[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90500 in malone "Project group Bugs page has no link for reporting a bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90500
[12:23] <mooey> howdy. i'm trying to push bug 88158 upstream, but launchpad doesn't seem to have an upstream product for ontv
[12:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88158 in ontv "[feisty]  OnTV does not show 24-hour clock properly" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88158 - Assigned to Chris Rose (chris-vault5)
[12:24] <mooey> the bugs are tracked in gnome bugzilla, not sure what to do about that
[12:24] <mpt> mooey, you could register the ontv product in Launchpad yourself
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90502 in launchpad "class="highlight" and class="highlighted" shouldn't coexist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90502
[12:28] <mooey> mpt, done :-) ty
[12:29] <mpt> and let Launchpad know that it uses bugzilla.gnome.org as it's bugtracker
[12:29] <lifeless> barry: ping
[12:29] <barry> lifeless: pong
[12:29] <lifeless> did you see my note yesterday about spamming from your server in response to bugs ?
[12:30] <lifeless> I have the mail sent out which I can forward you if you want
[12:30] <lifeless> it starts out 'This is an automated response.  I have received your message, but'
[12:30] <barry> i've gotten quite a few messages on that, but i don't remember yours specifically ;)
[12:30] <barry> a couple of things:
[12:31] <barry> this is really caused by a (reported bug) in lp because it doesn't add Precedence: bulk header to outgoing messages.  it should, and that would prevent the replybot from replying.  i think you'd get the same spam from someone who used vacation on a subscribed address.
[12:32] <lifeless> well, I'm not ascribing blame
[12:32] <barry> until that bug gets fixed (but maybe permanently anyway) i've switched my contact address to barry@canonical.com so no more replybot
[12:32] <lifeless> I just dont want users reporting bugs in bzr to get this response
[12:32] <lifeless> ok thats cool, thanks.
[12:32] <barry> lifeless: no, me neither, but it's a good thing for lp to add that header for the future
[12:33] <barry> np!  i know that'll make the 10 or so people who pinged me today about that happy :)
[12:33] <kiko> barry, hey, I'll r= a patch which adds that header. I hear you have pqm access!
[12:33] <barry> kiko: friday /is/ coming up soon :)
[12:34] <kiko> it all adds up
[12:34] <barry> this'll be a fun one for FiF!
[12:37] <lifeless> mpt: btw, for the evo guys, there is an answer to their response 'be generous in what you accept'
[12:37] <lifeless> founding concept in the IETF
[12:37] <mpt> lifeless, yes, Postel's Law
[12:37] <mpt> I've been trying to think of a nice way of putting it, though
[12:38] <lifeless> bluntly I think
[12:38] <mpt> i.e. one that actually gets the bug fixed in Evolution instead of just irritating them :-)
[12:38] <lifeless> :)
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90534 in launchpad-bazaar ""Related Branch" table in confusing location with confusing data and confusing columns" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90534
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90537 in launchpad-bazaar "add action "import to Bazaar"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90537
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90545 in launchpad "beta.launchpad.net doesn't display correctly in IE7" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90545
[04:32] <asepn> ngbrol
[04:40] <asepn> exit
[06:11] <jml> RAOF_: hi
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90561 in launchpad "Broken link to "Register a spec"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90561
[06:48] <RAOF> jml: Hi.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> wow, a fair few bugs for malone there
[07:22] <Hobbsee> and launchpad
[09:14] <carlos_> morning
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #44390 in malone "Bug number entries should allow "#n"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44390
[12:33] <ddaa> Good morning.
[12:51] <cprov> morning folks
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hey cprov 
[12:54] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi there
[12:55] <statik> morning
[12:56] <bac> hello
[12:56] <cprov> Before you start to complain about me and delays in my emails, let me blame my oddness and warn that I won't have emails back for the next 4 hours (my server link is broken).
[01:00] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad developers' meeting.  For the next 45 minutes we'll be coordinating and reporting on the state of Launchpad development.
[01:00] <SteveA> Who is here today?
[01:00] <cprov> me
[01:00] <danilos> me
[01:00] <BjornT> me
[01:00] <barry> me
[01:00] <bac> me
[01:00] <matsubara> me
[01:00] <statik> me
[01:00] <sinzui> maybe me
[01:00] <salgado> me
[01:00] <mpt> me
[01:00] <mrevell> me
[01:00] <flacoste> me
[01:01] <ddaa> here
[01:01] <ddaa> jml not here but ddaa is
[01:01] <ddaa> thumper not here but ddaa is
[01:01] <danilos> carlos?
[01:01] <SteveA> ddaa: are you acting as the envoy for the bzr launchpad team?
[01:01] <carlos> me
[01:01] <SteveA> spiv sends apologies
[01:01] <ddaa> SteveA: yes
[01:01] <danilos> stu1?
[01:01] <heno> me
[01:01] <SteveA> thanks ddaa
[01:02] <SteveA> matsubara: kiko still out biking?
[01:03] <bigjools> me
[01:03] <cprov> bigjools: welcome to your first lp meeting 
[01:03] <matsubara> SteveA: jus tarrived
[01:03] <jamesh> me
[01:03] <SteveA> welcome bigjools!
[01:03] <bigjools> hello!
[01:03] <barry> welcome bigjools
[01:03] <SteveA> welcome sinzui 
[01:03] <stu1> me
[01:03] <stub> and me
[01:03] <barry> welcome sinzui
[01:03] <kiko-afk> me
[01:03] <cprov> sinzui: welcome dude !
[01:03] <salgado> welcome bigjools and sinzui!
[01:04] <mrevell> welcome :)
[01:04] <bac> welcome guys
[01:04] <bigjools> thanks all!
[01:04] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Bug report (mpt)
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:04] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:05] <SteveA> ----
[01:05] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[01:05] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[01:05] <SteveA> ----
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[01:05] <SteveA> 
[01:05] <SteveA> next meeting...
[01:05] <SteveA> Now that we have the bzr launchpad team having a separate meeting, accounting for almost all of the australasians
[01:05] <SteveA> and we have more people more to the west
[01:05] <mpt> uh oh
[01:06] <SteveA> I want to look at having the weekly launchpad meeting at a different time
[01:06] <kiko> wow, really?
