[12:19] <LaserJock> \o/
[12:20] <LaserJock> I finally figured out how to get procmail to sort LP bugs
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90738 in malone "Standard search fails to find bugs marked 'Fix released'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90738
[12:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:31] <LaserJock> hi mpt 
[12:34] <mpt> salgado, pong
[12:34] <mpt> And he's not here
[12:34] <mpt> which is why "mpt, ping" isn't a useful thing to say
[12:34] <pochu> mpt: ping :-P
[12:35] <LaserJock> pochu: hmm, you better watch it, he'll make a special LP UI just for you ;-)
[12:36] <LaserJock> the cat LP_UI > /dev/null kind
[12:36] <pochu> LaserJock: hehe, that should be funny :-)
[12:36] <pochu> :-/
[12:36] <pochu> ;)
[12:46] <MagicFab> how many launchpad users would you say there are ?
[12:47] <pochu> MagicFab: 878137
[12:47] <pochu> :)
[12:47] <MagicFab> pochu, wow, that was fast.
[12:47] <MagicFab> tx
[12:47] <pochu> hehe
[12:47] <pochu> MagicFab: https://beta.launchpad.net/people
[12:47] <pochu> There are currently 878137 people and 865 teams registered in Launchpad.
[12:48] <pochu> MagicFab: and feel free to join #ubuntu-es-web ;)
[12:49] <MagicFab> pochu, what's going on there ?
[12:49] <pochu> MagicFab: the ubuntu-es team :)
[12:49] <pochu> MagicFab: didn't you ask me about it?
[12:51] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: you need an LP account for shipit?
[12:52] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Yep...
[12:52] <spiv> LaserJock: it's the same user database.
[12:53] <LaserJock> I didn't even know you needed an account of any kind for shipit
[12:53] <LaserJock> tells you how much I've used it ;-)
[12:53] <pochu> Fujitsu: and the other 5% were automatically created when importing packages from debian :)
[12:53] <mpt> haha
[12:53] <Fujitsu> pochu: Probably true. :P
[12:54] <Fujitsu> mpt's laughing that can't be a good sign.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> mpt: What did you do to destroy beta?
[12:55] <LaserJock> destroy?
[12:56] <Fujitsu> That was an evil laugh. He must have destroyed /something/.
[12:57] <LaserJock> ah
[01:06] <mpt> pochu, there are no bugs in Launchpad!
[01:06] <mpt> None!
[01:06] <pochu> mpt: you are right, it's in rosetta ;)
[01:06] <ajmitch> just unplanned features?
[01:06] <pochu> hehe
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Hey ajmitch.
[01:07] <ajmitch> hello Fujitsu 
[01:10] <pochu> LoL
[01:10] <pochu> I already reported it hehe
[01:10] <pochu> Bug #89043
[01:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89043 in rosetta "rosetta shouldn't display "change translators" if I don't have permissions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89043
[01:11] <pochu> though it also happens with products
[01:11] <pochu> mpt: do I report again for products? :-)
[01:11] <pochu> and maybe also for projects (need to check it)
[01:11] <pochu> hehe
[01:15] <mpt> pochu, well, it is three lines of code that need changing, rather than one...
[01:15] <pochu> mpt: ty :)
[01:15] <pochu> mpt: do you want me to review your code and approve it? :)
[01:16] <mpt> Hmm, actually, I'm not entirely sure of the correct fix
[01:16] <mpt> and neither are you :-P
[01:16] <pochu> hehe
[01:16] <mpt> danilos, what is the difference between "launchpad.Edit" and "launchpad.Admin" in the context of translations?
[01:17] <pochu> mpt: I've seen this bug all around LP :)
[01:17] <pochu> though it may different to fix hehe
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #2245 in malone "Flag/star "interesting" bug reports" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2245
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90741 in tex4ht "tex4ht doesn't work proper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90741
[01:23] <mpt> Ubugtu, what does 90741 have to do with us?
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[01:24] <Fujitsu> More random malone tasks.
[01:24] <mpt> kiko, do you know the difference there?
[01:26] <pochu> bug 89043 updated :)
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89043 in rosetta "rosetta shouldn't display "change translators" if I don't have permissions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89043
[01:30] <mpt> thanks pochu, sorry I can't fix it, but I don't know which of two possible fixes to use, and no Translations hackers are awake to tell me
[01:30] <pochu> mpt: you can try one, and if it doesn't work, then use the other :)
[01:31] <pochu> mpt: anyway, that's not a critical bug ;)
[01:31] <mpt> Oh, they'd both work, but they might work for too many people, or for not enough people.
[01:31] <pochu> hehe
[01:31] <mpt> And I'm not familiar with exactly which people the item should be shown for.
[01:31] <pochu> hmm
[01:31] <pochu> admins? :)
[01:32] <Fujitsu> mpt: The new images next to products/projects/people/distros could do with a little more spacing between them and their label.
[01:32] <mpt> Fujitsu, I noticed that, but thanks
[01:34] <pochu> mpt: and what about the lines between "most active in", "contact details", "working on", and "team memberships"? they are a little weird
[01:34] <pochu> mpt: https://beta.launchpad.net/~pochu/
[01:37] <mpt> pochu, w.r.t. bug 89043, you can use "Edit description/tags" to make a bug report's description better (e.g. saying that the bug occurs for products, distributions, and projects, not just products)
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89043 in rosetta "rosetta shouldn't display "change translators" if I don't have permissions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89043
[01:37] <mpt> It saves a little time for people reading the bug report later to work out exactly what the bug is :-)
[01:37] <pochu> mpt: sure :)
[01:38] <mpt> pochu, the strange lines are a CSS problem I haven't gotten around to fixing yet
[01:38] <pochu> mpt: do you use product / project / distro tags ?
