=== Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ is now known as twanj === sbaush [n=sbaush@151.72.112.241] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sbaush [n=sbaush@151.72.112.241] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-088-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.cable.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AFD38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 [01:29] I saw that last night, LaserJock :) [01:29] oh dear === tsmithe is embarassed [01:30] ? [01:31] a song about "kill -9, no more cpu time" [01:31] ok.. [01:31] although incredibly catchy, is also incredibly nerdy :P === ajmitch sees the request about putting mostly-broken software that won't be supported post-release into feisty [01:32] where's that ajmitch ? === RAOF boggles [01:32] ajmitch: What's this? [01:32] LaserJock: kde4 thread on motu lisr [01:32] s/lisr/list/ [01:32] Ah, yes. [01:33] We need a special component, for which they take responsibility. [01:33] That way we can disown it completely/ [01:33] "ooh look, kde4 is out!" [01:33] "ZOMG its full of bugs!!!" [01:33] Prepare to drown in bugs! [01:34] as long as Riddell wants to take care of all the bugs :) [01:34] Presumably the MOTU Council has the power to destroy the idea if it is deemed evil enough === ajmitch shrugs [01:34] there are KDE 4 packages in edgy you know [01:35] It'll be like Beryl, but worse. [01:35] Riddell: there are? [01:36] rather early snapshots [01:36] exactly [01:36] Riddell: what use will having kde4 stuff in feisty be? [01:37] for people to test KDE 4 stuff with [01:37] from what I understand, APIs aren't frozen, so people wanting to develop on KDE4 wouldn't be suited with packages [01:37] that's true === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] hi sistpoty [01:38] hi ajmitch [01:38] Hi sistpoty. [01:38] hi Fujitsu [01:38] Riddell: I remember those fun days of kde 1.9x :) === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] seems like it'll be a big backports/SRU project [01:39] LaserJock: no, it'll just sit there & not get touched [01:39] So. I am looking at updating drupal to 5, and removing any references to php4. However, the drupal source package produces a drupal-4.7 binary package. If I was to create a new drupal source package and make a drupal-5.0 package, that would disown the 4.7 package of source, just like the original drupal binary package no longer has a source package. Thoughts? [01:39] we'll have users screaming bloody murder ;-) [01:39] funny to think that jono used to be a kde developer :) [01:40] TheMuso: something like that, if I follow [01:40] ajmitch: Well, I would have thought that wouldn't be the best idea. [01:41] Having binary packages that don't have a source package to associate to. [01:41] grml... spamassassin... seems like it thinks I'm spamming ubuntu-motu *g* [01:41] TheMuso: that's impossible, iirc [01:41] sistpoty: well, yes :) [01:41] hehe [01:41] ah, more MC mail :) [01:41] there are quite a few binary packages without corresponding source [01:41] ajmitch: why is that funny? [01:42] although they must be somewhere [01:42] Riddell: funny, because I think I remember talking to him on irc all those years ago [01:42] LaserJock: Eeeew. [01:42] LaserJock: aren't they dropped before release? [01:42] I don't think so [01:42] LaserJock: source will still be available [01:42] when we ask for a package to be removed ubuntu-archive just removes the source package [01:43] they don't remove the binaries too [01:43] they remove the source package from that release [01:43] Its impossible to get the source for the drupal 4.5 binary package, as the only drupal source package is for the drupal-4.7 binary package. [01:43] The corresponding source will not be removed until all binaries that reference it are removed, AFAIK. [01:43] Fujitsu: depending on soyuz bugs, I guess :) [01:43] True, true. [01:43] Drescher seems to have been hungry this past week [01:43] hmm, I've seen it done with several Science packages [01:43] but I'm sure I heard it had checks for all that [01:43] binaries but no source [01:44] but that was some time ago [01:44] So my dilemma is, I don't want to do the same thing for the drupal-4.7 binary package. === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] TheMuso: I don't understand