[01:06] <SteveA> I'll talk with mpt and stub about this after the meeting
[01:06] <SteveA> and jamesh, as they are the most easterly people here
[01:07] <danilos> SteveA: where's that Wiki page which had a table of what time suits everybody?
[01:07] <SteveA> for now, same time next week please
[01:07] <jamesh> westerly, actually
[01:07] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[01:07] <stub> Up to date
[01:07] <jamesh> oops.  stub and me are the most westerly of the australians
[01:07] <SteveA> I suck, again.  Who can report perfect activity reporting today?
[01:07] <mpt> up to date
[01:07] <kiko> no
[01:07] <jamesh> not up to date
[01:07] <danilos> up to date
[01:07] <bac> up to date
[01:07] <ddaa> here
[01:07] <ddaa> jml not here but ddaa is
[01:07] <ddaa> thumper not here but ddaa is
[01:07] <BjornT> up to date
[01:08] <flacoste> up to date
[01:08] <ddaa> oops
[01:08] <ddaa> up to date
 up to date
 up to date
[01:08] <barry> up to date
[01:08] <matsubara> not up to date
[01:08] <cprov> not up to date (again)
[01:08] <salgado> up to date
[01:08] <SteveA> spiv: My activity reports are up to date.
[01:08] <sinzui> up to date
[01:08] <statik> up to date (just sent missing reports)
[01:08] <SteveA> or rather:
 My activity reports are up to date.
[01:08] <bigjools> kinda up to date if you ignore the potentially very boring ones I'd be doing for my first few days :)
[01:08] <mrevell> up to date
[01:08] <matsubara> danilos: https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingTimes
[01:10] <danilos> matsubara: thanks
[01:10] <SteveA> on the notes for the last meeting, I have:
[01:10] <SteveA> == People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==
[01:10] <SteveA>  * carlos
[01:10] <SteveA>  * cprov
[01:10] <SteveA>  * danilos
[01:10] <SteveA>  * jamesh
[01:10] <SteveA>  * kiko
[01:10] <SteveA>  * stub
[01:10] <SteveA>  * SteveA
[01:10] <SteveA> (mpt, I should be on that list too)
[01:11] <danilos> SteveA: do you want to ask "new" people like mrevell, bigjools, statik, sinzui to fill the table at https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingTimes so you can better decide when to hold a meeting?
[01:11] <mpt> SteveA, you weren't there to say whether you were up to date or not, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt :-)
[01:11] <SteveA> mpt: ok, thanks :-)
[01:11] <SteveA> carlos: please do send those couple of days
[01:11] <barry> danilos: i'll fill out a row after this meeting
[01:11] <mrevell> danilos: same here
[01:11] <SteveA> cprov: please start again today
[01:12] <bac> danilos: me too
[01:12] <carlos> steveA: Will do, yes
[01:12] <SteveA> danilos: well done for being up to date this week
[01:12] <danilos> barry: thanks (and sorry for missing you and bac out, there are a lot of new people in the team :))
[01:12] <SteveA> jamesh: please send a summary report today
[01:12] <jamesh> okay
[01:12] <SteveA> kiko: you know what to do ;-)
[01:12] <cprov> SteveA: sure, as soon as I can get my emails again (within 2 or 3 hours)
[01:12] <barry> danilos: no problem! it's kind of like getting carded, but maybe in reverse :)
[01:12] <SteveA> stub: well done for getting up to date
[01:12] <SteveA> SteveA: you suck ;-)
[01:13] <SteveA> everyone else, well done.
[01:13] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:14] <SteveA>  * '''jamesh''' and '''BjornT''' to agree on a proper fix to the problem of unregistered subscribers to imported bug reports
[01:14] <SteveA>  * '''SteveA''' and '''mpt''' to have a UI catchup
[01:14] <mpt> we did
[01:14] <SteveA> great
[01:14] <SteveA> spiv mailed me to say:
[01:14] <SteveA> Oh, and regarding the action item for bug 86171 (if there is one, I forget):
[01:14] <SteveA> I've updated the bug.  There's a very very weird problem I've encountered in
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
[01:14] <SteveA> writing the test for it.
[01:14] <SteveA> 
[01:14] <SteveA> jamesh, BjornT ?
[01:15] <BjornT> jamesh and i haven't agreed to a proper fix yet
[01:15] <jamesh> I think the correct course of action is to verify the created accounts from the schooltool import
[01:15] <BjornT> jamesh: can you respond to the relevant e-mails? or should we have a call or something?
[01:15] <SteveA> I guess this is quite important to fix before the zope import
[01:16] <BjornT> if it's possible, i'd prefer if the imported users could be verified, though.
[01:16] <jamesh> and do the same for the zope import.  Then decide what should be done.
[01:16] <SteveA> what's it to be:  a call, or responding to emails?
[01:16] <jamesh> I'll respond to the email.
[01:16] <SteveA> cool
[01:16] <BjornT> SteveA: well, if jamesh is happy with verifying the users that's ok with me.
[01:16] <SteveA> that's all the meeting actions from last week
[01:16] <jamesh> BjornT: we can identify the created accounts via the creation rationale
[01:16] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:16] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bug 90386 and yesterday's timeouts.
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Bug 90386 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90386 is private
[01:16] <matsubara> I welcome developers to comment on bug 90386. It's a private bug, so I'm not sure if it's ok to discuss it here.
[01:17] <matsubara> Yesterday we had lots of complains about launchpad timing out. Checking today's report, we can see a huge increase in the number of timeouts on production and beta. The majority of those timeouts are on gangotri (production1 - oops prefix A). lifeless checked the production servers yesterday and told me that rosetta import was chewing up loads of cpu time and re-niced it. stub, was this the cause behind those time outs?
[01:17] <stub> no idea. if so, it wouldn't explain the similar timeouts from gandwana.
[01:18] <matsubara> indeed, so it's probably something else.
[01:18] <stub> If it is poimport, they may go away as of a few hours ago with the last rosetta cherry pick.
[01:18] <kiko> lifeless also reniced the script
[01:19] <matsubara> stub: is it possible to find something out looking at those machines logs?
