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vajkhow are you guys doing ?12:29
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naliothvajk: were you looking for #ubuntu-ops ?12:31
vajk:)12:31
vajkjust looking around12:31
vajkhave a good one12:36
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QMario???12:46
QMarioOdd..12:46
naliothQMario: have a nice nap?12:46
QMarioHee hee hee...12:46
QMarioHello nalioth!!! :)12:47
naliothi've been sending you /msgs12:47
QMarioI was just commenting on vajk.12:47
QMarioReally?12:47
QMarioMy compuer was probably suspended.12:47
naliothfor months?12:47
QMarioNo.12:48
QMarioI have been really busy.12:48
naliothso i figured :)12:48
QMarioI did not received anything from you nalioth...12:48
naliothit's been a few weeks12:48
naliothi sent a few /msgs and never got a response, so i stopped.12:49
QMarioSorry.12:49
naliothfigured you were on vacation and had left your computer on12:49
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GenieHosthi every body01:27
GenieHostany body home?01:27
PriceChildHey there01:27
GenieHosthi man01:27
PriceChildHow can we help? :)01:27
GenieHostI would like to ask sly question01:28
GenieHostI got ubuntu 6.10 now01:28
GenieHosthow to upgrade it to 7.04 ?01:28
PriceChildGenieHost, #ubuntu-ops isn't for support01:28
PriceChild!upgrade > GenieHost01:28
GenieHost?01:29
GenieHostsorry then01:29
PriceChildPlease see the private message from ubotu.01:29
GenieHostbye bye01:29
PriceChildIt contains a link to the upgrades page01:29
PriceChildGenieHost, #ubuntu+1 for support on feisty.01:29
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ubotuIn ubotu, GenieHost said: what is the different version of ubuntu?01:35
PriceChild!bot > GenieHost01:37
Vorianhehe01:47
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PriceChild!tor > lonelystar (please see the PM from ubotu)02:05
naliothPriceChild: how many times are you gonna do that? he's gotten FOUR of those so far (that i've counted)02:06
PriceChildAs many times as it takes lol?02:06
naliothPriceChild: he's on AUTO JOIN02:07
PriceChildI won't send it to him again then promise.02:07
naliothPriceChild: have you thought that /msg ubotu tell NICK about FACTOID  could be scripted and you could spam EVERY gateway user that joins here that way?02:08
LjLnot on konversation...02:08
LjLnot if i wanted to restrict it to this channel anyway02:09
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effie_jayxhey guys04:29
effie_jayxjenda,  are you around buddy?04:29
effie_jayxJust a simple question04:29
effie_jayxwhen I say #ubuntu-offtopic ... what comes to mind?04:29
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ubotuIn #ubuntu, satori101 said: !ask why is my laptop with 3945ABG wifi chip dropping packets with edgy eft?04:31
beunoeffie_jayx: jenda doesn't seem to be around   :D04:31
effie_jayxbeuno,  could you answer for me :D04:32
beunowell, offtopic chitter chatter  :p04:33
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naliotheffie_jayx: is there a problem?04:39
effie_jayxnalioth,  no... just trying to teach my friend carlitos-ve from my channel the kinda responsibility you take when you open a offtopic channel04:40
effie_jayxhe wants to open one and recently proposed one in a team meeting... but he hasn't a clue on the things that happen in the ubuntu-offtopic channel...04:42
effie_jayx:S04:42
effie_jayx:D04:42
beunoaah, heh04:42
beunoyeah, offtopic doesn't mean random insulting and spam04:42
beunoaltough I can see why some people would think that04:43
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pierceare there any nice aps for dealing with my rc scripts?05:22
piercehmm, strange05:22
piercesorry about that, I was trying to join #ubuntu and didn't notice the redirect :-/05:23
elkbuntupierce, /msg ubotu !tor05:25
piercejust gave current package information about tor :-)05:26
nalioth!tell pierce about proxy05:27
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elkbuntuah right :-/05:28
pierceim on a public wireless network, and freenode doesn't support ssl :-/05:28
elkbuntupierce, then take note of the part that mentions the unaffiliated cloak05:29
pierceoke, thanks05:29
naliothpierce: if you do this often, consider using gpg-tor05:33
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naliothtrolls, hip deep09:12
naliothgot the most nasty of 'em09:13
elkbuntui missed the fun again?09:16
Hobbseeyep09:18
elkbuntuis ubuntu-anon one of them?09:21
naliothhe was09:22
naliothwhere is he?09:22
naliothdon't kick him09:22
naliothjust tell me09:22
elkbuntuwas in -offtopic, just nuked him09:22
elkbuntusorry.. i saw you saying too late :(09:22
elkbuntuyou were 6 seconds too late09:23
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tarzanhi09:41
naliothhi tarzan09:42
elkbuntuhey tarzan, if you're wondering why you're here, type /msg ubotu proxy09:42
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tarzan?09:42
Seveas!tor09:42
ubotuThe #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.09:42
ubotuAttention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks09:42
tarzan?09:43
naliothtarzan: this is not #ubuntu09:43
tarzanoh09:43
tarzanso what is this?09:44
naliothtarzan: read what ubotu just said09:44
tarzani did09:44
