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[12:19] somerville32_: are you around? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] i think that test reports get submitted here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/ but i just want to make sure before communicating that with other xubuntu testers. === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] any ideas guys? gals? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9F51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] j1mc_work: yes, there [12:28] pochu: thanks. [12:29] in reference to my question about OTRS version 2, does anyone have any idea how I can find this out? [12:30] boiton1: #ubuntu-motu might be a better place to ask [12:30] pochu: should i create a new "bug" at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/ for each of the different daily images that are tested, or will we only create a new "bug" after each release (e.g. herd 5, beta 1, etc. . . ) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] I think otrs 2 might be in Debian experimental === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] j1mc_work: no, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults [12:32] boiton1: ah, try the otrs2 package [12:32] boiton1: apparently they're sufficiently incompatible that the package was renamed [12:33] that's 2.0.4 rather than 2.1, but hopefully that's enough for you ... [12:33] cjwatson, thank you for the help and yes it is in debian unstable [12:33] cjwatson, would you happen to know the policy used to bring in packages to ubuntu? [12:33] cjwatson: thanks. i'll double-check the build date of the nightly images i've been using. [12:34] boiton1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess, but you don't want that directly - ask #ubuntu-motu for help === j1mc_work [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cjwatson -> bed === TomB_ [n=tomb@host217-44-151-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nrdb [n=neil@11.137.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] I have what looks like a bug with the 'update-manager' I was upgrading from 6.06 -> 6.10 with vmware-player installed, once the download was done it the download manager displayed a terminal widget with a question in it, but I can't activate the widget to answer the question. === Leibsle [i=gnu@unaffiliated/leibsle] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans__ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-9d81ffb6cb4369d9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc_work [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@200-127-103-20.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boiton1 [n=aedwards@209-184-115-176.accd.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc_work [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9F51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pax_ [n=sirbe@ool-4579df6e.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cr3 [n=marc@bas5-montreal02-1167964032.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-78-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@202.61.173.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.140.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-136-145.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tany [n=tan397@210.176.84.140] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] at an estimate, can anyone give me a rough idea how big gatech's pool should be [04:27] looks to me like they.. archive.. everything :( [04:27] (I want a local edgy repo) [04:28] other mirrors only have cd images of the last 2, but their dists/ contain ALL [04:28] what part of that is relevant to the Development of Ubuntu [04:28] hint: none. [04:28] hmm. Good point. [04:28] (although who else is going to know how big every deb ever released by the ubuntu project combined is?) [04:31] bluefoxicy: hint: debmirror === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A7246E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] o_o holy crap === bluefoxicy leans over and kisses Lathiat on the cheek; then runs off to grab squid, squid rules, and nessus, and try to figure out what else he needs by friday morning === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-168-215-105.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] Lathiat: just a note, debmirror seems to download to .temp/ in the target directory, then try to verify i.e. Release in ./ instead of .temp/, then bail. I'll file a bug; work-around is to not verify those files. [04:53] your doing somethign wrong because it works fine for me [04:54] what version? