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tsmithe*that* of all things deserves a mwuahahahahaha12:13
tsmithe:P12:13
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bddebianHeya gang12:31
fernandohey bddebian 12:31
bddebianHi fernando12:31
geserHi bddebian12:31
bddebianHeya geser12:31
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boiton1When is OTRS 2.1 planed to be included in ubuntu?12:32
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LaserJockboiton1: what do you mean?12:33
LaserJockhi bddebian 12:33
bddebianHeya LaserJock12:34
boiton1LasserJock, currently otrs 2.0.4 is the newest version in ubuntu12:34
LaserJockboiton1: do you know what it is in Debian?12:35
boiton1LaserJock, I was wondering when otrs 2.1.x will be brought in to ubuntu12:35
boiton1LaserJock, the same in stable and testing but in unstable it's been 2.1.x for over a year and three months12:36
LaserJockboiton1: I'm guessing once it comes to Debian unless somebody volunteers to do it beforehand12:36
boiton1*raises hand* what do I have to do?12:37
LaserJockhmm, well I'm looking at Debian right now to see it's history12:38
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LaserJockboiton1: well, you need to learn a bit about packaging12:42
LaserJock!packagingguide12:42
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources12:42
LaserJock!revu12:43
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU12:43
LaserJockboiton1: these ^^ 2 resources will give you some documentation to look at12:43
LaserJockboiton1: however, we are pretty frozen for Feisty so I wouldn't count on getting it for Feisty12:43
boiton1LaserJock, I guess I will hit the next release, looks like I have some reading to do, thank you12:44
LaserJockboiton1: np, you might want to ask the Debian maintainer about it first12:44
LaserJocksince we will automatically sync the newest version from Debian for the next release12:45
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TheMusoHeya Hobbsee.01:26
Hobbseehey TheMuso 01:28
LaserJockhi Hobbsee and TheMuso 01:29
Hobbseehi LaserJock 01:30
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keescookgeser: can you do another UVFe for wordpress 2.1.2-1 ?  Sounds like there were fixes in 2.1.2 as well.  http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-123001:32
Hobbseehey keescook 01:33
keescookhiya Hobbsee 01:34
bddebianYeah geser, get to work ya bum ;-P01:36
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geserkeescook: sure, can do01:52
keescookgeser: cool, thanks.  I would have just done a sync request, but I saw you had some changes.  :)01:52
geserkeescook: any preference how to fix/update wordpress in edgy and dapper? bug #8965401:59
UbugtuMalone bug 89654 in wordpress "wordpress needs security updates in dapper and edgy?" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8965401:59
keescookgeser: mostly they need testing.  I'm not opposed to doing a full-version update for it, but I'd rather do tested security-only patches.01:59
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geserkeescook: uvf exception for WP 2.1.2 filed as bug #9053202:22
UbugtuMalone bug 90532 in wordpress "[UVF Exception]  Merge wordpress 2.1.2-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9053202:22
keescookgeser: awsome.  thanks!02:22
bddebiangeser: Hmm, can you finish tilp2 for me and update .... ;-)02:23
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AmaranthBurgundavia: can you update the status on the bugs you've filed against compiz?06:09
BurgundaviaAmaranth: ugh, yes06:09
tonyyarussoDid any of those include "randomly log you out and return to gdm" ?06:10
Amaranthno :)06:11
Burgundaviaheh06:11
tonyyarussohrm, maybe I should have registered that after all - never bothered :S06:11
Amaranthman, we really need to update the package to latest 0.4 git head06:12
Amaranthbunch of little annoyances go awa06:12
Amarantherr, away06:12
ajmitchgood luck06:12
Amaranthseb128 filed a bug with a debdiff06:13
crimsunI wonder if the "explodes with black screen o'death" bug goes away06:13
Amaranthdon't suppose anyone knows the status of gnome-compiz-manager06:14
Amaranthi think it's been lost in NEW for over a week now06:14
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Amaranthajmitch: XAANoOffscreenPixmaps06:14
Amaranthwhich kills performance if you're not using compiz06:14
Amaranthluckily that'll go away soon since XAA is pretty much dead06:15
Toadstoolwhy don't people use a plain ol' screen with mutt, irssi and friends? much more convenient ^^06:15
ajmitchAmaranth: hardly very useful if you're just wanting to enable it via desktop-effects06:16
ajmitchToadstool: I do :)06:16
Amaranthajmitch: indeed06:16
Toadstoolso do I for most of my stuff06:16
Amaranthajmitch: sadly EXA is broken06:16
ajmitchwhy should we ship compiz on the cd if people have to hack xorg.conf?06:16
ajmitchAmaranth: for all drivers?06:16
Amaranthajmitch: seems that way06:16
Amaranthxserver 1.2 broke it06:16
ajmitchgreat, let's drop compiz from the cd06:17
ajmitchit'll cause more bugs than it's worth06:17
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Amaranthideally in that case it'd be added to xorg.conf and ask you to restart X06:17
Amaranthnvidia has a similar problem but the xorg.conf option it needs is safe to always have on06:18
Amaranthso that's a bug with the xorg.conf creation06:18
Amaranthdunno what package that's in, i just assign those to xorg06:19
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BurgundaviaAmaranth: did you updating06:31
Amaranth?06:31