[01:19] <kiko> which may have helped
[01:19] <carlos> stub: please ,renice it again as we killed it
[01:19] <carlos> just in case
[01:19] <stub> (from my production report) Some odd timeouts are appearing on beta, with requests reported as having 20+ seconds of non-SQL time. If the reports are accurate, I have no idea what to blame for this apart from the Launchpad code as they are happening on both servers and the only common code on both is Launchpad (production and beta).
[01:19] <SteveA> maybe, like, we should run scripts on a different machine than app servers?
[01:20] <SteveA> stub: possible the servers were swapping?
[01:20] <SteveA> or had IO starvation?
[01:20] <stub> If the app servers stopped accepting connections when they got loaded, it wouldn't matter due to the load balancer.
[01:21] <stub> Not that I can tell. I'm no Linux expert though.
[01:21] <SteveA> stub: please ask the admins to check their logs
[01:21] <ddaa> had a lot of overruns on the branch scanner tonight (running on gandwana), might be load, or might be mplayer and samba imports going through.
[01:21] <stub> SteveA: check their logs for what?
[01:22] <stub> oh... io starvation, swap etc.
[01:22] <SteveA> to see if the servers in question had any issues
[01:23] <SteveA> matsubara: anything more on the oops report?
[01:24] <matsubara> done here SteveA, thanks.
[01:24] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[01:24] <SteveA>  * Bug report (mpt)
[01:24] <mpt> There are 2146 known bugs in Launchpad without released fixes. The first seven by importance are:
[01:24] <mpt>  * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, Confirmed, carlos
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:24] <mpt> carlos, is this still blocked on Firefox support? If so, what is the next step for that? Does it have a bug number?
[01:24] <mpt>  * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[01:24] <mpt> kiko, last week you said you'd look at the Oops report to see whether your changes had fixed the problem. Did they?
[01:24] <stub> carlos: reniced, and crontab updated too
[01:24] <mpt>  * Bug #85519 (Appserver leaving 'IDLE in transaction' connection open on launch), Critical, Confirmed, stub
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85519 in launchpad "Appserver leaving 'IDLE in transaction' connection open on launch" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85519 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)
[01:24] <kiko> mpt, they seem to have been made worse!
[01:24] <mpt> stub, any progress on this so far this week?
[01:24] <stub> nope
[01:24] <danilos> mpt: yes, but carlos and myself switched tasks
[01:25] <carlos> mpt: I took over Firefox branch
[01:25] <mpt> kiko, are you sure, or have they been swamped by the general timeout problems?
[01:25] <danilos> mpt: so, I'll be working on that after all, and carlos will finish the ff stuff so we don't get stuck on my getting bored with ff branch
[01:25] <kiko> mpt, it's hard to tell tbh; let's see danilo's change
[01:25] <carlos> it's faster to finish the bits remaining there instead of extract the infrastructure
[01:25] <mpt> danilos, so 46982 should be assigned to you?
[01:25] <carlos> stub: cool, thanks
[01:25] <mpt> kiko, "danilo's change"?
[01:25] <mpt> stub, ok, thanks for the update
 Re: ~vcs-imports/+registered-branches Oops, the branch refactoring has landed on rocketfuel which batches these views.  I didn't think it was worth the  effort backporting to production due to it only effecting robots.
[01:26] <mpt>  * Bug #86171 (private), Critical, Confirmed, spiv, who's not here
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
[01:26] <carlos> mpt: danilo applied a small performance improvement change
[01:26] <danilos> mpt: that's right, I'll reassign it
[01:26] <mpt> ok, thanks danilos 
[01:26] <mpt>  * Bug #84361 (New translation form is too-wide), Critical, Fix Committed, carlos
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84361 in rosetta "New translation form is too-wide" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84361 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:26] <mpt> carlos, did you succeed in getting a cherrypick?
[01:26] <mpt> ah, you've updated it, thanks :-)
[01:26] <mpt>  * Bug #90384 (private), Critical, Confirmed, unassigned
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[01:26] <mpt> Who should take this one? It's about Oops reports, so I guess jamesh?
[01:26] <carlos> mpt: yeah, and I already closed the bug (but too late to remove it from your list ;-)
[01:27] <mpt>  * Bug #44 (Translations should be searchable), High, Confirmed, danilos
[01:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:27] <mpt> danilos, will you have time to start this this week?
[01:27] <mpt> Poor Rosetta developers, they're always swamped
[01:28] <danilos> mpt: I doubt it, and since it will require db changes, I'll first have to discuss that with SteveA and kiko
[01:28] <mpt> danilos, ok
[01:28] <jamesh> mpt: I'll handle it.
[01:28] <mpt> thanks james
[01:28] <mpt> h
[01:28] <jamesh> (90384, that is)
[01:28] <mpt> That's all SteveA 
[01:28] <SteveA> thanks mpt!
[01:28] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[01:29] <SteveA> there are no proposed tags this week
[01:29] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:29] <stub> Production systems running as normal. All pending cherry pick requests where rolled out a hour or three ago. Rosetta imports are hopefully going faster now.
[01:29] <stub> beta has been running solidly - running HEAD code is working surprisingly well, and I think we have our test suite to thank for that.
[01:29] <stub> Some odd timeouts are appearing on beta, with requests reported as having 20+ seconds of non-SQL time. If the reports are accurate, I have no idea what to blame for this apart from the Launchpad code as they are happening on both servers and the only common code on both is Launchpad (production and beta).
[01:29] <stub> I am ready for our PostgreSQL 8.2 update. I have proposed Monday as the day to switch production over and am awaiting a reply from mdz. Downtime will be 2 hours.
[01:29] <stub> A new production bitch will be starting soon (March 12th I think). Yay! Hopefully most of my production responsibilities can be transferred over the comming month.
[01:29] <dholbach> heya
[01:30] <dholbach> does http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs time out for somebody else as well?
[01:30] <danilos> dholbach: welcome to the lp meeting :)
[01:30] <mpt> dholbach, yes
[01:30] <dholbach> (with and without beta)
[01:30] <dholbach> mpt: *WHINE*
[01:30] <kiko> I think we have our engineers to thank for the good code on beta.
[01:30] <mpt> We've just been discussing that
[01:30] <dholbach> mpt: thanks a lot - I'll read up in the log
[01:30] <kiko> thanks to everybody who's been landing quality changes carefully
[01:30] <ddaa> kiko: I thought we had hackers here, not engineers
[01:31] <danilos> stub: will you be cherrypicking bug 90309 and re-enabling poexport-queue.txt test?