the dilemma with drupal [01:45] we have drupal-4.7 [01:45] you want to update that to -5.0 [01:45] but you want to keep drupal-4.7 binary package around? [01:45] or you're afraid that it will be [01:46] Affraid that it will be, with no source packag. [01:46] package [01:46] is -4.7 in edgy? [01:46] don't think so afaik. Let me check [01:47] TheMuso: it should get cleaned up, like obsolete library packages are [01:47] nope [01:47] well, what do you all think about the general kde-uvf exceptoin? [01:47] yeah, I think -4.7 .debs should go away [01:47] drupal-4.7 is only in feisty [01:47] sistpoty: We were discussing it just before you arrived. [01:47] sistpoty: I'm not overly happy with it, but as Riddell pointed out, there's already kde4* packages in the archive (and in edgy) [01:48] Fujitsu: ah... *g* [01:48] ajmitch: well, I somehow have a bad feeling in my guts [01:48] Riddell: how many are there now? kde4base kde4libs [01:48] Ok, on that note, I'll just update to 5, and name the package drupal-5.0 [01:49] LaserJock: many more in NEW [01:49] sistpoty: I think that's a sign to drink more beer :) [01:49] hehe [01:49] TheMuso: btw, the source should always be available on LP :-) [01:49] you just won't be able to apt-get source it === Riddell beds [01:50] Night, Riddell. [01:50] bye Riddell [01:50] cya Riddell [01:50] LaserJock: Yeah thats what I've seen. [01:50] yay! let's put some more random experimental packages that everybody will want to try so that we get an even worse universe bugs SNR and a lot of angry users *evil grin* [01:50] g'night Riddell [01:50] Toadstool: yup. [01:50] sistpoty: I guess your plan to get back to normal sleeping hours didn't quite work? ;) [01:50] Toadstool: like we don't do that already ;-) [01:50] hehe, true [01:51] If the KDE people take responsibility for the bugs, it might be acceptable. [01:51] Toadstool: if people know that these kde4 packages aren't releases, or even expected to work.. [01:51] ajmitch: no. but I'm still trying ;) [01:51] Ok. So since the latest drupal release is 5.1, should I name the package 5.1, and then any security fixes afterwards just get patched? [01:51] sistpoty: as long as you can get up for the next MC meeting :) [01:51] I'm happy to maintain drupal. [01:52] ajmitch: I'll manage... somehow ;) [01:52] sistpoty: simple, just stay up [01:52] haha [01:52] TheMuso: for the security fixes: yes, as patches [01:52] Happy Hug Day!!! [01:53] sistpoty: what about updating the topic? [01:53] geser: Thanks. [01:53] pochu: sure, feel free to do it ;) [01:53] wahoo SRU uploaded! \o/ [01:53] sistpoty: hehe, no topic lock? [01:53] only took me like 2 days :-) [01:53] congrats LaserJock === Fujitsu uploaded azureus this morning. [01:54] pochu: last time I tried, it worked. and I don't have any special rights in this channel ;) === Fujitsu ponders how to best fix pymol for Edgy. === ajmitch feels rather tired === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:pochu] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO | Happy Universe Hug Day!! March 9th [01:54] done :) [01:54] Feel free to improve it though :) [01:54] hehe [01:54] ajmitch: It's only like 13:55, isn't it? [01:55] Hug Day tomorrow, cool :) [01:55] "this debdiff looks funny" -> "hmm, building source for edgy from feisty is the problem" -> "how do I use schroot again?" -> "this thing needs r-base and python-dev-all just to build the source?" -> "wahooo! it works" [01:55] man I love packaging! [01:55] heh [01:56] Fujitsu: what's up with pymol again? [01:56] I see if floating by in my email [01:56] The regexp for passing the Python version is dodgy. [01:57] It should it into something like 2.4, but it doesn't work on Edgy's 2.4.4c4 (I think that's what it is). [01:57] It gives 2.4.4 instead, which means it can't find the interpreter. [01:57] It's fixed in Feisty with a migration to the new Python policy, but we obviously don't want to SRU that. [01:59] well, I don't know, migration is usually pretty straightforward [01:59] it might be a little overkill for the particular bug [02:00] I'm considering just replacing the regexp with '2.4', because the default Edgy Python version is unlikely to change... But that's not a very nice fix. === Fujitsu heads off to school. [02:03] Fujitsu: well, it would only be done once since the package has moved