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| ffxr | anybody any idea how to change icons. for individual apps like vlc, amarok, k3b? | 12:43 |
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| maverick-so | Hello everyone | 12:45 |
| maverick-so | ... anyone -not- idling? | 12:46 |
| maverick-so | :) | 12:46 |
| grazie | ffxr: don't know but have you looked under /usr/share/vlc/ etc, for icons? | 12:47 |
| tesuki | when using wine agains widows how much slower will my program run? | 12:48 |
| grazie | tesuki: I think it depends on the program, but I don't use it much. I run one app that seems to run just as well (if not better) under wine | 12:50 |
| grazie | tesuki: I also tried running Sibelius under wine and that wasn't a success for me | 12:52 |
| maverick-so | Hopefully someone can help... I'm running the newest Xubuntu on my laptop with a second monitor connected via VGA - it seems I can get Xinerama -sort of- working, in that it displays a cropped clone screen, but I can't fix the resolution and enable an expanded desktop... anyone have any experience with this? | 12:52 |
| ffxr | k grazie.. ve been locate (ing) png & svg files and renaming old all evening.. cant for the life of me get the vlc icon to change.. melt.. wish it was just in a wee text file somewhere.. | 12:55 |
| ffxr | if you have an nvidia graphics card i would try the prop drivers.. | 12:55 |
| ffxr | @maverick-so | 12:55 |
| maverick-so | No, it's a Radeon Xpress 200M | 12:56 |
| tesuki | thank you grazie | 12:57 |
| grazie | np | 12:57 |
| grazie | ffxr: they're probably cached... | 01:00 |
| maverick-so | Hm... brb | 01:01 |
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| ffxr | ahh.. i see what you mean.. grazie.. its driving me mad.. | 01:06 |
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| maverick-so | Ok, so now I've tried fiddling, and even turning Xinerama off, but nothing seems to have any effect | 01:20 |
| maverick-so | I think I'm doing something quite wrong | 01:20 |
| neozen | trying to get multi-monitor mav? | 01:20 |
| maverick-so | Yeah | 01:20 |
| neozen | scary-scary | 01:20 |
| maverick-so | I really, really want to make a complete move to Linux (esp. Xubuntu) but I kind of need my hardware to work, you know? I don't expect perfect, or easy, but -something- :) | 01:21 |
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| === neozen nods | ||
| neozen | I hear you | 01:23 |
| neozen | the forums been any help? | 01:23 |
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| maverick-so | Not so much. | 01:23 |
| neozen | O.o | 01:23 |
| maverick-so | I thought I had gotten Xinerama to display a sort of cropped clone screen, but apparently something else enabled that, because Xinerama doesn't appear to be active | 01:24 |
| neozen | I thought xinerama was always active | 01:24 |
| neozen | ..even when you don't have a multi-mon setup | 01:24 |
| maverick-so | I don't know. Several places claim xrandr won't work with Xinerama enabled, and it certainly doesn't complain when I try and run it | 01:25 |
| neozen | !xrandr | 01:25 |
| ubotu | xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB | 01:25 |
| neozen | ah | 01:25 |
| neozen | I take it you're using edgy | 01:25 |
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| neozen | hoallo mez | 01:26 |
| maverick-so | I believe so | 01:26 |
| maverick-so | Latest version of Xubuntu | 01:26 |
| neozen | well... here's an easy check | 01:27 |
| neozen | ls -l /bin/sh | 01:27 |
| neozen | if it points to dash | 01:27 |
| neozen | ..you're on edgy | 01:27 |
| maverick-so | Indeed it does | 01:27 |
| neozen | if it points to bash.. you're on dapper | 01:27 |
| DawnLight | hello! installation seems to be succesful inspite of some problems before! now it asks me wether to install GRUB and mentions the existence of a windows xp operating system which shouldn't exist. does anyone know what it may have found to indicate (falsely) that a winxp installation exists? | 01:28 |
| neozen | a recovery partition might exist | 01:28 |
| DawnLight | what is that sorry | 01:28 |
| neozen | what brand of comp? | 01:28 |
| DawnLight | brand? asus tusi-m celeron something | 01:29 |
| === neozen shrugs | ||
| neozen | ...some manufacturers put a 'recovery partition' on the HD which allow you to restore the system to factory setup | 01:29 |
| neozen | ie winXP home or xp pro | 01:30 |
| cellofellow | DawnLight: did you format the whole disk when you installed? | 01:30 |
| neozen | I've seen quite a few of these that use a minimal install of XP on these partitions to get the job done | 01:30 |
| DawnLight | emmmm "erase entire device" if im not mistaken it was | 01:31 |
| cellofellow | odd then | 01:31 |
| DawnLight | but i have another hd installed | 01:31 |
| DawnLight | winxp was installed on it | 01:31 |
| cellofellow | it'll detect that | 01:31 |
| DawnLight | that explains it | 01:32 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| DawnLight | what if i tell it not to install grub | 01:32 |
| DawnLight | then its up to the bios? | 01:32 |
| neozen | you might not be able to boot into linux | 01:33 |
| neozen | depends on which drive is the master... and which is the slave | 01:33 |
| DawnLight | i've installed it in the master hd using recommended partitioning | 01:34 |
| neozen | then you should install grub | 01:34 |
| neozen | I think | 01:34 |
| neozen | cello? | 01:34 |
| DawnLight | can grub be configured not to ask me anything and boot to it automatically? | 01:35 |
| neozen | yes | 01:35 |
| neozen | lots of documentation on grub | 01:35 |
| DawnLight | it may even be useful because i plan to install a SLED distro on the slave hd | 01:36 |
| neozen | sled? | 01:37 |
| DawnLight | SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop | 01:37 |
| DawnLight | blah | 01:37 |
| DawnLight | will be used for irrigation valve control :) | 01:38 |
| DawnLight | hopefuly | 01:38 |
| DawnLight | ill go tell it YES | 01:38 |
| neozen | hehehe | 01:38 |
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| neozen | dawn... you're using linux to control your sprinkler system?!!? | 01:39 |
| neozen | ......oi | 01:39 |
| DawnLight | what | 01:39 |
| vidd_laptop | is there something WRONG with that? | 01:40 |
| cellofellow | use Debian. why you need YaST for a sprinkler system? | 01:40 |
| DawnLight | sounds way more fun then those irrigation computers | 01:40 |
| neozen | lol | 01:40 |
| DawnLight | lol | 01:41 |
| neozen | vidd: heck no | 01:41 |
| neozen | lol | 01:41 |
| neozen | just one of the more creative uses I've heard of | 01:41 |
| vidd_laptop | make coffee.... | 01:41 |
| DawnLight | i was recommended to use SLED because of stability and stuff | 01:41 |
| DawnLight | im new to linux | 01:42 |
| DawnLight | i think its wonderful | 01:42 |
| vidd_laptop | how stable can it be? they signed a deal with M$ | 01:42 |
| vidd_laptop | ^^^ SUSE | 01:42 |
| neozen | vidd: ::GRIN:: @ coffee maker idea | 01:42 |
| DawnLight | yes, ive read that in their site | 01:43 |
| vidd_laptop | Novel....a Microsoft Company...... | 01:43 |
| vidd_laptop | =[ | 01:43 |
| DawnLight | is it considered a crime against huxanity? | 01:43 |
| neozen | tuxanity perhaps | 01:43 |
| neozen | ...but humanity will survive ::grins:: | 01:44 |
| DawnLight | lol | 01:44 |
| vidd_laptop | when you consider that Novell has ALWAYS been a propietary-minded company....it SHOULDNT be a big surpise | 01:44 |
| vidd_laptop | how many ppl get cut when windows crash? | 01:45 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 01:45 |
| DawnLight | i once seen a guy wearing a student bag with a big red NOVELL on it | 01:45 |
| vidd_laptop | law student? | 01:46 |
| vidd_laptop | anyone having any luck with bcm43xx? | 01:46 |
| DawnLight | computer technician actually | 01:46 |
| vidd_laptop | =\ | 01:47 |
| neozen | vidd: ::shudders:: | 01:47 |
| neozen | ...another one | 01:47 |
| neozen | GAH | 01:47 |
| DawnLight | yeah | 01:47 |
| neozen | evil card! | 01:47 |
| vidd_laptop | very | 01:47 |
| neozen | that blasted thing never works! | 01:47 |
| DawnLight | anyway my irrigation linux wont be doing the lawn | 01:48 |
| vidd_laptop | i had it working before my last re-install | 01:48 |
| neozen | dawn: why not? | 01:48 |
| vidd_laptop | for some strange reason it boots into the wrong channel and wont see my access point | 01:48 |
| DawnLight | it will be irrigating an indoor baby leaf machine | 01:48 |
| neozen | dawn.....? | 01:49 |
| neozen | whazzat? | 01:49 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, what KIND of "leaf" | 01:49 |
| neozen | LOL | 01:49 |
| vidd_laptop | not the kind "for medicinal purposes only" i hope | 01:49 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 01:50 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen, if i could find a replacement for it that would fit in this lappy....i'd buy 2 | 01:51 |
| === vidd_laptop wants a 100% linux-friendly laptop | ||
| neozen | the usb_prism2 chipset is very popular | 01:51 |
| vidd_laptop | no usb | 01:52 |
| neozen | ..............................oi | 01:52 |
| DawnLight | good food | 01:52 |
| neozen | drag | 01:52 |
| DawnLight | uh oh | 01:52 |
| vidd_laptop | usb=evil | 01:52 |
| neozen | tell me it has pcmcia | 01:52 |
| vidd_laptop | a laptop should have nothing hanging off of it | 01:52 |
| vidd_laptop | yeah..it HAS the ports | 01:53 |
| vidd_laptop | and usb ports | 01:53 |
| neozen | so USE the ports | 01:53 |
| neozen | its what they're there for | 01:53 |
| neozen | lol | 01:53 |
| vidd_laptop | it shipped with a built in card...i WANT abuilt-in card | 01:53 |
| neozen | particularly when your internal hardware starts acting flaky | 01:54 |
| DawnLight | installation finished, reboot into grub, choosed the regular boot, graphic progress bar - then one long beep followed by three short ones and black screen | 01:54 |
| neozen | .....well you have one | 01:54 |
| vidd_laptop | i just want a built-in card that is linux-freindly | 01:54 |
| neozen | ...that's broken in linux | 01:54 |
| neozen | well | 01:54 |
| neozen | should've bought a thinkpad | 01:54 |
| === neozen grins | ||
| neozen | and it pays to do your research on your hardware before you buy | 01:55 |
| DawnLight | think, pad! think! | 01:55 |
| neozen | ...its why I bought this one | 01:55 |
| === vidd_laptop wasnt into linux @ the time.... | ||
| neozen | aaah | 01:55 |
| neozen | ok | 01:55 |