Burgundaviasorry, did some updating on my bugs06:32
Burgundaviatired06:32
Burgundaviahmm, have a new bug however06:32
BurgundaviaI noticed that new windows are created on the first workspace, regardless of parentage06:32
Burgundaviaonly noticed this with g-a-i, as it is quite window-happy06:32
Burgundaviahmm, seems it creates them on the active workspace06:33
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Amaranthprobably because everyone uses it with viewports :)06:33
Burgundaviaright06:33
Burgundaviasome of us don't06:33
Burgundaviaand the default isn't06:33
Amaranthalthough i would expect place to get that right06:33
Amaranthactive workspace isn't what you want?06:34
Burgundaviathat isn'06:34
Burgundaviawhat metacity does06:34
BurgundaviaAmaranth: can you try https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/7369806:34
Burgundavia?06:34
UbugtuMalone bug 73698 in compiz "Panel applets on top panel blink in as they redrawn while running full screen app" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  06:34
AmaranthBurgundavia: arg, damn beta06:35
Amarantheither get me access or give me better links :)06:35
Burgundaviaheh06:35
Burgundaviastrip the beta off06:36
Amaranthi cannot reproduce that one06:36
Amaranthif i could i wouldn't use compiz :)06:36
Burgundaviaok, metacity does it right and leaves any child windows on the same workspace as the parent06:36
LathiatAmaranth: you can sign up06:37
LathiatAmaranth: just join the group06:37
Amaranth"does it right" is a matter of opinion, what does kwin do?06:37
Amaranthi think place is based on kwin code06:37
Burgundaviahmm06:37
Burgundaviawhat does kwin do?06:37
Amaranthhmm, i might have it installed06:37
Amaranthalright, kwin running06:39
Burgundaviamight 73698 be a driver bug?06:40
AmaranthBurgundavia: easy test case?06:40
Burgundaviagnome-app-install06:40
Amaranthbug 7369806:40
UbugtuMalone bug 73698 in compiz "Panel applets on top panel blink in as they redrawn while running full screen app" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7369806:40
Burgundaviaor synaptic06:40
AmaranthBurgundavia: i'd call it a driver bug, yeah06:40
Burgundaviajust install nay package06:40
Amaranthunless using latest git fixes it06:40
Burgundaviayep06:40
Amaranthoh, right, i get a GPG warning with synaptic, i'll test it06:40
Amaranthkwin does it the same as metacity06:42
Amaranthi'll bring it up on the mailing list06:42
Burgundaviaok, I have filed a bug06:42
Amaranthhrm, kwin + gnome-panel + urgent hint == broken06:42
Burgundaviahttps://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/9056206:42
UbugtuMalone bug 90562 in compiz "Places child windows on the incorrect workspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  06:42
Amaranthalright, hopefully davidr commits a fix in a day or two that i can backport :)06:42
Amaranthalthough i actually think the new place plugin would fix it06:43
Amaranthdon't suppose you could test? :)06:43
Burgundaviaif it ain't packaged, I don't test it06:44
Amaranthhrm, i guess i'll do it then :)06:44
Amaranthbut the fix is suckier to backport then06:45
BurgundaviaI am running feisty, so it isn't such a big deal06:45
Amaranth?06:45
Amaranthbug 72700 is annoying06:46
UbugtuMalone bug 72700 in k3d "Installation of k3d fails and package can't be removed using apt-get/synaptic/aptitude (dup-of: 64848)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7270006:46
UbugtuMalone bug 64848 in k3d "[SRU: EDGY]   packaging typo - k3d does not install" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6484806:46
Amarantherr06:46
Amaranthbug 73700 is annoying06:46
UbugtuMalone bug 73700 in compiz "Lacks edge resistence" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7370006:46
Amaranthi have a fix (snap plugin)06:46
Amaranthi wonder if it'd be accepted as a patch to the package if i make it work with 0.3.606:46
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RAOFDoes anyone have the magical incantation to make an i386 pbuilder on an AMD64 system?  I worked it out once, but didn't write it down, sadly.06:55
Hobbsee--arch=i386 or something, i suspect06:58
HobbseeRAOF: checked the pbuilder manpage?06:58
Hobbsee(and google)06:59
Hobbseei'ts in one of them, iirc.06:59
RAOFYeah, something like that06:59
ToadstoolRAOF: maybe using --arch=i386 in DEBOOTSTRAPOPTS in your pbuilderrc06:59
RAOFHey, that's a good idea.07:00
Hobbseeah, that's it07:00
Toadstooldunno if it'll work though07:00
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imbrandonello peeps07:11
tonyyarussoehyo07:11
Burgundaviahey imbrandon07:11
imbrandonheya corey07:11
imbrandonlong time ;)07:11
Burgundaviaindeed07:13
Burgundaviawork has been just a wee bit crazy07:13
imbrandoni bet, same here actualy07:13
imbrandonRAOF, you will need to use the linux32 program too calling pbuilder ( so uname returns x86 not x86_64 )07:15
imbrandonhere is a sample i followed that worked fine when i used them07:16
imbrandonhttp://linux.blogweb.de/archives/273-Easy-to-use-Pbuilder-helper-scripts.html07:16
imbrandonRAOF, like "sudo linux32 pbuilder $OPERATION" ( sudo linux32 uname will return 32bit on 64 bit systems to "trick" the config scripts etc )07:21
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imbrandonhum07:55
imbrandoneveryone got quiet or i got dissconnected ;)07:55
RAOF_I hear you :)07:55
imbrandonyou see my musings about the linux32?07:56
RAOFNo, I didn't.07:56
imbrandon00:15 < imbrandon> RAOF, you will need to use the linux32 program too calling pbuilder ( so uname returns x86 not x86_64 )07:56
