[12:26] <grazie> !mp3
[12:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:27] <cycro> yes
[12:28] <ffxr> right hang on there, i have an XP VM and i havent set a printer up on it yet.. ll follow this howto now & see if i get stuck n all.. gimme 5
[12:28] <cycro> kk thx
[12:30] <ffxr> cycro what did you put in for your location portion? can you pastebin it? its probably your problem in there..
[12:31] <ffxr> http://pastebin.ca/
[12:36] <cycro> ok
[12:36] <cycro> wait
[12:37] <cycro> http://pastebin.ca/385630
[12:39] <grazie> SkippyX: with 128M ram that machine should be fine, 96M of ram is about the minimum
[12:40] <cycro> ffxr, http://pastebin.ca/385630
[12:46] <cycro> any success?
[12:47] <adhama> This is a super newb question...(Maybe cuz I downloaded ubuntu last Wednesday) But what package do I need to connect wirelessly? I have a laptop and a linksys notebook adapter. 802.11b
[12:49] <maxamillion> !wifi | adhama
[12:49] <ubotu> adhama: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:49] <adhama> cool, thanks
[12:49] <maxamillion> adhama: anytime :)
[12:52] <cycro> brb, food
[12:58] <ffxr> cycro, are you there? right comment out this line # Browsing Off .. and connect the printer by browsering to it...
[01:04] <ffxr> cycro what subnet is your XP machine one, what IP address is it.. mine work here..
[01:04] <ffxr> forget about that browsing thing.... i have samba set up.. i dont think youll be able to browse the way i did...
[01:04] <ffxr> so what subnet is you xp machine on...?
[01:12] <cycro> ffxr, sorry about that, i was eating
[01:13] <cycro> ffxr, my subnet is 192.168.0.*
[01:13] <maxamillion> cycro: i don't think that is what ffxr wanted .... what is the subnet mask?
[01:14] <cycro> oh
[01:14] <maxamillion> i could be wrong though
[01:14] <cycro> er
[01:14] <maxamillion> i haven't been here for the whole convo
[01:14] <cycro> lol
[01:14] <cycro> wats the subnet mask again?
[01:14] <cycro> yeah
[01:14] <cycro> its always like that
[01:14] <ffxr> cycro do an ipconfig on your xp machine
[01:14] <ffxr> what ip address is it?
[01:14] <cycro> its 255.255.255.0
[01:14] <cycro> its
[01:14] <maxamillion> cycro: no, its not always ... that's just default ;)
[01:14] <cycro> 192.168.0.105
[01:15] <cycro> maxamillion, ok :P
[01:15] <ffxr> right i dunno whats wrong then... try changing Allow From 192.168.0.* to Allow From All
[01:15] <ffxr> not very secure.. but lets get the thing to work..
[01:16] <cycro> mm alright
[01:16] <cycro> shud i take out Deny From All?
[01:16] <ffxr> naw it doesnt matter, the allow will overide..
[01:16] <cycro> oh ok
[01:16] <ffxr> then restart cups sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[01:17] <ffxr> then try the connect in xp..
[01:17] <cycro> gime a few mins
[01:17] <ffxr> k.. maxamillion how secure will that leave his printer, do u know.. its no biggy is it really... for an internal network?
[01:18] <ffxr> supppose its hard for u to get ur head round what were at here ; )
[01:18] <cycro> if i allow from all, it will let anybody passing by my house to print
[01:19] <cycro> because my router has no encryption :P
[01:19] <ffxr> hahahah ... let me think about that.. lets see if we can get it to work first...
[01:20] <ffxr> u could try.. just limiting it to the xp address , 192.168.0.105 i dont know why that wildcard isnt working i had the same problem here..
[01:21] <cycro> hm
[01:22] <cycro> yeah
[01:22] <cycro> same problem
[01:22] <cycro> says i need a user name and pass
[01:22] <ffxr> did you restart cups?
[01:23] <cycro> yes
[01:23] <ffxr> right se e the line below # Default authentication type, when authentication is required..
[01:23] <ffxr> ?
[01:23] <ffxr> change that to AuthType None
[01:23] <cycro> kk
[01:23] <ffxr> might be AuthType Basic atm ..
[01:24] <cycro> it is
[01:24] <ffxr> yeah change it..
[01:24] <cycro> done
[01:24] <cycro> retarting
[01:24] <cycro> restarting*
[01:24] <cycro> uh
[01:24] <cycro> brb
[01:25] <ffxr> i tried setting it to just my xp machines ip.. doesnt work.. seems to need that Allow From All
[01:26] <cycro> ok
[01:26] <cycro> not i get "Windows cannot get to the printer"
[01:26] <ffxr> u sure you got the address right?
[01:27] <cycro> yeah
[01:27] <ffxr> did cups start ok?
[01:28] <cycro> well
[01:28] <cycro> it restartd ok
[01:28] <cycro> op
[01:28] <cycro> now when i click Printing
[01:28] <cycro> it says "CUPS server cannot be starteD"
[01:29] <cycro> no wait
[01:29] <ffxr> on your ubuntu machine?
[01:29] <cycro> cannot be contacted*
[01:29] <cycro> yes
[01:29] <cycro> reboot ?
[01:30] <ffxr> no!
[01:30] <cycro> lol
[01:30] <ffxr> probably a speeling mistake or something in that cups.conf file..
[01:30] <ffxr> right back up that cups file somewhere & use mine.. i think they can be identical...
[01:31] <cycro> uh
[01:31] <ffxr> http://pastebin.ca/385675
[01:31] <tute666> definitely a spelling mistake
[01:31] <tute666> ignore me, i've just had a bottle of wine
[01:31] <ffxr> hhaha nice : )
[01:32] <tute666> especially the wine.
[01:32] <ffxr> fuck i thought i was getting some moral support there
[01:32] <tute666> argentina rocks for wine
[01:32] <ffxr> its a while since i had a drink now, b4 christmas
[01:32] <ffxr> cycro, whwre are we up to there?
[01:33] <cycro> ffxr, im backing up the cups file
[01:33] <ffxr> k
[01:34] <cycro> crap
[01:34] <cycro> it copies the numbers
[01:34] <cycro> as well?
[01:34] <cycro> i havae to delete each line number
[01:34] <ffxr> what numbers.. ahh shit.. letmesse
[01:34] <cycro> well when i view it
[01:35] <cycro> each line is numbere
[01:35] <cycro> d
[01:35] <cycro> wait
[01:35] <cycro> scratch that
[01:35] <cycro> no
[01:35] <cycro> un scratch it
[01:35] <cycro> it copies the line number as well-_-
[01:35] <ffxr> http://pastebin.ca/385681
[01:35] <cycro> Oh
[01:35] <cycro> u gota go underneath
[01:36] <cycro> rofl
[01:36] <ffxr> ah well.. whatever .. m only new to that pastebin melarkey meself
[01:36] <cycro> lol
[01:37] <ffxr> aye its grand from the lower textbox
[01:37] <cycro> yea
[01:37] <cycro> lol
[01:37] <cycro> ok done
[01:38] <cycro> restart..
[01:38] <cycro> ok
[01:38] <cycro> now brb
[01:39] <cycro> omfg
[01:39] <cycro> no
[01:40] <ffxr> what still the user/pass?
[01:40] <cycro> no
[01:40] <cycro> cant connect
[01:40] <cycro> shud i make it a network printer?
[01:40] <ffxr> try browsing for it.. i think you have the address wrong..
[01:40] <cycro> i put
[01:41] <ffxr> whats the name of your printer?
[01:41] <cycro> http://192.168.0.104:631/printers/Stylus-Photo-R220
[01:41] <ffxr> so ur ip is correct & ur sure thats the exact name of your printer?
[01:41] <cycro> yes
[01:42] <cycro> maybe i have to do port forwarding
[01:42] <ffxr> naw.. dont think so.. unless you have a firewall on your xp machine?
[01:42] <cycro> windwos firewall
[01:42] <ffxr> turn of the firewall.. but i dont think that what it is.. it  worth a shot..
[01:43] <ffxr> just a mo..
[01:43] <cycro> k brb
[01:43] <ffxr> just get it to work.. we'll tidy things up.. after ..
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> anyone have a moment to assist with a wifi issue? (i already been to the wiki page...followed the instructions, no joy)
[01:45] <ffxr> shout.. ll see if i can ..
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> i followed the instructions, but still get access point "invalid"
[01:46] <cycro> IT WORKS
[01:46] <ffxr> yeah.. nice one eventually..
[01:46] <cycro> thank you
[01:46] <ffxr> what chipset is in that NIC vidd_laptop?
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> I know the mac address of the wireless connection on the router....
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> BCM43xx
[01:46] <ffxr> cycro.. do u know how let that ip & port throught that firewall...?
[01:46] <cycro> ffxr, thank you
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> 4306 to be precise
[01:47] <cycro> yes
[01:47] <cycro> that wasnt my problem
[01:47] <cycro> my problem was i had the name wrong
[01:47] <ffxr> Yeah Told ye.. didnt i ; -p
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> D'OH
[01:47] <cycro> -_-
[01:47] <cycro> it was /printerS with an s
[01:48] <ffxr> righgt vidd_laptop how did you install your NIC drivers?
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> and the holmer award goes to....(just kidding)
[01:49] <ffxr> cycro do a search round the forums bout that Allow from all thing.. it doesnt seem to work by limiting it.. to 198.168.0.* maybe you could experiment yourself.. i dont think its a big deal anyway..
[01:49] <cycro> ffxr, alright thanks
[01:49] <ffxr> i dont them drivers.. vidd_laptop.. whooese the manufacture..
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> it SEAMS to be working (the stupid light is on nonstop) but it seams to just not be able to ID my router
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> Broadcomm
[01:50] <cycro> ffxr, i limited the Allow from all to Allow from 192.168.0.105 (my xp box)
[01:50] <ffxr> yeah i had a similar issue as a matter of fact... i had to reinstall the kernel modules.. how did you install the drivers.. ? was a just work job or did you have to manually cinstall something?
[01:51] <ffxr> does it wrok cycro?
[01:51] <cycro> ffxr, gona try
[01:51] <ffxr> restart cups...
[01:51] <ffxr> i tried it on mine.. didnt work.. dunno whats up wi it..
