[12:43] <ffxr> anybody any idea how to change icons. for individual apps like vlc, amarok, k3b?
[12:45] <maverick-so> Hello everyone
[12:46] <maverick-so> ... anyone -not- idling?
[12:46] <maverick-so> :)
[12:47] <grazie> ffxr: don't know but have you looked under /usr/share/vlc/ etc, for icons?
[12:48] <tesuki> when using wine agains widows how much slower will my program run?
[12:50] <grazie> tesuki: I think it depends on the program, but I don't use it much. I run one app that seems to run just as well (if not better) under wine
[12:52] <grazie> tesuki: I also tried running Sibelius under wine and that wasn't a success for me
[12:52] <maverick-so> Hopefully someone can help...  I'm running the newest Xubuntu on my laptop with a second monitor connected via VGA - it seems I can get Xinerama -sort of- working, in that it displays a cropped clone screen, but I can't fix the resolution and enable an expanded desktop...  anyone have any experience with this?
[12:55] <ffxr> k grazie.. ve been locate (ing) png & svg files and renaming old all evening.. cant for the life of me get the vlc icon to change.. melt.. wish it was just in a wee text file somewhere..
[12:55] <ffxr> if you have an nvidia graphics card i would try the prop drivers..
[12:55] <ffxr> @maverick-so
[12:56] <maverick-so> No, it's a Radeon Xpress 200M
[12:57] <tesuki> thank you grazie
[12:57] <grazie> np
[01:00] <grazie> ffxr: they're probably cached...
[01:01] <maverick-so> Hm...  brb
[01:06] <ffxr> ahh.. i see what you mean.. grazie.. its driving me mad..
[01:20] <maverick-so> Ok, so now I've tried fiddling, and even turning Xinerama off, but nothing seems to have any effect
[01:20] <maverick-so> I think I'm doing something quite wrong
[01:20] <neozen> trying to get multi-monitor mav?
[01:20] <maverick-so> Yeah
[01:20] <neozen> scary-scary
[01:21] <maverick-so> I really, really want to make a complete move to Linux (esp. Xubuntu) but I kind of need my hardware to work, you know?  I don't expect perfect, or easy, but -something- :)
[01:23] <neozen> I hear you
[01:23] <neozen> the forums been any help?
[01:23] <maverick-so> Not so much.
[01:23] <neozen> O.o
[01:24] <maverick-so> I thought I had gotten Xinerama to display a sort of cropped clone screen, but apparently something else enabled that, because Xinerama doesn't appear to be active
[01:24] <neozen> I thought xinerama was always active
[01:24] <neozen> ..even when you don't have a multi-mon setup
[01:25] <maverick-so> I don't know. Several places claim xrandr won't work with Xinerama enabled, and it certainly doesn't complain when I try and run it
[01:25] <neozen> !xrandr
[01:25] <ubotu> xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[01:25] <neozen> ah
[01:25] <neozen> I take it you're using edgy
[01:26] <neozen> hoallo mez
[01:26] <maverick-so> I believe so
[01:26] <maverick-so> Latest version of Xubuntu
[01:27] <neozen> well... here's an easy check
[01:27] <neozen> ls -l /bin/sh
[01:27] <neozen> if it points to dash
[01:27] <neozen> ..you're on edgy
[01:27] <maverick-so> Indeed it does
[01:27] <neozen> if it points to bash.. you're on dapper
[01:28] <DawnLight> hello! installation seems to be succesful inspite of some problems before! now it asks me wether to install GRUB and mentions the existence of a windows xp operating system which shouldn't exist. does anyone know what it may have found to indicate (falsely) that a winxp installation exists?
[01:28] <neozen> a recovery partition might exist
[01:28] <DawnLight> what is that sorry
[01:28] <neozen> what brand of comp?
[01:29] <DawnLight> brand? asus tusi-m celeron something
[01:29] <neozen> ...some manufacturers put a 'recovery partition' on the HD which allow you to restore the system to factory setup
[01:30] <neozen> ie winXP home or xp pro
[01:30] <cellofellow> DawnLight: did you format the whole disk when you installed?
[01:30] <neozen> I've seen quite a few of these that use a minimal install of XP on these partitions to get the job done
[01:31] <DawnLight> emmmm "erase entire device" if im not mistaken it was
[01:31] <cellofellow> odd then
[01:31] <DawnLight> but i have another hd installed
[01:31] <DawnLight> winxp was installed on it
[01:31] <cellofellow> it'll detect that
[01:32] <DawnLight> that explains it
[01:32] <DawnLight> what if i tell it not to install grub
[01:32] <DawnLight> then its up to the bios?
[01:33] <neozen> you might not be able to boot into linux
[01:33] <neozen> depends on which drive is the master... and which is the slave
[01:34] <DawnLight> i've installed it in the master hd using recommended partitioning
[01:34] <neozen> then you should install grub
[01:34] <neozen> I think
[01:34] <neozen> cello?
[01:35] <DawnLight> can grub be configured not to ask me anything and boot to it automatically?
[01:35] <neozen> yes
[01:35] <neozen> lots of documentation on grub
[01:36] <DawnLight> it may even be useful because i plan to install a SLED distro on the slave hd
[01:37] <neozen> sled?
[01:37] <DawnLight> SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
[01:37] <DawnLight> blah
[01:38] <DawnLight> will be used for irrigation valve control :)
[01:38] <DawnLight> hopefuly
[01:38] <DawnLight> ill go tell it YES
[01:38] <neozen> hehehe
[01:39] <neozen> dawn... you're using linux to control your sprinkler system?!!?
[01:39] <neozen> ......oi
[01:39] <DawnLight> what
[01:40] <vidd_laptop> is there something WRONG with that?
[01:40] <cellofellow> use Debian. why you need YaST for a sprinkler system?
[01:40] <DawnLight> sounds way more fun then those irrigation computers
[01:40] <neozen> lol
[01:41] <DawnLight> lol
[01:41] <neozen> vidd: heck no
[01:41] <neozen> lol
[01:41] <neozen> just one of the more creative uses I've heard of
[01:41] <vidd_laptop> make coffee....
[01:41] <DawnLight> i was recommended to use SLED because of stability and stuff
[01:42] <DawnLight> im new to linux
[01:42] <DawnLight> i think its wonderful
[01:42] <vidd_laptop> how stable can it be? they signed a deal with M$
[01:42] <vidd_laptop> ^^^ SUSE
[01:42] <neozen> vidd: ::GRIN:: @ coffee maker idea
[01:43] <DawnLight> yes, ive read that in their site
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> Novel....a Microsoft Company......
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> =[
[01:43] <DawnLight> is it considered a crime against huxanity?
[01:43] <neozen> tuxanity perhaps
[01:44] <neozen> ...but humanity will survive ::grins::
[01:44] <DawnLight> lol
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> when you consider that Novell has ALWAYS been a propietary-minded company....it SHOULDNT be a big surpise
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> how many ppl get cut when windows crash?
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[01:45] <DawnLight> i once seen a guy wearing a student bag with a big red NOVELL on it
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> law student?
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> anyone having any luck with bcm43xx?
[01:46] <DawnLight> computer technician actually
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> =\
[01:47] <neozen> vidd: ::shudders::
[01:47] <neozen> ...another one
[01:47] <neozen> GAH
[01:47] <DawnLight> yeah
[01:47] <neozen> evil card!
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> very
[01:47] <neozen> that blasted thing never works!
[01:48] <DawnLight> anyway my irrigation linux wont be doing the lawn
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> i had it working before my last re-install
[01:48] <neozen> dawn: why not?
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> for some strange reason it boots into the wrong channel and wont see my access point
[01:48] <DawnLight> it will be irrigating an indoor baby leaf machine
[01:49] <neozen> dawn.....?
[01:49] <neozen> whazzat?
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, what KIND of "leaf"
[01:49] <neozen> LOL
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> not the kind "for medicinal purposes only" i hope
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> neozen, if i could find a replacement for it that would fit in this lappy....i'd buy 2
[01:51] <neozen> the usb_prism2 chipset is very popular
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> no usb
[01:52] <neozen> ..............................oi
[01:52] <DawnLight> good food
[01:52] <neozen> drag
[01:52] <DawnLight> uh oh
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> usb=evil
[01:52] <neozen> tell me it has pcmcia
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> a laptop should have nothing hanging off of it
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> yeah..it HAS the ports
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> and usb ports
[01:53] <neozen> so USE the ports
[01:53] <neozen> its what they're there for
[01:53] <neozen> lol
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> it shipped with a built in card...i WANT abuilt-in card
[01:54] <neozen> particularly when your internal hardware starts acting flaky
[01:54] <DawnLight> installation finished, reboot into grub, choosed the regular boot, graphic progress bar - then one long beep followed by three short ones and black screen
[01:54] <neozen> .....well you have one
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> i just want a built-in card that is linux-freindly
[01:54] <neozen> ...that's broken in linux
[01:54] <neozen> well
[01:54] <neozen> should've bought a thinkpad
[01:55] <neozen> and it pays to do your research on your hardware before you buy
[01:55] <DawnLight> think, pad! think!
