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toma1  10 of 1366 results and no way to search?12:16
tomaor to change the amount per page12:17
tomaso i need to search 136 for a string that might not be there ;-)12:17
Riddellyou could grep the .po files12:18
tomaah, export12:19
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Riddelltoma: or apy-get source language-pack-nl-base12:20
tomathnxs12:20
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Riddellhmm, what in main build-deps on cmake?12:49
nixternalRiddell: I am getting ready to freeze Kubuntu docs. So I will have a package in a bit for you12:59
nixternalis LP even open for translations yet?12:59
Riddellnixternal: I'll be asleep :)12:59
nixternalhehe12:59
Riddellnixternal: they're important, about half done I believe12:59
Riddellno12:59
Riddellnixternal: they're importing, about half done I believe12:59
nixternalroger12:59
nixternalheh, I didn't get the important, importing I get :)12:59
nixternalcool. so I have a few to tweak a little bit then01:00
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jjesseeverytime i try to upgrade from edgy to feisty adept_updater crashes01:16
manchickenOoh, fun.01:16
jjesseit crashes on the download of the packageds01:16
manchickenAre you using the upgrade tool?01:16
jjessetrying to01:16
manchickenWeird.01:16
jjesseboth adept_updater and also the upgrade tool crash during the download of the packages01:16
jjesseafter about 2 hours01:17
manchickenNice quick testing goes into that it seems.  heh01:17
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Riddelljjesse: adept from where?01:21
jjesseRiddell: i'm downloading from the us mirror01:21
jjesseand it starts to download and about 2 hours of downloading the packagtes adept will crash01:22
jjesseboth the upgrader which is a great tool and adept_updater do the same thing01:22
Riddellwah01:23
jjessesorry i didn't save the output of the crash01:23
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Riddellfingers crossed it'll be in the archive by the time I wake up and I'll test it again01:33
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Riddellfreeflying: qt 3.3.8 is in feisty, if you are able to test it for scim that would be great01:54
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jjessedownloading package 339 out of 700 and some :(02:45
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yuriy_there's a bug against kde4libs...03:07
yuriy_an apport one03:07
yuriy_can such things just be rejected?03:07
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crimsunyuriy_: we're actually discussing that (kde4 UVF exception)03:13
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yuriy_crimsun: this is a crash report03:15
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crimsunmy inclination would be to reject it, but it may be useful to upstream03:16
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crimsunthat's one of the problems with having a snapshot package in a release03:16
crimsunif you have time, see if it has been reported upstream already03:17
yuriy_maybe i should ask if they want bugs/crashes in kde4. i imagine they are not particularly useful there either considering everything is constantly being worked on03:17
=== Hobbsee waves
yuriy_hey Hobbsee!03:18
yuriy_Hobbsee: happy women's day!03:18
Hobbseehey yuriy_!03:18
Hobbseeyuriy_: :D03:18
yuriy_(sorry if my timezone is off)03:18
Hobbseeit's fine03:18
crimsunhappy women's day to me, too!03:18
crimsunoh wait..03:18
Jucatohi Hobbsee!03:19
Hobbseehey Jucato!03:20
Hobbseecrimsun: heh03:20
jjessehiya Hobbsee03:20
Hobbseehey jjesse!03:21
jjessehow are you ?03:21
ajmitchhello Hobbsee03:22
Hobbseehi ajmitch03:23
Hobbseejjesse: good!03:23
=== Hobbsee wonders if there's a kubuntu bugs mailing list somewhere
yuriy_Hobbsee: there is!03:32
Hobbseekubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com it appears03:32
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Jucatothere is? wow03:33
yuriy_crimsun: hmm i'm not so sure these are kde4 bugs actually, could apport be getting confused? or are the reporters confused...03:33
yuriy_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bugs03:33
yuriy_the last one is legit, the others have comments like "don't know what's the problem, i've just lanched kde as ususally"03:34
crimsunreject them all.03:35
crimsunthose kde4 snaps are for edgy, not feisty.03:36
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crimsunhe needs to at least reproduce them on currenty edgy _not_ feisty03:36
crimsunthere are far too many variables to account for differences between edgy and feisty without worrying about actual kde4 snapshot bugs03:36
yuriy_crimsun: well actually there are snaps in feisty universe. but yeah i'm rejecting them all.03:37
yuriy_oh the one with that description has a comment that he did install it03:38
yuriy_i was thinking how did he not realize?03:38
Hobbseecrimsun: how do the launchpad addresses validate?  ie, when i upload a package, with hobbsee@u.c in the changelog, will it still recognise it as the hobbsee on lp, without the hobbsee@u.c being my primary mail?03:45
Hobbseeor do they do it with gpg keys instead?03:45
crimsunkeys03:45
Hobbseeright03:46
crimsunalthough you should ask lifeless to be sure03:46
=== Hobbsee should add a couple more email addresses to her key, too.
