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cliebow_ijwyn, you mean  chmod? chown?12:21
ijwynyeah, chmod12:21
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lnsHey all12:27
lnsDoes anyone have any information on getting flash/java plugins working on an edubuntu xeon (x86-64) server for x86 thin clients?12:28
lnsAm I missing something easy or do i have to jump through hoops to get it to work under 64-bit?12:29
LaserJockhmm, I'd check the Ubuntu forums12:30
LaserJockbecuase I think you can get a 32bit Firefox that flash works in12:31
lnsYeah I read a bit about that12:31
lnsyou have to use some sort of wrapper12:31
lnshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&highlight=java+firefox+6412:32
lnsactually this might be a (really hairy) solution: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava12:35
ijwynok thanks for the help guys, I think we've more or less figured things out :-)12:41
ijwynI'm outta here12:41
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pirastcould anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814?12:46
pirastwhere's ubugtu?12:46
pirastoh mh12:46
pirastwrong channel12:46
pirastsorry :)12:46
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cliebowmouse action is miserable in ppc..any way to speed er up12:51
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cliebow_fixed itself on update !!03:06
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sesjahello04:46
sesjaanybody there04:48
sesja?04:48
LaserJocksomebody I'm sure04:48
LaserJocksesja: what's up?04:51
sesjai am going to do something04:51
sesjato get know system04:52
sesjawhat are the goals of open source systems?04:53
sesja:-)04:53
sesja?04:53
sesjaemotion mark?04:54
LaserJockwell, that's a very general question04:54
LaserJockmany people have many different goals with open source softare04:54
LaserJockgenerally it's about freedom04:54
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sesjaoh if it is true i like it at once04:55
sesjabut04:55
sesjabut?04:55
sesjai would like to know how can I use effectively the system04:56
sesjawhere should i start?04:56
LaserJockwell, you can start by installing Edubuntu :-)04:56
sesjathen what?04:58
LaserJockstart playing around04:58
LaserJockyou're free to pretty much do whatever you want04:58
LaserJockEdubuntu has access to lots and lots of open source software04:58
sesjasounds like advertisement04:59
LaserJockhm?04:59
LaserJockhow do you mean?04:59
sesjayou know04:59
sesjathere is windows04:59
sesjaand other distributions of open source04:59
sesjawhy edubuntu04:59
LaserJockoh05:00
LaserJockwell, Edubuntu is primarily designed for kids and schools05:00
LaserJockUbuntu (the parent project of Edubuntu) is more general05:00
sesjaare u kid or student?05:01
LaserJockwell, I'm a PhD student05:01
LaserJock25 years old05:01
sesjaoh05:01
sesjai don't know what PhD means05:02
LaserJockDoctorate of Philosophy05:02
sesjawow !!05:02
LaserJockthe highest level of university traning in the US05:02
sesjathat's cool05:02
sesjayou are great05:03
LaserJockheh05:03
sesjai think05:03
LaserJocknot exactly05:03
LaserJockI've just been in school a long time05:03
sesjaso05:04
sesjayou are philosophy student05:04
LaserJocknot exactly05:04
LaserJocka PhD is a general term05:04
LaserJockfrom back in the day when philosophy meant more than what it means now05:04
LaserJockI'm a Physical Chemistry student05:05
sesja:-)05:05
sesjaso you learn about Everything ?05:06
LaserJockheh, I wish I could05:06
sesjaso do I05:06
sesjais using Edubuntu part of your philosophy?05:07
LaserJockhow do you mean?05:07
sesjawhen you said about freedom I thought about some deeper meaning05:07
LaserJockah05:08
LaserJockwell, I think I'm still working on it05:08
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LaserJocksome people certainly apply the freedom philosophy outside of software05:09
LaserJockI do work with a group of scientists working on "open source" science05:09
sesjai would like to do so05:10
sesjaand liking is all I have05:10
LaserJockyou might be interested in http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy05:10
sesjait says about freedom electronically at least05:12
LaserJockyes05:13
sesjai tried to work on mandrake and had great problem to install any software not included in packages05:14
LaserJockah05:14
sesjawhat do u think?05:15
LaserJockthat can happen05:15
LaserJockUbuntu has several tools to avoid that05:15
sesjayou talk about Ubuntu but we are on Edubuntu channel05:16
LaserJockthey are essentially the same05:16
