12:15
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MoltovSo, anyone wana help me get this usb pci card to work?...12:16
adam_http://jserv.sayya.org/misc/amsn-i18n-xft.png12:16
adam_oops12:16
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MoltovDidnt think so.12:17
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guiden_does the "TAB" key work like in the console in the "Run Comman" applet in the menu?12:20
guiden_I mean12:20
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raven3x7  i need help with a networking problem. im trying to open a certain port range but i cant get it to work. i've used both a direct iptables command and firestarter, but nmapfe still tells me the port is closed(6891), while iptables -L lists it as forwarded. i tried restarting iptables but that didnt work either12:21
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ODCOkay I'm trying to get my nvidia card drivers installed.  I'm a newb to this environment.  I've downloaded it and when I type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run" it starts doing something but then says "nvidia-installer must be run as root"12:22
eagles0513875that means u sudo and then type the command that u performed12:22
ODCoh okay, thanks12:22
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adam_amorok does the same thing wmp does - i click quit without stopping and it plays the music for like 20 secs after12:27
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dasickishas anyone successfully installed beryl on feisty?12:27
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dasickisi keep getting a theme 1024x768 not found error12:27
Ghost75is automatix available thru adept? the automatix site itself seems down12:28
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mzanfardinowhat is the command used to launch a gui app with su privileges?12:28
LjL!automatix | Ghost7512:28
ubotuGhost75: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe12:28
LjLmzanfardino: kdesu12:28
mzanfardinoLjL: thanks12:28
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Ghost75ok, mainly wanted automatix for codex install and java runtime, will try to tackle them as individual beasts then12:29
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LjL!codecs12:29
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:29
LjL!java12:29
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.12:30
KanRiNiNdasickis: I run it w/o problem on Feisty12:30
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adam_night kids12:30
buttersso i just did a apt-get upgrade, and now my desktop won't start up anymore. it says bogl_init failed: setting screen size: cannot allocate memory.. can anyone help?12:31
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shahid#mepis12:38
BluesKajshahid, mepis is not an ubuntu distro12:38
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DexterFheck, I haven't done this in ages... if I smbclient -L a server and get session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE, what was wrong again? do I need to run smbpasswd on the client?12:40
eagles0513875is there a way i can check what port r open12:42
DexterFnmap12:42
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eagles0513875nmaps is the command12:43
DexterFyup12:43
eagles0513875whats the name of the pkg12:43
eagles0513875nm12:43
DexterFdunno. adept for the win.12:43
eagles0513875i got it pkg name is nmap12:44
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eagles0513875how do i read it12:44
eagles0513875nmap and then what other command12:44
DexterFman nmap12:45
stergiohi i got this AES encrypted partition "/dev/hda7 /media/Mo xfs encryption=AES256,encrypted,grpquota,usrquota 0 0" <<< fstab from an old Mandriva system that i want to mount ... i googled and found i had to install loop-aes-utils additional. So far so good .. now on mount it tells me Error: Password must be at least 20 characters.12:45
DexterFor try the frontend: nmapfe12:45
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stergiohow can i avoid the 20 character check cause it got about 15 characters passphrase when it was created12:46
eagles0513875whats a good tcp port for downloading bit torrents12:46
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dystopianrayhow do I turn off automounting in kubuntu?12:46
DexterFeagles0513875: any above 1024. try something like 29999 or sumsuch12:47
eagles0513875thing is all other ports r firewalled12:49
eagles0513875only ones open r 25 80 587 63112:49
eagles0513875at least from what i can tell12:49
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fatlipokay how do i go about doing midi playback in (k)ubuntu? .. i'm trying to use kmid and i get the error "Could not open /dev/sequencer"12:52
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stergiohttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_MIDI_sound_server_.28Timidity.2B.2B.2912:52
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stergiofatlip: ^^^12:53
lovlosswhats a good open source unerase program?12:53
fatlipooo nice thanks12:53
fatlipi did check that wiki but i didnt find anything, weird.. i'll check out that link12:54
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DexterF_!xvid12:56
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:56
Ghost75anyone know what to do about this? i try to open adept and get this : APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.12:56
DexterF_what, is xvid a restricted format..?12:56
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DexterF_Ghost75: probably somehow the apt database went fubar. there's a way to recreate it, but don't ask me, im all tarballs ;)12:57
Ghost75hmm12:58
DexterF_it was an apt option iirc01:00
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Ghost75i tried apt-setup and also apt-get update01:01
Ghost75neither worked01:01
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Ghost75am i gonna have to install kubuntu yet again?01:03
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eagles0513875is there anyway i can hack this wifi router and open up ports01:05
eagles0513875even though its in a place where i used to work not many people know how to set this stuff up i was the one who did it any programs that could help me01:06
ODCokay, so I have to edit xorg.conf to install the nVidia driver, when I make the edit is says i don't have access to save it01:06
ODCI'm trying to edit it in Kate01:06
eagles0513875downloads emacs01:06
DexterFwhat would be an appropriate package to get am XviD codec?01:07
eagles0513875type sudo first then kate then the location of the file u want to edit01:07
ODCoh okay01:07
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Ghost75anyone know what to do about this? i try to open adept and get this : APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.01:08
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eagles0513875did it work odc01:08
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eagles0513875how do i open up more ports01:10
eagles0513875on a wireless router01:10
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DexterFGhost75: have a look at the apt-get or aptitude manpage, i think fixing the db is mentioned there01:11
DexterFgoogle should turn sth up, too01:12
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eagles0513875dex do u know how i can get into the router without knowing usr name and pass and opening up more ports01:12
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Ghost75one of these days i'll find an OS that just works01:15
eagles0513875ghost dont give up on kubuntu01:16
eagles0513875is this ur first time using linux01:16
compilerwriterI installed fluxbox on my machine to have a lower overhead workspace for when I am remotely logging in via XDCP.  The problem is, when I fired up a fluxbox session, all I got was four desktops.  None of the machines programs were in any menu anywhere.01:16
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DexterFGhost75: there is: OSX. get a mac.01:16
Ghost75i've been trying to get kubuntu working for about 6 months now01:16
DexterFfar too long. ditch linux. get a mac. really.01:16
DexterFi'll do as soon as I can spare the cash.01:17
Ghost75and Dexter, i am anxiously awaiting Leopard's release, will be switching to mac then01:17
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compilerwriterYou must be trying to do something esoteric then ghost. I got it up and running right from the install.01:17
Ghost75compilerwriter: i did too01:17
Ghost75but then trying to get something working beyond the default install fubars it01:18
HaSHcompilerwriter, fluxbox-generate_menu try that :-)01:18
DexterFgood decision. a friend just switched from win xp to mac, he's a classic dork user, know jack about computers. haqppiest person in the world now. and console cowboys goit their consoles as well with bsd under it.01:18
DexterFscuse my typing :)01:18
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DexterFeagles0513875: the router? what?01:18
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HaSHhm wait im not sure kubuntu has that ......01:18
eagles0513875want to open up some ports but i dont know the user name or password to log in01:18
eagles0513875to the router01:18
HaSHwhat kinda routeer01:19
DexterFwell, talk to whoever administrates the router01:19
eagles0513875its a linksys01:19
eagles0513875dont remember what exactly01:19
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fizzbaneI edited Grub's menu to look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9172/ to add my windows to it. I get Error1: Filename must either be an aboslute pathname or blocklist. Any suggestions?01:19
DexterFi won't help you crack someone's router, dude :)01:19
eagles0513875lol01:19
eagles0513875its a place i used to work01:19
eagles0513875i set it up01:20
eagles0513875nobody round here knows bout comps01:20
eagles0513875im the comp guru round here01:20
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DexterFapparently now even you else you'd have secures access to that crate somehow01:20
DexterFcant help. reset to factory defaults.01:20
DexterFand don't get caught leeching warez from a company line01:20
eagles0513875everything is at defaults i never changed anything01:20
eagles0513875i dont know what ports r open01:21
eagles0513875cuz on azeureus it still says dht is firewalled01:21
eilkeri had some options to unrar to unzip files, when i do right click, now i lost them, how can i get it again ?01:21
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DexterFyou left that linksys at the default user/pass and can't google for those yourself..?01:21
eagles0513875user and pass i changed01:21
eagles0513875lol sry didnt get what u mean i changed those for security sake01:21
DexterFwell, reset the box and restore the settings.01:22
DexterFthen store admin/pass somewhere safe.01:22
eagles0513875its ok ill live with what i got01:22
DexterFthat is *not on a paper under the keyboard* :D01:22
eagles0513875i know01:22
DexterFjeez this is like the 4th time or so I install kub i still don't like it. all I want is watch a xvid file, that's not too much asked for one would think...01:23
eagles0513875do u know much about wine dex01:23
Ghost75i get this when i try the -f switch to fix adept Type 'deb' is not known on line 35 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list01:23
eagles0513875did u download that xvid pkg01:24
DexterFeagles0513875: i prefer dry white ones, but occasionally i go for french red as well. dpeends.01:24
eagles0513875lol im talking bout the emulator btw01:24
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eagles0513875try the gstreamer xvid pkg in adept manager01:24
DexterFno sh!t? ;D01:24
DexterFi forgot to add multiverse. as usual.01:25
eagles0513875u figureded it out01:25
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DexterFwould be nice if kub asked during install "you want it all? exploding and insulting the fbi and so on? check here."01:25
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DexterFwell, about wine: I use it, so...01:26
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eagles0513875dex u know of any good linux point of sales software01:27
eagles0513875dex or anybody know of any good linux point of sales software01:27
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virus_#ubuntu01:28
virus_please01:28
eagles0513875?01:28
eilkeri had some options to unrar to unzip files, when i do right click, now i lost them, how can i get it again ?01:28
virus_i dont speak english01:28
virus_j en veu un salon ubuntu en francais01:29
DexterFwow. 100% contradiction in three words.01:29
eagles0513875dex point of sale software anyidea whats good01:30
DexterFeagles0513875: you mean like a online shop soft?01:30
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eagles0513875retail01:30
klaus_hey guys, first time on IRC01:30
DexterFyou need to work on your patience01:30
DexterFnope01:30
eagles0513875this is for a grocery store and i would like a linux based one01:30
eagles0513875damn any good places to look01:31
DexterFgoogle? :)01:31
klaus_Synaptic Package Manager01:31
klaus_lol01:31
eagles0513875lol tried they have crap ill try sourceforge01:33
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eagles0513875not online shop soft01:38
eagles0513875u know when u go to kroger the software that business like that use01:38
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jeffalvesHi.01:38
Krisheanhey, anyone know a way to torture-test my machine to check for problems with the hardware?01:39
Krisheanpossibly a program or suite to do it01:39
jeffalvesI can't seem to get Kubuntu Edgy Eft's Amarok to play last.fm streams. Amarok complains about not having a suitable plugin.01:40
DexterFto any of the devs: if i have Adept running over a fwd'ed X I can start another locally and it won't check locks01:40
eagles0513875how do i compile source from tgz arkives01:40
DexterFeagles0513875: i dont have a clue what kroger is01:40
eagles0513875grocery store01:41
eagles0513875dex can i pm01:41
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DexterFno01:41
eagles0513875dex how do i compile source from tgz arkives01:41
JoshooaHow come when I play some mp3s, or some oggs, the sound is all scrambled and stuff like bad Techno?01:41
BluesKajjeffalves, i had the same prob, most streams aren't working ...suggest you install streamtuner01:42
BluesKaj!stremtuner01:42
BluesKajoops01:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about stremtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:42
jeffalvesBluesKaj: but... i like amarok :(01:42
BluesKaj !streamtuner01:42
ubotustreamtuner: A GUI audio stream directory browser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.99-9ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 606 kB, installed size 2160 kB01:42
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BluesKajyou can configure streamtuner to use amarok, jeffalves01:43
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ddwagnzok01:43
ddwagnzright01:43
ddwagnzso uhh01:43
jeffalvesBluesKaj: Okay, thank you.01:43
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BluesKajthere's no real advantage to using amarok tho01:43
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BluesKajxmms is a worthy player too01:44
jeffalvesNo, it's code base is horrible and, at least in my experiences, it crashes a lot.01:44
jeffalvesXMMS2 is worthy, but not being actively updated as fars as I know.01:45
jeffalvesas far as*01:45
ddwagnzi have a NTFS partition, Live CD of 6.06LTS - Kubuntu, and want to get read/write access, without using the ntfs3g thing, i can get read access via umask, but i dont know how to get right access from unmask01:45
JoshooaHow should I go about figuring out why some of my songs don't play right?01:45
DexterFeagles0513875: you need the deb-src tools or whatever their name is. look for kubuntu wikis or so. i don't really know about src in kub, i use slackware. im here by coincidence01:45
DexterFand now off01:45
eagles0513875lol01:46
eagles0513875anyone know how to compile stuff from source tgz files01:46
DexterFBluesKaj, jeffalves : Beep Media Player01:46
BluesKajhmm well, my experience is exactly the opposite ...amarok crashes or freezes much more than xmms does01:46
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eagles0513875!source01:47
ubotuYou can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html01:47
eagles0513875!compiling source01:47
ddwagnz!unmask01:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about unmask - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:47
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about makefile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:47
ddwagnz!umask01:47
Joshooapsh01:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:47
Joshooa!compile01:47
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)01:47
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dsmithwhats wrong with amarok?01:47
eagles0513875i love amarok01:47
dsmithi hav eyet to have any single issue with it01:48
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dsmithit just works01:48
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dsmithbetter then winamp ever did01:48
eagles0513875dsmith u know how to compile stuff from source tgz arkives01:48
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dsmithi have done it once or twice before01:48
ddwagnz!sudocopy01:48
dsmithbut I dont have my notes in front of me01:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sudocopy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:48
ddwagnz!sudo_copy01:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sudo_copy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:48
eagles0513875what command do i use d01:49
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ddwagnzshit01:49
ddwagnzwahts the command to copy things on sudo?01:49
dsmithlook on google01:49
dsmith:)01:49
ddwagnz=/01:49
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dsmithseriously I have learned alot from reading with google searches01:50
ddwagnzyeah well google can be a bitch sometimes ^_^01:51
BluesKajdsmith, agreed but there's alotta chaff that has relavence on google results , lately .01:51
dsmithI know01:51
dasickissorry I was out for a bit01:51
HaSHddwagnz, i would imgine it would be the same way you do as a user.01:51
dsmithwhich entails me to use trial and learn basis01:51
dasickisbut I tried to get the Nvidia kernels and it didn't work01:51
BluesKajlittle or no , i meant to addd01:51
ddwagnzHaSH, which issssss01:51
dasickisit gave me unusual error01:51
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HaSH*cough* cp *cough*01:51
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eilker!vnc01:52
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX01:52
ddwagnzso it would be like sudo cp /file /location ?01:52
HaSHddwagnz, yesum01:52
eilker can we start a program etc. at remote desktop  via vnc ?01:52
ddwagnzk bbl01:53
eagles0513875anyone help me compile source code01:53
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eilker!make01:53
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)01:53
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hacked_kernelI've 15'' laptop screen with native resolution 1024x768, can I change it to a higher resolution?01:54
dasickishacked_kernel: edit the Xorg.conf01:54
eilkeranyone makes with me remote desktop connection ? i wonder it...01:54
hacked_kerneldasickis: I did but nothing changes01:55
dsmithhacked_kernel: check your video card manufacturer01:57
dsmithhacked_kernel: and se what its max. res. is, then perhaps you should update your drivers?01:57
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tarnoldhey i plug in headphones but nothing happens how do i listen to music and videos through the headphones02:05
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c0nv1ctdoes it work through speakers?02:09
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cpetzol2Hello, I dont know if it is just a really wierd coincidence, but I have tried installing the broadcom wireless drivers twice, and each time I reboot, Kubuntu hangs mid boot, and I can find no other way to fix it other than reinstalling Kubuntu completely.02:21
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eagles0513875how can i reencode videos02:22
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adydasKRDC will connect to a running windows RDP machine eh?02:23
cpetzol2When I boot Kubuntu normally, the little progress bar makes it no further than 10%, and if I boot in recovery mode, there are a couple of lines about my new bcm43xx drivers, and then two lines that say "[37.275740]    <fffffffffff8026652>{child_rip+0}" and then it just sits there and does nothing further02:24
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inanimateIn Feisty, a ThinkPad's buttons work very nicely out of the box, however is there any way to configure them?02:26
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orient2000I have Radeon 9700 Pro card and there is no way to install drovers for X11. Anybody has this card working and can watch TV or anything?02:28
inanimateFor instance, Fn+F4 is sleep, but I'm wondering if I can allow Fn+F2 to lock the screen, and I can't find a config file...02:28
eagles0513875ati give shit drivers02:28
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orient2000Is there any chip capture card working in Kubuntu. I do not play games.02:29
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surgywhen i right click on a folder and then click sharing and then configure filesharing and then give it my root pw everything is greyed out. then when i click the tab "sharing" and click on "start applet" it says "failed to start" can someone help?02:32
orient2000I think I will hang my TV with a rope over my computer and lower it down to wach TV. It will be my ATI driver partial replasement.02:33
eilkeranyone using audacity ?02:33
orient2000I do02:33
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orient2000what is a problem with audacity?02:34
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surgy!sharing02:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sharing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:35
surgy!filesharing02:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about filesharing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:35
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eilkerorient2000: i have no text in menu02:38
eilkerorient2000: kubuntu 6.10 here, what about you ?02:38
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jeffalvesUgh. I just want to be able to use Amarok again.02:39
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compilerwriterHaSH: is fluxbox now my default xterm?02:40
surgyjeffalves: your problem?02:40
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sinisterguyhow do you set the things that autostart when you login like in sessions in the gnome-control-panel?02:42
luis_hola02:43
luis_como va la cosa02:43
compilerwriter!es | luis02:43
ubotuluis: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.02:43
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surgy when i right click on a folder and then click sharing and then configure filesharing and then give it my root pw everything is greyed out. then when i click the tab "sharing" and click on "start applet" it says "failed to start" can someone help?02:44
desi007is there a program like shut down timer that I can install which can shutdown my pc when I want to02:44
inanimatedesi007: ktimer02:45
inanimatedesi007: Or kalarm... Something like that.02:45
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jeffalvessurgy: I entered it in a while ago, let me go dig it up through my logs.02:45
jeffalvesI can't seem to get Kubuntu Edgy Eft's Amarok to play last.fm streams. Amarok complains about not having a suitable plugin.02:45
surgyjeffalves: i cant help sorry..... do you know how to share a file over the network?02:46
jeffalvesAll the other workarounds seem to be very unattractive. I have it working fine on a Gentoo build of Amarok (admittedly with custom USE flags)02:46
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tarnoldhey all how do get headphones to work with amarok?02:47
jeffalvessurgy: What kind of network are we talking? You have to be waaay more specific. What kind of machines are on the network? What kind of programs are installed on the machines? etc. etc.02:47
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surgyjeffalves: they are all base kubuntu installs and i whould like to do all the sharing through samba if possible, ant its a regular lan setup 2 switches 1 router 4 computers02:49
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jeffalvessurgy: You could set up Samba on one machine which would act as a fileserver.02:50
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compilerwriter!gdm02:50
ubotugdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu4.1 (edgy), package size 1687 kB, installed size 12300 kB02:50
surgyjeffalves: i was under the impression i could just right click a file and enable it as shared and then browse by ip02:51
jeffalvesYou know that you can private message ubotu right?02:51
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jeffalvessurgy: Oh no. You definitely need to read up on Samba then.02:51
surgyjeffalves: allright let me dig out a link then02:52
surgy!samba02:52
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT02:52
surgythose seam to be for windows though02:52
surgysharing with windows*02:52
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compilerwriterl02:53
eilkeri have problem with amarok, it keeps updating db, when i try to open it, and closes itself02:53
surgylooks like google is my friend then02:53
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surgyjeffalves: whats this applet it trys to start when i click the "load applet" button?02:54
surgyjeffalves: and why wont it load?02:54
EA8AJCAdept is a very complicate tool02:55
jeffalvessurgy: I have no clue what you're talking about.02:55
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jeffalvessurgy: "Can you help me figure out my problem? I've got this thing that's doing something weird and I don't know what to do." is what I'm hearing ;)02:56
orient2000what do you mean by no text in audacity? You must load file, select area or all and then the text will be there.02:56
surgyjeffalves: if your running kubuntu now right click a file >> properties >> sharing >> start applet02:56
surgyjeffalves: sorry im trying to be clear, i still have a lot to learn about linux networking02:57
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jeffalvessurgy: You mean Konqueror?02:58
jeffalvessurgy: There's no "Kubuntu" 'File >> Properties >> Sharing >> Start Applet'02:58
surgyjeffalves: no, i mean right click a folder (any folder) and then click properties and then click sharing, and then click start applet02:59
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sparrits dist-upgrade time...  1743 upgraded, 92 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.03:00
surgyjeffalves: see what i mean?03:01
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jeffalvessurgy: Okay, that automatically means you are using the default file browser on KDE - Konqueror. Just clarifying everything so that it's not as discombobulated as it once was.03:05
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surgyjeffalves: yeah i said that..... sorry again for not being clear, i said "kubuntu base install" as in all computers are using the defualt software that comes with a basic install from a live cd, except for a few exceptions, but they all still contain the original software03:06
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jeffalvessurgy: I did the following. KMenu -> Internet -> Konqueror -> Home Folder. Right clicked on a directory called 'test' -> clicked Properties -> clicked Share -> clicked Configure File Sharing -> entered my password.03:07
jeffalvessurgy: Did you at least get that far?03:08
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surgyjeffalves: yes but as i said, it is all greyed out and i cannot change anything, even after entering my password03:08
jeffalvessurgy: That's most likely because you don't have Samba installed and/or properly configured.03:08
MrMuffinive spent about 2 hours trying to get kubuntu installed on my geforce 8800 gtx with no results, anyone got any tips?03:09
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Just getting it installed?! o_O03:09
MrMuffinwell, its installed, but wont boot to KDE03:10
surgyjeffalves: allright, but i have successfully used samba to share folders with a windows machine so i know its installe03:10
MrMuffinthe liveCD dumped me to a command prompt becuase the 'nv' driver doesnt support the 8800 series03:10
MrMuffinso i used the command prompt to edit xorg.conf to use the 'vesa' driver, that got me to KDE and allowed me to install03:10
jeffalvessurgy: Is it running?03:10
jeffalvessurgy: Sorry, more precisely, is Samba running?03:11
MrMuffinit installed fine, but when it goes to load kde/x-server or whatever, my monitor tells me no signal and just sits there03:11
MrMuffini can boot to recovery mode just fine03:11
surgyjeffalves: does it have a different process name other than "samba" ?03:11
surgy!fixxorge03:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fixxorge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:12
MrMuffini used that to perform a full update, installed nvidia-glx which is *supposed* to support my card, but when booting using that driver ('nvidia') in xorg.conf, it freezes at a black screen with a cursor03:12
MrMuffinso 'vesa' driver gives me no signal and 'nvidia' freezes the boot process03:12
MrMuffinnot sure where to go from here...03:12
surgyreconfigure xorg?03:12
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Ah, that blows. Well, you could try burning an "Alternate CD" (not to be confused with the term 'another CD' - there are three flavors of Ubuntu (alternate, desktop, server))03:12
MrMuffinhmm, ill look into the alternate cd03:13
jeffalvesMrMuffin: If you get the Server CD, you'll have to install everything from the command line (it's just an ncurses dialog box guided installation - relatively simple)03:13
MrMuffini could do that, but what would be the benefit03:13
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Then you get to choose which you want, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, or Xubuntu.03:13
chavojeffalves, he already got it installed03:13
MrMuffinit appears to be installed properly03:13
MrMuffini can access everything in the command prompt03:13
surgyjeffalves: do you know if samba has another process name other than "samba" ?03:14
MrMuffinand used apt-get to do a full distro update with success03:14
jeffalvessurgy: smbd and nmbd.03:14
MrMuffini can work with it just fine in recovery mode. but when i boot normally or do /etc/init.d/kdm start it freezes or does no signal depending on my driver03:14
MrMuffinim not sure what reinstalling using another cd would do to help me03:14
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surgyjeffalves: its not running for somereason03:15
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Hmm, so there is an alternative I guess. You could try creating a custom kernel and hoping that the latest vanilla sources (or does Ubuntu patch the source kernel packages like other distributions do?) will work03:15
jeffalvessurgy: There you go then. sudo /etc/init.d/samba start03:15
MrMuffini didnt want to have to patch the kernel, bleh03:15
jeffalvesMrMuffin: I'm sorry, ignore the CD part, but it's still good to know.03:15
MrMuffinim 100% new to linux but im trying to learn it03:16
jeffalvesMrMuffin: But the kernel thing may be your only option if hardware support is an issue.03:16
MrMuffinsurgy, what do you mean reconfigure xserver, in what way?03:16
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Wow, you've certainly made quite a bit of progress already then :)03:16
chavoMrMuffin, which version did you install?03:16
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Ubuntu has an older kernel and it's possible that a newer kernel may have support for your graphics card.03:16
hacked_kernelI installed 915resolution and now I can get 1280x1024 resolution but its not adopted with the screen, I've to move the mouse to the extreme left or down to view the rest of the screen, any help??03:16
surgymrmuffin: umm  i forgot, something along the lines of dpkx X11/xorg.conf --configure?03:17
MrMuffinwouldnt the full distro update i just did have updated the lasted version of everything?03:17
surgyjeffalves: sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found                    that means its not installed?03:17
MrMuffinincluding the latest kernel and xserver?03:17
MrMuffinchavo, not sure, whatever the latest .deb was that apt-get snagged03:17
jeffalvesMrMuffin: No, Ubuntu itself has an outdated kernel. As in every person who runs it is using 2.6.17 to the best of my knowledge.03:17
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chavoMrMuffin, is it 6.10?03:17
jeffalvessurgy: .... yeah.03:17
MrMuffinyeah its kubuntu 6.1003:17
jeffalvessurgy: Are you sure you setup Samba on that machine?03:17
MrMuffinjeffalves, yeah i think the update made the kernel 2.6.17-11 or something, from -1003:18
chavoMrMuffin, afaik the nvidia drivers in 6.10 won't support that card03:18
surgyjeffalves: i never did but i used "smb:// [the persons ip] " to access samba shares on this machine before03:18
chavoMrMuffin, it has nothing to do with th kernel03:18
jeffalvessurgy: That's because you were doing client side.03:18
surgyjeffalves: ahhh. ok then samba is in the repos i imagine?03:19
MrMuffinchavo, i did some forum reading before i came here and i THOUGHT that getting the latest nvidia-glx (proprietary nvidia drivers) would work03:19
MrMuffincuase yeah, the opensource nv drivers that come with it do not work03:19
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Linux already is at 2.6.21-rc303:19
chavoMrMuffin, are you on the machine now?03:19
MrMuffinjeffalves, is that what's going to be included in the new version of k/ubuntu to be released in april?03:19
MrMuffinchavo, i am on the machine, its dual boot with XP03:19
jeffalvesMrMuffin: I'm not positive, but it better be at least 2.6.19.03:19
MrMuffinmy g/f is on my laptop03:19
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Oh boy, then please explain to her that this is not the norm for Linux for us all :)03:20
chavoMrMuffin, you can try getting the latest driver from nvidia.com and building it yourself03:20
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Which is exactly why you're better off just creating your own custom kernel -- it's a good learning experience, but may be way more than you want to learn in a matter of hours03:21
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jeffalvesMrMuffin: If you want to make a handy Debian package out of it, use checkinstall.03:21
kgxis there a good bittorrent client that can be accessed from the command line? i need one so i can control it through ssh03:21
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MrMuffinbittornado is python and has an ncurses interface03:22
jeffalveskgx: ctorrent is a bit old, but it works. rtorrent as well.03:22
MrMuffinit monitors a directory for torrents and starts them automatically03:22
MrMuffinnever tried rtorrent03:22
chavoMrMuffin, is your install x86?03:22
MrMuffin6403:22
MrMuffinshould i even try 32?03:23
jeffalvesMrMuffin: For being new to Linux, you sure have learned a lot already :) Good to see non-n00bs picking up Kubuntu :)03:23
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kgxta03:23
chavoMrMuffin, it's up to you but you will have a hard time getting some things to work03:23
MrMuffinjeffalves, other technical experience has helped me along the way. i tried suse 10.2 but it struck em as rather bloated03:23
chavosuch as flash03:24
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Hehe, I'd argue Ubuntu is bloated but then I'd get flamed :P It's nice if you want something hassle-free though.03:24
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chavohe said bloated03:24
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Though I'm sure it's going to take a bit of convincing to get you to see that it isn't always this screwy :P03:24
surgyawsome thnx jeffalves03:24
jeffalvessurgy: Everything works now?03:25
MrMuffinjeffalves, oh no, its been great so far compared to vista03:25
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MrMuffinmy 8800 gtx doesnt work at all with vista03:25
MrMuffinthe craptastic drivers nvidia put out BSOD on startup03:25
MrMuffinand no its not a software or hardware issue, im not the only one. im part of an 8 page thread on the nvidia forums about it03:26
MrMuffinit has something to do with m Xerox monitor03:26
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jeffalvesMrMuffin: hahaha, "Your system will now BSOD. Would you like to accept or deny?"03:26
MrMuffini know right03:26
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MrMuffinits pretty crapped to spend 1500$ on a new rig only to have it not work03:27
MrMuffinbut yeah it took us 8 pages of posts to figure out that our only common piece of hardware was our monitors03:27
jeffalvesSeriously. But I guess that's the price you pay for getting somewhat cutting edge hardware.03:27
MrMuffindunno what about this particular one makes the nvidia driver go blam03:27
MrMuffindoesnt get more cutting edge than the 8800 gtx, but yeah i guess03:27
jeffalvesMrMuffin: If I were you, I'd get a quick Gentoo installation on a similar setup (at least the same architecture) and create a Debian package out of the latest kernel.03:28
MrMuffinalthough i would say theres some sort of reasonable expectation of it working as advertised03:28
MrMuffin"vista certified" my ass03:28
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Then port the package over to your Kubuntu machine and dpkg -i it.03:28
kgxmanaged to find a command line one: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/ConsoleUI03:29
kgxsweet :D03:29
jeffalveskgx: giFT is quite nice as well03:29
jeffalveskgx: just apt-cache search torrent03:29
MrMuffinso yeah, linux is working better for me thank vista03:29
MrMuffinhow hilarious is that03:29
jeffalvesGood to hear :)03:29
MrMuffini did install vista on my gf's HP, it worked fine, although it really is irritating as hell, even after disabling UAC (accept or deny)03:30
MrMuffinchavo sent me an interesting link03:30
MrMuffinlet me boot to kubuntu and try it03:30
MrMuffingod willing, ill be back03:30
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jeffalves<obligatory WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW />03:32
surgyjeffalves: like a charm.... THANKS!03:32
coreymon77well its his fault for installing vista03:32
jeffalvessurgy: No problem.03:33
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mili cant access the cmd line by using ctrl alt f#    // the screen just freezes like it cant show the terminal - mouse/clock stops moving til i hit ctrl alt f7 to get back -- any idea how to get to cmd line?03:34
milim running ubuntu using vmserver03:35
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jeffalvesOh, right, I totally forgot why *I* was in here.03:36
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jeffalvesI can't seem to get Kubuntu Edgy Eft's Amarok to play last.fm streams. Amarok complains about not having a suitable plugin.03:36
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matt____I downloaded my graphic card drivers but I cant figure out how to install them03:41
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MrMuffini made it back alive03:43
MrMuffinand im using Konversation on kubuntu thanks to chavo03:43
jeffalvesAwesome, as root as well ;)03:43
MrMuffinhe gave me a link to the official nvidia driver on their website, to replace the one from the nvidia-glx package03:44
MrMuffinworks fine from what i can tell03:44
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jeffalvesMmm, well if you are running as root, I'd highly recommend against doing that.03:45
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jeffalvesYou're falling into the same pitfall that Windows users have.03:45
MrMuffinoh no i know03:45
MrMuffini just got excited that its even working and jumped on konversation03:45
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MrMuffinlet me get into the terminal and create a new user03:45
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matt____I need a little help installing my graphics drivers, I am getting this message : ERROR: nvidia-installer must be run as root03:46
firecrotchWell, since ubuntu-server isn't answering my question, I suppose I will ask here03:46
MrMuffinmatt try placing sudo in front of teh command03:46
MrMuffinmy advice may suck03:46
firecrotchI'm running a web server, and for some reason, perl scripts are not working at all, it's just popping up the Download dialog03:47
firecrotchany clue why?03:47
matt____I got the same error when I put sudo in front of it03:47
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MrMuffinid already created a non-su account during installation but i was just root becuase i installed the driver (and loaded kde) in recovery mode03:49
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winmutthi03:50
MrMuffinbleh i cant believe ubuntu doesnt come with firefox03:50
MrMuffinwhat a disgrace03:50
MrMuffin;-)03:50
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firecrotchHi, winmutt03:50
EmeraldWhen I try and load the LiveCD, it will load with the Kubuntu logo with the bar and such, the bar will fill and I'm taken to a blue screen with a cursor. I can move the cursor, but nothing happens. I tried waiting 5 hours. Nothing. I tried burning another CD, twice, and a DVD 3 times. I tried downloading them again, to no avail. The alternate install CD won't be loaded as a Bootdisk, so I can't use that...03:50
winmuttim having problems with screen rez above 1024x768 over dvi03:50
EmeraldSo my question is: Is my problem most likely hardware related?03:51
MrMuffinprobably03:51
MrMuffinwhats your hw03:51
winmuttMrMuffin: konquerer is kde's web browser03:51
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winmuttwhy would it come with ff?03:51
MrMuffinwinmutt, im aware it is. becuase it's firefox. its the shit03:51
MrMuffin;-)03:51
deathnote!mknod03:51
winmuttff is not the shit03:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mknod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:51
winmuttff is a memory leak03:52
MrMuffinoh lord youre one of those03:52
winmuttno03:52
winmuttit is a memory leak03:52
EmeraldLemme get ym specs03:52
Emerald*me03:52
MrMuffinim conceding now so i can go to bed at a decent hour03:52
MrMuffingoodnight all, and thanks to those that helped me03:52
winmuttMrMuffin: there are handful of open ff bugs regarding memory leakage03:52
jeffalvesMrMuffin: Goodnight. Enjoy Linux.03:52
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winmuttforget about the fact it doesnt even clear out its own memory cache03:53
EmeraldAMD Athlon 4000+, 1 GB of DDR RAM, NVidia 7800 GT, Creative Sound Blaster Value 2, and a MSI k8n Platnum Mobo03:53
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jeffalvesI agree with winmutt :) Opera > Firefox if you don't need obscure Firefox plug-ins.03:53
EmeraldNight MrMuffin03:53
winmuttbah03:53
winmutti use ff all day03:53
winmutthave to restart atleast 3x to free up memory03:53
robert__anyone good with WPA setups?03:53
winmuttassuming it doesnt lock at some point03:53
MrMuffinyou see how he keeps going after no one is arguing with him. thats what makes him "one of those". and i totally agree about opera03:53
MrMuffinbut its not foss so i wouldnt expect it to be included03:53
winmuttno muffin03:53
winmuttthat makes you one of "those"03:54
winmuttlol03:54
indygoWhere can I find a good website to learn how to use kubuntu linux.  I just switched from windows (^-^ )03:54
jeffalvesMrMuffin: I believe in using the best tool for the job. If that means using Windows, I'm fine with that too.03:54
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MrMuffinwow, that sure was clever. thansk for showing me03:54
jeffalvesindygo: Google, ubuntuguide.org, ubuntuforums, et al.03:54
winmuttMrMuffin: you can learn alot from a dummy03:54
indygoThanks so much!03:54
robert__anyone here know anything about KWallet and KNetworkManager?03:54
voidmage!kwallet03:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:54
jeffalvesrobert__: Ask your question. We all probably know of it, but don't know what you want to do with them.03:55
winmuttanyways any rez above 1024x768 my screen goes wack. I've checked my hor and vert and they are all inline with whats in there03:55
jeffalvess/it/them03:55
EmeraldAnyway, I can load Gentoo, so I'm pretty sure that my hardware's good from a Linux standpoint03:55
winmuttany suggestions on where to go?03:55
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jeffalvesEmerald: Then again, Gentoo is running a much newer kernel than stock Ubuntu.03:55
matt____alright I am getting a new error message while installing my graphic cards drivers03:55
voidmage!networkmanager03:55
matt____ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file03:55
matt____       '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find03:55
ubotunetworkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager03:55
matt____       suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available03:55
matt____       on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com.03:55
jeffalvesPlease use a pastebin next time.03:55
winmuttmatteo: thats horribly uncouth03:55
winmutter03:56
winmuttmatt____03:56
matt____sorry03:56
robert__OK... i've already RTFM'd at the forums and no help there... I got WPA to work with my laptop, BUT, when I reboot, KNetworkManager and KWallet nag me for the passwords EVERY time. No help on Ubuntu/Kubuntu forums...03:56
winmuttjeffalves : i dont suppose you could drop me a nugget03:56
c0nv1ctwhats the error in the log? (dont paste it all)03:56
Emeraldjeffalves: Ah, okay03:56
winmuttrobert__: that mae be more of a kde issue03:56
matt____thats the question I have I guess, how do I get to the log03:56
jeffalveswinmutt: A what..?03:56
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jeffalvesmatt____: Upload to a pastebin.03:56
winmuttjeffalves: a nugget a crumb.... on X res03:56
jeffalvesI actually have to go home now. I've been 'working' for the past two hours ;)03:57
jeffalvesDon't get paid for it so might as well relax at home.03:57
winmuttsigh03:57
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matt____what is a pastebin03:57
winmuttpastebin.ca03:57
EmeraldCould my problem be my video card?03:58
matt____I see03:58
matt____How do I get into the nvidia-installer.log03:58
winmuttlocate filename03:58
indygoHow can I unmount my windows drive to resize it?03:59
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c0nv1ctumount /dev/devicename04:01
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c0nv1ctyou plan on resizing it from within linux?04:02
c0nv1cttoo risky IMO, resize it from within windows04:02
coreymon77c0nv1ct: why, qtparted is perfectly safe04:04
coreymon77now guys04:04
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coreymon77if something is open of desktop 204:04
indygosorry I took so long, I was looking at the guide for a minute.  Yeah, I'd like to resize from linux, just to be quicker, but what could happen if I didn't do it in windows?04:05
coreymon77i want it only to appear on the taskbar when desktop 2 is active04:05
_Daisuke_Ido_coreymon77: so was the hindenburg.  also the titanic was unsinkable04:05
coreymon77where do i find that option?04:05
_Daisuke_Ido_in other words, expect the worst from things like that04:05
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coreymon77_Daisuke_Ido_: ive used qtparted to resize my windoze partition many times04:05
_Daisuke_Ido_vfat?04:05
c0nv1ctyeah, i agree with _Daisuke_Ido_, just to be safe i do it with MMC04:06
c0nv1ctespecially if you dont want to chance losing data04:06
slyfoxCan someone pelase help me with Krone ? I am trying to set up a backup script, the script works fine, however when I point Kroen to it, it tells me that it cannot find program. ???04:06
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_Daisuke_Ido_coreymon77: run kcontrol04:06
_Daisuke_Ido_and under desktop/taskbar04:06
_Daisuke_Ido_sorry, thinking and typing at the same time...04:06
c0nv1ctcoreymon77: are u using beryl?04:06
_Daisuke_Ido_uncheck "show windows from all desktops"04:07
coreymon77foiund it04:07
coreymon77no04:07
mili cant access the cmd line by using ctrl alt f#    // the screen just freezes like it cant show the terminal - mouse/clock stops moving til i hit ctrl alt f7 to get back -- any idea how to get to cmd line?04:07
_Daisuke_Ido_i still can't get beryl working :\04:07
matt____I am getting an error that I am running an X server while trying to installer my graphic card drivers. I only have this and terminal open along with firefox, would any of those cause this?04:07
_Daisuke_Ido_not with any degree of decency, anyway04:07
_Daisuke_Ido_yes, yes it would.04:07
_Daisuke_Ido_you're still in X04:08
c0nv1ctyou cant install graphics drivers while X is running04:08
indygoHmm, umount /dev/devicename returns only root can resize.  How do I make myself root?04:08
matt____How do I close X?04:08
c0nv1ctctrl+alt+f1, type /etc/init.d/gdm stop04:08
c0nv1ctor kdm stop04:08
c0nv1cttype it after you log in, of course04:08
matt____alright04:09
c0nv1ctmil: are you running it inside vmware?04:09
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slyfoxCan someone help me with Cron ?04:12
c0nv1ctslyfox: http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html04:13
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carambolamy wireless module is loaded, but iwconfig does not show the card04:14
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poningrucarambola: what about system->admin->network04:16
indygoHey, after I press ctrl+alt+f1, what do I type/press to get out of that?04:16
carambolait shows wlan0 being a wired connection, not wireless04:16
poningru0.o04:16
carambolaindygo: ctrl-alt-f704:16
poningruindygo: ctrl+alt+f704:16
coreymon77carambola: have you ran the iwconfig command?04:16
carambolacoreymon77: yeah, no wireless devices there04:16
indygoOh, I see :D thanks :)04:17
coreymon77carambola: what is your wireless cards interface called?04:17
coreymon77interface what?04:17
carambolai just updated some other stuff, but none of the packages should have affected wireless04:17
indygoWhat is it I type again to make myself root?04:17
indygoI had to turn off my compy lol04:17
coreymon77carambola: interface what?04:17
carambolai think it's usually eth104:17
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coreymon77yours is eht1?04:17
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carambola(it's my first time in linux for over a year... things are rusty)04:18
coreymon77okay them04:18
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coreymon77does your network have a wep key?04:18
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carambolayeah, but when i open the properties of wlan0 (in network settings), there are no wireless settings04:19
coreymon77wait04:19
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coreymon77is it wlan0 or eht104:19
coreymon77which one is your card using?04:19
carambolanetwork settings says wlan0, but iirc, it used to be eth1 when it worked04:20
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ahlalo_elyonI'm having a problem.  Whenever I use the Logout menu to "Lock this session and start a new one" the system completely locks up when the monitor goes into powersave mode.  The only way to get back into Kubuntu is to do a hard reset (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does nothing).  Anyone have any ideas?04:20
coreymon77carambola: okay then, try this04:20
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coreymon77carambola: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid [your essid]  key [your wep key] 04:21
coreymon77and isnt your internet working anyways04:21
desi007plz suggest any shutdon timer that I can install04:22
carambolagot two laptops on my lap :)04:22
desi007shutdown*04:22
desi007carambola: whats in between :)04:22
coreymon77carambola: okay then, try that command04:22
coreymon77desi007: you have a sick mind04:22
carambola"error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device eth1 ; no suck device"04:22
coreymon77okay then04:22
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coreymon77try it with wlan004:22
carambolasame problem04:23
coreymon77whats the card04:23
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hans_hhi everybody..04:24
coreymon77carambola: what card are you using?04:24
carambolai've seen iwconfig with an unconfigured card before... there's usually a few lines in there about signal strength and access point, etc... there is none of that there now04:24
carambolaorinoco module04:24
carambolait was working before the package update04:24
coreymon77just tell me the darn card04:24
carambolait's embedded. prism II, i think04:24
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coreymon77usb?04:25
carambolano, embedded. internal.04:26
EmeraldOkay, let me try this again: When I try and load the LiveCD, it will load with the Kubuntu logo with the bar and such, the bar will fill and I'm taken to a blue screen with a cursor. I can move the cursor, but nothing happens. I tried waiting 5 hours. Nothing. I tried burning another CD, twice, and a DVD 3 times. I tried downloading them again, to no avail. The alternate install CD won't be loaded as a Bootdisk. Does anyone know what the 04:26
coreymon77carambola: okay, heres the problem04:27
coreymon77carambola: you are using the wrong driver04:27
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coreymon77carambola: type this , sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist04:28
coreymon77carambola: check in the pm that i am opening with you, as to not flood the channel04:29
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ubuntuwhats a good size for a swap partition?04:30
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carambolawhy would i want to blacklist those?04:30
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coreymon77carambola: they are the wrong drivers04:30
coreymon77carambola: you do not want to be using the orinoco ones04:30
Ashexubuntu, normally double your ram04:31
coreymon77carambola: you want to use the hostap ones04:31
Ashexso if you have 1GB of ram, at least 2GB is safe04:31
coreymon77carambola: look for yourself04:31
coreymon77carambola: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/IntersilPrism25Wavelan?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%2904:31
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AshexActually scratch that, I'm thinking windows for some obscure reason04:31
Ashex5-15GB depending on drive size04:32
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sebrhey kids04:34
sebr:)04:34
indygoOkay, I have my windows drive resized, do I need to umount my linux drive to resize it and take the free space?04:34
sebri'm not sure why, but my monitor keeps flashing, with a widescreen configuration04:35
ubuntuAshex i dont understand ext3 logical drives etc - i setup 1 partition to have 75gbs - but i think i gonna have to resize it to 70 gb and make a 5gb swap04:35
Ashexubuntu, the swap partition is used when you run out of ram04:35
Ashexit's the equivelant of a page file in windows04:35
ubuntuits a laptop - c2d 2.16ghz / 2gb ram ddr2 667mhz / 7900gs / 100gb hd 7200rpm04:36
Ashexso, you just need one ext3 partition and then a swap partition04:36
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ubuntuwhat does that even mean ext3 = extension 3?04:36
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c0nv1ctya, extended filesystem04:37
c0nv1ctnumber 3 :P04:38
indygo(sorry to butt in) should I umount my linux drive so I can resize it to get the extra space?04:38
ubuntuits a fresh drive - jus want to leave 20gbs for xp (dual boot04:38
c0nv1ctindygo: i'm pretty sure the filesystem cant be mounted before u can modify it04:39
carambolacoreymon77: thanks! all better04:39
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indygoc0nv1ct: Oh, I see.  QTparted isn't letting me resize the drive to take the free space...04:40
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slyfoxDoes Cron work with #!/bin/sh  scripts ?04:44
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indygoc0nv1ct:Sorry, I don't know if you answered me or not, right after I typed that last message, my computer lagged for about 20 seconds.  Do you know how to fix that?04:44
indygothe resizing, not the lag :D04:44
coreymon77carambola: no problem04:45
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c0nv1ctindygo: what were u asking?04:45
ahlalo_elyonI'm having a problem.  Whenever I use the Logout menu to "Lock this session and start a new one" the system completely locks up when the monitor goes into powersave mode.  The only way to get back into Kubuntu is to do a hard reset (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does nothing).  Anyone have any ideas?04:45
c0nv1ctindygo: you unmounted the drive and it wouldnt let u resize?04:46
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indygoc0nv1ct: no, I resized the windows drive, but I can't put the free space on the linux drive...04:46