to the new python policy [02:04] To depend on Ubuntu's default MTA, do I just depend on mail-tranfer-agent? [02:04] transfer even [02:06] yes [02:06] well no [02:06] what Ubuntu packages do is depend on postfix | mail-transfer-agent [02:06] which tries for postfix first, which is the default. [02:06] there isn't a default-mail-transfer-agent AFAIK [02:07] but that might be a good idea [02:07] TheMuso: do you need postfix or would any MTA do? [02:07] lifeless: Thanks. [02:07] geser: I'm guessing that any will do. [02:07] Actually pretty sure. [02:09] Just want to make sure the correct MTA related package(s) are depended upon. === _jason [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] happy hug day!!!!! :-) [02:21] the fact that the kubuntu team can't support the kde4 snaps via SRUs is troubling at best. === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] the additional fact that they would be in a Canonical-hosted repository is even more troubling. [02:23] crimsun: how is it different from what we currently have? [02:23] I honestly don't see how having them uploaded to Feisty would help. [02:23] sounds like the majority of the software in ubuntu [02:23] ajmitch: I'm thinking of the ramifications of 18-month support [02:23] as long as it doesnt breka the real kde [02:23] crimsun: what support? :) [02:23] well, we have to at least make an effort to... [02:23] crimsun: we've never promised 18-month support for universe - it's often been supporting only the last release [02:24] ajmitch: at best.. [02:24] the killer for me is that there's no promise of ABI/API stability [02:24] crimsun: ok, and there are kde4 packages in edgy (and feisty) right now [02:24] who broke what now? [02:24] ajmitch: IMO they should be removed from feisty. [02:24] oh the kde stuff nevermind :) [02:24] zul: stuff noone uses [02:25] crimsun: I'm not a big fan of having snapshot packages in a release [02:26] I'd rather support jr delegating building to others, freeing him from supporting that infrastructure [02:27] I would love to use apt* to install a kde4 snap, but triaging is going to creep [02:28] and $deity knows kubuntu devs have better uses of their time than wading through bugs filed against older snaps === ajmitch would rather use a repository that would be updated after release [02:28] it does bring up the point of removing stuff from the repos before release [02:28] rather than 6 months of old code that was heavily in development [02:28] LaserJock: debian has it easy [02:28] yep [02:29] LaserJock: this touches back on the removing binaries discussion (brief albeit) in the motu meeting [02:29] exactly === ajmitch checks NEW [02:29] beta.lp will get there eventually.. [02:30] kde4edu, kde4games, kde4multimedia, kde4graphics, kde4toys, kde4admin, kde4pim are all sitting in NEW [02:32] ah, the fun interactions between teams :) [02:32] since this is really a request from the kubuntu council [02:33] maybe it would be better of before TB than before MC? === ajmitch is just reading relevant stuff from #k-devel [02:33] for me, ultimately it boils down to whether there are plans to keep kubuntu.org's repo of kde4 snaps updated === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] if there are, there's no sense in putting them into feisty [02:34] kubuntu people support kde packages anyway, so it wouldn't cause more work for us [02:34] we already sent the wrong message, IMO, by putting them in edgy [02:34] agreed [02:35] ajmitch: I wouldn't be so sure about that, at least Riddell's mail states it differently [02:35] but that's a result of them being uploaded by kubuntu people [02:35] 00:59 < Riddell> Hobbsee: for KDE stuff in universe I'm happy to overrule MOTU council unless they object === TheMuso shakes his head at a rather messy rules files. [02:35] file [02:35] sistpoty: the intent was for it to be a KC decision [02:36] yep [02:36] sistpoty: how did you interpret it? [02:36] ok, the other slant is whether it would represent a regression from edgyg [02:36] -g [02:37] ajmitch: well, as in if MC will veto it, they won't do it? === ajmitch can't see how it could be more broken [02:37] sistpoty: as I understand it, yes === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] hm... anyway I guess we should come to a decision soon... if MC would -1 on it, it could then