[12:21] ijwyn, you mean chmod? chown? [12:21] yeah, chmod === lns [n=lns@209.129.236.134] has joined #edubuntu [12:27] Hey all [12:28] Does anyone have any information on getting flash/java plugins working on an edubuntu xeon (x86-64) server for x86 thin clients? [12:29] Am I missing something easy or do i have to jump through hoops to get it to work under 64-bit? [12:30] hmm, I'd check the Ubuntu forums [12:31] becuase I think you can get a 32bit Firefox that flash works in [12:31] Yeah I read a bit about that [12:31] you have to use some sort of wrapper [12:32] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&highlight=java+firefox+64 [12:35] actually this might be a (really hairy) solution: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava [12:41] ok thanks for the help guys, I think we've more or less figured things out :-) [12:41] I'm outta here === ijwyn [i=corwin@178.13.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #edubuntu [] === pauljw [n=paul@pool102.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814? [12:46] where's ubugtu? [12:46] oh mh [12:46] wrong channel [12:46] sorry :) === cliebow [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] mouse action is miserable in ppc..any way to speed er up === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=Julius@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:06] fixed itself on update !! === sesja [n=ubuntu@nat.trans.net.pl] has joined #edubuntu [04:46] hello [04:48] anybody there [04:48] ? [04:48] somebody I'm sure [04:51] sesja: what's up? [04:51] i am going to do something [04:52] to get know system [04:53] what are the goals of open source systems? [04:53] :-) [04:53] ? [04:54] emotion mark? [04:54] well, that's a very general question [04:54] many people have many different goals with open source softare [04:54] generally it's about freedom === moquist [n=moquist@pool-70-20-57-230.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:55] oh if it is true i like it at once [04:55] but [04:55] but? [04:56] i would like to know how can I use effectively the system [04:56] where should i start? [04:56] well, you can start by installing Edubuntu :-) [04:58] then what? [04:58] start playing around [04:58] you're free to pretty much do whatever you want [04:58] Edubuntu has access to lots and lots of open source software [04:59] sounds like advertisement [04:59] hm? [04:59] how do you mean? [04:59] you know [04:59] there is windows [04:59] and other distributions of open source [04:59] why edubuntu [05:00] oh [05:00] well, Edubuntu is primarily designed for kids and schools [05:00] Ubuntu (the parent project of Edubuntu) is more general [05:01] are u kid or student? [05:01] well, I'm a PhD student [05:01] 25 years old [05:01] oh [05:02] i don't know what PhD means [05:02] Doctorate of Philosophy [05:02] wow !! [05:02] the highest level of university traning in the US [05:02] that's cool [05:03] you are great [05:03] heh [05:03] i think [05:03] not exactly [05:03] I've just been in school a long time [05:04] so [05:04] you are philosophy student [05:04] not exactly [05:04] a PhD is a general term [05:04] from back in the day when philosophy meant more than what it means now [05:05] I'm a Physical Chemistry student [05:05] :-) [05:06] so you learn about Everything ? [05:06] heh, I wish I could [05:06] so do I [05:07] is using Edubuntu part of your philosophy? [05:07] how do you mean? [05:07] when you said about freedom I thought about some deeper meaning [05:08] ah [05:08] well, I think I'm still working on it === moquist [n=moquist@pool-70-20-57-230.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:09] some people certainly apply the freedom philosophy outside of software [05:09] I do work with a group of scientists working on "open source" science [05:10] i would like to do so [05:10] and liking is all I have [05:10] you might be interested in http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy [05:12] it says about freedom electronically at least [05:13] yes [05:14] i tried to work on mandrake and had great problem to install any software not included in packages [05:14] ah [05:15] what do u think? [05:15] that can happen [05:15] Ubuntu has several tools to avoid that [05:16] you talk about Ubuntu but we are on Edubuntu channel [05:16] they are essentially the same [05:16] Edubuntu is just a educational variant of Ubuntu [05:17] does it have the same possibilities? [05:17] it has access to the same software repositories [05:17] is it full answer? [05:18] yes, it has the same possibilities [05:18] thank u [05:18] :-) [05:18] can I turn off this graphical marks? [05:18] these [05:19] do u use them> [05:19] ? [05:19] ok [05:20] freedom software [05:20] which graphical marks? [05:20] :-) [05:20] that one [05:20] oh, yes. I use them a fair amount [05:22] I think Edubuntu is quite fast [05:22] is that so? [05:23] many questions [05:24] hmm [05:24] it kind of depends on what you are comparing the speed to [05:25] I