poningruher?03:47
poningruoh... nm03:47
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Hobbseehrh03:47
Hobbseeheh03:47
=== Hobbsee is a green alien, poningru
=== ajmitch can vouch for that
poningrua female green alien?03:48
Hobbseeajmitch: dont veto the kde4 stuff - it'll be very clear what it is.03:48
Hobbseeponingru: seems so03:48
ajmitch"clearly obsolete"03:48
poningru0wnd03:49
Hobbseeyeah, well03:49
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faboLure: around ?08:39
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fabohi hobbsee :)08:39
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Lurefabo: hi08:42
Lurefabo: I was wondering about big patch in strigi08:42
Lurefabo: there are two problems with 0.3.11: plugins crash and hang on filtering (moslty with pdftotext)08:42
Lurefabo: patch has changed quite some handling of filters/converters08:43
Lurefabo: and why do we not compile with inotify support08:43
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faboLure: 1) plugins crash: atm they are unstable. Jos prefer to disable them atm.08:44
fabountil he fixes it properly08:44
Lurefabo: fine with me08:45
fabofor kubuntu, we can disable them, just we'll have an "empty" plugins package08:45
fabobut it is preferable than ship them08:45
fabo2) filtering, i'm not aware of the issue.08:46
faboif you have step to reproduce, we can probably fix it.08:46
fabo3) inotify support is not complete/stable08:47
fabojos and flavio prefered to focus on strigi daemon, inotify will be enabled as soon as it becomes stable08:48
Lurefabo: what about 01_strigi_branch_r623754.diff08:48
Lurefabo: is this there for good reason?08:49
Lurefabo: and from which branch this is taken in kde svn?08:49
faboi must check, but if i remember it fixed a couple of issue for 64bits arch08:49
fabofrom playground/base/strigi08:51
Lurefabo: ok, thanks08:51
Lurefabo: there was no branch/tag for 0.3.11, so I did not know if this patch is actually 0.3.11 diff08:52
fabomy step was: download 0.3.11, checkout playground/base/strigi, create patch between them08:53
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faboLure: btw, you can come in #strigi , jos/egon/micron are usually here for coding question08:57
Lurefabo: thanks for tip, will dive into this tonight08:58
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alleeRiddell: digikam in Gnome session fix: http://paste.debian.net/2336209:18
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JucatoHobbsee: have you seen toadstool's blog post?09:42
HobbseeJucato: is toadstool jeremy?09:43
Hobbseeif so, yes09:43
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Jucatoyeah09:43
HobbseeJucato: which is why it concerns me that there's no kubuntu specific person on the MOTU council.09:43
Hobbseeetc09:44
Jucatoah... :(09:44
Jucatomaybe someone should tell him the packages are for developers (or maybe someone already did?)09:44
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raphinkRiddell: do you know about konquefox?10:05
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poningruraphink: konquefox??11:12
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poningruawesome11:13
poningruhttp://konquefox.free.fr/11:13
Riddellldear gods11:17
Tm_TRiddelll: Yes?11:20
Hobbseeheh11:25
Hobbseepoor Riddelll11:25
Tm_TJucato: What blogpost?11:25
poningrurofl11:25
JucatoTm_T: the one on Planet Ubuntu, about KDE 4 packages11:33
Riddelllwow, what a twonkle, why doesn't he reply on the thread instead of blogging11:38
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Tm_TJucato: Ok, will look at it.11:38
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Jucatosome people feel that blogging will get them more attention and probably some sympathy, mostly from people who read the blog w/o knowing the real facts :)11:39
Jucatohm.. snails...11:40
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Jucatoew!!!11:40
Jucatoyou had to choose my arch-enemies... :(11:40
Hobbseebut they're a good form of protein!11:40
Hobbseelifeless says so!11:40
JucatoO.o11:41
Riddelllhe doesn't even have comments on his blog so I can't even flame him back unless I blog myself11:41
raphinkyou trust someone called "lifeless" on what is good for your healt Hobbsee ??!!11:42
Tm_TJucato: Ah that, silly.11:42
sebasWhat a moron.11:42
Hobbseeraphink: heh.  no.  but i did meet him at UDS, and jono appears to trust him :P11:42
Jucatoseems to be his first post in the planet, too11:43
Riddelllyou havn't been to a UDS..11:43
Hobbseeer, sorry, whatever the thing here was...11:43
HobbseeLCA.11:43
=== Hobbsee blames electronics.
Hobbsee(linux conf australia)11:44
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_StefanS_hey ppl11:45
_StefanS_ladies and gentlemen :)11:45
Jucatohi _StefanS_!11:45
_StefanS_hey Jucato11:45
Hobbseeheya _StefanS_11:45
_StefanS_:D11:46
_StefanS_anything happening ?11:46
JucatoI wouldn't know...11:46
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_StefanS_Me neither.. I only work here11:46
_StefanS_me know nothing11:46
Jucatolol11:46
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=== Jucato just spent $40 yesterday for a book that has been published 2 years ago...
_StefanS_Hobbsee: chew the food properly11:47
_StefanS_Jucato: err, thats alot11:47
_StefanS_Jucato: Qt thingy you talked about ?11:47
Jucatonope11:47
JucatoBeginning Linux Programming 3rd Ed :)11:47
_StefanS_I just got a massage, damn I'm kinda soar..11:47
_StefanS_oh nice11:48
_StefanS_c++ also i rekon11:48
Jucatogiven a choice between (O'ReilleyProgramming in Qt11:48
Jucatoblah11:48
Jucato_StefanS_: covers a whole range, from shell scripts to GTK and Qt11:48
_StefanS_Jucato: sure hope its a good book, let me know11:49
Jucatogiven a choice between (O'Reilley's) Programming in Qt (published 2004) and Teach Yourself Qt in 24 yours (published 2000), and this book, I chose this one :)11:49
Jucatosure11:49
_StefanS_aw just got some new headphones from sennheiser - they sound suberb wow11:51
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=== Hobbsee experienced something very odd today...