[01:55] <neozen> ...its why I bought this one
[01:55] <neozen> aaah
[01:55] <neozen> ok
[01:55] <neozen> you're excused
[01:55] <neozen> .....at last check that chipset works.... kind of
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> and walmart dont sell thinkpads
[01:55] <neozen> lol
[01:55] <neozen> no
[01:55] <neozen> lenovo.com does
[01:56] <neozen> that's where I bought mine
[01:56] <neozen> $1k and worth every penny
[01:56] <DawnLight> many pennies in 1k
[01:56] <neozen> dawn: indeed
[01:56] <DawnLight> so what were those beeps
[01:57] <neozen> vidd: ...lenovo builds the laptops for ibm
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> this was 560$
[01:57] <neozen> vidd: and now... you know why
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> and about 8K$ in headaches
[01:57] <DawnLight> any ideas?
[01:57] <neozen> beeps?
[01:57] <neozen> how many of them?
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> dapper, edgy, or fiesty?
[01:57] <DawnLight> one long and three shorts
[01:57] <neozen> (beep codes aren't standardized)
[01:58] <neozen> ..........uh oh
[01:58] <DawnLight> edgy (6.10 right?)
[01:58] <neozen> asus mb right?
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> kk
[01:58] <DawnLight> how did you know
[01:58] <neozen> *asus motherboard right?
[01:58] <DawnLight> i dont like this
[01:58] <neozen> dawn: you mentioned it before
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> desktop or laptop?
[01:58] <neozen> was just checking
[01:58] <DawnLight> desk
[01:59] <neozen> http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> the install completed, grub loaded and THEN the SOS?
[01:59] <neozen> did you change your videocard?
[01:59] <DawnLight> you think the bios made them
[01:59] <neozen> yes
[01:59] <DawnLight> but it was after grub
[01:59] <neozen> hmmmmmmm
[02:00] <neozen> what do you see on the screen
[02:00] <neozen> ...nothing right?
[02:00] <DawnLight> right
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> the kernel talks to the bios during boot
[02:00] <DawnLight> no hdd led also
[02:00] <neozen> .....what kind of videocard?
[02:00] <DawnLight> the onboard one on the tusi-m
[02:01] <DawnLight> need i check?
[02:01] <neozen> no
[02:01] <neozen> probably some kind of intel
[02:01] <neozen> something went kersplat
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, did you run a live cd or the alt?
[02:02] <DawnLight> alt
[02:02] <DawnLight> oh
[02:02] <DawnLight> the live cd did the same thing exactly
[02:02] <DawnLight> during the graphic progress bar
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> but the live booted into live.....
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> ?
[02:03] <neozen> http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/support/download/manual/370/tusi_m_e.pdf
[02:03] <DawnLight> you mean did it run?
[02:03] <neozen> there be the manual for the mobo
[02:03] <DawnLight> already there
[02:03] <neozen> ...perhaps there's beep codes
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> did the live cd run
[02:04] <DawnLight> no it didn't it gave me the same beeps
[02:05] <DawnLight> found the beep codes! scanning...
[02:06] <DawnLight> "video card not found or video card memory bad"
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> try running the recovery mode
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> you should get a command promt
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> *prompt
[02:07] <cellofellow> as root
[02:07] <DawnLight> i remember giving the video card very little memory in the bios
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> then reconfigure x
[02:08] <DawnLight> maybe ill try to increase it?
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, always OVER allow and cut back later
[02:08] <cellofellow> ok, does anybody know how to get libdockapp? libdockapp2 is in the repos but not libdockapp.
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> dont be the guy who cuts 3 times and its STILL too short!
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:08] <DawnLight> hold on
[02:09] <neozen> woohoo me was... somewhat.... right
[02:09] <neozen> libdockapp
[02:09] <neozen> hmm
[02:10] <neozen> nope
[02:10] <cellofellow> I want to be able to mount USB drives with HAL in Fluxbox, and the dockapp I found for it won't compile with libdockapp2
[02:10] <neozen> weird
[02:11] <neozen> yay for non-backwards-compatible libs
[02:11] <neozen> something's very wrong w/ that
[02:11] <DawnLight> gave it aperture 64 and shared 32 got same beeps...
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> give it MORE
[02:11] <neozen> lol
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> treat it like windows
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> keep throwing memory at it till it craws to lofe
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> *life
[02:12] <cellofellow> configure: error: libdockapp >= 0.6.0 is required.
[02:12] <DawnLight> okay doubled it
[02:13] <neozen> and now you're ok?
[02:13] <DawnLight> waiting...
[02:14] <cellofellow> I looked into Sarge's repos. even that didn't have libdockapp
[02:14] <neozen> going away for a bit
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, any luck?
[02:15] <neozen-away> cello: you grabbed the -dev package right?
[02:16] <DawnLight> no. now gave it maximum 256 aperture 64 share
[02:16] <DawnLight> waiting...
[02:17] <DawnLight> what about memory post write and cpu to vga post write? what are those?
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> neozen-away, you see someone have success with the bcm43xx?
[02:17] <DawnLight> still beeps
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, no idea
[02:17] <DawnLight> ill try them and then i have another idea
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> set the bios to safty defaults
[02:19] <DawnLight> bricked huh...
[02:19] <DawnLight> lol
[02:19] <DawnLight> okay no good
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> does your live cd still load?
[02:20] <DawnLight> i have an S3 735 ViRGE/DX on the board disabled
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> wb neozen
[02:20] <neozen> danke
[02:21] <DawnLight> its better then the onboard maybe ill try it
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, why?
[02:21] <DawnLight> why what?
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> why you have a second board installed if your not using it?
[02:21] <neozen> so cello... you grabbed the libdockapp-dev package from the repos right?!!?
[02:22] <neozen> not just the libdockapp2 package
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, either USE the second board, or REMOVE it
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> and that SHOULD fix your issue
[02:23] <neozen> heheheh
[02:23] <DawnLight> removing it should? alright hold on
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> bios-disabling is tricky......even with wind bloze
[02:24] <vidd_laptop> OSes assume that display boards added trump display board integrated
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> no matter WHAT the bios says
[02:25] <cellofellow> neozen: yes
[02:26] <DawnLight> makes sense actually
[02:26] <DawnLight> hey no beeps...
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> you got display?
[02:27] <DawnLight> hehe but now it says something about failing to run the x display
[02:28] <DawnLight> do i want to see the x server output?
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> that is because during install you told it to configure for one card and not the one your using
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> no....
[02:28] <DawnLight> so reinstall then
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> just get to a terminal and reinstall x
[02:29] <DawnLight> alright
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> wait....
[02:29] <DawnLight> whats a terminal
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> a command prompt
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> brb
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> need to change the baby
[02:30] <DawnLight> thats nice
[02:31] <DawnLight> now i have a black screen with a flashing _. i am assuming that its a terminal
[02:31] <DawnLight> or the terminal
[02:32] <DawnLight> terminal cardinal subliminal radical
[02:33] <DawnLight> critical fiscal naustril
[02:33] <cellofellow> found my problem. libdockapp-dev is 0.5.something, while I need 0.6 for this dockapp.
[02:33] <DawnLight> so one tenth is all you needed
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, hit [ctrl] [alt] [f2] 
[02:33] <neozen> aaaaaaaaaaaah
[02:33] <cellofellow> big difference I guess.
[02:33] <neozen> yes
[02:33] <DawnLight> it couldn't let one tenth slide?
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:34] <cellofellow> !info libdockapp-dev feisty
[02:34] <ubotu> libdockapp-dev: Window Maker Dock App support (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0-1.3 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 136 kB
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> no luck there cellofellow
[02:34] <cellofellow> 0.6 isn't in feisty either. where will I get it.?
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> yahooooooooooo
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:34] <DawnLight> now it says dawnlight login
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> type your username
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> then password
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> then
[02:35] <DawnLight> the line
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:36] <DawnLight> okay hold on
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> now once this works you are obligated to help at least 3 more ppl
[02:37] <neozen> cello
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:38] <neozen> download from source
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> just kidding
[02:38] <neozen> dump into the proper directory
[02:38] <neozen> *download the source
[02:38] <neozen> or just find another app
[02:39] <DawnLight> im gonna spread linux in israel
[02:39] <DawnLight> so what to put in the bus thing?