[01:51] <maxamillion> cups is a pain
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> ffxr, i sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[01:51] <cycro> ffxr, it works
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> then ran the script provided in the wiki
[01:52] <ffxr> hahah we'll there u go..
[01:52] <ffxr> gone fires a link to that script pls... vidd_laptop
[01:54] <ffxr> it was probably that browse off.. that sorted it cycro.. tho why the FUCK doesnt it work on mine..
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[01:54] <ffxr> m not that bothered anyway.. free printing round my street
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> wow...language?
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> the script is:
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[01:56] <ffxr> yeah i see that.. does the whole howto work.. ok? are u using encryption on the netwwrok?
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> yes...i use encryption
[01:56] <ffxr> mmm maybe we could turn that off for a while... ?
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> but i have the network-admin set up correctly
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> mmmm] 
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> then the othe 6 pc's in the house wont work
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[01:57] <ffxr> ha.. right ...
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> i dont want to boot ppl off
[01:57] <ffxr> got ya.. : )
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> they mad at me anyway for firing M$ in the first place
[01:58] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: long time no speak
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> especially the old lady......
[01:58] <maxamillion> laters
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> *wave* max
[01:59] <ffxr> what kernel are you using vidd_laptop
[01:59] <ffxr> ?
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> currently, 2.6.10-9
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> currently, 2.6.20-9
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> sorry...cant type tonight
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> but i went all the way back to dapper default and it STILL wouldnt work
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> i have the ssid broadcast enabled on the router so the wireless SHOULD be able to see it
[02:01] <ffxr> did u see this line.." If/when Ubuntu do a kernel upgrade to 2.6.17 or later you MUST use wl_apsta.o (the script does that). The new module does not have the invalid AP bug. To obtain the wl_apsta.o visit [WWW]  http://svit.epfl.ch/stuff/wl_apsta.o. (From the bcm43xx team). The latest firmware package contains this driver."
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> yes....and i used thier script to load it
[02:02] <ffxr> i had issues with my wireless nic when i compiled my own kernel.. to 1.6.20-1
[02:02] <ffxr> 2*
[02:03] <ffxr> i had to use cvs drivers from serialmonkey.. (for ralink just)
[02:04] <ffxr> its your kernel.. i bet.. wonder if theres is anytjhing on broadcomms site or anywhere about the later kernels..
[02:04] <vidd_laptop> is there a way to SPECIFY the access point?
[02:05] <ffxr> yeah you can.. but it doesnt work.. ve been on a similar road to you .. let me check the command.. suppose its worth a try..
[02:05] <ffxr> yeah,,.
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> how do you specify the access point?
[02:09] <ffxr> with something like: iwconfig eth0 ap 00:60:1D:01:23:45
[02:09] <ffxr> i dont use now of them guis..
[02:10] <ffxr> now = nonw
[02:10] <ffxr> now = none
[02:10] <ffxr> ; )
[02:11] <ffxr> mate i dunno.. i am still sure.. its some thing to do with the kernel modules & the 2.6.20 kernel..
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> but i even formated and installed 2.6.17-? that came with edgy, and still no luck
[02:14] <ffxr> 2.6.16 comes with edgy.. did u do the upgrade to 2.6.27 that comes with the updates..?
[02:14] <ffxr> 2.6.17
[02:15] <ffxr> my typing sheesh : \
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> ....
[02:16] <ffxr> on google it say invalid .. means your key is invalid..
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> i always install a command line system, get the updates, then run xubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <ffxr> k.. : )
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> i copy pasted it....
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> it CANT be wrong
[02:17] <ffxr> how long is it..? i know there is some issue with long keys..
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> =/
[02:17] <ffxr> calm down there fella..
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> im not mad
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> im confused
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> 26 digits
[02:18] <ffxr> so thats that ruled out, i think that key problems starts if its longer than 32 bits...
[02:21] <ffxr> is it feisty your on?
[02:21] <cycro> ffxr, thanks again
[02:21] <cycro> lates
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> currently...yes
[02:22] <ffxr> well... m drawing a blank fella..
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:25] <ffxr> hhaha i spent 36 figuring out an issue on my rt61 card.. so
[02:27] <ffxr> i would try and find out if it an WPA thing...
[02:28] <ffxr> afaik invalid means your wifi card isnt being authenticated by your router#
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> =[
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> hmmmm....the frequency looks like it might be off.....
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> the router is set to channel 6 (2.437GHz) and my iwconfig says the card is looking at 2.484GHz.....
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> that WOULD cause an issue....right?
[02:39] <ffxr> yeah maybe.. dont be getting your hoeps up thio : )
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:39] <ffxr> iwconfig eth0 freq 2.422G
[02:39] <ffxr> theree is commands in there to change it..
[02:40] <ffxr> i guess you could change the freq & try another scan..
[02:40] <ffxr> i think u can change the channel as well..
[02:41] <ffxr> but i warn you , this has a while ring to things i tried with my NIC, before i got CVS dkernel modules from somewhere..
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> the true linux motto:
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> hack till it hurt...i mean WORKS
[03:06] <Prisoner_> hello there
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Prisoner_
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> ffxr, now im on the right channel.....i was on channel 14 B4...now im on channel 6 (like im supposed to be)
[03:10] <Prisoner_> think I got Java working, finally
[03:10] <vidd_laptop> lol
[03:14] <Eagle_101> Are there any Gnome related apps that are commonly used in xfce?
[03:14] <ffxr> hahh coolio.. so vidd_laptop.. ... u reckon ur a bit closer then?
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> ha...if only
[03:14] <ffxr> Eagle_101, why do u ask?
[03:14] <ffxr> ; ) vidd_laptop
[03:15] <Eagle_101> ffxr, just wondering as I've been using xfce and was wondering if any of the apps were based on it in any way.
[03:17] <OMGLAZERS> Hey can anyone tell me if it's possible to enable sudo priviliges in the file manager so I can copy and move w/o using the terminal (using Thunar that came w/ xubuntu)
[03:17] <Prisoner_> I've run KDE apps on Xubuntu, haven't tried anything designed for gnome yet
[03:17] <ffxr> i dunno.. i use one app from gnome a dock called AWN
[03:18] <ffxr> xfce ubuntu has a few gnome libraries.., ijn there by default anyway.., doesnt it?
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> OMGLAZERS, yes...in terminal, type sudo thunar
[03:19] <OMGLAZERS> vidd_laptop, Ok, is that only for 15 minutes or is that perminant for the session?
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> OMGLAZERS, so far as ive seen, it is for as long as the session(s) last.....
[03:19] <OMGLAZERS> vidd_laptop, Thank you very much :)
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> 2 terminals, both with sudo thunar
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> makes it easier to copy files that way =] 
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> of course you COULD always just enable login as root.....
[03:22] <vidd_laptop> but as it is VERY unsecure, i will not instruct in open channel
[03:22] <Prisoner_> running as root can be dangerous
[03:22] <OMGLAZERS> vidd_laptop, Honestly though; if someone wants to hack my poor lil desktop w/o a single valuable thing on it, they can feel free :P
[03:22] <OMGLAZERS> Prisoner_, Yea I know
[03:22] <Prisoner_> neither do I
[03:22] <OMGLAZERS> brb gotta log for a second. Thanks for the help vidd
[03:23] <ffxr> oh go on be a devil ; )
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> OMGLAZERS, if youREALLY want me to install a porn server on your home machine....
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:23] <Prisoner_> lol
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> the FBI and homeland security can knock down YOUR door
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:25] <OMGLAZERS> Back
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> OMGLAZERS, if youREALLY want me to install a porn server on your home machine....
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> the FBI and homeland security can knock down YOUR door
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:25] <OMGLAZERS> Sorry I really screwed something up.. I used the mouse-click choosing to kill something
[03:25] <OMGLAZERS> O_O
[03:25] <OMGLAZERS> Whats the name of the process of my desktop? I accidently killed it
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> go ahead....run as root
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> lol
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> xfwm4
[03:26] <OMGLAZERS> I know :P
[03:26] <OMGLAZERS> Im new to linux, what can I say
[03:26] <OMGLAZERS> At least im trying
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> no worries
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> just dont let me catch ya running as root
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> some guy acually thought i was KIDDING
[03:27] <OMGLAZERS> Great now it tells me one is running
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:27] <OMGLAZERS> My damn desktop
[03:27] <Prisoner_> I'll never run as root believe me, I'm a Linux noob but I know better
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> Prisoner_, then yer a newb...not a noob
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> there is a difference
[03:28] <Prisoner_> I'm newer at this than I thought<grin>
[03:29] <Prisoner_> I just learned I can play MP3s
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> no-one ADMITS to being a N00b
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> (noob is a dirogitory, while newb is a developmental stage)\
[03:30] <Prisoner_> lol
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> preferably a NON-BCMxxx
[03:32] <ffxr> : )
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> broadcom socks almost as much as M$
[03:32] <Prisoner_> I wrote an article for my PC usergroup newsletter aobut Xubuntu, they are going to pulish it in the April edition
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> cool
[03:33] <Prisoner_> we have around 2000 members, maybe the OS will get a boost in this area
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> Prisoner_, is it an online article?
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> wb omglazers
[03:33] <omglazers> yea. So.
[03:33] <omglazers> I fucked up :D
[03:33] <Prisoner_> the club has a Linux special interest group, they seem to be big into Xandros
[03:33] <Prisoner_> the newsletter is only online for members
[03:33] <omglazers> It wouldn't start the xfwm4
[03:34] <omglazers> And so I just killed the current xfwm4 process, figuring I could restart it..
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> !language | omglazers
[03:34] <ubotu> omglazers: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:34] <omglazers> Whoops sorry =-o
[03:34] <omglazers> Frustrated and didn't realize. Long day at the hospital.
[03:34] <omglazers> My bad :(
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> no worries
[03:34] <Prisoner_> right now just chatting online listeing to MP3s on Xubuntu
[03:35] <omglazers> Anyways, I killed xfwm4, and it threw me to a blank blue. I went into a tty, logged in, but im unable to run startx or xfwm4; both wont work I think
[03:35] <omglazers> If I kill the sessions at the main login, will it reset the problems?
[03:35] <Prisoner_> did you try to install the new XFCE?
