=== jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [12:21] New bug: #90500 in malone "Project group Bugs page has no link for reporting a bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90500 [12:23] howdy. i'm trying to push bug 88158 upstream, but launchpad doesn't seem to have an upstream product for ontv [12:23] Malone bug 88158 in ontv "[feisty] OnTV does not show 24-hour clock properly" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88158 - Assigned to Chris Rose (chris-vault5) [12:24] the bugs are tracked in gnome bugzilla, not sure what to do about that [12:24] mooey, you could register the ontv product in Launchpad yourself [12:25] New bug: #90502 in launchpad "class="highlight" and class="highlighted" shouldn't coexist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90502 [12:28] mpt, done :-) ty [12:29] and let Launchpad know that it uses bugzilla.gnome.org as it's bugtracker [12:29] barry: ping [12:29] lifeless: pong === sinzui is now known as sinzui_dinner [12:29] did you see my note yesterday about spamming from your server in response to bugs ? [12:30] I have the mail sent out which I can forward you if you want [12:30] it starts out 'This is an automated response. I have received your message, but' [12:30] i've gotten quite a few messages on that, but i don't remember yours specifically ;) [12:30] a couple of things: === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #launchpad [12:31] this is really caused by a (reported bug) in lp because it doesn't add Precedence: bulk header to outgoing messages. it should, and that would prevent the replybot from replying. i think you'd get the same spam from someone who used vacation on a subscribed address. [12:32] well, I'm not ascribing blame [12:32] until that bug gets fixed (but maybe permanently anyway) i've switched my contact address to barry@canonical.com so no more replybot [12:32] I just dont want users reporting bugs in bzr to get this response [12:32] ok thats cool, thanks. [12:32] lifeless: no, me neither, but it's a good thing for lp to add that header for the future [12:33] np! i know that'll make the 10 or so people who pinged me today about that happy :) [12:33] barry, hey, I'll r= a patch which adds that header. I hear you have pqm access! [12:33] kiko: friday /is/ coming up soon :) [12:34] it all adds up [12:34] this'll be a fun one for FiF! [12:37] mpt: btw, for the evo guys, there is an answer to their response 'be generous in what you accept' [12:37] founding concept in the IETF [12:37] lifeless, yes, Postel's Law [12:37] I've been trying to think of a nice way of putting it, though [12:38] bluntly I think [12:38] i.e. one that actually gets the bug fixed in Evolution instead of just irritating them :-) [12:38] :) === TwoPints [n=frank@ACBD80EB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === RAOF_ [n=chris@220-245-182-140.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-136-145.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@200-127-103-20.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #launchpad === RAOF_ [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === barry is now known as barry-away === RAOF_ 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[n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [12:51] morning folks [12:54] hey cprov [12:54] Hobbsee: hi there === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #launchpad [12:55] morning [12:56] hello [12:56] Before you start to complain about me and delays in my emails, let me blame my oddness and warn that I won't have emails back for the next 4 hours (my server link is broken). === Hobbsee immediately complains :P === sinzui_is_awake is now known as sinzui === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable252.1-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:00] Welcome to this week's Launchpad developers' meeting. For the next 45 minutes we'll be coordinating and reporting on the state of Launchpad development. [01:00] Who is here today? [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] maybe me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:01] here [01:01] jml not here but ddaa is [01:01] thumper not here but ddaa is [01:01] carlos? [01:01] ddaa: are you acting as the envoy for the bzr launchpad team? [01:01] me [01:01] spiv sends apologies [01:01] SteveA: yes [01:01] stu1? [01:01] me [01:01] thanks ddaa === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:02] matsubara: kiko still out biking? [01:03] me [01:03] bigjools: welcome to your first lp meeting [01:03] SteveA: jus tarrived [01:03] me [01:03] welcome bigjools! [01:03] hello! [01:03] welcome bigjools [01:03] welcome sinzui [01:03] me === stu1 is now known as stub [01:03] and me [01:03] welcome sinzui [01:03] me [01:03] sinzui: welcome dude ! === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [01:03] welcome bigjools and sinzui! [01:04] welcome :) [01:04] welcome guys [01:04] thanks all! [01:04] == Agenda == [01:04] * Roll call [01:04] * Agenda [01:04] * Next meeting [01:04] * Activity reports [01:04] * Actions from last meeting [01:04] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:04] * Bug report (mpt) [01:04] * Bug tags [01:04] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:04] * Launchpad 1.0 status reports [01:05] * Sysadmin requests [01:05] ---- [01:05] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [01:05] * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell) [01:05] * (other items) [01:05] ---- [01:05] * Three sentences [01:05] [01:05] next meeting... [01:05] Now that we have the bzr launchpad team having a separate meeting, accounting for almost all of the australasians [01:05] and we have more people more to the west [01:05] uh oh [01:06] I want to look at having the weekly launchpad meeting at a different time [01:06] wow, really? [01:06] I'll talk with mpt and stub about this after the meeting [01:06] and jamesh, as they are the most easterly people here [01:07] SteveA: where's that Wiki page which had a table of what time suits everybody? [01:07] for now, same time next week please [01:07] westerly, actually === flacoste and sinzui will be sprinting in Montreal === kiko looks at jamesh [01:07] * Activity reports [01:07] Up to date [01:07] oops. stub and me are the most westerly of the australians [01:07] I suck, again. Who can report perfect activity reporting today? [01:07] up to date [01:07] no [01:07] not up to date [01:07] up to date [01:07] up to date [01:07] here [01:07] jml not here but ddaa is [01:07] thumper not here but ddaa is [01:07] up to date [01:08] up to date === carlos is up to date until Monday. Will send today the ones for Tuesday and Wednesday [01:08] oops [01:08] up to date [01:08] up to date [01:08] up to date [01:08] up to date [01:08] not up to date [01:08] not up to date (again) [01:08] up to date [01:08] spiv: My activity reports are up to date. [01:08] up to date [01:08] up to date (just sent missing reports) [01:08] or rather: [01:08] My activity reports are up to date. [01:08] kinda up to date if you ignore the potentially very boring ones I'd be doing for my first few days :) [01:08] up to date [01:08] danilos: https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingTimes [01:10] matsubara: thanks [01:10] on the notes for the last meeting, I have: [01:10] == People who were lax with activity reporting last week == [01:10] * carlos [01:10] * cprov [01:10] * danilos [01:10] * jamesh [01:10] * kiko [01:10] * stub [01:10] * SteveA [01:10] (mpt, I should be on that list too) [01:11] SteveA: do you want to ask "new" people like mrevell, bigjools, statik, sinzui to fill the table at https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingTimes so you can better decide when to hold a meeting? [01:11] SteveA, you weren't there to say whether you were up to date or not, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt :-) [01:11] mpt: ok, thanks :-) [01:11] carlos: please do send those couple of days [01:11] danilos: i'll fill out a row after this meeting [01:11] danilos: same here [01:11] cprov: please start again today [01:12] danilos: me too [01:12] steveA: Will do, yes [01:12] danilos: well done for being up to date this week [01:12] barry: thanks (and sorry for missing you and bac out, there are a lot of new people in the team :)) [01:12] jamesh: please send a summary report today [01:12] okay [01:12] kiko: you know what to do ;-) [01:12] SteveA: sure, as soon as I can get my emails again (within 2 or 3 hours) [01:12] danilos: no problem! it's kind of like getting carded, but maybe in reverse :) [01:12] stub: well done for getting up to date [01:12] SteveA: you suck ;-) [01:13] everyone else, well done. [01:13] * Actions from last meeting [01:14] * '''jamesh''' and '''BjornT''' to agree on a proper fix to the problem of unregistered subscribers to imported bug reports [01:14] * '''SteveA''' and '''mpt''' to have a UI catchup [01:14] we did [01:14] great [01:14] spiv mailed me to say: [01:14] Oh, and regarding the action item for bug 86171 (if there is one, I forget): [01:14] I've updated the bug. There's a very very weird problem I've encountered in [01:14] Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private [01:14] writing the test for it. [01:14] [01:14] jamesh, BjornT ? [01:15] jamesh and i haven't agreed to a proper fix yet [01:15] I think the correct course of action is to verify the created accounts from the schooltool import [01:15] jamesh: can you respond to the relevant e-mails? or should we have a call or something? [01:15] I