[02:39] <DawnLight> or leave at default
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> leave as default
[02:40] <cellofellow> drat, even Sid has lbdockapp 0.5. What is the guy who wrote this using? Gentoo?
[02:40] <DawnLight> and amount of memory?
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> default eveything
[02:40] <neozen> cello: slackware mayhaps
[02:40] <cellofellow> don't mess with that one, I think.
[02:41] <neozen> time to find another app
[02:41] <cellofellow> yeah
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> lol i renamed my wireless card from "Broadcom 4306" to "POS"
[02:43] <neozen> hehehe
[02:43] <cellofellow> trouble is there are very few standalone HAL-device mounting apps. Most are part of a desktop environment. xfdesktop does it in xfce4, and gnome-volume-manager in gnome. kdesktop too.
[02:44] <neozen> was wondering how to do that in ubuntu server
[02:44] <neozen> so I could use my 120gb external to backup every once in awhile
[02:45] <DawnLight> phew... so im back in the terminal
[02:45] <cellofellow> well, I'm still searching. I thought that wmvolman would work, but it WON'T COMPILE.
[02:45] <neozen> whee!
[02:45] <neozen> back in the terminal WOOHOO!
[02:45] <DawnLight> giggles
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, you golden now?
[02:46] <DawnLight> golden axe
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> you running?
[02:46] <DawnLight> what do you mean?
[02:46] <neozen> reboot
[02:46] <neozen> should be ok
[02:46] <DawnLight> im running back and fourth
[02:46] <neozen> lol
[02:46] <DawnLight> shall i type reboot?
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> is your sysem running like it should?
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> yes
[02:47] <neozen> sudo reboot
[02:47] <DawnLight> hold on
[02:47] <neozen> yes
[02:47] <cellofellow> maybe hal-device-manager
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> neozen, you think you can help with this evil card?
[02:47] <neozen> vidd
[02:47] <neozen> nope
[02:47] <cellofellow> which, drat, has gnome depends
[02:47] <neozen> but I can ask a few friends who have it
[02:47] <neozen> and see how they got it working
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> please
[02:48] <neozen> ...drop me an email
[02:48] <DawnLight> "reboot: need to be root"
[02:48] <neozen> sudo reboot
[02:48] <cellofellow> *sudo* reboot
[02:48] <neozen> like I said
[02:49] <neozen> when you need to be root to do something ... and you're absolutely SURE that its the right thing to do... sudo
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> sudo = "pretend im ..."
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> and with no user name it defalts to root
[02:50] <cellofellow> ok, hal-device-manager is NOT what I want.
[02:50] <neozen> and to do things to the machine that would potentially effect other users..... like reboot... you need to be the owner.... known as root
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i dont know your address
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> can you PM it to me?
[02:51] <neozen> I just did
[02:51] <neozen> ....I think
[02:51] <neozen> lol
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> didnt get it
[02:52] <DawnLight> oh my god i have gui!
[02:52] <neozen> WHEE!
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:53] <neozen> dawn: you unlike a lot of people... will not take that gui for granted
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, you are now required by the Law of VIDD to help 3 other ppl.....just kidding
[02:53] <neozen> *a lot of modern linux users
[02:54] <DawnLight> haha! i swear to appreciate my gui and cherish it dearly
[02:55] <DawnLight> and im off to play with it now!
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> now beryl is this shiny new toy.....lol
[02:55] <neozen> dawn you go poke that mouse now
[02:56] <DawnLight> thank you so much vidd and neozen
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> neozen, still not getting a PM
[02:56] <Prisoner_> hi
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Prisoner_
[02:56] <neozen> vidd: chi.metrognome@gmail.com
[02:56] <mark487> hi all, how can I find out how much ram is used by my onboard intel video?
[02:57] <neozen> tell me you saw that
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> got it
[02:57] <neozen> dawn: you are most welcome
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> but im vidd_laptop .... not vidd
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> vidd is my desktop persona
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:58] <Prisoner_> don't know
[02:58] <Prisoner_> right now I'm using 171mb out of 512mb and I'm running Firefox, Thunderbird, and Konversatoin
[02:59] <cellofellow> mark487: dunno
[02:59] <neozen> me either
[03:00] <neozen> aside from scoping out your bios
[03:00] <neozen> pris: nICE
[03:00] <mark487> isn't there some file that lists what monitor & chipset and such were detected?  I was looking at the file recently but don't remember the name.  ring any bells?
[03:00] <neozen> lspci should display everything
[03:00] <neozen> that's connected to your bus
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i sent it...you get it?
[03:01] <Prisoner_> nice the system uses few resources
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> dmesg
[03:01] <mark487> i think lspci lists the hardware.  don't think is lists main memory allocated to video...
[03:02] <neozen> no
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> !dmesg
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmesg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:02] <neozen> mark: it doesn't list that
[03:02] <neozen> LOL
[03:02] <neozen> that bot needs an overhaul
[03:02] <neozen> really badly
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> mark487, try dmesg
[03:02] <neozen> even just a minor one
[03:03] <neozen> mark: run from the commandline
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> that will give you your shoe size
[03:03] <mark487> hmm, what's dmesg?
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> only everything our kernel did since boot
[03:03] <neozen> yeah.. that
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> *your
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> the shoe size thing was NOT ment for this window!
[03:05] <neozen> LOL
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> please disregaurd it!
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> and dont ask!!!!
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:05] <neozen> Fetish:Foot-age:Forum
[03:06] <cellofellow> 13
[03:07] <neozen> lol
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> neozen, it was a private joke in poor taste inolving various parts of the ananomy, alternative mesuring techniques and preconcived notions
[03:08] <neozen> and mine was something to make those who'd read _pattern recognition_ smile
[03:08] <neozen> ...maybe
[03:08] <vidd_laptop> weknow it is REALLY the other chat channels your in....lol
[03:08] <neozen> lol
[03:09] <neozen> not quite
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> yeah...to docle?
[03:09] <neozen> docle/
[03:09] <neozen> ?
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> man...what is UP with my TYPING today?????
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> docile
[03:10] <neozen> nah... just not a foot man
[03:11] <neozen> ANyway
[03:11] <neozen> mark: any luck?
[03:11] <cellofellow> hmph. this Project Utopia stuff is not very utopian.
[03:11] <neozen> ....there's a sheep in the room
[03:12] <neozen> and no... before you say anything..... I'm not a sheep man either
[03:12] <vidd_laptop> that was soooo baaaaaaaaad
[03:13] <cellofellow> Radomir rocks.
[03:13] <neozen> greetings laibsc1
[03:13] <DawnLight> wow everything works
[03:13] <neozen> ...well dawn... it is linux
[03:13] <neozen> ...sometimes these things just happen
[03:13] <neozen> ....like they did for me
[03:13] <DawnLight> now configuring internet
[03:14] <neozen> ..practically out of the box
[03:14] <DawnLight> i wonder if my isp will support me now that ive crossed over
[03:14] <neozen> ....once I fixed that stupid bios issue
[03:14] <neozen> dawn: what isp do you have?
[03:14] <neozen> dialup?
[03:14] <DawnLight> cable
[03:14] <neozen> yes
[03:14] <neozen> ..they'll support you
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, what contry?
[03:15] <DawnLight> israel
[03:15] <neozen> they just won't care if you call
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> my isp's wont support me
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> not even the one i WORK for!
[03:15] <DawnLight> l
[03:15] <neozen> but if you properly configure your computer ... it will work with their internet.... THATS how they support you
[03:15] <cellofellow> use a router on cable and you'll be fine
[03:15] <neozen> you don't get help desk w/ linux
[03:16] <neozen> *don't -> rarely
[03:16] <DawnLight> im gonna call them anyway
[03:16] <neozen> LOL
[03:16] <DawnLight> see how it goes
[03:16] <cellofellow> unless you are big company and shelled out for RHEL
[03:16] <vidd_laptop> why? you have issues?
[03:16] <neozen> yeah
[03:16] <neozen> THEN you get support
[03:16] <neozen> you just hand over your first born in return
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> i called my dsl company to ask them a question about the web interface in my modem, and when they found out i was running linux, they kept trying to hang up on me
[03:18] <neozen> LOL
[03:18] <neozen> yeah... that's the standard experience
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> its SO not funny
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> i told thm...its a WEB INTERFACE....it dont MATTER what my OS is
[03:20] <neozen> LOL
[03:20] <R[a] ndom> never ever tell the truth about that
[03:20] <neozen> yeah
[03:20] <R[a] ndom> especially to customer service bots
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> so i said "prentent i have winxp"
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> they said "put the disk in"
[03:21] <neozen> if they ask for your OS and you say internet explorer... THEN you're in the prime group who calls help-desk
[03:21] <R[a] ndom> I was asked what OS I ran once, and told them "uhh, windows, if it makes your life easier?" and she asked a what I meant so I told her I have Linux "Linksys?" no, Linux "What's that?"
