[12:14] <adam_> gaim and kopete are better
[12:14] <tarnold> what is amsn?
[12:14] <adam_> another im program
[12:15] <tarnold> oh
[12:16] <Moltov> So, anyone wana help me get this usb pci card to work?...
[12:16] <adam_> http://jserv.sayya.org/misc/amsn-i18n-xft.png
[12:16] <adam_> oops
[12:17] <Moltov> Didnt think so.
[12:20] <guiden_> does the "TAB" key work like in the console in the "Run Comman" applet in the menu?
[12:20] <guiden_> I mean
[12:21] <raven3x7>   i need help with a networking problem. im trying to open a certain port range but i cant get it to work. i've used both a direct iptables command and firestarter, but nmapfe still tells me the port is closed(6891), while iptables -L lists it as forwarded. i tried restarting iptables but that didnt work either
[12:22] <ODC> Okay I'm trying to get my nvidia card drivers installed.  I'm a newb to this environment.  I've downloaded it and when I type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run" it starts doing something but then says "nvidia-installer must be run as root"
[12:22] <eagles0513875> that means u sudo and then type the command that u performed
[12:22] <ODC> oh okay, thanks
[12:27] <adam_> amorok does the same thing wmp does - i click quit without stopping and it plays the music for like 20 secs after
[12:27] <dasickis> has anyone successfully installed beryl on feisty?
[12:27] <dasickis> i keep getting a theme 1024x768 not found error
[12:28] <Ghost75> is automatix available thru adept? the automatix site itself seems down
[12:28] <mzanfardino> what is the command used to launch a gui app with su privileges?
[12:28] <LjL> !automatix | Ghost75
[12:28] <ubotu> Ghost75: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:28] <LjL> mzanfardino: kdesu
[12:28] <mzanfardino> LjL: thanks
[12:29] <Ghost75> ok, mainly wanted automatix for codex install and java runtime, will try to tackle them as individual beasts then
[12:29] <LjL> !codecs
[12:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:29] <LjL> !java
[12:30] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[12:30] <KanRiNiN> dasickis: I run it w/o problem on Feisty
[12:30] <adam_> night kids
[12:31] <butters> so i just did a apt-get upgrade, and now my desktop won't start up anymore. it says bogl_init failed: setting screen size: cannot allocate memory.. can anyone help?
[12:38] <shahid> #mepis
[12:38] <BluesKaj> shahid, mepis is not an ubuntu distro
[12:40] <DexterF> heck, I haven't done this in ages... if I smbclient -L a server and get session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE, what was wrong again? do I need to run smbpasswd on the client?
[12:42] <eagles0513875> is there a way i can check what port r open
[12:42] <DexterF> nmap
[12:43] <eagles0513875> nmaps is the command
[12:43] <DexterF> yup
[12:43] <eagles0513875> whats the name of the pkg
[12:43] <eagles0513875> nm
[12:43] <DexterF> dunno. adept for the win.
[12:44] <eagles0513875> i got it pkg name is nmap
[12:44] <eagles0513875> how do i read it
[12:44] <eagles0513875> nmap and then what other command
[12:45] <DexterF> man nmap
[12:45] <stergio> hi i got this AES encrypted partition "/dev/hda7 /media/Mo xfs encryption=AES256,encrypted,grpquota,usrquota 0 0" <<< fstab from an old Mandriva system that i want to mount ... i googled and found i had to install loop-aes-utils additional. So far so good .. now on mount it tells me Error: Password must be at least 20 characters.
[12:45] <DexterF> or try the frontend: nmapfe
[12:46] <stergio> how can i avoid the 20 character check cause it got about 15 characters passphrase when it was created
[12:46] <eagles0513875> whats a good tcp port for downloading bit torrents
[12:46] <dystopianray> how do I turn off automounting in kubuntu?
[12:47] <DexterF> eagles0513875: any above 1024. try something like 29999 or sumsuch
[12:49] <eagles0513875> thing is all other ports r firewalled
[12:49] <eagles0513875> only ones open r 25 80 587 631
[12:49] <eagles0513875> at least from what i can tell
[12:52] <fatlip> okay how do i go about doing midi playback in (k)ubuntu? .. i'm trying to use kmid and i get the error "Could not open /dev/sequencer"
[12:52] <stergio> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_MIDI_sound_server_.28Timidity.2B.2B.29
[12:53] <stergio> fatlip: ^^^
[12:53] <lovloss> whats a good open source unerase program?
[12:53] <fatlip> ooo nice thanks
[12:54] <fatlip> i did check that wiki but i didnt find anything, weird.. i'll check out that link
[12:56] <DexterF_> !xvid
[12:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:56] <Ghost75> anyone know what to do about this? i try to open adept and get this : APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.
[12:56] <DexterF_> what, is xvid a restricted format..?
[12:57] <DexterF_> Ghost75: probably somehow the apt database went fubar. there's a way to recreate it, but don't ask me, im all tarballs ;)
[12:58] <Ghost75> hmm
[01:00] <DexterF_> it was an apt option iirc
[01:01] <Ghost75> i tried apt-setup and also apt-get update
[01:01] <Ghost75> neither worked
[01:03] <Ghost75> am i gonna have to install kubuntu yet again?
[01:05] <eagles0513875> is there anyway i can hack this wifi router and open up ports
[01:06] <eagles0513875> even though its in a place where i used to work not many people know how to set this stuff up i was the one who did it any programs that could help me
[01:06] <ODC> okay, so I have to edit xorg.conf to install the nVidia driver, when I make the edit is says i don't have access to save it
[01:06] <ODC> I'm trying to edit it in Kate
[01:06] <eagles0513875> downloads emacs
[01:07] <DexterF> what would be an appropriate package to get am XviD codec?
[01:07] <eagles0513875> type sudo first then kate then the location of the file u want to edit
[01:07] <ODC> oh okay
[01:08] <Ghost75> anyone know what to do about this? i try to open adept and get this : APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.
[01:08] <eagles0513875> did it work odc
[01:10] <eagles0513875> how do i open up more ports
[01:10] <eagles0513875> on a wireless router
[01:11] <DexterF> Ghost75: have a look at the apt-get or aptitude manpage, i think fixing the db is mentioned there
[01:12] <DexterF> google should turn sth up, too
[01:12] <eagles0513875> dex do u know how i can get into the router without knowing usr name and pass and opening up more ports
[01:15] <Ghost75> one of these days i'll find an OS that just works
[01:16] <eagles0513875> ghost dont give up on kubuntu
[01:16] <eagles0513875> is this ur first time using linux
[01:16] <compilerwriter> I installed fluxbox on my machine to have a lower overhead workspace for when I am remotely logging in via XDCP.  The problem is, when I fired up a fluxbox session, all I got was four desktops.  None of the machines programs were in any menu anywhere.
[01:16] <DexterF> Ghost75: there is: OSX. get a mac.
[01:16] <Ghost75> i've been trying to get kubuntu working for about 6 months now
[01:16] <DexterF> far too long. ditch linux. get a mac. really.
[01:17] <DexterF> i'll do as soon as I can spare the cash.
[01:17] <Ghost75> and Dexter, i am anxiously awaiting Leopard's release, will be switching to mac then
[01:17] <compilerwriter> You must be trying to do something esoteric then ghost. I got it up and running right from the install.
[01:17] <Ghost75> compilerwriter: i did too
[01:18] <Ghost75> but then trying to get something working beyond the default install fubars it
[01:18] <HaSH> compilerwriter, fluxbox-generate_menu try that :-)
[01:18] <DexterF> good decision. a friend just switched from win xp to mac, he's a classic dork user, know jack about computers. haqppiest person in the world now. and console cowboys goit their consoles as well with bsd under it.
[01:18] <DexterF> scuse my typing :)
[01:18] <DexterF> eagles0513875: the router? what?
[01:18] <HaSH> hm wait im not sure kubuntu has that ......
[01:18] <eagles0513875> want to open up some ports but i dont know the user name or password to log in
[01:18] <eagles0513875> to the router
[01:19] <HaSH> what kinda routeer
[01:19] <DexterF> well, talk to whoever administrates the router
[01:19] <eagles0513875> its a linksys
[01:19] <eagles0513875> dont remember what exactly
[01:19] <fizzbane> I edited Grub's menu to look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9172/ to add my windows to it. I get Error1: Filename must either be an aboslute pathname or blocklist. Any suggestions?
[01:19] <DexterF> i won't help you crack someone's router, dude :)
[01:19] <eagles0513875> lol
[01:19] <eagles0513875> its a place i used to work
[01:20] <eagles0513875> i set it up
[01:20] <eagles0513875> nobody round here knows bout comps
[01:20] <eagles0513875> im the comp guru round here
[01:20] <DexterF> apparently now even you else you'd have secures access to that crate somehow
[01:20] <DexterF> cant help. reset to factory defaults.
[01:20] <DexterF> and don't get caught leeching warez from a company line
[01:20] <eagles0513875> everything is at defaults i never changed anything
[01:21] <eagles0513875> i dont know what ports r open
[01:21] <eagles0513875> cuz on azeureus it still says dht is firewalled
[01:21] <eilker> i had some options to unrar to unzip files, when i do right click, now i lost them, how can i get it again ?
[01:21] <DexterF> you left that linksys at the default user/pass and can't google for those yourself..?
[01:21] <eagles0513875> user and pass i changed
[01:21] <eagles0513875> lol sry didnt get what u mean i changed those for security sake
[01:22] <DexterF> well, reset the box and restore the settings.
[01:22] <DexterF> then store admin/pass somewhere safe.
[01:22] <eagles0513875> its ok ill live with what i got
[01:22] <DexterF> that is *not on a paper under the keyboard* :D
[01:22] <eagles0513875> i know
[01:23] <DexterF> jeez this is like the 4th time or so I install kub i still don't like it. all I want is watch a xvid file, that's not too much asked for one would think...
[01:23] <eagles0513875> do u know much about wine dex
[01:23] <Ghost75> i get this when i try the -f switch to fix adept Type 'deb' is not known on line 35 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <eagles0513875> did u download that xvid pkg
[01:24] <DexterF> eagles0513875: i prefer dry white ones, but occasionally i go for french red as well. dpeends.
[01:24] <eagles0513875> lol im talking bout the emulator btw
[01:24] <eagles0513875> try the gstreamer xvid pkg in adept manager
[01:24] <DexterF> no sh!t? ;D
[01:25] <DexterF> i forgot to add multiverse. as usual.
[01:25] <eagles0513875> u figureded it out
[01:25] <DexterF> would be nice if kub asked during install "you want it all? exploding and insulting the fbi and so on? check here."
[01:26] <DexterF> well, about wine: I use it, so...
[01:27] <eagles0513875> dex u know of any good linux point of sales software
[01:27] <eagles0513875> dex or anybody know of any good linux point of sales software
[01:28] <virus_> #ubuntu
[01:28] <virus_> please
[01:28] <eagles0513875> ?
[01:28] <eilker> i had some options to unrar to unzip files, when i do right click, now i lost them, how can i get it again ?
[01:28] <virus_> i dont speak english
[01:29] <virus_> j en veu un salon ubuntu en francais
[01:29] <DexterF> wow. 100% contradiction in three words.
[01:30] <eagles0513875> dex point of sale software anyidea whats good
[01:30] <DexterF> eagles0513875: you mean like a online shop soft?
[01:30] <eagles0513875> retail
[01:30] <klaus_> hey guys, first time on IRC
[01:30] <DexterF> you need to work on your patience
[01:30] <DexterF> nope
[01:30] <eagles0513875> this is for a grocery store and i would like a linux based one
[01:31] <eagles0513875> damn any good places to look
[01:31] <DexterF> google? :)
[01:31] <klaus_> Synaptic Package Manager
[01:31] <klaus_> lol
[01:33] <eagles0513875> lol tried they have crap ill try sourceforge
[01:38] <eagles0513875> not online shop soft
[01:38] <eagles0513875> u know when u go to kroger the software that business like that use
[01:38] <jeffalves> Hi.
[01:39] <Krishean> hey, anyone know a way to torture-test my machine to check for problems with the hardware?
[01:39] <Krishean> possibly a program or suite to do it
[01:40] <jeffalves> I can't seem to get Kubuntu Edgy Eft's Amarok to play last.fm streams. Amarok complains about not having a suitable plugin.
[01:40] <DexterF> to any of the devs: if i have Adept running over a fwd'ed X I can start another locally and it won't check locks
[01:40] <eagles0513875> how do i compile source from tgz arkives
[01:40] <DexterF> eagles0513875: i dont have a clue what kroger is
[01:41] <eagles0513875> grocery store
[01:41] <eagles0513875> dex can i pm
[01:41] <DexterF> no
[01:41] <eagles0513875> dex how do i compile source from tgz arkives
[01:41] <Joshooa> How come when I play some mp3s, or some oggs, the sound is all scrambled and stuff like bad Techno?
[01:42] <BluesKaj> jeffalves, i had the same prob, most streams aren't working ...suggest you install streamtuner
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !stremtuner
[01:42] <BluesKaj> oops
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stremtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <jeffalves> BluesKaj: but... i like amarok :(
[01:42] <BluesKaj>  !streamtuner
[01:42] <ubotu> streamtuner: A GUI audio stream directory browser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.99-9ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 606 kB, installed size 2160 kB
[01:43] <BluesKaj> you can configure streamtuner to use amarok, jeffalves
[01:43] <ddwagnz> ok
[01:43] <ddwagnz> right
[01:43] <ddwagnz> so uhh
[01:43] <jeffalves> BluesKaj: Okay, thank you.
[01:43] <BluesKaj> there's no real advantage to using amarok tho
[01:44] <BluesKaj> xmms is a worthy player too
[01:44] <jeffalves> No, it's code base is horrible and, at least in my experiences, it crashes a lot.
[01:45] <jeffalves> XMMS2 is worthy, but not being actively updated as fars as I know.
[01:45] <jeffalves> as far as*
[01:45] <ddwagnz> i have a NTFS partition, Live CD of 6.06LTS - Kubuntu, and want to get read/write access, without using the ntfs3g thing, i can get read access via umask, but i dont know how to get right access from unmask
[01:45] <Joshooa> How should I go about figuring out why some of my songs don't play right?
[01:45] <DexterF> eagles0513875: you need the deb-src tools or whatever their name is. look for kubuntu wikis or so. i don't really know about src in kub, i use slackware. im here by coincidence
[01:45] <DexterF> and now off
[01:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[01:46] <eagles0513875> anyone know how to compile stuff from source tgz files
[01:46] <DexterF> BluesKaj, jeffalves : Beep Media Player
[01:46] <BluesKaj> hmm well, my experience is exactly the opposite ...amarok crashes or freezes much more than xmms does
[01:47] <eagles0513875> !source
[01:47] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[01:47] <eagles0513875> !compiling source
[01:47] <ddwagnz> !unmask
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmask - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <Joshooa> !makefile
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about makefile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <ddwagnz> !umask
[01:47] <Joshooa> psh
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <Joshooa> !compile
[01:47] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:47] <dsmith> whats wrong with amarok?
[01:47] <eagles0513875> i love amarok
[01:48] <dsmith> i hav eyet to have any single issue with it
[01:48] <dsmith> it just works
[01:48] <dsmith> better then winamp ever did
[01:48] <eagles0513875> dsmith u know how to compile stuff from source tgz arkives
[01:48] <dsmith> i have done it once or twice before
[01:48] <ddwagnz> !sudocopy
[01:48] <dsmith> but I dont have my notes in front of me
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudocopy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:48] <ddwagnz> !sudo_copy
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudo_copy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <eagles0513875> what command do i use d
[01:49] <ddwagnz> shit
[01:49] <ddwagnz> wahts the command to copy things on sudo?
[01:49] <dsmith> look on google
[01:49] <dsmith> :)
[01:49] <ddwagnz> =/
[01:50] <dsmith> seriously I have learned alot from reading with google searches
[01:51] <ddwagnz> yeah well google can be a bitch sometimes ^_^
[01:51] <BluesKaj> dsmith, agreed but there's alotta chaff that has relavence on google results , lately .
[01:51] <dsmith> I know
[01:51] <dasickis> sorry I was out for a bit
[01:51] <HaSH> ddwagnz, i would imgine it would be the same way you do as a user.
[01:51] <dsmith> which entails me to use trial and learn basis
[01:51] <dasickis> but I tried to get the Nvidia kernels and it didn't work
[01:51] <BluesKaj> little or no , i meant to addd
[01:51] <ddwagnz> HaSH, which issssss
[01:51] <dasickis> it gave me unusual error
[01:51] <HaSH> *cough* cp *cough*
[01:52] <eilker> !vnc
[01:52] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:52] <ddwagnz> so it would be like sudo cp /file /location ?
[01:52] <HaSH> ddwagnz, yesum
[01:52] <eilker>  can we start a program etc. at remote desktop  via vnc ?
[01:53] <ddwagnz> k bbl
[01:53] <eagles0513875> anyone help me compile source code
[01:53] <eilker> !make
[01:53] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> I've 15'' laptop screen with native resolution 1024x768, can I change it to a higher resolution?
[01:54] <dasickis> hacked_kernel: edit the Xorg.conf
[01:54] <eilker> anyone makes with me remote desktop connection ? i wonder it...
[01:55] <hacked_kernel> dasickis: I did but nothing changes
[01:57] <dsmith> hacked_kernel: check your video card manufacturer
[01:57] <dsmith> hacked_kernel: and se what its max. res. is, then perhaps you should update your drivers?
[02:05] <tarnold> hey i plug in headphones but nothing happens how do i listen to music and videos through the headphones
[02:09] <c0nv1ct> does it work through speakers?
[02:21] <cpetzol2> Hello, I dont know if it is just a really wierd coincidence, but I have tried installing the broadcom wireless drivers twice, and each time I reboot, Kubuntu hangs mid boot, and I can find no other way to fix it other than reinstalling Kubuntu completely.
[02:22] <eagles0513875> how can i reencode videos
[02:23] <adydas> KRDC will connect to a running windows RDP machine eh?
[02:24] <cpetzol2> When I boot Kubuntu normally, the little progress bar makes it no further than 10%, and if I boot in recovery mode, there are a couple of lines about my new bcm43xx drivers, and then two lines that say "[37.275740]    <fffffffffff8026652>{child_rip+0}" and then it just sits there and does nothing further
[02:26] <inanimate> In Feisty, a ThinkPad's buttons work very nicely out of the box, however is there any way to configure them?
[02:28] <orient2000> I have Radeon 9700 Pro card and there is no way to install drovers for X11. Anybody has this card working and can watch TV or anything?
[02:28] <inanimate> For instance, Fn+F4 is sleep, but I'm wondering if I can allow Fn+F2 to lock the screen, and I can't find a config file...
[02:28] <eagles0513875> ati give shit drivers
[02:29] <orient2000> Is there any chip capture card working in Kubuntu. I do not play games.
[02:32] <surgy> when i right click on a folder and then click sharing and then configure filesharing and then give it my root pw everything is greyed out. then when i click the tab "sharing" and click on "start applet" it says "failed to start" can someone help?
[02:33] <orient2000> I think I will hang my TV with a rope over my computer and lower it down to wach TV. It will be my ATI driver partial replasement.
[02:33] <eilker> anyone using audacity ?
[02:33] <orient2000> I do
[02:34] <orient2000> what is a problem with audacity?
[02:35] <surgy> !sharing
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sharing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <surgy> !filesharing
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filesharing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <eilker> orient2000: i have no text in menu
[02:38] <eilker> orient2000: kubuntu 6.10 here, what about you ?
[02:39] <jeffalves> Ugh. I just want to be able to use Amarok again.
[02:40] <compilerwriter> HaSH: is fluxbox now my default xterm?
[02:40] <surgy> jeffalves: your problem?
[02:42] <sinisterguy> how do you set the things that autostart when you login like in sessions in the gnome-control-panel?
[02:43] <luis_> hola
[02:43] <luis_> como va la cosa
[02:43] <compilerwriter> !es | luis
[02:43] <ubotu> luis: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:44] <surgy>  when i right click on a folder and then click sharing and then configure filesharing and then give it my root pw everything is greyed out. then when i click the tab "sharing" and click on "start applet" it says "failed to start" can someone help?
[02:44] <desi007> is there a program like shut down timer that I can install which can shutdown my pc when I want to
[02:45] <inanimate> desi007: ktimer
[02:45] <inanimate> desi007: Or kalarm... Something like that.
[02:45] <jeffalves> surgy: I entered it in a while ago, let me go dig it up through my logs.
[02:45] <jeffalves> I can't seem to get Kubuntu Edgy Eft's Amarok to play last.fm streams. Amarok complains about not having a suitable plugin.
[02:46] <surgy> jeffalves: i cant help sorry..... do you know how to share a file over the network?
[02:46] <jeffalves> All the other workarounds seem to be very unattractive. I have it working fine on a Gentoo build of Amarok (admittedly with custom USE flags)
[02:47] <tarnold> hey all how do get headphones to work with amarok?
[02:47] <jeffalves> surgy: What kind of network are we talking? You have to be waaay more specific. What kind of machines are on the network? What kind of programs are installed on the machines? etc. etc.
[02:49] <surgy> jeffalves: they are all base kubuntu installs and i whould like to do all the sharing through samba if possible, ant its a regular lan setup 2 switches 1 router 4 computers
[02:50] <jeffalves> surgy: You could set up Samba on one machine which would act as a fileserver.
[02:50] <compilerwriter> !gdm
[02:50] <ubotu> gdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu4.1 (edgy), package size 1687 kB, installed size 12300 kB
[02:51] <surgy> jeffalves: i was under the impression i could just right click a file and enable it as shared and then browse by ip
[02:51] <jeffalves> You know that you can private message ubotu right?
[02:51] <jeffalves> surgy: Oh no. You definitely need to read up on Samba then.
[02:52] <surgy> jeffalves: allright let me dig out a link then
[02:52] <surgy> !samba
[02:52] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:52] <surgy> those seam to be for windows though
[02:52] <surgy> sharing with windows*
[02:53] <compilerwriter> l
[02:53] <eilker> i have problem with amarok, it keeps updating db, when i try to open it, and closes itself
[02:53] <surgy> looks like google is my friend then
[02:54] <surgy> jeffalves: whats this applet it trys to start when i click the "load applet" button?
[02:54] <surgy> jeffalves: and why wont it load?
[02:55] <EA8AJC> Adept is a very complicate tool
[02:55] <jeffalves> surgy: I have no clue what you're talking about.
[02:56] <jeffalves> surgy: "Can you help me figure out my problem? I've got this thing that's doing something weird and I don't know what to do." is what I'm hearing ;)
[02:56] <orient2000> what do you mean by no text in audacity? You must load file, select area or all and then the text will be there.
[02:56] <surgy> jeffalves: if your running kubuntu now right click a file >> properties >> sharing >> start applet
[02:57] <surgy> jeffalves: sorry im trying to be clear, i still have a lot to learn about linux networking
[02:58] <jeffalves> surgy: You mean Konqueror?
[02:58] <jeffalves> surgy: There's no "Kubuntu" 'File >> Properties >> Sharing >> Start Applet'
[02:59] <surgy> jeffalves: no, i mean right click a folder (any folder) and then click properties and then click sharing, and then click start applet
[03:00] <sparr> its dist-upgrade time...  1743 upgraded, 92 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:01] <surgy> jeffalves: see what i mean?
[03:05] <jeffalves> surgy: Okay, that automatically means you are using the default file browser on KDE - Konqueror. Just clarifying everything so that it's not as discombobulated as it once was.
[03:06] <surgy> jeffalves: yeah i said that..... sorry again for not being clear, i said "kubuntu base install" as in all computers are using the defualt software that comes with a basic install from a live cd, except for a few exceptions, but they all still contain the original software
[03:07] <jeffalves> surgy: I did the following. KMenu -> Internet -> Konqueror -> Home Folder. Right clicked on a directory called 'test' -> clicked Properties -> clicked Share -> clicked Configure File Sharing -> entered my password.
[03:08] <jeffalves> surgy: Did you at least get that far?
[03:08] <surgy> jeffalves: yes but as i said, it is all greyed out and i cannot change anything, even after entering my password
[03:08] <jeffalves> surgy: That's most likely because you don't have Samba installed and/or properly configured.
[03:09] <MrMuffin> ive spent about 2 hours trying to get kubuntu installed on my geforce 8800 gtx with no results, anyone got any tips?
[03:09] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Just getting it installed?! o_O
[03:10] <MrMuffin> well, its installed, but wont boot to KDE
[03:10] <surgy> jeffalves: allright, but i have successfully used samba to share folders with a windows machine so i know its installe
[03:10] <MrMuffin> the liveCD dumped me to a command prompt becuase the 'nv' driver doesnt support the 8800 series
[03:10] <MrMuffin> so i used the command prompt to edit xorg.conf to use the 'vesa' driver, that got me to KDE and allowed me to install
[03:10] <jeffalves> surgy: Is it running?
[03:11] <jeffalves> surgy: Sorry, more precisely, is Samba running?
[03:11] <MrMuffin> it installed fine, but when it goes to load kde/x-server or whatever, my monitor tells me no signal and just sits there
[03:11] <MrMuffin> i can boot to recovery mode just fine
[03:11] <surgy> jeffalves: does it have a different process name other than "samba" ?
[03:12] <surgy> !fixxorge
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixxorge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <MrMuffin> i used that to perform a full update, installed nvidia-glx which is *supposed* to support my card, but when booting using that driver ('nvidia') in xorg.conf, it freezes at a black screen with a cursor
[03:12] <MrMuffin> so 'vesa' driver gives me no signal and 'nvidia' freezes the boot process
[03:12] <MrMuffin> not sure where to go from here...
[03:12] <surgy> reconfigure xorg?
[03:12] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Ah, that blows. Well, you could try burning an "Alternate CD" (not to be confused with the term 'another CD' - there are three flavors of Ubuntu (alternate, desktop, server))
[03:13] <MrMuffin> hmm, ill look into the alternate cd
[03:13] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: If you get the Server CD, you'll have to install everything from the command line (it's just an ncurses dialog box guided installation - relatively simple)
[03:13] <MrMuffin> i could do that, but what would be the benefit
[03:13] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Then you get to choose which you want, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, or Xubuntu.
[03:13] <chavo> jeffalves, he already got it installed
[03:13] <MrMuffin> it appears to be installed properly
[03:13] <MrMuffin> i can access everything in the command prompt
[03:14] <surgy> jeffalves: do you know if samba has another process name other than "samba" ?
[03:14] <MrMuffin> and used apt-get to do a full distro update with success
[03:14] <jeffalves> surgy: smbd and nmbd.
[03:14] <MrMuffin> i can work with it just fine in recovery mode. but when i boot normally or do /etc/init.d/kdm start it freezes or does no signal depending on my driver
[03:14] <MrMuffin> im not sure what reinstalling using another cd would do to help me
[03:15] <surgy> jeffalves: its not running for somereason
[03:15] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Hmm, so there is an alternative I guess. You could try creating a custom kernel and hoping that the latest vanilla sources (or does Ubuntu patch the source kernel packages like other distributions do?) will work
[03:15] <jeffalves> surgy: There you go then. sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[03:15] <MrMuffin> i didnt want to have to patch the kernel, bleh
[03:15] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: I'm sorry, ignore the CD part, but it's still good to know.
[03:16] <MrMuffin> im 100% new to linux but im trying to learn it
[03:16] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: But the kernel thing may be your only option if hardware support is an issue.
[03:16] <MrMuffin> surgy, what do you mean reconfigure xserver, in what way?
[03:16] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Wow, you've certainly made quite a bit of progress already then :)
[03:16] <chavo> MrMuffin, which version did you install?
[03:16] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Ubuntu has an older kernel and it's possible that a newer kernel may have support for your graphics card.
[03:16] <hacked_kernel> I installed 915resolution and now I can get 1280x1024 resolution but its not adopted with the screen, I've to move the mouse to the extreme left or down to view the rest of the screen, any help??
[03:17] <surgy> mrmuffin: umm  i forgot, something along the lines of dpkx X11/xorg.conf --configure?
[03:17] <MrMuffin> wouldnt the full distro update i just did have updated the lasted version of everything?
[03:17] <surgy> jeffalves: sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found                    that means its not installed?
[03:17] <MrMuffin> including the latest kernel and xserver?
[03:17] <MrMuffin> chavo, not sure, whatever the latest .deb was that apt-get snagged
[03:17] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: No, Ubuntu itself has an outdated kernel. As in every person who runs it is using 2.6.17 to the best of my knowledge.
[03:17] <chavo> MrMuffin, is it 6.10?
[03:17] <jeffalves> surgy: .... yeah.
[03:17] <MrMuffin> yeah its kubuntu 6.10
[03:17] <jeffalves> surgy: Are you sure you setup Samba on that machine?
[03:18] <MrMuffin> jeffalves, yeah i think the update made the kernel 2.6.17-11 or something, from -10
[03:18] <chavo> MrMuffin, afaik the nvidia drivers in 6.10 won't support that card
[03:18] <surgy> jeffalves: i never did but i used "smb:// [the persons ip] " to access samba shares on this machine before
[03:18] <chavo> MrMuffin, it has nothing to do with th kernel
[03:18] <jeffalves> surgy: That's because you were doing client side.
[03:19] <surgy> jeffalves: ahhh. ok then samba is in the repos i imagine?
[03:19] <MrMuffin> chavo, i did some forum reading before i came here and i THOUGHT that getting the latest nvidia-glx (proprietary nvidia drivers) would work
[03:19] <MrMuffin> cuase yeah, the opensource nv drivers that come with it do not work
[03:19] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Linux already is at 2.6.21-rc3
[03:19] <chavo> MrMuffin, are you on the machine now?
[03:19] <MrMuffin> jeffalves, is that what's going to be included in the new version of k/ubuntu to be released in april?
[03:19] <MrMuffin> chavo, i am on the machine, its dual boot with XP
[03:19] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: I'm not positive, but it better be at least 2.6.19.
[03:19] <MrMuffin> my g/f is on my laptop
[03:20] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Oh boy, then please explain to her that this is not the norm for Linux for us all :)
[03:20] <chavo> MrMuffin, you can try getting the latest driver from nvidia.com and building it yourself
[03:21] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Which is exactly why you're better off just creating your own custom kernel -- it's a good learning experience, but may be way more than you want to learn in a matter of hours
[03:21] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: If you want to make a handy Debian package out of it, use checkinstall.
[03:21] <kgx> is there a good bittorrent client that can be accessed from the command line? i need one so i can control it through ssh
[03:22] <MrMuffin> bittornado is python and has an ncurses interface
[03:22] <jeffalves> kgx: ctorrent is a bit old, but it works. rtorrent as well.
[03:22] <MrMuffin> it monitors a directory for torrents and starts them automatically
[03:22] <MrMuffin> never tried rtorrent
[03:22] <chavo> MrMuffin, is your install x86?
[03:22] <MrMuffin> 64
[03:23] <MrMuffin> should i even try 32?
[03:23] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: For being new to Linux, you sure have learned a lot already :) Good to see non-n00bs picking up Kubuntu :)
[03:23] <kgx> ta
[03:23] <chavo> MrMuffin, it's up to you but you will have a hard time getting some things to work
[03:23] <MrMuffin> jeffalves, other technical experience has helped me along the way. i tried suse 10.2 but it struck em as rather bloated
[03:24] <chavo> such as flash
[03:24] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Hehe, I'd argue Ubuntu is bloated but then I'd get flamed :P It's nice if you want something hassle-free though.
[03:24] <chavo> he said bloated
[03:24] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Though I'm sure it's going to take a bit of convincing to get you to see that it isn't always this screwy :P
[03:24] <surgy> awsome thnx jeffalves
[03:25] <jeffalves> surgy: Everything works now?
[03:25] <MrMuffin> jeffalves, oh no, its been great so far compared to vista
[03:25] <MrMuffin> my 8800 gtx doesnt work at all with vista
[03:25] <MrMuffin> the craptastic drivers nvidia put out BSOD on startup
[03:26] <MrMuffin> and no its not a software or hardware issue, im not the only one. im part of an 8 page thread on the nvidia forums about it
[03:26] <MrMuffin> it has something to do with m Xerox monitor
[03:26] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: hahaha, "Your system will now BSOD. Would you like to accept or deny?"
[03:26] <MrMuffin> i know right
[03:27] <MrMuffin> its pretty crapped to spend 1500$ on a new rig only to have it not work
[03:27] <MrMuffin> but yeah it took us 8 pages of posts to figure out that our only common piece of hardware was our monitors
[03:27] <jeffalves> Seriously. But I guess that's the price you pay for getting somewhat cutting edge hardware.
[03:27] <MrMuffin> dunno what about this particular one makes the nvidia driver go blam
[03:27] <MrMuffin> doesnt get more cutting edge than the 8800 gtx, but yeah i guess
[03:28] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: If I were you, I'd get a quick Gentoo installation on a similar setup (at least the same architecture) and create a Debian package out of the latest kernel.
[03:28] <MrMuffin> although i would say theres some sort of reasonable expectation of it working as advertised
[03:28] <MrMuffin> "vista certified" my ass
[03:28] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Then port the package over to your Kubuntu machine and dpkg -i it.
[03:29] <kgx> managed to find a command line one: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/ConsoleUI
[03:29] <kgx> sweet :D
[03:29] <jeffalves> kgx: giFT is quite nice as well
[03:29] <jeffalves> kgx: just apt-cache search torrent
[03:29] <MrMuffin> so yeah, linux is working better for me thank vista
[03:29] <MrMuffin> how hilarious is that
[03:29] <jeffalves> Good to hear :)
[03:30] <MrMuffin> i did install vista on my gf's HP, it worked fine, although it really is irritating as hell, even after disabling UAC (accept or deny)
[03:30] <MrMuffin> chavo sent me an interesting link
[03:30] <MrMuffin> let me boot to kubuntu and try it
[03:30] <MrMuffin> god willing, ill be back
[03:32] <jeffalves> <obligatory WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW />
[03:32] <surgy> jeffalves: like a charm.... THANKS!
[03:32] <coreymon77> well its his fault for installing vista
[03:33] <jeffalves> surgy: No problem.
[03:34] <mil> i cant access the cmd line by using ctrl alt f#    // the screen just freezes like it cant show the terminal - mouse/clock stops moving til i hit ctrl alt f7 to get back -- any idea how to get to cmd line?
[03:35] <mil> im running ubuntu using vmserver
[03:36] <jeffalves> Oh, right, I totally forgot why *I* was in here.
[03:36] <jeffalves> I can't seem to get Kubuntu Edgy Eft's Amarok to play last.fm streams. Amarok complains about not having a suitable plugin.
[03:41] <matt____> I downloaded my graphic card drivers but I cant figure out how to install them
[03:43] <MrMuffin> i made it back alive
[03:43] <MrMuffin> and im using Konversation on kubuntu thanks to chavo
[03:43] <jeffalves> Awesome, as root as well ;)
[03:44] <MrMuffin> he gave me a link to the official nvidia driver on their website, to replace the one from the nvidia-glx package
[03:44] <MrMuffin> works fine from what i can tell
[03:45] <jeffalves> Mmm, well if you are running as root, I'd highly recommend against doing that.
[03:45] <jeffalves> You're falling into the same pitfall that Windows users have.
[03:45] <MrMuffin> oh no i know
[03:45] <MrMuffin> i just got excited that its even working and jumped on konversation
[03:45] <MrMuffin> let me get into the terminal and create a new user
[03:46] <matt____> I need a little help installing my graphics drivers, I am getting this message : ERROR: nvidia-installer must be run as root
[03:46] <firecrotch> Well, since ubuntu-server isn't answering my question, I suppose I will ask here
[03:46] <MrMuffin> matt try placing sudo in front of teh command
[03:46] <MrMuffin> my advice may suck
[03:47] <firecrotch> I'm running a web server, and for some reason, perl scripts are not working at all, it's just popping up the Download dialog
[03:47] <firecrotch> any clue why?
[03:47] <matt____> I got the same error when I put sudo in front of it
[03:49] <MrMuffin> id already created a non-su account during installation but i was just root becuase i installed the driver (and loaded kde) in recovery mode
[03:50] <winmutt> hi
[03:50] <MrMuffin> bleh i cant believe ubuntu doesnt come with firefox
[03:50] <MrMuffin> what a disgrace
[03:50] <MrMuffin> ;-)
[03:50] <firecrotch> Hi, winmutt
[03:50] <Emerald> When I try and load the LiveCD, it will load with the Kubuntu logo with the bar and such, the bar will fill and I'm taken to a blue screen with a cursor. I can move the cursor, but nothing happens. I tried waiting 5 hours. Nothing. I tried burning another CD, twice, and a DVD 3 times. I tried downloading them again, to no avail. The alternate install CD won't be loaded as a Bootdisk, so I can't use that...
[03:50] <winmutt> im having problems with screen rez above 1024x768 over dvi
[03:51] <Emerald> So my question is: Is my problem most likely hardware related?
[03:51] <MrMuffin> probably
[03:51] <MrMuffin> whats your hw
[03:51] <winmutt> MrMuffin: konquerer is kde's web browser
[03:51] <winmutt> why would it come with ff?
[03:51] <MrMuffin> winmutt, im aware it is. becuase it's firefox. its the shit
[03:51] <MrMuffin> ;-)
[03:51] <deathnote> !mknod
[03:51] <winmutt> ff is not the shit
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mknod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:52] <winmutt> ff is a memory leak
[03:52] <MrMuffin> oh lord youre one of those
[03:52] <winmutt> no
[03:52] <winmutt> it is a memory leak
[03:52] <Emerald> Lemme get ym specs
[03:52] <Emerald> *me
[03:52] <MrMuffin> im conceding now so i can go to bed at a decent hour
[03:52] <MrMuffin> goodnight all, and thanks to those that helped me
[03:52] <winmutt> MrMuffin: there are handful of open ff bugs regarding memory leakage
[03:52] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: Goodnight. Enjoy Linux.
[03:53] <winmutt> forget about the fact it doesnt even clear out its own memory cache
[03:53] <Emerald> AMD Athlon 4000+, 1 GB of DDR RAM, NVidia 7800 GT, Creative Sound Blaster Value 2, and a MSI k8n Platnum Mobo
[03:53] <jeffalves> I agree with winmutt :) Opera > Firefox if you don't need obscure Firefox plug-ins.
[03:53] <Emerald> Night MrMuffin
[03:53] <winmutt> bah
[03:53] <winmutt> i use ff all day
[03:53] <winmutt> have to restart atleast 3x to free up memory
[03:53] <robert__> anyone good with WPA setups?
[03:53] <winmutt> assuming it doesnt lock at some point
[03:53] <MrMuffin> you see how he keeps going after no one is arguing with him. thats what makes him "one of those". and i totally agree about opera
[03:53] <MrMuffin> but its not foss so i wouldnt expect it to be included
[03:53] <winmutt> no muffin
[03:54] <winmutt> that makes you one of "those"
[03:54] <winmutt> lol
[03:54] <indygo> Where can I find a good website to learn how to use kubuntu linux.  I just switched from windows (^-^ )
[03:54] <jeffalves> MrMuffin: I believe in using the best tool for the job. If that means using Windows, I'm fine with that too.
[03:54] <MrMuffin> wow, that sure was clever. thansk for showing me
[03:54] <jeffalves> indygo: Google, ubuntuguide.org, ubuntuforums, et al.
[03:54] <winmutt> MrMuffin: you can learn alot from a dummy
[03:54] <indygo> Thanks so much!
[03:54] <robert__> anyone here know anything about KWallet and KNetworkManager?
[03:54] <voidmage> !kwallet
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <jeffalves> robert__: Ask your question. We all probably know of it, but don't know what you want to do with them.
[03:55] <winmutt> anyways any rez above 1024x768 my screen goes wack. I've checked my hor and vert and they are all inline with whats in there
[03:55] <jeffalves> s/it/them
[03:55] <Emerald> Anyway, I can load Gentoo, so I'm pretty sure that my hardware's good from a Linux standpoint
[03:55] <winmutt> any suggestions on where to go?
[03:55] <jeffalves> Emerald: Then again, Gentoo is running a much newer kernel than stock Ubuntu.
[03:55] <matt____> alright I am getting a new error message while installing my graphic cards drivers
[03:55] <voidmage> !networkmanager
[03:55] <matt____> ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
[03:55] <matt____>        '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find
[03:55] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[03:55] <matt____>        suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available
[03:55] <matt____>        on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com.
[03:55] <jeffalves> Please use a pastebin next time.
[03:55] <winmutt> matteo: thats horribly uncouth
[03:56] <winmutt> er
[03:56] <winmutt> matt____
[03:56] <matt____> sorry
[03:56] <robert__> OK... i've already RTFM'd at the forums and no help there... I got WPA to work with my laptop, BUT, when I reboot, KNetworkManager and KWallet nag me for the passwords EVERY time. No help on Ubuntu/Kubuntu forums...
[03:56] <winmutt> jeffalves : i dont suppose you could drop me a nugget
[03:56] <c0nv1ct> whats the error in the log? (dont paste it all)
[03:56] <Emerald> jeffalves: Ah, okay
[03:56] <winmutt> robert__: that mae be more of a kde issue
[03:56] <matt____> thats the question I have I guess, how do I get to the log
[03:56] <jeffalves> winmutt: A what..?
[03:56] <jeffalves> matt____: Upload to a pastebin.
[03:56] <winmutt> jeffalves: a nugget a crumb.... on X res
[03:57] <jeffalves> I actually have to go home now. I've been 'working' for the past two hours ;)
[03:57] <jeffalves> Don't get paid for it so might as well relax at home.
[03:57] <winmutt> sigh
[03:57] <matt____> what is a pastebin
[03:57] <winmutt> pastebin.ca
[03:58] <Emerald> Could my problem be my video card?
[03:58] <matt____> I see
[03:58] <matt____> How do I get into the nvidia-installer.log
[03:58] <winmutt> locate filename
[03:59] <indygo> How can I unmount my windows drive to resize it?
[04:01] <c0nv1ct> umount /dev/devicename
[04:02] <c0nv1ct> you plan on resizing it from within linux?
[04:02] <c0nv1ct> too risky IMO, resize it from within windows
[04:04] <coreymon77> c0nv1ct: why, qtparted is perfectly safe
[04:04] <coreymon77> now guys
[04:04] <coreymon77> if something is open of desktop 2
[04:05] <indygo> sorry I took so long, I was looking at the guide for a minute.  Yeah, I'd like to resize from linux, just to be quicker, but what could happen if I didn't do it in windows?
[04:05] <coreymon77> i want it only to appear on the taskbar when desktop 2 is active
[04:05] <_Daisuke_Ido_> coreymon77: so was the hindenburg.  also the titanic was unsinkable
[04:05] <coreymon77> where do i find that option?
[04:05] <_Daisuke_Ido_> in other words, expect the worst from things like that
[04:05] <coreymon77> _Daisuke_Ido_: ive used qtparted to resize my windoze partition many times
[04:05] <_Daisuke_Ido_> vfat?
[04:06] <c0nv1ct> yeah, i agree with _Daisuke_Ido_, just to be safe i do it with MMC
[04:06] <c0nv1ct> especially if you dont want to chance losing data
[04:06] <slyfox> Can someone pelase help me with Krone ? I am trying to set up a backup script, the script works fine, however when I point Kroen to it, it tells me that it cannot find program. ???
[04:06] <_Daisuke_Ido_> coreymon77: run kcontrol
[04:06] <_Daisuke_Ido_> and under desktop/taskbar
[04:06] <_Daisuke_Ido_> sorry, thinking and typing at the same time...
[04:06] <c0nv1ct> coreymon77: are u using beryl?
[04:07] <_Daisuke_Ido_> uncheck "show windows from all desktops"
[04:07] <coreymon77> foiund it
[04:07] <coreymon77> no
[04:07] <mil> i cant access the cmd line by using ctrl alt f#    // the screen just freezes like it cant show the terminal - mouse/clock stops moving til i hit ctrl alt f7 to get back -- any idea how to get to cmd line?
[04:07] <_Daisuke_Ido_> i still can't get beryl working :\
[04:07] <matt____> I am getting an error that I am running an X server while trying to installer my graphic card drivers. I only have this and terminal open along with firefox, would any of those cause this?
[04:07] <_Daisuke_Ido_> not with any degree of decency, anyway
[04:07] <_Daisuke_Ido_> yes, yes it would.
[04:08] <_Daisuke_Ido_> you're still in X
[04:08] <c0nv1ct> you cant install graphics drivers while X is running
[04:08] <indygo> Hmm, umount /dev/devicename returns only root can resize.  How do I make myself root?
[04:08] <matt____> How do I close X?
[04:08] <c0nv1ct> ctrl+alt+f1, type /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:08] <c0nv1ct> or kdm stop
[04:08] <c0nv1ct> type it after you log in, of course
[04:09] <matt____> alright
[04:09] <c0nv1ct> mil: are you running it inside vmware?
[04:12] <slyfox> Can someone help me with Cron ?
[04:13] <c0nv1ct> slyfox: http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html
[04:14] <carambola> my wireless module is loaded, but iwconfig does not show the card
[04:16] <poningru> carambola: what about system->admin->network
[04:16] <indygo> Hey, after I press ctrl+alt+f1, what do I type/press to get out of that?
[04:16] <carambola> it shows wlan0 being a wired connection, not wireless
[04:16] <poningru> 0.o
[04:16] <carambola> indygo: ctrl-alt-f7
[04:16] <poningru> indygo: ctrl+alt+f7
[04:16] <coreymon77> carambola: have you ran the iwconfig command?
[04:16] <carambola> coreymon77: yeah, no wireless devices there
[04:17] <indygo> Oh, I see :D thanks :)
[04:17] <coreymon77> carambola: what is your wireless cards interface called?
[04:17] <coreymon77> interface what?
[04:17] <carambola> i just updated some other stuff, but none of the packages should have affected wireless
[04:17] <indygo> What is it I type again to make myself root?
[04:17] <indygo> I had to turn off my compy lol
[04:17] <coreymon77> carambola: interface what?
[04:17] <carambola> i think it's usually eth1
[04:17] <coreymon77> yours is eht1?
[04:18] <carambola> (it's my first time in linux for over a year... things are rusty)
[04:18] <coreymon77> okay them
[04:18] <coreymon77> does your network have a wep key?
[04:19] <carambola> yeah, but when i open the properties of wlan0 (in network settings), there are no wireless settings
[04:19] <coreymon77> wait
[04:19] <coreymon77> is it wlan0 or eht1
[04:19] <coreymon77> which one is your card using?
[04:20] <carambola> network settings says wlan0, but iirc, it used to be eth1 when it worked
[04:20] <ahlalo_elyon> I'm having a problem.  Whenever I use the Logout menu to "Lock this session and start a new one" the system completely locks up when the monitor goes into powersave mode.  The only way to get back into Kubuntu is to do a hard reset (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does nothing).  Anyone have any ideas?
[04:20] <coreymon77> carambola: okay then, try this
[04:21] <coreymon77> carambola: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid [your essid]  key [your wep key] 
[04:21] <coreymon77> and isnt your internet working anyways
[04:22] <desi007> plz suggest any shutdon timer that I can install
[04:22] <carambola> got two laptops on my lap :)
[04:22] <desi007> shutdown*
[04:22] <desi007> carambola: whats in between :)
[04:22] <coreymon77> carambola: okay then, try that command
[04:22] <coreymon77> desi007: you have a sick mind
[04:22] <carambola> "error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device eth1 ; no suck device"
[04:22] <coreymon77> okay then
[04:22] <coreymon77> try it with wlan0
[04:23] <carambola> same problem
[04:23] <coreymon77> whats the card
[04:24] <hans_> hhi everybody..
[04:24] <coreymon77> carambola: what card are you using?
[04:24] <carambola> i've seen iwconfig with an unconfigured card before... there's usually a few lines in there about signal strength and access point, etc... there is none of that there now
[04:24] <carambola> orinoco module
[04:24] <carambola> it was working before the package update
[04:24] <coreymon77> just tell me the darn card
[04:24] <carambola> it's embedded. prism II, i think
[04:25] <coreymon77> usb?
[04:26] <carambola> no, embedded. internal.
[04:26] <Emerald> Okay, let me try this again: When I try and load the LiveCD, it will load with the Kubuntu logo with the bar and such, the bar will fill and I'm taken to a blue screen with a cursor. I can move the cursor, but nothing happens. I tried waiting 5 hours. Nothing. I tried burning another CD, twice, and a DVD 3 times. I tried downloading them again, to no avail. The alternate install CD won't be loaded as a Bootdisk. Does anyone know what the 
[04:27] <coreymon77> carambola: okay, heres the problem
[04:27] <coreymon77> carambola: you are using the wrong driver
[04:28] <coreymon77> carambola: type this , sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:29] <coreymon77> carambola: check in the pm that i am opening with you, as to not flood the channel
[04:30] <ubuntu> whats a good size for a swap partition?
[04:30] <carambola> why would i want to blacklist those?
[04:30] <coreymon77> carambola: they are the wrong drivers
[04:30] <coreymon77> carambola: you do not want to be using the orinoco ones
[04:31] <Ashex> ubuntu, normally double your ram
[04:31] <coreymon77> carambola: you want to use the hostap ones
[04:31] <Ashex> so if you have 1GB of ram, at least 2GB is safe
[04:31] <coreymon77> carambola: look for yourself
[04:31] <coreymon77> carambola: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/IntersilPrism25Wavelan?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29
[04:31] <Ashex> Actually scratch that, I'm thinking windows for some obscure reason
[04:32] <Ashex> 5-15GB depending on drive size
[04:34] <sebr> hey kids
[04:34] <sebr> :)
[04:34] <indygo> Okay, I have my windows drive resized, do I need to umount my linux drive to resize it and take the free space?
[04:35] <sebr> i'm not sure why, but my monitor keeps flashing, with a widescreen configuration
[04:35] <ubuntu> Ashex i dont understand ext3 logical drives etc - i setup 1 partition to have 75gbs - but i think i gonna have to resize it to 70 gb and make a 5gb swap
[04:35] <Ashex> ubuntu, the swap partition is used when you run out of ram
[04:35] <Ashex> it's the equivelant of a page file in windows
[04:36] <ubuntu> its a laptop - c2d 2.16ghz / 2gb ram ddr2 667mhz / 7900gs / 100gb hd 7200rpm
[04:36] <Ashex> so, you just need one ext3 partition and then a swap partition
[04:36] <ubuntu> what does that even mean ext3 = extension 3?
[04:37] <c0nv1ct> ya, extended filesystem
[04:38] <c0nv1ct> number 3 :P
[04:38] <indygo> (sorry to butt in) should I umount my linux drive so I can resize it to get the extra space?
[04:38] <ubuntu> its a fresh drive - jus want to leave 20gbs for xp (dual boot
[04:39] <c0nv1ct> indygo: i'm pretty sure the filesystem cant be mounted before u can modify it
[04:39] <carambola> coreymon77: thanks! all better
[04:40] <indygo> c0nv1ct: Oh, I see.  QTparted isn't letting me resize the drive to take the free space...
[04:44] <slyfox> Does Cron work with #!/bin/sh  scripts ?
[04:44] <indygo> c0nv1ct:Sorry, I don't know if you answered me or not, right after I typed that last message, my computer lagged for about 20 seconds.  Do you know how to fix that?
[04:44] <indygo> the resizing, not the lag :D
[04:45] <coreymon77> carambola: no problem
[04:45] <c0nv1ct> indygo: what were u asking?
[04:45] <ahlalo_elyon> I'm having a problem.  Whenever I use the Logout menu to "Lock this session and start a new one" the system completely locks up when the monitor goes into powersave mode.  The only way to get back into Kubuntu is to do a hard reset (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does nothing).  Anyone have any ideas?
[04:46] <c0nv1ct> indygo: you unmounted the drive and it wouldnt let u resize?
[04:46] <indygo> c0nv1ct: no, I resized the windows drive, but I can't put the free space on the linux drive...
[04:47] <c0nv1ct> indygo: did you unmount the linux drive before attempting to resize it?
[04:47] <jryhiggins> !nvidia
[04:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:48] <indygo> nope, I thought someone said not to :D
[04:48] <indygo> is that how I fix it?
[04:48] <c0nv1ct> no, you need to
[04:48] <indygo> thanks a lot c0nv1ct :P
[04:48] <c0nv1ct> that working for ya now?
[04:49] <indygo> nope, it says device is busy...
[04:49] <c0nv1ct> umount it, should work
[04:49] <indygo> do I still use umount /dev/devicename?
[04:49] <c0nv1ct> unless its your '/' then you probably have to do it from a Live CD
[04:49] <c0nv1ct> yeah umount /dev/hda or whatever
[04:50] <Joshooa> What should I do to make Kaffiene play my songs right, some MP3s and some Oggs sound like bad techno and wont play all the way, some others just wont open at all
[04:50] <c0nv1ct> use Amarok? :P
[04:50] <c0nv1ct> i dunno, never used Kaffiene for music
[04:50] <Joshooa> But if it's a codec problem it wont matter
[04:50] <indygo> its still saying that the device is busy...
[04:50] <Joshooa> But, where do I get Amarok, I heard it's really good
[04:51] <c0nv1ct> yeah Amarok rules, its in the repos
[04:51] <Joshooa> ok
[04:51] <c0nv1ct> indygo: what filesystem is it?
[04:51] <stdin> amarok is installed by default in kubuntu
[04:51] <c0nv1ct> where is it mounted i mean
[04:51] <Joshooa> Oh, yeah it is, thanks stdin
[04:51] <c0nv1ct> if it contains your kernel, you cant unmount it
[04:52] <indygo> its /dev/sda1
[04:52] <c0nv1ct> is it mounted to '/' ?
[04:52] <indygo> umm, I don't really know, how do I check?
[04:52] <c0nv1ct> 'df' will tell you
[04:54] <c0nv1ct> what does the 'df' command say for /dev/sda1 ?
[04:54] <indygo> mounted on /dev1
[04:55] <c0nv1ct> weird place to be mounted..
[04:55] <indygo>  /dev *
[04:55] <c0nv1ct> are u sure?
[04:55] <c0nv1ct> cuz 'udev' should be mounted to /dev
[04:56] <indygo> read it wrong the first time it is on /dev lol sorry :D
[04:56] <ctw> I am having issues setting up a dual screen system in Ubuntu ... it worked in Dapper, but broke in Edgy, and still doesn't work in Feisty ... I currently have 2 X-servers running, but that means I can't drag windows between the screens
[04:56] <ctw> whenever I try to enable xinerama, I get weired display artifacts
[04:56] <ctw> does anybody have any idea?
