| imbrandon | Toadstool, np | 12:14 |
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| === Fujitsu curses LP. | ||
| Fujitsu | I didn't want to wait 20 minutes after filing a bug via email... Only to be told I'd left the leading / off the affects line. | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: I attached the debdiff to the bug report | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6722675/python-imaging_1.1.5-10ubuntu1.debdiff | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: yeah, what's up? | 12:19 |
| _MMA_ | I have a newbie. | 12:19 |
| _MMA_ | jussi01 here is going to be working with us. | 12:19 |
| jussi01 | Hi | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | hi jussi01 | 12:19 |
| _MMA_ | Im getting him up with all the links he'll need. | 12:19 |
| _MMA_ | Im talking with him about the importance of MOTU and working with you guys. | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I have 3 research related weekly meetings | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: thanks :-) | 12:20 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_, cool | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ahh | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | man anyone know christer edwards handle on irc ? | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | christer or something like that :-) | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | he is starting yet another Debian package of the day instead of helping the existing one | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I thought that was odd | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | especially since the first one was a bit contraversial | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | i left a comment on his blag, but i thought i would twap him on irc too | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | blog* | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | swag+blog== blag | 12:23 |
| crimsun | python-imaging_1.1.5-10ubuntu1_source.changes: done. | 12:23 |
| crimsun | Successfully uploaded packages. | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: thank you ever so much | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | man there is a site at work selling eBooks for $20 bux a pop and makes 40k a month, i need to so do that | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | eBook about how to get rich, makin him rich | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | hi | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 12:25 |
| === ajmitch wonders about some of the mail on the motu list | ||
| ajmitch | like the one complaining about backports, with no useful suggestions | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | well obviously Universe is too high of quality for some | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | and utter crap for others :-) | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | heh | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | I have a question about the bug syntax in changelogs, is it supposed to be (Closes LP: #...) or (LP: #...) or ? | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | the wiki page isn't quite clear for me | 12:29 |
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| ajmitch | and the kde4 debate still rages on | 12:30 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: it needs only "LP: #number" | 12:30 |
| crimsun | you can use "Closes: LP: #number" or "(Closes LP: #number)" or whatever as long as the minimum constraint is met | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | k | 12:31 |
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| LaserJock | but it *has* to have the LP:, right? I want to do Closes: LP #number but I'm thinking that's wrong | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | check it | 12:32 |
| crimsun | yes, you need "LP: #" | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | alright, just so I'm clear | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | # For Ubuntu/Launchpad bugs | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | while ($f{'Changes'} =~ /lp:\s+\#\d+(?:,\s*\#\d+)*/ig) { | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | push(@launchpad_closes, $& =~ /\#?\s?(\d+)/g); | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | } | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | so yeah.. :) | 12:34 |
| chillywilly | hi | 12:35 |
| chillywilly | perl?!? | 12:35 |
| Fujitsu | It doesn't actually do anything on LP yet, however. | 12:35 |
| chillywilly | egads! | 12:35 |
| crimsun | chillywilly: since it's part of dpkg-dev, yes | 12:36 |
| chillywilly | anyone know if there's a core set of upstart scripts written to bring up the base system? | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:37 |
| chillywilly | where would I find those? | 12:37 |
| greff | Is there a way to create standard looking init scripts? | 12:37 |
| greff | It seems as thought everything in /etc/init.d/ is somewhat standard. I want to be able to create something that looks about the same. Catch my drift? | 12:37 |
| chillywilly | oh great and powerful motus | 12:37 |
| crimsun | chillywilly: /etc/event.d/ | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | apt-cache search upstart | 12:37 |
| chillywilly | yea but I mean source-wise as I don't have the latest bleeding edge package installed | 12:37 |
| chillywilly | erm, ubuntu installed I mean | 12:37 |
| chillywilly | not package | 12:38 |
| crimsun | greff: yes, LSB-ify | 12:38 |
| crimsun | greff: essentially, modify the initscript, and add lsb-base (>= 3) as a Depends | 12:38 |
| crimsun | the conversion is pretty straightforward; took about thirty seconds for pulseaudio | 12:39 |
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| pirast | could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814? | 12:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90814 in asterisk "[UPLOAD] New Asterisk release 1.2.16" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90814 | 12:47 |
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| pirast | i am off now, goog night | 12:48 |
| pirast | good night | 12:48 |
| Fujitsu | Night, pirast. | 12:49 |
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| === ajmitch looks at the GoogleSoC2007 page & wonders what people are smoking for suggestions | ||
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: where is that? On the wiki? | 12:58 |
