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[12:52] infinity: what was up? === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans__ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-88dea5508e96366d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-088-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.cable.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] Riddell: A bit of a hiccup on drescher, s'all. [01:13] infinity: Hi. Any progress on the HASH bug in the buildds? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AFD38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] keescook: gnupg2 2.0.3 was released today (primarly including a patch for the gnupg security problem). I've already new packages ready. [01:30] Should I try to get an UVF exception for it? [01:32] geser: yeah, go for it. [01:33] I need to do the gnupg2 backports still, but it's currently a lower priority than other stuff [01:36] the security announcement also provides a patch for gpgme 1.1.3 [01:36] but we still have gpgme 0.3.16 (first uploaded to warty) :( [01:37] geser: there's also gpgme1.0 [01:37] that would explain why it's so old :) === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pax [n=pax@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] tfheen: How many packages would fall under [01:45] tfheen: sorry, wrong question... copy/paste error... just wanted to ping you about binary only removals, thx === TomB_ [n=tomb@host217-44-151-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] tfheen: as in if ubuntu-archive came to a decision already === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond_ is now known as fbond === _jason [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBE1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryan [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=roivas@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@122.167.110.76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@host66.201-253-136.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === exobuzz [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.46.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-120.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.46.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] elkbuntu: have you considered openid for ubuntucounter? :P === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBE1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] Hello, anyone knows what has changed from Edgy to Feisty regarding virtual console (keymap,translations,...) ? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=roivas@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] anyone have experience with the Python bugtracker? [06:15] I found a typo in Python.... [06:15] >>> (1-24j)**34324324 [06:15] OverflowError: complex exponentiaion [06:16] it seems to have survived from python2.3 to 2.5, at least [06:22] what's wrong with that? [06:24] "exponentiaion" [06:25] Chipzz: are you a Python developer by any chance? ;-) [06:26] jdong: no, not at all :) [06:27] jdong: I was looking at the code instead of the line below ;) [06:27] hehe [06:27] silly me :P [06:27] found it while... err... traversing a polynomial for a real solution [06:28] (and of course it didn't have any) [06:28] brute-force attack? :) [06:28] of course :) [06:28] we got an e-mail a week and a half ago stating that spawning mathematica/matlab is not an acceptable algorithm anymore [06:28] the "anymore" part concerned me :D [06:29] heh [06:29] you really don't want to program in matlab anyway :P [06:29] I know, but when your assignment is to write an arbitrary matrix inverter, it's tempting. [06:30] especially since you know the validator has mathematica and matlab installed.... [06:30] from the little experience I have with matlab, it looks impossible to create a clean solution to certain problems [06:30] it's ok but not fantastic [06:30] simulink is cool though [06:30] realtime workshop.... click button and C code comes out [06:30] the lack of any kind of references sucks monkey balls [06:31] it's not that kind of programming language, lol === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] the problem I once had was a large matrix, and I needed to call a function which changed it quite a lot of times [06:33] ah [06:33] yeah then performance will blow [06:33] the solution to that is to give the matrix as a parameter, and return a copy of the modified version [06:33] yeah [06:33] it copies it every time [06:33] so [06:33] it was either that [06:33] or use a global variable [06:33] both solutions suck :P [06:34] well you're supposed to cave into global variable peer pressure [06:34] a reference type would have helped there [06:35] no. bad compiz. do that again and beryl's going back on. === jdong hates it when windows get stuck in infinite wobble-snap [06:36] jdong: I've only ever had that issue with Beryl. [06:36] Fujitsu: really? [06:37] compiz is doing that to me like every 1 of 10 times I maximize a terminal [06:37] with other maximized apps in the background [06:37] it simply wiggles forever [06:37] it's very annoying when trying to type into it [06:37] Hah. [06:37] it's like giving a directional derivatives lecture to a room of people with ADD. [06:37] A couple of weeks back, I made the mistake