[03:36] <omglazers> Nope Prisoner_
[03:36] <Prisoner_> me neither, still trying to get the hang of this thing
[03:37] <omglazers> Wait, do you mean 6.10?
[03:37] <omglazers> I do have 6.10
[03:37] <Prisoner_> there's a new version of XFCE 4.4 out
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> omglazers, kill xfdesktop
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> then you SHOULD be able to restart it
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> (or just reboot)
[03:38] <Prisoner_> bbl
[03:38] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: Run that in a tty?
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> yes
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> what is your issue?
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> ...what problem are you having
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> (asking what is your issue sounds bad)
[03:39] <omglazers> I killed xfwm4 and now when I log in, my desktop and xfce is gone
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> so you already rebooted?
[03:40] <omglazers> Yea, i've hit restart on my computer's front
[03:40] <omglazers> I won't lie
[03:40] <omglazers> I don't know if there's a terminal restart command aside from ctrlaltdel
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> yes...sudo reboot
[03:40] <omglazers> And I tried starting a new session and I dont know if I did it right because I would think a new session would work
[03:40] <omglazers> ok lemme try that
[03:40] <omglazers> Sorry. Super newb :(
[03:41] <omglazers> I would be glad to get back in and look it up but I have no desktop to even do that :)
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> lol
[03:41] <omglazers> 'restart - command not found' ?
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> REBOOT
[03:41] <omglazers> DOH
[03:41] <omglazers> I am really tired
[03:41] <omglazers> Christ
[03:41] <omglazers> I am sorry
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> another Holmer award is delivered!
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> ( i got several myself)
[03:42] <omglazers> Holmer award?
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> for the D'OH in us all
[03:43] <omglazers> Oh. Homer.
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> i get another for typo's!!!
[03:44] <ffxr> how would i go about changing the icon of vlc.. in a dock..>?
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> you can do that?
[03:46] <ffxr> i dunno i hope so.. why you reckon not? ive managed to change my home & other system ones.. so i cant change installed apps icons?
[03:46] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: I really screwed up.. no matter what session I log into, it doesnt have xfce or any desktop/bars/whatever
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> im sure you CAN....someone had to put the icon there in the first place.....
[03:47] <ffxr> cant you run xfdesktop omglazers and xfce4-session & xfce4-panels
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> omglazers, you get a blue screen on [ctrl] [alt] [f7] ?
[03:48] <vidd_laptop> ffxr, maybe he nuked his x.....
[03:48] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: I get the blue screen, with my GAIM on it
[03:48] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: My X isnt completely gone I guess. I can see my GAIM b/c it autoloads
[03:48] <vidd_laptop> hit [alt] [f2] 
[03:48] <omglazers> ok, what do I need to run? :)
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> xfdesktop
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> xfwm4
[03:49] <omglazers> That worked!
[03:49] <omglazers> :D
[03:49] <omglazers> I got my desktop back
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> no problem...20 bucks
[03:49] <omglazers> but not my bars :\
[03:49] <omglazers> :(
[03:49] <ffxr> sweet try not to break it next omglazers
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> run xfce4-panels
[03:50] <Prisoner_> I had some strange stuff happen with mine too, like when my Applications button vanished
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> but that is for a LAST resort
[03:51] <Prisoner_> managed to get it back though
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> you good now omglazers ?
[03:51] <ffxr> are icons generaklly 16x16?
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> ....
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> no idea
[03:52] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: xfce4-panels wont run
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> hmmmm
[03:52] <omglazers> 'failed to eecute child process "xfce4-panels" (no such file or directory)"
[03:52] <ffxr> might be panel just
[03:52] <omglazers> I think it might be because its already running
[03:52] <omglazers> Nope, nevermind. They're not.
[03:53] <omglazers> But it wont run
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> lose the 's'
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> remember....i cant type
[03:54] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: Ok, that worked; but they're just two little boxes floating in the middle of the screen
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> first day with the new fingers
[03:54] <omglazers> not like, the standard panels
[03:54] <omglazers> cant believe I did this.. i'm such an idio :\
[03:54] <omglazers> *idiot
[03:54] <ffxr> it happens omglazers, xfdesktop crashes occasionally..
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> on my system...all the time
[03:55] <omglazers> yea but now I dunno what to do w/o panels
[03:55] <omglazers> at least, functioning ones. they're justtwo little boxes
[03:55] <omglazers> oh I see what happened..
[03:55] <omglazers> I can add items to them
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> there ya go
[03:55] <omglazers> but they're not the default ones
[03:55] <omglazers> thats what I expected :\
[03:55] <ffxr> cripes, no that does sound strange.. did you have items on them before?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> i was just going to sugest that
[03:55] <omglazers> No I did
[03:55] <omglazers> How do I return them to default?
[03:55] <omglazers> Is there any way?
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> you COULD remove x and then re-install xubuntu-desktop....but that is almost overkill
[03:56] <omglazers> I see how to lock them down and all; I just figured there might be a 'return to default' to make it easier :P
[03:57] <omglazers> pft. I'd rather just redo the panels :P
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> XD
[03:57] <ffxr> hahah it might be easier to just uninstall purge xubuntu-desktop.. then reinstall that.. why does he have nuke x?
[03:58] <omglazers> hey would either one of you mind telling me the default pixel sizes of your top and bottom panels
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> quickest, fastest, easiest way (i found) to do so
[03:58] <ffxr> id try that first nothing to lose.. itd be a lot quicker than making them pannels over a gain.. ?
[03:58] <ffxr> ahh maybe the panels dont go be removed by removing xubunut-desktop..
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> when he re-installs...his config files will still be there
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> and they will still be *&^%&^$'ed up
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> omglazers, create a new user....
[03:59] <omglazers> -_- Oy. OK
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> then sudo thunar into thier home directory.....
[04:00] <ffxr> ahhh thats an idea.. : )
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> copy thier .conf files (all of them)
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> and paste in YOUR /home
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> then NUKE the new user
[04:00] <ffxr> it would take hours rejigging them panels....
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> (AFTER your golden)
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> dont forget to enable "view hidden files"
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> and im running fiesty
[04:03] <ffxr> i have none.. i use my dock from app switching,
[04:03] <ffxr> doesnt seem much different fiesty..
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> fiesty looks cool
[04:03] <ffxr> i spent 2 weeks getting my AMD64 machine setup right...
[04:03] <ffxr> now i have this new ubuntu to think about
[04:04] <ffxr> ppl say an upgrade is painless enough in ubuntu.. but..
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> wait till the new version is out and watch for issue reports before you upgrade
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> they OBVIOUSLY never upgraded from dapper to edgy
[04:04] <ffxr> yeah .. ll give a few months to to settle down.. but m an impatient get..
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> well...may AFTER they posted the fix.....
[04:05] <ffxr> well it was dapper -> edgy they said was ok..
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> ....
[04:05] <omglazers> Yea why is it when I boot it says 6.06 at splash
[04:05] <omglazers> But it thinks it' 6.1
[04:05] <omglazers> 0
[04:05] <omglazers> Is it .10 or .06 ?
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> they never updated the page
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> edgy is 6.10, dapper is 6.06
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> we need more doc help
[04:06] <omglazers> new user = no problems :P
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> hey theres this little trick.....
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> if you want to JUST restart your desktop(not the machine)
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> WITHOUT nuking your setup....
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> [ctrl] [alt] [bckspc] 
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> its not a prank either
[04:08] <omglazers> alright ill try it next time
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> did you do the new ser thing yet?
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> *user*
[04:09] <omglazers> yea
[04:09] <omglazers> all is good in the neighborhood
[04:09] <ffxr> nnice : )
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> quick...fast easy
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> you copy the .conf files?
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> or just using the new user?
[04:10] <omglazers> new user
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[04:10] <omglazers> I started this thing today
[04:10] <omglazers> not a big deal
[04:10] <omglazers> gah, it still wont let me administer the system
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> omglazers, you misunderstand.....
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> did you copy the new user data or just sign in as the new user?
[04:11] <omglazers> just sign in
[04:11] <omglazers> should I have copied something?
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> cuzz the new user dont have sudo privledges unless you give it to them
[04:11] <omglazers> I just made a new user and logged in as it
[04:11] <omglazers> Ah. How do I give it sudo perm. for stuff like the administration panels which it wont open?
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> open 2 terminals....
[04:12] <omglazers> ok
[04:12] <omglazers> im there, terminals open
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> type sudo thunar in both....
[04:13] <omglazers> done
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> click >view>show hidden.... (on both)
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> direct both to the /home directory of each user....
[04:14] <omglazers> done
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> highlight all the files in the NEW user, and copy to the OLD user
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> then [ctrl] [alt] [bckspc] 
[04:14] <omglazers> ohhh
[04:14] <omglazers> I see what you meant.
[04:14] <omglazers> :)
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> login as old user
[04:14] <omglazers> hehe
[04:14] <omglazers> much better idea
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> old user golden now?
[04:15] <omglazers> lemme see
[04:15] <omglazers> seems so
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> then it is safe to nuke the new user
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> or let your kid brother sign in on it
[04:16] <omglazers> when I log in it says "$home/.dmrc" is being ignored, preventing the default session and language from being saved
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> (it cant do any damage)
[04:16] <omglazers> file shoul dbe owned by user and have 644 permissions
[04:16] <omglazers> It thinks I dont own my own $home
[04:16] <omglazers> I guess I have to transfer ownership of it to make it work?
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> whoops....yeah
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> i think CHOWN is the command.....
[04:17] <cellofellow> oh, hi. (hehe)
[04:17] <omglazers> Chown ?
[04:17] <cellofellow> chown user file
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> im not positive
[04:17] <cellofellow> chrgrp group file
[04:17] <omglazers> just run 'chown' in term?
[04:17] <cellofellow> chmod mode file
[04:17] <cellofellow> like that.
[04:18] <cellofellow> chown user file
[04:18] <Prisoner_> hmm
[04:18] <vidd_laptop> so that user "a" is able to use user "a"'s home directory
[04:18] <omglazers> Think that worked.
[04:18] <omglazers> lemme try
[04:19] <omglazers> nope, didnt work.
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> you might need to add -R to the entire file directory
[04:19] <cellofellow> yeah
[04:19] <omglazers> so, chown glenn /usr/glenn -r?