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] whatever's in feisty today. [04:55] Malone 90546 has output [04:55] Malone bug 90546 in debmirror "debmirror fails to properly check Release(.gpg)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90546 === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] oh [04:57] apt says 20060907.1 [04:57] gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [04:57] ^^^ thats not going to help [04:57] gpg --recv-keys 437D05B5 [04:57] isn't that what it's downloading with Release/Release.gpg? [04:57] no [04:57] the .gpg is the detached signature [04:57] ok I'll try that; if it works I'll revise the bug report to say this should probably automagically happen or something. [04:58] ... which won't work either because gpg just says "oh. ..... what?" [04:58] this is dumb, I'm moving to #-bugs or #-offtopic with this === pax [n=pax@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3_ [n=marc@bas5-montreal02-1167961190.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3_ is now known as cr3 === kdean06 [n=fader681@216.127.159.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] I'm trying to get in touch with an Ubuntu developer, anyone responcible for generating the alternative and server install discs specifically. Can anyone recommend where I might look to contact this person/people? [05:47] I don't recall who exactly is responsable for generating these images, but he does hang around here [05:47] just not at this hour [05:48] So it is one person specifically? [05:48] not sure, but I think yes [05:48] but these images get generated automagically === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] except when doing beta-releases [05:49] like herd etc [05:50] Burgundavia: do you know who's resonsible for generating the cd images? live etc [05:50] I'm not concerned with any specific release, I really need to pique his/her brain about the process. I need to generate an image, but every process I've seen to date says to start with a current install disk and modify it, and that won't work, since I'm not sure of exactly what I'd be redistributing. [05:50] Chipzz: afaik, tollef is [05:50] so that would be Mithrandir here [05:50] kdean06: what is your specific need? [05:51] I'd like to create an alternative/server install disc for the gNewSense project. [05:51] 05:46 < kdean06> I'm trying to get in touch with an Ubuntu developer, anyone responcible for generating the alternative and server install discs specifically. Can anyone recommend where I might look to contact this person/people? [05:51] it's Mithrandir, yes. [05:51] kdean06: seen germinate? [05:51] right [05:52] (and various other tools, which i dont remember) [05:52] I need to generate if from scratch, as I'll be distributing it, and need to also know which sources need to go with. [05:52] Germinate... I believe so, let me look at that again. === Hobbsee notes there is a derivative team. [05:52] but I do think gnewsense is not an official ubuntu release [05:52] /flavour [05:53] Chipzz: that's correct [05:53] Correct, it is not. And I don't expect support, simply hoping that I can get some expert advice. :D [05:54] I'm guessing asking the gnewsense developers makes more sense [05:54] since you also want to know which set of packages etc [05:55] They've got the LiveCD down pat, but they seem clueless to the d-i system (though it seems easier in theory). [05:55] well if they have alternate/server images, someone is creating them, and it sure isn't tollef [05:55] They do not. [05:56] ah and you also want to create alternate/server images [05:56] well [05:57] I'm not sure if that's the answer you're going to get, but someone was asking for the script to create live images here a couple of days ago, and he got told ubuntu doesn't open-source these [05:57] they're not meant to be public. not sure about the alternate/server scripts though [05:58] That's sad. But I don't really need a script, just understanding. I'm figuring I'll be piecing together parts gleaned from Google, and the Debian Developers and perhaps tollef, if he's willing to help. [05:59] maybe cjwatson too [05:59] well, there are instructions on the wiki on how to create a live cd, it's just that the official scripts aren't public [05:59] but if you know enough you should be able to put 1 and 1 together and create such a script yourself [06:00] a potentially easier option is to rebuilding an existing livecd [06:00] but that was actually not his question anyway ;) [06:00] (that was just meant as an aside :)) [06:11] Well thank you all point the time of day. Have a good night/day. [06:11] s/point/for === kdean06 [n=fader681@216.127.159.116] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-177-40.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.128.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [n=srbaker@142.179.60.