[04:57] <intelikey> who's the joker in this deck, by heck ?
[04:58] <intelikey> oh sorry.
[04:58] <jryhiggins> hi
[04:58] <jryhiggins> !xorg
[04:58] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:58] <posingaspopular> !flash
[04:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:58] <jryhiggins> how do i reconfigure xorg.conf?
[04:58] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[04:58] <c0nv1ct> indygo: it cant be mounted to /dev
[04:58] <jryhiggins> dpkg xorg.conf reconfigure?
[04:58] <stdin> !xconfig | jryhiggins
[04:58] <ubotu> jryhiggins: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[04:59] <Mr_Sonoma> has anyone had any problems with their savage ix video card. i cant get my resolution set beyond 640 by 480
[04:59] <intelikey> jryhiggins sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:59] <stdin> indygo: this command should tell you your root device: mount | grep " / "
[04:59] <c0nv1ct> hes trying to resize /dev/sda1
[04:59] <fizzbane> I am trying to add windows to grub. I edited the grub menu and it looks like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9172/ . I click windows xp on the grud menu and i get "Error1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist."
[04:59] <c0nv1ct> i think its his root, cuz it wont let him umount it
[05:00] <intelikey> -phigh on a reconfigure ???   that's obserd.
[05:00] <intelikey> that's obtuse
[05:00] <intelikey> that's
[05:00] <intelikey> that's misspelled
[05:00] <intelikey> nm
[05:00] <stdin> c0nv1ct: it should be done from a live cd then
[05:01] <Joshooa> So yeah, even Amarok wont recognize most of my music, any ideas?
[05:01] <indygo> okay, root is on / , not /dev
[05:01] <c0nv1ct> yeah
[05:01] <Joshooa> Like I have all of Bloodhound gang, and it's all oggs, and out of all their albums, only like 5 are recognized.
[05:01] <c0nv1ct> then u gotta use a live cd bro
[05:01] <jryhiggins> im getting an error on startx. "no screens found" even though i just reconfigured xorg
[05:01] <c0nv1ct> indygo: how much space are you adding?
[05:01] <Parkotron> fizzbane: Where'd the "[/b] " come from?
[05:02] <c0nv1ct> there may be another way that'll be easier
[05:02] <indygo> 83 gb
[05:02] <intelikey> jryhiggins so reconf again.   until you get every thing correct.
[05:02] <c0nv1ct> and whats your total in / as of now?
[05:02] <c0nv1ct> 'df -H' will show, if ya dont know
[05:02] <indygo> 7.23 gb
[05:02] <c0nv1ct> well
[05:03] <posingaspopular> how do you install flash on a live cd? im confused by the documentation
[05:03] <fizzbane> from this guide http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/19644-how-add-windows-2k-xp-grub.html
[05:03] <stdin> jryhiggins: you may want to run the command without -phigh if you used it last time, to completely rewrite the config
[05:03] <jryhiggins> intelikey: thnx i whould copy/paste xorg but im on irssi :)
[05:03] <c0nv1ct> you could create a seperate mount for /home if ya want, and then u wont have to resize
[05:04] <c0nv1ct> cuz like 90% of your disk usage will be in /home
[05:04] <Parkotron> fizzbane: Mine looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9186/
[05:04] <indygo> How do I put /home on a separate drive?
[05:04] <c0nv1ct> i have kubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu packages installed, and its only taking up 6.3 gigs in /
[05:05] <c0nv1ct> but i have 420gb for /home
[05:05] <fizzbane> Thanks parkotron. I will try what you have there.
[05:05] <Parkotron> fizzbane: I think the [B]  and [/B]  are messed up forum formatting codes.
[05:05] <Joshooa> what does xubuntu use?
[05:05] <posingaspopular> xfce
[05:05] <c0nv1ct> as a window manager? xfce
[05:05] <fizzbane> oh i get it
[05:05] <intelikey> c0nv1ct you mount the fs at mountpoint /home
[05:05] <fizzbane> i will try it like yours
[05:05] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: i'm trying to help indygo :)
[05:05] <spitwise> how come apt cant find vlc?
[05:05] <Parkotron> fizzbane: No problem. Hope that works for you.
[05:06] <intelikey> spitwise you don't have universe enabled ?
[05:06] <spitwise> i do i do
[05:06] <Hasrat_USA> good evening everyone!
[05:06] <intelikey> !info vlc
[05:06] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[05:06] <spitwise> kanker, no i dodnt
[05:06] <spitwise> didnt also
[05:06] <c0nv1ct> indygo: actually man, it'll probably be less complicated to resize it from a Live CD
[05:06] <jryhiggins> third time ive reconfigured and still the same error "no screens" and i have looked in the xorg and it says there is a screen
[05:07] <matrix> hi, how can i get konqueror to always show the detailed list view?
[05:07] <intelikey> !repos | spitwise
[05:07] <ubotu> spitwise: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:07] <c0nv1ct> indygo: or else you'll have to do some editing of /etc/fstab and some moving of files
[05:07] <Dumahen> how can i configure bind to use default name server on ubuntu ?
[05:07] <spitwise> :P intelikey
[05:07] <spitwise> i did a clean install today im not happy about
[05:08] <c0nv1ct> indygo: not to mention using fdisk and mkfs too
[05:08] <ctw> does anybody hear have a working dual screen setup with xinerama in Feisty?
[05:08] <intelikey> imo a clean install of ubuntu is very dirty.
[05:08] <fizzbane> Thanks Parkotron. I edited my menu and i will go try it out now. If it doesn't work i will be back.
[05:08] <Dumahen> how can i configure bind to use default name server on ubuntu ?
[05:08] <spitwise> in other god new old school stones is on tv
[05:08] <indygo> lol, okay :D thanks for all the help c0nv1ct
[05:08] <spitwise> god new = good news
[05:08] <ubuntu> Is it good to have a big swap partition for Linux? Does it improve performance?
[05:08] <washbear> how do you reboot from within single user mode?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  over large swap is wasted drive space
[05:09] <c0nv1ct> indygo: just go for the Live CD option, you'll be fine buddy :D
[05:09] <ubuntu> What is it for then?
[05:09] <indygo> lol okay :D
[05:09] <intelikey> washbear init 6
[05:09] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  i got 1.5 gb memory rarely use swap.
[05:09] <washbear> "reboot" and "shutdown -h now" don't work
[05:09] <indygo> brb, gonna go download and burn it :D
[05:09] <ubuntu> well i have 4 gigs of ram
[05:09] <c0nv1ct> washbear: init 6
[05:09] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  you asked what use was a BIG swap partition. no use at all..
[05:09] <spitwise> sudo reboot?
[05:09] <ubuntu> and a 3.0ghz HT processer
[05:10] <washbear> intelikey - simply "init 6" at the prompt?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  id say make a 512mb swap partition then and leave it at that.
[05:10] <intelikey> yep
[05:10] <jryhiggins> dr_willis: can you give me some possible scenerios where i whould get an error saying "no screens detected" after an nvidia driver install? even though xorg shows a screen
[05:10] <washbear> nice one, thx!
[05:10] <ubuntu> i have a 13gig swap partition lol
[05:10] <Bearcat> hey folka
[05:10] <spitwise> ubuntu: no!
[05:10] <Dr_willis> jryhiggins,  the driver is failing to load is one possibility
[05:10] <c0nv1ct> washbear: runlevel 6 = reboot :D
[05:10] <ubuntu> lol
[05:10] <Bearcat> folks that is
[05:10] <Bearcat> i belive i may be hosed
[05:10] <ubuntu> its a 300gig sataII hd, so i figured a little more wouldnt hurt lol
[05:11] <jryhiggins> dr_willis: ok should i change all of the device identifiers to "nv" instead of there true hardware names?
[05:11] <intelikey> c0nv1ct by default  that is....  on this box i'm in runlevel 6 as we speak.
[05:11] <spitwise> not neccessary
[05:11] <Dr_willis> i got 1.25 TB of drive space total.
[05:11] <ubuntu> should i set it lower?
[05:11] <spitwise> yes!
[05:11] <ubuntu> to like, 1gig maybe? lol
[05:11] <spitwise> lower..
[05:11] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: well yeah, you can change the rc#.d around all you want
[05:11] <Dr_willis> jryhiggins,  i think ya shoukld read up on the xorg.conf layout. :) and find some example xorg.confs to twiddle with.
[05:11] <ubuntu> why lower?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> BRB...
[05:11] <inteliwasp> what is the best way to rip an audiobook for use on a ogg player?
[05:11] <spitwise> cuz it aint needed
[05:11] <Bearcat> i'm trying to get a lexmark x2250 and all reports point to that there is no driver available.  Can i just use another driver instead?
[05:11] <ubuntu> hmmm
[05:11] <spitwise> i'm betting youn also have plenty of ram
[05:12] <ubuntu> i have 4 gigs of ram
[05:12] <ubuntu> ddr
[05:12] <spitwise> ya dont waste all that space on swap
[05:12] <ubuntu> and a 3.0ghz ht processor
[05:12] <spitwise> some people dont even USE swap
[05:12] <ubuntu> well it wouldnt be a waste, its my OS drive, only thing that goes on it is windows/linux
[05:12] <Joshooa> What is the easiest way to get all my harddrives formatted and partitioned for a dual XP/Kubuntu install?
[05:12] <spitwise> ya it would be a waste
[05:13] <ubuntu> ok, thank you guys
[05:13] <spitwise> ;)
[05:13] <ubuntu> ill set it lower when i goto install it
[05:13] <fizzbane> Parkotron: Ok. I got an error 13 when i booted windows.
[05:13] <ubuntu> do i lose performance if i go with a bigger swap?
[05:13] <ubuntu> or it just doesnt get utalized?
[05:13] <spitwise> no just cool-points
[05:13] <intelikey> i have p1mmx 100mhz processor 64m ram 600m hdd running ubuntu hoary + kde    so what's the question ?
[05:13] <indygo> okay, small question, what is the difference in the dapper and edgy releases of kubuntu?
[05:14] <intelikey> indygo 4 months.
[05:14] <spitwise> edgy is newer
[05:14] <indygo> thanks :D
[05:14] <Joshooa> I heard you shouldn't have bigger than 2GB in a swap file, and if you want more swap, make different partitons
[05:14] <intelikey> dapper is LTS though
[05:15] <spitwise> hence my new clean install
[05:15] <spitwise> :/
[05:15] <intelikey> i heard myself say that i run kde in this 64m ram box with no swap...
[05:15] <spitwise> WTF is LTS
[05:15] <Hasrat_USA> long term release
[05:15] <intelikey> !lts
[05:15] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[05:16] <fizzbane> Can anyone help me with grub booting windows. I got an error 13 when i tryed booting it.
[05:16] <spitwise> ya i only make a swap partition for superstitionisti reasons
[05:16] <jryhiggins_> nvidia
[05:16] <Hasrat_USA> spitwise: I have one gig DDR RAM but still I have a swap partition of 3 GB
[05:16] <jryhiggins_> !nvidia
[05:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <Hasrat_USA> !beryl
[05:16] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:16] <spitwise> damn you and your ginormous hd
[05:17] <Hasrat_USA> my HDD is only 160 GB
[05:17] <intelikey> fizzbane what options do you have set for it ?      active ?   noverify ?    chainloader +1  ?
[05:17] <ubuntu> im reading here that its a good idea to set the swap file to double the ram you have...
[05:17] <Hasrat_USA> I don't even know why the swap is 3 GB. I let the installer do everything on its own
[05:17] <fizzbane> my grub menu looks like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9188/
[05:17] <Hasrat_USA> Beryl flies in my puter :)
[05:18] <Bearcat> so if this printer is unsupported is there a basic driver i can use?
[05:18] <Hasrat_USA> after installing beryl i can't get away from the keyboard anymore :P
[05:18] <Takmadeus> Greetings
[05:18] <Joshooa> How do I get the volume knob on my keyboard working?
[05:18] <Takmadeus> I need some help
[05:18] <Takmadeus> I got ubuntu 6.06 installed
[05:18] <Joshooa> !leakd
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about leakd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <intelikey> Bearcat check with the manufacture   see if they supply a  PPD file.
[05:19] <Takmadeus> and today I got kubuntu dapper from shipit
[05:19] <Takmadeus> how do I install kubuntu desktop from CD?
[05:19] <Joshooa> !lineak
[05:19] <Bearcat> intelikey: it's a lexmark x2250.  i don't think they do.
[05:19] <spitwise> boot from cdrom
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lineak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <ubuntu> Whats up with the stupid num lock key with linux
[05:19] <intelikey> fizzbane 154 rooty           (hd1,0)
[05:19] <intelikey> ROOTY  ?
[05:19] <intelikey> :)
[05:20] <ubuntu> all the time, i have to turn it off then on again for it to work, even though it was ON to begin with!
[05:20] <fizzbane> it says rooty?!
[05:20] <Joshooa> Now listening to:Every Sunday by Smile Empty Soul on Smile Empty Soul
[05:20] <Joshooa> Hey neat it worked
[05:20] <Takmadeus> spitwise: but then when I do install it asks to reformat all the linux partitions
[05:20] <fizzbane> aww man
[05:20] <Takmadeus> spitwise: what to do then?
[05:20] <fizzbane> -_-
[05:20] <intelikey> lol
[05:20] <spitwise> um well if all your data is backed up say OK
[05:20] <spitwise> unless you have some ohter partitioning scheme in mind
[05:20] <intelikey> mounty the rooty of the pointy clicky thingy on ....
[05:21] <Takmadeus> spitwise: hmmm yet I wanna have both of them installed
[05:21] <fizzbane> haha
[05:21] <fizzbane> Is everything else ok?
[05:21] <intelikey> fizzbane let me look.
[05:21] <fizzbane> k thank you.
[05:22] <spitwise> both of wha?
[05:22] <intelikey> fizzbane i'm not sure if the root line should be before or after the map lines   but aside from that looks good.
[05:22] <Takmadeus> ubuntu desktop + kubuntu desktop
[05:22] <Fizzbane> thank you intelikey
[05:22] <spitwise> ubuntu=gnome window manager
[05:23] <intelikey> Fizzbane you can check it and if it works tell me that it is ok to put root after and next time i'll know.
[05:23] <spitwise> kubuntu=kde window manager if im not mistaken
[05:23] <Fizzbane> ok I will.
[05:23] <Fizzbane> I'll go try it out now.
[05:23] <Takmadeus> spitwise: exactly, I wanna have both options at session start
[05:23] <spitwise> not really sure the q Takmadeus
[05:23] <magez_> !kubuntu
[05:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[05:23] <Fizzbane> thank you.
[05:23] <magez_> !ubuntu
[05:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[05:24] <unix_infidel> anyone know how to adjust brightness in vlc?
[05:24] <intelikey> spitwise basic concept  yes.   actually  *ubuntu == ubuntu plus what ever desktop env.
[05:24] <Takmadeus> ubotu: yep, I understand that
[05:24] <spitwise> pick one and then install the other one later?
[05:24] <spitwise> should only be one on your cd
[05:24] <intelikey> install one and add the other desktops to it.
[05:24] <Joshooa> !xubuntu
[05:24] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[05:25] <spitwise> right
[05:25] <deep_> i need help getting my mic to work
[05:25] <Takmadeus> spitwise: yep, yet I have ubuntu completely updated, and I have looked for the kubuntu-desktop deb in the CD... no result so far
[05:25] <spitwise> intelikey: == my hero
[05:25] <spitwise> kubuntu-desktop from apt
[05:25] <Hasrat_USA> hell why go for lightweight xubuntu when you can go for KDE 3.5.6 and install Beryl afterwards!!
[05:25] <indygo> Is it usual to have trouble listening to music from the windows side of a dual boot disk?
[05:25] <washbear> intelikey - strange thing is that "init 6" (like "reboot" and "shutdown -h now") returns this: "init: Unable to send message: Connection refused"
[05:25] <Takmadeus> spitwise: got dialup, so it is quite difficult
[05:25] <ubuntu> I can never get beryl to work
[05:25] <spitwise> your obviously online, why not use apt?
[05:26] <spitwise> hmm
[05:26] <lupo> buon giorno
[05:26] <intelikey> spitwise if you want all the "kubuntu" defaults,   if you only want to add the kde experance  just install kde
[05:26] <Hasrat_USA> ubuntu say what? why?
[05:26] <spitwise> intelikey: it aint my q
[05:26] <Takmadeus> intelikey: i am the one in this mess :p
[05:26] <ubuntu> i dunno it just doesnt work
[05:26] <intelikey> washbear eeeek
[05:26] <spitwise> ok vlc is installed i can watch my pron
[05:27] <ubuntu> i run kubuntu, install my video card drivers, install beryl, try to load it and it just resets back to KDE
[05:27] <spitwise> :P
[05:27] <Takmadeus> intelikey: got dialup, so it is almost impossible to download like 230 megs
[05:27] <intelikey> Takmadeus if you want all the "kubuntu" defaults,   if you only want to add the kde experance  just install kde     same for xfce4
[05:27] <Fizzbane> Intelikey: I think you can have root after, I'm not certain because i am missing NTLDR.
[05:27] <Bearcat> Ok, There is no driver (ppd file) for this printer.  Is there a basic printer driver can use. So i cant get this printer to do a thing.  I'm afraid i'm gonna have to tell my client that if they wanna keep linux they have to get a new printer.
[05:27] <intelikey> Takmadeus yes. i'm on dialup.
[05:28] <deathnote> can i use mv command to move more than 1 file? eg: mv a b <destination>
[05:28] <intelikey> Fizzbane try putting it before and see if the same problem persists.
[05:28] <Hasrat_USA> ubuntu you mean you installed the legacy or the official/closed-source/proprietory drivers? which video card do you got and how much memory does it have?
[05:28] <Takmadeus> intelikey: plus taking into account that I theoretically have it all in the CD, so the question is: how do i get everything out from kubuntu Cd and install it along with ubuntu
[05:28] <Fizzbane> It says I'm missing the NTLDR.
[05:28] <ubuntu> i have the ATI AIW Radeon X800xt wich has 256mb of gddr3 ram
[05:29] <deathnote> intelikey: yesterday the usb cd drive.. i tried using another cd rom drive asus and it worked.. it doesn't work with tdk cd rom
[05:29] <deathnote> the installation of edgy
[05:29] <ubuntu> i installed the ATI drivers for it, from thier site
[05:29] <indygo> How can I play music files from the windows side of my partition on the linux side?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  you really didetn want to do it that way.
[05:29] <ubuntu> really?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !ati
[05:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <spitwise> indygo: mount that partition
[05:30] <indygo> I have, but I run into problems getting the files to play.  neither amarok nor kaffeine play the files...
[05:30] <ubuntu> whats the differance? runs better with linux drivers then the company that makes the card?
[05:30] <spitwise> filetype?
[05:30] <intelikey> Takmadeus mount the cd look for pool/  packages are in there.  but if you are talking about the liveCD i don't think you'll get much satisfaction out of that.   the alternate CD/DVD  yes.      man apt-cdrom
[05:30] <Hasrat_USA> duh ubuntu lol
[05:31] <indygo> .mp3
[05:31] <jryhiggins> ok i tryed again from scrath at installing my nvidia driver. when X tryed to start it says "setting resolution [1280x1024]  FAILLED" and so on through every resolution
[05:31] <lupo> hho un problema con beryl chimi aiuta?
[05:31] <Hasrat_USA> just read that file. dr willis knows better
[05:31] <ubuntu> or are they just hacked binary drivers of the original ati drivers to run with beryl?
[05:31] <Takmadeus> intelikey: got the live CD.... damn, so I have to get the alternate CD?
[05:31] <spitwise> indygo: you can play mp3 on linux partitions right?
[05:31] <Hasrat_USA> no ubuntu
[05:31] <intelikey> deathnote i'll make a note that "asus = good" "tdk = bad"
[05:31] <washbear> spitwise - yes
[05:32] <ubuntu> asus is god
[05:32] <Hasrat_USA> alternatively you can download and run milanoe's world-famous script to be done with driver installation, for all its worth
[05:32] <ubuntu> i love my P4V800D-X board
[05:32] <intelikey> Takmadeus to use as a repo   i think so.  but you can try the liveCD   i've been wrong before, that wouldn't be a first.
[05:32] <ubuntu> hasrat would you help me get beryl to work when im done installing this kubuntu?
[05:33] <Takmadeus> intelikey: I hope we can find a solution ASAP :p
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Beryl is not worth messing with at this time.. its still way flakey.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:33] <slyfox> What do you people use for Calendar and email? Kontact of Gmail and G Cal ?
[05:33] <spitwise> washbear: indygo whoever .. dunno .. if its mounted i dunno
[05:33] <ubuntu> is compiz stable?
[05:33] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:33] <Hasrat_USA> lol sly they all suck
[05:33] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:33] <Hasrat_USA> i use yahoo web mail
[05:33] <Dr_willis> !compwiz
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compwiz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[05:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:34] <slyfox> ubotu: Beryl sucks because you get no virtual desktops
[05:34] <Dr_willis> and for other reasons. as well. :)
[05:34] <Hasrat_USA> slyfox say what?
[05:34] <spitwise> maybe a permissions issue
[05:34] <Hasrat_USA> ubuntu yes i would. don't worry :)
[05:34] <ubuntu> i thought beryl has virtual desktops used on the cube?
[05:34] <Hasrat_USA> if there was no virtual desktop in beryl people wouldn't have gotten crazy over it :P
[05:34] <intelikey> Takmadeus did you try   apt-cdrom   ?
[05:34] <Hasrat_USA> ubuntu YES BERYL has it. you want proof?
[05:34] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: Just curious to what people use as I am trying to decide what to use for myself - Kontact or Gmail and Google Clanedar ?
[05:35] <ubuntu> i know beryl has it, lol, i seen the videos
[05:35] <intelikey> Takmadeus did you   man apt-cdrom   ?
[05:35] <ubuntu> i just wanna know what would be better to run, compiz or beryl
[05:35] <indygo> I guess I could burn them all to a disk, then rip them (or upload to website, download from, to save disks ) lol
[05:35] <Takmadeus> intelikey: trying
[05:36] <Hasrat_USA> hell i can show you my own live videos...i mean...for example...you tell me to take a screenshot or video of my beryl and i would do it and send to you with your first and last name printed on each video as proof lol only to prove that beryl has virtual desktops
[05:36] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: I want proof. With Beryl you get no virtual desktops as in each has its own taskbar, you jsut get different screens with the cube, but for mr hte point of a virtual desktop is that it has stuff seperate on its own from othe desktops
[05:36] <ubuntu> slyfox they are virtual desktops
[05:37] <Hasrat_USA> ubuntu and slyfox you send me pictures of your girlfriends (in case you don't have girlfriends, send pics of your moms LOL) and i will set them as wallpaper on each side of the cube, rotate them in the virtual world and send you the video :)
[05:37] <ubuntu> loaded into multiple formats, such as a box, a list, and others
[05:37] <ubuntu> my wife is hottttt
[05:37] <ubuntu> sorry, shes mine :-p
[05:37] <intelikey> Takmadeus and let me point out,  ubuntu is made for high-speed internet     it's very unfrindly to the dialup user in that everything about the packaging system is setup for internet use.   a distro like   a debian boxed set    would be much better for the dialup user.
[05:37] <Hasrat_USA> oh sorry slyfox you're right. yes beryl doesn't actually have that kind of 'true' desktop lol
[05:38] <Takmadeus> intelikey: I will get broadband in like 3 weeks
[05:38] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: Virtual screens is not virtual desktops. View Ports they are called in Beryl are not present in KDE. Point of virtual desktop is to have sepearate TASKBAR and progrmas running just relating to that virtual desktop. With Beryl you get one cluttered taskbar.
[05:38] <slyfox> Ok.
[05:38] <intelikey> Takmadeus then patients is a vertue
[05:38] <Hasrat_USA> so you're saying that compiz or xgl has them?
[05:38] <jryhiggins> can someone help me shed some light on this? "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia"
[05:38] <Takmadeus> intelikey: plus I have customized my ubuntu so much that it would be a pain to let it go :p
[05:39] <Takmadeus> intelikey: guess so :;p
[05:39] <Hasrat_USA> wait i think i saw something called viewport manager in kde. let me look at em by launching beryl manager
[05:39] <Takmadeus> intelikey: yet I hoped for kubuntu to work
[05:39] <Takmadeus> intelikey: in that way, that is :p
[05:39] <Dumahen> how can i clear binds cache ?
[05:40] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: well ?
[05:41] <jryhiggins> X is giving errors on loading the nvidia module and says "screens found but none have a usuable configuration"
[05:41] <intelikey> washbear you still there ?
[05:41] <ubuntu> 98% installing, woot
[05:42] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: well ? Anything ?
[05:42] <intelikey> washbear may sound like a no brainer but, did you try     exit   ?
[05:42] <Hasrat_USA> okay it kinda asks me to know if i have a viewport manager installed alongside Beryl, that would enable me to use different wallpapers, settings etc for different desktops
[05:43] <duff> hey y'all
[05:43] <duff> so, I'm a n00b...
[05:43] <Hasrat_USA> i have to find and install a viewport/desktop manager that would allow me to have 'real' virtual desktops, it seems
[05:43] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: kinda? The end result? Do you get seperate taskbars ?
[05:43] <duff> anyone want to help me mount my drives so I can see 'em?
[05:43] <jryhiggins> can someone help me with my xorg problem please?
[05:43] <slyfox> Hasrat_USA: Untill the day Beryl suppport real virtual desktops, I see it as useless
[05:43] <Hasrat_USA> slyfox the end result is that i will have to find and install a desktop manager that would enable me to do it and integrate it with Beryl
[05:44] <intelikey> !find viewport
[05:44] <Hasrat_USA> that's your opinion
[05:44] <slyfox> it is
[05:44] <ubotu> File viewport found in r-base-core
[05:44] <ubuntu> hasrat_USA ill be back this thing is done installing k?
[05:44] <Hasrat_USA> everybody is entitled to his own opinion
[05:44] <Hasrat_USA> um okay ubuntu
[05:44] <ubuntu> thanks man
[05:44] <Dr_willis> I sort of like that Mettiss (metiss) mettis? desktop i saw on the Mandriva live cd.
[05:44] <duff> anyone want to help a n00b?
[05:44] <Takmadeus> !find kubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <intelikey> Hasrat_USA not in some countries.
[05:44] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <Joshooa> How do I make Amarok or anything play my songs right and not skip and make funny noises>?
[05:45] <intelikey> s/u//
[05:45] <duff> need to mount hard drives so I see them in /media...
[05:45] <slyfox> Joshooa: #amarok
[05:45] <Joshooa> it was an ogg file, so shouldn't it work just fine?
[05:45] <Joshooa> Aw
[05:45] <Hasrat_USA> okay i would just keep my mouth shut regarding this beryl issue for a while :P
[05:45] <intelikey> !ntfs | duff
[05:45] <ubotu> duff: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:47] <Takmadeus> intelikey: thanks for the help :p
[05:47] <intelikey> np
[05:47] <Dr_willis> some days i think there needs to be a big "helper" program tht users can run to do the top 10 questions 'solutions' :) #1 feature would be mounting all the windows drives properly. heh
[05:47] <Dr_willis> I though the ubuntu installers was supposed to mount them automaticially?
[05:48] <unholyskorn> wow, linux kubuntu runs so much better with a 4gig swap file, gg
[05:48] <intelikey> their gui installer is a joke.
[05:48] <duff> the first time I tried installing, it did mount them automatically
[05:48] <duff> but not this time, for some reason
[05:49] <intelikey> unholyskorn better than what ?   a 30g one ?
[05:49] <unholyskorn> better then the standard that it installs
[05:50] <c0nv1ct> i got a 4g swap, but it rarely uses any of it
[05:50] <Hasrat_USA> even with beryl running, it says in the system monitor that not a single byte of my 3 GIG swap file is in use and that 242.3 MB out of 1010.3 MB physical ram is in use. what's wrong?
[05:50] <c0nv1ct> its using 11mb of it now..
[05:50] <intelikey> i think standard in that respect is a percentage of the total.
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i got 512bg swap and rarely use any. :)
[05:50] <userund> get more RAM.  I don't use swap at all.
[05:50] <nonuda_> Dr_willis, i still can't install kubuntu from hardrive, can u help with the configuration of the menu.lst?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> 'swap on, swap off.. the swapper'
[05:50] <c0nv1ct> lol Dr_willis, nice waste of space :P
[05:50] <Dr_willis> nonuda_,  from hard drive?
[05:50] <unholyskorn> userund i have 4 gigs of ram
[05:50] <nonuda_> yup..
[05:51] <c0nv1ct> heh, u dont even need a swap
[05:51] <Dr_willis> that was not a yes/no question.. :)
[05:51] <unholyskorn> i know
[05:51] <userund> unholyskorn: then you shouldn't use any swap
[05:51] <intelikey> userund me either
[05:51] <c0nv1ct> i got 2gb, and it doesnt use much
[05:51] <Dr_willis> ive never used any of the alternative isntall methods for ubuntu. so proberly cant help much.
[05:52] <intelikey> like i said eariler i run a box with 64m no swap  and run kde on it "some times"
[05:52] <chavo> hmm I just checked and my swap isnt even on
[05:52] <nonuda_> oh i see
[05:52] <Dr_willis> nonuda_,  why not clarify exactly WHAT you are doing and see who can help.
[05:52] <intelikey> chavo so you don't use swap either   :)
[05:53] <chavo> well I used to :)
[05:53] <chavo> I was installing some other distros and doing some tests today I must have done something to my swap partition
[05:54] <Joshooa> No one is in #amarok, can anyone here help me?
[05:54] <intelikey> i stoped having swap partitions when i stoped having partitions.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> i always put a little swap partition on all my hd's - just in case a live cd needs it. :)
[05:54] <nonuda_> ok..but i got to do some test..
[05:54] <userund> intelikey: lvm?
[05:54] <intelikey> no
[05:55] <washbear> intelikey - no, did not try (will do next time!, but for now it's ok, since the "passwd" change took effect after all (and i just rebooted with the power button :)
[05:55] <surgy> hey guys
[05:56] <Joshooa> hey surgy
[05:56] <userund> intelikey: what then?
[05:56] <intelikey> washbear i've never seen   init #  fail so i don't know that it would have helped you anyway....
[05:56] <intelikey> userund what do you mean ?
[05:57] <intelikey> oh you are curious about partitionless disks...
[05:57] <userund> intelikey: yes
[05:57] <Hasrat_USA> unholyskorn: okay. you're finished?
[05:57] <unholyskorn> Im updated kubuntu now
[05:57] <surgy> im trying to get 3d acceleration on my step dads comp. but everytime i configure the driver and restart x it cant seam to load the nvidia module, so i changed driver to "nv" and it works now, other than that his xorge looks fine to me, everything is almost the same as mine except for the device name. i need help please :)
[05:58] <Hasrat_USA> okay so it's all finished now? kde is up and running?
[05:58] <intelikey> can't use the gui installer to get there in any respectable manor  but the alternate can    just make a fs on the disk   no partitions needed   but grub can't boot it.  have to use lilo.
[05:58] <chavo> surgy, how did you install the driver?
[05:58] <unholyskorn> its running, but its doing its updates from adept
[05:58] <intelikey> userund basicly that's all there is to know.
[05:58] <userund> intelikey: hmm, interesting, never knew you could do that.
[05:58] <surgy> chavo: just like the how to says i downloaded nvidia-glx using apt-get and the ran the configure command
[05:58] <chavo> surgy, did you try -> sudo modprobe nvidia
[05:59] <Hasrat_USA> oh okay unholyskorn
[05:59] <Hasrat_USA> let adept adopt itself to the new environment :P
[05:59] <intelikey> userund floppy disks don't by default have partitions.   cd's don't by default have partitions...
[05:59] <deep_> can someone help me i have no mic in alsamixer
[05:59] <unholyskorn> ok done Hasrat_USA
[05:59] <intelikey> userund and my hard drives don't have partitions.
[06:00] <surgy> chavo: it wont load the nvidia module becuase i have it set as "nv" in xorg, when i set it to "nvidia" it gives me errors on loading the nvidia module
[06:00] <posingaspopular> !feisty
[06:00] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:00] <c0nv1ct> surgy: what error did you get when u had it set to 'nvidia' driver?
[06:01] <chavo> surgy, there's 2 parts to the nvidia driver, the kernel module and the video driver
[06:01] <surgy> FATAL: Error could not load the module nvidia
[06:01] <intelikey> userund when i first started testing with it i even tried a hybird half partitionless disk   with a partition table and one partition but the other half of the disk just formated ext2   it will work but it's hard to setup and can be very problematic
[06:01] <Hasrat_USA> okay. so you wanna give KDE sometime and play around with it or just go ahead with Beryl? by the way answer the following questions: do you have the proprietory driver of your video card installed? did you use Albert Milanoe's envy script to install the proprietory drivers? which version of Ubuntu? edgy dapper or feisty alpha?
[06:01] <chavo> surgy, did you install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:01] <surgy> chavo: yes
[06:02] <c0nv1ct> what nvidia driver did you install?
[06:02] <userund> intelikey: yes I don't know if I could do it.  I like /home on its own partition.  Of course I could mount it to another drive
[06:02] <c0nv1ct> 9746?
[06:02] <chavo> have you tried to run -> sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:02] <surgy> chavo: yes
[06:02] <c0nv1ct> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336412
[06:02] <c0nv1ct> follow those steps, should work for ya
[06:02] <chavo> surgy, ok and it loaded fine?
[06:02] <surgy> chavo: it cant load the module becuase i have it set to "nv" if i set it to "nvidia" it will not load the module anyways
[06:03] <surgy> chavo: yes
[06:03] <intelikey> userund yes.   all my hdd's are small  4g and such so using whole disk is not wasting any space really.  but someone with a three digit Gb disk would not want to format the whole disk for obvious reasons.
[06:03] <unholyskorn> Hasrat_USA im all done with updates
[06:04] <Joshooa> I'm getting ready to format my 200GB
[06:04] <Hasrat_USA> unholyskorn: i posted some questions for you to answer ^^^
[06:04] <unholyskorn> where?
[06:04] <Hasrat_USA> okay. so you wanna give KDE sometime and play around with it or just go ahead with Beryl? by the way answer the following questions: do you have the proprietory driver of your video card installed? did you use Albert Milanoe's envy script to install the proprietory drivers? which version of Ubuntu? edgy dapper or feisty alpha?
[06:04] <NixHex> anyone know of a good addon for thunderbird that allows sending encrypted messages that works in linux? enigmail won't install for some reason
[06:04] <intelikey> userund it's as simple as   mke2fs /dev/hda ;mount /dev/hda /target    and install...
[06:04] <userund> NixHex: there's a GPG extension
[06:05] <unholyskorn> I use Kubuntu, I wanna get Beryl installed and working with my video card.  I JUST installed Kubuntu so nothing is in it
[06:05] <chavo> surgy, is this an nvidia upgrade or new install?
[06:05] <surgy> chavo new install
[06:05] <chavo> ok
[06:05] <unholyskorn> Kubuntu Edgy
[06:05] <NixHex> userund: yes, but the actual addon for thunderbird is enigmail...
[06:05] <surgy> chavo yeah i gotta go to sleep, but thnx for the help, ill be working on it more tommorow
[06:06] <NixHex> userund: that uses GPG
[06:06] <chavo> yeah I lost man sorry
[06:06] <chavo> Im lost*
[06:06] <Bearcat> alright, i am really confused. I can't burn a cd. I have made sure that the user is in the "burning" group, that the k3b set up is set to use the burning group. The cd/dvd drive is /dev/scd0 but k3b complains about not having exclusive access to /dev/sg0.   How do i find out what sg0 is?
[06:07] <Hasrat_USA> unholyskorn: but for Beryl to work, at first you have to make sure that 3d Acceleration is enabled in your OS
[06:07] <unholyskorn> ok, how do i do that?
[06:07] <unholyskorn> i have a ATI AIW Radeon X800Xt, it is AGP8x
[06:07] <unholyskorn> 256MB GDDR3 Ram
[06:07] <chavo> ooh ATI fun fun fun!
[06:08] <intelikey> Bearcat you ask in here.    scsi devices have a controler device sg#   that's it.
[06:08] <userund> NixHex: why won't it install?  I just installed enigmail extension no problem
[06:08] <surgy> chavo: np thnx
[06:08] <NixHex> userund: it doesn't work with 64bit thunderbird
[06:09] <userund> NixHex: ah
[06:09] <Hasrat_USA> unholyskorn: type wget http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/nvidia/scripts/envy_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb in the kterminal
[06:09] <Bearcat> intelikey: ahh. the "scsi" controller is a 2 port sata controler. So that has to be under the "burning" user too?!
[06:09] <intelikey> Bearcat there you go
[06:10] <unholyskorn> why does that say nvidia?
[06:10] <Bearcat> intelikey: and can i assume that the "run k3bset up" won't stick past the reboot unless i alter the udev set up?
[06:10] <nonuda_> i have a laptop with winxp in it, i have created 3 partition, first partition is 9 gb for the winxp, 2nd is 500mb for the swap file and 3rd is 5 gb for kubuntu...and i have copy all the file from kubuntu cd into the first partition and put them in c:/kubuntu...then create a grub bootloader..the bootloader works fine..i can boot using vmlinuz and initrd.gz from in c:/kubuntu/casper/ but the boot process stuck it said "ALERT! /dev/rd/0 does not exist.
[06:10] <nonuda_> Dropping to a shell!"
[06:11] <intelikey> yes you can assume that Bearcat,  and be quite right in your assumption as well.
[06:11] <nonuda_> it seem because the configuration of the menu.lst file
[06:11] <Bearcat> intelikey: yay! ...wait. BOO!
[06:11] <null___> How can I tell from the command line what version of Kubuntu I have?  (I mean the cool code names like Drake or such)
[06:12] <intelikey> Bearcat ?
[06:12] <Hasrat_USA> you have to disregard that unholyskorn
[06:12] <stdin> !version | null___
[06:12] <ubotu> null___: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[06:12] <unholyskorn> ok, i have it and its in my folder
[06:12] <stdin> nonuda_: can't you just boot from the CD?
[06:12] <null___> cool, edgy :)
[06:12] <nonuda_> don't have cdrom
[06:12] <Hasrat_USA> okay. just to convince you, i would say that the word 'nvidia' in the url doesn't signify or state that it's only for nvidia cards
[06:13] <nonuda_> i copy the kubuntu file from cd using another PC
[06:13] <intelikey> Bearcat on the outside chance that something is accessing the device "watching for inserted disks"   fuser /dev/sg0   might tell you
[06:13] <unholyskorn> ok hasrat_USA i got the file, what now?
[06:13] <larson9999> 2nd life for linux... wasn't so bad
[06:13] <stdin> nonuda_: ahh, so you want to boot the install from windows
[06:14] <casev01> hi
[06:14] <nonuda_> yup
[06:14] <casev01> how can i mount a *.uif image to browse within it?
[06:14] <intelikey> ok guys i'm out for a bit.    time to make rounds again.   well almost time....
[06:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> uif  image? thats a new one for me.
[06:15] <Hasrat_USA> okay, unholyskorn. now type sudo dpkg -i envy_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:16] <stdin> Dr_willis: http://www.filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=uif&Search=Search apparently it's a compressed format
[06:16] <casev01> envy is so nice
[06:16] <Dr_willis> never needed to use envy. :)
[06:16] <casev01> me neither
[06:16] <casev01> xD
[06:17] <casev01> but i tested it, and is nice
[06:17] <stdin> nonuda_: I don't know about that error
[06:17] <casev01> good bye
[06:18] <nonuda_> stdin, can u tell me how to install kubuntu from windows?
[06:18] <Hasrat_USA> if envy wasn't written, they might have come up with a book titled "installing proprietory drivers for dummies" lol
[06:18] <stdin> nonuda_: all I know about it is from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[06:19] <unholyskorn> hasrat i did it but theres tons of errors i believe...
[06:20] <nonuda_> yes i have read it..and follow it..but not succed
[06:20] <Hasrat_USA> um unholy such as?
[06:20] <unholyskorn> did u get all my PM's?
[06:20] <Hasrat_USA> oh and did you add/enable extra repositories?
[06:20] <Hasrat_USA> oh yes hold on
[06:21] <Hasrat_USA> omg
[06:21] <unholyskorn> ?
[06:21] <Hasrat_USA> why is python not installed?
[06:21] <unholyskorn> i dunno...
[06:21] <unholyskorn> all i did was install kubuntu and update it
[06:22] <jhutchins> Because python is unnecessary and irrelevant?
[06:22] <Hasrat_USA> go to a terminal and type python and see what happens
[06:22] <Hasrat_USA> jhut oh what makes you say that?
[06:23] <Hasrat_USA> it's a great language for newbie programmers
[06:23] <Hasrat_USA> specially those new to unix environment
[06:23] <jhutchins> Oh, just the proliferation of redundant languages/environments.  We have C, we have assembler, we have bash.  What more do we realy need?  Python, ruby, php, pearl, whatever else is the flavor-of-the-week.
[06:23] <Hasrat_USA> okay python interpreter is installed
[06:24] <jhutchins> Just makin' noise I guess, n'mind.
[06:24] <unholyskorn> hasrat, one side question, how do you add/remove repositories from apt manager manually?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> I thouhg it was installed by default.. never noticed...
[06:24] <Dr_willis> unholyskorn,  you can always edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[06:24] <jhutchins> s/pearl/perl/
[06:24] <unholyskorn> thanks dr_willis
[06:24] <Hasrat_USA> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:25] <jhutchins> What's apt written in?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> C would be my guess..
[06:26] <Hasrat_USA> what's beryl written in?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> C would be my guess..
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:26] <Bearcat> Hasrat_USA: cobol :P
[06:26] <Dr_willis> lisp
[06:27] <Hasrat_USA> my guess is BASIC
[06:27] <unholyskorn> it says invalid syntax when i try to do sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Linux is all written in VisualBasic...
[06:27] <Hasrat_USA> if you spend a whole decade on visual basic it might be possible to come up with an OS written in it
[06:27] <Hasrat_USA> but to do that you have to code a lot
[06:28] <Hasrat_USA> zillions and zillions of lines all written in visual basic
[06:28] <Dr_willis> AMOS :) for you old timers.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> blitzbasic
[06:29] <unholyskorn> ok Hasrat_USA, what do i do for this beryl thing?
[06:29] <unholyskorn> that script didnt seem to work
[06:29] <Hasrat_USA> unless and until you're done with properly installing appropriate proprietory drivers for your card and enabling 3D acceleration, i can't proceed
[06:30] <Hasrat_USA> because if i do, you would blame me when beryl would crash :P
[06:30] <Dr_willis> plus it would be dog slow...
[06:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:30] <Dr_willis> but my dog is rather fast...
[06:30] <d0uglas> i'd like to have a directory synced up with a remote server's directory in the background (via ftp?) whenever there are modifications to anything within that folder (or done periodically) so Momma can have her docs backed up on my coloed box
[06:30] <d0uglas> any suggestions?
[06:30] <Hasrat_USA> it won't be NOTHING, since beryl wouldn't run at all :P
[06:30] <Dr_willis> ive seen beryl run on the nv driver I belive.
[06:30] <Hasrat_USA> hell without proprietory drivers composite won't even run
[06:31] <Dr_willis> on some live cd...
[06:31] <unholyskorn> ok so what do i do to get the drivers installed?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> but heck.. i dont like it anyway. :)
[06:31] <unholyskorn> and, why didnt that script work"
[06:31] <Hasrat_USA> um...
[06:32] <ttread> d0uglas: rsync
[06:32] <d0uglas> thanks
[06:33] <Hasrat_USA> i bet i can't really say why
[06:34] <unholyskorn> :(
[06:34] <Hasrat_USA> hmm
[06:34] <unholyskorn> should i go through that whole list and install all the packagesit says it needs but arnt installed?
[06:34] <null___> interesting.
[06:34] <unholyskorn> like, python-gtk2 etc...
[06:34] <null___> whoa
[06:34] <null___> that's what i'm installing RIGHT now
[06:35] <null___> o.o
[06:35] <null___> proof that life is fake
[06:35] <d0uglas> ttread: does rsync need anything special done on the other server on which i dont have root or should i just go ahead and start manning it
[06:35] <unholyskorn> yah i need all these programs hasrat...
[06:35] <null___> null@localhosts:~/Desktop$ sudo aptitude install tango-icon-theme-common tango-icon-theme python2.4-gtk2 pytong 2.4-glade2 python-vte gksu libgnomeui-0 python-gnome2-extras
[06:35] <Hasrat_USA> that might be a better idea and doing so won't harm ya unholy
[06:35] <Hasrat_USA> rofl null
[06:35] <unholyskorn> thanks man, ill do that now and update ya :-p
[06:35] <Hasrat_USA> ok
[06:36] <Hasrat_USA> this python s***!
[06:36] <ttread> d0uglas, I don't actually know
[06:36] <unholyskorn> lol, i just did a select all, request install lol
[06:36] <unholyskorn> and adept just shit itself
[06:37] <null___> why is the automatix site down?
[06:37] <Hasrat_USA> lol is it finally down? FINALLY?
[06:38] <Hasrat_USA> easyubuntu's site should be hacked and destroyed too!
[06:38] <Dr_willis> heh...
[06:38] <unholyskorn> man, i wish xfire worked with linux, such bull
[06:38] <Dr_willis> the lesser of 2 unneeded rvils..
[06:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <Dr_willis> evile.
[06:40] <unholyskorn> if xfire worked on linux it would be sweet
[06:40] <unholyskorn> but noooo, lol
[06:40] <Dr_willis> xfire?
[06:40] <unholyskorn> yes, xfire
[06:40] <unholyskorn> its a chat program
[06:40] <Dr_willis> that game/im client?
[06:40] <colorsoundboy> epson V10 scanner is not working :| but in sane-find-scanner it is there how can i enable this scanner
[06:40] <unholyskorn> skins itself into all your games, etc...
[06:40] <Dr_willis> I thogh they got bought out, or sued or somthing.. heh heh.. or both...
[06:41] <Dr_willis> games are for the weak. :)
[06:41] <unholyskorn> well, i use it to talk to friends sometimes, i got a couple that only use xfire, no aim or anything
[06:42] <Dr_willis> IRC - the way it should be.! :)
[06:43] <unholyskorn> OMG, it worked
[06:43] <frit> hello
[06:43] <frit> :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> hi
[06:43] <Hasrat_USA> unholy what?
[06:43] <unholyskorn> xfire worked
[06:43] <unholyskorn> i installed it with wine
[06:43] <unholyskorn> must of fixed it with a new version of wine
[06:43] <unholyskorn> i tried it a couple months ago and it didnt work, sweet
[06:44] <Lam_> a couple of months is a pretty long time for linux development
[06:44] <Lam_> everything moves too fast
[06:44] <NDPowerBook> Ok time for bed.
[06:44] <frit> lol
[06:44] <Dr_willis> or not fast enough.
[06:44] <frit> right
[06:44] <frit> ^^
[06:45] <Bearcat> does anyone in here use the wildfire jabber server and know of an irc room where i canget help
[06:45] <unholyskorn> how do i force a program to close?
[06:45] <colorsoundboy> Ok thanks for helping or any further tips is this linux :-|
[06:45] <Hasrat_USA> i gotta go too. gotta drink some water and crash
[06:45] <unholyskorn> k hasrat, later man
[06:45] <Hasrat_USA> laterz
[06:46] <unholyskorn> ill try to fix this
[06:46] <Dr_willis> unholyskorn,  could use 'xkill' from a command line. or use the kill command, if you get the programs pid wth 'ps'
[06:46] <unholyskorn> what was the command to run that script again?
[06:46] <frit> unholyskorn:  u can use ps aux
[06:46] <Hasrat_USA> okay, unholyskorn. now type sudo dpkg -i envy_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:46] <frit> & kill process using the kill cmd
[06:47] <unholyskorn> k cool
[06:48] <NixHex> errr...so I take it that you uninstall akregator or bluetooth stuff without uninstalling Kubuntu-desktop....sucky
[06:49] <userund> NixHex: they're working on fixing that for fiesty.
[06:49] <deus17> hi
[06:49] <NixHex> I'm in feisty
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu-Desktop  is just a Meta-Package
[06:49] <Dr_willis> so removeing it.. really dosent  do much. :)
[06:49] <NixHex> Dr_willis: but without it...I have a gamma problem
[06:50] <deus17> im new of the kubuntu and just installed it, i have a little problem... i have download the latest version of firefox.. but how does i install it ?
[06:50] <deus17> i know you writing something in the console.. but what? ^^
[06:50] <NixHex> deus17: its in the repos
[06:50] <flaccid> deus17: what version of ubuntu and what version of firefox?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> NixHex,  thats.. weird... Kubuntu-desktop dosent actually do anything at all.. its just a  package with a lot of other packages a a depenecnecy
[06:50] <NixHex> deus17: use adept
[06:50] <frit> sudo apt-get install firefox deus17
[06:50] <deus17> is that all? or do i have so set the location in the command also?
[06:51] <deus17> sudo apt-get install firefox ? ^^
[06:51] <frit> use tab
[06:51] <frit> but yes it's that :)
[06:51] <userund> deus17: you shouldn't install it from the website, you should install it from the repositories.  the 'sudo' command posted above will do that for you
[06:51] <NixHex> Dr_willis: yep, if kubuntu-desktop, always have a gamma problem...think it might be that I am using a widescreen HD monitor
[06:51] <frit> after that to launch it press alt + f2 & type firefox
[06:52] <flaccid> unless he wants a later version thatn what is in the repos
[06:52] <deus17> sorry i dont understund.. i tried to install it as you said with this command: sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:52] <deus17> it could not found the package it said...
[06:52] <deus17> so ? any tip?
[06:52] <flaccid> frit: alt + f2 won't work if windows shortcuts are being used or custom ;0
[06:52] <Dr_willis> NixHex,  that makes.. err.. no sence at all. :)
[06:52] <flaccid> [2007-03-08 16:50]  <flaccid> deus17: what version of ubuntu and what version of firefox?
[06:52] <frit> ho flaccid it's not "onboard" ? :o
[06:53] <NixHex> deus17: may have to update your sources.list
[06:53] <flaccid> frit: onboard?
[06:53] <NixHex> !source-o-matic > deus17
[06:53] <Hasrat_USA> either i have to get up from bed and take care of myself or beryl is gonna kill me...(it's THAT addictive *warning*) cyao all have a great night
[06:53] <NixHex> Dr_willis: yeah, but thats what happens
[06:53] <frit> lol flaccid sry for my bad english ^^ imeant on all linux dstribs ?
[06:54] <deus17> hmm il try!
[06:54] <flaccid> frit: don't know what you mean. you can change shortcuts you know or choose a scheme from the kde assistant wizard thing
[06:54] <NixHex> deus17: also, you could just run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[06:54] <flaccid> i don't see why you need to rebuild the sources list...
[06:54] <NixHex> deus17: cause it could be that it just doesn't know where to get it from
[06:55] <frit> ok flaccid i thought it would works using apt-get install
[06:55] <flaccid> deus17: so yeah what version of firefox did you want, and what version of ubuntu do you have?
[06:55] <frit> because he can't find the package  :p
[06:55] <NixHex> flaccid: the repo has the latest version
[06:55] <deus17> i have updated the source list now.. but i the thing is that it opened in kate... so does i have to save and open with commands agian? ^
[06:55] <flaccid> frit: im talking about the shortcut alt+f2
[06:55] <deus17> dont know wich version.. :( sorry
[06:55] <flaccid> NixHex: indeed it does. what if you are on dapper and you want v2?
[06:56] <flaccid> !firefox
[06:56] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:56] <flaccid> !find firefox
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-firefox-locale-ar, mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-in, mozilla-firefox-locale-ca (and 57 others)
[06:56] <flaccid> !mozilla-firefox
[06:56] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 55 kB, installed size 116 kB
[06:56] <frit> flaccid:  me too , so i thought that after apt-get install firefox to launch it u juste have to alt + f2 + firefox :p
[06:56] <flaccid> frit: you don't understand. alt+f2 won't work if you have windows shortcuts on
[06:57] <Lam_> is there something i can use to have my computer turn itself on at a certain time of day?
[06:57] <NixHex> flaccid: if you just installed...don't see why you would install dapper over edgy
[06:57] <flaccid> deus17: if you are happy with the version , enable the universe repos if not already then update the source list
[06:57] <Dr_willis> windows shortcuts - messes with a lot of thiings.
[06:57] <flaccid> NixHex: lots of possible reasons
[06:57] <deus17> can anyone explain how to update the sourcelist?
[06:58] <frit> flaccid:  ok flaccid i get it know ! how to enable shortcuts so ?
[06:58] <flaccid> Dr_willis: like what?
[06:58] <flaccid> deus17: sudo apt-get update
[06:58] <deus17> aha.. thank you! :)
[06:58] <Dr_willis> alt-space for Katapult for one. :)
[06:59] <flaccid> you can change that too
[06:59] <flaccid> a conflict is not really a problem
[06:59] <flaccid> its more a logical thing
[06:59] <kkempter> Anyone know if I can use the CUPS interface (localhost:631) to define / manae my printers in Edgy eft? Does it require any additional packages/setup?
[07:00] <flaccid> kkempter: the admin in kcontrol is good for it
[07:00] <frit> how add symbolic links to launch apps ? like skype
[07:00] <flaccid> iirc you don't need extra packages
[07:00] <frit> +to
[07:00] <deus17> i updated the source list.. and wrote sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:00] <deus17> but now it wants me to put in cd or anything? i dont understand ^^
[07:00] <flaccid> frit: ln -s for cli. right click in gui
[07:00] <kkempter> is the admin in kcontrol the same as the KDE printer configuration tool?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> kkempter,  at one time  using the web interface was disabled..
[07:01] <flaccid> deus17: your sources.list must be using the CD
[07:01] <Dr_willis> kkempter,  you can use the kde printer config. it does the same stuff.
[07:01] <flaccid> kkempter: i believe so there is a cups admin button somewhere
[07:01] <deus17> aha just tell me that from the beginning ^^
[07:01] <deus17> hihi
[07:01] <flaccid> deus17: we didn't know what your sources.list was..