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, he copied config files from user "b" to user "a"s folder
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> capital R i think
[04:20] <cellofellow> if, for example, /home/joe belongs to root, you should do chown -R joe /home/joe
[04:20] <cellofellow> usr?
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> no.../home
[04:20] <cellofellow> the proper place to put user files in in /home
[04:21] <cellofellow> usr means userspace software.
[04:21] <omglazers> Fixed.
[04:21] <omglazers> :)
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> awesome
[04:21] <omglazers> There was just a pair of files in it not working
[04:21] <omglazers> er, owned
[04:21] <cellofellow> ok then
[04:21] <cellofellow> I think a good default mode is 644
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> omglazers, you golden now?
[04:22] <cellofellow> so try chmod -R 644 /home/glenn
[04:22] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: golden
[04:22] <cellofellow> 644 = owner can read and write, group members and others can read.
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> now you can nuke the new user or use it as you wish
[04:23] <omglazers> yeesh
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> its a non-sudo user, so there is little it can do to hurt your box
[04:23] <omglazers> now I can't open files. I guess thunos is fked up
[04:23] <cellofellow> only users that you manually add to the admin group can use sudo
[04:23] <omglazers> I hate how I do this to myself :P
[04:24] <cellofellow> they probably have a mode that won't let you read it.
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> its a LEARNING experience!
[04:24] <cellofellow> also, you may need to set the group ownership. Set it to the users primary group.
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> thunar wont open?
[04:25] <omglazers> Well, I have a folder on the desktop that wont open
[04:25] <omglazers> Lemme see if I have ownership
[04:25] <cellofellow> ls -l
[04:26] <omglazers> yikes
[04:26] <omglazers> now I cant even open terminal!?
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, you know anything about wireless?
[04:26] <omglazers> Oy.
[04:26] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: nope. Always been using desktops.
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> =P
[04:27] <omglazers> damnit.
[04:27] <omglazers> I think ill just reinstall xubuntu. This is why my main files always belong on different physical drives.
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> getting ready to do a system re-install?
[04:27] <omglazers> It would just be quicker
[04:27] <cellofellow> omglazers: that isn't good. Can you get to a Virtual Terminal? (a plain Linux console?) ctrl+alt+F[1-6] 
[04:27] <cellofellow> F7 to get back too gui
[04:28] <omglazers> cellofellow: Yea, I can get to ttys
[04:28] <cellofellow> ok
[04:28] <cellofellow> but no pts's?
[04:28] <omglazers> Im just going to reinstall. I screwed this up on a silly mistake
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:28] <cellofellow> I'll have to admit it's odd.
[04:28] <cellofellow> vidd is mr reinstall.
[04:29] <omglazers> haha
[04:29] <cellofellow> all the times I've reinstalled have been after doing something weird with dd or the like.
[04:29] <omglazers> oh well
[04:29] <omglazers> linux is so easy to reinstall
[04:29] <omglazers> its just quicker sometimes
[04:29] <cellofellow> I think this is reinstall number 3. Been all set for months.
[04:30] <cellofellow> you have a separate /home partition?
[04:30] <cellofellow> quick and simple. Alt-cd rocks.
[04:30] <cellofellow> actually, I've used Debian Installer more often than alt-cd, but same thing really.
[04:31] <omglazers> Is there an alt cd of xubuntu quicker than the live-cd version?
[04:31] <omglazers> cellofellow: I have three physical drives and I just keep important data on those.
[04:32] <cellofellow> I didn't install my system from this DVD I have, but I added it to the repo list anyways. Much quicker for packages.
[04:32] <cellofellow> yeah
[04:32] <omglazers> cellofellow: my setup used to be 1 windows 2 data and now its just linux/windows
[04:32] <omglazers> I prefer to keep my data FAR FAR FAR FAR away form disks that have windows on them
[04:32] <cellofellow> The Xubuntu Alternative CD has the Debian Installer instead of the graphical Ubiquity.
[04:32] <omglazers> Doesnt it have to download stuff though during install?
[04:32] <cellofellow> I have 3 disks. /, /home, and /media/little-disk for extra stuff.
[04:33] <omglazers> I'd do that except for my mobo needing a driver to be installed
[04:33] <cellofellow> not like Debian Net-Install, no. After the install it will run a security upgrade.
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> your mobo needs a driver? for what?
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> thats insane
[04:34] <ffxr> rtite nite fellas : D
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> l8r ffxr
[04:34] <cellofellow> I've been thinking of putting little-disk in my server, but I don't know if that little pentium can handle a 10GB disk. It handles a 1.5GB drive OK.
[04:36] <vidd_laptop> anyone here know about madwifi?
[04:36] <omglazers> sorry
[04:36] <omglazers> the ehternet
[04:36] <omglazers> *ethernet
[04:36] <omglazers> I tried running debian before
[04:36] <omglazers> but w/o a driver
[04:36] <cellofellow> I think all you have to do is install it and then atheros works.
[04:36] <omglazers> I couldnt use the alt
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> you need a driver for your ethernet card?
[04:37] <omglazers> its onboard
[04:37] <cellofellow> what sort of cheapskate mobo do you have?
[04:37] <omglazers> and yes I do
[04:37] <omglazers> Gigabyte S3
[04:37] <omglazers> 965 Intel ICH8 Chipset
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> alt cd will detect that.....
[04:37] <omglazers> Yes
[04:37] <omglazers> It did
[04:37] <omglazers> Except.
[04:37] <omglazers> It needs a different driver
[04:38] <omglazers> For some STUPID reason
[04:38] <omglazers> TRUST me I know its dumb.
[04:38] <cellofellow> when I net-installed my Debian server, it took me forever to find an ethernet driver. Luckily one was there on the drivers floppy, but it didn't autodetect.
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> i used that board
[04:38] <omglazers> debian, gentoo, ubuntu 6.10, 6.06, kubuntu 6.10, xubuntu 6.10
[04:38] <omglazers> slackware
[04:38] <omglazers> none of them detect it
[04:38] <omglazers> well, they might detect it
[04:38] <omglazers> like debian
[04:38] <omglazers> but they cant use it
[04:38] <omglazers> trust me its dumb as shit I know
[04:38] <cellofellow> alt cd will install offline.
[04:39] <omglazers> I was under the impression it needs to download stuff during install?
[04:39] <cellofellow> you can use a thumbdrive to transfer the driver over after the installation.
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> nope
[04:39] <omglazers> Yea, I know cello. Thats what ive been doing :P
[04:39] <omglazers> So then whats the point of an alt? Just even less stuff included?
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> no...runs faster
[04:39] <omglazers> like, it lets you get your packages on your own?
[04:39] <omglazers> Oh.
[04:39] <omglazers> Because it doesnt have a live
[04:40] <omglazers> Hm, wanna link me? maybe ill get it :)
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> no reason to load the OS if you KNOW your going to install it
[04:40] <omglazers> haha yea
[04:40] <omglazers> I always hated that
[04:40] <mayday_jay> xubuntu-devel
[04:41] <cellofellow> it uses a modified Debian installer, and just uses apt to copy all the packages on the disk to the drive, and does some basic set up.
[04:41] <cellofellow> on reboot you're graphical.
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> and it gives you some choises about WHAT you want to install
[04:42] <cellofellow> and it tries to run a normal security update from the internet.
[04:42] <cellofellow> not as much as debian. after it installs the base system you are presented with aptitude and you can install ANYTHING or NOTHING.
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> like server install, command-line only, OEM install
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> all kinds of NEAT stuff you will (most likely) never use
[04:43] <omglazers> Sounds awesome
[04:43] <omglazers> I should grab it
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> vidd_laptop: You can do minimal installs on Ubuntu too.  (actually, I'm building a customized OEM minimal+some right now for some PII machines)
[04:43] <omglazers> For future nuke-ings
[04:43] <cellofellow> brb
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> yes...you sould
[04:43] <omglazers> vidd_laptop: google: xubuntu alt cd ?
[04:43] <omglazers> tonyyarusso: its also about avoiding the livecd
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> no....
[04:43] <omglazers> Where is it then?
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> omglazers: I've never used a Live CD to install my systems
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> !alternate
[04:44] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> http://xubuntu.org/get#edgy
[04:44] <omglazers> Ohh darnit
[04:44] <omglazers> Its at the bottom
[04:44] <omglazers> Of course
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> tonyyarusso, you can do a minimum install on a live cd?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> vidd_laptop: No, it's an option on the alternate
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> yer statement confuses me then.....
[04:46] <cellofellow> why?
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> cuzz we were saying about what the alt cd does, and he says about doing minimuns on what i thought was the live....
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> but going back i see he meant the ubuntu alt cd
[04:48] <cellofellow> :)
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> I never really trusted / liked the live one anyway, for installations
[04:48] <cellofellow> The DVD does all.
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> wecant ALL have DVD burners!
[04:49] <cellofellow> I don't. I got one from a friend who subscribes to Linux Magazine.
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> got a friend who can burn a copy?
[04:51] <cellofellow> yeah, but I think it'd be cheaper if you were to buy one from Canonical. (They don't ship free DVD's like they do CD's, but they still ship. Quicker too, cause you can order from a US station.)
[04:52] <vidd_laptop> but do they do Xubuntu?
[04:52] <cellofellow> I don't know.
[04:52] <cellofellow> prolly not
[04:52] <vidd_laptop> or is it an all distro's in one?
[04:52] <cellofellow> my dvd is ubuntu.
[04:52] <cellofellow> no kde or xfce.
[04:52] <vidd_laptop> *shutter*
[04:52] <cellofellow> I suppose they could make an all-buntu DVD if they wanted too.
[04:53] <cellofellow> but instead they add a bunch of other stuff.
[04:53] <vidd_laptop> someone get Mark on the line!!!!
[04:53] <vidd_laptop> what kind of BS they put on it?
[04:53] <cellofellow> about all of the main repo.
[04:54] <cellofellow> no universe
[04:54] <cellofellow> but about 9 out of ten things I install that happen to be in main come off of it.
[04:54] <cellofellow> I don't use main often.
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> on a completely different track.......
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> i cant get this ^&%$R%$ wireless card to work (again!)
[04:56] <cellofellow> tried the forums?
[04:58] <Eagle_101> mmm
[04:58] <Eagle_101> !wireless
[04:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:58] <Eagle_101> you try that?