=== Hobbsee got asked her name, in electronics
_StefanS_err .. in electronics? - that sounds wierd11:54
=== Hobbsee is the only girl in electronics.
Hobbseethe guy had the list of names in the class in front of him :P11:55
_StefanS_he was coming on to you properly hehe11:55
_StefanS_probably11:56
_StefanS_damn my sentences are bad today also..11:56
Hobbseeheh.  hope not11:57
Hobbseeif he was, he's to be disappointed11:57
Jucatooh why? :D11:57
crimsunbecause Hobbsee's married to kubuntu11:58
crimsun(duh!)11:58
_StefanS_haha11:58
Jucatolol11:58
Jucatohm.. but if kubuntu == riddell... then O.O11:58
Hobbseehaha11:59
Hobbseeuh...11:59
_StefanS_well robots needs lovin' too...11:59
=== Hobbsee doesnt think Riddelll's girlfriend would like that.
Jucato:D11:59
Jucatooh great! I just pressed Ctrl+L in konvi...11:59
=== _StefanS_ speculates that Riddell is a robot ..
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_StefanS_working 24/711:59
Hobbsee_StefanS_: if so, he talks in a non-robot-like way12:00
Jucatoif so, he's also a very huggable robot (ask Hobbsee)12:01
=== Hobbsee hasnt met Riddell, so doesnt know if he's huggable or not
Hobbseehe hasnt seemed to ever try to eat me, which is a good start though.12:02
Riddelltoday I'm not huggable12:02
Riddelltoday I'm in a bad bad mood12:02
Jucatoaw.. :(12:02
Riddellwhich fortunately doesn't happy to me much12:02
Riddellerr, happen12:02
=== Hobbsee pictures Riddell as being like her boss...avoid like the plague!
Hobbsee:(12:03
RiddellI'm not that bad!12:05
Hobbseeoh good12:06
=== Hobbsee curses her boss a bit
=== Jucato wonders what it would feel like to ncurses Hobbsee's boss...
=== Hobbsee is *sure* there are laws against spying on employees
alleeRiddell: you feel better with bug-- ? ;)  [09:18]  <allee> Riddell: digikam in Gnome session fix: http://paste.debian.net/2336212:07
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HobbseeRiddell: wow.12:13
Hobbsee@ the -motu blog post12:13
Hobbseeer, -blog12:13
RiddellI just flamed him back on the ubuntu-motu mailing list12:13
Hobbseeyep :D12:13
Jucato>:D12:16
Hobbsee[22:17]  [Whois]  Toadstool has been idle for 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 51 seconds.12:17
HobbseeRiddell: you could flame him on irc in real time too, when he wakes up if you really wanted :P12:17
RiddellI'd rather not12:17
Tm_TWho/where I should ask about ubuntu kernel issues?12:17
Tm_T"Note: You need to have CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER compiled either into the kernel, or as a module, in your kernel config."12:17
HobbseeTm_T: #ubuntu-kernel12:18
Tm_THobbsee: Thanks.12:18
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GNUro'lo!12:30
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=== imbrandon hugs Riddell ( and then runs for his life )
Riddellgrump12:57
lotusleafkubuntu 4 life k thx12:58
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imbrandonHobbsee, whats his name on irc ?01:02
Hobbseeimbrandon: who's?01:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: jeremy corbier?01:03
Riddellbest not to go flaming people on irc01:03
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Tm_TWithout flamesuit ofcourse.01:04
Tm_TI'm getting closer in syncing my iPaq with Linux. :)01:05
Hobbseeimbrandon: it's toadstool.  iirc, he's on the MOTU council too01:06
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=== Hobbsee would imagine toad stool
=== Jucato wonders about toad's stool, "stool" being a synonym of sh*t...
Tm_TOr tool?01:09
Hobbseehey now, be nice01:10
imbrandonRiddell, i wasent going to, just wanted to know who it was01:12
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=== Hobbsee wonders at the point of the kubuntu council
Riddellwe seem to have an authoritah problem01:54
HobbseeRiddell: in regards to the kde4 + motu stuff, or other stuff?01:54
Riddellyes01:55
Hobbseepresumably kubuntu council should have authority over kubuntu specific packages, as they're the ones doing the bug work, along with other kubuntu people, rather htan those who dont touch, and dont know anything about kde?01:56
Riddellnot necessarily, it's bad practice to be approving our own UVF exceptions or whatever01:59
Hobbseewell, true02:00
Riddellbut in this case I stopped caring about MOTU council now that they flamed me on planet02:00
Hobbseeheh02:00
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Jucato:)02:01
Hobbseeit was only one of them, not them as a whole...but true.02:02
Riddellaye, but I'm in a bad mood today so I'm going to grump at them all just because I want to02:06
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Hobbseeheh02:06
Hobbseesounds good to me02:07
=== sebas wishes Riddell strength.
sebasWhy do they object now but didn't when the spec was approved?02:09
Hobbseecan i have strength too?  i have to go to work tomorrow...02:09
sebasHobbsee: Sure thing :-)02:09
=== Hobbsee cant deal with any idiotic parents, and their hellspawn.