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:35] hey folks [06:35] is ubuntu's installer still based on debian-installer? [06:35] the livecd version? or is this a new project all together? === tany [n=tan397@210.176.84.140] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:36] srbaker: it's called ubiquity. new project, iirc. [06:37] thx [06:39] It is a debian-installer frontend, basically. Most of the components are the same. [06:39] I think. === Fujitsu checks. [06:40] Wait, no, it can't be. [06:40] Forget what I've said. [06:43] er... afaik ubiquity actually is based on a deeply modified version of a d-i but the best person to ask is cjwatson :) [06:43] s/a d-i/d-i/ === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pax [n=pax@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans__ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-5557b87883524c21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.140.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] Good morning [08:06] fabbione: right, yesterday I wanted to ask you whether there was any trick to add additional driver Options to xorg.conf (in restricted-manager) while remaining dexconf-compatible [08:07] fabbione: but it seems not, so I started to implement support for it in dexconf itself instead of starting to do nasty hacks [08:08] pitti: i saw restricted-manager around as package, but no idea what it does... best is to use dexconf and look at nvidia-glx-config on how to preseed dexconf and run it [08:08] fabbione: no, nvidia-glx-config doesn't do it eitehr [08:09] fabbione: I think I answered my questions myself so far, but thanks anyway === eggauah_ [n=daniel@201.72.64.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] pitti: ok :) i didn't get a royal clue but i am good.. and i am not sure i want to know === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elian__ [n=elian@80.78.73.145] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] doko_: could we make ooo not depend on -binfilter to save heaps of space on the CD? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] pitti: I'm interested in the result ;) [08:56] tepsipakki: well, as I said, I'm going to implement 'extra driver options' support in dexconf [08:56] using debconf-templates? [08:56] so they are preseedable [08:57] right [08:57] I'm not going to ask this question interactively, but restricted-manager can set the debconf option and call dexconf to properly configure nvidia cards and such [08:57] Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" and such [08:57] sounds about right === pitti looks forward to doing two broken xorg uploads in a row :-p [08:59] pitti: just don't make it uninstallable. :-) [08:59] that was yesterday's problem [08:59] *blush* === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F726DE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] good morning [09:01] good morning, Daniel [09:01] hey Tollef === Zdra [n=zdra@141.232-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] pitti: you didn't let through the edgy-proposed dist-upgrader packages? === mvo [n=egon@p54A6756A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond_ [n=fab@pool-71-169-142-130.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] dholbach: can you do an upload of ubuntu-docs again today? Just to update all our strings for string freeze === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-28-203.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] mdke: ok [09:24] thanks! [09:24] mdke: now? later? [09:24] dholbach: whenever you have time [09:24] ok, doing it now [09:25] :) [09:25] mvo: good morning. Have you gotten any response to 69051 from upstream? [09:25] mdke: hiya, good to see you around. You're still doing docteam stuff, right? [09:25] mdke: can you set DEBEMAIL= on your machine? [09:26] mdke: Matthew East is in the changelog [09:26] mdke: i'll change it locally and upload it - just fyi [09:26] dholbach: whoops, thanks [09:26] tfheen: sure [09:26] np [09:27] tfheen: why do you ask? === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] tfheen: no, but I added the patch to our package in the meantime, I will do another test and then close the bug [09:27] mdke: II'm wondering whom I should assing https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/89156 to. [09:27] Malone bug 89156 in ubuntu-docs "There is no mac-os-x.xml " [High,Confirmed] [09:27] hey mvo [09:28] mdke: given that stringfreeze is today, it's kinda urgent. [09:28] tfheen: i'll do that now [09:28] mdke: excellent, thanks. [09:28] dholbach: don't upload! [09:28] mdke: ok [09:29] hey dholbach [09:29] tfheen: thanks for reminding me, even though I filed the bug myself, I still forgot [09:29] Riddell: doing now [09:30] dholbach: alright, go ahead (sorry!) [09:31] mdke: np [09:34] Riddell: the