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c0nv1ctindygo: did you unmount the linux drive before attempting to resize it?04:47
jryhiggins!nvidia04:47
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:47
indygonope, I thought someone said not to :D04:48
indygois that how I fix it?04:48
c0nv1ctno, you need to04:48
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indygothanks a lot c0nv1ct :P04:48
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c0nv1ctthat working for ya now?04:48
indygonope, it says device is busy...04:49
c0nv1ctumount it, should work04:49
indygodo I still use umount /dev/devicename?04:49
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c0nv1ctunless its your '/' then you probably have to do it from a Live CD04:49
c0nv1ctyeah umount /dev/hda or whatever04:49
JoshooaWhat should I do to make Kaffiene play my songs right, some MP3s and some Oggs sound like bad techno and wont play all the way, some others just wont open at all04:50
c0nv1ctuse Amarok? :P04:50
c0nv1cti dunno, never used Kaffiene for music04:50
JoshooaBut if it's a codec problem it wont matter04:50
indygoits still saying that the device is busy...04:50
JoshooaBut, where do I get Amarok, I heard it's really good04:50
c0nv1ctyeah Amarok rules, its in the repos04:51
Joshooaok04:51
c0nv1ctindygo: what filesystem is it?04:51
stdinamarok is installed by default in kubuntu04:51
c0nv1ctwhere is it mounted i mean04:51
JoshooaOh, yeah it is, thanks stdin04:51
c0nv1ctif it contains your kernel, you cant unmount it04:51
indygoits /dev/sda104:52
c0nv1ctis it mounted to '/' ?04:52
indygoumm, I don't really know, how do I check?04:52
c0nv1ct'df' will tell you04:52
c0nv1ctwhat does the 'df' command say for /dev/sda1 ?04:54
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indygomounted on /dev104:54
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c0nv1ctweird place to be mounted..04:55
indygo /dev *04:55
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c0nv1ctare u sure?04:55
c0nv1ctcuz 'udev' should be mounted to /dev04:55
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indygoread it wrong the first time it is on /dev lol sorry :D04:56
ctwI am having issues setting up a dual screen system in Ubuntu ... it worked in Dapper, but broke in Edgy, and still doesn't work in Feisty ... I currently have 2 X-servers running, but that means I can't drag windows between the screens04:56
ctwwhenever I try to enable xinerama, I get weired display artifacts04:56
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ctwdoes anybody have any idea?04:56
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intelikeywho's the joker in this deck, by heck ?04:57
intelikeyoh sorry.04:58
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jryhigginshi04:58
jryhiggins!xorg04:58
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto04:58
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posingaspopular!flash04:58
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:58
jryhigginshow do i reconfigure xorg.conf?04:58
ubotuFlash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash04:58
c0nv1ctindygo: it cant be mounted to /dev04:58
jryhigginsdpkg xorg.conf reconfigure?04:58
stdin!xconfig | jryhiggins04:58
ubotujryhiggins: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes04:58
Mr_Sonomahas anyone had any problems with their savage ix video card. i cant get my resolution set beyond 640 by 48004:59
intelikeyjryhiggins sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto04:59
stdinindygo: this command should tell you your root device: mount | grep " / "04:59
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c0nv1cthes trying to resize /dev/sda104:59
fizzbaneI am trying to add windows to grub. I edited the grub menu and it looks like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9172/ . I click windows xp on the grud menu and i get "Error1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist."04:59
c0nv1cti think its his root, cuz it wont let him umount it04:59
intelikey-phigh on a reconfigure ???   that's obserd.05:00
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intelikeythat's obtuse05:00
intelikeythat's05:00
intelikeythat's misspelled05:00
intelikeynm05:00
stdinc0nv1ct: it should be done from a live cd then05:00
JoshooaSo yeah, even Amarok wont recognize most of my music, any ideas?05:01
indygookay, root is on / , not /dev05:01
c0nv1ctyeah05:01
JoshooaLike I have all of Bloodhound gang, and it's all oggs, and out of all their albums, only like 5 are recognized.05:01
c0nv1ctthen u gotta use a live cd bro05:01
jryhigginsim getting an error on startx. "no screens found" even though i just reconfigured xorg05:01
c0nv1ctindygo: how much space are you adding?05:01
Parkotronfizzbane: Where'd the "[/b] " come from?05:01
c0nv1ctthere may be another way that'll be easier05:02
indygo83 gb05:02
intelikeyjryhiggins so reconf again.   until you get every thing correct.05:02
c0nv1ctand whats your total in / as of now?05:02
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c0nv1ct'df -H' will show, if ya dont know05:02
indygo7.23 gb05:02
c0nv1ctwell05:02
posingaspopularhow do you install flash on a live cd? im confused by the documentation05:03
fizzbanefrom this guide http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/19644-how-add-windows-2k-xp-grub.html05:03
stdinjryhiggins: you may want to run the command without -phigh if you used it last time, to completely rewrite the config05:03
jryhigginsintelikey: thnx i whould copy/paste xorg but im on irssi :)05:03
c0nv1ctyou could create a seperate mount for /home if ya want, and then u wont have to resize05:03
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c0nv1ctcuz like 90% of your disk usage will be in /home05:04
Parkotronfizzbane: Mine looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9186/05:04
indygoHow do I put /home on a separate drive?05:04
c0nv1cti have kubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu packages installed, and its only taking up 6.3 gigs in /05:04
c0nv1ctbut i have 420gb for /home05:05
fizzbaneThanks parkotron. I will try what you have there.05:05
Parkotronfizzbane: I think the [B]  and [/B]  are messed up forum formatting codes.05:05
Joshooawhat does xubuntu use?05:05
posingaspopularxfce05:05
c0nv1ctas a window manager? xfce05:05
fizzbaneoh i get it05:05
intelikeyc0nv1ct you mount the fs at mountpoint /home05:05
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fizzbanei will try it like yours05:05
c0nv1ctintelikey: i'm trying to help indygo :)05:05
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spitwisehow come apt cant find vlc?05:05
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Parkotronfizzbane: No problem. Hope that works for you.05:05
intelikeyspitwise you don't have universe enabled ?05:06
spitwisei do i do05:06
Hasrat_USAgood evening everyone!05:06
intelikey!info vlc05:06
ubotuvlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB05:06
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spitwisekanker, no i dodnt05:06
spitwisedidnt also05:06
c0nv1ctindygo: actually man, it'll probably be less complicated to resize it from a Live CD05:06
jryhigginsthird time ive reconfigured and still the same error "no screens" and i have looked in the xorg and it says there is a screen05:06
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matrixhi, how can i get konqueror to always show the detailed list view?05:07
intelikey!repos | spitwise05:07
ubotuspitwise: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu05:07
c0nv1ctindygo: or else you'll have to do some editing of /etc/fstab and some moving of files05:07
Dumahenhow can i configure bind to use default name server on ubuntu ?05:07
spitwise:P intelikey05:07
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spitwisei did a clean install today im not happy about05:07
c0nv1ctindygo: not to mention using fdisk and mkfs too05:08
ctwdoes anybody hear have a working dual screen setup with xinerama in Feisty?05:08
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intelikeyimo a clean install of ubuntu is very dirty.05:08
fizzbaneThanks Parkotron. I edited my menu and i will go try it out now. If it doesn't work i will be back.05:08
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Dumahenhow can i configure bind to use default name server on ubuntu ?05:08
spitwisein other god new old school stones is on tv05:08
indygolol, okay :D thanks for all the help c0nv1ct05:08
spitwisegod new = good news05:08
ubuntuIs it good to have a big swap partition for Linux? Does it improve performance?05:08
washbearhow do you reboot from within single user mode?05:08
Dr_willisubuntu,  over large swap is wasted drive space05:09
c0nv1ctindygo: just go for the Live CD option, you'll be fine buddy :D05:09
ubuntuWhat is it for then?05:09
indygolol okay :D05:09
intelikeywashbear init 605:09
Dr_willisubuntu,  i got 1.5 gb memory rarely use swap.05:09
washbear"reboot" and "shutdown -h now" don't work05:09
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indygobrb, gonna go download and burn it :D05:09
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ubuntuwell i have 4 gigs of ram05:09
c0nv1ctwashbear: init 605:09
Dr_willisubuntu,  you asked what use was a BIG swap partition. no use at all..05:09
spitwisesudo reboot?05:09
ubuntuand a 3.0ghz HT processer05:09
washbearintelikey - simply "init 6" at the prompt?05:10
Dr_willisubuntu,  id say make a 512mb swap partition then and leave it at that.05:10
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intelikeyyep05:10
jryhigginsdr_willis: can you give me some possible scenerios where i whould get an error saying "no screens detected" after an nvidia driver install? even though xorg shows a screen05:10
washbearnice one, thx!05:10
ubuntui have a 13gig swap partition lol05:10
Bearcathey folka05:10
spitwiseubuntu: no!05:10
Dr_willisjryhiggins,  the driver is failing to load is one possibility05:10
c0nv1ctwashbear: runlevel 6 = reboot :D05:10
ubuntulol05:10
Bearcatfolks that is05:10
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Bearcati belive i may be hosed05:10
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ubuntuits a 300gig sataII hd, so i figured a little more wouldnt hurt lol05:10
jryhigginsdr_willis: ok should i change all of the device identifiers to "nv" instead of there true hardware names?05:11
intelikeyc0nv1ct by default  that is....  on this box i'm in runlevel 6 as we speak.05:11
spitwisenot neccessary05:11
Dr_willisi got 1.25 TB of drive space total.05:11
ubuntushould i set it lower?05:11
spitwiseyes!05:11
ubuntuto like, 1gig maybe? lol05:11
spitwiselower..05:11
c0nv1ctintelikey: well yeah, you can change the rc#.d around all you want05:11
Dr_willisjryhiggins,  i think ya shoukld read up on the xorg.conf layout. :) and find some example xorg.confs to twiddle with.05:11
ubuntuwhy lower?05:11
Dr_willisBRB...05:11
inteliwaspwhat is the best way to rip an audiobook for use on a ogg player?05:11
spitwisecuz it aint needed05:11
Bearcati'm trying to get a lexmark x2250 and all reports point to that there is no driver available.  Can i just use another driver instead?05:11
ubuntuhmmm05:11
spitwisei'm betting youn also have plenty of ram05:11
ubuntui have 4 gigs of ram05:12
ubuntuddr05:12
spitwiseya dont waste all that space on swap05:12
ubuntuand a 3.0ghz ht processor05:12
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spitwisesome people dont even USE swap05:12
ubuntuwell it wouldnt be a waste, its my OS drive, only thing that goes on it is windows/linux05:12
JoshooaWhat is the easiest way to get all my harddrives formatted and partitioned for a dual XP/Kubuntu install?05:12
spitwiseya it would be a waste05:12
ubuntuok, thank you guys05:13
spitwise;)05:13
ubuntuill set it lower when i goto install it05:13
fizzbaneParkotron: Ok. I got an error 13 when i booted windows.05:13
ubuntudo i lose performance if i go with a bigger swap?05:13
ubuntuor it just doesnt get utalized?05:13
spitwiseno just cool-points05:13
intelikeyi have p1mmx 100mhz processor 64m ram 600m hdd running ubuntu hoary + kde    so what's the question ?05:13
indygookay, small question, what is the difference in the dapper and edgy releases of kubuntu?05:13
intelikeyindygo 4 months.05:14
spitwiseedgy is newer05:14
indygothanks :D05:14
JoshooaI heard you shouldn't have bigger than 2GB in a swap file, and if you want more swap, make different partitons05:14
intelikeydapper is LTS though05:14
spitwisehence my new clean install05:15
spitwise:/05:15
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intelikeyi heard myself say that i run kde in this 64m ram box with no swap...05:15
spitwiseWTF is LTS05:15
Hasrat_USAlong term release05:15
intelikey!lts05:15
ubotuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.05:15
fizzbaneCan anyone help me with grub booting windows. I got an error 13 when i tryed booting it.05:16
spitwiseya i only make a swap partition for superstitionisti reasons05:16
jryhiggins_nvidia05:16
Hasrat_USAspitwise: I have one gig DDR RAM but still I have a swap partition of 3 GB05:16
jryhiggins_!nvidia05:16
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:16
Hasrat_USA!beryl05:16
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects05:16
spitwisedamn you and your ginormous hd05:16
Hasrat_USAmy HDD is only 160 GB05:17
intelikeyfizzbane what options do you have set for it ?      active ?   noverify ?    chainloader +1  ?05:17
ubuntuim reading here that its a good idea to set the swap file to double the ram you have...05:17
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Hasrat_USAI don't even know why the swap is 3 GB. I let the installer do everything on its own05:17
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fizzbanemy grub menu looks like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9188/05:17
Hasrat_USABeryl flies in my puter :)05:17
Bearcatso if this printer is unsupported is there a basic driver i can use?05:18
Hasrat_USAafter installing beryl i can't get away from the keyboard anymore :P05:18
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TakmadeusGreetings05:18
JoshooaHow do I get the volume knob on my keyboard working?05:18
TakmadeusI need some help05:18
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TakmadeusI got ubuntu 6.06 installed05:18
Joshooa!leakd05:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about leakd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:18
intelikeyBearcat check with the manufacture   see if they supply a  PPD file.05:18
Takmadeusand today I got kubuntu dapper from shipit05:19
Takmadeushow do I install kubuntu desktop from CD?05:19
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Joshooa!lineak05:19
Bearcatintelikey: it's a lexmark x2250.  i don't think they do.05:19
spitwiseboot from cdrom05:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lineak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:19
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ubuntuWhats up with the stupid num lock key with linux05:19
intelikeyfizzbane 154 rooty           (hd1,0)05:19
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intelikeyROOTY  ?05:19
intelikey:)05:19
ubuntuall the time, i have to turn it off then on again for it to work, even though it was ON to begin with!05:20
fizzbaneit says rooty?!05:20
JoshooaNow listening to:Every Sunday by Smile Empty Soul on Smile Empty Soul05:20
JoshooaHey neat it worked05:20
Takmadeusspitwise: but then when I do install it asks to reformat all the linux partitions05:20
fizzbaneaww man05:20
Takmadeusspitwise: what to do then?05:20
fizzbane-_-05:20
intelikeylol05:20
spitwiseum well if all your data is backed up say OK05:20
spitwiseunless you have some ohter partitioning scheme in mind05:20
intelikeymounty the rooty of the pointy clicky thingy on ....05:20
Takmadeusspitwise: hmmm yet I wanna have both of them installed05:21
fizzbanehaha05:21
fizzbaneIs everything else ok?05:21
intelikeyfizzbane let me look.05:21
fizzbanek thank you.05:21
spitwiseboth of wha?05:22
intelikeyfizzbane i'm not sure if the root line should be before or after the map lines   but aside from that looks good.05:22
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Takmadeusubuntu desktop + kubuntu desktop05:22
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Fizzbanethank you intelikey05:22
spitwiseubuntu=gnome window manager05:22
intelikeyFizzbane you can check it and if it works tell me that it is ok to put root after and next time i'll know.05:23
spitwisekubuntu=kde window manager if im not mistaken05:23
Fizzbaneok I will.05:23
FizzbaneI'll go try it out now.05:23
Takmadeusspitwise: exactly, I wanna have both options at session start05:23
spitwisenot really sure the q Takmadeus05:23
magez_!kubuntu05:23
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE05:23
Fizzbanethank you.05:23
magez_!ubuntu05:23
ubotuUbuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome05:23
unix_infidelanyone know how to adjust brightness in vlc?05:24
intelikeyspitwise basic concept  yes.   actually  *ubuntu == ubuntu plus what ever desktop env.05:24
Takmadeusubotu: yep, I understand that05:24
spitwisepick one and then install the other one later?05:24
spitwiseshould only be one on your cd05:24
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intelikeyinstall one and add the other desktops to it.05:24
Joshooa!xubuntu05:24
ubotuxubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels05:24
spitwiseright05:25
deep_i need help getting my mic to work05:25
Takmadeusspitwise: yep, yet I have ubuntu completely updated, and I have looked for the kubuntu-desktop deb in the CD... no result so far05:25
spitwiseintelikey: == my hero05:25
spitwisekubuntu-desktop from apt05:25
Hasrat_USAhell why go for lightweight xubuntu when you can go for KDE 3.5.6 and install Beryl afterwards!!05:25
indygoIs it usual to have trouble listening to music from the windows side of a dual boot disk?05:25
washbearintelikey - strange thing is that "init 6" (like "reboot" and "shutdown -h now") returns this: "init: Unable to send message: Connection refused"05:25
Takmadeusspitwise: got dialup, so it is quite difficult05:25
ubuntuI can never get beryl to work05:25
spitwiseyour obviously online, why not use apt?05:25
spitwisehmm05:26
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lupobuon giorno05:26
intelikeyspitwise if you want all the "kubuntu" defaults,   if you only want to add the kde experance  just install kde05:26
Hasrat_USAubuntu say what? why?05:26
spitwiseintelikey: it aint my q05:26
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Takmadeusintelikey: i am the one in this mess :p05:26
ubuntui dunno it just doesnt work05:26
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intelikeywashbear eeeek05:26
spitwiseok vlc is installed i can watch my pron05:26
ubuntui run kubuntu, install my video card drivers, install beryl, try to load it and it just resets back to KDE05:27
spitwise:P05:27
Takmadeusintelikey: got dialup, so it is almost impossible to download like 230 megs05:27
intelikeyTakmadeus if you want all the "kubuntu" defaults,   if you only want to add the kde experance  just install kde     same for xfce405:27
FizzbaneIntelikey: I think you can have root after, I'm not certain because i am missing NTLDR.05:27
BearcatOk, There is no driver (ppd file) for this printer.  Is there a basic printer driver can use. So i cant get this printer to do a thing.  I'm afraid i'm gonna have to tell my client that if they wanna keep linux they have to get a new printer.05:27
intelikeyTakmadeus yes. i'm on dialup.05:27
deathnotecan i use mv command to move more than 1 file? eg: mv a b <destination>05:28
intelikeyFizzbane try putting it before and see if the same problem persists.05:28
Hasrat_USAubuntu you mean you installed the legacy or the official/closed-source/proprietory drivers? which video card do you got and how much memory does it have?05:28
Takmadeusintelikey: plus taking into account that I theoretically have it all in the CD, so the question is: how do i get everything out from kubuntu Cd and install it along with ubuntu05:28
FizzbaneIt says I'm missing the NTLDR.05:28
ubuntui have the ATI AIW Radeon X800xt wich has 256mb of gddr3 ram05:28
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deathnoteintelikey: yesterday the usb cd drive.. i tried using another cd rom drive asus and it worked.. it doesn't work with tdk cd rom05:29
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deathnotethe installation of edgy05:29
ubuntui installed the ATI drivers for it, from thier site05:29
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indygoHow can I play music files from the windows side of my partition on the linux side?05:29
Dr_willisubuntu,  you really didetn want to do it that way.05:29
ubuntureally?05:29
Dr_willis!ati05:29
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:29
spitwiseindygo: mount that partition05:29
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indygoI have, but I run into problems getting the files to play.  neither amarok nor kaffeine play the files...05:30
ubuntuwhats the differance? runs better with linux drivers then the company that makes the card?05:30
spitwisefiletype?05:30
intelikeyTakmadeus mount the cd look for pool/  packages are in there.  but if you are talking about the liveCD i don't think you'll get much satisfaction out of that.   the alternate CD/DVD  yes.      man apt-cdrom05:30
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Hasrat_USAduh ubuntu lol05:30
indygo.mp305:31
jryhigginsok i tryed again from scrath at installing my nvidia driver. when X tryed to start it says "setting resolution [1280x1024]  FAILLED" and so on through every resolution05:31
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lupohho un problema con beryl chimi aiuta?05:31
Hasrat_USAjust read that file. dr willis knows better05:31
ubuntuor are they just hacked binary drivers of the original ati drivers to run with beryl?05:31
Takmadeusintelikey: got the live CD.... damn, so I have to get the alternate CD?05:31
spitwiseindygo: you can play mp3 on linux partitions right?05:31
Hasrat_USAno ubuntu05:31
intelikeydeathnote i'll make a note that "asus = good" "tdk = bad"05:31
washbearspitwise - yes05:31
ubuntuasus is god05:32
Hasrat_USAalternatively you can download and run milanoe's world-famous script to be done with driver installation, for all its worth05:32
ubuntui love my P4V800D-X board05:32
intelikeyTakmadeus to use as a repo   i think so.  but you can try the liveCD   i've been wrong before, that wouldn't be a first.05:32
ubuntuhasrat would you help me get beryl to work when im done installing this kubuntu?05:32
Takmadeusintelikey: I hope we can find a solution ASAP :p05:33
Dr_willisBeryl is not worth messing with at this time.. its still way flakey.05:33
Dr_willis:)05:33
slyfoxWhat do you people use for Calendar and email? Kontact of Gmail and G Cal ?05:33
spitwisewashbear: indygo whoever .. dunno .. if its mounted i dunno05:33
ubuntuis compiz stable?05:33
intelikey!beryl05:33
Hasrat_USAlol sly they all suck05:33
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects05:33
Hasrat_USAi use yahoo web mail05:33
Dr_willis!compwiz05:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about compwiz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:33
Dr_willis!compiz05:33
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects05:33
slyfoxubotu: Beryl sucks because you get no virtual desktops05:34
Dr_willisand for other reasons. as well. :)05:34
Hasrat_USAslyfox say what?05:34
spitwisemaybe a permissions issue05:34
Hasrat_USAubuntu yes i would. don't worry :)05:34
ubuntui thought beryl has virtual desktops used on the cube?05:34
Hasrat_USAif there was no virtual desktop in beryl people wouldn't have gotten crazy over it :P05:34
intelikeyTakmadeus did you try   apt-cdrom   ?05:34
Hasrat_USAubuntu YES BERYL has it. you want proof?05:34
slyfoxHasrat_USA: Just curious to what people use as I am trying to decide what to use for myself - Kontact or Gmail and Google Clanedar ?05:34
ubuntui know beryl has it, lol, i seen the videos05:35
intelikeyTakmadeus did you   man apt-cdrom   ?05:35
ubuntui just wanna know what would be better to run, compiz or beryl05:35
indygoI guess I could burn them all to a disk, then rip them (or upload to website, download from, to save disks ) lol05:35
Takmadeusintelikey: trying05:35
Hasrat_USAhell i can show you my own live videos...i mean...for example...you tell me to take a screenshot or video of my beryl and i would do it and send to you with your first and last name printed on each video as proof lol only to prove that beryl has virtual desktops05:36
slyfoxHasrat_USA: I want proof. With Beryl you get no virtual desktops as in each has its own taskbar, you jsut get different screens with the cube, but for mr hte point of a virtual desktop is that it has stuff seperate on its own from othe desktops05:36
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ubuntuslyfox they are virtual desktops05:36
Hasrat_USAubuntu and slyfox you send me pictures of your girlfriends (in case you don't have girlfriends, send pics of your moms LOL) and i will set them as wallpaper on each side of the cube, rotate them in the virtual world and send you the video :)05:37
ubuntuloaded into multiple formats, such as a box, a list, and others05:37
ubuntumy wife is hottttt05:37
ubuntusorry, shes mine :-p05:37
intelikeyTakmadeus and let me point out,  ubuntu is made for high-speed internet     it's very unfrindly to the dialup user in that everything about the packaging system is setup for internet use.   a distro like   a debian boxed set    would be much better for the dialup user.05:37
Hasrat_USAoh sorry slyfox you're right. yes beryl doesn't actually have that kind of 'true' desktop lol05:37
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Takmadeusintelikey: I will get broadband in like 3 weeks05:38
slyfoxHasrat_USA: Virtual screens is not virtual desktops. View Ports they are called in Beryl are not present in KDE. Point of virtual desktop is to have sepearate TASKBAR and progrmas running just relating to that virtual desktop. With Beryl you get one cluttered taskbar.05:38
slyfoxOk.05:38
intelikeyTakmadeus then patients is a vertue05:38
Hasrat_USAso you're saying that compiz or xgl has them?05:38
jryhigginscan someone help me shed some light on this? "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia"05:38
Takmadeusintelikey: plus I have customized my ubuntu so much that it would be a pain to let it go :p05:38
Takmadeusintelikey: guess so :;p05:39
Hasrat_USAwait i think i saw something called viewport manager in kde. let me look at em by launching beryl manager05:39
Takmadeusintelikey: yet I hoped for kubuntu to work05:39
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Takmadeusintelikey: in that way, that is :p05:39
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Dumahenhow can i clear binds cache ?05:39
slyfoxHasrat_USA: well ?05:40
jryhigginsX is giving errors on loading the nvidia module and says "screens found but none have a usuable configuration"05:41
intelikeywashbear you still there ?05:41
ubuntu98% installing, woot05:41
slyfoxHasrat_USA: well ? Anything ?05:42
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intelikeywashbear may sound like a no brainer but, did you try     exit   ?05:42
Hasrat_USAokay it kinda asks me to know if i have a viewport manager installed alongside Beryl, that would enable me to use different wallpapers, settings etc for different desktops05:42
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duffhey y'all05:43
duffso, I'm a n00b...05:43
Hasrat_USAi have to find and install a viewport/desktop manager that would allow me to have 'real' virtual desktops, it seems05:43
slyfoxHasrat_USA: kinda? The end result? Do you get seperate taskbars ?05:43
duffanyone want to help me mount my drives so I can see 'em?05:43
jryhigginscan someone help me with my xorg problem please?05:43
slyfoxHasrat_USA: Untill the day Beryl suppport real virtual desktops, I see it as useless05:43
Hasrat_USAslyfox the end result is that i will have to find and install a desktop manager that would enable me to do it and integrate it with Beryl05:43
intelikey!find viewport05:44
Hasrat_USAthat's your opinion05:44
slyfoxit is05:44
ubotuFile viewport found in r-base-core05:44
ubuntuhasrat_USA ill be back this thing is done installing k?05:44
Hasrat_USAeverybody is entitled to his own opinion05:44
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Hasrat_USAum okay ubuntu05:44
ubuntuthanks man05:44
Dr_willisI sort of like that Mettiss (metiss) mettis? desktop i saw on the Mandriva live cd.05:44
duffanyone want to help a n00b?05:44
Takmadeus!find kubuntu-desktop05:44
intelikeyHasrat_USA not in some countries.05:44
ubotuFound: kubuntu-desktop05:44
JoshooaHow do I make Amarok or anything play my songs right and not skip and make funny noises>?05:44
intelikeys/u//05:45
duffneed to mount hard drives so I see them in /media...05:45
slyfoxJoshooa: #amarok05:45
Joshooait was an ogg file, so shouldn't it work just fine?05:45
JoshooaAw05:45
Hasrat_USAokay i would just keep my mouth shut regarding this beryl issue for a while :P05:45
intelikey!ntfs | duff05:45
ubotuduff: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse05:45
Takmadeusintelikey: thanks for the help :p05:47
intelikeynp05:47
Dr_willissome days i think there needs to be a big "helper" program tht users can run to do the top 10 questions 'solutions' :) #1 feature would be mounting all the windows drives properly. heh05:47
Dr_willisI though the ubuntu installers was supposed to mount them automaticially?05:47
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unholyskornwow, linux kubuntu runs so much better with a 4gig swap file, gg05:48
intelikeytheir gui installer is a joke.05:48
duffthe first time I tried installing, it did mount them automatically05:48
duffbut not this time, for some reason05:48
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intelikeyunholyskorn better than what ?   a 30g one ?05:49
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unholyskornbetter then the standard that it installs05:49
c0nv1cti got a 4g swap, but it rarely uses any of it05:50
Hasrat_USAeven with beryl running, it says in the system monitor that not a single byte of my 3 GIG swap file is in use and that 242.3 MB out of 1010.3 MB physical ram is in use. what's wrong?05:50
c0nv1ctits using 11mb of it now..05:50
intelikeyi think standard in that respect is a percentage of the total.05:50
Dr_willisi got 512bg swap and rarely use any. :)05:50
userundget more RAM.  I don't use swap at all.05:50
nonuda_Dr_willis, i still can't install kubuntu from hardrive, can u help with the configuration of the menu.lst?05:50
Dr_willis'swap on, swap off.. the swapper'05:50
c0nv1ctlol Dr_willis, nice waste of space :P05:50
Dr_willisnonuda_,  from hard drive?05:50
unholyskornuserund i have 4 gigs of ram05:50
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nonuda_yup..05:50
c0nv1ctheh, u dont even need a swap05:51
Dr_willisthat was not a yes/no question.. :)05:51
unholyskorni know05:51
userundunholyskorn: then you shouldn't use any swap05:51
intelikeyuserund me either05:51
c0nv1cti got 2gb, and it doesnt use much05:51
Dr_willisive never used any of the alternative isntall methods for ubuntu. so proberly cant help much.05:51
intelikeylike i said eariler i run a box with 64m no swap  and run kde on it "some times"05:52
chavohmm I just checked and my swap isnt even on05:52
nonuda_oh i see05:52
Dr_willisnonuda_,  why not clarify exactly WHAT you are doing and see who can help.05:52
intelikeychavo so you don't use swap either   :)05:52
chavowell I used to :)05:53
chavoI was installing some other distros and doing some tests today I must have done something to my swap partition05:53
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JoshooaNo one is in #amarok, can anyone here help me?05:54
intelikeyi stoped having swap partitions when i stoped having partitions.05:54
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Dr_willisi always put a little swap partition on all my hd's - just in case a live cd needs it. :)05:54
nonuda_ok..but i got to do some test..05:54
userundintelikey: lvm?05:54
intelikeyno05:54
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washbearintelikey - no, did not try (will do next time!, but for now it's ok, since the "passwd" change took effect after all (and i just rebooted with the power button :)05:55
surgyhey guys05:55
Joshooahey surgy05:56
userundintelikey: what then?05:56
intelikeywashbear i've never seen   init #  fail so i don't know that it would have helped you anyway....05:56
intelikeyuserund what do you mean ?05:56
intelikeyoh you are curious about partitionless disks...05:57
userundintelikey: yes05:57
Hasrat_USAunholyskorn: okay. you're finished?05:57
unholyskornIm updated kubuntu now05:57
surgyim trying to get 3d acceleration on my step dads comp. but everytime i configure the driver and restart x it cant seam to load the nvidia module, so i changed driver to "nv" and it works now, other than that his xorge looks fine to me, everything is almost the same as mine except for the device name. i need help please :)05:57
Hasrat_USAokay so it's all finished now? kde is up and running?05:58
intelikeycan't use the gui installer to get there in any respectable manor  but the alternate can    just make a fs on the disk   no partitions needed   but grub can't boot it.  have to use lilo.05:58
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chavosurgy, how did you install the driver?05:58
unholyskornits running, but its doing its updates from adept05:58
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intelikeyuserund basicly that's all there is to know.05:58
userundintelikey: hmm, interesting, never knew you could do that.05:58
surgychavo: just like the how to says i downloaded nvidia-glx using apt-get and the ran the configure command05:58
chavosurgy, did you try -> sudo modprobe nvidia05:58
Hasrat_USAoh okay unholyskorn05:59
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Hasrat_USAlet adept adopt itself to the new environment :P05:59
intelikeyuserund floppy disks don't by default have partitions.   cd's don't by default have partitions...05:59
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deep_can someone help me i have no mic in alsamixer05:59
unholyskornok done Hasrat_USA05:59
intelikeyuserund and my hard drives don't have partitions.05:59
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surgychavo: it wont load the nvidia module becuase i have it set as "nv" in xorg, when i set it to "nvidia" it gives me errors on loading the nvidia module06:00
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ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)06:00
c0nv1ctsurgy: what error did you get when u had it set to 'nvidia' driver?06:00
chavosurgy, there's 2 parts to the nvidia driver, the kernel module and the video driver06:01
surgyFATAL: Error could not load the module nvidia06:01
intelikeyuserund when i first started testing with it i even tried a hybird half partitionless disk   with a partition table and one partition but the other half of the disk just formated ext2   it will work but it's hard to setup and can be very problematic06:01
Hasrat_USAokay. so you wanna give KDE sometime and play around with it or just go ahead with Beryl? by the way answer the following questions: do you have the proprietory driver of your video card installed? did you use Albert Milanoe's envy script to install the proprietory drivers? which version of Ubuntu? edgy dapper or feisty alpha?06:01
chavosurgy, did you install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`06:01
surgychavo: yes06:01
c0nv1ctwhat nvidia driver did you install?06:02
userundintelikey: yes I don't know if I could do it.  I like /home on its own partition.  Of course I could mount it to another drive06:02
c0nv1ct9746?06:02
chavohave you tried to run -> sudo modprobe nvidia06:02
surgychavo: yes06:02
c0nv1cthttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33641206:02
c0nv1ctfollow those steps, should work for ya06:02
chavosurgy, ok and it loaded fine?06:02
surgychavo: it cant load the module becuase i have it set to "nv" if i set it to "nvidia" it will not load the module anyways06:02
surgychavo: yes06:03
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intelikeyuserund yes.   all my hdd's are small  4g and such so using whole disk is not wasting any space really.  but someone with a three digit Gb disk would not want to format the whole disk for obvious reasons.06:03
unholyskornHasrat_USA im all done with updates06:03
JoshooaI'm getting ready to format my 200GB06:04
Hasrat_USAunholyskorn: i posted some questions for you to answer ^^^06:04
unholyskornwhere?06:04
Hasrat_USAokay. so you wanna give KDE sometime and play around with it or just go ahead with Beryl? by the way answer the following questions: do you have the proprietory driver of your video card installed? did you use Albert Milanoe's envy script to install the proprietory drivers? which version of Ubuntu? edgy dapper or feisty alpha?06:04
NixHexanyone know of a good addon for thunderbird that allows sending encrypted messages that works in linux? enigmail won't install for some reason06:04
intelikeyuserund it's as simple as   mke2fs /dev/hda ;mount /dev/hda /target    and install...06:04
userundNixHex: there's a GPG extension06:04
unholyskornI use Kubuntu, I wanna get Beryl installed and working with my video card.  I JUST installed Kubuntu so nothing is in it06:05
chavosurgy, is this an nvidia upgrade or new install?06:05
surgychavo new install06:05
chavook06:05
unholyskornKubuntu Edgy06:05
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NixHexuserund: yes, but the actual addon for thunderbird is enigmail...06:05
surgychavo yeah i gotta go to sleep, but thnx for the help, ill be working on it more tommorow06:05
NixHexuserund: that uses GPG06:06
chavoyeah I lost man sorry06:06
chavoIm lost*06:06
Bearcatalright, i am really confused. I can't burn a cd. I have made sure that the user is in the "burning" group, that the k3b set up is set to use the burning group. The cd/dvd drive is /dev/scd0 but k3b complains about not having exclusive access to /dev/sg0.   How do i find out what sg0 is?06:06
Hasrat_USAunholyskorn: but for Beryl to work, at first you have to make sure that 3d Acceleration is enabled in your OS06:07
unholyskornok, how do i do that?06:07
unholyskorni have a ATI AIW Radeon X800Xt, it is AGP8x06:07
unholyskorn256MB GDDR3 Ram06:07
chavoooh ATI fun fun fun!06:07
intelikeyBearcat you ask in here.    scsi devices have a controler device sg#   that's it.06:08
userundNixHex: why won't it install?  I just installed enigmail extension no problem06:08
surgychavo: np thnx06:08
NixHexuserund: it doesn't work with 64bit thunderbird06:08
userundNixHex: ah06:09
Hasrat_USAunholyskorn: type wget http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/nvidia/scripts/envy_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb in the kterminal06:09
Bearcatintelikey: ahh. the "scsi" controller is a 2 port sata controler. So that has to be under the "burning" user too?!06:09
intelikeyBearcat there you go06:09
unholyskornwhy does that say nvidia?06:10
Bearcatintelikey: and can i assume that the "run k3bset up" won't stick past the reboot unless i alter the udev set up?06:10
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nonuda_i have a laptop with winxp in it, i have created 3 partition, first partition is 9 gb for the winxp, 2nd is 500mb for the swap file and 3rd is 5 gb for kubuntu...and i have copy all the file from kubuntu cd into the first partition and put them in c:/kubuntu...then create a grub bootloader..the bootloader works fine..i can boot using vmlinuz and initrd.gz from in c:/kubuntu/casper/ but the boot process stuck it said "ALERT! /dev/rd/0 does not exist.06:10
nonuda_Dropping to a shell!"06:10
intelikeyyes you can assume that Bearcat,  and be quite right in your assumption as well.06:11
nonuda_it seem because the configuration of the menu.lst file06:11
Bearcatintelikey: yay! ...wait. BOO!06:11
null___How can I tell from the command line what version of Kubuntu I have?  (I mean the cool code names like Drake or such)06:11
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intelikeyBearcat ?06:12
Hasrat_USAyou have to disregard that unholyskorn06:12
stdin!version | null___06:12
ubotunull___: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell06:12
unholyskornok, i have it and its in my folder06:12
stdinnonuda_: can't you just boot from the CD?06:12
null___cool, edgy :)06:12
nonuda_don't have cdrom06:12
Hasrat_USAokay. just to convince you, i would say that the word 'nvidia' in the url doesn't signify or state that it's only for nvidia cards06:12
nonuda_i copy the kubuntu file from cd using another PC06:13
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intelikeyBearcat on the outside chance that something is accessing the device "watching for inserted disks"   fuser /dev/sg0   might tell you06:13
unholyskornok hasrat_USA i got the file, what now?06:13
larson99992nd life for linux... wasn't so bad06:13
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stdinnonuda_: ahh, so you want to boot the install from windows06:13
casev01hi06:14
nonuda_yup06:14
casev01how can i mount a *.uif image to browse within it?06:14
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intelikeyok guys i'm out for a bit.    time to make rounds again.   well almost time....06:14
Dr_willis:)06:15
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Dr_willisuif  image? thats a new one for me.06:15
Hasrat_USAokay, unholyskorn. now type sudo dpkg -i envy_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb06:15
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stdinDr_willis: http://www.filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=uif&Search=Search apparently it's a compressed format06:16
casev01envy is so nice06:16
Dr_willisnever needed to use envy. :)06:16
casev01me neither06:16
casev01xD06:16
casev01but i tested it, and is nice06:17
stdinnonuda_: I don't know about that error06:17
casev01good bye06:17
nonuda_stdin, can u tell me how to install kubuntu from windows?06:18
Hasrat_USAif envy wasn't written, they might have come up with a book titled "installing proprietory drivers for dummies" lol06:18
stdinnonuda_: all I know about it is from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows06:18
unholyskornhasrat i did it but theres tons of errors i believe...06:19
nonuda_yes i have read it..and follow it..but not succed06:20
Hasrat_USAum unholy such as?06:20
unholyskorndid u get all my PM's?06:20
Hasrat_USAoh and did you add/enable extra repositories?06:20
Hasrat_USAoh yes hold on06:20
Hasrat_USAomg06:21
unholyskorn?06:21
Hasrat_USAwhy is python not installed?06:21
unholyskorni dunno...06:21
unholyskornall i did was install kubuntu and update it06:21
jhutchinsBecause python is unnecessary and irrelevant?06:22
Hasrat_USAgo to a terminal and type python and see what happens06:22
Hasrat_USAjhut oh what makes you say that?06:22
Hasrat_USAit's a great language for newbie programmers06:23
Hasrat_USAspecially those new to unix environment06:23
jhutchinsOh, just the proliferation of redundant languages/environments.  We have C, we have assembler, we have bash.  What more do we realy need?  Python, ruby, php, pearl, whatever else is the flavor-of-the-week.06:23
Hasrat_USAokay python interpreter is installed06:23
jhutchinsJust makin' noise I guess, n'mind.06:24
unholyskornhasrat, one side question, how do you add/remove repositories from apt manager manually?06:24
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Dr_willisI thouhg it was installed by default.. never noticed...06:24
Dr_willisunholyskorn,  you can always edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file06:24
jhutchinss/pearl/perl/06:24
unholyskornthanks dr_willis06:24
Hasrat_USAsudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list06:24
jhutchinsWhat's apt written in?06:25
Dr_willisC would be my guess..06:26
Hasrat_USAwhat's beryl written in?06:26
Dr_willisC would be my guess..06:26
Dr_willis:)06:26
BearcatHasrat_USA: cobol :P06:26
Dr_willislisp06:26
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Hasrat_USAmy guess is BASIC06:27
unholyskornit says invalid syntax when i try to do sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list06:27
Dr_willisLinux is all written in VisualBasic...06:27
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Hasrat_USAif you spend a whole decade on visual basic it might be possible to come up with an OS written in it06:27
Hasrat_USAbut to do that you have to code a lot06:27
Hasrat_USAzillions and zillions of lines all written in visual basic06:28
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Dr_willisAMOS :) for you old timers.06:28
Dr_willisblitzbasic06:28
unholyskornok Hasrat_USA, what do i do for this beryl thing?06:29
unholyskornthat script didnt seem to work06:29
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Hasrat_USAunless and until you're done with properly installing appropriate proprietory drivers for your card and enabling 3D acceleration, i can't proceed06:29
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Hasrat_USAbecause if i do, you would blame me when beryl would crash :P06:30
Dr_willisplus it would be dog slow...06:30
Dr_willis:)06:30
Dr_willisbut my dog is rather fast...06:30
d0uglasi'd like to have a directory synced up with a remote server's directory in the background (via ftp?) whenever there are modifications to anything within that folder (or done periodically) so Momma can have her docs backed up on my coloed box06:30
d0uglasany suggestions?06:30
Hasrat_USAit won't be NOTHING, since beryl wouldn't run at all :P06:30
Dr_willisive seen beryl run on the nv driver I belive.06:30
Hasrat_USAhell without proprietory drivers composite won't even run06:30
Dr_willison some live cd...06:31
unholyskornok so what do i do to get the drivers installed?06:31
Dr_willisbut heck.. i dont like it anyway. :)06:31
unholyskornand, why didnt that script work"06:31
Hasrat_USAum...06:31
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ttreadd0uglas: rsync06:32
d0uglasthanks06:32
Hasrat_USAi bet i can't really say why06:33
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unholyskorn:(06:34
Hasrat_USAhmm06:34
unholyskornshould i go through that whole list and install all the packagesit says it needs but arnt installed?06:34
null___interesting.06:34
unholyskornlike, python-gtk2 etc...06:34
null___whoa06:34
null___that's what i'm installing RIGHT now06:34
null___o.o06:35
null___proof that life is fake06:35
d0uglasttread: does rsync need anything special done on the other server on which i dont have root or should i just go ahead and start manning it06:35
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unholyskornyah i need all these programs hasrat...06:35
null___null@localhosts:~/Desktop$ sudo aptitude install tango-icon-theme-common tango-icon-theme python2.4-gtk2 pytong 2.4-glade2 python-vte gksu libgnomeui-0 python-gnome2-extras06:35
Hasrat_USAthat might be a better idea and doing so won't harm ya unholy06:35
Hasrat_USArofl null06:35
unholyskornthanks man, ill do that now and update ya :-p06:35
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Hasrat_USAok06:35
Hasrat_USAthis python s***!06:36
ttreadd0uglas, I don't actually know06:36
unholyskornlol, i just did a select all, request install lol06:36
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unholyskornand adept just shit itself06:36
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null___why is the automatix site down?06:37
Hasrat_USAlol is it finally down? FINALLY?06:37
Hasrat_USAeasyubuntu's site should be hacked and destroyed too!06:38
Dr_willisheh...06:38
unholyskornman, i wish xfire worked with linux, such bull06:38
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Dr_willisthe lesser of 2 unneeded rvils..06:38
Dr_willis:)06:38
Dr_willisevile.06:38
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unholyskornif xfire worked on linux it would be sweet06:40
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unholyskornbut noooo, lol06:40
Dr_willisxfire?06:40
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unholyskornyes, xfire06:40
unholyskornits a chat program06:40
Dr_willisthat game/im client?06:40
colorsoundboyepson V10 scanner is not working :| but in sane-find-scanner it is there how can i enable this scanner06:40
unholyskornskins itself into all your games, etc...06:40
Dr_willisI thogh they got bought out, or sued or somthing.. heh heh.. or both...06:40
Dr_willisgames are for the weak. :)06:41
unholyskornwell, i use it to talk to friends sometimes, i got a couple that only use xfire, no aim or anything06:41
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Dr_willisIRC - the way it should be.! :)06:42
unholyskornOMG, it worked06:43
frithello06:43
frit:)06:43
Dr_willishi06:43
Hasrat_USAunholy what?06:43
unholyskornxfire worked06:43
unholyskorni installed it with wine06:43
unholyskornmust of fixed it with a new version of wine06:43
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unholyskorni tried it a couple months ago and it didnt work, sweet06:43
Lam_a couple of months is a pretty long time for linux development06:44
Lam_everything moves too fast06:44
NDPowerBookOk time for bed.06:44
fritlol06:44
Dr_willisor not fast enough.06:44
fritright06:44
frit^^06:44
Bearcatdoes anyone in here use the wildfire jabber server and know of an irc room where i canget help06:45
unholyskornhow do i force a program to close?06:45
colorsoundboyOk thanks for helping or any further tips is this linux :-|06:45
Hasrat_USAi gotta go too. gotta drink some water and crash06:45
unholyskornk hasrat, later man06:45
Hasrat_USAlaterz06:45
unholyskornill try to fix this06:46
Dr_willisunholyskorn,  could use 'xkill' from a command line. or use the kill command, if you get the programs pid wth 'ps'06:46
unholyskornwhat was the command to run that script again?06:46
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fritunholyskorn:  u can use ps aux06:46
Hasrat_USAokay, unholyskorn. now type sudo dpkg -i envy_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb06:46
frit& kill process using the kill cmd06:46
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unholyskornk cool06:47
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NixHexerrr...so I take it that you uninstall akregator or bluetooth stuff without uninstalling Kubuntu-desktop....sucky06:48
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userundNixHex: they're working on fixing that for fiesty.06:49
deus17hi06:49
NixHexI'm in feisty06:49
Dr_willisKubuntu-Desktop  is just a Meta-Package06:49
Dr_willisso removeing it.. really dosent  do much. :)06:49
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NixHexDr_willis: but without it...I have a gamma problem06:49
deus17im new of the kubuntu and just installed it, i have a little problem... i have download the latest version of firefox.. but how does i install it ?06:50
deus17i know you writing something in the console.. but what? ^^06:50
NixHexdeus17: its in the repos06:50
flacciddeus17: what version of ubuntu and what version of firefox?06:50
Dr_willisNixHex,  thats.. weird... Kubuntu-desktop dosent actually do anything at all.. its just a  package with a lot of other packages a a depenecnecy06:50
NixHexdeus17: use adept06:50
fritsudo apt-get install firefox deus1706:50
deus17is that all? or do i have so set the location in the command also?06:50
deus17sudo apt-get install firefox ? ^^06:51
frituse tab06:51
fritbut yes it's that :)06:51
userunddeus17: you shouldn't install it from the website, you should install it from the repositories.  the 'sudo' command posted above will do that for you06:51
NixHexDr_willis: yep, if kubuntu-desktop, always have a gamma problem...think it might be that I am using a widescreen HD monitor06:51
fritafter that to launch it press alt + f2 & type firefox06:51
flaccidunless he wants a later version thatn what is in the repos06:52
deus17sorry i dont understund.. i tried to install it as you said with this command: sudo apt-get install firefox06:52
deus17it could not found the package it said...06:52
deus17so ? any tip?06:52
flaccidfrit: alt + f2 won't work if windows shortcuts are being used or custom ;006:52
Dr_willisNixHex,  that makes.. err.. no sence at all. :)06:52
flaccid[2007-03-08 16:50]  <flaccid> deus17: what version of ubuntu and what version of firefox?06:52
fritho flaccid it's not "onboard" ? :o06:52
NixHexdeus17: may have to update your sources.list06:53
flaccidfrit: onboard?06:53
NixHex!source-o-matic > deus1706:53
Hasrat_USAeither i have to get up from bed and take care of myself or beryl is gonna kill me...(it's THAT addictive *warning*) cyao all have a great night06:53
NixHexDr_willis: yeah, but thats what happens06:53
fritlol flaccid sry for my bad english ^^ imeant on all linux dstribs ?06:53
deus17hmm il try!06:54
flaccidfrit: don't know what you mean. you can change shortcuts you know or choose a scheme from the kde assistant wizard thing06:54
NixHexdeus17: also, you could just run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install firefox"06:54
flaccidi don't see why you need to rebuild the sources list...06:54
NixHexdeus17: cause it could be that it just doesn't know where to get it from06:54
fritok flaccid i thought it would works using apt-get install06:55
flacciddeus17: so yeah what version of firefox did you want, and what version of ubuntu do you have?06:55
fritbecause he can't find the package  :p06:55
NixHexflaccid: the repo has the latest version06:55
deus17i have updated the source list now.. but i the thing is that it opened in kate... so does i have to save and open with commands agian? ^06:55
flaccidfrit: im talking about the shortcut alt+f206:55
deus17dont know wich version.. :( sorry06:55
flaccidNixHex: indeed it does. what if you are on dapper and you want v2?06:55
flaccid!firefox06:56
ubotufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins06:56
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flaccid!find firefox06:56
ubotuFound: mozilla-firefox-locale-ar, mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-in, mozilla-firefox-locale-ca (and 57 others)06:56
flaccid!mozilla-firefox06:56
ubotumozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 55 kB, installed size 116 kB06:56
fritflaccid:  me too , so i thought that after apt-get install firefox to launch it u juste have to alt + f2 + firefox :p06:56
flaccidfrit: you don't understand. alt+f2 won't work if you have windows shortcuts on06:56
Lam_is there something i can use to have my computer turn itself on at a certain time of day?06:57
NixHexflaccid: if you just installed...don't see why you would install dapper over edgy06:57
flacciddeus17: if you are happy with the version , enable the universe repos if not already then update the source list06:57
Dr_williswindows shortcuts - messes with a lot of thiings.06:57
flaccidNixHex: lots of possible reasons06:57
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deus17can anyone explain how to update the sourcelist?06:57
fritflaccid:  ok flaccid i get it know ! how to enable shortcuts so ?06:58
flaccidDr_willis: like what?06:58
flacciddeus17: sudo apt-get update06:58
deus17aha.. thank you! :)06:58
Dr_willisalt-space for Katapult for one. :)06:58
flaccidyou can change that too06:59
flaccida conflict is not really a problem06:59
flaccidits more a logical thing06:59
kkempterAnyone know if I can use the CUPS interface (localhost:631) to define / manae my printers in Edgy eft? Does it require any additional packages/setup?06:59
flaccidkkempter: the admin in kcontrol is good for it07:00
frithow add symbolic links to launch apps ? like skype07:00
flaccidiirc you don't need extra packages07:00
frit+to07:00
deus17i updated the source list.. and wrote sudo apt-get install firefox07:00
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deus17but now it wants me to put in cd or anything? i dont understand ^^07:00
flaccidfrit: ln -s for cli. right click in gui07:00
kkempteris the admin in kcontrol the same as the KDE printer configuration tool?07:00
Dr_williskkempter,  at one time  using the web interface was disabled..07:00
flacciddeus17: your sources.list must be using the CD07:01
Dr_williskkempter,  you can use the kde printer config. it does the same stuff.07:01
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flaccidkkempter: i believe so there is a cups admin button somewhere07:01
deus17aha just tell me that from the beginning ^^07:01
deus17hihi07:01
flacciddeus17: we didn't know what your sources.list was..07:01
kkempterIs the web interface now enabled in Edgy eft?07:01
deus17aha okay07:01
flaccidiirc cups web interface is set to localhost only07:03
flaccidor not enabled. one of the too07:03
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nileshi07:03
nileshi gang07:03
nilesi wrote a copy constructor but i still get an error of simpleIndexedFile.cpp:20: no match for `recordFile<simpleIndex>& = simpleIndex& ' operator07:03
nilesdoes this mean a copy constructor wont work with out haveing a = overloaded as well?07:04
nilesor did i not write the copy constructor correctly.07:04
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unholyskorni got a problem now guys07:08
unholyskorni start adept manager, and it says its being used by another source, but its not and ive restarted the x server and it still says it07:08
nilesoh wrong chat room sorry07:08
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Nix_Hexunholyskorn: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"07:09