[04:58] <Eagle_101> thats about the extent of my knowledge ;)
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> Eagle_101, of course...always the first step
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, 7 views, no replys
[05:00] <cellofellow> :(
[05:01] <cellofellow> how about searching them? Linuxquestions.org too?
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> ive been on google since last night
[05:02] <cellofellow> madwifi works, or it wouldn't still exist.
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> is it in the repo's?
[05:03] <cellofellow> multiverse
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> i didnt see it
[05:03] <cellofellow> !madwifi
[05:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:03] <cellofellow> or not
[05:03] <cellofellow> !info madwifi
[05:03] <ubotu> Package madwifi does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:03] <cellofellow> umm
[05:04] <cellofellow> maybe medibuntu
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> ok...so im NOT cross-eyed or blind!
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> ???
[05:04] <cellofellow> I guess not.
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> medibuntu???
[05:05] <cellofellow> nope, not medibuntu
[05:05] <cellofellow> it's PLF Ubuntu reborn.
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> oooooookkkkkkkay
[05:06] <cellofellow> w32codecs, skype, googleearth.
[05:06] <cellofellow> some other things
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> ah...all the good stuff banned in the USA
[05:07] <cellofellow> yup. libdvdcss too
[05:07] <crimsun> except neither skype nor google earth are "banned in the USA"
[05:07] <vidd_laptop> auwesome
[05:08] <cellofellow> true. They're just not in multiverse
[05:08] <cellofellow> for some reason.
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> crimsun, i stand corrected
[05:08] <crimsun> that "some reason" is that they're not open source.
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> google earth is NOT open sourse?
[05:09] <cellofellow> stuff in multiverse is non-free right?
[05:09] <cellofellow> !multiverse
[05:09] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[05:09] <crimsun> cellofellow: for values of "non-free", yes
[05:09] <crimsun> essentially it means we don't have permission to freely distribute versions that we modify
[05:09] <cellofellow> so, Skype and Google Earth are too non-free to be even non-free?
[05:09] <cellofellow> ok.
[05:09] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:10] <omglazers> Uhhh
[05:10] <omglazers> Wait
[05:10] <omglazers> I thought those were free
[05:10] <posingaspopular> is anyone up for helping me install flash on this live cd? i downloaded the tar.gz and extracted it but it wont run in the shell or terminal even though its supposed to be a shell script. the documentation is making me go crazy. help?
[05:10] <omglazers> well, not skype; to use
[05:10] <omglazers> I just thought it would be in multi b/c they're copywrited
[05:10] <omglazers> Err, sorry. I came in late to that convo :P
[05:10] <crimsun> if they're not DFSG-Free, they can't be in universe
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> omglazers, yes...that DEFINES non-free
[05:11] <cellofellow> then they get put in multiverse.
[05:11] <omglazers> I never even HEARD of the word non-free
[05:11] <crimsun> so either they wind up in multiverse if they can be distributed, or they end up being rejected from Ubuntu period if we can't freely distribute our modifications
[05:11] <cellofellow> and then what makes it so they aren't in multiverse?
[05:11] <cellofellow> if they're closed source, what modifications can you make?
[05:11] <vidd_laptop> we can modify and redistribute?
[05:11] <vidd_laptop> *cant
[05:12] <crimsun> if they're closed source, we can't modify the source period, which obviates being in Ubuntu
[05:12] <crimsun> note, however, that it doesn't preclude release-commercial
[05:12] <crimsun> (cf. opera)
[05:12] <cellofellow> so, stuff in multiverse is still open source, it's just not free by Debian/Ubuntu's standards?
[05:12] <cellofellow> like mplayer?
[05:13] <crimsun> mplayer is deemed DFSG-Free
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> DFSG?
[05:13] <crimsun> it could be promoted to universe, but then it would be neutered in terms of functionality
[05:13] <cellofellow> well, a bunch of extra libs for mplayer are in multiverse.
[05:13] <cellofellow> ok
[05:13] <crimsun> mplayer currently remains in multiverse so it can be built with said functionality
[05:13] <cellofellow> patents, not closed code?
[05:14] <crimsun> patent-encumbered, generally
[05:14] <cellofellow> like lame?
[05:14] <crimsun> yes
[05:14] <cellofellow> ok
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> now im getting a headache
[05:14] <crimsun> vidd_laptop: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
[05:14] <cellofellow> now, someone had a question about flash? (a non-free software.)
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> he wanted to run it on a live cd
[05:15] <cellofellow> how strictly does Ubuntu follow the Debian contract thingy? I know we still use Firefox instead of Iceweasel.
[05:15] <crimsun> cellofellow: we have exceptions for usability reasons, generally
[05:15] <cellofellow> ok
[05:16] <cellofellow> I'd love to see that FOSS Nvidia driver project actually come to something. Here I have a "tainted" kernel.
[05:16] <crimsun> noveau will eventually.
[05:17] <cellofellow> well, a driver that lets me use AIGLX *and* OpenGL at the same time a TNT2 will be good. With nvidia-legacy I have to choose one or the other.
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> it would also be nice if broadcom would release the code for thier bcm43xx series devices....
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> since they dont support them anymore
[05:18] <crimsun> vote with your wallet.
[05:18] <cellofellow> how do you vote with your wallet on unsupported devices?
[05:19] <crimsun> you purchase devices that run on fully open source drivers.
[05:19] <cellofellow> oh. ok
[05:19] <cellofellow> I need a list of supported wifi and graphics chipsets.
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> if i can find a wifi modual for a compaq presario 2200 that is linux friendly...i'll buy 2
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> ive had more issues with it then i care to count
[05:21] <cellofellow> I've had no luck with this old Lynksis WPC11v3. My dad's Dell's wireless worked out of the box with Kubuntu and Wireless Assistant. GNOME's thing in Ubuntu didn't though. I tried WiFi radar but I couldn't get it to let me enter my WEP key. And all LiveCD/DVD too.
[05:21] <cellofellow> All live. Never ran linux installed on a laptop.
[05:22] <vidd_laptop> i REALLY hope Dellbreaks the M$ barrier
[05:22] <cellofellow> they don't want to, but IdeaStorm sure wants them to.
[05:22] <vidd_laptop> i dont think they would be able to handle the demand
[05:22] <cellofellow> they sort of didn't know what they were getting in to I think and it caught them by surprise.
[05:23] <crimsun> feisty has an improved network-manager
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> could have fooled me.......
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> it LOOKS better
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> but i dont see any improved functionality
[05:24] <cellofellow> well, I think it would be really nice if you had more options than just Windows this, Windows that.
[05:24] <cellofellow> on Dell
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> heck...on anything
[05:24] <cellofellow> And they don't ALWAYS have to "Recommend Windows Vista Ultimate" or whatever.
[05:25] <cellofellow> Like on the budget PC page it'd say "Dell Recommends Ubuntu Feisty Fawn with Extras".
[05:25] <cellofellow> lol
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> they could say SUSE and i'd consider sliding my plastic in thier direction
[05:26] <cellofellow> On more expensive PC's, Dell would want to get some dough so they'd say "Dell Recommends Novell SLED 10", a commercial distro.
[05:27] <omglazers> I think there is a future of linux on desktops, but only if they can make it unbreakable by stupid people
[05:27] <omglazers> or at least, unbreakable in the ways that linux can be busted beyond repair of a normal schmo
[05:27] <cellofellow> Well, most people won't do whatever it is you did.
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> linux IS unbreakable.....
[05:27] <cellofellow> well, mostly.
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> just "highly configurable"
[05:28] <cellofellow> don't ever do `sudo dd if=/home/josh/floppy-image.img of=/dev/hda`
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> just cuzz you didnt LIKE your configuration.....
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:28] <cellofellow> I meant to do fd0.
[05:28] <omglazers> :P
[05:28] <omglazers> linux is unbreakable
[05:28] <omglazers> Just
[05:28] <omglazers> overly configureable
[05:29] <omglazers> windows is limited, and easily broken.
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> just add the internet!
[05:29] <omglazers> if they can make a limited windows-like linux that doesnt crash like window
[05:29] <omglazers> s
[05:29] <cellofellow> well, I expect if Dell does do Linux, the main distros on board will be SLED, OpenSUSE, Linspire, Freespire, Ubuntu, and Fedora.
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> they will go with ONE distro.....
[05:30] <omglazers> Of course
[05:30] <omglazers> It'll be ubuntu probably. That or suse
[05:30] <cellofellow> In order of friendliness: Linspire, Freespire, SLED, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Fedora.
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> most likely SUSE....cuzz of the micro-pact
[05:30] <cellofellow> They already did something with SUSE.
[05:30] <omglazers> Probably novell just to avoid micro
[05:30] <omglazers> damnit
[05:30] <omglazers> You beat me to it :P
[05:31] <cellofellow> But NOT a preinstall deal. It was a support certification that says "This box now has a 'Works with SUSE sticker'" deal.
[05:31] <omglazers> Oh boy.
[05:31] <omglazers> That really helped im sure :\
[05:31] <omglazers> Most people who are hardcore linux users can probably build their own boxes anyways
[05:31] <cellofellow> baby steps I suppose. This was just last week.
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> ???
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> shoot me a link...i missed that
[05:31] <cellofellow> ummm
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> how do you read your dmesg?
[05:35] <cellofellow> dmesg | grep something
[05:35] <cellofellow> I use Google Reader for RSS.
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> does dmesg go old to new or new to old?
[05:36] <cellofellow> It appends things to the end. You can use dmesg | tail to read the latest.
[05:39] <cellofellow> no dice. Can't find the Dell-Novell Certification baby-step story.
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> does dmesg clear itself on reboot?
[05:40] <cellofellow> no, I don't think so.
[05:42] <crimsun> (uh, yes)
[05:42] <crimsun> the log file itself doesn't clear, no; it's rotated
[05:42] <cellofellow> ok, shows how much I know about it
[05:42] <crimsun> the kernel ring buffer, however, is cleared
[05:43] <cellofellow> kernel ring buffer? what the heck?
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> i dont understand why i cant get this wireless card to see my router
[05:44] <crimsun> cellofellow: kernel messages are dumped into a ring buffer. That's what you're seeing via dmesg.
[05:44] <cellofellow> what sort of encryption is on the AP? WPA? WEP?