guess this is quite important to fix before the zope import [01:16] if it's possible, i'd prefer if the imported users could be verified, though. [01:16] and do the same for the zope import. Then decide what should be done. [01:16] what's it to be: a call, or responding to emails? [01:16] I'll respond to the email. [01:16] cool [01:16] SteveA: well, if jamesh is happy with verifying the users that's ok with me. [01:16] that's all the meeting actions from last week [01:16] BjornT: we can identify the created accounts via the creation rationale [01:16] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:16] Today's oops report is about bug 90386 and yesterday's timeouts. [01:16] Bug 90386 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90386 is private [01:16] I welcome developers to comment on bug 90386. It's a private bug, so I'm not sure if it's ok to discuss it here. [01:17] Yesterday we had lots of complains about launchpad timing out. Checking today's report, we can see a huge increase in the number of timeouts on production and beta. The majority of those timeouts are on gangotri (production1 - oops prefix A). lifeless checked the production servers yesterday and told me that rosetta import was chewing up loads of cpu time and re-niced it. stub, was this the cause behind those time outs? [01:17] no idea. if so, it wouldn't explain the similar timeouts from gandwana. === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [01:18] indeed, so it's probably something else. [01:18] If it is poimport, they may go away as of a few hours ago with the last rosetta cherry pick. [01:18] lifeless also reniced the script [01:19] stub: is it possible to find something out looking at those machines logs? [01:19] which may have helped [01:19] stub: please ,renice it again as we killed it [01:19] just in case [01:19] (from my production report) Some odd timeouts are appearing on beta, with requests reported as having 20+ seconds of non-SQL time. If the reports are accurate, I have no idea what to blame for this apart from the Launchpad code as they are happening on both servers and the only common code on both is Launchpad (production and beta). [01:19] maybe, like, we should run scripts on a different machine than app servers? [01:20] stub: possible the servers were swapping? [01:20] or had IO starvation? [01:20] If the app servers stopped accepting connections when they got loaded, it wouldn't matter due to the load balancer. [01:21] Not that I can tell. I'm no Linux expert though. === jinty [n=jinty@87.235.197.184] has joined #launchpad [01:21] stub: please ask the admins to check their logs [01:21] had a lot of overruns on the branch scanner tonight (running on gandwana), might be load, or might be mplayer and samba imports going through. [01:21] SteveA: check their logs for what? [01:22] oh... io starvation, swap etc. [01:22] to see if the servers in question had any issues [01:23] matsubara: anything more on the oops report? [01:24] done here SteveA, thanks. [01:24] thanks matsubara [01:24] * Bug report (mpt) [01:24] There are 2146 known bugs in Launchpad without released fixes. The first seven by importance are: [01:24] * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, Confirmed, carlos [01:24] Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) [01:24] carlos, is this still blocked on Firefox support? If so, what is the next step for that? Does it have a bug number? [01:24] * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko [01:24] Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) [01:24] kiko, last week you said you'd look at the Oops report to see whether your changes had fixed the problem. Did they? [01:24] carlos: reniced, and crontab updated too [01:24] * Bug #85519 (Appserver leaving 'IDLE in transaction' connection open on launch), Critical, Confirmed, stub [01:24] Malone bug 85519 in launchpad "Appserver leaving 'IDLE in transaction' connection open on launch" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85519 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub) [01:24] mpt, they seem to have been made worse! [01:24] stub, any progress on this so far this week? [01:24] nope [01:24] mpt: yes, but carlos and myself switched tasks [01:25] mpt: I took over Firefox branch [01:25] kiko, are you sure, or have they been swamped by the general timeout problems? [01:25] mpt: so, I'll be working on that after all, and carlos will finish the ff stuff so we don't get stuck on my getting bored with ff branch [01:25] mpt, it's hard to tell tbh; let's see danilo's change [01:25] it's faster to finish the bits remaining there instead of extract the infrastructure [01:25] danilos, so 46982 should be assigned to you? [01:25] stub: cool, thanks [01:25] kiko, "danilo's