[01:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90309 in launchpad "poexport-queue.txt test disabled" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90309 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:31] <SteveA> stub, matsubara: I want you guys and the new "operational administrator" we'll be welcoming next week to have a regular weekly conference call
[01:31] <stub> danilos: If it applies cleanly
[01:31] <danilos> kiko: I didn't land anything, so don't blame me :P
[01:31] <SteveA> matsubara: I'd like you to be responsible for organising this call.  Is that okay?
[01:31] <kiko> ddaa, we have those too, but they get caught in the firewall
[01:31] <mrevell> stub: Will you announce to the launchpad list when you have a confirmed time for Monday's downtime?
[01:32] <stub> mrevell: Sure
[01:32] <danilos> stub: it's a one line change, fwiw
[01:32] <matsubara> SteveA: yes, it's fine.
[01:32] <mrevell> stub: cool, thanks
[01:32] <SteveA> thanks matsubara !
[01:32] <stub> mrevell: You want to handle -users, etc. as last time?
[01:32] <mrevell> stub: Sure, will do.
[01:32] <SteveA> stub: what benefits will using postgres 8.2 give us?
[01:32] <matsubara> SteveA: but last time stub and I tried to have a weekly call we realized was bit redundant with things discussed in the lp weekly meeting
[01:33] <SteveA> matsubara: it is, while things are working with no problems...
[01:33] <SteveA> matsubara: but it's worth having a regular call slot, so that you can use it when there are problems
[01:33] <stub> speed improvements, ability to rebuild indexes on the live system without blocking, UTF8 support in tsearch2 (required for translation searching amongst other things)
[01:33] <SteveA> matsubara: particularly when only one person of the attendees realizes there's a problem
[01:33] <kiko> heh
[01:33] <matsubara> SteveA: roger that.
[01:34] <kiko> stub, do you forsee that tom would be able to do DBA adjustments such as add indexes?
[01:34] <SteveA> thanks stub
[01:34] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:34] <SteveA> any sysadmin requests?
[01:34] <stub> kiko: I expect I'll still be handling the DBA side of things, with tom handling rollouts and scripted updates.
[01:35] <SteveA> mrevell: I spoke with elmo about the blog software
[01:35] <mrevell> SteveA: Thanks.
[01:35] <mpt> How often should I nag about #92?
[01:35] <SteveA> mrevell: he promised to get to it soon
[01:35] <SteveA> mpt: what is it?
[01:35] <mrevell> SteveA: Great news! :)
[01:35] <mpt> SteveA, it's about serving an up-to-date 503 error page
[01:35] <stub> now open for over a year?
[01:35] <mpt> (one that doesn't say "Copyright 2004-2005" and have circa-September-2005 Launchpad stylezz)
[01:35] <SteveA> we should get our 503 pages in good shape.
[01:36] <SteveA> it's important
[01:36] <SteveA> here's what I propose:
[01:36] <stub> - make tom do it
[01:36] <SteveA>  - we have the 503 pages we want in a standard place in the launchpad tree
[01:36] <mpt> That can be our new answer for everything
[01:36] <ddaa> who's tom?
[01:36] <SteveA>  - we tell the admins to take the page from there, when we ask for it
[01:36] <stub> ddaa: new production bitch
[01:37] <SteveA> mpt: where are the 503 pages we want, right now?
[01:37] <stub> erm... 'operational administrator'
[01:37] <mpt> SteveA, I already asked for that in the RT request
[01:37] <mpt> SteveA, lib/canonical/launchpad/offline.html
[01:37] <stub> SteveA: it is irrelevant until Apache is actually configured to serve the 503s, as pound doesn't do what we need it to.
[01:37] <mpt> (if there's a better place, let me know)
[01:37] <SteveA> mpt: 503.html would be better
[01:37] <mpt> ok
[01:38] <SteveA> and it should be in a directory specifically for "offline pages"
[01:38] <SteveA> so offline/503.html
[01:38] <mpt> More than one?
[01:38] <jamesh> I suppose pound treats a 503 from apache as "check the other app server" rather than showing it to the user
[01:38] <SteveA> we have one for beta, one for production
[01:39] <SteveA> and there are other 50x codes that we see from time to time
[01:39] <mpt> okie dokie
[01:39] <stub> jamesh: pound helpfully assumes the document is plain text and wraps it in html
[01:39] <SteveA> mpt: so perhaps classic-503.html, beta-503.html etc.
[01:39] <jamesh> I suppose we don't want to be theming the beta 503 page as the new UI
[01:39] <jamesh> since it would be visible to everyone
[01:39] <SteveA> the beta one needs to direct people to the front page of the classic site
[01:40] <SteveA> so they can disable their redirection for a while
[01:40] <stub> (or better yet, turn off the redirection for them if that is possible)
[01:40] <SteveA> mpt: please get these in good order, tell me when it's on mainline, and I'll talk with the admins then
[01:40] <SteveA> stub: not better.
[01:40] <SteveA> stub: it'll cause more confusion than anything else
[01:40] <danilos> jamesh: beta login page is already visible to everybody, afaik
[01:40] <danilos> jamesh: though, there's not much on it
[01:41] <SteveA> danilos: right -- it's not skinned
[01:41] <jamesh> danilos: and doesn't use any of the new UI's style
[01:41] <SteveA> ok, stop
[01:41] <mpt> So we don't want a beta-styled 503 page
[01:41] <SteveA> mpt: correct
[01:41] <SteveA> ok, stop
[01:41] <SteveA> we're running over time
[01:41] <mpt> and looking at the list of HTTP codes I don't see any other 5xx codes we'd be interested in
[01:41] <SteveA> and there are 4 more agenda items
[01:41] <mpt> ok, I'll report a bug and it can be discussed there
[01:42] <mpt> (actually, I'll use the existing bug report)
[01:42] <SteveA> mrevell: I'd like to ask for your reports, but ask for no discussion of them, just reporting.
