=== MattJ [n=matthew@88-109-160-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:43] anybody any idea how to change icons. for individual apps like vlc, amarok, k3b? === maverick-so [n=maverick@c-71-202-58-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:45] Hello everyone [12:46] ... anyone -not- idling? [12:46] :) [12:47] ffxr: don't know but have you looked under /usr/share/vlc/ etc, for icons? [12:48] when using wine agains widows how much slower will my program run? [12:50] tesuki: I think it depends on the program, but I don't use it much. I run one app that seems to run just as well (if not better) under wine [12:52] tesuki: I also tried running Sibelius under wine and that wasn't a success for me [12:52] Hopefully someone can help... I'm running the newest Xubuntu on my laptop with a second monitor connected via VGA - it seems I can get Xinerama -sort of- working, in that it displays a cropped clone screen, but I can't fix the resolution and enable an expanded desktop... anyone have any experience with this? [12:55] k grazie.. ve been locate (ing) png & svg files and renaming old all evening.. cant for the life of me get the vlc icon to change.. melt.. wish it was just in a wee text file somewhere.. [12:55] if you have an nvidia graphics card i would try the prop drivers.. [12:55] @maverick-so [12:56] No, it's a Radeon Xpress 200M [12:57] thank you grazie [12:57] np [01:00] ffxr: they're probably cached... [01:01] Hm... brb === maverick-so [n=maverick@c-71-202-58-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] [01:06] ahh.. i see what you mean.. grazie.. its driving me mad.. === neozen [n=neozen@wireless-225-36.wireless-vpn.depaul.edu] has joined #xubuntu === maverick-so [n=maverick@c-71-202-58-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:20] Ok, so now I've tried fiddling, and even turning Xinerama off, but nothing seems to have any effect [01:20] I think I'm doing something quite wrong [01:20] trying to get multi-monitor mav? [01:20] Yeah [01:20] scary-scary [01:21] I really, really want to make a complete move to Linux (esp. Xubuntu) but I kind of need my hardware to work, you know? I don't expect perfect, or easy, but -something- :) === cellofellow [n=josh@geek-225.69-71-160-0.qwest.dsl.vcn.com] has joined #xubuntu === neozen nods [01:23] I hear you [01:23] the forums been any help? === DawnLight [i=Dawn@85.64.208.231.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:23] Not so much. [01:23] O.o [01:24] I thought I had gotten Xinerama to display a sort of cropped clone screen, but apparently something else enabled that, because Xinerama doesn't appear to be active [01:24] I thought xinerama was always active [01:24] ..even when you don't have a multi-mon setup [01:25] I don't know. Several places claim xrandr won't work with Xinerama enabled, and it certainly doesn't complain when I try and run it [01:25] !xrandr [01:25] xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB [01:25] ah [01:25] I take it you're using edgy === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #xubuntu [01:26] hoallo mez [01:26] I believe so [01:26] Latest version of Xubuntu [01:27] well... here's an easy check [01:27] ls -l /bin/sh [01:27] if it points to dash [01:27] ..you're on edgy [01:27] Indeed it does [01:27] if it points to bash.. you're on dapper [01:28] hello! installation seems to be succesful inspite of some problems before! now it asks me wether to install GRUB and mentions the existence of a windows xp operating system which shouldn't exist. does anyone know what it may have found to indicate (falsely) that a winxp installation exists? [01:28] a recovery partition might exist [01:28] what is that sorry [01:28] what brand of comp? [01:29] brand? asus tusi-m celeron something === neozen shrugs [01:29] ...some manufacturers put a 'recovery partition' on the HD which allow you to restore the system to factory setup [01:30] ie winXP home or xp pro [01:30] DawnLight: did you format the whole disk when you installed? [01:30] I've seen quite a few of these that use a minimal install of XP on these partitions to get the job done [01:31] emmmm "erase entire device" if im not mistaken it was [01:31] odd then [01:31] but i have another hd installed [01:31] winxp was installed on it [01:31] it'll detect that [01:32] that explains it === neozen nods [01:32] what if i tell it not to install grub [01:32] then its up to the bios? [01:33] you might