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| boiton1 | When is OTRS 2.1 planed to be included in ubuntu? | 12:18 |
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| j1mc_work | in regards to reporting ISO testing sucesses and bugs, are we still using the instructions found here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults) for now? | 12:19 |
| j1mc_work | somerville32_: are you around? | 12:19 |
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| j1mc_work | i think that test reports get submitted here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/ but i just want to make sure before communicating that with other xubuntu testers. | 12:20 |
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| boiton1 | any ideas guys? gals? | 12:22 |
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| pochu | j1mc_work: yes, there | 12:27 |
| j1mc_work | pochu: thanks. | 12:28 |
| boiton1 | in reference to my question about OTRS version 2, does anyone have any idea how I can find this out? | 12:29 |
| cjwatson | boiton1: #ubuntu-motu might be a better place to ask | 12:30 |
| j1mc_work | pochu: should i create a new "bug" at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/ for each of the different daily images that are tested, or will we only create a new "bug" after each release (e.g. herd 5, beta 1, etc. . . ) | 12:30 |
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| cjwatson | I think otrs 2 might be in Debian experimental | 12:30 |
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| cjwatson | j1mc_work: no, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | boiton1: ah, try the otrs2 package | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | boiton1: apparently they're sufficiently incompatible that the package was renamed | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | that's 2.0.4 rather than 2.1, but hopefully that's enough for you ... | 12:33 |
| boiton1 | cjwatson, thank you for the help and yes it is in debian unstable | 12:33 |
| boiton1 | cjwatson, would you happen to know the policy used to bring in packages to ubuntu? | 12:33 |
| j1mc_work | cjwatson: thanks. i'll double-check the build date of the nightly images i've been using. | 12:33 |
| cjwatson | boiton1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess, but you don't want that directly - ask #ubuntu-motu for help | 12:34 |
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| nrdb | I have what looks like a bug with the 'update-manager' I was upgrading from 6.06 -> 6.10 with vmware-player installed, once the download was done it the download manager displayed a terminal widget with a question in it, but I can't activate the widget to answer the question. | 12:40 |
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| bluefoxicy | at an estimate, can anyone give me a rough idea how big gatech's pool should be | 04:27 |
| bluefoxicy | looks to me like they.. archive.. everything :( | 04:27 |
| bluefoxicy | (I want a local edgy repo) | 04:27 |
| bluefoxicy | other mirrors only have cd images of the last 2, but their dists/ contain ALL | 04:28 |
| kylem | what part of that is relevant to the Development of Ubuntu | 04:28 |
| kylem | hint: none. | 04:28 |
| bluefoxicy | hmm. Good point. | 04:28 |
| bluefoxicy | (although who else is going to know how big every deb ever released by the ubuntu project combined is?) | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | bluefoxicy: hint: debmirror | 04:31 |
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| bluefoxicy | o_o holy crap | 04:36 |
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| bluefoxicy | Lathiat: just a note, debmirror seems to download to .temp/ in the target directory, then try to verify i.e. Release in ./ instead of .temp/, then bail. I'll file a bug; work-around is to not verify those files. | 04:52 |
| Lathiat | your doing somethign wrong because it works fine for me | 04:53 |
| Lathiat | what version? | 04:54 |
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| bluefoxicy | whatever's in feisty today. | 04:55 |
| bluefoxicy | Malone 90546 has output | 04:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90546 in debmirror "debmirror fails to properly check Release(.gpg)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90546 | 04:55 |
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| Lathiat | oh | 04:56 |
| bluefoxicy | apt says 20060907.1 | 04:57 |
| Lathiat | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found | 04:57 |
| Lathiat | ^^^ thats not going to help | 04:57 |
| Lathiat | gpg --recv-keys 437D05B5 | 04:57 |
| bluefoxicy | isn't that what it's downloading with Release/Release.gpg? | 04:57 |
| Lathiat | no | 04:57 |
| Lathiat | the .gpg is the detached signature | 04:57 |
| bluefoxicy | ok I'll try that; if it works I'll revise the bug report to say this should probably automagically happen or something. | 04:57 |
| bluefoxicy | ... which won't work either because gpg just says "oh. ..... what?" | 04:58 |
| bluefoxicy | this is dumb, I'm moving to #-bugs or #-offtopic with this | 04:58 |
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| kdean06 | I'm trying to get in touch with an Ubuntu developer, anyone responcible for generating the alternative and server install discs specifically. Can anyone recommend where I might look to contact this person/people? | 05:46 |
| Chipzz | I don't recall who exactly is responsable for generating these images, but he does hang around here | 05:47 |
| Chipzz | just not at this hour | 05:47 |
| kdean06 | So it is one person specifically? | 05:48 |
| Chipzz | not sure, but I think yes | 05:48 |
| Chipzz | but these images get generated automagically | 05:48 |
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| Chipzz | except when doing beta-releases | 05:48 |
| Chipzz | like herd etc | 05:49 |
| Chipzz | Burgundavia: do you know who's resonsible for generating the cd images? live etc | 05:50 |
| kdean06 | I'm not concerned with any specific release, I really need to pique his/her brain about the process. I need to generate an image, but every process I've seen to date says to start with a current install disk and modify it, and that won't work, since I'm not sure of exactly what I'd be redistributing. | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia | Chipzz: afaik, tollef is | 05:50 |
| Chipzz | so that would be Mithrandir here | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia | kdean06: what is your specific need? | 05:50 |
| kdean06 | I'd like to create an alternative/server install disc for the gNewSense project. | 05:51 |
| Chipzz | 05:46 < kdean06> I'm trying to get in touch with an Ubuntu developer, anyone responcible for generating the alternative and server install discs specifically. Can anyone recommend where I might look to contact this person/people? | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | it's Mithrandir, yes. | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | kdean06: seen germinate? | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | right | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | (and various other tools, which i dont remember) | 05:52 |
| kdean06 | I need to generate if from scratch, as I'll be distributing it, and need to also know which sources need to go with. | 05:52 |
| kdean06 | Germinate... I believe so, let me look at that again. | 05:52 |
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| Chipzz | but I do think gnewsense is not an official ubuntu release | 05:52 |
| Chipzz | /flavour | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | Chipzz: that's correct | 05:53 |
| kdean06 | Correct, it is not. And I don't expect support, simply hoping that I can get some expert advice. :D | 05:53 |
| Chipzz | I'm guessing asking the gnewsense developers makes more sense | 05:54 |
| Chipzz | since you also want to know which set of packages etc | 05:54 |
| kdean06 | They've got the LiveCD down pat, but they seem clueless to the d-i system (though it seems easier in theory). | 05:55 |
| Chipzz | well if they have alternate/server images, someone is creating them, and it sure isn't tollef | 05:55 |
| kdean06 | They do not. | 05:55 |
| Chipzz | ah and you also want to create alternate/server images | 05:56 |
| Chipzz | well | 05:56 |
| Chipzz | I'm not sure if that's the answer you're going to get, but someone was asking for the script to create live images here a couple of days ago, and he got told ubuntu doesn't open-source these | 05:57 |
| Chipzz | they're not meant to be public. not sure about the alternate/server scripts though | 05:57 |
| kdean06 | That's sad. But I don't really need a script, just understanding. I'm figuring I'll be piecing together parts gleaned from Google, and the Debian Developers and perhaps tollef, if he's willing to help. | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | maybe cjwatson too | 05:59 |
| Chipzz | well, there are instructions on the wiki on how to create a live cd, it's just that the official scripts aren't public | 05:59 |
| Chipzz | but if you know enough you should be able to put 1 and 1 together and create such a script yourself | 05:59 |
| Lathiat | a potentially easier option is to rebuilding an existing livecd | 06:00 |
| Chipzz | but that was actually not his question anyway ;) | 06:00 |
| Chipzz | (that was just meant as an aside :)) | 06:00 |
| kdean06 | Well thank you all point the time of day. Have a good night/day. | 06:11 |
| kdean06 | s/point/for | 06:11 |
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| srbaker | hey folks | 06:35 |
| srbaker | is ubuntu's installer still based on debian-installer? | 06:35 |
| srbaker | the livecd version? or is this a new project all together? | 06:35 |
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| Hobbsee | srbaker: it's called ubiquity. new project, iirc. | 06:36 |
| srbaker | thx | 06:37 |
| Fujitsu | It is a debian-installer frontend, basically. Most of the components are the same. | 06:39 |
| Fujitsu | I think. | 06:39 |
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| Fujitsu | Wait, no, it can't be. | 06:40 |
| Fujitsu | Forget what I've said. | 06:40 |
| Toadstool | er... afaik ubiquity actually is based on a deeply modified version of a d-i but the best person to ask is cjwatson :) | 06:43 |
| Toadstool | s/a d-i/d-i/ | 06:43 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:05 |
| pitti | fabbione: right, yesterday I wanted to ask you whether there was any trick to add additional driver Options to xorg.conf (in restricted-manager) while remaining dexconf-compatible | 08:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: but it seems not, so I started to implement support for it in dexconf itself instead of starting to do nasty hacks | 08:07 |
| fabbione | pitti: i saw restricted-manager around as package, but no idea what it does... best is to use dexconf and look at nvidia-glx-config on how to preseed dexconf and run it | 08:08 |
| pitti | fabbione: no, nvidia-glx-config doesn't do it eitehr | 08:08 |