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| LaserJock | "LDAP out-of-the-box" that should be easy | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Can you please officially bless bug #91001. | 12:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91001 in bindgraph "[UVFe] bindgraph 2.0 -> 2.0a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91001 | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Can you take a look at the above too? | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: exactly | 01:00 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: not to mention that some of us have been working on that sort of thing | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: whaa?!? ;-P | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hard to believe, given the results | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | but technically there's some work done :) | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | oh nifty, "Remote accessibility" or "How can I open my box up to the entire world?" | 01:02 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Do I dare to say `Results? What results?' or would that be danerous? | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | *dangerous | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it would be | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | and I'll rescind that ACK on that UVF request now | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 01:04 |
| === ajmitch doesn't know why he bothers some days | ||
| Fujitsu | :-/ | 01:05 |
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| ajmitch | bye | 01:09 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: are you leaving us? :( | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, remote accessabilty can be good if done right | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | and secure ;) | 01:15 |
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| LaserJock | sure, I just have my doubts of it being done right or securely | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | i hear ya | 01:16 |
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| crimsun | Fujitsu: all yours. | 01:27 |
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| Fujitsu | Thanks ajmitch, crimsun. | 01:27 |
| crimsun | np | 01:27 |
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| pochu | happy hug day! | 01:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm i wonder how fast a spac qemu box is | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | if its faster than the ultra iii | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | or not | 02:02 |
| zul | whats a spac? | 02:02 |
| crimsun | it's like a sparc, but it only runs Vista. | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | its my version of a sparc | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:03 |
| zul | imbrandon: i doubt a qemu spac is faster than an ultra 3 | 02:03 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 02:10 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 02:11 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 02:11 |
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| tonyyarusso | hi bddebian imbrandon | 02:12 |
| bddebian | Heya tonyyarusso, how's it coming? | 02:12 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Can you please ack the 3 release tasks in bug #83508? | 02:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83508 in zabbix "Buffer overflow in ZABBIX before 1.1.5 has unknown impact and attack vectors related to "SNMP IP addresses."" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83508 | 02:12 |
| tonyyarusso | bddebian: Waiting for a new tarball... :( He's had trouble contacting the Linspire guys for some reason it seems. | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, done | 02:14 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks, imbrandon. | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | np | 02:14 |
| crimsun | I need to enable sudo's insults so I can differentiate between installs. | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 02:18 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: That's my idea! | 02:18 |
| crimsun | excellent. | 02:19 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 02:21 |
| Fujitsu | Hi sistpoty. | 02:21 |
| sistpoty | hi Fujitsu | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | hi sistpoty | 02:22 |
| sistpoty | hi LaserJock | 02:22 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock, Fujitsu: give me some hints about the application https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000021.html... I'm still so undecided | 02:23 |
| crimsun | I'm still waiting to hear back from him | 02:24 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: did you CC him? not quite sure if he's subscribed | 02:25 |
| Fujitsu | `Medibuntu'... Is that what I think it is, LaserJock? | 02:25 |
| sistpoty | (though I guess I could find out) | 02:25 |
| crimsun | sistpoty: I sent it to him and CCed MC | 02:25 |
| sistpoty | ah | 02:25 |
| crimsun | he's probably busy, so there's a grace period | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: Media Ubuntu | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: not Medical Ubuntu | 02:26 |
| === ajmitch is tempted to reject all applications unless they provide quality beer | ||
| LaserJock | lol | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Oh, good. | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: That's a great idea! | 02:26 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch++ | 02:26 |
| sistpoty | ;) | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty: I personally think he also needs more uploads (in addition to the beer). | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | this is why we have a 2 week period | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: if you want to call it that, I think it's a nicer version of Mint | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | hearing objections, gathering info | 02:27 |