Riddellsebas: specs are expected to be implemented by feature freeze02:10
sebasI'm smelling some people being afraid of KDE, not for the first time.02:10
RiddellI don't think it's that02:10
Hobbseesebas: because when the spec was approved, they werent involved in it.02:10
freeflyingRiddell: Will test the lscim/skim this weekend for qt-3.3.802:11
sebasRiddell: Well, those packages are obviously not touched by this, if only one applies common sense.02:11
Riddellfreeflying: thanks02:11
sebasWhat is better: Having broken packages before UVF that are utterly useless at release date or having less broken, useful packages at all?02:11
sebasHobbsee: Right, then they should stfu02:11
Riddellnow now, no need to swear, even in acronym02:12
sebasRight.02:12
sebasIMO it's either reading stuff and complaining in time, or not complaining.02:12
imbrandonthey just dont see the helpfull ness to have the latest development versino in the erpo, it will prepare us and them for +102:12
Hobbseesebas: i've put forward that argument for SRU's, but...02:13
sebasThing is that if they reject it now, they get worst of both worlds.02:13
imbrandonsebas, exactly02:13
sebasWork is already put in, and that's their concern.02:13
Hobbseethere's no major difference in putting it on kubuntu.org or in the universe repos02:13
Hobbseeuser-wise02:13
sebasWell, in that case we didn't need to discuss that at all.02:14
imbrandonHobbsee, sure there is 1) most developers from KDE want it OOTB, 2) Riddell dosnet have to personaly build all arches02:14
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Hobbseeimbrandon: well, yeah.  i was thinking in terms of most users, who would just add that extra repo02:14
imbrandonRiddell, although did you see i put the MOTU/core-dev buildd's up ( x86 , ppc and sparc all in production )02:14
imbrandonRiddell, every motu and core-dev has an account02:15
imbrandonand pbuilders are up for breezy to feisty + sid02:15
sebasYeah, though the argument is "fix kde3 packages first" is totally bogus, the kde4 packages work is mostly done (as I understand) and rejecting the upload now causes even more work (which then cannot go into fixing *any* packages)02:15
imbrandonsooo if you need help building we now have the resources in my DC ( and x86_64 soon )02:16
Riddellimbrandon: not seen that, where is it?02:16
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Riddellsebas: actually the KDE 4 upstreams have a bunch of copyright problems02:16
imbrandonssh lp-id@intrepid.ubuntuwire.com for ppc , aurora. for x86 and sparky. for sparc ( uses your ssh key from LP )02:16
sebasRiddell: Which is exactly what we want to find out now (and would be a disaster when packaging on release day)02:16
imbrandonRiddell, ^^02:16
Riddellsebas: very true02:17
imbrandoni sent an email to -motu and -devel but i thinhk it got burried02:17
imbrandonthat and i added a ppc since then02:17
imbrandoncopyright problems?02:18
sebasWhich are those copyright problems btw?02:18
Riddellmissing LGPL texts02:20
sebasBut the license notices are in the files?02:25
Riddellyes, but the licence itself isn't02:33
sebasShould be easy to fix then (easy == without tracking down individual contributors, but just adding the necessary files)02:39
Riddellyes02:40
Riddellit's just another thing to make me more grumpy today that's all02:41
sebasUnderstandable.02:41
sebasSometimes, I've these days where you end up with dealing with lots of small but important issues all day.02:42
imbrandonRiddell, here is the hostnames and login info etc for future ref http://www.imbrandon.com/index.php/2007/03/09/motu-build-network-update/02:42
sebasAt the end of the day, I get the feeling that the day was wasted, even though lots of small things vanished from the TODO list02:42
imbrandonany motu / core-dev can help you build pcakcages on ppc and otheres now02:42
imbrandon;)02:42
Jucatoimbrandon: nice blog post btw. gives me some ideas :)02:43
imbrandonhehe what one, i've done two today02:43
imbrandonlol02:43
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imbrandonahh that one02:43
Jucatoheh I didn't know you made another one. I read them as they come in Akregator (from the Planet) :D02:44
sebasimbrandon: There's a typo in your resume, s/effert/effort02:44
imbrandonsebas, thanks, yea i need to update that thing badly, its 2+ years old02:44
sebasYeah, always the thing with this kind of documents02:48
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manchickenMan, I wish some programs were ported to win32 so when my employer forces me to use win32 I can still use programs I'm used to.03:02
Jucatoadept would have very little use in win3203:03
manchickenkatapult being one of the big things I miss... which is ironic since I never thought I'd find a good use for katapult.03:03
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manchickenJucato: Truth has come forth from your pie-hole ;)03:03
Jucatomanchicken: http://www.launchy.net/03:03
manchickenOOh reeeealy?03:03
Jucatoyes03:03
Jucatocame across that while doing my "launcher" research03:04
manchickenMe likey.03:04
Jucatothere are some "little" things that makes launchy better than Katapult03:04
Jucatobut very little03:04
manchickenWorking in a coffee shop rocks.03:04
Jucatoat least you could work in a coffee shop... :P03:05
manchickenDude, I had the best BBQ sauce last night.03:06
manchickenFreakin' awesome!03:06
manchickenMango habenero.03:06
JucatoO.o03:06
manchickenNice spice, soooo sweet.03:06
Jucatobbq'ed mango?03:07
manchickenNo, it was chicken ;)03:07
Jucatoyou ate your own kind? :P03:07