imbrandon00:16 < imbrandon> here is a sample i followed that worked fine when i used them07:56
imbrandon00:16 < imbrandon> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/273-Easy-to-use-Pbuilder-helper-scripts.html07:56
imbrandon00:21 < imbrandon> RAOF, like "sudo linux32 pbuilder $OPERATION" ( sudo linux32 uname will return 32bit on 64 bit systems to "trick" the config scripts etc )\07:56
RAOFOh, I've actually just built my i386 pbuilder, without that.07:56
RAOFAnd I'm just updating the wiki page with the slightly strange options required :)07:57
imbrandonyou can build it fine, but whenm you goto build a package it will stillthink its 64bit07:57
RAOFHm, I've built before without linux32, and I *think* it worked...07:57
imbrandone.g. in the pbuilderc you wil need to change sudo pbuilder $OPERATION to sudo linux32 pbuilder $OPERATION07:57
RAOFBut I can see your point.07:57
StevenKimbrandon: Or you can just specify --arch07:59
StevenKAnd then you don't need to keep running it under linux3207:59
imbrandonaah08:00
imbrandonmoins StevenK 08:00
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RAOFStevenK: But what imbrandon is talking about is ./configure being freaked out about running under amd64 but building for i386, right?08:00
LaserJockhi imbrandon 08:00
imbrandonheya LaserJock 08:00
StevenKRAOF: I haven't any problems with that.08:00
tonyyarussoimbrandon: Are there pbuilders for Dapper on the i386 machine, or just Feisty?08:00
RAOFI didn't *think* I had any problems before, but I didn't really test my i386 packages very thoroughrly08:01
imbrandontonyyarusso, breezy,dapper,edgy,feisty,sid on all the buildd's08:01
imbrandonppc x86 and sparc08:01
tonyyarussoimbrandon: (and, as an aside, would you consider temporarily giving accounts to non -dev?)08:01
tonyyarussocool08:01
imbrandontonyyarusso, no, not at this time, i really dont want to08:01
imbrandonto keep it semi secure08:01
RAOFtonyyarusso: My box is back up, and now has 16x the downstream bandwidth :)08:02
tonyyarussoimbrandon: Very understandable.  I'll just hope for a charitable person when/if the time comes08:02
tonyyarussoRAOF: Nice.  It's 64-bit though - can you build i386 .debs on that?08:02
RAOFAlso, it'll soon (hopefully) be moved into a place where I can actually keep it up 24/708:02
RAOFtonyyarusso: Yup.  I'll build you an i386 pbuilder08:02
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tonyyarussoThanks08:03
RAOFCheck out my latest changes to PbuilderHowto on the wiki :)08:03
imbrandontonyyarusso, i plan to make non-motu machines too sometime but i wanna get those working good first08:03
imbrandonetc08:03
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tonyyarussoimbrandon: fun stuff08:04
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Amaranthalright, got a working snap plugin for compiz 0.3.6, need to figure out how to hack it into the build system08:06
tonyyarussoimbrandon: how does apt-mirror compare/differ to/from debmirror, debpartial-mirror, and apt-proxy?08:06
imbrandonapt-proxy isnt even on the same level, and i;ve never used debpartial08:08
tonyyarussook08:08
=== tonyyarusso will be mirroring the i386 binaries for dapper and maybe edgy too tomorrow
=== imbrandon just uses rsync and does the whole thing ;)
tonyyarussodon't have the space or time for that08:10
Amaranthmeh, i'll do this in the morning08:10
imbrandonapt-mirror for one release, source + one arch , will be about 30gb08:10
tonyyarussoFrom what I've seen, binary-only for one architecture should only be 15-20 gig per release, ya?08:10
tonyyarussono source necessary for this purpose08:10
imbrandonno its 30 for the first one, 10 for each additional ( think about all the arch_all packages etc )08:11
tonyyarussoHow's that work?  Why are the additionals smaller?08:11
tonyyarussoOooh, nvm08:11
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imbrandondocs,scripts, tons of things are arch all08:12
RAOFLots of lovely python08:12
imbrandonanything thats not compiled08:12
tonyyarussoright08:12
imbrandondocs scripts artwork configs etc etc etc08:13
tonyyarussoWhat are the nthreads and tilde options in apt-mirror for?08:13
imbrandonyou want the tilde set so wget will handle the tilde correctly ( other wise packages with ~ in them get cleaned on every round )08:14
imbrandonand the nthreads is how many concurrent downloads at once08:14
imbrandone.g. 20 is a good number08:14
tonyyarusso...also, why does the manpage not list the switches?  (ie, I don't know what -c does, but many things mention it)08:14
imbrandonthe config is pretty self explinatory, if not man apt-mirror ;)08:15
LaserJockanybody have a procmailrc rule for X-Launchpad-Bug: ?08:15
imbrandonon edgy just install it and run "sudo apt-mirror" , -c points you to an alternate config08:15
tonyyarussoman apt-mirror is a bit sparser than I'd like, if you feel like sprucing up some time ;)08:15
imbrandontonyyarusso, patches welcome ;)08:15
tonyyarussoimbrandon: noted08:16
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tonyyarussoI can almost understand perl - I'll take a look08:17
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Q-FUNKhm. seems that the new OOo rc3 force removes OOo-voikko :(08:31
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AstralJavaQ-FUNK: Could this be the reason? $ apt-cache show openoffice.org-voikko|grep Conflicts08:43
AstralJavaConflicts: openoffice.org-core (>= 2.1.1), openoffice.org-soikko08:43
AstralJavaand08:43
AstralJava$ apt-cache show openoffice.org-core|grep Version08:43
AstralJavaVersion: 2.2.0~rc3~oof680m10-0ubuntu208:43