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| Fujitsu | ajmitch: And drinking beer. | 02:27 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: unless we'd reach an early +3 or -3 | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | he's done a number of new packages | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: that goes without saying | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | but it seems like he hasn't done a ton of non-NEW stuff and hasn't been doing it for *that* long | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: heard anything from the sponsors? | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | how long has he been involved, and how involved has he been around here? | 02:28 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: only on the ml | 02:28 |
| greff | What does Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0) mean? | 02:28 |
| greff | I understand >=, but what does >> mean? | 02:28 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: not quite sure, but iirc he's been around for quite some time | 02:28 |
| crimsun | strictly greater than, greff | 02:28 |
| sistpoty | (so my brain tends to mix up these things) | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | sure, I remember him being around for awhile, but that doesn't say much | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | I've been around for awhile but I don't do anything | 02:29 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 02:29 |
| greff | crimsun: Hmm, that's useful how? Will > still allow dpkg -i packagename to work then? | 02:29 |
| crimsun | greff: err, I presume the strict versioning is purposeful | 02:29 |
| greff | crimsun: Hehe, where can I learn more about all of this? | 02:30 |
| crimsun | greff: if such is the case, it should be noted in the changelog | 02:30 |
| crimsun | greff: Debian Policy Manual and Debian New Maintainers' Guide | 02:30 |
| greff | crimsun: Thanks a bunch. | 02:30 |
| crimsun | np | 02:30 |
| === ajmitch looks for a willing victim | ||
| === LaserJock runs | ||
| === imbrandon hides | ||
| LaserJock | imbrandon: you can run but you can't hide ;-) | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:31 |
| tonyyarusso | ... what's ajmitch looking for a victim for? | 02:32 |
| crimsun | hey, we have a volunteer! | 02:32 |
| bddebian | Gah, Bug #23160 is for Hoary | 02:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 23160 in laptop-mode "Script fails with error" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23160 | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | fixing stuff | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: poor sucker | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | lol bddebian | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: is it fixed? :-) | 02:32 |
| bddebian | No but I'm not sure laptop-mode is even viable anymore | 02:33 |
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| greff | crimsun: Who me? | 02:33 |
| bddebian | Hasn't been updated since Hoary apparently | 02:33 |
| crimsun | bddebian: my take is that you would want to ping mjg59 about it, and if he approves, then apply it | 02:34 |
| crimsun | it should be fixed, certainly, but he may have other plans | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I'd hardly call https://beta.launchpad.net/~ajmitch/+packages doing nothing | 02:35 |
| crimsun | [unlikely, though, since it was demoted to universe releases ago] | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: all old | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | no it's not | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | is too | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | there's lots of Feisty stuff | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | yikes, https://beta.launchpad.net/~crimsun/+packages | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | look at all the Edgy stuff ^^ | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | nothing important | 02:36 |
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| === LaserJock crawls under a rock | ||
| sistpoty | ajmitch: your karma is much higher than mine... so either you really rock or I suck completely or both ;) | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | see, that's someone who does work | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: no, I just touched more bugs | 02:37 |
| bddebian | ajmitch has karma? | 02:37 |
| === bddebian ducks | ||
| ajmitch | see, bddebian knows I don't do anything :) | 02:37 |
| bddebian | Bah ;-P | 02:37 |
| === Fujitsu thanks the Debian Maintainer Field policy for almost causing an upload with a changelog entry by <william@localhost> | ||
| LaserJock | ajmitch has lots of karma | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: hehe, I've almost had a few of those as well | 02:38 |
| crimsun | (look at geser's :) | 02:38 |
| === ajmitch should just change DEBEMAIL to be ajmitch@d.o | ||
| tonyyarusso | Fujitsu: how's that happen? | 02:39 |
| === sistpoty wonders how geser escaped the karma eating ponies :P | ||
| LaserJock | bddebian: you have 4 times as much bug karma as I do so don't go telling me you are useless :p | 02:39 |
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| Fujitsu | tonyyarusso: dpkg-dev kills a package build if you have `ubuntu' anywhere in your DEBEMAIL. I've been doing SRUs and security updates, so I don't want to change the maintainer field, so I unset DEBEMAIL. | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Running dch without DEBEMAIL set uses some insane default. | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | insane? | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | william@localhost isn't exactly sane for a Debian upload. | 02:40 |
| sistpoty | I've once completely corrupted a changelog entry for not having DEBEMAIL set in a chroot... took me a while to figure what was going on there | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | <user>@<hostname> | 02:41 |
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| LaserJock | that's not exactly insane | 02:41 |
| crimsun | but I want "crimsun@ponies" </whine> | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | your computer isn't named ponies?!?! | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | what about crimsun@iheartponies ? | 02:42 |
| crimsun | some insipid admin gave me "FUN" instead. | 02:42 |
| crimsun | what kind of hostname is "FUN"?! | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: A fun one, of course. | 02:43 |
| === ajmitch should probably cheat now with karma | ||
| crimsun | rejecting beryl* bugs seems to help ;) | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | lol | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: How? | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Probably. | 02:44 |