kdebase upload has a change in kubuntu_76_ksmserver_suspend.diff which is not part of the approved patches [09:34] Riddell: oh, oops, wrong debdiff (I compared to edgy, not edgy-updates) [09:37] doko_: about 59537; did you get this fixed or did you just work around it so the ooo build no longer triggers it? === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-1f0488c2599cf217] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] mdke: uploading [09:41] thanks dholbach [09:44] de rien === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] carlos: how are the imports flowing? [09:47] tepsipakki: latest ati upload caused regression on my laptop: bug 90571 [09:47] Malone bug 90571 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "regression: blank screen on hp nw8240 after last xorg driver update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90571 [09:47] Lure: We were discussing it in #ubuntu-x :) [09:48] pitti: slow :-( [09:48] Treenaks: thanks, will join [09:57] cjwatson: did you end up having any luck with 59620? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] doko_: hi, around? [10:04] hey seb128 [10:04] hi dholbach [10:04] hey carlos [10:04] carlos: is the feisty .po import done? [10:04] seb128: hi [10:05] not yet, 19000 entries to go (from 70000...). We are going to deploy a small change to speed it a bit === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] carlos: ok [10:10] tfheen: do you know what happened to the newest devhelp binaries on amd64? [10:11] tfheen: also could you give back gksu on amd64? [10:11] seb128: you didn't process NEW yesterday? :( === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] will feisty ship bzr 0.15? [10:14] dholbach: I gave back gksu earlier today. [10:15] dholbach: devhelp> not sure, I'll look [10:15] tfheen: thanks a lot! === dholbach hugs tfheen === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] sorry if this is the wrong place, but are Ubuntu doing GSoC this year? [10:15] If so who can I talk to about it [10:16] Riddell: will do today, I did syncs, backports, and binary new [10:16] I have someone who wants to do a project, and I'm willing to mentor him [10:17] dholbach: gksu was waiting for libgksu which I just gave back. [10:17] ahhh ok [10:17] dholbach: devhelp binaries got lost in failed-to-move; rescuing. [10:17] yoohoo [10:18] seb128: you must be too thourough :) === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@s0740.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel_ [n=mb@s0266.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@17-8.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel_ is now known as giftnudel [10:49] tfheen: still in progress, I'm trying to work out how to get the resize range using tune2fs - can't make the numbers agree with df [10:50] tfheen: I'm not going to do it in parted; going to work around it in partman-partitioning roughly the same way it does for ntfs instead [10:50] cjwatson: ok, so you think it's doable for feisty? [10:51] pitti: [10:51] dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python2.5-minimal: [10:51] python-minimal depends on python2.5-minimal (>= 2.5). [10:51] dpkg: error processing python2.5-minimal (--purge): [10:51] dependency problems - not removing [10:52] tfheen: hoping so, yes [10:52] mvo: why is 84612 fix commmitted and not fix released? [10:52] pitti: that might have create problems on ~pitti/bin/retrace-i386 [10:52] tfheen: BTW there was a change in partman-base recently to fix NTFS resizing (previously, it sometimes tried to move the start of the partition and caused data corruption in some cases) [10:53] tfheen: fixed, sorry [10:53] I think I'll grab that, though I haven't decided whether I should just take all the changes in partman-base or whether I should backport instead [10:53] cjwatson: I trust your judgement on that. :-) [10:54] this will also allow re-enabling resizing of Vista NTFS partitions [10:57] pitti: I'm looking at 81670 ; what, if anything, would break if we moved hal to 12? (It seems to be that on some systems, like my laptop, which started out with warty) === Spads [n=spacehob@91.189.88.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] mvo: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/69532 ; what's up with this? It's old and looks more like a feature than a bug? [11:02] Malone bug 69532 in update-manager "CD dist-upgrade needs to be able to update itself from the net" [High,Confirmed] [11:02] tfheen: let me check === arre [n=ac@alchemist.openend.