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progekWhen using konqueror, clearing cache and browsing history does not seem to clean out the browser. Fore example, after doing that and deleting cookies konqueror still autocompletes login names in websites :/07:09
progekany way to clean it out?07:10
dukehave you checked the settings07:10
progekunder config konqueror ?07:10
dukeyou can specify it to 0 days in history07:10
unholyskornthanks nix_hex07:10
dukei belive it is config07:10
progekduke thanks, but after I delete it shouldn't it not be there?07:11
progekthe history is gone but not login names for websites visited07:11
dukehmm07:11
progekit still auto completes them07:11
NixHexprogek: form info isn't stored in history or cookies07:11
progekah ok07:11
progekwhere is form data stored?07:12
NixHexlooking for exact location07:12
progekthanks07:12
dukemust be a config file..07:12
NixHexsettings > configuration > web behavior07:12
chavoprogek, ~/.kde/share/apps/khtml/formcompletions07:12
progekthanks a ton guys07:13
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progekI noticed a few days ago trying to remove konqueror will remove kubuntu-desktop. So everything is pretty dependent on it?07:14
Bearcatalright, my experiance with udev is limited. What rule do i change so that /dev/sg0 and /dev/scd0 are group "burning"07:15
NixHexanyone know how to get konqueror to select all when clicking url bar? don't like double click07:15
BearcatNixHex: click and drag?07:17
NixHex....no, single click and have it all selected07:17
NixHexno dragging07:17
flaccidthat would be a pain07:17
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flaccidactually it be ok if right click was cursor at position07:18
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flaccidi'm out07:18
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deus_07:19
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unholyskornhow do i share a drive over the network07:19
deus17 /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <smoke>07:19
deus17opps07:19
deus17hehe07:19
unholyskorni try to do it using properties but it says i need permissions07:19
stdindeus17: time for a new password :P07:20
BearcatNixHex: i don't think you can. You can right-click and "select all"07:20
deus17yepp i change it right now ^^07:20
deus17hehe07:20
NixHexunholyskorn: how are you trying to share?07:20
Bearcatanyone feel like helping me with a udev issue? I want to change the group on my cd devices to "burning"07:20
unholyskorni want my xbox to pick it up07:20
unholyskornthrough workgroup smb share or anything07:21
NixHexbearcat: thats not single click...but yeah figured you can't ...but someone could have different info07:21
stdinBearcat: I'm no expert (by a long way), but maybe in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules change "ATTR{type}=="5",                        GROUP="cdrom"" to "ATTR{type}=="5",                        GROUP="burning""07:22
NixHexunholyskorn: don't think you can, Xbox will only speak to windows (XP even requires a driver for it)07:22
Bearcatstdin: sweet I'll try that07:22
unholyskornyou can make a smb server or whatever in linux07:22
stdinNixHex: tried asking in #kde ?07:23
unholyskorngot it, smbfs07:23
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NixHexstdin: for the single click thing?07:24
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stdinNixHex: yeah, they'd know more about the inner workings of konq there07:24
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NixHexunholyskorn: smbfs got xbox to see it? cause I have always had smbfs and have to get Xbox to see it, but it never has07:26
NixHexhave yet**07:27
unholyskornall you gotta do is install a smb server for linux, then goto properties on the drive and manage it07:27
NixHexstdin: true, that would be smart07:27
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nonuda_stdin, can u assist me to follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies07:30
stdinnonuda_: I can try07:30
nonuda_ok now can i PM u? or we do it in here?07:32
NixHexdon't know what unholy skorn was talking about....but Xbox cannot connect to a linux machine yet....07:32
c0nv1ctan xbox running linux?07:32
d0uglashow can i go about burning a .dmg (mac image)?07:32
stdinnonuda_: in here is probably better, so others can jump in if they have info07:32
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fritk3b d0uglas ?07:33
deus17anyone here that are good in C?07:33
NixHexc0nv1ct: no, xbox to connect to a linux computer....an xbox running linux is easy07:33
egergHow can I have verbose text output on startup/shutdown?07:33
d0uglask3b: thanks.. didn't know it could do dmgs07:33
Hasrat_USAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHAdVv6KFJc07:33
d0uglasor is an image an image07:33
deus17is here anybody who know something about .c?07:34
deus17c++?07:34
friti don't know d0uglas sorry :/07:34
egergum, go to #c++07:34
fritlol egerg07:34
deus17ok07:34
deus17thx07:34
egergnow gimme verbose on startup07:34
egergi wanna see what it does07:35
egerg>_<07:35
egergdurrr07:35
egergi am retarded07:35
egerg"no splash" is an option in system manager07:35
egerg*system settings07:35
stdinegerg: remove "splash" and possably "quiet" from the kernel options in /boot/grub/menu.lst07:36
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nonuda_stdin, i can't get the usb-uhci, usb-storage and usbcore, dead link! can we step this proces? since i have copy the iso file in one of my partition hd?07:38
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stdinnonuda_: what part of the guide are you on?07:39
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nonuda_https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies --- Setting up for Pre-Installation07:40
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nonuda_stdin, i mean skip this proces since i have the iso file in one of my partition hdd07:43
stdinnonuda_: hmm, I'm pretty sure you can skip it07:44
nonuda_coz the those usb file are needed to transfer the iso file07:44
stdinnonuda_: yeah07:44
deus17how to install flash player with command?07:45
Bearcatstdin: These are sata devices, but i think i get it just looking at the file. Thank you.07:45
deus17sudo apt-get install flashplayer ?07:45
deus17does not work ...07:46
stdindeus17: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree07:46
nonuda_ok then, but i confuse in the Pre-Installation step...where should i begin? i have boot my laptop using tombrtBt floppy disk07:46
stdinBearcat: sata uses the scsi subsystem, so it should work07:47
deus17does not work stdin :/07:47
stdindeus17: you need to enable multiverse then07:47
deus17how does i do that?07:47
stdin!repos | deus1707:47
ubotudeus17: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu07:47
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deus17thx07:48
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JoshooaIf I install Kubuntu from CD, will I still have all the Gnome stuff that comes with Ubuntu, or just KDE stuff?07:49
NixHexok, #ubuntu+1 is way to quiet....anyone using feisty and network printer using LPD?07:49
Joshooaand I mean from DVD07:50
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NightBirduh...07:50
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NightBirdJoshooa: you'll have the kde stuff installed, but the dvd will probably have gnome-desktop as well07:50
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NightBirdso you could install that package from the dvd and be ready to go07:50
deathnotehow to grep more than 1 string ? eg: grep abc *         and         grep xyz *       together07:50
yettenetHow can I disable the notifications of giving/taking voice?07:51
JoshooaNightBird: I don't want Gnome stuff, it doesn't work in Kubuntu anyway07:51
yettenetIn Konversation, I mean07:51
NightBirdJoshooa: uh... yes it would assuming you have the libraries installed07:51
dave_hey all07:51
NightBirdhi dave_07:51
JoshooaNightBird: No, they don't. I used Ubuntu and they worked, the games and stuff, went to Kubuntu, they don't07:51
stdinnonuda_: seeing as you already have the iso on the disk, move to the "Booting into the Installation" section, you'll need to replace /vmlinuz with the place you saved the iso files to, eg: if you saved it to C:\kubuntu\ then it'll be /kubuntu/vmlinuz and do the same with the /initrd.img part07:51
dave_umm im new to this kubuntu and im having a tad of trouble getting things happening07:52
NightBirdJoshooa: there is no reason why gnome programs wouldn't work in kde assuming that all of the libraries are installed07:52
JoshooaNightBird: Nothing from Gnome works, it just opens grey screens and I have to terminate them07:52
c0nv1ctlike what dave_07:52
nonuda_ok..07:52
Joshooa!kde07:52
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.07:52
JoshooaNightBird: They worked, I did that sudo apt thing there, and now they don't07:52
JoshooaNightBird: Unless I go back to using Gnome07:52
stdindeathnote: egrep '(abc|xyz)' filename07:52
JoshooaNightBird: But I'd rather just not install them, so if I use the Kubuntu, can I choose not to install them?07:53
NightBirdJoshooa: so you installed kde from ubuntu, and gnome programs stoped working in kde..07:53
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dave_ummm.. i need to get synaptic i think, i used this program a few months ago and one again i am  sick of windows so i wanna try this again07:53
JoshooaNightBird: Yes07:53
NightBirdkubuntu has it's own variants of all of the basic programs07:53
dave_just cant remeber the codes i need07:53
NightBirdthat use kde07:53
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c0nv1ctdave_: synaptic package manager?07:53
JoshooaThat's what I thought07:53
NightBirdso you probably won't have many gnome programs07:53
JoshooaSo I was hoping I just wouldn't have any of the Gnome stuff so I wouldn't have to worry about it07:53
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JoshooaGood, I thought it might just install them all, cause I had heard that the Gnome stuff should be working07:54
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JoshooaSo I figured I'd get Gnome and KDE stuff07:54
c0nv1ctdave_: what are you trying to accomplish?07:54
dave_yep thats it but last time i did it i realt stuffed the source code up and somone just ended up giving me there source code for it sorry i dont understand all this yet cant remeber this much07:54
nonuda_stdin, so now i insert the grub disk right? and turn off the laptop then turn it on again...07:54
c0nv1ctdave_: if you are running Kubuntu, use Adept Manager instead07:55
stdinnonuda_: yeah07:55
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dave_umm toget get different softare on a thats what i used last time , but cant remeber how i  got it last time07:55
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c0nv1ctdave_: are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu?07:55
dave_Kubuntu!07:55
c0nv1ctdave_: then use Adept Manager, its the same as synaptic, but for KDE07:55
c0nv1ctdave_: its under07:56
c0nv1ctdave_: System in the menu07:56
thomaxc0nv1ct: synaptic just works fine under kde to07:56
nonuda_stdin, my laptop won't boot from grub disk, hmm what's wrong?07:56
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premier_hello,  I just had Krita crash while trying to load a very large image.  I think the problem may be that linux is not detecting my computer's swap partition, so it ran out of memory07:56
dave_ok and  every thing thats availible to download is on that yeh?07:56
c0nv1ctthomax: yeah, but why use it, when Adept Manager works just as good, and is for QTR07:56
NightBirddave_: yes07:56
c0nv1ctQT*07:56
nonuda_my laptop boot to the OS chooser07:56
dave_awww i remember why now !07:57
yettenetCan anyone tell me how to disable notifications of giving/taking voice in Konversation?07:57
thomaxc0nv1ct: I personally find it easyer to use07:57
NightBirdnonuda_: so it's botting from the disk you installed grub to?07:57
c0nv1ctdave_: they both do the same thing, one is written for Gnome, the other for KDE, both will work though07:57
dave_i couldnt get my mp3's to play07:57
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stdinnonuda_: did you make the disks right, by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy too?07:57
dave_ahh ok07:57
premier_nightbird: is it under settings>notifications?07:57
NightBird!mp307:57
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats07:57
thomaxdave_: install mp3 support07:57
NightBirdpremier_: wha?07:57
nonuda_stdin, yes...07:58
deus17before i go to work i have one last question ^^07:58
premier_NightBird: on the menu bar, go to settings, and go to configure notifications07:58
nonuda_how to check it in my kubuntu box?07:58
deus17how does i get world of warcraft on ubuntu system???07:58
c0nv1ctthomax: i find Adept to be a bit more robust, but its all up to personal preference07:58
NightBirdpremier_: wrong person07:58
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stdinnonuda_: and is the laptop set to boot from the floppy drive first? in the bios?07:58
premier_oh sorry07:58
thomaxc0nv1ct: yes indeed :)07:58
dave_OK ILL HAVE A TRY07:58
dave_:) THANKS07:58
NightBirddeus17: that would require wine07:58
premier_man, trick of the eyes07:58
deus17thats all?07:58
c0nv1ctdeus17: use wine or some other windows emulator07:58
nonuda_stdin, yup07:58
stdinc0nv1ct: wine is not a windows emulator07:59
NightBirddeus17: yeah... there are other variants of the windows api, some focus on games over general improvements07:59
premier_c0nv1ct: what other windows emulators are there, besides wine derivatives07:59
deathnoteooooooooo thanks stdin07:59
NightBirdbut wine is the base for many of those07:59
premier_"compatablity layer"07:59
nonuda_its must be the grub boot disk...how to check it?08:00
c0nv1ctthere is Cedega, and Crossover08:00
Hasrat_USAI typed grep python but it showed no result. why?08:00
premier_so, does anyone know about my swap file problem?08:00
NightBirdwine is not an emulator << yeay for recursive acronyms08:00
NightBirdc0nv1ct: both are based on wine08:00
c0nv1cttrue08:00
c0nv1ctbut Cedega goes a bit further, at a price08:00
NightBirdthey just have more specific focuses rather than general use08:01
stdinnonuda_: let me check08:01
c0nv1ctthough Crossover is going more gaming, dunno how good it is though08:01
deathnote<stdin> deathnote: egrep '(abc|xyz)' filename <-- can i have  abc AND xyz instead of abc OR xyz ?08:01
premier_swap file is more or less equivalent to virtual memory in windows, right?08:01
NightBirdpremier_: you mean the swap partition?08:01
premier_oh, yeah duh08:02
premier_swap file= windows.  I just noobed myself08:02
NightBirdc0nv1ct: of course, everyone complains about not being able to play windows games on linux/macs... so there is a demand for getting those to work :P08:02
NightBirdpremier_: yes, the swap is used for virtual memory08:02
stdindeathnote: there is probably a better way than this, but you can do "grep abc filename|grep xyz"08:02
premier_NightBird: do you have any idea why linux my not be recognizing my swap?08:02
c0nv1ctNightBird: exactly, i have a $300 Logitech G25 sitting here wanting to be used08:02
NightBirdpremier_: if the partition got overwritten for some reason..08:02
Bearcatstdin: i got it!! Thankx08:03
premier_NightBird: it shouldnt have been08:03
stdinBearcat: :)08:03
NightBirdpremier_: then also check to see if it's being mounted as swap08:03
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premier_NightBird: should a swap partition show up in df -h?08:03
c0nv1ctso if you dont call wine a windows emulator, what do you call it? a windows APi implementation?08:03
NightBirdif the fstab isn't setup to mount it as swap, it won't use it08:03
intelikeyanyone have a /dev/js0  ?08:03
NightBirdpremier_: dunno..08:03
premier_c0nv1ct: "compatibility layer"08:03
NightBirdpremier_: my laptop is currently in Windows..08:03
intelikeypremier_ no swap doesn't show in df08:04
intelikeypremier_ free will show swap stats08:04
NightBirdpremier_: I do know it should be in the file that shows what to mount on startup08:04
intelikeycalled   /etc/fstab08:04
premier_Swap:            0          0          008:04
premier_epic fail08:05
intelikeyswapon08:05
intelikeyif you want it turned on.08:05
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premier_intelikey: will that carry over on the next reboot?08:06
intelikeypremier_ no.  as NightBird said add an entry in /etc/fstab08:06
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intelikey /dev/<device>  none swap swap 0 0         iirc08:07
intelikeywhere <device> is the device node of your swap partition   (assuming a partition)08:08
intelikeycould be a file.08:08
deus17does wine make a small windows map on C:08:08
deus17?08:08
veganrihi, somehow my grub windows startup got messed up, can anyone help08:08
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veganriwhere should i paste what it says, i dont want to spam the room08:08
nonuda_!pastebin08:09
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)08:09
intelikeydeus17 wine gennelly uses ~/.wine/C:/   or  /var/lib/wine/C:    i think...08:09
veganrithank you, will get it to you in a minute08:09
deus17okey ... :)08:09
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deus17thanks for all help.. now ill run to work.08:10
deus17cya guys08:10
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deathnoteis windows vista stable?08:10
deus17haha no way!08:10
veganrino death08:10
deathnotei going to buy a laptop but it comes with vista only...08:10
veganrigive it a year or so08:10
premier_intelikey: no, I change the /dev/sda4 line in /etc/fstab to none swap swap 00 iirc?08:10
deus17windows vista is no good idea.. i only heard crap about it, i only read crap about it.. and bill gates still smile! :)08:10
nonuda_stdin?08:10
deathnotebut i rather opt for kubuntu or something..haha08:10
c0nv1ctdeus17: ~/.wine/drive_c08:11
c0nv1ctin ubuntu08:11
deus17thx08:11
deus17cya08:11
intelikeypremier_ grep swap /etc/fstab08:11
intelikeypremier_ and not "00" but "0 0"08:11
premier_deathnote: somebody in australia was able to get a refund when they uninstalled windows from their computer08:11
veganrihttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9197/08:12
Hasrat_USApremier_: old news08:12
premier_UUID=07fcf7d7-4b46-4192-926c-1ca325b9c9fd none            swap    sw              0       008:12
veganrithat is what it says when i try to boot windows from grub08:12
deathnotepremier_: i've recently bought an acer laptop (half a year ago) but i don't really use the windows xp.. they don't give me the cd too..its in one of the service partition08:12
veganrimy laptop is acer too08:13
stdinnonuda_: did you use the same disk for TomsRtBt and grub?08:13
deathnotepremier_: i removed the service partition and unsintall windows to use kubuntu..08:13
nonuda_no..i used different floppy08:13
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veganriheheh nb08:13
Hasrat_USAthey would give you a refund (they are bound to) if you can prove, in real world, that you didn't use it and pressed cancel when the EULA came up on the screen08:13
nonuda_TomsRtBt boots well08:13
NightBirdtook me about two weeks to get things mostly working08:14
deathnoteand i'm trying to get acer to give me the windows xp's CD..but they ask me to go to their service center and FORMAT the whole harddisk with their original setup (with the stupid service partition in)08:14
deathnotecrazy08:14
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m0ns00nHey08:14
veganrithe acer works generally well08:14
m0ns00nIs it possible to have both amarok and firefox with flashplugin making sound at the same time?08:14
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NightBirdm0ns00n, depends on which audio system you're using08:14
deathnoteHasrat_USA: do i write to the manufacturer or microsoft ?08:14
intelikeyveganri line 4  should be a comment    prepend #08:14
stdinnonuda_: try making the grub disk again08:14
Hasrat_USAsame with dell deathnote. When i bought the laptop from them, the installation CD for the OS didn't come with it, nor did i ask them to give me one. but when i bought a desktop, it came with driver and OS reinstallation CDs08:14
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m0ns00nNightBird: 1. How can I set that up for flash, 2. Does Kubuntu run many alternatives?08:15
chavom0ns00n, is it flash 9?08:15
deathnoteHasrat_USA: do u manage to get a refund or something for your dell laptop?08:15
NightBirdm0ns00n: Kubuntu runs ALSA and OSS(though, I'm guessing it's actually a wrapper around the ALSA library)08:15
NightBirdand I think alsa supports multiple audio streams...08:15
nonuda_stdin, have tried that, but still not work...i mount the disk and i can see /boot/grub directory and stage1 and stage2 file08:15
Hasrat_USAwriting to MS would result in them telling you to contact your OEM/manufacturer. Yes, your PC's manufacturer would give you the refund08:15
veganrii'll try that inkey08:16
intelikeyveganri oh wait.  that asn't from the menu.lst was it...    hmmm08:16
premier_intelikey: If I change my fstab file, and I make a mistake, what will happen?  Will it fail to boot?08:16
veganrino, that was the error message after i clicked the windows in boot08:16
intelikeyveganri  that's what it said at boot time....     hmmm08:16
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Hasrat_USAdeathnote nope in both cases as i never claimed for a refund.08:16
Hasrat_USAit is because i had already pressed accept08:16
stdinnonuda_: did you do the grub part too, when you use "sudo -s" and "grub" ?08:17
veganrii wonder if autoexec or config.sys might be damaged, but that is just one guess08:17
deathnoteHasrat_USA: did u attempt to get the windows installation CD for the laptop?08:17
Hasrat_USAi came to know about ubuntu 3 weeks ago08:17
intelikeyveganri the partition type  looks odd   0xc   ?08:17
veganrii dont know enough to answer that inkey08:17
veganriit might be trying to boot the wrong one ?08:17
intelikeyveganri no it's a read error  not a file error  best i can tell08:17
Hasrat_USAdeathnote no but they (dell) made a different partition of 2 GB on my HDD and copied the CD along with drivers onto it08:17
nonuda_stdin, do the grub part too? don't know what u mean, but i use sudo -s before mk2fs08:18
NightBirddeathnote: you a fan of the anime/manga by the same name as your nick?08:18
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Hasrat_USAby the way can anyone tell me some names of movies related to hacking, cracking BSh)@$*ng etc that i haven't watched yet but should watch?08:18
deathnoteNightBird: not really a fan..but i like that anime (in movie)08:19
intelikeylooks like 0xc may be   0C   in which case fat3208:19
NightBirdHasrat_USA: hackers?08:19
stdinnonuda_: step 4 on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy08:19
NightBirddeathnote: ah...08:19
veganriwargames is a neat hacking movie08:19
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userundI <3 wargames08:19
veganriinteresting ink08:19
deathnoteNightBird: watch the movie ..its nice08:20
m0ns00nNightBird: The oss in Kubuntu is a wrapper.08:20
veganrishall we play a game08:20
m0ns00nNightBird: But still I only can have one sound source with most apps, and they will claim the dsp08:20
userundhow about a nice game of chess?08:20
NightBirddeathnote: really, I heard that it was pretty bad, with bad acting and what not08:20
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Hasrat_USAthat's the dumbest movie i ever saw. the kid (hero) sucks to death and doesn't know crap about acting lol. and the whole movie is funny and hilarious but it's a total waste of time and money08:20
NightBird(at least from my japanese suiet mate... I've downloaded the movie, but I haven't watched it...)08:20
intelikeyveganri dosfsck -n /dev/hda208:21
userundHasrat_USA, there's hackers 208:21
userundabout kevin mitnick08:21
NightBirduserund: jees, they made a sequel?08:21
nonuda_stdin, nup..i missed that one sorry...i do it now08:21
Hasrat_USAyou guys remember that dialog when in the movie 'hackers' they breach into the system and the villain says "run an antivirus, give me a system display" lol08:21
userundNightBird, not exactly a 'sequel' because the storylines are totally different, basically living off the original's name08:22
intelikeyveganri or venella    fsck -n /dev/hda208:22
veganripasting the results08:22
NightBirduserund: jeez.... they should have renamed it.... hackers didn't do too well, did it?08:22
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Hasrat_USAuserund: you're talking about hackers 2 operational takedown (on kevin mitnick)?08:22
veganrihttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9198/08:22
nonuda_done..08:22
userundNightBird, they kinda did rename it, Hackers 2: Takedown http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159784/08:22
veganriwhich movie was angelina in08:22
Hasrat_USAi have watched wargames. now this is a movie that at least teaches something!08:23
Hasrat_USAveganri: hackers08:23
veganrioh cool08:23
Hasrat_USAthe worst piece of crap ever!08:23
veganrishe looked good in that movie08:23
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veganrilol08:23
Hasrat_USAi only liked the scene where the hero was fiddling around with some unix books. only that part was real lol08:23
deathnotedo u watch bleach?08:24
intelikeyveganri   may i sujest you      man dosfsck     and make sure that  -n  means don't change anything only check.   and run that as root.   "sudo"08:24
userundHasrat_USA, there's also Revolution OS, a story about the hackers behind GNU and Linux08:24
nonuda_stdin, ok now it boot from grub disk08:24
NightBirddeathnote: nah, I stoped after they left the manga storyline... I've been reading the manga however08:24
Hasrat_USAi got revolution OS too. downloaded it from google video lo08:24
Hasrat_USAlol08:24
[StingRay] Hi all, can somebody tell if I can benchmark somehow my CPU or system?08:24
veganripretend i dont know anything about programming linux, because i dont08:24
Hasrat_USAanother one i liked seriously was the code linux08:24
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stdinnonuda_: do you know what to do now?08:25
intelikeyveganri and sorry i don't have any man pages yet installed.   or i would have checked for you.08:25
veganribig thing just came up08:25
Hasrat_USAi got all the videos of richard stallman that you can find in google video08:25
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userundHasrat_USA, ah, hadn't heard of that one08:25
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Hasrat_USAuserund: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-349822824541574597708:26
intelikeyveganri in the "less" pager use the arrow keys to navagate    and   [q]    to exit when you finish.08:26
Hasrat_USAafter u go there, click on download for windows/mac08:26
userundHasrat_USA, thanks08:26
veganrisays reformatting dosfsck (8), please wait08:26
nonuda_stdin, ok i know i should type the command line according to my directory of  vmlinuz and kernel right?08:26
veganrithat doesnt sound good08:27
stdinnonuda_: yeah08:27
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intelikeyyeah but it should be done by now.08:27
Hasrat_USAan hour long documentary on linux...featuring linux torvald, the god of GNU/Linux stallman and hacker steve raymond08:27
intelikeyveganri you did run that in a konsole ?08:27
veganriin the terminal08:28
intelikeyyes08:28
dave_hey would somone be able to give  me a hand?08:28
veganriyes, not all of it08:28
veganriis it ok to reset the terminal08:28
premier_How do I use swapon?08:28
userundsudo swapon /dev/[device] 08:28
intelikeysure08:29
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deathnoteis feisty herd released yet?08:30
dave_umm i really want to install synaptic i think its called only becasue i know how to use it a tade better then adept maneger08:30
stdindeathnote: which one?08:30
deathnotei think is 3.. i couldn't find in the download page of kubuntu08:30
Hasrat_USAdeath it would be released on april 7th08:30
stdindave_: you can use adept to install synaptic08:30
deathnotei need a fix for the screensaver that comes out to be "X" everytime08:30
stdindeathnote: herd 5 is out now08:30
Hasrat_USAi have set my cellphone to notify me so that i can just celebrate the day, although i wouldn't upgrade my current OS though :P08:31
dave_isnt there some sort if source that i have to change then use terminal to run it , sorry i am only new at this?>08:31
premier_deathnote: yeah, I want to fix that too.  Whats the deal with that?08:31
Hasrat_USAmy edgy eft with beryl and everything would run for the next 10 years08:31
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[StingRay] Hi stdin, how are you? :)08:31
stdindave_: no, you just install it, the run it from the Kmenu08:31
JoshooaCould someone talk with me and give me advice about installing Windows on my main 40GB and Kubuntu on my 200GB? I want to do some partitions and stuff and not sure how to do it08:31
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stdin[StingRay] : hi, not too bad :P you?08:31
Joshooaat least not sure if I'm sure08:32
intelikeyveganri i have installed mandb and the manpages  and have checked it is  -n that you want.     sudo dosfsck -n /dev/hda208:32
NixHexwe hope april 7th...they could postpone if they need to08:32
veganriso i just type this:  sudo dosfsck -n /dev/hda208:32
fritsome of you are playing at something ? if yes , which games ? :)08:32
intelikeyyep08:32
deathnotepremier_: if u asking me how to deal with it..i think the feisty might have a fix already..08:32
veganricool08:32
nonuda_stdin, it said cannot mount selected partition, i put kubuntu in c:\kubuntu and vmlinuz initrd are in c:\kubuntu\casper08:32
dave_ahh ok thanks illgive i a try and let you know if i get into trouble again  cheers08:32
stdinnonuda_: not c:\...08:33
deathnoteJoshooa: same harddisk?08:33
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[StingRay] Haven't seen you from a long time here...I am fine. I was having really bad time with GS and dapper. I managed to overcome the problem, but I think someone should release an official package.08:33
stdinnonuda_: like /kubuntu/vmlinuz08:33
intelikeythat will examine the fs on the partition you were trying to boot and report any errors it finds   but because of -n it wont do anything to the fs.  veganri08:33
Joshooadeathnote: No, 40GB HD and a 200GB, I want windows on the 40GB, 10 for Windows, 30 for Windows stuff I don't need in Linux08:33
[StingRay] gs-esp 8.15.2 is broken, stdin08:33
intelikeyveganri   so watch what it says.   that the information you want.08:33
Joshooadeathnote: Mainly with the 200GB, what's with making a root partition and a home partition?08:34
veganriit seems the hd is still going08:34
intelikeygive it time.08:34
Hasrat_USAif they postpone it that would be for the betterment of the release i believe08:34
Joshooadeathnote: And should I pre-partition my drives, or partition my 40 when I install windows, and then my 200 when I install Kubuntu?08:34
veganri: ] 08:34
stdin[StingRay] : is that edgy? I'm running 8.15.3.dfsg.1-2ubuntu3 here08:34
intelikeyveganri  that's simular to running  'chkdsk.exe'    or the old 'scandisk.exe'08:35
deathnoteJoshooa: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure08:35
stdin[StingRay] : (on feisty)08:35
[StingRay] nope, stdin:  Haven't seen you from a long time here...I am fine. I was having really bad time with GS and dapper. I managed to overcome the problem, but I think someone should release an official package.08:35
nonuda_stdin, first i type root (hd0,0) then kernel /kubuntu/casper/vmlinuz append vga=normal initrd=/kubuntu/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=16384 root=/dev/rd/0 rw --08:35
Joshooaok08:35
deathnoteJoshooa: u see everything under the directory structure except /home is the root partition08:35
veganrigood to know ikey08:35
deathnoteJoshooa: /home is home partition ..08:35
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[StingRay] dapper, stdin I just reposted, because I did not include your nick08:35
stdinnonuda_: not all on one line tho08:36
NixHexnever realized how much Linus Torvalds looks like my brother...08:36
deathnoteJoshooa: normally i would use about 5.5gb for / (root partition)08:36
veganrii feel very lost in linux, have not learned a new os since 199308:36
Joshooadeathnote: So.... is that sorta like Linux install, then my stuff? Cause right now I just have everything on a small 8GB partition from the 4008:36
deathnoteJoshooa: and the rest of the space for /home  , not forgetting swap partition08:36
stdin[StingRay] : I recently started a new job. so I haven't had as much time to be here as I used to, but I'm more used to the hours now08:36
deathnoteJoshooa: is ur windows on the 8gb partition ?08:37
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Joshooadeathnote: No08:37
nonuda_stdin do you mean i must type all in one line command?08:37
intelikeyveganri  first thing i always tell people is " forget everything you think you know about computers, you have to start from scratch just like the rest of us.  if you have this 'i should know this' attatude it only makes it harder on you"08:37
Joshooadeathnote: I have my 40GB cut up into an 8 and 30, about, Windows on the 30, linux on the 808:37
veganrihttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9199/08:37
Joshooadeathnote: Then everything else I have, install files for windows, pics, music, movies, CD images, on the 20008:38
veganrigood way to look at it08:38
deathnotedeathnote: u want windows and linux to share the 200 ????08:38
stdinnonuda_: no, 1st you type "root (hd0,0)" then press enter, then the kernel ... line etc08:39
NixHexok, watching streaming video on wireless internet...don't work08:39
Joshooadeathnote: No, windows on the 40, Linux and shared NTFS on the 20008:39
[StingRay] stdin, First I was having problems with some fonts when printing, only the first 50% were printed of each character. This was fixed when I downgraded to gs-esp 7.07. I have 7 pcs of Minolta 1400W and all of them refused to print second page until I installed gs 8.54 gpl from source08:39
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Joshooadeathnote: Cause with the 200, I'll have swap, root I guess, home, shared music/movies, and then another one for Documents and Pictures ie Personal Files08:40
intelikeyveganri  that error is simular to the old  file allocation tables mismatch   if you try to fix it you will probably loose data.   i sujest you use a windows recovery disk.   but that's as far as i go with windows help.   there is a  ##windows   help channel if you need info.08:40
intelikeyi think it two ##   may be one #  ...08:40
veganrity08:40
intelikeynp.08:40
veganriis there a windows linux help channel08:40
nonuda_stdin, thats what i have done, but for the 2nd command line it said cannot mount selected partition08:41
deathnoteJoshooa: ok i get it..08:41
stdin[StingRay] : I haven't actually needed to print anyting in a while, so I'm not sure if the problem is still in 8.15.308:41
[StingRay] stdin, congrats on you new work.08:41
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stdin[StingRay] : thanks :)08:41
[StingRay] I tried edgy, same problem, stdin08:41
intelikeythere is   ##windows    and  ##linux   and   ##linuxhelp   all here on frenode.net08:41
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veganricool08:42
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Pyros666-08:42
Joshooadeathnote: Good, cause I don't really, not sure how to install to a root and home partition, or how much room I should make for Kubuntu or anything, I feel confident getting the 40GB set up, but then to install Kubuntu right, I'm not quite sure08:42
deathnoteJoshooa: 1st harddisk = first partition 5.5gb ext3 for / (root partition)     2nd partition 34.5gb for windows)08:42
stdin[StingRay] : I'm on feisty, so it may have been fixes since, but I don't know08:42
veganrithank you again, i guess i'll just be watching here quietly08:42
intelikeywelcome.08:42
[StingRay] stdin, I can you advise of a method to benchmark my system with different kernels?08:42
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Joshooadeathnote: Why the root on the 40 not 200/08:42
stdinnonuda_: 1 sec, I'll have a look at something08:42
deathnoteJoshooa: because root contains the kernel and stuffs which takes very little space..and it can help u dual boot to windows too if its on the first partition.. correct me if i'm wrong08:43
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krautmoin08:43
deathnoteJoshooa: /home contains all the misc stuffs like movies mp3s docs etc08:43
Joshooadeathnote: Not sure, I was told I could install Kubuntu on my 200 (D:) drive and Grub would still ask if I want to dual boot08:43
intelikeyanyone have a /dev/js0  standard gameport device ?     i would like the output of  ls -l  /dev/js0   please08:43
[StingRay] stdin, cupsys 1.2.8 is great (it has a bug fix due to my post http://forums.freestandards.org/read.php?27,229 ). I will move to feisty, once it is stable.08:44
Joshooadeathnote: Well the movies and mp3 I want on a shared NTFS partition, so windows and LInux can see them, as well as other computers on my network, all using Windows08:44
deathnoteJoshooa: u can have /home on the 200gb .. but / (root) should be at the first partition of 40gb..08:44
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dave_<intelikey> arrgg still not working :(08:45
deathnoteJoshooa: but u must allocate some space for /home too..ext3 filesystem08:45
intelikeyJoshooa i have linux installed on sda  and  hda is the boot device.   the boot loader doesn't really care where the system is as long as it can read it.08:45
Joshooadeathnote: But that will make installing windows on it harder for me, cause I'm not sure how to partition all my space for windows and kubuntu at  o nce08:45
stdinnonuda_: change "root=/dev/rd/0" to "root=/dev/ram"08:45
intelikeydave_ what's that ?08:45
nonuda_ok08:45
Joshooaintelikey: and sda means?08:45
dave_my mp3 i suck so much at this os08:45
intelikeyscsi first device in this case.08:45
dave_i cant get anything to play08:46
nonuda_still it said cannot mount selected partition08:46
Joshooaintelikey: All I know is my usb key is sda1 here08:46
stdinnonuda_: you may also need to add "ramdisk_size=1048576" before the "root=/dev/ram" part08:46
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intelikeydave_ ah mp3's   did you go to the wiki page on that ?08:46
intelikey!mp3 | dave_08:46
ubotudave_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:46
deathnotestdin: grub / lilo should be on the first partition of the first harddisk (or boot device) right?08:46
nonuda_stdin, still the same08:46
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dave_hmm ill have a read08:46
premier_how can I upgrade to ked 3.5.6?08:46
stdindeathnote: default is to have it in the MBR08:47
premier_kde 3.5.6?08:47
stdin!kde | premier_08:47
ubotupremier_: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.08:47
intelikeyJoshooa yes usb uses the scsi interface08:47
intelikeyJoshooa so does sata08:47
deathnoteis master boot record on the first partition?08:47
Joshooaintelikey: oh ok08:47
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stdindeathnote: no, of the disk08:47
stdindeathnote: it's before the 1st partition08:47
intelikeydeathnote no it's not on a partition  it's the first 512 bytes of the disk.08:48
intelikeyMBR08:48
deathnoteso grub is located there?08:48
intelikeyyes the executabe part08:48
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_4strOyop08:49
intelikeyor should be, if you want grub to be the primary boot loader08:49
stdinnonuda_: try "kernel /kubuntu/casper/vmlinuz append boot=casper initrd=/kubuntu/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash --"08:49
deathnoteintelikey: is there a way to see what's in my MBR ?08:50
nonuda_ok08:50
deathnoteor modify it08:50
intelikeyit is possable to copy the mbr from one disk to another...  generally such actions should be done by professenals or people who don't care about their data...08:50
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deathnotedoes it mean /boot/grub is in MBR??08:50
intelikeydeathnote dd if=/dev/hda count=1 | less08:51
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intelikeydeathnote no /boot* is on a partition08:51
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nonuda_still canot unmount the selected partition08:52
intelikeyand that assumed hda ^  could be sda08:52
nonuda_i mean mount08:52
intelikeynonuda_ what partition ?08:52
intelikeynonuda_ what specifics ?08:52
nonuda_ntfs08:52
premier_should adept show "kde" as not being installed?08:53
premier_Im using kde 3.5.508:53
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premier_what will happen if I have adept install kde?////08:53
[StingRay] stdin, can you tell me the configure options for cups and dapper. I tried to install 1.2.8 on dapper, but it still shows 1.2.208:53
deathnoteok, so default when we install kubuntu, grub is written onto MBR, so that means there is no need for / partition to be on the first partition?08:53
Joshooadeathnote: Are you getting my messages back? It's telling my I'm unregistered and blocked08:53
stdinpremier_: "kde" is a meta package, it isn't actually kde, kubuntu uses "kubuntu-desktop"08:53
intelikeynonuda_ ok that the fs type.   now where is it ?   /dev/hda1 maybe ?       and where do you want to mount it ?08:53
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premier_stdin: I couldnt find kubuntu-desktop in adept08:54
deathnoteJoshooa: no message back.. u shd /msg nickserv register xyz08:54
brittI'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages08:54
intelikeydeathnote correct.08:54
brittwhat gives?08:54
Joshooadeathnote: I am registered though08:54
Joshooadeathnote: And I can't talk to nickserv when I am on Kopete08:54
deathnoteJoshooa: /msg nickserv identify password ?08:54
stdinpremier_: it's there, unless you're not using kubuntu08:54
nonuda_intelikey, i was try to boot my laptop using grub..according to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies08:54
intelikeynonuda_ ah in grub ?08:55
premier_stdin: I cant get it to update to kde3.5.6.  It thinks that kubuntu desktop is the newest version08:55
deathnoteby default when we first install windows, a boot loader is installed on MBR too right?08:55
Joshooadeathnote: I can''t it just opens a blank chat window with myself08:55
nonuda_yup08:55
stdinintelikey: btw, that page is way out-of-date08:55
intelikeystdin grub may be too...08:55
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brittI'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages08:55
stdinpremier_: are you on edgy?08:56
deathnoteJoshooa: ok i guess what u have to do is allocate some space for / partition and some space for /home partition08:56
premier_stdin: yeah08:56
stdinpremier_: read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php08:56
deathnoteJoshooa: it will be easier if u install windows first, and then install kubuntu (if u want grub to be the boot loader)08:56
nonuda_stdin, any more idea?08:56
deathnote!identify08:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about identify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:56
Joshooadeathnote: I do, but then does that mean in the windows install, I have to delete my partitions, make 1 5.5GB raw one, then install windows to the other part, and then when I install Kubuntu, select that 5.5 as raw and make a new partition in the 200 for home?  And how big should home be?08:57
stdinnonuda_: what happens when you type "root (<tab><tab>" where <tab> is the actual tab key ?08:57
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nonuda_it said "Posible commands are : root rootnoverify"08:58
brittI'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages08:58
deathnoteJoshooa: yes.. during windows install u can allocate eg: 30gb for your ntfs windows system to install on08:58
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intelikeynonuda_ ok tell me what you have got there and i'll see what i cna come up with.   you are at the grub prompt of a boot floppy now ?08:58
stdinnonuda_: did you put a space then a ( after root ?08:58
deathnoteJoshooa: and during kubuntu installation u can setup the raw 5.5 partition for / and.. /home on the 200gb..how big it should be..depends08:58
deathnoteJoshooa: 10gb should be more than enough..depends..08:59
nonuda_i'm at the grub prompt i just type root (hd0,0)08:59
intelikeystdin he should be able to "find vmlinuz*"  no ?08:59
Joshooadeathnote: cause I have a lot available, from what i saw, I want at least 100GB for my music and movies and TV shows, and with 20GB just for my personal documents, that still leaves me with 80GB for home09:00
nonuda_enter then the kernel command line just like u said09:00
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Joshooaroughly speaking09:00
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stdinintelikey: should be able to, yeah09:01
Joshooadeathnote: I don't know if 10GB is enough though, cause I was download stuff with Torrents, and with 4 shows and a Kubuntu DVD image, my disk was full09:01
[StingRay] Can somebody help me ./configure cups 1.2.8?09:01
nonuda_stdin, i think the problem is the grub can't mount hd0,009:01
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nonuda_hd0,0 is my c drive in windows rigght?09:02
deathnoteJoshooa: where do u use to download music and movies? kubuntu or windows?09:02
JoshooaI also don't get why I can message ubout just fine09:02
unholyskornim updating a program and i need help09:02
unholyskornit tries to update, and it shows some messages that i dont know how to fix09:02
Joshooadeathnote: Windows, but I only started using Kubuntu this week09:02
deathnoteJoshooa: oh.. in that case u allocate more for /home then.. :>09:02
intelikeystdin when i asked him what he was doing i didn't notice you were helping him... i'm not trying to "but in"    just mentioned the find command.  i'll let you help him.09:02
unholyskorncan someone PM me please09:02
deathnote!ntfs09:02
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse09:02
stdinnonuda_: yeah, what about if you type "kernel /<tab>" ?09:02
nonuda_ok try it now09:03
Joshooadeathnote: Okay, so 80GB for home wouldn't be too much would it? Because home is also where installed programs would be, right?09:03
deathnoteJoshooa: to write into ntfs from linux, u need some other stuffs09:03
stdinintelikey: don't worry, any help you can give will be great, it's getting frustrating09:03
deathnoteJoshooa: no installed programs will be in / partition09:03
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deathnoteam i right?09:03
Joshooadeathnote: I'm doing it right now, taking stuff from my 200GB, and copying them over the network to a shared folder on my room mates NTFS windows hard drive09:03
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nonuda_nothing happen just grub>kernel09:03
intelikeystdin i'll try to follow what the two of you do and if i see anything i'll mention it.09:04
Joshooadeathnote: Then wouldn't I want a lot more than 5.5GB free then?09:04
stdinnonuda_: and if you press tab again?09:04
deathnoteintelikey: installed programs will be in / partition right?09:04
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nonuda_oh no....it said " Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist"09:04
intelikeydeathnote yes   /usr  mostly09:04
stdinnonuda_: oh, ok, type "kernal /" then tab09:05
deathnoteintelikey: will 5.5gb be enough? for me..it never exceed before after installing so many applciations..09:05
intelikeyunholyskorn ok stop no.09:05
deathnoteunless u using it as a web server then can make /var in another partition09:05
nonuda_kernal?? not kernel?09:05
intelikeynow.09:05
unholyskornwhy are you being such a fucking dick09:05
unholyskornthe reason why i wanted someone to pm me was because i didnt want to spam the channel with the error messages09:05
Joshooadeathnote: Well like right now, I only have 8GB set aside for Kubuntu, and also some swap but I forgot how bug, and I have root and home on it, and it was full just now cause I had one DVD image on my desktop09:05
nonuda_kernal --> nothing happen09:05
deathnoteJoshooa: /dev/hda1             5.5G  3.3G  2.0G  63% / (this is my / partition for over 3-4 months)09:06
intelikeydeathnote should be yes.  only reason it might get that high is not clearing the apt cache09:06
stdinnonuda_: no, I meant type "kernel /" then tab, not kernal :P09:06
nonuda_oh ok09:06
deathnote!! haha09:06
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about haha - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:06
intelikey!pastebin | unholyskorn09:06
ubotuunholyskorn: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)09:06
Hasrat_USAi need to find a bug in ubuntu or else im gonna get bored to death :(09:06
Joshooaintelikey: But what about downloading stuff and installing a lot of programs, wouldn't that end up to more than 5.5GB?09:06
deathnoteJoshooa: how much ram do u have?09:06
nonuda_stdin, it said "error 17: Cannot mount selected partition"09:06
Joshooadeathnote: 640MB, why?09:07
deathnoteJoshooa: i suggest ram x 2 = swap partition09:07
Joshooadeathnote: I'll up it to 2GB when I get the money09:07
deathnotethat's what i heard09:07
unholyskornthanks for explaining that ubotu instead of just being a dick09:07
stdinnonuda_: ahh, that's the problem then, seems grub can't read ntfs09:07
deathnoteintelikey: any suggestion on how big swap partition should be?09:07
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Joshooadeathnote: Yeah, I'm just going to do 2GB, cause, well I have 200 I can use, and do plan to up my ram asap09:07
LL_Hakaisouis there a shell command for setting up power save?09:07
intelikeyJoshooa you would have to install a lot.   but there are that many packages yes.09:07
Joshooadeathnote: I agree, 2x is a good amount09:07
stdindeathnote: 1 to 2 size of RAM, the more RAM, the less swap09:08
LL_Hakaisoui seem to have ophaned my monitor and displays controls09:08
intelikeyJoshooa & deathnote heh swap.... lol09:08
deathnote1gb ram = 2gb swap ?09:08
stdindeathnote: no :P09:08
nonuda_stdin, ok let say i have another ext3 partition in that hd, how if i put vmlinuz and initrd in it?09:08
deathnotealthough i have 1gb ram i use 1gb for swap only09:08
intelikey1g ram = 0 swap   imo09:08
stdindeathnote: with 1gb ram, you won't need much swap09:08
LL_Hakaisoui got 2 gigs of ram and 1 gig of swap, how's that sound?09:08
deathnotehaha.....09:08
nonuda_i can put them in windows using norton partition magic09:08
LL_Hakaisounonuda_ | carefull, there is a reason why it's also called partition tragic09:09
deathnoteJoshooa: to be safe..leave 1 gb for swap.. and 7gb for your / partition then...since u have no use for those space09:09
stdinnonuda_: it may be better to make a fat32 partition, then copy the files there from windows09:09
intelikeyLL_Hakaisou 2g ram = 0 swap    imo   :)09:09
LL_Hakaisoumeh, it can't hurt09:09
LL_Hakaisoubesides, i'm not exactly choking for space09:10
intelikeybut the ubuntu team don't like me saying that you dont need swap.09:10
Joshooadeathnote: Well my 8gb is just a partition off of my 40GB, cause I didn't want to touch my 200GB as it's all just my keep folder, like documents, movies, programs, games and music09:10
intelikeyso i wont say it.09:10
stdindeathnote: with 1GB ram, 500MB swap is safe09:10
nonuda_ok, let said i have a fat32 partition and copy them into it but the root command will be not "root (hd0,0) again right?09:10
Joshooadeathnote: So when I reinstall windows, it will be erased as well, and I will only have windows, no Kubuntu09:10
intelikeyi run kde on a 64m ram   p1 box  with no swap  ...09:10
deathnotehow much should a / partition be?09:11
stdinnonuda_: yeah, it would be "root (hd0,1)" ,if the fat32 partition was the 2nd partition on the disk09:11
intelikeydeathnote depends on other partitions.   will /home be seperate ?   will /var  be seperate ?09:11
deathnoteintelikey: can i have /home on the same partition as / ??09:12
deathnoteOH09:12
deathnotezz09:12
intelikeydeathnote sure09:12
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deathnoteJoshooa: do u want /home and / together? u have to figure out how much /home u want09:12
nonuda_ok.. i understand now...switching my laptop back to XP...i'll get in to u if i have problem...thanks09:12
intelikeydeathnote the reason so many don't have /home on the same fs is to be able to reinstall without loosing personal files.09:12
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Joshooadeathnote: I don't see why not just have Windows on the 40GB HD, and Linux on the 200, and not mix them up09:13
deathnoteoh!! yesyes true09:13
deathnoteJoshooa: sure09:13
Joshooaintelikey: But, I will have the files I want to save on NTFS partitions on the 200GB, like 100GB for Media, and 20GB for documents/pictures09:13
deathnoteJoshooa: so u can have windows on first harddisk and linux on the 200 (4 partitions, / , /home , swap , ntfs)09:14
unholyskornhow do i install a .deb package?09:14
Joshooadeathnote: I mean I'm new so I want to learn everything I can and see your reasoning for wanting to do it that way, I just don't get it, and I also don't get what will change if root and home are on different physical drives09:14
intelikeyJoshooa that would work.  but if i did that i'd split up the big drive.    small 1g /boot as first primary and then extended / 9g  and the rest /home09:14
Joshooadeathnote:  Yeah pretty much09:14
_4strO!dpkg09:14
ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.09:14
frithow to recover deleted files plz ?09:14
_4strO!dpkg | unholyskorn09:14
ubotuunholyskorn: please see above09:14
fritis there a tool ?09:14
Joshooaintelikey: I need a boot partition too?09:14
deathnoteJoshooa: remember... u can only have 4 partitions on a single harddisk.. unless u use extended partition..09:14
unholyskornso, sudo dpkg FILENAME?09:15
_4strO...09:15
_4strOsudo dpkg -i PACKAGE09:15
unholyskornand thats it?09:15
stdin!deb | unholyskorn09:15
ubotuunholyskorn: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)09:15
_4strOi think so09:15
intelikeydeathnote that would work. to use the 40g for win and the big drive for linux...   but if i did that i'd split up the big drive.    small 1g /boot as first primary and then extended / 9g  and the rest /home09:15
unholyskorncause i did that, and it said unpacking and installing, but nothing else happened...09:15
frithow to recover deleted files plz ? is there a tool ?09:16
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intelikeyfrit ext3 ?09:16
Joshooadeathnote: Well, my original plan was for the 200GB, I'd have 2GB swap, 100GB for Music/Movies NTFS, 5GB for My Documents and My Pictures I saved in NTFS, and the rest for Kubuntu09:16
deathnoteJoshooa: /home contains your personal stuffs.. / partition contains the applications and kernel .. let's say something happen to ur kernel, u just need to reformat and install linux on / (takes about 30mins to 1 hour only) , without losing ur /home personal stuffs09:16
_4strOunholyskorn: try to run your application ...09:16
fritmmm09:16
fritwait gonna check that intelikey but i think it's ext309:16
stdinfrit: iirc, on ext3, it's nearly impossible to recover deleted files09:16
Joshooadeathnote: But anything I want saved, like music or whatever, will be on the NTFS shared partition anyway, and Pictures or files liek my resume, on the Documents one09:17
intelikeyfrit what fs are they deleted on ?  is it ext3 or reiserfs ?    if so forget it.09:17
deathnoteintelikey: /boot and / is seperated ?09:17
intelikeydeathnote i would.  you don't have to.09:17
JoshooaMan I am so glad that I am moving all these files I want to a whole nother computer, so I don't have to worry about fucking up09:17
frit:/ well ... thanks for answering stdin intelikey09:17
intelikeydeathnote we went over this last night didn't we ?09:17
brittcan anybody help me with my NVIDIA driver dogging the system?09:17
fritit's ext309:18
frit:'(09:18
unholyskornhmmm.... i run the program, and it says loading in the tray, and has the thinking icon next to my mouse, and then it just disappears...09:18
deathnotehaha..what happened last night?09:18
intelikeyfrit yep.  sorry man.  that's just how it is.09:18
JoshooaI wish I had a linux guy here to help get me set up09:18
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brittI wish things worked09:18
_4strOwhich program is it ?09:18
qbmasterhey09:18
deathnoteJoshooa: u have to think of, anything u want to save when u use windows, and anything u want to save when u use linux09:18
unholyskornenvy09:18
fritno problem man tks again for aswering :)09:19
unholyskornhasrat_usa helped me get it09:19
intelikeydeathnote was that not you asking for input on how to setup a 40g + 100g drives ?09:19
frit+ intelikey09:19
fritlol09:19
Joshooadeathnote: I know what those are, my windows game and program install files will all be on the 2nd partition of the 40GB drive09:19
deathnotehaha..not me!!09:19
qbmastercan anybody help me figure out why my mp3 files won't play under kubuntu?  (Linux Noob here)09:19
Joshooadeathnote: Anything else is either in my Media Partition, or on my Documents Partition09:19
qbmasterI hear sound but the mp3 files won't play09:19
unholyskornid get videolan player09:19
qbmasterthe builtin progs can't play them?09:20
Joshooadeathnote: So, if I need to install windows, the 10GB partition on the 40 would be redone, and in linux the part of the 200 not being media or documents or swap09:20
unholyskornim having a very serious problem with applications that dont run09:20
deathnoteJoshooa: redone?09:20
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unholyskornthey try to load, then just dissapear09:20