[01:38] <pochu> hehe
[01:38] <pochu> mpt: nice to hear you already know it!
[01:38] <pochu> that way, I haven't to report it ;)
[01:38] <pochu> hehe
[01:43] <mpt> pochu, what do you mean by "product/project/distro tags"?
[01:44] <pochu> mpt: nevermind
[01:44] <pochu> mpt: description updated
[01:45] <pochu> mpt: I mean if you use it for tag bugs which affects products, projects, distros... as you use ui, bitesize, trivial...
[01:48] <Rinchen> Night folks.
[01:49] <mpt> pochu, no, that's not an interesting thing for us
[01:50] <mpt> There's no reason for us to want to look at bugs that affect one but not another
[01:50] <pochu> hehe, you're right
[01:50] <pochu> mpt: luckily I didn't touch them :)
[01:50] <pochu> hehe
[01:53] <pochu> mpt: can I pm you a moment?
[01:55] <mpt> sure
[02:01] <pochu> so the translation import should be finished on Wednesday :)
[02:01] <pochu> if everything goes fine, hehe :)
[02:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #5934 in launchpad "Menu item shouldn't be a link if you're already on that page" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5934
[02:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #5937 in malone "be able to search for bugs I've commented on" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5937
[02:13] <pochu> new bug? ^ xD
[02:50] <lifeless> kiko-afk: so mozilla does not negatively cache 404's? SUCK.
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90758 in rosetta "Distribution Translations page has no legend for its chart" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90758
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90759 in rosetta "Better distinguish between "Changed in Rosetta" and "Newly translated in Rosetta"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90759
[03:12] <mooey> what is the difference between nominating a bug for a release (eg edgy), and setting the milestone to be edgy-updates?
[03:48] <mpt> mooey, that question probably better belongs in #ubuntu-devel
[03:48] <mpt> lifeless, what do you mean by "negatively cache"?
[03:48] <mpt> hi Hobbsee 
[03:48] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:49] <lifeless> mpt: when a 404 is encountered, its possible to remember that there is a 404 at that URL rather than keep trying
[03:49] <lifeless> mpt: i.e. to cache(remember) that the object is missing, rather than that it is present.
[03:49] <lifeless> for instance, squid does this.
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90767 in launchpad-support-tracker ""All languages" should be a radiobutton, not a checkbox+alert" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90767
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #3790 in blueprint "Main Specifications page needs a "Register a Specification" link" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3790
[04:42] <sistpoty> hi... just a quick question: is it possible to get an easily parseble format of ubuntu mirrors as seen on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors/? (curious, because I'm looking at bug #1780 atm)
[04:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1780 in apt-spy "apt-spy does not have ubuntu mirror listing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1780 - Assigned to MOTU (motu)
[04:43] <jml> mpt: yeah, I guess your summary of bug 90543 is better :)
[04:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90543 in openoffice.org "Fiesty OpenOffice Impress crashes upon starting SLIDESHOW" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90543
[04:43] <jml> err bug 90534
[04:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90534 in malone "On bug page, "Related Branch" table has confusing location+data+columns" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90534 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[04:54] <spiv> sistpoty: not that I know of.  I'd ask salgado about it when he's around.
[04:54] <sistpoty> spiv: ok, thanks will do
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90770 in launchpad "Tabs should be flexibly sized to accommodate larger fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90770
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90779 in launchpad "Pie chart doesn't display correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90779
[08:02] <Fujitsu> Don't we normally get more than 30 minutes warning before LP goes down?
[08:02] <Fujitsu> Like, an email?
[08:09] <BjornT> Fujitsu: yes, an e-mail should have been sent about it, but it seems like it wasn't. sorry.
[08:10] <BjornT> it was planned that the downtime should be on monday, but due to technical reasons it was changed to be today instead.
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Aha. What's the estimated downtime, and why?
[08:11] <BjornT> stub is going to upgrade postgresql, and it should take about 2 hours.
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Ah. How inconvenient.
[08:11] <Fujitsu> OK.
[08:12] <BjornT> yeah, it's too bad that lp has to be taken down for so long, but sometimes it's necessary :(
[08:13] <Fujitsu> It seems to be rather frequent, unfortunately.
[08:13] <stub> Growing and improving fast - goes with the territory.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Perhaps.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: maybe the timeouts wont be so awful, after this update?
[08:20] <Fujitsu> I was, however, planning do to a lot of bug stuff tonight.
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90791 in malone "`Nominate for Release' leads to plaintext error when not logged in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90791
[08:34] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you've not been using LP, or have just been lucky?
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Just been lucky.
[08:34] <Fujitsu> I've been using it a fair bit, though not as much as normal.
[08:56] <mantiena> Hi all
[09:00] <mdke> what's the reason that the beta testers group is subscribed to bug 82344? Can it be unsubscribed please?
[09:01] <stub> Anyone in the team should be able to unsubscribe it once launchpad is back up
[09:01] <mantiena> ;)
[09:01] <mdke> stub: I tried that a couple of days back
[09:01] <mdke> didn't work
[09:02] <stub> that would be a bug then. I can sort it once the system is back onlin.
[09:02] <stub> e.
[09:02] <mdke> I'll try again and check when that happens
[09:03] <mantiena> Anyone knows there will be fixed ability to register new distro release/milestone when launchpad will be back online ? Almost 2 years I'm waiting while this will be fixed...