[07:01] <kkempter> Is the web interface now enabled in Edgy eft?
[07:01] <deus17> aha okay
[07:03] <flaccid> iirc cups web interface is set to localhost only
[07:03] <flaccid> or not enabled. one of the too
[07:03] <niles> hi
[07:03] <niles> hi gang
[07:03] <niles> i wrote a copy constructor but i still get an error of simpleIndexedFile.cpp:20: no match for `recordFile<simpleIndex>& = simpleIndex& ' operator
[07:04] <niles> does this mean a copy constructor wont work with out haveing a = overloaded as well?
[07:04] <niles> or did i not write the copy constructor correctly.
[07:08] <unholyskorn> i got a problem now guys
[07:08] <unholyskorn> i start adept manager, and it says its being used by another source, but its not and ive restarted the x server and it still says it
[07:08] <niles> oh wrong chat room sorry
[07:09] <Nix_Hex> unholyskorn: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:09] <progek> When using konqueror, clearing cache and browsing history does not seem to clean out the browser. Fore example, after doing that and deleting cookies konqueror still autocompletes login names in websites :/
[07:10] <progek> any way to clean it out?
[07:10] <duke> have you checked the settings
[07:10] <progek> under config konqueror ?
[07:10] <duke> you can specify it to 0 days in history
[07:10] <unholyskorn> thanks nix_hex
[07:10] <duke> i belive it is config
[07:11] <progek> duke thanks, but after I delete it shouldn't it not be there?
[07:11] <progek> the history is gone but not login names for websites visited
[07:11] <duke> hmm
[07:11] <progek> it still auto completes them
[07:11] <NixHex> progek: form info isn't stored in history or cookies
[07:11] <progek> ah ok
[07:12] <progek> where is form data stored?
[07:12] <NixHex> looking for exact location
[07:12] <progek> thanks
[07:12] <duke> must be a config file..
[07:12] <NixHex> settings > configuration > web behavior
[07:12] <chavo> progek, ~/.kde/share/apps/khtml/formcompletions
[07:13] <progek> thanks a ton guys
[07:14] <progek> I noticed a few days ago trying to remove konqueror will remove kubuntu-desktop. So everything is pretty dependent on it?
[07:15] <Bearcat> alright, my experiance with udev is limited. What rule do i change so that /dev/sg0 and /dev/scd0 are group "burning"
[07:15] <NixHex> anyone know how to get konqueror to select all when clicking url bar? don't like double click
[07:17] <Bearcat> NixHex: click and drag?
[07:17] <NixHex> ....no, single click and have it all selected
[07:17] <NixHex> no dragging
[07:17] <flaccid> that would be a pain
[07:18] <flaccid> actually it be ok if right click was cursor at position
[07:18] <flaccid> i'm out
[07:19] <deus_> 
[07:19] <unholyskorn> how do i share a drive over the network
[07:19] <deus17>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <smoke>
[07:19] <deus17> opps
[07:19] <deus17> hehe
[07:19] <unholyskorn> i try to do it using properties but it says i need permissions
[07:20] <stdin> deus17: time for a new password :P
[07:20] <Bearcat> NixHex: i don't think you can. You can right-click and "select all"
[07:20] <deus17> yepp i change it right now ^^
[07:20] <deus17> hehe
[07:20] <NixHex> unholyskorn: how are you trying to share?
[07:20] <Bearcat> anyone feel like helping me with a udev issue? I want to change the group on my cd devices to "burning"
[07:20] <unholyskorn> i want my xbox to pick it up
[07:21] <unholyskorn> through workgroup smb share or anything
[07:21] <NixHex> bearcat: thats not single click...but yeah figured you can't ...but someone could have different info
[07:22] <stdin> Bearcat: I'm no expert (by a long way), but maybe in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules change "ATTR{type}=="5",                        GROUP="cdrom"" to "ATTR{type}=="5",                        GROUP="burning""
[07:22] <NixHex> unholyskorn: don't think you can, Xbox will only speak to windows (XP even requires a driver for it)
[07:22] <Bearcat> stdin: sweet I'll try that
[07:22] <unholyskorn> you can make a smb server or whatever in linux
[07:23] <stdin> NixHex: tried asking in #kde ?
[07:23] <unholyskorn> got it, smbfs
[07:24] <NixHex> stdin: for the single click thing?
[07:24] <stdin> NixHex: yeah, they'd know more about the inner workings of konq there
[07:26] <NixHex> unholyskorn: smbfs got xbox to see it? cause I have always had smbfs and have to get Xbox to see it, but it never has
[07:27] <NixHex> have yet**
[07:27] <unholyskorn> all you gotta do is install a smb server for linux, then goto properties on the drive and manage it
[07:27] <NixHex> stdin: true, that would be smart
[07:30] <nonuda_> stdin, can u assist me to follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies
[07:30] <stdin> nonuda_: I can try
[07:32] <nonuda_> ok now can i PM u? or we do it in here?
[07:32] <NixHex> don't know what unholy skorn was talking about....but Xbox cannot connect to a linux machine yet....
[07:32] <c0nv1ct> an xbox running linux?
[07:32] <d0uglas> how can i go about burning a .dmg (mac image)?
[07:32] <stdin> nonuda_: in here is probably better, so others can jump in if they have info
[07:33] <frit> k3b d0uglas ?
[07:33] <deus17> anyone here that are good in C?
[07:33] <NixHex> c0nv1ct: no, xbox to connect to a linux computer....an xbox running linux is easy
[07:33] <egerg> How can I have verbose text output on startup/shutdown?
[07:33] <d0uglas> k3b: thanks.. didn't know it could do dmgs
[07:33] <Hasrat_USA> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHAdVv6KFJc
[07:33] <d0uglas> or is an image an image
[07:34] <deus17> is here anybody who know something about .c?
[07:34] <deus17> c++?
[07:34] <frit> i don't know d0uglas sorry :/
[07:34] <egerg> um, go to #c++
[07:34] <frit> lol egerg
[07:34] <deus17> ok
[07:34] <deus17> thx
[07:34] <egerg> now gimme verbose on startup
[07:35] <egerg> i wanna see what it does
[07:35] <egerg> >_<
[07:35] <egerg> durrr
[07:35] <egerg> i am retarded
[07:35] <egerg> "no splash" is an option in system manager
[07:35] <egerg> *system settings
[07:36] <stdin> egerg: remove "splash" and possably "quiet" from the kernel options in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:38] <nonuda_> stdin, i can't get the usb-uhci, usb-storage and usbcore, dead link! can we step this proces? since i have copy the iso file in one of my partition hd?
[07:39] <stdin> nonuda_: what part of the guide are you on?
[07:40] <nonuda_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies --- Setting up for Pre-Installation
[07:43] <nonuda_> stdin, i mean skip this proces since i have the iso file in one of my partition hdd
[07:44] <stdin> nonuda_: hmm, I'm pretty sure you can skip it
[07:44] <nonuda_> coz the those usb file are needed to transfer the iso file
[07:44] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah
[07:45] <deus17> how to install flash player with command?
[07:45] <Bearcat> stdin: These are sata devices, but i think i get it just looking at the file. Thank you.
[07:45] <deus17> sudo apt-get install flashplayer ?
[07:46] <deus17> does not work ...
[07:46] <stdin> deus17: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:46] <nonuda_> ok then, but i confuse in the Pre-Installation step...where should i begin? i have boot my laptop using tombrtBt floppy disk
[07:47] <stdin> Bearcat: sata uses the scsi subsystem, so it should work
[07:47] <deus17> does not work stdin :/
[07:47] <stdin> deus17: you need to enable multiverse then
[07:47] <deus17> how does i do that?
[07:47] <stdin> !repos | deus17
[07:47] <ubotu> deus17: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:48] <deus17> thx
[07:49] <Joshooa> If I install Kubuntu from CD, will I still have all the Gnome stuff that comes with Ubuntu, or just KDE stuff?
[07:49] <NixHex> ok, #ubuntu+1 is way to quiet....anyone using feisty and network printer using LPD?
[07:50] <Joshooa> and I mean from DVD
[07:50] <NightBird> uh...
[07:50] <NightBird> Joshooa: you'll have the kde stuff installed, but the dvd will probably have gnome-desktop as well
[07:50] <NightBird> so you could install that package from the dvd and be ready to go
[07:50] <deathnote> how to grep more than 1 string ? eg: grep abc *         and         grep xyz *       together
[07:51] <yettenet> How can I disable the notifications of giving/taking voice?
[07:51] <Joshooa> NightBird: I don't want Gnome stuff, it doesn't work in Kubuntu anyway
[07:51] <yettenet> In Konversation, I mean
[07:51] <NightBird> Joshooa: uh... yes it would assuming you have the libraries installed
[07:51] <dave_> hey all
[07:51] <NightBird> hi dave_
[07:51] <Joshooa> NightBird: No, they don't. I used Ubuntu and they worked, the games and stuff, went to Kubuntu, they don't
[07:51] <stdin> nonuda_: seeing as you already have the iso on the disk, move to the "Booting into the Installation" section, you'll need to replace /vmlinuz with the place you saved the iso files to, eg: if you saved it to C:\kubuntu\ then it'll be /kubuntu/vmlinuz and do the same with the /initrd.img part
[07:52] <dave_> umm im new to this kubuntu and im having a tad of trouble getting things happening
[07:52] <NightBird> Joshooa: there is no reason why gnome programs wouldn't work in kde assuming that all of the libraries are installed
[07:52] <Joshooa> NightBird: Nothing from Gnome works, it just opens grey screens and I have to terminate them
[07:52] <c0nv1ct> like what dave_
[07:52] <nonuda_> ok..
[07:52] <Joshooa> !kde
[07:52] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:52] <Joshooa> NightBird: They worked, I did that sudo apt thing there, and now they don't
[07:52] <Joshooa> NightBird: Unless I go back to using Gnome
[07:52] <stdin> deathnote: egrep '(abc|xyz)' filename
[07:53] <Joshooa> NightBird: But I'd rather just not install them, so if I use the Kubuntu, can I choose not to install them?
[07:53] <NightBird> Joshooa: so you installed kde from ubuntu, and gnome programs stoped working in kde..
[07:53] <dave_> ummm.. i need to get synaptic i think, i used this program a few months ago and one again i am  sick of windows so i wanna try this again
[07:53] <Joshooa> NightBird: Yes
[07:53] <NightBird> kubuntu has it's own variants of all of the basic programs
[07:53] <dave_> just cant remeber the codes i need
[07:53] <NightBird> that use kde
[07:53] <c0nv1ct> dave_: synaptic package manager?
[07:53] <Joshooa> That's what I thought
[07:53] <NightBird> so you probably won't have many gnome programs
[07:53] <Joshooa> So I was hoping I just wouldn't have any of the Gnome stuff so I wouldn't have to worry about it
[07:54] <Joshooa> Good, I thought it might just install them all, cause I had heard that the Gnome stuff should be working
[07:54] <Joshooa> So I figured I'd get Gnome and KDE stuff
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> dave_: what are you trying to accomplish?
[07:54] <dave_> yep thats it but last time i did it i realt stuffed the source code up and somone just ended up giving me there source code for it sorry i dont understand all this yet cant remeber this much
[07:54] <nonuda_> stdin, so now i insert the grub disk right? and turn off the laptop then turn it on again...
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> dave_: if you are running Kubuntu, use Adept Manager instead
[07:55] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah
[07:55] <dave_> umm toget get different softare on a thats what i used last time , but cant remeber how i  got it last time
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> dave_: are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[07:55] <dave_> Kubuntu!
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> dave_: then use Adept Manager, its the same as synaptic, but for KDE
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> dave_: its under
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> dave_: System in the menu
[07:56] <thomax> c0nv1ct: synaptic just works fine under kde to
[07:56] <nonuda_> stdin, my laptop won't boot from grub disk, hmm what's wrong?
[07:56] <premier_> hello,  I just had Krita crash while trying to load a very large image.  I think the problem may be that linux is not detecting my computer's swap partition, so it ran out of memory
[07:56] <dave_> ok and  every thing thats availible to download is on that yeh?
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> thomax: yeah, but why use it, when Adept Manager works just as good, and is for QTR
[07:56] <NightBird> dave_: yes
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> QT*
[07:56] <nonuda_> my laptop boot to the OS chooser
[07:57] <dave_> awww i remember why now !
[07:57] <yettenet> Can anyone tell me how to disable notifications of giving/taking voice in Konversation?
[07:57] <thomax> c0nv1ct: I personally find it easyer to use
[07:57] <NightBird> nonuda_: so it's botting from the disk you installed grub to?
[07:57] <c0nv1ct> dave_: they both do the same thing, one is written for Gnome, the other for KDE, both will work though
[07:57] <dave_> i couldnt get my mp3's to play
[07:57] <stdin> nonuda_: did you make the disks right, by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy too?
[07:57] <dave_> ahh ok
[07:57] <premier_> nightbird: is it under settings>notifications?
[07:57] <NightBird> !mp3
[07:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:57] <thomax> dave_: install mp3 support
[07:57] <NightBird> premier_: wha?
[07:58] <nonuda_> stdin, yes...
[07:58] <deus17> before i go to work i have one last question ^^
[07:58] <premier_> NightBird: on the menu bar, go to settings, and go to configure notifications
[07:58] <nonuda_> how to check it in my kubuntu box?
[07:58] <deus17> how does i get world of warcraft on ubuntu system???
[07:58] <c0nv1ct> thomax: i find Adept to be a bit more robust, but its all up to personal preference
[07:58] <NightBird> premier_: wrong person
[07:58] <stdin> nonuda_: and is the laptop set to boot from the floppy drive first? in the bios?
[07:58] <premier_> oh sorry
[07:58] <thomax> c0nv1ct: yes indeed :)
[07:58] <dave_> OK ILL HAVE A TRY
[07:58] <dave_> :) THANKS
[07:58] <NightBird> deus17: that would require wine
[07:58] <premier_> man, trick of the eyes
[07:58] <deus17> thats all?
[07:58] <c0nv1ct> deus17: use wine or some other windows emulator
[07:58] <nonuda_> stdin, yup
[07:59] <stdin> c0nv1ct: wine is not a windows emulator
[07:59] <NightBird> deus17: yeah... there are other variants of the windows api, some focus on games over general improvements
[07:59] <premier_> c0nv1ct: what other windows emulators are there, besides wine derivatives
[07:59] <deathnote> ooooooooo thanks stdin
[07:59] <NightBird> but wine is the base for many of those
[07:59] <premier_> "compatablity layer"
[08:00] <nonuda_> its must be the grub boot disk...how to check it?
[08:00] <c0nv1ct> there is Cedega, and Crossover
[08:00] <Hasrat_USA> I typed grep python but it showed no result. why?
[08:00] <premier_> so, does anyone know about my swap file problem?
[08:00] <NightBird> wine is not an emulator << yeay for recursive acronyms
[08:00] <NightBird> c0nv1ct: both are based on wine
[08:00] <c0nv1ct> true
[08:00] <c0nv1ct> but Cedega goes a bit further, at a price
[08:01] <NightBird> they just have more specific focuses rather than general use
[08:01] <stdin> nonuda_: let me check
[08:01] <c0nv1ct> though Crossover is going more gaming, dunno how good it is though
 deathnote: egrep '(abc|xyz)' filename <-- can i have  abc AND xyz instead of abc OR xyz ?
[08:01] <premier_> swap file is more or less equivalent to virtual memory in windows, right?
[08:01] <NightBird> premier_: you mean the swap partition?
[08:02] <premier_> oh, yeah duh
[08:02] <premier_> swap file= windows.  I just noobed myself
[08:02] <NightBird> c0nv1ct: of course, everyone complains about not being able to play windows games on linux/macs... so there is a demand for getting those to work :P
[08:02] <NightBird> premier_: yes, the swap is used for virtual memory
[08:02] <stdin> deathnote: there is probably a better way than this, but you can do "grep abc filename|grep xyz"
[08:02] <premier_> NightBird: do you have any idea why linux my not be recognizing my swap?
[08:02] <c0nv1ct> NightBird: exactly, i have a $300 Logitech G25 sitting here wanting to be used
[08:02] <NightBird> premier_: if the partition got overwritten for some reason..
[08:03] <Bearcat> stdin: i got it!! Thankx
[08:03] <premier_> NightBird: it shouldnt have been
[08:03] <stdin> Bearcat: :)
[08:03] <NightBird> premier_: then also check to see if it's being mounted as swap
[08:03] <premier_> NightBird: should a swap partition show up in df -h?
[08:03] <c0nv1ct> so if you dont call wine a windows emulator, what do you call it? a windows APi implementation?
[08:03] <NightBird> if the fstab isn't setup to mount it as swap, it won't use it
[08:03] <intelikey> anyone have a /dev/js0  ?
[08:03] <NightBird> premier_: dunno..
[08:03] <premier_> c0nv1ct: "compatibility layer"
[08:03] <NightBird> premier_: my laptop is currently in Windows..
[08:04] <intelikey> premier_ no swap doesn't show in df
[08:04] <intelikey> premier_ free will show swap stats
[08:04] <NightBird> premier_: I do know it should be in the file that shows what to mount on startup
[08:04] <intelikey> called   /etc/fstab
[08:04] <premier_> Swap:            0          0          0
[08:05] <premier_> epic fail
[08:05] <intelikey> swapon
[08:05] <intelikey> if you want it turned on.
[08:06] <premier_> intelikey: will that carry over on the next reboot?
[08:06] <intelikey> premier_ no.  as NightBird said add an entry in /etc/fstab
[08:07] <intelikey>  /dev/<device>  none swap swap 0 0         iirc
[08:08] <intelikey> where <device> is the device node of your swap partition   (assuming a partition)
[08:08] <intelikey> could be a file.
[08:08] <deus17> does wine make a small windows map on C:
[08:08] <deus17> ?
[08:08] <veganri> hi, somehow my grub windows startup got messed up, can anyone help
[08:08] <veganri> where should i paste what it says, i dont want to spam the room
[08:09] <nonuda_> !pastebin
[08:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:09] <intelikey> deus17 wine gennelly uses ~/.wine/C:/   or  /var/lib/wine/C:    i think...
[08:09] <veganri> thank you, will get it to you in a minute
[08:09] <deus17> okey ... :)
[08:10] <deus17> thanks for all help.. now ill run to work.
[08:10] <deus17> cya guys
[08:10] <deathnote> is windows vista stable?
[08:10] <deus17> haha no way!
[08:10] <veganri> no death
[08:10] <deathnote> i going to buy a laptop but it comes with vista only...
[08:10] <veganri> give it a year or so
[08:10] <premier_> intelikey: no, I change the /dev/sda4 line in /etc/fstab to none swap swap 00 iirc?
[08:10] <deus17> windows vista is no good idea.. i only heard crap about it, i only read crap about it.. and bill gates still smile! :)
[08:10] <nonuda_> stdin?
[08:10] <deathnote> but i rather opt for kubuntu or something..haha
[08:11] <c0nv1ct> deus17: ~/.wine/drive_c
[08:11] <c0nv1ct> in ubuntu
[08:11] <deus17> thx
[08:11] <deus17> cya
[08:11] <intelikey> premier_ grep swap /etc/fstab
[08:11] <intelikey> premier_ and not "00" but "0 0"
[08:11] <premier_> deathnote: somebody in australia was able to get a refund when they uninstalled windows from their computer
[08:12] <veganri> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9197/
[08:12] <Hasrat_USA> premier_: old news
[08:12] <premier_> UUID=07fcf7d7-4b46-4192-926c-1ca325b9c9fd none            swap    sw              0       0
[08:12] <veganri> that is what it says when i try to boot windows from grub
[08:12] <deathnote> premier_: i've recently bought an acer laptop (half a year ago) but i don't really use the windows xp.. they don't give me the cd too..its in one of the service partition
[08:13] <veganri> my laptop is acer too
[08:13] <stdin> nonuda_: did you use the same disk for TomsRtBt and grub?
[08:13] <deathnote> premier_: i removed the service partition and unsintall windows to use kubuntu..
[08:13] <nonuda_> no..i used different floppy
[08:13] <veganri> heheh nb
[08:13] <Hasrat_USA> they would give you a refund (they are bound to) if you can prove, in real world, that you didn't use it and pressed cancel when the EULA came up on the screen
[08:13] <nonuda_> TomsRtBt boots well
[08:14] <NightBird> took me about two weeks to get things mostly working
[08:14] <deathnote> and i'm trying to get acer to give me the windows xp's CD..but they ask me to go to their service center and FORMAT the whole harddisk with their original setup (with the stupid service partition in)
[08:14] <deathnote> crazy
[08:14] <m0ns00n> Hey
[08:14] <veganri> the acer works generally well
[08:14] <m0ns00n> Is it possible to have both amarok and firefox with flashplugin making sound at the same time?
[08:14] <NightBird> m0ns00n, depends on which audio system you're using
[08:14] <deathnote> Hasrat_USA: do i write to the manufacturer or microsoft ?
[08:14] <intelikey> veganri line 4  should be a comment    prepend #
[08:14] <stdin> nonuda_: try making the grub disk again
[08:14] <Hasrat_USA> same with dell deathnote. When i bought the laptop from them, the installation CD for the OS didn't come with it, nor did i ask them to give me one. but when i bought a desktop, it came with driver and OS reinstallation CDs
[08:15] <m0ns00n> NightBird: 1. How can I set that up for flash, 2. Does Kubuntu run many alternatives?
[08:15] <chavo> m0ns00n, is it flash 9?
[08:15] <deathnote> Hasrat_USA: do u manage to get a refund or something for your dell laptop?
[08:15] <NightBird> m0ns00n: Kubuntu runs ALSA and OSS(though, I'm guessing it's actually a wrapper around the ALSA library)
[08:15] <NightBird> and I think alsa supports multiple audio streams...
[08:15] <nonuda_> stdin, have tried that, but still not work...i mount the disk and i can see /boot/grub directory and stage1 and stage2 file
[08:15] <Hasrat_USA> writing to MS would result in them telling you to contact your OEM/manufacturer. Yes, your PC's manufacturer would give you the refund
[08:16] <veganri> i'll try that inkey
[08:16] <intelikey> veganri oh wait.  that asn't from the menu.lst was it...    hmmm
[08:16] <premier_> intelikey: If I change my fstab file, and I make a mistake, what will happen?  Will it fail to boot?
[08:16] <veganri> no, that was the error message after i clicked the windows in boot
[08:16] <intelikey> veganri  that's what it said at boot time....     hmmm
[08:16] <Hasrat_USA> deathnote nope in both cases as i never claimed for a refund.
[08:16] <Hasrat_USA> it is because i had already pressed accept
[08:17] <stdin> nonuda_: did you do the grub part too, when you use "sudo -s" and "grub" ?
[08:17] <veganri> i wonder if autoexec or config.sys might be damaged, but that is just one guess
[08:17] <deathnote> Hasrat_USA: did u attempt to get the windows installation CD for the laptop?
[08:17] <Hasrat_USA> i came to know about ubuntu 3 weeks ago
[08:17] <intelikey> veganri the partition type  looks odd   0xc   ?
[08:17] <veganri> i dont know enough to answer that inkey
[08:17] <veganri> it might be trying to boot the wrong one ?
[08:17] <intelikey> veganri no it's a read error  not a file error  best i can tell
[08:17] <Hasrat_USA> deathnote no but they (dell) made a different partition of 2 GB on my HDD and copied the CD along with drivers onto it
[08:18] <nonuda_> stdin, do the grub part too? don't know what u mean, but i use sudo -s before mk2fs
[08:18] <NightBird> deathnote: you a fan of the anime/manga by the same name as your nick?
[08:18] <Hasrat_USA> by the way can anyone tell me some names of movies related to hacking, cracking BSh)@$*ng etc that i haven't watched yet but should watch?
[08:19] <deathnote> NightBird: not really a fan..but i like that anime (in movie)
[08:19] <intelikey> looks like 0xc may be   0C   in which case fat32
[08:19] <NightBird> Hasrat_USA: hackers?
[08:19] <stdin> nonuda_: step 4 on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy
[08:19] <NightBird> deathnote: ah...
[08:19] <veganri> wargames is a neat hacking movie
[08:19] <userund> I <3 wargames
[08:19] <veganri> interesting ink
[08:20] <deathnote> NightBird: watch the movie ..its nice
[08:20] <m0ns00n> NightBird: The oss in Kubuntu is a wrapper.
[08:20] <veganri> shall we play a game
[08:20] <m0ns00n> NightBird: But still I only can have one sound source with most apps, and they will claim the dsp
[08:20] <userund> how about a nice game of chess?
[08:20] <NightBird> deathnote: really, I heard that it was pretty bad, with bad acting and what not
[08:20] <Hasrat_USA> that's the dumbest movie i ever saw. the kid (hero) sucks to death and doesn't know crap about acting lol. and the whole movie is funny and hilarious but it's a total waste of time and money
[08:20] <NightBird> (at least from my japanese suiet mate... I've downloaded the movie, but I haven't watched it...)
[08:21] <intelikey> veganri dosfsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:21] <userund> Hasrat_USA, there's hackers 2
[08:21] <userund> about kevin mitnick
[08:21] <NightBird> userund: jees, they made a sequel?
[08:21] <nonuda_> stdin, nup..i missed that one sorry...i do it now
[08:21] <Hasrat_USA> you guys remember that dialog when in the movie 'hackers' they breach into the system and the villain says "run an antivirus, give me a system display" lol
[08:22] <userund> NightBird, not exactly a 'sequel' because the storylines are totally different, basically living off the original's name
[08:22] <intelikey> veganri or venella    fsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:22] <veganri> pasting the results
[08:22] <NightBird> userund: jeez.... they should have renamed it.... hackers didn't do too well, did it?
[08:22] <Hasrat_USA> userund: you're talking about hackers 2 operational takedown (on kevin mitnick)?
[08:22] <veganri> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9198/
[08:22] <nonuda_> done..
[08:22] <userund> NightBird, they kinda did rename it, Hackers 2: Takedown http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159784/
[08:22] <veganri> which movie was angelina in
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> i have watched wargames. now this is a movie that at least teaches something!
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> veganri: hackers
[08:23] <veganri> oh cool
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> the worst piece of crap ever!
[08:23] <veganri> she looked good in that movie
[08:23] <veganri> lol
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> i only liked the scene where the hero was fiddling around with some unix books. only that part was real lol
[08:24] <deathnote> do u watch bleach?
[08:24] <intelikey> veganri   may i sujest you      man dosfsck     and make sure that  -n  means don't change anything only check.   and run that as root.   "sudo"
[08:24] <userund> Hasrat_USA, there's also Revolution OS, a story about the hackers behind GNU and Linux
[08:24] <nonuda_> stdin, ok now it boot from grub disk
[08:24] <NightBird> deathnote: nah, I stoped after they left the manga storyline... I've been reading the manga however
[08:24] <Hasrat_USA> i got revolution OS too. downloaded it from google video lo
[08:24] <Hasrat_USA> lol
[08:24] <[StingRay] > Hi all, can somebody tell if I can benchmark somehow my CPU or system?
[08:24] <veganri> pretend i dont know anything about programming linux, because i dont
[08:24] <Hasrat_USA> another one i liked seriously was the code linux
[08:25] <stdin> nonuda_: do you know what to do now?
[08:25] <intelikey> veganri and sorry i don't have any man pages yet installed.   or i would have checked for you.
[08:25] <veganri> big thing just came up
[08:25] <Hasrat_USA> i got all the videos of richard stallman that you can find in google video
[08:25] <userund> Hasrat_USA, ah, hadn't heard of that one
[08:26] <Hasrat_USA> userund: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498228245415745977
[08:26] <intelikey> veganri in the "less" pager use the arrow keys to navagate    and   [q]    to exit when you finish.
[08:26] <Hasrat_USA> after u go there, click on download for windows/mac
[08:26] <userund> Hasrat_USA, thanks
[08:26] <veganri> says reformatting dosfsck (8), please wait
[08:26] <nonuda_> stdin, ok i know i should type the command line according to my directory of  vmlinuz and kernel right?
[08:27] <veganri> that doesnt sound good
[08:27] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah
[08:27] <intelikey> yeah but it should be done by now.
[08:27] <Hasrat_USA> an hour long documentary on linux...featuring linux torvald, the god of GNU/Linux stallman and hacker steve raymond
[08:27] <intelikey> veganri you did run that in a konsole ?
[08:28] <veganri> in the terminal
[08:28] <intelikey> yes
[08:28] <dave_> hey would somone be able to give  me a hand?
[08:28] <veganri> yes, not all of it
[08:28] <veganri> is it ok to reset the terminal
[08:28] <premier_> How do I use swapon?
[08:28] <userund> sudo swapon /dev/[device] 
[08:29] <intelikey> sure
[08:30] <deathnote> is feisty herd released yet?
[08:30] <dave_> umm i really want to install synaptic i think its called only becasue i know how to use it a tade better then adept maneger
[08:30] <stdin> deathnote: which one?
[08:30] <deathnote> i think is 3.. i couldn't find in the download page of kubuntu
[08:30] <Hasrat_USA> death it would be released on april 7th
[08:30] <stdin> dave_: you can use adept to install synaptic
[08:30] <deathnote> i need a fix for the screensaver that comes out to be "X" everytime
[08:30] <stdin> deathnote: herd 5 is out now
[08:31] <Hasrat_USA> i have set my cellphone to notify me so that i can just celebrate the day, although i wouldn't upgrade my current OS though :P
[08:31] <dave_> isnt there some sort if source that i have to change then use terminal to run it , sorry i am only new at this?>
[08:31] <premier_> deathnote: yeah, I want to fix that too.  Whats the deal with that?
[08:31] <Hasrat_USA> my edgy eft with beryl and everything would run for the next 10 years
[08:31] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin, how are you? :)
[08:31] <stdin> dave_: no, you just install it, the run it from the Kmenu
[08:31] <Joshooa> Could someone talk with me and give me advice about installing Windows on my main 40GB and Kubuntu on my 200GB? I want to do some partitions and stuff and not sure how to do it
[08:31] <stdin> [StingRay] : hi, not too bad :P you?
[08:32] <Joshooa> at least not sure if I'm sure
[08:32] <intelikey> veganri i have installed mandb and the manpages  and have checked it is  -n that you want.     sudo dosfsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:32] <NixHex> we hope april 7th...they could postpone if they need to
[08:32] <veganri> so i just type this:  sudo dosfsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:32] <frit> some of you are playing at something ? if yes , which games ? :)
[08:32] <intelikey> yep
[08:32] <deathnote> premier_: if u asking me how to deal with it..i think the feisty might have a fix already..
[08:32] <veganri> cool
[08:32] <nonuda_> stdin, it said cannot mount selected partition, i put kubuntu in c:\kubuntu and vmlinuz initrd are in c:\kubuntu\casper
[08:32] <dave_> ahh ok thanks illgive i a try and let you know if i get into trouble again  cheers
[08:33] <stdin> nonuda_: not c:\...
[08:33] <deathnote> Joshooa: same harddisk?
[08:33] <[StingRay] > Haven't seen you from a long time here...I am fine. I was having really bad time with GS and dapper. I managed to overcome the problem, but I think someone should release an official package.
[08:33] <stdin> nonuda_: like /kubuntu/vmlinuz
[08:33] <intelikey> that will examine the fs on the partition you were trying to boot and report any errors it finds   but because of -n it wont do anything to the fs.  veganri
[08:33] <Joshooa> deathnote: No, 40GB HD and a 200GB, I want windows on the 40GB, 10 for Windows, 30 for Windows stuff I don't need in Linux
[08:33] <[StingRay] > gs-esp 8.15.2 is broken, stdin
[08:33] <intelikey> veganri   so watch what it says.   that the information you want.
[08:34] <Joshooa> deathnote: Mainly with the 200GB, what's with making a root partition and a home partition?
[08:34] <veganri> it seems the hd is still going
[08:34] <intelikey> give it time.
[08:34] <Hasrat_USA> if they postpone it that would be for the betterment of the release i believe
[08:34] <Joshooa> deathnote: And should I pre-partition my drives, or partition my 40 when I install windows, and then my 200 when I install Kubuntu?
[08:34] <veganri> : ] 
[08:34] <stdin> [StingRay] : is that edgy? I'm running 8.15.3.dfsg.1-2ubuntu3 here
[08:35] <intelikey> veganri  that's simular to running  'chkdsk.exe'    or the old 'scandisk.exe'
[08:35] <deathnote> Joshooa: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure
[08:35] <stdin> [StingRay] : (on feisty)
[08:35] <[StingRay] > nope, stdin:  Haven't seen you from a long time here...I am fine. I was having really bad time with GS and dapper. I managed to overcome the problem, but I think someone should release an official package.
[08:35] <nonuda_> stdin, first i type root (hd0,0) then kernel /kubuntu/casper/vmlinuz append vga=normal initrd=/kubuntu/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=16384 root=/dev/rd/0 rw --
[08:35] <Joshooa> ok
[08:35] <deathnote> Joshooa: u see everything under the directory structure except /home is the root partition
[08:35] <veganri> good to know ikey
[08:35] <deathnote> Joshooa: /home is home partition ..
[08:35] <[StingRay] > dapper, stdin I just reposted, because I did not include your nick
[08:36] <stdin> nonuda_: not all on one line tho
[08:36] <NixHex> never realized how much Linus Torvalds looks like my brother...
[08:36] <deathnote> Joshooa: normally i would use about 5.5gb for / (root partition)
[08:36] <veganri> i feel very lost in linux, have not learned a new os since 1993
[08:36] <Joshooa> deathnote: So.... is that sorta like Linux install, then my stuff? Cause right now I just have everything on a small 8GB partition from the 40
[08:36] <deathnote> Joshooa: and the rest of the space for /home  , not forgetting swap partition
[08:36] <stdin> [StingRay] : I recently started a new job. so I haven't had as much time to be here as I used to, but I'm more used to the hours now
[08:37] <deathnote> Joshooa: is ur windows on the 8gb partition ?
[08:37] <Joshooa> deathnote: No
[08:37] <nonuda_> stdin do you mean i must type all in one line command?
[08:37] <intelikey> veganri  first thing i always tell people is " forget everything you think you know about computers, you have to start from scratch just like the rest of us.  if you have this 'i should know this' attatude it only makes it harder on you"
[08:37] <Joshooa> deathnote: I have my 40GB cut up into an 8 and 30, about, Windows on the 30, linux on the 8
[08:37] <veganri> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9199/
[08:38] <Joshooa> deathnote: Then everything else I have, install files for windows, pics, music, movies, CD images, on the 200
[08:38] <veganri> good way to look at it
[08:38] <deathnote> deathnote: u want windows and linux to share the 200 ????
[08:39] <stdin> nonuda_: no, 1st you type "root (hd0,0)" then press enter, then the kernel ... line etc
[08:39] <NixHex> ok, watching streaming video on wireless internet...don't work
[08:39] <Joshooa> deathnote: No, windows on the 40, Linux and shared NTFS on the 200
[08:39] <[StingRay] > stdin, First I was having problems with some fonts when printing, only the first 50% were printed of each character. This was fixed when I downgraded to gs-esp 7.07. I have 7 pcs of Minolta 1400W and all of them refused to print second page until I installed gs 8.54 gpl from source
[08:40] <Joshooa> deathnote: Cause with the 200, I'll have swap, root I guess, home, shared music/movies, and then another one for Documents and Pictures ie Personal Files
[08:40] <intelikey> veganri  that error is simular to the old  file allocation tables mismatch   if you try to fix it you will probably loose data.   i sujest you use a windows recovery disk.   but that's as far as i go with windows help.   there is a  ##windows   help channel if you need info.
[08:40] <intelikey> i think it two ##   may be one #  ...
[08:40] <veganri> ty
[08:40] <intelikey> np.
[08:40] <veganri> is there a windows linux help channel
[08:41] <nonuda_> stdin, thats what i have done, but for the 2nd command line it said cannot mount selected partition
[08:41] <deathnote> Joshooa: ok i get it..
[08:41] <stdin> [StingRay] : I haven't actually needed to print anyting in a while, so I'm not sure if the problem is still in 8.15.3
[08:41] <[StingRay] > stdin, congrats on you new work.
[08:41] <stdin> [StingRay] : thanks :)
[08:41] <[StingRay] > I tried edgy, same problem, stdin
[08:41] <intelikey> there is   ##windows    and  ##linux   and   ##linuxhelp   all here on frenode.net
[08:42] <veganri> cool
[08:42] <Pyros666> -
[08:42] <Joshooa> deathnote: Good, cause I don't really, not sure how to install to a root and home partition, or how much room I should make for Kubuntu or anything, I feel confident getting the 40GB set up, but then to install Kubuntu right, I'm not quite sure
[08:42] <deathnote> Joshooa: 1st harddisk = first partition 5.5gb ext3 for / (root partition)     2nd partition 34.5gb for windows)
[08:42] <stdin> [StingRay] : I'm on feisty, so it may have been fixes since, but I don't know
[08:42] <veganri> thank you again, i guess i'll just be watching here quietly
[08:42] <intelikey> welcome.
[08:42] <[StingRay] > stdin, I can you advise of a method to benchmark my system with different kernels?
[08:42] <Joshooa> deathnote: Why the root on the 40 not 200/
[08:42] <stdin> nonuda_: 1 sec, I'll have a look at something
[08:43] <deathnote> Joshooa: because root contains the kernel and stuffs which takes very little space..and it can help u dual boot to windows too if its on the first partition.. correct me if i'm wrong
[08:43] <kraut> moin
[08:43] <deathnote> Joshooa: /home contains all the misc stuffs like movies mp3s docs etc
[08:43] <Joshooa> deathnote: Not sure, I was told I could install Kubuntu on my 200 (D:) drive and Grub would still ask if I want to dual boot
[08:43] <intelikey> anyone have a /dev/js0  standard gameport device ?     i would like the output of  ls -l  /dev/js0   please
[08:44] <[StingRay] > stdin, cupsys 1.2.8 is great (it has a bug fix due to my post http://forums.freestandards.org/read.php?27,229 ). I will move to feisty, once it is stable.
[08:44] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well the movies and mp3 I want on a shared NTFS partition, so windows and LInux can see them, as well as other computers on my network, all using Windows
[08:44] <deathnote> Joshooa: u can have /home on the 200gb .. but / (root) should be at the first partition of 40gb..
 arrgg still not working :(
[08:45] <deathnote> Joshooa: but u must allocate some space for /home too..ext3 filesystem
[08:45] <intelikey> Joshooa i have linux installed on sda  and  hda is the boot device.   the boot loader doesn't really care where the system is as long as it can read it.
[08:45] <Joshooa> deathnote: But that will make installing windows on it harder for me, cause I'm not sure how to partition all my space for windows and kubuntu at  o nce
[08:45] <stdin> nonuda_: change "root=/dev/rd/0" to "root=/dev/ram"
[08:45] <intelikey> dave_ what's that ?
[08:45] <nonuda_> ok
[08:45] <Joshooa> intelikey: and sda means?
[08:45] <dave_> my mp3 i suck so much at this os
[08:45] <intelikey> scsi first device in this case.
[08:46] <dave_> i cant get anything to play
[08:46] <nonuda_> still it said cannot mount selected partition
[08:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: All I know is my usb key is sda1 here
[08:46] <stdin> nonuda_: you may also need to add "ramdisk_size=1048576" before the "root=/dev/ram" part
[08:46] <intelikey> dave_ ah mp3's   did you go to the wiki page on that ?
[08:46] <intelikey> !mp3 | dave_
[08:46] <ubotu> dave_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:46] <deathnote> stdin: grub / lilo should be on the first partition of the first harddisk (or boot device) right?
[08:46] <nonuda_> stdin, still the same
[08:46] <dave_> hmm ill have a read
[08:46] <premier_> how can I upgrade to ked 3.5.6?
[08:47] <stdin> deathnote: default is to have it in the MBR
[08:47] <premier_> kde 3.5.6?
[08:47] <stdin> !kde | premier_
[08:47] <ubotu> premier_: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[08:47] <intelikey> Joshooa yes usb uses the scsi interface
[08:47] <intelikey> Joshooa so does sata
[08:47] <deathnote> is master boot record on the first partition?
[08:47] <Joshooa> intelikey: oh ok
[08:47] <stdin> deathnote: no, of the disk
[08:47] <stdin> deathnote: it's before the 1st partition
[08:48] <intelikey> deathnote no it's not on a partition  it's the first 512 bytes of the disk.
[08:48] <intelikey> MBR
[08:48] <deathnote> so grub is located there?
[08:48] <intelikey> yes the executabe part
[08:49] <_4strO> yop
[08:49] <intelikey> or should be, if you want grub to be the primary boot loader
[08:49] <stdin> nonuda_: try "kernel /kubuntu/casper/vmlinuz append boot=casper initrd=/kubuntu/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash --"
[08:50] <deathnote> intelikey: is there a way to see what's in my MBR ?
[08:50] <nonuda_> ok
[08:50] <deathnote> or modify it
[08:50] <intelikey> it is possable to copy the mbr from one disk to another...  generally such actions should be done by professenals or people who don't care about their data...
[08:50] <deathnote> does it mean /boot/grub is in MBR??
[08:51] <intelikey> deathnote dd if=/dev/hda count=1 | less
[08:51] <intelikey> deathnote no /boot* is on a partition
[08:52] <nonuda_> still canot unmount the selected partition
[08:52] <intelikey> and that assumed hda ^  could be sda
[08:52] <nonuda_> i mean mount
[08:52] <intelikey> nonuda_ what partition ?
[08:52] <intelikey> nonuda_ what specifics ?
[08:52] <nonuda_> ntfs
[08:53] <premier_> should adept show "kde" as not being installed?
[08:53] <premier_> Im using kde 3.5.5
[08:53] <premier_> what will happen if I have adept install kde?////
[08:53] <[StingRay] > stdin, can you tell me the configure options for cups and dapper. I tried to install 1.2.8 on dapper, but it still shows 1.2.2
[08:53] <deathnote> ok, so default when we install kubuntu, grub is written onto MBR, so that means there is no need for / partition to be on the first partition?
[08:53] <Joshooa> deathnote: Are you getting my messages back? It's telling my I'm unregistered and blocked
[08:53] <stdin> premier_: "kde" is a meta package, it isn't actually kde, kubuntu uses "kubuntu-desktop"
[08:53] <intelikey> nonuda_ ok that the fs type.   now where is it ?   /dev/hda1 maybe ?       and where do you want to mount it ?
[08:54] <premier_> stdin: I couldnt find kubuntu-desktop in adept
[08:54] <deathnote> Joshooa: no message back.. u shd /msg nickserv register xyz
[08:54] <britt> I'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages
[08:54] <intelikey> deathnote correct.
[08:54] <britt> what gives?
[08:54] <Joshooa> deathnote: I am registered though
[08:54] <Joshooa> deathnote: And I can't talk to nickserv when I am on Kopete
[08:54] <deathnote> Joshooa: /msg nickserv identify password ?
[08:54] <stdin> premier_: it's there, unless you're not using kubuntu
[08:54] <nonuda_> intelikey, i was try to boot my laptop using grub..according to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies
[08:55] <intelikey> nonuda_ ah in grub ?
[08:55] <premier_> stdin: I cant get it to update to kde3.5.6.  It thinks that kubuntu desktop is the newest version
[08:55] <deathnote> by default when we first install windows, a boot loader is installed on MBR too right?
[08:55] <Joshooa> deathnote: I can''t it just opens a blank chat window with myself
[08:55] <nonuda_> yup
[08:55] <stdin> intelikey: btw, that page is way out-of-date
[08:55] <intelikey> stdin grub may be too...
[08:55] <britt> I'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages
[08:56] <stdin> premier_: are you on edgy?
[08:56] <deathnote> Joshooa: ok i guess what u have to do is allocate some space for / partition and some space for /home partition
[08:56] <premier_> stdin: yeah
[08:56] <stdin> premier_: read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[08:56] <deathnote> Joshooa: it will be easier if u install windows first, and then install kubuntu (if u want grub to be the boot loader)
[08:56] <nonuda_> stdin, any more idea?
[08:56] <deathnote> !identify
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <Joshooa> deathnote: I do, but then does that mean in the windows install, I have to delete my partitions, make 1 5.5GB raw one, then install windows to the other part, and then when I install Kubuntu, select that 5.5 as raw and make a new partition in the 200 for home?  And how big should home be?
[08:57] <stdin> nonuda_: what happens when you type "root (<tab><tab>" where <tab> is the actual tab key ?
[08:58] <nonuda_> it said "Posible commands are : root rootnoverify"
[08:58] <britt> I'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages
[08:58] <deathnote> Joshooa: yes.. during windows install u can allocate eg: 30gb for your ntfs windows system to install on
[08:58] <intelikey> nonuda_ ok tell me what you have got there and i'll see what i cna come up with.   you are at the grub prompt of a boot floppy now ?
[08:58] <stdin> nonuda_: did you put a space then a ( after root ?
[08:58] <deathnote> Joshooa: and during kubuntu installation u can setup the raw 5.5 partition for / and.. /home on the 200gb..how big it should be..depends
[08:59] <deathnote> Joshooa: 10gb should be more than enough..depends..
[08:59] <nonuda_> i'm at the grub prompt i just type root (hd0,0)
[08:59] <intelikey> stdin he should be able to "find vmlinuz*"  no ?
[09:00] <Joshooa> deathnote: cause I have a lot available, from what i saw, I want at least 100GB for my music and movies and TV shows, and with 20GB just for my personal documents, that still leaves me with 80GB for home
[09:00] <nonuda_> enter then the kernel command line just like u said
[09:00] <Joshooa> roughly speaking
[09:01] <stdin> intelikey: should be able to, yeah
[09:01] <Joshooa> deathnote: I don't know if 10GB is enough though, cause I was download stuff with Torrents, and with 4 shows and a Kubuntu DVD image, my disk was full
[09:01] <[StingRay] > Can somebody help me ./configure cups 1.2.8?
[09:01] <nonuda_> stdin, i think the problem is the grub can't mount hd0,0
[09:02] <nonuda_> hd0,0 is my c drive in windows rigght?
[09:02] <deathnote> Joshooa: where do u use to download music and movies? kubuntu or windows?
[09:02] <Joshooa> I also don't get why I can message ubout just fine
[09:02] <unholyskorn> im updating a program and i need help
[09:02] <unholyskorn> it tries to update, and it shows some messages that i dont know how to fix
[09:02] <Joshooa> deathnote: Windows, but I only started using Kubuntu this week
[09:02] <deathnote> Joshooa: oh.. in that case u allocate more for /home then.. :>
[09:02] <intelikey> stdin when i asked him what he was doing i didn't notice you were helping him... i'm not trying to "but in"    just mentioned the find command.  i'll let you help him.
[09:02] <unholyskorn> can someone PM me please
[09:02] <deathnote> !ntfs
[09:02] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:02] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah, what about if you type "kernel /<tab>" ?
[09:03] <nonuda_> ok try it now
[09:03] <Joshooa> deathnote: Okay, so 80GB for home wouldn't be too much would it? Because home is also where installed programs would be, right?
[09:03] <deathnote> Joshooa: to write into ntfs from linux, u need some other stuffs
[09:03] <stdin> intelikey: don't worry, any help you can give will be great, it's getting frustrating
[09:03] <deathnote> Joshooa: no installed programs will be in / partition
[09:03] <deathnote> am i right?
[09:03] <Joshooa> deathnote: I'm doing it right now, taking stuff from my 200GB, and copying them over the network to a shared folder on my room mates NTFS windows hard drive
[09:03] <nonuda_> nothing happen just grub>kernel
[09:04] <intelikey> stdin i'll try to follow what the two of you do and if i see anything i'll mention it.
[09:04] <Joshooa> deathnote: Then wouldn't I want a lot more than 5.5GB free then?
[09:04] <stdin> nonuda_: and if you press tab again?
[09:04] <deathnote> intelikey: installed programs will be in / partition right?
[09:04] <nonuda_> oh no....it said " Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist"
[09:04] <intelikey> deathnote yes   /usr  mostly
[09:05] <stdin> nonuda_: oh, ok, type "kernal /" then tab
[09:05] <deathnote> intelikey: will 5.5gb be enough? for me..it never exceed before after installing so many applciations..
[09:05] <intelikey> unholyskorn ok stop no.
[09:05] <deathnote> unless u using it as a web server then can make /var in another partition
[09:05] <nonuda_> kernal?? not kernel?
[09:05] <intelikey> now.
[09:05] <unholyskorn> why are you being such a fucking dick
[09:05] <unholyskorn> the reason why i wanted someone to pm me was because i didnt want to spam the channel with the error messages
[09:05] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well like right now, I only have 8GB set aside for Kubuntu, and also some swap but I forgot how bug, and I have root and home on it, and it was full just now cause I had one DVD image on my desktop
[09:05] <nonuda_> kernal --> nothing happen
[09:06] <deathnote> Joshooa: /dev/hda1             5.5G  3.3G  2.0G  63% / (this is my / partition for over 3-4 months)
[09:06] <intelikey> deathnote should be yes.  only reason it might get that high is not clearing the apt cache
[09:06] <stdin> nonuda_: no, I meant type "kernel /" then tab, not kernal :P
[09:06] <nonuda_> oh ok
[09:06] <deathnote> !! haha
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about haha - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <intelikey> !pastebin | unholyskorn
[09:06] <ubotu> unholyskorn: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:06] <Hasrat_USA> i need to find a bug in ubuntu or else im gonna get bored to death :(
[09:06] <Joshooa> intelikey: But what about downloading stuff and installing a lot of programs, wouldn't that end up to more than 5.5GB?
[09:06] <deathnote> Joshooa: how much ram do u have?
[09:06] <nonuda_> stdin, it said "error 17: Cannot mount selected partition"
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: 640MB, why?
[09:07] <deathnote> Joshooa: i suggest ram x 2 = swap partition
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: I'll up it to 2GB when I get the money
[09:07] <deathnote> that's what i heard
[09:07] <unholyskorn> thanks for explaining that ubotu instead of just being a dick
[09:07] <stdin> nonuda_: ahh, that's the problem then, seems grub can't read ntfs
[09:07] <deathnote> intelikey: any suggestion on how big swap partition should be?
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yeah, I'm just going to do 2GB, cause, well I have 200 I can use, and do plan to up my ram asap
[09:07] <LL_Hakaisou> is there a shell command for setting up power save?
[09:07] <intelikey> Joshooa you would have to install a lot.   but there are that many packages yes.
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: I agree, 2x is a good amount
[09:08] <stdin> deathnote: 1 to 2 size of RAM, the more RAM, the less swap
[09:08] <LL_Hakaisou> i seem to have ophaned my monitor and displays controls
[09:08] <intelikey> Joshooa & deathnote heh swap.... lol
[09:08] <deathnote> 1gb ram = 2gb swap ?
[09:08] <stdin> deathnote: no :P
[09:08] <nonuda_> stdin, ok let say i have another ext3 partition in that hd, how if i put vmlinuz and initrd in it?
[09:08] <deathnote> although i have 1gb ram i use 1gb for swap only
[09:08] <intelikey> 1g ram = 0 swap   imo
[09:08] <stdin> deathnote: with 1gb ram, you won't need much swap
[09:08] <LL_Hakaisou> i got 2 gigs of ram and 1 gig of swap, how's that sound?
[09:08] <deathnote> haha.....
[09:08] <nonuda_> i can put them in windows using norton partition magic
[09:09] <LL_Hakaisou> nonuda_ | carefull, there is a reason why it's also called partition tragic
[09:09] <deathnote> Joshooa: to be safe..leave 1 gb for swap.. and 7gb for your / partition then...since u have no use for those space
[09:09] <stdin> nonuda_: it may be better to make a fat32 partition, then copy the files there from windows
[09:09] <intelikey> LL_Hakaisou 2g ram = 0 swap    imo   :)
[09:09] <LL_Hakaisou> meh, it can't hurt
[09:10] <LL_Hakaisou> besides, i'm not exactly choking for space
[09:10] <intelikey> but the ubuntu team don't like me saying that you dont need swap.
[09:10] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well my 8gb is just a partition off of my 40GB, cause I didn't want to touch my 200GB as it's all just my keep folder, like documents, movies, programs, games and music
[09:10] <intelikey> so i wont say it.
[09:10] <stdin> deathnote: with 1GB ram, 500MB swap is safe
[09:10] <nonuda_> ok, let said i have a fat32 partition and copy them into it but the root command will be not "root (hd0,0) again right?
[09:10] <Joshooa> deathnote: So when I reinstall windows, it will be erased as well, and I will only have windows, no Kubuntu
[09:10] <intelikey> i run kde on a 64m ram   p1 box  with no swap  ...
[09:11] <deathnote> how much should a / partition be?
[09:11] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah, it would be "root (hd0,1)" ,if the fat32 partition was the 2nd partition on the disk
[09:11] <intelikey> deathnote depends on other partitions.   will /home be seperate ?   will /var  be seperate ?
[09:12] <deathnote> intelikey: can i have /home on the same partition as / ??
[09:12] <deathnote> OH
[09:12] <deathnote> zz
[09:12] <intelikey> deathnote sure
[09:12] <deathnote> Joshooa: do u want /home and / together? u have to figure out how much /home u want
[09:12] <nonuda_> ok.. i understand now...switching my laptop back to XP...i'll get in to u if i have problem...thanks
[09:12] <intelikey> deathnote the reason so many don't have /home on the same fs is to be able to reinstall without loosing personal files.
[09:13] <Joshooa> deathnote: I don't see why not just have Windows on the 40GB HD, and Linux on the 200, and not mix them up
[09:13] <deathnote> oh!! yesyes true
[09:13] <deathnote> Joshooa: sure
[09:13] <Joshooa> intelikey: But, I will have the files I want to save on NTFS partitions on the 200GB, like 100GB for Media, and 20GB for documents/pictures
[09:14] <deathnote> Joshooa: so u can have windows on first harddisk and linux on the 200 (4 partitions, / , /home , swap , ntfs)
[09:14] <unholyskorn> how do i install a .deb package?
[09:14] <Joshooa> deathnote: I mean I'm new so I want to learn everything I can and see your reasoning for wanting to do it that way, I just don't get it, and I also don't get what will change if root and home are on different physical drives
[09:14] <intelikey> Joshooa that would work.  but if i did that i'd split up the big drive.    small 1g /boot as first primary and then extended / 9g  and the rest /home
[09:14] <Joshooa> deathnote:  Yeah pretty much
[09:14] <_4strO> !dpkg
[09:14] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[09:14] <frit> how to recover deleted files plz ?