manchickenThe sauce was made with mango and habenero peppers though :)03:07
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Jucatolol03:08
imbrandonmanchicken, thats nuts i was just eating mango habenero wings from buffalo wild wings when i looked up and read the backlog03:17
manchickenimbrandon: That's were I had them.03:18
manchickenimbrandon: Except that it was last night, and it was boneless wing night.03:18
imbrandonyup yup03:18
Jucatocrazy coincidence :)03:18
imbrandoni bought them last night , ate some and then finished them off for lunch today ;)03:18
imbrandonthose things rock03:19
manchickenNice.03:19
manchickenDude, boneless thursdays rock.03:19
imbrandonyea 50c03:19
imbrandona peice03:19
manchickenWe went and played trivia, and I got almost drunk.03:19
manchicken:)03:19
imbrandonlol03:19
imbrandonnow how fskin cool is this widget http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/03/reflections.html03:20
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Jucatowow03:21
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neutralossanyone have problems with open office dependencies off the repo?03:27
bddebianHeya03:29
Jucatohi bddebian!03:29
bddebianHi Jucato03:29
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jdongimbrandon: what do you think are the chances of UVFe for KTorrent 2.1.1?03:49
jdong(bugfix release, debdiff from 2.1-0ubuntu1 applies cleanly, builds)03:49
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elcuco__hi, i would like to help translate kubuntu, however no one on the kubuntu-hebrew team is responding to mail. what can i do?03:50
Riddelljdong: the changelog starts with "rewrite" and I ran away screaming03:51
Riddellelcuco__: there's a kubuntu-hewbrew team?03:52
Riddells/w//03:52
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jdongRiddell: lol, gotta LOVE ktorrent upstream :)03:52
imbrandonrewrite? ummm03:52
jdongimbrandon: rewrite of some of the networking code03:53
jdongdiffstat @ bug 9078703:53
UbugtuMalone bug 90787 in ktorrent "UVFe: KTorrent 2.1.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9078703:53
elcuco__there are some people written on some page, but they do not responce to mail. i think you should clean that team, and put my name in that team.03:53
Riddellelcuco__: which page?03:54
Riddelljdong: how is backports running these days?03:55
jdongRiddell: it runs whenever my MIT homework load dies below 4hrs :)03:55
jdongRiddell: I plan on doing a lot of backports work today03:55
Riddelljdong: how can I request them?03:56
imbrandonRiddell, me and crimsun can do backports work too03:56
jdongRiddell: file bug against dapper/edgy-backports03:56
imbrandonRiddell, file a bug against {dapper,edgy}-backports product03:56
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Riddellimbrandon, jdong: bug reports requesting ksniffer and cmake backports filed03:58
elcuco__Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-he03:58
elcuco__Riddell: for example sivan is not responding03:58
Riddellthat's surprising03:59
jdongimbrandon: can you file that? I gotta get to class soon :)03:59
elcuco__also, i get no response at #ubuntu-il03:59
Riddellhmm, sivang hasn't been online since january, wonder what's up with him04:00
Riddellelcuco__: seems like there's a fair case for chaning the ownership of the team then04:01
jdonghopefully off at some great tropical resort04:01
Riddellelcuco__: but it's nothing I can do, you need to ask the rosetta admins https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/rosetta-users04:01
elcuco__ok. thanks. btw, the ubuntu.org.il site used to be a semi official site for ubuntu in israel. it's now offline. but i assume this is something you don't really care about :)\04:03
Riddellwas that sivan too?04:03
Riddelljdong: sivan along with others who live in hot desert countries, seem to prefer holidaying in dreich Edinburgh04:04
jdong:)04:05
elcuco__Riddell: i am not sure about that site, and i don't really care. i found another 2 members, one has no contact information, and the other (a chick, how cool!), just got my mail. lets see what happens next.04:15
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Riddellmhb: wibble04:44
Riddellmhb: so the dist upgrader /should/ be ready to test now04:45
Riddellbut you need to quit adept at the correct time04:45
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Riddellhumph04:46
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DaSkreechRiddell: ok Just checking.04:59
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nixternalRiddell: I have the Kubuntu docs package building perfectly EXCEPT..Firefox-homepage linking still wants to link to the old about-kubuntu instead of my new firefox-startpage I did for Kubuntu05:24
nixternalI am sure this won't be a problem with a fresh install using this package, but people like me who are updating, it doesn't fix the link correctly05:25
nixternalwhat if I change the 40 in the postinst file to 41, does that make the new link more important, or does going lower do so?05:25
Riddellthat doesn't sound like a good tactic05:27
Riddellnixternal: if it's not changing for you it's likely it thinks you have it set to a custom target so it won't change it at all05:27
nixternalwell it adds the link fine (update-alternatives --display firefox-homepage), but it doesn't move the link from the old setup to the new setup05:28
nixternalit is like the prerm file isn't working and not removing the old link first05:28
RiddellI just said..05:31