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> i asked to be transfered to someone who KNOWS something or a supervisor
[03:22] <R[a] ndom> the only hard part about lying is remembering what happens when you click things in windows
[03:22] <neozen> LOL
[03:22] <R[a] ndom> if they ask me what I see in my network configuration settings or something
[03:22] <neozen> that's not that hard to remember
[03:22] <neozen> ....things go BOOM!
[03:22] <cellofellow> hehe
[03:22] <neozen> random: just type ifconfig
[03:23] <neozen> same information
[03:23] <R[a] ndom> and the windows network config pane will appear?
[03:23] <neozen> no
[03:23] <neozen> better
[03:23] <R[a] ndom> dude, the problem wasnt getting the info, the problem is knowing what the window looks like
[03:23] <neozen> LOL
[03:23] <neozen> stick a screenshot up on your wall near the computer
[03:24] <R[a] ndom> not that big of a deal, I dont have to do well
[03:24] <R[a] ndom> generally I call them to tell them what the problem is.  I find if I figure it out on my end first, I can generally get past the scripts
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> the real issue is that these dsl modems come with this crippleware in them....
[03:24] <R[a] ndom> ?
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> yahoo or msn crap
[03:25] <cellofellow> I think my DSL modem has Linux and DNSmasq, but I run Linux and DNSMasq on a custom server just to be able to fully tweak it.
[03:25] <R[a] ndom> <3 dnsmasq
[03:25] <R[a] ndom> +opendns servers
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> all i wanted to do was disable it cuzz the junk wont load the internet without signing up with it
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> both here and at my parents place we have ISPs who have no idea how to set up proper dns
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> my parents ISP asked me for the alternate dns servers I was using, because he didn't 'know that trick'
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, who is your isp?
[03:26] <cellofellow> my ISP's DNS is ok, but the modem's is a little flakey.
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> here sympatico, but my parents is a smalltown wireless deal
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> great guys tho, I like smalltown isps.
[03:27] <cellofellow> I got Qwest, and will get smalltown Fiber-optic by christmastime.
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, i HATE you =] 
[03:27] <cellofellow> You knew I was getting fiber.
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> dieticians and 'net-fiends agree....you can NEVER get too much fibre
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, yes...but I'm still jelous
[03:29] <cellofellow> what I want for mounting drives is something like MUT in Puppy.
[03:29] <cellofellow> sorry vidd.
[03:30] <cellofellow> perhaps a ROX appdir version. Now, where is my Puppy CD?
[03:30] <neozen> LOL
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> verizion didnt bring DSL into my area until 3 months ago
[03:31] <vidd_laptop> and when i cancelled my dial-tone to use skyp, they cut off my DSL....
[03:31] <vidd_laptop> im like WTF!!!!
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> they say"oh, you cant have just DSL without telephone"
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, you should have known they wouldnt just asssume you wanted dry dsl and then set it up :P
[03:32] <neozen> indeed
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> especially since the phone was in one name and the dsl was in another
[03:32] <R[a] ndom> I specifically asked, and due to new regulations they had to probide it, but they still cut off my internet service for a couple days
[03:33] <neozen> when dealing with corperate america... always assume they will fuck something up
[03:33] <neozen> *corporate
[03:33] <R[a] ndom> this past summer I asked them to suspend my dsl line, they said no prob.. I told them to turn it on a week earlier than I wanted cause I knew theyd screw it up..
[03:33] <R[a] ndom> when I got back home I was surprised that everything worked, thoughd I'd been too harsh on them
[03:33] <R[a] ndom> then the next month I got a bill for 4 months usage
[03:34] <neozen> hehehehehehehehehe
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> I called the guy up and told him my story, and he said yeah no problem, credited me the money, and told me how much my new payment was..
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> then 3 days later my connection goes down
[03:34] <neozen> LOL
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> I call up and ask WTF is happeneing. "oh the computer says you put your account on suspension 3 days ago for a period of 3 months"
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> but how can you link (and bill)
[03:35] <R[a] ndom> from then on I've written time, date, employee number, confirmation number, etc on a piece of paper I keep.
[03:35] <vidd_laptop> two sevices to two different ppl?
[03:35] <vidd_laptop> and still say they are "combined offering"?
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> talk about vender lock-in
[03:36] <DawnLight> okay im back
[03:36] <R[a] ndom> YAY!
[03:36] <DawnLight> how you all doing
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> we are complaining about ISP's
[03:36] <cellofellow> complaining about isps
[03:36] <DawnLight> i started it?
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> yep
[03:37] <mark487> hey, from before, the file I couldn't remember was /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:37] <DawnLight> well the report is that they do not support linux
[03:37] <cellofellow> no one does, really.
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> OMG!!!! im SOOO [not]  SHOCKED!!!!!!!
[03:37] <DawnLight> and so not cynical
[03:38] <cellofellow> like in hardware, only nvidia really supports linux. usually it's the other way around. linux kernel supports hardware.
[03:38] <DawnLight> cylindrical
[03:38] <DawnLight> we should all be supporting each other
[03:38] <cellofellow> yeah, well, tell that to wireless chip makers.
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> <.< >.>
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> dont we already?
[03:39] <DawnLight> we are
[03:39] <DawnLight> anyway i have something called an sb4200 surfboard cable modem by motorola
[03:40] <DawnLight> it is used to connect me to the internet via my computer
[03:40] <mark487> lateron
[03:40] <mark487> and thx
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> the sb4200 is rather linux friendly
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> you should not have any issues
[03:41] <cellofellow> a good isp is one that stays out of your way, imho.
[03:41] <DawnLight> and the dude from the support said that if it was connected to the computer via ethernet then linux would have automatically done everything
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> just use the RJ45 cable not the USB cable to connect your computer to it
[03:42] <cellofellow> you should have a dhcp server somewhere.
[03:42] <cellofellow> get a router. :)
[03:42] <DawnLight> and what if i wanted to use the usb
[03:42] <DawnLight> which i really do
[03:43] <cellofellow> my disk (I think it's my disk) is clicking. not good.
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> you WANT sub-standard performance?
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> i used to have that modem
[03:43] <cellofellow> the usb thing usually uses some proprietary protocol anyways, I think.
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> the usb never worked right....even with windows
[03:44] <DawnLight> well, this computer i am using now uses the ethernet on the same modem and its in another room
[03:44] <DawnLight> hence the running back and fourth
[03:44] <cellofellow> I wouldn't expect it to. The USB isn't designed to be a NIC.
[03:44] <cellofellow> dinner time
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> its a flawed design that most [if not all]  modem makers have abandoned
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> hence why most new mobo's havebuilt in nic's
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, get you a wireless router (preferably a linksys) and a wireless nic card
[03:47] <DawnLight> in a few days i will move to another apartment and buy a new pc
[03:48] <DawnLight> maybe ill buy a wireless lan card and see if i get internet from somewhere
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> before you BUY the card....research it to make sure it is linux-friendly
[03:49] <DawnLight> absolutely
[03:50] <DawnLight> so anyway - sb4200 via usb... worked alright until now with winxp
[03:52] <DawnLight> what is this: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1683
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> the linksys wmp54g wireless PCI card is auto-detected by linux and works out of the box
[03:53] <neozen> I've heard great things about that one
[03:53] <neozen> ....I have a buddy who won't shut up about his
[03:53] <neozen> lol
[03:53] <DawnLight> haha
[03:54] <neozen> the intel pro wireless 3945abg is what's in my laptop
[03:54] <neozen> ...and it works spectacularly well
[03:54] <neozen> I didn't have to configure a thing
[03:54] <neozen> ...just installed network-manager-gnome
[03:54] <neozen> and away I go
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> hmmm....i might have to buy me 2 of them
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> i have 2 laptops
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> one is still running windows
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> when i get the cash to replace the busted monitor on it....its getting linux as well
[03:59] <DawnLight> how do i know if linux recognized the modem?
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> depends.....
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> you using the usb?
[04:01] <DawnLight> its connected yes
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> connected with usb?
[04:01] <DawnLight> it was connected through the installation
[04:01] <DawnLight> the usb yes
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> can it browse the web?
[04:01] <DawnLight> no
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> then no...linux dont see it
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> or it sees it as a usb devise that dont do anything
[04:02] <DawnLight> during installation i chose to not configure network
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> go to network-admin
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> is it listed?