| pitti | fabbione: I think I answered my questions myself so far, but thanks anyway | 08:09 |
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| fabbione | pitti: ok :) i didn't get a royal clue but i am good.. and i am not sure i want to know | 08:25 |
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| tfheen | doko_: could we make ooo not depend on -binfilter to save heaps of space on the CD? | 08:43 |
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| tepsipakki | pitti: I'm interested in the result ;) | 08:55 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: well, as I said, I'm going to implement 'extra driver options' support in dexconf | 08:56 |
| tepsipakki | using debconf-templates? | 08:56 |
| tepsipakki | so they are preseedable | 08:56 |
| pitti | right | 08:57 |
| pitti | I'm not going to ask this question interactively, but restricted-manager can set the debconf option and call dexconf to properly configure nvidia cards and such | 08:57 |
| pitti | Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" and such | 08:57 |
| tepsipakki | sounds about right | 08:57 |
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| tfheen | pitti: just don't make it uninstallable. :-) | 08:59 |
| tfheen | that was yesterday's problem | 08:59 |
| pitti | *blush* | 08:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:01 |
| tfheen | good morning, Daniel | 09:01 |
| dholbach | hey Tollef | 09:01 |
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| Riddell | pitti: you didn't let through the edgy-proposed dist-upgrader packages? | 09:21 |
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| mdke | dholbach: can you do an upload of ubuntu-docs again today? Just to update all our strings for string freeze | 09:23 |
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| dholbach | mdke: ok | 09:24 |
| mdke | thanks! | 09:24 |
| dholbach | mdke: now? later? | 09:24 |
| mdke | dholbach: whenever you have time | 09:24 |
| dholbach | ok, doing it now | 09:24 |
| mdke | :) | 09:25 |
| tfheen | mvo: good morning. Have you gotten any response to 69051 from upstream? | 09:25 |
| tfheen | mdke: hiya, good to see you around. You're still doing docteam stuff, right? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | mdke: can you set DEBEMAIL=<something> on your machine? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | mdke: Matthew East <matt@kalliope> is in the changelog | 09:26 |
| dholbach | mdke: i'll change it locally and upload it - just fyi | 09:26 |
| mdke | dholbach: whoops, thanks | 09:26 |
| mdke | tfheen: sure | 09:26 |
| dholbach | np | 09:26 |
| mdke | tfheen: why do you ask? | 09:27 |
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| mvo | tfheen: no, but I added the patch to our package in the meantime, I will do another test and then close the bug | 09:27 |
| tfheen | mdke: II'm wondering whom I should assing https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/89156 to. | 09:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89156 in ubuntu-docs "There is no mac-os-x.xml " [High,Confirmed] | 09:27 |
| dholbach | hey mvo | 09:27 |
| tfheen | mdke: given that stringfreeze is today, it's kinda urgent. | 09:28 |
| mdke | tfheen: i'll do that now | 09:28 |
| tfheen | mdke: excellent, thanks. | 09:28 |
| mdke | dholbach: don't upload! | 09:28 |
| dholbach | mdke: ok | 09:28 |
| mvo | hey dholbach | 09:29 |
| mdke | tfheen: thanks for reminding me, even though I filed the bug myself, I still forgot | 09:29 |
| pitti | Riddell: doing now | 09:29 |
| mdke | dholbach: alright, go ahead (sorry!) | 09:30 |
| dholbach | mdke: np | 09:31 |
| pitti | Riddell: the kdebase upload has a change in kubuntu_76_ksmserver_suspend.diff which is not part of the approved patches | 09:34 |
| pitti | Riddell: oh, oops, wrong debdiff (I compared to edgy, not edgy-updates) | 09:34 |
| tfheen | doko_: about 59537; did you get this fixed or did you just work around it so the ooo build no longer triggers it? | 09:37 |
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| dholbach | mdke: uploading | 09:39 |
| mdke | thanks dholbach | 09:41 |
| dholbach | de rien | 09:44 |
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| pitti | carlos: how are the imports flowing? | 09:46 |
| Lure | tepsipakki: latest ati upload caused regression on my laptop: bug 90571 | 09:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90571 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "regression: blank screen on hp nw8240 after last xorg driver update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90571 | 09:47 |
| Treenaks | Lure: We were discussing it in #ubuntu-x :) | 09:47 |
| carlos | pitti: slow :-( | 09:48 |
| Lure | Treenaks: thanks, will join | 09:48 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: did you end up having any luck with 59620? | 09:57 |
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| carlos | doko_: hi, around? | 10:03 |
| dholbach | hey seb128 | 10:04 |
| seb128 | hi dholbach | 10:04 |
| seb128 | hey carlos | 10:04 |
| seb128 | carlos: is the feisty .po import done? | 10:04 |
| carlos | seb128: hi | 10:04 |
| carlos | not yet, 19000 entries to go (from 70000...). We are going to deploy a small change to speed it a bit | 10:05 |
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| seb128 | carlos: ok | 10:07 |
| dholbach | tfheen: do you know what happened to the newest devhelp binaries on amd64? | 10:10 |
| dholbach | tfheen: also could you give back gksu on amd64? | 10:11 |
| Riddell | seb128: you didn't process NEW yesterday? :( | 10:11 |
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| siretart | will feisty ship bzr 0.15? | 10:14 |
| tfheen | dholbach: I gave back gksu earlier today. | 10:14 |
| tfheen | dholbach: devhelp> not sure, I'll look | 10:15 |
| dholbach | tfheen: thanks a lot! | 10:15 |
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| cbx33 | sorry if this is the wrong place, but are Ubuntu doing GSoC this year? | 10:15 |
| cbx33 | If so who can I talk to about it | 10:15 |
| seb128 | Riddell: will do today, I did syncs, backports, and binary new | 10:16 |
| cbx33 | I have someone who wants to do a project, and I'm willing to mentor him | 10:16 |
| tfheen | dholbach: gksu was waiting for libgksu which I just gave back. | 10:17 |
| dholbach | ahhh ok | 10:17 |
| tfheen | dholbach: devhelp binaries got lost in failed-to-move; rescuing. | 10:17 |
| dholbach | yoohoo | 10:17 |
| Riddell | seb128: you must be too thourough :) | 10:18 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: still in progress, I'm trying to work out how to get the resize range using tune2fs - can't make the numbers agree with df | 10:49 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: I'm not going to do it in parted; going to work around it in partman-partitioning roughly the same way it does for ntfs instead | 10:50 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: ok, so you think it's doable for feisty? | 10:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: | 10:51 |
| seb128 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python2.5-minimal: | 10:51 |
| seb128 | python-minimal depends on python2.5-minimal (>= 2.5). | 10:51 |
| seb128 | dpkg: error processing python2.5-minimal (--purge): | 10:51 |
| seb128 | dependency problems - not removing | 10:51 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: hoping so, yes | 10:52 |
| tfheen | mvo: why is 84612 fix commmitted and not fix released? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | pitti: that might have create problems on ~pitti/bin/retrace-i386 | 10:52 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: BTW there was a change in partman-base recently to fix NTFS resizing (previously, it sometimes tried to move the start of the partition and caused data corruption in some cases) | 10:52 |
| mvo | tfheen: fixed, sorry | 10:53 |
| cjwatson | I think I'll grab that, though I haven't decided whether I should just take all the changes in partman-base or whether I should backport instead | 10:53 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: I trust your judgement on that. :-) | 10:53 |
| cjwatson | this will also allow re-enabling resizing of Vista NTFS partitions | 10:54 |
| tfheen | pitti: I'm looking at 81670 ; what, if anything, would break if we moved hal to 12? (It seems to be that on some systems, like my laptop, which started out with warty) | 10:57 |
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| tfheen | mvo: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/69532 ; what's up with this? It's old and looks more like a feature than a bug? | 11:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69532 in update-manager "CD dist-upgrade needs to be able to update itself from the net" [High,Confirmed] | 11:02 |
| mvo | tfheen: let me check | 11:02 |
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| tfheen | mvo: same with #68247, really. | 11:04 |
| mvo | tfheen: updated #69532 (fixed in feisty) | 11:04 |
| tfheen | great. :-) | 11:04 |
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| tfheen | doko_: about #85884 ; are you going to work on it for feisty? | 11:09 |
| tfheen | pitti: why is ubuntu-release subscribed to 67925? | 11:10 |
| seb128 | bug #67925 | 11:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67925 in Ubuntu "Do not ship translations without matching input support" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67925 | 11:14 |
| tfheen | mvo: what about 68247? I don't see it as critical for feisty? (And it's a feature, not a bug) | 11:17 |
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| mvo | tfheen: that one is not yet fixed, but I agree its not critical for 7.04 | 11:19 |
| mvo | tfheen: I remove the target | 11:19 |
| tfheen | mvo: cheers. Got a few more minutes? | 11:20 |
| tfheen | mvo: #70058 seems easy enough to fix | 11:20 |
| tfheen | mvo: #74190 should be fairly easy too -- if the user has changed his umask so u-m can't read the file, just throw up an error dialog? | 11:21 |
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| pitti | seb128: I'll look at it | 11:23 |
| pitti | tfheen: 81670> right, I was going to fix that soon; moving dbus to 12 should do fine, we had that in the past | 11:24 |
| pitti | tfheen: it's just cupsys, hplip, and apport in between | 11:24 |
| tfheen | pitti: ok, thanks. | 11:25 |
| pitti | tfheen: 67925> because it affects CD layout; feel free to unsubscribe u-release, mdz forwarded the request to the bizdev team | 11:25 |
| tfheen | pitti: I'm mainly trying to fix a bunch of the milestoned bugs.. beta freeze is only a week away. | 11:25 |
| pitti | right, I got drawn off bugfixing for this restricted-manager stuff | 11:25 |
| tfheen | pitti: how does it affect cd layout? Doesn't it only affect the packages on there? | 11:25 |
| pitti | tfheen: right, just the set of packages | 11:26 |
| doko_ | tfheen: I should, but probably lacking time | 11:26 |