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eeankwwii_: I think that "Colored scrollbars" should be off by default in Polyester05:37
eeanor at least it should be a dark blue color :)05:37
eeanit *shouldn't05:37
kwwii_eean: yeah, I was thinking about that too, but without the color you can hardly notice what is the scrollbar and what is the well05:37
eeankwwii_: yea I know what you mean...05:38
eeanit would be fine if its was just gray05:38
kwwii_the hardest thing is that the color used in the scrollbar is the color uses as the selection color05:39
kwwii_s/uses/used05:39
eeanwell this could be changed I would think, but I don't see a gray color in the color scheme05:40
eeanheh Inactive Title Blend05:40
eeanuse that instead ;)05:40
eeankwwii_: plastik doesn't have this problem, its scrollbar has a nice border05:43
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kwwii_eean: true05:44
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nixternalRiddell: debdiff or the entire package? kubuntu-docs that is?07:56
nixternalRiddell: also, should I create a patch to fix Konqueror links in the main window to show System Docs and remove the desktop guide, packaging guide, and server guide?07:57
nixternalI am uploading all + debdiff now07:59
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nixternalRiddell: KTorrent 2.1.2 released - Security Release08:06
nixternalhttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=117346514411140&w=208:11
nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/   <- Kubuntu docs package - installed locally and working great!08:15
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fdovinggreat work nixternal. :)08:18
Lurenixternal: you should probably ping security-team08:18
nixternalLure: will do. Riddell wanted a way to get KTorrent 2.1.1 in with a UVF but couldn't find a reason to, now we have one :)08:18
nixternalfdoving: thank you!08:18
Lurenixternal: ;-)08:18
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nixternalargh, they dropped the security-review list didn't they?08:36
nixternalthat is why I can't freakin' send to it ;p08:36
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nixternalhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=455708:47
nixternal^^ KTorrent 2.1.2 upload08:47
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larsiviare anyone here responsible for a google summer of code organzation?09:05
larsiviboth firefox and konqueror (in feisty) redirects their apply howto page to some other - wgetting it gives me the correct page though ...09:05
larsivihttp://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/gsoc-mentor-organization-application-how-to09:06
larsivi^ if anyone would want to try09:06
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jdongRiddell: heh KTorrent 2.1.2 released with security fixes :(09:32
jdongRiddell: the security patches depend on the new networking thread splitup in 2.1.1... so I think it's easier on everyone just to UVF it?09:33
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nixternaljdong: I beat you to the punch :)09:36
jdongnixternal: ah, thanks :)09:36
nixternalhehe, no problem09:36
jdongthat makes me feel better :)09:37
nixternalalready emailed -motu (since security-review is gone), and put an updated pkg on revu09:37
jdongnixternal: very col09:37
nixternaljdong: Riddell wanted to get 2.1.1 updated in the repos but we couldn't find a changelog that would qualify for  UVF, now we have a reason :)09:37
jdongnixternal: I also managed to prod upstream into a makeshift changelog09:38
jdongnixternal: as soon as my firefox starts responding to me again09:38
nixternalhehe09:38
nixternalcool, it is very much needed09:38
jdongGAH09:38
jdongDIE BEAGLE DIE09:38
jdonghttp://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137909:38
jdongit's still pathetic a changelog, but better than "misc bug fixes"09:39
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jdongRiddell: ^^ somewhat a changelog of KT 2.1.x09:41
nixternaljdong: ya, we looked at that changelog the other day, Riddell was worried about the "webserver" portion09:56
jdongnixternal: it's not on by default in any case09:57
nixternalahhh09:57
jdongnixternal: and those who put up a web frontend to their bittorrent client don't care much about security to begin with :D09:57
nixternaltrue09:57
jdongnixternal: i.e. we don't eye netcat very closely and it can be much more of a security threat :D09:57
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nixternalheh, haven't messed with nc in a long long time10:00
LureRiddell: maybe we should just release with rc6 - this sounds too good to miss in feisty: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/05/18122410:19
jdongLure: it is shiny... maybe some FEisty test debs?10:20
jdongLure: I'd be glad to send it thru a real beating :)10:20
Lurejdong: seaLne was working on them, not sure how far he got. I compiled rc6 from tar and it works for me10:20
jdongLure: in any case it'd be nice to have some packages, see what the impact of it is10:21
jdongI'm still pretty irked about the introduction of Xorg 7.210:22
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Tm_TWhat's the wifitool in KDE I should test/use?10:37
Tm_TI'm trying to finally dive into wlan world seriously.10:38
jdongknetworkmanager10:38
Tm_TThanks.10:38
fdovingif it fails kwlan works. but it could need some gui-polish.10:40
Tm_THmm knetworkamanger doesn't see my wlan interface...10:41
LureTm_T: what wifi driver?10:41
Tm_TErr, good question.10:41
Tm_Trausb0    RT73 WLAN10:43
LureTm_T: does it work w/o network-manager?10:45