| neozen | you're excused | 01:55 |
| neozen | .....at last check that chipset works.... kind of | 01:55 |
| vidd_laptop | and walmart dont sell thinkpads | 01:55 |
| neozen | lol | 01:55 |
| neozen | no | 01:55 |
| neozen | lenovo.com does | 01:55 |
| neozen | that's where I bought mine | 01:56 |
| neozen | $1k and worth every penny | 01:56 |
| === vidd_laptop dont buy ANYTHING from a .com | ||
| DawnLight | many pennies in 1k | 01:56 |
| neozen | dawn: indeed | 01:56 |
| DawnLight | so what were those beeps | 01:56 |
| neozen | vidd: ...lenovo builds the laptops for ibm | 01:57 |
| vidd_laptop | this was 560$ | 01:57 |
| neozen | vidd: and now... you know why | 01:57 |
| vidd_laptop | and about 8K$ in headaches | 01:57 |
| DawnLight | any ideas? | 01:57 |
| neozen | beeps? | 01:57 |
| neozen | how many of them? | 01:57 |
| vidd_laptop | dapper, edgy, or fiesty? | 01:57 |
| DawnLight | one long and three shorts | 01:57 |
| neozen | (beep codes aren't standardized) | 01:57 |
| neozen | ..........uh oh | 01:58 |
| DawnLight | edgy (6.10 right?) | 01:58 |
| neozen | asus mb right? | 01:58 |
| vidd_laptop | kk | 01:58 |
| DawnLight | how did you know | 01:58 |
| neozen | *asus motherboard right? | 01:58 |
| DawnLight | i dont like this | 01:58 |
| neozen | dawn: you mentioned it before | 01:58 |
| vidd_laptop | desktop or laptop? | 01:58 |
| neozen | was just checking | 01:58 |
| DawnLight | desk | 01:58 |
| neozen | http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm | 01:59 |
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| vidd_laptop | the install completed, grub loaded and THEN the SOS? | 01:59 |
| neozen | did you change your videocard? | 01:59 |
| DawnLight | you think the bios made them | 01:59 |
| neozen | yes | 01:59 |
| DawnLight | but it was after grub | 01:59 |
| neozen | hmmmmmmm | 01:59 |
| neozen | what do you see on the screen | 02:00 |
| neozen | ...nothing right? | 02:00 |
| DawnLight | right | 02:00 |
| vidd_laptop | the kernel talks to the bios during boot | 02:00 |
| DawnLight | no hdd led also | 02:00 |
| neozen | .....what kind of videocard? | 02:00 |
| === grazie_ is now known as grazie | ||
| DawnLight | the onboard one on the tusi-m | 02:00 |
| DawnLight | need i check? | 02:01 |
| neozen | no | 02:01 |
| neozen | probably some kind of intel | 02:01 |
| neozen | something went kersplat | 02:01 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, did you run a live cd or the alt? | 02:01 |
| DawnLight | alt | 02:02 |
| DawnLight | oh | 02:02 |
| DawnLight | the live cd did the same thing exactly | 02:02 |
| DawnLight | during the graphic progress bar | 02:02 |
| vidd_laptop | but the live booted into live..... | 02:02 |
| vidd_laptop | ? | 02:02 |
| neozen | http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/support/download/manual/370/tusi_m_e.pdf | 02:03 |
| DawnLight | you mean did it run? | 02:03 |
| neozen | there be the manual for the mobo | 02:03 |
| DawnLight | already there | 02:03 |
| neozen | ...perhaps there's beep codes | 02:03 |
| vidd_laptop | did the live cd run | 02:03 |
| DawnLight | no it didn't it gave me the same beeps | 02:04 |
| DawnLight | found the beep codes! scanning... | 02:05 |
| DawnLight | "video card not found or video card memory bad" | 02:06 |
| vidd_laptop | try running the recovery mode | 02:07 |
| vidd_laptop | you should get a command promt | 02:07 |
| vidd_laptop | *prompt | 02:07 |
| cellofellow | as root | 02:07 |
| DawnLight | i remember giving the video card very little memory in the bios | 02:07 |
| vidd_laptop | then reconfigure x | 02:07 |
| DawnLight | maybe ill try to increase it? | 02:08 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, always OVER allow and cut back later | 02:08 |
| cellofellow | ok, does anybody know how to get libdockapp? libdockapp2 is in the repos but not libdockapp. | 02:08 |
| vidd_laptop | dont be the guy who cuts 3 times and its STILL too short! | 02:08 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 02:08 |
| DawnLight | hold on | 02:08 |
| neozen | woohoo me was... somewhat.... right | 02:09 |
| neozen | libdockapp | 02:09 |
| neozen | hmm | 02:09 |
| neozen | nope | 02:10 |
| cellofellow | I want to be able to mount USB drives with HAL in Fluxbox, and the dockapp I found for it won't compile with libdockapp2 | 02:10 |
| neozen | weird | 02:10 |
| neozen | yay for non-backwards-compatible libs | 02:11 |
| neozen | something's very wrong w/ that | 02:11 |
| DawnLight | gave it aperture 64 and shared 32 got same beeps... | 02:11 |
| vidd_laptop | give it MORE | 02:11 |
| neozen | lol | 02:11 |
| vidd_laptop | treat it like windows | 02:12 |
| vidd_laptop | keep throwing memory at it till it craws to lofe | 02:12 |
| vidd_laptop | *life | 02:12 |
| cellofellow | configure: error: libdockapp >= 0.6.0 is required. | 02:12 |
| DawnLight | okay doubled it | 02:12 |
| neozen | and now you're ok? | 02:13 |
| DawnLight | waiting... | 02:13 |
| cellofellow | I looked into Sarge's repos. even that didn't have libdockapp | 02:14 |
| neozen | going away for a bit | 02:14 |
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| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, any luck? | 02:14 |
| neozen-away | cello: you grabbed the -dev package right? | 02:15 |
| DawnLight | no. now gave it maximum 256 aperture 64 share | 02:16 |
| DawnLight | waiting... | 02:16 |
| DawnLight | what about memory post write and cpu to vga post write? what are those? | 02:17 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen-away, you see someone have success with the bcm43xx? | 02:17 |
| DawnLight | still beeps | 02:17 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, no idea | 02:17 |
| DawnLight | ill try them and then i have another idea | 02:17 |
| vidd_laptop | set the bios to safty defaults | 02:17 |
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| DawnLight | bricked huh... | 02:19 |
| DawnLight | lol | 02:19 |
| DawnLight | okay no good | 02:19 |
| vidd_laptop | does your live cd still load? | 02:20 |
| === neozen-away is now known as neozen | ||
| DawnLight | i have an S3 735 ViRGE/DX on the board disabled | 02:20 |
| vidd_laptop | wb neozen | 02:20 |
| neozen | danke | 02:20 |
| DawnLight | its better then the onboard maybe ill try it | 02:21 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, why? | 02:21 |
| DawnLight | why what? | 02:21 |
| vidd_laptop | why you have a second board installed if your not using it? | 02:21 |
| neozen | so cello... you grabbed the libdockapp-dev package from the repos right?!!? | 02:21 |
| neozen | not just the libdockapp2 package | 02:22 |
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| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, either USE the second board, or REMOVE it | 02:23 |
| vidd_laptop | and that SHOULD fix your issue | 02:23 |
| neozen | heheheh | 02:23 |
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| DawnLight | removing it should? alright hold on | 02:23 |
| vidd_laptop | bios-disabling is tricky......even with wind bloze | 02:23 |
| vidd_laptop | OSes assume that display boards added trump display board integrated | 02:24 |
| vidd_laptop | no matter WHAT the bios says | 02:25 |
| cellofellow | neozen: yes | 02:25 |
| DawnLight | makes sense actually | 02:26 |
| DawnLight | hey no beeps... | 02:26 |
| vidd_laptop | you got display? | 02:27 |
| DawnLight | hehe but now it says something about failing to run the x display | 02:27 |
| DawnLight | do i want to see the x server output? | 02:28 |
| vidd_laptop | that is because during install you told it to configure for one card and not the one your using | 02:28 |
| vidd_laptop | no.... | 02:28 |
| DawnLight | so reinstall then | 02:28 |
| vidd_laptop | just get to a terminal and reinstall x | 02:29 |
| DawnLight | alright | 02:29 |
| vidd_laptop | wait.... | 02:29 |
| DawnLight | whats a terminal | 02:29 |
| vidd_laptop | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 02:29 |
| vidd_laptop | a command prompt | 02:29 |
| vidd_laptop | brb | 02:29 |
| vidd_laptop | need to change the baby | 02:29 |
| DawnLight | thats nice | 02:30 |
| DawnLight | now i have a black screen with a flashing _. i am assuming that its a terminal | 02:31 |
| DawnLight | or the terminal | 02:31 |
| DawnLight | terminal cardinal subliminal radical | 02:32 |
| DawnLight | critical fiscal naustril | 02:33 |
| cellofellow | found my problem. libdockapp-dev is 0.5.something, while I need 0.6 for this dockapp. | 02:33 |
| DawnLight | so one tenth is all you needed | 02:33 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, hit [ctrl] [alt] [f2] | 02:33 |
| neozen | aaaaaaaaaaaah | 02:33 |
| cellofellow | big difference I guess. | 02:33 |
| neozen | yes | 02:33 |
| DawnLight | it couldn't let one tenth slide? | 02:33 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 02:34 |
| cellofellow | !info libdockapp-dev feisty | 02:34 |
| ubotu | libdockapp-dev: Window Maker Dock App support (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0-1.3 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 136 kB | 02:34 |
| vidd_laptop | no luck there cellofellow | 02:34 |
| cellofellow | 0.6 isn't in feisty either. where will I get it.? | 02:34 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 02:34 |
| vidd_laptop | yahooooooooooo | 02:34 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 02:34 |
| DawnLight | now it says dawnlight login | 02:34 |
| vidd_laptop | type your username | 02:35 |
| vidd_laptop | then password | 02:35 |
| vidd_laptop | then | 02:35 |
| DawnLight | the line | 02:35 |
| vidd_laptop | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 02:35 |
| DawnLight | okay hold on | 02:36 |
| vidd_laptop | now once this works you are obligated to help at least 3 more ppl | 02:37 |
| neozen | cello | 02:37 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 02:37 |
| neozen | download from source | 02:38 |
| vidd_laptop | just kidding | 02:38 |
| neozen | dump into the proper directory | 02:38 |
| neozen | *download the source | 02:38 |
| neozen | or just find another app | 02:38 |
| DawnLight | im gonna spread linux in israel | 02:39 |
| DawnLight | so what to put in the bus thing? | 02:39 |
| DawnLight | or leave at default | 02:39 |
| vidd_laptop | leave as default | 02:39 |
| cellofellow | drat, even Sid has lbdockapp 0.5. What is the guy who wrote this using? Gentoo? | 02:40 |
| DawnLight | and amount of memory? | 02:40 |
