[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90954 in malone "Marking a bug as a duplicate of another causes subscribers to be subscribed to all duplicates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90954
[12:46] <LaserJock> oh, I noticed an interesting "thing" about LP bugmail, for malone and soyuz at least eh X-Launchpad-Bugs: has product=malone ,etc.
[12:47] <LaserJock> but for bazaar it's product=launchpad-bazaar
[12:47] <LaserJock> is that worth filing a bug report over?
[12:47] <ddaa> ?
[12:48] <ddaa> what's wrong with that?
[12:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: launchpad-bazaar is the name of the product... That's how it should be.
[12:48] <ddaa> launchpad-bazaar is the name of the product for "bazaar integration in launchpad"
[12:48] <LaserJock> all the other components are product=<component>
[12:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: No, they're product=<product-name>
[12:48] <ddaa> bazaar is already used by something else
[12:49] <LaserJock> ok, I wondered if something weird like that was going on
[12:49] <ddaa> you're both right, launchpad-bazaar does not follow the naming convention of other launchpad applications
[12:49] <ddaa> actually, I think all the other ones are wrong :)
[12:49] <LaserJock> I was just setting up procmail to filter by component and noticed it
[12:49] <ddaa> they should be launcphad-malone, launchpad-rosetta, launchpad-blueprints, etc :)
[12:49] <Fujitsu> ddaa: Probably. They are polluting the namespace.
[12:50] <LaserJock> ddaa: yeah, I assued they should be launchpad-*
[12:50] <LaserJock> *assumed
[12:50] <ddaa> well, but if we change those, we're going to break the muscle memory of everybody
[12:50] <ddaa> so it's going to stay that way until there's an actual motivation for the change
[12:51] <ddaa> But hey, you can file a bug about those
[12:51] <ddaa> I'd agree it's a bug :)
[12:52] <LaserJock> heh, I'd be ever so helpful
[12:53] <ddaa> actually...
[12:53] <ddaa> they should be launchpad-bugs, launchpad-translations, launchpad-answers, etc.
[12:53] <LaserJock> really?
[12:54] <ddaa> that's the official names of the applications
[12:54] <Fujitsu> ddaa: That's right... The old names are gone except for the product names, aren't they?
[12:54] <ddaa> malone, rosetta etc. are just codenames
[12:54] <LaserJock> oh
[12:54] <ddaa> actually, they are still all over the codebase, but they should not be so user-visible
[12:55] <ddaa> blame Mark for changing his mind multiple times about the branding of launchpad applications
[12:56] <LaserJock> ddaa: would I file that against launchpad-project?
[12:56] <ddaa> mh
[12:56] <LaserJock> or individually against the application
[12:56] <ddaa> I think you need to file bugs against an application
[12:56] <ddaa> but I believe there is a generic "launchpad" product
[12:56] <ddaa> that would be the right place
[12:56] <LaserJock> there's 2008 bug for launchpad-project
[12:57] <LaserJock> so I'm guessing you can file against that
[12:57] <ddaa> nope
[12:57] <ddaa> projects are just grouping products
[12:57] <ddaa> we'll rename them "project groups" or something like that, soon
[12:58] <ddaa> they give synthetic views of multiple products, but they do not actually own anything
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Speaking of that... In beta, /products mentions stuff about projects, when it means products.
[12:58] <LaserJock> ohh, https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs is a list of ? all the bugs?
[12:58] <ddaa> Fujitsu: right, we're getting away of the product terminology
[12:59] <ddaa> everything is becoming is becoming a project
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[12:59] <ddaa> LaserJock: all the bugs filed on projects that are part of launchpad-project
[12:59] <ddaa> not all the bugs ever
[01:00] <LaserJock> so it'll be "project groups" and "projects" rather then "projects" and "products"?
[01:00] <jkakar> LaserJock: Yup.