| ajmitch | massfile unmet deps bugs | 02:44 |
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| ajmitch | just got a list of source packages with unmet deps | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 02:44 |
| dsas | any idea why pbuilder would fail as it can't find the package when apt-get update has been ran and the package exists? | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | It's about time to do that, ajmitch. | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | I'm wading through Launchpad bugs, I don't think that's really the "easy" way to get karma ;-) | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | pbuilder update also | 02:44 |
| crimsun | dsas: repo mismatch (is universe/multiverse enabled in pbuilder?) | 02:44 |
| === Fujitsu is wading through universe bugs. | ||
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: yes, thatnks for reminding me | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: anything else that I've neglected for you? | 02:45 |
| === Fujitsu runs away, quickly. | ||
| sistpoty | I guess we should enable the merge web tool for feisty +1... get karma via merge bugs :) | 02:46 |
| dsas | crimsun: ubuntu/multiverse is enabled by default now isn't it? or doesn't pbuilder care about that? | 02:46 |
| crimsun | dsas: no, pbuilder does not enable either | 02:46 |
| === ajmitch should just restrict himself to MC work | ||
| sistpoty | hehe | 02:47 |
| dsas | crimsun: ok, i imagine it's probably that then. | 02:47 |
| dsas | thanks! | 02:47 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I just move bugs around, I don't actually fix anything :-) | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: still | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | my karma is pathetic, onl 500 for bugs :( | 02:49 |
| crimsun | I think jdong just earned himself a black mark! | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | automatic F | 02:51 |
| bddebian | Holy cow has mine dropped, sheesh | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, hows that ? | 02:51 |
| === ajmitch nearly has negative karma | ||
| LaserJock | whatever | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | i do almost have negitive karma, only 2k | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:53 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: he was joking about uploading beryl ;) | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | yea thats one upload i wish i dident have on my /+packages | 02:55 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: We all make horrible, horrible mistakes. | 02:56 |
| crimsun | like, say, breaking the archive toolchain via an alsa-lib upload | 02:57 |
| crimsun | *whistles* | 02:57 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:57 |
| Fujitsu | How'd you do that, crimsun? | 02:57 |
| crimsun | wrong /lib32 path for 64-bit arches | 02:58 |
| crimsun | broke gcc, which proceeded to kill compiles on 64-bit arches | 02:58 |
| crimsun | "FUN" indeed! | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | impressive | 02:58 |
| === ajmitch tries to remember what horror stories he's done | ||
| sistpoty | nothing too serious here... however I got 2 uploads to -updates rejected :) | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | that's nothing | 03:00 |
| sistpoty | yep, but I still find it a little bit ironic :) | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | :0:> wc -l source-unmet-deps.txt | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | 64 source-unmet-deps.txt | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | seems awfully low number of source packages | 03:02 |
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| Fujitsu | ajmitch: That's about right, though I last checked a month or two ago. | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | oh well | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | 64 new bugs won't affect much | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | this was done on amd64, of course | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | 46 source-unmet-deps.txt | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | much less on i386 | 03:06 |
| sistpoty | btw.: anyone got a clue what the amd64 toolchain changes have been for which doko did mass-uploads? | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | no idea | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | unless there was some change done on the buildds | 03:11 |
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| sistpoty | ok, /me is off to bed now... gn8 everyone | 03:24 |
| crimsun | 'night. | 03:24 |
| Toadstool | re | 03:28 |
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| crimsun | cd /tmp | 03:50 |
| crimsun | gah | 03:50 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | hmm, we need a whole Kubuntu bug week? | 03:54 |
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| crimsun | I guess I should make that pbuilder/gdebi change | 04:17 |
| crimsun | since, well, waiting four hours for a vlc build doesn't particularly strike my fancy even if I do have a case of beer | 04:17 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: have you made that change on your build farm? | 04:20 |
| Toadstool | is it really worth it in terms of speed? 'cause I'm reluctant to clutter my chroot with x related packages... unless it only requires gdebi-core... | 04:20 |
| Toadstool | am I thinking aloud? :p | 04:20 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, the pbuilder thing ? | 04:21 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: yes | 04:21 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, no because it required a shitton of backports, wasent sure it was worth it | 04:22 |
| crimsun | k | 04:22 |
| imbrandon | and i realy dident wanna run the buildd's on feisty | 04:22 |
| crimsun | wussy | 04:22 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:22 |
| crimsun | nevermind the fact that my machines all run breezy *whistles* | 04:22 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | hmmm? | 04:24 |
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| LaserJock | oh, because you need gdebi from Feisty? | 04:25 |
| imbrandon | yea and it requires a bunch of other stuff | 04:25 |
| imbrandon | because its all versioned so tight | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | I guess I've just gotten used to running Feisty on everything :/ | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 04:27 |