[01:42] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[01:42] <mrevell> In yesterday's Launchpad user's meeting, I asked people to report issues that had frustrated them. Heno reported continued slowness with beta and asked for:
[01:42] <mrevell> "instructions on how to use firebug sensibly and collect logs, or whatever it does"
[01:42] <mrevell> Two people expressed their frustration at the lack of a fixed date for Feisty translations opening and suggested that the Launchpad team has been dismissive of Ubuntu translators. Danilo, Carlos and Kiko explained what work had been going on and explained how future Ubuntu translations openings will be improved.
[01:42] <mrevell> I think we have an opportunity, once about.launchpad.net is set up, to communicate just what a great job the Rosetta guys are doing. A "day in the life" article might show that the Rosetta guys are human and that they are working hard.
[01:43] <SteveA> thanks
[01:43] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[01:43] <mrevell> Apologies, the buzz report was one day late this week. I sent it to the list this morning. I'm working with stub on improve metrics.
[01:43] <kiko> danilos is human?
[01:43] <mrevell> kiko: I have no proof
[01:43] <danilos> kiko: SteveA said *no* discussion!
[01:44] <kiko> next!
[01:44] <danilos> :)
[01:44] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:44] <danilos> Rosetta 1.0  weekly report:
[01:44] <danilos> - firefox import/export: switched tasks, now carlos on it
[01:44] <danilos> - oo import/export: no progress this week
[01:44] <danilos> - essential docs: no progress this week
[01:44] <danilos> - TranslationImportContinuityThreshold: no progress this week
[01:44] <danilos> - UI stuff: bug 79674 (small progress, start page modified, new page missing)
[01:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79674 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:44] <mpt> UI 1.0: No substantial achievements this week, except SteveA implemented the mechanism for multiple page layouts.
[01:44] <BjornT> Malone 1.0:
[01:44] <BjornT> malone-essential-docs: No progress since last week. bjornt still to send an e-mail to matthew r describing what information the different sections should contain in more detail.
[01:44] <ddaa> Code 1.0: I think the only bit missing is a page for "import your project"
[01:44] <flacoste> AnswerTracker 1.0: rename almost complete, URL renaming compled and will land after 1.0 roll-out, database rename in review. Rename in public doc will be done once beta becomes public.
[01:45] <cprov> Soyuz 1.0:  nothing relevant for 1.0 series this week.
[01:45] <SteveA> thanks
[01:45] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[01:46] <ddaa> DONE: complete-revisions for review, code import ui fixes, small fixes, lots of discussion
[01:46] <ddaa> TODO: land complete-revisions, fill in jml on some items out of my todo list, review automatic-bug-branch-link spec again. 
[01:46] <ddaa> BLOCKED: complete-revisions review
 DONE: landed branch redirection (removing +branch from traversal tree), landed branch view refactoring, working on private branches
 TODO: continue working on private branches, dbschema refactoring
[01:46] <flacoste> DONE: AnswerTracker DB renameing, bug fixes, reviews, wrote check-sampledata.py
[01:46] <flacoste> TODO: sprint
[01:46] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
 BLOCKED: scanner-email still blocked on complete-revisions branch landing
[01:46] <barry> DONE: PyCon catchup, mm/lp integration roadmap draft
[01:46] <barry> TODO: expenses, mm/lp milestones, get back to xmlrpc
[01:46] <barry> BLOCKED: none
 DONE: Commit message UI. Bug branch linking spec.
[01:46] <BjornT> DONE: code reviews. fixed a number of bugs.
[01:46] <BjornT> TODO: code reviews. fix more bugs, mostly related to 1.0.
[01:46] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[01:46] <danilos> DONE: bug 90309, poimport use proper index fix + profiling, rosetta-users and launchpad-users, re-assigned ff task, ooo migration script, 1.0 ui page
[01:46] <danilos> TODO: ooo migration script, lots of bugfixing, licensing
[01:46] <danilos> BLOCKED: no
[01:46] <bac> DONE: Submit proposal LP at UbuntuLive, begin work on file mgmt (upload/download), setup local bugzilla
[01:46] <bac> TODO: Work with Elliot to finish file mgmt spec, attend Z3 training (Sat-Tues)
 TODO: Bug branch linking. revprop ui for bzr.
[01:46] <bac> BLOCKED: No
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90309 in launchpad "poexport-queue.txt test disabled" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90309 - Assigned to   (danilo)
 DONE: fix a bunch more bzr smart server problems, reviews
 TODO: reviews, bzr smart server
 BLOCKED: no
 BLOCKED: no (but it would very nice if complete-revisions-landing landed)
[01:46] <salgado> DONE: Wrote the person's table of contributions, some random fixes, tweaks to the image widget, including an unsuccessful attempt of making it simpler and some code review
[01:46] <salgado> TODO: Land all branches which are on the review queue, code review and shipit
[01:46] <salgado> BLOCKED: No
[01:46] <mrevell> DONE: Dealt with community situation, worked on docs spec, worked on beta tester guide, buzz and usage report, made announcements/apologies, prepared PQM log to hand over to Joey, first user meeting, irc user support, worked on pain points.
[01:46] <mrevell> TODO: Finish doc spec, finish beta reviewer guide, sort commercial presentation for Maria, produce 1.0 microsite content, hand over FiF and PQM log to Joey, another user meeting, and work on pain points.
[01:46] <mrevell> BLOCKED: about.launchpad.net by RT.
[01:46] <matsubara> DONE: triage, fixed #30277, checking oops reports, fixed beta configs to be equal to production, investigated timeout problems.
[01:46] <matsubara> TODO: more triage, more oops reports, .