[05:44] <cellofellow> ok
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> wep
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> and only wep
[05:45] <cellofellow> I have WEP and MAC Address control.
[05:46] <cellofellow> but still, only Windows clients.
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> crimsun, what did they do to the network-admin besides make it look cooler?
[05:49] <crimsun> better support for static (though some attest it's still flaky); wep/wpa[2]  work better
[05:49] <crimsun> essentially, n-m works well for certain networks on certain wifi chipsets
[05:50] <crimsun> it works well on this ipw2195abg (driven by ipw2200)
[05:50] <crimsun> some people attest to it working tolerably on atheros ones
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> im stuck with a BCM4306
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> =[
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> i dont suppose YOU know where i should look to get this card to see my ap?
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> should i install n-m?
[05:54] <cellofellow> what'v you been using?
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> network-admin and CLI
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> i installed n-m....how do i run it?
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> =\
[05:56] <cellofellow> what about wifi-radar?
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> wifi radar does not show my network
[06:02] <cellofellow> :(
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> still nothing
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> am i here?
[06:18] <barata> any xfce guru?  ---- my Alt-F2 only stays for a second then it kills itself .... WHY?
[06:19] <crimsun> sacrifice a goat. Or two.
[06:20] <barata> too bad .... mine is not an Islamic xfce rat .... it doesnt like goat
[06:20] <barata> is yours an Islamic rat?
[06:22] <posingaspopular> ,,, sarcifcing is more a pagan idea than an ismalic idea. self sacrifice, martyrdom maybe, but thats more the later part of the koran (howvever you want to spell it). just a thought. no real idea about the problem though
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> barata, what version you running?
[06:23] <vidd_laptop> (no clue...jst a servey)
[06:23] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[06:23] <barata> should be the latest ... let me -v that
[06:23] <barata> xfce4
[06:23] <barata> ubuntu
[06:23] <barata> I mean not xubuntu
[06:24] <barata> do you have any clue?
[06:24] <vidd_laptop> are you running dapper, edgy, fiesty?
[06:24] <barata> 2.6.15
[06:24] <dredhammer> hello can anyone tell me where i can find a deb for vlc 0.8.6a?
[06:25] <vidd_laptop> sounds like dapper
[06:25] <barata> 6.0.6 --- I dont know what's the name
[06:25] <dredhammer> for edgy
[06:25] <barata> dapper I guess?
[06:25] <vidd_laptop> barata, yeah....sounds like dapper
[06:25] <barata> ok ... what controls Alt-F2?
[06:26] <barata> how can I fix that?
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> nothing that i know of "runs" the run command
[06:26] <barata> the point is it does run ... but it doesnt stay long enough for me to type in something
[06:27] <barata> it just flashes for a second then kills itself
[06:27] <barata> is there any sort of timer stuff in it?
[06:27] <vidd_laptop> the app is xfrun4
[06:27] <barata> even without anything running it's already like that
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> check your process manager to see if you have an instance of xfrun4 running
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> if you do, kill it and see if that fixes your problem
[06:29] <barata> nope
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> that is my only idea,,,,,
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> you might try to uninstall and reinstall it
[06:30] <barata> yes, but reinstall what? the whole thing?
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> it WILL take out xubuntu-desktop...but you dont need that
[06:30] <barata> tell me the xfce folders under /home/xxx
[06:30] <barata> I'll just isolate them first
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get uninstall xfrun4
[06:31] <barata> what are  the xfce folders under /home/xxx
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get remove xfrun4
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> (sorry)
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> then sudo apt-get install xfrun4
[06:32] <vidd_laptop> and that is it
[06:32] <barata> it doesnt find the package
[06:32] <vidd_laptop> ....
[06:32] <barata> it should be part of something bigger
[06:33] <vidd_laptop> i dont know what it is part of
[06:33] <barata> hmm ....
[06:33] <vidd_laptop> maybe bart of xfwm4
[06:34] <vidd_laptop> but that is your window manager
[06:34] <barata> none
[06:34] <barata> I usel all of them except ice
[06:34] <vidd_laptop> ?
[06:35] <vidd_laptop> xfrun4 should be part of the xfwm4
[06:35] <barata> hmmm .... all right, I'll fix it later ....
[06:35] <barata> the old hacking way ...:(
[06:35] <barata> bye
[06:39] <vidd_laptop> im off to bed
[07:14] <mark487> new monitor on my xubuntu box, but its resolutions don't show in "display prefs".
[07:14] <mark487> xubuntu doesn't probe new hardware?
[07:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, that's not really supported by xorg.
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They're working on improving that, but the new version of xorg that has somewhat decent support for what you're expecting is only being slowly merged into Feisty.
[07:16] <mark487> thanks.  so i manually probe for the new monitor?
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah.
[07:16] <mark487> modprobe or something like that?
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nah, that's for kernel modules.  `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[07:19] <mark487> thanks.  so that reconfigs everything or just the monitor?
[07:19] <mark487> and what does xserver-xorg signify?
[07:19] <j1mc> that's the . . . main graphical subsystem, for lack of a better word.
[07:21] <j1mc> mark487: it helps to know your monitor specs and type of graphics card before you start "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That will reconfigure everything, but it will also make a backup of the current configuration, in case there's anything you want to merge.  (Also in case it fails.)
[07:22] <mark487> thanks.  so reconfigging will prompt me for models/specs/chipsets?
[07:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It will ask for keyboard layout, mouse type, video driver, various monitor specs (e.g refresh, resolution), and that's about it.
[07:25] <meborc> if you don't know the answer to all of the Q, just leave the default one :)
[07:26] <j1mc> meborc and mark487 . . . meborc is right, you oftentimes just select the default choices, but selecting the right graphics driver and setting your monitor specs correctly is pretty important.
[07:26] <j1mc> . . . are pretty important.  :)
[07:26] <mark487> thanks again.  i know my monitor specs, and the graphics are onboard, intel i810 I seem to recall.  Er, how can i verify this?
[07:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Read the product description. :)
[07:28] <meborc> jlmc - you are correct... i reffered to the questions like keyboard modules and etc...
[07:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (lspci |grep -i vga)
[07:29] <j1mc> PuMpErNiCkLe: nice!  :)  thanks
[07:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> o.O
[07:29] <j1mc> thanks for helping w/ that command.  :)
[07:29] <BFTD> I like pumpernickel bagels
[07:32] <mark487> hmmm, will lspci only display info about pci buses?  my video is onboard
[07:32] <mark487> i'll try it anyway, nice to learn, thanks
[07:33] <BFTD> mark487 yeah it should show onboard video
[07:33] <meborc> it does for my SIS crappy card
[07:34] <mark487> ya, it showed it.
[07:34] <mark487> very cool how lspci displays hardware info....  8-)
[07:34] <BFTD> you should look at "cat /proc/cpuino" and "cat /proc/memino"
[07:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> lspci shows devices handled by the pci subsystem, not necessarily what's only on a pci bus.
[07:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> By contrast, there's lsusb.
[07:37] <meborc> hmm... true... but i have never seen a USB graphic card
[07:38] <meborc> although it would be cool to carry around your own nvidia/ati card like a USB stick
[07:39] <meborc> it would be slow as hell though
[07:39] <meborc> :D
[07:41] <mark487> sweeeet.  (the /proc/cpuinfo & /proc/meminfo)
[07:41] <mark487> i'd seen this info in DSL's stats, but didn't know where the info was accessed from
[07:42] <luis1234> hi
[07:43] <meborc> morning
[07:43] <luis1234> how do I get a Wlan manager under xfce<
[07:43] <luis1234> ?
[07:43] <luis1234> Lan works fine but I can not connect to open Wlan.
[07:44] <meborc> can't help you there... i have a prism3 card and its a pain to set up in any interface :(
[07:44] <meborc> you have your card recognized?
[07:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> wifi-radar comes highly recommended, but that's all I can offer.
[07:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info wifi-radar
[07:45] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[07:46] <luis1234> yes, I think so because it appears in system/networking
[07:46] <luis1234> ok thanks
[07:47] <j1mc> i like using "sudo iwlist scan"
[07:47] <j1mc> that helps to find all available wireless networks . . .
[07:48] <j1mc> !iwlist
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iwlist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <luis1234> oops
[07:50] <luis1234> eth1 is supposed to be mz wifi card but sg is wrong with it.
[07:50] <luis1234> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
[07:52] <meborc> try iwconfig
[07:52] <luis1234> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:""  Nickname:"Broadcom 4318"
[07:52] <luis1234>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Invalid
[07:52] <luis1234>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[07:52] <luis1234>           Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
[07:52] <luis1234>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[07:52] <luis1234>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[07:53] <luis1234> ok, iwconfig has shown my wifi card / broadcom 4318
[07:53] <meborc> so i guess its the eth1 :)
[07:53] <luis1234> what now?
[07:53] <meborc> now you only need to read some how-to's hw to get your broadcom to work
[07:53] <luis1234> thanks
[07:54] <meborc> which ubuntu version are you using?
[07:54] <luis1234> xubuntu
[07:54] <luis1234> xfce 4
[07:54] <Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4
[07:55] <luis1234> it is on a USB drive
[07:55] <luis1234> works fine but no wifi
[07:56] <meborc> i mean edgy or feisty or dapper or breezy or hoary or warty
[07:56] <meborc> :)
[07:56] <luis1234> edgy
[07:56] <meborc> ok
[07:56] <meborc> i guess you need to use ndiswrapper... i'm not sure though
[07:56] <meborc> !info ndiswrapper
[07:56] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:57] <meborc> hmm...
[07:57] <luis1234> should I download from sorceforge or similar?
[07:57] <meborc> there is a good how-to in wiki
[07:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Stick with the repository as much as possible.
[07:57] <meborc> i'll try to find
[07:57] <luis1234> thax
[07:57] <luis1234> thanx
[07:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Sourceforge is a good second, but the repos are almost always preferable.
[07:58] <meborc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?action=show&redirect=SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:58] <meborc> try that
[07:58] <meborc> that is what you need
[07:59] <luis1234> ok, I try
[07:59] <meborc> your wifi card :)
[07:59] <luis1234> thanx again
[07:59] <meborc> no prob
[08:09] <MaxTHeMan36> cool i'm a terrible n00b... I'm having trouble connecting to the internet
[08:10] <posingaspopular> MaxTHeMan36: welcome, you're on the internet!