Q-FUNKvoikko, not soikko :)08:47
Q-FUNKbut yes, that versioned conflict with openoffice.org-core sounds like it08:47
Q-FUNKi think it comes from the debian/ build script though08:47
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Q-FUNKautomatically inserted08:48
AstralJavasoikko is merely another entry on Conflicts: of oo.org-voikko.08:48
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dholbachgood morning09:01
AstralJavaMorning dholbach, finally figured out the problem with ubuntustudio-look pbuilding.09:02
dholbachahh nice09:02
AstralJavaindex.theme.in merging was in the merge_xml_files section of setup.cfg, when it infact is not an xml file.09:03
AstralJavaWhen I moved it over to merge_desktop_files section, it now gets generated correctly.09:03
AstralJavaOf course, I tried that earlier, but apparently goofed in the process and it didn't work then.09:03
AstralJavaHere's the diff: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9200/, if you got a minute to check it out.09:05
dholbachif you say that it builds - that's good enough for me09:05
dholbachif you can upload the package to revu and you prod some people they'll check it out and let you know09:06
AstralJavaOkay.09:06
AstralJavaI'll test it further a bit and ask someone from our room to, as well, to get more confidence in it.09:06
dholbachok cool09:07
Q-FUNKdholbach: hey there! :)09:12
dholbachhi Q-FUNK09:12
Q-FUNKdholbach: are you in any position to schedule a bin-rebuild of OOo-voikko ?09:12
dholbachthere are no bin-rebuilds09:12
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dholbachyou can do a noop source upload09:13
Q-FUNKit seems that something in its contorl file auto-inserts a versioned conflict that make any OOo update force-remove it09:13
Q-FUNKit basically conflicts against current OOo version > than current09:14
dholbachaha?09:14
dholbachthat sounds really weird09:14
dholbachI suggest waiting for doko to be around09:14
dholbachhe'll know what to do09:14
Q-FUNKis doko still the key person for OOo @buntu?09:15
tepsipakkiQ-FUNK: Mirv (the maintainer) said that we should wait for the final since the dependancy-logic doesn't know how to handle rc-versions09:15
Q-FUNKtepsipakki: any APT pinning trick to prevent the update then?09:16
tepsipakkiI don't know of any..09:16
Q-FUNKkeeping my voikko installed matters more to me than having the latest OOo09:17
tepsipakkiput OOo on hold09:17
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AstralJava...or maybe just do stuff on stable release where you really need consistency. :)09:26
AstralJavas/where/when/g09:27
ajmitchevening09:33
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imbrandonheya ajmitch 09:37
ajmitchwhat's up?09:41
imbrandonnadda, tryign to make it through the night at work, contemplating a kerbos server for the build-network09:41
imbrandonyou?09:42
ajmitchdrinking beer, eating food09:45
ajmitchthe usual :)09:46
imbrandonsounds like what i need to be doing ;)09:46
ajmitchheh09:46
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crimsun[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-March/023395.html ]  for reference10:39
StevenKCan we backport that pbuilder? :-)10:43
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Q-FUNKthis should be submited to upstream11:22
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shawarmaHmm...I thought there was automatic checking of the maintainer field wrt ubuntu changes and stuff?11:39
crimsunthere is.11:40
shawarmaThe new pbuilder lists the Debian pbuilder team as the maintainer..11:40
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shawarmaMaybe mvo has special super powers to make stuff work anyway?11:41
crimsunfor 0.161ubuntu2?11:41
crimsunapt-cache show still uses Maintainer and Original-Maintainer appropriately at least11:41
shawarmaYes.11:41
shawarmaOh, maybe it's changed automatically?11:41
shawarmaMy pbuilder refuses to build it, anyway. 11:42
crimsunwell, the apt-cache show part is in apt_0.6.45ubuntu1011:44
crimsun[* added new ubuntu specific rewrite rule for "Original-Maintainer"] 11:44
shawarmacrimsun: Mkay.11:45
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imbrandoncrimsun, is that pbuilder in the feisty repo ?11:55
crimsunyes11:55
imbrandonrockin11:55
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crimsunit's the one over which soren is having a day in -devel ;)11:55
imbrandonerr tries11:55
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imbrandonhrm better awnser is it backported to edgy , thats what the buildd is running11:58
imbrandonif not i guess i could manualy backport it hehe 11:58
crimsunnope, but see steven's question from 38 minutes ago ;)11:58
crimsunyou could always just file a request and get someone on -backports to +1 ;)11:59
imbrandoni'm on -backports ;)11:59
imbrandonhehe but yea11:59
crimsuns/38/79/11:59
imbrandoni dont think i can ack my own request anyhow11:59
imbrandonnot sure11:59
crimsunnope, but I can ;)11:59
imbrandonright on, lemme test build it etc, i'm sure it will be 100% ok but i wanna make sure before i assume12:00
imbrandonthen i'll file a req and poke ya ;)12:00
crimsunhopefully in the next 8-10 minutes12:00
crimsunmy eyes are remaining closed of their own volition12:01
TheMusocrimsun: Dude, you work too hard.12:01
StevenKIt looks like pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi doesn't work on Edgy anyway.12:01
imbrandoncrimsun, hehe no biggie, i'm doing it now but i might not get done in time because i'm at work so i'm hit and miss looking at ssh-screen12:01