| vidd_laptop | default eveything | 02:40 |
| neozen | cello: slackware mayhaps | 02:40 |
| cellofellow | don't mess with that one, I think. | 02:40 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| neozen | time to find another app | 02:41 |
| cellofellow | yeah | 02:41 |
| vidd_laptop | lol i renamed my wireless card from "Broadcom 4306" to "POS" | 02:42 |
| neozen | hehehe | 02:43 |
| cellofellow | trouble is there are very few standalone HAL-device mounting apps. Most are part of a desktop environment. xfdesktop does it in xfce4, and gnome-volume-manager in gnome. kdesktop too. | 02:43 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| neozen | was wondering how to do that in ubuntu server | 02:44 |
| neozen | so I could use my 120gb external to backup every once in awhile | 02:44 |
| DawnLight | phew... so im back in the terminal | 02:45 |
| cellofellow | well, I'm still searching. I thought that wmvolman would work, but it WON'T COMPILE. | 02:45 |
| neozen | whee! | 02:45 |
| neozen | back in the terminal WOOHOO! | 02:45 |
| === neozen dances | ||
| DawnLight | giggles | 02:45 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, you golden now? | 02:46 |
| DawnLight | golden axe | 02:46 |
| vidd_laptop | you running? | 02:46 |
| DawnLight | what do you mean? | 02:46 |
| neozen | reboot | 02:46 |
| neozen | should be ok | 02:46 |
| DawnLight | im running back and fourth | 02:46 |
| neozen | lol | 02:46 |
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| DawnLight | shall i type reboot? | 02:46 |
| vidd_laptop | is your sysem running like it should? | 02:46 |
| vidd_laptop | yes | 02:47 |
| neozen | sudo reboot | 02:47 |
| DawnLight | hold on | 02:47 |
| neozen | yes | 02:47 |
| cellofellow | maybe hal-device-manager | 02:47 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen, you think you can help with this evil card? | 02:47 |
| neozen | vidd | 02:47 |
| neozen | nope | 02:47 |
| cellofellow | which, drat, has gnome depends | 02:47 |
| neozen | but I can ask a few friends who have it | 02:47 |
| neozen | and see how they got it working | 02:47 |
| vidd_laptop | please | 02:48 |
| neozen | ...drop me an email | 02:48 |
| DawnLight | "reboot: need to be root" | 02:48 |
| neozen | sudo reboot | 02:48 |
| cellofellow | *sudo* reboot | 02:48 |
| neozen | like I said | 02:48 |
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| neozen | when you need to be root to do something ... and you're absolutely SURE that its the right thing to do... sudo | 02:49 |
| vidd_laptop | sudo = "pretend im ..." | 02:49 |
| vidd_laptop | and with no user name it defalts to root | 02:50 |
| cellofellow | ok, hal-device-manager is NOT what I want. | 02:50 |
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| neozen | and to do things to the machine that would potentially effect other users..... like reboot... you need to be the owner.... known as root | 02:50 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen, i dont know your address | 02:50 |
| vidd_laptop | can you PM it to me? | 02:51 |
| neozen | I just did | 02:51 |
| neozen | ....I think | 02:51 |
| neozen | lol | 02:51 |
| vidd_laptop | didnt get it | 02:52 |
| DawnLight | oh my god i have gui! | 02:52 |
| neozen | WHEE! | 02:52 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 02:52 |
| neozen | dawn: you unlike a lot of people... will not take that gui for granted | 02:53 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, you are now required by the Law of VIDD to help 3 other ppl.....just kidding | 02:53 |
| neozen | *a lot of modern linux users | 02:53 |
| DawnLight | haha! i swear to appreciate my gui and cherish it dearly | 02:54 |
| DawnLight | and im off to play with it now! | 02:55 |
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| vidd_laptop | now beryl is this shiny new toy.....lol | 02:55 |
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| neozen | dawn you go poke that mouse now | 02:55 |
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| DawnLight | thank you so much vidd and neozen | 02:56 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen, still not getting a PM | 02:56 |
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| Prisoner_ | hi | 02:56 |
| vidd_laptop | *wave* Prisoner_ | 02:56 |
| neozen | vidd: chi.metrognome@gmail.com | 02:56 |
| mark487 | hi all, how can I find out how much ram is used by my onboard intel video? | 02:56 |
| neozen | tell me you saw that | 02:57 |
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| vidd_laptop | got it | 02:57 |
| neozen | dawn: you are most welcome | 02:57 |
| vidd_laptop | but im vidd_laptop .... not vidd | 02:57 |
| vidd_laptop | vidd is my desktop persona | 02:57 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 02:57 |
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| Prisoner_ | don't know | 02:58 |
| Prisoner_ | right now I'm using 171mb out of 512mb and I'm running Firefox, Thunderbird, and Konversatoin | 02:58 |
| cellofellow | mark487: dunno | 02:59 |
| neozen | me either | 02:59 |
| neozen | aside from scoping out your bios | 03:00 |
| neozen | pris: nICE | 03:00 |
| mark487 | isn't there some file that lists what monitor & chipset and such were detected? I was looking at the file recently but don't remember the name. ring any bells? | 03:00 |
| neozen | lspci should display everything | 03:00 |
| neozen | that's connected to your bus | 03:00 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen, i sent it...you get it? | 03:01 |
| Prisoner_ | nice the system uses few resources | 03:01 |
| vidd_laptop | dmesg | 03:01 |
| mark487 | i think lspci lists the hardware. don't think is lists main memory allocated to video... | 03:01 |
| neozen | no | 03:02 |
| vidd_laptop | !dmesg | 03:02 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about dmesg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:02 |
| neozen | mark: it doesn't list that | 03:02 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:02 |
| neozen | that bot needs an overhaul | 03:02 |
| neozen | really badly | 03:02 |
| vidd_laptop | mark487, try dmesg | 03:02 |
| neozen | even just a minor one | 03:02 |
| neozen | mark: run from the commandline | 03:03 |
| vidd_laptop | that will give you your shoe size | 03:03 |
| mark487 | hmm, what's dmesg? | 03:03 |
| vidd_laptop | only everything our kernel did since boot | 03:03 |
| neozen | yeah.. that | 03:03 |
| vidd_laptop | *your | 03:03 |
| vidd_laptop | the shoe size thing was NOT ment for this window! | 03:04 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:05 |
| vidd_laptop | please disregaurd it! | 03:05 |
| vidd_laptop | and dont ask!!!! | 03:05 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 03:05 |
| neozen | Fetish:Foot-age:Forum | 03:05 |
| cellofellow | 13 | 03:06 |
| neozen | lol | 03:07 |
| vidd_laptop | neozen, it was a private joke in poor taste inolving various parts of the ananomy, alternative mesuring techniques and preconcived notions | 03:07 |
| neozen | and mine was something to make those who'd read _pattern recognition_ smile | 03:08 |
| neozen | ...maybe | 03:08 |
| vidd_laptop | weknow it is REALLY the other chat channels your in....lol | 03:08 |
| neozen | lol | 03:08 |
| neozen | not quite | 03:09 |
| vidd_laptop | yeah...to docle? | 03:09 |
| neozen | docle/ | 03:09 |
| neozen | ? | 03:09 |
| vidd_laptop | man...what is UP with my TYPING today????? | 03:09 |
| vidd_laptop | docile | 03:09 |
| neozen | nah... just not a foot man | 03:10 |
| neozen | ANyway | 03:11 |
| neozen | mark: any luck? | 03:11 |
| cellofellow | hmph. this Project Utopia stuff is not very utopian. | 03:11 |
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| neozen | ....there's a sheep in the room | 03:11 |
| === neozen pokes TheSheep | ||
| neozen | and no... before you say anything..... I'm not a sheep man either | 03:12 |
| === neozen chuckles | ||
| vidd_laptop | that was soooo baaaaaaaaad | 03:12 |
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| cellofellow | Radomir rocks. | 03:13 |
| neozen | greetings laibsc1 | 03:13 |
| DawnLight | wow everything works | 03:13 |
| neozen | ...well dawn... it is linux | 03:13 |
| neozen | ...sometimes these things just happen | 03:13 |
| neozen | ....like they did for me | 03:13 |
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| DawnLight | now configuring internet | 03:13 |
| neozen | ..practically out of the box | 03:14 |
| DawnLight | i wonder if my isp will support me now that ive crossed over | 03:14 |
| neozen | ....once I fixed that stupid bios issue | 03:14 |
| neozen | dawn: what isp do you have? | 03:14 |
| neozen | dialup? | 03:14 |
| DawnLight | cable | 03:14 |
| neozen | yes | 03:14 |
| neozen | ..they'll support you | 03:14 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, what contry? | 03:14 |
| DawnLight | israel | 03:15 |
| neozen | they just won't care if you call | 03:15 |
| vidd_laptop | my isp's wont support me | 03:15 |
| vidd_laptop | not even the one i WORK for! | 03:15 |
| DawnLight | l | 03:15 |
| neozen | but if you properly configure your computer ... it will work with their internet.... THATS how they support you | 03:15 |
| cellofellow | use a router on cable and you'll be fine | 03:15 |
| neozen | you don't get help desk w/ linux | 03:15 |
| neozen | *don't -> rarely | 03:16 |
| DawnLight | im gonna call them anyway | 03:16 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:16 |
| DawnLight | see how it goes | 03:16 |
| cellofellow | unless you are big company and shelled out for RHEL | 03:16 |
| vidd_laptop | why? you have issues? | 03:16 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:16 |
| neozen | THEN you get support | 03:16 |
| neozen | you just hand over your first born in return | 03:16 |
| vidd_laptop | i called my dsl company to ask them a question about the web interface in my modem, and when they found out i was running linux, they kept trying to hang up on me | 03:17 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:18 |
| neozen | yeah... that's the standard experience | 03:18 |
| vidd_laptop | its SO not funny | 03:18 |
| vidd_laptop | i told thm...its a WEB INTERFACE....it dont MATTER what my OS is | 03:19 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:20 |
| R[a] ndom | never ever tell the truth about that | 03:20 |
| neozen | yeah | 03:20 |
| R[a] ndom | especially to customer service bots | 03:20 |