| tfheen | pitti: is there a spec to go along with this, or is it more a case of "this makes sense, let's just do it that way"? | 11:26 |
| pitti | seb128: that was in the retracing chroots? weird, p2.5-minimal should have been part of the default debootstrap | 11:26 |
| tfheen | doko_: ok, no point in having it milestoned for release, then. | 11:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: bug #90570 | 11:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90570 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control crashed with SIGSEGV after removal of creative audigy 2 zs notebook pcmcia soundcard" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90570 | 11:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: retracing worked, it crashed after (on cleanup likely) | 11:27 |
| pitti | tfheen: the latter rather; installing Chinese support with only translations, but without input support makes little sense | 11:27 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, thanks | 11:28 |
| seb128 | pitti: np | 11:28 |
| tfheen | pitti: I say we just go for it now rather than later | 11:28 |
| pitti | tfheen: 'it'? | 11:28 |
| tfheen | pitti: as in, fix the bug. | 11:29 |
| pitti | tfheen: if I spend today and half of tomorrow on r-m, and monday to wednesday on milestone bug fixing, would that be ok? | 11:29 |
| tfheen | pitti: that'd be great. | 11:29 |
| pitti | tfheen: since r-m is feature-ish, it should go earlier | 11:29 |
| tfheen | pitti: or are you waiting for feedback from bizdev on the input support bit? | 11:29 |
| pitti | tfheen: input> right, the question is how to fix it | 11:30 |
| pitti | tfheen: yes, I'm waiting for that | 11:30 |
| tfheen | ok, any ETA? | 11:30 |
| pitti | I didn't get one | 11:30 |
| tfheen | ok | 11:31 |
| tfheen | seb128: bug #86271 is going to be fixed with the GNOME release? | 11:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86271 in totem "needs to be updated for libtotem-plparser API change" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86271 | 11:31 |
| seb128 | tfheen: yes, or I'll backport the patch which has been commited upstream otherwise, it's milestoned 7.04 so on my list of things to do | 11:36 |
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| tfheen | seb128: great, thanks. | 11:44 |
| seb128 | np | 11:44 |
| tfheen | seb128: I won't nag you about it, then. :-) | 11:44 |
| seb128 | tfheen: k, if I've milestoned a desktop-bugs for 7.04 you probably don't need to not me about it, those are on my list of things to work on for feisty ;) | 11:44 |
| shawarma | I'm confused. The new pbuilder still has the debian team listed as the maintainer in debian/control, so dpkg-source refuses to handle it... How did it make its way to the archive then? | 11:44 |
| tfheen | seb128: thanks a lot. | 11:45 |
| seb128 | np | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | shawarma: because that dpkg-source change is recent. If you upgrade dpkg-dev then it won't throw that error any more unless you have @ubuntu.com in DEBEMAIL. | 11:46 |
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| shawarma | cjwatson: Er... ok. | 11:47 |
| shawarma | cjwatson: ...no, still don't get it. :-) | 11:48 |
| shawarma | cjwatson: You're saying this is behaviour by design? | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | shawarma: I'm saying that it got into the archive because when it was uploaded dpkg-source didn't emit that error | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | shawarma: for further information, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 11:50 |
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| shawarma | cjwatson: It doesn't mention this new DEBEMAIL exception? | 11:51 |
| pitti | indeed not, I'll add it | 11:52 |
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| shawarma | Just to be sure: It shouldn't have made it to the archive, should it? | 11:52 |
| cjwatson | yes, it should have made it to the archive. | 11:52 |
| pitti | shawarma: it should | 11:52 |
| shawarma | Ok.. | 11:52 |
| pitti | shawarma: this policy is recent, it hasn't been enforced for a long time | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | in any case 'apt-cache show pbuilder' shows an Ubuntu maintainer address here | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | oh, that may not be in the source, ok | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | (sorry, red herring) | 11:53 |
| pitti | right, binary packages' Maintainer fields have been mangled for longer | 11:53 |
| shawarma | Yes, but fetching the souce and looking says otherwise. | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | shawarma: like I say, red herring, sorry | 11:53 |
| pitti | wiki updated | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | shawarma: it made it to the archive because it was constructed with a version of dpkg-source that did not enforce this check. That's just fine. | 11:54 |
| shawarma | Ok. So Debian is fine with our source packages listing them as the maintainer? | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | No. | 11:55 |
| pitti | shawarma: no, you must change it | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | we are progressively going through and fixing packages, but it is not complete yet. | 11:55 |
| pitti | shawarma: guess what the dpkg check is for :) | 11:55 |
| shawarma | pitti: Precisely. | 11:55 |
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| cjwatson | shawarma: it is *simultaneously* OK that it made it to the archive (before the check was enforced) and a bug that it's still that way. | 11:56 |
| shawarma | cjwatson: Oh! | 11:57 |
| cjwatson | shawarma: if you'd asked "should it be like that" rather than "it shouldn't have made it to the archive, should it?", you'd have got a different answer | 11:57 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: is there a trick how to store multi-line string values in debconf? | 11:58 |
| shawarma | cjwatson: Right, now I get it. mvo just mentioned it on the m-l today, so I thought it was just uploaded. I didn't notice the upload was a week old. | 11:58 |
| tepsipakki | is there a systematic way to get updates for discover-data? | 11:58 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: "sync from debian"? | 11:59 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I tried with 'foo\\nbar', with that, config.dat has 'foo\bar', but it only returns 'foo' when querying it | 11:59 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: ah.. I was looking at discover1-data, which is ancient :) | 12:00 |
| tepsipakki | discover-data is much newer | 12:00 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: could it be synced? | 12:00 |
| mvo | shawarma: I mentioned it late because I wanted to give it some testing before announcing it :) | 12:01 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: I can never remember which one of those we use, but I believe it's discover1-data | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: looking at the version numbers it's discover-data | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | which builds discover1-dataa | 12:02 |
| tepsipakki | -a | 12:02 |
| tepsipakki | the current version lacks information about intel vga-controllers, they all seem to use vesa atm | 12:02 |
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| shawarma | mvo: Makes sense. :-) | 12:03 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: request a sync, subscribe ubuntu-release. | 12:04 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: will do | 12:04 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: include information as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess | 12:05 |
| tepsipakki | yes, it has a vast number of fixes for various graphics controllers | 12:07 |
| tepsipakki | nv, intel, via.. | 12:07 |
| cjwatson | pitti: man debconf-devel and search for escape | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | pitti: needs debconf (>= 1.4.72) | 12:09 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, I found that, but I couldn't make sense of it | 12:09 |
| tepsipakki | *.bugs.launchpad.net hates me obviously.. | 12:09 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I have to *set* CAPB, it's not something that debconf returns? | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | pitti: correct | 12:10 |
| pitti | ah, great | 12:10 |
| pitti | cjwatson: thanks | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | the client needs to be prepared for this | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | note that db_capb *replaces* the current capability set, so if you also want backup you need to say 'db_capb backup escape' | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | generally best to turn off escape when you don't need it any more | 12:10 |
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| tfheen | sladen: why is Bug #14908 just marked as fix committed and not fix released? | 12:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 14908 in powermanagement-interface "use 'do-not-hibernate' NOT 'do-not-suspend' to prevent hibernate following kernel upgrade" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14908 | 12:16 |
| seb128 | tfheen: could you look at bug #90594? | 12:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90594 in libxklavier "UVF exception 3.0 to 3.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90594 | 12:17 |
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| tfheen | seb128: looking | 12:18 |
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| seb128 | tfheen: refresh if you want, I've attached a new diff with the code changes only (without the documentation and autotools update) | 12:19 |
| seb128 | tfheen: the function which changed are private API, there is no public API change | 12:20 |
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| tfheen | seb128: approved. | 12:27 |
| seb128 | tfheen: thank you | 12:27 |
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| pitti | tfheen: I need this new feature for the restricted-manager stuff (particularly for bug 90109, but I wanted to keep it generic); http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/patches/xorg.extra_options.diff | 12:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90109 in xorg "Add Alpha RGB GLX Visuals to xorg.conf for nVidia cards" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90109 | 12:30 |
| pitti | tfheen: ok to upload? (eyeballing appreciated as well, of course) | 12:30 |
| doko | tfheen: do we have results for rebuild tests | 12:31 |
| dholbach | doko: I asked on the mailing list too - seems that elmo and infinity know more about it, since mdz CCed them | 12:31 |
| dholbach | doko: let's see what comes out of the discussion | 12:32 |
| tfheen | doko: no, I haven't received them. I've nagged repeatedly, but will do so again. | 12:32 |
| tfheen | pitti: yes, looks decent enough. | 12:32 |
| tfheen | pitti: (approved) | 12:32 |
| pitti | thanks | 12:32 |