still propagate to TB in a timely manner [02:38] sistpoty: I can't imagine them being happy with MC blocking it, since all the packages are already in NEW :) [02:38] TBH, I think we need to call an MOTU vote instead of having MC decide, since MC is only a subset of the possible maintainers [02:38] ajmitch: that's the tough thing about needing to decide, you can't always make everyone happy ;) [02:38] sure [02:39] getting recommendations from TB could be good [02:39] Heya gang [02:39] 'lo [02:39] since it'd be MOTUs blocking the Kubuntu work [02:39] crimsun: I fear a MOTU vote might defer the issue for too long [02:39] to what extent do derivatives/sibling distros have control over their packages in the archives? [02:40] phew, no idea [02:40] well, I suppose that is the ultimate issue [02:40] yep [02:40] hi bddebian [02:40] hi bddebian [02:41] heh [02:41] crimsun, ajmitch: ok if I call for MC voting now? [02:41] What, voting to kick me out already? :-) [02:41] sistpoty: I think we need to vote on a different issue (the one that ajmitch raised) [02:42] bddebian: no, the timeout of your lp-membership will take care for that :P [02:42] Doh [02:43] Ok. Drupal uses debconf to let one choose which apache to use. It defaults to apache. Are packages in Ubuntu using apache2 these days, or is apache still the default for packages that need a web server? [02:43] crimsun: is it up to us to decide on that one? [02:43] hm... the way I see it is that we can make a decision, but TB can always ultimately overrule us [02:43] yep [02:44] the question is about what power TB has delegated [02:44] bddebian: expires: 2007-04-06 [02:44] bddebian: better get working to convince the MC to keep you [02:45] sistpoty: ok, sure, CFV is fine [02:45] TheMuso: apache2 is in main and apache is in universe [02:45] geser: Right. [02:46] apache2 should be the default choice [02:46] Ok thought as much. [02:46] not sure how much longer apache 1.3 will be kept [02:46] ajmitch: Bah, kick me out. :-) [02:46] I imagine there are still a few modules that will only work with 1.3 === ajmitch wonders if people that are expiring should have to run the gauntlet again === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:49] ajmitch: come on, you are looking forward to grilling bddebian, aren't you? :P [02:49] >:) [02:49] sistpoty: how about live packaging of some complex library? [02:49] heh I think I have already expired [02:50] zul: no you were just kicked out [02:50] ajmitch: ahhh... [02:50] sistpoty: Nah, I'll just quit and make ajmitch happy [02:50] bastards === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] silly bddebian [02:51] hi thoreauputic [02:51] hello :) [02:51] bddebian: that would be a silly thing to do [02:51] just lurking here - I'm no developer :) [02:52] Feisty is looking pretty nice - congrats to all concerned :) [02:52] thoreauputic: Don't worry, me either :-) [02:52] heh :) [02:53] ajmitch: I guess we'll need to make a MC decision to not let bddebian go ;) [02:53] as in membership will be prolonged until all universe bugs are fixed :P [02:53] true [02:53] lifetime membership? woo! [02:53] hah [02:53] just like hotel california [02:54] hehe [02:54] or the hair club for men [02:54] sistpoty: so what were you wanting to vote on? :) [02:56] ajmitch: what did I miss/do wrong? [02:57] no idea, if you sent out a mail I'm still waiting for it [02:58] ajmitch: I just moderated it :P [02:58] will probably take a day or so to get here then [02:59] :( [02:59] haha [02:59] shouldn't be quite that long at the moment [02:59] but it was a week or so ago [02:59] mail was delayed up to about 2 days [03:00] ouch [03:00] iirc 1 day was the maximum for me once... but currently it's almost instantly arriving :) [03:00] postal or email ajmitch? [03:00] zul: email [03:00] ouch! [03:00] ISP's virus & spam scanning couldn't handle it === ajmitch got the moderation request from mailman :) === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@66-240-26-40.isp.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlar1 [n=jwhitlar@66-240-26-40.isp.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlar1 [n=jwhitlar@66-240-26-40.isp.comcastbusiness.