[09:14] <_4strO> !dpkg | unholyskorn
[09:14] <ubotu> unholyskorn: please see above
[09:14] <frit> is there a tool ?
[09:14] <Joshooa> intelikey: I need a boot partition too?
[09:14] <deathnote> Joshooa: remember... u can only have 4 partitions on a single harddisk.. unless u use extended partition..
[09:15] <unholyskorn> so, sudo dpkg FILENAME?
[09:15] <_4strO> ...
[09:15] <_4strO> sudo dpkg -i PACKAGE
[09:15] <unholyskorn> and thats it?
[09:15] <stdin> !deb | unholyskorn
[09:15] <ubotu> unholyskorn: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[09:15] <_4strO> i think so
[09:15] <intelikey> deathnote that would work. to use the 40g for win and the big drive for linux...   but if i did that i'd split up the big drive.    small 1g /boot as first primary and then extended / 9g  and the rest /home
[09:15] <unholyskorn> cause i did that, and it said unpacking and installing, but nothing else happened...
[09:16] <frit> how to recover deleted files plz ? is there a tool ?
[09:16] <intelikey> frit ext3 ?
[09:16] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well, my original plan was for the 200GB, I'd have 2GB swap, 100GB for Music/Movies NTFS, 5GB for My Documents and My Pictures I saved in NTFS, and the rest for Kubuntu
[09:16] <deathnote> Joshooa: /home contains your personal stuffs.. / partition contains the applications and kernel .. let's say something happen to ur kernel, u just need to reformat and install linux on / (takes about 30mins to 1 hour only) , without losing ur /home personal stuffs
[09:16] <_4strO> unholyskorn: try to run your application ...
[09:16] <frit> mmm
[09:16] <frit> wait gonna check that intelikey but i think it's ext3
[09:16] <stdin> frit: iirc, on ext3, it's nearly impossible to recover deleted files
[09:17] <Joshooa> deathnote: But anything I want saved, like music or whatever, will be on the NTFS shared partition anyway, and Pictures or files liek my resume, on the Documents one
[09:17] <intelikey> frit what fs are they deleted on ?  is it ext3 or reiserfs ?    if so forget it.
[09:17] <deathnote> intelikey: /boot and / is seperated ?
[09:17] <intelikey> deathnote i would.  you don't have to.
[09:17] <Joshooa> Man I am so glad that I am moving all these files I want to a whole nother computer, so I don't have to worry about fucking up
[09:17] <frit> :/ well ... thanks for answering stdin intelikey
[09:17] <intelikey> deathnote we went over this last night didn't we ?
[09:17] <britt> can anybody help me with my NVIDIA driver dogging the system?
[09:18] <frit> it's ext3
[09:18] <frit> :'(
[09:18] <unholyskorn> hmmm.... i run the program, and it says loading in the tray, and has the thinking icon next to my mouse, and then it just disappears...
[09:18] <deathnote> haha..what happened last night?
[09:18] <intelikey> frit yep.  sorry man.  that's just how it is.
[09:18] <Joshooa> I wish I had a linux guy here to help get me set up
[09:18] <britt> I wish things worked
[09:18] <_4strO> which program is it ?
[09:18] <qbmaster> hey
[09:18] <deathnote> Joshooa: u have to think of, anything u want to save when u use windows, and anything u want to save when u use linux
[09:18] <unholyskorn> envy
[09:19] <frit> no problem man tks again for aswering :)
[09:19] <unholyskorn> hasrat_usa helped me get it
[09:19] <intelikey> deathnote was that not you asking for input on how to setup a 40g + 100g drives ?
[09:19] <frit> + intelikey
[09:19] <frit> lol
[09:19] <Joshooa> deathnote: I know what those are, my windows game and program install files will all be on the 2nd partition of the 40GB drive
[09:19] <deathnote> haha..not me!!
[09:19] <qbmaster> can anybody help me figure out why my mp3 files won't play under kubuntu?  (Linux Noob here)
[09:19] <Joshooa> deathnote: Anything else is either in my Media Partition, or on my Documents Partition
[09:19] <qbmaster> I hear sound but the mp3 files won't play
[09:19] <unholyskorn> id get videolan player
[09:20] <qbmaster> the builtin progs can't play them?
[09:20] <Joshooa> deathnote: So, if I need to install windows, the 10GB partition on the 40 would be redone, and in linux the part of the 200 not being media or documents or swap
[09:20] <unholyskorn> im having a very serious problem with applications that dont run
[09:20] <deathnote> Joshooa: redone?
[09:20] <unholyskorn> they try to load, then just dissapear
[09:20] <intelikey> frit it is possable to recover files on ext2   (ext3 is ext2 + journal)  but on ext3 it's easier to find hin's teeth, snake hips and chicken lips.  in an empty room....
[09:21] <_4strO> unholyskorn: sudo envy -t
[09:21] <unholyskorn> and its static too....
[09:21] <Joshooa> deathnote: Like i was planning that Windows would only see it's C drive, the D for CD images to install my games, and then my Media part just for kicks, cause I wont use it in windows
[09:21] <ubuntu> I need help with an acer aspire 5100
[09:21] <deathnote> intelikey: what's the advantage of seperating /boot and / in different partition?
[09:21] <unholyskorn> like, 50% of the time my adept manager wont run
 id get videolan player <-- sudo apt-get install vlc ??
[09:21] <unholyskorn> not me, i got vlc, i was talking to the kid who couldnt hear his mp3's
[09:22] <deathnote> Joshooa: Media is for storage in NTFS ?
[09:22] <unholyskorn> vlc seems to load everything well
[09:22] <qbmaster> hm
[09:22] <ubuntu> no
[09:22] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yeah, like I'd reformat and reinstall on the 10GB part, and then once it's up, open up ISOs and EXEs on the remaining 30GB partition, so I wont lose my programs, just have to reinstall them, when I am used to cause of windows sucking
[09:22] <intelikey> deathnote in my case security.  but in your case, being sure that grub works correctly without error
[09:22] <qbmaster> I'll give it a shot
[09:22] <ubuntu> its fat32
[09:22] <qbmaster> one of the problems may be that those mp3s are on an NTFS partition
[09:22] <unholyskorn> k ill brb, see if ati drivers worked
[09:22] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yes, Media is where I will move all my Music and Video files to, so I can see them in Linux, and my roommates can also access them from their Windows computers, and add th eir music as well.
[09:22] <qbmaster> although the partition seems readable through linux
[09:22] <Joshooa> deathnote: Like a central media location
[09:23] <ubuntu> about the NTFS I did find a doc about reading and writing
[09:23] <intelikey> !ntfs | ubuntu
[09:23] <ubotu> ubuntu: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:23] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g > ubuntu
[09:23] <ubuntu> dood it was on google
[09:23] <intelikey> !fuse > ubuntu
[09:24] <deathnote> Joshooa: u mean u going to partition your first harddisk into 10 , 30 for windows ?
[09:24] <deathnote> Joshooa: its up to u
[09:24] <deathnote> intelikey: how big should /boot be ?
[09:24] <Joshooa> deathnote: yes, cause 10 for Windows and installed games, and 30 for ISOs for games and programs, stuff I wont need to even see in Linux, since linux can't run them
[09:24] <intelikey> deathnote not over a gig   not less than 64m
[09:25] <deathnote> Joshooa: hehe linux can run windows games too! but we'll go into that later ;p
[09:25] <Joshooa> deathnote: So my reasoning was to just pretty much ignore the 40GB drive while inside Kubuntu, which I'll mainly use
[09:25] <intelikey> i know that's a wide gap.
[09:25] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well I know, wine or Virtual, but, wouldn't that use up more resources and be more complicated? Besides, I want windows to go back to if I ever need to
[09:26] <ubuntu> I wasnt talking about that other driver for ntfs
[09:26] <ubuntu> I was talking about another method
[09:26] <intelikey> deathnote i'd also make /boot ext2
[09:26] <deathnote> Joshooa: yeah for the 200gb just partition it into 4 parts.. or u wanna try seperating /boot and / that would be 5 partitions so u have to use extended
[09:26] <intelikey> deathnote no need for a journal on that.
[09:27] <unholyskorn> Hasrat_USA are you there?
[09:27] <deathnote> i would try that on next installation....
[09:27] <qbmaster> I'm attempting to get VLC now
[09:27] <deathnote> Joshooa: i would just don't use windows completely..because what else can't be done in linux? hehe
[09:28] <Joshooa> deathnote: Isn't ext2 and ext3 extended?
[09:28] <premier_> So, I updated my fstab file, and when I rebooted, I got a few error messages that were too fast to read.  I still didnt get swap to work
[09:28] <qbmaster> I'm sure you guys get a lot of people here with little to no linux experience
[09:28] <intelikey> ok i need to do some STUFF.   you ever do STUFF ?   well i need to do some stuff now.  back in a while.
[09:28] <qbmaster> lol I almost feel embarassed
[09:28] <premier_> swap works fine when I do "swapon /dev/sda4"
[09:28] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yeah, I wish, I want to do that, but 1, I spent a lot of time getting this collection of software together, and also, I heard it's better to keep a copy of windows for gaming
[09:28] <unholyskorn> how do i tell if envy worked?
[09:28] <deathnote> i'm a newbie too..
[09:29] <intelikey> Joshooa that's ext# fs not EXT partition.... the file system format not the partition declaration.
[09:29] <ubuntu> joshooa yes
[09:29] <Joshooa> deathnote: Also, just incase in 2 weeks I can't take it and need to go back to windows for comfort, I'd hate to not have all this stuff I'm used to, and if I want windows at all, I have to install it first, so I want it installed and out of the way no
[09:29] <Joshooa> w
[09:29] <ubuntu> if you cant get it to run in wine
[09:29] <deathnote> Joshooa: no....ext2 and ext3 isn't extended.. extended means....hmm how shd i explain
[09:29] <intelikey> Joshooa you can have ext# fs on either a primary or extended partition or on a disk without a partition.
[09:30] <deathnote> Joshooa: u know harddisk can have up to 4 partitions
[09:30] <premier_> so can anyone help me with the whole swap thing?
[09:30] <Joshooa> deathnote: yeah
[09:30] <intelikey> anyway.  back in a bit.
[09:30] <deathnote> Joshooa: each partition can be primary or extended ..
[09:30] <deathnote> Joshooa: so what to do if u want 5 or more partitions?
[09:30] <Joshooa> Isn't it easier to just have windows installed on a partition and keep my windows games like Doom 3 and Fable and stuff on that, and boot into windows if I want to play games?
[09:31] <ubuntu> joshooa get a new drive
[09:31] <stdin> deathnote: use extended and logical partitions
[09:31] <qbmaster> I made a seperate partition for Linux and for Windows :)
[09:31] <Joshooa> ubuntu: I'm broke right now
[09:31] <qbmaster> (and one for the swap flie as well)
[09:31] <deathnote> Joshooa: u have to create in extended partitions.. in each extended partition u can again have 4 primary partitions
[09:31] <deathnote> ops
[09:31] <deathnote> is it 4?
[09:31] <Joshooa> deathnote: So then up to 8 total/
[09:32] <deathnote> stdin: how many partitions can u have in extended?
[09:32] <deathnote> Joshooa: yeah..somewhat expand the number of partitions..hehee!
[09:32] <stdin> deathnote: afaik, as many as you want (reasonably), I'll have to check
[09:32] <ubuntu> back to my orginal idea anyone know where I can get support for an ACER aspire 5100
[09:32] <stdin> deathnote: and they are logical partitions in extended ones. not primary :)
[09:33] <Joshooa> Is it bad to install windows, my main OS, on a hard drive that isn't the master hard drive?
[09:33] <ubuntu> I need drivers
[09:33] <deathnote> oh yah..logical....
[09:34] <deathnote> i think its bad because the bootloader for windows would be installed on the MBR of the other harddisk instead of the master harddisk (correct me if i'm wrong)
[09:34] <qbmaster> wow, I'm lost
[09:34] <ubuntu> I hate that damn bootloader
[09:34] <ubuntu> it freaking foobars windows
[09:35] <deathnote> what's foobars?
[09:35] <premier_> yeah, i can do swapon /dev/sda4, but my /dev/disk/by-uuid folder doesnt have a device that could possibly associated with sda4
[09:35] <Joshooa> deathnote: But Windows will be on the master, and Kubuntu on the slave
[09:35] <ubuntu> mickeysofts bootloader
[09:35] <unholyskorn> does anyone know why envy doesnt work?
[09:35] <sebr> whenever an application opens the audio device on kubuntu, there is this very loud shrill noise that happens :(
[09:35] <deathnote> ubuntu: i'm not very sure but will the bootloader be installed in the slave harddisk if i choose to install windows on slave harddisk?
[09:36] <unholyskorn> i installed it, ran it in konsole, selected install ati drivers, it said loaded and such, and i restart and it doesnt seem like it put them in, i still only have 800x600 resolution
[09:36] <Joshooa> I'm kinda confused
[09:36] <stdin> premier_: "sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda4" will give you the UUID of it
[09:36] <ubuntu> sebr thats a serious driver issue
[09:36] <Joshooa> I right clicked on my 8GB partition, and checked disk size, and it's 125GB
[09:36] <deathnote> Joshooa: Kubuntu can install its bootloader onto the master harddisk's MBR , even if u have it on the slave harddisk (i think..correct me if i'm wrong)
[09:37] <ubuntu> see if you can get drivers from your oem
[09:37] <sebr> ubuntu: okay, do you know where i can get info on it?
[09:37] <stdin> Joshooa, deathnote: yeah, grub can be installed anywhere you want
[09:37] <Joshooa> deathnote: I think so too, and stop saying correct you if you're wrong, since I am asking you for advice, that is VERY discouraging :P
[09:37] <ubuntu> you dont know the modle?
[09:37] <sebr> no, its a brand new pc
[09:38] <ubuntu> dude
[09:38] <Joshooa> stdin: What is the point of making a 100MB boot partition and should I do it? And why not just install Windows on the 40GB, and then Kubuntu on the 200GB?
[09:38] <qbmaster> wow it seems my transfers go quicker through linux
[09:38] <ubuntu> rtfm before you buy
[09:38] <qbmaster> a lot quicker
[09:38] <sebr> i'll get it to work
[09:38] <deathnote> stdin: is grub (the bootloader) is automatically installed in the MBR of the first master harddisk? even if you choose / to be on the slave harddisk ?
[09:38] <nonuda__> stdin, the boot process run, but i got this error : "/bin/sh : can't access tty; job control turned off"
[09:39] <unholyskorn> what driver for ati do i want to use for running beryl?
[09:39] <unholyskorn> i have envy to try to install it, but it doesnt seem to work
[09:39] <deathnote> Joshooa: i'm very new too..really..hoping to learn too..
[09:39] <deathnote> unholyskorn: my beryl doesn't seem to work..tried aiglx and glx
[09:39] <stdin> Joshooa: the only reason (I can think of) to have a separate /boot partition, is of you want to install multiple distributions and want them all to share it
[09:39] <Joshooa> deathnote: How long have you used Windows and how long have you used Linux?
[09:39] <ubuntu> I took a class in linux buh they just went 90% over vim
[09:39] <ubuntu> yey
[09:40] <stdin> deathnote: it's installed to the MBR of the drive kubuntu is installed on (i think)
[09:40] <ibc_> I know this may seem simple but where do you configure the screensaver?
[09:40] <deathnote> Joshua: half a year linux..whole life windows..had unix exp before
[09:40] <cpk1> vim is very important =D
[09:40] <ibc_> I can't find the settings for it
[09:40] <stdin> nonuda__: does the install continue tho?
[09:41] <Joshooa> stdin:  No, I just want windows on the 40, along with the windows programs/install files for them, and then Swap, Kubuntu, a shared Music/Movie Partition, and a Documents Partition on the other 200GB slave drive
[09:41] <deathnote> stdin: what if i install kubuntu to a 2nd harddisk (slave), grub won't be taking over as the boot loader?
[09:41] <ubuntu> I rather use an easier text editor
[09:41] <unholyskorn> god damn kubtunu lol
[09:41] <cpk1> ibc_: right click the desktop > configure desktop
[09:41] <premier_> stdin: can you help me?  What should my fstab file be?
[09:41] <nonuda__> nop..i'm in some kind of konsole..the prompt is (initramfs)
[09:41] <ubuntu> like edit in dos
[09:41] <cpk1> nano is really easy
[09:41] <premier_> f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0
[09:42] <premier_> thats what it is now
[09:42] <deathnote> ubuntu: like nano ?
[09:42] <ibc_> cpk1, thanks!
[09:42] <Joshooa> deathnote: Tomorrow I will have all this figured out, as all my important files are going to be on another computer, and I will have 1 blank master 40GB, and 1 blank slave 200GB to figure this mess out on
[09:42] <ubuntu> well they never went over that
[09:42] <stdin> deathnote: shouldn't, but if it does, grub can boot from the other drive too
[09:42] <ubuntu> book doesnt even cover it
[09:42] <unholyskorn> anyone have any experiance with Envy that can help me out?
[09:42] <qbmaster> hey out of curiousity, does Ubuntu automatically attempt to use compression for http requests?
[09:42] <stdin> premier_: like "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0"
[09:42] <cpk1> strawberry!
[09:43] <stdin> premier_: the "UUID=" part is important
[09:43] <ubuntu> qbmaster I dont think they would
[09:43] <deathnote> stbin: i thought normally bios boot up the first master harddisk ? unless u have a function to boot from 2nd harddisk
[09:43] <qbmaster> heh
[09:43] <qbmaster> well it's odd that I'm getting 100+KBps on this dl atm
[09:43] <premier_> stdin is "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0"  different from "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    sw              0       0" ?
[09:43] <Joshooa> deathnote: I really want to just have Kubuntu on the 40GB, and devote it all to swap and ext3, but my fear is sometime later I will want to go into windows, and wont be able to cause you can't install windows after linux cause windows will mess up the boot
[09:43] <qbmaster> when under Xp it  rarely reaches 50
[09:43] <stdin> premier_: this is my line for swap " UUID=6bbb6f03-1a3b-4bbb-8226-c67eb4d03163 none            swap    sw              0       0"
[09:43] <ubuntu> far as i kno comcast is pushing such applications
[09:43] <premier_> thanks
[09:44] <unholyskorn> i have comcast lol
[09:44] <nonuda__> stdin?
[09:44] <Joshooa> deathnote: And I thought and heard that running a windows program inside of linux will use more resources than just running it in windows, and Doom 3 is hard enough to get running smooth on here as it is
[09:44] <qbmaster> hm, the odd thing is that the other computer is the one handling the internet
[09:44] <stdin> premier_: just make sure that you use the right UUID
[09:44] <qbmaster> this one shouldn't have anything to do with it
[09:44] <qbmaster> lol
[09:44] <Joshooa> unholyskorn: Go Comcast!
[09:44] <qbmaster> (but it's cool :P)
[09:44] <Joshooa> Not really
[09:44] <cpk1> doom 3 runs natively
[09:44] <unholyskorn> comcast sucks so bad
[09:44] <stdin> nonuda__: dose the install run?
[09:44] <ubuntu> uhh connection sharing?
[09:44] <ubuntu> through windows?
[09:44] <Joshooa> cpk1: So I can put in a Doom 3 image, and install it in Linux, and it will work?
[09:44] <deathnote> Joshooa: maybe..maybe not
[09:45] <Joshooa> Yeah I hate comcast, I always get kicked off and get slow speeds, but it's free so it's ok
[09:45] <ubuntu> joshooa there is a doom 3 linux version I think
[09:45] <sebr> yes, there is
[09:45] <deathnote> Joshooa: depends......eg: i play warcraft 3 frozen throne in linux , its taking my sound card resources.. i can't play other mp3s during play
[09:45] <cpk1> there IS a doom3 linux version
[09:45] <sebr> you need to download the doom3 linux files from id
[09:45] <unholyskorn> Envy, help, please, Anyone?
[09:45] <cpk1> and I can have sound in warcraft 3 and play mp3's at the same time...
[09:45] <Joshooa> Well, I'm still new to linux, and I'm more comfortable just rebooting into Windows if I want to play warcraft 3 or Doom or Fable or anything
[09:45] <deathnote> Joshooa: but there should be a fix for it..wine hq pple say its because of my sound card isn't too gd for multi
[09:46] <qbmaster> :( What am I supposed to do with these files now?
[09:46] <ubuntu> doubt they'd give roe for free
[09:46] <qbmaster> lol
[09:46] <deathnote> cpk1: how do u do that?
[09:46] <deathnote> cpk1: u using alsa or oss for wine?
[09:46] <nonuda__> stdin, nop the install not run! i can see splah screen but it stuck with some kind of a konsole
[09:46] <Joshooa> Can I play Pocket Tanks Deluxe in Linux/
[09:47] <soon> Hi folks. I want this simple command run at boot up : iwpriv ath0 mode 2
[09:47] <soon> ...or a change in the wireless setup ... where can I do this?
[09:47] <Joshooa> Keep in mind though, this is like my 4th or 5th day in Kubuntu and Linux, so, the whole wine virtual thing just seems complicated to me
[09:47] <ubuntu> soon in the internet menu
[09:47] <unholyskorn> Why the HELL does Adept not run sometimes!
[09:47] <stdin> soon: you can add it to /etc/rc.local
[09:47] <cpk1> deathnote: dunno let me check
[09:47] <ubuntu> there is an app to change your connection
[09:48] <stdin> nonuda__: hmm
[09:48] <Ayabara> I just installed kubuntu-desktop and logged in for the first time. All looks good, except that my fonts are huge in most applications (xchat, firefox, ..). what do I need to do to fix this?
[09:48] <deathnote> stdin: if i have 2 harddisks one master one slave.. and i installed kubuntu on 2nd harddisk, how can i boot into grub when i'm booting into the master harddisk ?
[09:48] <asaup> hello
[09:48] <soon> hello?
[09:48] <qbmaster> I think I dl'ed the mac version
[09:48] <qbmaster> lol
[09:48] <nonuda__> stdin, why it said it can't access tty?
[09:48] <ubuntu> bios boot menu
[09:48] <deathnote> stdin: means i must have grub on the MBR of first harddisk?
[09:48] <ubuntu> !!!
[09:49] <deathnote> ubuntu: let's say if i don't have the option to boot from slave?
[09:49] <stdin> deathnote: you'll have to chainload, not sure how windows does it tho
[09:49] <stdin> nonuda__: not sure
[09:49] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again
[09:49] <asaup> ??
[09:49] <cpk1> deathnote: actually looks like I cant check since it seems that winecfg doesnt seem to want to work in this version
[09:49] <soon> Ubuntu ..  the gui program will only change my settings for now (no?) .. I'll try stdin's suggetion
[09:49] <ubuntu> umm about serial ata
[09:49] <deathnote> cpk1: sudo winecfg ?
[09:50] <ubuntu> how can I check to see if its detected
[09:50] <deathnote> stdin: what's chainload? can i manually instlal grub on the master harddisk MBR?
[09:50] <Joshooa> Man I really need a good linux book to read so I know all this stuff about installing windows here and linux there and knowing it will work, I hate guess and check
[09:50] <fannagoganna> hi, i have noticed that the ubuntu and kubuntu 6.10 alternate CD's don't allow one to install LVM2 systems
[09:50] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??
[09:50] <Joshooa> Mainly cause to find out if it works, I have to spend 3-6 hours installing first
[09:50] <cpk1> thats not the problem deathnote and nothing in wine needs sudo
[09:50] <fannagoganna> however, the 6.06 does
[09:50] <nonuda__> it must be something with root=/dev.... if i use the command line from the web it gave me something else...it said "waiting the root command"
[09:50] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: there are several
[09:50] <stdin> deathnote: you can choose where to install grub when installing kubuntu
[09:51] <posingaspopular> the official ubuntu bible, installin ubuntu for non geeks
[09:51] <posingaspopular> iirc
[09:51] <ubuntu> I just know that my raid fails on shutdown
[09:51] <posingaspopular> some other ones that i found at borders...
[09:51] <Hasrat_USA> okay beryl is the s&&&. on that note, it's good bye. i gotta crash
[09:51] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Hi, Ive seen you before and i like your name.  Which ones are good? And which ones are good for general linux works, and not just Ubuntu Specific?
[09:51] <Ayabara> I use gdm / kubuntu. could that be what makes my fonts to large?
[09:51] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??
[09:51] <deathnote> stdin: which part? the part where u choose partition?
[09:52] <stdin> deathnote: it'll be near the end of the install, it will ask you
[09:52] <deathnote> stdin: it asked for / /home and swap etc..i couldn't find the grub part..
[09:52] <frit> i m in love with Beryl *___*
[09:52] <nonuda__> stdin, if i install the kubuntu using my laptop hardisk in another pc which has cdrom then after the installation finish i put the hardisk back to laptop, can it work?
[09:53] <c0nv1ct> beryl is sexy eh?
[09:53] <deathnote> frit: couldn't get it working
[09:53] <frit> deathnote:  ?
[09:53] <unholyskorn> exit
[09:53] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: hmmmt thanks.. linux specifically? i cant think of any books about linux that ive read aside from 'just for fun' which is about linux torvalds.
[09:53] <frit> i made it in 5 min :o
[09:53] <posingaspopular> i duno, google?
[09:53] <ubuntu> stdin is there any info on the acer aspire 5100 and ubuntu?
[09:53] <c0nv1ct> frit: same, followed a HOWTO, was easy
[09:53] <stdin> nonuda__: it should, but that depends if you can put the laptop drive in a pc
[09:53] <c0nv1ct> frit: except i'm using Xgl, and i hear AIGLX is faster
[09:54] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??
[09:54] <premier_> I got the swap space working, although I still get unusual messages at boot that flash by too fast for me to see
[09:54] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I'm just still trying to get my head around all the structure of linux and how it all works with the kernal and all that
[09:54] <qbmaster> Hm, I don't think the mp3 problem has anything to do with the players...
[09:54] <nonuda__> yup i can put my laptop hdd in a pc using some kind of adapter...ok then thanks for help...bye
[09:54] <frit> c0nv1ct: yep i followed one howto really good with good sources etc , & i m using Xgl too , but what it's the difference ?
[09:54] <premier_> Anyway, I tried to hibernate the computer, and it did shut down, but when I restarted, it didnt do anything
[09:54] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i have those ubuntu books if u want them
[09:55] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I do
[09:55] <c0nv1ct> frit: i get horrible CPU usage when playing xvid in XGL
[09:55] <ubuntu> never did like hibernation features
[09:55] <c0nv1ct> frit: someone said AIGLX would be easier on resources
[09:55] <frit> ho ? i don't have that problem :/ c0nv1ct
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i dunno if DCC will work for me, my iptables isnt configured for it
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i can try sending if u want?
[09:56] <Joshooa> ok
[09:56] <frit> do you want my howto ? c0nv1ct
[09:56] <frit> :p
[09:56] <ubuntu> convlct what kindof router?
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> frit: ya? well i got it setup with latest nvidia drivers, dunno how it could get better
[09:56] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: actually yea, there are a bunch of books about linux and its structure. the problem is that they're all priey. linux for non geeks might be good or how linux works or linux bible
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu, no router
[09:56] <posingaspopular> those are all options
[09:56] <ubuntu> switch?
[09:57] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Thanks, I'll keep those in mind, I guess I just have to go to a local book store and look around
[09:57] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: straight to a cable bridge
[09:57] <premier_> is there supposed to be a line in my kernel options that goes "resume=something"?
[09:57] <ubuntu> ah
[09:57] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: but i have iptables configured extensively
[09:57] <frit> c0nv1ct: erm .. one thing can u speak french ?
[09:57] <unholyskorn> why does nothing work on this god damn thing
[09:57] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: yea gl with that, books about technology around here are at like 20 bucks apiece and i dont work so it hurts to buy books
[09:58] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: attempting to send
[09:58] <ubuntu> umm posing.... last I saw
[09:58] <c0nv1ct> afk 1 sec, out of smokes
[09:58] <ubuntu> and I mean saw
[09:58] <ubuntu> there are quite a few books in e format
[09:58] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Where are you from?
[09:59] <qbmaster> okay
[09:59] <unholyskorn> 20 bucks? books around here are lik 70 lol
[09:59] <qbmaster> can somebody explain to me how to install the media codecs?
[09:59] <posingaspopular> chicago. we have hardcore sales takes
[09:59] <posingaspopular> ubuntu: any good ebooks for linux?
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: DCC send doesnt seem to be working, did you get a notice?
[10:00] <ubuntu> I think there may be
[10:00] <unholyskorn> Can anyone explain to me why nothing runs proper on this damn distro?
[10:00] <Joshooa> I have a bunch of ebooks for linux, but I can't get linux to open them, just windows :)
[10:00] <ubuntu> but nothing related specifically to ubuntu
[10:00] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: No nothing
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: PDF format?
[10:00] <ubuntu> joshooa
[10:00] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: whats not running properly
[10:00] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Some are, some are chm, whatever that is
[10:00] <ubuntu> convert to pdf
[10:00] <Joshooa> ubuntu: Yeah?
[10:00] <unholyskorn> everything i run
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: there is PDF and CHM support for linux
[10:00] <unholyskorn> has about a 50% chance of actually running
[10:01] <unholyskorn> if not, it sits there saying loading, with the hourglass, then BOOM disapears
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Well they wont open, just goes grey, I am thinking something is wrong in my install, as some programs do that as well
[10:01] <qbmaster> all I see is a big string of commands that I'm not understanding yet
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Which I am told should work just fine
[10:01] <qbmaster> :/
[10:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: just search Adept or Synaptic for CHM and PDF
[10:01] <ubuntu> hell im just lucky to get this to run off the CD
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I installed ubuntu, then up'd to Kubuntu, and now a bunch of stuff wont work
[10:01] <ubuntu> few other distros I've tried crashed
[10:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: DCC started, but its not sending, lol
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Sweet
[10:01] <unholyskorn> like, ill run the damn program, and it wont run, then i try three more times and then BOOM it runs
[10:01] <stdin> !chm
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: nm it said failed
[10:02] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: which ones?
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: what are u using to open the PDFs?
[10:02] <unholyskorn> adept manager for one
[10:02] <unholyskorn> beryl
[10:02] <unholyskorn> beryl manager
[10:02] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I don't kn ow, whatever Kubunu tells me to
[10:02] <ubuntu> some debain.. kanotix 64...
[10:02] <unholyskorn> system settings
[10:02] <posingaspopular> beryl i dont touch
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: try installing KPDF and KchmViewer
[10:03] <c0nv1ct> i'm not sure if either is installed by default
[10:04] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I have KPDF as well, and it wont open them
[10:04] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: weird
[10:04] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: worked right out of the box for me
[10:04] <qbmaster> bye guys
[10:04] <ubuntu> umm I did get an mounting error... on my desktop... "mount not implimented"
[10:04] <unholyskorn> any ideas?
[10:05] <ubuntu> the other machine across the room
[10:05] <ubuntu> ofcourse
[10:05] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's why I think something is wrong with my Kubuntu install
[10:05] <Ayabara> if I change the font size in control center, do I have to restart x or the open apps to activate the change?
[10:05] <Joshooa> deathnote: I think I'm just going to take your advice and forget windows alltogether right now
[10:06] <ubuntu> joshooa
[10:06] <ubuntu> you should
[10:06] <Joshooa> ubuntu
[10:06] <ubuntu> I/ve been watching my updates
[10:06] <Joshooa> Would you guys consider ebooks media?
[10:06] <ubuntu> seems they only have been adding files
[10:06] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: strange, i installed Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu, and it opens PDFs inside of Konqueror
[10:06] <ubuntu> not replacing them
[10:06] <c0nv1ct> i have 130mb of Ubuntu related PDF and CHM ebooks
[10:07] <c0nv1ct> not exactly legal, but...
[10:07] <ubuntu> convlct I thought that would replace the os
[10:07] <Joshooa> Well I have a ubuntu DVD, and now a Kubuntu DVD, so I think I am going to install off the Kubuntu DVD to my 40GB HD, then partition the 200GB into Documents, Media, and Programs
[10:07] <c0nv1ct> no, u can 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' from Ubuntu
[10:07] <c0nv1ct> it just installs KDE and all the Kubuntu packages really
[10:07] <ubuntu> o
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> gnome angered me, so KDE it is :P
[10:08] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I know, that's what I did this time, and now most of my programs don't work
[10:08] <ubuntu> gnome was ok back in the day
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> as i spill beer on myself, brb
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> yeah, gnome 2.0 impressed me
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> but then i remembered i liked KDE when i installed Ubuntu
[10:09] <Joshooa> Like, no games work, and a lot of my settings and system things wont open anymore either
[10:09] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: odd, like what programs?
[10:09] <ubuntu> well Originally atleast on my systems kde would eat resources
[10:09] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Everything under Games
[10:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct:  printer stuff, anything that has GNOME in it or starts with G
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: I just like the QT apps, Konquere > Nautilus IMO
[10:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Just comes up all grey, and sits there forever, until I try to close it, where I have to terminate it
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: gnome stuff runs fine for me, but i've tried to use all QT-based replacements
[10:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: QT based?
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: are the gnome libs still there?
[10:11] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Should be, why wouldn't they?
[10:11] <ubuntu> eek must know if my serial ata is working
[10:11] <Joshooa> Also, why wont Kopete log me in here, I can't message anyone
[10:11] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: unless you told it to remove the original Ubuntu stuff, it should
[10:11] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i couldnt get Kopete to work right with IRC either, i use Konversation
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: All I did was type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and then reboot
[10:12] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, same as i did
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And I've already took the time to download the Kubuntu DVD, so I might as well use it
[10:12] <deathnote> For a dual core intel processor, should i use x86 or 64-bit pc installation?
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I am NOT looking forward to figuring out my network and wireless card again though
[10:12] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: knetworkmanager
[10:13] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: According to the hardware page, my Linksys card should just work right out of the box, but that was not true
[10:13] <posingaspopular> should do it for you
[10:13] <ubuntu> took me all day to get that dvd
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: by QT i mean, as opposed to GTK
[10:13] <ubuntu> hell if I should download another
[10:13] <Joshooa> I don't have knetworkmanager
[10:13] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: yourun kubuntu dont yo?
[10:13] <posingaspopular> you?
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: is it in your Adept Manager?
[10:13] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: GTK?
[10:13] <niles> hi
[10:13] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Yes I do
[10:13] <niles> i cant seem to find limewire in apt-cache search
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: gnome = GTK, KDE = QT
[10:13] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: It probably is
[10:14] <niles> anyone here use it?
[10:14] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: What> Why? I thought KDE was just KDE
[10:14] <athlon> I deleted my kubuntu-desktop package and now cant upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. Since I no longer have th 6.06 DVD, where can I download the dapper kubuntu-desktop deb package
[10:14] <stdin> !p2p | niles
[10:14] <ubotu> niles: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[10:14] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: kinda, its a DE based on QT
[10:14] <Ayabara> can anyone help? I tried to change fonts in control center, but the fonts in xchat, gaim and firefox didn't seem to change
[10:14] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: yeah..... right over my head
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: which, i believe, is the language its written in, but i'm no programmer
[10:15] <ubuntu> technically you could run gnome and kde
[10:15] <slougi> athlon: why can't you upgrade?
[10:15] <ubuntu> buh I dont know how valid that is anymore
[10:15] <Joshooa> Man I can't wait for my job interview in 10 hours
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: true, u can select at login
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: or use libraries to run GTK apps in KDE, and vise versa
[10:15] <stdin> Ayabara: firefox (and probably xchat and gaim) have there own font settings
[10:15] <ubuntu> I did however run both simutainiously in the past
[10:17] <deathnote> Joshooa: how is it
[10:17] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: google is your friend
[10:17] <posingaspopular> Run sudo apt-get update
[10:17] <posingaspopular>  Run sudo apt-get install network-manager-kde
[10:17] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: if you really do like KDE better, and you haven't done too much work so far, re-installing might be the best option
[10:17] <comp09> orhei
[10:17] <Joshooa> Yeah, another problem I have is the google search bar in firefox quit working
[10:17] <Ayabara> stdin, makes sense. guess I will have to decide on kde or gnome and tweak for my choice.
[10:17] <Joshooa> and Kopete randomly disconnects me from AIM and Yahoo
[10:17] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: weird
[10:18] <unholyskorn> this doesnt work for crap lol
[10:18] <posingaspopular> probably a bad install
[10:18] <Joshooa> AND tells me my buddy image isn't right, but I don't even have one@
[10:18] <ubuntu> its yahoo
[10:18] <Joshooa> !*
[10:18] <ubuntu> and aim
[10:18] <ubuntu> trillian does the same
[10:18] <Joshooa> I never had that problem on trillian
[10:18] <Joshooa> Oh well it's worth not having windows
[10:18] <c0nv1ct> Kopete gives me an error every time cuz my own name is in my buddy list
[10:18] <c0nv1ct> thats my only problem so far
[10:18] <c0nv1ct> stupid ex-girlfriend's buddy list merged with mine somehow
[10:19] <ubuntu> trillian use to do that aswell
[10:19] <posingaspopular> c0nv1ct: thats no good!
[10:19] <Lamington> ><
[10:19] <ubuntu> some times still does
[10:19] <c0nv1ct> yeah, now i got all her stupid friends in my list
[10:19] <posingaspopular> my ex tried to group our SN's one time, and it didnt go over too well
[10:19] <Joshooa> aw crap, I just noticed I have a 512MB swap on, and a 2.5GB swap off
[10:20] <larson9999> swap on. swap off
[10:20] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: OMG I know what you mean, that is horrible, then both SNs had ALL the buddies huh?
[10:20] <ubuntu> the clapper
[10:20] <ubuntu> lol
[10:20] <Joshooa> nerds
[10:20] <bentob0x> anybody has a good link for me to mount in my /home/ folder a network hard drive (DNS-323) at startup?
[10:20] <c0nv1ct> i know trillian was at fault too
[10:20] <c0nv1ct> cuz she added her accounts to my trillian, and bam, merged
[10:21] <Joshooa> !reiserfs
[10:21] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[10:21] <posingaspopular> ugh you dont wnat mergered screen names. ever. i just dont use trillian anymore.
[10:21] <posingaspopular> delete the account
[10:21] <ubuntu> well I think astera is going to be better
[10:21] <c0nv1ct> trillian is gone, but apparently AIM and ICQ saved the lists, and now every client picks them all up
[10:21] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I never paid for any of my windows programs
[10:21] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I felt kinda bad, but not if they were from Microsoft
[10:21] <ubuntu> shhh..
[10:21] <ubuntu> dude
[10:22] <ubuntu> you should know your being watched
[10:22] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah they do that, cause it's "convenient"
[10:22] <cpk1> since the gui isnt working how do you add users? =X
[10:22] <posingaspopular> the M$ word
[10:22] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: ah, same, dont worry, they make 10bil a year
[10:22] <Joshooa> ubuntu: I am not
[10:22] <ubuntu> yes  you are
[10:22] <posingaspopular> i had like 4000 dollars of windows software on my hd at one point. all free.
[10:22] <ubuntu> NSA is still using AT&T
[10:22] <Joshooa> ubuntu: By who?
[10:22] <posingaspopular> but i can get the ubuntu version
[10:22] <c0nv1ct> posingaspopular: 4000 is nothing :P
[10:22] <Joshooa> and no I'm not
[10:22] <posingaspopular> much nicer too
[10:22] <c0nv1ct> posingaspopular: thats just 1 Win 2k3 ent server :F
[10:22] <posingaspopular> c0nv1ct: well thats not including 30 gigsof mucis
[10:23] <posingaspopular> music
[10:23] <c0nv1ct> :D
[10:23] <c0nv1ct> dont remind me, i lost all my music in my last reformat
[10:23] <cpk1> adduser duh
[10:23] <ubuntu> be safe and backup your data before any drastic changes
[10:23] <posingaspopular> c0nv1ct: thats why i havent completly kicked windows off my hd. its gothostages!
[10:23] <ubuntu> is my rule
[10:23] <c0nv1ct> Windows made me angry, so i just nuked it all, and installed Ubuntu
[10:23] <Joshooa> If I was being watched because of that, then the whole torrent network would be shut down, cause that's where I got it all, and also you can get Peer Guardian and it blocks Government and College and fake IPs from getting to you
[10:24] <c0nv1ct> i always lose data when i get mad :P
[10:24] <unholyskorn> Woot got envy to work
[10:24] <ubuntu> technically some sites have
[10:24] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: This is why I'm just moving everything I want to another computer, in another room, upstairs, I have to REALLY fuck this up to ruin my info
[10:24] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, i've been there man, a few dozen times
[10:24] <Joshooa> some sites got shut down, but that's different than me being arrested for downloading a program
[10:24] <niles> umm... yeah.  i just rebooted and now my sound card isnt recognized in /etc/asound/cards
[10:24] <ubuntu> josh I do have to say... who has time to find all the IP adresses
[10:25] <niles> but it was there prior to rebooting
[10:25] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: my last problem was 2 failed HDDs, so i lost more than i wanted too
[10:25] <ubuntu> btw nsawatch.org
[10:25] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I always just used my 200Gig HD for stuff, it hasn't been formatted since I got it
[10:25] <niles> my sound blaster is no longer in alsamixer
[10:25] <deathnote> what's the download manager for kubuntu/kde that works like getright (multiple download per link)
[10:25] <c0nv1ct> I had a 120gb and 250gb IDE fail on me at the same time.... so much lost
[10:25] <ubuntu> er I think com
[10:25] <Werdnus> hello, adept screwed up and I now have no /sbin/init. What do I need to do to get it back (I'm chrooted into it off an OpenSUSE livecd)
[10:25] <c0nv1ct> i'm happy with my new 500gb SATA though :D
[10:25] <Werdnus> is init in a specific package?
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I just wouldn't use computers for a while, that's like a sign or something
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: But if I lose these naked pics of my ex, I'd be so pissed :D
[10:26] <c0nv1ct> oh god, thats important leverage there
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I can remake my resume and stuff, that's not very important, and redownload my music, but naked pictures, gotta have that
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah, show her to dump me!
[10:26] <Werdnus> :DD
[10:26] <c0nv1ct> my digital camcorder with my 'footage' was stolen.. who knows where that is now, lol
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Not really, we're prob getting back together once she's back in the country
[10:27] <Werdnus> "footage"?
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> explicit 'footage'
[10:27] <nalioth> c0nv1ct: you must be identified to services to /msg or /dcc folks
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Nice
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: All mine is on the computer, just some pictures and stuff with her, and I don't think it got anywhere else
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I know my friend looked at it when we split a fifth of vodka and I passed out though
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> my roomate was a media arts major... crazy stuff is on tape out there of me
[10:28] <ubuntu> http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa_octopus.jpg
[10:28] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Hopefully not all explicit
[10:28] <ubuntu> there it  is
[10:28] <c0nv1ct> college was such a crazy drunken haze, i wouldnt even know
[10:29] <c0nv1ct> but luckily, i remembered what i learned in my linux classed :D
[10:29] <unholyskorn> how do i make it so kubuntu stops asking me for my fing password?
[10:29] <ubuntu> convlct I wish I was in  your class
[10:29] <Joshooa> and that means what to me?
[10:29] <c0nv1ct> Arizona man.... best place to go to college.... oh man
[10:29] <ubuntu> my teacher might have looked to be as if he were a lame duck compared to yours
[10:29] <posingaspopular> time to bomb some nsa!
[10:30] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: what doyou mean
[10:30] <c0nv1ct> 80 degrees at midnight... hotties are a dime a dozen.... i miss it
[10:30] <unholyskorn> every time i go to run stuff, it asks for password
[10:30] <unholyskorn> can i make it not? its geting pointless
[10:30] <posingaspopular> uh root password?
[10:30] <unholyskorn> no my neighbors password
[10:30] <unholyskorn> ...
[10:30] <c0nv1ct> unholyskorn: anything that requires adminstrator privilages, it'll ask for your PW
[10:31] <DaphBobo> is there a guide for installing beryl on kubuntu? all i see is for ubuntu and has something abt gnome?? so m  a lil bit confused
[10:31] <Ash-Fox> unholyskorn, their password is: 33hotrobin
[10:31] <ubuntu> server 2003 does this aswell
[10:31] <ubuntu> if you set a password
[10:31] <c0nv1ct> DaphBobo: the HOWTOs i;ve seen are regardless of gnome or kde
[10:31] <unholyskorn> USE ENVY
[10:31] <frit> lol c0nv1ct
[10:31] <unholyskorn> Get ENVY, use it to install your display drivers
[10:32] <ubuntu> techically mickeysoft should have made that default in every guest account
[10:32] <unholyskorn> Then install beryl
[10:32] <c0nv1ct> frit: i'm drunk, what'd i do?
[10:32] <ubuntu> as to set a freakng password
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> The guest accont is by default disabled on windows.
[10:34] <unholyskorn> ok someone help me with this before i get pissed off
[10:34] <frit> c0nv1ct: drink again !
[10:34] <unholyskorn> why do my applications not run 50% of the time
[10:34] <DaphBobo> unholyskorn, that waz for me?
[10:34] <ubuntu> not realy
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> You have to PUPOSELY enable it from a admin account.
[10:34] <unholyskorn> yes daph, use Envy to setup your video drivers correctly, then install beryl using adept
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> frit: i got 8 left... 18 pack doesnt last too long
[10:34] <ubuntu> its still used for file sharing between computers
[10:34] <DaphBobo> tjanx
[10:34] <frit> lol
[10:34] <frit> !time
[10:34] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[10:34] <ubuntu> thats why I say set a password
[10:34] <ubuntu> reguardless
[10:34] <frit> oO
[10:34] <unholyskorn> HELP ME
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> for root?
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> ubuntu, no it's not, that runs under 'everybody' group.
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> nm
[10:34] <ubuntu> guest in windows
[10:34] <frit> sudo ?
[10:34] <ubuntu> oh for root... macs could use one changed
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> oh, misread that, thought u left
[10:34] <Joshooa> If my wireless card is on the hardware list on Ubuntu, and it says on there that it installs and works "out of the box" but doesn't, what do I do?
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: what kind of wireless card?
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: by what kind, i mean what chip
[10:34] <unholyskorn> get a new linux
[10:35] <Joshooa> ralink 61
[10:35] <Joshooa> I think
[10:35] <Joshooa> let me just check the site to be sure
[10:35] <ubuntu> ummm I thnk im safe in the serail ata department
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> not sure aobut that one
[10:35] <ubuntu> just need to install my ati driver
[10:35] <ubuntu> s
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> my Atheros(i think) worked fine
[10:35] <ubuntu> same
[10:35] <ubuntu> have
[10:35] <ubuntu> :D
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> Atheros is right?
[10:36] <Cugel> Just suffered a major crash -- keyboard and mouse just stopped working too. Irritating. Does anyone know where I can find some system log that could display the event?
[10:36] <ubuntu> last I checked
[10:36] <c0nv1ct> my memory fails me
[10:36] <deathnote> hi i have problem with a Ralink wireless card..its installed and can scan..but just couldn't connect to my wireless network
[10:36] <ubuntu> works in bsd as I read
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: /var/log/syslog
[10:36] <c0nv1ct> i impress my self with my drunken mind
[10:36] <ubuntu> hours ago
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: /var/log/messages
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: dmseg
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: dmesg
[10:36] <ubuntu> even ran the wifi prog
[10:37] <Joshooa> Hey, why don't I make my partitions reiserfs instead of ext3?
[10:37] <ubuntu> and to my surprise I could do things in kismet not normally in windows
[10:37] <deathnote> reisefs?
[10:37] <Joshooa> !reiserfs
[10:37] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[10:37] <cpk1> is there an autologin for kopete if you get disconnected?
[10:37] <Joshooa> That thing
[10:38] <c0nv1ct> whats the FTP client for KDE?
[10:38] <ubuntu> should do it automatically
[10:38] <posingaspopular> !ftp
[10:38] <ubuntu> tho
[10:38] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[10:38] <ubuntu> I have only been running it for a few hours
[10:38] <c0nv1ct> Konqueror? ok
[10:38] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys  I have the first card on the list
[10:38] <unholyskorn> Someone help me get beryl to load damnit
[10:39] <ubuntu> umm yea buh what chipset?
[10:39] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: then it should work :P
[10:39] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's what I thought, but it didn't
[10:39] <Joshooa> I had to do some crap, and I kinda forgot what
[10:39] <ubuntu> lol
[10:40] <ubuntu> diarea cha cha cha on the mind cha cha cha
[10:40] <paolo> hi
[10:40] <ubuntu> josh could be a reversion board
[10:40] <ubuntu> they may have changed the chipset
[10:41] <ubuntu> as anoying that is
[10:41] <Cugel> I have about a million messages in my log with 'udevd[2178] : add_to_rules: unknown key 'ATTRS{idVendor}'  -- anyknow an idea what it means?
[10:41] <c0nv1ct> can anyone assist me in setting up iptables for DCC transfers?
[10:41] <ubuntu> convl Im sticking to a nat router
[10:42] <ubuntu> and I think  you know why
[10:42] <alexicon> has anyone here setup flyspray in debian?
[10:42] <ubuntu> eek debain good luck
[10:42] <c0nv1ct> i've never gotten DCC to work through a router, but thankfully i'm not using a router now
[10:42] <ubuntu> convlct www.networkeverywhere.com
[10:42] <ubuntu> easy
[10:43] <cpk1> thats funny my black hole of a university allowed me to receive dcc's
[10:43] <c0nv1ct> i have a router, i choose not to use it :P
[10:43] <cpk1> and I think I can send them too
[10:43] <ubuntu> even can set the ident port to nowhere to become completely invisable
[10:43] <c0nv1ct> port forwarding only works for 1 internal IP, i prefer not to have that limitation
[10:44] <ubuntu> not on this one
[10:44] <Joshooa> Well I sh ould get some sleep for the interview, I'll be back later thanks for your help everyone
[10:44] <ubuntu> has more than port forwarding
[10:45] <ubuntu> I chose thisone for ease of use
[10:45] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: So, it's generally easy to get windows programs to work in Linux, like if I want to do network games I can do that?
[10:45] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i wouldnt say 'easy' but some stuff works
[10:45] <ubuntu> joshooa If I can run Damn small linux in windows
[10:46] <ubuntu> and browse webpages
[10:46] <ubuntu> .....
[10:46] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: most windows apps have a linux alternative, thats equal if not better
[10:46] <ubuntu> umm what about autocad
[10:46] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: But I mean like Doom 3 or Half Life 2 or Fable or Pocket Tanks and stuff
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: ID games have linux versions
[10:47] <ubuntu> half life is written for linux
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: not sure about Fable or Pocket Tanks
[10:47] <ubuntu> fable
[10:47] <unholyskorn> anyone get beryl to work?
[10:47] <ubuntu> not so sur
[10:47] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And I still like using Photoshop, and would like to learn it more cause it's so widely used
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> unholyskorn: ya
[10:47] <unholyskorn> can you help me out?
[10:47] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: How do I go about downloading a linux version of a game, or is it just using the same ISO image and it knows I'm in linux?
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: GIMP is the linux alternative.... though i hear its not as robust
[10:48] <ubuntu> joshooa get GIMP
[10:48] <kgraham> also get KDE
[10:48] <Joshooa> Yeah I heard GIMP wasn't as good either
[10:48] <ubuntu> dood
[10:48] <ubuntu> its not how good it is
[10:48] <ubuntu> its how you use it
[10:48] <Joshooa> SO glad I just download 11.5 hours of tutorials for Photoshop CS2
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> GIMP is pretty good, but then again, i wasnt a pro at photoshop
[10:48] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I was on my way to pro
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> lol yeah, i got mad video tutorials for adobe products
[10:49] <ubuntu> convlct I miss that magic eracer tool
[10:49] <ubuntu> made things way too easy
[10:49] <Joshooa> I want to be able to edit pictures and video files, and not sure what to use in Linux
[10:49] <c0nv1ct> i just edit stuff, resize, change colors, so GIMP works fine for me
[10:49] <kgraham> Kino for video files
[10:49] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: See, I was creating images and backgrounds and logos and stuff
[10:49] <ubuntu> think there is a crapload of video athor
[10:50] <c0nv1ct> i have ps CS2 in Vista, and i have to admit, i do like it better
[10:50] <Joshooa> yeah, I want to be able to make and edit movies for YouTube
[10:50] <deathnote> !photoshop
[10:50] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:50] <ubuntu> last I checked theres a linux distro for just that
[10:50] <ubuntu> only works in x86
[10:50] <ubuntu> buh Its called elive
[10:50] <c0nv1ct> i have seen people installing adobe/macromedia stuff in WINE though
[10:50] <Joshooa> and my best friend/future girlfriend is a Mass Com major and is WAY into video stuff and directing, so I want to be able to help with that
[10:50] <Joshooa> And can't use Adobe After Effects or anything anymore, well, as easily
[10:50] <Joshooa> I heard of VideoLinux
[10:51] <c0nv1ct> yeah :\ i keep Windows dual booted just for that kind of stuff
[10:51] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: See, that's what I was trying to do, but you all convinced me to not do it
[10:51] <deathnote> Joshooa: check out http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[10:51] <ubuntu> dude I can show you elive
[10:51] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And JUST have kubuntu
[10:51] <ubuntu> lemme get the link
[10:51] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i was not part of that :P
[10:51] <unholyskorn> god danm this thing
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> i'd love to remove MS from my computer... but i cant just yet
[10:52] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Thanks, I was just about go to bed, and now you got me all confused and worried again
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> i gotta have it there, just in case
[10:52] <ubuntu> ummm I just had a long beep
[10:52] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I've had Kubuntu for 4 days, and I'm ready to totally remove MS tomorrow
[10:52] <deathnote> Joshooa: look under video / photo editing
[10:52] <ubuntu> Im not sure if bios is telling me something
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: me too, its my life long quest
[10:52] <deathnote> jus apt-get those u want..its cool
[10:52] <kgraham> I've done it..and am a Video Engineer and not looking back to MS
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: but untill i can play my games in linux, Vista stays on my other HDD
[10:53] <ubuntu> http://www.elivecd.org/
[10:53] <Joshooa> wtf it wont add the bookmark
[10:53] <Joshooa> I keep clicking add and it's just sitting there mocking me, not in my bookmarks menu!
[10:53] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: research it, you may be able to run those adobe apps in wine
[10:53] <Joshooa> oh fuck
[10:53] <deathnote> konqueor?