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| doko | tfheen: well, I had my own live rebuild for 500 packages ;) | 12:33 |
| tfheen | doko: I noticed. | 12:33 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: the howto's I've seen put the settings in "Screen" | 12:34 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: that would be weird | 12:34 |
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| heno | ogra: do you have any test cases in mind for the add-on CD (CD integrity and Winfoss testing I have). Just 'install extra packages'? | 12:34 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: nvidia-config does that | 12:34 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: I put it in Device, and that seems to work fine for my nvidia card | 12:34 |
| pitti | hm | 12:34 |
| tepsipakki | maybe it work | 12:34 |
| tepsipakki | 's | 12:34 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: I don't get window decorations without the option, and with the option in Device it works | 12:35 |
| pitti | hm | 12:35 |
| tepsipakki | maybe it's a weird driver ;) | 12:35 |
| tepsipakki | http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=NVidia | 12:35 |
| tepsipakki | it's cleaner if it works under Device | 12:36 |
| pitti | right, maybe its propagated somehow | 12:36 |
| pitti | it just seems more logical to put it in Driver since it seems to be nvidia specific? | 12:37 |
| pitti | and it's an undocumented option in xorg.conf | 12:37 |
| tepsipakki | just put it there, i810 seems to use the Driver | 12:37 |
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| pitti | tepsipakki: oh, that nvidia page lists two more options that are needed | 12:44 |
| Treenaks | pitti: they're not needed here.. | 12:44 |
| tepsipakki | yeah, maybe that page is a bit outdated | 12:45 |
| pitti | Treenaks: neither here, but 'RenderAccel' sounds more like 'nice to have' | 12:45 |
| pitti | Treenaks: "AllowGLXWithComposite" -> does OpenGL work for you with compiz enabled? | 12:45 |
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| Treenaks | pitti: yes.. hmm.. but I have that one in my config file | 12:46 |
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| Treenaks | Why is that a config option anyway.. | 12:46 |
| Treenaks | _of course_ you want that | 12:46 |
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| tfheen | mvo: can I nag you about #75882 as well? | 12:47 |
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| Hobbsee | heya tfheen | 12:48 |
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| tfheen | hiya Sarah. | 12:48 |
| mvo | tfheen: let me check | 12:49 |
| pitti | gosh, I know I complained loudly about lack of 'snapping' when moving/resizing windows - but now it is so snappy that I cannot move it *at all* any more | 12:49 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: hm, glx works for me without this option | 12:50 |
| Treenaks | pitti: ok.. | 12:50 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: btw, is there any way I could continue to use ctrl+alt+left/right to switch desktops? | 12:52 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I do so.. so yes | 12:52 |
| Treenaks | pitti: enable the cube, then it works automatically for me | 12:52 |
| pitti | Treenaks: doesn't make a difference | 12:52 |
| tepsipakki | cube doesn't work at all for me | 12:53 |
| pitti | I get no cube with this either on or off, enabling compiz collapses all my windows to the first desktop, so I move them back, and I can't switch them with the keyboard | 12:53 |
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| === pitti wonders how people don't get crazy with these jumping and fading menus | ||
| tfheen | pitti: they take drugs against craziness. | 12:55 |
| seb128 | the fading is quite nice | 12:55 |
| Treenaks | pitti: maybe you should reset /apps/compiz in gconf? | 12:55 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: they get over it, then disable it. | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | hhaa | 12:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: it doesn't bounce much, maybe you have some gconf weird values? | 12:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: gconf --recursive-unset /apps/gconf | 12:55 |
| seb128 | ups | 12:55 |
| seb128 | /apps/compiz | 12:56 |
| seb128 | graaa | 12:56 |
| seb128 | gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/compiz | 12:56 |
| seb128 | I mean | 12:56 |
| doko | tfheen: OOo had a disagreement with pkgstriptranslations, resulting in an empty translation tarball; have to upload again. could you hint the i386 build to palmer? | 12:57 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, thanks; manually unsetting them is a pain | 12:57 |
| seb128 | np | 12:57 |
| pitti | seb128: I take it I have to restart the session now? | 12:57 |
| tfheen | doko: ugh, yes, I could. Tell me when you upload? | 12:57 |
| doko | tfheen: will do | 12:57 |
| tfheen | doko: that is, when it's uploaded. | 12:57 |
| pitti | brb | 12:58 |
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| pitti | seb128: ah, now I can switch desktops again, thanks; edge resistance is gone, too, though | 01:00 |
| pitti | well, with xchat at least (I think it didn't work with it before either) | 01:01 |
| seb128 | pitti: just restart compiz should be enough | 01:01 |
| pitti | seb128: menus are still bouncy and slowly fading | 01:01 |
| seb128 | pitti: you need to activate wobbly to get edge resistance, there is a bug about that | 01:01 |
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| pitti | seb128: I do have that enabled | 01:02 |
| seb128 | k, dunno then, that's a bug | 01:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: https://launchpad.net/bugs/73700 | 01:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73700 in compiz "Lacks edge resistence" [Low,Confirmed] | 01:02 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, gaim <-> gnome-terminal window snapping works, but not xchat <-> xchat | 01:03 |
| ogra | heno, popping it in and checking that g-a-i does the right thing ois enough for the add-on Cd ... | 01:03 |
| ogra | for4 winfoss the regulart winfoss testing procedures (if you have any) should apply | 01:04 |
| heno | ogra: ok, thanks | 01:05 |
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| doko | tfheen: OOo uploaded | 01:15 |
| tfheen | doko: cheers. | 01:16 |
| Keybuk | interesting GPG vulnerability there | 01:16 |
| Keybuk | afaict, Evolution is unaffected as it already takes care to separate parts? | 01:16 |
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| mooey | seb128, is the sebastien mentioned at the end of bug 90439 yourself? if so, do you want it assigned to you? | 01:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90439 in gnome-launch-box "gnome-launch-box 0.2 is out" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90439 | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | mooey: that'd violate freeze, to put it in | 01:23 |
| mooey | Hobbsee, i mentioned that in the ticket | 01:24 |
| mooey | erk, bug report * | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 01:24 |
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| ogra | mvo, somehow your gdebi pbuilder script doesnt work over here ... | 01:32 |
| cbx33 | ogra: you there? | 01:34 |
| cbx33 | quick question | 01:34 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: present for you, dropping gparted/qtparted from the live CDs | 01:34 |
| mvo | ogra: oh? you have the latest gdebi/pbuilder/python-apt | 01:35 |
| Ixan | hmm.. need some tips on debugging here. Booting herd 5 iso, but the installer exits to busybox almost immediatly. reporting "udevd-event[2004] : run_program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit". | 01:35 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: \o/ | 01:35 |
| mvo | ogra: do you get any error message? | 01:35 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: you rock. | 01:35 |
| ogra | mvo, hmm. python-apt wasnt updaed ... but the others were ... | 01:35 |
| ogra | let me do that ... | 01:35 |
| ogra | cjwatson, sad, its a helpful system recovery/maintenance tool ... | 01:36 |
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| mvo | ogra: what arch? | 01:37 |
| cjwatson | ogra: easy enough to install from applications -> add/remove... | 01:37 |
| ogra | mvo, i386 | 01:37 |
| ogra | cjwatson, indeed ... | 01:37 |
| cjwatson | ogra: at any rate, if somebody really wants it back, it can be seeded - just that ubiquity no longer requires it | 01:37 |
| ogra | i agree with its exclusion ... | 01:37 |
| ogra | its just that many people will be unhappy .... one of knoppix' biggest advantages was always the inclusion of such stuff ... | 01:38 |
| ogra | but hey, you cant have everything :) | 01:38 |
| cjwatson | seriously, feel free to put it back. I'm not responsible for it any more that's all | 01:39 |
| seb128 | mooey: no, not me, probably slomo | 01:39 |
| mooey | seb128, hokay, ty | 01:40 |
| seb128 | np | 01:40 |
| slomo | mooey: yes, herzi meant me... i'll look at it later today but if you want to update the package feel free to do it :) | 01:41 |
| mooey | slomo, packaging is beyond me :-) i'll move the bug over to yourself | 01:43 |
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| heno | gparted can help mildly experienced people fix stuff, but can also help very inexperienced people break everything | 01:51 |
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| pitti | tfheen: ok, dbus with new runlevels fixed/tested/uploaded | 01:58 |
| pitti | slomo: I'll commit your avahi upload to the LP bzr now; can you please use the bzr branch in the future? | 02:02 |
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| slomo | pitti: sure | 02:03 |
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| tfheen | pitti: yay you. :-) | 02:03 |
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| heno | doko: the new OOo looks lovely :) | 02:12 |
| Treenaks | it's lots faster too | 02:13 |
| heno | it does feel snappy, yes | 02:13 |
| Treenaks | and for some reason it lists /dev/.static/dev in the file -> open menu | 02:13 |
| doko | thanks | 02:13 |
| Treenaks | instead of / | 02:13 |
| Treenaks | uhr.. file open dialog, not menu | 02:14 |
| geser | tfheen: have you looked already at the fuse UVF? | 02:15 |
| Treenaks | doko: is there a 'short changelog' from upstream? with notable fixes/features? | 02:15 |
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| doko | heno: there are some crashes reported in libgail, didn't look at it yet | 02:15 |
| doko | Treenaks: yes, the release notes in my mail to -devel (or -devel-discuss) | 02:16 |
| Treenaks | doko: hmm.. *checks mailinglist subscriptions* | 02:16 |
| heno | ok, I guess that's expected. updates of almost any package tends to break a11y support a bit | 02:16 |
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| seb128 | tfheen: could you give a build retry to totem? | 02:26 |
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| seb128 | ogra: I'll update gnome-screensaver with that patch for mouse change | 02:27 |