[01:46] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no 
[01:46] <statik> DONE: working with customers, working on filedownloads, recruiting
[01:46] <statik> TODO: the same
[01:46] <statik> Blocked: no
[01:46] <jamesh> DONE: code review, robots.txt for codebrowse, fix codebrowse for branch names with dots
[01:46] <jamesh> TODO: code review, storm integration, bug imports
[01:46] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[01:46] <cprov> DONE: Fix #89846, #89260, #52025, #78672, #85732 and 70 % done on nascentupload-cataclysm (NUC)
[01:46] <cprov> TODO: merge NUC, remove warty/hoary from archive, backport recent changes to PPA
[01:46] <cprov> BLOCKED: no
[01:46] <SteveA> DONE: pycon, management, ui
[01:46] <SteveA> TODO: management, ui
[01:46] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[01:46] <carlos> DONE: Feisty translations babysitting, virtual hosting fixes for translations.launchpad.net, bug #70074, Native Firefox support
[01:46] <carlos> TODO: Native Firefox Support, Meet with Danilo to improve Ubuntu import process
[01:46] <carlos> BLOCKED: No
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:47] <mpt> DONE: Menu cleanup; bug fixes; inducting new Brilliant developer
[01:47] <mpt> TODO: review OneZero specs and finish implementing them
[01:47] <mpt> BLOCKED: no
[01:47] <kiko> DONE: interviews, report, assist julian's intro, coding work with cprov, salgado, matsubara
[01:47] <kiko> TODO: clear out dirty trees
[01:47] <kiko> BLOCKED: no
[01:48] <sinzui> DONE: setup rocketfuel
[01:48] <sinzui> TODO: report bugs found in edgy ftests, list of issues for flacoste
[01:48] <sinzui> BLOCKED: no
[01:48] <SteveA> thanks everyone
[01:48] <stub> DONE: PostgreSQL 8.2 prep work
[01:48] <stub> TODO: PostgreSQL 8.2 upgrade, OpenID
[01:48] <stub> BLOKED: no
[01:48] <SteveA> I don't see any BLOCKED issues that haven't been mentioned already
[01:48] <ddaa> can I have my complete-revisions-landing review, pretty please?
[01:49] <SteveA> ddaa: who needs to do that?
[01:49] <ddaa> salgado
[01:49] <salgado> I'm finishing it
[01:49] <SteveA> cool
[01:49] <SteveA> thanks everyone
[01:49] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[01:49] <salgado> today!
 Also, perhaps Tasmania should be detached from the Australian mainland and moved to the Mediterranean.
[01:50] <SteveA> apologies for runningn 5 mins over
[01:50] <kiko> thanks stever
[01:50] <mrevell> thanks all
[01:50] <bac> SteveA: can you look at the Terms of Service fix in your review queue?
[01:50] <bac> mrevell: good job on the meeting yesterday
[01:50] <barry> time for coffee!
[01:50] <SteveA> bac: ok, thanks
[01:50] <mrevell> bac: Thanks :) Plenty of room for improvement, though
[01:50] <sinzui> ddaa: Tasmania goes to Siberia. Wont they be surprised in the morning?
[01:51] <ddaa> sinzui: http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtml
[01:52] <sinzui> ddaa: ha
[01:52] <ddaa> sinzui: Siberia wouldn't do
[01:52] <ddaa> besides, Tasmania is an island, how could it go to Siberia?
[01:53] <stub> SteveA: So you wanted to talk to me and James re: meeting time?
[01:54] <SteveA> stub: yes, but perhaps not today.  I will email.
[01:54] <mpt> ddaa, the same way India did
[01:54] <heno> my sister once shot at a polar bear in Siberia
[01:55] <heno> (that's not even a monty python moose ref. joke)
[01:55] <ddaa> mpt: according to geologists, India is just humping Siberia
[01:56] <mpt> Second base!
[01:56] <sinzui> ddaa: well first I locate Australia on the map. the I ask What's Tasmania doing there? I cut it out. Then I paste it in Siberia.
[01:57] <ddaa> SteveA: you're not making any sense
[02:15] <salgado> mpt, ping, ping
[02:50] <ddaa> salgado: huge branch? complete-revision-landing is less than 2k diff lines...
[02:51] <ddaa> large, yes, but not huge...
[03:22] <gnomefreak> still cant file bug reports. this time i have a trace back
[03:23] <matsubara> gnomefreak: do you have the oops id?
[03:24] <gnomefreak> Include the error ID  OOPS-432BB597  in your message.
[03:24] <gnomefreak> yep :) always
[03:24] <gnomefreak> its oopsing all over the place atm
[03:25] <gnomefreak> here is another one nclude the error ID  OOPS-432BB596  in your message.
[03:25] <gnomefreak> OOPS-432BD622
[03:26] <matsubara> you got tracebacks on all of them?
[03:26] <gnomefreak> no just the first one
[03:26] <gnomefreak> matsubara: the first one i was attaching something to a bug the last 2 were trying to report a bug
[03:29] <matsubara> right, thanks for the info gnomefreak. we're investigating the timeout problems. A traceback should never be displayed to users, though. When you get those would you be kind enough to mail them directly to me: diogo.matsubara@canonical.com? (or if you prefere you can privmsg me them here on IRC)
[03:30] <gnomefreak> want this one that i got 
[03:31] <gnomefreak> crap i think i closed it already
[03:31] <matsubara> gnomefreak: I already took note of the ones above.
[03:31] <gnomefreak> k
[03:32] <gnomefreak> i will mail it to you if i see it again
[03:32] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:34] <Kmos> bug 90621
[03:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90621 in firefox "Firefox crashed.." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90621
[03:35] <Kmos> :)
[03:35] <gnomefreak> Kmos: attach the full crash report please. is this edgy or feisty?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> nope, out of luck
[03:48] <Hobbsee> If this is blocking your work, let us know on the launchpad-users mailing list (requires subscription). Include the error ID  OOPS-432BB619  in your message.
[03:49] <kiko> stub, can you please do some research into why we're getting so many timeouts with beta?
[03:50] <kiko> stub, before you leave for the day.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> kiko: it's been like this for weeks.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> kiko: just seems worse today
[03:50] <kiko> Hobbsee, timing out? no, it's a lot worse since yesterday
[03:51] <Hobbsee> 20+ second load times seem to have been standard in the last few weeks
[03:51] <Hobbsee> which is unacceptable for a simple webpage.
[03:51] <kiko> even when you're in australia
[03:51] <Hobbsee> kiko: true that
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hah.  yes
[03:52] <Hobbsee> kiko: i dread the thought of doing bug triage, or where i'm trying to use LP for a long period of time.  i suspect that'll just induce head bashing.
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90628 in launchpad "Subscribers to a spec are randomly arranged" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90628
[04:03] <Kmos> gnomefreak: it's edgy.. i'm submitting the crash report 34.5 mb
[04:03] <gnomefreak> Kmos: ty :)
[04:04] <Kmos> gnomefreak: I'm Gothic..
