[12:29] <vajk> how are you guys doing ?
[12:31] <nalioth> vajk: were you looking for #ubuntu-ops ?
[12:31] <vajk> :)
[12:31] <vajk> just looking around
[12:36] <vajk> have a good one
[12:46] <QMario> ???
[12:46] <QMario> Odd..
[12:46] <nalioth> QMario: have a nice nap?
[12:46] <QMario> Hee hee hee...
[12:47] <QMario> Hello nalioth!!! :)
[12:47] <nalioth> i've been sending you /msgs
[12:47] <QMario> I was just commenting on vajk.
[12:47] <QMario> Really?
[12:47] <QMario> My compuer was probably suspended.
[12:47] <nalioth> for months?
[12:48] <QMario> No.
[12:48] <QMario> I have been really busy.
[12:48] <nalioth> so i figured :)
[12:48] <QMario> I did not received anything from you nalioth...
[12:48] <nalioth> it's been a few weeks
[12:49] <nalioth> i sent a few /msgs and never got a response, so i stopped.
[12:49] <QMario> Sorry.
[12:49] <nalioth> figured you were on vacation and had left your computer on
[01:27] <GenieHost> hi every body
[01:27] <GenieHost> any body home?
[01:27] <PriceChild> Hey there
[01:27] <GenieHost> hi man
[01:27] <PriceChild> How can we help? :)
[01:28] <GenieHost> I would like to ask sly question
[01:28] <GenieHost> I got ubuntu 6.10 now
[01:28] <GenieHost> how to upgrade it to 7.04 ?
[01:28] <PriceChild> GenieHost, #ubuntu-ops isn't for support
[01:28] <PriceChild> !upgrade > GenieHost
[01:29] <GenieHost> ?
[01:29] <GenieHost> sorry then
[01:29] <PriceChild> Please see the private message from ubotu.
[01:29] <GenieHost> bye bye
[01:29] <PriceChild> It contains a link to the upgrades page
[01:29] <PriceChild> GenieHost, #ubuntu+1 for support on feisty.
[01:35] <ubotu> In ubotu, GenieHost said: what is the different version of ubuntu?
[01:37] <PriceChild> !bot > GenieHost
[01:47] <Vorian> hehe
[02:05] <PriceChild> !tor > lonelystar (please see the PM from ubotu)
[02:06] <nalioth> PriceChild: how many times are you gonna do that? he's gotten FOUR of those so far (that i've counted)
[02:06] <PriceChild> As many times as it takes lol?
[02:07] <nalioth> PriceChild: he's on AUTO JOIN
[02:07] <PriceChild> I won't send it to him again then promise.
[02:08] <nalioth> PriceChild: have you thought that /msg ubotu tell NICK about FACTOID  could be scripted and you could spam EVERY gateway user that joins here that way?
[02:08] <LjL> not on konversation...
[02:09] <LjL> not if i wanted to restrict it to this channel anyway
[04:29] <effie_jayx> hey guys
[04:29] <effie_jayx> jenda,  are you around buddy?
[04:29] <effie_jayx> Just a simple question
[04:29] <effie_jayx> when I say #ubuntu-offtopic ... what comes to mind?
[04:31] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, satori101 said: !ask why is my laptop with 3945ABG wifi chip dropping packets with edgy eft?
[04:31] <beuno> effie_jayx: jenda doesn't seem to be around   :D
[04:32] <effie_jayx> beuno,  could you answer for me :D
[04:33] <beuno> well, offtopic chitter chatter  :p
[04:39] <nalioth> effie_jayx: is there a problem?
[04:40] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  no... just trying to teach my friend carlitos-ve from my channel the kinda responsibility you take when you open a offtopic channel
[04:42] <effie_jayx> he wants to open one and recently proposed one in a team meeting... but he hasn't a clue on the things that happen in the ubuntu-offtopic channel...
[04:42] <effie_jayx> :S
[04:42] <effie_jayx> :D
[04:42] <beuno> aah, heh
[04:42] <beuno> yeah, offtopic doesn't mean random insulting and spam
[04:43] <beuno> altough I can see why some people would think that
[05:22] <pierce> are there any nice aps for dealing with my rc scripts?