intelikeyfrit it is possable to recover files on ext2   (ext3 is ext2 + journal)  but on ext3 it's easier to find hin's teeth, snake hips and chicken lips.  in an empty room....09:20
_4strOunholyskorn: sudo envy -t09:21
unholyskornand its static too....09:21
Joshooadeathnote: Like i was planning that Windows would only see it's C drive, the D for CD images to install my games, and then my Media part just for kicks, cause I wont use it in windows09:21
ubuntuI need help with an acer aspire 510009:21
deathnoteintelikey: what's the advantage of seperating /boot and / in different partition?09:21
unholyskornlike, 50% of the time my adept manager wont run09:21
_4strO<unholyskorn> id get videolan player <-- sudo apt-get install vlc ??09:21
unholyskornnot me, i got vlc, i was talking to the kid who couldnt hear his mp3's09:21
deathnoteJoshooa: Media is for storage in NTFS ?09:22
unholyskornvlc seems to load everything well09:22
qbmasterhm09:22
ubuntuno09:22
Joshooadeathnote: Yeah, like I'd reformat and reinstall on the 10GB part, and then once it's up, open up ISOs and EXEs on the remaining 30GB partition, so I wont lose my programs, just have to reinstall them, when I am used to cause of windows sucking09:22
intelikeydeathnote in my case security.  but in your case, being sure that grub works correctly without error09:22
qbmasterI'll give it a shot09:22
ubuntuits fat3209:22
qbmasterone of the problems may be that those mp3s are on an NTFS partition09:22
unholyskornk ill brb, see if ati drivers worked09:22
Joshooadeathnote: Yes, Media is where I will move all my Music and Video files to, so I can see them in Linux, and my roommates can also access them from their Windows computers, and add th eir music as well.09:22
qbmasteralthough the partition seems readable through linux09:22
Joshooadeathnote: Like a central media location09:22
ubuntuabout the NTFS I did find a doc about reading and writing09:23
intelikey!ntfs | ubuntu09:23
ubotuubuntu: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse09:23
intelikey!ntfs-3g > ubuntu09:23
ubuntudood it was on google09:23
intelikey!fuse > ubuntu09:23
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deathnoteJoshooa: u mean u going to partition your first harddisk into 10 , 30 for windows ?09:24
deathnoteJoshooa: its up to u09:24
deathnoteintelikey: how big should /boot be ?09:24
Joshooadeathnote: yes, cause 10 for Windows and installed games, and 30 for ISOs for games and programs, stuff I wont need to even see in Linux, since linux can't run them09:24
intelikeydeathnote not over a gig   not less than 64m09:24
deathnoteJoshooa: hehe linux can run windows games too! but we'll go into that later ;p09:25
Joshooadeathnote: So my reasoning was to just pretty much ignore the 40GB drive while inside Kubuntu, which I'll mainly use09:25
intelikeyi know that's a wide gap.09:25
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Joshooadeathnote: Well I know, wine or Virtual, but, wouldn't that use up more resources and be more complicated? Besides, I want windows to go back to if I ever need to09:25
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ubuntuI wasnt talking about that other driver for ntfs09:26
ubuntuI was talking about another method09:26
intelikeydeathnote i'd also make /boot ext209:26
deathnoteJoshooa: yeah for the 200gb just partition it into 4 parts.. or u wanna try seperating /boot and / that would be 5 partitions so u have to use extended09:26
intelikeydeathnote no need for a journal on that.09:26
unholyskornHasrat_USA are you there?09:27
deathnotei would try that on next installation....09:27
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qbmasterI'm attempting to get VLC now09:27
deathnoteJoshooa: i would just don't use windows completely..because what else can't be done in linux? hehe09:27
Joshooadeathnote: Isn't ext2 and ext3 extended?09:28
premier_So, I updated my fstab file, and when I rebooted, I got a few error messages that were too fast to read.  I still didnt get swap to work09:28
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qbmasterI'm sure you guys get a lot of people here with little to no linux experience09:28
intelikeyok i need to do some STUFF.   you ever do STUFF ?   well i need to do some stuff now.  back in a while.09:28
qbmasterlol I almost feel embarassed09:28
premier_swap works fine when I do "swapon /dev/sda4"09:28
Joshooadeathnote: Yeah, I wish, I want to do that, but 1, I spent a lot of time getting this collection of software together, and also, I heard it's better to keep a copy of windows for gaming09:28
unholyskornhow do i tell if envy worked?09:28
deathnotei'm a newbie too..09:28
intelikeyJoshooa that's ext# fs not EXT partition.... the file system format not the partition declaration.09:29
ubuntujoshooa yes09:29
Joshooadeathnote: Also, just incase in 2 weeks I can't take it and need to go back to windows for comfort, I'd hate to not have all this stuff I'm used to, and if I want windows at all, I have to install it first, so I want it installed and out of the way no09:29
Joshooaw09:29
ubuntuif you cant get it to run in wine09:29
deathnoteJoshooa: no....ext2 and ext3 isn't extended.. extended means....hmm how shd i explain09:29
intelikeyJoshooa you can have ext# fs on either a primary or extended partition or on a disk without a partition.09:29
deathnoteJoshooa: u know harddisk can have up to 4 partitions09:30
premier_so can anyone help me with the whole swap thing?09:30
Joshooadeathnote: yeah09:30
intelikeyanyway.  back in a bit.09:30
deathnoteJoshooa: each partition can be primary or extended ..09:30
deathnoteJoshooa: so what to do if u want 5 or more partitions?09:30
JoshooaIsn't it easier to just have windows installed on a partition and keep my windows games like Doom 3 and Fable and stuff on that, and boot into windows if I want to play games?09:30
ubuntujoshooa get a new drive09:31
stdindeathnote: use extended and logical partitions09:31
qbmasterI made a seperate partition for Linux and for Windows :)09:31
Joshooaubuntu: I'm broke right now09:31
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qbmaster(and one for the swap flie as well)09:31
deathnoteJoshooa: u have to create in extended partitions.. in each extended partition u can again have 4 primary partitions09:31
deathnoteops09:31
deathnoteis it 4?09:31
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Joshooadeathnote: So then up to 8 total/09:31
deathnotestdin: how many partitions can u have in extended?09:32
deathnoteJoshooa: yeah..somewhat expand the number of partitions..hehee!09:32
stdindeathnote: afaik, as many as you want (reasonably), I'll have to check09:32
ubuntuback to my orginal idea anyone know where I can get support for an ACER aspire 510009:32
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stdindeathnote: and they are logical partitions in extended ones. not primary :)09:32
JoshooaIs it bad to install windows, my main OS, on a hard drive that isn't the master hard drive?09:33
ubuntuI need drivers09:33
deathnoteoh yah..logical....09:33
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deathnotei think its bad because the bootloader for windows would be installed on the MBR of the other harddisk instead of the master harddisk (correct me if i'm wrong)09:34
qbmasterwow, I'm lost09:34
ubuntuI hate that damn bootloader09:34
ubuntuit freaking foobars windows09:34
deathnotewhat's foobars?09:35
premier_yeah, i can do swapon /dev/sda4, but my /dev/disk/by-uuid folder doesnt have a device that could possibly associated with sda409:35
Joshooadeathnote: But Windows will be on the master, and Kubuntu on the slave09:35
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ubuntumickeysofts bootloader09:35
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unholyskorndoes anyone know why envy doesnt work?09:35
sebrwhenever an application opens the audio device on kubuntu, there is this very loud shrill noise that happens :(09:35
deathnoteubuntu: i'm not very sure but will the bootloader be installed in the slave harddisk if i choose to install windows on slave harddisk?09:35
unholyskorni installed it, ran it in konsole, selected install ati drivers, it said loaded and such, and i restart and it doesnt seem like it put them in, i still only have 800x600 resolution09:36
JoshooaI'm kinda confused09:36
stdinpremier_: "sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda4" will give you the UUID of it09:36
ubuntusebr thats a serious driver issue09:36
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JoshooaI right clicked on my 8GB partition, and checked disk size, and it's 125GB09:36
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deathnoteJoshooa: Kubuntu can install its bootloader onto the master harddisk's MBR , even if u have it on the slave harddisk (i think..correct me if i'm wrong)09:36
ubuntusee if you can get drivers from your oem09:37
sebrubuntu: okay, do you know where i can get info on it?09:37
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stdinJoshooa, deathnote: yeah, grub can be installed anywhere you want09:37
Joshooadeathnote: I think so too, and stop saying correct you if you're wrong, since I am asking you for advice, that is VERY discouraging :P09:37
ubuntuyou dont know the modle?09:37
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sebrno, its a brand new pc09:37
ubuntudude09:38
Joshooastdin: What is the point of making a 100MB boot partition and should I do it? And why not just install Windows on the 40GB, and then Kubuntu on the 200GB?09:38
qbmasterwow it seems my transfers go quicker through linux09:38
ubunturtfm before you buy09:38
qbmastera lot quicker09:38
sebri'll get it to work09:38
deathnotestdin: is grub (the bootloader) is automatically installed in the MBR of the first master harddisk? even if you choose / to be on the slave harddisk ?09:38
nonuda__stdin, the boot process run, but i got this error : "/bin/sh : can't access tty; job control turned off"09:38
unholyskornwhat driver for ati do i want to use for running beryl?09:39
unholyskorni have envy to try to install it, but it doesnt seem to work09:39
deathnoteJoshooa: i'm very new too..really..hoping to learn too..09:39
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deathnoteunholyskorn: my beryl doesn't seem to work..tried aiglx and glx09:39
stdinJoshooa: the only reason (I can think of) to have a separate /boot partition, is of you want to install multiple distributions and want them all to share it09:39
Joshooadeathnote: How long have you used Windows and how long have you used Linux?09:39
ubuntuI took a class in linux buh they just went 90% over vim09:39
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ubuntuyey09:39
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stdindeathnote: it's installed to the MBR of the drive kubuntu is installed on (i think)09:40
ibc_I know this may seem simple but where do you configure the screensaver?09:40
deathnoteJoshua: half a year linux..whole life windows..had unix exp before09:40
cpk1vim is very important =D09:40
ibc_I can't find the settings for it09:40
stdinnonuda__: does the install continue tho?09:40
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Joshooastdin:  No, I just want windows on the 40, along with the windows programs/install files for them, and then Swap, Kubuntu, a shared Music/Movie Partition, and a Documents Partition on the other 200GB slave drive09:41
deathnotestdin: what if i install kubuntu to a 2nd harddisk (slave), grub won't be taking over as the boot loader?09:41
ubuntuI rather use an easier text editor09:41
unholyskorngod damn kubtunu lol09:41
cpk1ibc_: right click the desktop > configure desktop09:41
premier_stdin: can you help me?  What should my fstab file be?09:41
nonuda__nop..i'm in some kind of konsole..the prompt is (initramfs)09:41
ubuntulike edit in dos09:41
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cpk1nano is really easy09:41
premier_f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       009:41
premier_thats what it is now09:42
deathnoteubuntu: like nano ?09:42
ibc_cpk1, thanks!09:42
Joshooadeathnote: Tomorrow I will have all this figured out, as all my important files are going to be on another computer, and I will have 1 blank master 40GB, and 1 blank slave 200GB to figure this mess out on09:42
ubuntuwell they never went over that09:42
stdindeathnote: shouldn't, but if it does, grub can boot from the other drive too09:42
ubuntubook doesnt even cover it09:42
unholyskornanyone have any experiance with Envy that can help me out?09:42
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qbmasterhey out of curiousity, does Ubuntu automatically attempt to use compression for http requests?09:42
stdinpremier_: like "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0"09:42
cpk1strawberry!09:42
stdinpremier_: the "UUID=" part is important09:43
ubuntuqbmaster I dont think they would09:43
deathnotestbin: i thought normally bios boot up the first master harddisk ? unless u have a function to boot from 2nd harddisk09:43
qbmasterheh09:43
qbmasterwell it's odd that I'm getting 100+KBps on this dl atm09:43
premier_stdin is "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0"  different from "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    sw              0       0" ?09:43
Joshooadeathnote: I really want to just have Kubuntu on the 40GB, and devote it all to swap and ext3, but my fear is sometime later I will want to go into windows, and wont be able to cause you can't install windows after linux cause windows will mess up the boot09:43
qbmasterwhen under Xp it  rarely reaches 5009:43
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stdinpremier_: this is my line for swap " UUID=6bbb6f03-1a3b-4bbb-8226-c67eb4d03163 none            swap    sw              0       0"09:43
ubuntufar as i kno comcast is pushing such applications09:43
premier_thanks09:43
unholyskorni have comcast lol09:44
nonuda__stdin?09:44
Joshooadeathnote: And I thought and heard that running a windows program inside of linux will use more resources than just running it in windows, and Doom 3 is hard enough to get running smooth on here as it is09:44
qbmasterhm, the odd thing is that the other computer is the one handling the internet09:44
stdinpremier_: just make sure that you use the right UUID09:44
qbmasterthis one shouldn't have anything to do with it09:44
qbmasterlol09:44
Joshooaunholyskorn: Go Comcast!09:44
qbmaster(but it's cool :P)09:44
JoshooaNot really09:44
cpk1doom 3 runs natively09:44
unholyskorncomcast sucks so bad09:44
stdinnonuda__: dose the install run?09:44
ubuntuuhh connection sharing?09:44
ubuntuthrough windows?09:44
Joshooacpk1: So I can put in a Doom 3 image, and install it in Linux, and it will work?09:44
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deathnoteJoshooa: maybe..maybe not09:44
JoshooaYeah I hate comcast, I always get kicked off and get slow speeds, but it's free so it's ok09:45
ubuntujoshooa there is a doom 3 linux version I think09:45
sebryes, there is09:45
deathnoteJoshooa: depends......eg: i play warcraft 3 frozen throne in linux , its taking my sound card resources.. i can't play other mp3s during play09:45
cpk1there IS a doom3 linux version09:45
sebryou need to download the doom3 linux files from id09:45
unholyskornEnvy, help, please, Anyone?09:45
cpk1and I can have sound in warcraft 3 and play mp3's at the same time...09:45
JoshooaWell, I'm still new to linux, and I'm more comfortable just rebooting into Windows if I want to play warcraft 3 or Doom or Fable or anything09:45
deathnoteJoshooa: but there should be a fix for it..wine hq pple say its because of my sound card isn't too gd for multi09:45
qbmaster:( What am I supposed to do with these files now?09:46
ubuntudoubt they'd give roe for free09:46
qbmasterlol09:46
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deathnotecpk1: how do u do that?09:46
deathnotecpk1: u using alsa or oss for wine?09:46
nonuda__stdin, nop the install not run! i can see splah screen but it stuck with some kind of a konsole09:46
JoshooaCan I play Pocket Tanks Deluxe in Linux/09:46
soonHi folks. I want this simple command run at boot up : iwpriv ath0 mode 209:47
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soon...or a change in the wireless setup ... where can I do this?09:47
JoshooaKeep in mind though, this is like my 4th or 5th day in Kubuntu and Linux, so, the whole wine virtual thing just seems complicated to me09:47
ubuntusoon in the internet menu09:47
unholyskornWhy the HELL does Adept not run sometimes!09:47
stdinsoon: you can add it to /etc/rc.local09:47
cpk1deathnote: dunno let me check09:47
ubuntuthere is an app to change your connection09:47
stdinnonuda__: hmm09:48
AyabaraI just installed kubuntu-desktop and logged in for the first time. All looks good, except that my fonts are huge in most applications (xchat, firefox, ..). what do I need to do to fix this?09:48
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deathnotestdin: if i have 2 harddisks one master one slave.. and i installed kubuntu on 2nd harddisk, how can i boot into grub when i'm booting into the master harddisk ?09:48
asauphello09:48
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soonhello?09:48
qbmasterI think I dl'ed the mac version09:48
qbmasterlol09:48
nonuda__stdin, why it said it can't access tty?09:48
ubuntubios boot menu09:48
deathnotestdin: means i must have grub on the MBR of first harddisk?09:48
ubuntu!!!09:48
deathnoteubuntu: let's say if i don't have the option to boot from slave?09:49
stdindeathnote: you'll have to chainload, not sure how windows does it tho09:49
stdinnonuda__: not sure09:49
asaupi have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again09:49
asaup??09:49
cpk1deathnote: actually looks like I cant check since it seems that winecfg doesnt seem to want to work in this version09:49
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soonUbuntu ..  the gui program will only change my settings for now (no?) .. I'll try stdin's suggetion09:49
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ubuntuumm about serial ata09:49
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deathnotecpk1: sudo winecfg ?09:49
ubuntuhow can I check to see if its detected09:50
deathnotestdin: what's chainload? can i manually instlal grub on the master harddisk MBR?09:50
JoshooaMan I really need a good linux book to read so I know all this stuff about installing windows here and linux there and knowing it will work, I hate guess and check09:50
fannagogannahi, i have noticed that the ubuntu and kubuntu 6.10 alternate CD's don't allow one to install LVM2 systems09:50
asaupi have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??09:50
JoshooaMainly cause to find out if it works, I have to spend 3-6 hours installing first09:50
cpk1thats not the problem deathnote and nothing in wine needs sudo09:50
fannagogannahowever, the 6.06 does09:50
nonuda__it must be something with root=/dev.... if i use the command line from the web it gave me something else...it said "waiting the root command"09:50
posingaspopularJoshooa: there are several09:50
stdindeathnote: you can choose where to install grub when installing kubuntu09:50
posingaspopularthe official ubuntu bible, installin ubuntu for non geeks09:51
posingaspopulariirc09:51
ubuntuI just know that my raid fails on shutdown09:51
posingaspopularsome other ones that i found at borders...09:51
Hasrat_USAokay beryl is the s&&&. on that note, it's good bye. i gotta crash09:51
Joshooaposingaspopular: Hi, Ive seen you before and i like your name.  Which ones are good? And which ones are good for general linux works, and not just Ubuntu Specific?09:51
AyabaraI use gdm / kubuntu. could that be what makes my fonts to large?09:51
asaupi have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??09:51
deathnotestdin: which part? the part where u choose partition?09:51
stdindeathnote: it'll be near the end of the install, it will ask you09:52
deathnotestdin: it asked for / /home and swap etc..i couldn't find the grub part..09:52
friti m in love with Beryl *___*09:52
nonuda__stdin, if i install the kubuntu using my laptop hardisk in another pc which has cdrom then after the installation finish i put the hardisk back to laptop, can it work?09:52
c0nv1ctberyl is sexy eh?09:53
deathnotefrit: couldn't get it working09:53
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fritdeathnote:  ?09:53
unholyskornexit09:53
posingaspopularJoshooa: hmmmt thanks.. linux specifically? i cant think of any books about linux that ive read aside from 'just for fun' which is about linux torvalds.09:53
friti made it in 5 min :o09:53
posingaspopulari duno, google?09:53
ubuntustdin is there any info on the acer aspire 5100 and ubuntu?09:53
c0nv1ctfrit: same, followed a HOWTO, was easy09:53
stdinnonuda__: it should, but that depends if you can put the laptop drive in a pc09:53
c0nv1ctfrit: except i'm using Xgl, and i hear AIGLX is faster09:53
asaupi have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??09:54
premier_I got the swap space working, although I still get unusual messages at boot that flash by too fast for me to see09:54
Joshooaposingaspopular: I'm just still trying to get my head around all the structure of linux and how it all works with the kernal and all that09:54
qbmasterHm, I don't think the mp3 problem has anything to do with the players...09:54
nonuda__yup i can put my laptop hdd in a pc using some kind of adapter...ok then thanks for help...bye09:54
fritc0nv1ct: yep i followed one howto really good with good sources etc , & i m using Xgl too , but what it's the difference ?09:54
premier_Anyway, I tried to hibernate the computer, and it did shut down, but when I restarted, it didnt do anything09:54
c0nv1ctJoshooa: i have those ubuntu books if u want them09:54
Joshooac0nv1ct: I do09:55
c0nv1ctfrit: i get horrible CPU usage when playing xvid in XGL09:55
ubuntunever did like hibernation features09:55
c0nv1ctfrit: someone said AIGLX would be easier on resources09:55
fritho ? i don't have that problem :/ c0nv1ct09:55
c0nv1ctJoshooa: i dunno if DCC will work for me, my iptables isnt configured for it09:56
c0nv1ctJoshooa: i can try sending if u want?09:56
Joshooaok09:56
fritdo you want my howto ? c0nv1ct09:56
frit:p09:56
ubuntuconvlct what kindof router?09:56
c0nv1ctfrit: ya? well i got it setup with latest nvidia drivers, dunno how it could get better09:56
posingaspopularJoshooa: actually yea, there are a bunch of books about linux and its structure. the problem is that they're all priey. linux for non geeks might be good or how linux works or linux bible09:56
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c0nv1ctubuntu, no router09:56
posingaspopularthose are all options09:56
ubuntuswitch?09:56
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Joshooaposingaspopular: Thanks, I'll keep those in mind, I guess I just have to go to a local book store and look around09:57
c0nv1ctubuntu: straight to a cable bridge09:57
premier_is there supposed to be a line in my kernel options that goes "resume=something"?09:57
ubuntuah09:57
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c0nv1ctubuntu: but i have iptables configured extensively09:57
fritc0nv1ct: erm .. one thing can u speak french ?09:57
unholyskornwhy does nothing work on this god damn thing09:57
posingaspopularJoshooa: yea gl with that, books about technology around here are at like 20 bucks apiece and i dont work so it hurts to buy books09:57
c0nv1ctJoshooa: attempting to send09:58
ubuntuumm posing.... last I saw09:58
c0nv1ctafk 1 sec, out of smokes09:58
ubuntuand I mean saw09:58
ubuntuthere are quite a few books in e format09:58
Joshooaposingaspopular: Where are you from?09:58
qbmasterokay09:59
unholyskorn20 bucks? books around here are lik 70 lol09:59
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qbmastercan somebody explain to me how to install the media codecs?09:59
posingaspopularchicago. we have hardcore sales takes09:59
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posingaspopularubuntu: any good ebooks for linux?09:59
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: DCC send doesnt seem to be working, did you get a notice?10:00
ubuntuI think there may be10:00
unholyskornCan anyone explain to me why nothing runs proper on this damn distro?10:00
JoshooaI have a bunch of ebooks for linux, but I can't get linux to open them, just windows :)10:00
ubuntubut nothing related specifically to ubuntu10:00
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Joshooac0nv1ct: No nothing10:00
c0nv1ctJoshooa: PDF format?10:00
ubuntujoshooa10:00
posingaspopularunholyskorn: whats not running properly10:00
Joshooac0nv1ct: Some are, some are chm, whatever that is10:00
ubuntuconvert to pdf10:00
Joshooaubuntu: Yeah?10:00
unholyskorneverything i run10:00
c0nv1ctJoshooa: there is PDF and CHM support for linux10:00
unholyskornhas about a 50% chance of actually running10:00
unholyskornif not, it sits there saying loading, with the hourglass, then BOOM disapears10:01
Joshooac0nv1ct: Well they wont open, just goes grey, I am thinking something is wrong in my install, as some programs do that as well10:01
qbmasterall I see is a big string of commands that I'm not understanding yet10:01
Joshooac0nv1ct: Which I am told should work just fine10:01
qbmaster:/10:01
c0nv1ctJoshooa: just search Adept or Synaptic for CHM and PDF10:01
ubuntuhell im just lucky to get this to run off the CD10:01
Joshooac0nv1ct: I installed ubuntu, then up'd to Kubuntu, and now a bunch of stuff wont work10:01
ubuntufew other distros I've tried crashed10:01
c0nv1ctJoshooa: DCC started, but its not sending, lol10:01
Joshooac0nv1ct: Sweet10:01
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unholyskornlike, ill run the damn program, and it wont run, then i try three more times and then BOOM it runs10:01
stdin!chm10:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about chm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:01
c0nv1ctJoshooa: nm it said failed10:02
posingaspopularunholyskorn: which ones?10:02
c0nv1ctJoshooa: what are u using to open the PDFs?10:02
unholyskornadept manager for one10:02
unholyskornberyl10:02
unholyskornberyl manager10:02
Joshooac0nv1ct: I don't kn ow, whatever Kubunu tells me to10:02
ubuntusome debain.. kanotix 64...10:02
unholyskornsystem settings10:02
posingaspopularberyl i dont touch10:02
c0nv1ctJoshooa: try installing KPDF and KchmViewer10:02
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c0nv1cti'm not sure if either is installed by default10:03
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Joshooac0nv1ct: I have KPDF as well, and it wont open them10:04
c0nv1ctJoshooa: weird10:04
c0nv1ctJoshooa: worked right out of the box for me10:04
qbmasterbye guys10:04
ubuntuumm I did get an mounting error... on my desktop... "mount not implimented"10:04
unholyskornany ideas?10:04
ubuntuthe other machine across the room10:05
ubuntuofcourse10:05
Joshooac0nv1ct: That's why I think something is wrong with my Kubuntu install10:05
Ayabaraif I change the font size in control center, do I have to restart x or the open apps to activate the change?10:05
Joshooadeathnote: I think I'm just going to take your advice and forget windows alltogether right now10:05
ubuntujoshooa10:06
ubuntuyou should10:06
Joshooaubuntu10:06
ubuntuI/ve been watching my updates10:06
JoshooaWould you guys consider ebooks media?10:06
ubuntuseems they only have been adding files10:06
c0nv1ctJoshooa: strange, i installed Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu, and it opens PDFs inside of Konqueror10:06
ubuntunot replacing them10:06
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c0nv1cti have 130mb of Ubuntu related PDF and CHM ebooks10:06
c0nv1ctnot exactly legal, but...10:07
ubuntuconvlct I thought that would replace the os10:07
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JoshooaWell I have a ubuntu DVD, and now a Kubuntu DVD, so I think I am going to install off the Kubuntu DVD to my 40GB HD, then partition the 200GB into Documents, Media, and Programs10:07
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c0nv1ctno, u can 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' from Ubuntu10:07
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c0nv1ctit just installs KDE and all the Kubuntu packages really10:07
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ubuntuo10:07
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c0nv1ctgnome angered me, so KDE it is :P10:08
Joshooac0nv1ct: I know, that's what I did this time, and now most of my programs don't work10:08
ubuntugnome was ok back in the day10:08
c0nv1ctas i spill beer on myself, brb10:08
c0nv1ctyeah, gnome 2.0 impressed me10:08
c0nv1ctbut then i remembered i liked KDE when i installed Ubuntu10:08
JoshooaLike, no games work, and a lot of my settings and system things wont open anymore either10:09
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: odd, like what programs?10:09
ubuntuwell Originally atleast on my systems kde would eat resources10:09
Joshooac0nv1ct: Everything under Games10:09
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Joshooac0nv1ct:  printer stuff, anything that has GNOME in it or starts with G10:10
c0nv1ctubuntu: I just like the QT apps, Konquere > Nautilus IMO10:10
Joshooac0nv1ct: Just comes up all grey, and sits there forever, until I try to close it, where I have to terminate it10:10
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: gnome stuff runs fine for me, but i've tried to use all QT-based replacements10:10
Joshooac0nv1ct: QT based?10:10
c0nv1ctJoshooa: are the gnome libs still there?10:10
Joshooac0nv1ct: Should be, why wouldn't they?10:11
ubuntueek must know if my serial ata is working10:11
JoshooaAlso, why wont Kopete log me in here, I can't message anyone10:11
c0nv1ctJoshooa: unless you told it to remove the original Ubuntu stuff, it should10:11
c0nv1ctJoshooa: i couldnt get Kopete to work right with IRC either, i use Konversation10:11
Joshooac0nv1ct: All I did was type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and then reboot10:12
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: yeah, same as i did10:12
Joshooac0nv1ct: And I've already took the time to download the Kubuntu DVD, so I might as well use it10:12
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deathnoteFor a dual core intel processor, should i use x86 or 64-bit pc installation?10:12
Joshooac0nv1ct: I am NOT looking forward to figuring out my network and wireless card again though10:12
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posingaspopularJoshooa: knetworkmanager10:12
Joshooac0nv1ct: According to the hardware page, my Linksys card should just work right out of the box, but that was not true10:13
posingaspopularshould do it for you10:13
ubuntutook me all day to get that dvd10:13
c0nv1ctJoshooa: by QT i mean, as opposed to GTK10:13
ubuntuhell if I should download another10:13
JoshooaI don't have knetworkmanager10:13
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posingaspopularJoshooa: yourun kubuntu dont yo?10:13
posingaspopularyou?10:13
c0nv1ctJoshooa: is it in your Adept Manager?10:13
Joshooac0nv1ct: GTK?10:13
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nileshi10:13
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Joshooaposingaspopular: Yes I do10:13
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nilesi cant seem to find limewire in apt-cache search10:13
c0nv1ctJoshooa: gnome = GTK, KDE = QT10:13
Joshooac0nv1ct: It probably is10:13
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nilesanyone here use it?10:14
Joshooac0nv1ct: What> Why? I thought KDE was just KDE10:14
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athlonI deleted my kubuntu-desktop package and now cant upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. Since I no longer have th 6.06 DVD, where can I download the dapper kubuntu-desktop deb package10:14
stdin!p2p | niles10:14
ubotuniles: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.10:14
c0nv1ctJoshooa: kinda, its a DE based on QT10:14
Ayabaracan anyone help? I tried to change fonts in control center, but the fonts in xchat, gaim and firefox didn't seem to change10:14
Joshooac0nv1ct: yeah..... right over my head10:14
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: which, i believe, is the language its written in, but i'm no programmer10:15
ubuntutechnically you could run gnome and kde10:15
slougiathlon: why can't you upgrade?10:15
ubuntubuh I dont know how valid that is anymore10:15
JoshooaMan I can't wait for my job interview in 10 hours10:15
c0nv1ctubuntu: true, u can select at login10:15
c0nv1ctubuntu: or use libraries to run GTK apps in KDE, and vise versa10:15
stdinAyabara: firefox (and probably xchat and gaim) have there own font settings10:15
ubuntuI did however run both simutainiously in the past10:15
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deathnoteJoshooa: how is it10:17
posingaspopularJoshooa: google is your friend10:17
posingaspopularRun sudo apt-get update10:17
posingaspopular Run sudo apt-get install network-manager-kde10:17
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: if you really do like KDE better, and you haven't done too much work so far, re-installing might be the best option10:17
comp09orhei10:17
JoshooaYeah, another problem I have is the google search bar in firefox quit working10:17
Ayabarastdin, makes sense. guess I will have to decide on kde or gnome and tweak for my choice.10:17
Joshooaand Kopete randomly disconnects me from AIM and Yahoo10:17
c0nv1ctJoshooa: weird10:17
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unholyskornthis doesnt work for crap lol10:18
posingaspopularprobably a bad install10:18
JoshooaAND tells me my buddy image isn't right, but I don't even have one@10:18
ubuntuits yahoo10:18
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Joshooa!*10:18
ubuntuand aim10:18
ubuntutrillian does the same10:18
JoshooaI never had that problem on trillian10:18
JoshooaOh well it's worth not having windows10:18
c0nv1ctKopete gives me an error every time cuz my own name is in my buddy list10:18
c0nv1ctthats my only problem so far10:18
c0nv1ctstupid ex-girlfriend's buddy list merged with mine somehow10:18
ubuntutrillian use to do that aswell10:19
posingaspopularc0nv1ct: thats no good!10:19
Lamington><10:19
ubuntusome times still does10:19
c0nv1ctyeah, now i got all her stupid friends in my list10:19
posingaspopularmy ex tried to group our SN's one time, and it didnt go over too well10:19
Joshooaaw crap, I just noticed I have a 512MB swap on, and a 2.5GB swap off10:19
larson9999swap on. swap off10:20
Joshooaposingaspopular: OMG I know what you mean, that is horrible, then both SNs had ALL the buddies huh?10:20
ubuntuthe clapper10:20
ubuntulol10:20
Joshooanerds10:20
bentob0xanybody has a good link for me to mount in my /home/ folder a network hard drive (DNS-323) at startup?10:20
c0nv1cti know trillian was at fault too10:20
c0nv1ctcuz she added her accounts to my trillian, and bam, merged10:20
Joshooa!reiserfs10:21
ubotureiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.10:21
posingaspopularugh you dont wnat mergered screen names. ever. i just dont use trillian anymore.10:21
posingaspopulardelete the account10:21
ubuntuwell I think astera is going to be better10:21
c0nv1cttrillian is gone, but apparently AIM and ICQ saved the lists, and now every client picks them all up10:21
Joshooaposingaspopular: I never paid for any of my windows programs10:21
Joshooaposingaspopular: I felt kinda bad, but not if they were from Microsoft10:21
ubuntushhh..10:21
ubuntudude10:21
ubuntuyou should know your being watched10:22
Joshooac0nv1ct: Yeah they do that, cause it's "convenient"10:22
cpk1since the gui isnt working how do you add users? =X10:22
posingaspopularthe M$ word10:22
c0nv1ctJoshooa: ah, same, dont worry, they make 10bil a year10:22
Joshooaubuntu: I am not10:22
ubuntuyes  you are10:22
posingaspopulari had like 4000 dollars of windows software on my hd at one point. all free.10:22
ubuntuNSA is still using AT&T10:22
Joshooaubuntu: By who?10:22
posingaspopularbut i can get the ubuntu version10:22
c0nv1ctposingaspopular: 4000 is nothing :P10:22
Joshooaand no I'm not10:22
posingaspopularmuch nicer too10:22
c0nv1ctposingaspopular: thats just 1 Win 2k3 ent server :F10:22
posingaspopularc0nv1ct: well thats not including 30 gigsof mucis10:22
posingaspopularmusic10:23
c0nv1ct:D10:23
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c0nv1ctdont remind me, i lost all my music in my last reformat10:23
cpk1adduser duh10:23
ubuntube safe and backup your data before any drastic changes10:23
posingaspopularc0nv1ct: thats why i havent completly kicked windows off my hd. its gothostages!10:23
ubuntuis my rule10:23
c0nv1ctWindows made me angry, so i just nuked it all, and installed Ubuntu10:23
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JoshooaIf I was being watched because of that, then the whole torrent network would be shut down, cause that's where I got it all, and also you can get Peer Guardian and it blocks Government and College and fake IPs from getting to you10:23
c0nv1cti always lose data when i get mad :P10:24
unholyskornWoot got envy to work10:24
ubuntutechnically some sites have10:24
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Joshooac0nv1ct: This is why I'm just moving everything I want to another computer, in another room, upstairs, I have to REALLY fuck this up to ruin my info10:24
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: yeah, i've been there man, a few dozen times10:24
Joshooasome sites got shut down, but that's different than me being arrested for downloading a program10:24
nilesumm... yeah.  i just rebooted and now my sound card isnt recognized in /etc/asound/cards10:24
ubuntujosh I do have to say... who has time to find all the IP adresses10:24
nilesbut it was there prior to rebooting10:25
c0nv1ctJoshooa: my last problem was 2 failed HDDs, so i lost more than i wanted too10:25
ubuntubtw nsawatch.org10:25
Joshooac0nv1ct: I always just used my 200Gig HD for stuff, it hasn't been formatted since I got it10:25
nilesmy sound blaster is no longer in alsamixer10:25
deathnotewhat's the download manager for kubuntu/kde that works like getright (multiple download per link)10:25
c0nv1ctI had a 120gb and 250gb IDE fail on me at the same time.... so much lost10:25
ubuntuer I think com10:25
Werdnushello, adept screwed up and I now have no /sbin/init. What do I need to do to get it back (I'm chrooted into it off an OpenSUSE livecd)10:25
c0nv1cti'm happy with my new 500gb SATA though :D10:25
Werdnusis init in a specific package?10:25
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Joshooac0nv1ct: I just wouldn't use computers for a while, that's like a sign or something10:26
Joshooac0nv1ct: But if I lose these naked pics of my ex, I'd be so pissed :D10:26
c0nv1ctoh god, thats important leverage there10:26
Joshooac0nv1ct: I can remake my resume and stuff, that's not very important, and redownload my music, but naked pictures, gotta have that10:26
Joshooac0nv1ct: Yeah, show her to dump me!10:26
Werdnus:DD10:26
c0nv1ctmy digital camcorder with my 'footage' was stolen.. who knows where that is now, lol10:26
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Joshooac0nv1ct: Not really, we're prob getting back together once she's back in the country10:27
Werdnus"footage"?10:27
c0nv1ctexplicit 'footage'10:27
naliothc0nv1ct: you must be identified to services to /msg or /dcc folks10:27
Joshooac0nv1ct: Nice10:27
Joshooac0nv1ct: All mine is on the computer, just some pictures and stuff with her, and I don't think it got anywhere else10:27
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Joshooac0nv1ct: I know my friend looked at it when we split a fifth of vodka and I passed out though10:27
c0nv1ctmy roomate was a media arts major... crazy stuff is on tape out there of me10:27
ubuntuhttp://www.nsawatch.org/nsa_octopus.jpg10:28
Joshooac0nv1ct: Hopefully not all explicit10:28
ubuntuthere it  is10:28
c0nv1ctcollege was such a crazy drunken haze, i wouldnt even know10:28
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c0nv1ctbut luckily, i remembered what i learned in my linux classed :D10:29
unholyskornhow do i make it so kubuntu stops asking me for my fing password?10:29
ubuntuconvlct I wish I was in  your class10:29
Joshooaand that means what to me?10:29
c0nv1ctArizona man.... best place to go to college.... oh man10:29
ubuntumy teacher might have looked to be as if he were a lame duck compared to yours10:29
posingaspopulartime to bomb some nsa!10:29
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posingaspopularunholyskorn: what doyou mean10:30
c0nv1ct80 degrees at midnight... hotties are a dime a dozen.... i miss it10:30
unholyskornevery time i go to run stuff, it asks for password10:30
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unholyskorncan i make it not? its geting pointless10:30
posingaspopularuh root password?10:30
unholyskornno my neighbors password10:30
unholyskorn...10:30
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c0nv1ctunholyskorn: anything that requires adminstrator privilages, it'll ask for your PW10:30
DaphBobois there a guide for installing beryl on kubuntu? all i see is for ubuntu and has something abt gnome?? so m  a lil bit confused10:31
Ash-Foxunholyskorn, their password is: 33hotrobin10:31
ubuntuserver 2003 does this aswell10:31
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ubuntuif you set a password10:31
c0nv1ctDaphBobo: the HOWTOs i;ve seen are regardless of gnome or kde10:31
unholyskornUSE ENVY10:31
fritlol c0nv1ct10:31
unholyskornGet ENVY, use it to install your display drivers10:31
ubuntutechically mickeysoft should have made that default in every guest account10:32
unholyskornThen install beryl10:32
c0nv1ctfrit: i'm drunk, what'd i do?10:32
ubuntuas to set a freakng password10:32
Ash-FoxThe guest accont is by default disabled on windows.10:34
unholyskornok someone help me with this before i get pissed off10:34
fritc0nv1ct: drink again !10:34
unholyskornwhy do my applications not run 50% of the time10:34
DaphBobounholyskorn, that waz for me?10:34
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ubuntunot realy10:34
Ash-FoxYou have to PUPOSELY enable it from a admin account.10:34
unholyskornyes daph, use Envy to setup your video drivers correctly, then install beryl using adept10:34
c0nv1ctfrit: i got 8 left... 18 pack doesnt last too long10:34
ubuntuits still used for file sharing between computers10:34
DaphBobotjanx10:34
fritlol10:34
frit!time10:34
ubotutime: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB10:34
ubuntuthats why I say set a password10:34
ubuntureguardless10:34
fritoO10:34
unholyskornHELP ME10:34
c0nv1ctubuntu10:34
c0nv1ctfor root?10:34
Ash-Foxubuntu, no it's not, that runs under 'everybody' group.10:34
c0nv1ctnm10:34
ubuntuguest in windows10:34
fritsudo ?10:34
ubuntuoh for root... macs could use one changed10:34
c0nv1ctoh, misread that, thought u left10:34
JoshooaIf my wireless card is on the hardware list on Ubuntu, and it says on there that it installs and works "out of the box" but doesn't, what do I do?10:34
c0nv1ctJoshooa: what kind of wireless card?10:34
c0nv1ctJoshooa: by what kind, i mean what chip10:34
unholyskornget a new linux10:34
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Joshooaralink 6110:35
JoshooaI think10:35
Joshooalet me just check the site to be sure10:35
ubuntuummm I thnk im safe in the serail ata department10:35
c0nv1ctnot sure aobut that one10:35
ubuntujust need to install my ati driver10:35
ubuntus10:35
c0nv1ctmy Atheros(i think) worked fine10:35
ubuntusame10:35
ubuntuhave10:35
ubuntu:D10:35
c0nv1ctAtheros is right?10:35
CugelJust suffered a major crash -- keyboard and mouse just stopped working too. Irritating. Does anyone know where I can find some system log that could display the event?10:36
ubuntulast I checked10:36
c0nv1ctmy memory fails me10:36
deathnotehi i have problem with a Ralink wireless card..its installed and can scan..but just couldn't connect to my wireless network10:36
ubuntuworks in bsd as I read10:36
deathnoteCugel: /var/log/syslog10:36
c0nv1cti impress my self with my drunken mind10:36
ubuntuhours ago10:36
deathnoteCugel: /var/log/messages10:36
deathnoteCugel: dmseg10:36
deathnoteCugel: dmesg10:36
ubuntueven ran the wifi prog10:36
JoshooaHey, why don't I make my partitions reiserfs instead of ext3?10:37
ubuntuand to my surprise I could do things in kismet not normally in windows10:37
deathnotereisefs?10:37
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Joshooa!reiserfs10:37
ubotureiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.10:37
cpk1is there an autologin for kopete if you get disconnected?10:37
JoshooaThat thing10:37
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c0nv1ctwhats the FTP client for KDE?10:38
ubuntushould do it automatically10:38
posingaspopular!ftp10:38
ubuntutho10:38
ubotuFTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd10:38
ubuntuI have only been running it for a few hours10:38
c0nv1ctKonqueror? ok10:38
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Joshooac0nv1ct: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys  I have the first card on the list10:38
unholyskornSomeone help me get beryl to load damnit10:38
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ubuntuumm yea buh what chipset?10:39
c0nv1ctJoshooa: then it should work :P10:39
Joshooac0nv1ct: That's what I thought, but it didn't10:39
JoshooaI had to do some crap, and I kinda forgot what10:39
ubuntulol10:39
ubuntudiarea cha cha cha on the mind cha cha cha10:40
paolohi10:40
ubuntujosh could be a reversion board10:40
ubuntuthey may have changed the chipset10:40
ubuntuas anoying that is10:41
CugelI have about a million messages in my log with 'udevd[2178] : add_to_rules: unknown key 'ATTRS{idVendor}'  -- anyknow an idea what it means?10:41
c0nv1ctcan anyone assist me in setting up iptables for DCC transfers?10:41
ubuntuconvl Im sticking to a nat router10:41
ubuntuand I think  you know why10:42
alexiconhas anyone here setup flyspray in debian?10:42
ubuntueek debain good luck10:42
c0nv1cti've never gotten DCC to work through a router, but thankfully i'm not using a router now10:42
ubuntuconvlct www.networkeverywhere.com10:42
ubuntueasy10:42
cpk1thats funny my black hole of a university allowed me to receive dcc's10:43
c0nv1cti have a router, i choose not to use it :P10:43
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cpk1and I think I can send them too10:43
ubuntueven can set the ident port to nowhere to become completely invisable10:43
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c0nv1ctport forwarding only works for 1 internal IP, i prefer not to have that limitation10:43
ubuntunot on this one10:44
JoshooaWell I sh ould get some sleep for the interview, I'll be back later thanks for your help everyone10:44
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ubuntuhas more than port forwarding10:44
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ubuntuI chose thisone for ease of use10:45
Joshooac0nv1ct: So, it's generally easy to get windows programs to work in Linux, like if I want to do network games I can do that?10:45
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: i wouldnt say 'easy' but some stuff works10:45
ubuntujoshooa If I can run Damn small linux in windows10:45
ubuntuand browse webpages10:46
ubuntu.....10:46
c0nv1ctJoshooa: most windows apps have a linux alternative, thats equal if not better10:46
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ubuntuumm what about autocad10:46
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Joshooac0nv1ct: But I mean like Doom 3 or Half Life 2 or Fable or Pocket Tanks and stuff10:46
c0nv1ctJoshooa: ID games have linux versions10:47
ubuntuhalf life is written for linux10:47
c0nv1ctJoshooa: not sure about Fable or Pocket Tanks10:47
ubuntufable10:47
unholyskornanyone get beryl to work?10:47
ubuntunot so sur10:47
Joshooac0nv1ct: And I still like using Photoshop, and would like to learn it more cause it's so widely used10:47
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c0nv1ctunholyskorn: ya10:47
unholyskorncan you help me out?10:47
Joshooac0nv1ct: How do I go about downloading a linux version of a game, or is it just using the same ISO image and it knows I'm in linux?10:47
c0nv1ctJoshooa: GIMP is the linux alternative.... though i hear its not as robust10:48
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ubuntujoshooa get GIMP10:48
kgrahamalso get KDE10:48
JoshooaYeah I heard GIMP wasn't as good either10:48
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ubuntudood10:48
ubuntuits not how good it is10:48
ubuntuits how you use it10:48
JoshooaSO glad I just download 11.5 hours of tutorials for Photoshop CS210:48
c0nv1ctGIMP is pretty good, but then again, i wasnt a pro at photoshop10:48
Joshooac0nv1ct: I was on my way to pro10:48
c0nv1ctlol yeah, i got mad video tutorials for adobe products10:48
ubuntuconvlct I miss that magic eracer tool10:49
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ubuntumade things way too easy10:49
JoshooaI want to be able to edit pictures and video files, and not sure what to use in Linux10:49
c0nv1cti just edit stuff, resize, change colors, so GIMP works fine for me10:49
kgrahamKino for video files10:49
Joshooac0nv1ct: See, I was creating images and backgrounds and logos and stuff10:49
ubuntuthink there is a crapload of video athor10:49
c0nv1cti have ps CS2 in Vista, and i have to admit, i do like it better10:50
Joshooayeah, I want to be able to make and edit movies for YouTube10:50
deathnote!photoshop10:50
ubotuA comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant10:50
ubuntulast I checked theres a linux distro for just that10:50
ubuntuonly works in x8610:50
ubuntubuh Its called elive10:50
c0nv1cti have seen people installing adobe/macromedia stuff in WINE though10:50
Joshooaand my best friend/future girlfriend is a Mass Com major and is WAY into video stuff and directing, so I want to be able to help with that10:50
JoshooaAnd can't use Adobe After Effects or anything anymore, well, as easily10:50
JoshooaI heard of VideoLinux10:50
c0nv1ctyeah :\ i keep Windows dual booted just for that kind of stuff10:51
Joshooac0nv1ct: See, that's what I was trying to do, but you all convinced me to not do it10:51
deathnoteJoshooa: check out http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html10:51
ubuntudude I can show you elive10:51
Joshooac0nv1ct: And JUST have kubuntu10:51
ubuntulemme get the link10:51
c0nv1ctJoshooa: i was not part of that :P10:51
unholyskorngod danm this thing10:51
c0nv1cti'd love to remove MS from my computer... but i cant just yet10:52
Joshooac0nv1ct: Thanks, I was just about go to bed, and now you got me all confused and worried again10:52
c0nv1cti gotta have it there, just in case10:52
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ubuntuummm I just had a long beep10:52
Joshooac0nv1ct: I've had Kubuntu for 4 days, and I'm ready to totally remove MS tomorrow10:52
deathnoteJoshooa: look under video / photo editing10:52
ubuntuIm not sure if bios is telling me something10:52
c0nv1ctJoshooa: me too, its my life long quest10:52
deathnotejus apt-get those u want..its cool10:52
kgrahamI've done it..and am a Video Engineer and not looking back to MS10:52
c0nv1ctJoshooa: but untill i can play my games in linux, Vista stays on my other HDD10:52
ubuntuhttp://www.elivecd.org/10:53
Joshooawtf it wont add the bookmark10:53
JoshooaI keep clicking add and it's just sitting there mocking me, not in my bookmarks menu!10:53
c0nv1ctJoshooa: research it, you may be able to run those adobe apps in wine10:53
Joshooaoh fuck10:53
deathnotekonqueor?10:53
JoshooaI closed it, and now I have like 20 bookmarks of it! :P10:53
JoshooaSo i guess it was adding but not closing the dialogue box10:54
ubuntulol10:54
deathnotelol...............10:54
ubuntuos lag10:54
Joshooac0nv1ct: I am not switching over to Linux just to Emulate my Windows Experience though10:54
Joshooac0nv1ct: I'm trying to go ALL open source if I can10:54
Joshooac0nv1ct: And if not, then I'll just dual boot10:54
ubuntuumm windows from a distance as I like to call it10:54
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unholyskornwhy is it every fing time i do something it says to do something fs up10:55
c0nv1ctJoshooa: yeah, that would be the goal, but honostly, not everything has a Linux equivelant10:55
unholyskornit says add this to the repository, i do, and next time i run adept it crashes10:55
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: not as long as MS has developers in their pocket10:55
Joshooac0nv1ct: Then I'll just have to learn programming and make them10:55
c0nv1ctJoshooa: please do! lol10:55
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Joshooac0nv1ct: I'll get ont hat10:55
ubuntucrap there it is again10:56
Joshooac0nv1ct: I have excellent compuper skills10:56
c0nv1ctJoshooa: make DirectX10 work in linux while yer at it :P10:56
ubuntuanother long bios beep10:56
Joshooac0nv1ct: Give me a week10:56
unholyskornhow do i fix a bad repository in adept?10:56
deathnotewhat do u mean by non-free packages? can u still install and use it without paying?10:56
Joshooac0nv1ct: Although it doesn't even work in windows yet, so maybe 210:56
deathnoteeg: flashplugin-nonfree10:56
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deathnoteunholyskorn: check out /etc/apt/sources.list10:56
unholyskorni did death10:57
unholyskornand i deleted the bad one10:57
deathnotewhat's in it?10:57
unholyskornand the damn thing still errors out10:57
premier_I almost destroyed my operating system just now10:57
unholyskorndeb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main10:57
unholyskorni added that fing thing like it said10:57
unholyskornand it broke10:57
deathnoteunholyskorn: after that u need to type apt-get update -y; apt-get upgrade -y; apt-get dist-upgrade -y10:57
deathnoteunholyskorn: just do an apt-get update10:57
deathnoteunholyskorn: after changes10:58
unholyskorndoesnt work10:58
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Joshooac0nv1ct: So how do you suggest I set up my 40GB and 200GB Hard drives for Windows/Kubuntu/Media/Documents, hmm?10:58
deathnoteerror msg?10:58
premier_I hibernated, and then rebooted the computer, and it didnt recognized the saved state.  Then, I rebooted, and it did recognized the saved state, and it became corrupted10:58
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: i'd give Windows the 40gb, and Linux the 200gb10:58
unholyskorndeb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main10:58
unholyskornunholyskorn@BlackdragonLinux:~$ apt-get update -y10:58
unholyskornE: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)10:58
c0nv1ctJoshooa: if you plan on using Linux for most of your activities10:58
deathnotepremier_: what is corrupted? the whole harddisk or a file?10:58
Joshooac0nv1ct: That's what I was saying, but then I was told to make root on the 40, boot on the 200 and all this other crap that split them up10:58
deathnoteunholyskorn: paste me the line 34?10:59
Joshooac0nv1ct: I do, but 200 is also the slave10:59
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: right now, i have 250gb SATA drive for Vista, with just Adobe/Macromedia and Games, then 500gb SATA drive all for Ubuntu10:59
ubuntueek got to shut down10:59
ubuntukeep geting a bios beep10:59
premier_deathnote: apparently the whole disk, at least the partition.  fsck demanded that it be run manually, and i did, then I just pressed "y" (for yes) over and over, and it seems to have fixed it all10:59
c0nv1ctJoshooa: cuz i do all my downloading and mp3/video playing in linux10:59
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unholyskornwhy the F does this not run correctly11:00
ubuntulater ppl11:00
Joshooac0nv1ct: Yeah I want something like that, but I want the 40GB split into Windows installed, and Windows program install files (like Doom 3 Images), and then the 200GB into Swap, Kubuntu, Shared Music Drive, and then My Documents and stuff too11:00
deathnotepremier_: hmmm so now there are some corrupted files? could it due to your harddisk is old and having some bad sectors?11:00
c0nv1ctJoshooa: the tough part is deciding what you want Linux and Windows to share11:01
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deathnoteunholyskorn: paste me the line 34 in /etc/apt/sources.list ?11:01
Joshooac0nv1ct: I t hink windows being installed is what messed up my wireless card, and also my ... something else was messed up but I forgot11:01
c0nv1ctJoshooa: cuz Linux can read Windows, but not vise versa11:01
unholyskorni fixed it death11:01
deathnoteunholyskorn: so what's the new error msg?11:01
premier_deathnote: my laptop is only about 6 months old.  I think all the corrupted files are fixed... it boots anyway, and everything seems fine11:01
unholyskornits fixed11:01
unholyskornthere was a wierd Y with two dots over it in the string11:01
Joshooac0nv1ct: That's my hard part, but I want Windows to be able to see my documents, and the Media and Programs ones cause they are also going to be available on the network for my roommates to use, who could still install those Windows Programs11:02
deathnotepremier_: oic.. try hibinate again and see if same thing happens?11:02
deathnoteunholyskorn: huh?11:02
deathnoteunholyskorn: ps aux | grep adapt11:02
c0nv1ctJoshooa: yeah, best bet is to put your MP3s and other media on a NTFS partition then11:02
deathnoteunholyskorn: what u see?11:02
premier_deathnote: not sure... will I risk doing it again... or making it worse?11:02
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premier_deathnote: btw, my usb devices seem to be preventing hibernation.  Can I disable checking on this or something?11:03