imbrandonTheMuso, +112:02
crimsundarn, that would have been a nice backport12:02
imbrandonStevenK, we might be able to patch it quickly and then backport ;)12:02
StevenKgdebi looks it needs to be backported too12:03
imbrandonStevenK, and its versioned tight on debhelper 5.0.38 ( gdebi )12:05
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imbrandonhum12:05
imbrandonmessy messy messy12:05
imbrandoni wonder why12:06
TheMusoWhats the general convention when you have a package with patches in it using dpatch, and a new package no longer needs patches? Is it best to remove all patching code/references?12:06
StevenKTheMuso: Just echo>debian/patches/00list12:07
TheMusoStevenK: Thanks.12:07
StevenKMakes a nice small debdiff between us and Debian12:07
TheMusoStevenK: So essentially you are saying to zero out 00list.12:08
StevenKEssentially, yes.12:09
TheMusoRight.12:09
imbrandonhrm no mention in the changelog about /needing/ debhelper .38 , i might try to build not versioned so tightly12:09
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imbrandonhum python-apt and gksu would have to be backported too, looks liek this will not happen12:14
imbrandonleaste not "officialy12:14
imbrandon:"12:14
imbrandon  gdebi: Depends: gksu (>= 2.0.0-1ubuntu3) but it is not installed12:15
imbrandon  gdebi-core: Depends: python-apt (>= 0.6.20ubuntu2) but 0.6.19ubuntu9 is installed12:15
imbrandonStevenK, ^^12:15
imbrandoneverything is versioned super tight, not sure why, but i'd assume for good reason12:16
TheMusoimbrandon: Many people been using the build machines?12:23
imbrandonhavent really looked, i seen a few have12:23
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imbrandonTheMuso, btw i got the ppc running if you werent here the other day when i said so12:24
TheMusoimbrandon: nope.12:24
imbrandoni need to make a page with all the info and status of each12:24
imbrandonhehe12:24
TheMusoBTW are the home directories for each of those boxes independant of each other?12:25
imbrandonTheMuso, the ppc box is intrepid.ubuntuwire.com ( aurora. is x86 and sparky. is sparc )12:25
TheMusofor users?12:25
imbrandonyea12:25
TheMusoright12:25
imbrandoni've been toying with the idea of setting up a kerbos server to auth against and a nfs /home12:26
imbrandonpossibly might do that next week when i'm off12:26
TheMusoimbrandon: I was thinking of something like that for home, because it would be nice to be able to pbuilder the same package on several boxes at the same time in several sessions.12:26
TheMusoWe run the pbuilder scripts on those boxes with sudo right?12:27
imbrandonyup12:27
TheMusoOr is that taken care of somehow?12:27
imbrandonno12:27
StevenKWhich means we effectively have root on the boxes. :-P12:27
imbrandonjust run "pbuilder-$dist build blah.dsc"12:27
TheMusoah ok thanks.12:28
imbrandonStevenK, shush , thats why i limited it to -dev and -core-dev , figured there was some level of trust there12:28
imbrandon;)12:28
StevenKHeh12:28
StevenKCan I prove it and root one of them? :-P12:28
imbrandonoh no, i totaly know you can12:28
imbrandons/you/anyone12:29
imbrandonnot really a way arorund it short of no access ;)12:29
TheMusohah12:29
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imbrandonbut like i said , there should be some accountability since its -dev -core-dev12:29
imbrandon;)12:29
TheMusoimbrandon: Ok, your mirror has problems.12:30
TheMusoErr http://mirror.imbrandon.com feisty/main gettext 0.16.1-1ubuntu1 404 Not Found12:30
imbrandonTheMuso, np ( thank siretart too since the sparc is his , and everyone else for helping me set them up etc etc etc )12:30
TheMusoFailed to fetch http://mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gettext/gettext_0.16.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  404 Not Found12:30
TheMusoE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis12:30
imbrandonit might by syncing , one sec12:30
TheMusosure12:31
imbrandonohh did you pbuilder-feisty update ?12:31
imbrandonfirst ?12:31
TheMusooh no.12:31
TheMusoI wasn't sure whether we had to do that.12:31
imbrandonmight wanna do that ;)12:31
imbrandonyea i need to set a cron or something to do that12:31
TheMusodoing it now.12:31
imbrandonbut for now yes12:31
TheMusothanks.12:31
imbrandonw12:32
imbrandongah12:32
imbrandonquick hide hobbsee is comming12:32
siretartimbrandon: I think the pbuilder setup on such semi-public hosts need some more thought. simply running it via cron seems too errorprone to me...12:32
imbrandon;)12:32
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imbrandonsiretart, yea i've had problems in the past doing it on cron12:33
imbrandonthats why i said "maybe"12:33
TheMusoAhhhh! Thats more like it.12:33
TheMusoWhere do our results end up?12:34
imbrandonerr not said, but thought , heheh12:34
imbrandonTheMuso, /storage/pbuilders/$dist/results12:34
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TheMusook thanks.12:34
imbrandonif i do nfs home dirs then it will be in ~/results possibly12:35
imbrandonthis is all a work in progress ;)12:35
TheMusoUnderstandable.12:35
TheMusoBut what there is already really rocks.12:35
imbrandon:)12:37
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TheMusoimbrandon: Is there a reason why if I try transferring files between my home dir on two different machines, i.e aurora to intrepid, that my ssh key is not seen, yet if I ssh/scp from home, my ssh key is seen just fine?12:40
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TheMusoI'd rather transfer some files from aurora as it is quicker.12:40
imbrandonyour private key is not on aurora12:40