| vidd_laptop | so i said "prentent i have winxp" | 03:21 |
| vidd_laptop | they said "put the disk in" | 03:21 |
| neozen | if they ask for your OS and you say internet explorer... THEN you're in the prime group who calls help-desk | 03:21 |
| R[a] ndom | I was asked what OS I ran once, and told them "uhh, windows, if it makes your life easier?" and she asked a what I meant so I told her I have Linux "Linksys?" no, Linux "What's that?" | 03:21 |
| vidd_laptop | i asked to be transfered to someone who KNOWS something or a supervisor | 03:21 |
| R[a] ndom | the only hard part about lying is remembering what happens when you click things in windows | 03:22 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:22 |
| R[a] ndom | if they ask me what I see in my network configuration settings or something | 03:22 |
| neozen | that's not that hard to remember | 03:22 |
| neozen | ....things go BOOM! | 03:22 |
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| cellofellow | hehe | 03:22 |
| neozen | random: just type ifconfig | 03:22 |
| neozen | same information | 03:23 |
| R[a] ndom | and the windows network config pane will appear? | 03:23 |
| neozen | no | 03:23 |
| neozen | better | 03:23 |
| R[a] ndom | dude, the problem wasnt getting the info, the problem is knowing what the window looks like | 03:23 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:23 |
| neozen | stick a screenshot up on your wall near the computer | 03:23 |
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| R[a] ndom | not that big of a deal, I dont have to do well | 03:24 |
| R[a] ndom | generally I call them to tell them what the problem is. I find if I figure it out on my end first, I can generally get past the scripts | 03:24 |
| vidd_laptop | the real issue is that these dsl modems come with this crippleware in them.... | 03:24 |
| R[a] ndom | ? | 03:24 |
| vidd_laptop | yahoo or msn crap | 03:25 |
| cellofellow | I think my DSL modem has Linux and DNSmasq, but I run Linux and DNSMasq on a custom server just to be able to fully tweak it. | 03:25 |
| R[a] ndom | <3 dnsmasq | 03:25 |
| R[a] ndom | +opendns servers | 03:25 |
| vidd_laptop | all i wanted to do was disable it cuzz the junk wont load the internet without signing up with it | 03:26 |
| R[a] ndom | both here and at my parents place we have ISPs who have no idea how to set up proper dns | 03:26 |
| R[a] ndom | my parents ISP asked me for the alternate dns servers I was using, because he didn't 'know that trick' | 03:26 |
| vidd_laptop | R[a] ndom, who is your isp? | 03:26 |
| cellofellow | my ISP's DNS is ok, but the modem's is a little flakey. | 03:26 |
| R[a] ndom | here sympatico, but my parents is a smalltown wireless deal | 03:26 |
| R[a] ndom | great guys tho, I like smalltown isps. | 03:26 |
| cellofellow | I got Qwest, and will get smalltown Fiber-optic by christmastime. | 03:27 |
| vidd_laptop | cellofellow, i HATE you =] | 03:27 |
| cellofellow | You knew I was getting fiber. | 03:27 |
| vidd_laptop | dieticians and 'net-fiends agree....you can NEVER get too much fibre | 03:28 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 03:28 |
| vidd_laptop | cellofellow, yes...but I'm still jelous | 03:28 |
| cellofellow | what I want for mounting drives is something like MUT in Puppy. | 03:29 |
| cellofellow | sorry vidd. | 03:29 |
| cellofellow | perhaps a ROX appdir version. Now, where is my Puppy CD? | 03:30 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:30 |
| vidd_laptop | verizion didnt bring DSL into my area until 3 months ago | 03:30 |
| vidd_laptop | and when i cancelled my dial-tone to use skyp, they cut off my DSL.... | 03:31 |
| vidd_laptop | im like WTF!!!! | 03:31 |
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| vidd_laptop | they say"oh, you cant have just DSL without telephone" | 03:32 |
| R[a] ndom | vidd_laptop, you should have known they wouldnt just asssume you wanted dry dsl and then set it up :P | 03:32 |
| neozen | indeed | 03:32 |
| vidd_laptop | especially since the phone was in one name and the dsl was in another | 03:32 |
| R[a] ndom | I specifically asked, and due to new regulations they had to probide it, but they still cut off my internet service for a couple days | 03:32 |
| neozen | when dealing with corperate america... always assume they will fuck something up | 03:33 |
| neozen | *corporate | 03:33 |
| R[a] ndom | this past summer I asked them to suspend my dsl line, they said no prob.. I told them to turn it on a week earlier than I wanted cause I knew theyd screw it up.. | 03:33 |
| R[a] ndom | when I got back home I was surprised that everything worked, thoughd I'd been too harsh on them | 03:33 |
| R[a] ndom | then the next month I got a bill for 4 months usage | 03:33 |
| neozen | hehehehehehehehehe | 03:34 |
| R[a] ndom | I called the guy up and told him my story, and he said yeah no problem, credited me the money, and told me how much my new payment was.. | 03:34 |
| R[a] ndom | then 3 days later my connection goes down | 03:34 |
| neozen | LOL | 03:34 |
| R[a] ndom | I call up and ask WTF is happeneing. "oh the computer says you put your account on suspension 3 days ago for a period of 3 months" | 03:34 |
| vidd_laptop | but how can you link (and bill) | 03:34 |
| R[a] ndom | from then on I've written time, date, employee number, confirmation number, etc on a piece of paper I keep. | 03:35 |
| vidd_laptop | two sevices to two different ppl? | 03:35 |
| vidd_laptop | and still say they are "combined offering"? | 03:35 |
| vidd_laptop | talk about vender lock-in | 03:36 |
| DawnLight | okay im back | 03:36 |
| R[a] ndom | YAY! | 03:36 |
| DawnLight | how you all doing | 03:36 |
| vidd_laptop | we are complaining about ISP's | 03:36 |
| cellofellow | complaining about isps | 03:36 |
| DawnLight | i started it? | 03:36 |
| vidd_laptop | yep | 03:37 |
| mark487 | hey, from before, the file I couldn't remember was /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 03:37 |
| DawnLight | well the report is that they do not support linux | 03:37 |
| cellofellow | no one does, really. | 03:37 |
| vidd_laptop | OMG!!!! im SOOO [not] SHOCKED!!!!!!! | 03:37 |
| DawnLight | and so not cynical | 03:37 |
| cellofellow | like in hardware, only nvidia really supports linux. usually it's the other way around. linux kernel supports hardware. | 03:38 |
| DawnLight | cylindrical | 03:38 |
| DawnLight | we should all be supporting each other | 03:38 |
| cellofellow | yeah, well, tell that to wireless chip makers. | 03:38 |
| vidd_laptop | <.< >.> | 03:38 |
| vidd_laptop | dont we already? | 03:38 |
| DawnLight | we are | 03:39 |
| DawnLight | anyway i have something called an sb4200 surfboard cable modem by motorola | 03:39 |
| DawnLight | it is used to connect me to the internet via my computer | 03:40 |
| mark487 | lateron | 03:40 |
| mark487 | and thx | 03:40 |
| vidd_laptop | the sb4200 is rather linux friendly | 03:41 |
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| vidd_laptop | you should not have any issues | 03:41 |
| cellofellow | a good isp is one that stays out of your way, imho. | 03:41 |
| DawnLight | and the dude from the support said that if it was connected to the computer via ethernet then linux would have automatically done everything | 03:41 |
| vidd_laptop | just use the RJ45 cable not the USB cable to connect your computer to it | 03:41 |
| cellofellow | you should have a dhcp server somewhere. | 03:42 |
| cellofellow | get a router. :) | 03:42 |
| DawnLight | and what if i wanted to use the usb | 03:42 |
| DawnLight | which i really do | 03:42 |
| cellofellow | my disk (I think it's my disk) is clicking. not good. | 03:43 |
| vidd_laptop | you WANT sub-standard performance? | 03:43 |
| vidd_laptop | i used to have that modem | 03:43 |
| cellofellow | the usb thing usually uses some proprietary protocol anyways, I think. | 03:43 |
| vidd_laptop | the usb never worked right....even with windows | 03:44 |
| DawnLight | well, this computer i am using now uses the ethernet on the same modem and its in another room | 03:44 |
| DawnLight | hence the running back and fourth | 03:44 |
| cellofellow | I wouldn't expect it to. The USB isn't designed to be a NIC. | 03:44 |
| cellofellow | dinner time | 03:44 |
| vidd_laptop | its a flawed design that most [if not all] modem makers have abandoned | 03:45 |
| vidd_laptop | hence why most new mobo's havebuilt in nic's | 03:45 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, get you a wireless router (preferably a linksys) and a wireless nic card | 03:46 |
| DawnLight | in a few days i will move to another apartment and buy a new pc | 03:47 |
| DawnLight | maybe ill buy a wireless lan card and see if i get internet from somewhere | 03:48 |
| vidd_laptop | before you BUY the card....research it to make sure it is linux-friendly | 03:49 |
| DawnLight | absolutely | 03:49 |
| DawnLight | so anyway - sb4200 via usb... worked alright until now with winxp | 03:50 |
| DawnLight | what is this: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1683 | 03:52 |
| vidd_laptop | the linksys wmp54g wireless PCI card is auto-detected by linux and works out of the box | 03:52 |
| === neozen nos | ||
| neozen | I've heard great things about that one | 03:53 |
| neozen | ....I have a buddy who won't shut up about his | 03:53 |
| neozen | lol | 03:53 |
| DawnLight | haha | 03:53 |
| neozen | the intel pro wireless 3945abg is what's in my laptop | 03:54 |
| neozen | ...and it works spectacularly well | 03:54 |
| neozen | I didn't have to configure a thing | 03:54 |
| neozen | ...just installed network-manager-gnome | 03:54 |
| neozen | and away I go | 03:54 |
| vidd_laptop | hmmm....i might have to buy me 2 of them | 03:56 |
| vidd_laptop | i have 2 laptops | 03:57 |
| vidd_laptop | one is still running windows | 03:57 |
| vidd_laptop | when i get the cash to replace the busted monitor on it....its getting linux as well | 03:58 |
| DawnLight | how do i know if linux recognized the modem? | 03:59 |
| vidd_laptop | depends..... | 04:00 |
| vidd_laptop | you using the usb? | 04:00 |
| DawnLight | its connected yes | 04:01 |
| vidd_laptop | connected with usb? | 04:01 |
| DawnLight | it was connected through the installation | 04:01 |
| DawnLight | the usb yes | 04:01 |
| vidd_laptop | can it browse the web? | 04:01 |
| DawnLight | no | 04:01 |
| vidd_laptop | then no...linux dont see it | 04:02 |
| vidd_laptop | or it sees it as a usb devise that dont do anything | 04:02 |