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:03] yay, a CFV [03:03] how voting with 5 people & 3 options will work, I don't know [03:06] ajmitch: right, option (3) was a dumb idea === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] you need a (4) ponies! [03:12] and the decision of MC on the issue is: unanimously (4): ponies :) [03:12] ++ === Lathiat laughs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] Heya ho. [03:13] The dairy-o [03:13] or maybe not [03:14] it's probably konvi sigsegv'ing [03:14] Any of you glibc debugging experts? :-) === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] bddebian: no we don't want to play with the hurd [03:15] Who said anything about Hurd? === bddebian bats eyes [03:15] Oh man. This is going to be fun. Now that drupal has a web install mechanism, it creates the db via a php script, once the user has filled out the necessary info. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] SO there is no plain text file with the db data in it any more. [03:16] TheMuso: that's not unusual :) [03:16] ajmitch: I know. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] Its just working out how to do the same thing. I am thinking I'll have to use curl to post the data somehow, to get the appropriate db created. [03:16] Unless other packages use a better method. [03:17] TheMuso: or simply rip the script apart? [03:17] sistpoty: That is a possibility, yes. [03:19] But I thi/c [03:19] gah [03:21] I might just do the latter. [03:21] rip appart. [03:24] interesting... s.th. is wrong with irclogs [03:24] ubuntu-meeting-current seems to be ubuntu-motu-current [03:24] heh [03:24] obviously -motu is more important & lively [03:25] hehe === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] Actually, just ripping the script apart is not right in this context. Drupal now supports prefixing its database table names with whatever you want, for easier multisite configuration. [03:33] So just doing an sql import won't work, if thats what the user wants. [03:34] TheMuso: I guess you can just let the user configure drupal and explaining it within README.Debian for example [03:35] at least that's what I've seen how some php packages do it === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] Actually, yeah you're right. === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] All I'd have to do is tell them to run the web script to set the db etc up, giving them the db information they need. === TheMuso ponders. === ajmitch wonders if he should vote yet on the kde decision [03:39] I'm pondering over a case of beer. === sistpoty wonders if he should go to bed === bddebian contemplates his navel [03:39] crimsun: yeah, I'll have to wait until I get home before I can get into the beer === ajmitch is feeling rather thirsty, too === sistpoty is out of beer === ajmitch bought some last night [03:40] I'm going to have bazaar beer tonight :) [03:40] hey lifeless :) [03:40] nice === ajmitch just has a box of speights in the kitchen [03:40] ajmitch: where's this documented? [03:41] Hobbsee: the beer? [03:42] Hobbsee: if referring to kde4, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000029.html [03:43] ah yes === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121ru6.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-120.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211__ [n=andrew@user-11fap1i.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] joy, more reviews of stuff like "linux mint" [04:55] heh === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] Hello, anyone knows what has changed from Edgy to Feisty regarding virtual console (keymap,translations,...) ? === nothlit [n=nothlit@n218103252065.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off to bed... gn8 everyone === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === boredandblogging [n=asdfasdf@24.98.177.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-3-183.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc [i=schultmc@nat/progeny/x-1aefc78d6238ef98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ [n=chatzill@66.176.118.