[10:53] <Joshooa> I closed it, and now I have like 20 bookmarks of it! :P
[10:54] <Joshooa> So i guess it was adding but not closing the dialogue box
[10:54] <ubuntu> lol
[10:54] <deathnote> lol...............
[10:54] <ubuntu> os lag
[10:54] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I am not switching over to Linux just to Emulate my Windows Experience though
[10:54] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I'm trying to go ALL open source if I can
[10:54] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And if not, then I'll just dual boot
[10:54] <ubuntu> umm windows from a distance as I like to call it
[10:55] <unholyskorn> why is it every fing time i do something it says to do something fs up
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, that would be the goal, but honostly, not everything has a Linux equivelant
[10:55] <unholyskorn> it says add this to the repository, i do, and next time i run adept it crashes
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: not as long as MS has developers in their pocket
[10:55] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Then I'll just have to learn programming and make them
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: please do! lol
[10:55] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I'll get ont hat
[10:56] <ubuntu> crap there it is again
[10:56] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I have excellent compuper skills
[10:56] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: make DirectX10 work in linux while yer at it :P
[10:56] <ubuntu> another long bios beep
[10:56] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Give me a week
[10:56] <unholyskorn> how do i fix a bad repository in adept?
[10:56] <deathnote> what do u mean by non-free packages? can u still install and use it without paying?
[10:56] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Although it doesn't even work in windows yet, so maybe 2
[10:56] <deathnote> eg: flashplugin-nonfree
[10:56] <deathnote> unholyskorn: check out /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <unholyskorn> i did death
[10:57] <unholyskorn> and i deleted the bad one
[10:57] <deathnote> what's in it?
[10:57] <unholyskorn> and the damn thing still errors out
[10:57] <premier_> I almost destroyed my operating system just now
[10:57] <unholyskorn> deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
[10:57] <unholyskorn> i added that fing thing like it said
[10:57] <unholyskorn> and it broke
[10:57] <deathnote> unholyskorn: after that u need to type apt-get update -y; apt-get upgrade -y; apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[10:57] <deathnote> unholyskorn: just do an apt-get update
[10:58] <deathnote> unholyskorn: after changes
[10:58] <unholyskorn> doesnt work
[10:58] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: So how do you suggest I set up my 40GB and 200GB Hard drives for Windows/Kubuntu/Media/Documents, hmm?
[10:58] <deathnote> error msg?
[10:58] <premier_> I hibernated, and then rebooted the computer, and it didnt recognized the saved state.  Then, I rebooted, and it did recognized the saved state, and it became corrupted
[10:58] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i'd give Windows the 40gb, and Linux the 200gb
[10:58] <unholyskorn> deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
[10:58] <unholyskorn> unholyskorn@BlackdragonLinux:~$ apt-get update -y
[10:58] <unholyskorn> E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[10:58] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: if you plan on using Linux for most of your activities
[10:58] <deathnote> premier_: what is corrupted? the whole harddisk or a file?
[10:58] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's what I was saying, but then I was told to make root on the 40, boot on the 200 and all this other crap that split them up
[10:59] <deathnote> unholyskorn: paste me the line 34?
[10:59] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I do, but 200 is also the slave
[10:59] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: right now, i have 250gb SATA drive for Vista, with just Adobe/Macromedia and Games, then 500gb SATA drive all for Ubuntu
[10:59] <ubuntu> eek got to shut down
[10:59] <ubuntu> keep geting a bios beep
[10:59] <premier_> deathnote: apparently the whole disk, at least the partition.  fsck demanded that it be run manually, and i did, then I just pressed "y" (for yes) over and over, and it seems to have fixed it all
[10:59] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: cuz i do all my downloading and mp3/video playing in linux
[11:00] <unholyskorn> why the F does this not run correctly
[11:00] <ubuntu> later ppl
[11:00] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah I want something like that, but I want the 40GB split into Windows installed, and Windows program install files (like Doom 3 Images), and then the 200GB into Swap, Kubuntu, Shared Music Drive, and then My Documents and stuff too
[11:00] <deathnote> premier_: hmmm so now there are some corrupted files? could it due to your harddisk is old and having some bad sectors?
[11:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: the tough part is deciding what you want Linux and Windows to share
[11:01] <deathnote> unholyskorn: paste me the line 34 in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I t hink windows being installed is what messed up my wireless card, and also my ... something else was messed up but I forgot
[11:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: cuz Linux can read Windows, but not vise versa
[11:01] <unholyskorn> i fixed it death
[11:01] <deathnote> unholyskorn: so what's the new error msg?
[11:01] <premier_> deathnote: my laptop is only about 6 months old.  I think all the corrupted files are fixed... it boots anyway, and everything seems fine
[11:01] <unholyskorn> its fixed
[11:01] <unholyskorn> there was a wierd Y with two dots over it in the string
[11:02] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's my hard part, but I want Windows to be able to see my documents, and the Media and Programs ones cause they are also going to be available on the network for my roommates to use, who could still install those Windows Programs
[11:02] <deathnote> premier_: oic.. try hibinate again and see if same thing happens?
[11:02] <deathnote> unholyskorn: huh?
[11:02] <deathnote> unholyskorn: ps aux | grep adapt
[11:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, best bet is to put your MP3s and other media on a NTFS partition then
[11:02] <deathnote> unholyskorn: what u see?
[11:02] <premier_> deathnote: not sure... will I risk doing it again... or making it worse?
[11:03] <premier_> deathnote: btw, my usb devices seem to be preventing hibernation.  Can I disable checking on this or something?
[11:03] <deathnote> unholyskorn: ps aux | grep adept i mean
[11:03] <Joshooa> well this is fantastic
[11:03] <Joshooa> Now my drive is too full to empty the trash
[11:04] <premier_> Joshooa: lol
[11:04] <Joshooa> How does that even happen?
[11:04] <Joshooa> I can't delete anything, and I can't empty the trash, what now
[11:04] <deathnote> premier_: its better to simulate than avoid right? hehe
[11:04] <deathnote> premier_: let me try to hibernate my laptop..brb
[11:04] <premier_> guess
[11:04] <athlon> dang it. I asked this like an hour ago and forgot to check if anyone answered me. Let me try again.
[11:04] <athlon> I deleted my kubuntu-desktop package and now cant upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. Since I no longer have th 6.06 DVD, where can I download the dapper kubuntu-desktop deb package
[11:04] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: wow, thats pretty messed up
[11:04] <deathnote> premier_: are u using edgy?
[11:05] <Joshooa> I feel like i'm still in Windows
[11:05] <c0nv1ct> k, i think i setup my firewall right, anyone wanna see if i can DCC them ubuntu books?
[11:05] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Me
[11:05] <premier_> deathnote: hai, so desu ne (yes)
[11:05] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: But I'm on Kopete, will that matter?
[11:06] <c0nv1ct> hmm. i get an error about not being registered on freenode
[11:06] <Joshooa> Me too!
[11:06] <Joshooa> But I so am
[11:06] <Joshooa> I don't care what it says
[11:07] <Joshooa> I wish I could go to the site, register there, and then use that info here, not have to message nick about it
[11:07] <c0nv1ct> well, i registered, now what, lol
[11:07] <Joshooa> exactly
[11:08] <c0nv1ct> try /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[11:09] <c0nv1ct> it seems to just hang on 'waiting for remote users acceptance'
[11:09] <posingaspopular> i think unholy got angry that he couldnt config ubuntu
[11:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah I can't msg nickserv, it doesn't do anything
[11:11] <unholyskorn> arrg this is so stupid
[11:11] <Joshooa> I say set unfiltered on
[11:11] <Joshooa> and that's it
[11:11] <posingaspopular> do /msg NickServ
[11:11] <premier_> man, did deathnote destroy his computer trying to replicate my error?  Thats just asking for trouble, i think
[11:11] <posingaspopular> thats it
[11:11] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It doesn't do anything
[11:12] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: you're still having problems?
[11:12] <Joshooa> I mean it opens a window to him, but he wont ever respond
[11:12] <posingaspopular> type 'help'
[11:12] <unholyskorn> yes, im trying to get this stupid beryl to work
[11:12] <unholyskorn> i installed the ati drivers using envy
[11:12] <unholyskorn> i then installed xgl and such through adept
[11:12] <unholyskorn> then i installed beryl
[11:12] <posingaspopular> ah man you said beryl and ati.
[11:12] <posingaspopular> xgl AND beryl
[11:12] <posingaspopular> ?
[11:13] <unholyskorn> and i run it, and the icon loads but it wont go into it
[11:13] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: did that work.../
[11:13] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Did what work?
[11:13] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: do /msg NickServ
[11:13] <posingaspopular> then type help
[11:14] <Death-Angel> Bonjour tout le monde
[11:14] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It opens a window, but nothing happens
[11:14] <unholyskorn> whats wrong with xgl and beryl?
[11:14] <posingaspopular> yea, type 'help'
[11:14] <Joshooa> I say help
[11:14] <Death-Angel> erf it's a english chan :S
[11:14] <posingaspopular> ~fr
[11:14] <unholyskorn> Install Beryl on Ubuntu Edgy with XGL and ATI (Automatic installation)
[11:14] <posingaspopular> ~fr
[11:14] <unholyskorn> says it on thier site
[11:14] <posingaspopular> !fr
[11:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:15] <Death-Angel> thx ;)
[11:15] <posingaspopular> i dont touch beryl or xgl honestly
[11:15] <unholyskorn> :(
[11:15] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: you say help and...
[11:15] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: ..../
[11:15] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: try #beryl
[11:15] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: That's all that happens
[11:15] <unholyskorn> noone is in there talking
[11:15] <posingaspopular> or #ubuntu-effects
[11:16] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It shows me saying help, and that's it
[11:16] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: who are you messaging
[11:16] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: nickserv@irc.kde.org
[11:17] <posingaspopular> it should be nickserv@services....
[11:17] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Oh, it's not... but if I try /msg nickserve, cause I did that once, it doesn't work and it tells me he's not there
[11:17] <c0nv1ct> crap, its late, i gotta sleep, cya guys
[11:18] <posingaspopular> SERV
[11:18] <posingaspopular> no e
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Same if I try adding @services
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I know
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: My point was that he's there
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Otherwise it would tell me he's not
[11:19] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: But obviously, he's there and it's sending cause I don't get a user doesn't exist error
[11:19] <posingaspopular> how are you adding a '@services'
[11:19] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I typed it in, but it still adds @irc.kde.org anyway
[11:19] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: But I thought I'd give it a try
[11:20] <posingaspopular> maybe one of the freenode ops can help you
[11:20] <posingaspopular> that makes no sense tome
[11:21] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Well I'll just go to bed, I'm tired of this, and also of not having enough free space to delete
[11:22] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: what part are you using
[11:22] <posingaspopular> to connect
[11:23] <Joshooa> part?
[11:23] <Joshooa> You mean Kopete?  I think it may be a Kopete problem
[11:23] <Joshooa> but I can message and talk with ubotu just fine
[11:23] <posingaspopular> port
[11:23] <posingaspopular> port
[11:23] <posingaspopular> !ubotu
[11:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:24] <posingaspopular> !nickserv
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickserv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <xnp> ! oxygen
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oxygen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <posingaspopular> !hydrogen
[11:24] <ubotu> hydrogen: Simple drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2 (edgy), package size 3267 kB, installed size 9192 kB
[11:24] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: i duno i dont use kopote
[11:24] <posingaspopular> konversation forme
[11:24] <posingaspopular> but night
[11:24] <Joshooa> !why you're so cool
[11:25] <Joshooa> heh
[11:25] <unholyskorn> !bawls
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bawls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <Joshooa> he sent me a message sa ying "I'm only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent"
[11:25] <Joshooa> !seamonkeys
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <Joshooa> I love being easily entertained
[11:25] <posingaspopular> !toasters
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toasters - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <stdin> !botabuse
[11:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:26] <Joshooa> !anything
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <posingaspopular> oppr right stdin
[11:26] <Joshooa> heh
[11:26] <posingaspopular> sorry
[11:26] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: people get banned for doing that
[11:26] <Joshooa> Ok I'm done
[11:27] <Joshooa> But I did make him say he doesn't know anything about anything
[11:27] <Joshooa> So, that was pretty cool
[11:27] <stdin> just /msg ubotu something instead of flooding the channel :)
[11:27] <Joshooa> I know, sorry
[11:27] <nelly26dragon> premier_ hey what does the k mean in kde?
[11:27] <posingaspopular> stdin: but he seriouslyshold know a thing or two about toasters
[11:27] <posingaspopular> !kde
[11:27] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[11:27] <stdin> nelly26dragon: the K means "K"
[11:27] <Joshooa> Kool?
[11:27] <premier_> nelly26dragon: it means kiss my...
[11:28] <nelly26dragon> oh thanks! Krispilicious it is
[11:28] <posingaspopular> whats the name of the kde dragon?
[11:28] <allan__> lol
[11:28] <Joshooa> Konqi
[11:28] <posingaspopular> oh k
[11:28] <Joshooa> isn't it/
[11:28] <nelly26dragon> 1 point for joshooa
[11:28] <unholyskorn> how do i delete a file in terminal under sudo?
[11:28] <Joshooa> woo!
[11:28] <unholyskorn> sudo del? lol
[11:28] <allan__> sudo rm.. heheh
[11:29] <allan__> gtg
[11:29] <posingaspopular> rm rt /filename
[11:29] <posingaspopular> iirc
[11:29] <Joshooa> does my point roll over till tomorrow if I go to bed now/
[11:29] <nelly26dragon> sure
[11:29] <nelly26dragon> as long as you barrel roll on your bed first
[11:29] <Joshooa> sweet
[11:29] <posingaspopular> !sleep | Joshooa
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sleep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:29] <posingaspopular> this bot is broken... :(
[11:29] <Joshooa> !abuse | posingaspopular
[11:29] <ubotu> posingaspopular: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:29] <premier_> Joshooa: for your trash problem, have you tried rm at the command line?
[11:30] <allan__> im running kubuntu under VirtualBoxx
[11:30] <frit`fonsday> how can i change the name displayed in a terminal ? those name -- > frit@frit-desktop:/$
[11:30] <Joshooa> premier_: Nope
[11:30] <allan__> its great...
[11:30] <Joshooa> Man I hate it when I forget to type cd first
[11:30] <unholyskorn> omg is it really 5:30 in the fing morning?
[11:31] <premier_> Joshooa: figure out the name and location of a file you want to delete, and then type "rm <name of file>" at the command line
[11:31] <stdin> frit`fonsday: by changing your username and hostname
[11:31] <Joshooa> and it tells me I'm a directory, and I'm like, "Uh... y eah, I know! Oh, wait"
[11:31] <frit`fonsday> nope unholyskorn its 11.31 am :D
[11:31] <Joshooa> premier_: Working on it, I'll let you know
[11:31] <unholyskorn> no its not
[11:31] <frit`fonsday> :p
[11:31] <nelly26dragon> unholyskorn yes it is! but it's only 2:31 here, but i love morning fings too! Lady fings with milk = yum
[11:31] <premier_> Joshooa: try a file, not a directory
[11:31] <unholyskorn> my sister in law is having a baby today
[11:32] <frit`fonsday> stdin: where can i change it so ? kde control panel ?
[11:32] <xnp> posingaspopular: what about hydrogen
[11:32] <Joshooa> premier_: It seems to have worked
[11:32] <posingaspopular> 4 30 all of you are crazy
[11:32] <premier_> good
[11:32] <nelly26dragon> yay!
[11:33] <premier_> Joshooa: do you think if you delete enough, you can get your trash to work again?
[11:33] <unholyskorn> my sister in law is having a baby boy today and she doesnt even got a name lol
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: I hope
[11:33] <posingaspopular> xnp: nothing i was justmessing around with thebot, but apparently hydrogen is real
[11:33] <Cugel> unholy: that's no uncommon...
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: But everything I wanted to delete is in the trash!
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: I don't kn ow what else to delete
[11:33] <premier_> Joshooa: thats a really bizarre error
[11:33] <unholyskorn> well you got 9+ fing months to choose 1 thing lol
[11:33] <premier_> can you navigate to your trash folder wth konqueror?
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: Yeah, I'm not too concerned cause I plan to reinstall everything tomorrow
[11:33] <unholyskorn> we had one for my daughter when she was like 3 months prego lol
[11:34] <Joshooa> premier_: Um, hold on
[11:34] <Cugel> Yeah in the end you just pick the first name that's on your mind.
[11:34] <nelly26dragon> Joshooa are you able to burn DVDs?
[11:34] <stdin> frit`fonsday: System Settings -> User Management (for the username) and System Settings -> Network Settings -> Domain Name System (for the hostname)
[11:34] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: baby sat two babies yesterday... nightmare.
[11:34] <unholyskorn> heh, i have a 2 and a half year old daughter, her name is Abigail
[11:34] <Joshooa> premier_: Yeah in it
[11:34] <Joshooa> nelly26dragon: Yes I did before
[11:34] <Joshooa> nelly26dragon: Haven't tried since this error
[11:35] <frit`fonsday> k thx a lot stdin :)
[11:35] <stdin> yw
[11:35] <premier_> Joshooa: to the biggest file, and right click, then select "copy"
[11:35] <Joshooa> nelly26dragon: But also I didn't have much luck with burning either, first it said 3.8GB was too much for my DVD, then when I finally got it, and it was verifying data, at 99.5% it failed
[11:35] <premier_> Joshooa: then go to the command line, type rm, and paste
[11:35] <Joshooa> premier_: ooh ok
[11:35] <premier_> then delete the part that says "file://"
[11:36] <Joshooa> premier_: No such file or directory
[11:36] <Joshooa> premier_: Even though I am looking at it in Konquerer
[11:36] <intelikey> i'm having a lot of dpkg errors installing things....   i'm having to edit the .postinst scripts to get past them...
[11:37] <Cugel> intelli: what kind of errors?
[11:37] <Joshooa> premier_: nvm
[11:37] <Cugel> the only errors I always get are dependency problems.
[11:37] <Joshooa> premier_: Did it again and it worked
[11:37] <unholyskorn> WHY WHY WHY WHY THE F does programs not work 50% of the time in kubuntu
[11:37] <intelikey> postinst script failed.
[11:37] <Joshooa> error is still there t  hough
[11:37] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: which ones?
[11:37] <posingaspopular> what version?
[11:37] <posingaspopular> etc
[11:37] <unholyskorn> everything
[11:37] <unholyskorn> from adept manager, to beryl manager
[11:38] <cpk1> how would I get wine to be run as a different user through my X session? wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Warcraft\ III/Frozen\ Throne.exe -opengl X:0 gets angry at me
[11:38] <unholyskorn> 50% of the time they sit there with the loading icon then dissapear
[11:38] <nelly26dragon> unholyskorn you have to think positively! "Good thing kubuntu runs programs 50% of the time instead of not working at all!"
[11:38] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: its most likely a bad install
[11:38] <posingaspopular> that stuff happens
[11:38] <Joshooa> wow
[11:38] <Joshooa> So, when I do ls, what can I put after it to make it easier to read
[11:38] <Joshooa> cause if I try man ls, there's not enough room on the device
[11:39] <Joshooa> gzip: stdout: No space left on deviceman: command '/bin/gzip -dc /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz' failed with exit status 256
[11:39] <cpk1> ls -l has nice output imo
[11:39] <Joshooa> I tried that, it looked the same to me
[11:39] <Joshooa> oh no I see it now with the window maximize
[11:39] <Joshooa> d
[11:39] <intelikey> Joshooa what do you mean "easier to read" ?
[11:40] <Joshooa> intelikey: nvm i got it
[11:41] <Joshooa> Okay, so I deleted EVERYTHING but one thing I can't figure out how to type right, with rm, still have error, still can't man anything
[11:41] <posingaspopular> blackflag: sorry to bother you, dig the nick though
[11:41] <unholyskorn> good thing 50%?
[11:41] <unholyskorn> ill just go back to windows if thats the case
[11:41] <intelikey> Joshooa /tmp full ?
[11:41] <unholyskorn> ive never had a distro run like such crap
[11:42] <unholyskorn> hell im thinkin about goin back to suse if this is how this thing runs lol
[11:42] <intelikey> or /var/cache/man full ?
[11:42] <nelly26dragon> unholyskorn anything as long as it isn't mac
[11:43] <intelikey> or M$
[11:44] <Joshooa> intelikey: I don't know how do I check
[11:44] <intelikey> Joshooa df -h
[11:44] <Joshooa> how do I see what's in my root folder with Konqueror
[11:44] <intelikey> are any of the mounted devices more than 90% used up ?
[11:44] <intelikey> Joshooa you "show hidden files"
[11:44] <nelly26dragon> how much space do you have left on your hard drive anyways joshooa?
[11:44] <intelikey> in konq's menus
[11:44] <Joshooa> that doesn't show tmp or var in terminal
[11:44] <Joshooa> just my /dev/hda2             7.4G  7.4G     0 100% /
[11:44] <Joshooa> intelikey: Thnx
[11:45] <intelikey> yeah it shows / and both may be on /
[11:45] <premier_> besides kubuntu are there any distros that are particularly "good" ie they dont give the user a lot of trouble or break all the time?
[11:45] <Joshooa> intelikey: That's so funny, cause I had that on to get to my trash, then re hid them when I was done
[11:45] <intelikey> ok that's the problem.   what did you copy there ?
[11:45] <premier_> Joshooa: your hard drive is very small.  Is it an old computer?
[11:45] <Joshooa> ubuntu was more stable for me, but not as pretty
[11:45] <intelikey> Joshooa how did you fill up / ?
[11:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: Nothing, I tried deleting a DVD image and some video clips that were on my desktop, they moved to the trash, and then that's where my problem came from
[11:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: I was almost full, so I copied those to my other computer, then sent to trash, went to empty trash, and now I'm here
[11:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: But I've already went into ttrash and rm all of those, and then shift+del the last one
[11:46] <intelikey> Joshooa and you don't have a seperate /home partition i see...    empty the trash.
[11:47] <Joshooa> intelikey: You didn't see this whole problem did you?
[11:47] <intelikey> no
[11:47] <Joshooa> intelikey: That IS the problem, it wont let me empty the trash, cause I don't have enough room
[11:47] <intelikey> just came in.
[11:47] <nelly26dragon> joshooa are u not able to restore then delete without putting it in the trash?
[11:47] <Joshooa> no
[11:48] <Joshooa> no opion to restore, if I open trash, now it's empty cause I manually rm everything, but my drive is still 100% full
[11:48] <intelikey> Joshooa ok.   in the konsole   sudo rm -r ~/local/trash        "if that's the correct address"
[11:48] <xnp> anybody know about the program linux multimedia studio
[11:49] <Joshooa> well it seemed to rm, but, stil 100% full
[11:49] <intelikey> didn't you have like 200g of space ?
[11:49] <Joshooa> On my other drive
[11:49] <Joshooa> right now I'm running off an 8GB partition in my 40 GB HD
[11:49] <Joshooa> Cause I was testing out Kubuntu
[11:49] <Joshooa> But tomorrow I should be re-installed with much more space
[11:50] <intelikey> ok.
[11:50] <Joshooa> Still not sure If I'll have windows or not
[11:50] <rappie> 
[11:50] <nelly26dragon> keep windows for backup
[11:50] <Joshooa> But then I have to do more partitions!
[11:50] <Joshooa> But I may, that is my original thought
[11:50] <Joshooa> Backup, cause I know how to use it, and to play games in
[11:51] <nelly26dragon> you never know when you'll need to jump through the windows for emergency purposes
[11:51] <Joshooa> Plus, I've collected a lot of software over the years, and being in dial up that whole time, I'd hate to just delete all my programs and stuff I have for windows
[11:51] <premier_> Joshooa: if you have the money, you should by an external hard drive, then backup windows onto it and start using linux
[11:51] <nelly26dragon> very true
[11:51] <nelly26dragon> very yes
[11:51] <Joshooa> premier_: I don't
[11:52] <premier_> zannen desu ne
[11:52] <intelikey> Joshooa you might sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop     *that will dump you into a console, don't panic! *    login and sudo rm what ever trash there is clean out /tmp   sudo rm -r /tmp/*  and   sudo rm -r /tmp/.???*   then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start   see if it fixes it.
[11:53] <nelly26dragon> btw i'm not sure if you SHOULD really be trying to keep system files for 2 Operating systems on that 40 gig hard drive
[11:53] <nelly26dragon> that'll take up too much space
[11:53] <nelly26dragon> especially the windows stuff
[11:53] <Joshooa> premier_: What I want to do, is take my 40GB, install WIndows on it, and copy over all the Windows related software, then partition my 200GB into Swap, Kubuntu, Shared Media, and Documents drives
[11:53] <intelikey> might clean out ~/.kde/*/cache too
[11:53] <Joshooa> intelikey: Will do, brb
[11:53] <Joshooa> wait
[11:53] <Joshooa> should I write all this down before I do this?
[11:54] <posingaspopular> yes
[11:54] <posingaspopular> !
[11:54] <intelikey> when you issue the kdm stop command you will be killing X and everything in it
[11:54] <Joshooa> Okay
[11:54] <ForgeAus> hey inteli :)
[11:54] <Joshooa> Problem with that
[11:54] <intelikey> ForgeAus
[11:54] <ForgeAus> you'll be glad to know I'm in kubuntu chatting to you now :)
[11:54] <Joshooa> I don't think I can get back online if I do th at, cause I don't think my wireless card setting will hold, cause they never do
[11:54] <ForgeAus> (not like XP yesterday)
[11:54] <Joshooa> Way to go Forge!
[11:55] <Joshooa> Not sure what's going on, but not in XP = Good
[11:55] <intelikey> Joshooa it's not a reboot.
[11:55] <Joshooa> intelikey: I still don't want to risk it, plus I am copying files over my network right now
[11:55] <intelikey> well that would be broken.
[11:56] <Joshooa> Yeah
[11:56] <intelikey> but i don't think you would loose connectivity.
[11:56] <Joshooa> Also
[11:56] <Joshooa> I can't even delete files off of my hdb1
[11:56] <intelikey> you would break the dl.    or  ul  which ever it is.
[11:56] <Joshooa> ul
[11:56] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: permissions
[11:57] <Joshooa> Taking everything off my computer so that tomorrow I can erase all my hard drives
[11:57] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It wont let me change permissions, I can change the drop down menu, but when I hit okay, it tells me no
[11:58] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: computers are crazy...
[11:58] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Yeah
[11:58] <Joshooa> Is there a way I can get GPart to boot off my USB and then put that in, and then boot up, and use it to format both drives into all the partitions I want?
[11:58] <intelikey> yeah.  it's weird.  they call it "deleting"   when you click and "move to trash"  but what it does is makes two copies on the hd and they call that deleting.... heh
[11:58] <posingaspopular> !grub
[11:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:58] <Joshooa> and THEN do my installs, without having to do the partitioning during Windows/Kubuntu install?
[11:59] <Lynoure> Joshooa: there is a gpart livecd. Maybe that could be tweaked to run off usb drive, too.
[11:59] <Joshooa> Lynoure: I think so, I read something about it, but not  how to or anything, but I believe there is
[11:59] <Lynoure> Joshooa: but it does fit on a business card cdrom, so that's quite tiny too
[11:59] <Joshooa> Lynoure: Although I can't use my hard drive to get any files so I don't know what I'll do about that
[11:59] <intelikey> Joshooa nope.  the gui installer insists on formating the / or it wont install
[12:00] <intelikey> sick i know, but imo the whole gui installer is sick.
[12:00] <Joshooa> intelikey: You don't have to format
[12:00] <intelikey> on the live CD ?
[12:00] <intelikey> yeah you have to format /
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: Someone on a forum was trying to do an install and didn't want to format, he didn't
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: Although, I am both new and not positive I know what he's talking about, so I'll just believe you
[12:01] <intelikey> unless they changed it between dapper and edgy you do.
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: He was trying to dual install 5.1 and 6.1
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: I remember that much
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: And he asked, "If I choose format drive, will it erase everything?"
[12:02] <intelikey> 5.10 and 6.10 ?
[12:02] <Joshooa> intelikey: Uh...  yeah
[12:02] <intelikey> the numbers are year.month
[12:02] <Joshooa> intelikey: ok
[12:02] <intelikey> so 6.06 is the same as 6.6  but 6.10 != 6.1
[12:03] <intelikey> see the differance ?
[12:03] <Joshooa> I see, but now I'm not sure what versions he was talking about
[12:04] <Joshooa> I know it was 5.# and 6.#
[12:04] <intelikey> anyway.  if you use the liveCD and don't let it format /    on the 6.6 live CD it won't work.   the 6.10 may have changed.
[12:05] <intelikey> liveCD installer came out in 6.6 so before that it's all cli installer   well ncurses text mode.
[12:05] <intelikey> like the "laternate install cd"
[12:05] <Joshooa> Yeah, I couldn't understand why he didn't want to, because from what I understood, it would make them both use the same root and home files, I think
[12:05] <Joshooa> Again though, too new to be sure
[12:06] <Joshooa> Well I really should be in bed, I have an interview in 8 h ours
[12:06] <intelikey> could be what he thought he wanted but i can assure you that installing two versions on one root will cause lots of problems.
[12:07] <Joshooa> whoa
[12:07] <Joshooa> wait
[12:07] <Joshooa> I thought it would too
[12:07] <Joshooa> So
[12:07] <Joshooa> i was closing windows getting ready to go to bed, and I have GParted open
[12:08] <intelikey> many files overwriten and some having dependancies that nothing ever uses anymore.... configs that are not over writen are dubbled....
[12:08] <Joshooa> and it says...  /dev/hda2 is ext3, blah blah blah, Size 7.48GB, Used 4.47GB, Unused 3.93GB, how in the world
[12:08] <Joshooa> and that free space would match up to the dvd I deleted
[12:08] <Joshooa> roughly
[12:09] <intelikey> that's what i was trying to tell you.  closing the gui will probably release the space.    and restarting it would then have all kinds of free room
[12:10] <Joshooa> Well, I'll get to it tomorrow
[12:10] <Joshooa> After I get everything copied over
[12:10] <intelikey> but rming anything in trash while it was down was a precaution i was adding.   and hoping that my guess was right on konq reporting incorrectly.
[12:10] <Joshooa> cause i don't want to risk breaking my wireless connection, just so I can fix it to copy a few more things to reformat
[12:11] <Joshooa> I just don't get how it got so full
[12:11] <intelikey> ok.   did you close konqueror  and in the konsole do   df -h again   that might be all it needs...
[12:12] <Joshooa> nope still 100% used
[12:12] <intelikey> yeah.  well tomarrow then.
[12:12] <Joshooa> but is 2.6.12-10 My kernel version?
[12:12] <Joshooa> -generic
[12:12] <intelikey> could be.  but that's not new.
[12:12] <intelikey> uname -r
[12:13] <intelikey> uname -r   <<< displays kernel version
[12:13] <intelikey> for the running kernel.
[12:13] <intelikey> ls /lib/modules  can show all installed versions.
[12:14] <Joshooa> well then yes it is my kernel
[12:14] <Joshooa> what is the new kernel
[12:14] <Joshooa> That's the one I got when I downloaded Ubuntu
[12:14] <Joshooa> ls /lib/modules
[12:14] <Joshooa> ha, sorry
[12:14] <Joshooa> wrong window
[12:14] <Joshooa> it's on top so I thought it was selected
[12:14] <intelikey> on edgy... 2.6.17-something....
[12:15] <oem> how do i open or install an Rpm format program?
[12:15] <Joshooa> whoops
[12:15] <Joshooa> I meant 17
[12:15] <Joshooa> 2.6.17-10-generic  2.6.17-11-generic
[12:15] <Joshooa> That's what I got
[12:15] <intelikey> on dapper 2.6.15-28
[12:15] <Joshooa> I thought 11 was beta though
[12:15] <Joshooa> right?
[12:15] <intelikey> beta  no.
[12:16] <Joshooa> I thought odd numbered ones were beta and u nstable
[12:16] <intelikey> no second digit only.
[12:16] <waylandbill> no. the 11 is the package release number.
[12:16] <intelikey> kernel versioning.   second digit odd unstable testing   even stable production.
[12:16] <oem> um hello?
[12:17] <cpk1> oem: alien, but you should try to find a deb first
[12:17] <intelikey> all other number irrelivent to that fact.
[12:17] <oem> deb?
[12:17] <waylandbill> debian package
[12:17] <intelikey> oem what's the package name ?
[12:18] <oem> hmm ok can i ask what progrma has the rpm extension?
[12:18] <waylandbill> and preferably an ubuntu deb package with priority to any other deb
[12:18] <waylandbill> !rpm
[12:18] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:18] <flaccid> programs don't have an rpm extension, hopefuly
[12:18] <Joshooa> So, should I be running 2.6.17-11 instead? And how can I tell if i have the most up to date one?
[12:19] <Joshooa> I booted up under 11 once, but then all my settings were gone and I thought it was beta so I went back to 10
[12:19] <cpk1> Joshooa: uname -a will tell you kernel info
[12:19] <Joshooa> uname -a
[12:19] <Joshooa> dammit
[12:19] <Joshooa> freaking window on top keeps confusing me
[12:19] <Cugel> uname -r
[12:19] <Cugel> Both work.
[12:20] <Joshooa> -a seems to have more info
[12:20] <Joshooa> not really useful to my newbie eyes persay, but more
[12:20] <flaccid> a is for all
[12:20] <waylandbill> Joshooa: installing "linux-generic" will make you have the newest one when ubuntu releases the newest one, /if/ that's what you want to do.
[12:20] <Joshooa> heh
[12:21] <intelikey> Joshooa to always have the newest release for your installation enable security and updates repos and run sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     that will by default always install the newest kernel for your system.
[12:21] <Joshooa> why wouldn't I want the latest one though?
[12:21] <flaccid> if you don't know, you probably don't need
[12:21] <waylandbill> that is the default behavior I beleive
[12:21] <intelikey> !commonsense
[12:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[12:21] <Joshooa> thanks intelikey
[12:21] <intelikey> see ubotu   ^
[12:22] <Joshooa> I saw
[12:22] <Joshooa> I only want the latest stable versions though
[12:22] <Cugel> I'd wait for the Feisty final release -- and then wait for a week or two to see if there are real complaints.
[12:22] <intelikey> lsb-release -a
[12:22] <flaccid> lsb_
[12:22] <intelikey> Joshooa then the update & security repos are for you.
[12:23] <intelikey> flaccid is it underscore ?
[12:23] <Joshooa> yes _
[12:23] <Joshooa> no -
[12:23] <intelikey> i haven't seen that script in so long...
[12:23] <flaccid> i think
[12:23] <Joshooa> Well I'll learn more of what I want later
[12:24] <Joshooa> Right now, I'm willing to try anything, cause I'm going to format and reinstall anyway, so, worst case scenario, I have to reformat and reinstall
[12:24] <flaccid> you can upgrade the kernel if you want basically
[12:24] <intelikey> ah it is underscore
[12:24] <Joshooa> I figure at least I'll try and learn some commands and get used to Linux a little more first, and after I feel stable I wont be so willing to do anything
[12:24] <flaccid> well dist-upgrade is latest stable so thats cool
[12:24] <flaccid> if you are on a stable release
[12:25] <flaccid> iirc?
[12:25] <intelikey> heh there's why i havent see the script in so long....  http://pastebin.ca/386114
[12:25] <waylandbill> Joshooa: you may try something like linuxbasics.org. That gives pretty good fundamentals to many commands.
[12:25] <flaccid> nice intelikey
[12:26] <intelikey> i think the /etc/lsb_release having only one word in it caused that
[12:26] <Joshooa> thank waylandbill
[12:26] <intelikey> cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:26] <intelikey> none
[12:27] <intelikey> that's where i got the dash i guess...
[12:27] <berkes> Can anyone tell me what the best practice would be to allow more users then just the "admins" to connect to wireless networks?
[12:27] <Joshooa> Hmm, well I can delete off my roommates window's drive
[12:27] <berkes> I use Wireless Assistent (wlassistent), and fiddled a bit with /etc/sudoers but w/o success
[12:28] <intelikey> lol Joshooa of course you can.  it's M$ you can delete the whole system....
[12:30] <Joshooa> intelikey: I don't want to do that, my stuff is on there now
[12:30] <intelikey> berkes what's the command to connect ?   you can add it to sudoers.  i'll show you.
[12:30] <Joshooa> what is M$ th ough?
[12:31] <berkes> wlassistant is a gui tool around ifup/iwscan/iwconfig
[12:31] <intelikey> add a line like this; ALL ALL=(ALL) ALL:/usr/bin/wlassistant
[12:31] <Tm_T> Joshooa: Some M-cash or something, No idea.
[12:32] <waylandbill> %wireless ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/wlassistant     should do it.
[12:32] <berkes> intelikey: will try. Sec.
[12:32] <intelikey> should let anyone run wlassistant  but giving them right to do nothing else.
[12:32] <waylandbill> or like intellikey's suggestion too
[12:32] <intelikey> berkes and check the path.   which wlassistant
[12:32] <berkes> yea.
[12:33] <intelikey> waylandbill making a wireless group would be more involved... but probably safer.
[12:33] <berkes> intelikey: would it not be better to make a group'?
[12:33] <Joshooa> I'm so glad I just checked what files I wanted there, cut it down from copying 30GB to 3
[12:34] <waylandbill> berkes: yes, but it is another few steps.
[12:34] <berkes> oh heh, I am repeating what you said :)
[12:34] <intelikey> berkes is you want to restrict the access yes.  if you want to give free access to all to that app then no.
[12:34] <dystopianray> what script/program is handling the mute button on a laptop? It's muting 'Master' but I want it to mute 'PCM'
[12:35] <intelikey> it all depends on what you want to cause.
[12:35] <Joshooa> ok bye all thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll want more tomorrow!
[12:35] <Joshooa> er, today!
[12:35] <intelikey> dystopianray idk it might be a khotkey
[12:36] <dystopianray> intelikey: ah no it's /etc/acpi/mutebtn.sh
[12:36] <dystopianray> where is acpi_fakekey's behaviour defined?
[12:36] <intelikey> acpi hmmm nice.
[12:37] <berkes> dystopianray: afaiks its a setting in kmix
[12:37] <intelikey> . /usr/share/acpi-support/key-constants
[12:37] <intelikey> acpi_fakekey $KEY_MUTE
[12:37] <intelikey> it's sourcing /usr/share/acpi-support/key-constants
[12:38] <intelikey> so look there.
[12:38] <dystopianray> berkes_: no it's not
[12:38] <dystopianray> intelikey: all that does is give $KEY_MUTE the value of 113, I want to know what is reacting to acpi_fakekey $KEY_MUTE
[12:38] <berkes> right, I thought you were referring to the mute on the little speaker in the systray. Sorry :)
[12:39] <intelikey> KEY_MUTE=113
[12:40] <leon_> holasss
[12:40] <dystopianray> intelikey: yes I know, but what is happening after acpi_fakekey is run?
[12:40] <intelikey> acpi_fakekey is the app.      man it.    /usr/bin/acpi_fakekey
[12:41] <intelikey> assuming there is a man page.
[12:42] <dystopianray> intelikey: there is no man page, it seems to send a fake acpi event that is caught by something else which then mutes the soundcard
[12:43] <waylandbill> dystopianray: you could probably tell from acpi_fakekey's source what it does.
[12:43] <intelikey> i would probably just remap that key and use the kde hotkey editor to set the mute button to mute the pcm  if i was trying to get to that point.  but i'm more of a work around guy than a "fixer" i guess.
[12:45] <intelikey> "if it's not broke, don't fix it"     " if it's broke, move it over and start fixing something else; cause that's probably how it got broke"
[12:46] <waylandbill> :)
[12:46] <dystopianray> hrrm, well i'll just replace the acpi_fakekey call with one to amixer
[12:47] <intelikey> oooops.  now i have a thousand broken packages half installed....    tried installing  gnome   that seems to have been a bad idea.
[12:50] <dystopianray> ah, it's not acpi_fakekey that handles it, something else is
[12:51] <ben__> has anyone here got a hp dvXXXX notebook?
[12:51] <ben__> I am wondering if the latest stable alsa drivers will activate the headphone jacks
[12:56] <intelikey> anyone want to see my error ?
[12:56] <intelikey> it's a dandy.
[12:56] <_eMaX_> yo all
[12:57] <_eMaX_> ne1 has problems w/ flash player 9?
[12:57] <Lynoure> intelikey: hmm, what did you do?
[12:57] <intelikey> Lynoure you want a pastbin url or a dcc file of the error ?
[12:57] <intelikey> :)
[12:57] <intelikey> http://pastebin.us/?dl=16383
[12:58] <Lynoure> intelikey: I don't do dcc.
[12:58] <intelikey> Lynoure anyway i told apt to install   gnome
[12:58] <intelikey> got that out of it :)
[12:59] <intelikey> yeee haa
[12:59] <Lynoure> intelikey: interesting, reported it? it is a bug, imo.
[01:00] <intelikey> nah i probably don't have one of the deps that the first failing script expected.   and that's not a big deal i may install ubuntu-base and see if it fixes it.
[01:01] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:02] <intelikey> actually ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal
[01:02] <intelikey> however i do agree that the packages should depend on what ever they depend on.  not just assume that it's there.
[01:03] <_eMaX_> is there a way to downgrade from flash9 to flash7
[01:03] <intelikey> like bash for instance   assuming that bash is on every system is dumb with a big D
[01:04] <intelikey> and yes all the things that depend on bash rather than sh just assume that you have bash installed they don't add it as a dep.
[01:07] <intelikey> _eMaX_ there is always a way.   uninstalling flash and then manually installing the .deb of the other version     i think there is a .deb...
[01:09] <intelikey> well i have apt going my way again.... if it don't puke more errors than one can shake a stick at....
[01:22] <berkes> adding wlassistant to /etc sudoers did not help me much. I am now getting errors from "Xlib" about not being able to connect to the xserver
[01:22] <berkes> Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server
[01:23] <berkes> and running wlassinstant wrapped in kdesu does not help either, kdesu does not seem to use sodoers.
[01:25] <berkes> any hints on how to allow other users to connect to Teh Intarweb? I can hardly beleive I am the first one to run into this.
[01:26] <waylandbill> berkes: are you running on display 1.0 or 0.0?
[01:26] <berkes> 1.0
[01:26] <berkes> its the second x session.
[01:26] <waylandbill> right. ok.
[01:27] <berkes> what is the best way to find that out, though? I spent quite some time hunting for it just now.
[01:27] <waylandbill> 'set | grep DISPLAY'  possibly
[01:28] <kubunturf> hello !
[01:28] <odb|fidel_> lo
[01:29] <odb|fidel_> is the latest kubuntu DVD iso similar to ubuntu release ? so i can boot as live cd/dvd and then install it if i want it ?
[01:29] <odb|fidel_> or is it a install medium only ?
[01:29] <berkes> waylandbill: would a badly coded KDE app run into trouble when it does not run on 0.0 ?
[01:29] <odb|fidel_> without live-cd/dvd function
[01:29] <waylandbill> odb|fidel_: yes. it's live.
[01:29] <odb|fidel_> thank you very much waylandbill
[01:29] <eeos> I would like to see the list of the processes at bootstrap, with their status. is that possible in ubuntu? I only see the logo ad the loading bar.
[01:30] <odb|fidel_> have a nice day. good bye
[01:30] <waylandbill> berkes: I wouldn't think so. most are going to use display variable.
[01:30] <berkes> kay.
[01:32] <waylandbill> eeos: try taking off 'quiet' and 'splash' from boot line.
[01:34] <eeos> waylandbill thanks a lot, I will try!
[01:35] <waylandbill> eeos: there's no satisfaction gaurantee. That's a best guess. :-)
[01:36] <eeos> also, I would like the wireless connection to be disabled at startup, but not matter what I do, it is always enabled.
[01:36] <eeos> :(
[01:37] <waylandbill> I know blacklisting it would do that, but then I don't think you could modprobe it later.
[01:39] <Frost^-> Hello.
[01:39] <intelikey> ok i have a real error.   this does look like a bug.
[01:39] <Frost^-> Can anyone tell me how to remove a metapackage?
[01:39] <waylandbill> eeos: when you configure the wireless, tell it to not be activated at boot. Unless you mean you want the RF to not be on at boot.
[01:39] <intelikey> Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386
[01:39] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing udev (--configure):
[01:40] <guiden> oh no
[01:40] <_eMaX_> intelikey: thanks.
[01:40] <intelikey> the reason it can't find 2.6.15-27-386 is because i'm running 2.6.15-28-386
[01:40] <guiden> something is wrong with my xorg, I can only choose from 640x400 and 640x480 again, how do I reconfigure X?
[01:40] <_eMaX_> guiden: now first thing where is your old /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:40] <intelikey> _eMaX_ what did i do wrong this time ?
[01:41] <eeos> waylandbill this is what I did. what is the RF?
[01:41] <_eMaX_> intelikey: I said thanks because you referred me to uninstalling manually and installing then my own version of flash which is probably what I am going to do.
[01:41] <guiden> I haven't done anything with the xorg.conf file, This just happend after I started the computer.
[01:41] <intelikey> so the udev update package is buggy.
[01:41] <intelikey> oh that.   welcome _eMaX_
[01:42] <_eMaX_> .oO(I am not cynical _every_ time) :-)
[01:42] <waylandbill> eeos: the transceiver. I'm not sure if you just want the wireless not configured or if you are looking to conserve power.
[01:42] <intelikey> :)
[01:42] <intelikey> maybe i am....
[01:42] <_eMaX_> guiden: yes but where is the backup of that file :)
[01:42] <intelikey> cynical or clinical or somfin
[01:43] <eeos> waylandbill I want the transceiver switched off.
[01:43] <guiden> oh god, there is like 10 different xorg-config files
[01:43] <_eMaX_> clinical sounds bad. I sometimes get clinical when Beryl on Feisty keeps crashing my machine...
[01:43] <eeos> waylandbill no matter what I do it goes on (enabled), I have to disable it manually.
[01:44] <_eMaX_> guiden: then look for the last working one and try them. Therein you can configure your screen resolutions, but first I'd try to figure out whether you just accidentally now have replaced your working one.
[01:44] <_eMaX_> guiden: no need to reboot the computer. Just copy over any of the files to xorg.conf then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X
[01:45] <intelikey> yeah.  well having dpkg errors for two days will make you clinical too
[01:45] <guiden> _eMax_:ok, well, something is wrong with my keyboard, can you do a pipe sign
[01:45] <_eMaX_> yes of course. Here is one for you to copy paste |
[01:45] <guiden> thanks
[01:46] <intelikey> oh i know what it's doing now. it's building a new initramfs for a kernel i don't have.... that's the bug in "udev"  ha
[01:47] <intelikey> does gnome have to have  hald  to run ?
[01:47] <nicola> #italia
[01:47] <intelikey> i know wrong channel.   ok.
[01:47] <guiden> _eMaX_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9225/ Which one should I get is the original one?
[01:48] <guiden> which is
[01:48] <waylandbill> eeos: make an init-script that calls rmmod for your wireless card's module.
[01:48] <waylandbill> eeos: that should turn off the transceiver. You'll need to modprobe later to re-enable.
[01:49] <eeos> waylandbill thanks. and to switch it off (not configured)? because even when I set do not start at boot, it still configures it
[01:51] <waylandbill> eeos: it won't be configured after you rmmod it's module.
[01:51] <waylandbill> eeos: i.e. it will no longer appear in ifconfig
[01:52] <eeos> waylandbill thanks. and if i want it to appear in ifconfig, and to be disabled?
[01:54] <waylandbill> eeos: you modprobe it, but make sure in /etc/interfaces it doesn't have the word "auto"
[01:55] <eeos> do not have the file /etc/interfaces
[01:56] <waylandbill> eeos: /etc/network/interfaces
[01:57] <eeos> there is a line for iface ra0 inet dhcp
[01:57] <eeos>         wireless-mode managed
[01:57] <eeos>         wireless-essid any
[01:57] <eeos> but how the syntax of this file? I do not have any manual page for it.
[01:58] <waylandbill> is there "auto ra0" ?
[01:58] <eeos> no
[01:58] <waylandbill> hmm. I thought auto is needed to bring it up automatically.
[01:59] <waylandbill> otherwise, you'd have to run if-up on it to bring it up.
[01:59] <berkes_> http://www.degredo.net/ lol
[02:01] <eeos> it is not there. it is ery, very frustrating. :(
[02:02] <waylandbill> eeos: well, I'd try rmmod and modprobe. Maybe you'll be lucky and modprobing will not configure it.
[02:02] <eeos> berkes_ very funny :D
[02:02] <eeos> waylandbill thanks, I will try!
[02:03] <Russel> hiho
[02:03] <Russel> what is the difference between the normal install and the alternate?
[02:03] <Russel> cd version
[02:04] <emonkey> normal is a Live CD with graphical install, alternate is a textbased install version with additional install possiblieties
[02:04] <Russel> ok then: textbase for president! :)
[02:04] <Brazil4Linux> How I can remove the "Switch User" option from Kicker
[02:06] <eeos> how do you enable backports repository? I want to see if the next kernel is better at handling this problem.
[02:07] <equipo12> hello
[02:08] <equipo12> hay algien hay
[02:11] <eilker> !alsa
[02:11] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:13] <eeos> !backport
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <eeos> !backports
[02:13] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[02:14] <eilker> suddenly i have no sound in pc....
[02:16] <eeos> eilker I did not take it! :P
[02:16] <eeos> eilker what is your card?
[02:17] <eilker> eeos: i solved it now, thanx :)
[02:17] <eilker> it was some kmixer problem
[02:18] <eeos> eilker ok
[02:18] <eilker> eeos: i have another problem, after upgrading to edgy, i cant get login screen
[02:18] <smile> hello world
[02:18] <smile> I need a small help
[02:19] <eilker> hello space :P
[02:19] <eilker> !help
[02:19] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:19] <smile> I want remove a broken pack !!
[02:19] <eilker> i think u can use aptitude
[02:19] <eilker> which package ?
[02:19] <eeos> eilker sorry? could you explain?
[02:20] <eilker> eeos: ubuntu 6.10 , 2.6.17-11-386 my kernel, xserver 7.1.1, and i have intel i810 1:1.6.5 ,this may conflict ? i cant get login screen,(EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (0),(EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module requirement mismatch, 0),(EE) No drivers available.Fatal server error:no screens found //but i even use aixgl, i have 3d beryl at the moment.
[02:20] <eilker> *kubuntu
[02:23] <Lil99> Is there a bootloader that is faster than grub or lilo ?
[02:24] <Lil99>  Is there a bootloader that is faster than grub or lilo ?
[02:24] <apokryphos> the bootloader isn't slow; the BIOS setups are
[02:25] <eeos> eilker try to clen things out, for example uninstall beryl and company and restart. but it really looks like an incompatibility between the kernel and the module.
[02:25] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea where i can get additional GTK styles for KDE?
[02:25] <Lil99> thanks
[02:27] <eilker> eeos: yes u r right, there is incompability, but how to solve it at all ? i mean that do we have more things to do, except of uninstalling beeryl ?
[02:27] <eeos> eilker I would go for that first of all.
[02:28] <eeos> I have to go, be back in afternoon.
[02:28] <eilker> eeos: even evening here, take care :D
[02:29] <eeos> enjoy your meal, whoever is going to have lunch break :)
[02:29] <eeos> eilker :)
[02:31] <ComputerHermit> GM people
[02:40] <blue|palm> help: I left my kubuntu pc on last night while it was downloading a torrent, and at about 3:pm today i tried to resume using it but kde froze. I then reset my x server with CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and now i cant login using kdm anymore. kdm starts and I can enter my username and password, but when i hit enter the screen goes black and kdm just restarts
[02:46] <bustanil> hi all
[02:48] <jryhiggins> !nvidia
[02:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:49] <HymnToLife> jryhiggins, if searching factoids for yourself, please ask the bot in private so you don't flood the channet :)
[02:49] <HymnToLife> channel*
[02:54] <jryhiggins> ok sorrry
[02:54] <jryhiggins> still green here
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> !games
[02:57] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[02:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[03:01] <helena> How do i insert special characters in kmail's emails?
[03:01] <pansenmann> hi folks
[03:02] <Lamington> helena: maybe someone in #kontact can answer
[03:03] <helena> sweet thnx!
[03:03] <Lamington> np
[03:04] <pansenmann> i have big trouble getting wifi with wpa2 working, i tried everything that i found in several howtos (even non-gentoo ones) but when i run wpa_supplicant -i eth1 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf i always get the error : WPA: Unsupported AES-WRAP len 76
[03:04] <pansenmann> does anybody know what this message means?
[03:16] <guiden> I got two panels but I can only configure one..
[03:19] <ckd> greetings
[03:20] <ckd> everybody know, where I can get x86/glibc-2.5 ?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> !glibc
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <radius> !dst
[03:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:26] <ckd> nobody know this ?
[03:26] <ckd> I want install crossover office
[03:29] <ckd> !Help
[03:29] <ckd> !help
[03:29] <ckd> !facts
[03:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about facts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <Vamp898> does anyone of you know a programm to decode mp4 or xVid to MPEG1 or 2 ???
[03:30] <Vamp898> !de
[03:30] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:31] <Vamp898> something like Avidemux
[03:36] <BenjaminB_> does anyone know of a tool to create soundboards? soundboards as in "a gui to play different sounds with a one-button-click"
[03:37] <BenjaminB_> something like what a icehockey announcer has in front of him to play different jingles
[03:38] <Ash-Fox> !ntfs
[03:38] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:38] <Ash-Fox> !ntfs-3g
[03:38] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:38] <n8k99> BenjaminB_:  try terminatorX
[03:38] <BenjaminB_> ah thx
[03:39] <n8k99> you might be able to get that sort of behavior
[03:47] <guiden> oh god I love kubunu
[03:49] <waylandbill> guiden: :)
[03:50] <guiden> it's kubuntu of course! :p
[03:51] <BenjaminB_> http://www.brainblog.de/mediaview/139/Vista_vs_Ubuntu <-- a little off topic, but for everybody who didn't knew it
[03:51] <unholyskorn> why does my god damn beryl work but theres no acceleration at all!
[03:52] <BluesKaj> ATI?
[03:52] <unholyskorn> yes
[03:53] <BluesKaj> unholyskorn, that' the tradeoff with ati on kubuntu
[03:53] <unholyskorn> ?