[08:10] <posingaspopular> whats the issue?
[08:11] <MaxTHeMan36> i'm on a differnt comp... heh
[08:11] <posingaspopular> i figured as much...
[08:11] <posingaspopular> wired or wireless?
[08:11] <MaxTHeMan36> wired
[08:11] <MaxTHeMan36> i cant get connect
[08:11] <MaxTHeMan36> ed
[08:12] <posingaspopular> hmm what did you try?
[08:13] <MaxTHeMan36> i tried looking at network
[08:13] <MaxTHeMan36> seeing that card
[08:13] <MaxTHeMan36> clicking enable then automatic config
[08:14] <MaxTHeMan36> nothing doin
[08:15] <posingaspopular> ah
[08:15] <posingaspopular> type this
[08:15] <posingaspopular> sudo pppoeconf
[08:15] <posingaspopular> and see what happens
[08:25] <posingaspopular> MaxTHeMan36: youthere?
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> hello, i got a guestion i am fine tuning my xubuntu installation and got a list of modules I dont need and that i have removed with the rmmod tool
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> I did a update-modules
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> but they are still loaded during bootup
[10:39] <tuxcrafter> what is the correct way to disable them
[10:45] <tuxcrafter> Hello, i got a question i am fine tuning my xubuntu installation and got a list of modules I don't need and that i have removed with the rmmod tool.  I did a update-modules but they are still loaded during boot-up, what is the correct way to disable them?
[10:49] <posingaspopular> tuxcrafter: sorry im not help :(
[01:52] <SkippyX> I'm in the middle of d/ling the xubuntu alternate install disk to install on an old lappy (dell 300 MHz, 96 megs, 30 gig hdd). Now - is it like ubuntu in that I can run it as a live disk? Or is it simply an install disk?
[02:02] <TheSheep> SkippyX: alternate is just an install disk
[02:04] <SkippyX> Hmm. OK. Well, I was planning on installing some "lite" linux distro on it - may as well be xubuntu. i'm already running ubuntu @ the house, and xubuntu gives me "apt"
[02:05] <SkippyX> What is the difference between the alternate and the regular xubuntu disc?
[02:09] <TheSheep> SkippyX: the regular is a livecd with a graphical installer in it
[02:10] <TheSheep> SkippyX: it requires at least 128MB ram to run at all, and at least 192MB ram to run the installer
[02:10] <TheSheep> SkippyX: the alternate cd is a text-mode installer alone
[02:10] <TheSheep> SkippyX: it will work with 64MB or even less
[02:10] <SkippyX> whoa.....text? ncurses?
[02:10] <TheSheep> SkippyX: framebuffer actaully, but looks like text
[02:11] <TheSheep> SkippyX: something like NortonCommander
[02:13] <SkippyX> Ah. I've never used nortoncommander. I've never done a text-based install.
[02:13] <SkippyX> flying w/out the gui.....should be interesting.
[02:14] <TheSheep> it is GUI, juzt text-based
[02:14] <TheSheep> not command line or anything like that
[02:14] <TheSheep> you still have menus and buttons, etc.
[02:17] <SkippyX> Ok - that makes me feel better about it. I was thinking "there's a reason I didn't go w/ gentoo"
[02:19] <TheSheep> SkippyX: actually it's best to try out several ones and then pick -- judging just by the installer is a bad idea
[02:20] <SkippyX> TheSheep, Oh - I know. I was torn between puppy linux and xubuntu. I settled on xubuntu because I'm already running ubuntu, and both are debian-based  - which gives me apt.
[02:20] <SkippyX> The repos rock.
[03:17] <hyper_ch> hmmm, why do I have to do dist-upgrade on feisty to update OOo?
[03:18] <gpocentek> because it depends on new packages I think
[03:19] <hyper_ch> the only one outside OOo is python.uno
[03:20] <Qew> umm... is OpenOffice going to be an official part of Xubuntu with Feisty or is it still Abiword? Hope it ain't.
[03:20] <hyper_ch> Qew: which one do you hope won't be an official par?
[03:21] <Qew> OpenOffice
[03:21] <hyper_ch> why not?
[03:21] <Qew> bloated and Abiword seems fine to me and less resource hungry. My machine could cope, but doesn't it sort of go against the spirit? Anyway, no big deal, it's just I'd prefer Abiword.
[03:22] <hyper_ch> oh well, I've written my master thesis with OOo
[03:22] <hyper_ch> I don't think Abiword would have been sufficient
[03:22] <Qew> OpenOffice is fine, and I have used it in the past, but just felt that Abiword fits with Xubuntu's philosophy.
[03:22] <Qew> yeah, it would have been
[03:23] <hyper_ch> and the philosophy is?
[03:23] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: LaTeX ftw
[03:23] <Qew> less resource hungry apps, less bloat, etc
[03:23] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: latex is to complicated for my simple mind :)
[03:23] <Qew> then again, the Xubuntu releases after Dapper now have Xchat instead of irssi, I believe. ;)
[03:23] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's not complicated at all
[03:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you just type what you need to be printed
[03:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and that's all
[03:24] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: too complicated :)
[03:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: wait, I've seen an online thesis generator somewhere
[03:25] <hyper_ch> TheSheep:  :)
[03:26] <hyper_ch> interesting, OOo 2.2 has changed in color now...
[03:29] <TheSheep> human theme, bleeeh
[03:29] <hyper_ch> bleeeh?
[03:29] <TheSheep> and they have just overwritten the Industrial theme, instead of making a new one
[03:30] <TheSheep> stupid.
[03:30] <hyper_ch> :)
[04:15] <chino> how many gigs do i need for a minimal install ?
[04:18] <hyper_ch> chino: http://www.xubuntu.org/get#requirements
[04:23] <chino> can director .exe will play on linux?
[04:32] <hyper_ch> chino: what?
[04:34] <chino> nevermind
[04:47] <Viper_iii> hello all....
[04:47] <Viper_iii> got a quick run down to figure out .... syslog-ng...  anyone used this before?
[04:47] <Viper_iii> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/syslog-ng.htm
[04:58] <tute666> b33r!
[05:18] <Perkabalo> hi! i'm trying to install a few xfwm4 themes, but they dont show up ? :(
[05:18] <TheSheep> Perkabalo: you don't have them on the list in "window manager settings"?
[05:19] <Perkabalo> nope, only show gtk2 based themes
[05:19] <TheSheep> Perkabalo: no, that's "user interface settings"
[05:19] <Perkabalo> oh
[05:20] <TheSheep> Perkabalo: xfce4 themes are for the window borders
[05:20] <Perkabalo> oh! thanks been trying for atleast an hour, lol
[05:21] <TheSheep> they should put a description in large print somewhere on xfcelook.org
[05:21] <Perkabalo> they sure should
[05:23] <Perkabalo> one more question, i can't mark files on my desktop, but while browsing in thunar i can?
[05:23] <TheSheep> you mean the selection of multiple files?
[05:23] <Perkabalo> exactly
[05:24] <TheSheep> the desktop is simple on purpose -- you can however hold down the shift or ctrl key and select several files
[05:24] <TheSheep> or open the Desktop folder in Thunar
[05:25] <TheSheep> they are planning to merge the desktop and Thunar in xfce 4.6, but it's a long way
[05:25] <TheSheep> 4.4 took over 2 years to make
[05:26] <Perkabalo> hmm ok so it's not possible to mark multiple files with the mouse then?
[05:26] <TheSheep> not on the desktop, no
[05:26] <Perkabalo> oh ok..
[05:27] <TheSheep> it's much worse -- even if you enable single-click launching of icons in Thunar, you still have to double-click the desktop icons :(
[05:28] <Perkabalo> geez, odd
[05:28] <TheSheep> it's because these are two separate applications
[05:29] <Perkabalo> ok i see
[05:29] <Kasplatt> I need to get TAP-drivers working
[05:31] <Viper_iii> anyone played with syslog-ng? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/syslog-ng.htm
[05:33] <Perkabalo> would it be possible to use nautilus instead of Thunar?
[05:35] <Kasplatt> I need to get TAP-drivers working.
[05:37] <Kasplatt> 08 16:36:14.083 [   0]   [ 5582]  tap: connect() failed 2 (No such file or directory)
[05:37] <Kasplatt> I get that whenever I try to run Hamachi
[06:01] <Sharn> !grub
[06:01] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:39] <mindframe> whats default root password?
[06:39] <TheSheep> mindframe: none
[06:39] <TheSheep> mindframe: I mean, a hash that is impossible to obtain from any password
[06:39] <TheSheep> mindframe: so it's not possible to log in as root with password
[06:40] <TheSheep> mindframe: use 'sudo' instead to run commands as root
[06:41] <TheSheep> mindframe: yuo can use 'sudo passwd' to set the root password
[06:41] <mindframe> k
[06:49] <gharz> guys... i've installed ubuntu... but i want to remove gnome and use xfce instead... how do i do that?
[06:49] <gharz> please help.
[06:49] <TheSheep> gharz: you don;t have to remove gnome, just install 'xubuntu-desktop' package and you will have a choice at the login screen
[06:50] <meborc> you can make xfce default and then just log in as normal
[06:50] <gharz> TheSheep, i want to free some space and i want xfce as my main window manager... i don't want other window manager except xfce...
[06:50] <TheSheep> gharz: just remove the things you don't use
[06:50] <meborc> then i would suggest backing everything up and make a clean xubuntu install
[06:51] <gharz> ic... TheSheep / meborc ... thanks for the info.
[06:51] <meborc> no prob
[06:51] <gharz> if i would like to install xfce... i'll just install xfce-desktop right?
[06:51] <TheSheep> gharz: yes
[06:52] <gharz> ok.... thanks!!!!
[06:52] <TheSheep> gharz: it will keep the ubuntu splash screen though
[06:52] <gharz> TheSheep, what can u suggest?
[06:53] <meborc> no
[06:53] <meborc> xubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <meborc> or is there a xfce-desktop?
[06:53] <TheSheep> ah, right, sorry
[06:53] <gharz> let me do that...
[06:53] <gharz> thanks!!!
[06:53] <meborc> so the correct way is "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[06:53] <meborc> :) have fun
[06:54] <gharz> not  apt-get xfce4?
[06:54] <gharz> apt-get install xfce4 rather?