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| _ion | The Ubuntu Weekly News feed at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/uwn/feed seems to be outdated. It lists issue #28 as the newest one. Where should i report this? | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | try #ubuntu-doc there might be a fridge editor online | 02:41 |
| jwendell | dholbach_, i need your help. are you around? | 02:42 |
| _ion | Ok, thanks | 02:42 |
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| saispo | hi, anyone know if it's possible to have a repository with alphabetical order such as ubuntu with mini-dinstall ? or i must use other programs ? thks | 02:43 |
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| mvo | seb128: I'm looking into verifying bug #73021 what steps are required to make it crash? | 02:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73021 in nautilus "fm_tree_model_unref_node fails ref_count > 0 assert" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73021 | 02:49 |
| seb128 | mvo: no idea | 02:49 |
| seb128 | mvo: there is just some hundred dups upstream | 02:49 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, that is a problem with the current verification process. when "crashes-randomly" bugs get fixed :) | 02:51 |
| Treenaks | mvo: well, the fix must hint at where the problem is, and make it easier to reproduce that? | 02:52 |
| seb128 | mvo: feel free to reject it, upstream asked for it because they got hundred of dups | 02:52 |
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| seb128 | Treenaks: race condition are not always easy to trigger | 02:52 |
| Treenaks | seb128: good point | 02:52 |
| mvo | seb128 rejecting seems a bit much | 02:53 |
| seb128 | mvo: well, I've no way to trigger the crash and if that's required we are stucked | 02:53 |
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| seb128 | mvo: either you accept or reject it, your call ;) | 02:54 |
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| dholbach_ | jwendell: I can try | 03:09 |
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| seb128 | dholbach: do what? | 03:09 |
| dholbach | seb128: <jwendell> dholbach_, i need your help. are you around? | 03:10 |
| ivoks | seb128: what are you doing on 31st of march? :) | 03:10 |
| jwendell | dholbach, i've got a package with no patches dir, wich doesn't use cdbs. How can i patch that package? How can i proceed? | 03:10 |
| seb128 | ivoks: enjoying a saturday far from computers after a week of Ubuntu work, why? ;) | 03:10 |
| dholbach | jwendell: you can use dpatch | 03:10 |
| ivoks | doh... :) | 03:10 |
| ivoks | seb128: we are planing a conference in croatia, so if you are interested.. | 03:11 |
| jwendell | dholbach, will dpatch create a new patches dir and files like 01_patch_something.patch like cdbs does? | 03:11 |
| dholbach | jwendell: install dpatch and check out /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples/rules/rules.new.dh.gz for an example | 03:11 |
| dholbach | jwendell: yes | 03:12 |
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| seb128 | ivoks: thanks, but no thank you, I feel like doing computer break during the WE atm, and we already some Ubuntu confs coming, GUADEC, etc | 03:13 |
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| ivoks | ok :/ | 03:16 |
| ivoks | these gnome guys... :) | 03:16 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: bug 89461 milestoned for beta; I have a fix in hand, just need to test it | 03:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89461 in ubiquity "system-partitions-formatted validation missing from new partitioner" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89461 | 03:25 |
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| Treenaks | and a pony! | 04:00 |
| mvo | we have a pony! | 04:00 |
| torkel | and sun instead of snow | 04:00 |
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| seb128 | OOPS-432BC619 | 04:14 |
| seb128 | mvo: it used to work on that chan, bot is probably not happy or something :p | 04:15 |
| seb128 | I got a OOPS-432D1433 | 04:15 |
| Ubugtu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/432D1433 | 04:15 |
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| mvo | seb128: thanks, looks like it is not happy with my oops | 04:17 |
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| seb128 | mvo: yeah, it doesn't like the number | 04:17 |
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| ogra | seb128, you mean the xnest one ? | 04:23 |
| seb128 | ogra: yep, I've the package ready to upload | 04:23 |
| ogra | great ! :) | 04:23 |
| seb128 | and I tested it fixes xnest and an another bug we had open about a game being broken | 04:23 |
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| mooey | pochu, you were right about that mozilla bug | 04:39 |
| mooey | somebody from the mozilla team unrejected it and set it to needsinfo =) | 04:39 |
| pochu | hehe | 04:40 |
| pochu | mooey: I'm always right :-P | 04:40 |
| === mooey bows | ||
| mooey | i am not worth | 04:40 |
| mooey | +y | 04:40 |
| === pochu searches 'bows' in the dictionary :) | ||
| pochu | hehe :) | 04:41 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:48 |
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| tfheen | geser: no, sorry, I haven't | 04:53 |
| tfheen | seb128: given-back. | 04:54 |
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| seb128 | tfheen: thank you | 04:59 |
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| tbf | seb128: why that name? | 05:23 |
| seb128 | 0 is the soname version | 05:23 |
| seb128 | we do that so we can ship different packages which don't conflict when the soname change | 05:24 |
| ogra_ | there is a recent thread on the debian-gtk-gnome list about it | 05:24 |
| seb128 | all the libs have that version to the package (or should have) | 05:24 |
| tbf | ok. | 05:25 |
| jwendell | dholbach, will dpatch create a new patches dir and files like 01_patch_something.patch like cdbs does? | 05:26 |
| pitti | jwendell: yes, it will | 05:27 |
| dholbach | jwendell: I answered that question with yes already :-))) | 05:27 |
| jwendell | dholbach, sorry | 05:27 |
| dholbach | jwendell: install dpatch and check out /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples/rules/rules.new.dh.gz for an example | 05:27 |
| pitti | jwendell: just make sure to add new patches to debian/patches/00list | 05:27 |
| jwendell | dholbach, pitti it was supposed to be /clear :) | 05:27 |
| pitti | jwendell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources | 05:27 |
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| j1mc | greets, somerville32 | 05:47 |
| pitti | kylem: would you be fine with doing the i386/alternate test cases instead of amd64 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Matrix? | 05:47 |
| kylem | yeah, that's not a problem. | 05:48 |
| pitti | kylem: my quota limits the number of architectures I can download | 05:48 |
| pitti | kylem: thanks; I'll swap that on the wiki page then | 05:48 |
| somerville32 | Hi j1mc :) | 05:48 |
| kylem | pitti, ok. np. | 05:49 |
| j1mc | somerville32 how are you doing lately? i hope you're getting better. | 05:49 |
| somerville32 | j1mc: I'm doing better. Still in the hospital but doing better :) | 05:49 |
| j1mc | somerville32 good to hear | 05:50 |
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| pitti | dholbach, mdz: I'd like to swap your alternate/rescue test on amd64 with the i386 one assigned to me | 05:50 |
| dholbach | pitti: fine with me | 05:51 |
| pitti | thanks | 05:51 |
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| kylem | pitti, i can test whatever, it's not a big deal for me to grab stuff. | 05:51 |
| seb128 | urg | 05:51 |
| seb128 | why do I get all the DVD installations? | 05:51 |
| seb128 | I don't have the bandwith for syncing those | 05:52 |
| tfheen_ | seb128: I'll swap you those for whatever I have | 05:52 |
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| tfheen_ | my DSL needs exercise. | 05:52 |
| seb128 | tfheen_: you have nothing | 05:52 |
| seb128 | how come? | 05:52 |
| tfheen_ | I only have DVD live session, it seems | 05:53 |
| seb128 | only DVD live session on amd64 | 05:53 |
| seb128 | yeah | 05:53 |
| seb128 | slacker :p | 05:53 |
| tfheen_ | indeed. :-) | 05:53 |
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| tfheen_ | but feel free to give me the DVD cases | 05:53 |
| seb128 | tfheen_: if you want to take the amd64 DVD that would be nice | 05:53 |
| seb128 | I can do i386 | 05:53 |
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| tfheen_ | sure | 05:54 |
| seb128 | thank you | 05:54 |
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| pitti | mvo, ogra_, seb128: so, as proud ATI card owners, could you please send me some recipes how to turn a virgin Ubuntu installation (with the free ati driver configured) into an fglrx one? (packages, special xorg.conf options, other changes) | 05:59 |
| ogra | pitti, binaryDriverHowto ? | 06:00 |
| pitti | ogra: that is still fully valid for feisty? | 06:00 |
| ogra | thats what i would follow :) | 06:00 |
| ogra | dunno ... | 06:00 |
| mvo | pitti: sure, but my machine does not work with the free ati driver, vesa is the only altenative | 06:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: install xorg-driver-fglrx and change use fglrx instead of ati to xorg.conf | 06:00 |
| pitti | well, I'd rather have a tested recipe | 06:00 |
| ogra | my card runs with fglrx if i want to, but i never really wanted ;) | 06:00 |
| pitti | seb128: that's it? no special driver options and such? | 06:00 |
| seb128 | no | 06:00 |
| pitti | great | 06:01 |
| pitti | that should be easy enough then | 06:01 |
| seb128 | I don't use fglrx, dunno about tweaking options for speedup, etc | 06:01 |
| seb128 | doing that works fine to run fglrx | 06:01 |
| mvo | AFAIK there are special options reqiured | 06:01 |
| mvo | at least it was the case for edgy | 06:01 |
| mvo | I will recheck for feisty | 06:01 |
| pitti | mvo: thank you | 06:01 |
| seb128 | works without option for me | 06:01 |
| ogra | you had to switch off AIXGL | 06:01 |
| ogra | err AIGLX | 06:01 |
| seb128 | ok, I'm away for ~1 hour for sport, bbl | 06:01 |
| pitti | I'll implement seb128's basic steps for now, they are necessary in any case | 06:01 |
| === mvo knows all aobut the flglrx pain as its his only option | ||
| mvo | have fun seb128 | 06:02 |
| seb128 | I'll reply when I'm back if you need anything | 06:02 |
| seb128 | mvo: thank you | 06:02 |
| Seveas | pitti, don't forget to switch of composite... | 06:02 |
| tbf | seb128: just 1hour? | 06:02 |
| pitti | Seveas: how does that translate into an xorg.conf Option? | 06:02 |
| tbf | not quite much | 06:02 |
| Seveas | Section "Extensions" | 06:03 |
| Seveas | Option "Composite" "0" | 06:03 |
| Seveas | EndSection | 06:03 |
| seb128 | tbf: enough for some exercice ;) | 06:03 |
| mdz | pitti: that's fine | 06:05 |