[09:07] <carlos> morning
[09:09] <mdke> morning carlos 
[09:09] <mdke> how's the import going?
[09:13] <carlos> launchpad is down for admin tasks, so I don't know it's status right now
[09:15] <mdke> I didn't really mean right now, just in general
[09:16] <carlos> well, yesterday, we deployed an improvement to make it faster
[09:16] <carlos> and seems like it worked
[09:18] <carlos> mdke: for instance, yesterday we imported more than 6000 entries vs 4000 from Wednesday (without the optimisation)
[09:18] <mdke> whoosh
[09:19] <mdke> sounds good
[09:19] <carlos> all are more or less the same size as we have been importing KDE translations 
[09:19] <carlos> and those are huge
[09:19] <mdke> carlos: is there a plan to open translation earlier next release? As you know, Ubuntu is already in string freeze now, it doesn't make much sense to be in string freeze before translation is possible
[09:19] <carlos> yeah, Danilo did a good job hunting that problem
[09:20] <carlos> mdke: we had a meeting with users on Wednesday and we had the compromise to open Feisty + 1 around 4 months before release
[09:21] <mdke> I think that would be great
[09:21] <carlos> We will publish that as part of Ubuntu schedule to have a fixed date
[09:21] <mdke> very good idea
[09:21] <Odd_Bloke> Is there a name for Feisty+1 yet?
[09:21] <mdke> the key is to have all upstream translations imported before then
[09:22] <mdke> so that people aren't translating stuff which is done upstream
[09:22] <mdke> if that can be done, the earlier the better for opening Ubuntu translation :) 4 months sounds great
[09:22] <mdke> Odd_Bloke: no
[09:24] <carlos> mdke: well, probably, we will have it open before those 4 months, but 'hidden' until all imports are done and the strings aren't changing so much
[09:24] <mdke> carlos: sounds ideal
[09:25] <carlos> mdke: Btw, do you want to talk about ubuntu-docs' templates once launchpad is back?
[09:26] <mdke> carlos: when is it coming back?
[09:26] <carlos> that way, I will leave it ready  because the imports should finish between today and this weekend
[09:26] <carlos> (depends on what's pending)
[09:26] <carlos> it was supposed to be down for two hours
[09:26] <mdke> I need to go to work in about half an hour
[09:26] <carlos> starting one hour ago
[09:27] <carlos> ok, then, let's talk this afternoon
[09:27] <mdke> I'll be at work then too :) But I will email you
[09:27] <carlos> ok
[09:27] <carlos> thanks
[10:02] <mrevell> Znarl: ping
[10:44] <mpt> mantiena, that we don't let people register distributions and releases whenever they like is by design
[10:45] <mpt> If you want to register one, probably the best person to talk to is kiko-afk (when he's no longer afk)
[11:36] <Fujitsu> Is beta meant to be OOPSing every couple of requests?
[11:44] <carlos> Fujitsu: no, it shouldn't 
[11:44] <carlos> Fujitsu: is it a timeout oops ?
[11:44] <carlos> could you give us the OOPs number?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> carlos: awww, call it a feature.  it's certainly happening often enough :P
[11:45] <Fujitsu> carlos: it's being discussed in #ubuntu-devel... Everything OOPSes regularly, including stylesheets. I hear that people are already looking into it.
[11:45] <carlos> ok
[11:50] <Seveas> Fujitsu, not people: "Top Men"
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Seveas: Oh yes, of course.
[11:59] <jamesh> Fujitsu: stub says he's fixed the problem.  If you still see these OOPS's, please shout
[11:59] <jamesh> and give an OOPS ID
[12:00] <Fujitsu> jamesh: It does seem to be substantially more reliable now. Thanks.
[12:19] <mpt> stub, I'm getting an OperationalError for any page
[12:21] <Fujitsu> Ooooh, tracebacks.
[12:21] <Fujitsu> Database errors... Sounds pleasant.
[12:21] <mruiz> yes... LP goes down!
[12:22] <mruiz> Oops!
[12:23] <Fujitsu> Bug pages/searches seem to give OOPS+traceback, others seem to give OperationalErrors.
[12:23] <mpt> You get an Oops? Luxury!
[12:24] <mruiz> sure, mpt 
[12:24] <mpt> ooh, 503
[12:24] <mpt> This is like spin-the-bottle
[12:25] <Fujitsu> I got a nice dump of a failed SQL statement, then a DB connection failure.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't it really not be giving me such info?
[12:25] <mruiz> mpt, Fujitsu : now works fine!
[12:25] <mpt> Fujitsu, yes, that's a bug, but I can't give you the bug number for obvious reasons
[12:25] <mruiz> :)
[12:25] <Fujitsu> mpt: Heheh.
[12:26] <mpt> So, bedtime
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Night, mpt.
[12:38] <mantiena> mpt: I have baltix distribution registered  more than one year and I'm owner of this distro (look at http://launchpad.net/baltix )
[12:39] <mantiena> mpt: previously I had the ability to register new milestones, but few months I don't have this
[01:00] <Kmos> fabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ -> why isn't archiving logs ?
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90809 in launchpad "Launchpad should run with standard_conforming_strings=on in postgresql.conf" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90809
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90823 in launchpad "personal packages page not reachable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90823
[02:09] <salgado> stub, ping
[02:10] <stub> salgado: pong
[02:12] <salgado> stub, staging doesn't seem to have been updated to the latest production branch
[02:15] <stub> salgado: I just rebuilt it
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90828 in rosetta "Deprecated AbiWord templates should be removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90828
[02:17] <salgado> stub, right, but what about the code update? will it happen soon?