LaserJockEdubuntu is just a educational variant of Ubuntu05:16
sesjadoes it have the same possibilities?05:17
LaserJockit has access to the same software repositories05:17
sesjais it full answer?05:17
LaserJockyes, it has the same possibilities05:18
sesjathank u05:18
sesja:-)05:18
sesjacan I turn off this graphical marks?05:18
sesjathese05:18
sesjado u use them>05:19
sesja?05:19
sesjaok05:19
sesjafreedom software05:20
LaserJockwhich graphical marks?05:20
sesja:-)05:20
sesjathat one05:20
LaserJockoh, yes. I use them a fair amount05:20
sesjaI think Edubuntu is quite fast05:22
sesjais that so?05:22
sesjamany questions05:23
LaserJockhmm05:24
LaserJockit kind of depends on what you are comparing the speed to05:24
LaserJockI find it prety fast05:25
LaserJock*pretty05:25
sesja:-)05:26
sesjahow many questions left?05:26
LaserJockheh05:27
sesjaare u kind of scientist?05:27
LaserJockyes05:27
LaserJockI work with lasers05:28
sesjareally?05:28
sesjathese in CD ROMS?05:28
LaserJockhehe, no05:28
sesjajedi knights?05:28
LaserJockmy research doesn't have anything to do with computers05:28
sesjaso this is kind of "hobby" ?05:29
LaserJockwe investigate molecules with the lasers05:29
sesjawow05:29
sesjau crash them05:29
sesja?05:29
sesjano05:29
LaserJockkind of05:29
sesjauhm05:29
LaserJockwe shoot them with the laser and watch how the respond05:29
sesjapoor molecules05:29
LaserJockhehe05:30
LaserJockbut yeah, Ubuntu/Edubuntu are kind of a big hobby05:31
sesjaok05:31
sesjawhat do use them for?05:31
LaserJockUbuntu?05:32
sesjayes05:32
LaserJockI run it on my computers05:32
LaserJockand I help maintain the software so other people can benefit05:32
sesjamaintain?05:32
sesjado you keep it? make it accessible ?05:33
sesjaor work on projects?05:34
LaserJockwell, Ubuntu is made up of thousands of different pieces of software05:34
LaserJockfrom thousands of different software authors05:34
LaserJockand we have to make sure it all works together and is as bug free as we can make it05:35
sesjai understand05:35
sesjahow did u get the knowledge about computers?05:36
sesjanot in school as i see05:36
LaserJockno05:36
LaserJockjust using it05:36
LaserJockand reading05:36
LaserJockand eventually by just hleping out05:36
LaserJock*helping05:36
sesjahelping learns teacher?05:37
sesjaother helping05:37
LaserJockwell, mostly helping maintain packages05:37
LaserJockand writing documentation05:37
sesjawow05:37
LaserJockand teaching people how to do that05:37
LaserJockand writing some software05:37
LaserJockstuff like that05:37
sesja:-)05:37
LaserJockI just help where I can05:38
sesjalike gaim?05:38
sesja;-)05:38
LaserJockI haven't worked on gaim, yet05:38
sesjayou should05:38
sesjathere is one option missing05:38
sesjahave always been using linux system?05:39
sesjayou05:39
LaserJockno05:39
LaserJockI've been using it for about 5 years05:39
sesjawhat was before?05:40
sesjaBigBang05:40
LaserJockwhat was before what?05:41
sesjaI don't know if I should ask this question05:41
sesjadid u use windows?05:41
LaserJockoh sure05:42
LaserJockstill use it sometimes05:42
LaserJockalthough I use OS X a lot more05:42
LaserJockas I have an iMac at work05:42
sesjawhat systems have you installed on your machine?05:43
sesjai have windows xp media center05:43
sesjarunning edubuntu live cd05:44
sesjai like linux systems more05:44
LaserJockwell, at home my machines dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu05:44
sesjauhm05:44
LaserJockat work just Ubuntu and OS X05:45
sesjai thing it is good solution05:45
LaserJockI do too05:45
sesjai would like to install EduBuntu could help me with that?05:46
sesjayou05:46
sesjaor send me where can I learn about that05:46
sesjai am talking about dual-boot05:47
LaserJockon the same hard drive? or do you have a second hard drive?05:48
sesjashould I have second?05:48
LaserJockit's easier05:48
sesjaI know05:48
LaserJockthe problem is you need to resize the Windows partition to allow room for Edubuntu05:48
sesjaI know that too05:48
sesjawhat i don't know is:05:49
sesjais it safe to repartition on hard drive with system on it05:50
sesjais it good to have 2 systems on one hard drive05:50
sesjaand05:50
sesjahow much space should I reserve for Edubuntu05:50
sesja:-)05:50
sesjasend me to google if u wish05:51
LaserJockwell, I use Partition Magic for Windows to make the space05:51
sesjaI used it and thing it's the best05:52
LaserJockand I'd make at least 10GB of space to Edubuntu if you have space05:52
sesjai have05:52
LaserJockhow much free space do you have on there now?05:52
sesjai waited for this questio05:52