[04:03] <DawnLight> how do i get there
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> sudo network-admin
[04:04] <DawnLight> btw how do i switch back to gui when im in terminal
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> {ctrl] [alt] [f7] 
[04:04] <DawnLight> hold on
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> but you can open a terminal in the gui.....system terminal
[04:05] <DawnLight> hey what is this
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> ?
[04:05] <DawnLight> i think the screensaver froze the system
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:06] <DawnLight> i see a geometric shape [not moving] 
[04:06] <DawnLight> hehehe
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> [ctrl] [alt] [bcksp]  will restart x
[04:07] <DawnLight> if i press alt f2 and nothing happens it means reset time?
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> no....[ctrl] [alt] [f2] 
[04:08] <DawnLight> that doesnt work also
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> if THAT does nothing....reset time
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> then when you reboot, turn off the screen saver
[04:09] <DawnLight> with windows a screen saver never hung my system
[04:09] <DawnLight> lol
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> then you havent had windows as long as i have
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> i got my first BSOD from a screen saver
[04:14] <DawnLight> speaking of bsod: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/CVSBSOD.jpg
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:30] <DawnLight> how was dinner
[04:36] <cellofellow> potatoes
[04:42] <DawnLight> so i guess no internet for me via usb then...
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, so is potatoes GOOD ormiret wndowsish?
[04:42] <DawnLight> although i've found some alot of information on how to hack the modem
[04:43] <DawnLight> to get a higher limit
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> so then...no, your network-admin did NOT see your modem
[04:43] <DawnLight> that will be nice
[04:43] <DawnLight> they look?
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> sorry ormiret (stupid tab complete)
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, did you LOOK at network-admin?
[04:44] <DawnLight> oh i forgot
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> you FORGOT
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> i give you instructions on how to get your usb connection to work and you FORGET to look?!?
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:46] <DawnLight> its 5am
[04:46] <DawnLight> anyway it says cannot display or something
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> open a terminal......
[04:47] <cellofellow> I STILL can't mount removable devices. There are like NO good, independent graphical frontends.
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> system>terminal
[04:47] <DawnLight> gtk warning: cannot open display
[04:47] <cellofellow> weird
[04:48] <cellofellow> don't use sudo, it can make things do that. use gksu
[04:48] <cellofellow> same syntax.
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, he is doing it from [ctrl] [alt] [f2] ...not a terminal
[04:49] <cellofellow> oh, do DISPLAY=:0.0
[04:49] <cellofellow> that will make it use the X server.
[04:49] <cellofellow> I tried hacking Puppy's MUT mounting tool, but it's way to designed for puppy.
[04:49] <DawnLight> i thought ctrl alt f2 is a terminal
[04:50] <cellofellow> it's a virtual terminal, and it's DISPLAY setting isn't set by default.
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> no...that is tty2
[04:50] <cellofellow> try echo $DISPLAY
[04:50] <cellofellow> unless you already set it
[04:50] <DawnLight> didnt
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> or hit [alt] [f2]  and type terminal in the run box
[04:51] <cellofellow> Terminal not terminal
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> yeah....caps matter
[04:52] <DawnLight> okay in terminal
[04:52] <cellofellow> DISPLAY=gfam:0.0
[04:52] <cellofellow> and then xpenguins
[04:52] <cellofellow> hehe
[04:55] <DawnLight> i have three connections there
[04:55] <DawnLight> two wired and one modem
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> you can set things us so you can go to a tty and have whtever you type show up in a box on another linux box?
[04:55] <cellofellow> yeah, although usually Xaccess will block you.
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> one of the wired is your usb modem
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> WTF at xpenguins
[04:55] <cellofellow> !xpenguins
[04:55] <ubotu> xpenguins: little penguins walk on your windows. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2-4 (edgy), package size 218 kB, installed size 1316 kB
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> no I just installed it
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> it leaves horrible trails
[04:56] <cellofellow> yeah, but it's not that bad.
[04:56] <cellofellow> They don't work when using the ROX pinboard. They float around under it.
[04:56] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, its the prank factor!
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> it certainly worked on me
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> now my desktop is all messed up, even after I close it
[04:57] <cellofellow> did you close with xpenguins-stop ?
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> no, I ctrl C'd the process in the terminal, and the penguins left but their traces didnt
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> fixed now, I just xkill'd my desktop
[04:58] <cellofellow> you mouse over the traces and they should just disappear.
[04:58] <vidd_laptop> you mave penguin droppings all over your screen!
[04:58] <cellofellow> yeah, it's something up with xfdesktop.
[04:58] <R[a] ndom> nah they didnt
[04:58] <cellofellow> hope this works
[04:58] <cellofellow> !usbmount
[04:58] <ubotu> usbmount: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.14ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, what are the names of the 2 wired interfaces?
[04:59] <DawnLight> i have internet!
[04:59] <cellofellow> yahoo!
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> nvmd
[04:59] <cellofellow> or not actually
[05:00] <DawnLight> i enabled the first one and checked a v and viola!
[05:00] <cellofellow> waaaaay to many people have my name.
[05:00] <vidd_laptop> i have a josh in the house
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> hes' about your age too......
[05:01] <DawnLight> ill go chat from there! exiting!
[05:01] <DawnLight> *exciting
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> we built a computer from parts for his senior prdject
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> and its 100% M$ free
[05:02] <cellofellow> nice
[05:03] <cellofellow> ok, usbmount NOT what I wanted.
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> yeah...its a kick @$$ system
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> 64bit processor
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> half a gig of ram
[05:03] <cellofellow> bot bad at all.
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> 120gig hdd
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> dvd burner
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> WORKING wireless card....
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> only cost ME 400$
[05:05] <cellofellow> now, the programming language with the most stupid name has to be BrainFuck.
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> im going to build an identical system for myself
[05:05] <cellofellow> cool
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> add a multi card reader
[05:06] <cellofellow> how hard is it to put together your own laptop, do you think?
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> 4 gig of ram (if the card HOLDS that much)
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> pretty hard acually
[05:06] <DawnLight_from_t> oh my god
[05:06] <DawnLight_from_t> i can see you
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> cuzz the cases are hard to find new
[05:07] <DawnLight_from_t> no more running back and fourth
[05:07] <DawnLight_from_t> just one more time though
[05:07] <DawnLight> hehe
[05:07] <DawnLight> from there
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> you should register your nick.....
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> so you can "kill" it when you sign on at another location
[05:09] <cellofellow> ghost is cool
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, im acually considering looking at getting laptop parts (new) and building a laptop
[05:10] <cellofellow> just curious, what's anybody's favorite terminal emulator besides xfce4-terminal or xterm?
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> there is a choice?
[05:11] <cellofellow> I sure would like a lappy, and i want to get things as cheap as possible and M$ free.
[05:11] <cellofellow> urxvt is nice.
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> make up your mind cellofellow cheep or M$ free?
[05:12] <cellofellow> they DON'T go hand in hand?
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> no
[05:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yes.
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> it is acually MORE expensive to NOT have a windows install laptop
[05:13] <DawnLight_from_t> how is it so?
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> because the maker gets a kickback from all the crapware tht gets pre-installed
[05:14] <cellofellow> more expensive to build yourself too?
[05:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Macbooks, man.  Macbooks.
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> *nod* PuMpErNiCkLe
[05:15] <DawnLight> where does one buy new laptop parts?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> from the manufacturers
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> and you pay premium
[05:15] <DawnLight> premium means mucho?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> its like 6x more expensive to buy the parts then to get it whole
[05:16] <DawnLight> wow
[05:16] <DawnLight> then how come you considering it
[05:16] <DawnLight> i think my computer just whistled
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> to get a NEW 17" screen for the lappy the kid cracked will cost me 50-some dollars less then the laptop did
[05:17] <cellofellow> so, I guess the only way to actually get a laptop is to buy from Apple or HP or Dell?
[05:17] <cellofellow> ok, ivman mounted my usb drive, but it won't let me unmount it.
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> and the only way to do that is to build it myself with parts i KNOW are linux friendly, or buy a mac and pray
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> are mac modems linux freindly?
[05:19] <cellofellow> who needs modems?
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> hmmmmi work for a DIAL-UP internet company.....
[05:19] <DawnLight> hold up are you saying you cant find a linux friendly laptop?
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> i need to troubleshoot dial-up issues
[05:20] <DawnLight> i would imagine manufacturers would support linux
[05:20] <cellofellow> Well, EmperorLinux and other companies will add Linux for you, but it costs extra.