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] mvo: same with #68247, really. [11:04] tfheen: updated #69532 (fixed in feisty) [11:04] great. :-) === afflux [i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] doko_: about #85884 ; are you going to work on it for feisty? [11:10] pitti: why is ubuntu-release subscribed to 67925? [11:14] bug #67925 [11:14] Malone bug 67925 in Ubuntu "Do not ship translations without matching input support" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67925 [11:17] mvo: what about 68247? I don't see it as critical for feisty? (And it's a feature, not a bug) === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] tfheen: that one is not yet fixed, but I agree its not critical for 7.04 [11:19] tfheen: I remove the target [11:20] mvo: cheers. Got a few more minutes? [11:20] mvo: #70058 seems easy enough to fix [11:21] mvo: #74190 should be fairly easy too -- if the user has changed his umask so u-m can't read the file, just throw up an error dialog? === roshan_s [n=roshan_s@122.160.61.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] seb128: I'll look at it [11:24] tfheen: 81670> right, I was going to fix that soon; moving dbus to 12 should do fine, we had that in the past [11:24] tfheen: it's just cupsys, hplip, and apport in between [11:25] pitti: ok, thanks. [11:25] tfheen: 67925> because it affects CD layout; feel free to unsubscribe u-release, mdz forwarded the request to the bizdev team [11:25] pitti: I'm mainly trying to fix a bunch of the milestoned bugs.. beta freeze is only a week away. [11:25] right, I got drawn off bugfixing for this restricted-manager stuff [11:25] pitti: how does it affect cd layout? Doesn't it only affect the packages on there? [11:26] tfheen: right, just the set of packages [11:26] tfheen: I should, but probably lacking time [11:26] pitti: is there a spec to go along with this, or is it more a case of "this makes sense, let's just do it that way"? [11:26] seb128: that was in the retracing chroots? weird, p2.5-minimal should have been part of the default debootstrap [11:27] doko_: ok, no point in having it milestoned for release, then. [11:27] pitti: bug #90570 [11:27] Malone bug 90570 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control crashed with SIGSEGV after removal of creative audigy 2 zs notebook pcmcia soundcard" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90570 [11:27] pitti: retracing worked, it crashed after (on cleanup likely) [11:27] tfheen: the latter rather; installing Chinese support with only translations, but without input support makes little sense [11:28] seb128: ok, thanks [11:28] pitti: np [11:28] pitti: I say we just go for it now rather than later [11:28] tfheen: 'it'? [11:29] pitti: as in, fix the bug. [11:29] tfheen: if I spend today and half of tomorrow on r-m, and monday to wednesday on milestone bug fixing, would that be ok? [11:29] pitti: that'd be great. [11:29] tfheen: since r-m is feature-ish, it should go earlier [11:29] pitti: or are you waiting for feedback from bizdev on the input support bit? [11:30] tfheen: input> right, the question is how to fix it [11:30] tfheen: yes, I'm waiting for that [11:30] ok, any ETA? [11:30] I didn't get one [11:31] ok [11:31] seb128: bug #86271 is going to be fixed with the GNOME release? [11:31] Malone bug 86271 in totem "needs to be updated for libtotem-plparser API change" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86271 [11:36] tfheen: yes, or I'll backport the patch which has been commited upstream otherwise, it's milestoned 7.04 so on my list of things to do === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] seb128: great, thanks. [11:44] np [11:44] seb128: I won't nag you about it, then. :-) [11:44] tfheen: k, if I've milestoned a desktop-bugs for 7.04 you probably don't need to not me about it, those are on my list of things to work on for feisty ;) [11:44] I'm confused. The new pbuilder still has the debian team listed as the maintainer in debian/control, so dpkg-source refuses to handle it... How did it make its way to the archive then? [11:45] seb128: thanks a lot. [11:45] np [11:46] shawarma: because that dpkg-source change is recent. If you upgrade dpkg-dev then it won't throw that error any more unless you have @ubuntu.com in DEBEMAIL. === nags_ [n=nags@125.16.129.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] cjwatson: Er... ok. [11:48] cjwatson: ...no, still don't get it. :-) [11:49] cjwatson: You're saying this is behaviour by design? [11:49] shawarma: I'm saying that it got into the archive because when it was uploaded dpkg-source didn't emit that error [11:50] shawarma: for further information, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField === mafix [n=marfix@213.144.142.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] cjwatson: It doesn't mention this new DEBEMAIL exception? [11:52] indeed not, I'll add it === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.254.