[02:18] <statik> hey launchpad
[02:22] <stub> salgado:  I just did it
[02:27] <salgado> stub, sorry for bothering... I was expecting to find a specific revision there but it hasn't been cherry picked --I didn't even requested it to be
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90846 in malone "Please include the complete changelog on the <srcpkg>/+changelog page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90846
[03:36] <smurf> *Grumble* cf. OOPS-443BA341
[04:00] <daviey> How often does +topcontributors get updated?
[04:04] <salgado> daviey, daily, as with all karma counts
[04:06] <daviey> sure?
[04:06] <daviey> 'cause i aint showing
[04:08] <salgado> daviey, ubuntu/+topcontributors, I guess? what's your name?
[04:08] <daviey> my "Specification Tracking" = 4606 and the lowest on the chart = 2969;  If it does get updated daily then it would appear a bug
[04:08] <pochu> daviey: but your spec tracking can be of more places than ubuntu ;)
[04:08] <daviey> ahhh
[04:08] <salgado> you have 4606 in total, doesn't mean it's all from ubuntu
[04:08] <salgado> right
[04:08] <pochu> same with bug tracking, translations, and support
[04:09] <daviey> I'll cry
[04:09] <ddaa> daviey: do you know who keeps fiddling with the svn details in wengophone/2.1?
[04:09] <daviey> no, why would i?
[04:10] <ddaa> because you are a member of the wengophone-developers team, aren't you?
[04:10] <daviey> no
[04:10] <ddaa> sorry then
[04:10] <daviey> np
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #1803 in malone "Mail the reporter of a bug" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1803
[04:11] <ddaa> oh, I meant to ask dneary, not you
[04:11] <ddaa> dneary: do you know who keeps fiddling with the svn details of wengophone/2.1?
[04:12] <pochu> ddaa: hehe :)
[04:12] <ddaa> daviey: the first and last letter of a word are the most important, you can shuffle up all the other letters and the text remains understandable
[04:12] <ddaa> there's a text somewhere on the web that demonstrate that, it's amazing
[04:14] <dneary> hi ddaa
[04:14] <dneary> ddaa: No
[04:14] <ddaa> nevermind then
[04:14] <dneary> But I think it might be akylyn
[04:14] <dneary> When you say "fiddling", what do you mean?
[04:14] <ddaa> it just that I have to repeatedly set it back to DONTSYNC
[04:14] <ddaa> the third time it starts to get tedious...
[04:15] <dneary> ah
[04:15] <ddaa> for the record, launchpad does not import non-trunk branches
[04:15] <dneary> ok
[04:16] <daviey> ddaa,  depends on your belief.  Shape is often more important - http://wordshape.notlong.com/
[04:16] <ddaa> not belief, empirical evidence
[04:21] <ddaa> http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/
[04:21] <statik> wow, translations is really slow today
[04:23] <daviey> ddaa, i agree - it's both
[04:24] <ddaa> daviey: I'd be interested in convincing evidence that the shape of the word matters nearly as much
[04:24] <ddaa> but I have not seen any this far
[04:25] <ddaa> it would be a cool hack to have a script that does the mangling automatically
[04:25] <ddaa> should be a dozen lines of python
[04:26] <daviey> ddaa, back to work eh?
[04:26] <ddaa> daviey: do not distract me ;)
[04:58] <gnomefreak> yes?
[04:58] <Kmos> gnomefreak: so my crash report was good? =)
[04:58] <statik> heh, there is a link to list all the people that launchpad knows about. that is a lot of pages of people
[04:58] <gnomefreak> Kmos: iirc yes it was
[04:58] <gnomefreak> Kmos: did i mark it as a dupelicate of bug 72018 by chance?
[04:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018 - Assigned to Alexander Sack (asac)
[04:58] <Kmos> No..
[04:59] <gnomefreak> Kmos: can i have bug # again please
[04:59] <Kmos> gnomefreak: 90621
[04:59] <gnomefreak> bug 90621
[04:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90621 in firefox "Firefox crashed.." [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90621 - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[04:59] <gnomefreak> ty looking now
[05:00] <gnomefreak> Kmos: ok give me a sec i remember this one now, I wanted someone to look at this. When he gets freed up ill give it to him
[05:01] <Kmos> gnomefreak: ok
[05:02] <gnomefreak> i just pinged him about it. he will look when free, I might have to rerun retrace on it or find a better way. is it still crashing?
[05:02] <Kmos> it crashs all the time
[05:03] <Kmos> by day firefox is crashing so much
[05:03] <gnomefreak> Kmos: you know how to use gdb command?