not be able to boot into linux [01:33] depends on which drive is the master... and which is the slave [01:34] i've installed it in the master hd using recommended partitioning [01:34] then you should install grub [01:34] I think [01:34] cello? [01:35] can grub be configured not to ask me anything and boot to it automatically? [01:35] yes [01:35] lots of documentation on grub [01:36] it may even be useful because i plan to install a SLED distro on the slave hd [01:37] sled? [01:37] SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop [01:37] blah [01:38] will be used for irrigation valve control :) [01:38] hopefuly [01:38] ill go tell it YES [01:38] hehehe === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:39] dawn... you're using linux to control your sprinkler system?!!? [01:39] ......oi [01:39] what [01:40] is there something WRONG with that? [01:40] use Debian. why you need YaST for a sprinkler system? [01:40] sounds way more fun then those irrigation computers [01:40] lol [01:41] lol [01:41] vidd: heck no [01:41] lol [01:41] just one of the more creative uses I've heard of [01:41] make coffee.... [01:41] i was recommended to use SLED because of stability and stuff [01:42] im new to linux [01:42] i think its wonderful [01:42] how stable can it be? they signed a deal with M$ [01:42] ^^^ SUSE [01:42] vidd: ::GRIN:: @ coffee maker idea [01:43] yes, ive read that in their site [01:43] Novel....a Microsoft Company...... [01:43] =[ [01:43] is it considered a crime against huxanity? [01:43] tuxanity perhaps [01:44] ...but humanity will survive ::grins:: [01:44] lol [01:44] when you consider that Novell has ALWAYS been a propietary-minded company....it SHOULDNT be a big surpise [01:45] how many ppl get cut when windows crash? [01:45] =] [01:45] i once seen a guy wearing a student bag with a big red NOVELL on it [01:46] law student? [01:46] anyone having any luck with bcm43xx? [01:46] computer technician actually [01:47] =\ [01:47] vidd: ::shudders:: [01:47] ...another one [01:47] GAH [01:47] yeah [01:47] evil card! [01:47] very [01:47] that blasted thing never works! [01:48] anyway my irrigation linux wont be doing the lawn [01:48] i had it working before my last re-install [01:48] dawn: why not? [01:48] for some strange reason it boots into the wrong channel and wont see my access point [01:48] it will be irrigating an indoor baby leaf machine [01:49] dawn.....? [01:49] whazzat? [01:49] DawnLight, what KIND of "leaf" [01:49] LOL [01:49] not the kind "for medicinal purposes only" i hope [01:50] =] [01:51] neozen, if i could find a replacement for it that would fit in this lappy....i'd buy 2 === vidd_laptop wants a 100% linux-friendly laptop [01:51] the usb_prism2 chipset is very popular [01:52] no usb [01:52] ..............................oi [01:52] good food [01:52] drag [01:52] uh oh [01:52] usb=evil [01:52] tell me it has pcmcia [01:52] a laptop should have nothing hanging off of it [01:53] yeah..it HAS the ports [01:53] and usb ports [01:53] so USE the ports [01:53] its what they're there for [01:53] lol [01:53] it shipped with a built in card...i WANT abuilt-in card [01:54] particularly when your internal hardware starts acting flaky [01:54] installation finished, reboot into grub, choosed the regular boot, graphic progress bar - then one long beep followed by three short ones and black screen [01:54] .....well you have one [01:54] i just want a built-in card that is linux-freindly [01:54] ...that's broken in linux [01:54] well [01:54] should've bought a thinkpad === neozen grins [01:55] and it pays to do your research on your hardware before you buy [01:55] think, pad! think! [01:55] ...its why I bought this one === vidd_laptop wasnt into linux @ the time.... [01:55] aaah [01:55] ok [01:55] you're excused [01:55] .....at last check that chipset works.... kind of [01:55] and walmart dont sell thinkpads [01:55] lol [01:55] no [01:55] lenovo.com does [01:56] that's where I bought mine [01:56] $1k and worth every penny === vidd_laptop dont buy ANYTHING from a .com [01:56] many pennies in 1k [01:56] dawn: indeed [01:56] so what were those beeps [01:57] vidd: ...lenovo builds the laptops for ibm [01:57] this was 560$ [01:57] vidd: and now... you know why [01:57] and about 8K$ in headaches [01:57] any ideas? [01:57] beeps? [01:57] how many of them? [01:57] dapper, edgy, or fiesty? [01:57] one long and three shorts [01:57] (beep codes aren't standardized) [01:58] ..........uh