Tm_Twlassistant does even find networks, never succeeded to connect yet though.10:45
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LureTm_T: what does "iwlist scan" say10:46
Tm_TReturns three networks to rausb010:46
LureTm_T: according to http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware rt73 does not sound promising for n-m10:47
Tm_THmm, I see.10:47
fdovingnetworkmanager usually doesn't work.. in my experience.10:47
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fdovingkwlan usually does.10:48
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jdongLure: All ralinks behave badly with nm10:51
jdongrt2400,2500,2570,rt7310:51
Lurejdong: yep, I just was not sure that rt73 is ralink...10:51
jdongthey have race conditions with SMP+PREEMPT that lead to kernel panics10:51
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imbrandonheya kwwii10:56
kwwiihey imbrandon, wassup?10:56
imbrandonnadda, just wakin up ;)10:56
imbrandonyou?10:56
imbrandonhey you gonna make it to Portland OR this summer ?10:57
kwwiiimbrandon: Portland? what is going on there?10:57
imbrandonubuntu live10:58
Tm_TAwww.10:58
imbrandonbtw nice usplash for feisty, love it much better than the edgy one10:58
Tm_TWhen I tried to connect to wlan, eth halted. =)10:58
imbrandonkwwii, www.ubuntulive.com10:59
kwwiihrm, not sure if I'll make that10:59
kwwiithanks, good to hear you like it10:59
imbrandonhehe cool, just wondering , i'm definately going to that one, not sure if i'll make spain or not11:00
imbrandontrying to but you know how that is11:00
imbrandon;)11:00
kwwiisure11:00
kwwiiI wish I did not have to go :p11:00
imbrandonhehe11:01
imbrandonspain sounds fun actualy, better than san fran11:01
kwwiijust more alcohol11:02
kwwiiand a few less english speakers :-)11:02
imbrandonhehe and my history with latin women i might find a new ex-wife ;)11:02
imbrandon#311:02
imbrandonlol11:02
nixternalkwwii: all you need to know is "que hora es" and "uno mas"11:03
kwwiilol11:03
kwwiiyeah11:03
Tm_Timbrandon: Wife? Is is some kind of tool?11:03
kwwiino worries about me in spain, I speak pretty well after a day or so11:03
nixternallatin and latino are way different :)11:03
imbrandonTm_T, yea they are tools all right, just not one i can explain here11:03
nixternallatin women are nice, those latino women will....well you know :)11:03
Tm_Timbrandon: Hmm, then I might not like to hear.11:03
nixternaldo they still jam the Gypsy Kings out there? It has been a few years since I was last in Spain11:04
imbrandonkwwii, did you see the qt itunes ( like ) widget , http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/03/reflections.html11:05
imbrandonthats gonna soo rock rok 2.0 hard11:06
nixternalkwwii: you seen the artwork with PCLinuxOS?11:06
kwwiiboah, killer11:06
kwwiinixternal: nope11:06
nixternalnot to shabby really, but 1995 called and said they want their icons and KMenu back11:06
kwwiiyeah, there has been a guy hanging around here and the art channel asking lots of questions11:07
imbrandondude it look so win9511:07
nixternalimbrandon: ya it does11:08
nixternalit is a very solid OS though11:08
nixternalI don't agree with all the restricted codecs out of the box11:08
imbrandoni do, shit should just work, let the programers worry about IP not the end user11:08
imbrandonimho11:09
jdongimbrandon: +111:09
jdongnixternal: that's one of the biggest raves I hear from PCLOS, MEPIS, etc11:09
jdongnixternal: their media and 3D JUST WORKED.11:10
nixternaloh I know it is, but I still don't agree with it11:10
jdonginstead of the nice surprises here, like how ffmpeg is partially castrated11:10
jdongpartial castration sucks.11:10
nixternalif every OS did that, then there would be no reason to work towards free standards11:10
jdongnixternal: at the ame time working towards free standards by locking out all other options is hypocritical11:10
nixternalnever said anything about locking out other options11:11
nixternalthe user should have the option to choose, not the OS11:11
jdongnixternal: by not including mp3/aac what do you think you're doing?11:11
jdongnixternal: with Ubuntu the option to choose is pull down ffmpeg and patch and rebuild11:11
jdongpfft.11:11
jdongif the non-free choice was easier to choose, I'd be fine with it11:12
jdongi.e. what Restricted  Manager is doing with video11:12
jdongright on.11:12
nixternalI am sorry, but that type of attitude is the same type that will eventually cat Linux >> Microsoft clones11:12
jdongmeh, we'll never reach any agreement on this topic :)11:13
fdovingwe want free.11:13
imbrandonno, your looking at it from the same view as a user/developer11:13
nixternaltrue11:13
nixternalfdoving: you tell um11:13
nixternalI just installed mp3 stuff the other night to listen t Mez DJ :)11:15
nixternalwhen I rip my CDs, I do ogg, movies ogg11:16
nixternalthe only thing I have is Flash, I can't live w/o YouTube yet :)11:16
imbrandonvorbis and theora ? ogg is a container ;)11:16
nixternaljes11:16
jdongimbrandon:that's mean.11:16
jdonglol11:16
imbrandonsilly people ;)11:17
nixternalogg is ogg, you know what I am referring to11:17
jdongimbrandon: I make ogg aac+H.264s to tick off my RMS-worhsipping friends.11:17
jdong"hey cool it's ogg! wait WTF?"11:17
imbrandonno ogg can have aac audio and mpeg video if you wanted11:17
imbrandonits justa  container11:17
fdovinglike .avi.11:17
jdongit's just as much fun as setting shell to wine cmd.exe11:17
nixternalyup11:17
imbrandonexactly fdoving11:17
jdongI wish ogg theora was somewhat more competent though :(11:18