[05:03] <Kmos> with this one, i think it's the second report crash i submit
[05:04] <Kmos> I don't know how to reproduce it
[05:04] <gnomefreak> ah yes oops
[05:04] <gnomefreak> ok brb let me look at something
[05:04] <gnomefreak> not on this bug report you didnt
[05:06] <Kmos> gnomefreak: not this bug.. another :)
[05:06] <Kmos> lol
[05:06] <gnomefreak> Kmos: same crash?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> Kmos: give me bug # of the other one please
[05:07] <Kmos> can't remember 
[05:08] <Kmos> i will look at my account
[05:10] <Kmos> it isn't at reported at my account
[05:10] <Kmos> you like thunderbird too ? =)
[05:10] <Kmos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/80964
[05:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80964 in mozilla-thunderbird "mozilla thunderbird open certificate crash" [Medium,Unconfirmed]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> Kmos: i am part of the mozillateam i do all mozilla product
[05:11] <Kmos> :)
[05:11] <gnomefreak> pochu: ty :)
[05:11] <pochu> gnomefreak: but pochu doesn't where to find a certificate xD
[05:12] <pochu> the url in the bug report is a fake :)
[05:12] <Kmos> i've done it
[05:12] <gnomefreak> Kmos: that one might take us time
[05:12] <pochu> www.validcertificates.com/validcertificate.extension hehehe
[05:12] <gnomefreak> Kmos: i need to look into that further (alot)
[05:12] <Kmos> gnomefreak: i give you one
[05:12] <gnomefreak> pochu: no need to try to reproduce it
[05:12] <pochu> gnomefreak: oks :)
[05:12] <Kmos> http://www.clustercube.com/clustercube.com.crt
[05:12] <Kmos> try this one
[05:13] <gnomefreak> Kmos: can you give me exact steps to reproduce it. there is one already upstream about this and i want to make sure its the same. please report steps to bug
[05:13] <Kmos> that's the one I used
[05:13] <gnomefreak> Kmos: ok i just added it to my to-do-when-i-get-time-list
[05:13] <Kmos> I clicked on open location and put "http://www.host.com/valid_certificate.com.crt" there and after it crashed..
[05:14] <Kmos> maybe it's a GTK bug
[05:14] <gnomefreak> Kmos: i will know as soon as we get the -dbgsym built. should be by next week
[05:14] <Kmos> because I talked to a irc friend about it, and he had the same problem at firefox
[05:14] <Kmos> :-)
[05:15] <gnomefreak> Kmos: i will look into it some more later today i have a couple of meetings to be in today
[05:15] <Kmos> ok
[05:15] <Kmos> thx
[05:17] <Kmos> pochu: Preferences -> Privacy
[05:17] <Kmos> pochu: Preferences -> Privacy -> Security
[05:17] <Kmos> :)
[05:18] <pochu> looking :)
[05:18] <gnomefreak> Kmos: that link is no good i get a 404 on it
[05:18] <gnomefreak> http://www.host.com/valid_certificate.com.crt
[05:18] <gnomefreak> that one
[05:18] <Kmos> http://www.clustercube.com/clustercube.com.crt
[05:18] <Kmos> use this one
[05:18] <gnomefreak> k
[05:19] <pochu> Kmos: should I download it and then import it?
[05:20] <Kmos> pochu: no.. click on open location at gtk dialog
[05:20] <Kmos> after put it in the input box
[05:20] <pochu> I have buttons :S
[05:20] <Kmos> you need to click on open location
[05:20] <Kmos> some icon
[05:21] <Kmos> on the left i think
[05:21] <gnomefreak> i dont have open location either
[05:21] <Kmos> "type a filename""
[05:21] <pochu> gnomefreak: I've found it
[05:21] <Kmos> the icon on the left
[05:21] <pochu> gnomefreak: left upper corner
[05:21] <pochu> a button
[05:21] <pochu> no crash xD
[05:22] <gnomefreak> icon where?
[05:22] <gnomefreak> upper left corner of what?
[05:22] <pochu> gnomefreak: gtk dialog to open the file
[05:22] <Kmos> import
[05:22] <gnomefreak> the security
[05:22] <pochu> gnomefreak: security>view certificates
[05:22] <pochu> >import
[05:22] <pochu> >icon :)
[05:23] <pochu> crash!!
[05:23] <pochu> yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
[05:23] <pochu> hehe
[05:23] <Kmos> :P
[05:23] <Kmos> lol
[05:23] <gnomefreak> oh the nautilus one
[05:23] <gnomefreak> than just add http://www.clustercube.com/clustercube.com.crt to it?
[05:23] <pochu> gnomefreak: view certificates>other certificates>import>icon>url>crash!
[05:23] <pochu> gnomefreak: yes, but not on "my certificates"
[05:23] <pochu> in "other people certificates"
[05:23] <pochu> or something like that
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ok i think i got it
[05:24] <gnomefreak> so of a bit
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ] ok goody
[05:24] <pochu> gnomefreak, Kmos: how large is your inbox? more than 5k messages?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> i have test case now
[05:24] <pochu> gnomefreak: :)
[05:25] <Kmos> pochu: 4 messages right now in one mail
[05:25] <Kmos> and 3 on another
[05:25] <Kmos> :)
[05:25] <pochu> :S
[05:28] <pochu> gnomefreak: do I confirm the bug?
[05:28] <gnomefreak> no
[05:29] <gnomefreak> pochu: im working on a testcase atm
[05:29] <pochu> gnomefreak: ok :)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ok uploading crash report atm and will see what we can do thank you
[05:33] <Kmos> :))
[05:34] <Kmos> i'll have credits? 
[05:34] <Kmos> hehehehe
[05:35] <gnomefreak> are you guys both on edgy?
[05:35] <Kmos> Yes :)
[05:35] <gnomefreak> ok i will play in edgy chroot with it later but crash happens on feisty as well
[05:35] <Kmos> yeah
[05:36] <Kmos> you can mark it as confirm
[05:36] <statik> bac: available to talk about file downloads?