[03:54] <unholyskorn> so im gonna have 1-5 fps while running beryl cause i use ati and xgl?
[03:54] <BluesKaj> search it on google
[03:54] <BluesKaj> !ATI
[03:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <unholyskorn> search what?
[03:55] <unholyskorn> i have the proprietary ati driver installed by envy
[03:55] <unholyskorn> that wrong?
[03:59] <BluesKaj> unholyskorn, your attitude sucks but here try this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[04:00] <unholyskorn> my attitude sucks?
[04:03] <pr0phet> hello
[04:03] <unholyskorn> hi
[04:03] <pr0phet> what's up?
[04:03] <sgaspar_> evolution error help!
[04:04] <BluesKaj> unholyskorn, we aren't responsible if you can't describe your problem properly, ATI is a problem in Kubuntu , it's well known ...don'rt act as if it's our fault
[04:05] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu have some sort of autodetect hardware?
[04:05] <unholyskorn> what are you talking about?
[04:05] <Ahmuck> or a program that will do autodetect?
[04:06] <Ahmuck> plug the device in, and it "detects" it
[04:06] <Ahmuck> like in windows
[04:07] <bumzo> mount!
[04:07] <geert_> I have a problem. please help. My adept will not open, it displays a messige the an other application is using this program. but i do not now how to close that.
[04:07] <bumzo> !mount
[04:07] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:07] <pr0phet> geert, do you have anything else open? like synaptic or any other package managers?
[04:07] <bumzo> !diskmounter
[04:07] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:08] <geert_> Now i do not and i thouht off that and coled everything
[04:08] <geert_> closed i mean
[04:09] <bumzo> Hi Kubuntu pple
[04:09] <pr0phet> hello
[04:09] <bumzo> i need help trying to have full read and acess right to an external usb hard drive (ntfs)
[04:09] <BluesKaj> !hardware
[04:09] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[04:09] <pr0phet> umm. well if everythings closed nothing should b eusing it lol, could try restarting i suppose
[04:10] <BluesKaj> !pnp
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pnp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <geert_> I did that and mister prophet and no use thanks
[04:11] <pr0phet> hm, not sure what else to tell you then, i'm still learning a lot of kubuntu myself, sorry i can't help more
[04:11] <BluesKaj> bumzo , does the drive show up in 'storage media' ?
[04:11] <pr0phet> bumzo..you could try http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-your-widows-partitions-and-make-it-readwritable-in-ubuntu.html
[04:11] <pr0phet> that got my windows partition mounted, i suppose it may help with usb as well
[04:11] <geert_> I think that somehow i must have changed the setting?
[04:13] <geert_> Wal i must try and vind asollution elsware, but thanks ol the same.
[04:13] <bumzo> yes blueskaj
[04:13] <bumzo> it is showing in my storage media
[04:13] <bumzo> but i dont have full read and write access
[04:14] <pr0phet> you mean you can read the files and everything just can't act as admin?
[04:15] <BluesKaj> bumzo , right click on the drive and click the share button
[04:19] <bumzo> i have blueskaj ... but i get the error message ''Could not change permissions for /media/sda1.''
[04:20] <BluesKaj> bumzo, I'm assuming you did what pr0phet suggested and installed ntfs-3g ?
[04:20] <bumzo> yes it is installed successfully
[04:21] <BluesKaj> is it configured in fstab ?
[04:21] <bumzo> how do you do that?
[04:22] <mindspin> !automatix
[04:22] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:22] <BluesKaj> it's on the same page as the install instructions
[04:22] <BluesKaj> bumzo, http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-your-widows-partitions-and-make-it-readwritable-in-ubuntu.html
[04:23] <NSCAD_Nathan> anyone know if xjadeo is available as a package?
[04:23] <kimmern> Hey! I was messing around with beryl last night, and on rendering options, I choose "force xgl" when i had the choice between that and "force aiglx" and "force nvidia"..which obviesly  was a stupid thing..beryl won't work, and i cant get into the beryl settings to change back..ive tried uninstall an reinstall, but still it wont work..can anyone help?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> BBL, errands to do
[04:24] <guiden> how do I restore the konqueror-web profile? I changed it but I can't find a default button
[04:25] <bumzo> advice guiden ... switch to firefox
[04:26] <chavo> kimmern, you can rm ~/.beryl-managerrc
[04:26] <kimmern> chavo, and what does that do?
[04:27] <chavo> It will revert beryl-manager settings to default
[04:27] <guiden> I have firefox
[04:29] <guiden> bumzu, I fixed it, I just had to remove the default profile that I changed, and then a new one came, with the default settings.
[04:29] <bcochofel> !pt
[04:29] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:30] <guiden> bumzo, but why do you want me to use firefox? Is it better do develop webpages with firefox than konqueror, I'm doing it now.
[04:30] <bumzo> yup guiden
[04:30] <karl> hi
[04:30] <pr0phet> hello
[04:31] <karl> now, i'm chatting the first time in this room... can you say me please, what this room is about?
[04:31] <Sanne> hi
[04:32] <Sanne> karl: it's a help channel for the Kubuntu Linux distribution
[04:32] <karl> ah... ok, thanks
[04:32] <Sanne> karl: also see /topic
[04:32] <bcochofel> I'm having trouble w keyboard (portuguese here). works from the console without X11 but from X11 doesn't?
[04:33] <karl> am i allowed to distribute ubuntu on my ftp-server?
[04:34] <waylandbill> karl: I think you need to offer the source code as well.
[04:35] <karl> ok
[04:35] <bumzo> blueskaj
[04:35] <bumzo> bumzo@Bumzo:~$ /etc/fstab
[04:35] <bumzo> bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied
[04:35] <bumzo> ???
[04:36] <pr0phet> try typing sudo -s and logging in as root bumzo
[04:38] <Sanne> karl: you can read a bit about the licenses that apply to the various parts of ubuntu (which should also apply to kubuntu). It might help you get an idea: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing?highlight=%28distribute%29
[04:38] <bumzo> bumzo@Bumzo:~$ sudo -s
[04:38] <bumzo> root@Bumzo:~# /etc/fstab
[04:38] <bumzo> bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied
[04:38] <bumzo> root@Bumzo:~#
[04:38] <karl> thx
[04:39] <The_Untiled> anyone can learn me how to install lilo?
[04:39] <yamal> bumzo: /etc/fstab is a text file, not an executable. you cannot run it, just open it in an editor
[04:40] <bumzo> thatnks yamal ... how do i do that?
[04:40] <pr0phet> try kwrite /etc/fstab
[04:40] <Dr_willis> !lilo
[04:40] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[04:40] <Dr_willis> why do you want  lilo?
[04:40] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install lilo
[04:41] <pr0phet> i have to say dr, lilo does look cooler lol, which is really the main reason anyone would want to use it
[04:42] <The_Untiled> yes
[04:42] <The_Untiled> it's for this reason :D
[04:42] <The_Untiled> and because I want to try it..
[04:42] <yamal> bumzo: when in kde, hit ALT+F2, and run 'kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab'
[04:43] <bumzo> cnow am there
[04:44] <Sanne> The_Untiled: grub can have a splash image (in case you didn't know)
[04:44] <The_Untiled> o..yes??and how?
[04:44] <jhutchins> lilo -R <temporary default boot> && shutdown -r now <= That's why lilo rules.
[04:45] <Sanne> The_Untiled: I never tried it myself, but here's some info on that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:45] <ckd_> HELP PLEASE
[04:45] <ckd_> wanna install crossover office
[04:45] <jhutchins> ckd_: It's a commercial program, with commercial support.
[04:46] <ckd_> but a damn ubuntu error
[04:46] <ckd_> http://rafb.net/p/cwJ2nH76.html
[04:46] <eilker> !KDenlive
[04:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdenlive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:46] <eilker> !kdenlive
[04:46] <jhutchins> ckd:  That's not a ubuntu error
[04:46] <jhutchins> ckd: Contact codeweavers for support.
[04:47] <Sanne> ckd: are you on 64 bit?
[04:47] <ckd> yes
[04:47] <ckd> jhutchins: i used it on kanotix, suse and many more, it runs all the time....
[04:47] <ckd> now what a kind of error look this...?
[04:48] <Ghost75> hello, anyone have any suggestions on fixing a broken adept? when i try to open it i get this: Could not open cache. The APT Database could not be opened!
[04:48] <Sanne> ckd: the message suggests installing 32 bit compatibility libs. There are some for us 64 bit users, let me find those I have installed.
[04:48] <bonbonthejon> !fixapt | Ghost75
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <bonbonthejon> !fix apt
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix apt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <Sanne> ckd: generally, you need to understand that 32 bit programs run on 64 bit systems, but if they need specific libs, those have to be 32 bit too.
[04:49] <jhutchins> Ghost75: Sounds messed up.  How did you arrive in this situation?
[04:49] <Ghost75> lol
[04:49] <jhutchins> !adept crash fix
[04:49] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:49] <ckd> where can get this ?
[04:49] <jhutchins> But that's probably not it.
[04:49] <bonbonthejon> jhutchins: thanks, thats what i was looking for
[04:49] <Ghost75> well, i reinstalled kubuntu because trying to install windows messed up grub, so kubuntu installed flawlessly as always, i did all the updates and was starting to get things back to how i like it
[04:50] <Sanne> ckd: please wait a moment, I'll find the most likely packages for you
[04:50] <Ghost75> then i left the computer for awhile, came back and there was 1 update, so i clicked the adept notifier, entered my password and got that error
[04:50] <Ghost75> tried restarting, tried apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal, but nothing would work
[04:50] <ckd> Sanne: thx, i wann a install many 32bit tools like skype .etc
[04:51] <Sanne> ckd: I dunno it that works, I don't have it myself, but mostly you can get it to work. Let me get oyu some packages, sec
[04:52] <Ghost75> tried that command, no luck
[04:52] <Ghost75> the command itself didn't give an error tho, it killed this process:   /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       5410 F.... adept_updater
[04:52] <ckd> Sanne: THX a lot
[04:54] <Sanne> ckd: let's start with those packages: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9241/
[04:56] <akrus> could someone recommend simple video editor?
[04:56] <akrus> to crop a part of video
[04:57] <akrus> and maybe with some simple effects
[04:57] <ckd> Sanne: thx
[04:57] <Jucato> !kino
[04:57] <ckd> now i will take the second try
[04:57] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB
[04:57] <Sanne> ckd: I like to give you some links for help
[04:57] <akrus> oh thanks :)
[04:58] <jhutchins> Ghost75: Try ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:58] <Sanne> ckd: please bookmark those: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=64&titlesearch=Titles
[04:59] <Sanne> ckd: tha last link has also some info on 64bit on the wiki, but some links don't apply. Use your best judgement ;)
[04:59] <Ghost75> ok, no errors with that command, adept not responding now so i can't tell if it worked
[05:04] <jhutchins> Ghost75: Ok, first, don't try to use adept until you get command-line apt working.
[05:04] <Ghost75> ok
[05:04] <jhutchins> Ghost75: Second, did the ls command find the file?
[05:05] <Ghost75> this was the result of that command: -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2007-03-09 12:31 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:05] <akrus> Jucato: wow
[05:05] <akrus> Jucato: it's importing something
[05:05] <akrus> Jucato: already 1gb+
[05:05] <jhutchins> Ghost75: Ok, delete that file.
[05:05] <akrus> 1,2gb :o
[05:06] <eilker> !svn
[05:06] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[05:07] <akrus> 1.5g x_X
[05:07] <Ghost75> delete what file?
[05:09] <Ghost75> that stuff i pasted was a file? am used to recognizing more conventional filenames, lol
[05:10] <Ghost75> so is there a special command to delete a file in unix command line or just DEL followed by what i pasted earlier?
[05:10] <jhutchins> Ghost75: rm  /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:10] <D3vil_> Mahlzeit
[05:11] <waylandbill> Ghost75: everything in linux is a file.
[05:11] <Ghost75> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `/var/lib/dpkg/lock'? y
[05:11] <Ghost75> rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': Permission denied
[05:11] <waylandbill> put a sudo before
[05:12] <waylandbill> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:12] <Ghost75> ok, no error that time
[05:12] <Ghost75> try apt-update in terminal now?
[05:13] <waylandbill> Ghost75: if it was failing because it thought another session was running, then yes, you should be good to go
[05:14] <Ghost75> i tried apt-get update in terminal and got this error: E: Type 'deb' is not known on line 35 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <waylandbill> pastebin the contents of your sources.list
[05:15] <Ghost75> um...and to do that i type?
[05:15] <waylandbill> kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <waylandbill> !pastebin
[05:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:15] <Jucato> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <Jucato> or whatever :P
[05:16] <blue|palm> does anyone have any experience with fglrx and video accelleration?
[05:16] <Timsen> good night Jucato
[05:16] <Jucato> :)
[05:16] <waylandbill> sleep well :-P
[05:16] <blue|palm> whenever i try to watch movies using the opengl driver they are extremely choppy :(
[05:16] <Ghost75> hmm, lots of errors in terminal when i typed that, but it did open a text document
[05:16] <waylandbill> copy the contents to a pastebin website.
[05:16] <blue|palm> or can anybody tell me how to use the aticonfig --sync-video command?
[05:16] <Timsen> that aren't errors Ghost75
[05:17] <Ghost75> ok, pasted it under my nick Ghost75
[05:18] <Ghost75> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9248/
[05:18] <Ghost75> good feature to have learned today, this pastebin thing
[05:20] <eilker> !klik
[05:20] <ubotu> klik is a simple way to run additional software without actually installing it. For instructions and more information see http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/
[05:21] <akrus> Jucato: kino not working :(
[05:21] <akrus> Jucato: saying unable to load the file~
[05:23] <eilker> akrus: i use avidemux, and now trying to install kdenlive
[05:24] <blue|palm> is there any way to fix the massive blockiness around red areas when i play movies (.avi) with mplayer/xine etc.
[05:26] <akrus> ok
[05:26] <akrus> trying kdenlive :)
[05:26] <akrus> at least imported ok
[05:26] <waylandbill> Ghost75: remove the " quotes around the text on the automatix line
[05:26] <eilker> akrus: do u have kdenlive installed ?
[05:26] <akrus> yes
[05:26] <blue|palm> is there any way to fix the massive blockiness around red areas when i play movies (.avi) with mplayer/xine etc.
[05:27] <Ghost75> k, did that but i can't save the document
[05:27] <eilker> akrus: did u install from source or .deb file ?
[05:27] <Ghost75> i don't have write access maybe?
[05:27] <akrus> eilker: .deb/synaptic :)
[05:27] <waylandbill> ok. you need to re-open it with "kdesu /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:28] <eilker> akrus: i dont have it insynaptic....
[05:28] <eilker> akrus: 6.10 here
[05:28] <akrus> eilker: i may give you my sources.list :)
[05:28] <Ghost75> hmm, for permission denied
[05:28] <Sanne> waylandbill, Ghost75: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:28] <akrus> 7.04 here
[05:28] <akrus> :P
[05:28] <akrus> lemme check
[05:28] <eilker> oki thanx
[05:28] <waylandbill> Sanne: oops. thx. :-)
[05:28] <Sanne> :)
[05:28] <akrus> it's trevino's repository
[05:29] <akrus> for edgy
[05:29] <Ghost75> k, saved
[05:29] <akrus> eilker: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/ edgy 3v1n0
[05:29] <akrus> add to sources.list :)
[05:29] <eilker> oki let me try :)
[05:30] <akrus> a bit laggy :(
[05:30] <Ghost75> now when i try apt-get update i get => Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[05:31] <waylandbill> Ghost75: sudo apt-get update
[05:31] <Ghost75> ooooh, looks like it's working
[05:32] <waylandbill> I knew it would. ;-)
[05:32] <Ghost75> so it was just commas put there from me tryin to get automatix installed, yeesh
[05:32] <Ghost75> thanks so much for your help guys
[05:32] <mrbrdo> hello
[05:33] <mrbrdo> which sound system does Kubuntu use?
[05:33] <mrbrdo> OSS or ALSA?
[05:33] <Sanne> Ghost75: !automatix | Ghost75
[05:33] <Sanne> !automatix | Ghost75
[05:33] <ubotu> Ghost75: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:33] <Ghost75> i'm gonna have to learn to get java installed on it's own instead of relying on automatix and similar scripts, it's true they can cause problems
[05:33] <mrbrdo> !sound
[05:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:33] <Sanne> Ghost75: please consider that also :)
[05:33] <Ghost75> it's only java that i bother to install it for usually
[05:34] <waylandbill> it's not hard to install the software without automatix
[05:34] <Sanne> Ghost75: oh, java is in the repositories now
[05:34] <Ghost75> pretty much everything else i can find in add/remove programs
[05:34] <eilker> w: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2D6CFB44DD800CD9
[05:34] <eilker> how can i solve that ?
[05:34] <mrbrdo> Sound doesn't work in my chroot32
[05:34] <mrbrdo> but alsa-base is installed i don't know what's wrong
[05:34] <Sanne> Ghost75: but ok, I just wanted to make sure you know about that :)
[05:34] <illissius> is there list of mirrors for feisty5 anywhere?
[05:34] <eilker> akros: i had that error
[05:34] <lotusleaf> eilker, for a tuxfamily.org specific question, see irc.tuxfamily.org :)
[05:35] <akrus> eilker: it's warning, ignore it :)
[05:35] <Ghost75> in the past i've tried to install java with adept but i am then usually unable to select the options to continue at the prompts
[05:35] <lotusleaf> akrus, why ignore it?
[05:35] <Ghost75> so gonna have to learn the *cringe* command-line alternative, lol
[05:35] <lotusleaf> akrus, user should import a key to verify for security reasons :)
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Ghost75,  thers an issue where it prints up a EULA/thing ya got to hit enter on, to say yes.. or it hangs...
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Ghost75,  not noticed tht problem lately however.
[05:36] <lotusleaf> eilker, the folks at irc.tuxfamily.org may kindly help you
[05:36] <syraka> ciao carusi
[05:36] <chuen> Hi. How easy is it to switch to Ubuntu (and then back to Kubuntu). Where can I find details?
[05:36] <Ghost75> i've encountered it 2-3 times
[05:36] <akrus> lotusleaf: cause i don't remember a website with a key :P
[05:37] <Ghost75> this is like my 8th install of kubuntu in the past 6 months, heh. the issues are getting less and less all the time tho
[05:37] <Dr_willis> chuen,  trivial - install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu and the gdm  login thing has a menu you pick what one to use.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> chuen,  or install ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu and kdm has a menu
[05:37] <syraka> its too easy
[05:38] <syraka> italiani?
[05:38] <chuen> Dr_willis: you mean search for ubuntu-desktop (for example) in adept and install?
[05:38] <Sanne> Ghost75: the problems of installing java is usually that you have to agree to a license that doesn't come up. There's info on the wiki for that. Want me to find it for you?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <Dr_willis> there ya go. :) it will download a lot of stuff.
[05:38] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thanks I'll give it a go.
[05:38] <eilker> akrus: bad luck :D kdenlive: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[05:38] <eilker> akrus: broken packages
[05:38] <Ghost75> Sanne: was just googling to find the command for installing it in terminal, but any info is always welcome
[05:39] <Sanne> Ghost75: sec
[05:39] <waylandbill> lotusleaf: gpg --recv-key 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 && gpg --export --armor gpg --recv-key 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:39] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:39] <eilker> lotusleaf: r they in freenode ?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get  install sun-java5-jre
[05:39] <lotusleaf> eilker, yes some of them are
[05:39] <illissius> anyone know if there's a list of mirrors for feisty herd5 somewhere?
[05:39] <Sanne> Dr_willis: thanks (I *still* forget the grat bot, sigh). Ghost, there you are :)
[05:39] <crazy_penguin> Hello
[05:40] <Ghost75> k, gonna see if i can enable the backports
[05:40] <lotusleaf> eilker, the user "crafty" is one of them
[05:40] <Sanne> Ghost75: if you can't we can help
[05:40] <akrus> o_O
[05:40] <lotusleaf> eilker, though if you see above, someone has replied to me with a solution for you :)
[05:41] <eilker> lotusleaf: i cant see ?
[05:41] <waylandbill> lotusleaf, eilker: sorry about that. wrong recipient
[05:41] <Ghost75> i remember where to enable/disable repositories in adept manager, tho oddly now adept isn't opening since i did the update and closed it
[05:42] <waylandbill> eilker: gpg --recv-key 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 && gpg --export --armor 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 | sudo apt-key add - | sudo apt-key add -
[05:42] <eilker> waylandbill: thank you so much
[05:42] <waylandbill> drat. drop the last apt-key add. :-)
[05:43] <waylandbill> but you get the idea
[05:43] <eilker> kdenlive: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed // can we do sth for it ?
[05:43] <Tm_T> illissius: Mooh.
[05:43] <eilker> we dont have it in repo's
[05:44] <Ghost75> i can still use adept in terminal but the adept package manager doesn't seem to want to open now
[05:44] <akrus> how to crop video part in kdenlive? x_X
[05:44] <aliveuser> how could i mount a drive owning it by my user and not by root??
[05:46] <illissius> Tm_T: Mooh?
[05:47] <eilker> akrus: is 7.04 ok ? do u suggest me to upgrade ?
[05:47] <Tm_T> illissius: Well, hi.
[05:47] <illissius> hey.
[05:47] <Tm_T> illissius: Did you try torrent? Dunno if it's any faster though.
[05:48] <illissius> Tm_T: trying that too. currently, torrent is coming at 10kbish, anl.gov at 50ish
[05:49] <illissius> but either way it doesn't seem i'll have anything to install within the rest of today
[05:49] <akrus> eilker: looks ok :)
[05:50] <akrus> eilker: at least i don't any problems except network xD
[05:50] <akrus> here's the maintainer: Trevinho :)
[05:51] <eilker> akrus: i dont have network, what is your vga card ? mine is intel, driver i810
[05:51] <akrus> Trevinho: do you know how to use kdenlive? o_O
[05:51] <akrus> eilker: nVidia GF7600 GT
[05:51] <akrus> :)
[05:51] <eilker> good :D
[05:52] <eilker> akrus : there are tutorials at their site , http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/tutorials.php
[05:52] <akrus> oh great
[05:54] <Ghost75> well, i've got to get to work, will check adept when i get home tonight and see if i can get it and java working
[05:54] <Ghost75> thanks again
[05:56] <eilker> akrus: do u have audacity installed ? i installed it but no text in its menu
[05:56] <akrus> no
[05:56] <akrus> :)
[05:57] <Dr_willis> some times an app dosent get its menu entrys shown till the menus get rescaned. not sure what the deal is. thers some command that for4ces a rescan.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> but i can never rember it. ;
[06:01] <Tm_T> illissius: Ouch.
[06:03] <dromer> hi, how can I play flv-files ?
[06:03] <eagles0513875> what is a good movie format converter
[06:03] <matthias> hi can i
[06:03] <Dr_willis> dromer,  ive drug them to the browser befor to play them.
[06:03] <matthias> damage my moniter if i
[06:03] <dromer> I've tried mplayer, but I get only the sound and mplayer becomes non-responsive (with this file at least)
[06:04] <fuel> dromer: vlc works
[06:04] <Dr_willis> dromer,  or i think xine/mplayer/vlc may be able to play them also.
[06:04] <fuel> Dr_willis: xine does not give you audio
[06:04] <matthias> change the gamma from 2.0 to
[06:04] <dromer> fuel: hasn't worked here ..
[06:04] <matthias> 2.4
[06:04] <matthias> ??
[06:04] <fuel> :O
[06:04] <Dr_willis> you do need the flash player installed dont ya.
[06:04] <dromer> Dr_willis: I have flash9 installed yes :P
[06:05] <dromer> I can't open it with firefox anyway
[06:05] <Dr_willis> dromer,  i was thinking it came with a stand alone flash player.
[06:05] <fuel> dromer:  why ?
[06:05] <chuen> Dr_willis: Ubuntu now installed. How do I access kdm to switch - is it via command line?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> but perhaps not.. :) may of been an extra package.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> chuen,  kdm is the login manager you see at first login.
[06:06] <dromer> fuel: I don't know why, it just doesn't play. I have VLC 0.8.4
[06:06] <Dr_willis> gdm is the gnome equilivent. They both have a 'sessions' menu to pick what desktop to use
[06:06] <fuel> chuen: right click desktop and choose lock current session and start a new one
[06:06] <eagles0513875> what is a good movie format converter
[06:06] <chuen> fuel: OK, thanks.
[06:06] <HymnToLife> eagles0513875, depends which formats...
[06:06] <dromer> fuel: the progression-bar (which says how far the clip is) does move, though very fast and there is no sound/screen
[06:07] <eagles0513875> something that kaffine woudl recognize
[06:07] <fuel> dromer: peculiar...... have you tried other flv clips ?
[06:07] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thanks.
[06:07] <eagles0513875> other then wmv
[06:07] <dromer> at least mplayer gives back sound, though it hangs and there is no screen :P
[06:07] <dromer> fuel: not yet, I just have this one atm
[06:07] <lupul> hi there. does anyone know a wallet beside the one included in edgy
[06:07] <fuel> dromer: try downloading some other clip
[06:07] <lupul> ?
[06:07] <HymnToLife> eagles0513875, so you want to convert WMV into something else ?
[06:07] <HymnToLife> you're out of luck, at least in Linux
[06:07] <HymnToLife> WMV is evil
[06:07] <fuel> dromer: problem might be with that clip
[06:07] <Dr_willis> WMV is worse then evil.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:07] <eagles0513875> ya
[06:08] <eagles0513875> alot of programs i use dont recognize wmv on here
[06:08] <Dr_willis> ive used wine and some of the versious convertr tools.. to 'some' luck.
[06:08] <dromer> fuel: I tried converting it with ffmpeg, but that didn't work
[06:08] <Dr_willis> a lot depends on the codec the speficic wmv is using.
[06:08] <eagles0513875> im in a fude with wine so if i dont have to use it i dont want to
[06:08] <lupul> but why do you want to convert them?
[06:08] <lupul> !wallet
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <fuel> dromer: try an another clip......
[06:08] <eagles0513875> non of kubuntu progs recognize wmv
[06:08] <HymnToLife> yeah, WMV is the nightmare of video encoders
[06:08] <lupul> there is avifile player
[06:08] <lupul> that works
[06:09] <eagles0513875> what could i use to decode it then reencode it
[06:09] <Dr_willis> I love the wmv codecs that install spyware.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:09] <HymnToLife> I don't even know if you can find two WMV's encoded ans muxed the same way
[06:09] <eagles0513875> lolo
[06:09] <dromer> lupul: is this regarding wmv or flv? :P
[06:09] <HymnToLife> and*
[06:09] <lupul> anyway, does anyone know another wallet?
[06:09] <HymnToLife> what's wrong with KWallet ?
[06:10] <waylandbill> vendor lock-in. how irritating for migrating. :-)
[06:10] <eagles0513875> i think that is what he is referring to hymn
[06:10] <lupul> doesn't remember my passwords
[06:10] <eagles0513875> it did for me
[06:10] <HymnToLife> of course it does
[06:10] <Dr_willis> does forme also. :)
[06:10] <lupul> once for me too
[06:10] <lupul> but not anymore
[06:10] <Dr_willis> since thats its job... heh..
[06:10] <Dr_willis> someone stole your kwallet!
[06:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:10] <lupul> :))
[06:11] <lupul> i have some long passwords and i'm tired to type them everytime
[06:11] <mrbrdo> how do i enable alsa sound sequencer? i get this error: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[06:11] <waylandbill> there was a problem with an older version of kwallet that it wasn't doing passwords correctly, iirc.
[06:11] <eagles0513875> that is scary if thats the case cuz someone did a good job hackin ur comp lupul
[06:11] <lupul> no
[06:12] <lupul> it happened to me before without having a network or net
[06:12] <eagles0513875> interesting
[06:12] <neutraloss> is anyone here unable to change the colors in the contact list for Kopete?
[06:13] <lupul> nope
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> I gave up on Kopete,it was crashing beryl..
[06:13] <mrbrdo> how do i enable alsa sound sequencer? i get this error: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[06:13] <ckd_> evrybody know how can skype in am64 to run ?
[06:13] <ckd_> i used it with linux32
[06:13] <ckd_> but
[06:13] <ckd_> ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libaudio.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:13] <waylandbill> nosrednaekim: opening a window can crash beryl. ;-)
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> haha
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> good call
[06:13] <neutraloss> I don't use Beryl atm because of xgl and xorg 7.2
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> cdk, get automatix
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> it'll do everything for you
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> what does XXGL have problems with 7.2?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <Sanne> mrbrdo: search section "ALSA Sequencer" in this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[06:15] <spitwise> !beryl
[06:15] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> automatix isn't bad for installing skype(thats what I got it for)
[06:15] <faidillinger> automatix kinda sucks
[06:15] <Dr_willis> i would MUCH rather see mini-scripts that do the individual tasks..
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> why?
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> I agree with that
[06:16] <Dr_willis> that are gpl'ed and easialy fixed, and that follow common practice. :)
[06:16] <Dr_willis> ive seen way too many people get stuff trashed by automatix.
[06:16] <mrbrdo> Sanne: i don't have that module
[06:16] <mrbrdo> Sanne: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis, I agree, using automatix to instal beryl etc would be grave mistake
[06:17] <chuen> Dr_willis: When I rebooted it went straight to the Ubuntu desktop - how to I choose Kubuntu as default? I'm currently lost in an unfamiliar world :)
[06:17] <mrbrdo> Sanne: but i don't have that directory for that kernel version, it's -10-generic here not -11-generic ??
[06:17] <Dr_willis> chuen,  look at the  screen... see somthing that says 'sessions' ? its a MENU
[06:17] <mrbrdo> Sanne: actually -10-386
[06:17] <Dr_willis> chuen,  if you got it auto-logging in - you need to disable that.
[06:18] <Sanne> mrbrdo: something weird going on. What kernel are you running? uname -a
[06:18] <mrbrdo> Sanne: it's -11-generic.. btw this is a chroot (32bit from 64bit edgy)
[06:18] <chuen> Dr_willis: Mm, can't see that menu.
[06:19] <chuen> Dr_will: Not sure if it's auto-logging or not!
[06:19] <Dr_willis> chuen,  you need to get to the KDM or GDM login screen.. its theres somewhere. :) if you are going straight to the 'desktop' then its auto-logging in.
[06:19] <chuen> Dr_willis: OK.
[06:19] <mrbrdo> i will try now to reinstall linux package
[06:19] <Sanne> mrbrdo: find out which alsa modules you have by typing: modinfo snd<tab><tab>
[06:19] <lupul> what about a good firewall? does anyone know some?
[06:19] <waylandbill> even if it is auto-logging in, ending the session will give the menu
[06:19] <Dr_willis> go to the K menu --> Switch New user --> Start New Session to see what its like. :)
[06:20] <Dr_willis> is another way to 'test' it
[06:20] <chuen> Dr_willis: If I try and don't like ubuntu what's the best way to uninstall it?
[06:20] <Sanne> mrbrdo: look for something with "snd-seq"
[06:20] <mrbrdo> Sanne: when i press tab: ls: /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic: No such file or directory
[06:20] <mrbrdo> :)
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Heh - the KDM default theme dosetn have text.. the little 'menu ' thing to the left of the login box is where you click to get to the sessions menu.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> chuen,  you mean the ubuntu-gnome desktop? or the whole OS?
[06:21] <Sanne> mrbrdo: so you don't have any modules? what does "lsmod" say (listing your loaded modules)
[06:21] <waylandbill> Dr_willis: yeah. not obvious
[06:21] <mrbrdo> Sanne: yes lsmod displays quite a few
[06:21] <mrbrdo> but no snd_seq
[06:22] <Sanne> mrbrdo: then you need to have that directory *scratches head*
[06:22] <mrbrdo> Sanne: it's a chroot32
[06:22] <chuen> Dr_willis: Well, it looks like I've just installed the whole OS (unless the desktop is about 550mb!)
[06:22] <mrbrdo> Sanne: i am trying to reinstall the linux package now
[06:22] <mrbrdo> Sanne: but it seems i am on a very slow mirror can i somehow say which mirror i want to use for apt-get
[06:22] <Sanne> mrbrdo: maybe there are additional module packages?
[06:23] <mrbrdo> Sanne: but i don't have any /lib/module/that kernel(-11-..) directory, it must be something wrong
[06:23] <Sanne> mrbrdo: you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and put another coubntry code to the "deb" lines
[06:23] <mrbrdo> ah yes i see
[06:23] <waylandbill> a chroot won't have the same modules as the loaded ones necessarily.
[06:24] <Sanne> waylandbill: aha. Can you help mrbrdo to get snd_seq (alsa sequencer module)?
[06:26] <nuxil> hi all
[06:26] <chuen> Dr_willis: Still can find kdm or gdm login screen or session menu :(
[06:26] <nuxil> does anyone know if theres a pkg kicker kickoff for edgy amd 64 ?
[06:27] <waylandbill> unfortunately, I've neve worked with sound sequencer so I knoow nothing abouut it.
[06:27] <Sanne> waylandbill: ok
[06:27] <waylandbill> nuxil: there is, but not in official repos
[06:28] <nuxil> waylandbill, where
[06:28] <nuxil> +
[06:28] <nuxil> ?
[06:28] <nuxil> can you gimme the repo ?
[06:29] <nuxil> !kickoff amd64
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kickoff amd64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <waylandbill> nuxil: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Kickoff-KDE-Menu-in-Kubuntu-Ubuntu-46601.shtml
[06:29] <nuxil> ok .. thanks
[06:30] <Sanne> mrbrdo: when I look for the file snd-seq.ko (the actual name of the module file) on packages.ubuntu.com in "Search contents of packages", to see which packages provide that file, I get this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=snd-seq.ko&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i386
[06:30] <nuxil> waylandbill, erm.. thats for i386
[06:31] <nuxil> i need for amd64
[06:31] <waylandbill> nuxil: if someone made an 86 version, there's probably a 64 one out there some where.
[06:31] <Sanne> mrbrdo: I don't see your kernel in that list...
[06:32] <mrbrdo> Sanne: yes i think it has something to do with me using the newer nvidia drivers
[06:32] <nuxil> sure.. i been trying to google.. but come up empty
[06:32] <mrbrdo> Sanne: i am downloading the new packages i'll see how that works out.. else i have to switch to the official kernel i guess
[06:33] <Dr_willis> odd.. my linux box just went 'bam!' black screen...
[06:34] <Dr_willis> this pc is getting old and flakey. :(
[06:34] <Sanne> mrbrdo: might be. Isn't your kernel the official 2.6.17-11-generic from ubuntu?
[06:34] <Sanne> mrbrdo: because I don't see how the nvidia modules should interfere with the sound modules, in case they are present, that is.
[06:35] <Okapi> hello to all
[06:35] <Okapi> I can not get dosemu runs. Anyone can help?
[06:36] <maelcum_> Dr_willis: if your board is 3-4 years old, you might have the "capacitor plague".
[06:37] <fuel> how do i play bin files ? is it possible to play directly or if not how do i mount it?? (virtually)
[06:38] <oem> is there a cursive Font i can dowlad to use in Kubuntu?
[06:38] <waylandbill> fuel: there's software to convert bin/cue to iso.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> maelcum_,  yep..  noticing about once a week it flakes out on me.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> oem,  check the package manager - thers lots of fonts not installed by default
[06:38] <oem> okk
[06:38] <fuel> mstcorefonts!
[06:38] <fuel> !fonts
[06:38] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[06:39] <fuel> !msttcorefonts > oem
[06:41] <nuxil> hmm.. i found a "kicker-kickoff_kubuntu-kicker-46.deb" but what is a 46 ?
[06:42] <AMSmith42> Does Kubuntu not have a server version?
[06:42] <maelcum_> Dr_willis: you might want to google for "capacitor plague" and repair it yourself if a new board plus the other stuff like cpu is too expensive.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> maelcum_,  its all  cheap. :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> couldbe the 7 hard drives i got in it...
[06:43] <waylandbill> nuxil: google defines it as six more than forty. ;-P
[06:43] <Dextron45> How can I replace Edgy's Power Manager with Kpowersave?
[06:43] <sylvain_> Hi all I'm sorry but I'm french and I don't speak english... they are a french here ?
[06:44] <apokryphos> !fr
[06:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:44] <nuxil> waylandbill, lol
[06:44] <sylvain_> thanks :)
[06:44] <mzanfardino> I'm running kubuntu edgy with firefox 2.0 and thunderbird 1.5.  I have defined firefox as my default web browser, yet when I click a hyperlink in an email Konqueror opens, not firefox.  any idea how I can change this behavior?
[06:45] <bentob0x> how can I know my KDE version?
[06:45] <nuxil> waylandbill, , i dont speed espaniol.. so i dont know what this site says, http://69.60.114.106/www.kubuntu-es.org/public_html/?q=node/837
[06:45] <nuxil> but thers a 28 and 46 deb
[06:45] <Ayabara> is gwenview the default image viewer for kubuntu?
[06:46] <chavo> bentob0x, kde-config --version or Help -> About in any KDE app
[06:46] <bentob0x> is 3.5.5 the latest one?
[06:46] <waylandbill> nuxil: google.com has a link 'language tools' that you can use to convert foreign pages.
[06:46] <maelcum_> bentob0x: 3.5.6
[06:46] <bentob0x> (thx chavo btw :)
[06:47] <chavo> bentob0x, no 3.5.6 is out
[06:47] <Ayabara> how can I make kubuntu not display the ~ backup files?
[06:47] <waylandbill> nuxil: the 28 means 28x28 and the 46 is 46x46.
[06:47] <nuxil> ahh icon size
[06:47] <maelcum_> bentob0x: repository is at "http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main"
[06:47] <Dextron45> No one knows how to replace KDE Power MAnager with Kpowersave?
[06:48] <chavo> that's for edgy only tho
[06:49] <Sanne> AMSmith42: seems that there's no Kubuntu server version, but since those versions don't focus on desktop use anyway, you could use the ubuntu server version. Maybe the Kubuntu alternate cd has a server boot option to install a minimal system, though (I'm not sure here).
[06:49] <nick_> I have a ?
[06:49] <waylandbill> nuxil: looks like short of building from source, you may have to wait.
[06:49] <chavo> the server doesn't have Kubuntu versio because there's no desktop installed
[06:50] <mortici> is there any reason as to why my windows partition, that i mount through fstab is ROOT only, i can not access it through regular users?
[06:50] <nick_> I am new to linux and am wondering how to install downloaded programs
[06:50] <chavo> and yes the alternate CD does have a "Command line" install
[06:50] <hole> hello how do i mount a usb cd burner?
[06:50] <hole> it isn't showing in places
[06:51] <nuxil> waylandbill, i think so too..
[06:51] <Ayabara> is it possible to make kmix use more volume levels when I press volume up/down on my keyboard?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> nick_,  you RARELy just 'download' programs. You use thepackage manager to download/install them
[06:51] <Dr_willis> nick_,  if you find some spefific program not in the repos. (like puzzle pirates) then each program may have its own method of getting installed properly
[06:52] <Industria1> hi, is here space to state a problem ?
[06:52] <Malph> two nights ago i finally figured out why the Kubuntu liveCD wasn't working for me.  I have an SLI motherboard and while I was getting all the boot information and loading screens the actual liveCD desktop was defaulting to the other graphics card.  Is anyone aware if this is a known issue?
[06:52] <nick_> ok
[06:52] <AMSmith42> Sanne: Thank you very much. I looked and found that I will probably be installing Ubuntu server and then installing the KDE desktop. My aim is to use the LTSP.
[06:52] <Alumin> Industria1: yes
[06:52] <mzanfardino> I'm interested in upgrading KDE from 3.5.5. to 3.5.6.  I've added to my sources.list file "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main" however, when I run apt-get update I get the following error: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[06:53] <nick_> so I downloaded firefox and need to get it running what do I do
[06:53] <Sanne> AMSmith42: yes, you can do that. It can be that I just can find the kubuntu server edition, though, I didn't look long :). And what is LTSP?
[06:53] <Alumin> nick_: "apt-get install firefox"?
[06:53] <Industria1> okay, so today i dowloaded the Kbuntu DVD ;
[06:53] <Industria1> while installing  the DVD was not able to install the basic system ... so  i checked the DVD checksum via the MENU point , check DVD , .... it failed ....   so the DVD is worthless ?
[06:53] <Gizmo48> POSSIBLE EASY ONE?--->   Just installed Thunderbird mail, was browsing with Firefox and came across a page that had a mailto, clicked it, and Thunderbird dir NOT launch... Anyone know what I did/didnt do?
[06:53] <Alumin> does anyone have an opinion on which MTA to install for a desktop system?  I'm deciding between postfix and exim
[06:54] <AMSmith42> sanne: No, I don't think there is a Kubuntu-specific server distro. LTSP = Linux Terminal Server Project.
[06:54] <Alumin> Gizmo48: what did launch?
[06:54] <Malph> Alumin:  I like postfix myself and there are a lot of ubuntu postfix tutorials available
[06:54] <Ayabara> anyone? can I increase # of volume levels in kubuntu (when usinig vol up/dn on mye laptop)
[06:54] <Alumin> you need to configure tbird as firefox's mailto: protocol handler
[06:54] <chuen> Sorry to press apoint guy, but I'd love to be able to at least access Kubuntu desktop again - if not boot directly to it!
[06:54] <Gizmo48> Nothing
[06:55] <AMSmith42> sanne: The LTSP guys say that the client will display whatever desktop is on the server, so I think my solution of installing KDE on Ubuntu will work just fine. Thank you for your help.
[06:55] <Alumin> Gizmo48: Firefox isn't part of the "KDE Kollective" (heh)
[06:55] <Alumin> so it doesn't get its handlers from the global KDE settings
[06:55] <eagles0513875> firefox rox
[06:55] <chuen> I've found 'sessions' in the 'system' menu, but there aren't many options there.
[06:55] <Gizmo48> OK... not sure where that is done
[06:55] <Alumin> Gizmo48: honestly, I don't remember how to do it, but if you google for "firefox protocol handler mailto" you'll get it
[06:56] <Sanne> AMSmith42: you're welcome (Tip: if you want the kubuntu specific kde, install the package kubuntu-desktop)
[06:56] <Alumin> Malph: postfix eh
[06:56] <Industria1> question :  when the Kbuntu DVD failes on Checksum -
[06:56] <Industria1> is the false checksumfile or the DVD is corrupt ?
[06:57] <Alumin> Industria1: the DVD is corrupt by definition
[06:57] <Alumin> since the checksum file is contained on the DVD?
[06:57] <AMSmith42> Sanne: Thanks again.
[06:57] <Industria1> m due to the download ? or due to the seed ?
[06:57] <Gizmo48> OK, will do , thanks biggrin
[06:57] <bentob0x> under windows, I used a software called Winmerge (http://www.winmerge.org), what's the equivalent under Linux/KDE?
[06:57] <Sanne> AMSmith42: good lick :)
[06:57] <Industria1> i did DC
[06:57] <Sanne> AMSmith42: (LOL) luck ,even
[06:57] <Alumin> Industria1: did you get it via BitTorrent?
[06:57] <Malph> Alumin: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[06:57] <chuen> Dr_Willis: Can you, or anyone point the way again? (back to Kubuntu desktop from Ubuntu destop) pls?
[06:57] <AMSmith42> hehehe
[06:58] <Industria1> no Direct Connection
[06:58] <Ayabara> what do you guys use for laptop power management in kubuntu?
[06:58] <Sanne> rofl
[06:58] <Industria1> via a FTp i guess
[06:58] <Dr_willis> chuen,  on the KDM login screen theres a BIG 'menu' icon on the left side of the login:  click on it
[06:58] <Alumin> Industria1: ok...it's possible that you got a bad download then
[06:58] <Industria1> should i find the URL   AND report someone ?
[06:58] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'm in GDM - that's the problem :)
[06:58] <Dr_willis> then look around.
[06:58] <Dextron45> Yea, I downloaded kpowersave, opened it, closed KDE's Power Manager and rebooted. But KDE's Power Manager keeps opening :|
[06:58] <Dr_willis> theres a button or menu somewhere for the sessions
[06:59] <Dr_willis> if you plan on using KDE mainly. you should swich to using KDM not GDM
[06:59] <waylandbill> bentob0x: kompare, cervisa, gvim or even just diff.
[06:59] <chuen> Thhere's 'system' -> 'sessions'
[06:59] <Alumin> Industria1: you could email the maintainer of the FTP site and tell them, they might want to check their copy locally to make sure it's good
[06:59] <chuen> Dr_willis: system - preferences - sessons
[07:00] <Industria1> ignoring the fact , that it could be their intension ?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> chuen,  not from your running X session. from the LOGIN screen
[07:00] <Alumin> Industria1: well, it could be, I suppose
[07:00] <Alumin> if I were you, I'd get the DVD from the Kubuntu torrent links
[07:00] <Dr_willis> i always found the torrents slow..
[07:00] <Industria1> so there is noone responsible to watch  the provider of the ISOs ?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> and the dvd not worth grabbing. :) stick to the cd
[07:01] <Ayabara> can someone please help? what do you guys use for laptop power management in kubuntu?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> !find laptop
[07:01] <ubotu> Found: laptop-detect, laptop-mode-tools, education-laptop, klaptopdaemon, kpowersave (and 4 others)
[07:01] <Alumin> Industria1: did you get the FTP link from the kubuntu site?
[07:01] <Industria1> not sure
[07:01] <chuen> Dr_willis: Sorry, I'm lost. Do you mean the 'splash' screen that appears when I first boot and asks fors username / password?
[07:01] <Ayabara>  Dr_willis , thanks. seem to remember I used kpowersave earlier
[07:01] <Industria1> now i download  from ubuntuusers.de the ubuntu DVD
[07:02] <Industria1> i guess KDE upgrade is possible ?
[07:02] <nick_> sorry, still dont understand how to install firefox.  can someone expalain in plain language.
[07:02] <Dextron45> klaptopdaemon is that Edgy's default Power Manager?
[07:02] <eagles0513875> when is fiesty going to be released
[07:02] <waylandbill> !fiesty
[07:02] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:02] <Alumin> you can tell from the version number
[07:03] <Dr_willis> chuen,  when your system first boots.. you get a purty screen with 2 text fields..  one for login name, and another for password.. THAT screen. :)
[07:03] <Alumin> 7.04 means 2007-04
[07:03] <Ayabara> I can't find a default power manager.. I see info about the power status, but I can't adjust anything
[07:03] <Dr_willis> the 'splash screen ' is just a purty animation befor all that.
[07:03] <Dextron45> If you want you can download Feisty Herd 5 off of Kubuntu's site
[07:03] <Dr_willis> nick_,  sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:03] <Dextron45> Only heard of minor errors
[07:03] <chuen> Dr_willis: OK :) What to do at that point?
[07:03] <nick_> what is sudo?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> chuen,  click on the sessions menu
[07:03] <waylandbill> only herd of minor errors. ;-)
[07:04] <Dr_willis> nick_,  a command you use from the shell
[07:04] <chuen> Dr_willis: OK, I'll do that . than what?
[07:04] <nick_> is that the same a Konsole?
[07:04] <waylandbill> nick_: yes
[07:05] <nick_> ok i'll try
[07:05] <jhutchins> Ayabara: Not usually something you can do from within the OS, it's usually a BIOS function.  What are you trying to adjust?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> chuen,   err select one  then login
[07:05] <jhutchins> !sudo | nick_
[07:05] <ubotu> nick_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:05] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thanks. Sorry to sound so 'thick'.
[07:05] <jhutchins> !kdesu | nick_
[07:05] <ubotu> nick_: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:06] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Don't suppose you have write access to the bot?
[07:07] <Ayabara> jhutchins, just the basics. when to standby, suspend, turn off monitor and such things. kpowersave seems to be what I needed :-)
[07:08] <jhutchins> Ayabara: ok, i thought you were trying to tweak voltages or something.
[07:08] <Ayabara> jhutchins, heavens no. :-)
[07:11] <x_link> Hi
[07:12] <x_link> Should I get Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) or Kubuntu 6.10 (edgy Eft) ?
[07:12] <Graham> Edgy.
[07:12] <jhutchins> x_link: What are you going to use it for?
[07:12] <hole> it isn't showing in places
[07:12] <hole> hello how do i mount a usb cd burner?
[07:13] <x_link> jhutchins: Just try it out, I'm new with Linux. I will try it in Qemu.
[07:13] <x_link> irssi, browsing, etc.
[07:13] <x_link> Small things
[07:13] <jhutchins> x_link: No reason not to go with edgy then.
[07:13] <Flosoft> hey
[07:13] <jhutchins> x_link: Main reason to use Dapper is for stability.
[07:13] <Flosoft> I am running feisty
[07:14] <x_link> ok
[07:14] <x_link> Well
[07:14] <jhutchins> Flosoft: Great!  Another bug-hunter!
[07:14] <ijacek> !cz
[07:14] <Graham> I've got an annoying problem, my capslock key doesn't work... and all keyboard settings in System Settings don't exist then. It's 6.10, any suggestions?
[07:14] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[07:14] <x_link> I will choose 6.06 then
[07:14] <Flosoft> and Knetworkmanager doesn't display my wifi settings :S
[07:14] <jhutchins> x_link: Go with 6.10.
[07:14] <x_link> ok
[07:14] <Flosoft> or atleast, I can't configure it with it :(
[07:14] <x_link> I can just find the live cd
[07:15] <Graham> Flosoft: Have you told it which is your wireless interface?
[07:15] <Flosoft> no
[07:15] <Flosoft> how do I do that?
[07:15] <Flosoft> I mena ... I currently use WLAssistant
[07:15] <x_link> Could somebody give me the url to the .iso file (not live cd)
[07:15] <Flosoft> but I want to use Knetworkmanager
[07:16] <x_link> Seems like I can only find the live cd.
[07:16] <jhutchins> x_link: As opposed to?
[07:16] <hatta> the live cd IS the install cd
[07:16] <hatta> it puts a link on your desktop that says "install"
[07:16] <waylandbill> does he mean the alternate cd
[07:18] <x_link> Ahh right
[07:18] <x_link> But I will use it in Qemu
[07:19] <Sanne> !alternate | waylandbill
[07:19] <ubotu> waylandbill: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[07:19] <nick_> got firefox installed!  thanks to all!
[07:19] <Sanne> waylandbill: oh, sorry, you didn't ask
[07:20] <waylandbill> :)
[07:22] <Flosoft> so any idea how I configure knetworkmanager so it controlls my WiFi card?
[07:22] <eilker> compiz
[07:22] <eilker> !compiz
[07:22] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:28] <jhutchins> Flosoft: Not in feisty.
[07:30] <angasule_> !DVD
[07:30] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:37] <angasule_> what is the difference between the install CD and the DVD? I can't find anything on the FAQ or docs
[07:37] <Dextron45> angasule: has more packages on media than the CD version
[07:38] <Flosoft> jhutchins: why not?
[07:38] <Dextron45> angasule: Its for lazy people, lol
[07:38] <angasule_> Dextron45: any idea of where I can get a list?
[07:39] <eilker>  i have freezing problem , i think it is cause of my mouse, and may be beryl , i dont know, from which log , i can check errors ?
[07:40] <Alumin> //var/log/XOrg.0.log perhaps
[07:40] <blekos> hi, i had a huge problem, i could not get into the internet. So no I am using one of this "restore" point that you see on start up.
[07:41] <blekos> Although it seemed to be connected somehow smg was blocking from getting into the internet
[07:41] <blekos> any ideas?
[07:41] <waylandbill> angasule: in the same folder as the DVD iso is a .list file. Tells the contents
[07:41] <Alumin> restore point?  You mean an alternate kernel?
[07:41] <goingnorthwest> anyone know which version of java im supposed to get?
[07:42] <blekos> i guess so, just the previous version
[07:42] <Alumin> goingnorthwest: I'd get the Sun one
[07:42] <Gizmo48> OK, Why is THIS happening -->  I run Adept and it returns this error:  Su returned with an error.
[07:42] <blekos> you know, when you upgrade etc, linux autosave anything and you can use a previous version
[07:42] <angasule> waylandbill: thanks :)
[07:42] <blekos> will i have any differences in my programs?
[07:42] <goingnorthwest> ty
[07:43] <Alumin> linux doesn't "autosave everything" when you upgrade
[07:43] <goingnorthwest> which version is it?
[07:43] <skreech> Hello I'm having some issues with startx
[07:43] <Alumin> the package manager will generally keep old kernels around and display more than one in the bootloader, though
[07:43] <blekos> hm, what does it saves?
[07:43] <Alumin> which I assume is what you're talking about
[07:43] <blekos> what does it save
[07:43] <skreech> I've taken my hard drive and put it in a new computer
[07:43] <angasule> bah, not worth it, I'll get the CD, I'm going to install Feisty once it comes out anyway...
[07:44] <skreech> done a chroot to my / and did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:44] <Alumin> goingnorthwest: not sure, but java.com will have the latest version
[07:44] <skreech> I'm getting a EE no devices found error
[07:44] <Alumin> if it's not in apt
[07:44] <Alumin> try "apt-cache search j2re"
[07:44] <waylandbill> skreech: that was my first advice dpkg-reconfigure the xorg. :-/
[07:44] <skreech> waylandbill: Yup :)
[07:45] <goingnorthwest> i see 4 linux things, rpm, x64, x64 rpm?
[07:45] <x_link> http://ftp.port80.se/ubuntu-cd/kubuntu/6.06/
[07:45] <Alumin> Java should be getting a lot easier now that it's GPL
[07:45] <waylandbill> you can always put in the vesa driver to get up and running
[07:45] <skreech> It has vesa
[07:45] <x_link> That is the right file, right?
[07:45] <Alumin> no more futzing around with indirect installers
[07:45] <waylandbill> can you pastebin the Xorg.0.log ?
[07:45] <Alumin> mad respect to blackdown for putting the work in, in the meantime, though
[07:45] <skreech> waylandbill: from the terminal?
[07:46] <blekos> is there any chance vmware to block u from getting into the internet?
[07:46] <waylandbill> yeah.. that's always a dilema. :-)
[07:46] <waylandbill> blekos: if you didn't set up vmware to bridge or nat the network it could.
[07:46] <blekos> i c
[07:46] <Gizmo48> OK, Why is THIS happening -->  I run Adept and it returns this error:  Su returned with an error.