[01:01] <LaserJock> that is a bit better, although the transition might be a bit confusing
[01:07] <Kmos> Restricted Launchpad test site
[01:07] <Kmos> This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers team only.
[01:07] <Kmos> You may use the main Launchpad site instead.
[01:07] <Kmos> You can log out.
[01:07] <Kmos> log out link is not working..
[01:09] <ddaa> o/` Welcome to the Hotel California o/`
[01:10] <ddaa> Kmos: everybody is on week-end, you should file a bug
[01:11] <ddaa> https://beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[01:11] <Kmos> i don't have access
[01:11] <Kmos> not admin or member of launchpad beta
[01:11] <ddaa> ?
[01:11] <ddaa> Then you logged out, I guess...
[01:12] <ddaa> the thing is, once you're logged out
[01:12] <ddaa> you cannot see the beta site anymore
[01:12] <ddaa> so it may well look like it's not working
[01:12] <Kmos> I tried to enter with my login/pass, but i'm not a admin or member of beta
[01:12] <Kmos> that's the problem
[01:12] <ddaa> hu?
[01:12] <Kmos> so i tried log out
[01:12] <ddaa> if you are not a member of the beta team
[01:13] <ddaa> just ignore the beta site
[01:13] <LaserJock> Kmos: did you try the URL without the beta. in it?
[01:13] <Kmos> LaserJock: nop
[01:13] <Kmos> ddaa: lol..
[01:13] <ddaa> there's actually a bug saying that non-beta users should be redirected to the production site
[01:14] <ddaa> there's some trickiness involved, but it will be fixed
[01:14] <Kmos> =)
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91013 in launchpad "Launchpad product names aren't consistent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91013
[02:11] <py1hon_> so, how does a mirror get to be official?
[02:31] <LaserJock> any LP dev around?
[02:49] <Kmos> cya
[02:49] <Kmos> py1hon_: check ubuntu.com
[03:32] <LaserJock> mpt: you around?
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91035 in launchpad "Show recent visitors on the user's home page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91035
[06:57] <mpt> LaserJock, back temporarily
[07:41] <Fujitsu> mpt: LP seems to be working less than is normal (ie. like last night... not at all)
[07:43] <mpt> Fujitsu, yeah, I'm having similar problems
[07:43] <mpt> stub?
[07:44] <Fujitsu> Production OperationalErrors, beta OOPSes. Identical to last night... What fun.
[07:48] <Fujitsu> mpt: Is he likely to be around on a weekend?
[07:48] <mpt> He's not marked as away, but even so, perhaps not
[07:48] <Fujitsu> Yay, no LP for ages.
[07:48] <stub> on it
[07:49] <Fujitsu> Ah, thanks stub.
[07:49] <mpt> yay for stub
[07:53] <Fujitsu> Thanks stub, looking better now.
[07:55] <stub> PG crash again an launchpad hasn't been taught to reconnect automatcally yet
[07:56] <Fujitsu> Again? That sounds really encouraging.
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91089 in rosetta "Email address can be viewed by users who are not logged in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91089
[12:52] <AlinuxOS> hello dear people!
[12:52] <AlinuxOS> is there a possibility to separate GNOME from KDE and XFCE on this site https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/ka ?
[01:41] <sabdfl> AlinuxOS: not currently, no
[01:41] <sabdfl> to LP, all those packages are the same, part of "ubuntu"
[01:42] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, yes but some users of Georgian community asked me to show them Kubuntu translations.
[01:43] <AlinuxOS> so I don't know howto filter ;)
[01:43] <sabdfl> fraid the only way is to know which packages belong where....
[01:43] <phanatic> AlinuxOS: k* ;)
[01:44] <AlinuxOS> phanatic, yes but not everything.