[05:36] <Kmos> *confirmed
[05:36] <gnomefreak> Kmos: no i cant yet
[05:37] <bac> sure
[05:37] <gnomefreak> Kmos: mozillateam has a differnet way of working bugs :)
[05:37] <bac> statik: you want to call me
[05:37] <statik> bac: sure
[05:39] <Kmos> gnomefreak: ok
[05:39] <pochu> gnomefreak: feisty here
[05:39] <gnomefreak> ok i will have to run it in a few more testcases to make sure its 100% on edgy and feisty i will run dapper also i think
[05:40] <pochu> good luck then ;)
[05:40] <pochu> gnomefreak: if you have any other links, I can test here in Feisty
[05:40] <gnomefreak> ill let you know
[05:41] <Yannig> Hello
[05:41] <Yannig> Something new about Feisty templates import?
[05:44] <Yannig> carlos maybe? :)
[05:44] <carlos> Yannig: just that the import is much faster now after some changes we did
[05:45] <carlos> 11000 files to go...
[05:45] <carlos> (from 79-80000)
[05:45] <Yannig> Fair enough
[05:46] <Yannig> So it should be finished by the end of the week-end or more?
[05:48] <carlos> current rates says that sometime between Saturday/Sunday
[05:49] <Yannig> Great :)
[05:49] <carlos> although we got an OpenOffice import, which will take a couple of days too, but that will not delay Feisty opening
[05:49] <Yannig> Something I'm not pretty sure you're the one to ask to...
[05:49] <carlos> tell me
[05:51] <Yannig> You may remember I told you about a problem we have for OpenOffice: it's translated into Occitan in Launchpad but it's in English on my computer
[05:51] <Yannig> All Ubuntu has our Occitan translations but OpenOffice :P
[05:56] <Yannig> I think you told me I had to re-compile I don"t remember what.
[05:56] <Yannig> When I understand what, I'll be able to do it but can't we consider this as a bug?
[06:10] <Yannig> I have to go, sorry
[06:10] <Yannig> Thanks for the information carlos
[06:10] <Yannig> See you :)
[06:25] <btse> @schedule
[07:15] <pochu> do you know guys know in LP.net/ubuntu/version/+source/package/version, the tabs doesn't have links?
[07:15] <pochu> for example -> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/amule/2.1.3-1ubuntu2
[07:19] <gnomefreak> i now see that. maybe the tabs are not needed since there are no builds recorded?
[07:19] <matsubara> pochu: that's bug 83994
[07:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83994 in launchpad "Unavailable tabs should look unclickable" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83994 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[07:20] <pochu> matsubara: ty :)
[08:47] <Kmos> gnomefreak: i've firefox-dbg installed, if one day it crashs it will have all symbols ?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> Kmos: should
[08:47] <Kmos> i don't need to run any command for that
[08:47] <Kmos> i'll try a crash when I try to open pdf files with it
[08:47] <Kmos> it always crash =)
[08:48] <Kmos> i've adobe reader 7 installed from repos
[08:48] <Kmos> does feisty has adobe reader 8 ?
[08:52] <gnomefreak> Kmos: no i dont think so
[08:52] <gnomefreak> what is the name of the package?
[08:56] <Kmos> gnomefreak: of adobe reader 7 ?
[08:57] <Kmos> acroread
[08:57] <flacoste> did we increase the font size on beta?
[08:57] <flacoste> I just upgraded to Edgy (firefox 2.0) and the content font size is now fine?
[08:58] <Kmos> gnomefreak: when I open pdf it crash and don't generate any report
[08:59] <Kmos> i'm installing now mozilla-acroread
[09:03] <gnomefreak> Kmos: i think they pulled acroread out of repos as of feisty. i remember this question before
[09:05] <Kmos> gnomefreak: sudo apt-cache search adobe reader
[09:05] <Kmos> don't give you nothing ?
[09:06] <Kmos> that's nice, i found a firefox bug
[09:06] <gnomefreak> Kmos: no and mozilla-acroread isnt in any of the repos
[09:06] <Kmos> if there is no mozilla-acroread package installed, if you try to open a .pdf file it crash, but don't give you any crash report
[09:06] <gnomefreak> Kmos: if its a crash file bug give me #
[09:07] <gnomefreak> Kmos: than its closing not crashing, there is a report or 6 on that already i think
[09:07] <Kmos> it don't give me any crash report
[09:08] <Kmos> now i installed mozilla-acroread and it open the pdf
[09:08] <Kmos> it just freeze, if mozilla-acroread isn't installed
[09:08] <Kmos> and I need to kill it
[09:08] <Kmos> and restore session
[09:08] <gnomefreak> Kmos: there are a ton of apps to open them, iirc mozilla-acroread was replaced with something but i would have to look into it
[09:09] <Kmos> at edgy it's the problem.. without mozilla-acroread installed it freeze's
[09:09] <Kmos> feisty really don't know
[09:09] <gnomefreak> Kmos: because firefox has no clue how to open it. go into prefferences there should be a section on how firefox handles certain files
[09:09] <Kmos> try to open http://www.sbi.bio.br/boletins/BOLETIM83.pdf
[09:10] <gnomefreak> Kmos: if you have a link with a pdf handy ill tell you what ff does in feisty
[09:10] <Kmos> Kmos: because firefox has no clue how to open it. but if there's another file it tell me to choose a program.. it don't say nothing, just freeze
[09:10] <gnomefreak> its downloading to open it
[09:11] <Kmos> it used adobe reader?
[09:11] <gnomefreak> tell you in a minute 
[09:11] <Kmos> don't download it
[09:11] <Kmos> put in the address bar
[09:11] <gnomefreak> Evince opened it
[09:11] <Kmos> :)
[09:13] <gnomefreak> i used document viewer(default) whent he download dialog poped up (its set to that by default here)
[09:14] <Kmos> :)
[10:05] <gnomefreak> Kmos: you still here?