deathnoteunholyskorn: ps aux | grep adept i mean11:03
Joshooawell this is fantastic11:03
JoshooaNow my drive is too full to empty the trash11:03
premier_Joshooa: lol11:04
JoshooaHow does that even happen?11:04
JoshooaI can't delete anything, and I can't empty the trash, what now11:04
deathnotepremier_: its better to simulate than avoid right? hehe11:04
deathnotepremier_: let me try to hibernate my laptop..brb11:04
premier_guess11:04
athlondang it. I asked this like an hour ago and forgot to check if anyone answered me. Let me try again.11:04
athlonI deleted my kubuntu-desktop package and now cant upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. Since I no longer have th 6.06 DVD, where can I download the dapper kubuntu-desktop deb package11:04
c0nv1ctJoshooa: wow, thats pretty messed up11:04
deathnotepremier_: are u using edgy?11:04
JoshooaI feel like i'm still in Windows11:05
c0nv1ctk, i think i setup my firewall right, anyone wanna see if i can DCC them ubuntu books?11:05
Joshooac0nv1ct: Me11:05
premier_deathnote: hai, so desu ne (yes)11:05
Joshooac0nv1ct: But I'm on Kopete, will that matter?11:05
c0nv1cthmm. i get an error about not being registered on freenode11:06
JoshooaMe too!11:06
JoshooaBut I so am11:06
JoshooaI don't care what it says11:06
JoshooaI wish I could go to the site, register there, and then use that info here, not have to message nick about it11:07
c0nv1ctwell, i registered, now what, lol11:07
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Joshooaexactly11:07
c0nv1cttry /msg nickserv set unfiltered on11:08
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c0nv1ctit seems to just hang on 'waiting for remote users acceptance'11:09
posingaspopulari think unholy got angry that he couldnt config ubuntu11:09
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Joshooac0nv1ct: Yeah I can't msg nickserv, it doesn't do anything11:10
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unholyskornarrg this is so stupid11:11
JoshooaI say set unfiltered on11:11
Joshooaand that's it11:11
posingaspopulardo /msg NickServ11:11
premier_man, did deathnote destroy his computer trying to replicate my error?  Thats just asking for trouble, i think11:11
posingaspopularthats it11:11
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Joshooaposingaspopular: It doesn't do anything11:11
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posingaspopularunholyskorn: you're still having problems?11:12
JoshooaI mean it opens a window to him, but he wont ever respond11:12
posingaspopulartype 'help'11:12
unholyskornyes, im trying to get this stupid beryl to work11:12
unholyskorni installed the ati drivers using envy11:12
unholyskorni then installed xgl and such through adept11:12
unholyskornthen i installed beryl11:12
posingaspopularah man you said beryl and ati.11:12
posingaspopularxgl AND beryl11:12
posingaspopular?11:12
unholyskornand i run it, and the icon loads but it wont go into it11:13
posingaspopularJoshooa: did that work.../11:13
Joshooaposingaspopular: Did what work?11:13
posingaspopularJoshooa: do /msg NickServ11:13
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posingaspopularthen type help11:13
Death-AngelBonjour tout le monde11:14
Joshooaposingaspopular: It opens a window, but nothing happens11:14
unholyskornwhats wrong with xgl and beryl?11:14
posingaspopularyea, type 'help'11:14
JoshooaI say help11:14
Death-Angelerf it's a english chan :S11:14
posingaspopular~fr11:14
unholyskornInstall Beryl on Ubuntu Edgy with XGL and ATI (Automatic installation)11:14
posingaspopular~fr11:14
unholyskornsays it on thier site11:14
posingaspopular!fr11:14
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.11:14
Death-Angelthx ;)11:15
posingaspopulari dont touch beryl or xgl honestly11:15
unholyskorn:(11:15
posingaspopularJoshooa: you say help and...11:15
Joshooaposingaspopular: ..../11:15
posingaspopularunholyskorn: try #beryl11:15
Joshooaposingaspopular: That's all that happens11:15
unholyskornnoone is in there talking11:15
posingaspopularor #ubuntu-effects11:15
Joshooaposingaspopular: It shows me saying help, and that's it11:16
posingaspopularJoshooa: who are you messaging11:16
Joshooaposingaspopular: nickserv@irc.kde.org11:16
posingaspopularit should be nickserv@services....11:17
Joshooaposingaspopular: Oh, it's not... but if I try /msg nickserve, cause I did that once, it doesn't work and it tells me he's not there11:17
c0nv1ctcrap, its late, i gotta sleep, cya guys11:17
posingaspopularSERV11:18
posingaspopularno e11:18
Joshooaposingaspopular: Same if I try adding @services11:18
Joshooaposingaspopular: I know11:18
Joshooaposingaspopular: My point was that he's there11:18
Joshooaposingaspopular: Otherwise it would tell me he's not11:18
Joshooaposingaspopular: But obviously, he's there and it's sending cause I don't get a user doesn't exist error11:19
posingaspopularhow are you adding a '@services'11:19
Joshooaposingaspopular: I typed it in, but it still adds @irc.kde.org anyway11:19
Joshooaposingaspopular: But I thought I'd give it a try11:19
posingaspopularmaybe one of the freenode ops can help you11:20
posingaspopularthat makes no sense tome11:20
Joshooaposingaspopular: Well I'll just go to bed, I'm tired of this, and also of not having enough free space to delete11:21
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posingaspopularJoshooa: what part are you using11:22
posingaspopularto connect11:22
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Joshooapart?11:23
JoshooaYou mean Kopete?  I think it may be a Kopete problem11:23
Joshooabut I can message and talk with ubotu just fine11:23
posingaspopularport11:23
posingaspopularport11:23
posingaspopular!ubotu11:23
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:23
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posingaspopular!nickserv11:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nickserv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:24
xnp! oxygen11:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about oxygen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:24
posingaspopular!hydrogen11:24
ubotuhydrogen: Simple drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2 (edgy), package size 3267 kB, installed size 9192 kB11:24
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posingaspopularJoshooa: i duno i dont use kopote11:24
posingaspopularkonversation forme11:24
posingaspopularbut night11:24
Joshooa!why you're so cool11:24
Joshooaheh11:25
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unholyskorn!bawls11:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bawls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:25
Joshooahe sent me a message sa ying "I'm only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent"11:25
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Joshooa!seamonkeys11:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seamonkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:25
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JoshooaI love being easily entertained11:25
posingaspopular!toasters11:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about toasters - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:26
stdin!botabuse11:26
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...11:26
Joshooa!anything11:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:26
posingaspopularoppr right stdin11:26
Joshooaheh11:26
posingaspopularsorry11:26
posingaspopularJoshooa: people get banned for doing that11:26
JoshooaOk I'm done11:26
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JoshooaBut I did make him say he doesn't know anything about anything11:27
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JoshooaSo, that was pretty cool11:27
stdinjust /msg ubotu something instead of flooding the channel :)11:27
JoshooaI know, sorry11:27
nelly26dragonpremier_ hey what does the k mean in kde?11:27
posingaspopularstdin: but he seriouslyshold know a thing or two about toasters11:27
posingaspopular!kde11:27
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.11:27
stdinnelly26dragon: the K means "K"11:27
JoshooaKool?11:27
premier_nelly26dragon: it means kiss my...11:27
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nelly26dragonoh thanks! Krispilicious it is11:28
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posingaspopularwhats the name of the kde dragon?11:28
allan__lol11:28
JoshooaKonqi11:28
posingaspopularoh k11:28
Joshooaisn't it/11:28
nelly26dragon1 point for joshooa11:28
unholyskornhow do i delete a file in terminal under sudo?11:28
Joshooawoo!11:28
unholyskornsudo del? lol11:28
allan__sudo rm.. heheh11:28
allan__gtg11:29
posingaspopularrm rt /filename11:29
posingaspopulariirc11:29
Joshooadoes my point roll over till tomorrow if I go to bed now/11:29
nelly26dragonsure11:29
nelly26dragonas long as you barrel roll on your bed first11:29
Joshooasweet11:29
posingaspopular!sleep | Joshooa11:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sleep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:29
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posingaspopularthis bot is broken... :(11:29
Joshooa!abuse | posingaspopular11:29
ubotuposingaspopular: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines11:29
premier_Joshooa: for your trash problem, have you tried rm at the command line?11:29
allan__im running kubuntu under VirtualBoxx11:30
frit`fonsdayhow can i change the name displayed in a terminal ? those name -- > frit@frit-desktop:/$11:30
Joshooapremier_: Nope11:30
allan__its great...11:30
JoshooaMan I hate it when I forget to type cd first11:30
unholyskornomg is it really 5:30 in the fing morning?11:30
premier_Joshooa: figure out the name and location of a file you want to delete, and then type "rm <name of file>" at the command line11:31
stdinfrit`fonsday: by changing your username and hostname11:31
Joshooaand it tells me I'm a directory, and I'm like, "Uh... y eah, I know! Oh, wait"11:31
frit`fonsdaynope unholyskorn its 11.31 am :D11:31
Joshooapremier_: Working on it, I'll let you know11:31
unholyskornno its not11:31
frit`fonsday:p11:31
nelly26dragonunholyskorn yes it is! but it's only 2:31 here, but i love morning fings too! Lady fings with milk = yum11:31
premier_Joshooa: try a file, not a directory11:31
unholyskornmy sister in law is having a baby today11:31
frit`fonsdaystdin: where can i change it so ? kde control panel ?11:32
xnpposingaspopular: what about hydrogen11:32
Joshooapremier_: It seems to have worked11:32
posingaspopular4 30 all of you are crazy11:32
premier_good11:32
nelly26dragonyay!11:32
premier_Joshooa: do you think if you delete enough, you can get your trash to work again?11:33
unholyskornmy sister in law is having a baby boy today and she doesnt even got a name lol11:33
Joshooapremier_: I hope11:33
posingaspopularxnp: nothing i was justmessing around with thebot, but apparently hydrogen is real11:33
Cugelunholy: that's no uncommon...11:33
Joshooapremier_: But everything I wanted to delete is in the trash!11:33
Joshooapremier_: I don't kn ow what else to delete11:33
premier_Joshooa: thats a really bizarre error11:33
unholyskornwell you got 9+ fing months to choose 1 thing lol11:33
premier_can you navigate to your trash folder wth konqueror?11:33
Joshooapremier_: Yeah, I'm not too concerned cause I plan to reinstall everything tomorrow11:33
unholyskornwe had one for my daughter when she was like 3 months prego lol11:33
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Joshooapremier_: Um, hold on11:34
CugelYeah in the end you just pick the first name that's on your mind.11:34
nelly26dragonJoshooa are you able to burn DVDs?11:34
stdinfrit`fonsday: System Settings -> User Management (for the username) and System Settings -> Network Settings -> Domain Name System (for the hostname)11:34
posingaspopularunholyskorn: baby sat two babies yesterday... nightmare.11:34
unholyskornheh, i have a 2 and a half year old daughter, her name is Abigail11:34
Joshooapremier_: Yeah in it11:34
Joshooanelly26dragon: Yes I did before11:34
Joshooanelly26dragon: Haven't tried since this error11:34
frit`fonsdayk thx a lot stdin :)11:35
stdinyw11:35
premier_Joshooa: to the biggest file, and right click, then select "copy"11:35
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Joshooanelly26dragon: But also I didn't have much luck with burning either, first it said 3.8GB was too much for my DVD, then when I finally got it, and it was verifying data, at 99.5% it failed11:35
premier_Joshooa: then go to the command line, type rm, and paste11:35
Joshooapremier_: ooh ok11:35
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premier_then delete the part that says "file://"11:35
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Joshooapremier_: No such file or directory11:36
Joshooapremier_: Even though I am looking at it in Konquerer11:36
intelikeyi'm having a lot of dpkg errors installing things....   i'm having to edit the .postinst scripts to get past them...11:36
Cugelintelli: what kind of errors?11:37
Joshooapremier_: nvm11:37
Cugelthe only errors I always get are dependency problems.11:37
Joshooapremier_: Did it again and it worked11:37
unholyskornWHY WHY WHY WHY THE F does programs not work 50% of the time in kubuntu11:37
intelikeypostinst script failed.11:37
Joshooaerror is still there t  hough11:37
posingaspopularunholyskorn: which ones?11:37
posingaspopularwhat version?11:37
posingaspopularetc11:37
unholyskorneverything11:37
unholyskornfrom adept manager, to beryl manager11:37
cpk1how would I get wine to be run as a different user through my X session? wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Warcraft\ III/Frozen\ Throne.exe -opengl X:0 gets angry at me11:38
unholyskorn50% of the time they sit there with the loading icon then dissapear11:38
nelly26dragonunholyskorn you have to think positively! "Good thing kubuntu runs programs 50% of the time instead of not working at all!"11:38
posingaspopularunholyskorn: its most likely a bad install11:38
posingaspopularthat stuff happens11:38
Joshooawow11:38
JoshooaSo, when I do ls, what can I put after it to make it easier to read11:38
Joshooacause if I try man ls, there's not enough room on the device11:38
Joshooagzip: stdout: No space left on deviceman: command '/bin/gzip -dc /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz' failed with exit status 25611:39
cpk1ls -l has nice output imo11:39
JoshooaI tried that, it looked the same to me11:39
Joshooaoh no I see it now with the window maximize11:39
Joshooad11:39
intelikeyJoshooa what do you mean "easier to read" ?11:39
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Joshooaintelikey: nvm i got it11:40
JoshooaOkay, so I deleted EVERYTHING but one thing I can't figure out how to type right, with rm, still have error, still can't man anything11:41
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posingaspopularblackflag: sorry to bother you, dig the nick though11:41
unholyskorngood thing 50%?11:41
unholyskornill just go back to windows if thats the case11:41
intelikeyJoshooa /tmp full ?11:41
unholyskornive never had a distro run like such crap11:41
unholyskornhell im thinkin about goin back to suse if this is how this thing runs lol11:42
intelikeyor /var/cache/man full ?11:42
nelly26dragonunholyskorn anything as long as it isn't mac11:42
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intelikeyor M$11:43
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Joshooaintelikey: I don't know how do I check11:44
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intelikeyJoshooa df -h11:44
Joshooahow do I see what's in my root folder with Konqueror11:44
intelikeyare any of the mounted devices more than 90% used up ?11:44
intelikeyJoshooa you "show hidden files"11:44
nelly26dragonhow much space do you have left on your hard drive anyways joshooa?11:44
intelikeyin konq's menus11:44
Joshooathat doesn't show tmp or var in terminal11:44
Joshooajust my /dev/hda2             7.4G  7.4G     0 100% /11:44
Joshooaintelikey: Thnx11:44
intelikeyyeah it shows / and both may be on /11:45
premier_besides kubuntu are there any distros that are particularly "good" ie they dont give the user a lot of trouble or break all the time?11:45
Joshooaintelikey: That's so funny, cause I had that on to get to my trash, then re hid them when I was done11:45
intelikeyok that's the problem.   what did you copy there ?11:45
premier_Joshooa: your hard drive is very small.  Is it an old computer?11:45
Joshooaubuntu was more stable for me, but not as pretty11:45
intelikeyJoshooa how did you fill up / ?11:45
Joshooaintelikey: Nothing, I tried deleting a DVD image and some video clips that were on my desktop, they moved to the trash, and then that's where my problem came from11:46
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Joshooaintelikey: I was almost full, so I copied those to my other computer, then sent to trash, went to empty trash, and now I'm here11:46
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Joshooaintelikey: But I've already went into ttrash and rm all of those, and then shift+del the last one11:46
intelikeyJoshooa and you don't have a seperate /home partition i see...    empty the trash.11:46
Joshooaintelikey: You didn't see this whole problem did you?11:47
intelikeyno11:47
Joshooaintelikey: That IS the problem, it wont let me empty the trash, cause I don't have enough room11:47
intelikeyjust came in.11:47
nelly26dragonjoshooa are u not able to restore then delete without putting it in the trash?11:47
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Joshooano11:47
Joshooano opion to restore, if I open trash, now it's empty cause I manually rm everything, but my drive is still 100% full11:48
intelikeyJoshooa ok.   in the konsole   sudo rm -r ~/local/trash        "if that's the correct address"11:48
xnpanybody know about the program linux multimedia studio11:48
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Joshooawell it seemed to rm, but, stil 100% full11:49
intelikeydidn't you have like 200g of space ?11:49
JoshooaOn my other drive11:49
Joshooaright now I'm running off an 8GB partition in my 40 GB HD11:49
JoshooaCause I was testing out Kubuntu11:49
JoshooaBut tomorrow I should be re-installed with much more space11:49
intelikeyok.11:50
JoshooaStill not sure If I'll have windows or not11:50
rappie11:50
nelly26dragonkeep windows for backup11:50
JoshooaBut then I have to do more partitions!11:50
JoshooaBut I may, that is my original thought11:50
JoshooaBackup, cause I know how to use it, and to play games in11:50
nelly26dragonyou never know when you'll need to jump through the windows for emergency purposes11:51
JoshooaPlus, I've collected a lot of software over the years, and being in dial up that whole time, I'd hate to just delete all my programs and stuff I have for windows11:51
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premier_Joshooa: if you have the money, you should by an external hard drive, then backup windows onto it and start using linux11:51
nelly26dragonvery true11:51
nelly26dragonvery yes11:51
Joshooapremier_: I don't11:51
premier_zannen desu ne11:52
intelikeyJoshooa you might sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop     *that will dump you into a console, don't panic! *    login and sudo rm what ever trash there is clean out /tmp   sudo rm -r /tmp/*  and   sudo rm -r /tmp/.???*   then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start   see if it fixes it.11:52
nelly26dragonbtw i'm not sure if you SHOULD really be trying to keep system files for 2 Operating systems on that 40 gig hard drive11:53
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nelly26dragonthat'll take up too much space11:53
nelly26dragonespecially the windows stuff11:53
Joshooapremier_: What I want to do, is take my 40GB, install WIndows on it, and copy over all the Windows related software, then partition my 200GB into Swap, Kubuntu, Shared Media, and Documents drives11:53
intelikeymight clean out ~/.kde/*/cache too11:53
Joshooaintelikey: Will do, brb11:53
Joshooawait11:53
Joshooashould I write all this down before I do this?11:53
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posingaspopularyes11:54
posingaspopular!11:54
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intelikeywhen you issue the kdm stop command you will be killing X and everything in it11:54
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JoshooaOkay11:54
ForgeAushey inteli :)11:54
JoshooaProblem with that11:54
intelikeyForgeAus11:54
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ForgeAusyou'll be glad to know I'm in kubuntu chatting to you now :)11:54
JoshooaI don't think I can get back online if I do th at, cause I don't think my wireless card setting will hold, cause they never do11:54
ForgeAus(not like XP yesterday)11:54
JoshooaWay to go Forge!11:54
JoshooaNot sure what's going on, but not in XP = Good11:55
intelikeyJoshooa it's not a reboot.11:55
Joshooaintelikey: I still don't want to risk it, plus I am copying files over my network right now11:55
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intelikeywell that would be broken.11:55
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JoshooaYeah11:56
intelikeybut i don't think you would loose connectivity.11:56
JoshooaAlso11:56
JoshooaI can't even delete files off of my hdb111:56
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intelikeyyou would break the dl.    or  ul  which ever it is.11:56
Joshooaul11:56
posingaspopularJoshooa: permissions11:56
JoshooaTaking everything off my computer so that tomorrow I can erase all my hard drives11:57
Joshooaposingaspopular: It wont let me change permissions, I can change the drop down menu, but when I hit okay, it tells me no11:57
posingaspopularJoshooa: computers are crazy...11:58
Joshooaposingaspopular: Yeah11:58
JoshooaIs there a way I can get GPart to boot off my USB and then put that in, and then boot up, and use it to format both drives into all the partitions I want?11:58
intelikeyyeah.  it's weird.  they call it "deleting"   when you click and "move to trash"  but what it does is makes two copies on the hd and they call that deleting.... heh11:58
posingaspopular!grub11:58
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto11:58
Joshooaand THEN do my installs, without having to do the partitioning during Windows/Kubuntu install?11:58
LynoureJoshooa: there is a gpart livecd. Maybe that could be tweaked to run off usb drive, too.11:59
JoshooaLynoure: I think so, I read something about it, but not  how to or anything, but I believe there is11:59
LynoureJoshooa: but it does fit on a business card cdrom, so that's quite tiny too11:59
JoshooaLynoure: Although I can't use my hard drive to get any files so I don't know what I'll do about that11:59
intelikeyJoshooa nope.  the gui installer insists on formating the / or it wont install11:59
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intelikeysick i know, but imo the whole gui installer is sick.12:00
Joshooaintelikey: You don't have to format12:00
intelikeyon the live CD ?12:00
intelikeyyeah you have to format /12:00
Joshooaintelikey: Someone on a forum was trying to do an install and didn't want to format, he didn't12:01
Joshooaintelikey: Although, I am both new and not positive I know what he's talking about, so I'll just believe you12:01
intelikeyunless they changed it between dapper and edgy you do.12:01
Joshooaintelikey: He was trying to dual install 5.1 and 6.112:01
Joshooaintelikey: I remember that much12:01
Joshooaintelikey: And he asked, "If I choose format drive, will it erase everything?"12:01
intelikey5.10 and 6.10 ?12:02
Joshooaintelikey: Uh...  yeah12:02
intelikeythe numbers are year.month12:02
Joshooaintelikey: ok12:02
intelikeyso 6.06 is the same as 6.6  but 6.10 != 6.112:02
intelikeysee the differance ?12:03
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JoshooaI see, but now I'm not sure what versions he was talking about12:03
JoshooaI know it was 5.# and 6.#12:04
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intelikeyanyway.  if you use the liveCD and don't let it format /    on the 6.6 live CD it won't work.   the 6.10 may have changed.12:04
intelikeyliveCD installer came out in 6.6 so before that it's all cli installer   well ncurses text mode.12:05
intelikeylike the "laternate install cd"12:05
JoshooaYeah, I couldn't understand why he didn't want to, because from what I understood, it would make them both use the same root and home files, I think12:05
JoshooaAgain though, too new to be sure12:05
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JoshooaWell I really should be in bed, I have an interview in 8 h ours12:06
intelikeycould be what he thought he wanted but i can assure you that installing two versions on one root will cause lots of problems.12:06
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Joshooawhoa12:07
Joshooawait12:07
JoshooaI thought it would too12:07
JoshooaSo12:07
Joshooai was closing windows getting ready to go to bed, and I have GParted open12:07
intelikeymany files overwriten and some having dependancies that nothing ever uses anymore.... configs that are not over writen are dubbled....12:08
Joshooaand it says...  /dev/hda2 is ext3, blah blah blah, Size 7.48GB, Used 4.47GB, Unused 3.93GB, how in the world12:08
Joshooaand that free space would match up to the dvd I deleted12:08
Joshooaroughly12:08
intelikeythat's what i was trying to tell you.  closing the gui will probably release the space.    and restarting it would then have all kinds of free room12:09
JoshooaWell, I'll get to it tomorrow12:10
JoshooaAfter I get everything copied over12:10
intelikeybut rming anything in trash while it was down was a precaution i was adding.   and hoping that my guess was right on konq reporting incorrectly.12:10
Joshooacause i don't want to risk breaking my wireless connection, just so I can fix it to copy a few more things to reformat12:10
JoshooaI just don't get how it got so full12:11
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intelikeyok.   did you close konqueror  and in the konsole do   df -h again   that might be all it needs...12:11
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Joshooanope still 100% used12:12
intelikeyyeah.  well tomarrow then.12:12
Joshooabut is 2.6.12-10 My kernel version?12:12
Joshooa-generic12:12
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intelikeycould be.  but that's not new.12:12
intelikeyuname -r12:12
intelikeyuname -r   <<< displays kernel version12:13
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intelikeyfor the running kernel.12:13
intelikeyls /lib/modules  can show all installed versions.12:13
Joshooawell then yes it is my kernel12:14
Joshooawhat is the new kernel12:14
JoshooaThat's the one I got when I downloaded Ubuntu12:14
Joshooals /lib/modules12:14
Joshooaha, sorry12:14
Joshooawrong window12:14
Joshooait's on top so I thought it was selected12:14
intelikeyon edgy... 2.6.17-something....12:14
oemhow do i open or install an Rpm format program?12:15
Joshooawhoops12:15
JoshooaI meant 1712:15
Joshooa2.6.17-10-generic  2.6.17-11-generic12:15
JoshooaThat's what I got12:15
intelikeyon dapper 2.6.15-2812:15
JoshooaI thought 11 was beta though12:15
Joshooaright?12:15
intelikeybeta  no.12:15
JoshooaI thought odd numbered ones were beta and u nstable12:16
intelikeyno second digit only.12:16
waylandbillno. the 11 is the package release number.12:16
intelikeykernel versioning.   second digit odd unstable testing   even stable production.12:16
oemum hello?12:16
cpk1oem: alien, but you should try to find a deb first12:17
intelikeyall other number irrelivent to that fact.12:17
oemdeb?12:17
waylandbilldebian package12:17
intelikeyoem what's the package name ?12:17
oemhmm ok can i ask what progrma has the rpm extension?12:18
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waylandbilland preferably an ubuntu deb package with priority to any other deb12:18
waylandbill!rpm12:18
ubotuRPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)12:18
flaccidprograms don't have an rpm extension, hopefuly12:18
JoshooaSo, should I be running 2.6.17-11 instead? And how can I tell if i have the most up to date one?12:18
JoshooaI booted up under 11 once, but then all my settings were gone and I thought it was beta so I went back to 1012:19
cpk1Joshooa: uname -a will tell you kernel info12:19
Joshooauname -a12:19
Joshooadammit12:19
Joshooafreaking window on top keeps confusing me12:19
Cugeluname -r12:19
CugelBoth work.12:19
Joshooa-a seems to have more info12:20
Joshooanot really useful to my newbie eyes persay, but more12:20
flaccida is for all12:20
waylandbillJoshooa: installing "linux-generic" will make you have the newest one when ubuntu releases the newest one, /if/ that's what you want to do.12:20
Joshooaheh12:20
intelikeyJoshooa to always have the newest release for your installation enable security and updates repos and run sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     that will by default always install the newest kernel for your system.12:21
Joshooawhy wouldn't I want the latest one though?12:21
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flaccidif you don't know, you probably don't need12:21
waylandbillthat is the default behavior I beleive12:21
intelikey!commonsense12:21
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.12:21
Joshooathanks intelikey12:21
intelikeysee ubotu   ^12:21
JoshooaI saw12:22
JoshooaI only want the latest stable versions though12:22
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CugelI'd wait for the Feisty final release -- and then wait for a week or two to see if there are real complaints.12:22
intelikeylsb-release -a12:22
flaccidlsb_12:22
intelikeyJoshooa then the update & security repos are for you.12:22
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intelikeyflaccid is it underscore ?12:23
Joshooayes _12:23
Joshooano -12:23
intelikeyi haven't seen that script in so long...12:23
flaccidi think12:23
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JoshooaWell I'll learn more of what I want later12:23
JoshooaRight now, I'm willing to try anything, cause I'm going to format and reinstall anyway, so, worst case scenario, I have to reformat and reinstall12:24
flaccidyou can upgrade the kernel if you want basically12:24
intelikeyah it is underscore12:24
JoshooaI figure at least I'll try and learn some commands and get used to Linux a little more first, and after I feel stable I wont be so willing to do anything12:24
flaccidwell dist-upgrade is latest stable so thats cool12:24
flaccidif you are on a stable release12:24
flaccidiirc?12:25
intelikeyheh there's why i havent see the script in so long....  http://pastebin.ca/38611412:25
waylandbillJoshooa: you may try something like linuxbasics.org. That gives pretty good fundamentals to many commands.12:25
flaccidnice intelikey12:25
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intelikeyi think the /etc/lsb_release having only one word in it caused that12:26
Joshooathank waylandbill12:26
intelikeycat /etc/lsb-release12:26
intelikeynone12:26
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intelikeythat's where i got the dash i guess...12:27
berkesCan anyone tell me what the best practice would be to allow more users then just the "admins" to connect to wireless networks?12:27
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JoshooaHmm, well I can delete off my roommates window's drive12:27
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berkesI use Wireless Assistent (wlassistent), and fiddled a bit with /etc/sudoers but w/o success12:27
intelikeylol Joshooa of course you can.  it's M$ you can delete the whole system....12:28
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Joshooaintelikey: I don't want to do that, my stuff is on there now12:30
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intelikeyberkes what's the command to connect ?   you can add it to sudoers.  i'll show you.12:30
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Joshooawhat is M$ th ough?12:30
berkeswlassistant is a gui tool around ifup/iwscan/iwconfig12:31
intelikeyadd a line like this; ALL ALL=(ALL) ALL:/usr/bin/wlassistant12:31
Tm_TJoshooa: Some M-cash or something, No idea.12:31
waylandbill%wireless ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wlassistant     should do it.12:32
berkesintelikey: will try. Sec.12:32
intelikeyshould let anyone run wlassistant  but giving them right to do nothing else.12:32
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waylandbillor like intellikey's suggestion too12:32
intelikeyberkes and check the path.   which wlassistant12:32
berkesyea.12:32
intelikeywaylandbill making a wireless group would be more involved... but probably safer.12:33
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berkesintelikey: would it not be better to make a group'?12:33
JoshooaI'm so glad I just checked what files I wanted there, cut it down from copying 30GB to 312:33
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waylandbillberkes: yes, but it is another few steps.12:34
berkesoh heh, I am repeating what you said :)12:34
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intelikeyberkes is you want to restrict the access yes.  if you want to give free access to all to that app then no.12:34
dystopianraywhat script/program is handling the mute button on a laptop? It's muting 'Master' but I want it to mute 'PCM'12:34
intelikeyit all depends on what you want to cause.12:35
Joshooaok bye all thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll want more tomorrow!12:35
Joshooaer, today!12:35
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intelikeydystopianray idk it might be a khotkey12:35
dystopianrayintelikey: ah no it's /etc/acpi/mutebtn.sh12:36
dystopianraywhere is acpi_fakekey's behaviour defined?12:36
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intelikeyacpi hmmm nice.12:36
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berkesdystopianray: afaiks its a setting in kmix12:37
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intelikey. /usr/share/acpi-support/key-constants12:37
intelikeyacpi_fakekey $KEY_MUTE12:37
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intelikeyit's sourcing /usr/share/acpi-support/key-constants12:37
intelikeyso look there.12:38
dystopianrayberkes_: no it's not12:38
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dystopianrayintelikey: all that does is give $KEY_MUTE the value of 113, I want to know what is reacting to acpi_fakekey $KEY_MUTE12:38
berkesright, I thought you were referring to the mute on the little speaker in the systray. Sorry :)12:38
intelikeyKEY_MUTE=11312:39
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leon_holasss12:40
dystopianrayintelikey: yes I know, but what is happening after acpi_fakekey is run?12:40
intelikeyacpi_fakekey is the app.      man it.    /usr/bin/acpi_fakekey12:40
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intelikeyassuming there is a man page.12:41
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dystopianrayintelikey: there is no man page, it seems to send a fake acpi event that is caught by something else which then mutes the soundcard12:42
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waylandbilldystopianray: you could probably tell from acpi_fakekey's source what it does.12:43
intelikeyi would probably just remap that key and use the kde hotkey editor to set the mute button to mute the pcm  if i was trying to get to that point.  but i'm more of a work around guy than a "fixer" i guess.12:43
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intelikey"if it's not broke, don't fix it"     " if it's broke, move it over and start fixing something else; cause that's probably how it got broke"12:45
waylandbill:)12:46
dystopianrayhrrm, well i'll just replace the acpi_fakekey call with one to amixer12:46
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intelikeyoooops.  now i have a thousand broken packages half installed....    tried installing  gnome   that seems to have been a bad idea.12:47
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dystopianrayah, it's not acpi_fakekey that handles it, something else is12:50
ben__has anyone here got a hp dvXXXX notebook?12:51
ben__I am wondering if the latest stable alsa drivers will activate the headphone jacks12:51
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intelikeyanyone want to see my error ?12:56
intelikeyit's a dandy.12:56
_eMaX_yo all12:56
_eMaX_ne1 has problems w/ flash player 9?12:57
Lynoureintelikey: hmm, what did you do?12:57
intelikeyLynoure you want a pastbin url or a dcc file of the error ?12:57
intelikey:)12:57
intelikeyhttp://pastebin.us/?dl=1638312:57
Lynoureintelikey: I don't do dcc.12:58
intelikeyLynoure anyway i told apt to install   gnome12:58
intelikeygot that out of it :)12:58
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intelikeyyeee haa12:59
Lynoureintelikey: interesting, reported it? it is a bug, imo.12:59
intelikeynah i probably don't have one of the deps that the first failing script expected.   and that's not a big deal i may install ubuntu-base and see if it fixes it.01:00
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Ace2016Hi all01:01
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intelikeyactually ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal01:02
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intelikeyhowever i do agree that the packages should depend on what ever they depend on.  not just assume that it's there.01:02
_eMaX_is there a way to downgrade from flash9 to flash701:03
intelikeylike bash for instance   assuming that bash is on every system is dumb with a big D01:03
intelikeyand yes all the things that depend on bash rather than sh just assume that you have bash installed they don't add it as a dep.01:04
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intelikey_eMaX_ there is always a way.   uninstalling flash and then manually installing the .deb of the other version     i think there is a .deb...01:07
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intelikeywell i have apt going my way again.... if it don't puke more errors than one can shake a stick at....01:09
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berkesadding wlassistant to /etc sudoers did not help me much. I am now getting errors from "Xlib" about not being able to connect to the xserver01:22
berkesXlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server01:22
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berkesand running wlassinstant wrapped in kdesu does not help either, kdesu does not seem to use sodoers.01:23
berkesany hints on how to allow other users to connect to Teh Intarweb? I can hardly beleive I am the first one to run into this.01:25
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waylandbillberkes: are you running on display 1.0 or 0.0?01:26
berkes1.001:26
berkesits the second x session.01:26
waylandbillright. ok.01:26
berkeswhat is the best way to find that out, though? I spent quite some time hunting for it just now.01:27
waylandbill'set | grep DISPLAY'  possibly01:27
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kubunturfhello !01:28
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odb|fidel_lo01:28
odb|fidel_is the latest kubuntu DVD iso similar to ubuntu release ? so i can boot as live cd/dvd and then install it if i want it ?01:29
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odb|fidel_or is it a install medium only ?01:29
berkeswaylandbill: would a badly coded KDE app run into trouble when it does not run on 0.0 ?01:29
odb|fidel_without live-cd/dvd function01:29
waylandbillodb|fidel_: yes. it's live.01:29
odb|fidel_thank you very much waylandbill01:29
eeosI would like to see the list of the processes at bootstrap, with their status. is that possible in ubuntu? I only see the logo ad the loading bar.01:29
odb|fidel_have a nice day. good bye01:30
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waylandbillberkes: I wouldn't think so. most are going to use display variable.01:30
berkeskay.01:30
waylandbilleeos: try taking off 'quiet' and 'splash' from boot line.01:32
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eeoswaylandbill thanks a lot, I will try!01:34
waylandbilleeos: there's no satisfaction gaurantee. That's a best guess. :-)01:35
eeosalso, I would like the wireless connection to be disabled at startup, but not matter what I do, it is always enabled.01:36
eeos:(01:36
waylandbillI know blacklisting it would do that, but then I don't think you could modprobe it later.01:37
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Frost^-Hello.01:39
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intelikeyok i have a real error.   this does look like a bug.01:39
Frost^-Can anyone tell me how to remove a metapackage?01:39
waylandbilleeos: when you configure the wireless, tell it to not be activated at boot. Unless you mean you want the RF to not be on at boot.01:39
intelikeyCannot find /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-38601:39
intelikeydpkg: error processing udev (--configure):01:39
guidenoh no01:40
_eMaX_intelikey: thanks.01:40
intelikeythe reason it can't find 2.6.15-27-386 is because i'm running 2.6.15-28-38601:40
guidensomething is wrong with my xorg, I can only choose from 640x400 and 640x480 again, how do I reconfigure X?01:40
_eMaX_guiden: now first thing where is your old /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:40
intelikey_eMaX_ what did i do wrong this time ?01:40
eeoswaylandbill this is what I did. what is the RF?01:41
_eMaX_intelikey: I said thanks because you referred me to uninstalling manually and installing then my own version of flash which is probably what I am going to do.01:41
guidenI haven't done anything with the xorg.conf file, This just happend after I started the computer.01:41
intelikeyso the udev update package is buggy.01:41
intelikeyoh that.   welcome _eMaX_01:41
_eMaX_.oO(I am not cynical _every_ time) :-)01:42
waylandbilleeos: the transceiver. I'm not sure if you just want the wireless not configured or if you are looking to conserve power.01:42
intelikey:)01:42
intelikeymaybe i am....01:42
_eMaX_guiden: yes but where is the backup of that file :)01:42
intelikeycynical or clinical or somfin01:42
eeoswaylandbill I want the transceiver switched off.01:43
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guidenoh god, there is like 10 different xorg-config files01:43
_eMaX_clinical sounds bad. I sometimes get clinical when Beryl on Feisty keeps crashing my machine...01:43
eeoswaylandbill no matter what I do it goes on (enabled), I have to disable it manually.01:43
_eMaX_guiden: then look for the last working one and try them. Therein you can configure your screen resolutions, but first I'd try to figure out whether you just accidentally now have replaced your working one.01:44
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_eMaX_guiden: no need to reboot the computer. Just copy over any of the files to xorg.conf then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X01:44
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intelikeyyeah.  well having dpkg errors for two days will make you clinical too01:45
guiden_eMax_:ok, well, something is wrong with my keyboard, can you do a pipe sign01:45
_eMaX_yes of course. Here is one for you to copy paste |01:45
guidenthanks01:45
intelikeyoh i know what it's doing now. it's building a new initramfs for a kernel i don't have.... that's the bug in "udev"  ha01:46
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intelikeydoes gnome have to have  hald  to run ?01:47
nicola#italia01:47
intelikeyi know wrong channel.   ok.01:47
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guiden_eMaX_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9225/ Which one should I get is the original one?01:47
guidenwhich is01:48
waylandbilleeos: make an init-script that calls rmmod for your wireless card's module.01:48
waylandbilleeos: that should turn off the transceiver. You'll need to modprobe later to re-enable.01:48
eeoswaylandbill thanks. and to switch it off (not configured)? because even when I set do not start at boot, it still configures it01:49
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waylandbilleeos: it won't be configured after you rmmod it's module.01:51
waylandbilleeos: i.e. it will no longer appear in ifconfig01:51
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eeoswaylandbill thanks. and if i want it to appear in ifconfig, and to be disabled?01:52
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waylandbilleeos: you modprobe it, but make sure in /etc/interfaces it doesn't have the word "auto"01:54
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eeosdo not have the file /etc/interfaces01:55
waylandbilleeos: /etc/network/interfaces01:56
eeosthere is a line for iface ra0 inet dhcp01:57
eeos        wireless-mode managed01:57
eeos        wireless-essid any01:57
eeosbut how the syntax of this file? I do not have any manual page for it.01:57
waylandbillis there "auto ra0" ?01:58
eeosno01:58
waylandbillhmm. I thought auto is needed to bring it up automatically.01:58
waylandbillotherwise, you'd have to run if-up on it to bring it up.01:59
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berkes_http://www.degredo.net/ lol01:59
eeosit is not there. it is ery, very frustrating. :(02:01
waylandbilleeos: well, I'd try rmmod and modprobe. Maybe you'll be lucky and modprobing will not configure it.02:02
eeosberkes_ very funny :D02:02
eeoswaylandbill thanks, I will try!02:02
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Russelhiho02:03
Russelwhat is the difference between the normal install and the alternate?02:03
Russelcd version02:03
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emonkeynormal is a Live CD with graphical install, alternate is a textbased install version with additional install possiblieties02:04
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Russelok then: textbase for president! :)02:04
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Brazil4LinuxHow I can remove the "Switch User" option from Kicker02:04
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eeoshow do you enable backports repository? I want to see if the next kernel is better at handling this problem.02:06
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equipo12hello02:07
equipo12hay algien hay02:08
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eilker!alsa02:11
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ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP302:11
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eeos!backport02:13
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:13
eeos!backports02:13
ubotuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports02:13
eilkersuddenly i have no sound in pc....02:14
eeoseilker I did not take it! :P02:16
eeoseilker what is your card?02:16
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eilkereeos: i solved it now, thanx :)02:17
eilkerit was some kmixer problem02:17
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eeoseilker ok02:18
eilkereeos: i have another problem, after upgrading to edgy, i cant get login screen02:18
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smilehello world02:18
smileI need a small help02:18
eilkerhello space :P02:19
eilker!help02:19
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:19
smileI want remove a broken pack !!02:19
eilkeri think u can use aptitude02:19
eilkerwhich package ?02:19
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eeoseilker sorry? could you explain?02:19
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eilkereeos: ubuntu 6.10 , 2.6.17-11-386 my kernel, xserver 7.1.1, and i have intel i810 1:1.6.5 ,this may conflict ? i cant get login screen,(EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (0),(EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module requirement mismatch, 0),(EE) No drivers available.Fatal server error:no screens found //but i even use aixgl, i have 3d beryl at the moment.02:20
eilker*kubuntu02:20
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Lil99Is there a bootloader that is faster than grub or lilo ?02:23
Lil99 Is there a bootloader that is faster than grub or lilo ?02:24
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apokryphosthe bootloader isn't slow; the BIOS setups are02:24
eeoseilker try to clen things out, for example uninstall beryl and company and restart. but it really looks like an incompatibility between the kernel and the module.02:25
fulat2khi folks, any idea where i can get additional GTK styles for KDE?02:25
Lil99thanks02:25
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eilkereeos: yes u r right, there is incompability, but how to solve it at all ? i mean that do we have more things to do, except of uninstalling beeryl ?02:27
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eeoseilker I would go for that first of all.02:27
eeosI have to go, be back in afternoon.02:28
eilkereeos: even evening here, take care :D02:28
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eeosenjoy your meal, whoever is going to have lunch break :)02:29
eeoseilker :)02:29
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blue|palmhelp: I left my kubuntu pc on last night while it was downloading a torrent, and at about 3:pm today i tried to resume using it but kde froze. I then reset my x server with CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and now i cant login using kdm anymore. kdm starts and I can enter my username and password, but when i hit enter the screen goes black and kdm just restarts02:40
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bustanilhi all02:46
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jryhiggins!nvidia02:48
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto02:48
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HymnToLifejryhiggins, if searching factoids for yourself, please ask the bot in private so you don't flood the channet :)02:49
HymnToLifechannel*02:49
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jryhigginsok sorrry02:54
jryhigginsstill green here02:54
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BluesKajHowdy All :)02:58
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helenaHow do i insert special characters in kmail's emails?03:01
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pansenmannhi folks03:01
Lamingtonhelena: maybe someone in #kontact can answer03:02
helenasweet thnx!03:03
Lamingtonnp03:03
pansenmanni have big trouble getting wifi with wpa2 working, i tried everything that i found in several howtos (even non-gentoo ones) but when i run wpa_supplicant -i eth1 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf i always get the error : WPA: Unsupported AES-WRAP len 7603:04
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pansenmanndoes anybody know what this message means?03:04
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guidenI got two panels but I can only configure one..03:16
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ckdgreetings03:19
ckdeverybody know, where I can get x86/glibc-2.5 ?03:20
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BluesKaj!glibc03:21
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:21
radius!dst03:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:22
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ckdnobody know this ?03:26
ckdI want install crossover office03:26
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ckd!Help03:29
ckd!help03:29
ckd!facts03:29
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ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots03:29
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about facts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:29
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Vamp898does anyone of you know a programm to decode mp4 or xVid to MPEG1 or 2 ???03:30
Vamp898!de03:30
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de03:30
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Vamp898something like Avidemux03:31
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BenjaminB_does anyone know of a tool to create soundboards? soundboards as in "a gui to play different sounds with a one-button-click"03:36
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BenjaminB_something like what a icehockey announcer has in front of him to play different jingles03:37
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Ash-Fox!ntfs03:38
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse03:38
Ash-Fox!ntfs-3g03:38
ubotuntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)03:38
n8k99BenjaminB_:  try terminatorX03:38
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BenjaminB_ah thx03:38
n8k99you might be able to get that sort of behavior03:39
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guidenoh god I love kubunu03:47
waylandbillguiden: :)03:49
guidenit's kubuntu of course! :p03:50
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BenjaminB_http://www.brainblog.de/mediaview/139/Vista_vs_Ubuntu <-- a little off topic, but for everybody who didn't knew it03:51
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unholyskornwhy does my god damn beryl work but theres no acceleration at all!03:51
BluesKajATI?03:52
unholyskornyes03:52
BluesKajunholyskorn, that' the tradeoff with ati on kubuntu03:53
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unholyskorn?03:53
unholyskornso im gonna have 1-5 fps while running beryl cause i use ati and xgl?03:54
BluesKajsearch it on google03:54
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BluesKaj!ATI03:54
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto03:54
unholyskornsearch what?03:54
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unholyskorni have the proprietary ati driver installed by envy03:55
unholyskornthat wrong?03:55
BluesKajunholyskorn, your attitude sucks but here try this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-203:59
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unholyskornmy attitude sucks?04:00
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pr0phethello04:03
unholyskornhi04:03
pr0phetwhat's up?04:03
sgaspar_evolution error help!04:03
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BluesKajunholyskorn, we aren't responsible if you can't describe your problem properly, ATI is a problem in Kubuntu , it's well known ...don'rt act as if it's our fault04:04
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Ahmuckdoes kubuntu have some sort of autodetect hardware?04:05
unholyskornwhat are you talking about?04:05
Ahmuckor a program that will do autodetect?04:05
Ahmuckplug the device in, and it "detects" it04:06
Ahmucklike in windows04:06
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bumzomount!04:07
geert_I have a problem. please help. My adept will not open, it displays a messige the an other application is using this program. but i do not now how to close that.04:07
bumzo!mount04:07
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter04:07
pr0phetgeert, do you have anything else open? like synaptic or any other package managers?04:07
bumzo!diskmounter04:07
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse04:07
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geert_Now i do not and i thouht off that and coled everything04:08
geert_closed i mean04:08
bumzoHi Kubuntu pple04:09
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pr0phethello04:09
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bumzoi need help trying to have full read and acess right to an external usb hard drive (ntfs)04:09
BluesKaj!hardware04:09
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport04:09
pr0phetumm. well if everythings closed nothing should b eusing it lol, could try restarting i suppose04:09
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BluesKaj!pnp04:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pnp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:10
geert_I did that and mister prophet and no use thanks04:10
pr0phethm, not sure what else to tell you then, i'm still learning a lot of kubuntu myself, sorry i can't help more04:11
BluesKajbumzo , does the drive show up in 'storage media' ?04:11
pr0phetbumzo..you could try http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-your-widows-partitions-and-make-it-readwritable-in-ubuntu.html04:11
pr0phetthat got my windows partition mounted, i suppose it may help with usb as well04:11
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geert_I think that somehow i must have changed the setting?04:11
geert_Wal i must try and vind asollution elsware, but thanks ol the same.04:13
bumzoyes blueskaj04:13
bumzoit is showing in my storage media04:13
bumzobut i dont have full read and write access04:13
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pr0phetyou mean you can read the files and everything just can't act as admin?04:14
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BluesKajbumzo , right click on the drive and click the share button04:15
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bumzoi have blueskaj ... but i get the error message ''Could not change permissions for /media/sda1.''04:19
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BluesKajbumzo, I'm assuming you did what pr0phet suggested and installed ntfs-3g ?04:20
bumzoyes it is installed successfully04:20
BluesKajis it configured in fstab ?04:21
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bumzohow do you do that?04:21
mindspin!automatix04:22
ubotuautomatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe04:22
BluesKajit's on the same page as the install instructions04:22