find it prety fast [05:25] *pretty [05:26] :-) [05:26] how many questions left? [05:27] heh [05:27] are u kind of scientist? [05:27] yes [05:28] I work with lasers [05:28] really? [05:28] these in CD ROMS? [05:28] hehe, no [05:28] jedi knights? [05:28] my research doesn't have anything to do with computers [05:29] so this is kind of "hobby" ? [05:29] we investigate molecules with the lasers [05:29] wow [05:29] u crash them [05:29] ? [05:29] no [05:29] kind of [05:29] uhm [05:29] we shoot them with the laser and watch how the respond [05:29] poor molecules [05:30] hehe [05:31] but yeah, Ubuntu/Edubuntu are kind of a big hobby [05:31] ok [05:31] what do use them for? [05:32] Ubuntu? [05:32] yes [05:32] I run it on my computers [05:32] and I help maintain the software so other people can benefit [05:32] maintain? [05:33] do you keep it? make it accessible ? [05:34] or work on projects? [05:34] well, Ubuntu is made up of thousands of different pieces of software [05:34] from thousands of different software authors [05:35] and we have to make sure it all works together and is as bug free as we can make it [05:35] i understand [05:36] how did u get the knowledge about computers? [05:36] not in school as i see [05:36] no [05:36] just using it [05:36] and reading [05:36] and eventually by just hleping out [05:36] *helping [05:37] helping learns teacher? [05:37] other helping [05:37] well, mostly helping maintain packages [05:37] and writing documentation [05:37] wow [05:37] and teaching people how to do that [05:37] and writing some software [05:37] stuff like that [05:37] :-) [05:38] I just help where I can [05:38] like gaim? [05:38] ;-) [05:38] I haven't worked on gaim, yet [05:38] you should [05:38] there is one option missing [05:39] have always been using linux system? [05:39] you [05:39] no [05:39] I've been using it for about 5 years [05:40] what was before? [05:40] BigBang [05:41] what was before what? [05:41] I don't know if I should ask this question [05:41] did u use windows? [05:42] oh sure [05:42] still use it sometimes [05:42] although I use OS X a lot more [05:42] as I have an iMac at work [05:43] what systems have you installed on your machine? [05:43] i have windows xp media center [05:44] running edubuntu live cd [05:44] i like linux systems more [05:44] well, at home my machines dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu [05:44] uhm [05:45] at work just Ubuntu and OS X [05:45] i thing it is good solution [05:45] I do too [05:46] i would like to install EduBuntu could help me with that? [05:46] you [05:46] or send me where can I learn about that [05:47] i am talking about dual-boot [05:48] on the same hard drive? or do you have a second hard drive? [05:48] should I have second? [05:48] it's easier [05:48] I know [05:48] the problem is you need to resize the Windows partition to allow room for Edubuntu [05:48] I know that too [05:49] what i don't know is: [05:50] is it safe to repartition on hard drive with system on it [05:50] is it good to have 2 systems on one hard drive [05:50] and [05:50] how much space should I reserve for Edubuntu [05:50] :-) [05:51] send me to google if u wish [05:51] well, I use Partition Magic for Windows to make the space [05:52] I used it and thing it's the best [05:52] and I'd make at least 10GB of space to Edubuntu if you have space [05:52] i have [05:52] how much free space do you have on there now? [05:52] i waited for this questio [05:52] n [05:55] i think there is about 180 GB [05:55] can I check it in Edubuntu? [05:55] or where can I check it [05:56] I don't know basic information about my equipment [05:56] until it is necessary [05:57] you probably can check it in Ubuntu [05:57] if you go System->Administration->Partition Editor (or something like that) [06:00] here is said I have 153.38 GiB [06:00] i thought there is only "round" number [06:00] it says that is fre space? [06:00] *free [06:00] or total space [06:01] total [06:01] unused 136 GiB [06:01] :-) [06:01] well, 180GB doesn't really mean 180GB [06:02] is it connected with this... [06:02] multiplier? [06:02] well, I'd give Edubuntu whatever you what realy [06:03] if you plan on putting a lot of stuff on there (music, files, etc.) then you might want to do 20+GB [06:03] the minimum is around 2GB [06:03] but you'll definately want some space to play around [06:03] :-) [06:04] can I change the size of partition after intallation? [06:04] installing [06:04] can I put some more space for Ubuntu if i need to after installing? [06:05] hmm, well I wouldn't recommend it [06:05] but it's possible [06:05] ok [06:05] why not? [06:05] it would involve resizing partitions with stuff on them [06:05] which is always a tad risky [06:05] i thought so [06:05] so you want to do it as little as possible [06:06] no it is not true [06:06] resizing the Windows partition probably wouldn't be too bad [06:06] i thought to divide hard drive in two [06:06] that' be more than enough [06:06] so [06:06] how much is