[10:15] <Kmos> gnomefreak: yep
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Kmos: what was the bug number for your tb issue? i lost it
[10:19] <Kmos> bug 80964
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80964 in mozilla-thunderbird "mozilla thunderbird open certificate crash" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80964 - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:21] <Keybuk> help, I need a duckie! :p
[10:21] <Keybuk> put the wrong version number in a product release, and it won't let me change it
[10:50] <firefly2442> Are there any plans to implement a messageboard/forum in launchpad?
[10:50] <firefly2442> This would be nice for collaboration between developers
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90969 in launchpad "not possible to set tags via malone e-mail interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90969
[11:02] <ddaa> anybody else thinks that forums in launchpad would be a good idea?
[11:03] <beuno> ddaa: only if they are connected with ubuntuforums.org
[11:03] <beuno> I think adding a new one would duplicate efforts
[11:03] <ddaa> that's an interesting point
[11:03] <gnomefreak> its a good idea IMHO
[11:04] <ddaa> personally, I have never seen forums used as tool for communication between developers
[11:04] <ddaa> developers tend to be very busy people and favor mailing lists
[11:04] <gnomefreak> true
[11:04] <beuno> ddaa: true, but the users to use it, so maybe it's a good place to see what users are talking about for a specific bug, and what workarounds they've been givin
[11:04] <ddaa> beuno: the answers tracker is intended to do that
[11:05] <lifeless> ddaa: the reprap devs seem to prefer forums
[11:05] <Fujitsu> The developers I know all loathe fora. Mailing lists are better.
[11:05] <ddaa> lifeless: reprap?
[11:05] <lifeless> ddaa: open hardware 3d printer
[11:05] <beuno> ddaa: yes, but to common users *use* launchpad?
[11:05] <gnomefreak> i personally think a LP forum would be a great idea atleast more controled than ubuntuforums
[11:05] <beuno> this would bring the best of both worlds, create a new thread for each bug  :D
[11:05] <ddaa> beuno: the point of the answer tracker is to give a place for common users to chime in
[11:06] <lifeless> beuno: yes they do
[11:06] <ddaa> personally, I find forums an horrible medium
[11:06] <gnomefreak> ddaa: i dont use them because of the crap on them
[11:06] <ddaa> but I reckon that ubuntuforums is a great knowledge base
[11:06] <ddaa> google often leads me there
[11:07] <beuno> well, 250k+ users on them seem to disagree ddaa  :p
[11:07] <ddaa> about half the tips I find there are wrong at some level, but it's still a great help.
[11:07] <lifeless> AIUI we're planning more integration with ubuntuforums rather than lp specific forums
[11:08] <ddaa> beuno: numbers are irrelevant
[11:08] <lifeless> but it may be we need forums for the non-ubuntu projects on launchpad
[11:08] <ddaa> beuno: something about the majority of german voters in the early forties amply demonstrated that.
[11:08] <lifeless> whoa
[11:08] <beuno> ddaa: I agree, I'm just a big forum user  :D
[11:08] <lifeless> this thread is dead
[11:09] <ddaa> lifeless: I'm not calling anybody fascist :)
[11:09] <ddaa> just pointing out that a lot of people can be wrong, and sometimes for good reasons
[11:10] <beuno> ddaa: I absolutely agree, but it's not opinions we're measuring here, but actual user usage, right?
[11:10] <Fujitsu> I'd hope that the forums would be implemented only as a last resort (ie. after every other conceivable feature), if ever.
[11:10] <beuno> si if you've got over 250k+ users using the forums, they seem to be an important tool, right?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> important or just for chatter?
[11:11] <ddaa> beuno: if only 0.1% of all developers want to go within 1 mile of a forum, it's not a good tool for bridging communication barriers
[11:11] <ddaa> and launchpad is about bridges
[11:11] <beuno> ddaa: agreed
[11:11] <ddaa> I kinda like the approach of the answer tracker
[11:12] <ddaa> it look enough like a forum for users not be afraid of it
[11:12] <beuno> maybe adding relevant forum threads to bugs?  just links?
[11:12] <ddaa> and it looks enough NOT like a form, for devel not to be afraid of it :)
[11:12] <beuno> it would be manually, but maybe it would be a comprimise and easy to implement
[11:13] <ddaa> beuno: that might be a good idea. lifeless said something about integration with ubuntuforums, I'm not aware of this plan, but generally any plan in launchpad involves linking with bugs :)
[11:14] <beuno> ddaa: maybe the links could go both ways,  bug =>  link with thread and thread => link with bug?
[11:14] <beuno> integrate launchpad into de forums
[11:14] <ddaa> *shrug* well, maybe
[11:14] <beuno> it could show basic data like if the bug is solved
[11:14] <ddaa> I do not really want to feel about it, TBH
[11:14] <ddaa> s/feel/think/
[11:14] <beuno> and that would be a way to bridge users to developers, and not the other way around  :D
[11:14] <beuno> aah, ok
[11:15] <ddaa> beuno: I did not mean to be dismissive
[11:15] <ddaa> just pointing out I'm not the right person to be braindumping on.
[11:15] <ddaa> I take note there is substantial interest out there in better integration with ubuntuforums.
[11:15] <beuno> yeap yeap, not ofended, just followed through your question
[11:15] <beuno> maybe too much
[11:16] <ddaa> But as I do not use forums myself, and as I do develop on the bug tracker, I cannot really be pertinent.