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ is now known as twanj === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === animimotus [n=animimot@unaffiliated/animimotus] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] hi === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] heya [08:48] I had a notification this morning for 3 updates, but keep seems to be unreachable [08:48] I can't install it too http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9400/ [08:50] Try running `sudo aptitude update' again. [08:51] Otherwise, it's probably just the French mirror being stupid, and you should try again in a couple of hours. [08:51] Have people seen the message on -motu about gstreamer-ffmpeg yet? [08:51] TheMuso: Nein. [08:51] You'll probably get it very shortly. [08:51] Ah, I did just now. [08:52] Everybody on the planet refers to the format as DivX. [08:53] Thats what I thought. [08:54] I believe it would confuse people even more. [08:54] Yes. [08:54] Definitely. [08:55] I don't regularly hear people talking about MPEG-4 ASP videos. === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] Me neither. === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] The Wikipedia article states that DivX is a container format... [08:58] Gah, confusion. [08:58] (which will only be greatly enhanced by saying MPEG-4 ASP instead) === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eXistenZ [n=existenz@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] yeah [09:00] While calling it DivX is wrong, that's what everybody knows it as... :-/ [09:02] His idea of "MPEG-4 ASP video (for example, encoded with DivX, Xvid or FFmpeg MPEG-4)" isn't too bad, I guess. === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joumetal [n=joumetal@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F752B1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] good morning === lfittl [n=lfittl@86.59.100.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] hi dholbach [09:58] hey Hobbsee [09:58] hey lfittl [09:58] Hail dholbach. [09:59] hey dholbach [09:59] hi Fujitsu :) === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x503e778e.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] heh [10:07] Hey all. [10:10] dholbach: it's universe hug day? [10:11] YEAH :) [10:11] Hobbsee: Most certainly. [10:12] morning [10:12] oh dear [10:13] Universe hug day, without LP. Sounds like fun. [10:13] Does indeed. === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-11-86.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZLappy [n=Richard@121.44.243.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu watches the LP over-downtime clock tick past 25%... === animimotus [n=animimot@176.199.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@hald.gbar.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [n=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] <\sh> moins [11:18] Hi \sh. === Marsmensch [n=daniel@p54AA4DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:24] LP is back. [11:24] woohoo [11:24] \o/ [11:25] hum... not here [11:26] HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY! :-) [11:27] Happy Universe Hug Day dholbach :) [11:27] thanks lionel - the same to you :) [11:30] mm OOPS-433BD271 [11:30] great way to start the day! [11:31] .oO( or to end the day, depending on whether I get to sleep in the next 40 minutes ) [11:31] Woo, beta's up and OOPSing! === Fujitsu thinks that the new Postgres might not be happy. === Fujitsu notes the CSS is missing on this page that does work. [11:32] ... and now the same page OOPSes. [11:32] d'oh, "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance very very soon." [11:32] Fujitsu: I have the CSS now (it was missing some click ago) [11:32] and I was just about to click "Disable redirection..." [11:32] Hey, I got a whole page without an OOPs. [11:32] haha [11:32] Fujitsu: you tempted fate [11:32] ah no [11:33] Seems to be more stable now. [11:33] After 3 hours. [11:33] Or not. [11:34] You guys using normal launchpad, or beta? [11:34] beta [11:34] I'm using normal now. [11:34] yay for clicky "Disable redirection..." [11:34] where's that? [11:34] ... now a random one or two of the application buttons on the home are vanishing each reload. [11:34] Hobbsee: on launchpad.net === TheMuso has been working on a drupal 5.1 package all afternoon/evening, with a few breaks of course. [11:35] Hobbsee: http://launchpad.net/ [11:36] oh, neat [11:37] Well I don't see why you all must use the beta. [11:37] I'd rather stick to the standard LP atm and have something thats usable. === Hobbsee thinks each is about as usable as the other [11:37]