[01:45] <phanatic> AlinuxOS: i know, i was just joking :)
[01:45] <AlinuxOS> phanatic, ;)
[01:49] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, http://www.dlf.ge/ this foundation, originally used their own Linux distributions for Georgian schools in Tbilisi (capital of Rep.Georgia), today one of their member informed me that they installed thousands of Kubuntu/Dapper, and they decided to migrate to Kubuntu/Dapper completely. Congrats ;)
[01:50] <sabdfl> wow! hope that saves them a lot of work!
[01:53] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, exactly...the reason are Open Source,Low Cost,and the only Distribution with Georgian support.
[01:54] <sabdfl> i wish we maintained stats of translation over time
[01:54] <sabdfl> it would be interesting to see how a decision like that accelerates the translation of the distro into Georgian
[01:56] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, we hope.
[01:57] <Kmos> kiko: boas :)
[01:57] <AlinuxOS> sadly, there is almost no one for Gnome translation...and this period I have less time for translating GNOME.
[01:59] <sabdfl> that will come over time, i would think
[02:00] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, I hope.
[02:01] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, there is circa 3000 PCs with Dapper ;) 
[02:03] <AlinuxOS> and in this year there will be 10 000 Desktops, almost in every Georgian school.
[02:04] <sabdfl> AlinuxOS: would you mention this to mrevell? he may want to do a story on it
[02:05] <AlinuxOS> mrevell ?
[02:07] <Kmos> bug 90621
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90621 in firefox "Firefox crashed.." [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90621 - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[02:08] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, ok.
[02:15] <AlinuxOS> sabdfl, the problem is continuous upgrade. Should them use Dapper for this year installations ? What do you think ? or maybe there will be another LTS Ubuntu version ?
[02:21] <pochu> AlinuxOS: there will be another LTS, but probably Feisty+2 (or more)
[02:22] <pochu> AlinuxOS: neither Feisty nor Feisty+1 will be LTS
[02:22] <AlinuxOS> ah
[02:23] <AlinuxOS> pochu, Feisty+1 ? or Feisty+2 ?
[02:23] <pochu> AlinuxOS: Feisty+1 will not be LTS, Feisty+2 may be, but also may not be :)
[02:23] <pochu> I don't know :)
[02:24] <pochu> AlinuxOS: so for the next LTS, they should wait, at least, one year (maybe more)
[02:24] <AlinuxOS> ah
[02:24] <AlinuxOS> :D
[02:24] <AlinuxOS> pochu, thank you :D
[02:24] <pochu> np :)
[04:01] <sabdfl> feisty+2 is a pretty good bet
[06:25] <Kmos> Proxy Error
[06:25] <Kmos> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[06:25] <Kmos> The proxy server could not handle the request POST /ubuntu/+source/bittornado/+bug/91162/+addcomment.
[06:25] <Kmos> Reason: Error reading from remote server
[06:25] <Kmos> trying to upload a crash report
[06:25] <Kmos> shit
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91201 in launchpad "bounty app still being developped?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91201
[07:33] <kalikiana> I got a OOPS-434B1695 just now. :/
[07:33] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/434B1695
[07:39] <SteveA> kalikiana: what were you doing at the time?
[07:40] <kalikiana> SteveA, I wanted to view the German translations for Pinot. After a reload it worked.
[07:43] <SteveA> ok.  the oops report will be collected into our daily report of OOPSes
[07:44] <SteveA> so, it'll get looked into
[07:47] <kalikiana_> Sounds good. Such bugs are not fatal but very annoying.
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91212 in launchpad "people subscribed to bugs that are duplicates shouldn't receive notifications of new duplicates to the master bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91212
[08:54] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/k3b/+pots/k3bsetup/pt/+translate
[08:54] <Kmos> Timeout error
[08:54] <Kmos> error ID OOPS-434A1812
[08:54] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/434A1812
[09:35] <SteveA> Kmos: do you see the error still?  or was it transient?
[09:44] <Kmos> SteveA: it desappear i think
[09:45] <Kmos> don't show again
[09:46] <Kmos> bbl