| DawnLight | during installation i chose to not configure network | 04:02 |
| vidd_laptop | go to network-admin | 04:02 |
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| vidd_laptop | is it listed? | 04:02 |
| DawnLight | how do i get there | 04:03 |
| vidd_laptop | sudo network-admin | 04:03 |
| DawnLight | btw how do i switch back to gui when im in terminal | 04:04 |
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| vidd_laptop | {ctrl] [alt] [f7] | 04:04 |
| DawnLight | hold on | 04:04 |
| vidd_laptop | but you can open a terminal in the gui.....system terminal | 04:04 |
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| DawnLight | hey what is this | 04:05 |
| vidd_laptop | ? | 04:05 |
| DawnLight | i think the screensaver froze the system | 04:05 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 04:05 |
| DawnLight | i see a geometric shape [not moving] | 04:06 |
| DawnLight | hehehe | 04:06 |
| vidd_laptop | [ctrl] [alt] [bcksp] will restart x | 04:07 |
| DawnLight | if i press alt f2 and nothing happens it means reset time? | 04:07 |
| vidd_laptop | no....[ctrl] [alt] [f2] | 04:07 |
| DawnLight | that doesnt work also | 04:08 |
| vidd_laptop | if THAT does nothing....reset time | 04:08 |
| vidd_laptop | then when you reboot, turn off the screen saver | 04:08 |
| DawnLight | with windows a screen saver never hung my system | 04:09 |
| DawnLight | lol | 04:09 |
| vidd_laptop | then you havent had windows as long as i have | 04:10 |
| vidd_laptop | i got my first BSOD from a screen saver | 04:10 |
| DawnLight | speaking of bsod: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/CVSBSOD.jpg | 04:14 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 04:15 |
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| DawnLight | how was dinner | 04:30 |
| cellofellow | potatoes | 04:36 |
| DawnLight | so i guess no internet for me via usb then... | 04:42 |
| vidd_laptop | cellofellow, so is potatoes GOOD ormiret wndowsish? | 04:42 |
| DawnLight | although i've found some alot of information on how to hack the modem | 04:42 |
| DawnLight | to get a higher limit | 04:43 |
| vidd_laptop | so then...no, your network-admin did NOT see your modem | 04:43 |
| DawnLight | that will be nice | 04:43 |
| DawnLight | they look? | 04:43 |
| vidd_laptop | sorry ormiret (stupid tab complete) | 04:43 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, did you LOOK at network-admin? | 04:44 |
| DawnLight | oh i forgot | 04:44 |
| vidd_laptop | you FORGOT | 04:45 |
| vidd_laptop | i give you instructions on how to get your usb connection to work and you FORGET to look?!? | 04:45 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 04:45 |
| DawnLight | its 5am | 04:46 |
| DawnLight | anyway it says cannot display or something | 04:46 |
| vidd_laptop | open a terminal...... | 04:47 |
| cellofellow | I STILL can't mount removable devices. There are like NO good, independent graphical frontends. | 04:47 |
| vidd_laptop | system>terminal | 04:47 |
| DawnLight | gtk warning: cannot open display | 04:47 |
| cellofellow | weird | 04:47 |
| cellofellow | don't use sudo, it can make things do that. use gksu | 04:48 |
| cellofellow | same syntax. | 04:48 |
| vidd_laptop | cellofellow, he is doing it from [ctrl] [alt] [f2] ...not a terminal | 04:48 |
| cellofellow | oh, do DISPLAY=:0.0 | 04:49 |
| cellofellow | that will make it use the X server. | 04:49 |
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| cellofellow | I tried hacking Puppy's MUT mounting tool, but it's way to designed for puppy. | 04:49 |
| DawnLight | i thought ctrl alt f2 is a terminal | 04:49 |
| cellofellow | it's a virtual terminal, and it's DISPLAY setting isn't set by default. | 04:50 |
| vidd_laptop | no...that is tty2 | 04:50 |
| cellofellow | try echo $DISPLAY | 04:50 |
| cellofellow | unless you already set it | 04:50 |
| DawnLight | didnt | 04:50 |
| vidd_laptop | or hit [alt] [f2] and type terminal in the run box | 04:51 |
| cellofellow | Terminal not terminal | 04:51 |
| vidd_laptop | yeah....caps matter | 04:51 |
| === cellofellow was able to send an army of xpenguins to a windows box running xming with the DISPLAY setting. | ||
| DawnLight | okay in terminal | 04:52 |
| cellofellow | DISPLAY=gfam:0.0 | 04:52 |
| cellofellow | and then xpenguins | 04:52 |
| cellofellow | hehe | 04:52 |
| DawnLight | i have three connections there | 04:55 |
| DawnLight | two wired and one modem | 04:55 |
| vidd_laptop | you can set things us so you can go to a tty and have whtever you type show up in a box on another linux box? | 04:55 |
| cellofellow | yeah, although usually Xaccess will block you. | 04:55 |
| vidd_laptop | one of the wired is your usb modem | 04:55 |
| R[a] ndom | WTF at xpenguins | 04:55 |
| cellofellow | !xpenguins | 04:55 |
| ubotu | xpenguins: little penguins walk on your windows. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2-4 (edgy), package size 218 kB, installed size 1316 kB | 04:55 |
| R[a] ndom | no I just installed it | 04:55 |
| R[a] ndom | it leaves horrible trails | 04:56 |
| cellofellow | yeah, but it's not that bad. | 04:56 |
| cellofellow | They don't work when using the ROX pinboard. They float around under it. | 04:56 |
| vidd_laptop | R[a] ndom, its the prank factor! | 04:56 |
| R[a] ndom | it certainly worked on me | 04:56 |
| R[a] ndom | now my desktop is all messed up, even after I close it | 04:56 |
| cellofellow | did you close with xpenguins-stop ? | 04:57 |
| === vidd_laptop wonders how to remote it onto all the work computer....WITHOT getting fired..... | ||
| R[a] ndom | no, I ctrl C'd the process in the terminal, and the penguins left but their traces didnt | 04:57 |
| R[a] ndom | fixed now, I just xkill'd my desktop | 04:57 |
| cellofellow | you mouse over the traces and they should just disappear. | 04:58 |
| vidd_laptop | you mave penguin droppings all over your screen! | 04:58 |
| cellofellow | yeah, it's something up with xfdesktop. | 04:58 |
| R[a] ndom | nah they didnt | 04:58 |
| cellofellow | hope this works | 04:58 |
| cellofellow | !usbmount | 04:58 |
| ubotu | usbmount: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.14ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB | 04:58 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, what are the names of the 2 wired interfaces? | 04:59 |
| DawnLight | i have internet! | 04:59 |
| cellofellow | yahoo! | 04:59 |
| vidd_laptop | nvmd | 04:59 |
| cellofellow | or not actually | 04:59 |
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| DawnLight | i enabled the first one and checked a v and viola! | 05:00 |
| cellofellow | waaaaay to many people have my name. | 05:00 |
| vidd_laptop | i have a josh in the house | 05:00 |
| vidd_laptop | hes' about your age too...... | 05:01 |
| DawnLight | ill go chat from there! exiting! | 05:01 |
| DawnLight | *exciting | 05:01 |
| vidd_laptop | we built a computer from parts for his senior prdject | 05:01 |
| vidd_laptop | and its 100% M$ free | 05:01 |
| cellofellow | nice | 05:02 |
| cellofellow | ok, usbmount NOT what I wanted. | 05:03 |
| vidd_laptop | yeah...its a kick @$$ system | 05:03 |
| vidd_laptop | 64bit processor | 05:03 |
| === cellofellow will be getting job soon, he hopes. Then he can build stuff. | ||
| vidd_laptop | half a gig of ram | 05:03 |
| cellofellow | bot bad at all. | 05:03 |
| vidd_laptop | 120gig hdd | 05:03 |
| vidd_laptop | dvd burner | 05:04 |
| vidd_laptop | WORKING wireless card.... | 05:04 |
| vidd_laptop | only cost ME 400$ | 05:04 |
| cellofellow | now, the programming language with the most stupid name has to be BrainFuck. | 05:05 |
| vidd_laptop | im going to build an identical system for myself | 05:05 |
| cellofellow | cool | 05:05 |
| vidd_laptop | add a multi card reader | 05:06 |
| cellofellow | how hard is it to put together your own laptop, do you think? | 05:06 |
| vidd_laptop | 4 gig of ram (if the card HOLDS that much) | 05:06 |
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| vidd_laptop | pretty hard acually | 05:06 |
| DawnLight_from_t | oh my god | 05:06 |
| DawnLight_from_t | i can see you | 05:06 |
| vidd_laptop | cuzz the cases are hard to find new | 05:06 |
| DawnLight_from_t | no more running back and fourth | 05:07 |
| DawnLight_from_t | just one more time though | 05:07 |
| DawnLight | hehe | 05:07 |
| DawnLight | from there | 05:07 |
| vidd_laptop | you should register your nick..... | 05:08 |
| vidd_laptop | so you can "kill" it when you sign on at another location | 05:08 |
| cellofellow | ghost is cool | 05:09 |
| vidd_laptop | cellofellow, im acually considering looking at getting laptop parts (new) and building a laptop | 05:10 |
| cellofellow | just curious, what's anybody's favorite terminal emulator besides xfce4-terminal or xterm? | 05:10 |
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| vidd_laptop | there is a choice? | 05:10 |
| === vidd_laptop is acually NOT surprised | ||
| === vidd_laptop uses whatever is present | ||
| cellofellow | I sure would like a lappy, and i want to get things as cheap as possible and M$ free. | 05:11 |
| cellofellow | urxvt is nice. | 05:11 |
| vidd_laptop | make up your mind cellofellow cheep or M$ free? | 05:12 |
| cellofellow | they DON'T go hand in hand? | 05:12 |
| vidd_laptop | no | 05:12 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | Yes. | 05:13 |
| vidd_laptop | it is acually MORE expensive to NOT have a windows install laptop | 05:13 |
| DawnLight_from_t | how is it so? | 05:13 |
| vidd_laptop | because the maker gets a kickback from all the crapware tht gets pre-installed | 05:14 |
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| cellofellow | more expensive to build yourself too? | 05:14 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | Macbooks, man. Macbooks. | 05:14 |
| vidd_laptop | *nod* PuMpErNiCkLe | 05:14 |
| DawnLight | where does one buy new laptop parts? | 05:15 |
| vidd_laptop | from the manufacturers | 05:15 |
| vidd_laptop | and you pay premium | 05:15 |
| DawnLight | premium means mucho? | 05:15 |
| vidd_laptop | its like 6x more expensive to buy the parts then to get it whole | 05:15 |
| DawnLight | wow | 05:16 |
| DawnLight | then how come you considering it | 05:16 |
| DawnLight | i think my computer just whistled | 05:16 |
| vidd_laptop | to get a NEW 17" screen for the lappy the kid cracked will cost me 50-some dollars less then the laptop did | 05:16 |