[05:20] <cellofellow> wake up
[05:21] <vidd_laptop> i have not found one yet
[05:21] <DawnLight> you mean to tell me that windows is for sleeping consciousness
[05:21] <R[a] ndom> lots of laptops work great with linux
[05:21] <R[a] ndom> just need to google and find out which ones work
[05:21] <vidd_laptop> yes they work...but not 100%
[05:22] <cellofellow> oh, I'm sure lots of stuff works, but it's just difficult.
[05:22] <DawnLight> and that switching to linux is an expression of my awakening?
[05:22] <R[a] ndom> I put a live cd into my friends laptop, and wireless worked, cpu throttled, shut down properly, etc.
[05:22] <R[a] ndom> dont know what more you guys want
[05:22] <vidd_laptop> dial-up work?
[05:23] <cellofellow> well, lots of hardware works, it's just companies don't put "Supported on Linux" stickers on their devices.
[05:23] <DawnLight> they should
[05:23] <cellofellow> hey, I'm fine.
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, actually I do see where youre coming from.. I bet it wouldnt have
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> considering I bet they all have winmodems
[05:23] <cellofellow> well, me do DawnLight
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> youll have to get an old serial 56k
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> with the fancy on/off toggle and the blinkenlights
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> i acually have a pcmcia modem card that IS linux frendly
[05:25] <DawnLight> wow ill put a sticker on my box that says "Linux Inside" or something
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> if only my brother would give it back
[05:25] <cellofellow> DawnLight: one sec, I have a link to something like that.
[05:25] <DawnLight> yes
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> "what do you need it for...you have DSL"
[05:26] <DawnLight> do i have wine here in xubuntu?
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> this is the same brother that says "my windows machine is secure and virus free...i ran norton's last year and it was fine"
[05:27] <cellofellow> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64
[05:27] <cellofellow> free Ubuntu stickers to replace that "Designed for Windows" sticker.
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> only costs ya postage\
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> i need 40\
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> 4
[05:28] <cellofellow> postage? what's a quarter and then some? this is cool stickers! I now you like stickers vidd.
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight is in isreal cellofellow
[05:29] <cellofellow> you should be able to get a fully Linux-compatible laptop and System76
[05:29] <cellofellow> he can order from the Turkey address.
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> i checked....the modems dont work
[05:30] <cellofellow> what?
[05:30] <DawnLight> i'll print it
[05:30] <DawnLight> i have stickers paper
[05:30] <DawnLight> thanks that wonderful
[05:30] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: what about ShopRCubed.com?
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> let me look....
[05:32] <cellofellow> this looks like it rocks. http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/1_11
[05:32] <vidd_laptop> * - Feature not supported in Linux at this time
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> Modem  56 kbs V.92 Fax Modem *
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> they ALL have it
[05:33] <cellofellow> on ShopRCubed or System76?
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> both
[05:34] <cellofellow> what about EmperorLinux?
[05:35] <desres> Hey, I was going to try and download xubuntu, but are the downloaded iso's automatically LiveCD's, or are they going to default install linux when i reboot?
[05:36] <cellofellow> alt will install, desktop will be live
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, the raven looks awesome
[05:38] <vidd_laptop> but again...i bet it either has NO dial-up, or the dial-up is a win-modem
[05:38] <cellofellow> it's a linux-ised and customized Lenova Thinkpad
[05:39] <cellofellow> tablet. cool
[05:39] <cellofellow> I think I'd rather the Toucan
[05:40] <cellofellow> ah! EmperorLinux is much more expensive than System76 or ShopRCubed.
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> SWEET!!!!! they biometric scan is working in linux now!
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> FINALLY!!!!!
[05:41] <DawnLight> should i install ubuntu on my new pc or xubuntu?
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> that depends
[05:42] <cellofellow> I knew that they got GDM working with it.
[05:42] <cellofellow> well, Xubuntu rocks for speed on any box.
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> will it be light on resourses?
[05:42] <DawnLight> hey get a chip implant and get it over with
[05:43] <DawnLight> amd 64x2 3800+
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> sorry DawnLight .... no foreign objects are going into THIS sack of flesh!
[05:43] <DawnLight> dual core baby
[05:43] <DawnLight> i agree vidd
[05:43] <DawnLight> but im guessing you have some screws in your mouth
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> you better get a heavy case if you put xubuntu on that !
[05:44] <DawnLight> a heavy case what do you mean?
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, no....why would i have screws in my mouth?
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> that system will FLY with xubuntu
[05:45] <DawnLight> i have one. the dentist put it there. i trusted him and he did that. oh well i guess he meant well
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> they wanted to do that too...dental implants.....
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> i said...i dont need teeth
[05:46] <DawnLight> on the other hand it will look better with ubuntu, right?
[05:46] <DawnLight> lol
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, no joke
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> i have had no teeth for ...what...3 years now?
[05:47] <cellofellow> Xubuntu can look awesome too.
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> no...more like five
[05:48] <DawnLight> its nice right now but very slow on this celeron 1400
[05:48] <DawnLight> no teeth at all?
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> ubuntu or xubuntu?
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> none
[05:48] <DawnLight> xu
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> so i cant eat corn off the cob
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> or fried chicken off the bone
[05:49] <DawnLight> how come you have none
[05:49] <DawnLight> you kidding me
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> cuzz i wont have implants
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> no im not kidding
[05:49] <DawnLight> how bout you grow some
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> ??
[05:49] <DawnLight> im sure its not far from you to do so
[05:50] <DawnLight> if the mind gives the order and the body has the nurishment i see no reason to not get that output
[05:50] <DawnLight> aligators grow them all the time i think
[05:51] <DawnLight> sharks also if im not mistaken
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> so do shark...but im no lawyer!
[05:51] <DawnLight> haha
[05:51] <DawnLight> not without teeth youre not
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> i dont miss them really
[05:52] <DawnLight> i totally agree with you on the implants
[05:52] <DawnLight> nasty stuff
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> i DID have the oppertunity to tell someone "What ya gunna do...knock my teeth out?"
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> [he didnt find it amusing for some reason"
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> Whats nasty about implants
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> I know a chick who has pretty much all implants
[05:55] <DawnLight> i bet shes nasty
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> not at all :P
[05:55] <DawnLight> lol
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> I didnt know until she told me
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> what was his name?
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:56] <DawnLight> lol
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, just kidding man
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> i see the body as a natual element...not to be corrupted by machinary[like the borg] 
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, resistance is futile
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> i feel the same about transplants
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> feeling is irrelevant.
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:58] <DawnLight> lol
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> i will not comply
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> then you will be destroyed.
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> compliance is irrelevent
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> so this is the kind of people I talk to online.
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> lol
[05:59] <DawnLight> ceise current negative procedures
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> hm
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> if we werentlike this...ya think we'd be ca\hatting ONLINE????
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> probably not in a linux chat room
[05:59] <DawnLight> commence positive actions protocol
[06:00] <R[a] ndom> ^ not very borg :P
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> but DawnLight the old lady's ASLEEP!
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> [also nt very borg-like] 
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, you know anything about this bcm43xx driver?
[06:02] <DawnLight> if above=true proceed idle status
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> uh
[06:02] <DawnLight> so i think i installed wine now...
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> !bcm43xx
[06:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> now I know that ^
[06:02] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: if no one knows in #xubuntu, try #ubuntu. Sometimes I've had to go all the way to #linux or ##linux to get help on generic things.
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> I've never used a wireless card
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> I like my cables
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> i like them too...but they dont reach the bathroom!
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> ok...im off to ubuntu for some answers [i hope] 
[06:04] <DawnLight> i consider the bathroom a stop for pencil fun
[06:04] <cellofellow> gnight
[06:06] <DawnLight> do i need to restart because i dont see wine in my menu
[06:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It won't show up in your menu.
[06:07] <DawnLight> how come
[06:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They didn't make a .desktop file for it.
[06:08] <DawnLight> okay ill go read the documentation
[06:08] <DawnLight> thanks
[06:47] <joe4444> is it possible to upgrade xubuntu to ubuntu?
[06:48] <joe4444> for some reason my cd-rw keeps failing when i try to burn the ubuntu edgy live cd (i think b/c the iso is 698mb) but worked on the first try with the xubuntu iso, which is only 540mb
[07:02] <vidd_laptop> *wave maxamillion
[07:06] <emdash> ummm
[07:06] <emdash> i found a problem with edgy
[07:06] <vidd_laptop> what is it?
[07:06] <emdash> Terminal.app conflicts with xfce-terminal
[07:06] <emdash> both packages try to create a file called Terminal
[07:07] <emdash> but the conflict isn't in the package description apparenlty
[07:08] <emdash> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/9391/
[07:09] <emdash> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/9393/
[07:10] <crimsun> I'll update terminal.app and xfce4-terminal accordingly with Conflicts; thanks.