of shrinking a window slightly vertically. [06:38] It proceeded to bounce between the two ends for eternity. [06:38] "now you... you take the gradient.... the grad.. HEY SIT DOWN. STOP JUMPING" [06:38] ha, we should have a silly beryl tricks contest :) [06:39] submission #1: Compiz: [06:39] http://web.mit.edu/~jdong/www/wobble.ogg [06:39] got 3 windows to wobble indefinitely [06:39] and for some reason firefox started bouncing a bit too [06:39] Nice, jdong. [06:40] :) === jdong gets bored, and contemplates between sleeping or filing more wisecrack bugs === Chipzz goes to sleep [06:42] bug 54776 was pretty good.... despite it was a dupe :( [06:42] Malone bug 54776 in openoffice.org "font hinting does not work with libfreetype6 v. 2.2.1" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54776 [06:42] umm [06:42] bug 90636 [06:42] rather :) [06:42] Malone bug 90636 in openoffice.org "Openoffice fonts aren't blurry enough (dup-of: 54776)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90636 [06:42] Malone bug 54776 in openoffice.org "font hinting does not work with libfreetype6 v. 2.2.1" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54776 [06:47] oh for the love of libpthread, come up you stupid mailserver :( === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] Hobbsee: waah, make it work... poke my mailserver with your long pointy stick === Hobbsee pokes the mailserver with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [06:51] yay! [06:51] jdong: what's it doing? [06:51] Hobbsee: well apparently it's been fscking for the past 30 hours [06:52] fun [06:52] That's NOTHING. [06:52] snapshot.debian.net was fscking for a couple of months, I believe. [06:52] well... I was supposed to be getting 2 homework assignemnts thru e-mail [06:52] due tomorrow === pax_ [n=pax@ool-4579df6e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] and it's 1AM :( === jdong brews more coffee [06:53] Fujitsu: well, I shall see how long the mailserver takes.... apparently they've given up on fsck and are mounting it ro and copying everything onto a new RAID === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-78-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans__ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-8c8d547158208495] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] Good morning [08:10] Morgen pitti :) [08:10] hi pitti === pitti hugs tepsipakki and ajmitch [08:11] pitti: seems that I forgot to create the series-file for quilt in libxcb, crimsun fixed it [08:11] tepsipakki: ah, toss me a debdiff, then I'll upload [08:12] it's uploaded already, -1ubuntu2 === Hobbsee hugs pitti === fabbione wonders who did pull in libglade2/3 in main [08:15] glide even [08:16] installing those libraries is a moot point without a bunch of other stuff includeing the 3dfx kernel module [08:17] and they ask questions at install time that needs to be preseeded with sane defaults to be of any use [08:17] otherwise default install will suck [08:17] they were left out for a veeeeery good reason [08:18] tepsipakki: anyway you are doing a really good job up till now.. i am impressed [08:22] fabbione: thanks ;) [08:23] fabbione: libglide2/3 are in main? Seem to be in universe here.. [08:23] fabbione: how do you mean? glide source and binaries are in universe === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A93122.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] pitti: they have been pulled in by this morning update... might be a depends: change.. [08:37] tepsipakki: ^^ [08:38] this damn developers that needs stuff from universe.. [08:39] <_ion> Hi pitti [08:39] <_ion> Did you get my email? [08:39] fabbione: right, but there's no MIR, thus noone promotes it; it's just a broken Dependency then, I guess [08:40] _ion: yup, saw it, thank you! will merge and answer you [08:40] pitti: ok :) [08:40] <_ion> pitti: If you use bzr merge --pull, it will probably just pull the change, unless the branches have diverged, btw. === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] _ion: right, or just 'bzr pull' :) [08:43] <_ion> Yeah, that works if one already knows they haven't diverged. :-) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] argh, no LP === eXistenZ [n=existenz@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti throws the archive admin hat back into the corner then === mdke puts it on, just for fun === Zdra [n=zdra@56.179-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy puts on the hat; the White Spy subsequently drops a piano on his head. === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-9-46.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] <_ion> Hey, that's offensive! You must surely mean the Caucasian Intelligence Officer. === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] tepsipakki: just curious but won't the xcb patch lead to apps deadlocking instead of aborting them? [09:32] no, it will ignore the locking check altogether === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.51.188.