jdongI do my audio stuff in ogg nowadays11:18
jdongbut I still choose H.264 for video11:18
fdovingwe prefer free software. nonfree is just a backup in those cases free software isn't working properly yet, like flash.11:19
imbrandonfdoving, exactly11:19
imbrandonbut use the backup dont throw it out11:19
imbrandon;)11:19
jdongfdoving: or when the free solution is seriously/prohibitively limited11:19
fdovingyes.11:20
imbrandoneven linus dident write the kernel on a free OS , there wasent one yet, same with gcc etc11:20
imbrandoncant have your cake and eat it tooo, yet11:21
fdovingbut i'm not sure i like the idea of including nonfree software.11:21
jdongfdoving: if not include it, make it reasonably effortless for people to get to them.11:21
nixternalonly because the University of Helsinki only had Sun Solaris :)11:21
jdongfdoving: deliver an RMS sermon then hit clickwrap, fine.11:21
fdovingjdong: that, i support of course.11:21
imbrandoni'm all for it, it will help the adoption of the OS , THEN let the programers work in replacements11:21
jdongbut "recompile this and patch that and hope it doesn't break your system?" no11:21
imbrandonclickwrap is just the same fskin thing, people that support clickwrap but dont support putting it directly in are hippocrites11:22
imbrandonplain and simple11:22
yuriyhi all11:22
jdongimbrandon: clickwrap is a compromise....11:23
imbrandonits an un-needed hurdle11:23
imbrandonyou either support the use of it or you dont11:23
imbrandoni dont chastize people for not wanting to install flash, but to make it "install on demand" and be "ok" is just ignorant11:24
jdongpoint taken11:24
fdovinginstall on demand is NOT nice.11:24
yuriyhmm what's the argument?11:25
fdovinginstall on user-selects-to-install is nice.11:25
jdongI think it's rather "install-on-demand" due to space reasons vs idealogical ones11:25
jdongI'm fine with the former11:25
jdongbut if it's purely ideologically motivated, then I fully see imbrandon's point.11:25
imbrandonspace constraints are totaly diffrent , yes11:26
fdovingthis konqueror auto-install-flash feature is a ugly evil beast imho.11:27
imbrandonfdoving, yes , yes it is, but thats OUR worry, not the end users, someday gnash will replace it11:27
jdongfdoving: don't you guys have a amarok auto-install mp3 thing too? :D11:27
imbrandonand as it should11:27
imbrandonjdong, yes11:27
jdongwhee :)11:27
nixternalreally?11:27
nixternalHow come Amarok didn't auto-install mp3 stuff the other night when I tried to listen to an mp3 stream from Mez?11:28
imbrandonstreams are handled diffrently11:28
nixternalahh11:28
jdongnixternal: you got the RMS patchset installed...11:28
nixternalOK11:28
nixternalRMS == dirt to me11:28
imbrandonrok needs to be fixed to trigger the script on streams too11:28
nixternalhe has worn his philosophy out11:28
jdongnixternal: god I saw him in the CSAIL building the other day11:28
imbrandonbut thats a feature/bug11:29
jdongnixternal: it didn't occur to me until 2 hours later that itwas RMS11:29
nixternalRMS, great philosophy, just the worst marketer I have ever seen11:29
fdovingjdong: yeah, i hope the next version will stop on 'NO', the first versions continued installing mp3-things even when you tried to stop it.11:29
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jdongfdoving: lol!11:29
nixternaljdong: you didn't smell him before you seen him?11:29
jdongnixternal: everyone in that building smells.11:29
nixternallol11:29
nixternalhahahahha11:29
imbrandonok dinner time, bbiab11:29
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imbrandonfdoving, and it does stop on "no" i tested it many times before uploading, if it dosent 1) fix the bash script or 2) file a bug ;)11:30
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fdovingimbrandon: i'm talking about an old version.. haven't tested the new ones. i belive you if you say it works. :)11:31
yuriylaunchpad needs to warn people not to post drunk >.<11:32
fdovingmake a bugreport :)11:33
yuriybug 8609411:34
UbugtuMalone bug 86094 in kaffeine "forward/back do not work reliably" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8609411:34
yuriycan that comment even be deleted in any way?11:34
fdoving#launchpad might know.11:34
jdongyuriy: that's nothing11:35
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jdongyuriy: bug 9063611:35
UbugtuMalone bug 90636 in openoffice.org "Openoffice fonts aren't blurry enough (dup-of: 54776)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9063611:35
UbugtuMalone bug 54776 in openoffice.org "font hinting does not work with libfreetype6 v. 2.2.1" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5477611:35
jdongyuriy: read the screenshots too11:36
yuriyjdong: lmao, wtf?11:37
jdongI was angry and thinking irrationally11:38
jdong"The long wide string pointer was forcibly inserted into the tight char array"11:38
jdong*snicker*11:38
yuriyso that's what MIT students think about when partying11:40
fdovingnite.11:41
jdongyuriy: yeah. uncut big-endian bitstreams and unprotected hypertransport busses11:42
kwwiiso....which one will update better? kubuntu or ubuntu?11:42
kwwiifrom edgy to herd5 I mean11:42
jdongI've successfully done one of each11:43
jdongthough both took >=2 runs of the upgrader(s)11:43
kwwiiouch11:43
jdongthey'd fail with a random package returning status 111:46
jdongand then a re-run, that woudn't happen11:46
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yuriyRiddell: have you had a chance to look at the bug week page?12:12

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