TheMusoto intrepid, to do more test building.12:40
TheMusoah of course.12:41
TheMusothanks12:41
imbrandonyou can ssh -A host iirc ( StevenK knows )12:41
imbrandonand it will forward the info afaik12:41
imbrandonexit12:41
imbrandongah12:41
TheMusoRIght12:41
TheMusoIs there a reason why the authorized_keys file has the execute bit set?12:42
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imbrandonprobably a mistake in my import script, should be harmless as its only public keys but i'll look into it12:43
TheMusoyeah I know.12:44
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TheMusoOk, so pbuilders on intrepid, sparky, and aurora should now all be up to date. :)12:53
imbrandonthanks TheMuso ;)12:53
TheMusosparky is just tarring up again.12:53
TheMusonp.12:53
TheMusoI am just doing test builds.12:53
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imbrandon;)12:57
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imbrandonbrb smoke break01:06
TheMusoimbrandon: When you return, when is amd64 likely to be available?01:18
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imbrandonTheMuso, hopefully sometimes this week if everything goes as planned01:59
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AstralJavadholbach: ping?03:44
dholbachAstralJava: pong03:45
AstralJavaDo you know whether your branch ought to create *.tar.gz or *.tar files for gdmsetup to choose from? Talking about ubuntustudio stuff again. :)03:45
dholbachthe package you can generate from the branch should contain a .desktop file for that03:46
AstralJavaOh.03:47
dholbach/usr/share/gdm/themes/<blabla>/GdmGreeterTheme.desktop03:47
AstralJavaA-ha. That gets created.03:48
AstralJavaSo with that, gdmsetup ought to be able to give a preview etc.?03:49
dholbachyes03:49
AstralJavaSomething's wrong with it, then. Okay thanks, I'll go bug-hunting. :)03:51
dholbachok03:51
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shawarmaI just read Ridell's mail on ubuntu-motu ml. That's not really a MOTU council decision, but rather a MOTU-vf one, isn't it? I know the two teams are mostly the same people, but still?03:58
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dholbachshawarma: with the spec approved by the TB, it's not a matter of the motu-uvf / MC it seems03:59
dholbachbut it's marked as deferred03:59
dholbachhm03:59
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shawarmaRight, I didn't think about TB had approved it..04:02
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Q-FUNKhttp://www.cyrius.com/journal/debian/fulong04:30
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pochuhello04:36
pochuit is universe hug day in some places of the world, isn't it?04:36
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bddebianHeya gang04:48
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AstralJavaAnyone have any idea how 822-date gives an extra whitespace before the numerical number of the day of month? debuild just won't take it.05:00
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DooMRunneRhi05:08
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AstralJavadholbach: ping?05:10
dholbachin a meeting05:12
dholbachpong05:12
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dholbachthere are lots of other people to ask in here as well05:12
dholbachuse       dch -i05:12
AstralJavaSorry, this is another thing and regards your initially created bzr branch. :) Not talking about the date issue anymore.05:13
dholbachand user something like this in your ~/.bashrc05:13
dholbachexport DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach'05:13
dholbachexport DEBEMAIL='daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com'05:13
dholbachoh ok05:13
dholbachno need to run        date --rfc-282205:13
AstralJavaWhich I directed generally towards the whole channel.05:13
dholbachok fire away05:13
AstralJavaIt's the ubuntustudio-icon branch, won't build. Since I'm still new to it, how should I approach in fixing this issue:05:14
AstralJavachmod a+x /tmp/buildd/ubuntustudio-icon-theme-0.1/./configure05:14
AstralJavachmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/ubuntustudio-icon-theme-0.1/./configure': No such file or directory05:14
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\shre05:19
\shnice power outage we had...05:19
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dholbachAstralJava: what do you have in debian/rules?05:24
dholbachAstralJava: there should be nothing looking for ./configure05:25
AstralJavainclude /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk05:25
AstralJavainclude /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk05:25
dholbachgnome is wrong05:25
dholbachwhere did you get that from?05:25
AstralJavaStraight from the bzr tree.05:25
dholbachahhh ok05:26
dholbachwe're talking about *-icon-*05:26
dholbachno, then that's fine05:26
DooMRunneRlittle question: i've packed a hohle bunch of software in our company for ubuntu 6.06 LTS Server, most time for our own businessneeds and i now i will give my work back to the community; but i have no idea where to start :)05:26
dholbachAstralJava: you need to run     ./autogen.sh && make dist          to get a tarball ready05:26
dholbachDooMRunneR: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU would be a good start05:27
AstralJavaAlright, separately or include it in debian/rules or something?05:27
dholbachAstralJava: separately05:27
AstralJavaKinda figured right after asked. :)05:27
DooMRunneRdavromaniak, nice, thats the thing i was looking for05:30