Hobbseetarzan: then type /topic and read it09:45
Seveas@pity Hobbsee09:45
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Kamping_Kaiser:(09:45
Hobbsee@lart Seveas09:45
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Hobbseeblerg09:45
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Seveas@reload Lart09:49
Seveas@load Lart09:49
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tarzanso we can not talk about ubuntu in here?09:52
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Hobbseetarzan: this is not a support channel.09:52
_grusomhatHow come I keep ending up in this channel09:52
Madpilot_grusomhat, because cgi-irc is banned from #ubuntu09:53
_grusomhatOh grrr09:53
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Hobbsee_grusomhat: you need an exception from nalioth or another staffer.  changing your nick wont help you.09:54
tarzanthis sucks09:54
asdfghjklboo!09:54
asdfghjklyup, cgi:irc is still ugl09:54
asdfghjkly09:54
Madpilottarzan, you can still be anonymous and get into #ubuntu... just not with tor. or web-cgi09:54
tarzanno thx09:55
tarzanthere is no other way to be anonymous than with tor09:55
Kamping_Kaiserlol09:55
Seveas!tor09:55
ubotuThe #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.09:55
ubotuAttention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks09:55
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Seveas<ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.09:55
Seveas<ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.09:55
naliothtarzan: try gpg-tor http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml09:55
Seveas<ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.09:55
SeveasREAD09:55
tarzani read that09:56
tarzanwhat a bullshit09:56
tarzanthey claim to be unix experts09:56
tarzanlol09:56
tarzanall they say is that people use unencrypted connections09:56
tarzanof course these are idiots that don't know how tor works09:56
naliothtarzan: this is not a social channel. gpg-tor users are welcome in #ubuntu09:56
tarzani already read. thats what i just said09:56
tarzangpg-tor ?09:57
naliothtarzan: i pasted a link to you09:57
tarzanwill take a look09:57
mneptoktarzan: anyone determined enough can peel the onion09:58
tarzanmneptop09:59
tarzanno09:59
mneptoktarzan: yes.10:00
tarzanthx for the link10:00
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Seveasmneptok, don't assume clue :)10:00
mneptoktarzan: i'm not going to get into a long debate, but i assure you i know my Unix and how TOR works10:00
mneptokah well10:00
Madpilotanyone with a username of 'dude' quite likely has a short supply of clue...10:01
mneptokhe knows how TOR works, its implications for IRC, and is a Unix expert.10:01
mneptoknow all he needs is to discover tab auto completion10:02
mneptok;)10:02
MadpilotSeveas, could we get ubotu back into #ubuntu-ca? It was present there at one point, but wandered off... thanks.10:05
naliothMadpilot: will any ubot* do?10:06
Madpilotnalioth, sure. Got an underemployed botclone?10:06
naliothi do10:06
Kamping_Kaiserlol10:07
naliothMadpilot: will that work?10:07
Madpilotnalioth, already working. Thanks.10:07
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DF3Hi, Is there a way to install gnome on an Ubuntu Serve 6.10 installation?11:23
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Kamping_Kaiser!tell DF3 about proxy11:24
Kamping_Kaiserheh11:24
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Menasim1I want to install cvs04:34
PriceChild!proxy > Menasim1 (This is NOT #ubuntu . Please see the PM from ubotu)04:35
ubotuI'll remember that, PriceChild04:35
PriceChildargh!!!04:35
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PriceChildMenasim1, This isn't #ubuntu You've been forwarded out of the channel as you are using a web gateway. Is it not possible for you to connect using "regular" irc?04:35
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PriceChildMenasim1, and doesn't "sudo apt-get install cvs" work?04:36
PriceChildSeveas, seems like the factoid wasn't changed above... but wierd response?04:38
SeveasPriceChild, it added a factoid04:39
Seveasnamed proy > Menasim (This04:39
PriceChildahh... so don't use "is" inside the (/)'s ?04:40
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popeywhats the reason cgi:irc's aren't allowed in #ubuntu?04:46
popeyto stop the tards?04:46
Myrttiyeah04:46
popeyshame04:46
popeyits handy for some people04:46
mc44you can still get in if you cloak04:47
Seveasyeah, for tards04:47
PriceChildtunnels ftw04:47
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popeysure, but your average n00b isn't going to have a hope with a tunnel04:50
popey(tunnels indeed ftw)04:50
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PriceChildpopey, Your average n00b shouldn't have to resort to cgi::irc04:52
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popeyPriceChild: at work?04:53
PriceChildWell then they should be working ;)04:53
popeyif they cant get online at home, they might try to use irc at work04:53
popeyhmm04:53
popeyi dont think its unreasonable04:53
popeymaybe an ubuntu official cgiirc?04:54
popeywhich requires your launchpad ID to use..04:54
popeyand is restricted to use only freenode and only #ubuntu-* channels04:54
popeyoh and04:54