[07:46] <Gizmo48> 
[07:46] <Gizmo48> Running Sudo by itself produced this:
[07:46] <Gizmo48> 
[07:46] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 0 <<<
[07:46] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 1 <<<
[07:46] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 2 <<<
[07:46] <skreech> waylandbill: the one error is No devices found
[07:46] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 3 <<<
[07:46] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 4 <<<
[07:47] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 5 <<<
[07:47] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 6 <<<
[07:47] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 7 <<<
[07:47] <blekos> i have uninstall it, i'll restart my computer now and c what happens
[07:47] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 8 <<<
[07:47] <Gizmo48> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 9 <<<
[07:47] <Gizmo48> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 0
[07:47] <Gizmo48> ---------------------------------
[07:47] <skreech> the line before that says Primary Devices is :ISA
[07:47] <Gizmo48> 
[07:47] <skreech> !paste | Gizmo48
[07:47] <ubotu> Gizmo48: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:47] <waylandbill> skreech. double check the devices in the xorg.conf then
[07:48] <fdoving> Gizmo48: did you edit the /etc/sudoers file manually?
[07:48] <Gizmo48> no
[07:48] <LL_Hakaisou> !ati
[07:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:48] <skreech> waylandbill: It says Device: Identifier "Generic Video Card"
[07:48] <skreech> Driver "vesa'
[07:48] <skreech> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[07:49] <skreech> Should I have a DRI setting?
[07:49] <skreech> Onboard Video Card
[07:49] <skreech> !
[07:49] <skreech> Duh!!
[07:50] <skreech> I'll copy the Xorg from the non CHroot /
[07:50] <Gizmo48> SORRY abt flood folks, still getting used to KVirc.
[07:51] <skreech> waylandbill: Whee new error :)
[07:54] <dell190_> anyone know a good media player that will play MP3??
[07:54] <Riddell> amarok
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> amarok is the best by far
[07:54] <dell190_> it doesnt work :(
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> did you install the codecs?
[07:55] <dell190_> how do i do that.. this is only my 3rd day using linux
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> dell190_: you want to open up adept and install libxine-extracodecs
[07:56] <waylandbill> dell190_: edgy? amarok will ask if you want to install mp3 support
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !multiverse | dell190_
[07:56] <ubotu> dell190_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> waylandbill: it didnt ask me that in edgy :(
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> you want to add multiverse first though ^^
[07:56] <Gizmo48> fdoving: Im screwed now huh....:(
[07:56] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: bummer. :-/
[07:57] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: and it only does the first time you try to play an mp3.
[07:59] <dell190_> i tried that SUDO code and it said that it is missing or obsolite
[07:59] <skreech> waylandbill: ok back again
[08:00] <fdoving> Gizmo48: reboot to rescue mode (grub boot menu) and fix your /etc/sudoers file with the 'visudo' command.
[08:00] <skreech>  I get a no screens found error
[08:00] <waylandbill> skreech: try a more conservative resolution.
[08:01] <waylandbill> Xorg.0.log should give info about the error.
[08:02] <Gizmo48> OK..  i did some checking, I think I know how... THANK YOU.    I was up till 5 AM this morning cofiguring the new install,, NOT happy.
[08:04] <skreech> waylandbill: Oh wait there is more to the Error. It says the screen section must only have either Driver or Identifier
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> dell190_: did you do sudo.
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> not in capitals
[08:05] <dell190_> yes
[08:06] <skreech> waylandbill: Ah Fixed that.
[08:06] <skreech> Now I'm back to no Devices detected :(
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> what command did you use?
[08:06] <dell190_> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the output?
[08:07] <skreech> 0.o
[08:07] <jermain> hi everyone
[08:07] <jermain> ^^
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> oh, repositories. do you have multiverse installed?
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> err enabled*
[08:08] <dhq> how do i install rpm files in kubuntu
[08:08] <dell190_> i dunno
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> dhq: you don't need to
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> dhq: what are you trying to install
[08:08] <jermain> dhq: try to find .deb files instead
[08:08] <dhq> limewire
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> dhq: install frostwire...they have a .deb
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !frostwire | dhq
[08:09] <ubotu> dhq: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:09] <dhq> Admiral_Chicago: is it better than mldonkey
[08:09] <jermain> a retarded question, how do i install that [censure]  adobe flash plugin ><
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know anything about ml donkey. I use frostwire about once a moth
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> jermain: which release are you in?
[08:10] <skreech> !flash | jermain
[08:10] <ubotu> jermain: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:10] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[08:10] <skreech> !X
[08:10] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:10] <jermain> thanks
[08:10] <jermain> !flash
[08:10] <dhq> frostwire is not in the repos
[08:10] <jermain> thanks admiral
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[08:10] <jermain> i'll get into it right now
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> may have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:11] <skreech> Ok true or false if I have the same Video card and the same Monitor the same xorg.conf should work?
[08:11] <dasickis> hey I was wondering if anyone had this problem where Beryl works fine but then after a couple of times I opened it up it started crashing, so I tried to reinstall it and then NVidia drivers just wouldn't work anymore?
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> jermain: flashplugin-nonfree is the package name
[08:11] <chavo> skreech, c. Maybe
[08:11] <dasickis> I was also removing some other non-related (or so I thought) programs before this happened
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> dasickis: might want to check in #ubuntu-effects
[08:12] <dasickis> thanks
[08:13] <dasickis> another problem I had was Knetworkmanager messed up and doesn't look for wireless networks anymore
[08:13] <dasickis> I was trying to install a local dns cache and edited resolv.conf
[08:13] <dasickis> now Knetworkmanager just has a static connection thing
[08:13] <dasickis> instead of wireless networks it found
[08:14] <dell190_> how do i install this Multiverse thing???
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> !multiverse | dell190_
[08:15] <ubotu> dell190_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:15] <eigentard> hola
[08:15] <eigentard> I'm trying to install Kubuntu but I'm getting kernel panic's off the 6.06 CD
[08:15] <jermain> Admiral_Chicago thanks again, i just installed it :)
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> jermain: np
[08:16] <eigentard> how can I fix this?
[08:16] <jermain> it seems i dint have the multiverse enabled :)
[08:16] <matthias> hi
[08:16] <skreech> chavo: What would make it change?
[08:16] <matthias> i nee a free fast server
[08:16] <matthias> i need a free, fast server
[08:17] <matthias> because i want to make a place on the net
[08:17] <jermain> use a spare computer and make your own server :)
[08:17] <chavo> skreech, different xorg version or maybe the video driver wasn't installed. for the most part it should work but there are times when it wouldn't
[08:18] <eigentard> I know this is a retarded question but how do I enter acpi=force into the boot line?  Do I put it before or after the -- ?
[08:18] <matthias> so that i could make a place where linux game developers can find information on
[08:18] <skreech> chavo: How do I check for the driver?
[08:18] <matthias> a site where all information about developing a game is stored in a easy to find system
[08:19] <vleon> im trying to make kde look more like gnome (i like the gnome interface more and i want to see if kde can mimic it so i can compare other stuff)
[08:19] <skreech> moin aseigo
[08:19] <vleon> so ive made my panel smaller and created a new pannel that will be in the upper screen
[08:19] <matthias> because i want windows game developers to start developing games for linux
[08:19] <aseigo> skreech: moin
[08:20] <matthias> linux is the best
[08:20] <matthias> and i think linux really deserve this
[08:20] <vleon> but i cant configure the upper pannel to make it smaller O_O
[08:20] <hatta> matthias, you might try icculus.org
[08:20] <hatta> http://icculus.org/sysinfo/usage.html
[08:20] <hatta> they host a lot of linux game projects
[08:20] <matthias> ah
[08:20] <hatta> but they're picky
[08:20] <matthias> ill take a look
[08:21] <dasickis> matthias: are you a teacher at NEU?
[08:21] <matthias> i want to make a sort of information center filled with rescources to program a game
[08:21] <matthias> Ah no
[08:21] <matthias> NEU???
[08:21] <dasickis> matthias: just wondering because I had a teacher last year with the same exact name
[08:21] <matthias> cool
[08:21] <dasickis> matthias: northeastern university
[08:21] <matthias> i guss
[08:21] <dasickis> matthias: sorry about that but it was kinda crazy since it seems like an original name
[08:22] <matthias> i love linux and i want to help make it great
[08:22] <adydas_> matthias helping me move house will help make it great :p
[08:22] <pc_> is it possible to mount a windows drive?
[08:23] <adydas_> !ntfs
[08:23] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:23] <dasickis> yeah
[08:23] <fenrig> pc_ yes it is
[08:23] <adydas_> !ntfs-3g | pc_
[08:23] <ubotu> pc_: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:23] <fenrig> what do u mean with matthias helping me move house will help make it great :p
[08:23] <pc_> ty all
[08:23] <adydas_> fenrig: it means i dont want to move house, and if he does it for me he will be making linux great :p
[08:24] <fenrig> move house
[08:24] <fenrig> move linux?
[08:24] <adydas_> dont worry
[08:24] <fenrig> but im asking
[08:24] <dell190_> i am really starting to like linux ALOT
[08:24] <fenrig> for a server
[08:25] <fenrig> me too
[08:25] <adydas_> you dont need to
[08:25] <fenrig> why not?
[08:25] <adydas_> it was a jokey type comment
[08:25] <adydas_> means nothing
[08:25] <dasickis> its great but its still behind in simple applications (e.g. voice support in IM)
[08:25] <dasickis> especially since google released libjingle
[08:26] <fenrig> but can somebody help me
[08:26] <fenrig> linux is great
[08:26] <fenrig> only the gaming isnt
[08:26] <adydas_> help you want
[08:26] <adydas_> what
[08:26] <fenrig> and thats a little ashame
[08:26] <fenrig> i want a piece of server
[08:26] <adydas_> fenrig: best game ever, pingus :P
[08:26] <dell190_> i have had linux for like 3 days... and also the people in here are really helpful :D
[08:26] <adydas_> you want a piece of server?
[08:26] <hatta> sorry, the best game ever is nethack
[08:27] <fenrig> i mean to put on a website
[08:27] <adydas_> you want a webhost fenrig?
[08:27] <skreech> How do I check which Xdrivers I have installed?
[08:27] <fenrig> and i want to drag windowsxlive into this project
[08:27] <fenrig> yeah a webhost but not a bad one
[08:28] <fenrig> like i said i want to build things so that linux gaming developers can search info on that site
[08:28] <adydas_> you from america
[08:28] <fenrig> no
[08:28] <fenrig> Belgium
[08:28] <hatta> I love your waffles
[08:28] <dell190_> anyone know any Dial-up accelerators for linux ???
[08:28] <adydas_> just search the internet got VPS
[08:28] <fenrig> hahaha
[08:29] <dell190_> lol
[08:29] <adydas_> for VPS even, sounds like what your after
[08:29] <fenrig> if somebody can help me out here
[08:29] <fenrig> i would really appreciate it
[08:29] <adydas_> fenrig: google for VPS ( Virtual private Server ), it sounds like what your wanting
[08:29] <fenrig> im a hardcore gamer
[08:29] <fenrig> who wants games like prince of persia made for linux
[08:29] <fenrig> no wine or cedega
[08:29] <fenrig> i love linux
[08:30] <fenrig> so please help me out
[08:30] <adydas_> Ok i feel like im talking to a dead raccoon
[08:30] <adydas_> i just helped you
[08:30] <adydas_> if its no help, your question needs another try
[08:30] <c0nv1ct> fenrig: what exactly are you trying to do?
[08:30] <adydas_> c0nv1ct: Good luck, it sounds like he wants a server a VM or VPS
[08:30] <adydas_> so he can host some website to make linux gaming the shizzle
[08:30] <fenrig> i want games like for example world of warcraft for linux but then native
[08:31] <fenrig> i want to lure windows game developers to linux
[08:31] <adydas_> But what do you want from us?
[08:31] <c0nv1ct> exactly, what do you need help with
[08:31] <fenrig> actually too much
[08:31] <fenrig> i want that all game developers put info on that server
[08:31] <fenrig> and i need a little server
[08:32] <dell190_> i hghly doubt that you are gonna get windows developers to go to linux, when soooo many people are still on windows
[08:32] <fenrig> no
[08:32] <c0nv1ct> windows is where the $ is, its all about market share
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[08:32] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:32] <skreech> Admiral_Chicago: I'm on topic. Help me!
[08:32] <fenrig> no developers are changing
[08:33] <fenrig> look to Unreal Tournament 2004
[08:33] <skreech> c0nv1ct: Like IE6?
[08:33] <fenrig> neverwinternights
[08:33] <pc_> i just installed ubuntu last night, is "fuse" already installed?
[08:33] <c0nv1ct> skreech: huh?
[08:33] <skreech> c0nv1ct: All about Market share?
[08:33] <fenrig> i want people to make professional games for linux
[08:33] <skreech> then IE7 breaks the ie6 compatible sites
[08:33] <c0nv1ct> skreech: yes, microsoft has the largest market share
[08:34] <skreech> Yeah quality means nothing :-P
[08:34] <fenrig> and it doesnt have to be opensource
[08:34] <jhutchins> fenrig: And give them to you for free no doubt.
[08:34] <fenrig> no
[08:34] <fenrig> ill buy them
[08:34] <fenrig> i dont want anything
[08:34] <fenrig> only games that i can native use on my linux box
[08:34] <fenrig> not free
[08:34] <fenrig> ill buy
[08:35] <fenrig> ill pay for it
[08:35] <pc_> is "fuse" part of ubuntu?
[08:35] <jhutchins> fenrig: http://linuxgaming.org
[08:35] <jhutchins> !find fuse
[08:35] <ubotu> Found: fuse-utils, libfuse-dev, libfuse2, fuse-source, fusecram (and 14 others)
[08:35] <fenrig> no thats not the same
[08:35] <pc_> k, thanks for answering my silly questions....
[08:36] <fenrig> i want to collect all information about developing a game on LINUX
[08:36] <fenrig> linux is great
[08:36] <c0nv1ct> google would be the best place to start :)
[08:36] <fenrig> i love it
[08:36] <fenrig> i only just want too game professional
[08:36] <fenrig> i even
[08:36] <Malph> try linuxgames.com
[08:36] <fenrig> removed my windows box completly
[08:37] <fenrig> to show my dedication
[08:37] <fenrig> i promote linux
[08:37] <fenrig> im just a boy of 16
[08:37] <fenrig> i even got my school that far to let me install a linux box on a computer to demonstrate the power of linux
[08:37] <fenrig> im dedicated
[08:38] <skreech> fenrig: try #gametome
[08:38] <ubuntu__> Why do all flavors of ubuntu hate me?
[08:38] <hatta> because you stole their name
[08:38] <hatta> that's better
[08:38] <adydas_> hah
[08:38] <hyper_ch> iamsam9895: hmmm.... why did you do to all flavours ? *smile*
[08:39] <iamsam9895> Does ubuntu even support a 200GB HD?
[08:39] <dell190_> Why dont you start writing games for linux
[08:39] <iamsam9895> I get grub errors
[08:39] <c0nv1ct> mine is installed on a 500gb HD
[08:39] <iamsam9895> Fun.
[08:39] <adydas_> yeah 320gb here
[08:39] <raven3x7> pc yeah but ubuntu's kernel is a bit old. dunno if they backported the latest module. you might need to mannually install it
[08:39] <iamsam9895> No grub errors at al?
[08:39] <hyper_ch> iamsam9895: got a 320, a 500, a 160 and 120gb drive
[08:39] <c0nv1ct> nope
[08:39] <iamsam9895> I have a old live CD right now.
[08:39] <hyper_ch> 2x IDE, 2x SATA
[08:39] <fenrig> Me
[08:39] <raven3x7> !fuse | pc_
[08:39] <ubotu> pc_: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:40] <fenrig> the problem is i dont know how on linux
[08:40] <raven3x7> !ntfs-3g | pc_
[08:40] <ubotu> pc_: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:40] <fenrig> there are some things i dont understand
[08:40] <fenrig> im java
[08:40] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: what errors are you getting?
[08:41] <fenrig> and im gonna try to learn c++
[08:41] <iamsam9895> Mostly grub 18
[08:41] <fenrig> but i love linux
[08:41] <dasickis> fenrig: what dont you understand?
[08:41] <fenrig> and thats why i want all info on one site
[08:41] <skreech> !via
[08:41] <iamsam9895> My install of linux onto my ipod was easier than this :P
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about via - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <dell190_> companies are in it for Money, not cross platform support... they are going to make the games where the most money is
[08:41] <adydas_> iamsam9895: could you do everything on your ipod you can on this
[08:42] <fenrig> well why not linux and windows
[08:42] <iamsam9895> Hell no.
[08:42] <adydas_> beacuse they dont consider linux to be a money maker
[08:42] <hyper_ch> fenrig: different architecture between linux and windows
[08:42] <c0nv1ct> fenrig: because of DirectX
[08:42] <fenrig> fuck directx
[08:42] <tarnold> hello- what is the best graphical solution to reading and writing to an iPod?
[08:42] <adydas_> 20 sales vs 200,000 sales kinda thing
[08:42] <skreech> !language | fenrig
[08:42] <ubotu> fenrig: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:42] <hyper_ch> hence why make a game to run under linux when I can concentrate on making it for windows where 90%+ of all gamers are
[08:42] <fenrig> sorry
[08:42] <iamsam9895> tarnold, A computer.
[08:42] <iamsam9895> Heh.
[08:42] <tarnold> ah hah
[08:42] <hyper_ch> it's economical thinking
[08:43] <jhutchins> tarnold: Reading is difficult by design, amarok is good for writing.
[08:43] <fenrig> because 30 percent of that have dual boot
[08:43] <dell190_> cause mac and windows are the more dominates operating systems
[08:43] <walter> Hi ouens, I wanna start writing applications for kde. Any idea how I can start?
[08:43] <skreech> hyper_ch: Because you have a wider market in terms of competition
[08:43] <fenrig> or considerd to change
[08:43] <fenrig> why try to change my mind about this
[08:43] <LL_Hakaisou> !lib32
[08:43] <raven3x7> fenrig, it takes a lot of resources to gt something to run on both linux and windows and companies wont bother until linux gets critical mass.
[08:43] <dasickis> dell190_: well isn't the goal of Ubuntu to start gaining some substantial marketshare
[08:43] <fenrig> i could a least try, cant i?
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lib32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <hyper_ch> you normally can't just make one game for linux
[08:43] <dasickis> ?
[08:43] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: that error means your BIOS doesnt support booting to the location you installed /boot
[08:43] <hyper_ch> think of all the different architectures alone under linux
[08:43] <adydas_> fenrig:  i think your trying to pi55 into the wind here
[08:43] <tarnold> jhutchins: some one mentioned gtkpod- what if i have Kde? isn't GTK gnome?
[08:44] <skreech> hyper_ch: Id and epic do it for all the games they make
[08:44] <dasickis> well fenrig is on the right path
[08:44] <iamsam9895> c0nv1ct: Any idea how to resolve this?
[08:44] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: make sure when you install Ubuntu to put a separate partition for /boot at the very beginning of the drive
[08:44] <fenrig> i want
[08:44] <dasickis> someone has to start coding
[08:44] <iamsam9895> Ok
[08:44] <fenrig> to change win users
[08:44] <dasickis> we can't all be like someone else is going to do it
[08:44] <raven3x7> walter, why not try contacting kde ppl/
[08:44] <adydas_> do that first the games will follow i feel
[08:44] <dasickis> because everyone wants someone else
[08:44] <raven3x7> ?
[08:44] <hyper_ch> skreech: might be true but there's no economic value in doing it nowadays
[08:44] <iamsam9895> Thanks so much.  I'll probably be back soon, hopefull not running off this live CD
[08:44] <fenrig> i dont get it
[08:44] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: /boot only needs to be a few hundred MB, if that
[08:45] <dell190_> dasickis:  yes, but until that happens, people arn't gonna invest the money in things that are not going to sell big
[08:45] <fenrig> i thought u guys were linux users
[08:45] <dasickis> dell190_: true
[08:45] <walter> raven3x7, any direction?
[08:45] <fenrig> not windows users
[08:45] <dasickis> dell190_: but there needs to be a grassroots development
[08:45] <iamsam9895> 300MB good?
[08:45] <c0nv1ct> plenty
[08:45] <dasickis> dell190_: so that more ppl start converting
[08:45] <skreech> hyper_ch: Once you undestand Linux coding it's easy to drop it in and it makes you instantly have a new market where you are basically unchallenged
[08:45] <iamsam9895> What is a good swap size?
[08:45] <fenrig> i cant understand u guys
[08:45] <raven3x7> walter, dunno try #kde-dev maybe?
[08:45] <c0nv1ct> my /boot uses 20mb right now
[08:45] <fenrig> i really cant
[08:45] <dasickis> dell190_: another reason companies don't want to do it because linux isn't standardized
[08:45] <skreech> gnomefreak: Any good with X ?
[08:45] <fenrig> let me try
[08:45] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: depends on how much RAM u have
[08:45] <parkerw207> can you get linux for handheld devices ?
[08:46] <dasickis> dell190_: some ppl dont want any proprietary software at all on linux
[08:46] <fenrig> yes PSP
[08:46] <iamsam9895> about 750
[08:46] <iamsam9895> MB of ram
[08:46] <dasickis> but others do
[08:46] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: make it 1.5gb swap
[08:46] <fenrig> what
[08:46] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: or an even 2gb, if ya want
[08:46] <gnomefreak> skreech: kind of
[08:46] <hyper_ch> skreech: making a modern game costs a large sum of money and you dont know if it will succeed or be a failure... hence there's no econimic incentive to also make it availble in linux... under one or more architecture... it just adds a lot of momentum to the rist of being a failure...
[08:46] <raven3x7> walter, sorry doesnt seem to exis. maybe tyou could ask at one of the mailing lista at kde.org
[08:46] <skreech> gnomefreak: Have 10 minutes?
[08:46] <dasickis> but then some ppl want the full source yet others don't care so linux has to deal with these issues before it gets the mass
[08:46] <dell190_> dasickis: thats also a good point, maybe eventually Linux will overrun windows... anything is possible
[08:47] <gnomefreak> skreech: yep
[08:47] <iamsam9895> Yeah, I'll go for 2gb, I'll stick in the room until I have all of it set up.
[08:47] <fenrig> why wait
[08:47] <skreech> hyper_ch: Not when you are getting your engine from id or epic and it supports it natively
[08:47] <dasickis> dell190_: yeah it'll be a while before that happens
[08:47] <fenrig> i want to help linux get known
[08:47] <skreech> gnomefreak: Ok I'm getting a no screens found error
[08:47] <fenrig> into the whole world
[08:47] <walter> raven, thanks ill try.
[08:47] <fenrig> most users dont know what linux is
[08:47] <dasickis> dell190_: linux needs to get serious with certain things and help developers/companies make money
[08:47] <gnomefreak> skreech: what driver?
[08:47] <raven3x7> parkerw207, well there are linux smartphones
[08:47] <hyper_ch> skreech: so what games can you make with those engines?
[08:47] <Skrot> Hi, is there a good way to synchronize two computers (e.g a laptop and a workstation)?
[08:48] <walter> raven, connection very slow now, gonna give it a try tomm. tx
[08:48] <dasickis> Skrot: what do you mean?
[08:48] <skreech> gnomefreak: as some background I've put my hard drive in a new computer and done a chroot into it
[08:48] <iamsam9895> Help linux get known?  I handed out ubuntu cd's to about half my school.
[08:48] <iamsam9895> Heh.
[08:48] <skreech> gnomefreak: via
[08:48] <hyper_ch> !rsync | skrot
[08:48] <dell190_> Fenrig: if you want alot of people to go to linux... you could always try standing outside with a loud bell and yess it out... just a suggestion
[08:48] <ubotu> skrot: rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.8-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 237 kB, installed size 472 kB
[08:48] <raven3x7> walter its #kde-devel
[08:48] <gnomefreak> skreech: edgy?
[08:48] <Skrot> dasickis: Syncronize the home directories so they're "the same", not rsycn ;)
[08:48] <Skrot> rsync*
[08:48] <skreech> hyper_ch: Look at the mods for Ut and you tell me :)
[08:48] <dasickis> ooo
[08:48] <skreech> gnomefreak: the chroot is
[08:48] <gnomefreak> skreech: are you using the -d flag?
[08:48] <skreech> gnomefreak: sorry?
[08:48] <hyper_ch> skreech: an ego shooter... that's just one sort of game...
[08:48] <gnomefreak> skreech: example dchroot -c edgy -d
[08:48] <skreech> startx -d ?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> skreech: or if just one dchroot -d
[08:49] <skreech> gnomefreak: chroot -c edgy -d ?
[08:49] <fenrig> man
[08:49] <skreech> no I'm Not
[08:49] <fenrig> please
[08:49] <gnomefreak> skreech: how are you starting your chroot?
[08:49] <Skrot> hyper_ch, dasickis: Or lets say I want to have the (exact) same user on two computers. Same $home-directory and everything
[08:49] <skreech> sudo chroot <path>
[08:49] <gnomefreak> skreech: sudo /var/chroot/?
[08:49] <hyper_ch> Skrot: rsync synchronizes
[08:49] <gnomefreak> lol
[08:49] <skreech> hyper_ch: no look at the mods
[08:49] <fenrig> i dont really get it
[08:49] <gnomefreak> skreech: if i were you i would set it up like the wiki says to with dchroot :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> !chroot
[08:49] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[08:49] <skreech>  Driving games. Platformers. Strategy games. Flight games
[08:50] <fenrig> why dont u guys want to help
[08:50] <gnomefreak> skreech: you need the -d flag to use X
[08:50] <skreech> Ahhh!
[08:50] <skreech> gnomefreak: sweet :)
[08:50] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:50] <hyper_ch> skreech: you are limited to one genre with that...  its a beginning but there isn't enough incentive to consider this a broad range of games
[08:50] <fenrig> linux can only get mature if the users and developers do what they believe is right
[08:50] <raven3x7> fenrig we're here arent we? that means we are trying to help.
[08:51] <fenrig> raven3x7 i know that
[08:51] <dell190_> Fenrig: the people here cannot force big companies to make Linux games
[08:51] <fenrig> i believe what i do is the right thing to do
[08:51] <dasickis> Skrot: you could have a network drive and then have both the home drives link to that
[08:51] <skreech> hyper_ch: Look up at the list of genre types I've lited
[08:51] <skreech> Listed
[08:51] <fenrig> we can force
[08:51] <hyper_ch> first of all dekstop/office computers will need to be transformed into linux before there will be games
[08:51] <skreech> gnomefreak: -d unrecognized option :(
[08:51] <dasickis> Skrot: but for synchronization I think rsync is the best
[08:51] <Skrot> okay
[08:51] <iamsam9895> I could use some help setting up partitions, can anybody help?
[08:52] <gnomefreak> skreech: set up dchroot
[08:52] <fenrig> what
[08:52] <gnomefreak> its a handy little app :)
[08:52] <raven3x7> fenrig, what exaclty is your point? i dont get it. if you learn a bit of c++ and then contact oe of the many open source games put there
[08:52] <fenrig> thats not my purpose
[08:52] <fenrig> maybe there are developers that want to make games
[08:52] <fenrig> but dont know how
[08:53] <dell190_> fenrig: face it.. untill there are more linux computers in the world than windows 90%+ software will be developed for windows and/or Mac
[08:53] <hyper_ch> !metaquestion | iamsam9895
[08:53] <ubotu> iamsam9895: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:53] <fenrig> believe me i tried to make a game
[08:53] <iamsam9895> What partition type should my boot be?
[08:53] <skreech> hyper_ch: :-)
[08:53] <hyper_ch> iamsam9895: if you don't know what you do, then use ext3
[08:53] <raven3x7> fenrig you need to understand multibillion corporations dont listen to ppl they  listen to market statistics and economics
[08:53] <fenrig> dont u guys see what im trying to do
[08:53] <fenrig> yeah but
[08:54] <iamsam9895> Should it be primary or extended?
[08:54] <errhec> hi how can I check the CPU temperature from terminal?
[08:54] <fenrig> how do u guys ever believe linux can get great without any descent game on it
[08:54] <fenrig> there are games
[08:54] <Malph> I remember hearing that you should avoid using ext3 for boot partitions and should use ext2
[08:54] <fenrig> but not that good
[08:55] <Malph> because a computer is more than an ovelry priced game system
[08:55] <raven3x7> hmm it wont get to the mass market but what linux really needs to do is get into education. that is the only way it will get adopted more
[08:55] <hyper_ch> iamsam9895: doesn't really matte.r. you can only have 4 primary partitions... so if you have no good reason to make it a primary then make it an extended
[08:55] <eigentard> I have to install linux for astro research :X
[08:55] <raven3x7> fenrig, ^^
[08:55] <eigentard> raven3x7: linux and unix are already in education
[08:55] <eigentard> any decent university at least
[08:56] <skreech> fenrig: have you joined #gametoem?
[08:56] <hyper_ch> eigentard: I would call my university a decent one but only very few servers are running linux
[08:56] <skreech> #gametome ?
[08:56] <fenrig> skreech i did
[08:56] <fenrig> gaming is a important part
[08:56] <hyper_ch> Probably all of them belong to the student union as they don't have to pay royalities that way...
[08:57] <raven3x7> eigentard, i meant even more. and it also needs to get into education outside of europe. and i dont mean just universities but also elementary schools and high schools
[08:57] <hyper_ch> fenrig: no, gaming is overrated in this...
[08:57] <skreech> fenrig: What's the definition you have for a god game?
[08:57] <skreech> Good game?
[08:57] <fenrig> God of war
[08:57] <fenrig> for example
[08:57] <hyper_ch> fenrig: as long as most businesses and companies use windows and windows applications then people will also use that at home...
[08:58] <fenrig> yeah but i know people who use linux but returned to windows
[08:58] <fenrig> just because of the lack of games
[08:58] <raven3x7> fenrig i find some really good games run nativly in linux. Quake Doom NWN.
[08:58] <hyper_ch> freeciv :)
[08:58] <fenrig> yeah they are great
[08:58] <skreech> !games
[08:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[08:58] <fenrig> but thats not enough
[08:59] <hyper_ch> fenrig: as long as not a lot more people use linux there won't be much more games for linux
[08:59] <raven3x7> fenrig and then theres also games like Sauerbraten Nexuiz westnoth to mention a few that are open source and quite good as well
[08:59] <fenrig> but if there arent more games for linux not a lot of people would want to use linux
[08:59] <fenrig> yeah
[08:59] <hyper_ch> fenrig: no, I don't think so
[09:00] <errhec> hi is anybody knov how to see the temperature cpu in terminal? Thank you
[09:00] <hyper_ch> as long as in companies and government mainly windows is being used, people will be "trained" to use windows...
[09:00] <dell190_> fenrig:  you could always dual boot windows and linux, use windows for gaming and linux for everything else
[09:00] <raven3x7> fenrig, not everyone plays games and even less ppl use a pc to play games these days
[09:00] <fenrig> dell190_
[09:00] <fenrig> thats not what i mean
[09:00] <fenrig> i game
[09:01] <hyper_ch> !temperature
[09:01] <fenrig> but im dedicated to linux
[09:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about temperature - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:01] <hyper_ch> !cpu
[09:01] <fenrig> everyone who supports my idea
[09:01] <ubotu> cpu: a console based LDAP user management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-8 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 432 kB
[09:01] <skreech> gnomefreak: Ping
[09:01] <fenrig> can mail me to maregt0@telenet.be
[09:01] <eigentard> How do I change the resolution/refresh rate on the 6.10 LiveCD?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> skreech: ?
[09:01] <skreech> The page looks like it's installing a new setup
[09:02] <raven3x7> fenrig i do too but that wont change the fact that companies will only port when they have a lot to get out of it
[09:02] <skreech> gnomefreak: I have all my stuff on a drive. I just don't have a computer
[09:02] <fenrig> everybody who supports my idea can mail me to maregt0@telenet.be
[09:02] <gnomefreak> skreech: just install dchroot and change the config file and set up as you with with the latter part of the page
[09:02] <fenrig> so i can try to change a little
[09:02] <xholicka> hello people! whats up?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> you dont need to run sudo dbootstrap...... again
[09:03] <hyper_ch> fenrig: make it clear to businesses that they can profit from linux... lower costs of maintenance, no royalities anymore, better security and stability...
[09:03] <skreech> gnomefreak: ok
[09:03] <fenrig> please spread this idea and ask peoples opinion of it
[09:03] <skreech> gnomefreak: so just mount my drive to the designated folder?
[09:03] <fenrig> and everybody who supports my idea can mail me to maregt0@telenet.be
[09:03] <skreech> fenrig: hang out in #gametome :)
[09:03] <fenrig> hyper_ch
[09:03] <hyper_ch> fenrig: and if you can provide them with according support contracts then they will change... once they do, the home owners will also
[09:03] <fenrig> il do that
[09:03] <raven3x7> fenrig you do realise you are preaching to the converted right?
[09:03] <skreech> fenrig: I'm not in there now but I have plans for world domination as well
[09:03] <skreech> fenrig: ubuntu has a games team I'm told
[09:04] <hyper_ch> fenrig: and then you will have enough momentum for making games worthwile to prot to linux
[09:04] <skreech> raven3x7: He wants a militant converted
[09:04] <kubuntu> hi
[09:04] <NightBird> question.... what's the point of blocking outgoing connections?
[09:04] <NightBird> for the firewall
[09:05] <gnomefreak> skreech: sudo apt-get install dchroot thansudo editor /etc/dchroot.conf and add the line below it (mychroot /var/chroot/ or whatever path) than skip down to the  sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /var/chroot/etc/resolv.conf part and continue with instructions
[09:05] <NightBird> I mean, I can understand droping incoming connections...
[09:05] <fenrig> im
[09:05] <raven3x7> skreech, lets all pick up our automatic rifles and tart a guerrilla war :p
[09:05] <fenrig> just a user with a maybe impossible dream
[09:05] <fenrig> but i thought about this idea a long time
[09:05] <skreech> gnomefreak: Cool
[09:05] <BluesKaj> so malware can't phone home and invite more malware to infect your pc
[09:06] <fenrig> and i chose to
[09:06] <skreech> BluesKaj: Sounds like WGA on Vista :)
[09:06] <fenrig> fufile my dream
[09:06] <raven3x7> blue, huh?
[09:07] <BluesKaj> well skreech, still have a hard time ridding my gatesian thought process :)
[09:07] <raven3x7> BluesKaj, what malware?
[09:07] <fenrig> i
[09:07] <fenrig> just want to contribute
[09:07] <fenrig> on my way
[09:08] <fenrig> please email me if u support my idea to maregt0@telenet.be
[09:08] <hyper_ch> fenrig: it's not futile but just don't expect it to happen from today to tomorrow
[09:08] <cacg> hi
[09:08] <cacg> bye good!
[09:09] <fenrig> no i know it takes some time
[09:09] <fenrig> but i would do it gladly if i know im supported by the linux users/developers
[09:09] <fenrig> aka u guys
[09:09] <eigentard> uh oh
[09:10] <eigentard> I just accidentally unmounted all my harddrives
[09:10] <eigentard> did I lose all my data? :X
[09:10] <Joshooa> What instant messaging client does everyone use?
[09:10] <eigentard> I'm dual booting it
[09:10] <Cugel> fenrig: what do you think is a decent game?
[09:10] <hyper_ch> fenrig: sure we love games for linux
[09:10] <hyper_ch> Joshooa: skype, kopete and amsn
[09:10] <skreech> eigentard: no
[09:10] <skreech> !im
[09:10] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[09:10] <eigentard> skreech: How should I remount my windows-hard drives?
[09:10] <fenrig> a descent game for me is
[09:11] <fenrig> for example unreal tournament 2004
[09:11] <Joshooa> hyper_ch: Why so many? And isn't Skype just VoIP?
[09:11] <eigentard> should they be /media/sda1 ?  or should I make it blank?
[09:11] <fydo> wha?
[09:11] <fydo> ut2k4 is nothing like descent
[09:11] <fenrig> i think it is
[09:11] <fydo> except that they are 3d and first person
[09:11] <Cugel> He means 'decent'.
[09:11] <fenrig> okay
[09:11] <fenrig> euhm
[09:11] <hyper_ch> Joshooa: hmmm, amsn for the webcam, skype for voip, and kopete for icq/yahoo
[09:11] <skreech> !ntfs | eigentard
[09:11] <ubotu> eigentard: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:11] <fenrig> u guys know prince of persia two thrones??
[09:12] <Cugel> fenrig: I agree with you to some extent -- basically there are too few games available both on Windows and linux. Far too few.
[09:12] <Joshooa> fenrig: Yes
[09:12] <fenrig> thank u
[09:12] <eigentard> ubotu: I don't need to see them from linux, I just want to make sure that I don't format them while I'm installing it :X
[09:12] <fenrig> but please email me at maregt0@telenet.be
[09:12] <fenrig> and tell me ur idea
[09:12] <Joshooa> I love all the PoP games, they are cool, and UT is cool too, both good series
[09:12] <skreech> gnomefreak: I take the .conf file doesn't like spaces?
[09:12] <raven3x7> eigentard, sudo mount -a
[09:12] <Cugel> But: opinion is divided whether Linux _should_ have 'better' support. It's not a gaming platform, I think.
[09:13] <gnomefreak> skreech: sure it does
[09:13] <raven3x7> eigentard, unless you deleted your fstab
[09:13] <skreech> gnomefreak: It's spitting at me then
[09:13] <skreech> invalid input line
[09:13] <fenrig> PoP is one of the best games
[09:13] <gnomefreak> skreech: just open it (should be empty) than no space at start so it would be like |nameofchroot /var/chroot
[09:13] <fydo> Cugel: it would that epic and id software would disagree with you
[09:13] <Joshooa> fenrig: Do you like the Sands Of Time, Warrior Within, or Two Thrones the most?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> or whatever path it is
[09:14] <hyper_ch> noting beats Worms :)
[09:14] <fydo> it would seem*
[09:14] <raven3x7> Cugel, yeah its a movingtarget and that mekes it hard to develop closed source apps for it in general
[09:14] <gnomefreak> should only have one space in it
[09:14] <skreech> gnomefreak: The line reads mychroot "/home/vtiger/Desktop/untitled folder'
[09:14] <fenrig> all of them
[09:14] <skreech> hyper_ch: tried wormux?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> skreech: no make untitled folder untitled_folder
[09:14] <fenrig> but two thrones is a little better
[09:14] <gnomefreak> and change the name of the folder too
[09:14] <fenrig> there all good games
[09:15] <skreech> gnomefreak: ok I'll have to log off here
[09:15] <hyper_ch> skreech: nope... I had worms (the original one and before that scorched earth) on dos/windows
[09:15] <hyper_ch> skreech: then worms 2
[09:15] <hyper_ch> and then worms armageddon on PS1
[09:15] <gnomefreak> skreech: i used /var/chroot/edgy as mine
[09:15] <skreech> hyper_ch: try Wormux :)
[09:15] <gnomefreak> and dapper adn feisty
[09:15] <raven3x7> Worm rules
[09:15] <hyper_ch> skreech:
[09:15] <raven3x7> worms
[09:15] <skreech> gnomefreak: ok I'm logging out here
[09:15] <hyper_ch> skreech: it's more fun to play it on the ps1 :)
[09:15] <skreech> hyper_ch: No doubt
[09:16] <hyper_ch> skreech: have some beer, popcorn, 1-3 friends
[09:16] <hyper_ch> :)
[09:16] <fenrig> please if u share my opinion email me at maregt0@telenet.be
[09:19] <kimmern> Hey! I've got a new laptop with 2gb intel centrino duo, and 512mb nvidia geforce..my question is why minimize and maximize animations on windows arn't running smoothly? I have the newest nvidia drivers, and my laptop should be good enough to make this animations run smooth..any tips for us nvidia users?
[09:20] <hyper_ch> kimmern: "on windows"???
[09:20] <Cugel> Has anyone experience running Second Life on KDE?
[09:20] <fenrig> so euhm
[09:20] <fenrig> i want to spread my idea
[09:20] <kimmern> hyper_ch: like the firefox windows, and konqueror window..etc..
[09:21] <hyper_ch> ah
[09:21] <Cugel> fenrig: why do we need to mail you? Are you collecting signatures?
[09:21] <hyper_ch> kimmern: open a command shell and enter   "glxgears"
[09:21] <fenrig> euhm
[09:21] <fenrig> i want to know
[09:21] <kimmern> hyper_ch: works fine, and dri is enabled..
[09:21] <BluesKaj> is there a second life...where do i sign up ? :)
[09:21] <fenrig> that there are people who share my opinoin
[09:22] <fenrig> so that i really know i can make it and not to wind up alone
[09:22] <BluesKaj> what are you talking about fenrig ?
[09:22] <fenrig> i want to know
[09:22] <fydo> fenrig: you can't get peoples opinions over irc?
[09:23] <Cugel> Well, it's more that many people know and understand your opinion, but it's not a high priority thing to 'fix', since there is nothing to fix really.
[09:23] <fenrig> if people share my opinion
[09:23] <fenrig> because i need some people to contribute information on it
[09:23] <fydo> you could save everyone a lot of effort, just cut and paste from this window into your email program :)
[09:23] <fenrig> about developing linux games
[09:23] <hyper_ch> kimmern: hmm, let a terminal open with "top" and see what is making it lag so much
[09:23] <jusama14> hey
[09:24] <vtiger> gnomefreak: Still not working
[09:24] <jusama14> my school computer has kubuntu installed but i do not understand how to install kplayer on it
[09:24] <henrik_> Hi, I installed kubuntu a few days ago (the newest version edgy or something) and I have a problem... about half the times I watch a movie in vlc about 10 minutes into the movie the computer freezes, I can still hear sound but the screen is frozen and keyboard and mouse doesn't work I have to restart the computer with the reset button. Does anyone know of this problem or where i can look to find some kind of error message ?
[09:24] <jusama14> any help?
[09:24] <fenrig> what do u mean fydo?
[09:24] <kubuntu> ei
[09:24] <kubuntu> ima li   balgari tuka
[09:24] <kubuntu> ?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> vtiger: and you are?
[09:24] <vtiger> gnomefreak: skreech
[09:24] <vtiger> chroot
[09:24] <c0nv1ct> henrik_: its probably ACPI power managemnt
[09:24] <vtiger> still throwing the error
[09:24] <gnomefreak> vtiger: how are you running it?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> oh the file
[09:24] <vtiger> dchroot -c mychroot -d
[09:25] <BluesKaj> henrik , have you tried other players like kaffeine ?
[09:25] <kubuntu> spreshen  zi bulgerish
[09:25] <fydo> fenrig: i mean you can get our opinions over irc just fine, why do we need to email you?
[09:25] <kubuntu> ?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> vtiger: try dchroot -d
[09:25] <kubuntu> d
[09:25] <gnomefreak> vtiger: did you finish the page out for most part?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> kubuntu: please dont spam in here
[09:25] <vtiger> the line from the file is mychroot /home/vtiger/Desktop/untitled_folder
[09:26] <vtiger> gnomefreak: I think so
[09:26] <henrik_> c0nv1ct power management.. shouldn't i be able to get out of that with hte keyboard :) anyway thanks i will try to change the settings
[09:26] <vtiger> Anything that said something about installing into the chroot I ignored
[09:26] <c0nv1ct> henrik_: you should, but if theres a compatability problem, it could crash
[09:26] <Joshooa> Hmm Gaim seems to be better than Kopete
[09:26] <gnomefreak> vtiger: did you add the paths to etc/fstab?
[09:26] <gnomefreak> and sudo mount -a
[09:26] <fdoving> !bg | kubuntu
[09:26] <ubotu> kubuntu:  #ubuntu-bg    . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[09:26] <henrik_> BluesKaj no i havne't tried that one, i went for vlc right away
[09:27] <vtiger> gnomefreak: Ummm
[09:27] <jusama14> anyone know how to solve my problem?
[09:27] <fenrig> i have the idea that im not really supported
[09:27] <vtiger> noooo
[09:27] <BluesKaj> vlc has some problems in kubuntu
[09:27] <fdoving> fenrig: i belive you're in the wrong place. this is mainly a kubuntu support channel.
[09:27] <gnomefreak> vtiger: finish the complete page. stop at options
[09:27] <vtiger> gnomefreak: Isn't that a little more permanent?
[09:27] <c0nv1ct> henrik_: yeah, i use kaffeine, its much better in kubuntu than VLC
[09:27] <gnomefreak> everything from what i gave you down
[09:28] <vtiger> I just want this for a few days can't I mount it manually?
[09:28] <kubuntu> kajete
[09:28] <raven3x7> henrik_ BluesKaj, my suggestion is if you have to use xine use xine-ui its the most stable
[09:28] <kubuntu> skyp
[09:28] <fenrig> no im not in the wrong place
[09:28] <gnomefreak> vtiger: it will mount it automagicly after you do that once
[09:28] <kubuntu> za   kubuntu
[09:28] <kubuntu> ?
[09:28] <jusama14> kaffeine doesn't support h264 codecs
[09:28] <jusama14> when trying to open nsv streams
[09:28] <fdoving> !skype | kubuntu
[09:28] <ubotu> kubuntu: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[09:28] <henrik_> c0nv1ct is there a nice ui interface for acpi in kubuntu ?
[09:28] <fenrig> this still is a linux user channel
[09:28] <BluesKaj> I have no probs with kaffeine
[09:28] <henrik_> raven3x7 ok thanks
[09:28] <vtiger> gnomefreak: but it's mounted now :)
[09:28] <vtiger> does dchroot need the /etc/fstab entry?
[09:28] <jusama14> could someone explain how to install kplayer on kubuntu?
[09:28] <raven3x7> henrik_, just keep in mind that its ui is ugly as hell
[09:29] <Jonty> is it possible to upgrade to Fiesty, not doing a fresh install?
[09:29] <henrik_> raven3x7 hehe ok
[09:29] <vtiger> gnomefreak: and the fstab entry is making me use the /home as the /chroot/home
[09:29] <jusama14> ....
[09:29] <kimmern> hyper_ch: only beryl which uses 14% cpu, else there is nothing much interesting..
[09:30] <raven3x7> Jonty, well if you dont have many custom usupported packages, but since its still in alpha your system could break
[09:30] <vtiger> gnomefreak: the major point of this is I don't want to use the /home I already have a /chroot/home that I want to do work in
[09:30] <iamsam9895> Anybody know the connection for dalnet?
[09:30] <BK> Jonty, I think it's possible by doing a network upgrade
[09:30] <hyper_ch> kimmern: no clue... beryl runs just fine on my old computer
[09:30] <vtiger> !upgrade | Jonty
[09:30] <ubotu> Jonty: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:30] <raven3x7> Jonty, also the best place to ask would be #ubuntu+1
[09:31] <Jonty> ok
[09:31] <Jonty> hmm
[09:31] <jusama14> !help kplayer install
[09:31] <Jonty> still alpha?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> vtiger: if you have a folder /chroot/home/bleh make sure you us that in fstab and in any of the other cp commands
[09:31] <Joshooa> Why is my server in London?
[09:31] <Jonty> is it ever beta?
[09:31] <Joshooa> I'm by Seattle
[09:31] <gnomefreak> Joshooa: edgy is stable
[09:31] <gnomefreak> Jonty: edgy is stable
[09:31] <vortigaunt> Hello! Anyone have an idea why knetworkmanager stalls at 28% when i'm trying to connect to my wireless network?
[09:31] <Jonty> I know
[09:31] <gnomefreak> sorry Joshooa
[09:31] <Jonty> I've been using Edgy for ages
[09:31] <guiden> what happend to my files if i name them "..."
[09:32] <Joshooa> gnomefreak: It's okay just confused me
[09:32] <gnomefreak> Jonty: feisty is not beta yet its still alpha
[09:32] <Jonty> OK
[09:32] <raven3x7> Jonty, i think it i best to not upgrade until at least RC unless you dont mind the occasional breakage
[09:32] <raven3x7> its
[09:33] <dell190> what packages do i need to download for MP3 playback with Amarok
[09:33] <LL_Hakaisou> is there a program that can display virtual memory usage?
[09:33] <reldruh> I'm trying to build a kde4 development environment using the techbase guide, but when i try to cmakekde kdepimlibs it tells me that the installed version of kdelibs (3.5.6) is too old. I've already build kdelibs for 4.0 but I'm not sure how to get cmake aware of it. My .bashrc file is the same one from the guide as well. Can anybody help?
[09:33] <raven3x7> !mp3 | dell190
[09:33] <ubotu> dell190: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:33] <jusama14> !kplayer
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <fenrig> please take a look and vote here
[09:34] <columbia> Heh.
[09:34] <columbia> Fun
[09:34] <raven3x7> jusama14, what are you trying o do?
[09:34] <fenrig> http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=18456#18456
[09:34] <fenrig> if u can
[09:34] <gnomefreak> fenrig: join #kubuntu-offtopic for that
[09:34] <jusama14> i'm trying to figure out how to install kplayer on kubuntu
[09:34] <LL_Hakaisou> !virtual memory
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual memory - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <raven3x7> jusama14, i think it is in kde-multimedia but i could be wrong
[09:35] <vtiger> gnomefreak: chdir nosuch file or dir
[09:35] <jusama14> it only comes with kaffein
[09:35] <gnomefreak> vtiger: what is chdir?
[09:35] <jusama14> kaffeine*
[09:35] <vtiger> I'm not sure
[09:35] <raven3x7> jusama14, why dont you search for it in adept?
[09:35] <vtiger> dchroot fails with that
[09:35] <jusama14> adept? sorry totall new
[09:35] <iamsam9895> /nickserv identify snakes
[09:35] <iamsam9895> errr
[09:35] <iamsam9895> Clear that!
[09:36] <gnomefreak> iamsam9895: /msg nickserv :)
[09:36] <vtiger> gnomefreak: executing shell in 'mychroot' chroot.
[09:36] <iamsam9895> I know, i'm just messing with people.
[09:36] <iamsam9895> I wanna see how many people try to ghost me
[09:36] <gnomefreak> vtiger: without looking at the set up im not gonna be much help
[09:36] <vtiger> gnomefreak: dchroot: chdir: no such file or directory
[09:36] <raven3x7> jusama14, adept is the graphical package management tool for kubuntu. In short it helps you find and install programms
[09:36] <gnomefreak> vtiger: did you install dchroot?
[09:36] <jusama14> oh, where can i access that?
[09:36] <vtiger> Yup
[09:37] <vtiger> the command I ran was
[09:37] <vtiger> dchroot -c mychroot -d
[09:37] <raven3x7> !repos | jusama14
[09:37] <ubotu> jusama14: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:37] <iamsam9895> Well, time to see if my computer can run WITHOUT the live CD
[09:37] <vtiger> I'm rereading the page
[09:37] <raven3x7> jusama14, ^^ read that first
[09:37] <jusama14> kk
[09:37] <vtiger> gnomefreak: The error the line after that is Unknown id: vtiger
[09:38] <raven3x7> lol
[09:38] <vtiger> gnomefreak: What's the debootstrap for?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> maybe because you didnt finish the page. look at the passwd part but please follow the guide all except for the debootstrap command
[09:38] <jusama14> so this will work with kplayer?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> vtiger: that makes your chroot. installs the basic system
[09:39] <raven3x7> jusama14, adept?
[09:39] <jusama14> i mean
[09:39] <vtiger> gnomefreak: and if I don't want it to install a new basic system?
[09:39] <jusama14> i read through it..do i just add the respository it gives me on the kplayer site?
[09:39] <vtiger> gnomefreak: I added the /proc and /dev into /etc/fstab btw
[09:39] <doomnx> hi... i've got a problem with kubuntu... it doesn't shut down properly... it will either freeze or appear an "out of range" monitor message
[09:40] <gnomefreak> vtiger: skip the debootstrap command
[09:40] <vtiger> gnomefreak: right
[09:40] <raven3x7> jusama14, i havent read it really and i use amarok but if it says so its your best bet
[09:40] <vtiger> Hmm I wonder if the /etc/debian_chroot is missing
[09:41] <vtiger> It is
[09:41] <vtiger> gnomefreak: the page says echo mychroot > /etc/debian_chroot
[09:41] <jusama14> on their site it also says
[09:41] <jusama14>    apt-get update
[09:41] <jusama14>    apt-get install mplayer kplayer kplayer-doc libdvdcss w32codecs
[09:41] <vtiger> the mychroot is from the /etc/dchroot.conf?
[09:41] <jusama14> where do i enter that?
[09:42] <raven3x7> on a terminal and those commands need to begin with "sudo ..."
[09:43] <jusama14> ohk
[09:43] <vtiger> gnomefreak: do I have to be in the folder for dchroot to work?
[09:43] <joel> LL_Hakaisou: Did you find a command to display swap usage?
[09:44] <joel> LL_Hakaisou: otherwise... try "free"
[09:44] <leleobhz> someone can indicate some php ide for kde?
[09:44] <vtiger> !php
[09:44] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[09:44] <jusama14> thx
[09:44] <leleobhz> err
[09:44] <doomnx> can anyone help me with offline nvidia driver installation?
[09:44] <leleobhz> IDE!
[09:45] <raven3x7> np
[09:45] <vtiger> gnomefreak: intresting fact. If I leave out the -d option it no longer asks for chdir
[09:45] <vtiger> !ide
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <leleobhz> argh
[09:47] <raven3x7> leleobhz, Eclipe has a plugin. Quanta and Bluefish while not IDEs can be helpfull
[09:47] <raven3x7> leleobhz, Eclipse
[09:47] <gnomefreak> vtiger: true but you cant run X apps really without it
[09:47] <iamsam9895> Thank you so much c0nv1ct!
[09:48] <leleobhz> eclipse is too big to install in kubuntu
[09:48] <leleobhz> +- 130mb
[09:48] <raven3x7> iamsam9895, i hope you changed your pswd :D
[09:48] <vtiger> gnomefreak: I ran it with sudo this time
[09:48] <vtiger>  It still throws a chdir error but I'm chrooted now :)
[09:49] <gnomefreak> vtiger: if you finish the page you wont have the errors and you wont need sudo
[09:49] <c0nv1ct> iamsam9895: working fine now? :)
[09:49] <raven3x7> leleobhz, too big? well try quanta then. A full-fledged  IDE is bound to be large
[09:49] <vtiger> gnomefreak: going though
[09:49] <dell190__> how do i install the libxine-extracodecs package?
[09:50] <raven3x7> !codecs /\ dell190
[09:50] <raven3x7> !codecs | dell190
[09:50] <ubotu> dell190: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:50] <dell190__> Raven:  i read that already...