[11:16] <ddaa> esp. since forums mostly give me the creeps (probably my fault)
[11:16] <beuno> ddaa: maybe a small meeting with ubuntu-geek would help?
[11:17] <beuno> there would have to be an API of some sort on launchpad's side to feed the info to ubuntuforums
[11:17] <beuno> and a "relevant forum threads" or "information" on launchpad itself
[11:17] <ddaa> beuno: you got a lead here
[11:18] <ddaa> beuno: if you can frame that problem in terms of "Launcphad API", you'll probably get more attention than if you frame it in terms of "forums in launchpad".
[11:18] <beuno> I'll take note of that
[11:19] <beuno> you think it's worth creating a specification in launchpad and start poking people?
[11:19] <ddaa> beuno: the way the spec tracker currently works, and considering that normal people do not have access to the internals
[11:19] <ddaa> it's probably better to leave launchpad speccing to employees
[11:20] <ddaa> but it's definitely worth discussing on launchpad-users
[11:20] <ddaa> at least, personally, I would not really know what to do with a user-submitted spec...
[11:20] <beuno> well, it's on your side then  :D
[11:21] <ddaa> well, I could elaborate on the why, but I'm not sure it would be very interesting
[11:21] <ddaa> but if you open the discussion on launcphad users
[11:22] <ddaa> you can easily attract attention
[11:22] <beuno> gotcha, email to the mailing list it is
[11:22] <beuno> I'll make sure to use "Launchpad API" a few times  :D
[11:22] <ddaa> try to start from the basics (what, who, why)
[11:22] <LaserJock> ddaa: could a user register a spec for LP?
[11:22] <ddaa> and not just to the implementation
[11:22] <LaserJock> ddaa: and just not use the Launchpad wiki
[11:23] <ddaa> LaserJock: presumably yes
[11:23] <ddaa> a launchpad spec could be on the ubuntu wiki and get all the good integration with notification to subscribers
[11:23] <ddaa> but it would be awkyard IMO
[11:23] <LaserJock> yeah, I came across that
[11:24] <ddaa> because of the public/private aspect
[11:24] <ddaa> also because the launchpad spec workflow is probably very different to the ubuntu spec workflow
[11:24] <LaserJock> but initially it could be done on the Ubuntu wiki (or anywere) and then moved to the LP wiki once it gets to the LP side?
[11:25] <ddaa> LaserJock: I could imagine that, it would probably turn into two specs actually
[11:25] <ddaa> that would get awkyard
[11:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:26] <ddaa> Actually, I think that sucks
[11:26] <ddaa> I wish we had a self contained spec tracker, where specs could have public and restricted sections
[11:26] <ddaa> that would make this sort of situation much more manageable
[11:26] <LaserJock> it'd be cool if you could just have wiki macros that would make certain parts private
[11:27] <kiko> ddaa, we're moving in that direction
[11:30] <kiko> cool!
[11:30] <kiko> I love deletion
[11:30] <ddaa> kiko: it's turning out a huge can of worms, as expected
[11:30] <beuno> ok, I'll write the email as clearly and discussion-inducing as possible  :p
[11:30] <ddaa> yay! that's the spirit
[11:31] <beuno> ddaa: I'm learning!
[11:31] <ddaa> online communication is hard
[11:31] <Fujitsu> Do Launchpad and delete go together in the same sentence!? I didn't think they did.
[11:31] <ddaa> Fujitsu: working on it...
[11:32] <kiko> Fujitsu, we try harder
[11:32] <ddaa> beuno: sometimes you need to hold back on some ideas you have, so people do not start focusing on small details from the beginning.
[11:33] <beuno> yeah, usually just makes things go in circles instead of forward
[11:33] <beuno> it's hard to choose with which ones to go though
[11:35] <ddaa> often, it pays off to start very general (the what), then get to yours ideas about how when people challenge you with something like "that's an interesting idea" :)
[11:35] <ddaa> which actually means "yeah right, but how do you propose doing it?"
[11:36] <ddaa> if people actually have some ideas about how, they get a chance to say them before you lay down your plan
[11:37] <beuno> ddaa: it's the first time I've hear/seen it layed out so clearly, I completely agree
[11:37] <beuno> let's see how it goes  ;)
[11:38] <ddaa> best of luck
[11:39] <beuno> thanks, and I expect you will help me make the idea clearer if I don't do a good job  :p
[11:42] <ddaa> lifeless: you can get out from under this rock
[11:42] <ddaa> nobody got flamed
[11:42] <beuno> hahah
[11:42] <beuno> it's time to go home, thanks for the guidance ddaa  :D
[11:43] <beuno> I try to take the best out of everything!
[11:43] <beuno> and you did point me to the right direction so...
[11:44] <ddaa> I'm not exactly know for communication skils in this company...
[11:44] <ddaa> actually, when I got in, I was very good at making people angry.
[11:44] <lifeless> ddaa: actually, you are known for you communication skills :)
[11:44] <ddaa> hu
[11:44] <ddaa> yeah, right... in a "don't do that" sort of way
[11:44] <beuno> lol
[11:45] <beuno> ok ok, I'm really out
[11:45] <beuno> g'night everyone
[11:53] <bdmurray> matsubara: sorry about that duplicate bug I submitted
[11:54] <matsubara> bdmurray: np. when reporting bugs about malone, use the malone product though.
[11:55] <bdmurray> matsubara: okay, sounds good.
[11:55] <matsubara> bdmurray: the same about about the other parts of launchpad, we have a product for blueprint, launchpad-bazaar, rosetta and so on.