change"? [01:25] stub, ok, thanks for the update [01:25] Re: ~vcs-imports/+registered-branches Oops, the branch refactoring has landed on rocketfuel which batches these views. I didn't think it was worth the effort backporting to production due to it only effecting robots. [01:26] * Bug #86171 (private), Critical, Confirmed, spiv, who's not here [01:26] Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private [01:26] mpt: danilo applied a small performance improvement change [01:26] mpt: that's right, I'll reassign it [01:26] ok, thanks danilos [01:26] * Bug #84361 (New translation form is too-wide), Critical, Fix Committed, carlos [01:26] Malone bug 84361 in rosetta "New translation form is too-wide" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84361 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) [01:26] carlos, did you succeed in getting a cherrypick? [01:26] ah, you've updated it, thanks :-) [01:26] * Bug #90384 (private), Critical, Confirmed, unassigned [01:26] Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private [01:26] Who should take this one? It's about Oops reports, so I guess jamesh? [01:26] mpt: yeah, and I already closed the bug (but too late to remove it from your list ;-) [01:27] * Bug #44 (Translations should be searchable), High, Confirmed, danilos [01:27] Malone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:27] danilos, will you have time to start this this week? === jamesh looks at the bug [01:27] Poor Rosetta developers, they're always swamped === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.181.171.186] has joined #launchpad [01:28] mpt: I doubt it, and since it will require db changes, I'll first have to discuss that with SteveA and kiko [01:28] danilos, ok [01:28] mpt: I'll handle it. [01:28] thanks james [01:28] h [01:28] (90384, that is) [01:28] That's all SteveA [01:28] thanks mpt! [01:28] * Bug tags [01:29] there are no proposed tags this week [01:29] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:29] Production systems running as normal. All pending cherry pick requests where rolled out a hour or three ago. Rosetta imports are hopefully going faster now. [01:29] beta has been running solidly - running HEAD code is working surprisingly well, and I think we have our test suite to thank for that. [01:29] Some odd timeouts are appearing on beta, with requests reported as having 20+ seconds of non-SQL time. If the reports are accurate, I have no idea what to blame for this apart from the Launchpad code as they are happening on both servers and the only common code on both is Launchpad (production and beta). [01:29] I am ready for our PostgreSQL 8.2 update. I have proposed Monday as the day to switch production over and am awaiting a reply from mdz. Downtime will be 2 hours. [01:29] A new production bitch will be starting soon (March 12th I think). Yay! Hopefully most of my production responsibilities can be transferred over the comming month. === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #launchpad [01:29] heya [01:30] does http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs time out for somebody else as well? [01:30] dholbach: welcome to the lp meeting :) [01:30] dholbach, yes [01:30] (with and without beta) [01:30] mpt: *WHINE* [01:30] I think we have our engineers to thank for the good code on beta. [01:30] We've just been discussing that [01:30] mpt: thanks a lot - I'll read up in the log === dholbach shuts up [01:30] thanks to everybody who's been landing quality changes carefully [01:30] kiko: I thought we had hackers here, not engineers [01:31] stub: will you be cherrypicking bug 90309 and re-enabling poexport-queue.txt test? [01:31] Malone bug 90309 in launchpad "poexport-queue.txt test disabled" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90309 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:31] stub, matsubara: I want you guys and the new "operational administrator" we'll be welcoming next week to have a regular weekly conference call [01:31] danilos: If it applies cleanly [01:31] kiko: I didn't land anything, so don't blame me :P [01:31] matsubara: I'd like you to be responsible for organising this call. Is that okay? [01:31] ddaa, we have those too, but they get caught in the firewall [01:31] stub: Will you announce to the launchpad list when you have a confirmed time for Monday's downtime? [01:32] mrevell: Sure [01:32] stub: it's a one line change, fwiw [01:32] SteveA: yes, it's fine. [01:32] stub: cool, thanks [01:32] thanks matsubara ! [01:32] mrevell: You want to handle -users, etc. as last time? [01:32] stub: Sure, will do. [01:32] stub: what benefits will using postgres 8.2 give us? [01:32] SteveA: but last time stub and I tried to have a weekly call we realized was bit redundant with things discussed in