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BluesKajbumzo, http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-your-widows-partitions-and-make-it-readwritable-in-ubuntu.html04:22
NSCAD_Nathananyone know if xjadeo is available as a package?04:23
kimmernHey! I was messing around with beryl last night, and on rendering options, I choose "force xgl" when i had the choice between that and "force aiglx" and "force nvidia"..which obviesly  was a stupid thing..beryl won't work, and i cant get into the beryl settings to change back..ive tried uninstall an reinstall, but still it wont work..can anyone help?04:23
BluesKajBBL, errands to do04:23
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guidenhow do I restore the konqueror-web profile? I changed it but I can't find a default button04:24
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bumzoadvice guiden ... switch to firefox04:25
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chavokimmern, you can rm ~/.beryl-managerrc04:26
kimmernchavo, and what does that do?04:26
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chavoIt will revert beryl-manager settings to default04:27
guidenI have firefox04:27
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guidenbumzu, I fixed it, I just had to remove the default profile that I changed, and then a new one came, with the default settings.04:29
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bcochofel!pt04:29
ubotupt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.04:29
guidenbumzo, but why do you want me to use firefox? Is it better do develop webpages with firefox than konqueror, I'm doing it now.04:30
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bumzoyup guiden04:30
karlhi04:30
pr0phethello04:30
karlnow, i'm chatting the first time in this room... can you say me please, what this room is about?04:31
Sannehi04:31
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Sannekarl: it's a help channel for the Kubuntu Linux distribution04:32
karlah... ok, thanks04:32
Sannekarl: also see /topic04:32
bcochofelI'm having trouble w keyboard (portuguese here). works from the console without X11 but from X11 doesn't?04:32
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karlam i allowed to distribute ubuntu on my ftp-server?04:33
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waylandbillkarl: I think you need to offer the source code as well.04:34
karlok04:35
bumzoblueskaj04:35
bumzobumzo@Bumzo:~$ /etc/fstab04:35
bumzobash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied04:35
bumzo???04:35
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pr0phettry typing sudo -s and logging in as root bumzo04:36
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Sannekarl: you can read a bit about the licenses that apply to the various parts of ubuntu (which should also apply to kubuntu). It might help you get an idea: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing?highlight=%28distribute%2904:38
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bumzobumzo@Bumzo:~$ sudo -s04:38
bumzoroot@Bumzo:~# /etc/fstab04:38
bumzobash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied04:38
bumzoroot@Bumzo:~#04:38
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karlthx04:38
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The_Untiledanyone can learn me how to install lilo?04:39
yamalbumzo: /etc/fstab is a text file, not an executable. you cannot run it, just open it in an editor04:39
bumzothatnks yamal ... how do i do that?04:40
pr0phettry kwrite /etc/fstab04:40
Dr_willis!lilo04:40
ubotulilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.04:40
Dr_williswhy do you want  lilo?04:40
Dr_willissudo apt-get install lilo04:40
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pr0pheti have to say dr, lilo does look cooler lol, which is really the main reason anyone would want to use it04:41
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The_Untiledyes04:42
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The_Untiledit's for this reason :D04:42
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The_Untiledand because I want to try it..04:42
yamalbumzo: when in kde, hit ALT+F2, and run 'kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab'04:42
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bumzocnow am there04:43
SanneThe_Untiled: grub can have a splash image (in case you didn't know)04:44
The_Untiledo..yes??and how?04:44
jhutchinslilo -R <temporary default boot> && shutdown -r now <= That's why lilo rules.04:44
SanneThe_Untiled: I never tried it myself, but here's some info on that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:45
ckd_HELP PLEASE04:45
ckd_wanna install crossover office04:45
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jhutchinsckd_: It's a commercial program, with commercial support.04:45
ckd_but a damn ubuntu error04:46
ckd_http://rafb.net/p/cwJ2nH76.html04:46
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eilker!KDenlive04:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kdenlive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:46
eilker!kdenlive04:46
jhutchinsckd:  That's not a ubuntu error04:46
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jhutchinsckd: Contact codeweavers for support.04:46
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Sanneckd: are you on 64 bit?04:47
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ckdyes04:47
ckdjhutchins: i used it on kanotix, suse and many more, it runs all the time....04:47
ckdnow what a kind of error look this...?04:47
Ghost75hello, anyone have any suggestions on fixing a broken adept? when i try to open it i get this: Could not open cache. The APT Database could not be opened!04:48
Sanneckd: the message suggests installing 32 bit compatibility libs. There are some for us 64 bit users, let me find those I have installed.04:48
bonbonthejon!fixapt | Ghost7504:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:48
bonbonthejon!fix apt04:49
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fix apt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:49
Sanneckd: generally, you need to understand that 32 bit programs run on 64 bit systems, but if they need specific libs, those have to be 32 bit too.04:49
jhutchinsGhost75: Sounds messed up.  How did you arrive in this situation?04:49
Ghost75lol04:49
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jhutchins!adept crash fix04:49
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 04:49
ckdwhere can get this ?04:49
jhutchinsBut that's probably not it.04:49
bonbonthejonjhutchins: thanks, thats what i was looking for04:49
Ghost75well, i reinstalled kubuntu because trying to install windows messed up grub, so kubuntu installed flawlessly as always, i did all the updates and was starting to get things back to how i like it04:49
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Sanneckd: please wait a moment, I'll find the most likely packages for you04:50
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Ghost75then i left the computer for awhile, came back and there was 1 update, so i clicked the adept notifier, entered my password and got that error04:50
Ghost75tried restarting, tried apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal, but nothing would work04:50
ckdSanne: thx, i wann a install many 32bit tools like skype .etc04:50
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Sanneckd: I dunno it that works, I don't have it myself, but mostly you can get it to work. Let me get oyu some packages, sec04:51
Ghost75tried that command, no luck04:52
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Ghost75the command itself didn't give an error tho, it killed this process:   /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       5410 F.... adept_updater04:52
ckdSanne: THX a lot04:52
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Sanneckd: let's start with those packages: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9241/04:54
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akruscould someone recommend simple video editor?04:56
akrusto crop a part of video04:56
akrusand maybe with some simple effects04:57
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ckdSanne: thx04:57
Jucato!kino04:57
ckdnow i will take the second try04:57
ubotukino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB04:57
Sanneckd: I like to give you some links for help04:57
akrusoh thanks :)04:57
jhutchinsGhost75: Try ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock04:58
Sanneckd: please bookmark those: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=64&titlesearch=Titles04:58
Sanneckd: tha last link has also some info on 64bit on the wiki, but some links don't apply. Use your best judgement ;)04:59
Ghost75ok, no errors with that command, adept not responding now so i can't tell if it worked04:59
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jhutchinsGhost75: Ok, first, don't try to use adept until you get command-line apt working.05:04
Ghost75ok05:04
jhutchinsGhost75: Second, did the ls command find the file?05:04
Ghost75this was the result of that command: -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2007-03-09 12:31 /var/lib/dpkg/lock05:05
akrusJucato: wow05:05
akrusJucato: it's importing something05:05
akrusJucato: already 1gb+05:05
jhutchinsGhost75: Ok, delete that file.05:05
akrus1,2gb :o05:05
eilker!svn05:06
ubotusvn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/05:06
akrus1.5g x_X05:07
Ghost75delete what file?05:07
Ghost75that stuff i pasted was a file? am used to recognizing more conventional filenames, lol05:09
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Ghost75so is there a special command to delete a file in unix command line or just DEL followed by what i pasted earlier?05:10
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jhutchinsGhost75: rm  /var/lib/dpkg/lock05:10
D3vil_Mahlzeit05:10
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waylandbillGhost75: everything in linux is a file.05:11
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Ghost75rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `/var/lib/dpkg/lock'? y05:11
Ghost75rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': Permission denied05:11
waylandbillput a sudo before05:11
waylandbillsudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock05:12
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Ghost75ok, no error that time05:12
Ghost75try apt-update in terminal now?05:12
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waylandbillGhost75: if it was failing because it thought another session was running, then yes, you should be good to go05:13
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Ghost75i tried apt-get update in terminal and got this error: E: Type 'deb' is not known on line 35 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list05:14
waylandbillpastebin the contents of your sources.list05:14
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Ghost75um...and to do that i type?05:15
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waylandbillkate /etc/apt/sources.list05:15
waylandbill!pastebin05:15
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)05:15
Jucatokdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list05:15
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Jucatoor whatever :P05:15
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blue|palmdoes anyone have any experience with fglrx and video accelleration?05:16
Timsengood night Jucato05:16
Jucato:)05:16
waylandbillsleep well :-P05:16
blue|palmwhenever i try to watch movies using the opengl driver they are extremely choppy :(05:16
Ghost75hmm, lots of errors in terminal when i typed that, but it did open a text document05:16
waylandbillcopy the contents to a pastebin website.05:16
blue|palmor can anybody tell me how to use the aticonfig --sync-video command?05:16
Timsenthat aren't errors Ghost7505:16
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Ghost75ok, pasted it under my nick Ghost7505:17
Ghost75http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9248/05:18
Ghost75good feature to have learned today, this pastebin thing05:18
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eilker!klik05:20
ubotuklik is a simple way to run additional software without actually installing it. For instructions and more information see http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/05:20
akrusJucato: kino not working :(05:21
akrusJucato: saying unable to load the file~05:21
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eilkerakrus: i use avidemux, and now trying to install kdenlive05:23
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blue|palmis there any way to fix the massive blockiness around red areas when i play movies (.avi) with mplayer/xine etc.05:24
akrusok05:26
akrustrying kdenlive :)05:26
akrusat least imported ok05:26
waylandbillGhost75: remove the " quotes around the text on the automatix line05:26
eilkerakrus: do u have kdenlive installed ?05:26
akrusyes05:26
blue|palmis there any way to fix the massive blockiness around red areas when i play movies (.avi) with mplayer/xine etc.05:26
Ghost75k, did that but i can't save the document05:27
eilkerakrus: did u install from source or .deb file ?05:27
Ghost75i don't have write access maybe?05:27
akruseilker: .deb/synaptic :)05:27
waylandbillok. you need to re-open it with "kdesu /etc/apt/sources.list"05:27
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eilkerakrus: i dont have it insynaptic....05:28
eilkerakrus: 6.10 here05:28
akruseilker: i may give you my sources.list :)05:28
Ghost75hmm, for permission denied05:28
Sannewaylandbill, Ghost75: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list05:28
akrus7.04 here05:28
akrus:P05:28
akruslemme check05:28
eilkeroki thanx05:28
waylandbillSanne: oops. thx. :-)05:28
Sanne:)05:28
akrusit's trevino's repository05:28
akrusfor edgy05:29
Ghost75k, saved05:29
akruseilker: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/ edgy 3v1n005:29
akrusadd to sources.list :)05:29
eilkeroki let me try :)05:29
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akrusa bit laggy :(05:30
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Ghost75now when i try apt-get update i get => Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)05:30
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waylandbillGhost75: sudo apt-get update05:31
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Ghost75ooooh, looks like it's working05:31
waylandbillI knew it would. ;-)05:32
Ghost75so it was just commas put there from me tryin to get automatix installed, yeesh05:32
Ghost75thanks so much for your help guys05:32
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mrbrdohello05:32
mrbrdowhich sound system does Kubuntu use?05:33
mrbrdoOSS or ALSA?05:33
SanneGhost75: !automatix | Ghost7505:33
Sanne!automatix | Ghost7505:33
ubotuGhost75: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe05:33
Ghost75i'm gonna have to learn to get java installed on it's own instead of relying on automatix and similar scripts, it's true they can cause problems05:33
mrbrdo!sound05:33
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP305:33
SanneGhost75: please consider that also :)05:33
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Ghost75it's only java that i bother to install it for usually05:33
waylandbillit's not hard to install the software without automatix05:34
SanneGhost75: oh, java is in the repositories now05:34
Ghost75pretty much everything else i can find in add/remove programs05:34
eilkerw: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2D6CFB44DD800CD905:34
eilkerhow can i solve that ?05:34
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mrbrdoSound doesn't work in my chroot3205:34
mrbrdobut alsa-base is installed i don't know what's wrong05:34
SanneGhost75: but ok, I just wanted to make sure you know about that :)05:34
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illissiusis there list of mirrors for feisty5 anywhere?05:34
eilkerakros: i had that error05:34
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lotusleafeilker, for a tuxfamily.org specific question, see irc.tuxfamily.org :)05:34
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akruseilker: it's warning, ignore it :)05:35
Ghost75in the past i've tried to install java with adept but i am then usually unable to select the options to continue at the prompts05:35
lotusleafakrus, why ignore it?05:35
Ghost75so gonna have to learn the *cringe* command-line alternative, lol05:35
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lotusleafakrus, user should import a key to verify for security reasons :)05:35
Dr_willisGhost75,  thers an issue where it prints up a EULA/thing ya got to hit enter on, to say yes.. or it hangs...05:36
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Dr_willisGhost75,  not noticed tht problem lately however.05:36
lotusleafeilker, the folks at irc.tuxfamily.org may kindly help you05:36
syrakaciao carusi05:36
chuenHi. How easy is it to switch to Ubuntu (and then back to Kubuntu). Where can I find details?05:36
Ghost75i've encountered it 2-3 times05:36
akruslotusleaf: cause i don't remember a website with a key :P05:36
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Ghost75this is like my 8th install of kubuntu in the past 6 months, heh. the issues are getting less and less all the time tho05:37
Dr_willischuen,  trivial - install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu and the gdm  login thing has a menu you pick what one to use.05:37
Dr_willischuen,  or install ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu and kdm has a menu05:37
syrakaits too easy05:37
syrakaitaliani?05:38
chuenDr_willis: you mean search for ubuntu-desktop (for example) in adept and install?05:38
SanneGhost75: the problems of installing java is usually that you have to agree to a license that doesn't come up. There's info on the wiki for that. Want me to find it for you?05:38
Dr_willissudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:38
Dr_willisthere ya go. :) it will download a lot of stuff.05:38
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chuenDr_willis: Thanks I'll give it a go.05:38
eilkerakrus: bad luck :D kdenlive: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed05:38
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eilkerakrus: broken packages05:38
Ghost75Sanne: was just googling to find the command for installing it in terminal, but any info is always welcome05:38
SanneGhost75: sec05:39
waylandbilllotusleaf: gpg --recv-key 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 && gpg --export --armor gpg --recv-key 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 | sudo apt-key add -05:39
Dr_willis!java05:39
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.05:39
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eilkerlotusleaf: r they in freenode ?05:39
Dr_willissudo apt-get  install sun-java5-jre05:39
lotusleafeilker, yes some of them are05:39
illissiusanyone know if there's a list of mirrors for feisty herd5 somewhere?05:39
SanneDr_willis: thanks (I *still* forget the grat bot, sigh). Ghost, there you are :)05:39
crazy_penguinHello05:39
Ghost75k, gonna see if i can enable the backports05:40
lotusleafeilker, the user "crafty" is one of them05:40
SanneGhost75: if you can't we can help05:40
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akruso_O05:40
lotusleafeilker, though if you see above, someone has replied to me with a solution for you :)05:40
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eilkerlotusleaf: i cant see ?05:41
waylandbilllotusleaf, eilker: sorry about that. wrong recipient05:41
Ghost75i remember where to enable/disable repositories in adept manager, tho oddly now adept isn't opening since i did the update and closed it05:41
waylandbilleilker: gpg --recv-key 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 && gpg --export --armor 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 | sudo apt-key add - | sudo apt-key add -05:42
eilkerwaylandbill: thank you so much05:42
waylandbilldrat. drop the last apt-key add. :-)05:42
waylandbillbut you get the idea05:43
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eilkerkdenlive: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed // can we do sth for it ?05:43
Tm_Tillissius: Mooh.05:43
eilkerwe dont have it in repo's05:43
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Ghost75i can still use adept in terminal but the adept package manager doesn't seem to want to open now05:44
akrushow to crop video part in kdenlive? x_X05:44
aliveuserhow could i mount a drive owning it by my user and not by root??05:44
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illissiusTm_T: Mooh?05:46
eilkerakrus: is 7.04 ok ? do u suggest me to upgrade ?05:47
Tm_Tillissius: Well, hi.05:47
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illissiushey.05:47
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Tm_Tillissius: Did you try torrent? Dunno if it's any faster though.05:47
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illissiusTm_T: trying that too. currently, torrent is coming at 10kbish, anl.gov at 50ish05:48
illissiusbut either way it doesn't seem i'll have anything to install within the rest of today05:49
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akruseilker: looks ok :)05:49
akruseilker: at least i don't any problems except network xD05:50
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akrushere's the maintainer: Trevinho :)05:50
eilkerakrus: i dont have network, what is your vga card ? mine is intel, driver i81005:51
akrusTrevinho: do you know how to use kdenlive? o_O05:51
akruseilker: nVidia GF7600 GT05:51
akrus:)05:51
eilkergood :D05:51
eilkerakrus : there are tutorials at their site , http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/tutorials.php05:52
akrusoh great05:52
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Ghost75well, i've got to get to work, will check adept when i get home tonight and see if i can get it and java working05:54
Ghost75thanks again05:54
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eilkerakrus: do u have audacity installed ? i installed it but no text in its menu05:56
akrusno05:56
akrus:)05:56
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Dr_willissome times an app dosent get its menu entrys shown till the menus get rescaned. not sure what the deal is. thers some command that for4ces a rescan.05:57
Dr_willisbut i can never rember it. ;05:57
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Tm_Tillissius: Ouch.06:01
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dromerhi, how can I play flv-files ?06:03
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eagles0513875what is a good movie format converter06:03
matthiashi can i06:03
Dr_willisdromer,  ive drug them to the browser befor to play them.06:03
matthiasdamage my moniter if i06:03
dromerI've tried mplayer, but I get only the sound and mplayer becomes non-responsive (with this file at least)06:03
fueldromer: vlc works06:04
Dr_willisdromer,  or i think xine/mplayer/vlc may be able to play them also.06:04
fuelDr_willis: xine does not give you audio06:04
matthiaschange the gamma from 2.0 to06:04
dromerfuel: hasn't worked here ..06:04
matthias2.406:04
matthias??06:04
fuel:O06:04
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Dr_willisyou do need the flash player installed dont ya.06:04
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dromerDr_willis: I have flash9 installed yes :P06:04
dromerI can't open it with firefox anyway06:05
Dr_willisdromer,  i was thinking it came with a stand alone flash player.06:05
fueldromer:  why ?06:05
chuenDr_willis: Ubuntu now installed. How do I access kdm to switch - is it via command line?06:05
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Dr_willisbut perhaps not.. :) may of been an extra package.06:05
Dr_willischuen,  kdm is the login manager you see at first login.06:05
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dromerfuel: I don't know why, it just doesn't play. I have VLC 0.8.406:06
Dr_willisgdm is the gnome equilivent. They both have a 'sessions' menu to pick what desktop to use06:06
fuelchuen: right click desktop and choose lock current session and start a new one06:06
eagles0513875what is a good movie format converter06:06
chuenfuel: OK, thanks.06:06
HymnToLifeeagles0513875, depends which formats...06:06
dromerfuel: the progression-bar (which says how far the clip is) does move, though very fast and there is no sound/screen06:06
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eagles0513875something that kaffine woudl recognize06:07
fueldromer: peculiar...... have you tried other flv clips ?06:07
chuenDr_willis: Thanks.06:07
eagles0513875other then wmv06:07
dromerat least mplayer gives back sound, though it hangs and there is no screen :P06:07
dromerfuel: not yet, I just have this one atm06:07
lupulhi there. does anyone know a wallet beside the one included in edgy06:07
fueldromer: try downloading some other clip06:07
lupul?06:07
HymnToLifeeagles0513875, so you want to convert WMV into something else ?06:07
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HymnToLifeyou're out of luck, at least in Linux06:07
HymnToLifeWMV is evil06:07
fueldromer: problem might be with that clip06:07
Dr_willisWMV is worse then evil.06:07
Dr_willis:)06:07
eagles0513875ya06:07
eagles0513875alot of programs i use dont recognize wmv on here06:08
Dr_willisive used wine and some of the versious convertr tools.. to 'some' luck.06:08
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dromerfuel: I tried converting it with ffmpeg, but that didn't work06:08
Dr_willisa lot depends on the codec the speficic wmv is using.06:08
eagles0513875im in a fude with wine so if i dont have to use it i dont want to06:08
lupulbut why do you want to convert them?06:08
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lupul!wallet06:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:08
fueldromer: try an another clip......06:08
eagles0513875non of kubuntu progs recognize wmv06:08
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HymnToLifeyeah, WMV is the nightmare of video encoders06:08
lupulthere is avifile player06:08
lupulthat works06:08
eagles0513875what could i use to decode it then reencode it06:09
Dr_willisI love the wmv codecs that install spyware.06:09
Dr_willis:)06:09
HymnToLifeI don't even know if you can find two WMV's encoded ans muxed the same way06:09
eagles0513875lolo06:09
dromerlupul: is this regarding wmv or flv? :P06:09
HymnToLifeand*06:09
lupulanyway, does anyone know another wallet?06:09
HymnToLifewhat's wrong with KWallet ?06:09
waylandbillvendor lock-in. how irritating for migrating. :-)06:10
eagles0513875i think that is what he is referring to hymn06:10
lupuldoesn't remember my passwords06:10
eagles0513875it did for me06:10
HymnToLifeof course it does06:10
Dr_willisdoes forme also. :)06:10
lupulonce for me too06:10
lupulbut not anymore06:10
Dr_willissince thats its job... heh..06:10
Dr_willissomeone stole your kwallet!06:10
Dr_willis:)06:10
lupul:))06:10
lupuli have some long passwords and i'm tired to type them everytime06:11
mrbrdohow do i enable alsa sound sequencer? i get this error: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory06:11
waylandbillthere was a problem with an older version of kwallet that it wasn't doing passwords correctly, iirc.06:11
eagles0513875that is scary if thats the case cuz someone did a good job hackin ur comp lupul06:11
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lupulno06:11
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lupulit happened to me before without having a network or net06:12
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eagles0513875interesting06:12
neutralossis anyone here unable to change the colors in the contact list for Kopete?06:12
lupulnope06:13
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nosrednaekimI gave up on Kopete,it was crashing beryl..06:13
mrbrdohow do i enable alsa sound sequencer? i get this error: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory06:13
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ckd_evrybody know how can skype in am64 to run ?06:13
ckd_i used it with linux3206:13
ckd_but06:13
ckd_./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libaudio.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory06:13
waylandbillnosrednaekim: opening a window can crash beryl. ;-)06:13
nosrednaekimhaha06:13
nosrednaekimgood call06:13
neutralossI don't use Beryl atm because of xgl and xorg 7.206:13
nosrednaekimcdk, get automatix06:14
nosrednaekimit'll do everything for you06:14
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nosrednaekimwhat does XXGL have problems with 7.2?06:14
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Dr_willis:)06:14
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Sannemrbrdo: search section "ALSA Sequencer" in this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation06:15
spitwise!beryl06:15
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects06:15
nosrednaekimautomatix isn't bad for installing skype(thats what I got it for)06:15
faidillingerautomatix kinda sucks06:15
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Dr_willisi would MUCH rather see mini-scripts that do the individual tasks..06:15
nosrednaekimwhy?06:15
nosrednaekimI agree with that06:16
Dr_willisthat are gpl'ed and easialy fixed, and that follow common practice. :)06:16
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Dr_willisive seen way too many people get stuff trashed by automatix.06:16
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mrbrdoSanne: i don't have that module06:16
mrbrdoSanne: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory06:16
nosrednaekimDr_willis, I agree, using automatix to instal beryl etc would be grave mistake06:17
chuenDr_willis: When I rebooted it went straight to the Ubuntu desktop - how to I choose Kubuntu as default? I'm currently lost in an unfamiliar world :)06:17
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mrbrdoSanne: but i don't have that directory for that kernel version, it's -10-generic here not -11-generic ??06:17
Dr_willischuen,  look at the  screen... see somthing that says 'sessions' ? its a MENU06:17
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mrbrdoSanne: actually -10-38606:17
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Dr_willischuen,  if you got it auto-logging in - you need to disable that.06:17
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Sannemrbrdo: something weird going on. What kernel are you running? uname -a06:18
mrbrdoSanne: it's -11-generic.. btw this is a chroot (32bit from 64bit edgy)06:18
chuenDr_willis: Mm, can't see that menu.06:18
chuenDr_will: Not sure if it's auto-logging or not!06:19
Dr_willischuen,  you need to get to the KDM or GDM login screen.. its theres somewhere. :) if you are going straight to the 'desktop' then its auto-logging in.06:19
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chuenDr_willis: OK.06:19
mrbrdoi will try now to reinstall linux package06:19
Sannemrbrdo: find out which alsa modules you have by typing: modinfo snd<tab><tab>06:19
lupulwhat about a good firewall? does anyone know some?06:19
waylandbilleven if it is auto-logging in, ending the session will give the menu06:19
Dr_willisgo to the K menu --> Switch New user --> Start New Session to see what its like. :)06:19
Dr_willisis another way to 'test' it06:20
chuenDr_willis: If I try and don't like ubuntu what's the best way to uninstall it?06:20
Sannemrbrdo: look for something with "snd-seq"06:20
mrbrdoSanne: when i press tab: ls: /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic: No such file or directory06:20
mrbrdo:)06:20
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Dr_willisHeh - the KDM default theme dosetn have text.. the little 'menu ' thing to the left of the login box is where you click to get to the sessions menu.06:20
Dr_willischuen,  you mean the ubuntu-gnome desktop? or the whole OS?06:21
Sannemrbrdo: so you don't have any modules? what does "lsmod" say (listing your loaded modules)06:21
waylandbillDr_willis: yeah. not obvious06:21
mrbrdoSanne: yes lsmod displays quite a few06:21
mrbrdobut no snd_seq06:21
Sannemrbrdo: then you need to have that directory *scratches head*06:22
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mrbrdoSanne: it's a chroot3206:22
chuenDr_willis: Well, it looks like I've just installed the whole OS (unless the desktop is about 550mb!)06:22
mrbrdoSanne: i am trying to reinstall the linux package now06:22
mrbrdoSanne: but it seems i am on a very slow mirror can i somehow say which mirror i want to use for apt-get06:22
Sannemrbrdo: maybe there are additional module packages?06:22
mrbrdoSanne: but i don't have any /lib/module/that kernel(-11-..) directory, it must be something wrong06:23
Sannemrbrdo: you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and put another coubntry code to the "deb" lines06:23
mrbrdoah yes i see06:23
waylandbilla chroot won't have the same modules as the loaded ones necessarily.06:23
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Sannewaylandbill: aha. Can you help mrbrdo to get snd_seq (alsa sequencer module)?06:24
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nuxilhi all06:26
chuenDr_willis: Still can find kdm or gdm login screen or session menu :(06:26
nuxildoes anyone know if theres a pkg kicker kickoff for edgy amd 64 ?06:26
waylandbillunfortunately, I've neve worked with sound sequencer so I knoow nothing abouut it.06:27
Sannewaylandbill: ok06:27
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waylandbillnuxil: there is, but not in official repos06:27
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nuxilwaylandbill, where06:28
nuxil+06:28
nuxil?06:28
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nuxilcan you gimme the repo ?06:28
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nuxil!kickoff amd6406:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kickoff amd64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:29
waylandbillnuxil: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Kickoff-KDE-Menu-in-Kubuntu-Ubuntu-46601.shtml06:29
nuxilok .. thanks06:29
Sannemrbrdo: when I look for the file snd-seq.ko (the actual name of the module file) on packages.ubuntu.com in "Search contents of packages", to see which packages provide that file, I get this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=snd-seq.ko&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i38606:30
nuxilwaylandbill, erm.. thats for i38606:30
nuxili need for amd6406:31
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waylandbillnuxil: if someone made an 86 version, there's probably a 64 one out there some where.06:31
Sannemrbrdo: I don't see your kernel in that list...06:31
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mrbrdoSanne: yes i think it has something to do with me using the newer nvidia drivers06:32
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nuxilsure.. i been trying to google.. but come up empty06:32
mrbrdoSanne: i am downloading the new packages i'll see how that works out.. else i have to switch to the official kernel i guess06:32
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Dr_willisodd.. my linux box just went 'bam!' black screen...06:33
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Dr_willisthis pc is getting old and flakey. :(06:34
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Sannemrbrdo: might be. Isn't your kernel the official 2.6.17-11-generic from ubuntu?06:34
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Sannemrbrdo: because I don't see how the nvidia modules should interfere with the sound modules, in case they are present, that is.06:34
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Okapihello to all06:35
OkapiI can not get dosemu runs. Anyone can help?06:35
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maelcum_Dr_willis: if your board is 3-4 years old, you might have the "capacitor plague".06:36
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fuelhow do i play bin files ? is it possible to play directly or if not how do i mount it?? (virtually)06:37
oemis there a cursive Font i can dowlad to use in Kubuntu?06:38
waylandbillfuel: there's software to convert bin/cue to iso.06:38
Dr_willismaelcum_,  yep..  noticing about once a week it flakes out on me.06:38
Dr_willisoem,  check the package manager - thers lots of fonts not installed by default06:38
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fuelmstcorefonts!06:38
fuel!fonts06:38
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fuel!msttcorefonts > oem06:39
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nuxilhmm.. i found a "kicker-kickoff_kubuntu-kicker-46.deb" but what is a 46 ?06:41
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AMSmith42Does Kubuntu not have a server version?06:42
maelcum_Dr_willis: you might want to google for "capacitor plague" and repair it yourself if a new board plus the other stuff like cpu is too expensive.06:42
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Dr_willismaelcum_,  its all  cheap. :)06:42
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Dr_williscouldbe the 7 hard drives i got in it...06:43
waylandbillnuxil: google defines it as six more than forty. ;-P06:43
Dextron45How can I replace Edgy's Power Manager with Kpowersave?06:43
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sylvain_Hi all I'm sorry but I'm french and I don't speak english... they are a french here ?06:43
apokryphos!fr06:44
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.06:44
nuxilwaylandbill, lol06:44
sylvain_thanks :)06:44
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mzanfardinoI'm running kubuntu edgy with firefox 2.0 and thunderbird 1.5.  I have defined firefox as my default web browser, yet when I click a hyperlink in an email Konqueror opens, not firefox.  any idea how I can change this behavior?06:44
bentob0xhow can I know my KDE version?06:45
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nuxilwaylandbill, , i dont speed espaniol.. so i dont know what this site says, http://69.60.114.106/www.kubuntu-es.org/public_html/?q=node/83706:45
nuxilbut thers a 28 and 46 deb06:45
Ayabarais gwenview the default image viewer for kubuntu?06:45
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chavobentob0x, kde-config --version or Help -> About in any KDE app06:46
bentob0xis 3.5.5 the latest one?06:46
waylandbillnuxil: google.com has a link 'language tools' that you can use to convert foreign pages.06:46
maelcum_bentob0x: 3.5.606:46
bentob0x(thx chavo btw :)06:46
chavobentob0x, no 3.5.6 is out06:47
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Ayabarahow can I make kubuntu not display the ~ backup files?06:47
waylandbillnuxil: the 28 means 28x28 and the 46 is 46x46.06:47
nuxilahh icon size06:47
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maelcum_bentob0x: repository is at "http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main"06:47
Dextron45No one knows how to replace KDE Power MAnager with Kpowersave?06:47
chavothat's for edgy only tho06:48
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SanneAMSmith42: seems that there's no Kubuntu server version, but since those versions don't focus on desktop use anyway, you could use the ubuntu server version. Maybe the Kubuntu alternate cd has a server boot option to install a minimal system, though (I'm not sure here).06:49
nick_I have a ?06:49
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waylandbillnuxil: looks like short of building from source, you may have to wait.06:49
chavothe server doesn't have Kubuntu versio because there's no desktop installed06:49
morticiis there any reason as to why my windows partition, that i mount through fstab is ROOT only, i can not access it through regular users?06:50
nick_I am new to linux and am wondering how to install downloaded programs06:50
chavoand yes the alternate CD does have a "Command line" install06:50
holehello how do i mount a usb cd burner?06:50
holeit isn't showing in places06:50
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nuxilwaylandbill, i think so too..06:51
Ayabarais it possible to make kmix use more volume levels when I press volume up/down on my keyboard?06:51
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Dr_willisnick_,  you RARELy just 'download' programs. You use thepackage manager to download/install them06:51
Dr_willisnick_,  if you find some spefific program not in the repos. (like puzzle pirates) then each program may have its own method of getting installed properly06:51
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Industria1hi, is here space to state a problem ?06:52
Malphtwo nights ago i finally figured out why the Kubuntu liveCD wasn't working for me.  I have an SLI motherboard and while I was getting all the boot information and loading screens the actual liveCD desktop was defaulting to the other graphics card.  Is anyone aware if this is a known issue?06:52
nick_ok06:52
AMSmith42Sanne: Thank you very much. I looked and found that I will probably be installing Ubuntu server and then installing the KDE desktop. My aim is to use the LTSP.06:52
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AluminIndustria1: yes06:52
mzanfardinoI'm interested in upgrading KDE from 3.5.5. to 3.5.6.  I've added to my sources.list file "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main" however, when I run apt-get update I get the following error: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D508806:52
nick_so I downloaded firefox and need to get it running what do I do06:53
SanneAMSmith42: yes, you can do that. It can be that I just can find the kubuntu server edition, though, I didn't look long :). And what is LTSP?06:53
Aluminnick_: "apt-get install firefox"?06:53
Industria1okay, so today i dowloaded the Kbuntu DVD ;06:53
Industria1while installing  the DVD was not able to install the basic system ... so  i checked the DVD checksum via the MENU point , check DVD , .... it failed ....   so the DVD is worthless ?06:53
Gizmo48POSSIBLE EASY ONE?--->   Just installed Thunderbird mail, was browsing with Firefox and came across a page that had a mailto, clicked it, and Thunderbird dir NOT launch... Anyone know what I did/didnt do?06:53
Alumindoes anyone have an opinion on which MTA to install for a desktop system?  I'm deciding between postfix and exim06:53
AMSmith42sanne: No, I don't think there is a Kubuntu-specific server distro. LTSP = Linux Terminal Server Project.06:54
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AluminGizmo48: what did launch?06:54
MalphAlumin:  I like postfix myself and there are a lot of ubuntu postfix tutorials available06:54
Ayabaraanyone? can I increase # of volume levels in kubuntu (when usinig vol up/dn on mye laptop)06:54
Aluminyou need to configure tbird as firefox's mailto: protocol handler06:54
chuenSorry to press apoint guy, but I'd love to be able to at least access Kubuntu desktop again - if not boot directly to it!06:54
Gizmo48Nothing06:54
AMSmith42sanne: The LTSP guys say that the client will display whatever desktop is on the server, so I think my solution of installing KDE on Ubuntu will work just fine. Thank you for your help.06:55
AluminGizmo48: Firefox isn't part of the "KDE Kollective" (heh)06:55
Aluminso it doesn't get its handlers from the global KDE settings06:55
eagles0513875firefox rox06:55
chuenI've found 'sessions' in the 'system' menu, but there aren't many options there.06:55
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Gizmo48OK... not sure where that is done06:55
AluminGizmo48: honestly, I don't remember how to do it, but if you google for "firefox protocol handler mailto" you'll get it06:55
SanneAMSmith42: you're welcome (Tip: if you want the kubuntu specific kde, install the package kubuntu-desktop)06:56
AluminMalph: postfix eh06:56
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Industria1question :  when the Kbuntu DVD failes on Checksum -06:56
Industria1is the false checksumfile or the DVD is corrupt ?06:56
AluminIndustria1: the DVD is corrupt by definition06:57
Aluminsince the checksum file is contained on the DVD?06:57
AMSmith42Sanne: Thanks again.06:57
Industria1m due to the download ? or due to the seed ?06:57
Gizmo48OK, will do , thanks biggrin06:57
bentob0xunder windows, I used a software called Winmerge (http://www.winmerge.org), what's the equivalent under Linux/KDE?06:57
SanneAMSmith42: good lick :)06:57
Industria1i did DC06:57
SanneAMSmith42: (LOL) luck ,even06:57
AluminIndustria1: did you get it via BitTorrent?06:57
MalphAlumin: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/06:57
chuenDr_Willis: Can you, or anyone point the way again? (back to Kubuntu desktop from Ubuntu destop) pls?06:57
AMSmith42hehehe06:57
Industria1no Direct Connection06:58
Ayabarawhat do you guys use for laptop power management in kubuntu?06:58
Sannerofl06:58
Industria1via a FTp i guess06:58
Dr_willischuen,  on the KDM login screen theres a BIG 'menu' icon on the left side of the login:  click on it06:58
AluminIndustria1: ok...it's possible that you got a bad download then06:58
Industria1should i find the URL   AND report someone ?06:58
chuenDr_willis: I'm in GDM - that's the problem :)06:58
Dr_willisthen look around.06:58
Dextron45Yea, I downloaded kpowersave, opened it, closed KDE's Power Manager and rebooted. But KDE's Power Manager keeps opening :|06:58
Dr_willistheres a button or menu somewhere for the sessions06:58
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Dr_willisif you plan on using KDE mainly. you should swich to using KDM not GDM06:59
waylandbillbentob0x: kompare, cervisa, gvim or even just diff.06:59
chuenThhere's 'system' -> 'sessions'06:59
AluminIndustria1: you could email the maintainer of the FTP site and tell them, they might want to check their copy locally to make sure it's good06:59
chuenDr_willis: system - preferences - sessons06:59
Industria1ignoring the fact , that it could be their intension ?07:00
Dr_willischuen,  not from your running X session. from the LOGIN screen07:00
AluminIndustria1: well, it could be, I suppose07:00
Aluminif I were you, I'd get the DVD from the Kubuntu torrent links07:00
Dr_willisi always found the torrents slow..07:00
Industria1so there is noone responsible to watch  the provider of the ISOs ?07:00
Dr_willisand the dvd not worth grabbing. :) stick to the cd07:01
Ayabaracan someone please help? what do you guys use for laptop power management in kubuntu?07:01
Dr_willis!find laptop07:01
ubotuFound: laptop-detect, laptop-mode-tools, education-laptop, klaptopdaemon, kpowersave (and 4 others)07:01
AluminIndustria1: did you get the FTP link from the kubuntu site?07:01
Industria1not sure07:01
chuenDr_willis: Sorry, I'm lost. Do you mean the 'splash' screen that appears when I first boot and asks fors username / password?07:01
Ayabara Dr_willis , thanks. seem to remember I used kpowersave earlier07:01
Industria1now i download  from ubuntuusers.de the ubuntu DVD07:01
Industria1i guess KDE upgrade is possible ?07:02
nick_sorry, still dont understand how to install firefox.  can someone expalain in plain language.07:02
Dextron45klaptopdaemon is that Edgy's default Power Manager?07:02
eagles0513875when is fiesty going to be released07:02
waylandbill!fiesty07:02
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)07:02
Aluminyou can tell from the version number07:02
Dr_willischuen,  when your system first boots.. you get a purty screen with 2 text fields..  one for login name, and another for password.. THAT screen. :)07:03
Alumin7.04 means 2007-0407:03
AyabaraI can't find a default power manager.. I see info about the power status, but I can't adjust anything07:03
Dr_willisthe 'splash screen ' is just a purty animation befor all that.07:03
Dextron45If you want you can download Feisty Herd 5 off of Kubuntu's site07:03
Dr_willisnick_,  sudo apt-get install firefox07:03
Dextron45Only heard of minor errors07:03
chuenDr_willis: OK :) What to do at that point?07:03
nick_what is sudo?07:03
Dr_willischuen,  click on the sessions menu07:03
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waylandbillonly herd of minor errors. ;-)07:03
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Dr_willisnick_,  a command you use from the shell07:04
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chuenDr_willis: OK, I'll do that . than what?07:04
nick_is that the same a Konsole?07:04
waylandbillnick_: yes07:04
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nick_ok i'll try07:05
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jhutchinsAyabara: Not usually something you can do from within the OS, it's usually a BIOS function.  What are you trying to adjust?07:05
Dr_willischuen,   err select one  then login07:05
jhutchins!sudo | nick_07:05
ubotunick_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.07:05
chuenDr_willis: Thanks. Sorry to sound so 'thick'.07:05
jhutchins!kdesu | nick_07:05
ubotunick_: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo07:05
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jhutchinsDr_willis: Don't suppose you have write access to the bot?07:06
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Ayabarajhutchins, just the basics. when to standby, suspend, turn off monitor and such things. kpowersave seems to be what I needed :-)07:07
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jhutchinsAyabara: ok, i thought you were trying to tweak voltages or something.07:08
Ayabarajhutchins, heavens no. :-)07:08
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x_linkHi07:11
x_linkShould I get Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) or Kubuntu 6.10 (edgy Eft) ?07:12
GrahamEdgy.07:12
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jhutchinsx_link: What are you going to use it for?07:12
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holeit isn't showing in places07:12
holehello how do i mount a usb cd burner?07:12
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x_linkjhutchins: Just try it out, I'm new with Linux. I will try it in Qemu.07:13
x_linkirssi, browsing, etc.07:13
x_linkSmall things07:13
jhutchinsx_link: No reason not to go with edgy then.07:13
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Flosofthey07:13
jhutchinsx_link: Main reason to use Dapper is for stability.07:13
FlosoftI am running feisty07:13
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x_linkok07:14
x_linkWell07:14
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jhutchinsFlosoft: Great!  Another bug-hunter!07:14
ijacek!cz07:14
GrahamI've got an annoying problem, my capslock key doesn't work... and all keyboard settings in System Settings don't exist then. It's 6.10, any suggestions?07:14
ubotuesk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.07:14
x_linkI will choose 6.06 then07:14
Flosoftand Knetworkmanager doesn't display my wifi settings :S07:14
jhutchinsx_link: Go with 6.10.07:14
x_linkok07:14
Flosoftor atleast, I can't configure it with it :(07:14
x_linkI can just find the live cd07:14
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GrahamFlosoft: Have you told it which is your wireless interface?07:15
Flosoftno07:15
Flosofthow do I do that?07:15
FlosoftI mena ... I currently use WLAssistant07:15
x_linkCould somebody give me the url to the .iso file (not live cd)07:15
Flosoftbut I want to use Knetworkmanager07:15
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x_linkSeems like I can only find the live cd.07:16
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jhutchinsx_link: As opposed to?07:16
hattathe live cd IS the install cd07:16
hattait puts a link on your desktop that says "install"07:16
waylandbilldoes he mean the alternate cd07:16
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x_linkAhh right07:18
x_linkBut I will use it in Qemu07:18
Sanne!alternate | waylandbill07:19
ubotuwaylandbill: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.07:19
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nick_got firefox installed!  thanks to all!07:19
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Sannewaylandbill: oh, sorry, you didn't ask07:19
waylandbill:)07:20
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Flosoftso any idea how I configure knetworkmanager so it controlls my WiFi card?07:22
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eilkercompiz07:22
eilker!compiz07:22
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects07:22
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jhutchinsFlosoft: Not in feisty.07:28
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angasule_!DVD07:30
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages07:30
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angasule_what is the difference between the install CD and the DVD? I can't find anything on the FAQ or docs07:37
Dextron45angasule: has more packages on media than the CD version07:37
Flosoftjhutchins: why not?07:38
Dextron45angasule: Its for lazy people, lol07:38
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angasule_Dextron45: any idea of where I can get a list?07:38
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eilker i have freezing problem , i think it is cause of my mouse, and may be beryl , i dont know, from which log , i can check errors ?07:39
Alumin//var/log/XOrg.0.log perhaps07:40
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blekoshi, i had a huge problem, i could not get into the internet. So no I am using one of this "restore" point that you see on start up.07:40
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blekosAlthough it seemed to be connected somehow smg was blocking from getting into the internet07:41
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blekosany ideas?07:41
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waylandbillangasule: in the same folder as the DVD iso is a .list file. Tells the contents07:41
Aluminrestore point?  You mean an alternate kernel?07:41
goingnorthwestanyone know which version of java im supposed to get?07:41
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blekosi guess so, just the previous version07:42
Alumingoingnorthwest: I'd get the Sun one07:42
Gizmo48OK, Why is THIS happening -->  I run Adept and it returns this error:  Su returned with an error.07:42
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blekosyou know, when you upgrade etc, linux autosave anything and you can use a previous version07:42
angasulewaylandbill: thanks :)07:42
blekoswill i have any differences in my programs?07:42
goingnorthwestty07:42
Aluminlinux doesn't "autosave everything" when you upgrade07:43
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goingnorthwestwhich version is it?07:43
skreechHello I'm having some issues with startx07:43
Aluminthe package manager will generally keep old kernels around and display more than one in the bootloader, though07:43
blekoshm, what does it saves?07:43
Aluminwhich I assume is what you're talking about07:43
blekoswhat does it save07:43
skreechI've taken my hard drive and put it in a new computer07:43
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angasulebah, not worth it, I'll get the CD, I'm going to install Feisty once it comes out anyway...07:43
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skreechdone a chroot to my / and did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg07:44
Alumingoingnorthwest: not sure, but java.com will have the latest version07:44
skreechI'm getting a EE no devices found error07:44
Aluminif it's not in apt07:44
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Alumintry "apt-cache search j2re"07:44
waylandbillskreech: that was my first advice dpkg-reconfigure the xorg. :-/07:44
skreechwaylandbill: Yup :)07:44
goingnorthwesti see 4 linux things, rpm, x64, x64 rpm?07:45
x_linkhttp://ftp.port80.se/ubuntu-cd/kubuntu/6.06/07:45
AluminJava should be getting a lot easier now that it's GPL07:45
waylandbillyou can always put in the vesa driver to get up and running07:45
skreechIt has vesa07:45
x_linkThat is the right file, right?07:45
Aluminno more futzing around with indirect installers07:45
waylandbillcan you pastebin the Xorg.0.log ?07:45
Aluminmad respect to blackdown for putting the work in, in the meantime, though07:45
skreechwaylandbill: from the terminal?07:45
blekosis there any chance vmware to block u from getting into the internet?07:46
waylandbillyeah.. that's always a dilema. :-)07:46
waylandbillblekos: if you didn't set up vmware to bridge or nat the network it could.07:46
blekosi c07:46
Gizmo48OK, Why is THIS happening -->  I run Adept and it returns this error:  Su returned with an error.07:46
Gizmo4807:46
Gizmo48Running Sudo by itself produced this:07:46
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Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 0 <<<07:46
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 1 <<<07:46
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 2 <<<07:46
skreechwaylandbill: the one error is No devices found07:46
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 3 <<<07:46
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 4 <<<07:46
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 5 <<<07:47
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 6 <<<07:47
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 7 <<<07:47
blekosi have uninstall it, i'll restart my computer now and c what happens07:47
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 8 <<<07:47
Gizmo48>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 9 <<<07:47
Gizmo48sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 007:47
Gizmo48---------------------------------07:47