oh [01:58] edgy (6.10 right?) [01:58] asus mb right? [01:58] kk [01:58] how did you know [01:58] *asus motherboard right? [01:58] i dont like this [01:58] dawn: you mentioned it before [01:58] desktop or laptop? [01:58] was just checking [01:58] desk [01:59] http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm === grazie_ [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:59] the install completed, grub loaded and THEN the SOS? [01:59] did you change your videocard? [01:59] you think the bios made them [01:59] yes [01:59] but it was after grub [01:59] hmmmmmmm [02:00] what do you see on the screen [02:00] ...nothing right? [02:00] right [02:00] the kernel talks to the bios during boot [02:00] no hdd led also [02:00] .....what kind of videocard? === grazie_ is now known as grazie [02:00] the onboard one on the tusi-m [02:01] need i check? [02:01] no [02:01] probably some kind of intel [02:01] something went kersplat [02:01] DawnLight, did you run a live cd or the alt? [02:02] alt [02:02] oh [02:02] the live cd did the same thing exactly [02:02] during the graphic progress bar [02:02] but the live booted into live..... [02:02] ? [02:03] http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/support/download/manual/370/tusi_m_e.pdf [02:03] you mean did it run? [02:03] there be the manual for the mobo [02:03] already there [02:03] ...perhaps there's beep codes [02:03] did the live cd run [02:04] no it didn't it gave me the same beeps [02:05] found the beep codes! scanning... [02:06] "video card not found or video card memory bad" [02:07] try running the recovery mode [02:07] you should get a command promt [02:07] *prompt [02:07] as root [02:07] i remember giving the video card very little memory in the bios [02:07] then reconfigure x [02:08] maybe ill try to increase it? [02:08] DawnLight, always OVER allow and cut back later [02:08] ok, does anybody know how to get libdockapp? libdockapp2 is in the repos but not libdockapp. [02:08] dont be the guy who cuts 3 times and its STILL too short! [02:08] =] [02:08] hold on [02:09] woohoo me was... somewhat.... right [02:09] libdockapp [02:09] hmm [02:10] nope [02:10] I want to be able to mount USB drives with HAL in Fluxbox, and the dockapp I found for it won't compile with libdockapp2 [02:10] weird [02:11] yay for non-backwards-compatible libs [02:11] something's very wrong w/ that [02:11] gave it aperture 64 and shared 32 got same beeps... [02:11] give it MORE [02:11] lol [02:12] treat it like windows [02:12] keep throwing memory at it till it craws to lofe [02:12] *life [02:12] configure: error: libdockapp >= 0.6.0 is required. [02:12] okay doubled it [02:13] and now you're ok? [02:13] waiting... [02:14] I looked into Sarge's repos. even that didn't have libdockapp [02:14] going away for a bit === neozen is now known as neozen-away [02:14] DawnLight, any luck? [02:15] cello: you grabbed the -dev package right? [02:16] no. now gave it maximum 256 aperture 64 share [02:16] waiting... [02:17] what about memory post write and cpu to vga post write? what are those? [02:17] neozen-away, you see someone have success with the bcm43xx? [02:17] still beeps [02:17] DawnLight, no idea [02:17] ill try them and then i have another idea [02:17] set the bios to safty defaults === vidd_laptop is not very comfortable with playing with bios since he bricked a couple mobo's [02:19] bricked huh... [02:19] lol [02:19] okay no good [02:20] does your live cd still load? === neozen-away is now known as neozen [02:20] i have an S3 735 ViRGE/DX on the board disabled [02:20] wb neozen [02:20] danke [02:21] its better then the onboard maybe ill try it [02:21] DawnLight, why? [02:21] why what? [02:21] why you have a second board installed if your not using it? [02:21] so cello... you grabbed the libdockapp-dev package from the repos right?!!? [02:22] not just the libdockapp2 package === j1mc [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has joined #xubuntu [02:23] DawnLight, either USE the second board, or REMOVE it [02:23] and that SHOULD fix your issue [02:23] heheheh === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:23] removing it should? alright hold on [02:23] bios-disabling is tricky......even with wind bloze [02:24] OSes assume that display boards added trump display board integrated [02:25] no matter WHAT the bios says [02:25] neozen: yes [02:26] makes sense actually [02:26] hey no beeps... [02:27] you got