[05:22] <pierce> hmm, strange
[05:23] <pierce> sorry about that, I was trying to join #ubuntu and didn't notice the redirect :-/
[05:25] <elkbuntu> pierce, /msg ubotu !tor
[05:26] <pierce> just gave current package information about tor :-)
[05:27] <nalioth> !tell pierce about proxy
[05:28] <elkbuntu> ah right :-/
[05:28] <pierce> im on a public wireless network, and freenode doesn't support ssl :-/
[05:29] <elkbuntu> pierce, then take note of the part that mentions the unaffiliated cloak
[05:29] <pierce> oke, thanks
[05:33] <nalioth> pierce: if you do this often, consider using gpg-tor
[09:12] <nalioth> trolls, hip deep
[09:13] <nalioth> got the most nasty of 'em
[09:16] <elkbuntu> i missed the fun again?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> yep
[09:21] <elkbuntu> is ubuntu-anon one of them?
[09:22] <nalioth> he was
[09:22] <nalioth> where is he?
[09:22] <nalioth> don't kick him
[09:22] <nalioth> just tell me
[09:22] <elkbuntu> was in -offtopic, just nuked him
[09:22] <elkbuntu> sorry.. i saw you saying too late :(
[09:23] <elkbuntu> you were 6 seconds too late
[09:41] <tarzan> hi
[09:42] <nalioth> hi tarzan
[09:42] <elkbuntu> hey tarzan, if you're wondering why you're here, type /msg ubotu proxy
[09:42] <tarzan> ?
[09:42] <Seveas> !tor
[09:42] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[09:42] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[09:43] <tarzan> ?
[09:43] <nalioth> tarzan: this is not #ubuntu
[09:43] <tarzan> oh
[09:44] <tarzan> so what is this?
[09:44] <nalioth> tarzan: read what ubotu just said
[09:44] <tarzan> i did
[09:45] <Hobbsee> tarzan: then type /topic and read it
[09:45] <Seveas> @pity Hobbsee
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[09:45] <Hobbsee> @lart Seveas
[09:45] <Hobbsee> blerg
[09:49] <Seveas> @reload Lart
[09:49] <Seveas> @load Lart
[09:52] <tarzan> so we can not talk about ubuntu in here?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> tarzan: this is not a support channel.
[09:52] <_grusomhat> How come I keep ending up in this channel
[09:53] <Madpilot> _grusomhat, because cgi-irc is banned from #ubuntu
[09:53] <_grusomhat> Oh grrr
[09:54] <Hobbsee> _grusomhat: you need an exception from nalioth or another staffer.  changing your nick wont help you.
[09:54] <tarzan> this sucks
[09:54] <asdfghjkl> boo!
[09:54] <asdfghjkl> yup, cgi:irc is still ugl
[09:54] <asdfghjkl> y
[09:54] <Madpilot> tarzan, you can still be anonymous and get into #ubuntu... just not with tor. or web-cgi
[09:55] <tarzan> no thx
[09:55] <tarzan> there is no other way to be anonymous than with tor
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:55] <Seveas> !tor
[09:55] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[09:55] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
 Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.
 Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.
[09:55] <nalioth> tarzan: try gpg-tor http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
 Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.
[09:55] <Seveas> READ
[09:56] <tarzan> i read that
[09:56] <tarzan> what a bullshit
[09:56] <tarzan> they claim to be unix experts
[09:56] <tarzan> lol
[09:56] <tarzan> all they say is that people use unencrypted connections
[09:56] <tarzan> of course these are idiots that don't know how tor works
[09:56] <nalioth> tarzan: this is not a social channel. gpg-tor users are welcome in #ubuntu
[09:56] <tarzan> i already read. thats what i just said
[09:57] <tarzan> gpg-tor ?
[09:57] <nalioth> tarzan: i pasted a link to you
[09:57] <tarzan> will take a look
[09:58] <mneptok> tarzan: anyone determined enough can peel the onion
[09:59] <tarzan> mneptop
[09:59] <tarzan> no
[10:00] <mneptok> tarzan: yes.