the lp weekly meeting [01:33] matsubara: it is, while things are working with no problems... [01:33] matsubara: but it's worth having a regular call slot, so that you can use it when there are problems [01:33] speed improvements, ability to rebuild indexes on the live system without blocking, UTF8 support in tsearch2 (required for translation searching amongst other things) [01:33] matsubara: particularly when only one person of the attendees realizes there's a problem [01:33] heh [01:33] SteveA: roger that. [01:34] stub, do you forsee that tom would be able to do DBA adjustments such as add indexes? [01:34] thanks stub [01:34] * Sysadmin requests [01:34] any sysadmin requests? [01:34] kiko: I expect I'll still be handling the DBA side of things, with tom handling rollouts and scripted updates. [01:35] mrevell: I spoke with elmo about the blog software [01:35] SteveA: Thanks. [01:35] How often should I nag about #92? [01:35] mrevell: he promised to get to it soon [01:35] mpt: what is it? [01:35] SteveA: Great news! :) [01:35] SteveA, it's about serving an up-to-date 503 error page [01:35] now open for over a year? [01:35] (one that doesn't say "Copyright 2004-2005" and have circa-September-2005 Launchpad stylezz) [01:35] we should get our 503 pages in good shape. [01:36] it's important [01:36] here's what I propose: [01:36] - make tom do it [01:36] - we have the 503 pages we want in a standard place in the launchpad tree [01:36] That can be our new answer for everything [01:36] who's tom? [01:36] - we tell the admins to take the page from there, when we ask for it [01:36] ddaa: new production bitch [01:37] mpt: where are the 503 pages we want, right now? [01:37] erm... 'operational administrator' [01:37] SteveA, I already asked for that in the RT request [01:37] SteveA, lib/canonical/launchpad/offline.html [01:37] SteveA: it is irrelevant until Apache is actually configured to serve the 503s, as pound doesn't do what we need it to. [01:37] (if there's a better place, let me know) [01:37] mpt: 503.html would be better [01:37] ok [01:38] and it should be in a directory specifically for "offline pages" [01:38] so offline/503.html [01:38] More than one? [01:38] I suppose pound treats a 503 from apache as "check the other app server" rather than showing it to the user [01:38] we have one for beta, one for production [01:39] and there are other 50x codes that we see from time to time [01:39] okie dokie [01:39] jamesh: pound helpfully assumes the document is plain text and wraps it in html [01:39] mpt: so perhaps classic-503.html, beta-503.html etc. [01:39] I suppose we don't want to be theming the beta 503 page as the new UI [01:39] since it would be visible to everyone [01:39] the beta one needs to direct people to the front page of the classic site [01:40] so they can disable their redirection for a while [01:40] (or better yet, turn off the redirection for them if that is possible) [01:40] mpt: please get these in good order, tell me when it's on mainline, and I'll talk with the admins then [01:40] stub: not better. [01:40] stub: it'll cause more confusion than anything else [01:40] jamesh: beta login page is already visible to everybody, afaik [01:40] jamesh: though, there's not much on it === koni [n=koni@unibz.it] has joined #launchpad [01:41] danilos: right -- it's not skinned [01:41] danilos: and doesn't use any of the new UI's style [01:41] ok, stop [01:41] So we don't want a beta-styled 503 page [01:41] mpt: correct [01:41] ok, stop [01:41] we're running over time [01:41] and looking at the list of HTTP codes I don't see any other 5xx codes we'd be interested in [01:41] and there are 4 more agenda items [01:41] ok, I'll report a bug and it can be discussed there [01:42] (actually, I'll use the existing bug report) [01:42] mrevell: I'd like to ask for your reports, but ask for no discussion of them, just reporting. [01:42] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [01:42] In yesterday's Launchpad user's meeting, I asked people to report issues that had frustrated them. Heno reported continued slowness with beta and asked for: [01:42] "instructions on how to use firebug sensibly and collect logs, or whatever it does" [01:42] Two people expressed their frustration at the lack of a fixed date for Feisty translations opening and suggested that the Launchpad team has been dismissive of Ubuntu translators. Danilo, Carlos and Kiko explained what work had been going on and explained how future Ubuntu translations openings will be improved. [01:42] I think we have an opportunity, once about.launchpad.net is set up, to communicate just what a great job the Rosetta guys are doing. A "day in the life" article might show that the Rosetta guys are human and that they are working hard. [01:43] thanks [01:43]