[07:14] <emdash> cool
[07:14] <emdash> no probelm
[07:14] <emdash> *problem
[07:16] <crimsun> both uploaded.
[07:45] <mjl> hello
[07:47] <maxamillion> hi
[07:48] <mjl> looking for a recommendation for a video editor...
[07:50] <maxamillion> mjl: video editor ... hmmmm, i don't do any editing myself so i would be of no help :(
[07:54] <mjl> well, while no help, that is officially my first IRC msg that has been responded to.
[07:54] <mjl> so I'll consider it a victory.
[07:56] <maxamillion> i try to do as much as possible :)
[07:56] <maxamillion> mjl: where all have you been posting?
[07:56] <mjl> just here...
[07:56] <mjl> just installed xubuntu about 30 minutes ago
[07:57] <mjl> so far so good, too.
[07:57] <maxamillion> mjl: you might look http://lives.sourceforge.net/ ... that seems to be the most popular one just from doing some web searching
[08:02] <mjl> installed xubuntu instead of ubuntu because I have a clunker PC.  am now installing a bunch of apps.  Will having apps installed slow me down, or is that more of a Microsoft thing?
[08:02] <maxamillion> microsoft thing
[08:02] <mjl> amen.
[08:03] <maxamillion> the only thing that will slow you down is having alot of them running at once .... just a limitation of physical memory, nothing we can do about that ;)
[08:06] <mjl> hmm.
[08:10] <mjl> should I be able to write to my external USB hard drive if it's FAT32?
[08:10] <maxamillion> yes
[08:10] <maxamillion> without fail
[08:10] <mjl> even if it already has some Windows files on it?  (I'm dual booting)
[08:11] <maxamillion> linux doesn't care what OS wrote the file
[08:11] <mjl> I can copy files from the external HD...
[08:11] <mjl> all the icons have the little lock on them... read-only?
[08:11] <maxamillion> yeah, probably
[08:12] <maxamillion> mjl: do ... sudo chmod +w /path/to/usb/
[08:12] <maxamillion> should work
[08:12] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i need to go, i have class in 6 hours and need to sleep before then
[08:12] <maxamillion> ttyl
[08:12] <mjl> cool. thanks.
[08:13] <maxamillion> np
[11:34] <Prodoc> mornin'
[11:36] <Prodoc> any one know a small but effective notepad with syntax highlighting for different languages for (x)ubuntu and isn't called vi?
[11:37] <Prodoc> I mean like moudepad but with syntax highlighting
[11:46] <grazie> Prodoc: I think SciTE is pretty good
[11:48] <TheSheep> cream :)
[11:49] <Prodoc> TheSheep, that's not the name of a different program is it? ;-
[11:49] <Prodoc> ;-)
[11:50] <TheSheep> Prodoc: it's a hacked vim
[11:50] <TheSheep> Prodoc: but fits your description
[11:53] <Prodoc> thanks guys
[12:02] <dandoon> does anyone know how to get modem-lights for xubuntu?
[12:03] <dandoon> hello?
[12:03] <dandoon> modem-light help please?
[12:45] <Zeqfreed> hey guys, haven't been here for month or so. glad to see you again :)
[01:13] <Zeqfreed> have anybody had any experience with communicating motorola phones via the usb interface?
[01:15] <Jester45> Zeqfreed: i think they should act like storage... like a usb drive
[01:15] <Jester45> not sure
[01:16] <Zeqfreed> i have some troubles with this
[01:16] <Zeqfreed> when i plug the cable, no devices are created in /dev but lsusb and lsscsi list the phone
[01:17] <Zeqfreed> i think something's wrong with the udev
[01:18] <Zeqfreed> because sg0 is supposed to appear in /dev when the phone is plugged in
[01:19] <Zeqfreed> i get error messages like "Bad target number (x:0)" where x is in range from 1 to 7
[01:20] <Zeqfreed> so it probably can't find any suitable devices
[01:20] <Zeqfreed> this sucks :(
[01:21] <Zeqfreed> and nobody is gonna help me :)
[01:27] <Jester45> yea i think thats a problem for the xubuntu help channel. nobody is here often
[01:28] <Jester45> well im off to school
[01:29] <Zeqfreed> good luck
[01:29] <Jester45> no good luck to you
[01:29] <Jester45> :)
[01:29] <Zeqfreed> yeah thanks :)
[01:29] <Jester45> all i can suggest is googling
[01:30] <Zeqfreed> didn't help this time
[05:28] <Markok765> Hello
[05:32] <maxamillion> hi
[05:34] <Markok765> slow day today?
[05:35] <steveno> does anyone here do development work no Xubuntu?
[05:35] <steveno> on*
[05:37] <maxamillion> steveno: what kind of development work? ... i do contributions, but not core devel work
[05:37] <maxamillion> steveno: why, what's up?
[05:37] <steveno> general programming, c/c++, ruby
[05:37] <steveno> my laptop is starting to show its age and I want to replace Gentoo on it
[05:37] <maxamillion> i don't do ruby ....
[05:38] <Markok765> steveno: How fast(specs?)
[05:38] <TheSheep> ah, you mean working on xubuntu, not working on xubuntu :)
[05:38] <maxamillion> lol
[05:38] <maxamillion> hiya TheSheep
[05:38] <TheSheep> hi maxamillion
[05:38] <steveno> 1.6Ghz Pentium 4, 512M ram
[05:38] <maxamillion> steveno: yes, i develop _on_ xubuntu but not _for_ xubuntu
[05:38] <steveno> TheSheep: yes, sorry for the confusion
[05:38] <maxamillion> no worries
[05:38] <maxamillion> steveno: yeah, xubuntu will do wonders for your laptopo
[05:38] <maxamillion> -o
[05:39] <Markok765> Very fast
[05:39] <TheSheep> steveno: vim+gcc+python+glade
[05:39] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ;)
[05:39] <Markok765> Mine is a 226mhz with 64mb ram
[05:39] <Markok765> My desktop is running ubuntu with a 3ghz Pf and 1GB ram
[05:40] <TheSheep> steveno: note that the devel environment is not on the cd, you need to install it separately
[05:40] <steveno> TheSheep: i use vim and gcc already. haven't gotten into glade yet
[05:40] <steveno> TheSheep: i assumed it would be since thats how Ubuntu is setup. not a problem though
[05:40] <Markok765> Can you install it from the download manager?
[05:41] <TheSheep> Markok765: from synaptic
[05:41] <steveno> i've looked at zenwalk before but i didn't care it. ubuntu has always been good to me though
[05:41] <steveno> i just want away from gnome
[05:42] <TheSheep> gnome's getting heavy
[05:42] <steveno> i've currently got it on my desktop, but its hardware is a lot newer
[05:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu is good for good hardware too :)
[05:43] <steveno> without a doubt, but you haven't converted me yet :)
[05:43] <TheSheep> steveno: no need for that -- you'll convert yourself :)
[05:44] <steveno> lol
[05:45] <steveno> dumb question: can you use beryl with xfce?
[05:45] <Markok765> steveno: zenwalk wouldnt boot up on my laptop
[05:46] <TheSheep> steveno: yes, two problems: beryl breaks the xfce the workspace switcher (it displays weird) and there is really nothing you gain except for fancy animations
[05:46] <steveno> Markok765: i got it to boot, but the dolphin....
[05:46] <TheSheep> steveno: xfce4 uses a compositor too, you know
[05:46] <steveno> TheSheep: no, i didnt' know that
[05:46] <j1mc> TheSheep: did the compositor just come along with xfce4.4?
[05:47] <TheSheep> zenwalk looks just unfinished -- lots of rough edges :)
[05:47] <TheSheep> j1mc: it was there earlier too, it is disabled by default
[05:47] <steveno> TheSheep: my thoughts exactly. i felt like the package manager was just written yesterday and that concerned me
[05:47] <TheSheep> j1mc: with 4.4 they added transparent window decorations
[05:47] <j1mc> TheSheep: cool . . .
[05:47] <steveno> true transparency or fake transparency?
[05:48] <TheSheep> steveno: true. and true transaprency in terminal, with opaque letters
[05:48] <steveno> wow. thats impressive
[05:48] <j1mc> nice
[05:48] <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png <-- my desktop
[05:49] <j1mc> TheSheep: looks nice!  what icon set are you using?
[05:49] <steveno> definition check: ture transparency = displays what ever is behind, and not just the desktop. correct?
[05:53] <Snelhest> are there any way to install xubuntu from a usb flashdrive instead of a cd?