[04:04] <Kmos> so u're vivirito =))
[04:04] <gnomefreak> yep 
[04:06] <jkbys> Hi all, would you tell me whether importing templates for feisty had finished or not yet?
[04:08] <kiko> not yet
[04:08] <jkbys> thanks
[04:10] <seb128> kiko: do you know if somebody is working at fixing lp to no timeout on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs for example?
[04:10] <kiko> seb128, I wish I could say stub, but I'll look into it
[04:10] <seb128> thank you
[04:10] <seb128> that's not on beta
[04:11] <seb128> that's on normal production lp
[04:11] <dholbach> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimmie/+bugs times out too (not on beta) - which should be around 6-7 bugs
[04:34] <Kmos> gnomefreak: can i dcc send it to you ?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> no need if you attached it to bug
[04:35] <Kmos> it give me 500 internal error
[04:35] <Kmos> 500 Internal Server Error
[04:35] <Kmos> An internal server error occurred. Please try again later.
[04:40] <kiko> Kmos, when uploading your file? 
[04:41] <pochu> heya carlos :)
[04:41] <Kmos> kiko: yes
[04:42] <pochu> do you guys know when the imports will be finalized? just curiosity :)
[04:42] <kiko> Kmos, can you retry? you didn't get an OOPS ID for that perchance, did you?
[04:42] <kiko> pochu, I think next wednesday. yes, that sucks :-(
[04:42] <pochu> kiko: ok, ty :)
[04:43] <pochu> kiko: that's fine, because I have an exam on Tuesday :)
[04:43] <kiko> heh
[04:43] <Kmos> kiko: oops id ?
[04:43] <Kmos> i only got 500 internal server error
[04:43] <Kmos> nothing more
[04:43] <kiko> Kmos, when you uploaded the file. launchpad often.. yeah.
[04:43] <kiko> it's a librarian problem, isn't it matsubara?
[04:44] <matsubara> it's likely to be. I'm looking for the bug number.
[04:45] <kiko> matsubara, when the librarian dies do we have logs or an oops?
[04:47] <matsubara> kiko: I think it's bug 86171 and if you check the oopses there you'll see that the librarian raised an 500 internal server error.
[04:47] <Ubugtu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
[04:49] <kiko> yeah.
[04:49] <kiko> spiv said he instrumented the librarian or did something about it?
[04:50] <gnomefreak> Kmos: try again sorry was busy
[04:50] <kiko> Kmos, yeah, can you try again?
[04:51] <Kmos> i'll send it to gnomefreak 
[04:51] <kiko> Kmos, well, if you could try to upload I'd determine whether it's deterministic or not
[04:51] <Kmos> ok
[04:51] <Kmos> ill upload again
[04:51] <gnomefreak> not letting me grab it. Kmos email it to me at gnomefreak@ubuntu.com
[04:51] <kiko> thanks very much
[04:52] <Kmos> request: how about to have an option to give a url of a website with the report crash ?
[04:52] <Kmos> like i upload it to somesite.com/filecrash
[04:52] <Kmos> and when reporting.. give that url
[04:52] <gnomefreak> ill see if i can grab it
[04:52] <gnomefreak> its not there
[04:53] <Kmos> it's my problem.. irssi
[04:53] <Kmos> lan IP address
[04:53] <Kmos> right'
[04:53] <Kmos> ?
[04:53] <Kmos> i'm uploading again to launchpad
[04:53] <gnomefreak> k
[04:53] <gnomefreak> brb
[04:55] <PecisDarbs> launchpad has problems?
[04:55] <kiko> today in particular yes
[04:56] <Kmos> when there is a new firefox patched ? there are so many crash's
[04:57] <Kmos> kiko: tu es brasileiro =) portugues aki :P
[04:57] <kiko> fala luso
[04:57] <Kmos> :)
[04:57] <Kmos> hehe
[04:58] <Kmos> esta adsl com 128 kbps de upload nao da com nada
[04:58] <Kmos> demora anos
[04:58] <Kmos> lol
[04:58] <kiko> Kmos,  o mesmo que ns temos. uma @##!
[04:58] <Kmos> -rw------- 1 kmos kmos 36110512 2007-03-08 13:51 _usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash
[04:58] <Kmos> yeah
[04:58] <kiko> Kmos, talvez gzipar antes de mandar ajude.
[04:58] <Kmos> aki ha comea a haver 256 e 512, mas fica mt caro
[04:58] <kiko> idem
[04:58] <Kmos> da pra enviar assim ?
[04:58] <Kmos> tar.gz ?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:59] <gnomefreak> save a few mb that way
[04:59] <Kmos> nice
[04:59] <Kmos> yeah
[04:59] <gnomefreak> sady i understood more of that than i thought 
[04:59] <kiko> sadly?
[05:00] <gnomefreak> yeah
[05:00] <Kmos> 10 mb
[05:00] <Kmos> :)
[05:00] <kiko> you should be proud of your pt_BR skillz
[05:00] <kiko> or pt as is the case
[05:00] <Kmos> :)
[05:00] <Kmos> thx
[05:01] <Kmos> rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26902342 2007-03-08 16:00 firefox1000crash.tar.gz
[05:01] <Kmos> now it's better
[05:01] <Kmos> :)
[05:33] <kiko> *** We're doing some online maintenence work on Launchpad -- the site will be slow and unstable for a few minutes ***
[05:34] <kiko> so hold off posting that form until I say finished
[05:34] <Kmos> :)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> Kmos: ill be in and out for the next few hours just let me know once its there ill try to get it done today
[05:36] <bac> kiko: steveA says you are trying to get a 'feedback@launchpad.net' address set up.  how's that going?
[05:37] <bac> i need to add an address on the /legal page to request permission for automated script access
[05:37] <kiko> ah, thanks for asking, I have no idea. it's been requested
[05:37] <kiko> to the admins but I don't think done
[05:37] <bac> you have an RT number?  you setting it up as mailman or just an alias?
[05:37] <kiko> mailman IIRC
[05:37] <kiko> yes I do
[05:37] <bac> it might be good for me to reference it
[05:37] <kiko> bac, #26676
[05:38] <bac> thx
[05:38] <kiko> bac, what's your email?
[05:38] <bac> i'm sneaky -- it's 'bac'
[05:39] <kiko> bac@canonical?