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] tepsipakki: hmm... but isn't this assertion done just before locking (or unlocking) to prevent a deadlock? i don't see how that patch could do something good ;) [09:37] the links are there for reference, pitti just reversed the logic ;) [09:40] tepsipakki: ok... do we have the mesa patch btw? and the locking issue in gtk was fixed some hours ago fortunately :) [09:41] oh, do you have the link to the gtk-fix? === mvo [n=egon@p54A67E49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] what was that mesa patch again? [09:42] tepsipakki: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtk%2B/trunk/gdk/x11/gdkasync.c?r1=17436&r2=17435&pathrev=17436 [09:42] tepsipakki: i wanted to ask seb128 if he can include it with his next upload later [09:43] mvo: do you know a bit about python-notify? pynotify.defs has attach_to_status_icon(), but the .so doesn't [09:43] mvo: and I actually need this for restricted-manager [09:43] tepsipakki: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8521 [09:43] Freedesktop bug 8521 in GLX "AllocAndFetchScreenConfigs unlocks twice" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x503e778e.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] slomo_: you wanted that for dapper/edgy? [09:46] tepsipakki: hm? no [09:46] tepsipakki: i only wanted to know if we have this patch in feisty ;;) [09:46] that's in mesa-6.5.2 [09:46] which is in feisty [09:46] perfect [09:50] pitti: I haven't used that yet, but what about attach_to_widget? [09:51] mvo: a gtk.StatusIcon is not a widget [09:51] pitti: righ, you could just pack it into a eventbox to get a widget [09:52] mvo: yup, but how do I add the statusicon into it? [09:53] mvo: I think for precisely this problem libnotify has an attach_to_status_icon() :) [09:53] just the Python binding seems to be missing [09:53] pitti: some of the language-pack bits in http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/possible-conflicts/feisty/main.txt look like they just need extra Replaces [09:53] pitti: I'm done with the uploads [09:53] doko_: yay, thanks [09:54] cjwatson: ah, thanks; those are probably the ones that have never been updated since I added the misssing replaces [09:55] ok === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F752B1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] good morning === lfittl [n=lfittl@86.59.100.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] morning [10:04] pitti: I've started to look at the KDE packages waiting to NEW yesterday and I've questions about them [10:05] urgh, NEW? [10:05] does debian/copyright needs to list the copyright holders? [10:05] seb128: yes, it does [10:05] pitti: yeah, you know, where new source packages go [10:05] seb128: ah, you mean for feisty, not for the edgy-proposed thing [10:05] seb128: sorry, wrong mental context :) [10:05] np ;) [10:05] k, because they don't [10:06] another weird thing is [10:06] mvo: ah, simple bug, pynotify.c is not regenerated properly [10:06] aha [10:08] k, can't get it from NEW, will look later === delire [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-3916c1debd932619] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire_ [n=delire@lawn-128-61-118-174.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arre [n=ac@alchemist.openend.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono_ [n=jono@88-107-37-235.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddelll [n=jr@jasmine.wyrdweb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] wow, Riddell grew another 'l' :) [10:56] tepsipakki, mvo: so, can you please have a look at http://pastebin.ca/387387 if it looks sane for fglrx? [11:02] pitti, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.quality/browse_thread/thread/9d42950d1147e8ed [11:02] (don't know whether you're interested) [11:03] mpt: indeed I am, and I saw it this morning; unfortunately I'm at a concert tonight, but I'll join the next meeting [11:04] pitti: looks good [11:04] mpt: are you going to be listening in? [11:05] if nobody else can, I might, although the timing isn't good for me either [11:05] pitti: looks good === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ [11:05] tepsipakki, mvo: thanks === jdub_ [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ is now known as jdub === Riddell [n=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] cjwatson, sorry, I'll be busy being a weekend tourist guide [11:17] (and I probably couldn't contribute/understand much anyway, I iz just a UI designah) [11:23] Riddell: I just uploaded a new example-content and did some small changes - if you want to update Kubuntu related changes, I added the branch URL in XS-Vcs-Bzr [11:24] Riddell: or if you know somebody who'd like to do that (maybe kwwii?) [11:24] cjwatson, if you attend, be aware that Benjamin Smedberg's PT-to-UTC conversion isn't accurate [11:25] dholbach: did a lot change? [11:25] kwwii: no, I merely changed some occurences of 6.06 and 6.10 [11:26] kwwii: I just saw that the Kubuntu presentation has "Add Image Here" in it and still mentions powerpc [11:26] kwwii: and it's 3 times as big as the ubuntu one :) === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] dholbach: I'll look into that [11:31] kwwii: super [11:32] beta.lp sure is oopsing a LOT [11:35] Seveas: every 3rd HTTP request or so, it seems. [11:38] beta's working again? [11:38] hm, I had two 'oops -- no css -- looks normal' cycles now [11:38] ah, thanks for the notification Seveas :-) [11:39] pitti, the technical term for that is FOUC [11:39] Flash Of Unstyled Content [11:39] mpt: but certainly not for the oopses :) [11:39] The non-technical term is "Style sheet, I've waited too long for you to arrive, so I'm going to draw the page anyway" [11:40] True, not for the oopses [11:40] mpt: No, it's style-sheet, I got an OOPS page in return, so it's not valid, so I'm not going to render you. [11:40] Top Men are working on those [11:41] Fujitsu, I find it very difficult to believe that the style sheet would return an OOPS [11:41] we don't do any database queries for the style sheet :-) [11:41] It did. [11:41] Try it. [11:41] Refresh a few times. [11:41] You'll get one (/+icing/style.css, for example) [11:42] mpt: heh, good point [11:42] You get a nice beta-styled oops. [11:42] WOW [11:43] Or I've somehow managed to insert OOPS-433BD703 into the magical database. [11:43] haha [11:43] I was going to say "Loaded it ten times, no oopses" [11:43] mpt: Hah. [11:43] even mpt is suprised about LP - scary! [11:43] but then it oopsed at the bottom of the ninth [11:43] with bases loaded [11:43] mpt: Any idea what's happening!? [11:43] all your launchpad are belong to OOPS [11:43] Surely there's no DB-foo behind it... [11:43] Fujitsu, I said Top Men are working on it [11:43] "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance very very soon." [11:43] Honestly, do I look like a Top Man? [11:43] hmm, I thought it just came back? [11:44] mpt, yes [11:44] I don't even have any muscles. [11:44] mpt: Ah, didn't see that. [11:44] pitti: it did. it decided it didnt like life, so is in hiding again. [11:44] Hobbsee, lp has a marvin attitude? [11:44] Seveas: seems so... [11:45] Lp. DOn't talk to me about lp. [11:45] haha [11:45] I think you ought to know, I'm feeling very OOPS'ed [11:46] lol === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-39-9.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] OOPS has taken the BSOD top spot ;) === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-2a33c65a42378ae6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] pitti: I screwed up again, the python-kde package is missing the necessary new function and a symlink [11:54] pitti: which is all very annoying, it's not like I didn't test this stuff three times [11:54] pitti: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pykde.debdiff === KP202 [n=ach@cp106356-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] pitti: and http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept.debdiff [12:05] Riddell: looks fine [12:06] Riddell: not sure whether uploads will work, though, but just try :) [12:06] mm, but it looked fine last time. grump [12:06] thanks === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti waves to Keybuk [12:08] heyhey [12:08] Hi Keybuk. === Hobbsee waves to Keybuk too, and drops an anvil on pitti's head [12:09] ouch [12:09] Hobbsee: how did I earn that? [12:09] pitti: the lack of greeting from earlier :P [12:09] Riddell: your new KDE4 packages have no copyright holders listed to debian/copyright [12:09] Hobbsee: *big hug* [12:10] pitti: :D *big hug back* === Fujitsu runs off with the anvil. [12:10] kde4multimedia has files under the LGPL, it doesn't ship a copy of the text though [12:11] that is weird [12:11] " * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or [12:11] * modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public [12:11] * License version 2 as published by the Free Software Foundation. [12:11] ... [12:11] * You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public License [12:11] * along with this library; see the file COPYING.LIB. If not, write to [12:11] * the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor," [12:11] [12:11] is that normal to have file under the GPL with an indication of where to get the LGPL? [12:12] seb128: it's the same copying file as in the KDE 3 package [12:12] which probably hasn't changed much since KDE 0.1 === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DACF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] seb128: the 'a little bit more than lesser GPL'? === giftnudel [n=mb@x429.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] pitti: no, just wondering why it says the file is "under the terms of the GNU General Public" and mentions the "GNU Library General Public License" then [12:14] seb128: right, I noticed [12:14] that's from kdeadmin [12:16] oh joy I think I've deleted all the kde4* packages from my local hard disk [12:16] seb128: if you reject them can you put the sources somewhere I can get at them? [12:17] Riddell: I'm not going to reject them, I'm not comfortable enough on source NEW yet, I'll let tfheen or pitti do them [12:17] Riddell: I think you have to ship at least the LGPL text with the package [12:18] seb128: if debian/copyright does not have copyright holders, and the upstream license is wrong, then they need to be rejected [12:18] dunno if debian/copyright has to list the copyright holders, they don't [12:18] or point to it in common licences === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.151.