[06:01] <TheSheep> !install | steveno
[06:01] <ubotu> steveno: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:01] <TheSheep> sorry
[06:01] <TheSheep> taht was for Snelhest
[06:01] <Snelhest> thanks
[06:02] <j1mc> !grub | j1mc
[06:03] <TheSheep> j1mc: you can /msg it
[06:03] <Snelhest> TheSheep: the computer is kind of new (1,5ghz celeron m 1gb ram) and it supports boot over ethernet, is that hard?
[06:03] <TheSheep> Snelhest: you just need to configure your dhcp server to server the boot image
[06:03] <TheSheep> serve
[06:04] <Snelhest> ok :)
[06:04] <Snelhest> going to try that instead then
[06:05] <Snelhest> TheSheep: it says neetboot image? cant i just send the whole xubuntu iso?
[06:06] <TheSheep> Snelhest: that's impossible, bootp (the protocol used to send the image) uses UDP which has no error detection -- it's good for short files, but a whole iso would instantly got corrupted
[06:06] <Snelhest> ah
[06:07] <Snelhest> any idea how much xubuntu consumes in HDD space?
[06:07] <Snelhest> 1? 2? its just a 6gb drive :/
[06:08] <j1mc> Snelhest: Xubuntu needs at least 1.5gb to be installed
[06:08] <Snelhest> ok, then its no problem
[06:09] <TheSheep> the default install takse some above 2GB I think
[06:09] <Snelhest> hmm ok
[06:10] <Snelhest> are there any list of what is included with xubuntu?
[06:11] <j1mc> Snelhest: what OS are you on right now?
[06:11] <Snelhest> this computer XP
[06:11] <j1mc> ok . . .
[06:11] <j1mc> hold on . . .
[06:12] <Snelhest> ok
[06:15] <j1mc> Snelhest: sorry, i'm not on xubuntu (or any *ubuntu box) right now . . . check out www.xubuntu.org for info about what software is included in xubuntu.
[06:16] <Snelhest> ok
[06:16] <Snelhest> hmm i found my 1gb usb stick
[06:19] <dv_> hello
[06:19] <dv_> xfburn seems to be broken
[06:19] <Snelhest> hi
[06:19] <dv_> when I try to burn an image, I get in the output:
[06:19] <dv_> cdrecord: Bad Option: speed=.
[06:19] <dv_> Usage: cdrecord [options]  track1...trackn
[06:21] <TheSheep> dv_: try setting the speed
[06:21] <dv_> I did
[06:21] <Snelhest> dv_: i dont really have any idea, but try to delete the .xfburn folder
[06:21] <Snelhest> inside /home/username
[06:21] <dv_> oh just read - xfburn is indeed broken in edgy
[06:21] <dv_> how does this pass QA...? :)
[06:22] <TheSheep> edgy didn't pass QA
[06:22] <TheSheep> dapper did
[06:22] <TheSheep> fesity will probably pass too :)
[06:22] <TheSheep> feisty
[08:17] <cellofellow> is there some keystroke or something to change the X resolution on the fly? Or a command?
[08:19] <ormiret> cellofellow: if you have multiple resolutions defines then you can cycle them with (I think) ctrl-alt-+/- on the numeric keypad
[08:20] <cellofellow> not working
[08:20] <TheSheep> that's disabled by default in ubuntu, I think
[08:20] <TheSheep> or not :)
[08:20] <TheSheep> works for me
[08:22] <cellofellow> My brother wants to use 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024 on his user. He uses Fluxbox. Is there some simple command that I can put in his .fluxbox/startup to set the resolution?
[08:24] <cellofellow> maybe it is disabled. How to enable it? The keystrokes thing?
[08:24] <TheSheep> cellofellow: in the serverlayout section of xorg.conf
[08:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: see the man
[08:25] <cellofellow> ok
[08:25] <TheSheep>  Option "DontZoom"  "boolean"
[08:25] <TheSheep>               This  disallows  the  use  of   the   Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus   and
[08:25] <TheSheep>               Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus  sequences.
[08:27] <cellofellow> ok
[08:28] <cellofellow> I see what that does. Is there some command though that will run from a shell script to shrink X?
[08:29] <TheSheep> hmm... not sure if you can control xvidtune from the cli
[08:29] <TheSheep> you can use xvidtune -next and -prev to switch the modes...
[08:30] <TheSheep> there sure are better tools for that
[08:31] <cellofellow> that was... ok
[08:31] <cellofellow> does it read the modes in xorg.conf to do that?
[08:32] <TheSheep> I guess so
[08:32] <cellofellow> seemed that it skipped straight from 1280x1024 to 800x600
[08:33] <cellofellow> ok, I don't think xvidtune is the thing to use.
[08:33] <cellofellow> the proper name for screen sizes in X-talk is "modes"?
[08:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: not exactly, modes are the screen size+colors+refresh frequency+kind of memory used
[08:35] <cellofellow> oh, so it's more than just the XxY resolution?
[08:35] <cellofellow> I'm just trying to figure out what to google.
[08:35] <TheSheep> cellofellow: for example, the same screen size with 256 colors is different mode than with 16 bit color
[08:36] <cellofellow> is it like the kernel vga settings? like 792 is 1024x768x24?
[08:39] <cellofellow> josh@josh-desktop:~$ xvidtune -show
[08:39] <cellofellow> "1280x1024"   108.00   1280 1328 1440 1688   1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
[08:42] <cellofellow> ok, I think I got it
[08:47] <cellofellow> ok, never mind. that didn't work
[08:47] <TheSheep> :(
[09:20] <Markok765> quitter
[10:06] <knight> hi all
[10:06] <knight> I lost my panel
[10:06] <knight> how do I setup my panel again
[10:09] <TheSheep> alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', press enter
[10:11] <knight> ok let me see
[10:11] <knight> it works
[10:11] <knight> now what
[10:52] <ffxr> anybody using vmserver.. how do i update to the latest version..? do i just run the install script from the new tar?
[10:59] <hyper_ch> hiho grazie
[11:01] <ffxr> fuck i broke it ; (
[11:01] <posingaspopular> !language
[11:01] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:03] <grazie> hyper_ch: hi there..how's it going'?
[11:03] <hyper_ch> grazie: fine fine, and yourself?
[11:03] <grazie> fair
[11:04] <hyper_ch> hehehe :)
[11:04] <hyper_ch> I think I found a bug in konversation / feisty
[11:04] <grazie> serious?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> grazie: yes, when you press ctrl-f --> search I think the previous/next buttons are wrong labelled
[11:06] <hyper_ch> not sure if that should be the way it is
[11:06] <hyper_ch> find "next" will move up in the history...
[11:06] <hyper_ch> and I thend to think "next" should move down
[11:06] <hyper_ch> and "find previous" should move up instead
[11:07] <grazie> Works ok on edgy?
[11:07] <hyper_ch> grazie: don't have edgy anymore
[11:13] <grazie> hyper_ch: I looked at the upgrade from edgy to feisty on my mac earlier.... a 360M download!
[11:13] <hyper_ch> grazie: I did a new install
[11:14] <grazie> as the ppc is no longer supported I thought it would be a bit risky
[11:14] <grazie> I've had some feisty test builds installed previously...but no longer
[11:18] <hyper_ch> grazie: btw, on howtoforge is a nice article :)
[11:18] <grazie> hyper_ch: what about?
[11:19] <hyper_ch> grazie: the only problem I had at first with feisty was vmware... but I got that to work now :)
[11:19] <hyper_ch> grazie: and since I bought my new 500gb drive I needed to do a new install anyway
[11:19] <hyper_ch> http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_mydnsconfig_dnsmasp_on_ubuntu_edgy
[11:26] <hyper_ch> grazie: I think I'm going to try this tomorrow
[11:54] <root_> hi, my xubuntu installation aborted during installing software packages due to a CD-ROM error.  I can get to console, however.  can I just copy the files from somewhere or otherwise continue to install?
[11:56] <vidd_laptop> root_, yes.....
[11:56] <vidd_laptop> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> comment out [put # in front]  of the cd line
[11:57] <root_> problem,  wireless card drivers didn't get installed
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> then sudo apt-get update
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> ah.....
[11:57] <root_> ok
[11:57] <root_> i forgot about good ol cat-5 though... i guess i can just plug into the switch
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> can you jack in to your router?
[11:58] <root_> yeah
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> there ya go
[11:58] <root_> would that continue the install process?
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> once you apt-get update.....
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> THAT will continue the install
[11:59] <vidd_laptop> more or less
[11:59] <root_> will that go through the hardware detection process again and install the proper drivers+madwifi for my wireless card?
[11:59] <vidd_laptop> it SHOULD
[11:59] <root_> thanks
[11:59] <root_> if not, i'll stay hardwired and get help that way
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> HEY.....NOT in puplic!
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> *public