[05:39] <bac> yep
[05:39] <kiko> sent to you
[05:39] <bac> thanks
[05:42] <seb128> hum
[05:42] <seb128> "OperationalError
[05:42] <seb128> A server error occurred. "
[05:42] <seb128> kiko: who broke launchpad? ;)
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Is there maintenance being performed on launchpad right now?
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Lol.
[05:42] <gnomefreak> ki`broke it ;)
[05:42] <gnomefreak> kiko: broke it ;)
 *** We're doing some online maintenence work on Launchpad -- the site will be slow and unstable for a few minutes ***
[05:42] <kiko> yes
[05:43] <seb128> kiko: oh, ok, good ;)
[05:44] <FunnyLookinHat> I blame Rinchen personally.
[05:44] <Rinchen> Honest, I haven't touched LP all day.
[05:44] <Rinchen> well, not much
[05:44] <Rinchen> since it's been down
[05:45] <FunnyLookinHat> hahaha
[05:46] <Seveas> OperationalError
[05:46] <Seveas> A server error occurred.
[05:46] <Seveas> I call that unstable :)
[05:47] <ddaa> kiko: maybe it would be better to shut launchpad down in those situations...
[05:47] <ddaa> getting random crashes is more frustrating than a "sorry, maintenance in progress" page
[05:51] <dneary> Hi
[05:51] <dneary> I'm not the only one seeing OperationalErrors then
[05:55] <pirast> ugh-oh..
[05:55] <xdatap> hey boy, you already know about launchpad offline? "A server error occurred."
[05:56] <radix> see topic
[05:56] <xdatap> ops :D
[05:56] <xdatap> ok
[05:56] <pirast> few minutes are over :-P
[05:56] <xdatap> ok, np
[05:56] <xdatap> bye
[06:06] <gnomefreak> kiko-fud: Lp is still down?
[06:06] <pochu> gnomefreak: at least for me :)
[06:06] <gnomefreak> everyone than
[06:07] <gnomefreak> i wasnt sure, stub removed it from topic so i assumed it was back up
[06:13] <AlinuxOS> danilos, ping
[06:13] <pochu> online
[06:13] <pochu> gnomefreak: ^
[06:13] <stub> it is now
[06:14] <stub> I changed the topic too soon sorry
[06:14] <pochu> np
[06:15] <gnomefreak> np just making sure
[06:19] <danilos> AlinuxOS: pong
[06:22] <AlinuxOS> danilos, private ping ;)
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90651 in launchpad "Need mugshot images for product, project, distribution and sprint" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90651
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90655 in launchpad "Launchpad prompts once for new tags, accepts all" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90655
[08:07] <carlos> cheers
[09:24] <tsmithe> where's mrevell when you need him :P
[09:24] <kiko> well, I'm a close second. :)
[09:26] <tsmithe> it was only for idle chitter :P :: you didn't just publish *my* blog post :P
[09:29] <beuno_> hey carlos!    any news on the Feisty Translations imports? 
[09:30] <pochu> beuno_: they told me that it's scheduled for next wednesday :)
[09:30] <beuno_> thanks pochu!
[09:30] <pochu> beuno_: np :)
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90702 in malone "Broken link in bug tracker front page pointing to CVE references" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90702
[10:34] <moyogo> hi
[10:35] <moyogo> I'd like to contact a translator but there's no contact information on his launchpad page
[10:35] <moyogo> How can I get in touch with him?
[10:41] <kiko> moyogo, who's the person?
[10:42] <moyogo> kiko: https://launchpad.net/~gontcho
[11:26] <lamby> where should one submit bugs wrt. bugs in launchpad?
[11:28] <apokryphos> lamby: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad
[11:28] <apokryphos> or malone, if it's to do with the bugtracker
[11:28] <kiko> lamby, launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[11:30] <lamby> woo, already fixed according to the bugreport.
[11:33] <thumper> ddaa: bug 90725 may be slightly contriversial
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90725 in launchpad-bazaar "batching size in branch listings is too small" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90725
[11:34] <thumper> kiko: do you see any problem with different batch sizes?
[11:34] <thumper> kiko, ddaa: personally I don't but I want to solicit opinions
[11:36] <kiko> thumper, for what? for a specific page?
[11:37] <thumper> kiko: like branch listings
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90725 in launchpad-bazaar "batching size in branch listings is too small" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90725
[11:43] <ddaa> thumper: I have no problem in being controversial.
[11:43] <ddaa> you might even call that a cultural trait, if you wish
[11:45] <ddaa> jml: about AutomaticBugBranchLinks
[11:45] <jml> ddaa: yes?
[11:46] <ddaa> jml: I'd like if you could think a bit more about how BugBranchRevision relates to productseries and bugtasks
[11:46] <ddaa> I have the impression there is a lot of fuzziness in this spec because the terminology surrounding bugs, bugtasks, branches, and branches-of-series is not used consistently.
[11:47] <ddaa> also, it's not clear to me how BugBranchRevision relates to BugBranch
[11:47] <jml> ddaa: you are right about the first thing. I haven't thought about productseries etc, except to think that they aren't relevant for the first phase.
[11:48] <ddaa> they are essential to automatic bugtask closure
[11:48] <jml> right
[11:48] <ddaa> not bug closure, we close bugtasks, that's one instance where the terminology needs to be fixed
[11:49] <jml> but that's not part of the first step :)
[11:50] <jml> ddaa: as for the relation between BugBranch and BugBranchRevision: BugBranch has the information that's in the UI, and BugBranchRevision is essentially the parsed record of revprops.
[11:51] <jml> ddaa: I had a chat w/ thumper and jamesh about possibly removing the branch attr from BBR
[11:51] <ddaa> you mean the revision_hint?
[11:51] <ddaa> ha...
[11:52] <ddaa> okay, but how do BB and BBR relate?
[11:52] <ddaa> I feel that a BBR should be subordinate to a BB, somehow
[11:52] <jml> ddaa: care to elaborate?
[11:53] <ddaa> I said "I feel", it's a gut thing.
[11:53] <ddaa> I will elaborate when i get some solid time in front of that spec tomorrow.
[11:54] <jml> ddaa: ok
[12:07] <ddaa> Good night folks.
[12:07] <jml> ddaa: g'night