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| pitti | Seveas: ugh, is that part of a default xorg.conf? it's not in mine (I have nvidia, though) | 06:06 |
| mvo | pitti: no, its not part of the default config | 06:06 |
| pitti | Seveas: ah, you have to add the entire section yourself? that's painful, dexconf-wise | 06:06 |
| pitti | mvo: can it be specified in the Driver section as well? | 06:06 |
| Seveas | fglrx is painful | 06:07 |
| mvo | pitti: AFAIK not | 06:07 |
| pitti | urgh, that cries for more dexconf work | 06:07 |
| mvo | pitti: we could use the guidance backend for xorg.conf manipulation | 06:07 |
| mjg59 | It would make more sense to fix X | 06:08 |
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| mjg59 | Can you confirm that it's necessary for current fglrx? | 06:09 |
| mvo | no, I need to test that | 06:09 |
| mvo | it used to be, but I set it up with edgy, haven't tried with latest feisty yet | 06:10 |
| Seveas | there was no indication in ATI changelogs that it's no longer necessary | 06:10 |
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| mjg59 | Adding extra options to xorg.conf in the installer is almost always the wrong answer | 06:10 |
| Seveas | fglrx needs to be fixed | 06:11 |
| mjg59 | Well, fundamentally, yes | 06:11 |
| mjg59 | But we can't do that | 06:12 |
| Seveas | let's test if it's still neccessary, brb | 06:12 |
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| ogra | mjg59, while youre around, any do you have idea about bug 81227 ? | 06:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81227 in hal "Logout screen appears twice [Feisty] " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81227 | 06:15 |
| ogra | i'm sure one of the events has to vanish, i'm just not sure which one | 06:15 |
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| Seveas | (II) fglrx(0): Composite extension enabled, disabling direct rendering | 06:16 |
| Seveas | (WW) fglrx(0): *********************************************** | 06:16 |
| Seveas | (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * | 06:16 |
| Seveas | (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * | 06:16 |
| Seveas | (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) * | 06:16 |
| Seveas | (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available * | 06:16 |
| Seveas | (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* * | 06:16 |
| Seveas | so yeah, still neccessary | 06:16 |
| pitti | bah, this is ugly | 06:17 |
| pitti | Seveas: thanks for testing, though | 06:17 |
| pitti | Keybuk: oh, I just saw that there's no r-m infrastructure yet to detect whether a driver can be loaded in the first place, right? | 06:18 |
| Keybuk | right | 06:18 |
| pitti | Keybuk: like, disabling nvidia stuff on ATI cards and vice versa | 06:18 |
| mjg59 | pitti: They won't be loaded unless something asks for them to be loaded | 06:19 |
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| pitti | mjg59: well, but if we install nvidia-glx and set driver to nvidia in xorg.conf, although the user has ATI, that would be pretty bad | 06:20 |
| pitti | and is in fact what happened to me on my laptop | 06:20 |
| mjg59 | Why are conffiles being edited on package installation? | 06:20 |
| pitti | mjg59: they are not | 06:20 |
| mjg59 | Oh. | 06:20 |
| pitti | mjg59: restricted-manager changes them when the user enables/disables a driver | 06:20 |
| pitti | also, xorg.conf is not a conffile | 06:21 |
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| delire_ | i have a couple of pretty basic questions regarding modding for ioquake3 on Linux. i'm changing cvars - even removing them altogether - manipulating weapons, yet i never see the effects in game. the cvars are there and the weapons are unaltered. i've run a make clean and copied the entire baseq3 directory from the build directory into my fs_game path (ie ~/.q3a/modname/baseq3) and am running it with ioquake3 +set fs_game +devmap | 06:33 |
| delire_ | oops | 06:33 |
| delire_ | sorry about that all. | 06:33 |
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| kaktuspalme | Hi | 06:38 |
| kaktuspalme | a new cups package or a lib cups package, has disabled lpr in feisty fawn | 06:39 |
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| kaktuspalme | oh sorry | 06:40 |
| Riddell | pitti: adept in edgy-proposed failed to compile :( | 06:40 |
| Riddell | pitti: it's just autotools breaking, I think I ran the autoconf buildprep on feisty | 06:40 |
| Riddell | pitti: this patch fixes it http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept.debdiff | 06:40 |
| pitti | Riddell: ok | 06:41 |
| Riddell | pitti: I'll upload | 06:42 |
| pitti | I'll look in the queue in 10 minutes | 06:42 |
| pitti | Seveas, mvo, seb128: can you send me a mail or pastebin with your lspci output? | 06:45 |
| Seveas | pitti, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9266/ | 06:46 |
| mvo | pitti: the full one? or just the VGA line? | 06:47 |
| mvo | pitti: nevermind, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9267/ | 06:48 |
| pitti | Seveas, mvo: thanks | 06:49 |
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| j1mc | i'm having a hard time finding the bug pertaining to kubuntu amd64 partitioning problems. it was present right up prior to herd 5. has that been fixed? | 07:00 |
| Riddell | j1mc: "the bug" is a bit unspecific, there was a bug in the new manual partitioner that stopped most edit and create operations which I fixed | 07:02 |
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| j1mc | Riddell: thanks . . . | 07:07 |
| j1mc | Riddell: that is what i was referring to, manual partitioning problems in kubuntu on AMD 64. | 07:07 |
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| Riddell | pitti: don't forget adept :) | 07:30 |
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| pitti | Riddell: done | 07:31 |
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| kaktuspalme | in the new cups hasn't got lpd | 07:47 |
| kaktuspalme | the new cups package | 07:47 |
| kaktuspalme | isn't this channel for such problems? | 07:47 |
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| Athensman | has anyone here had any problems installing XuBuntu??? | 07:49 |
| pitti | kaktuspalme: no, please file a bug against cupsys ('ubuntu-bug -p cupsys' preferably) | 07:50 |
| kaktuspalme | pitti, ok thx | 07:50 |
| pitti | ogra_: would you have some minutes to test my first cut at ATi support in restricted-maanager? | 07:51 |
| Athensman | has anyone here had any problems installing XuBuntu??? | 07:52 |
| Riddell | Athensman: -> #xubuntu | 07:52 |
| pitti | anyone else with an ATI card and some minutes to test restricted-manager? | 07:54 |
| johanbr | pitti: yes. What do you want tested, specifically? | 07:55 |
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| Lure | pitti: I can (using ati now) | 07:56 |
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| pitti | johanbr, Lure: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/restricted-manager/trunk/ | 07:56 |
| pitti | johanbr, Lure: I would like to test whether, starting from a virgin situation (i. e. free ati driver configured and no custom changes in xorg.conf), restricted-manager can correctly configure the restricted fglrx driver | 07:57 |
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| Lure | pitti: I just have three additional lines in Monitor (needed due to recent regression) | 07:59 |
| pitti | Lure: ok; r-m backs up your xorg.conf | 07:59 |
| === Lure is pulling depends of - is running on kubuntu and no pygtk ;-) | ||
| pitti | Lure: if you added them manually, it'll clobber them; if you used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it should be fine | 07:59 |
| pitti | Lure: oh, sorry :) | 07:59 |
| Lure | pitti: no problem | 08:00 |
| pitti | Lure: apt-get install restricted-manager is probably the easiest way to do that | 08:00 |
| Lure | pitti: that is what I am doing... | 08:00 |
| Lure | pitti: does it install fglrx packages or just change xorg.conf? | 08:01 |
| pitti | Lure: both | 08:01 |
| pitti | Lure: and if you disable the driver, it removes the fglrx package again | 08:01 |
| Lure | pitti: installing might not work ok kubuntu - what do you use to install package | 08:01 |
| pitti | Lure: ah, right, synaptic | 08:01 |
| === pitti adds a dependency | ||
| Lure | pitti: you need to fix depends - "import gnome" | 08:02 |
| johanbr | pitti: First problem: "Must be run as member of admin group". My user *is* a member of the admin group. Same result when running as root. | 08:02 |
| Lure | pitti: which package am I missing? | 08:02 |
| pitti | Lure: ah, /me adds python-gnome2 as well, thanks | 08:03 |
| pitti | johanbr: ah, right; please apt-get install restricted-manager | 08:03 |
| pitti | johanbr: that will take care of creating the /var directory, as well as give you the icons | 08:03 |
| === Lure is getting bunch of gnome packages on his clean Kubuntu ;-( | ||
| === Lure has another reason to try Beta from fresh install ;-) | ||
| pitti | Lure: I guess apt-get remove --purge libglib2.0-0 should clean up pretty much everything afterwards | 08:04 |
| Lure | pitti: no problem, I am just joking... | 08:05 |
| Lure | pitti: but thanks for the tip ;-) | 08:05 |
| Lure | pitti: it will take some more minutes - main archive is slow for me (10-20K/s) | 08:05 |
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| Lure | pitti: another depends missing: import egg.trayicon | 08:08 |
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| pitti | Lure: python-gnome2-extras, thanks | 08:09 |
| === Lure gets even more gnome stuff... | ||
| === Lure is expecting lots of fancy stuff in r-m with all this dependancies ;-) | ||
| pitti | Lure: it's all part of the s3kr3t gnome world domination plan | 08:10 |
| Lure | pitti: lol | 08:10 |
| johanbr | pitti: Alright, have to restart X. Just a minute. | 08:12 |
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| Lure | pitti: | 08:15 |
| Lure | ./restricted-manager:45: DeprecationWarning: the module egg.trayicon is deprecated; equivalent functionality can now be found in pygtk 2.10 | 08:15 |
| Lure | import egg.trayicon | 08:15 |
| Lure | pitti: do I need gtksu or is sudo or kdesu ok? | 08:15 |
| pitti | Lure: sudo is okay | 08:15 |
| pitti | Lure: I get that warning as well, ignore for now | 08:16 |
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| pochu | heya mbiebl :) | 08:16 |
| Lure | pitti: I have bunch of Fritz cards marked as Enabled. Is this OK? | 08:16 |
| pitti | Lure: yes | 08:17 |
| pitti | Lure: 'Enabled' means 'allow', not 'in use' | 08:17 |
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| Lure | pitti: crash on Enable ATI: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/69 | 08:17 |
| mbiebl | pochu: hi | 08:17 |
| pitti | Lure: oh, that called synaptic | 08:18 |
| pochu | mbiebl: I've closed some tracker bugs - 0.5.4-4 has been successfuly uploaded | 08:18 |
| pitti | Lure: bzr head has the dependency now | 08:18 |