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags_ is now known as nags [11:52] Just to be sure: It shouldn't have made it to the archive, should it? [11:52] yes, it should have made it to the archive. [11:52] shawarma: it should [11:52] Ok.. [11:53] shawarma: this policy is recent, it hasn't been enforced for a long time [11:53] in any case 'apt-cache show pbuilder' shows an Ubuntu maintainer address here [11:53] oh, that may not be in the source, ok [11:53] (sorry, red herring) [11:53] right, binary packages' Maintainer fields have been mangled for longer [11:53] Yes, but fetching the souce and looking says otherwise. [11:53] shawarma: like I say, red herring, sorry [11:53] wiki updated [11:54] shawarma: it made it to the archive because it was constructed with a version of dpkg-source that did not enforce this check. That's just fine. [11:54] Ok. So Debian is fine with our source packages listing them as the maintainer? [11:55] No. [11:55] shawarma: no, you must change it [11:55] we are progressively going through and fixing packages, but it is not complete yet. [11:55] shawarma: guess what the dpkg check is for :) [11:55] pitti: Precisely. === shawarma looks at his confus-o-meter. It's off the scale.. [11:56] shawarma: it is *simultaneously* OK that it made it to the archive (before the check was enforced) and a bug that it's still that way. [11:57] cjwatson: Oh! [11:57] shawarma: if you'd asked "should it be like that" rather than "it shouldn't have made it to the archive, should it?", you'd have got a different answer === roshan_s [n=roshan_s@122.160.61.1] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:58] cjwatson: is there a trick how to store multi-line string values in debconf? [11:58] cjwatson: Right, now I get it. mvo just mentioned it on the m-l today, so I thought it was just uploaded. I didn't notice the upload was a week old. [11:58] is there a systematic way to get updates for discover-data? [11:59] tepsipakki: "sync from debian"? [11:59] cjwatson: I tried with 'foo\\nbar', with that, config.dat has 'foo\bar', but it only returns 'foo' when querying it [12:00] tfheen: ah.. I was looking at discover1-data, which is ancient :) [12:00] discover-data is much newer [12:00] tfheen: could it be synced? [12:01] shawarma: I mentioned it late because I wanted to give it some testing before announcing it :) [12:01] tepsipakki: I can never remember which one of those we use, but I believe it's discover1-data [12:01] tfheen: looking at the version numbers it's discover-data [12:02] which builds discover1-dataa [12:02] -a [12:02] the current version lacks information about intel vga-controllers, they all seem to use vesa atm === TomB_ [n=tomb@host217-44-151-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] mvo: Makes sense. :-) [12:04] tepsipakki: request a sync, subscribe ubuntu-release. [12:04] tfheen: will do [12:05] tepsipakki: include information as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [12:07] yes, it has a vast number of fixes for various graphics controllers [12:07] nv, intel, via.. [12:08] pitti: man debconf-devel and search for escape [12:09] pitti: needs debconf (>= 1.4.72) [12:09] cjwatson: ah, I found that, but I couldn't make sense of it [12:09] *.bugs.launchpad.net hates me obviously.. [12:10] cjwatson: I have to *set* CAPB, it's not something that debconf returns? [12:10] pitti: correct [12:10] ah, great [12:10] cjwatson: thanks [12:10] the client needs to be prepared for this [12:10] note that db_capb *replaces* the current capability set, so if you also want backup you need to say 'db_capb backup escape' [12:10] generally best to turn off escape when you don't need it any more === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] sladen: why is Bug #14908 just marked as fix committed and not fix released? [12:16] Malone bug 14908 in powermanagement-interface "use 'do-not-hibernate' NOT 'do-not-suspend' to prevent hibernate following kernel upgrade" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14908 [12:17] tfheen: could you look at bug #90594? [12:17] Malone bug 90594 in libxklavier "UVF exception 3.0 to 3.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90594 === mvo [n=egon@p54A6554A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] seb128: looking === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] tfheen: refresh if you want, I've attached a new diff with the code changes only (without the documentation and autotools update) [12:20] tfheen: the function which changed are private API, there is no public API change === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.46.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] seb128: approved. [12:27] tfheen: thank you === jinty [n=jinty@87.235.197.