[09:50] <jusama14> oh yeah does anyone know how to install wine?
[09:50] <jusama14> on kubuntu?
[09:50] <jusama14> !wine
[09:50] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:51] <jusama14> oh nice they got a respository for it
[09:51] <raven3x7> dell190,  "sudo apt-get install package" on a terminal
[09:51] <raven3x7> jusama14, best get it from winehq.org repo
[09:51] <iamsam9895> Working Wonderfully.
[09:52] <vtiger> gnomefreak: Thanks a lot!
[09:52] <jusama14> more stable?
[09:52] <raven3x7> dell190, did that help?
[09:53] <jusama14> do they have a binary for it? so it's not such a hard installation?
[09:53] <raven3x7> jusama14, its the latest version. ubuntus repos have an older one
[09:53] <jusama14> is there anyway i can tell the repos to fetch the latest version?
[09:53] <doomnx> can anyone help me to install nvidia drivers on ubuntu offline?
[09:53] <jusama14> that way i wont have to go through the trouble installing wine in such a difficult way
[09:53] <raven3x7> jusama14, actually they have an ubuntu repo. theres instructions on their download page
[09:54] <jusama14> on wine's site?
[09:54] <raven3x7> yes
[09:54] <jusama14> oh ok thx
[09:54] <dell190__> no it didn't help :(
[09:54] <Joshooa> If I install Kubuntu on my system, I cannot later add Windows, correct?
[09:55] <Cugel> Incorrect.
[09:55] <jusama14> maybe on a separate partition?
[09:55] <slougi> you can, but it is easier to install windows first
[09:55] <Joshooa> I th ought when I installed WIndows, it would mess up the boot and ruin Grub
[09:55] <jusama14> kubuntu and ubuntu are the same right?
[09:55] <slougi> you have to reinstall grub, yes
[09:55] <Joshooa> I mean I know I CAN install, but I thought it messed things up, cause windows will try to take priority and be the only OS
[09:56] <jusama14> or almost the same
[09:56] <Cugel> jusama: yes.
[09:56] <slougi> jusama14: different default packages, otherwise the same
[09:56] <jusama14> oh ok
[09:56] <vtiger> !grub | Joshooa
[09:56] <ubotu> Joshooa: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:56] <Joshooa> I know what grub is
[09:57] <Joshooa> I'm just debating if I should install windows then Kubuntu, cause I don't want WIndows, but, just in case I do, I  m ight want it, but down the road I don't want more difficulties if I want Win for Games or something
[09:57] <NixHex> !nvidia | doomnx
[09:57] <ubotu> doomnx: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:57] <Cugel> Joshooa: You might consider Qemu or VMWare, too.
[09:57] <Cugel> !qemu
[09:57] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[09:58] <doomnx> NixHex i need to install them offline, no internet at home
[09:58] <Joshooa> Cugel: Okay, I do not know what those are.
[09:58] <Joshooa> Will read about them
[09:58] <Joshooa> Is that the virtual thing?
[09:58] <Joshooa> or, A virtual thing
[09:58] <K`zan> Joshooa: Install wincrap first, then linux as wincrap is too stupid or arrogant to recognize anything else..  Wincrap will destroy your boot sector and you'll have to fix it if you do it the other way around (not hard, just a PITA).
[09:59] <Joshooa> Also, I am talking to my friend right now, and she's on MSN, and sometimes her messages don't get th rough to me, sometimes they do, and it h appens both in Kopete and in GAIM, but has only happened today no other time, is that probably just an MSN or Internet thing, and nothing we can do about it?
[09:59] <dell190__> Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not installable
[10:00] <K`zan> Joshooa: Somtimes the net is like that :).
[10:00] <NixHex> doomnx: yes, just download nvidia-glx package and linux-restricted modules from repo, put on disc and there you go...I'll give command here in a sec
[10:00] <vortigaunt> Hello! Anyone have an idea why knetworkmanager stalls at 28% when i'm trying to connect to my wireless network? I've # everything but lo entries in /etc/network/interfaces and created a file called wpasupplicant with the entry ENABLED=0 in /etc/default
[10:00] <Joshooa> K`zan: Thanks, that's what I thought, could be done but could be avoided.  I would just rather not have windows, but I think it'd be easier for me than trying to use Wine or a Virtual install
[10:01] <K`zan> Joshooa: Wine doesn't work for much of what I occasionally need, unfortunately :-(.  I'd rather not have wincrap either, but it is an evil necessity :).
[10:01] <Joshooa> K`zan: I thought so too, but it adds more work to reinstalling and re-partitioning my HDs
[10:01] <K`zan> Joshooa: I live in linux and only boot wincrap when I have no other option (about .001 of the time :-).
[10:02] <K`zan> Joshooa: Yep, it does :-(.
[10:02] <K`zan> Joshooa: Dealing with wincrap is ALWAYS a PITA :-(.
[10:02] <Joshooa> K`zan: Well I just got Photoshop CS2 and a bunch of tutorials and a bunch of games and stuff, and I think it'd be an easier and wiser move to just leave those files in Windows, and ignore my Master 40GB drive while in Kubuntu, and have Kubuntu just use the 200 GB, as well as use it as shared NTFS between both OSs and on my netowrk
[10:03] <sebbar> reldruh: try asking in #kde or #kde4-devel
[10:03] <NixHex> doomnx: what version dapper/edgy/feisty, what?
[10:03] <K`zan> Joshooa: Essentially what I am doing here.
[10:03] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: thats a good idea, i do something similar
[10:03] <doomnx> edgy
[10:03] <doomnx> geforce 6800
[10:03] <reldruh> sebbar: I'm in those rooms right now waiting for a repsonse; I thought I'd come here and see if anybody knew
[10:04] <doomnx> u need u to tell me the exact steps because this is my first time with linux
[10:04] <K`zan> Joshooa: Except I have wincrap on the same drive.
[10:04] <doomnx> i*
[10:04] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I guess that's what I'll do then. Every time I ask for advice in here I get different answers though
[10:04] <doomnx> i only installed the OS
[10:04] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: its nice to have Windows as a fallback if you ever need it
[10:04] <doomnx> so if there any other files i need to download with that driver please let me know
[10:04] <Joshooa> K`zan: Yeah, I don't want to bother using the same drive, just Windows on the 40, and all the installation files Windows will use and Linux wont, and then Swap, Linux, and shared NTFS for Windows and Network usage on the 200GB
[10:05] <vtiger> gnomefreak: DOH!
[10:05] <vtiger> gnomefreak: figured it out
[10:05] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: but installing Windows after Ubuntu is a bit more work, its easier if ya do it the other way around
[10:05] <NixHex> doomnx: I will, but I need to know what version you and installed architecture
[10:05] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I like not having the windows Option though, cause then I HAVE to learn Linux, which I want to do, I don't want to go to Windows cause it's easier or anyything
[10:05] <K`zan> Joshooa: Good choice, I have it all on one drive and it is a worry point considering the times I have had wincrap go apeshit and eat the whole drive :-(.
[10:05] <vtiger> gnomefreak: works peachy now. Thanks
[10:05] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: just dont let yourself go into Windows unless you absolutely have to
[10:06] <doomnx> it's kubuntu 6.10 on Intel P4 3.2 (prescott) i386 i think
[10:06] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: try to do your every-day tasks in Linux, and use every possible Linux alternative to whatever you did in Windows
[10:07] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's my plan, also you should congratulate me, I got that job today, I am now a Pet Store Stockboy, woo  hoo
[10:07] <doomnx> u can talk me in pm too
[10:07] <K`zan> Joshooa: Linux is an ongoing learning experience, but it IS worth the effort.  I have replaced everything but games with linux alternatives.  Well, also the AVR Studio stuff, but that is about it.
[10:08] <doomnx> i am registered
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: lol, gratz bud... if only i could find a job
[10:08] <ferret_0567> Hello
[10:08] <reldruh> i just created a new user on my system and sudo isn't working. I try and run something with it and just a new prompt, nothing happens. Does anybody know why that would be? It still works fine for my primary user
[10:09] <c0nv1ct> K`zan: same here man, the only thing keeping Windows installed is my Logitech G25 and TrackIR4
[10:09] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: It was so easy, I checked Craigslist, sent a resume, and then in the interview, all she did was talk and talk and talk about the job, no questions really, SO easy
[10:09] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: The hardest part was leaving, cause I tried to walk out the entrance, and the door wouldn't open, and I felt like a total ass
[10:10] <K`zan> c0nv1ct: Heh, m$fs and trackir4 LOve track IR, just wish they would support linux.
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: for me, everything goes fine untill i have to fill out the part that says 'Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 10 years?'
[10:10] <ferret_0567> I am having problems with Kubuntu 6.10. I had Ubuntu 6.10 and figured I would try Kubuntu out so I installed 'kubuntu-desktop' minus the Kubuntu usplash plus a couple other programs I didn't need. I want something like network-manager-gnome for KDE. Is there anything like it?
[10:11] <reldruh> ferret_0567: the kde frontend for network-manager is knetwork-manager
[10:11] <c0nv1ct> K`zan: NaturalPoint said they would 'look into' Linux support, so whatever that means..
[10:11] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Heh heh heh, I'm okay on that, I got my felonies down to Gross Misdemeaners, but if they say, "Crime" not "Felony" I'm just like, Fuck
[10:11] <ferret_0567> oh, good. wlassistant sucks. I don't like it. wlassistant requires a root password (your password in Ubuntu).
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That and non personal references, I got like none
[10:12] <ferret_0567> And, it doesn't work well when network-manager is installed
[10:12] <ferret_0567> Thanks
[10:12] <reldruh> ferret_0567: wlassistant works much better for me than does network-manager, just as a warning
[10:12] <ferret_0567> That's because you like static IP
[10:12] <ferret_0567> That's because you like static IP's, no?
[10:13] <doomnx> NixHex thanks for ur time
[10:13] <reldruh> ferret_0567: nope, my whole network is DCHP.
[10:13] <reldruh> DHCP*
[10:13] <ferret_0567> the network-manager daemon does not even support static IP's itself.
[10:13] <NixHex> doomnx: trying to get you the website with the download link and instructions
[10:13] <doomnx> thanks a lot
[10:14] <iamsam9895> The term "Pwnage" is too capitalistic.
[10:14] <iamsam9895> We should go the commie way
[10:14] <iamsam9895> "YOUR ASS WILL BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED BASED ON NEED!"
[10:14] <K`zan> c0nv1ct: Yes, told me the same thing, but their methodology they are really paranoid about...  I need to see about getting another base for mine, cat accidentally broke one of the legs :-(.
[10:14] <ferret_0567> After I get that that knetwork-manager, could you help me with my printer? It worked in GNOME, but kde-print does not like the CUPS settings set up for it in GNOME. It's a Windows (SMB) Epson Stylus Photo 820.
[10:15] <ferret_0567> I like QTCurve, btw.
[10:16] <ferret_0567> You should all try it. Here for Kubuntu 6.10: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[10:16] <ferret_0567> It was made using checkinstall, just as a warning.
[10:16] <raven3x7> LMAO iamsam9895
[10:17] <x-factor> !kernel
[10:17] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:17] <ferret_0567> Works fine for me. I installed it while I was using KTorrent and k3b in GNOME, and it works great still after installing the rest of KDE
[10:18] <ferret_0567> One of the most compatible GTK-QT styles around
[10:19] <NixHex> doomnx: well found the list of packages you need, some are installed by default, but others are not: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/nvidia-glx
[10:19] <K3nto> i am install jubuntu on a Pentium 3 laptop with 128 MB of ram, and the install window comes up, but there's nothing inside. is there anything i can do about this?
[10:19] <doomnx> one moment
[10:19] <thor_> hello
[10:19] <NixHex> doomnx: still looking for the download
[10:19] <ferret_0567> Get more RAM. :D
[10:20] <doomnx> so i will have to download all of these
[10:20] <ferret_0567> Xubuntu is your boat.
[10:20] <thor_> you are ways
[10:20] <doomnx> are these the dependencies?
[10:20] <reldruh> I just created a new user and the sudo command doesn't seem to be working. It's fine for my primary user but when I try to run anything with sudo on my new user, all I get is a new prompt and nothing happens.
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> you have to add your new user to group sudo
[10:20] <K3nto> nuts. im install xubuntu
[10:20] <K3nto> wrong chat :P
[10:21] <doomnx> are these for both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[10:21] <reldruh> nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll try that :-)
[10:21] <doomnx> and when i click to one of these red dotted names there appear more of these related files related to the new file... :S
[10:21] <ronald> hola
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> como esta usted?
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> lol
[10:22] <excelsior> Hi people. I'd like to transfer my ubuntu on another disk, I need some advices
[10:22] <ronald> bien chevere
[10:22] <ferret_0567> Thanks for the 'knetworkmanager', reldruh
[10:22] <reldruh> ferret_0567: no problem, is it working for you?
[10:22] <ronald> soy nuevo en esto
[10:22] <ronald> qyue cagada}
[10:22] <ferret_0567> Haven't installed it yet
[10:23] <fenrig> back
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> no hablo espano muy bien... estoy un alumno
[10:23] <ronald> ok
[10:23] <ronald> where are you from?
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> US
[10:23] <easytiger> where are the default backgrounds for the kicker kept?
[10:23] <ronald> i need your help!!
[10:24] <ferret_0567> knetworkmanager is installing...
[10:24] <reldruh> easytiger: /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/kubuntu-panel.png
[10:24] <ferret_0567> Once I get everything working in KDE and I like it, then I'm going to remove GNOME
[10:24] <ronald> i have problem with Kubuntu, in installer a program}
[10:24] <easytiger> reldruh: cheers :)
[10:25] <easytiger> also.. anyone know how to get a frosted glass type effect on the pannel
[10:25] <nosrednaekim> easy tiger...configure the panel
[10:26] <easytiger> nosrednaekim: and?
[10:26] <excelsior> ronald : can you be more precise ? which program ?
[10:27] <CShadowRun> is there any way to disable [shift]  + backspace?
[10:27] <tradakad> hi 2 all from ukraine!
[10:27] <ronald> i need install NetBeans for java applications and other program like PHP, MySQL and Apache
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> and enable transparency, then click advanced options
[10:28] <CShadowRun> i keep hitting shift + backspace and it takes me to the password screen (same background) but no place to enter my password
[10:28] <CShadowRun> then i have to restart x and login again
[10:28] <easytiger> ronald: so just tell us the problem
[10:28] <CShadowRun> i keep doing it by accident, really annoying.
[10:28] <tradakad> I have some questions - where can I ask them?
[10:28] <panathos> how about install ntfs-3g?
[10:28] <ronald> but all moment this installer this fauler
[10:28] <NSCAD_Nathan> anyone know if there which package which contains libgnome.so specifcally?
[10:28] <ronald> fail
[10:28] <excelsior> panathos: it works perfectly for me
[10:29] <easytiger> tradakad: dont ask to ask
[10:29] <excelsior> ronald : tell us exactly what is the error please
[10:30] <ronald> excuse me, but really not idea the error
[10:31] <ronald> in spanish "REALMENTE ESE ES EL PROBLEMA "
[10:31] <tradakad> easytiger, sorry. I just dont want to distrub anyone. I want to try kubuntu - now I use gentoo - how many files should I download and can I use sources from gentoo?
[10:31] <excelsior> if installastion fails, you must have an error message or something !
[10:31] <excelsior> *installation
[10:31] <CShadowRun> !es
[10:31] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:31] <easytiger> tradakad: you wont need to use the sources
[10:31] <CShadowRun> [tradakad-> you can download the iso from www.ubuntu.com ?
[10:32] <easytiger> tradakad: k{u}buntu uses the apt package manager
[10:32] <easytiger> the torrent s prob the fasted way to get it
[10:32] <tradakad> CShadowRun - no. but I wait for cd from SAR
[10:33] <tradakad> easytiger - yes i know - but shoul i download these deb packages?
[10:33] <CShadowRun> is there any way to disable [shift]  + backspace?
[10:33] <easytiger> tradakad: you dont need to
[10:33] <tradakad> i have about 4 Gb source - i dont want to download to much deb packages so I asked can i use some sources?
[10:34] <easytiger> apt-get automatically downloaded the package and the dependencies when you install them
[10:34] <excelsior> ronald: nobody can help you if you don't tell which error message you get, which command you were doing and stuff like that
[10:35] <fenrig> do u guys know where i can get
[10:35] <tradakad> easytiger - ok. but can I get a list from these packages and download them at work and after that install it at home?
[10:35] <fenrig> a professional webhost for free who runs linux???
[10:35] <excelsior> (or maybe someone who can read in dregs)
[10:35] <nosrednaekim> yes, trakadad, you need to get the synaptic package manager
[10:35] <nosrednaekim> it'll make a download script
[10:36] <easytiger> tradakad: i'm not sure.. usualyl its advisable to have a net connection. but im sure there is a way
[10:36] <easytiger> ahh.
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> I have to do it all the time
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> dial up and all
[10:36] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - what do you mean?
[10:37] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - aha. understand
[10:37] <jarle> is there a #kde channel somewhere?
[10:37] <easytiger> they have their own server
[10:37] <chavo> jarle, yeah they hide it at #kde
[10:38] <excelsior> Well, as I'm there I have a question. I want to transfer my kubuntu on a new hard drive. My actual hard drive got only one partition and I want to make 2 partitions for the new. Which size do you recommend me for the / partition ?
[10:38] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - I have a dial at home and free Internet at work - i wnat to get the list at home , download tese files and take them to home, understand?
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> thats wht I do
[10:38] <jarle> chavo: At freenode? I see that there is a server at irc.kde.org also...
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> however,do you have a form of UNIX at work?
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> becuase the script needs wget
[10:39] <chavo> I believe it's an alias for freenode anyway
[10:39] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - no. but i have a wgetunder win$ :)
[10:39] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - I meant - I have a windows version of Wget
[10:40] <guiden> phew. atlast my google account is gone.
[10:40] <tradakad> guiden - it was stlen??
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> ok... I'm not sure if you can do it... but you can try
[10:40] <heinkel_111> can someone remember what the apt command to remove a filed install is?
[10:40] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - can you explane me?
[10:41] <heinkel_111> something with purge?
[10:41] <guiden> what's stlen? :)
[10:41] <HymnToLife> heinkel_111, apt-get remove --purge packagename
[10:41] <fydo> guiden: just curious, why did you get rid of it?
[10:41] <tradakad> guiden - I meant your google account
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> explain what?
[10:42] <cpk1> anyone know how I would do this: Bob is logged into his X session on tty7; Joe comes in and logs in on a Konsole on Bob's session and wants to run an X app through Bob's X screen
[10:42] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - how does work your script and how can i use it?
[10:42] <guiden> Becausae I lost faith in that google are the good guys, everything you do with google, even if you aren't logged in, they keep track of everything you do. They log everything. And it's only a matter of time before government coprorate with google
[10:43] <heinkel_111> HymnToLife: thank you, but it appears my problem was worse than that :(
[10:43] <guiden> I want something that I ahve control over
[10:43] <guiden> have
[10:43] <heinkel_111> the purge failed to fix the problem with the k3d failed install
[10:43] <guiden> seriously, I don't trust big companies
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> the script is made by the synaptic package manager (ubuntu's, not Kubuntus)
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> the problem is how to get synaptic though...
[10:44] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - so i must install synaptic before?
[10:44] <chavo> cpk1, is Joe local?
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> yes
[10:44] <cpk1> chavo: yes this is all being done on tty7
[10:44] <jarle> I have a mplayer.desktop file, where do I need to put it to make konqueror use mplayer for supported filetypes?
[10:44] <maelcum_> guiden: don't forget to block google's cookies, too.
[10:44] <chavo> cpk1, xhost + Joe, or xhost + local should do it
[10:44] <guiden> If you have gmail or used google, they have stored everything
[10:44] <guiden> how do I do that?
[10:45] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - ok. thx. so what should i do after that?
[10:45] <kimmern> Hey! at the startup screen when kubuntu loads, it uses a hell of a lot time..i think it is "scanning all disks" at every startup..how can i disable that?
[10:45] <chavo> cpk1, or try man xhost, I'm not exactly an expert on it
[10:45] <chavo> I usually just do xhost +
[10:45] <guiden> how do I block myself from using google?
[10:45] <cpk1> chavo: ok, well at least I have somewhere to start now =D
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> instead of getting all the packages("apply") go to file-> generate download script
[10:45] <maelcum_> guiden: konqueror setup, cookies, add ".google.com" and other relevant domains
[10:45] <guiden> ok
[10:46] <excelsior> onyone can advice me a reasonable size for a root partition under kubuntu ? (huge hard drive)
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> synaptic(and its dependencies) isn't real big, dial up should be able to get it in anout 3 hours
[10:46] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - aha. greate. understand :)
[10:46] <chavo> guiden, behind you!
[10:47] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - can I use synaptic in Kubuntu?
[10:47] <guiden> Even if you are not doing something illegal, I think it's totally wrong for log what people do. And all these cameras I see everywhere, damn it's like that orwell book
[10:47] <chavo> tradakad, sure just apt-get install synaptic
[10:47] <reldruh> excelsior: 20GB's? It really depends on what you're going to do with it. If you're going to be recording videos or something, make it huge. If you're giong to be doing word processing and not much else, 10GB's will probably be enough.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> synaptic works better than adeptin kubuntu
[10:47] <maelcum_> guiden: assuming you browse with konqueror, of course. oh, you are in the uk?
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> trakadad, yes its what I use
[10:48] <guiden> nope
[10:48] <chavo> yeah I prefer synaptic too when I'm l need a gui
[10:48] <pino12> ciao a tutti
[10:48] <excelsior> reldruh: I will make a /home partition (bigger)
[10:48] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim, chavo - ok. thx.
[10:48] <excelsior> that's just for having an idea about softwares sizes and stuff
[10:48] <panathos> pino12: english channel here (anch'io sono italiano)
[10:49] <fydo> guiden: you may be alarmed to find out that almost all websites log activity. you might as well quit the internets
[10:49] <guiden> people need to wake up and realise that their government is the enemy
[10:49] <pino12> thank you panathos
[10:49] <BluesKaj> chavo, synaptic has the the fix broken pkg option which is great for new users
[10:49] <tradakad> 2 all - tell me plz - whit versions of software are in last reale of kubuntu now? i mean kernel, kde, fcc e.t.c
[10:49] <tradakad> ?
[10:49] <reldruh> excelsior: kubuntu really doesn't take up that much space. I don't know what the number is but it's definitely less than 5GB's. Somewhere around 2 sounds right, but I'm just guessing
[10:49] <jememe> hey guys i have these speakers:  Creative Inspire P5800 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker when i plug them in and listen to music through them i only hear it comming out of the two front speakers and the sub the other two rear and center dont work, any ideas why sound is not comming out of them? i heard i had to do something special to get them to work?
[10:49] <guiden> fydo well not everyone cooporate with the government
[10:49] <_martin> a conspiracy theory...?
[10:49] <fydo> guiden: and google does?
[10:49] <guiden> no it's not a conspiracy theory
[10:50] <guiden> you never know and never trust people in that kind of positions
[10:50] <guiden> leaders lie
[10:50] <fydo> heh
[10:50] <guiden> and lie
[10:50] <_martin> how is it different then, abound, please
[10:50] <chavo> I've got a new edgy install for testing and it's 1.8 Gigs
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> trakadad, depends on your version,are you using edgy?
[10:50] <_martin> like the nomenklatura, or the special US circle that controls everything in the world
[10:50] <guiden> seriously, if people knew how much their politicans are lying the whole earth would explode in revolutions
[10:50] <_martin> nomenklatura, a former soviet institution
[10:51] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - what is edgy?
[10:51] <guiden> people are loosing their freedoms for governmentts and coooporations
[10:51] <doomnx> guys when i try to shut down the system, it either freezes on shutdown or it appears an "out of range" monitor message, so i have to shutdown it from the button. what might be going wrong?
[10:51] <guiden> governments are evil
[10:51] <fydo> guiden: i still don't understand what that has to do with google
[10:51] <chavo> guiden, #kubuntu-offtopic please
[10:51] <_martin> goverments are THE evil
[10:51] <guiden> ops :)
[10:51] <tradakad> nosreadnaekim - I mean what is the last version of kubuntu? and what kind ov soft are there? do you know?
[10:51] <guiden> join me in politics
[10:51] <fydo> guiden: google aren't gov't leaders or politicians
[10:51] <guiden> #politics
[10:51] <guiden> no
[10:51] <guiden> let me explain
[10:51] <chavo> #tinfoilhat
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> !edgy
[10:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[10:52] <guiden> the more information they got about people the more power can they have on you. They gather all kinds of information, it's like a puzzle
[10:52] <tradakad> Edgy - is the new name of kubuntu/ubntu?
[10:52] <guiden> google is just one place
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> yes
[10:52] <fydo> guiden: define 'they'
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> its the version name
[10:52] <BluesKaj> nomenklatura ...hmm similar to nomenclature ...meaning of terms
[10:53] <_martin> kubuntu is another "face" for ubuntu
[10:53] <fydo> guiden: you still haven't provided proof of google giving the gov't information
[10:53] <chavo> tradakad, it's version 6.10 codename
[10:53] <guiden> governments and the police, everyone in power
[10:53] <_martin> I just installed it, since I prefer KDE
[10:53] <guiden> no but they might do
[10:53] <guiden> you never know
[10:53] <fydo> guiden: uh huh, and a big rock might earth and we'll all die.
[10:53] <guiden> do you think  they seriously are going to tell that in public?
[10:53] <guiden> to the public
[10:53] <guiden> no
[10:53] <fydo> guiden: also, ninjas might come and kill you in your sleep
[10:54] <guiden> :)
[10:54] <BluesKaj> big brother!
[10:54] <fydo> better hide in a cave
[10:54] <fydo> oh wait
[10:54] <fydo> the cave might cave in
[10:54] <fydo> you need to stop living in fear
[10:54] <guiden> we don't got any freedom, we are always controlled and being brainwashed with the tv
[10:54] <guiden> poeple have always fought for freedom
[10:54] <BluesKaj> the sky is falling ...someone call the Illuminati , they'll stop it :)
[10:55] <ozgur> hi
[10:55] <guiden> and the scariest part is that that people don't realise it
[10:55] <maelcum_> well, i heard a lecture of a lawyer about what to do if the police searches your flat where he said that google is _very_ reluctant to give out information. they can be forced to do so in some countries, however.
[10:55] <guiden> oh, well back to html/css stuff
[10:55] <BluesKaj> what's scarier is that ppl like to beleive it
[10:56] <guiden> seriously 9/11 was done by the government, just look at the pictures from pentagon and start digging from their. Pentagon, where is the plance?
[10:56] <Skrot> !offtopic
[10:56] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:56] <guiden> just look with objective eye if you got any
[10:56] <BluesKaj> oh geez , more conspiracy theories .
[10:56] <guiden> lol
[10:56] <panathos> pls... there is a kubuntu repository for cinelerra?
[10:56] <guiden> this is called brainwashing
[10:56] <guiden> seriously
[10:57] <guiden> I thought the way you did bluesKaj
[10:57] <fydo> guiden: i think you're in the wrong channel
[10:57] <Skrot> guiden: whatever, take it somewhere else
[10:57] <guiden> sorry
[10:57] <BluesKaj> !cinelerra
[10:57] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[10:57] <guiden> ok, block google from konqueror.
[10:58] <BluesKaj> guiden, I USED to think the way you do
[10:58] <_martin> supposedly, the Bush family belongs to that secret group of very powerful people in America
[10:58] <_martin> I just read a book about it
[10:58] <guiden> blueskaj
[10:58] <guiden> come to #politics
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> pls take this to another chat
[10:58] <BluesKaj> yeah , who wrote the book
[10:58] <_martin> I cannot say it is false or true
[10:58] <_martin> an italo-american
[10:59] <fydo> _martin: cool, does Bush use kubuntu?
[10:59] <_martin> no, but the Jedi does
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> the ethics are too high... sorry
[10:59] <fydo> _martin: then talk about Jedi. this is #kubuntu ;)
[10:59] <_martin> so, don't be afraid
[11:00] <_martin> I got it
[11:00] <BluesKaj> the skull n bones ...u=yeah we know all about it ...rich kid fraternity with all kinds eeeuuu scary stuff going ...bah humbug , just abunch of drunken college kids
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> and take it to another thread
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> or channel whatever
[11:00] <_martin> to ubuntu or not to kubuntu
[11:00] <_martin> that is the question
[11:01] <BluesKaj> if you like kde ..kubuntu
[11:01] <_martin> si, senor
[11:01] <BluesKaj> gnome ...ubuntu
[11:01] <_martin> no, gracias
[11:02] <fydo> BluesKaj: but i am confused, what if one likes xfce? which distro should they choose?
[11:02] <nosrednaekim>  Xubuntu
[11:02] <fydo> nosrednaekim: thanks BluesKaj
[11:03] <Sagacious> Hey
[11:03] <guiden> BluesKaj, Think of this, people live inside a "bubble" which they can see and from their experinces and what they have learned, they form a way to "see" the world. This can get totally wrong if you only get your information from "controlled" sources. It's like the mainstream media is telling you their world story in their own way and predicts how a normal person would react on that.
[11:03] <fydo> Sagacious: hey hey
[11:03] <_martin> I guess there are others, live cd's, for instance, that allow you to use it too
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> yes....I think so...I don't know of any off hand though
[11:03] <Sagacious> I need some help with sound on kubuntu. It works for logon sounds, but doesn't work for music playback or game sounds
[11:03] <_martin> I used to have this kids version of (debian-based) knoppix
[11:03] <tarnold> is kubuntu the only distro thathas a live cd?
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> no... most do
[11:03] <_martin> no, of course ot
[11:03] <Sagacious> I've fiddled with the mixer - but it doesn't wanna know.
[11:03] <_martin> not
[11:04] <_martin> knoppix is supposed to rule
[11:04] <coreymon77> tarnold: most do, but knoppix started it
[11:04] <tarnold> what is the diff between kubuntu and freeBSD, the computertech at my school mentioned FreeBSD.....
[11:04] <coreymon77> _martin: personally, i like kubuntu
[11:05] <coreymon77> tarnold: kubuntu is kubuntu and freeBSD is freeBSD
[11:05] <BluesKaj> guiden, Im a 63 yr old geezer ,... been there, done that, conspiracy theory stuff...it's old hat to the likes of me.
[11:05] <_martin> I've tried knoppix (several flavors, like the robotics cd, the German version for gaming, morphix, among others
[11:05] <coreymon77> they are different
[11:05] <tarnold> coreymon77: how so?
[11:05] <_martin> I love kubuntu, amigo
[11:05] <fydo> tarnold: a keyboard is a keyboard
[11:05] <coreymon77> tarnold: freebsd is a little different from normal linux
[11:06] <_martin> there is no good version, I guess, just the one you like or the one that suits you best
[11:06] <Sagacious> Is there any way to get kubuntu to update my sound card drivers?
[11:06] <coreymon77> tarnold: its linux based, but has its differences
[11:06] <Simplex3> Ok, I must be stuck on stupid again.  I can't get Eclipse to start on a fresh Edgy install even though I have sun-java packages installed.  The only difference between the two machines that I see is the new on is on Java 1.6.  Is there a simple cure?
[11:06] <coreymon77> tarnold: i dont know much about it
[11:06] <tarnold> coreymon77: ah k
[11:06] <_martin> I used to be a pure debian  fan, but I thought it too hard to handle for a newbie like me
[11:07] <coreymon77> _martin: thats why kubuntu is great
[11:07] <_martin> "newbie", since I go by the cookbook approach
[11:07] <_martin> yeah
[11:07] <tarnold> whats the cookbook approach
[11:07] <_martin> have you (all) used automatix
[11:07] <_martin> ?
[11:07] <iamsam9895> A pinch of salt, duh
[11:07] <coreymon77> _martin: but you are right, there is no perfect linux, everyone has there own opinions
[11:07] <_martin> cookbook approach, you hardly have an idea of what you're doing
[11:08] <coreymon77> _martin: do NOT use automatix!!!
[11:08] <iamsam9895> I call that the "Democratic" Approach
[11:08] <_martin> but you copy and paste into the root terminal
[11:08] <_martin> why?
[11:08] <coreymon77> !autmatix
[11:08] <coreymon77> !automatix
[11:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autmatix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <_martin> not automatix
[11:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:08] <guiden> blueskaj, but it's wrong of me and you to say that we hold the "absolute truth", conpsiracy theories aren't just popping out of nowwhere. They tend to be on to something.
[11:08] <coreymon77> thats why
[11:09] <coreymon77> it breaks systems
[11:09] <_martin> oh, I see
[11:09] <BluesKaj> if you install automatix , make sure you have synaptic , so when automatix breaks pkges , you have synaptic to fix them
[11:09] <_martin> I won't then
[11:09] <coreymon77> _martin: consider yourself warned
[11:09] <_martin> thanks
[11:09] <coreymon77> _martin: if you want to continue using it, go ahead
[11:09] <coreymon77> _martin: but you wont get any help here if it messes things up
[11:09] <doomnx> goodnight guys
[11:10] <doomnx> and if anyone knows why kubuntu freezes on shutdown, plz let me know
[11:10] <_martin> Dear demigods of linux, best way to learn how to use bash commands? disregard my Q if it's too lame, please
[11:10] <BluesKaj> guiden , yeah so what can ppl do about it , awareness of the situation doesn't make it go away
[11:10] <excelsior> ouch my god !
[11:10] <excelsior> my kernel froze !
[11:10] <coreymon77> _martin: its called apt
[11:11] <guiden> blueskaj, that's what I like about computers and science, there is no bullshit :p
[11:11] <BluesKaj> !media-codecs
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about media-codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <BluesKaj> !media
[11:11] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:11] <_martin> aptitude?
[11:11] <coreymon77> _martin: or that
[11:11] <coreymon77> _martin: eitherone works
[11:11] <_martin> apt-get install...?
[11:11] <coreymon77> _martin: sudo
[11:11] <NixHex> !codecs
[11:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:11] <_martin> I've installed lots of nice things on my system over time
[11:11] <BluesKaj> sudo aptitude install 'pkg'
[11:11] <tarnold> aptitude gets packages and installs thenm it also installs dependencies and removes them too] 
[11:11] <_martin> so, don't think I'm that way behind
[11:12] <coreymon77> _martin: i dont know why anyone would use automatix when we have apt, which does the same thing and doesnt break your computer
[11:12] <lupul> hey there
[11:12] <BluesKaj> coreymon77, automatix is for ppl who can't be bothered to learn cli
[11:12] <excelsior> is there anyone using skype ?
[11:12] <coreymon77> _martin: and is supported
[11:12] <_martin> well, in Spanish we would say "not knowing is worse than being blind"
[11:12] <lupul> need some good firewall. anyone pls??
[11:13] <excelsior> I think skype is responsible of my kernel freeze
[11:13] <fyrmedic> I am trying to compile an ndiswrapper package and keep getting an error about build packages. Any ideas/solutions
[11:13] <fyrmedic> ?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> well being blind to something is the same as not knowing , IMO :)
[11:14] <NixHex> lupul: if you have router, don't necissarily need one...but theres firestarter and guarddog for UI config of iptables(which is installed by default)
[11:14] <NixHex> !firewall | lupul
[11:14] <ubotu> lupul: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:14] <lupul> ok
[11:15] <lupul> but i tried guarddog and i couldn't even kopete log in
[11:15] <lupul> *get kopete
[11:15] <_martin> I love kopete
[11:15] <DaSkreech> I have an issue with subversion
[11:15] <NixHex> lupul: will guarddog you must first disable the firewall and then configure
[11:16] <AMSmith42> Any ideas as to why I might be getting a 403 Forbidden when I apt-get kubuntu-desktop on a new install of ubuntu-server?
[11:16] <lupul> ok. but how do i configure it?
[11:16] <NixHex> !guarddog
[11:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:17] <NixHex> lupul: configure using protocol and advanced tab
[11:17] <_martin> who has ever used (managed, at least to install) slackware?
[11:17] <lupul> well....  hope i'll manage it somehow
[11:17] <lupul> thanks
[11:17] <_martin> bsd is unix, not linux, right?
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> _martin...used ot for a good two years
[11:17] <_martin> how was slack?
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> I don't kno how I lived without dependency checking
[11:18] <NixHex> lupul: just remember: advanced tab >> disable firewall >> apply >> re-enable >> protocol tab/selection >> apply
[11:18] <_martin> I've only used the non-gui, perhaps I was even dumber, zipslack for some time, to no avail
[11:18] <tarnold> martin whats the difference between bsd and linux?
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> I still use it on an onld laptop
[11:18] <BluesKaj> a form of unix , yes , _martin
[11:19] <BluesKaj> berkely calif developed BSD
[11:19] <NixHex> lupul: firestarter is generally easier, but I find firestarter annoying
[11:19] <BluesKaj> U of
[11:19] <_martin> I mean, with 1/1000,000,000th of the know-how I now possess (still very little), what can you do with no gui
[11:19] <cpk1> where are X session settings stored?
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> everything... but slackware thankfully has GUI
[11:19] <_martin> berkely people consider themselves superior (bsd) people
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:20] <_martin> just look at their little devil raping tux, a popular sight on their sites
[11:20] <Simplex3> I love FreeBSD on servers, for what it's worth.  Wouldn't use it on a desktop.
[11:20] <NixHex> _martin: they did manage to make a very secure system though
[11:20] <NixHex> and stable
[11:20] <cpk1> no thats the X server
[11:20] <tarnold> im totally confused now
[11:20] <cpk1> I need the user defined X sessions
[11:21] <shadow864> hi all
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> expound
[11:21] <_martin> computing is in the stone age in my country (the Dominican Republic)
[11:21] <lupul> this guarddog is killing me
[11:21] <lupul> ok. so how do i let kopete get through?
[11:21] <_martin> but I won't say why, it's also about politics...
[11:22] <tarnold> _martin: so whats teh diff between freebsd and unix and all this stuff
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> their liscence mostly IMHO
[11:22] <_martin> corrupt government sponsoring MS
[11:22] <_martin> please, ask someone else, I barely know
[11:22] <NixHex> lupul: lol for kopete: in protocol tab >> chat >> "service"...............both internet and local zones need to be activated
[11:22] <tarnold> oh
[11:22] <tarnold> k
[11:23] <_martin> all I know they both stem from unix
[11:23] <BluesKaj> ask ppl in the bsd channel
[11:23] <_martin> but they went different ways, like half brothers
[11:23] <tarnold> does anyone else know the difference between FreeBSD and kubuntu and what not
[11:23] <_martin> correct me if I'm wrong
[11:23] <tarnold> where is the bsd channel?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> freeBSD is not Linux , that's all I can tell you
[11:23] <_martin> I wouldn't try bsd until I have masterd linux
[11:23] <BluesKaj> #bsd
[11:23] <tarnold> then what is it?
[11:24] <tarnold> k
[11:24] <hatta> bsd isn't any harder than linux
[11:24] <_martin> they call themselve elite linux users, they seem to despise us mortals
[11:24] <hatta> in some ways it's easier
[11:24] <_martin> whatever
[11:24] <thoreauputic> tarnold: the BSDs are Unix
[11:24] <hatta> the freebsd handbook is really really nice
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hatta , it's not an easy OS to install
[11:24] <thoreauputic> tarnold: more or less
[11:24] <NixHex> tarnold: BSD is for the more for advanced users
[11:24] <hatta> I never had a problem installing freebsd
[11:24] <Simplex3> tarnold: On EfNet, #freebsdhelp.
[11:25] <_martin> yeah, tell me that, I almost ruined my pc trying to install bsd
[11:25] <scribz> openbsd is very nice
[11:25] <hatta> it's not any harder than plain debian
[11:25] <_martin> netintall though
[11:25] <tarnold> whats ef net?
[11:25] <NixHex> BSD is a pain to install
[11:25] <BluesKaj> well bully for you hatta , but other ppl do ...so do you want a badge or somethinG :)
[11:25] <Simplex3> Don't go BSD unless you know what you're doing and what hardware you have and if it's supported.  :)
[11:25] <_martin> guess they do it on purpose, since they boast about their superiority
[11:26] <thoreauputic> tarnold: if you don't know the difference between Linux and the BSDs - stay with Linux for the moment :)
[11:26] <BluesKaj> there is a live cd Freesbie 2
[11:26] <hatta> if you're curious about freebsd, install it
[11:26] <hatta> it's free
[11:26] <Lynoure> hmmph
[11:26] <Simplex3> thoreauputic: Good advice.  :)  The BSD guys are a little less forgiving.
[11:26] <hatta> just don't ask us for help
[11:26] <tarnold> pl
[11:26] <tarnold> ok
[11:27] <Simplex3> FYI, Eclipse seems to require any Mozilla app to be installed.
[11:27] <thoreauputic> anyway, strictly speaking BSD is off-topic here I guess
[11:27] <Lynoure> I guess this channel has a huge shortage of kubuntu questions
[11:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , try asking for help there ..."yer too dumb ..we know it all ,go away" ...that was my impression of their help chat
[11:28] <BluesKaj> BSD , that is
[11:28] <Simplex3> BluesKaj: If you have something specific that isn't clearly in the user's guide, they're helpful.  If you don't do your own research first they're vicious.
[11:28] <Lynoure> How does one increase the cache size for streams in Amarok?
[11:29] <hatta> there's nothing wrong with expecting people to help themselves first
[11:29] <hatta> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[11:29] <hatta> more people need to read that
[11:29] <Lynoure> (Yes, I did my research on this, but did not find anything)
[11:29] <lupul> sorry. it just doesn't connect
[11:29] <hatta> oh not referring to you Lynoure
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> lynoure, go over to the amarok channel
[11:30] <tarnold> hatta: what is?
[11:30] <hatta> what is what?
[11:30] <tarnold> the link
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Simplex3, ya know what, i don't think bsd is so wonderful...I had it installed about 2 yrs ago after a lot of help , but it don't do much for me.
[11:30] <NixHex> lupul: just use firestarter if you having so many problems
[11:31] <hatta> tarnold, if you want to know, click it
[11:31] <BluesKaj> dinnertime , BBL
[11:31] <lupul> ok
[11:31] <Lynoure> nosrednaekim: Amarok is in Kubuntu. They usually tell me to upgrade to a version that does not exist for dapper
[11:31] <lupul> ill try it
[11:31] <lupul> thanks
[11:31] <Simplex3> BluesKaj: I was forced to use it for about a year and a half.  By the end of that you couldn't pry it from my cold, dead hands on my servers.
[11:31] <NixHex> lupul: or follow the guarddog handbook: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/manual2/
[11:31] <Simplex3> When done right a FreeBSD server is very, very easy to maintain.
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> Lynoure: maybe your version doesn't support it
[11:32] <tarnold> so wait, is Freebsd strictly a server?
[11:32] <Simplex3> tarnold: No.
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> no.... but thats what it is (at present) best for
[11:32] <tarnold> or a desktop, like kubuntu, is or can be? idk what the correct term is
[11:32] <Simplex3> FreeBSD is seriously lacking in drivers for the cool, new hardware, ACPI, etc.
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> and to confuse you even more.... MAC OS is built on BSD
[11:32] <Lynoure> nosrednaekim: My version? You mean the one in Dapper?
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> yes
[11:32] <Simplex3> Mac OSX is on FreeBSD 3.?
[11:32] <tarnold> gah this is so confusing
[11:32] <Simplex3> (IIRC)
[11:33] <Simplex3> lol
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> yes... MAC OS is built on BSD(of some sort)
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> OS X that is
[11:33] <Lynoure> nosrednaekim: If you know how to do it in any version, I'd be grateful to hear.
[11:33] <Simplex3> tarnold: There's Windows, and then there's a big mixing bowl that everything else lives in.
[11:34] <tarnold> ok see i still have windows, ive mostly moved to kubuntu(but im not doign anything with windows it will just stay there) but the tech guy at school mentioned Freebsd as what he used several years ago...and now im trying to compare....gah this annoying, and im only tyring to find info to compare the two
[11:35] <Simplex3> tarnold: If you want to run a desktop computer FreeBSD can, but it sucks at it.  Kubuntu is the clear choice.  I have years of FreeBSD experience and would not run it on my desktop.  I run Kubunut.
[11:36] <coreymon77> tarnold: freebsd is much more of a server distro
[11:36] <coreymon77> tarnold: kubuntu is way more of a desktop distro
[11:37] <mordred__> Lynoure: try /.kde/share/apps/amarok/your engine-config, seems to have stream related stuff
[11:38] <iamsam9895> Could somebody help me get firefox onto kubuntu?
[11:38] <Lynoure> mordred__: I'm looking at that right away and eyeing #engine.buffers.audio_num_buffers:230
[11:38] <thoreauputic> iamsam9895: sudo aptitude install firefox ?
[11:38] <tarnold> ok thanks so ill stick with kubuntu
[11:38] <mordred__> ^^
[11:38] <Simplex3> tarnold: Now, if you want to run an Apache server live on the web, FreeBSD rules.  Most of the servers on Netcraft's top uptimes list are BSD.
[11:38] <_martin> bye folks, my kid wants the penguin, she says
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> haha
[11:38] <tarnold> nah just a simple desktop highyschool noob for me
[11:39] <Simplex3> noob + FreeBSD = tears.
[11:39] <iamsam9895> Wow, thatnks thoreauputic
[11:39] <Lynoure> Simplex3: You can update bsd kernel without any downtime? Or just less need to upgrade it?
[11:39] <iamsam9895> Simplex3, I know what you mean
[11:39] <iamsam9895> I tried FreeBSD and almost died.
[11:39] <thoreauputic> !docs | iamsam9895
[11:39] <ubotu> iamsam9895: documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[11:39] <thoreauputic> iamsam9895: ")
[11:39] <tarnold> i was/am atracked to kubuntu cos it seemed easy
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> it is easy...
[11:39] <Simplex3> Lynoure: I've always rebooted and I believe you need to.
[11:40] <Simplex3> You just never need to.
[11:40] <tarnold> and now im liking it more then windows
[11:40] <tarnold> the knotes is great if i have ot make a reminder
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: great... as long you aren't a gamer
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> Linux can do anything, except games
[11:40] <tarnold> amarok is ace...and open office is cool, but ive only used writer-- well and this is the thing, i was till i got my console
[11:40] <Simplex3> Hey now.  I run UT.
[11:40] <Simplex3> :)
[11:41] <fignew> every game I've ever wanted to play works
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> ok ok...I regress
[11:41] <tarnold> hey i got my xbox 360 with gears of war!!
[11:41] <xenalise> Simplex3: UT 99? :)
[11:41] <tarnold> ohh burn
[11:41] <Lynoure> fignew: that can mean a whole range of things :)
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> I didn't try anything... everything orks
[11:41] <xenalise> nosrednaekim: It can run a few games
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[11:41] <Simplex3> xenalise: I can assure you it was one of the first versions.
[11:42] <xenalise> I run Deus Ex, Star Wars Knight of the Old Republic, Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast, UT99 and UT2004 on my kubuntu lappy :)
[11:42] <xenalise> Simplex3: UT99 was the first version :)
[11:42] <xenalise> I have UT GOTY :D
[11:43] <iamsam9895> brb
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> ok ok.... but ya'll know what I mean(anout games)
[11:44] <Simplex3> Yeah.
[11:44] <ferret_0567> How do I make Konqueror faster for web browsing and change this behavior for Kopete's IRC Plugin?:
[11:44] <ferret_0567> 16:42:54)  #  blue is now Away.
[11:44] <ferret_0567> (16:42:54)  #  acetoxy is now Away.
[11:44] <ferret_0567> 16:42:54)  #  crimsun is now Away.
[11:44] <ferret_0567> That Kopete behavior happens when I join an RIC Channel
[11:44] <ferret_0567> RIC = IRC. sorry
[11:44] <ferret_0567> brb
[11:46] <tarnold> if i use yahoo for email can i use thunderbird
[11:47] <Malph> does jedi acadamy use wine or is it native?
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure, can you configure yahoo to do pop forwarding?
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> does anyone else here have beryl running on Kubuntu?
[11:51] <Malph> not at the moment that is my project for tonight however I was running it on gentoo
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> Malph: its pretty easy
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> easier if you have an Nvidia card
[11:52] <Malph> nosrednaekim: figured it was a snap in gentoo I don't see ubuntu being any more difficult
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> as long as you don't have an ATI...
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> but what I find amazing about beryl is the amount of resources it uses
[11:54] <Malph> I don't really see any performance hit but my sytem is still fairly new
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> we installed it on a 3 year old laptop with integrated Intels graphics... runs like a charm
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> and i835 video chipset
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> *an
[11:55] <Malph> nice
[11:55] <NixHex> OO 2.2 is pretty nice
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> Vista would be a Joke on it
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> 2.2? I don't think tat was released yet
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> !OpenOffice
[11:56] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[11:56] <NixHex> it is if you are using feisty
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> are you sure you don't mean 2.1?
[11:56] <Malph> I read a couple days ago on digg about changing a few settings in the general panel like turning off vsync and upping the screen refresh rate that smooths out the animations
[11:57] <NixHex> no its 2.2
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[11:57] <easytiger> whats the gnome version of ktorrent?
[11:57] <NixHex> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main openoffice.org-style-crystal 2.2.0~rc3~oof680m10-0ubuntu3 [3993kB] 
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> oh... its a release canidate
[11:58] <NixHex> yes...everything is a "release canidate" in feisty right now
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> oh....
[11:58] <flaccid> hi guys anybody using a program to enable multimedia keys on a logitech keyboard?
[11:58] <flaccid> !logitech
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <NixHex> well except kde...unless you go for the 3.80.X
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> !klineak
[11:59] <Malph> !asterisk
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klineak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <xenalise> !shotmeplz
[11:59] <ubotu> asterisk: Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.12.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 400 kB
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shotmeplz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <xenalise> *shoot
[11:59] <xenalise> :D
[11:59] <provolik> Which ports Do I have to open on my router for an amsn webcam?
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> ummm try "klineakd" for hotkeys
[11:59] <NixHex> provolik: if MSN works, then webcam work since they use same port
[12:00] <provolik> oh
[12:00] <provolik> my webcam does not work then :(
[12:00] <NixHex> provolik: unless they decided to change something since last I used it...which was just the other day before I unistalled it
[12:03] <NixHex> provolik: if you use guarddog or firestarter..they might be blocking the webcam
[12:03] <provolik> ok
[12:03] <provolik> thanks
[12:04] <Sagacious> Anyone know where I can get a Windows Vista pack for KDE, if one exists? :P
[12:04] <Malph> is there a group working on ubuntu for intel based macs?
[12:04] <NixHex> thats devil worship talk sagacious!! HERACY!
[12:05] <Sagacious> You're lucky to see me installing kubuntu or any Linux distro :P
[12:05] <NixHex> Sagacious: but I do think there is a vista theme on www.kde-look.org
[12:06] <Malph> install the beryl windows manager
[12:06] <Schuenemann> hey, is there any way I can adjust subtitles in kaffeine?
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> or use the crystal-vista window decoration them
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> *theme
[12:06] <NixHex> beryl really only works in xorg 7.2...so make sure you have that
[12:06] <Gizmo48> fffff
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> i'm running 7.1
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> beryl works fine
[12:07] <Sagacious> So, where's crystal-vista when it's at home lol
[12:07] <Gizmo48> Anyone know how to remove a HPLIP installation WITHOUT using apt, etc...?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> !language | Sagacious
[12:07] <ubotu> Sagacious: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:07] <thoreauputic> ;p
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> I LOVE that bot
[12:08] <eagles0513875> same
[12:08] <NixHex> nosrednaekim: it may work in 7.1...but the article I read about it said 7.2
[12:08] <Malph> Sagacious: I would look at kde-look.org
[12:08] <Schuenemann> hey, is there any way I can adjust subtitles in kaffeine?
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> NixHex, i'm using Xgl... so I guess it wouldn't matter what version of Xserver
[12:09] <ferret_0567> Do you all know that in Edgy, if you close the lid of a laptop, ATI or NVIDIA, X.Org will crash, regardless of KDE, GNOME, or XFCE being used? it's a known bug
[12:09] <NixHex> nosrednaekim: yeah that does make a difference...but I don't care about beryl...don't have any use for it
[12:09] <cpk1> ferret_0567: you probably have it set to hibernate or some such when the lid is closed
[12:09] <fdoving> ferret_0567: closed source drivers suck.
[12:09] <reldruh> ferret_0567: not true. Just closing the lid isn't enough to do that; I do it all the time
[12:09] <ferret_0567> I hate it so much! There is a unofficial fix.
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> ferret: doesn';t happen to me...
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ferret_0567: um, that's hardware-apecific I would say
[12:09] <NixHex> Sagacious: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39498
[12:10] <cpk1> I havent had any problems with my laptop
[12:10] <ferret_0567> Are you using Edgy?
[12:10] <Gizmo48> they don't call it "edgy" for nothin':O
[12:10] <eagles0513875> i hate ati
[12:10] <ferret_0567> I use NVIDIA with the propriatary module
[12:10] <eagles0513875> cant with my laptop
[12:10] <NixHex> Sagacious: thats one of the several available
[12:11] <Guest681> hello
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> eagles, ATI works for me
[12:11] <Sagacious> How are they installed....download and...
[12:11] <Guest681> anyone plays oblivion on kubuntu?
[12:11] <ferret_0567> kde-guidance-powermanager is set not to do anything when the lid is closed. brb, I'm going to close the lid, X.Org might crash
[12:11] <NixHex> Sagacious: use kcontrol >> appearance >> themes
[12:11] <Sagacious> Ok thanks
[12:11] <NixHex> Sagacious: atleast for the one I provided a link for
[12:12] <Guest681> anyone here play oblivion?
[12:12] <goblin> hello, i've installed ubuntu(gnome) the first time to try it out and i must say..... i love linux..........
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> thats like asking "anyone here have a Nvidia 8800"
[12:13] <Eagle_101> goblin: yes and :D
[12:13] <goblin> yeah i
[12:13] <NixHex> I have interesting setup....freeBSD icon theme, vista buttons, and crystal windows (see through)
[12:13] <Eagle_101> is it that you want to try kubuntu?
[12:13] <goblin> so i'm trying to get the drivers for my graphic card and stuff like that^
[12:13] <BluesKaj> NixHex, into eye candy eh?
[12:14] <Balsamic_Chicken> test