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| pochu | pitti: does r-m installs the intel propietary drivers? :-P | 08:19 |
| pitti | Lure: sorry :/ | 08:19 |
| pitti | pochu: the WHAT? | 08:19 |
| pochu | hehehe | 08:19 |
| mbiebl | pochu: cool, thanks | 08:19 |
| pitti | *phew* | 08:19 |
| === pochu would like to test :( | ||
| pitti | pochu: don't scare me like this | 08:19 |
| Lure | pitti: nopb, btw is this written to be able to add PyQt4 backend easily? | 08:19 |
| === pochu laughs | ||
| pitti | pochu: really? if you have an Intel card, then you can rest in piece and be happy with free software ;) | 08:19 |
| pochu | pitti: or I can develop my own drivers, and release them as closed source :) | 08:20 |
| pitti | Lure: the backend stuff is UI agnostic, but the GUI itself needs to be rewritten | 08:20 |
| pochu | pitti: then you could add them to r-m ;) | 08:20 |
| Treenaks | pitti: well... you could consider the ipw39xx things restricted :) | 08:20 |
| tepsipakki | intel works OOTB with compiz | 08:20 |
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| tepsipakki | in feisty | 08:20 |
| Lure | Treenaks: they are listes in r-m | 08:20 |
| Lure | s/listes/listed/ | 08:20 |
| === Treenaks tries | ||
| pitti | Lure: right, the wifi ones | 08:21 |
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| pitti | Lure: so, at least you saw the fglrx driver in the list, and you didn't see the nvidia ones? | 08:21 |
| khermans_ | isn't /tmp supposed to be cleaned up on reboot automatically? | 08:21 |
| Lure | pitti: synaptic is downloading something... | 08:21 |
| pitti | khermans_yes | 08:21 |
| khermans_ | i think it is a bug that files get deleted, but not directories | 08:21 |
| pitti | Lure: if the ATI/nvidia check worked correctly, that's already progress :) | 08:21 |
| Lure | pitti: suprise: it is fglrx package ;-) | 08:21 |
| khermans_ | pitti, do you see the same thing? | 08:22 |
| pitti | khermans_: actually not | 08:22 |
| khermans_ | pitti, why not? | 08:22 |
| khermans_ | pitti, it used to be that way | 08:22 |
| Lure | pitti: main window is blocked when synpatic runs, but you probably already know that | 08:22 |
| johanbr | pitti: No luck. Tried enabling fglrx twice, there's a trace at http://nullinfinity.org/tmp/log . The second enabling attempt begins at the line starting "debconf:". | 08:22 |
| pitti | Lure: right, UI detail | 08:22 |
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| pitti | johanbr: ah, that's helpful | 08:23 |
| pochu | Treenaks: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ <--- isn't it open source? | 08:23 |
| kylem | pochu, needs a binary userspace daemon. | 08:23 |
| ivoks | right | 08:24 |
| khermans_ | pitti, can you explain why /tmp cleanup is not a bug in new kernel? | 08:24 |
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| khermans_ | in feisty ... | 08:24 |
| pitti | khermans_: it should be cleaned up; if not, please file a bug against sysvinit | 08:24 |
| pitti | johanbr, Lure: I fixed johanbr's exception, please do 'bzr pull' (in trunk/) | 08:25 |
| khermans_ | pitti, you said not removing directories was not a bug | 08:25 |
| khermans_ | ok i will file it | 08:25 |
| pitti | khermans_: no, I meant that it is a bug | 08:25 |
| pitti | khermans_: <pitti> khermans_: actually not -> that was for 'do you see the same thing?' | 08:25 |
| pitti | johanbr: it seems you have a stale debconf process somewhere? 'DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process' | 08:26 |
| johanbr | pitti: I think that's 'cause I already clicked on "Enable" once. | 08:26 |
| pitti | right, I was just about to say that | 08:27 |
| johanbr | pitti: With the bug fix, fglrx is already listed as "Enabled" but not "In use". I can click under "Enabled" to disable the driver, but clicking under "In use" does nothing. Is that the way it's supposed to be? | 08:28 |
| pochu | luckily I have ipw2200 :) | 08:28 |
| pitti | johanbr: yes; 'in use' would be on after you restarted X with fglrx being, well, 'in use' | 08:28 |
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| pitti | johanbr: can you check your xorg.conf? | 08:28 |
| johanbr | pitti: Okay. But r-m doesn't seem to have done anything to xorg.conf. | 08:28 |
| pitti | johanbr: enabling installs the fglrx package, disabling uninstalls it again, and xorg.conf has the correct driver (ati/fglrx) in both cases? | 08:29 |
| Lure | pitti: after download, I got this: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/70 | 08:29 |
| pitti | Lure: right, johanbr had this as well; please 'bzr pull' for the fix | 08:29 |
| johanbr | pitti: Enabling/disabling doesn't seem to install/uninstall anything. Also, xorg.conf stays the way I configured it, with the "ati" driver. | 08:30 |
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| pitti | johanbr: hmm | 08:30 |
| Lure | pitti: now is enabled, but not in use - will restart X to see if I get back | 08:31 |
| johanbr | pitti: Now it uninstalls fglrx, when I restarted r-m. Weird! | 08:31 |
| pitti | johanbr: if you start r-m, is it shown as enabled or disabled? and which driver do you use in xrog.conf ATM? | 08:31 |
| === Lure restarting -> brb | ||
| pitti | johanbr: you mean it uninstalled fglrx right after starting, without clicking anything?? | 08:32 |
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| johanbr | pitti: No, it was listed as "Enabled" and I clicked. :) | 08:33 |
| pitti | johanbr: ah *phew* | 08:33 |
| pitti | Lure: wb :) | 08:33 |
| Lure | pitti: running fglrx | 08:34 |
| pitti | \o/ | 08:34 |
| pitti | Lure: glxgears work? compiz doesn't, I assume? | 08:34 |
| johanbr | pitti: I just saw I got this: dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; | 08:34 |
| johanbr | xserver-xorg/config/monitor/identifier not set. Aborting. Reconfigure the X | 08:34 |
| johanbr | server with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to correct this problem. | 08:34 |
| pitti | uh | 08:35 |
| pitti | johanbr: was this a customized xorg.conf? | 08:35 |
| johanbr | pitti: yes | 08:35 |
| pitti | johanbr: ah, can you please back it up and do the dpkg-reconfigure? | 08:35 |
| pitti | I guess there's no way to automatically handle customized configs | 08:35 |
| johanbr | pitti: Sure, just a sec. | 08:36 |
| pitti | I should check for this and don't touch it in this case, though | 08:36 |
| Lure | pitti: 300fps and high cpu load - I suspect 3d is not working properly | 08:36 |
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| pitti | Lure: glxinfo should tell you | 08:36 |
| johanbr | Lure: Check "glxinfo |grep direct" | 08:36 |
| Lure | pitti: no :-( | 08:36 |
| Lure | pitti: Mesa GLX Indirect | 08:37 |
| pitti | Lure: is the glx module enabled? | 08:37 |
| Lure | pitti: it is in xorg.conf | 08:37 |
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| pitti | Lure: or, asked differently, I currently enable the glx module and don't touch the other ones. What else do I need to do? | 08:38 |
| pitti | Lure: e. g. for nvidia we have to disable the GLcore and dri modules | 08:38 |
| Lure | pitti: not sure, I did not use fglrx for a year or more | 08:38 |
| pitti | Lure: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might also have interesting things | 08:38 |
| pitti | Lure: well, 300 fps you say? that doesn't sound *that* bad, does it? | 08:39 |
| Lure | pitti: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable | 08:39 |
| Lure | pitti: it might be my laptop (hp nw8240 with x700) | 08:39 |
| pitti | Lure: on amd64/3000 with nvidia radeon 5200 I get 280 fps fullscreen | 08:40 |
| johanbr | pitti: Okay, did the reconfigure, selected "ati" driver, then let r-m modify xorg.conf to use fglrx. Will restart X now to check that it worked... | 08:40 |
| pitti | Lure: well, at least it didn't completely screw up your system then? | 08:40 |
| Lure | pitti: it did not | 08:41 |
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| pitti | Lure: if you disable it again, it should uninstall the package and reset xorg.conf to ati, and make X work again with the free driver | 08:41 |
| Lure | trying | 08:41 |
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| pitti | johanbr: wb | 08:41 |
| Lure | pitti: in use is off... | 08:41 |
| pitti | Lure: oh, second | 08:42 |
| johanbr | pitti: Yep, that worked, I'm now running fglrx. DRI doesn't work though, but I guess that might be a kernel module conflict that requires a reboot. | 08:43 |
| pitti | Lure: hm, you are using the fglrx driver ATM and it says 'not in use'? | 08:43 |
| Lure | pitti: yes | 08:43 |
| pitti | Lure: lsmod | grep fglrx | 08:43 |
| Lure | pitti: now I have disabled it already | 08:43 |
| Lure | pitti: nothing | 08:43 |
| pitti | Lure: right, but if you disable it while X still runs with fglrx, it should still be 'in use' | 08:43 |
| pitti | Lure: the lsmod | grep is basically what r-m uses to decide 'in use' | 08:43 |
| pitti | Lure: could you please observe this behaviour in different cases and file a bug? | 08:44 |
| pitti | Lure: (ubuntu-bug -p restricted-manager) | 08:44 |
| Lure | pitti: will do | 08:44 |
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| pitti | johanbr: the fglrx driver might just require to disable the X.org dri module | 08:44 |
| pitti | Lure: a thousand thanks for your help! | 08:45 |
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| wasabi_ | So. Um. What the hell is with the idiotic settings pdflush has? When I put my system under heavy load it hits 12 processes. | 08:45 |
| johanbr | pitti: No, I had the dri module loaded before, with working direct rendering under fglrx. | 08:45 |
| pitti | johanbr: ah, ok; then I leave it enabled | 08:45 |
| wasabi_ | 12 processes get WAAAY to much CPU and starve the rest of the system. | 08:46 |
| johanbr | pitti: I'll reboot to check if it works then. Just a minute... | 08:46 |
| pitti | johanbr: ok, I think this will do as the next version; not yet optimal, but at least working somewhat | 08:46 |
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| johanbr | pitti: No, it wasn't stray kernel modules. My old xorg.conf gives me direct rendering, but the one written by r-m doesn't. I'll have a look at the files... | 08:52 |
| pitti | johanbr: could you file this as a bug report? I'm sorry, but I have to run now | 08:52 |
| pitti | johanbr: your help was awesome, thank you!! | 08:52 |
| johanbr | pitti: Found it! The r-m xorg.conf doesn't disable Composite. | 08:53 |
| pitti | johanbr: ah, that's the issue that mvo mentioned above | 08:53 |
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| johanbr | pitti: Okay. Still want a bug? | 08:53 |
| pitti | <Seveas> Section "Extensions" | 08:53 |
| pitti | <Seveas> Option "Composite" "0" | 08:53 |
| pitti | <Seveas> EndSection | 08:53 |
| pitti | johanbr: ^ this one, right? | 08:53 |
| johanbr | pitti: Yes | 08:54 |
| pitti | johanbr: does composite actually work when you don't disable it? | 08:54 |
| Seveas | no | 08:54 |
| johanbr | pitti: no | 08:54 |