davromaniakhmmm, DooMRunneR ???05:30
DooMRunneRdavromaniak, sry, mean dholbach 05:31
DooMRunneR:)05:31
davromaniakok05:32
dholbachrock on :)05:32
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Toadstoolg'morning MOTU world05:36
bddebianHeya Toadstool05:36
Toadstoolhi bddebian !05:36
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tbfhoy MOTU world05:38
tbfhmm... revu has incomings05:38
tbfcommander, we have incomings - uh it are tarballs! - hopefully they do not burn!05:39
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AstralJavaHot tar burns.05:39
DooMRunneRwhat's the procedure if my packages are newer than the one from debian or ubuntu, think it's a little bit stupid when some other guys works on the same product as well?05:40
tbfDooMRunneR: well you could contact the maintainer listed in the package per mail05:41
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stgrabershawarma: around ?05:45
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DooMRunneRprincible, is it regardless of wich side (ubuntu/debian)  i contribute the packages?05:47
bddebianDooMRunneR: It's preferred that it goes to Debian first and we just sync it from them05:49
DooMRunneRthere is a maintainer-group for opennms in debian as far as i know, but noone for ubuntu05:49
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=== tbf wonders if forcing people to work with debian is a good policy, considering debian lacks a lot of the pragmatism that's typical for ubunutu
=== tbf just remembers being kicked from #debian several times for not having a real name set
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ogra_nobody is forced :) 05:57
ogra_its just a suggestion that makes your life a *lot* easier 05:57
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norsettoGood morning/afternoon/evening gents06:21
norsettoI was referred to this channel for questions re. MOTU06:22
tonyyarussoindeed06:22
somerville32:)06:22
norsettowell .... I asked the mailing list what I could do to help06:22
norsettonow, after having been through the packaging guide, the FAQ, having a launchpad account, etc. etc.06:24
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norsettoand checking the TODO ... what about actually DOING something?06:24
tonyyarussonorsetto: anything on that TODO that looks like you could do it?06:26
norsettocould start with something easy (I guess) like Bug #88232 (Firefox description OOD)06:27
UbugtuMalone bug 88232 in firefox "Package description is very out of date" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8823206:27
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tonyyarussoyeah, that's a nice one06:31
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AstralJavaWonder if anyone has time to check out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9269/ ? I've got some autotools/make issues. Thanks!06:53
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mattybatshello06:56
mattybats krb5-user: Depends: libkrb53 (= 1.4.3-9ubuntu1) but 1.4.3-9ubuntu1.1 is to be installed06:57
mattybats             Depends: libkadm55 (= 1.4.3-9ubuntu1) but 1.4.3-9ubuntu1.1 is to be installed06:57
mattybatslooks like the dependency packages were upgraded for some security fix06:58
tonyyarussomattybats: file a bug and tag it as "packaging" and "bitesize"06:58
mattybatshow do i do that?06:59
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tonyyarusso!bugs06:59
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:59
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mattybatstonyyarusso: any idea why i can't force a download of the package with apt-get -d install krb5-user?07:01
tonyyarussomattybats: not sure07:01
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AstralJavaIf in Makefile.in I've got "distdir = $(PACKAGE)-$(VERSION)", and "PACKAGE=@PACKAGE@", does @PACKAGE@ mean "PACKAGE" in configure script?07:12
Laser_awayI think that get's replaced07:12
Laser_awaygrep for PACKAGE in the source07:13
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AstralJavaThere's really no source, at least in the traditional sense, this is a branch for creating a .deb for icons for UbuntuStudio. The only place I got with something significant after PACKAGE= is in fact the configure script.07:16
AstralJavaDoes this look like a sane entry? From grepping the directory, I get:07:19
AstralJava./configure:PACKAGE=1.9 tar-ustar07:19
Laser_awayhmm07:19
Laser_awayare you setting PACKAGE in debian/rules?07:20
Laser_awayoh, wait your just looking at the Makefile.in07:20
AstralJavaNo, there's only two include entries.07:21
Laser_awayI think that's right, alhough I'm not sure if 1.9 tar-ustar makes much sense07:21
AstralJavaAlright, well, when I do 'make dist', it says "rm -rf -" and I traced it to "rm -rf ${PACKAGE}-${VERSION}" inside Makefile.in, which lead me to question. Apparently, nothing is in PACKAGE nor VERSION.07:22
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Laser_awayit's seems to me that it would be PACKAGE=tar-ustar and VERSION=1.907:24
Laser_awaywhat does the Makefile have?07:24
AstralJavaHmm, yeah under that abovementioned PACKAGE value there is VERSION with nothing for it.07:25
AstralJavaMakefile has nothing for PACKAGE = 07:26
AstralJava...nor VERSION =07:26
Laser_awayso it's not making it from Makefile.in to Makefile07:26
AstralJavaSo I'm gonna try fixing configure script the way you mentioned.07:27
AstralJavaLooks a loooooooot saner to me now. :)07:28
AstralJavaNow it actually created a *.tar.gz file.07:29