| cellofellow | so, I guess the only way to actually get a laptop is to buy from Apple or HP or Dell? | 05:17 |
| === vidd_laptop wants 100% linux friendly | ||
| cellofellow | ok, ivman mounted my usb drive, but it won't let me unmount it. | 05:17 |
| vidd_laptop | and the only way to do that is to build it myself with parts i KNOW are linux friendly, or buy a mac and pray | 05:18 |
| vidd_laptop | are mac modems linux freindly? | 05:19 |
| cellofellow | who needs modems? | 05:19 |
| vidd_laptop | hmmmmi work for a DIAL-UP internet company..... | 05:19 |
| DawnLight | hold up are you saying you cant find a linux friendly laptop? | 05:19 |
| vidd_laptop | i need to troubleshoot dial-up issues | 05:20 |
| DawnLight | i would imagine manufacturers would support linux | 05:20 |
| cellofellow | Well, EmperorLinux and other companies will add Linux for you, but it costs extra. | 05:20 |
| cellofellow | wake up | 05:20 |
| vidd_laptop | i have not found one yet | 05:21 |
| DawnLight | you mean to tell me that windows is for sleeping consciousness | 05:21 |
| R[a] ndom | lots of laptops work great with linux | 05:21 |
| R[a] ndom | just need to google and find out which ones work | 05:21 |
| vidd_laptop | yes they work...but not 100% | 05:21 |
| cellofellow | oh, I'm sure lots of stuff works, but it's just difficult. | 05:22 |
| DawnLight | and that switching to linux is an expression of my awakening? | 05:22 |
| R[a] ndom | I put a live cd into my friends laptop, and wireless worked, cpu throttled, shut down properly, etc. | 05:22 |
| R[a] ndom | dont know what more you guys want | 05:22 |
| vidd_laptop | dial-up work? | 05:22 |
| cellofellow | well, lots of hardware works, it's just companies don't put "Supported on Linux" stickers on their devices. | 05:23 |
| DawnLight | they should | 05:23 |
| cellofellow | hey, I'm fine. | 05:23 |
| R[a] ndom | vidd_laptop, actually I do see where youre coming from.. I bet it wouldnt have | 05:23 |
| R[a] ndom | considering I bet they all have winmodems | 05:23 |
| cellofellow | well, me do DawnLight | 05:23 |
| R[a] ndom | youll have to get an old serial 56k | 05:23 |
| R[a] ndom | with the fancy on/off toggle and the blinkenlights | 05:23 |
| vidd_laptop | i acually have a pcmcia modem card that IS linux frendly | 05:25 |
| DawnLight | wow ill put a sticker on my box that says "Linux Inside" or something | 05:25 |
| vidd_laptop | if only my brother would give it back | 05:25 |
| cellofellow | DawnLight: one sec, I have a link to something like that. | 05:25 |
| DawnLight | yes | 05:25 |
| vidd_laptop | "what do you need it for...you have DSL" | 05:25 |
| DawnLight | do i have wine here in xubuntu? | 05:26 |
| vidd_laptop | this is the same brother that says "my windows machine is secure and virus free...i ran norton's last year and it was fine" | 05:27 |
| cellofellow | http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64 | 05:27 |
| cellofellow | free Ubuntu stickers to replace that "Designed for Windows" sticker. | 05:27 |
| vidd_laptop | only costs ya postage\ | 05:27 |
| vidd_laptop | i need 40\ | 05:28 |
| vidd_laptop | 4 | 05:28 |
| cellofellow | postage? what's a quarter and then some? this is cool stickers! I now you like stickers vidd. | 05:28 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight is in isreal cellofellow | 05:29 |
| cellofellow | you should be able to get a fully Linux-compatible laptop and System76 | 05:29 |
| cellofellow | he can order from the Turkey address. | 05:29 |
| vidd_laptop | i checked....the modems dont work | 05:30 |
| cellofellow | what? | 05:30 |
| DawnLight | i'll print it | 05:30 |
| DawnLight | i have stickers paper | 05:30 |
| DawnLight | thanks that wonderful | 05:30 |
| cellofellow | vidd_laptop: what about ShopRCubed.com? | 05:30 |
| vidd_laptop | let me look.... | 05:31 |
| cellofellow | this looks like it rocks. http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/1_11 | 05:32 |
| vidd_laptop | * - Feature not supported in Linux at this time | 05:32 |
| vidd_laptop | Modem 56 kbs V.92 Fax Modem * | 05:33 |
| vidd_laptop | they ALL have it | 05:33 |
| cellofellow | on ShopRCubed or System76? | 05:33 |
| vidd_laptop | both | 05:33 |
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| cellofellow | what about EmperorLinux? | 05:34 |
| desres | Hey, I was going to try and download xubuntu, but are the downloaded iso's automatically LiveCD's, or are they going to default install linux when i reboot? | 05:35 |
| cellofellow | alt will install, desktop will be live | 05:36 |
| vidd_laptop | cellofellow, the raven looks awesome | 05:37 |
| === cellofellow looks | ||
| vidd_laptop | but again...i bet it either has NO dial-up, or the dial-up is a win-modem | 05:38 |
| cellofellow | it's a linux-ised and customized Lenova Thinkpad | 05:38 |
| cellofellow | tablet. cool | 05:39 |
| cellofellow | I think I'd rather the Toucan | 05:39 |
| cellofellow | ah! EmperorLinux is much more expensive than System76 or ShopRCubed. | 05:40 |
| vidd_laptop | SWEET!!!!! they biometric scan is working in linux now! | 05:41 |
| vidd_laptop | FINALLY!!!!! | 05:41 |
| DawnLight | should i install ubuntu on my new pc or xubuntu? | 05:41 |
| vidd_laptop | that depends | 05:42 |
| cellofellow | I knew that they got GDM working with it. | 05:42 |
| cellofellow | well, Xubuntu rocks for speed on any box. | 05:42 |
| vidd_laptop | will it be light on resourses? | 05:42 |
| DawnLight | hey get a chip implant and get it over with | 05:42 |
| DawnLight | amd 64x2 3800+ | 05:43 |
| vidd_laptop | sorry DawnLight .... no foreign objects are going into THIS sack of flesh! | 05:43 |
| DawnLight | dual core baby | 05:43 |
| DawnLight | i agree vidd | 05:43 |
| DawnLight | but im guessing you have some screws in your mouth | 05:43 |
| vidd_laptop | you better get a heavy case if you put xubuntu on that ! | 05:44 |
| DawnLight | a heavy case what do you mean? | 05:44 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, no....why would i have screws in my mouth? | 05:44 |
| vidd_laptop | that system will FLY with xubuntu | 05:45 |
| DawnLight | i have one. the dentist put it there. i trusted him and he did that. oh well i guess he meant well | 05:45 |
| vidd_laptop | they wanted to do that too...dental implants..... | 05:46 |
| vidd_laptop | i said...i dont need teeth | 05:46 |
| DawnLight | on the other hand it will look better with ubuntu, right? | 05:46 |
| DawnLight | lol | 05:46 |
| vidd_laptop | DawnLight, no joke | 05:46 |
| vidd_laptop | i have had no teeth for ...what...3 years now? | 05:47 |
| cellofellow | Xubuntu can look awesome too. | 05:47 |
| vidd_laptop | no...more like five | 05:47 |
| DawnLight | its nice right now but very slow on this celeron 1400 | 05:48 |
| DawnLight | no teeth at all? | 05:48 |
| vidd_laptop | ubuntu or xubuntu? | 05:48 |
| vidd_laptop | none | 05:48 |
| DawnLight | xu | 05:48 |
| vidd_laptop | so i cant eat corn off the cob | 05:48 |
| vidd_laptop | or fried chicken off the bone | 05:48 |
| DawnLight | how come you have none | 05:49 |
| DawnLight | you kidding me | 05:49 |
| vidd_laptop | cuzz i wont have implants | 05:49 |
| vidd_laptop | no im not kidding | 05:49 |
| DawnLight | how bout you grow some | 05:49 |
| vidd_laptop | ?? | 05:49 |
| DawnLight | im sure its not far from you to do so | 05:49 |
| DawnLight | if the mind gives the order and the body has the nurishment i see no reason to not get that output | 05:50 |
| DawnLight | aligators grow them all the time i think | 05:50 |
| DawnLight | sharks also if im not mistaken | 05:51 |
| vidd_laptop | so do shark...but im no lawyer! | 05:51 |
| DawnLight | haha | 05:51 |
| DawnLight | not without teeth youre not | 05:51 |
| vidd_laptop | i dont miss them really | 05:52 |
| DawnLight | i totally agree with you on the implants | 05:52 |
| DawnLight | nasty stuff | 05:52 |
| vidd_laptop | i DID have the oppertunity to tell someone "What ya gunna do...knock my teeth out?" | 05:53 |
| vidd_laptop | [he didnt find it amusing for some reason" | 05:53 |
| === DawnLight giggles | ||
| R[a] ndom | Whats nasty about implants | 05:55 |
| R[a] ndom | I know a chick who has pretty much all implants | 05:55 |
| DawnLight | i bet shes nasty | 05:55 |
| R[a] ndom | not at all :P | 05:55 |
| DawnLight | lol | 05:55 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 05:55 |
| R[a] ndom | I didnt know until she told me | 05:56 |
| vidd_laptop | what was his name? | 05:56 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 05:56 |
| DawnLight | lol | 05:56 |
| vidd_laptop | R[a] ndom, just kidding man | 05:56 |
| vidd_laptop | i see the body as a natual element...not to be corrupted by machinary[like the borg] | 05:57 |
| R[a] ndom | vidd_laptop, resistance is futile | 05:57 |
| vidd_laptop | i feel the same about transplants | 05:58 |
| R[a] ndom | feeling is irrelevant. | 05:58 |
| vidd_laptop | lol | 05:58 |
| DawnLight | lol | 05:58 |
| vidd_laptop | i will not comply | 05:58 |
| R[a] ndom | then you will be destroyed. | 05:58 |
| vidd_laptop | compliance is irrelevent | 05:59 |
| R[a] ndom | so this is the kind of people I talk to online. | 05:59 |
| R[a] ndom | lol | 05:59 |
| DawnLight | ceise current negative procedures | 05:59 |
| R[a] ndom | hm | 05:59 |
| vidd_laptop | if we werentlike this...ya think we'd be ca\hatting ONLINE???? | 05:59 |
| R[a] ndom | probably not in a linux chat room | 05:59 |
| DawnLight | commence positive actions protocol | 05:59 |
| R[a] ndom | ^ not very borg :P | 06:00 |
| vidd_laptop | but DawnLight the old lady's ASLEEP! | 06:00 |
| vidd_laptop | [also nt very borg-like] | 06:00 |
| vidd_laptop | R[a] ndom, you know anything about this bcm43xx driver? | 06:01 |
| DawnLight | if above=true proceed idle status | 06:02 |
| R[a] ndom | uh | 06:02 |
| DawnLight | so i think i installed wine now... | 06:02 |
| R[a] ndom | !bcm43xx | 06:02 |
| ubotu | Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 06:02 |
| R[a] ndom | now I know that ^ | 06:02 |
| cellofellow | vidd_laptop: if no one knows in #xubuntu, try #ubuntu. Sometimes I've had to go all the way to #linux or ##linux to get help on generic things. | 06:02 |
| R[a] ndom | I've never used a wireless card | 06:03 |
| R[a] ndom | I like my cables | 06:03 |
| vidd_laptop | i like them too...but they dont reach the bathroom! | 06:03 |
| vidd_laptop | ok...im off to ubuntu for some answers [i hope] | 06:04 |
| DawnLight | i consider the bathroom a stop for pencil fun | 06:04 |