[06:55] <meborc> well
[06:55] <TheSheep> gharz: that installs just the xfce4, xubunt-desktop installs the fulls set of apps from xubuntu
[06:55] <meborc> it depends what you need
[06:55] <meborc> <- correct :D
[06:55] <tuxcrafter> hello, i got a big problem here I got openoffice with sun java because i need the database functions to create a form with the form wizard of a table
[06:55] <meborc> so you would probably need more apps when you go with just xfce4
[06:55] <tuxcrafter> but this function is broken on my system
[06:55] <tuxcrafter> i tried everyting
[06:55] <tuxcrafter> to get it working
[06:56] <tuxcrafter> i installed en removed and installed these files:
[06:56] <tuxcrafter> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre openoffice.org openoffice.org-gtk myspell-nl language-support-nl
[06:56] <gharz> meborc, xfce4 consumes more disk space?
[06:56] <meborc> no
[06:57] <meborc> xubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <meborc> it is a metapackage to download all you need to have xubuntu
[06:57] <meborc> much more then just xfce4
[06:57] <gharz> meborc, what would u recommend? xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop?
[06:58] <meborc> what hardware do you have?
[06:58] <gharz> dell inspirom 510m intel 855g graphics card intel solo 2.0
[06:59] <meborc> so i guess you can afford 1-2 gig for xubuntu-desktop... i would go with that... then you don't have to download all the different programs one by one
[07:00] <gharz> meborc, ok. thanks for the info.
[07:00] <meborc> no problem... ok... off to party
[07:00] <meborc> :)
[07:15] <Viper_iii> humm.... I need to add a script to an init.d startup... after mysql... where would be a good documentation on that?  dealing with syslog-ng
[07:16] <TheSheep> Viper_iii: you can add it to rc.local or read up on sysv-init
[07:16] <Viper_iii> awesome will do that...  I might have a few questions but I'll do that first thx
[07:17] <TheSheep> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-boot-init-shutdown-sysv.html
[07:17] <TheSheep> it's a little different in ubuntu -- all user runlevels are the same
[07:53] <Athensman>  has anyone here had any problems installing XuBuntu???
[07:53] <MarkCh> problems like what?
[07:53] <Athensman> uhmm not installing
[07:54] <MarkCh> what errors do you get?
[07:54] <Athensman> no errors
[07:54] <Athensman> i put the live cd in
[07:55] <Athensman> and it seems to want to boot up
[07:55] <Athensman> but then the screen goes black and all i see is a blinking _
[07:56] <DawnLight_> hey, you're in good shape - mine isn't even blinking
[07:56] <Athensman> lol
[07:56] <DawnLight_> lol
[07:56] <Athensman> it will install in my other machine but not my older machine
[07:57] <DawnLight_> i just came in so onl cauht that line
[07:57] <DawnLight_> is it an installation problem?
[07:58] <Athensman> no idea
[07:58] <grazie> Athensman: what's your older machine?
[07:58] <Athensman> 366 celeron 256 ram win2kpro
[07:58] <grazie> Athensman: do you know what video card?
[07:59] <Athensman> it is on on board videocard
[07:59] <Athensman> stb velecity 128
[07:59] <grazie> Athensman: you're using the Desktop CD (Live CD)?
[07:59] <Athensman> i have tried both
[07:59] <Athensman> i have both of them
[08:00] <grazie> same problem with alternate?
[08:00] <Athensman> yes
[08:00] <Athensman> bu i tried the cd in another machine and it works fine
[08:00] <grazie> dunno...very odd
[08:01] <Athensman> is there anywhere else i can get help
[08:01] <grazie> Athensman: do you any other liver cds?
[08:01] <grazie> live*
[08:01] <Athensman> i have made 4
[08:01] <Athensman> none works
[08:02] <grazie> no. knoppiix or similar?
[08:02] <Athensman> all i have tried is xubuntu
[08:03] <grazie> knoppix is very good detecting and handling lots of different types of hardware....I'd give it go
[08:03] <Athensman> so what else shoul di try
[08:03] <Athensman> k
[08:03] <DawnLight_> good luck
[08:04] <grazie> if knoppix works, you'll find out a working hardware set up
[08:08] <DawnLight_> hello pretty people
[08:08] <Athensman> how good is knoppix
[08:08] <DawnLight_> i can use some help
[08:09] <sacarasc> just a double check, but xubuntu live supports ntfs reading?
[08:09] <grazie> Athensman: as a live cd knoppix is very good
[08:09] <Athensman> you can install it
[08:09] <Athensman> cant
[08:10] <DawnLight_> when i try to install after two minutes or so it makes one long beep and three short ones
[08:10] <grazie> Athensman: yes you can, but it using kde which is heavy
[08:10] <Athensman> dont understand
[08:11] <grazie> sacarasc: yes you can read ntfs with the live cd
[08:11] <DawnLight_> is the beeping a certain language?
[08:11] <sacarasc> ty
[08:11] <sacarasc> and bye
[08:11] <DawnLight_> does it try to tell me something?
[08:11] <Viper_iii> darnit... ran update-rc.d -f <scriptname> defaults and it kicked out ./scriptname  (wd: /<script path> but it won't let me do anything now... no cntrl C just blank but lets me do return and enter chars but nothing happens?
[08:11] <Athensman> cant be much more than win2kpro
[08:12] <grazie> Athensman: it's personal preferences...to the get the best performance froim an older machine xfce is a good choice
[08:13] <DawnLight_> ill try with alternate cd now
[08:13] <grazie> DawnLight_: what machine?
[08:14] <Viper_iii> Putty into anther session and all is fine.... wth... oh well just messed it up again... about par for me..
[08:15] <Athensman> so u think i should use XFCE
[08:17] <grazie> Athensman: it's your choice, but I'd recommend xfce myself for both old and new hardware
[08:18] <Athensman> should it run real good on my old machine
[08:18] <grazie> yes with 366 celeron and 256 ram
[08:19] <Athensman> ok i will try that
[08:21] <Athensman> can u give me a link to download it please
[09:33] <omglazers> Anyone know anything about GRUB Error 17: 'Cannot Mount Selected partition' ? It seems to be unable to mount a simple ext3 partition and I have NO clue why. Help, please :(
[09:49] <DawnLight> my installation is frozen at 83%
[09:49] <DawnLight> its an alternate
[09:50] <DawnLight> cd integrity checked out okay
[09:50] <DawnLight> and its the second time it happens at 83%
[09:50] <DawnLight> should i try another cd?
[09:51] <TheSheep> DawnLight: does it say "generating anthy dict"?
[09:51] <TheSheep> or something like that?
[09:51] <DawnLight> hold on...
[09:51] <DawnLight> no
[09:52] <DawnLight> it's installing the kernel
[09:52] <TheSheep> ah, then it probably is donloading a most recent version
[09:52] <DawnLight> "retrieving and installing linux-image-generic"
[09:52] <DawnLight> but i didnt configure the network
[09:53] <TheSheep> weird
[09:54] <DawnLight> hdd led not showing activity
[09:54] <DawnLight> neither does cd
[09:54] <TheSheep> DawnLight: press alt+f2 and in the console type "ps x"
[09:54] <DawnLight> hold on
[09:55] <DawnLight> it tells me to press enter
[09:55] <DawnLight> to activate this console
[09:55] <TheSheep> yes
[09:55] <TheSheep> do it
[09:56] <TheSheep> and then type 'ps x' and press enter again
[09:56] <TheSheep> it will give you a list of all processes running
[09:56] <TheSheep> it can give you an idea of what is happening
[09:58] <DawnLight> i see a list: first column is numbers, second is all "root" ...
[09:58] <TheSheep> yes, the last column gives the process command
[09:59] <TheSheep> the last 2 or 3 entries should be relevant
[10:00] <DawnLight> shall i tell you what they are?
[10:01] <TheSheep> we can try
[10:01] <TheSheep> you can try to kill one of them
[10:01] <TheSheep> type 'kill ' and then the number from the first column
[10:03] <DawnLight> the last is "ps x" (what i typed in i guess)
[10:03] <DawnLight> before that is "/usr/lib/apt/methods/cdrom
[10:04] <DawnLight> and before that is "apt-get -y --no-remove install linux-image-generic
[10:04] <TheSheep> ah, so it *is* trying to install the kernel
[10:04] <TheSheep> wonder why it can't
[10:05] <DawnLight> its trying from the cdrom right?
[10:06] <TheSheep> yes
[10:07] <DawnLight> any suggestions? should i surface check the HD?
[10:08] <DawnLight> should i check the cd again? or just burn another one?
[10:08] <DawnLight> could it be a compatibility problem?
[10:08] <TheSheep> DawnLight: type 'dmesg' and see if it has any suspicious messages at the end
[10:09] <DawnLight> i wouldnt know but hold on
[10:12] <DawnLight> uh oh, media error (bad sector), ide failed, etc....
[10:13] <DawnLight> so i guess a surface scan is appropriate now
[10:22] <K3nto> i am installing xubuntu on a Pentium 3 laptop with 128 mb of ram. i can get to the desktop and double click the install icon, but i only get and empty window. what can i do about this?
[10:22] <grazie> DawnLight: :( ... give the cd a clean, reboot and select check the cd from the menu. you may be lucky
[10:22] <grazie> K3nto: you should be using the alternate cd for installation on that machine...
[10:23] <DawnLight> doesn't it refer to the harddisk?
[10:23] <grazie> DawnLight: oh it could well be :(
[10:24] <DawnLight> i'll give it a try thanks
[10:26] <K3nto> grazie: theres nothing i could put after i press F6? i already have the Xubuntu cd ready to go, and our ISP limits out monthly usage to 10GB (up or down)
[10:26] <K3nto> our
[10:29] <grazie> K3nto: if you've downloaded the Desktop CD it will not install on that machine. The only alternate I can think of is a network install, but don't think you'll save much bandwidth.
[10:40] <DawnLight> can anyone recommend a utilities boot disk? i have UBCD 4.3 and it seems to be quite old now
[10:51] <grazie> i think everyone should have a copy of knoppix
[10:51] <R[a] ndom> slax
[10:59] <DawnLight> does knoppix have all the hard disk, memory, cpu testing, file system software and so on?
[10:59] <maxamillion> DawnLight: it has alot of it