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Riddell: no [12:18] but it's no worse than what's in the current KDE 3 packages in debian and ubuntu [12:18] Riddell: pointer is good for debian/copyright, but *not* for orig.tar.gz's [12:18] pitti: why not? [12:18] and dunno if source mentionning the GPL and then the LGPL is a problem to fix [12:18] oh, I see [12:19] seb128: can you put the sources somewhere I can get at them? [12:19] seb128: it's ok to license some parts as lgpl and some as gpl, but upstream's files have to tell which license applies in the file headers, and debian/copyright needs to list the various parts [12:21] pitti: could you have a look to kdeadmin, kuser/ku_usermodel.cpp for example? === pitti gives up doing SRUs and syncs due to LP being too broken [12:21] and let me know if you think it's correct [12:21] seb128: fetching [12:21] Riddell: will do [12:23] pitti: was supposed to be more fixed, too [12:23] seb128: looks fine to me, what's wrong wit it? [12:24] pitti: k, I was not sure about the file being GPL and then pointing to LGPL and COPYING.LIB (which is not shipped with the tarball) === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.223.21.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] Riddell: d/copyright also needs to point out which parts are under the docbook license [12:24] seb128: it's certainly weird that it's COPYING.LIB, and not COPYING; so if COPYING.LIB is the GPL, that's fine [12:25] seb128: oh, indeed that doesn't exist. that's wrong then [12:25] pitti: well, it's written "You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public License" [12:25] seb128: ah, you are right [12:25] this is completely screwed up then [12:25] seb128: sorry, I didn't read hard enough [12:26] np [12:27] pitti: since it's your archive day I'll let you reject the uploads if that's ok with you. Could you also copy them on chinstrap or somewhere for Riddell? [12:27] seb128: sure [12:27] thank you [12:29] pitti, seb128: by the way I care less about KDE 4 today than about libkexiv getting through NEW [12:29] Riddell: trying, depends on how much lp loves me [12:30] Riddell: ah, I though tfheen was going to do it since he said it was ok during the meeting [12:31] Riddell: I guess you want it in main; is there a MIR or is it a code splitout? [12:32] pitti: it's code that has been split out of the previous version of digikam [12:32] Riddell: ah, so main [12:32] yes please === Hobbsee wonders what the point of KDE4 is if MOTU is wanting to veto it going into universe, without uvfe's === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.151.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Riddell: libkexiv2 source-NEWed [12:35] pitti: thanks === gismo [n=stef@89.28.145.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/kde4/ [12:36] Riddell: I'll reject kde4network then, do you need another mail or is above IRC discussion enough? [12:37] Riddell: erm, s/network/admin/ [12:37] seb128: did you already check the other kde packages, too? [12:38] pitti: admin and multimedia [12:38] not the others [12:39] seb128: mm had the same problem or was ok? [12:39] is has problems [12:39] at least not shipping the LGPL text and no copyright holder [12:40] seb128: no copyright holder where? [12:41] pitti: irc is fine [12:42] Riddell: debian/copyright has no copyrights [12:42] seb128: Have you seen an issue with Edgy where icons for the Games don't show up in the menu and the update-notifier icon doesn't display either? [12:43] hmm, right === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] StevenK: no, looks like an outdated cache [12:45] brb === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [12:54] Riddell: kde4edu is hte same problem: missing COPYING.LIB and no copyright in debian/copyright; === cerbero_626 [n=kvirc@p213.54.182.217.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] pitti: ok [12:57] I'll need to fix this all upstream [12:57] which is not a-typical of KDE [12:57] right, probably the other sources have a similar problem [12:58] pitti: adept and pykde seem to be accepted into edgy-proposed ready for approval [12:58] Riddell: done [01:00] seb128: Your cache answer was spot-on, thanks. [01:00] StevenK: np === Eons [n=asd@host-84-220-118-229.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === supervillain [n=joelbrya@124.104.11.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] Riddell: which package provides kde-config? I need to rebuild skim for the Maintainer: change [01:03] hello, is apt-proxy secure? can I trust an apt-proxy server? [01:03] pitti: kdelibs4c2a [01:04] urgh, 20 MB deps just to rebuild a source package :/ [01:04] pitti: don't build it, just debuild -S and upload ;) [01:04] seb128: right, but even that needs kde-config, scons, and everything [01:05] ah [01:05] debuild -S shouldn't, only scons and cdbs [01:06] Riddell: scons -c is called in clean, that needs all the stuff [01:06] ah well, I guess there's a reason KDE dropped scons :) [01:06] Checking for the qt library : qt was not found [01:07] grr [01:07] I have libqt3-mt-dev [01:08] supervillain: ask the guys that wrote it? [01:08] tfheen: did you see that sync-request about discover-data? === juell [n=jga@p213.54.182.217.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cerbero_626 [n=kvirc@p213.54.182.217.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel === digitalspaghetti [n=digitals@host217-37-122-77.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-154-133-185.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@86.75.162.