| cellofellow | gnight | 06:04 |
| DawnLight | do i need to restart because i dont see wine in my menu | 06:06 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | It won't show up in your menu. | 06:07 |
| DawnLight | how come | 06:07 |
| PuMpErNiCkLe | They didn't make a .desktop file for it. | 06:08 |
| DawnLight | okay ill go read the documentation | 06:08 |
| DawnLight | thanks | 06:08 |
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| joe4444 | is it possible to upgrade xubuntu to ubuntu? | 06:47 |
| joe4444 | for some reason my cd-rw keeps failing when i try to burn the ubuntu edgy live cd (i think b/c the iso is 698mb) but worked on the first try with the xubuntu iso, which is only 540mb | 06:48 |
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| vidd_laptop | *wave maxamillion | 07:02 |
| emdash | ummm | 07:06 |
| emdash | i found a problem with edgy | 07:06 |
| vidd_laptop | what is it? | 07:06 |
| emdash | Terminal.app conflicts with xfce-terminal | 07:06 |
| emdash | both packages try to create a file called Terminal | 07:06 |
| emdash | but the conflict isn't in the package description apparenlty | 07:07 |
| emdash | http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/9391/ | 07:08 |
| emdash | http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/9393/ | 07:09 |
| crimsun | I'll update terminal.app and xfce4-terminal accordingly with Conflicts; thanks. | 07:10 |
| emdash | cool | 07:14 |
| emdash | no probelm | 07:14 |
| emdash | *problem | 07:14 |
| crimsun | both uploaded. | 07:16 |
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| mjl | hello | 07:45 |
| maxamillion | hi | 07:47 |
| mjl | looking for a recommendation for a video editor... | 07:48 |
| maxamillion | mjl: video editor ... hmmmm, i don't do any editing myself so i would be of no help :( | 07:50 |
| mjl | well, while no help, that is officially my first IRC msg that has been responded to. | 07:54 |
| mjl | so I'll consider it a victory. | 07:54 |
| maxamillion | i try to do as much as possible :) | 07:56 |
| maxamillion | mjl: where all have you been posting? | 07:56 |
| mjl | just here... | 07:56 |
| mjl | just installed xubuntu about 30 minutes ago | 07:56 |
| mjl | so far so good, too. | 07:57 |
| maxamillion | mjl: you might look http://lives.sourceforge.net/ ... that seems to be the most popular one just from doing some web searching | 07:57 |
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| mjl | installed xubuntu instead of ubuntu because I have a clunker PC. am now installing a bunch of apps. Will having apps installed slow me down, or is that more of a Microsoft thing? | 08:02 |
| maxamillion | microsoft thing | 08:02 |
| mjl | amen. | 08:02 |
| maxamillion | the only thing that will slow you down is having alot of them running at once .... just a limitation of physical memory, nothing we can do about that ;) | 08:03 |
| mjl | hmm. | 08:06 |
| mjl | should I be able to write to my external USB hard drive if it's FAT32? | 08:10 |
| maxamillion | yes | 08:10 |
| maxamillion | without fail | 08:10 |
| mjl | even if it already has some Windows files on it? (I'm dual booting) | 08:10 |
| maxamillion | linux doesn't care what OS wrote the file | 08:11 |
| mjl | I can copy files from the external HD... | 08:11 |
| mjl | all the icons have the little lock on them... read-only? | 08:11 |
| maxamillion | yeah, probably | 08:11 |
| maxamillion | mjl: do ... sudo chmod +w /path/to/usb/ | 08:12 |
| maxamillion | should work | 08:12 |
| maxamillion | anyhoo ... i need to go, i have class in 6 hours and need to sleep before then | 08:12 |
| maxamillion | ttyl | 08:12 |
| mjl | cool. thanks. | 08:12 |
| maxamillion | np | 08:13 |
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| Prodoc | mornin' | 11:34 |
| Prodoc | any one know a small but effective notepad with syntax highlighting for different languages for (x)ubuntu and isn't called vi? | 11:36 |
| === Prodoc would love to see notepad++ for linux but that aint gonna happen | ||
| Prodoc | I mean like moudepad but with syntax highlighting | 11:37 |
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| grazie | Prodoc: I think SciTE is pretty good | 11:46 |
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| TheSheep | cream :) | 11:48 |
| Prodoc | TheSheep, that's not the name of a different program is it? ;- | 11:49 |
| Prodoc | ;-) | 11:49 |
| === Prodoc has a look at SciTE | ||
| TheSheep | Prodoc: it's a hacked vim | 11:50 |
| TheSheep | Prodoc: but fits your description | 11:50 |
| === Prodoc will have a look at both then | ||
| Prodoc | thanks guys | 11:53 |
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| dandoon | does anyone know how to get modem-lights for xubuntu? | 12:02 |
| dandoon | hello? | 12:03 |
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| dandoon | modem-light help please? | 12:03 |
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| Zeqfreed | hey guys, haven't been here for month or so. glad to see you again :) | 12:45 |
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| Zeqfreed | have anybody had any experience with communicating motorola phones via the usb interface? | 01:13 |
| Jester45 | Zeqfreed: i think they should act like storage... like a usb drive | 01:15 |
| Jester45 | not sure | 01:15 |
| Zeqfreed | i have some troubles with this | 01:16 |
| Zeqfreed | when i plug the cable, no devices are created in /dev but lsusb and lsscsi list the phone | 01:16 |
| Zeqfreed | i think something's wrong with the udev | 01:17 |
| Zeqfreed | because sg0 is supposed to appear in /dev when the phone is plugged in | 01:18 |
| Zeqfreed | i get error messages like "Bad target number (x:0)" where x is in range from 1 to 7 | 01:19 |
| Zeqfreed | so it probably can't find any suitable devices | 01:20 |
| Zeqfreed | this sucks :( | 01:20 |
| Zeqfreed | and nobody is gonna help me :) | 01:21 |
| Jester45 | yea i think thats a problem for the xubuntu help channel. nobody is here often | 01:27 |
| Jester45 | well im off to school | 01:28 |
| Zeqfreed | good luck | 01:29 |
| Jester45 | no good luck to you | 01:29 |
| Jester45 | :) | 01:29 |
| Zeqfreed | yeah thanks :) | 01:29 |
| Jester45 | all i can suggest is googling | 01:29 |
| Zeqfreed | didn't help this time | 01:30 |
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| Markok765 | Hello | 05:28 |
| maxamillion | hi | 05:32 |
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| Markok765 | slow day today? | 05:34 |
| steveno | does anyone here do development work no Xubuntu? | 05:35 |
| steveno | on* | 05:35 |
| maxamillion | steveno: what kind of development work? ... i do contributions, but not core devel work | 05:37 |
| maxamillion | steveno: why, what's up? | 05:37 |
| steveno | general programming, c/c++, ruby | 05:37 |
| steveno | my laptop is starting to show its age and I want to replace Gentoo on it | 05:37 |
| maxamillion | i don't do ruby .... | 05:37 |
| Markok765 | steveno: How fast(specs?) | 05:38 |
| TheSheep | ah, you mean working on xubuntu, not working on xubuntu :) | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | lol | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | hiya TheSheep | 05:38 |
| TheSheep | hi maxamillion | 05:38 |
| steveno | 1.6Ghz Pentium 4, 512M ram | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | steveno: yes, i develop _on_ xubuntu but not _for_ xubuntu | 05:38 |
| steveno | TheSheep: yes, sorry for the confusion | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | no worries | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | steveno: yeah, xubuntu will do wonders for your laptopo | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | -o | 05:38 |
| Markok765 | Very fast | 05:39 |
| TheSheep | steveno: vim+gcc+python+glade | 05:39 |
| maxamillion | TheSheep: ;) | 05:39 |
| Markok765 | Mine is a 226mhz with 64mb ram | 05:39 |
| Markok765 | My desktop is running ubuntu with a 3ghz Pf and 1GB ram | 05:39 |
| TheSheep | steveno: note that the devel environment is not on the cd, you need to install it separately | 05:40 |
| steveno | TheSheep: i use vim and gcc already. haven't gotten into glade yet | 05:40 |
| steveno | TheSheep: i assumed it would be since thats how Ubuntu is setup. not a problem though | 05:40 |
| Markok765 | Can you install it from the download manager? | 05:40 |
| TheSheep | Markok765: from synaptic | 05:41 |
| steveno | i've looked at zenwalk before but i didn't care it. ubuntu has always been good to me though | 05:41 |
| steveno | i just want away from gnome | 05:41 |
| TheSheep | gnome's getting heavy | 05:42 |
| steveno | i've currently got it on my desktop, but its hardware is a lot newer | 05:42 |
| TheSheep | xubuntu is good for good hardware too :) | 05:42 |
| steveno | without a doubt, but you haven't converted me yet :) | 05:43 |
| TheSheep | steveno: no need for that -- you'll convert yourself :) | 05:43 |
| steveno | lol | 05:44 |
| steveno | dumb question: can you use beryl with xfce? | 05:45 |
| Markok765 | steveno: zenwalk wouldnt boot up on my laptop | 05:45 |
| TheSheep | steveno: yes, two problems: beryl breaks the xfce the workspace switcher (it displays weird) and there is really nothing you gain except for fancy animations | 05:46 |
| steveno | Markok765: i got it to boot, but the dolphin.... | 05:46 |
| TheSheep | steveno: xfce4 uses a compositor too, you know | 05:46 |
| steveno | TheSheep: no, i didnt' know that | 05:46 |
| j1mc | TheSheep: did the compositor just come along with xfce4.4? | 05:46 |
| TheSheep | zenwalk looks just unfinished -- lots of rough edges :) | 05:47 |
| TheSheep | j1mc: it was there earlier too, it is disabled by default | 05:47 |
| steveno | TheSheep: my thoughts exactly. i felt like the package manager was just written yesterday and that concerned me | 05:47 |
| TheSheep | j1mc: with 4.4 they added transparent window decorations | 05:47 |
| j1mc | TheSheep: cool . . . | 05:47 |
| steveno | true transparency or fake transparency? | 05:47 |
| TheSheep | steveno: true. and true transaprency in terminal, with opaque letters | 05:48 |
| steveno | wow. thats impressive | 05:48 |
| j1mc | nice | 05:48 |
| TheSheep | http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png <-- my desktop | 05:48 |
| j1mc | TheSheep: looks nice! what icon set are you using? | 05:49 |
| steveno | definition check: ture transparency = displays what ever is behind, and not just the desktop. correct? | 05:49 |