[10:00] <tarzan> thx for the link
[10:00] <Seveas> mneptok, don't assume clue :)
[10:00] <mneptok> tarzan: i'm not going to get into a long debate, but i assure you i know my Unix and how TOR works
[10:00] <mneptok> ah well
[10:01] <Madpilot> anyone with a username of 'dude' quite likely has a short supply of clue...
[10:01] <mneptok> he knows how TOR works, its implications for IRC, and is a Unix expert.
[10:02] <mneptok> now all he needs is to discover tab auto completion
[10:02] <mneptok> ;)
[10:05] <Madpilot> Seveas, could we get ubotu back into #ubuntu-ca? It was present there at one point, but wandered off... thanks.
[10:06] <nalioth> Madpilot: will any ubot* do?
[10:06] <Madpilot> nalioth, sure. Got an underemployed botclone?
[10:06] <nalioth> i do
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:07] <nalioth> Madpilot: will that work?
[10:07] <Madpilot> nalioth, already working. Thanks.
[11:23] <DF3> Hi, Is there a way to install gnome on an Ubuntu Serve 6.10 installation?
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell DF3 about proxy
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[04:34] <Menasim1> I want to install cvs
[04:35] <PriceChild> !proxy > Menasim1 (This is NOT #ubuntu . Please see the PM from ubotu)
[04:35] <ubotu> I'll remember that, PriceChild
[04:35] <PriceChild> argh!!!
[04:35] <PriceChild> Menasim1, This isn't #ubuntu You've been forwarded out of the channel as you are using a web gateway. Is it not possible for you to connect using "regular" irc?
[04:36] <PriceChild> Menasim1, and doesn't "sudo apt-get install cvs" work?
[04:38] <PriceChild> Seveas, seems like the factoid wasn't changed above... but wierd response?
[04:39] <Seveas> PriceChild, it added a factoid
[04:39] <Seveas> named proy > Menasim (This
[04:40] <PriceChild> ahh... so don't use "is" inside the (/)'s ?
[04:46] <popey> whats the reason cgi:irc's aren't allowed in #ubuntu?
[04:46] <popey> to stop the tards?
[04:46] <Myrtti> yeah
[04:46] <popey> shame
[04:46] <popey> its handy for some people
[04:47] <mc44> you can still get in if you cloak
[04:47] <Seveas> yeah, for tards
[04:47] <PriceChild> tunnels ftw
[04:50] <popey> sure, but your average n00b isn't going to have a hope with a tunnel
[04:50] <popey> (tunnels indeed ftw)
[04:52] <PriceChild> popey, Your average n00b shouldn't have to resort to cgi::irc
[04:53] <popey> PriceChild: at work?
[04:53] <PriceChild> Well then they should be working ;)
[04:53] <popey> if they cant get online at home, they might try to use irc at work
[04:53] <popey> hmm
[04:53] <popey> i dont think its unreasonable
[04:54] <popey> maybe an ubuntu official cgiirc?
[04:54] <popey> which requires your launchpad ID to use..
[04:54] <popey> and is restricted to use only freenode and only #ubuntu-* channels
[04:54] <popey> oh and
[04:54] <PriceChild> n00bs with launchpad accounts?
[04:54] <popey> #kubuntu etc of course as well ;)
[04:54] <popey> it would force them to register
[04:55] <popey> which would make it easier for them to report bugs, support tickets and so on
[04:56] <popey> I suspect one reason the forums get a metric tonne of traffic is because http is easy for people to access at home/work
[04:56] <popey> aside from all the other reasons people use forums - familiarity and number of users etc
[04:56] <popey> existing content and so on
[04:56] <popey> At every customer I go to, I see people during their idle time using forums
[04:57] <popey> whether its tv-programmes, cars or Ubuntu they are discussing, people like using http at work
[04:58] <maxamillion> PriceChild: noobs are everywhere and can not be avoided ... even on LP :(
[04:58] <popey> yeah, but putting minor barriers in place (as the forums do) such as registration with an email account will help stop the drive-by tards
[05:01] <PriceChild> We've had to enable admin activation on new accouts too because of trolls :(
[05:01] <popey> really? since whan?