skreechthe line before that says Primary Devices is :ISA07:47
Gizmo4807:47
skreech!paste | Gizmo4807:47
ubotuGizmo48: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)07:47
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waylandbillskreech. double check the devices in the xorg.conf then07:47
fdovingGizmo48: did you edit the /etc/sudoers file manually?07:48
Gizmo48no07:48
LL_Hakaisou!ati07:48
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:48
skreechwaylandbill: It says Device: Identifier "Generic Video Card"07:48
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skreechDriver "vesa'07:48
skreechBusID "PCI:1:0:0"07:48
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skreechShould I have a DRI setting?07:49
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skreechOnboard Video Card07:49
skreech!07:49
skreechDuh!!07:49
skreechI'll copy the Xorg from the non CHroot /07:50
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Gizmo48SORRY abt flood folks, still getting used to KVirc.07:50
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skreechwaylandbill: Whee new error :)07:51
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dell190_anyone know a good media player that will play MP3??07:54
Riddellamarok07:54
c0nv1ctamarok is the best by far07:54
dell190_it doesnt work :(07:54
c0nv1ctdid you install the codecs?07:54
dell190_how do i do that.. this is only my 3rd day using linux07:55
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c0nv1ct'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'07:55
Admiral_Chicagodell190_: you want to open up adept and install libxine-extracodecs07:55
waylandbilldell190_: edgy? amarok will ask if you want to install mp3 support07:56
Admiral_Chicago!multiverse | dell190_07:56
ubotudell190_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu07:56
c0nv1ctwaylandbill: it didnt ask me that in edgy :(07:56
Admiral_Chicagoyou want to add multiverse first though ^^07:56
Gizmo48fdoving: Im screwed now huh....:(07:56
waylandbillc0nv1ct: bummer. :-/07:56
waylandbillc0nv1ct: and it only does the first time you try to play an mp3.07:57
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dell190_i tried that SUDO code and it said that it is missing or obsolite07:59
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skreechwaylandbill: ok back again07:59
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fdovingGizmo48: reboot to rescue mode (grub boot menu) and fix your /etc/sudoers file with the 'visudo' command.08:00
skreech I get a no screens found error08:00
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waylandbillskreech: try a more conservative resolution.08:00
waylandbillXorg.0.log should give info about the error.08:01
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Gizmo48OK..  i did some checking, I think I know how... THANK YOU.    I was up till 5 AM this morning cofiguring the new install,, NOT happy.08:02
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skreechwaylandbill: Oh wait there is more to the Error. It says the screen section must only have either Driver or Identifier08:04
Admiral_Chicagodell190_: did you do sudo.08:04
Admiral_Chicagonot in capitals08:04
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dell190_yes08:05
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skreechwaylandbill: Ah Fixed that.08:06
skreechNow I'm back to no Devices detected :(08:06
Admiral_Chicagowhat command did you use?08:06
dell190_sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs08:06
Admiral_Chicagowhats the output?08:07
skreech0.o08:07
jermainhi everyone08:07
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jermain^^08:07
Admiral_Chicagooh, repositories. do you have multiverse installed?08:07
Admiral_Chicagoerr enabled*08:07
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dhqhow do i install rpm files in kubuntu08:08
dell190_i dunno08:08
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Admiral_Chicagodhq: you don't need to08:08
Admiral_Chicagodhq: what are you trying to install08:08
jermaindhq: try to find .deb files instead08:08
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dhqlimewire08:08
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Admiral_Chicagodhq: install frostwire...they have a .deb08:09
Admiral_Chicago!frostwire | dhq08:09
ubotudhq: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire08:09
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dhqAdmiral_Chicago: is it better than mldonkey08:09
jermaina retarded question, how do i install that [censure]  adobe flash plugin ><08:09
Admiral_Chicagoi don't know anything about ml donkey. I use frostwire about once a moth08:09
Admiral_Chicagojermain: which release are you in?08:10
skreech!flash | jermain08:10
ubotujermain: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:10
ubotuFlash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash08:10
skreech!X08:10
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:10
jermainthanks08:10
jermain!flash08:10
dhqfrostwire is not in the repos08:10
jermainthanks admiral08:10
Admiral_Chicagonp08:10
jermaini'll get into it right now08:10
Admiral_Chicagomay have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list08:11
skreechOk true or false if I have the same Video card and the same Monitor the same xorg.conf should work?08:11
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dasickishey I was wondering if anyone had this problem where Beryl works fine but then after a couple of times I opened it up it started crashing, so I tried to reinstall it and then NVidia drivers just wouldn't work anymore?08:11
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Admiral_Chicagojermain: flashplugin-nonfree is the package name08:11
chavoskreech, c. Maybe08:11
dasickisI was also removing some other non-related (or so I thought) programs before this happened08:11
Admiral_Chicagodasickis: might want to check in #ubuntu-effects08:11
dasickisthanks08:12
dasickisanother problem I had was Knetworkmanager messed up and doesn't look for wireless networks anymore08:13
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dasickisI was trying to install a local dns cache and edited resolv.conf08:13
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dasickisnow Knetworkmanager just has a static connection thing08:13
dasickisinstead of wireless networks it found08:13
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dell190_how do i install this Multiverse thing???08:14
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Admiral_Chicago!multiverse | dell190_08:15
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ubotudell190_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu08:15
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eigentardhola08:15
eigentardI'm trying to install Kubuntu but I'm getting kernel panic's off the 6.06 CD08:15
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jermainAdmiral_Chicago thanks again, i just installed it :)08:15
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Admiral_Chicagojermain: np08:16
eigentardhow can I fix this?08:16
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jermainit seems i dint have the multiverse enabled :)08:16
matthiashi08:16
skreechchavo: What would make it change?08:16
matthiasi nee a free fast server08:16
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matthiasi need a free, fast server08:16
matthiasbecause i want to make a place on the net08:17
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jermainuse a spare computer and make your own server :)08:17
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chavoskreech, different xorg version or maybe the video driver wasn't installed. for the most part it should work but there are times when it wouldn't08:17
eigentardI know this is a retarded question but how do I enter acpi=force into the boot line?  Do I put it before or after the -- ?08:18
matthiasso that i could make a place where linux game developers can find information on08:18
skreechchavo: How do I check for the driver?08:18
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matthiasa site where all information about developing a game is stored in a easy to find system08:18
vleonim trying to make kde look more like gnome (i like the gnome interface more and i want to see if kde can mimic it so i can compare other stuff)08:19
skreechmoin aseigo08:19
vleonso ive made my panel smaller and created a new pannel that will be in the upper screen08:19
matthiasbecause i want windows game developers to start developing games for linux08:19
aseigoskreech: moin08:19
matthiaslinux is the best08:20
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matthiasand i think linux really deserve this08:20
vleonbut i cant configure the upper pannel to make it smaller O_O08:20
hattamatthias, you might try icculus.org08:20
hattahttp://icculus.org/sysinfo/usage.html08:20
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hattathey host a lot of linux game projects08:20
matthiasah08:20
hattabut they're picky08:20
matthiasill take a look08:20
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dasickismatthias: are you a teacher at NEU?08:21
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matthiasi want to make a sort of information center filled with rescources to program a game08:21
matthiasAh no08:21
matthiasNEU???08:21
dasickismatthias: just wondering because I had a teacher last year with the same exact name08:21
matthiascool08:21
dasickismatthias: northeastern university08:21
matthiasi guss08:21
dasickismatthias: sorry about that but it was kinda crazy since it seems like an original name08:21
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matthiasi love linux and i want to help make it great08:22
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adydas_matthias helping me move house will help make it great :p08:22
pc_is it possible to mount a windows drive?08:22
adydas_!ntfs08:23
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse08:23
dasickisyeah08:23
fenrigpc_ yes it is08:23
adydas_!ntfs-3g | pc_08:23
ubotupc_: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)08:23
fenrigwhat do u mean with matthias helping me move house will help make it great :p08:23
pc_ty all08:23
adydas_fenrig: it means i dont want to move house, and if he does it for me he will be making linux great :p08:23
fenrigmove house08:24
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fenrigmove linux?08:24
adydas_dont worry08:24
fenrigbut im asking08:24
dell190_i am really starting to like linux ALOT08:24
fenrigfor a server08:24
fenrigme too08:25
adydas_you dont need to08:25
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fenrigwhy not?08:25
adydas_it was a jokey type comment08:25
adydas_means nothing08:25
dasickisits great but its still behind in simple applications (e.g. voice support in IM)08:25
dasickisespecially since google released libjingle08:25
fenrigbut can somebody help me08:26
fenriglinux is great08:26
fenrigonly the gaming isnt08:26
adydas_help you want08:26
adydas_what08:26
fenrigand thats a little ashame08:26
fenrigi want a piece of server08:26
adydas_fenrig: best game ever, pingus :P08:26
dell190_i have had linux for like 3 days... and also the people in here are really helpful :D08:26
adydas_you want a piece of server?08:26
hattasorry, the best game ever is nethack08:26
fenrigi mean to put on a website08:27
adydas_you want a webhost fenrig?08:27
skreechHow do I check which Xdrivers I have installed?08:27
fenrigand i want to drag windowsxlive into this project08:27
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fenrigyeah a webhost but not a bad one08:27
fenriglike i said i want to build things so that linux gaming developers can search info on that site08:28
adydas_you from america08:28
fenrigno08:28
fenrigBelgium08:28
hattaI love your waffles08:28
dell190_anyone know any Dial-up accelerators for linux ???08:28
adydas_just search the internet got VPS08:28
fenrighahaha08:28
dell190_lol08:29
adydas_for VPS even, sounds like what your after08:29
fenrigif somebody can help me out here08:29
fenrigi would really appreciate it08:29
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adydas_fenrig: google for VPS ( Virtual private Server ), it sounds like what your wanting08:29
fenrigim a hardcore gamer08:29
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fenrigwho wants games like prince of persia made for linux08:29
fenrigno wine or cedega08:29
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fenrigi love linux08:29
fenrigso please help me out08:30
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adydas_Ok i feel like im talking to a dead raccoon08:30
adydas_i just helped you08:30
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adydas_if its no help, your question needs another try08:30
c0nv1ctfenrig: what exactly are you trying to do?08:30
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adydas_c0nv1ct: Good luck, it sounds like he wants a server a VM or VPS08:30
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adydas_so he can host some website to make linux gaming the shizzle08:30
fenrigi want games like for example world of warcraft for linux but then native08:30
fenrigi want to lure windows game developers to linux08:31
adydas_But what do you want from us?08:31
c0nv1ctexactly, what do you need help with08:31
fenrigactually too much08:31
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fenrigi want that all game developers put info on that server08:31
fenrigand i need a little server08:31
dell190_i hghly doubt that you are gonna get windows developers to go to linux, when soooo many people are still on windows08:32
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fenrigno08:32
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c0nv1ctwindows is where the $ is, its all about market share08:32
Admiral_Chicago!offtopic08:32
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!08:32
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skreechAdmiral_Chicago: I'm on topic. Help me!08:32
fenrigno developers are changing08:32
fenriglook to Unreal Tournament 200408:33
skreechc0nv1ct: Like IE6?08:33
fenrigneverwinternights08:33
pc_i just installed ubuntu last night, is "fuse" already installed?08:33
c0nv1ctskreech: huh?08:33
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skreechc0nv1ct: All about Market share?08:33
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fenrigi want people to make professional games for linux08:33
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skreechthen IE7 breaks the ie6 compatible sites08:33
c0nv1ctskreech: yes, microsoft has the largest market share08:33
skreechYeah quality means nothing :-P08:34
fenrigand it doesnt have to be opensource08:34
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jhutchinsfenrig: And give them to you for free no doubt.08:34
fenrigno08:34
fenrigill buy them08:34
fenrigi dont want anything08:34
fenrigonly games that i can native use on my linux box08:34
fenrignot free08:34
fenrigill buy08:34
fenrigill pay for it08:35
pc_is "fuse" part of ubuntu?08:35
jhutchinsfenrig: http://linuxgaming.org08:35
jhutchins!find fuse08:35
ubotuFound: fuse-utils, libfuse-dev, libfuse2, fuse-source, fusecram (and 14 others)08:35
fenrigno thats not the same08:35
pc_k, thanks for answering my silly questions....08:35
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fenrigi want to collect all information about developing a game on LINUX08:36
fenriglinux is great08:36
c0nv1ctgoogle would be the best place to start :)08:36
fenrigi love it08:36
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fenrigi only just want too game professional08:36
fenrigi even08:36
Malphtry linuxgames.com08:36
fenrigremoved my windows box completly08:36
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fenrigto show my dedication08:37
fenrigi promote linux08:37
fenrigim just a boy of 1608:37
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fenrigi even got my school that far to let me install a linux box on a computer to demonstrate the power of linux08:37
fenrigim dedicated08:37
skreechfenrig: try #gametome08:38
ubuntu__Why do all flavors of ubuntu hate me?08:38
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hattabecause you stole their name08:38
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hattathat's better08:38
adydas_hah08:38
hyper_chiamsam9895: hmmm.... why did you do to all flavours ? *smile*08:38
iamsam9895Does ubuntu even support a 200GB HD?08:39
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dell190_Why dont you start writing games for linux08:39
iamsam9895I get grub errors08:39
c0nv1ctmine is installed on a 500gb HD08:39
iamsam9895Fun.08:39
adydas_yeah 320gb here08:39
raven3x7pc yeah but ubuntu's kernel is a bit old. dunno if they backported the latest module. you might need to mannually install it08:39
iamsam9895No grub errors at al?08:39
hyper_chiamsam9895: got a 320, a 500, a 160 and 120gb drive08:39
c0nv1ctnope08:39
iamsam9895I have a old live CD right now.08:39
hyper_ch2x IDE, 2x SATA08:39
fenrigMe08:39
raven3x7!fuse | pc_08:39
ubotupc_: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse08:39
fenrigthe problem is i dont know how on linux08:40
raven3x7!ntfs-3g | pc_08:40
ubotupc_: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)08:40
fenrigthere are some things i dont understand08:40
fenrigim java08:40
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c0nv1ctiamsam9895: what errors are you getting?08:40
fenrigand im gonna try to learn c++08:41
iamsam9895Mostly grub 1808:41
fenrigbut i love linux08:41
dasickisfenrig: what dont you understand?08:41
fenrigand thats why i want all info on one site08:41
skreech!via08:41
iamsam9895My install of linux onto my ipod was easier than this :P08:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about via - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:41
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dell190_companies are in it for Money, not cross platform support... they are going to make the games where the most money is08:41
adydas_iamsam9895: could you do everything on your ipod you can on this08:41
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fenrigwell why not linux and windows08:42
iamsam9895Hell no.08:42
adydas_beacuse they dont consider linux to be a money maker08:42
hyper_chfenrig: different architecture between linux and windows08:42
c0nv1ctfenrig: because of DirectX08:42
fenrigfuck directx08:42
tarnoldhello- what is the best graphical solution to reading and writing to an iPod?08:42
adydas_20 sales vs 200,000 sales kinda thing08:42
skreech!language | fenrig08:42
ubotufenrig: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.08:42
hyper_chhence why make a game to run under linux when I can concentrate on making it for windows where 90%+ of all gamers are08:42
fenrigsorry08:42
iamsam9895tarnold, A computer.08:42
iamsam9895Heh.08:42
tarnoldah hah08:42
hyper_chit's economical thinking08:42
jhutchinstarnold: Reading is difficult by design, amarok is good for writing.08:43
fenrigbecause 30 percent of that have dual boot08:43
dell190_cause mac and windows are the more dominates operating systems08:43
walterHi ouens, I wanna start writing applications for kde. Any idea how I can start?08:43
skreechhyper_ch: Because you have a wider market in terms of competition08:43
fenrigor considerd to change08:43
fenrigwhy try to change my mind about this08:43
LL_Hakaisou!lib3208:43
raven3x7fenrig, it takes a lot of resources to gt something to run on both linux and windows and companies wont bother until linux gets critical mass.08:43
dasickisdell190_: well isn't the goal of Ubuntu to start gaining some substantial marketshare08:43
fenrigi could a least try, cant i?08:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lib32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:43
hyper_chyou normally can't just make one game for linux08:43
dasickis?08:43
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: that error means your BIOS doesnt support booting to the location you installed /boot08:43
hyper_chthink of all the different architectures alone under linux08:43
adydas_fenrig:  i think your trying to pi55 into the wind here08:43
tarnoldjhutchins: some one mentioned gtkpod- what if i have Kde? isn't GTK gnome?08:43
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skreechhyper_ch: Id and epic do it for all the games they make08:44
dasickiswell fenrig is on the right path08:44
iamsam9895c0nv1ct: Any idea how to resolve this?08:44
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: make sure when you install Ubuntu to put a separate partition for /boot at the very beginning of the drive08:44
fenrigi want08:44
dasickissomeone has to start coding08:44
iamsam9895Ok08:44
fenrigto change win users08:44
dasickiswe can't all be like someone else is going to do it08:44
raven3x7walter, why not try contacting kde ppl/08:44
adydas_do that first the games will follow i feel08:44
dasickisbecause everyone wants someone else08:44
raven3x7?08:44
hyper_chskreech: might be true but there's no economic value in doing it nowadays08:44
iamsam9895Thanks so much.  I'll probably be back soon, hopefull not running off this live CD08:44
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fenrigi dont get it08:44
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: /boot only needs to be a few hundred MB, if that08:44
dell190_dasickis:  yes, but until that happens, people arn't gonna invest the money in things that are not going to sell big08:45
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fenrigi thought u guys were linux users08:45
dasickisdell190_: true08:45
walterraven3x7, any direction?08:45
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fenrignot windows users08:45
dasickisdell190_: but there needs to be a grassroots development08:45
iamsam9895300MB good?08:45
c0nv1ctplenty08:45
dasickisdell190_: so that more ppl start converting08:45
skreechhyper_ch: Once you undestand Linux coding it's easy to drop it in and it makes you instantly have a new market where you are basically unchallenged08:45
iamsam9895What is a good swap size?08:45
fenrigi cant understand u guys08:45
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raven3x7walter, dunno try #kde-dev maybe?08:45
c0nv1ctmy /boot uses 20mb right now08:45
fenrigi really cant08:45
dasickisdell190_: another reason companies don't want to do it because linux isn't standardized08:45
skreechgnomefreak: Any good with X ?08:45
fenriglet me try08:45
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: depends on how much RAM u have08:45
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parkerw207can you get linux for handheld devices ?08:45
dasickisdell190_: some ppl dont want any proprietary software at all on linux08:46
fenrigyes PSP08:46
iamsam9895about 75008:46
iamsam9895MB of ram08:46
dasickisbut others do08:46
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: make it 1.5gb swap08:46
fenrigwhat08:46
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: or an even 2gb, if ya want08:46
gnomefreakskreech: kind of08:46
hyper_chskreech: making a modern game costs a large sum of money and you dont know if it will succeed or be a failure... hence there's no econimic incentive to also make it availble in linux... under one or more architecture... it just adds a lot of momentum to the rist of being a failure...08:46
raven3x7walter, sorry doesnt seem to exis. maybe tyou could ask at one of the mailing lista at kde.org08:46
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skreechgnomefreak: Have 10 minutes?08:46
dasickisbut then some ppl want the full source yet others don't care so linux has to deal with these issues before it gets the mass08:46
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dell190_dasickis: thats also a good point, maybe eventually Linux will overrun windows... anything is possible08:46
gnomefreakskreech: yep08:47
iamsam9895Yeah, I'll go for 2gb, I'll stick in the room until I have all of it set up.08:47
fenrigwhy wait08:47
skreechhyper_ch: Not when you are getting your engine from id or epic and it supports it natively08:47
dasickisdell190_: yeah it'll be a while before that happens08:47
fenrigi want to help linux get known08:47
skreechgnomefreak: Ok I'm getting a no screens found error08:47
fenriginto the whole world08:47
walterraven, thanks ill try.08:47
fenrigmost users dont know what linux is08:47
dasickisdell190_: linux needs to get serious with certain things and help developers/companies make money08:47
gnomefreakskreech: what driver?08:47
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raven3x7parkerw207, well there are linux smartphones08:47
hyper_chskreech: so what games can you make with those engines?08:47
SkrotHi, is there a good way to synchronize two computers (e.g a laptop and a workstation)?08:47
walterraven, connection very slow now, gonna give it a try tomm. tx08:48
dasickisSkrot: what do you mean?08:48
skreechgnomefreak: as some background I've put my hard drive in a new computer and done a chroot into it08:48
iamsam9895Help linux get known?  I handed out ubuntu cd's to about half my school.08:48
iamsam9895Heh.08:48
skreechgnomefreak: via08:48
hyper_ch!rsync | skrot08:48
dell190_Fenrig: if you want alot of people to go to linux... you could always try standing outside with a loud bell and yess it out... just a suggestion08:48
ubotuskrot: rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.8-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 237 kB, installed size 472 kB08:48
raven3x7walter its #kde-devel08:48
gnomefreakskreech: edgy?08:48
Skrotdasickis: Syncronize the home directories so they're "the same", not rsycn ;)08:48
Skrotrsync*08:48
skreechhyper_ch: Look at the mods for Ut and you tell me :)08:48
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dasickisooo08:48
skreechgnomefreak: the chroot is08:48
gnomefreakskreech: are you using the -d flag?08:48
skreechgnomefreak: sorry?08:48
hyper_chskreech: an ego shooter... that's just one sort of game...08:48
gnomefreakskreech: example dchroot -c edgy -d08:48
skreechstartx -d ?08:48
gnomefreakskreech: or if just one dchroot -d08:49
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skreechgnomefreak: chroot -c edgy -d ?08:49
fenrigman08:49
skreechno I'm Not08:49
fenrigplease08:49
gnomefreakskreech: how are you starting your chroot?08:49
Skrothyper_ch, dasickis: Or lets say I want to have the (exact) same user on two computers. Same $home-directory and everything08:49
skreechsudo chroot <path>08:49
gnomefreakskreech: sudo /var/chroot/?08:49
hyper_chSkrot: rsync synchronizes08:49
gnomefreaklol08:49
skreechhyper_ch: no look at the mods08:49
fenrigi dont really get it08:49
gnomefreakskreech: if i were you i would set it up like the wiki says to with dchroot :)08:49
gnomefreak!chroot08:49
ubotuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box08:49
skreech Driving games. Platformers. Strategy games. Flight games08:49
fenrigwhy dont u guys want to help08:50
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gnomefreakskreech: you need the -d flag to use X08:50
skreechAhhh!08:50
skreechgnomefreak: sweet :)08:50
gnomefreak:)08:50
hyper_chskreech: you are limited to one genre with that...  its a beginning but there isn't enough incentive to consider this a broad range of games08:50
fenriglinux can only get mature if the users and developers do what they believe is right08:50
raven3x7fenrig we're here arent we? that means we are trying to help.08:50
fenrigraven3x7 i know that08:51
dell190_Fenrig: the people here cannot force big companies to make Linux games08:51
fenrigi believe what i do is the right thing to do08:51
dasickisSkrot: you could have a network drive and then have both the home drives link to that08:51
skreechhyper_ch: Look up at the list of genre types I've lited08:51
skreechListed08:51
fenrigwe can force08:51
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hyper_chfirst of all dekstop/office computers will need to be transformed into linux before there will be games08:51
skreechgnomefreak: -d unrecognized option :(08:51
dasickisSkrot: but for synchronization I think rsync is the best08:51
Skrotokay08:51
iamsam9895I could use some help setting up partitions, can anybody help?08:51
gnomefreakskreech: set up dchroot08:52
fenrigwhat08:52
gnomefreakits a handy little app :)08:52
raven3x7fenrig, what exaclty is your point? i dont get it. if you learn a bit of c++ and then contact oe of the many open source games put there08:52
fenrigthats not my purpose08:52
fenrigmaybe there are developers that want to make games08:52
fenrigbut dont know how08:52
dell190_fenrig: face it.. untill there are more linux computers in the world than windows 90%+ software will be developed for windows and/or Mac08:53
hyper_ch!metaquestion | iamsam989508:53
ubotuiamsam9895: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)08:53
fenrigbelieve me i tried to make a game08:53
iamsam9895What partition type should my boot be?08:53
skreechhyper_ch: :-)08:53
hyper_chiamsam9895: if you don't know what you do, then use ext308:53
raven3x7fenrig you need to understand multibillion corporations dont listen to ppl they  listen to market statistics and economics08:53
fenrigdont u guys see what im trying to do08:53
fenrigyeah but08:53
iamsam9895Should it be primary or extended?08:54
errhechi how can I check the CPU temperature from terminal?08:54
fenrighow do u guys ever believe linux can get great without any descent game on it08:54
fenrigthere are games08:54
MalphI remember hearing that you should avoid using ext3 for boot partitions and should use ext208:54
fenrigbut not that good08:54
Malphbecause a computer is more than an ovelry priced game system08:55
raven3x7hmm it wont get to the mass market but what linux really needs to do is get into education. that is the only way it will get adopted more08:55
hyper_chiamsam9895: doesn't really matte.r. you can only have 4 primary partitions... so if you have no good reason to make it a primary then make it an extended08:55
eigentardI have to install linux for astro research :X08:55
raven3x7fenrig, ^^08:55
eigentardraven3x7: linux and unix are already in education08:55
eigentardany decent university at least08:55
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skreechfenrig: have you joined #gametoem?08:56
hyper_cheigentard: I would call my university a decent one but only very few servers are running linux08:56
skreech#gametome ?08:56
fenrigskreech i did08:56
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fenriggaming is a important part08:56
hyper_chProbably all of them belong to the student union as they don't have to pay royalities that way...08:56
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raven3x7eigentard, i meant even more. and it also needs to get into education outside of europe. and i dont mean just universities but also elementary schools and high schools08:57
hyper_chfenrig: no, gaming is overrated in this...08:57
skreechfenrig: What's the definition you have for a god game?08:57
skreechGood game?08:57
fenrigGod of war08:57
fenrigfor example08:57
hyper_chfenrig: as long as most businesses and companies use windows and windows applications then people will also use that at home...08:57
fenrigyeah but i know people who use linux but returned to windows08:58
fenrigjust because of the lack of games08:58
raven3x7fenrig i find some really good games run nativly in linux. Quake Doom NWN.08:58
hyper_chfreeciv :)08:58
fenrigyeah they are great08:58
skreech!games08:58
ubotuInformation about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org08:58
fenrigbut thats not enough08:58
hyper_chfenrig: as long as not a lot more people use linux there won't be much more games for linux08:59
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raven3x7fenrig and then theres also games like Sauerbraten Nexuiz westnoth to mention a few that are open source and quite good as well08:59
fenrigbut if there arent more games for linux not a lot of people would want to use linux08:59
fenrigyeah08:59
hyper_chfenrig: no, I don't think so08:59
errhechi is anybody knov how to see the temperature cpu in terminal? Thank you09:00
hyper_chas long as in companies and government mainly windows is being used, people will be "trained" to use windows...09:00
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dell190_fenrig:  you could always dual boot windows and linux, use windows for gaming and linux for everything else09:00
raven3x7fenrig, not everyone plays games and even less ppl use a pc to play games these days09:00
fenrigdell190_09:00
fenrigthats not what i mean09:00
fenrigi game09:00
hyper_ch!temperature09:01
fenrigbut im dedicated to linux09:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about temperature - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:01
hyper_ch!cpu09:01
fenrigeveryone who supports my idea09:01
ubotucpu: a console based LDAP user management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-8 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 432 kB09:01
skreechgnomefreak: Ping09:01
fenrigcan mail me to maregt0@telenet.be09:01
eigentardHow do I change the resolution/refresh rate on the 6.10 LiveCD?09:01
gnomefreakskreech: ?09:01
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skreechThe page looks like it's installing a new setup09:01
raven3x7fenrig i do too but that wont change the fact that companies will only port when they have a lot to get out of it09:02
skreechgnomefreak: I have all my stuff on a drive. I just don't have a computer09:02
fenrigeverybody who supports my idea can mail me to maregt0@telenet.be09:02
gnomefreakskreech: just install dchroot and change the config file and set up as you with with the latter part of the page09:02
fenrigso i can try to change a little09:02
xholickahello people! whats up?09:02
gnomefreakyou dont need to run sudo dbootstrap...... again09:02
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hyper_chfenrig: make it clear to businesses that they can profit from linux... lower costs of maintenance, no royalities anymore, better security and stability...09:03
skreechgnomefreak: ok09:03
fenrigplease spread this idea and ask peoples opinion of it09:03
skreechgnomefreak: so just mount my drive to the designated folder?09:03
fenrigand everybody who supports my idea can mail me to maregt0@telenet.be09:03
skreechfenrig: hang out in #gametome :)09:03
fenrighyper_ch09:03
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hyper_chfenrig: and if you can provide them with according support contracts then they will change... once they do, the home owners will also09:03
fenrigil do that09:03
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raven3x7fenrig you do realise you are preaching to the converted right?09:03
skreechfenrig: I'm not in there now but I have plans for world domination as well09:03
skreechfenrig: ubuntu has a games team I'm told09:03
hyper_chfenrig: and then you will have enough momentum for making games worthwile to prot to linux09:04
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skreechraven3x7: He wants a militant converted09:04
kubuntuhi09:04
NightBirdquestion.... what's the point of blocking outgoing connections?09:04
NightBirdfor the firewall09:04
gnomefreakskreech: sudo apt-get install dchroot thansudo editor /etc/dchroot.conf and add the line below it (mychroot /var/chroot/ or whatever path) than skip down to the  sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /var/chroot/etc/resolv.conf part and continue with instructions09:05
NightBirdI mean, I can understand droping incoming connections...09:05
fenrigim09:05
raven3x7skreech, lets all pick up our automatic rifles and tart a guerrilla war :p09:05
=== gnomefreak brb need to get this built
fenrigjust a user with a maybe impossible dream09:05
fenrigbut i thought about this idea a long time09:05
skreechgnomefreak: Cool09:05
BluesKajso malware can't phone home and invite more malware to infect your pc09:05
fenrigand i chose to09:06
skreechBluesKaj: Sounds like WGA on Vista :)09:06
fenrigfufile my dream09:06
raven3x7blue, huh?09:06
BluesKajwell skreech, still have a hard time ridding my gatesian thought process :)09:07
raven3x7BluesKaj, what malware?09:07
fenrigi09:07
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fenrigjust want to contribute09:07
fenrigon my way09:07
fenrigplease email me if u support my idea to maregt0@telenet.be09:08
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hyper_chfenrig: it's not futile but just don't expect it to happen from today to tomorrow09:08
cacghi09:08
cacgbye good!09:08
fenrigno i know it takes some time09:09
fenrigbut i would do it gladly if i know im supported by the linux users/developers09:09
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fenrigaka u guys09:09
eigentarduh oh09:09
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eigentardI just accidentally unmounted all my harddrives09:10
eigentarddid I lose all my data? :X09:10
JoshooaWhat instant messaging client does everyone use?09:10
eigentardI'm dual booting it09:10
Cugelfenrig: what do you think is a decent game?09:10
hyper_chfenrig: sure we love games for linux09:10
hyper_chJoshooa: skype, kopete and amsn09:10
skreecheigentard: no09:10
skreech!im09:10
ubotuInstant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.09:10
eigentardskreech: How should I remount my windows-hard drives?09:10
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fenriga descent game for me is09:10
fenrigfor example unreal tournament 200409:11
Joshooahyper_ch: Why so many? And isn't Skype just VoIP?09:11
eigentardshould they be /media/sda1 ?  or should I make it blank?09:11
fydowha?09:11
fydout2k4 is nothing like descent09:11
fenrigi think it is09:11
fydoexcept that they are 3d and first person09:11
CugelHe means 'decent'.09:11
fenrigokay09:11
fenrigeuhm09:11
hyper_chJoshooa: hmmm, amsn for the webcam, skype for voip, and kopete for icq/yahoo09:11
skreech!ntfs | eigentard09:11
ubotueigentard: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse09:11
fenrigu guys know prince of persia two thrones??09:11
Cugelfenrig: I agree with you to some extent -- basically there are too few games available both on Windows and linux. Far too few.09:12
Joshooafenrig: Yes09:12
fenrigthank u09:12
eigentardubotu: I don't need to see them from linux, I just want to make sure that I don't format them while I'm installing it :X09:12
fenrigbut please email me at maregt0@telenet.be09:12
fenrigand tell me ur idea09:12
JoshooaI love all the PoP games, they are cool, and UT is cool too, both good series09:12
skreechgnomefreak: I take the .conf file doesn't like spaces?09:12
raven3x7eigentard, sudo mount -a09:12
CugelBut: opinion is divided whether Linux _should_ have 'better' support. It's not a gaming platform, I think.09:12
gnomefreakskreech: sure it does09:13
raven3x7eigentard, unless you deleted your fstab09:13
skreechgnomefreak: It's spitting at me then09:13
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skreechinvalid input line09:13
fenrigPoP is one of the best games09:13
gnomefreakskreech: just open it (should be empty) than no space at start so it would be like |nameofchroot /var/chroot09:13
fydoCugel: it would that epic and id software would disagree with you09:13
Joshooafenrig: Do you like the Sands Of Time, Warrior Within, or Two Thrones the most?09:13
gnomefreakor whatever path it is09:14
hyper_chnoting beats Worms :)09:14
fydoit would seem*09:14
raven3x7Cugel, yeah its a movingtarget and that mekes it hard to develop closed source apps for it in general09:14
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gnomefreakshould only have one space in it09:14
skreechgnomefreak: The line reads mychroot "/home/vtiger/Desktop/untitled folder'09:14
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fenrigall of them09:14
skreechhyper_ch: tried wormux?09:14
gnomefreakskreech: no make untitled folder untitled_folder09:14
fenrigbut two thrones is a little better09:14
gnomefreakand change the name of the folder too09:14
fenrigthere all good games09:14
skreechgnomefreak: ok I'll have to log off here09:15
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hyper_chskreech: nope... I had worms (the original one and before that scorched earth) on dos/windows09:15
hyper_chskreech: then worms 209:15
hyper_chand then worms armageddon on PS109:15
gnomefreakskreech: i used /var/chroot/edgy as mine09:15
skreechhyper_ch: try Wormux :)09:15
gnomefreakand dapper adn feisty09:15
raven3x7Worm rules09:15
hyper_chskreech:09:15
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raven3x7worms09:15
skreechgnomefreak: ok I'm logging out here09:15
hyper_chskreech: it's more fun to play it on the ps1 :)09:15
skreechhyper_ch: No doubt09:15
hyper_chskreech: have some beer, popcorn, 1-3 friends09:16
hyper_ch:)09:16
fenrigplease if u share my opinion email me at maregt0@telenet.be09:16
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kimmernHey! I've got a new laptop with 2gb intel centrino duo, and 512mb nvidia geforce..my question is why minimize and maximize animations on windows arn't running smoothly? I have the newest nvidia drivers, and my laptop should be good enough to make this animations run smooth..any tips for us nvidia users?09:19
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hyper_chkimmern: "on windows"???09:20
CugelHas anyone experience running Second Life on KDE?09:20
fenrigso euhm09:20
fenrigi want to spread my idea09:20
kimmernhyper_ch: like the firefox windows, and konqueror window..etc..09:20
hyper_chah09:21
Cugelfenrig: why do we need to mail you? Are you collecting signatures?09:21
hyper_chkimmern: open a command shell and enter   "glxgears"09:21
fenrigeuhm09:21
fenrigi want to know09:21
kimmernhyper_ch: works fine, and dri is enabled..09:21
BluesKajis there a second life...where do i sign up ? :)09:21
fenrigthat there are people who share my opinoin09:21
fenrigso that i really know i can make it and not to wind up alone09:22
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BluesKajwhat are you talking about fenrig ?09:22
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fenrigi want to know09:22
fydofenrig: you can't get peoples opinions over irc?09:22
CugelWell, it's more that many people know and understand your opinion, but it's not a high priority thing to 'fix', since there is nothing to fix really.09:23
fenrigif people share my opinion09:23
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fenrigbecause i need some people to contribute information on it09:23
fydoyou could save everyone a lot of effort, just cut and paste from this window into your email program :)09:23
fenrigabout developing linux games09:23
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hyper_chkimmern: hmm, let a terminal open with "top" and see what is making it lag so much09:23
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jusama14hey09:23
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vtigergnomefreak: Still not working09:24
jusama14my school computer has kubuntu installed but i do not understand how to install kplayer on it09:24
henrik_Hi, I installed kubuntu a few days ago (the newest version edgy or something) and I have a problem... about half the times I watch a movie in vlc about 10 minutes into the movie the computer freezes, I can still hear sound but the screen is frozen and keyboard and mouse doesn't work I have to restart the computer with the reset button. Does anyone know of this problem or where i can look to find some kind of error message ?09:24
jusama14any help?09:24
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fenrigwhat do u mean fydo?09:24
kubuntuei09:24
kubuntuima li   balgari tuka09:24
kubuntu?09:24
gnomefreakvtiger: and you are?09:24
vtigergnomefreak: skreech09:24
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vtigerchroot09:24
c0nv1cthenrik_: its probably ACPI power managemnt09:24
vtigerstill throwing the error09:24
gnomefreakvtiger: how are you running it?09:24
gnomefreakoh the file09:24
vtigerdchroot -c mychroot -d09:24
BluesKajhenrik , have you tried other players like kaffeine ?09:25
kubuntuspreshen  zi bulgerish09:25
fydofenrig: i mean you can get our opinions over irc just fine, why do we need to email you?09:25
kubuntu?09:25
gnomefreakvtiger: try dchroot -d09:25
kubuntud09:25
gnomefreakvtiger: did you finish the page out for most part?09:25
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gnomefreakkubuntu: please dont spam in here09:25
vtigerthe line from the file is mychroot /home/vtiger/Desktop/untitled_folder09:25
vtigergnomefreak: I think so09:26
henrik_c0nv1ct power management.. shouldn't i be able to get out of that with hte keyboard :) anyway thanks i will try to change the settings09:26
vtigerAnything that said something about installing into the chroot I ignored09:26
c0nv1cthenrik_: you should, but if theres a compatability problem, it could crash09:26
JoshooaHmm Gaim seems to be better than Kopete09:26
gnomefreakvtiger: did you add the paths to etc/fstab?09:26
gnomefreakand sudo mount -a09:26
fdoving!bg | kubuntu09:26
ubotukubuntu:  #ubuntu-bg    . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently09:26
henrik_BluesKaj no i havne't tried that one, i went for vlc right away09:26
vtigergnomefreak: Ummm09:27
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jusama14anyone know how to solve my problem?09:27
fenrigi have the idea that im not really supported09:27
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vtigernoooo09:27
BluesKajvlc has some problems in kubuntu09:27
fdovingfenrig: i belive you're in the wrong place. this is mainly a kubuntu support channel.09:27
gnomefreakvtiger: finish the complete page. stop at options09:27
vtigergnomefreak: Isn't that a little more permanent?09:27
c0nv1cthenrik_: yeah, i use kaffeine, its much better in kubuntu than VLC09:27
gnomefreakeverything from what i gave you down09:27
vtigerI just want this for a few days can't I mount it manually?09:28
kubuntukajete09:28
raven3x7henrik_ BluesKaj, my suggestion is if you have to use xine use xine-ui its the most stable09:28
kubuntuskyp09:28
fenrigno im not in the wrong place09:28
gnomefreakvtiger: it will mount it automagicly after you do that once09:28
kubuntuza   kubuntu09:28
kubuntu?09:28
jusama14kaffeine doesn't support h264 codecs09:28
jusama14when trying to open nsv streams09:28
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fdoving!skype | kubuntu09:28
ubotukubuntu: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto09:28
henrik_c0nv1ct is there a nice ui interface for acpi in kubuntu ?09:28
fenrigthis still is a linux user channel09:28
BluesKajI have no probs with kaffeine09:28
henrik_raven3x7 ok thanks09:28
vtigergnomefreak: but it's mounted now :)09:28
vtigerdoes dchroot need the /etc/fstab entry?09:28
jusama14could someone explain how to install kplayer on kubuntu?09:28
raven3x7henrik_, just keep in mind that its ui is ugly as hell09:28
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Jontyis it possible to upgrade to Fiesty, not doing a fresh install?09:29
henrik_raven3x7 hehe ok09:29
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vtigergnomefreak: and the fstab entry is making me use the /home as the /chroot/home09:29
jusama14....09:29
kimmernhyper_ch: only beryl which uses 14% cpu, else there is nothing much interesting..09:29
raven3x7Jonty, well if you dont have many custom usupported packages, but since its still in alpha your system could break09:30
vtigergnomefreak: the major point of this is I don't want to use the /home I already have a /chroot/home that I want to do work in09:30
iamsam9895Anybody know the connection for dalnet?09:30
BKJonty, I think it's possible by doing a network upgrade09:30
hyper_chkimmern: no clue... beryl runs just fine on my old computer09:30
vtiger!upgrade | Jonty09:30
ubotuJonty: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)09:30
raven3x7Jonty, also the best place to ask would be #ubuntu+109:30
Jontyok09:31
Jontyhmm09:31
jusama14!help kplayer install09:31
Jontystill alpha?09:31
gnomefreakvtiger: if you have a folder /chroot/home/bleh make sure you us that in fstab and in any of the other cp commands09:31
JoshooaWhy is my server in London?09:31
Jontyis it ever beta?09:31
JoshooaI'm by Seattle09:31
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gnomefreakJoshooa: edgy is stable09:31
gnomefreakJonty: edgy is stable09:31
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vortigauntHello! Anyone have an idea why knetworkmanager stalls at 28% when i'm trying to connect to my wireless network?09:31
JontyI know09:31
gnomefreaksorry Joshooa09:31
JontyI've been using Edgy for ages09:31
guidenwhat happend to my files if i name them "..."09:31
Joshooagnomefreak: It's okay just confused me09:32
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gnomefreakJonty: feisty is not beta yet its still alpha09:32
JontyOK09:32
raven3x7Jonty, i think it i best to not upgrade until at least RC unless you dont mind the occasional breakage09:32
raven3x7its09:32
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dell190what packages do i need to download for MP3 playback with Amarok09:33
LL_Hakaisouis there a program that can display virtual memory usage?09:33
reldruhI'm trying to build a kde4 development environment using the techbase guide, but when i try to cmakekde kdepimlibs it tells me that the installed version of kdelibs (3.5.6) is too old. I've already build kdelibs for 4.0 but I'm not sure how to get cmake aware of it. My .bashrc file is the same one from the guide as well. Can anybody help?09:33
raven3x7!mp3 | dell19009:33
ubotudell190: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:33
jusama14!kplayer09:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:33
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fenrigplease take a look and vote here09:34
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columbiaHeh.09:34
columbiaFun09:34
raven3x7jusama14, what are you trying o do?09:34
fenrighttp://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=18456#1845609:34
fenrigif u can09:34
gnomefreakfenrig: join #kubuntu-offtopic for that09:34
jusama14i'm trying to figure out how to install kplayer on kubuntu09:34
LL_Hakaisou!virtual memory09:34
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about virtual memory - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:34
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raven3x7jusama14, i think it is in kde-multimedia but i could be wrong09:34
vtigergnomefreak: chdir nosuch file or dir09:35
jusama14it only comes with kaffein09:35
gnomefreakvtiger: what is chdir?09:35
jusama14kaffeine*09:35
vtigerI'm not sure09:35
raven3x7jusama14, why dont you search for it in adept?09:35
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vtigerdchroot fails with that09:35
jusama14adept? sorry totall new09:35
iamsam9895/nickserv identify snakes09:35
iamsam9895errr09:35
iamsam9895Clear that!09:35
gnomefreakiamsam9895: /msg nickserv :)09:36
vtigergnomefreak: executing shell in 'mychroot' chroot.09:36
iamsam9895I know, i'm just messing with people.09:36
iamsam9895I wanna see how many people try to ghost me09:36
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gnomefreakvtiger: without looking at the set up im not gonna be much help09:36
vtigergnomefreak: dchroot: chdir: no such file or directory09:36
raven3x7jusama14, adept is the graphical package management tool for kubuntu. In short it helps you find and install programms09:36
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gnomefreakvtiger: did you install dchroot?09:36
jusama14oh, where can i access that?09:36
vtigerYup09:36
vtigerthe command I ran was09:37
vtigerdchroot -c mychroot -d09:37
raven3x7!repos | jusama1409:37
ubotujusama14: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu09:37
iamsam9895Well, time to see if my computer can run WITHOUT the live CD09:37
vtigerI'm rereading the page09:37
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raven3x7jusama14, ^^ read that first09:37
jusama14kk09:37
vtigergnomefreak: The error the line after that is Unknown id: vtiger09:37
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raven3x7lol09:38
vtigergnomefreak: What's the debootstrap for?09:38
gnomefreakmaybe because you didnt finish the page. look at the passwd part but please follow the guide all except for the debootstrap command09:38
jusama14so this will work with kplayer?09:38
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gnomefreakvtiger: that makes your chroot. installs the basic system09:38
raven3x7jusama14, adept?09:39
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jusama14i mean09:39
vtigergnomefreak: and if I don't want it to install a new basic system?09:39
jusama14i read through it..do i just add the respository it gives me on the kplayer site?09:39
vtigergnomefreak: I added the /proc and /dev into /etc/fstab btw09:39
doomnxhi... i've got a problem with kubuntu... it doesn't shut down properly... it will either freeze or appear an "out of range" monitor message09:39
gnomefreakvtiger: skip the debootstrap command09:40
vtigergnomefreak: right09:40
raven3x7jusama14, i havent read it really and i use amarok but if it says so its your best bet09:40
vtigerHmm I wonder if the /etc/debian_chroot is missing09:40
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vtigerIt is09:41
vtigergnomefreak: the page says echo mychroot > /etc/debian_chroot09:41
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jusama14on their site it also says09:41
jusama14   apt-get update09:41
jusama14   apt-get install mplayer kplayer kplayer-doc libdvdcss w32codecs09:41
vtigerthe mychroot is from the /etc/dchroot.conf?09:41
jusama14where do i enter that?09:41
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raven3x7on a terminal and those commands need to begin with "sudo ..."09:42
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jusama14ohk09:43
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vtigergnomefreak: do I have to be in the folder for dchroot to work?09:43
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joelLL_Hakaisou: Did you find a command to display swap usage?09:43
joelLL_Hakaisou: otherwise... try "free"09:44
leleobhzsomeone can indicate some php ide for kde?09:44
vtiger!php09:44
ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)09:44
jusama14thx09:44
leleobhzerr09:44
doomnxcan anyone help me with offline nvidia driver installation?09:44
leleobhzIDE!09:44
raven3x7np09:45
vtigergnomefreak: intresting fact. If I leave out the -d option it no longer asks for chdir09:45
vtiger!ide09:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:45
leleobhzargh09:45
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raven3x7leleobhz, Eclipe has a plugin. Quanta and Bluefish while not IDEs can be helpfull09:47
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raven3x7leleobhz, Eclipse09:47
gnomefreakvtiger: true but you cant run X apps really without it09:47
iamsam9895Thank you so much c0nv1ct!09:47
leleobhzeclipse is too big to install in kubuntu09:48
leleobhz+- 130mb09:48
raven3x7iamsam9895, i hope you changed your pswd :D09:48
vtigergnomefreak: I ran it with sudo this time09:48
vtiger It still throws a chdir error but I'm chrooted now :)09:48
gnomefreakvtiger: if you finish the page you wont have the errors and you wont need sudo09:49
c0nv1ctiamsam9895: working fine now? :)09:49
raven3x7leleobhz, too big? well try quanta then. A full-fledged  IDE is bound to be large09:49
vtigergnomefreak: going though09:49
dell190__how do i install the libxine-extracodecs package?09:49
raven3x7!codecs /\ dell19009:50
raven3x7!codecs | dell19009:50
ubotudell190: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:50
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dell190__Raven:  i read that already...09:50
jusama14oh yeah does anyone know how to install wine?09:50
jusama14on kubuntu?09:50
jusama14!wine09:50
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.09:50
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jusama14oh nice they got a respository for it09:51
raven3x7dell190,  "sudo apt-get install package" on a terminal09:51
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raven3x7jusama14, best get it from winehq.org repo09:51
iamsam9895Working Wonderfully.09:51
vtigergnomefreak: Thanks a lot!09:52
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jusama14more stable?09:52
raven3x7dell190, did that help?09:52
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jusama14do they have a binary for it? so it's not such a hard installation?09:53
raven3x7jusama14, its the latest version. ubuntus repos have an older one09:53
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jusama14is there anyway i can tell the repos to fetch the latest version?09:53
doomnxcan anyone help me to install nvidia drivers on ubuntu offline?09:53
jusama14that way i wont have to go through the trouble installing wine in such a difficult way09:53
raven3x7jusama14, actually they have an ubuntu repo. theres instructions on their download page09:53
jusama14on wine's site?09:54
raven3x7yes09:54
jusama14oh ok thx09:54
dell190__no it didn't help :(09:54
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JoshooaIf I install Kubuntu on my system, I cannot later add Windows, correct?09:54
CugelIncorrect.09:55
jusama14maybe on a separate partition?09:55
slougiyou can, but it is easier to install windows first09:55
JoshooaI th ought when I installed WIndows, it would mess up the boot and ruin Grub09:55
jusama14kubuntu and ubuntu are the same right?09:55
slougiyou have to reinstall grub, yes09:55
JoshooaI mean I know I CAN install, but I thought it messed things up, cause windows will try to take priority and be the only OS09:55
jusama14or almost the same09:56
Cugeljusama: yes.09:56