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] tfheen: I need this new feature for the restricted-manager stuff (particularly for bug 90109, but I wanted to keep it generic); http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/patches/xorg.extra_options.diff [12:30] Malone bug 90109 in xorg "Add Alpha RGB GLX Visuals to xorg.conf for nVidia cards" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90109 [12:30] tfheen: ok to upload? (eyeballing appreciated as well, of course) [12:31] tfheen: do we have results for rebuild tests [12:31] doko: I asked on the mailing list too - seems that elmo and infinity know more about it, since mdz CCed them [12:32] doko: let's see what comes out of the discussion [12:32] doko: no, I haven't received them. I've nagged repeatedly, but will do so again. [12:32] pitti: yes, looks decent enough. [12:32] pitti: (approved) [12:32] thanks === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.cable.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] tfheen: well, I had my own live rebuild for 500 packages ;) [12:33] doko: I noticed. [12:34] pitti: the howto's I've seen put the settings in "Screen" [12:34] tepsipakki: that would be weird === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] ogra: do you have any test cases in mind for the add-on CD (CD integrity and Winfoss testing I have). Just 'install extra packages'? [12:34] pitti: nvidia-config does that [12:34] tepsipakki: I put it in Device, and that seems to work fine for my nvidia card [12:34] hm [12:34] maybe it work [12:34] 's [12:35] tepsipakki: I don't get window decorations without the option, and with the option in Device it works [12:35] hm [12:35] maybe it's a weird driver ;) [12:35] http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=NVidia [12:36] it's cleaner if it works under Device [12:36] right, maybe its propagated somehow [12:37] it just seems more logical to put it in Driver since it seems to be nvidia specific? [12:37] and it's an undocumented option in xorg.conf [12:37] just put it there, i810 seems to use the Driver === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] tepsipakki: oh, that nvidia page lists two more options that are needed [12:44] pitti: they're not needed here.. [12:45] yeah, maybe that page is a bit outdated [12:45] Treenaks: neither here, but 'RenderAccel' sounds more like 'nice to have' [12:45] Treenaks: "AllowGLXWithComposite" -> does OpenGL work for you with compiz enabled? === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.5.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] pitti: yes.. hmm.. but I have that one in my config file === herzi [n=herzi@p548FBDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] Why is that a config option anyway.. [12:46] _of course_ you want that === pitti breaks his wm again by enabling compiz to test this [12:47] mvo: can I nag you about #75882 as well? === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] heya tfheen === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye"] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] hiya Sarah. [12:49] tfheen: let me check [12:49] gosh, I know I complained loudly about lack of 'snapping' when moving/resizing windows - but now it is so snappy that I cannot move it *at all* any more === nags_ [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] Treenaks: hm, glx works for me without this option [12:50] pitti: ok.. === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] Treenaks: btw, is there any way I could continue to use ctrl+alt+left/right to switch desktops? [12:52] pitti: I do so.. so yes [12:52] pitti: enable the cube, then it works automatically for me [12:52] Treenaks: doesn't make a difference [12:53] cube doesn't work at all for me [12:53] I get no cube with this either on or off, enabling compiz collapses all my windows to the first desktop, so I move them back, and I can't switch them with the keyboard === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C68D0D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti wonders how people don't get crazy with these jumping and fading menus [12:55] pitti: they take drugs against craziness. [12:55] the fading is quite nice [12:55] pitti: maybe you should reset /apps/compiz in gconf? === pitti imagines how vim-composite would like, with every letter bouncing [12:55] pitti: they get over it, then disable it. [12:55] hhaa [12:55] pitti: it doesn't bounce much, maybe you have some gconf weird values? [12:55] pitti: gconf --recursive-unset /apps/gconf [12:55] ups [12:56] /apps/compiz [12:56] graaa [12:56] gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/compiz [12:56] I mean [12:57] tfheen: OOo had a disagreement with pkgstriptranslations, resulting in an empty translation tarball; have to upload again. could you hint the i386 build to palmer? [12:57]