[05:01] <popey> er, when
[05:01] <PriceChild> few days ago, may have turned it off since
[05:02] <popey> thats a bummer
[05:02] <popey> extra stumbling blocks for genuine users :(
[06:52] <LjL> have you ever seen *one* real user from 83.230?
[06:52] <nalioth> not I
[06:54] <LjL> either they join and part in ten seconds' time, or they join two clones and start saying ola to each other
[06:54] <LjL> that's all i've ever seen them do, and they're amazingly persistent at it
[06:59] <LjL> pricechild: what *has* happened to the automatix server anyway, just out of curiosity?
[07:00] <PriceChild> Well first it was the storm at their hosting
[07:00] <PriceChild> they came back up... and were promptly hacked
[07:00] <LjL> hah
[07:00] <PriceChild> From the sounds of it arnieboy didn't keep backups
[07:00] <PriceChild> Quote:
[07:00] <LjL> unsurprising *g*
[07:01] <PriceChild> "The Automatix server has been hacked and everything wiped out. This was the cause of the recent downtime. Resurrecting automatix from here is a huge task and as Team Lead I cannot promise anything from here.. I will see what I can do"
[07:05] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, soundray said: ubotu, gnomereset is <reply>To delete your gnome configuration and start with a fresh one, log into a failsafe session and run 'cd ; mkdir gnomeconf-backup ; mv .gconf* .gnome* gnomeconf-backup'.
[07:06] <LjL> ew
[07:06] <apokryphos> that is not gonna  work ;-)
[07:07] <nalioth> zombies. . .
[07:07] <apokryphos> still, highlights how bad configuration organisation is in gnome
[07:08] <apokryphos> what do you do in kde? mv ~/.kde{,_old}
[07:08] <LjL> well
[07:09] <LjL> save things like the fact that i'm not sure everyone considers, say, Konversation logs part of their "configuration". but anyway
[07:10] <apokryphos> LjL: no-one says .kde is *just* for configuration
[07:10] <apokryphos> ~/.kde/share/config is
[07:18] <Seveas> PriceChild, you tease!
[07:23] <PriceChild> Seveas, ?
[07:28] <nalioth> PriceChild: your news of automatix
[07:29] <PriceChild> ah ok.... I got confused because when calling someone a tease to me it means that they're giving you something but holding the juicy bits back.
[07:31] <nalioth> PriceChild: right, you are holding the juicy bits back
[07:31] <PriceChild> erm..... someone's release a "fix" for it?
[07:31] <PriceChild> :)
[07:34] <nalioth> open wide, PriceChild
[07:35] <nalioth> what a nasty thing to say
[07:36] <nalioth> mc44: your mother never washed your mouth out with soap?
[07:36] <mc44> Oh. Mouth. Right.
[07:36] <mc44> ahem
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: actually don't know anyone who's done that
[07:38] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: my mom did.
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> sad
[07:39] <mc44> I liked the taste of soap
[07:39] <nalioth> not really
[07:39] <nalioth> it did create a lasting lesson
[07:42] <Seveas> "buy better tasting sope"
[07:42] <Seveas> chocolate flavoured soap
[07:43] <Seveas> or strawberry
[07:43] <mc44> Or just shower with chocolate sause
 an official update: The Automatix repositories are up again (so automatix is working again) .. We are working on bringing the wiki and forums back up
[09:29] <Seveas> @lart PriceChild
[09:29] <PriceChild> Don't drop the messenger from a great height!
[09:30] <Seveas> @lart PriceChild
[09:30] <Seveas> @lart PriceChild
[10:40] <gnomefreak> Seveas: you around by chance?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> i have one of his bans/mutes in pm. not 20 seconds after i logged back on :(
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ill be right back but let him know miyako wants to talk to him i cant figure this out
[10:46] <gnomefreak> ok much better
[11:09] <gnomefreak> Seveas: if your back miyako wants his ban/mute lifted (i have to go do a few personal things)