sesjan05:52
sesjai think there is about 180 GB05:55
sesjacan I check it in Edubuntu?05:55
sesjaor where can I check it05:55
sesjaI don't know basic information about my equipment05:56
sesjauntil it is necessary05:56
LaserJockyou probably can check it in Ubuntu05:57
LaserJockif you go System->Administration->Partition Editor (or something like that)05:57
sesjahere is said I have 153.38 GiB06:00
sesjai thought there is only "round" number06:00
LaserJockit says that is fre space?06:00
LaserJock*free06:00
LaserJockor total space06:00
sesjatotal06:01
sesjaunused 136 GiB06:01
sesja:-)06:01
LaserJockwell, 180GB doesn't really mean 180GB06:01
sesjais it connected with this...06:02
sesjamultiplier?06:02
LaserJockwell, I'd give Edubuntu whatever you what realy06:02
LaserJockif you plan on putting a lot of stuff on there (music, files, etc.) then you might want to do 20+GB06:03
LaserJockthe minimum is around 2GB06:03
LaserJockbut you'll definately want some space to play around06:03
sesja:-)06:03
sesjacan I change the size of partition after intallation?06:04
sesjainstalling06:04
sesjacan I put some more space for Ubuntu if i need to after installing?06:04
LaserJockhmm, well I wouldn't recommend it06:05
LaserJockbut it's possible06:05
sesjaok06:05
sesjawhy not?06:05
LaserJockit would involve resizing partitions with stuff on them06:05
LaserJockwhich is always a tad risky06:05
sesjai thought so06:05
LaserJockso you want to do it as little as possible06:05
sesjano it is not true06:06
LaserJockresizing the Windows partition probably wouldn't be too bad06:06
sesjai thought to divide hard drive in two06:06
LaserJockthat' be more than enough06:06
sesjaso06:06
sesjahow much is enough?06:06
LaserJockif you divid it in half06:06
LaserJockyou'd have lots room06:07
LaserJockit's always to have more :-)06:07
LaserJockalways good06:07
sesjaremember that when I add I deduct too06:08
sesjain this case06:08
sesjathat's why i ask06:08
sesjaam asking06:09
sesjais there partition magic for linux?06:10
sesjai know that it is commercial program in windows06:10
sesjaand I can't get it lately06:10
sesjaor GNOME resiser would do?06:11
sesjaif I am tiring to much just say06:12
LaserJockwell, the installer has a partitioner06:12
sesjait is rare to hear answer other than RTFM when talking about linux systems06:13
sesjainstaller?06:13
LaserJockthe Ubuntu06:13
LaserJockinstaller06:13
sesjaEdubuntu06:13
LaserJockyeah06:13
LaserJockwell06:13
sesjait will destroy my Windows06:13
sesjaor not?06:13
LaserJockthat wouldn't be good06:13
LaserJockwell, it *could*06:13
LaserJockthat's why we recommend you backup06:14
sesjabackup?06:14
LaserJockbut the Desktop installer should be able to resize06:14
sesjashould I go paranoid06:14
LaserJockbackup important stuff from your Windows install06:14
LaserJockhehe06:14
sesjaok06:14
LaserJockwell, we have to cover ourselves06:14
sesjaIMPORTANT STUFF that won't be much06:15
LaserJockwe can't tell you it's fine if there is a chance it could have problems06:15
sesjaI can only tell that when I used Partition Magic it worked well06:16
LaserJockyeah, that's what I used06:16
sesjais installer partitioning as good as it?06:16
LaserJockwell, that's hard to say06:16
LaserJockI've not had problems with either06:17
LaserJockbut I'd personally trust Partition Magic more06:17
sesjaok06:17
sesjahmm06:17
sesjaI have great problems with decisions06:18
LaserJock:-)06:18
LaserJockwell, I'd recommend backing up things that you want back *if* Windows happened to get killed06:18
LaserJockand then play around06:18
sesjaI like the expression06:19
sesjaplay around06:19
sesjawhere should I look for to get know what can I do using the system06:20
LaserJockwell, it's sort of hard to say06:21
sesjaaGain06:21
LaserJocklook for software for things that you are interested in06:21
sesjaok06:21
LaserJocklike I look for science software06:22
sesjaare there any *start* places?06:22
sesjafor software for example06:22
LaserJockwell, get it installed, check out the programs that are installed06:22
sesjauhm06:22
LaserJockthen go to "Add/Remove Applications"06:23
LaserJockand look for some interesting stuff06:23
sesjastep by step :-)06:23
sesjahave I to install it?06:24
sesja??06:24
LaserJockno06:24
LaserJockit's in the menu06:24
sesjai remember that there was also choice how much memory to give for swap and others06:26
sesjahow to define it?06:26
sesjaLaserJock:06:27
sesjais there no manual for correct installation ?06:28
sesjafor lames06:29
sesja:-)06:29
sesjaor you are the one?06:29
sesjasorry06:30