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Laser_awayAstralJava: \o/07:35
AstralJavaNice, thanks. ;) But now pbuilder says: configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."07:36
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gnomefreakwhere would i find the .desktop file (either file itself or build instructions other than rules file) in the debian dir of a package?08:10
bddebian?08:10
bddebianIt doesn't have to be in the /debian dir, upstream might provide it08:10
gpocentekbddebian++08:10
gpocentek(hello)08:10
bddebianHeya gpocentek08:11
gpocentekhi bddebian :)08:11
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ajmitchmorning all08:47
Ursinhaajmitch, afternoon :)08:47
ajmitchtonyyarusso: krb5 bugs like that are a really good indication that someone has security updates turned on only for main08:48
ajmitcheg, not a packaging bug08:48
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LaserJockhi ajmitch 08:52
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tonyyarussoajmitch: ah, good to know.  Noted.08:53
ajmitchhey LaserJock 08:53
tonyyarussoand I'm off08:53
Lutin /w 408:56
Lutin(sorry)08:56
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LaserJockajmitch: you ignoring me? :-)09:06
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ajmitchLaserJock: no?09:09
ajmitchLaserJock: why do you think that?09:11
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tsmithejussi01, hello09:24
jussi01hei tsmithe 09:26
tsmitheAstralJava, how's the icon-theme going?09:26
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AstralJavaIt's not. I keep bashing my head against:09:28
AstralJavaconfigure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."09:28
jussi01AstralJava, anything I can do to help out?09:29
AstralJavajussi01: You're sure welcome to try; that's the error msg that ends a pbuilder run. install-sh actually resides in the directory I start the run from.09:30
jussi01could you send me the code?09:31
tsmithejussi01, it's on bzr09:31
tsmithehang on - i'll find the branch09:31
jussi01thanks09:31
AstralJavahttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/ubuntu09:31
tsmithehehe09:31
tsmitheAstralJava, beat me to it :P09:32
tsmithejussi01, that's dholbach's branch, so obviously you can't push to it. his instructions were, to create a tarball, run `./autogen.sh && make dist`09:32
tsmitheif you do want to push a branch up, i'm sure you know how09:32
=== tsmithe and AstralJava, and well, the whole ubuntustudio team, would really appreciate a patch
AstralJavaWe had to fix it, though, to get the tarball created. Not sure it might be quite dirty, but it is a show-stopper. In configure, one needs to alter PACKAGE= entry and move 1.9 to VERSION= entry. Does that make sense?09:33
tsmitheAstralJava, that sounds like it should be fixed in autogen.sh09:33
AstralJavaHmm...09:33
tsmithealso, the best way to "make sense" is to get a diff ;)09:34
AstralJavaautogen only fires up a few other tools.09:34
tsmitheyeah i can see09:34
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Lutindoko: could you have a look at bug #90480 when you have some time ?  just want to make sure it's the right thing to do09:49
UbugtuMalone bug 90480 in cinepaint "[apport]  gimpcons.py crashed with NameError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9048009:49
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vtigerHello09:53
vtigercan I get some help with a dchroot error?09:53
vtigerWhen I do a dchroot -d I get an error that reads 09:55
vtigerdchroot: chdir: No such file or directory09:56
Lutinhum, I had this bug some time ago09:57
Lutins/bug/issue because I'm not sure it's a bug actually. but can't recall how I solved it09:57
tsmithei thought a bug was when a package didn't do something it was supposed to09:57
vtigerLutin: You made a debootstrap chroot?09:59
Lutinvtiger: a while ago yes. iirc it's related to your username10:00
vtigerumm .. ok10:01
Lutinsomething like dchroot trying to chdir to a nonexistent dir because of <file the reason here>10:01
vtigermy username or my chroot username?10:01
vtigerah I wonder if the mount -a should fix that10:01
vtigerin anycase I still can't start X after that10:01
tepsipakkidoes #xorg-devel qualify?10:02
tepsipakkiuh10:02
vtigerQualify?10:02
tepsipakkiignore that10:02
tepsipakkiwrong channel ;)10:02
vtiger:-)10:03
vtigerWhooot! fixed!10:05
Lutinvtiger: how did you fix it ?10:06
vtigerI looked at the X output10:06
vtiger I was using the wrong driver. I had edited it just before trying chrooting10:07
ajmitchhm, dare I upgrade dbus?10:09
TheMusoHey MOTUs./10:12
ajmitchhi MOTU10:13
TheMusoheh10:13
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malix0hi 10:19
malix0is there some one interested on have pfadmin 1.6.2 in feisty?10:20
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malix0Hi I asked before, but excuse me, my irc client crashed10:42
malix0is some one interested on get pgadmin 1.6.2 into feisty?10:43
FujitsuIs the mention of motu-sru uploading to -updates (on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU) a mistake, or has the policy changed since the email to the list a couple of days back?10:50
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LaserJockmalix0: we are already past upstream version freeze11:30
LaserJockmalix0: if there are significant bug fixes and it's just a bug-fix release you can do maybe do a freeze exception11:31
malix0LaserJock: ok11:32
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bddebianLater folks12:03
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