PriceChildn00bs with launchpad accounts?04:54
popey#kubuntu etc of course as well ;)04:54
popeyit would force them to register04:54
popeywhich would make it easier for them to report bugs, support tickets and so on04:55
popeyI suspect one reason the forums get a metric tonne of traffic is because http is easy for people to access at home/work04:56
popeyaside from all the other reasons people use forums - familiarity and number of users etc04:56
popeyexisting content and so on04:56
popeyAt every customer I go to, I see people during their idle time using forums04:56
popeywhether its tv-programmes, cars or Ubuntu they are discussing, people like using http at work04:57
maxamillionPriceChild: noobs are everywhere and can not be avoided ... even on LP :(04:58
popeyyeah, but putting minor barriers in place (as the forums do) such as registration with an email account will help stop the drive-by tards04:58
PriceChildWe've had to enable admin activation on new accouts too because of trolls :(05:01
popeyreally? since whan?05:01
popeyer, when05:01
PriceChildfew days ago, may have turned it off since05:01
popeythats a bummer05:02
popeyextra stumbling blocks for genuine users :(05:02
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LjLhave you ever seen *one* real user from 83.230?06:52
naliothnot I06:52
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LjLeither they join and part in ten seconds' time, or they join two clones and start saying ola to each other06:54
LjLthat's all i've ever seen them do, and they're amazingly persistent at it06:54
LjLpricechild: what *has* happened to the automatix server anyway, just out of curiosity?06:59
PriceChildWell first it was the storm at their hosting07:00
PriceChildthey came back up... and were promptly hacked07:00
LjLhah07:00
PriceChildFrom the sounds of it arnieboy didn't keep backups07:00
PriceChildQuote:07:00
LjLunsurprising *g*07:00
PriceChild"The Automatix server has been hacked and everything wiped out. This was the cause of the recent downtime. Resurrecting automatix from here is a huge task and as Team Lead I cannot promise anything from here.. I will see what I can do"07:01
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ubotuIn #ubuntu, soundray said: ubotu, gnomereset is <reply>To delete your gnome configuration and start with a fresh one, log into a failsafe session and run 'cd ; mkdir gnomeconf-backup ; mv .gconf* .gnome* gnomeconf-backup'.07:05
LjLew07:06
apokryphosthat is not gonna  work ;-)07:06
naliothzombies. . .07:07
apokryphosstill, highlights how bad configuration organisation is in gnome07:07
apokryphoswhat do you do in kde? mv ~/.kde{,_old}07:08
LjLwell07:08
LjLsave things like the fact that i'm not sure everyone considers, say, Konversation logs part of their "configuration". but anyway07:09
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apokryphosLjL: no-one says .kde is *just* for configuration07:10
apokryphos~/.kde/share/config is07:10
SeveasPriceChild, you tease!07:18
PriceChildSeveas, ?07:23
naliothPriceChild: your news of automatix07:28
PriceChildah ok.... I got confused because when calling someone a tease to me it means that they're giving you something but holding the juicy bits back.07:29
naliothPriceChild: right, you are holding the juicy bits back07:31
PriceChilderm..... someone's release a "fix" for it?07:31
PriceChild:)07:31
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naliothopen wide, PriceChild07:34
naliothwhat a nasty thing to say07:35
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naliothmc44: your mother never washed your mouth out with soap?07:36
mc44Oh. Mouth. Right.07:36
mc44ahem07:36
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tonyyarussonalioth: actually don't know anyone who's done that07:37
naliothtonyyarusso: my mom did.07:38
tonyyarussosad07:39
mc44I liked the taste of soap07:39
naliothnot really07:39
naliothit did create a lasting lesson07:39
Seveas"buy better tasting sope"07:42
Seveaschocolate flavoured soap07:42
Seveasor strawberry07:43
mc44Or just shower with chocolate sause07:43
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PriceChild<arnieboy> an official update: The Automatix repositories are up again (so automatix is working again) .. We are working on bringing the wiki and forums back up09:26
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Seveas@lart PriceChild09:29
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PriceChildDon't drop the messenger from a great height!09:29
Seveas@lart PriceChild09:30
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Seveas@lart PriceChild09:30
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gnomefreakSeveas: you around by chance?10:40
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gnomefreaki have one of his bans/mutes in pm. not 20 seconds after i logged back on :(10:43
gnomefreakill be right back but let him know miyako wants to talk to him i cant figure this out10:45
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gnomefreakok much better10:46
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gnomefreakSeveas: if your back miyako wants his ban/mute lifted (i have to go do a few personal things)11:09
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