| pitti | ah, so it's not 'you want this or that', but a pure 'unbreak my config' option | 08:54 |
| Seveas | yup | 08:54 |
| pitti | johanbr: alright, I can file it myself then; thanks again! | 08:55 |
| johanbr | You're welcome. Happy to help. | 08:55 |
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| Lure | pitti: can confirm DRI errors due to Composite here | 08:56 |
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| pitti | Lure, johanbr: alright, I filed this as bug 90688 to remind myself | 08:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90688 in Ubuntu "disable composite in fglrx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90688 | 08:57 |
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| Lure | pitti: could we patch xorg instead? I think Composite on by default is Ubuntu specific change, so we could potentially blacklist fglrx | 09:00 |
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| Lure | pitti: this would help also for people not using r-m | 09:00 |
| pitti | Lure: you mean the actual server binary? | 09:00 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: ^ any idea? did this come up in the merge? | 09:00 |
| Lure | pitti: probably - I think we have patch to enable by default comosite - maybe we can make it with blacklist | 09:01 |
| pitti | 019_ubuntu_enable_composite.diff | 09:01 |
| pitti | indeed | 09:01 |
| pitti | yes, I agree that this would be much cleaner | 09:01 |
| Lure | pitti: the only concern might be if ATI fixes xglrx for composte support | 09:01 |
| tepsipakki | whoa, let me read the backlog | 09:01 |
| Lure | pitti: but then we will probably be on feisty+3 already ;-) | 09:02 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: just look at but 90588 | 09:02 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: sorry, bug 90688 | 09:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90688 in xorg "disable composite in fglrx" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90688 | 09:02 |
| pitti | Lure: sure, but then we can still unblacklist it easily | 09:04 |
| Lure | pitti: right | 09:04 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: I definitively prefer not to add completely new sections to xorg.conf which only have one valid setting anyway :/ | 09:04 |
| tepsipakki | enabling Composite has been discussed in debian-x-list recently | 09:05 |
| tepsipakki | and they prefer doing it via the config | 09:05 |
| tepsipakki | we have patched xorg-server like fedora | 09:05 |
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| tepsipakki | bbl -> | 09:08 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: hmmkay | 09:09 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 09:10 |
| johanbr | Lure: There are rumours that the April fglrx release will support Composite. | 09:13 |
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| _StefanS_ | whats the channel for feisty related stuff? | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | ubuntu+1 :) | 09:15 |
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| khermans_ | is there an easier way to debug an nvidia driver issue in a certain call rather than kprobing that address ? | 09:39 |
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| pirast | could anyone please advocate the nomination for dapper in bug 38210? | 09:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38210 in asterisk "AGI is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38210 | 09:40 |
| exobuzz | there was a guy i spoke to on here before, who was reponsible for the mac mini support.. anyone know who it might have been ? | 09:40 |
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| exobuzz | could it have been mdz.. i forget | 09:41 |
| exobuzz | im sure it was a short "nick" | 09:41 |
| exobuzz | oh wait. i should check my logs | 09:42 |
| mdz | exobuzz: you are probably thinking of mjg59 | 09:43 |
| exobuzz | yeh sorry | 09:43 |
| exobuzz | mjg59 | 09:43 |
| exobuzz | mjg59: i just read about Chris Lightfoot. F*ck :( i thought he was on holiday or something. i cant believe it :( | 09:44 |
| jwendell | seb128, around? | 09:48 |
| pochu | pirast: just curiosity, who can do that? the release team? | 09:49 |
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| jwendell | seb128, hi, have a minute (i promess, just a minute) | 09:51 |
| jwendell | seb128_, hi, have a minute (i promess, just a minute) | 09:51 |
| seb128_ | jwendell: Hi, sure | 09:51 |
| seb128_ | jwendell: I've uploaded your gnome-screensaver update, thank you for the work on that, nice to have xnest mouse events working correctly :p | 09:52 |
| jwendell | just a doubt: about bug 84662, you uploaded the new package with a changelog entry wendell@ubuntu? | 09:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84662 in gnome-screensaver "Xnest: ghost mouse" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84662 | 09:52 |
| jwendell | seb128_, is this possible? | 09:52 |
| seb128_ | yep | 09:53 |
| seb128_ | I signed the changes file with my gpg key | 09:53 |
| jwendell | seb128_, ah... good to know this is possible :) | 09:53 |
| jwendell | seb128_, thanks and good night | 09:54 |
| seb128_ | np, 'night | 09:54 |
| pirast | pochu, I saw pitt i and keescoo k being able to do that | 09:56 |
| pochu | pirast: security team then? | 09:57 |
| pirast | pochu, probably all other core-devs can do that | 09:57 |
| keescook | pirast: strangely, my hilighter still went off, even with a space in my name. :) | 09:57 |
| pochu | pirast: hehe, I said that because they two are in the security team | 09:58 |
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| pochu | keescook: heya :) do you know my answer? ^ | 09:58 |
| keescook | pochu: unfortunately, I don't know why I have the perms to do it. :) | 09:58 |
| pirast | keescook, hehe, hi | 09:58 |
| keescook | pirast: hi :) I approved the dapper nomination, btw. feel free to ping me on those things. | 09:58 |
| pochu | hehe | 09:59 |
| pirast | thanks :-) | 09:59 |
| pirast | night | 09:59 |
| pochu | keescook: ping :-P can you approve my nomination for x.org 7.2 and xserver 1.3 for breezy? :) | 09:59 |
| keescook | pochu: hah. I think that might not work. :) | 10:00 |
| tepsipakki | bwahaha | 10:00 |
| pochu | tepsipakki: you are everywhere! | 10:00 |
| pochu | tepsipakki: do you have a highlight for xserver? :P | 10:00 |
| tepsipakki | I try to | 10:00 |
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| tepsipakki | heh, just happened to be here | 10:01 |
| pochu | tepsipakki is everywhere less in fdo ;) | 10:01 |
| pochu | s/less/except/ | 10:02 |
| tepsipakki | does #xorg-devel qualify? | 10:02 |
| alperyilmaz | hi, does anybody here know how to run ubuntu from 2GB usb flash drive? I'm not talking about copying contents of liveCD to a Fat32 partition and making a casper-rw ext2 partition | 10:02 |
| alperyilmaz | if this question is not relevant here, where can i ask | 10:02 |
| alperyilmaz | i used #ubuntu room, nobody helped | 10:03 |
| alperyilmaz | everybody is suggesting the fat/ext2 configuration | 10:03 |
| alperyilmaz | i was aiming for a proper installation | 10:03 |
| alperyilmaz | with ext2/swap partitions | 10:03 |
| alperyilmaz | is that possible | 10:03 |
| alperyilmaz | who might know this? | 10:04 |
| mooey | alperyilmaz, if you don't get a reply in #ubuntu best to post on the forums, this isn't a support channel | 10:06 |
| alperyilmaz | i see, i thought development people might now which files to copy and details like that | 10:07 |
| tepsipakki | alperyilmaz: or try #ubuntu-install | 10:07 |
| alperyilmaz | other poeple's knowledge is superfacial.. | 10:07 |
| tepsipakki | I guess there are docs for that somewhere | 10:07 |
| alperyilmaz | oh, i didn't notice that room | 10:07 |
| alperyilmaz | thanks | 10:07 |
| GNu_Joe | where can I go to look at / understand the roadmap for ubuntu-server? | 10:08 |
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| mooey | GNu_Joe, i guess you should look into the specs in launchpad, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs | 10:17 |
| Fujitsu | pochu: Any member of the Driver team for a product or distribution can approve release nominations (ubuntu-core-dev in this case). | 10:19 |
| pochu | Fujitsu: oh, ty :) | 10:20 |
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| superted | just tried to install herd 5 and got this message before it froze: udevd-even[xxx] : udev_db_add_device: unable to create db file '/dev/.udev/db/class@input@mice': No such file or dir | 10:30 |
| superted | sorry, noticed the "not support" in topic now | 10:30 |
| Ng | superted: #ubuntu+1 :) | 10:33 |
| superted | Ng: ty | 10:34 |
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| mooey | does anybody here have two cd drives in their system? if so, when you have no cds inserted, do you see both drives in 'Places' -> 'Computer'? | 10:42 |
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| sorinn | anyone here ? | 11:04 |
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| sorinn | I need to know hoe to make a log with valgrind for openoffice 2.2 ( on feisty ) | 11:21 |
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| pochu | doko: ^ | 11:24 |
| Fujitsu | infinity: Do you do givebacks these days? | 11:25 |
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| Riddell | lifeless: do you know what's happened to kdebase 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.3 on i386 and amd64? they don't seem to be entering the archives | 11:44 |
| Riddell | er, wait | 11:45 |
| Riddell | I'm getting my abstract nicks mixed up again! | 11:45 |
| lifeless | Riddell: totally | 11:45 |
| lifeless | Riddell: also, you might like to look in the conflict checker for kdebase | 11:45 |
| lifeless | there are upgrade bugs | 11:45 |
| Riddell | the conflict checker? | 11:45 |
| lifeless | someone on my LUG ran into one using the edgy kde4 reop | 11:45 |
| lifeless | people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/find-conflicts/ | 11:46 |
| Riddell | oh, that's a different package, it's fixed in feisty | 11:46 |
| lifeless | erm | 11:46 |
| Seveas | lifeless, 404 | 11:46 |
| lifeless | http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/possible-conflicts/ | 11:46 |
| lifeless | yeah, messed up the branch name with output in my head | 11:46 |
| Riddell | lifeless: that looks interesting, when did that appear? | 11:47 |
| lifeless | stockholm | 11:47 |
| lifeless | sorry, oslo | 11:48 |
| Riddell | I'll make a note to look at it closer | 11:48 |
| Riddell | anyway | 11:48 |
| Riddell | infinity: do you know what's happened to kdebase 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.3 on i386 and amd64? they don't seem to be entering the archives | 11:48 |
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| infinity | Fujitsu: Aye. | 11:49 |
| infinity | Riddell: I'll look into it. | 11:49 |
| Fujitsu | infinity: Can you please give-back the amd64 drscheme? | 11:50 |
| lifeless | no, its mine! mine I tells ya! | 11:50 |
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