LaserJockwell, it should be fairly straightforward06:31
LaserJockhow much RAM do you have?06:31
LaserJockyou can have it automatically set up the partitions, by the way06:32
sesjaaha06:32
sesjait is good06:32
sesja 1 G i thing06:33
sesja*k06:33
sesjawhere can I check all information about my computer06:33
sesjain Ubuntu06:33
sesjaI have enough RAM to run LIVE CD that is sure06:34
sesjawait06:34
sesjamaybe in filesystem?06:34
sesjano06:36
sesjayou know I am the kid who get computer from mummy and I don't know nothing about it06:36
sesja:-)06:37
sesjai think 512 or 1 G06:37
sesjaare you working now on something?06:38
LaserJocksorry06:38
sesjafor what?06:39
LaserJockI think 512MB of RAM would be fine06:39
LaserJockI was away for a while06:39
sesjathere is enough06:39
sesjano problem06:39
sesjais LaserJock your hacking nick? ;-)06:40
sesjahmm06:42
sesjai tried to listen to internet radio06:42
sesjait doesn't work here06:42
LaserJockI guess it's my hacking nick06:43
LaserJockit's what I go by on IRC and I use it a fair amount06:43
sesjawhy can't linux use windows applications ?06:44
sesjaor *specifications* ?06:44
nixternal2 totally different OS's (kernels) for one06:44
nixternalyou can run some Windows apps with Wine though06:45
sesjaI thing it is not very good idea06:45
nixternalwhat's that?06:45
sesjaWine06:45
sesjait is emulator06:45
nixternaldepends on if you are talking drinking wine or the win32 app wrapper06:46
sesjaoh06:46
sesjathat was funny06:46
nixternalwine is not an emulator, that's at least what they want you to think06:46
sesjai ran wine and windows apps worked very bad or didn't worked at all06:46
nixternalwell, if you could all of those Windows app makers to start writing free software ports for Linux, then everyone will be happy. Until then the MS monopoly rides on :)06:47
nixternalI have only messed with wine to play online poker. hehe06:47
sesja:-)06:47
nixternalnow they have Java clients, so I don't need Wine anymore06:47
sesjai tried to run Quake III Arena on mandrake06:48
sesjathe result was horrible06:48
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sesjaare the others on the channel bots?06:49
nixternalI run Q3A on my laptop with an integrated Intel graphics card, and w/o Wine06:49
sesjaooo06:49
sesjanixternal: is there linux version of it?06:50
sesjaof Q06:50
nixternalhaha06:51
sesja:-)06:51
nixternalsesja: I was actually going to link you to the page06:51
nixternalbut it seems it has been hacked by a turkish hacker06:51
nixternalhttp://gaming.gwos.org/06:51
nixternallol, they show you how to get it working06:51
sesjatotem couldn't play fd006:52
sesjagreat link06:52
nixternalhehe06:52
nixternalthere are Q3 howtos out there for Linux06:52
nixternalthe one I wanted to link you to I think is the best06:52
sesjayou are laughing at me06:52
sesjastraight me up instead of that06:53
nixternalyou copy the baseq3 to /usr/games/quake3/ and then you you run this q3 updater bin and it will allow you to run Q3 natively06:53
sesjaI ran the game but it worked EXTREMELY slow06:54
sesjanatively you say06:54
nixternalyes06:54
nixternalI run it and my system isn't fast at all06:54
nixternalyou don't have to run Q3 in Wine06:55
sesjaand other games06:56
sesjawhat slows applications when using Wine06:57
sesjatranslating?06:57
nixternalI really don't know06:57
sesjagreat radio have I caught here in Ubuntu06:58
sesjawhere are the visual art for music played?07:01
sesjaare there any in system?07:01
sesjai loved mandrake ones07:01
sesja3 or 4 at the same time07:01
nixternalwhen it comes to GNOME, I couldn't tell ya07:02
sesjahmm07:02
sesjathere was a program for mp307:02
sesjawhat was its name07:02
sesjawait07:02
sesjadownloading package information07:04
sesjawhere is the information about packages available?07:06
nixternalwhat information are you interested in?07:06
nixternalfrom the cammand line, you can always type      apt-cache show packagename07:07
nixternalthat will provide you with some info07:07
sesjanext turkish hackers trick ? ;-)07:07
nixternalhaha, I wish that site would come back up though, they have great gaming tutorials on there for Ubuntu07:08
sesjaW: Unable to locate package packagename07:09
sesjaE: No packages found07:09
sesjaaha07:09
sesjai should put the name of package right?07:09
nixternalwell replace package name with the name of the application you are looking for07:09
nixternalI am sorry07:09
sesjai want list of all of them07:09
nixternalyes, you are correct07:09
sesjanot at all07:09
sesjai want to know what is there07:10
sesja1 in system07:10