enough? [06:06] if you divid it in half [06:07] you'd have lots room [06:07] it's always to have more :-) [06:07] always good [06:08] remember that when I add I deduct too [06:08] in this case [06:08] that's why i ask [06:09] am asking [06:10] is there partition magic for linux? [06:10] i know that it is commercial program in windows [06:10] and I can't get it lately [06:11] or GNOME resiser would do? [06:12] if I am tiring to much just say [06:12] well, the installer has a partitioner [06:13] it is rare to hear answer other than RTFM when talking about linux systems [06:13] installer? [06:13] the Ubuntu [06:13] installer [06:13] Edubuntu [06:13] yeah [06:13] well [06:13] it will destroy my Windows [06:13] or not? [06:13] that wouldn't be good [06:13] well, it *could* [06:14] that's why we recommend you backup [06:14] backup? [06:14] but the Desktop installer should be able to resize [06:14] should I go paranoid [06:14] backup important stuff from your Windows install [06:14] hehe [06:14] ok [06:14] well, we have to cover ourselves [06:15] IMPORTANT STUFF that won't be much [06:15] we can't tell you it's fine if there is a chance it could have problems [06:16] I can only tell that when I used Partition Magic it worked well [06:16] yeah, that's what I used [06:16] is installer partitioning as good as it? [06:16] well, that's hard to say [06:17] I've not had problems with either [06:17] but I'd personally trust Partition Magic more [06:17] ok [06:17] hmm [06:18] I have great problems with decisions [06:18] :-) [06:18] well, I'd recommend backing up things that you want back *if* Windows happened to get killed [06:18] and then play around [06:19] I like the expression [06:19] play around [06:20] where should I look for to get know what can I do using the system [06:21] well, it's sort of hard to say [06:21] aGain [06:21] look for software for things that you are interested in [06:21] ok [06:22] like I look for science software [06:22] are there any *start* places? [06:22] for software for example [06:22] well, get it installed, check out the programs that are installed [06:22] uhm [06:23] then go to "Add/Remove Applications" [06:23] and look for some interesting stuff [06:23] step by step :-) [06:24] have I to install it? [06:24] ?? [06:24] no [06:24] it's in the menu [06:26] i remember that there was also choice how much memory to give for swap and others [06:26] how to define it? [06:27] LaserJock: [06:28] is there no manual for correct installation ? [06:29] for lames [06:29] :-) [06:29] or you are the one? [06:30] sorry [06:31] well, it should be fairly straightforward [06:31] how much RAM do you have? [06:32] you can have it automatically set up the partitions, by the way [06:32] aha [06:32] it is good [06:33] 1 G i thing [06:33] *k [06:33] where can I check all information about my computer [06:33] in Ubuntu [06:34] I have enough RAM to run LIVE CD that is sure [06:34] wait [06:34] maybe in filesystem? [06:36] no [06:36] you know I am the kid who get computer from mummy and I don't know nothing about it [06:37] :-) [06:37] i think 512 or 1 G [06:38] are you working now on something? [06:38] sorry [06:39] for what? [06:39] I think 512MB of RAM would be fine [06:39] I was away for a while [06:39] there is enough [06:39] no problem [06:40] is LaserJock your hacking nick? ;-) [06:42] hmm [06:42] i tried to listen to internet radio [06:42] it doesn't work here [06:43] I guess it's my hacking nick [06:43] it's what I go by on IRC and I use it a fair amount [06:44] why can't linux use windows applications ? [06:44] or *specifications* ? [06:44] 2 totally different OS's (kernels) for one [06:45] you can run some Windows apps with Wine though [06:45] I thing it is not very good idea [06:45] what's that? [06:45] Wine [06:45] it is emulator [06:46] depends on if you are talking drinking wine or the win32 app wrapper [06:46] oh [06:46] that was funny [06:46] wine is not an emulator, that's at least what they want you to think [06:46] i ran wine and windows apps worked very bad or didn't worked at all [06:47] well, if you could all of those Windows app makers to start writing free software ports for Linux, then everyone will be happy. Until then the MS monopoly rides on :) [06:47] I have only messed with wine to play online poker. hehe [06:47] :-) [06:47] now they have Java clients, so I don't need Wine anymore [06:48] i tried to run Quake III Arena on mandrake [06:48] the result was horrible === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [06:49] are the others on the channel bots? [06:49] I run Q3A on my laptop with an integrated Intel graphics card, and w/o Wine [06:49] ooo [06:50] nixternal: is there linux version of it? [06:50] of Q [06:51] haha [06:51] :-) [06:51] sesja: I was actually going to link you to the page [06:51] but it seems it has been hacked by a turkish hacker [06:51] http://gaming.gwos.org/ [06:51] lol, they show you how to get it working [06:52] totem couldn't play fd0 [06:52] great link [06:52]