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549551D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] cjwatson: I just noticed that libgucharmap is NBS in feisty (gucharmap builds soname 6 now); do these packages need to be removed manually, or will you do it in a big wave at some point? [01:29] pitti: archive-cruft-check scans for that; feel free to remove stuff in there after a cursory check [01:29] (remove-package.py -m '(pitti) NBS' -b foo bar baz) === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] cjwatson: right, I checked rdepends in this case, I just wondered whether there was some automagic script for it [01:30] pitti: I generally give things at least a few days before removing them to make transitions less painful [01:30] pitti: archive-cruft-check for finding them, but nothing automatic for removing them [01:30] cjwatson: I think this one has been around for at least two weeks [01:30] erm, archive-cruft-check -n too, IIRC [01:30] cjwatson: ah, I see; alright, I'll clean up a little [01:30] I usually do archive-cruft-check -n | sed 's/,//g' to make it easier to paste bits of the output === Sp4rKy [n=maxenced@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_svolpe [n=Gerrath_@70.89.111.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] cjwatson: is there anything we need to do about the ASBA lines? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B26A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === digitalspaghetti [n=digitals@host217-37-122-77.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Time] === mbiebl [n=michael@e180066043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67E49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arre [n=ac@alchemist.openend.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] mvo: is update-manager the only place which prompts you to download and run the dist-upgrade tool in ubuntu? [01:48] Riddell: yes [01:48] Riddell: well, and update-notifier if a CD is inserted [01:48] Riddell: with a update image [01:48] mvo: how do you run dist-upgrade if there's no packages in the stable release to update and pop up the update-notifier icon? === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm109.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] Riddell: currently there is only update-manager. it could be made part of update-notifier I think, but that makes matters more complicated [01:52] Riddell: could you please fix kdemultimedia and juk to not b-dep on libtunepimp-bin any more? it's not built any more [01:52] pitti: ok [01:52] mvo: so if there's no stable release updates you can't run the dist-upgrade tool? [01:52] Riddell: (and rebuild kid3 if you like to keep it installable) [01:52] Riddell: thank you [01:52] Riddell: no, just just need to run it manually [01:53] mvo: from the command line? [01:53] Riddell: there is no notification in the tray [01:53] Riddell: from the menu [01:53] ah, right [01:53] thanks mvo [01:53] cjwatson: is it generally safe to remove all the older kernel ABI debs now? [01:54] Riddell: so far this was not a limitation === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74CEC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] mvo, i'v looked at displayconfig-gtk. My screen is missing from your MonitorsDB [01:58] mvo, where this file come from ? [01:58] pitti: can you nuke the asterisk upload to Feisty before publisher runs, or not? [01:58] Fujitsu: I think I can [01:58] Fujitsu: but it's not in accepted [01:59] kagou: its part of the source right now, displayconfig/ldetect-lst/MonitorsDB [01:59] It was uploaded about 10 minutes ago, I believe. === Hobbsee hasnt gotten an accepted mail for it yet either [01:59] mvo, yes but how did you have generated it ? [01:59] pitti: ignore ASBA, not much you can do about it [02:00] pitti: normally yes, though check that all the bits that need to be rebuilt for a new kernel ABI have been rebuilt [02:00] cjwatson: that is, d-i and ubiquity? [02:00] pitti: not ubiquity; linux-restricted-modules, linux-meta, linux-backports-modules, d-i [02:00] mvo, i'v an belinea.inf from windows driver, i will try to parse it and try to make a diff with your file [02:00] cjwatson: ah, ok; thanks [02:01] kagou: its taken from kde-guidance and they have it from Xconfigrator === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Artemis3 [n=artemis3@201.208.169.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] kwwii_: just a warning, various artwork packages depend on usplash-dev; this needs to be fixed to libusplash-dev [02:02] mvo, oh ! so may be i should make a diff for Xconfigurator. It's a better choice no ? [02:03] kagou: I'm not sure how active Xconfigrator is actually :) so a diff against the one in displayconfig-gtk is a saver choice for now. it should also go to the kde-guidance people [02:05] cjwatson: how do I check d-i? [02:05] ok mvo thanks === mbiebl [n=michael@e180066043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] pitti: where does one change that? [02:07] kwwii_: debian/control, 'Build-Depends:' [02:09] pitti: cool, thanks...dholbach will help me on that, I am sure :-) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] pitti, hmm, restricted manager doesnt do the right thing for me it seems ... intrestingly lsmod|grep fglrx doesnt show the module anymore now ... [02:22] ogra: --verbose, please [02:22]