sesja2 on cdrom07:10
sesja3 maybe on net07:10
sesjathis is information i am looking for07:10
nixternalahh, good question07:10
sesjais there an answer?07:10
sesjalist of packages available07:11
sesjathere was something like that in mandrake07:12
nixternalfor that you might get a better answer in #ubuntu or the like07:13
nixternalthere is always http://packages.ubuntu.com07:13
nixternalbut nothing tells you if it is on the cdrom or not07:13
nixternalit will either be in main, universe, multivers, or restricted07:13
sesjaSTRANGE07:13
sesjai can't even have the information what package could be installed from CD ROM?07:15
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sesjauniverse07:17
sesjaI thought u were kidding07:17
sesjai have intel pentium which architecture is it?07:18
sesjaamd no07:18
sesjai386 or power pc?07:19
sesjai386 i guess07:23
sesjalet us try07:23
LaserJocki38607:25
LaserJockppc is for macs07:25
sesjathx07:25
sesjaSame version is available in a software channel07:26
sesjaYou are recommended to install the software from the channel instead.07:26
sesjawhat does it mean?07:26
sesjai tried to install new package and run it07:26
sesjaand that is what i got07:27
sesjawhat is software channel?07:27
sesjawow I saw the ? mark in menu :-)07:28
LaserJocka software channel is a different component of the Ubuntu repositories07:38
LaserJocklike Main and Universe07:38
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sesjaApplication->Add Remove08:05
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sesjawhere can I find software dedicated to Ubuntu?09:47
stgraberonce you have a activated all repositories (software sources), launch synaptic, there will be a lot of software you can install09:48
sesjadownloading packace information09:49
sesjathx09:49
stgraberall Ubuntu packages will be there, you can also add some customs sources to have more packages09:49
stgrabergtg09:49
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sesjahow can I run program (package)10:35
sesjaI don't know where it is10:35
sesjacan I check path for package (executable) ?10:35
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sesjaok i got it10:55
bimberisesja: gui programs should be added to the menu.  Otherwise you can do 'dpkg -L <package> | grep bin' to get an idea of what executable(s) are installed by the package11:08
sesjawhat compilators are there built in system?11:34
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sesjawhat is ICT?11:42
mpytaszinformation and communication technology11:42
sesjampytasz: jeste z Polski?11:44
mpytasztak wyszo, ale to chyba anglojzyczny kana...11:44
sesjana to wyglda11:45
sesjawhat is thin-client then?11:47
sesjamisterious language11:47
mpytasz:) a client with limited abilities of data processing11:48
mpytaszsesja, RU translating some database rejated stuff?11:48
mpytaszrelated11:48
sesjano just reading edubuntu cookbook11:49
mpytaszah, i see11:49
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sesjahow can I have access to data of windows (ntfs partition) from Ubuntu12:00
sesjais it possible?12:00
mpytaszdon't know about ubuntu, I'm using gentoo, usually uoy can just mount them, the best way is through fuse and ntfs3g12:07
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bimberi!ntfs12:12
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse12:12
bimberisesja: ^^^^12:12
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sesjabimberi: what?12:46
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sesjawhy this stabile system hangs sometimes?12:49
sesjawhy oh why oh why oh why12:50
sesjatell me why oh why12:50
sesjafuck12:51
sesjai missed last session12:51
sesjawhat was the progs to access windows partition?12:52
sesjawere12:52
sesjaGenerate Fractals - Xaos is a fractal generator with a whole host of extra features for teaching pupils about fractal patterns.12:54
sesjafrom12:54
sesjahttp://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu12:54
sesjawhere is the prog12:54
sesjai love edubuntu12:56
sesjawhat extension have executables?01:00
sesjado01:00
sesjaoh yeah01:03
sesjaXaoS01:11
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rockprincesshowdy friends!04:38
rockprincesscheck this out: http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html04:50
rockprincessor this: http://www.monzy.com/intro/drama_lyrics.html (even better)04:50
rockprincesshilarious!04:51
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Laser_awaycbx33: hi07:32
cbx33hey Laser_away07:32
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