slougijusama14: different default packages, otherwise the same09:56
jusama14oh ok09:56
vtiger!grub | Joshooa09:56
ubotuJoshooa: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto09:56
JoshooaI know what grub is09:56
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JoshooaI'm just debating if I should install windows then Kubuntu, cause I don't want WIndows, but, just in case I do, I  m ight want it, but down the road I don't want more difficulties if I want Win for Games or something09:57
NixHex!nvidia | doomnx09:57
ubotudoomnx: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:57
CugelJoshooa: You might consider Qemu or VMWare, too.09:57
Cugel!qemu09:57
ubotuqemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo09:57
doomnxNixHex i need to install them offline, no internet at home09:58
JoshooaCugel: Okay, I do not know what those are.09:58
JoshooaWill read about them09:58
JoshooaIs that the virtual thing?09:58
Joshooaor, A virtual thing09:58
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K`zanJoshooa: Install wincrap first, then linux as wincrap is too stupid or arrogant to recognize anything else..  Wincrap will destroy your boot sector and you'll have to fix it if you do it the other way around (not hard, just a PITA).09:58
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JoshooaAlso, I am talking to my friend right now, and she's on MSN, and sometimes her messages don't get th rough to me, sometimes they do, and it h appens both in Kopete and in GAIM, but has only happened today no other time, is that probably just an MSN or Internet thing, and nothing we can do about it?09:59
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dell190__Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not installable09:59
K`zanJoshooa: Somtimes the net is like that :).10:00
NixHexdoomnx: yes, just download nvidia-glx package and linux-restricted modules from repo, put on disc and there you go...I'll give command here in a sec10:00
vortigauntHello! Anyone have an idea why knetworkmanager stalls at 28% when i'm trying to connect to my wireless network? I've # everything but lo entries in /etc/network/interfaces and created a file called wpasupplicant with the entry ENABLED=0 in /etc/default10:00
JoshooaK`zan: Thanks, that's what I thought, could be done but could be avoided.  I would just rather not have windows, but I think it'd be easier for me than trying to use Wine or a Virtual install10:00
K`zanJoshooa: Wine doesn't work for much of what I occasionally need, unfortunately :-(.  I'd rather not have wincrap either, but it is an evil necessity :).10:01
JoshooaK`zan: I thought so too, but it adds more work to reinstalling and re-partitioning my HDs10:01
K`zanJoshooa: I live in linux and only boot wincrap when I have no other option (about .001 of the time :-).10:01
K`zanJoshooa: Yep, it does :-(.10:02
K`zanJoshooa: Dealing with wincrap is ALWAYS a PITA :-(.10:02
JoshooaK`zan: Well I just got Photoshop CS2 and a bunch of tutorials and a bunch of games and stuff, and I think it'd be an easier and wiser move to just leave those files in Windows, and ignore my Master 40GB drive while in Kubuntu, and have Kubuntu just use the 200 GB, as well as use it as shared NTFS between both OSs and on my netowrk10:02
sebbarreldruh: try asking in #kde or #kde4-devel10:03
NixHexdoomnx: what version dapper/edgy/feisty, what?10:03
K`zanJoshooa: Essentially what I am doing here.10:03
c0nv1ctJoshooa: thats a good idea, i do something similar10:03
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doomnxedgy10:03
doomnxgeforce 680010:03
reldruhsebbar: I'm in those rooms right now waiting for a repsonse; I thought I'd come here and see if anybody knew10:03
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doomnxu need u to tell me the exact steps because this is my first time with linux10:04
K`zanJoshooa: Except I have wincrap on the same drive.10:04
doomnxi*10:04
Joshooac0nv1ct: I guess that's what I'll do then. Every time I ask for advice in here I get different answers though10:04
doomnxi only installed the OS10:04
c0nv1ctJoshooa: its nice to have Windows as a fallback if you ever need it10:04
doomnxso if there any other files i need to download with that driver please let me know10:04
JoshooaK`zan: Yeah, I don't want to bother using the same drive, just Windows on the 40, and all the installation files Windows will use and Linux wont, and then Swap, Linux, and shared NTFS for Windows and Network usage on the 200GB10:04
vtigergnomefreak: DOH!10:05
vtigergnomefreak: figured it out10:05
c0nv1ctJoshooa: but installing Windows after Ubuntu is a bit more work, its easier if ya do it the other way around10:05
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NixHexdoomnx: I will, but I need to know what version you and installed architecture10:05
Joshooac0nv1ct: I like not having the windows Option though, cause then I HAVE to learn Linux, which I want to do, I don't want to go to Windows cause it's easier or anyything10:05
K`zanJoshooa: Good choice, I have it all on one drive and it is a worry point considering the times I have had wincrap go apeshit and eat the whole drive :-(.10:05
vtigergnomefreak: works peachy now. Thanks10:05
c0nv1ctJoshooa: just dont let yourself go into Windows unless you absolutely have to10:05
doomnxit's kubuntu 6.10 on Intel P4 3.2 (prescott) i386 i think10:06
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c0nv1ctJoshooa: try to do your every-day tasks in Linux, and use every possible Linux alternative to whatever you did in Windows10:06
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Joshooac0nv1ct: That's my plan, also you should congratulate me, I got that job today, I am now a Pet Store Stockboy, woo  hoo10:07
doomnxu can talk me in pm too10:07
K`zanJoshooa: Linux is an ongoing learning experience, but it IS worth the effort.  I have replaced everything but games with linux alternatives.  Well, also the AVR Studio stuff, but that is about it.10:07
doomnxi am registered10:08
c0nv1ctJoshooa: lol, gratz bud... if only i could find a job10:08
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ferret_0567Hello10:08
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reldruhi just created a new user on my system and sudo isn't working. I try and run something with it and just a new prompt, nothing happens. Does anybody know why that would be? It still works fine for my primary user10:08
c0nv1ctK`zan: same here man, the only thing keeping Windows installed is my Logitech G25 and TrackIR410:09
Joshooac0nv1ct: It was so easy, I checked Craigslist, sent a resume, and then in the interview, all she did was talk and talk and talk about the job, no questions really, SO easy10:09
Joshooac0nv1ct: The hardest part was leaving, cause I tried to walk out the entrance, and the door wouldn't open, and I felt like a total ass10:09
K`zanc0nv1ct: Heh, m$fs and trackir4 LOve track IR, just wish they would support linux.10:10
c0nv1ctJoshooa: for me, everything goes fine untill i have to fill out the part that says 'Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 10 years?'10:10
ferret_0567I am having problems with Kubuntu 6.10. I had Ubuntu 6.10 and figured I would try Kubuntu out so I installed 'kubuntu-desktop' minus the Kubuntu usplash plus a couple other programs I didn't need. I want something like network-manager-gnome for KDE. Is there anything like it?10:10
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reldruhferret_0567: the kde frontend for network-manager is knetwork-manager10:11
c0nv1ctK`zan: NaturalPoint said they would 'look into' Linux support, so whatever that means..10:11
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Joshooac0nv1ct: Heh heh heh, I'm okay on that, I got my felonies down to Gross Misdemeaners, but if they say, "Crime" not "Felony" I'm just like, Fuck10:11
ferret_0567oh, good. wlassistant sucks. I don't like it. wlassistant requires a root password (your password in Ubuntu).10:11
Joshooac0nv1ct: That and non personal references, I got like none10:12
ferret_0567And, it doesn't work well when network-manager is installed10:12
ferret_0567Thanks10:12
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reldruhferret_0567: wlassistant works much better for me than does network-manager, just as a warning10:12
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ferret_0567That's because you like static IP10:12
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ferret_0567That's because you like static IP's, no?10:12
doomnxNixHex thanks for ur time10:13
reldruhferret_0567: nope, my whole network is DCHP.10:13
reldruhDHCP*10:13
ferret_0567the network-manager daemon does not even support static IP's itself.10:13
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NixHexdoomnx: trying to get you the website with the download link and instructions10:13
doomnxthanks a lot10:13
iamsam9895The term "Pwnage" is too capitalistic.10:14
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iamsam9895We should go the commie way10:14
iamsam9895"YOUR ASS WILL BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED BASED ON NEED!"10:14
K`zanc0nv1ct: Yes, told me the same thing, but their methodology they are really paranoid about...  I need to see about getting another base for mine, cat accidentally broke one of the legs :-(.10:14
ferret_0567After I get that that knetwork-manager, could you help me with my printer? It worked in GNOME, but kde-print does not like the CUPS settings set up for it in GNOME. It's a Windows (SMB) Epson Stylus Photo 820.10:14
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ferret_0567I like QTCurve, btw.10:15
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ferret_0567You should all try it. Here for Kubuntu 6.10: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4092010:16
ferret_0567It was made using checkinstall, just as a warning.10:16
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raven3x7LMAO iamsam989510:16
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x-factor!kernel10:17
ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild10:17
ferret_0567Works fine for me. I installed it while I was using KTorrent and k3b in GNOME, and it works great still after installing the rest of KDE10:17
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ferret_0567One of the most compatible GTK-QT styles around10:18
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NixHexdoomnx: well found the list of packages you need, some are installed by default, but others are not: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/nvidia-glx10:19
K3ntoi am install jubuntu on a Pentium 3 laptop with 128 MB of ram, and the install window comes up, but there's nothing inside. is there anything i can do about this?10:19
doomnxone moment10:19
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thor_hello10:19
NixHexdoomnx: still looking for the download10:19
ferret_0567Get more RAM. :D10:19
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doomnxso i will have to download all of these10:20
ferret_0567Xubuntu is your boat.10:20
thor_you are ways10:20
doomnxare these the dependencies?10:20
reldruhI just created a new user and the sudo command doesn't seem to be working. It's fine for my primary user but when I try to run anything with sudo on my new user, all I get is a new prompt and nothing happens.10:20
nosrednaekimyou have to add your new user to group sudo10:20
K3ntonuts. im install xubuntu10:20
K3ntowrong chat :P10:20
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doomnxare these for both ubuntu and kubuntu?10:21
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reldruhnosrednaekim: thanks, I'll try that :-)10:21
doomnxand when i click to one of these red dotted names there appear more of these related files related to the new file... :S10:21
ronaldhola10:21
nosrednaekimcomo esta usted?10:21
nosrednaekimlol10:21
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excelsiorHi people. I'd like to transfer my ubuntu on another disk, I need some advices10:22
ronaldbien chevere10:22
ferret_0567Thanks for the 'knetworkmanager', reldruh10:22
reldruhferret_0567: no problem, is it working for you?10:22
ronaldsoy nuevo en esto10:22
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ronaldqyue cagada}10:22
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ferret_0567Haven't installed it yet10:22
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fenrigback10:23
nosrednaekimno hablo espano muy bien... estoy un alumno10:23
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ronaldok10:23
ronaldwhere are you from?10:23
nosrednaekimUS10:23
easytigerwhere are the default backgrounds for the kicker kept?10:23
ronaldi need your help!!10:23
ferret_0567knetworkmanager is installing...10:24
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reldruheasytiger: /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/kubuntu-panel.png10:24
ferret_0567Once I get everything working in KDE and I like it, then I'm going to remove GNOME10:24
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ronaldi have problem with Kubuntu, in installer a program}10:24
easytigerreldruh: cheers :)10:24
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easytigeralso.. anyone know how to get a frosted glass type effect on the pannel10:25
nosrednaekimeasy tiger...configure the panel10:25
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easytigernosrednaekim: and?10:26
excelsiorronald : can you be more precise ? which program ?10:26
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CShadowRunis there any way to disable [shift]  + backspace?10:27
tradakadhi 2 all from ukraine!10:27
ronaldi need install NetBeans for java applications and other program like PHP, MySQL and Apache10:27
nosrednaekimand enable transparency, then click advanced options10:28
CShadowRuni keep hitting shift + backspace and it takes me to the password screen (same background) but no place to enter my password10:28
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CShadowRunthen i have to restart x and login again10:28
easytigerronald: so just tell us the problem10:28
CShadowRuni keep doing it by accident, really annoying.10:28
tradakadI have some questions - where can I ask them?10:28
panathoshow about install ntfs-3g?10:28
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ronaldbut all moment this installer this fauler10:28
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NSCAD_Nathananyone know if there which package which contains libgnome.so specifcally?10:28
ronaldfail10:28
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excelsiorpanathos: it works perfectly for me10:28
easytigertradakad: dont ask to ask10:29
excelsiorronald : tell us exactly what is the error please10:29
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ronaldexcuse me, but really not idea the error10:30
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ronaldin spanish "REALMENTE ESE ES EL PROBLEMA "10:31
tradakadeasytiger, sorry. I just dont want to distrub anyone. I want to try kubuntu - now I use gentoo - how many files should I download and can I use sources from gentoo?10:31
excelsiorif installastion fails, you must have an error message or something !10:31
excelsior*installation10:31
CShadowRun!es10:31
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.10:31
easytigertradakad: you wont need to use the sources10:31
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CShadowRun[tradakad-> you can download the iso from www.ubuntu.com ?10:31
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easytigertradakad: k{u}buntu uses the apt package manager10:32
easytigerthe torrent s prob the fasted way to get it10:32
tradakadCShadowRun - no. but I wait for cd from SAR10:32
tradakadeasytiger - yes i know - but shoul i download these deb packages?10:33
CShadowRunis there any way to disable [shift]  + backspace?10:33
easytigertradakad: you dont need to10:33
tradakadi have about 4 Gb source - i dont want to download to much deb packages so I asked can i use some sources?10:33
easytigerapt-get automatically downloaded the package and the dependencies when you install them10:34
excelsiorronald: nobody can help you if you don't tell which error message you get, which command you were doing and stuff like that10:34
fenrigdo u guys know where i can get10:35
tradakadeasytiger - ok. but can I get a list from these packages and download them at work and after that install it at home?10:35
fenriga professional webhost for free who runs linux???10:35
excelsior(or maybe someone who can read in dregs)10:35
nosrednaekimyes, trakadad, you need to get the synaptic package manager10:35
nosrednaekimit'll make a download script10:35
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easytigertradakad: i'm not sure.. usualyl its advisable to have a net connection. but im sure there is a way10:36
easytigerahh.10:36
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nosrednaekimI have to do it all the time10:36
nosrednaekimdial up and all10:36
tradakadnosreadnaekim - what do you mean?10:36
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tradakadnosreadnaekim - aha. understand10:37
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jarleis there a #kde channel somewhere?10:37
easytigerthey have their own server10:37
chavojarle, yeah they hide it at #kde10:37
excelsiorWell, as I'm there I have a question. I want to transfer my kubuntu on a new hard drive. My actual hard drive got only one partition and I want to make 2 partitions for the new. Which size do you recommend me for the / partition ?10:38
tradakadnosreadnaekim - I have a dial at home and free Internet at work - i wnat to get the list at home , download tese files and take them to home, understand?10:38
nosrednaekimyeah...10:38
nosrednaekimthats wht I do10:38
jarlechavo: At freenode? I see that there is a server at irc.kde.org also...10:38
nosrednaekimhowever,do you have a form of UNIX at work?10:38
nosrednaekimbecuase the script needs wget10:38
chavoI believe it's an alias for freenode anyway10:39
tradakadnosreadnaekim - no. but i have a wgetunder win$ :)10:39
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tradakadnosreadnaekim - I meant - I have a windows version of Wget10:39
guidenphew. atlast my google account is gone.10:40
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tradakadguiden - it was stlen??10:40
nosrednaekimok... I'm not sure if you can do it... but you can try10:40
heinkel_111can someone remember what the apt command to remove a filed install is?10:40
tradakadnosreadnaekim - can you explane me?10:40
heinkel_111something with purge?10:41
guidenwhat's stlen? :)10:41
HymnToLifeheinkel_111, apt-get remove --purge packagename10:41
fydoguiden: just curious, why did you get rid of it?10:41
tradakadguiden - I meant your google account10:41
nosrednaekimexplain what?10:41
cpk1anyone know how I would do this: Bob is logged into his X session on tty7; Joe comes in and logs in on a Konsole on Bob's session and wants to run an X app through Bob's X screen10:42
tradakadnosreadnaekim - how does work your script and how can i use it?10:42
guidenBecausae I lost faith in that google are the good guys, everything you do with google, even if you aren't logged in, they keep track of everything you do. They log everything. And it's only a matter of time before government coprorate with google10:42
heinkel_111HymnToLife: thank you, but it appears my problem was worse than that :(10:43
guidenI want something that I ahve control over10:43
guidenhave10:43
heinkel_111the purge failed to fix the problem with the k3d failed install10:43
guidenseriously, I don't trust big companies10:43
nosrednaekimthe script is made by the synaptic package manager (ubuntu's, not Kubuntus)10:43
nosrednaekimthe problem is how to get synaptic though...10:43
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tradakadnosreadnaekim - so i must install synaptic before?10:44
chavocpk1, is Joe local?10:44
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nosrednaekimyes10:44
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cpk1chavo: yes this is all being done on tty710:44
jarleI have a mplayer.desktop file, where do I need to put it to make konqueror use mplayer for supported filetypes?10:44
maelcum_guiden: don't forget to block google's cookies, too.10:44
chavocpk1, xhost + Joe, or xhost + local should do it10:44
guidenIf you have gmail or used google, they have stored everything10:44
guidenhow do I do that?10:44
tradakadnosreadnaekim - ok. thx. so what should i do after that?10:45
kimmernHey! at the startup screen when kubuntu loads, it uses a hell of a lot time..i think it is "scanning all disks" at every startup..how can i disable that?10:45
chavocpk1, or try man xhost, I'm not exactly an expert on it10:45
chavoI usually just do xhost +10:45
guidenhow do I block myself from using google?10:45
cpk1chavo: ok, well at least I have somewhere to start now =D10:45
nosrednaekiminstead of getting all the packages("apply") go to file-> generate download script10:45
maelcum_guiden: konqueror setup, cookies, add ".google.com" and other relevant domains10:45
guidenok10:45
excelsioronyone can advice me a reasonable size for a root partition under kubuntu ? (huge hard drive)10:46
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nosrednaekimsynaptic(and its dependencies) isn't real big, dial up should be able to get it in anout 3 hours10:46
tradakadnosreadnaekim - aha. greate. understand :)10:46
chavoguiden, behind you!10:46
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tradakadnosreadnaekim - can I use synaptic in Kubuntu?10:47
guidenEven if you are not doing something illegal, I think it's totally wrong for log what people do. And all these cameras I see everywhere, damn it's like that orwell book10:47
chavotradakad, sure just apt-get install synaptic10:47
reldruhexcelsior: 20GB's? It really depends on what you're going to do with it. If you're going to be recording videos or something, make it huge. If you're giong to be doing word processing and not much else, 10GB's will probably be enough.10:47
BluesKajsynaptic works better than adeptin kubuntu10:47
maelcum_guiden: assuming you browse with konqueror, of course. oh, you are in the uk?10:47
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nosrednaekimtrakadad, yes its what I use10:47
guidennope10:48
chavoyeah I prefer synaptic too when I'm l need a gui10:48
pino12ciao a tutti10:48
excelsiorreldruh: I will make a /home partition (bigger)10:48
tradakadnosreadnaekim, chavo - ok. thx.10:48
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excelsiorthat's just for having an idea about softwares sizes and stuff10:48
panathospino12: english channel here (anch'io sono italiano)10:48
fydoguiden: you may be alarmed to find out that almost all websites log activity. you might as well quit the internets10:49
guidenpeople need to wake up and realise that their government is the enemy10:49
pino12thank you panathos10:49
BluesKajchavo, synaptic has the the fix broken pkg option which is great for new users10:49
tradakad2 all - tell me plz - whit versions of software are in last reale of kubuntu now? i mean kernel, kde, fcc e.t.c10:49
tradakad?10:49
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reldruhexcelsior: kubuntu really doesn't take up that much space. I don't know what the number is but it's definitely less than 5GB's. Somewhere around 2 sounds right, but I'm just guessing10:49
jememehey guys i have these speakers:  Creative Inspire P5800 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker when i plug them in and listen to music through them i only hear it comming out of the two front speakers and the sub the other two rear and center dont work, any ideas why sound is not comming out of them? i heard i had to do something special to get them to work?10:49
guidenfydo well not everyone cooporate with the government10:49
_martina conspiracy theory...?10:49
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fydoguiden: and google does?10:49
guidenno it's not a conspiracy theory10:49
guidenyou never know and never trust people in that kind of positions10:50
guidenleaders lie10:50
fydoheh10:50
guidenand lie10:50
_martinhow is it different then, abound, please10:50
chavoI've got a new edgy install for testing and it's 1.8 Gigs10:50
nosrednaekimtrakadad, depends on your version,are you using edgy?10:50
_martinlike the nomenklatura, or the special US circle that controls everything in the world10:50
guidenseriously, if people knew how much their politicans are lying the whole earth would explode in revolutions10:50
_martinnomenklatura, a former soviet institution10:50
tradakadnosreadnaekim - what is edgy?10:51
guidenpeople are loosing their freedoms for governmentts and coooporations10:51
doomnxguys when i try to shut down the system, it either freezes on shutdown or it appears an "out of range" monitor message, so i have to shutdown it from the button. what might be going wrong?10:51
guidengovernments are evil10:51
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fydoguiden: i still don't understand what that has to do with google10:51
chavoguiden, #kubuntu-offtopic please10:51
_martingoverments are THE evil10:51
guidenops :)10:51
tradakadnosreadnaekim - I mean what is the last version of kubuntu? and what kind ov soft are there? do you know?10:51
guidenjoin me in politics10:51
fydoguiden: google aren't gov't leaders or politicians10:51
guiden#politics10:51
guidenno10:51
guidenlet me explain10:51
chavo#tinfoilhat10:51
nosrednaekim!edgy10:52
ubotuUbuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes10:52
guidenthe more information they got about people the more power can they have on you. They gather all kinds of information, it's like a puzzle10:52
tradakadEdgy - is the new name of kubuntu/ubntu?10:52
guidengoogle is just one place10:52
nosrednaekimyes10:52
fydoguiden: define 'they'10:52
nosrednaekimits the version name10:52
BluesKajnomenklatura ...hmm similar to nomenclature ...meaning of terms10:52
_martinkubuntu is another "face" for ubuntu10:53
fydoguiden: you still haven't provided proof of google giving the gov't information10:53
chavotradakad, it's version 6.10 codename10:53
guidengovernments and the police, everyone in power10:53
_martinI just installed it, since I prefer KDE10:53
guidenno but they might do10:53
guidenyou never know10:53
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fydoguiden: uh huh, and a big rock might earth and we'll all die.10:53
guidendo you think  they seriously are going to tell that in public?10:53
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guidento the public10:53
guidenno10:53
fydoguiden: also, ninjas might come and kill you in your sleep10:53
guiden:)10:54
BluesKajbig brother!10:54
fydobetter hide in a cave10:54
fydooh wait10:54
fydothe cave might cave in10:54
fydoyou need to stop living in fear10:54
guidenwe don't got any freedom, we are always controlled and being brainwashed with the tv10:54
guidenpoeple have always fought for freedom10:54
BluesKajthe sky is falling ...someone call the Illuminati , they'll stop it :)10:54
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ozgurhi10:55
guidenand the scariest part is that that people don't realise it10:55
maelcum_well, i heard a lecture of a lawyer about what to do if the police searches your flat where he said that google is _very_ reluctant to give out information. they can be forced to do so in some countries, however.10:55
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guidenoh, well back to html/css stuff10:55
BluesKajwhat's scarier is that ppl like to beleive it10:55
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guidenseriously 9/11 was done by the government, just look at the pictures from pentagon and start digging from their. Pentagon, where is the plance?10:56
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Skrot!offtopic10:56
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!10:56
guidenjust look with objective eye if you got any10:56
BluesKajoh geez , more conspiracy theories .10:56
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guidenlol10:56
panathospls... there is a kubuntu repository for cinelerra?10:56
guidenthis is called brainwashing10:56
guidenseriously10:56
guidenI thought the way you did bluesKaj10:57
fydoguiden: i think you're in the wrong channel10:57
Skrotguiden: whatever, take it somewhere else10:57
guidensorry10:57
BluesKaj!cinelerra10:57
ubotucinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu10:57
guidenok, block google from konqueror.10:57
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BluesKajguiden, I USED to think the way you do10:58
_martinsupposedly, the Bush family belongs to that secret group of very powerful people in America10:58
_martinI just read a book about it10:58
guidenblueskaj10:58
guidencome to #politics10:58
nosrednaekimpls take this to another chat10:58
BluesKajyeah , who wrote the book10:58
_martinI cannot say it is false or true10:58
_martinan italo-american10:58
fydo_martin: cool, does Bush use kubuntu?10:59
_martinno, but the Jedi does10:59
nosrednaekimthe ethics are too high... sorry10:59
fydo_martin: then talk about Jedi. this is #kubuntu ;)10:59
_martinso, don't be afraid10:59
_martinI got it11:00
BluesKajthe skull n bones ...u=yeah we know all about it ...rich kid fraternity with all kinds eeeuuu scary stuff going ...bah humbug , just abunch of drunken college kids11:00
nosrednaekimand take it to another thread11:00
nosrednaekimor channel whatever11:00
_martinto ubuntu or not to kubuntu11:00
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_martinthat is the question11:00
BluesKajif you like kde ..kubuntu11:01
_martinsi, senor11:01
BluesKajgnome ...ubuntu11:01
_martinno, gracias11:01
fydoBluesKaj: but i am confused, what if one likes xfce? which distro should they choose?11:02
nosrednaekim Xubuntu11:02
fydonosrednaekim: thanks BluesKaj11:02
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SagaciousHey11:03
guidenBluesKaj, Think of this, people live inside a "bubble" which they can see and from their experinces and what they have learned, they form a way to "see" the world. This can get totally wrong if you only get your information from "controlled" sources. It's like the mainstream media is telling you their world story in their own way and predicts how a normal person would react on that.11:03
fydoSagacious: hey hey11:03
_martinI guess there are others, live cd's, for instance, that allow you to use it too11:03
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nosrednaekimyes....I think so...I don't know of any off hand though11:03
SagaciousI need some help with sound on kubuntu. It works for logon sounds, but doesn't work for music playback or game sounds11:03
_martinI used to have this kids version of (debian-based) knoppix11:03
tarnoldis kubuntu the only distro thathas a live cd?11:03
nosrednaekimno... most do11:03
_martinno, of course ot11:03
SagaciousI've fiddled with the mixer - but it doesn't wanna know.11:03
_martinnot11:03
_martinknoppix is supposed to rule11:04
coreymon77tarnold: most do, but knoppix started it11:04
tarnoldwhat is the diff between kubuntu and freeBSD, the computertech at my school mentioned FreeBSD.....11:04
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coreymon77_martin: personally, i like kubuntu11:04
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coreymon77tarnold: kubuntu is kubuntu and freeBSD is freeBSD11:05
BluesKajguiden, Im a 63 yr old geezer ,... been there, done that, conspiracy theory stuff...it's old hat to the likes of me.11:05
_martinI've tried knoppix (several flavors, like the robotics cd, the German version for gaming, morphix, among others11:05
coreymon77they are different11:05
tarnoldcoreymon77: how so?11:05
_martinI love kubuntu, amigo11:05
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fydotarnold: a keyboard is a keyboard11:05
coreymon77tarnold: freebsd is a little different from normal linux11:05
_martinthere is no good version, I guess, just the one you like or the one that suits you best11:06
SagaciousIs there any way to get kubuntu to update my sound card drivers?11:06
coreymon77tarnold: its linux based, but has its differences11:06
Simplex3Ok, I must be stuck on stupid again.  I can't get Eclipse to start on a fresh Edgy install even though I have sun-java packages installed.  The only difference between the two machines that I see is the new on is on Java 1.6.  Is there a simple cure?11:06
coreymon77tarnold: i dont know much about it11:06
tarnoldcoreymon77: ah k11:06
_martinI used to be a pure debian  fan, but I thought it too hard to handle for a newbie like me11:06
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coreymon77_martin: thats why kubuntu is great11:07
_martin"newbie", since I go by the cookbook approach11:07
_martinyeah11:07
tarnoldwhats the cookbook approach11:07
_martinhave you (all) used automatix11:07
_martin?11:07
iamsam9895A pinch of salt, duh11:07
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coreymon77_martin: but you are right, there is no perfect linux, everyone has there own opinions11:07
_martincookbook approach, you hardly have an idea of what you're doing11:07
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coreymon77_martin: do NOT use automatix!!!11:08
iamsam9895I call that the "Democratic" Approach11:08
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_martinbut you copy and paste into the root terminal11:08
_martinwhy?11:08
coreymon77!autmatix11:08
coreymon77!automatix11:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about autmatix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:08
_martinnot automatix11:08
ubotuautomatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe11:08
guidenblueskaj, but it's wrong of me and you to say that we hold the "absolute truth", conpsiracy theories aren't just popping out of nowwhere. They tend to be on to something.11:08
coreymon77thats why11:08
coreymon77it breaks systems11:09
_martinoh, I see11:09
BluesKajif you install automatix , make sure you have synaptic , so when automatix breaks pkges , you have synaptic to fix them11:09
_martinI won't then11:09
coreymon77_martin: consider yourself warned11:09
_martinthanks11:09
coreymon77_martin: if you want to continue using it, go ahead11:09
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coreymon77_martin: but you wont get any help here if it messes things up11:09
doomnxgoodnight guys11:09
doomnxand if anyone knows why kubuntu freezes on shutdown, plz let me know11:10
_martinDear demigods of linux, best way to learn how to use bash commands? disregard my Q if it's too lame, please11:10
BluesKajguiden , yeah so what can ppl do about it , awareness of the situation doesn't make it go away11:10
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excelsiorouch my god !11:10
excelsiormy kernel froze !11:10
coreymon77_martin: its called apt11:10
guidenblueskaj, that's what I like about computers and science, there is no bullshit :p11:11
BluesKaj!media-codecs11:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about media-codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:11
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BluesKaj!media11:11
ubotuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs11:11
_martinaptitude?11:11
coreymon77_martin: or that11:11
coreymon77_martin: eitherone works11:11
_martinapt-get install...?11:11
coreymon77_martin: sudo11:11
NixHex!codecs11:11
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:11
_martinI've installed lots of nice things on my system over time11:11
BluesKajsudo aptitude install 'pkg'11:11
tarnoldaptitude gets packages and installs thenm it also installs dependencies and removes them too] 11:11
_martinso, don't think I'm that way behind11:11
coreymon77_martin: i dont know why anyone would use automatix when we have apt, which does the same thing and doesnt break your computer11:12
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lupulhey there11:12
BluesKajcoreymon77, automatix is for ppl who can't be bothered to learn cli11:12
excelsioris there anyone using skype ?11:12
coreymon77_martin: and is supported11:12
_martinwell, in Spanish we would say "not knowing is worse than being blind"11:12
lupulneed some good firewall. anyone pls??11:12
excelsiorI think skype is responsible of my kernel freeze11:13
fyrmedicI am trying to compile an ndiswrapper package and keep getting an error about build packages. Any ideas/solutions11:13
fyrmedic?11:13
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BluesKajwell being blind to something is the same as not knowing , IMO :)11:13
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NixHexlupul: if you have router, don't necissarily need one...but theres firestarter and guarddog for UI config of iptables(which is installed by default)11:14
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NixHex!firewall | lupul11:14
ubotulupul: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).11:14
lupulok11:14
lupulbut i tried guarddog and i couldn't even kopete log in11:15
lupul*get kopete11:15
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_martinI love kopete11:15
DaSkreechI have an issue with subversion11:15
NixHexlupul: will guarddog you must first disable the firewall and then configure11:15
AMSmith42Any ideas as to why I might be getting a 403 Forbidden when I apt-get kubuntu-desktop on a new install of ubuntu-server?11:16
lupulok. but how do i configure it?11:16
NixHex!guarddog11:16
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).11:16
NixHexlupul: configure using protocol and advanced tab11:17
_martinwho has ever used (managed, at least to install) slackware?11:17
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lupulwell....  hope i'll manage it somehow11:17
lupulthanks11:17
_martinbsd is unix, not linux, right?11:17
nosrednaekim_martin...used ot for a good two years11:17
_martinhow was slack?11:17
nosrednaekimI don't kno how I lived without dependency checking11:18
NixHexlupul: just remember: advanced tab >> disable firewall >> apply >> re-enable >> protocol tab/selection >> apply11:18
_martinI've only used the non-gui, perhaps I was even dumber, zipslack for some time, to no avail11:18
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tarnoldmartin whats the difference between bsd and linux?11:18
nosrednaekimI still use it on an onld laptop11:18
BluesKaja form of unix , yes , _martin11:18
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BluesKajberkely calif developed BSD11:19
NixHexlupul: firestarter is generally easier, but I find firestarter annoying11:19
BluesKajU of11:19
_martinI mean, with 1/1000,000,000th of the know-how I now possess (still very little), what can you do with no gui11:19
cpk1where are X session settings stored?11:19
nosrednaekimeverything... but slackware thankfully has GUI11:19
_martinberkely people consider themselves superior (bsd) people11:19
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nosrednaekim"/etc/X11/xorg.conf11:20
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_martinjust look at their little devil raping tux, a popular sight on their sites11:20
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Simplex3I love FreeBSD on servers, for what it's worth.  Wouldn't use it on a desktop.11:20
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NixHex_martin: they did manage to make a very secure system though11:20
NixHexand stable11:20
cpk1no thats the X server11:20
tarnoldim totally confused now11:20
cpk1I need the user defined X sessions11:20
shadow864hi all11:21
nosrednaekimexpound11:21
_martincomputing is in the stone age in my country (the Dominican Republic)11:21
lupulthis guarddog is killing me11:21
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lupulok. so how do i let kopete get through?11:21
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_martinbut I won't say why, it's also about politics...11:21
tarnold_martin: so whats teh diff between freebsd and unix and all this stuff11:22
nosrednaekimtheir liscence mostly IMHO11:22
_martincorrupt government sponsoring MS11:22
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_martinplease, ask someone else, I barely know11:22
NixHexlupul: lol for kopete: in protocol tab >> chat >> "service"...............both internet and local zones need to be activated11:22
tarnoldoh11:22
tarnoldk11:22
_martinall I know they both stem from unix11:23
BluesKajask ppl in the bsd channel11:23
_martinbut they went different ways, like half brothers11:23
tarnolddoes anyone else know the difference between FreeBSD and kubuntu and what not11:23
_martincorrect me if I'm wrong11:23
tarnoldwhere is the bsd channel?11:23
BluesKajfreeBSD is not Linux , that's all I can tell you11:23
_martinI wouldn't try bsd until I have masterd linux11:23
BluesKaj#bsd11:23
tarnoldthen what is it?11:23
tarnoldk11:24
hattabsd isn't any harder than linux11:24
_martinthey call themselve elite linux users, they seem to despise us mortals11:24
hattain some ways it's easier11:24
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_martinwhatever11:24
thoreauputictarnold: the BSDs are Unix11:24
hattathe freebsd handbook is really really nice11:24
BluesKajhatta , it's not an easy OS to install11:24
thoreauputictarnold: more or less11:24
NixHextarnold: BSD is for the more for advanced users11:24
hattaI never had a problem installing freebsd11:24
Simplex3tarnold: On EfNet, #freebsdhelp.11:24
_martinyeah, tell me that, I almost ruined my pc trying to install bsd11:25
scribzopenbsd is very nice11:25
hattait's not any harder than plain debian11:25
_martinnetintall though11:25
tarnoldwhats ef net?11:25
NixHexBSD is a pain to install11:25
BluesKajwell bully for you hatta , but other ppl do ...so do you want a badge or somethinG :)11:25
Simplex3Don't go BSD unless you know what you're doing and what hardware you have and if it's supported.  :)11:25
_martinguess they do it on purpose, since they boast about their superiority11:25
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thoreauputictarnold: if you don't know the difference between Linux and the BSDs - stay with Linux for the moment :)11:26
BluesKajthere is a live cd Freesbie 211:26
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hattaif you're curious about freebsd, install it11:26
hattait's free11:26
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Lynourehmmph11:26
Simplex3thoreauputic: Good advice.  :)  The BSD guys are a little less forgiving.11:26
hattajust don't ask us for help11:26
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tarnoldpl11:26
tarnoldok11:26
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Simplex3FYI, Eclipse seems to require any Mozilla app to be installed.11:27
thoreauputicanyway, strictly speaking BSD is off-topic here I guess11:27
LynoureI guess this channel has a huge shortage of kubuntu questions11:27
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BluesKajyeah , try asking for help there ..."yer too dumb ..we know it all ,go away" ...that was my impression of their help chat11:28
BluesKajBSD , that is11:28
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Simplex3BluesKaj: If you have something specific that isn't clearly in the user's guide, they're helpful.  If you don't do your own research first they're vicious.11:28
LynoureHow does one increase the cache size for streams in Amarok?11:28
hattathere's nothing wrong with expecting people to help themselves first11:29
hattahttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html11:29
hattamore people need to read that11:29
Lynoure(Yes, I did my research on this, but did not find anything)11:29
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lupulsorry. it just doesn't connect11:29
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hattaoh not referring to you Lynoure11:29
nosrednaekimlynoure, go over to the amarok channel11:30
tarnoldhatta: what is?11:30
hattawhat is what?11:30
tarnoldthe link11:30
BluesKajSimplex3, ya know what, i don't think bsd is so wonderful...I had it installed about 2 yrs ago after a lot of help , but it don't do much for me.11:30
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NixHexlupul: just use firestarter if you having so many problems11:30
hattatarnold, if you want to know, click it11:31
BluesKajdinnertime , BBL11:31
lupulok11:31
Lynourenosrednaekim: Amarok is in Kubuntu. They usually tell me to upgrade to a version that does not exist for dapper11:31
lupulill try it11:31
lupulthanks11:31
Simplex3BluesKaj: I was forced to use it for about a year and a half.  By the end of that you couldn't pry it from my cold, dead hands on my servers.11:31
NixHexlupul: or follow the guarddog handbook: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/manual2/11:31
Simplex3When done right a FreeBSD server is very, very easy to maintain.11:31
nosrednaekimLynoure: maybe your version doesn't support it11:31
tarnoldso wait, is Freebsd strictly a server?11:32
Simplex3tarnold: No.11:32
nosrednaekimno.... but thats what it is (at present) best for11:32
tarnoldor a desktop, like kubuntu, is or can be? idk what the correct term is11:32
Simplex3FreeBSD is seriously lacking in drivers for the cool, new hardware, ACPI, etc.11:32
nosrednaekimand to confuse you even more.... MAC OS is built on BSD11:32
Lynourenosrednaekim: My version? You mean the one in Dapper?11:32
nosrednaekimyes11:32
Simplex3Mac OSX is on FreeBSD 3.?11:32
tarnoldgah this is so confusing11:32
Simplex3(IIRC)11:32
Simplex3lol11:33
nosrednaekimyes... MAC OS is built on BSD(of some sort)11:33
nosrednaekimOS X that is11:33
Lynourenosrednaekim: If you know how to do it in any version, I'd be grateful to hear.11:33
Simplex3tarnold: There's Windows, and then there's a big mixing bowl that everything else lives in.11:33
tarnoldok see i still have windows, ive mostly moved to kubuntu(but im not doign anything with windows it will just stay there) but the tech guy at school mentioned Freebsd as what he used several years ago...and now im trying to compare....gah this annoying, and im only tyring to find info to compare the two11:34
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Simplex3tarnold: If you want to run a desktop computer FreeBSD can, but it sucks at it.  Kubuntu is the clear choice.  I have years of FreeBSD experience and would not run it on my desktop.  I run Kubunut.11:35
coreymon77tarnold: freebsd is much more of a server distro11:36
coreymon77tarnold: kubuntu is way more of a desktop distro11:36
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mordred__Lynoure: try /.kde/share/apps/amarok/your engine-config, seems to have stream related stuff11:37
iamsam9895Could somebody help me get firefox onto kubuntu?11:38
Lynouremordred__: I'm looking at that right away and eyeing #engine.buffers.audio_num_buffers:23011:38
thoreauputiciamsam9895: sudo aptitude install firefox ?11:38
tarnoldok thanks so ill stick with kubuntu11:38
mordred__^^11:38
Simplex3tarnold: Now, if you want to run an Apache server live on the web, FreeBSD rules.  Most of the servers on Netcraft's top uptimes list are BSD.11:38
_martinbye folks, my kid wants the penguin, she says11:38
nosrednaekimhaha11:38
tarnoldnah just a simple desktop highyschool noob for me11:38
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Simplex3noob + FreeBSD = tears.11:39
iamsam9895Wow, thatnks thoreauputic11:39
LynoureSimplex3: You can update bsd kernel without any downtime? Or just less need to upgrade it?11:39
iamsam9895Simplex3, I know what you mean11:39
iamsam9895I tried FreeBSD and almost died.11:39
thoreauputic!docs | iamsam989511:39
ubotuiamsam9895: documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com11:39
thoreauputiciamsam9895: ")11:39
tarnoldi was/am atracked to kubuntu cos it seemed easy11:39
nosrednaekimit is easy...11:39
Simplex3Lynoure: I've always rebooted and I believe you need to.11:39
Simplex3You just never need to.11:40
tarnoldand now im liking it more then windows11:40
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tarnoldthe knotes is great if i have ot make a reminder11:40
nosrednaekimtarnold: great... as long you aren't a gamer11:40
nosrednaekimLinux can do anything, except games11:40
tarnoldamarok is ace...and open office is cool, but ive only used writer-- well and this is the thing, i was till i got my console11:40
Simplex3Hey now.  I run UT.11:40
Simplex3:)11:40
fignewevery game I've ever wanted to play works11:41
nosrednaekimok ok...I regress11:41
tarnoldhey i got my xbox 360 with gears of war!!11:41
xenaliseSimplex3: UT 99? :)11:41
tarnoldohh burn11:41
Lynourefignew: that can mean a whole range of things :)11:41
nosrednaekimI didn't try anything... everything orks11:41
xenalisenosrednaekim: It can run a few games11:41
nosrednaekim;)11:41
Simplex3xenalise: I can assure you it was one of the first versions.11:41
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xenaliseI run Deus Ex, Star Wars Knight of the Old Republic, Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast, UT99 and UT2004 on my kubuntu lappy :)11:42
xenaliseSimplex3: UT99 was the first version :)11:42
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xenaliseI have UT GOTY :D11:42
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iamsam9895brb11:43
nosrednaekimok ok.... but ya'll know what I mean(anout games)11:43
Simplex3Yeah.11:44
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ferret_0567How do I make Konqueror faster for web browsing and change this behavior for Kopete's IRC Plugin?:11:44
ferret_056716:42:54)  #  blue is now Away.11:44
ferret_0567(16:42:54)  #  acetoxy is now Away.11:44
ferret_056716:42:54)  #  crimsun is now Away.11:44
ferret_0567That Kopete behavior happens when I join an RIC Channel11:44
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ferret_0567RIC = IRC. sorry11:44
ferret_0567brb11:44
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tarnoldif i use yahoo for email can i use thunderbird11:46
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Malphdoes jedi acadamy use wine or is it native?11:47
nosrednaekimI'm not sure, can you configure yahoo to do pop forwarding?11:47
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nosrednaekimdoes anyone else here have beryl running on Kubuntu?11:50
Malphnot at the moment that is my project for tonight however I was running it on gentoo11:51
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nosrednaekimMalph: its pretty easy11:51
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nosrednaekimeasier if you have an Nvidia card11:52
Malphnosrednaekim: figured it was a snap in gentoo I don't see ubuntu being any more difficult11:52
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nosrednaekimas long as you don't have an ATI...11:52
nosrednaekimbut what I find amazing about beryl is the amount of resources it uses11:53
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MalphI don't really see any performance hit but my sytem is still fairly new11:54
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nosrednaekimwe installed it on a 3 year old laptop with integrated Intels graphics... runs like a charm11:54
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nosrednaekimand i835 video chipset11:55
nosrednaekim*an11:55
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Malphnice11:55
NixHexOO 2.2 is pretty nice11:55
nosrednaekimVista would be a Joke on it11:56
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nosrednaekim2.2? I don't think tat was released yet11:56
nosrednaekim!OpenOffice11:56
ubotua free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org11:56
NixHexit is if you are using feisty11:56
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nosrednaekimare you sure you don't mean 2.1?11:56
MalphI read a couple days ago on digg about changing a few settings in the general panel like turning off vsync and upping the screen refresh rate that smooths out the animations11:56
NixHexno its 2.211:57
nosrednaekimok...11:57
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easytigerwhats the gnome version of ktorrent?11:57
NixHexGet:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main openoffice.org-style-crystal 2.2.0~rc3~oof680m10-0ubuntu3 [3993kB] 11:57
nosrednaekimoh... its a release canidate11:57
NixHexyes...everything is a "release canidate" in feisty right now11:58
nosrednaekimoh....11:58
flaccidhi guys anybody using a program to enable multimedia keys on a logitech keyboard?11:58
flaccid!logitech11:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:58
NixHexwell except kde...unless you go for the 3.80.X11:58
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nosrednaekim!klineak11:58
Malph!asterisk11:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about klineak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:59
xenalise!shotmeplz11:59
ubotuasterisk: Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.12.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 400 kB11:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about shotmeplz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:59
xenalise*shoot11:59
xenalise:D11:59
provolikWhich ports Do I have to open on my router for an amsn webcam?11:59
nosrednaekimummm try "klineakd" for hotkeys11:59
NixHexprovolik: if MSN works, then webcam work since they use same port11:59
provolikoh12:00
provolikmy webcam does not work then :(12:00
NixHexprovolik: unless they decided to change something since last I used it...which was just the other day before I unistalled it12:00
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NixHexprovolik: if you use guarddog or firestarter..they might be blocking the webcam12:03
provolikok12:03
provolikthanks12:03
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SagaciousAnyone know where I can get a Windows Vista pack for KDE, if one exists? :P12:04
Malphis there a group working on ubuntu for intel based macs?12:04
NixHexthats devil worship talk sagacious!! HERACY!12:04
SagaciousYou're lucky to see me installing kubuntu or any Linux distro :P12:05
NixHexSagacious: but I do think there is a vista theme on www.kde-look.org12:05
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Malphinstall the beryl windows manager12:06
Schuenemannhey, is there any way I can adjust subtitles in kaffeine?12:06
nosrednaekimor use the crystal-vista window decoration them12:06
nosrednaekim*theme12:06
NixHexberyl really only works in xorg 7.2...so make sure you have that12:06
Gizmo48fffff12:06
nosrednaekimi'm running 7.112:06
nosrednaekimberyl works fine12:06
SagaciousSo, where's crystal-vista when it's at home lol12:07
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Gizmo48Anyone know how to remove a HPLIP installation WITHOUT using apt, etc...?12:07
thoreauputic!language | Sagacious12:07
ubotuSagacious: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.12:07
thoreauputic;p12:07
nosrednaekimI LOVE that bot12:08
eagles0513875same12:08
NixHexnosrednaekim: it may work in 7.1...but the article I read about it said 7.212:08
MalphSagacious: I would look at kde-look.org12:08
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Schuenemannhey, is there any way I can adjust subtitles in kaffeine?12:08
nosrednaekimNixHex, i'm using Xgl... so I guess it wouldn't matter what version of Xserver12:08
ferret_0567Do you all know that in Edgy, if you close the lid of a laptop, ATI or NVIDIA, X.Org will crash, regardless of KDE, GNOME, or XFCE being used? it's a known bug12:09
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NixHexnosrednaekim: yeah that does make a difference...but I don't care about beryl...don't have any use for it12:09
cpk1ferret_0567: you probably have it set to hibernate or some such when the lid is closed12:09
fdovingferret_0567: closed source drivers suck.12:09
reldruhferret_0567: not true. Just closing the lid isn't enough to do that; I do it all the time12:09
ferret_0567I hate it so much! There is a unofficial fix.12:09
nosrednaekimferret: doesn';t happen to me...12:09
thoreauputicferret_0567: um, that's hardware-apecific I would say12:09
NixHexSagacious: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3949812:09
cpk1I havent had any problems with my laptop12:10
ferret_0567Are you using Edgy?12:10
Gizmo48they don't call it "edgy" for nothin':O12:10
eagles0513875i hate ati12:10
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ferret_0567I use NVIDIA with the propriatary module12:10
eagles0513875cant with my laptop12:10
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NixHexSagacious: thats one of the several available12:10
Guest681hello12:11
nosrednaekimeagles, ATI works for me12:11
SagaciousHow are they installed....download and...12:11
Guest681anyone plays oblivion on kubuntu?12:11
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ferret_0567kde-guidance-powermanager is set not to do anything when the lid is closed. brb, I'm going to close the lid, X.Org might crash12:11
NixHexSagacious: use kcontrol >> appearance >> themes12:11
SagaciousOk thanks12:11
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NixHexSagacious: atleast for the one I provided a link for12:11
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Guest681anyone here play oblivion?12:12
goblinhello, i've installed ubuntu(gnome) the first time to try it out and i must say..... i love linux..........12:12
nosrednaekimthats like asking "anyone here have a Nvidia 8800"12:13
Eagle_101goblin: yes and :D12:13
goblinyeah i12:13
NixHexI have interesting setup....freeBSD icon theme, vista buttons, and crystal windows (see through)12:13
Eagle_101is it that you want to try kubuntu?12:13
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goblinso i'm trying to get the drivers for my graphic card and stuff like that^12:13
BluesKajNixHex, into eye candy eh?12:13
Balsamic_Chickentest12:14
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