display? [02:27] hehe but now it says something about failing to run the x display [02:28] do i want to see the x server output? [02:28] that is because during install you told it to configure for one card and not the one your using [02:28] no.... [02:28] so reinstall then [02:29] just get to a terminal and reinstall x [02:29] alright [02:29] wait.... [02:29] whats a terminal [02:29] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [02:29] a command prompt [02:29] brb [02:29] need to change the baby [02:30] thats nice [02:31] now i have a black screen with a flashing _. i am assuming that its a terminal [02:31] or the terminal [02:32] terminal cardinal subliminal radical [02:33] critical fiscal naustril [02:33] found my problem. libdockapp-dev is 0.5.something, while I need 0.6 for this dockapp. [02:33] so one tenth is all you needed [02:33] DawnLight, hit [ctrl] [alt] [f2] [02:33] aaaaaaaaaaaah [02:33] big difference I guess. [02:33] yes [02:33] it couldn't let one tenth slide? [02:34] lol [02:34] !info libdockapp-dev feisty [02:34] libdockapp-dev: Window Maker Dock App support (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0-1.3 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 136 kB [02:34] no luck there cellofellow [02:34] 0.6 isn't in feisty either. where will I get it.? [02:34] lol [02:34] yahooooooooooo [02:34] =] [02:34] now it says dawnlight login [02:35] type your username [02:35] then password [02:35] then [02:35] the line [02:35] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [02:36] okay hold on [02:37] now once this works you are obligated to help at least 3 more ppl [02:37] cello [02:37] =] [02:38] download from source [02:38] just kidding [02:38] dump into the proper directory [02:38] *download the source [02:38] or just find another app [02:39] im gonna spread linux in israel [02:39] so what to put in the bus thing? [02:39] or leave at default [02:39] leave as default [02:40] drat, even Sid has lbdockapp 0.5. What is the guy who wrote this using? Gentoo? [02:40] and amount of memory? [02:40] default eveything [02:40] cello: slackware mayhaps [02:40] don't mess with that one, I think. === neozen nods [02:41] time to find another app [02:41] yeah [02:42] lol i renamed my wireless card from "Broadcom 4306" to "POS" [02:43] hehehe [02:43] trouble is there are very few standalone HAL-device mounting apps. Most are part of a desktop environment. xfdesktop does it in xfce4, and gnome-volume-manager in gnome. kdesktop too. === neozen nods [02:44] was wondering how to do that in ubuntu server [02:44] so I could use my 120gb external to backup every once in awhile [02:45] phew... so im back in the terminal [02:45] well, I'm still searching. I thought that wmvolman would work, but it WON'T COMPILE. [02:45] whee! [02:45] back in the terminal WOOHOO! === neozen dances [02:45] giggles [02:46] DawnLight, you golden now? [02:46] golden axe [02:46] you running? [02:46] what do you mean? [02:46] reboot [02:46] should be ok [02:46] im running back and fourth [02:46] lol === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-254-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:46] shall i type reboot? [02:46] is your sysem running like it should? [02:47] yes [02:47] sudo reboot [02:47] hold on [02:47] yes [02:47] maybe hal-device-manager [02:47] neozen, you think you can help with this evil card? [02:47] vidd [02:47] nope [02:47] which, drat, has gnome depends [02:47] but I can ask a few friends who have it [02:47] and see how they got it working [02:48] please [02:48] ...drop me an email [02:48] "reboot: need to be root" [02:48] sudo reboot [02:48] *sudo* reboot [02:48] like I said === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.15.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:49] when you need to be root to do something ... and you're absolutely SURE that its the right thing to do... sudo [02:49] sudo = "pretend im ..." [02:50] and with no user name it defalts to root [02:50] ok, hal-device-manager is NOT what I want. === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #xubuntu [02:50] and to do things to the machine that would potentially effect other users..... like reboot... you need to be the owner.... known as root [02:50] neozen, i dont know your address [02:51] can you PM it to me? [02:51] I just did [02:51] ....I think [02:51] lol [02:52] didnt get it [02:52] oh my god i have gui! [02:52] WHEE! [02:52] lol [02:53]