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| Snelhest | are there any way to install xubuntu from a usb flashdrive instead of a cd? | 05:53 |
| TheSheep | !install | steveno | 06:01 |
| ubotu | steveno: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues | 06:01 |
| TheSheep | sorry | 06:01 |
| TheSheep | taht was for Snelhest | 06:01 |
| Snelhest | thanks | 06:01 |
| j1mc | !grub | j1mc | 06:02 |
| TheSheep | j1mc: you can /msg it | 06:03 |
| Snelhest | TheSheep: the computer is kind of new (1,5ghz celeron m 1gb ram) and it supports boot over ethernet, is that hard? | 06:03 |
| TheSheep | Snelhest: you just need to configure your dhcp server to server the boot image | 06:03 |
| TheSheep | serve | 06:03 |
| Snelhest | ok :) | 06:04 |
| Snelhest | going to try that instead then | 06:04 |
| Snelhest | TheSheep: it says neetboot image? cant i just send the whole xubuntu iso? | 06:05 |
| TheSheep | Snelhest: that's impossible, bootp (the protocol used to send the image) uses UDP which has no error detection -- it's good for short files, but a whole iso would instantly got corrupted | 06:06 |
| Snelhest | ah | 06:06 |
| Snelhest | any idea how much xubuntu consumes in HDD space? | 06:07 |
| Snelhest | 1? 2? its just a 6gb drive :/ | 06:07 |
| j1mc | Snelhest: Xubuntu needs at least 1.5gb to be installed | 06:08 |
| Snelhest | ok, then its no problem | 06:08 |
| TheSheep | the default install takse some above 2GB I think | 06:09 |
| Snelhest | hmm ok | 06:09 |
| Snelhest | are there any list of what is included with xubuntu? | 06:10 |
| j1mc | Snelhest: what OS are you on right now? | 06:11 |
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| Snelhest | this computer XP | 06:11 |
| j1mc | ok . . . | 06:11 |
| j1mc | hold on . . . | 06:11 |
| Snelhest | ok | 06:12 |
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| j1mc | Snelhest: sorry, i'm not on xubuntu (or any *ubuntu box) right now . . . check out www.xubuntu.org for info about what software is included in xubuntu. | 06:15 |
| Snelhest | ok | 06:16 |
| Snelhest | hmm i found my 1gb usb stick | 06:16 |
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| dv_ | hello | 06:19 |
| dv_ | xfburn seems to be broken | 06:19 |
| Snelhest | hi | 06:19 |
| dv_ | when I try to burn an image, I get in the output: | 06:19 |
| dv_ | cdrecord: Bad Option: speed=. | 06:19 |
| dv_ | Usage: cdrecord [options] track1...trackn | 06:19 |
| TheSheep | dv_: try setting the speed | 06:21 |
| dv_ | I did | 06:21 |
| Snelhest | dv_: i dont really have any idea, but try to delete the .xfburn folder | 06:21 |
| Snelhest | inside /home/username | 06:21 |
| dv_ | oh just read - xfburn is indeed broken in edgy | 06:21 |
| dv_ | how does this pass QA...? :) | 06:21 |
| TheSheep | edgy didn't pass QA | 06:22 |
| TheSheep | dapper did | 06:22 |
| TheSheep | fesity will probably pass too :) | 06:22 |
| TheSheep | feisty | 06:22 |
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| cellofellow | is there some keystroke or something to change the X resolution on the fly? Or a command? | 08:17 |
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| ormiret | cellofellow: if you have multiple resolutions defines then you can cycle them with (I think) ctrl-alt-+/- on the numeric keypad | 08:19 |
| cellofellow | not working | 08:20 |
| TheSheep | that's disabled by default in ubuntu, I think | 08:20 |
| TheSheep | or not :) | 08:20 |
| TheSheep | works for me | 08:20 |
| cellofellow | My brother wants to use 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024 on his user. He uses Fluxbox. Is there some simple command that I can put in his .fluxbox/startup to set the resolution? | 08:22 |
| cellofellow | maybe it is disabled. How to enable it? The keystrokes thing? | 08:24 |
| TheSheep | cellofellow: in the serverlayout section of xorg.conf | 08:24 |
| TheSheep | cellofellow: see the man | 08:25 |
| cellofellow | ok | 08:25 |
| TheSheep | Option "DontZoom" "boolean" | 08:25 |
| TheSheep | This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus and | 08:25 |
| TheSheep | Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus sequences. | 08:25 |
| cellofellow | ok | 08:27 |
| cellofellow | I see what that does. Is there some command though that will run from a shell script to shrink X? | 08:28 |
| TheSheep | hmm... not sure if you can control xvidtune from the cli | 08:29 |
| TheSheep | you can use xvidtune -next and -prev to switch the modes... | 08:29 |
| TheSheep | there sure are better tools for that | 08:30 |
| cellofellow | that was... ok | 08:31 |
| cellofellow | does it read the modes in xorg.conf to do that? | 08:31 |
| TheSheep | I guess so | 08:32 |
| cellofellow | seemed that it skipped straight from 1280x1024 to 800x600 | 08:32 |
| cellofellow | ok, I don't think xvidtune is the thing to use. | 08:33 |
| cellofellow | the proper name for screen sizes in X-talk is "modes"? | 08:33 |
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| TheSheep | cellofellow: not exactly, modes are the screen size+colors+refresh frequency+kind of memory used | 08:34 |
| cellofellow | oh, so it's more than just the XxY resolution? | 08:35 |
| cellofellow | I'm just trying to figure out what to google. | 08:35 |
| TheSheep | cellofellow: for example, the same screen size with 256 colors is different mode than with 16 bit color | 08:35 |
| cellofellow | is it like the kernel vga settings? like 792 is 1024x768x24? | 08:36 |
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| cellofellow | josh@josh-desktop:~$ xvidtune -show | 08:39 |
| cellofellow | "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync | 08:39 |
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| cellofellow | ok, I think I got it | 08:42 |
| cellofellow | ok, never mind. that didn't work | 08:47 |
| TheSheep | :( | 08:47 |
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| Markok765 | quitter | 09:20 |
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| knight | hi all | 10:06 |
| knight | I lost my panel | 10:06 |
| knight | how do I setup my panel again | 10:06 |
| TheSheep | alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', press enter | 10:09 |
| knight | ok let me see | 10:11 |
| knight | it works | 10:11 |
| knight | now what | 10:11 |
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| ffxr | anybody using vmserver.. how do i update to the latest version..? do i just run the install script from the new tar? | 10:52 |
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| hyper_ch | hiho grazie | 10:59 |
| ffxr | fuck i broke it ; ( | 11:01 |
| posingaspopular | !language | 11:01 |
| ubotu | Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | 11:01 |
| grazie | hyper_ch: hi there..how's it going'? | 11:03 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: fine fine, and yourself? | 11:03 |
| grazie | fair | 11:03 |
| hyper_ch | hehehe :) | 11:04 |
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| hyper_ch | I think I found a bug in konversation / feisty | 11:04 |
| grazie | serious? | 11:04 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: yes, when you press ctrl-f --> search I think the previous/next buttons are wrong labelled | 11:05 |
| hyper_ch | not sure if that should be the way it is | 11:06 |
| hyper_ch | find "next" will move up in the history... | 11:06 |
| hyper_ch | and I thend to think "next" should move down | 11:06 |
| hyper_ch | and "find previous" should move up instead | 11:06 |
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| grazie | Works ok on edgy? | 11:07 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: don't have edgy anymore | 11:07 |
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| grazie | hyper_ch: I looked at the upgrade from edgy to feisty on my mac earlier.... a 360M download! | 11:13 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: I did a new install | 11:13 |
| grazie | as the ppc is no longer supported I thought it would be a bit risky | 11:14 |
| grazie | I've had some feisty test builds installed previously...but no longer | 11:14 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: btw, on howtoforge is a nice article :) | 11:18 |
| grazie | hyper_ch: what about? | 11:18 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: the only problem I had at first with feisty was vmware... but I got that to work now :) | 11:19 |
| hyper_ch | grazie: and since I bought my new 500gb drive I needed to do a new install anyway | 11:19 |
| hyper_ch | http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_mydnsconfig_dnsmasp_on_ubuntu_edgy | 11:19 |
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| hyper_ch | grazie: I think I'm going to try this tomorrow | 11:26 |
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| root_ | hi, my xubuntu installation aborted during installing software packages due to a CD-ROM error. I can get to console, however. can I just copy the files from somewhere or otherwise continue to install? | 11:54 |
| vidd_laptop | root_, yes..... | 11:56 |
| vidd_laptop | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 11:56 |
| vidd_laptop | comment out [put # in front] of the cd line | 11:57 |
| root_ | problem, wireless card drivers didn't get installed | 11:57 |
| vidd_laptop | then sudo apt-get update | 11:57 |
| vidd_laptop | ah..... | 11:57 |
| root_ | ok | 11:57 |
| root_ | i forgot about good ol cat-5 though... i guess i can just plug into the switch | 11:57 |
| vidd_laptop | can you jack in to your router? | 11:57 |
| root_ | yeah | 11:58 |
| vidd_laptop | there ya go | 11:58 |
| root_ | would that continue the install process? | 11:58 |
| vidd_laptop | once you apt-get update..... | 11:58 |
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| vidd_laptop | sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 11:58 |
| vidd_laptop | THAT will continue the install | 11:58 |
| vidd_laptop | more or less | 11:59 |
| root_ | will that go through the hardware detection process again and install the proper drivers+madwifi for my wireless card? | 11:59 |
| vidd_laptop | it SHOULD | 11:59 |
| root_ | thanks | 11:59 |
| root_ | if not, i'll stay hardwired and get help that way | 11:59 |
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| vidd_laptop | HEY.....NOT in puplic! | 12:00 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 12:00 |
| vidd_laptop | *public | 12:00 |
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