| crimsun | if it weren't for quilt push -a and quilt new, I dunno what I'd do | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if it'd be worth setting up a repo on tiber for backporting MOTU stuff | 04:28 |
| crimsun | I already do that | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | and setting up various MOTU tools | 04:28 |
| crimsun | I pretty much login, pbuilder-release update, and build away | 04:29 |
| crimsun | log in, even | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | log in where? | 04:29 |
| crimsun | tiber. | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | tiber has builders too LaserJock | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | oh, you build on tiber? | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | I know | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | just x86 though | 04:30 |
| crimsun | I pretty much have to | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | I just didn't know anybody used them | 04:30 |
| crimsun | this machine is far too slow to be useful | 04:30 |
| crimsun | (this was before the advent of ubuntuwire, btw) | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | I honesty don't understand how you get all the stuff done you do crimsun | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: what do you use quilt for? | 04:31 |
| crimsun | it's an illusion. I have ponies do all the grunt work. | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | ah | 04:31 |
| crimsun | oh wait, I just gave away my sekrit | 04:31 |
| tonyyarusso | ubuntu?wire | 04:31 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: vlc's patchsys | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | oh | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | tonyyarusso, the community build network | 04:32 |
| tonyyarusso | ah, didn't know it had a name | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | tonyyarusso, well i guess it does now hehe all the hostnames are *.ubuntuwire.com ;) | 04:33 |
| tonyyarusso | right | 04:33 |
| crimsun | dpkg-source: error: file vlc_0.8.6.release.orig.tar.gz has size 647168 instead of expected 16866386 | 04:33 |
| crimsun | oooops. | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | nice | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: why would you still run breezy? | 04:38 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: things that break are known | 04:38 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:39 |
| crimsun | I fully except my next laptop to run feisty out of the box | 04:39 |
| crimsun | expect, too | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | I guess it's only us part-time hackers that run the latest | 04:39 |
| bddebian | :-)\ | 04:39 |
| tonyyarusso | what lappy crimsun ? | 04:39 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: I'd like an IBM/Lenovo, but I don't know atm. | 04:40 |
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: I have a T43p | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | mbp ftw | 04:41 |
| crimsun | I've seen Ubuntu run on a T43p ;) | 04:41 |
| tonyyarusso | Only things not ootb: winmodem (linuxant driver works), good 3D accel on ATI card (it kinda works for now) | 04:41 |
| crimsun | I think right about the release of 6.06, I gave an installfest presentation and thanked deity for the alt installer I had burned | 04:42 |
| crimsun | feisty's desktop installer is so far beyond that one | 04:42 |
| crimsun | (6.06's ubiquity, that is) | 04:42 |
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| LaserJock | do ['s mean something in a regex? | 05:31 |
| Toadstool | yup, [abc] means "either a, b or c" | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | doh, I know that | 05:35 |
| Toadstool | :) | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | I can't believe I did that :-) | 05:36 |
| Toadstool | er... is LP supposed to close bugs automagically when I put LP: #xxxx in a changelog? | 05:38 |
| poningru | zomg that would crazy | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so yet | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | but that's the plan | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | Toadstool: did you have one do that? | 05:38 |
| Toadstool | nope, just asking | 05:39 |
| Toadstool | I wish it did :) | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm using that for when it does work | 05:39 |
| Toadstool | yep, at least the Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed field is correctly set in my .changes so I guess I am not doing anything wrong :) | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | cool | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | I guess that part is working | 05:41 |
| Toadstool | woohoo! bugs count -= 3 | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 05:45 |
| Toadstool | I've done like 100 times more Ubuntu stuff in 1hour thant in 2 months... I need a beer :) | 05:45 |
| Toadstool | *than eve | 05:45 |
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| Toadstool | even | 05:46 |
| Toadstool | pff, I can't type | 05:46 |
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| LaserJock | hehe | 05:48 |
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| === Fujitsu wonders if there's any reason that an alternate, more searchable/flexible copy of the Ubuntu bug database couldn't be created by processing ubuntu-bugs archives. | ||
| Toadstool | uhuh :) | 07:02 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: other than being redundant, I can't think of any really | 07:03 |
| Fujitsu | Redundant? It would be properly searchable! | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | And wouldn't have to have an incredibly slow web interfac. | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | But it'd have to be read-only. | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | There goes that idea. | 07:04 |
| === Fujitsu crawls back into his hole. | ||
| Toadstool | of course it would be convenient to have some kind of interface with the database (like bts2ldap with the Debian BTS)... | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: well, it's not that bad of an idea | 07:05 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: thanks! | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: for what? | 07:07 |
| nixternal | heh, leaving that guy hanging for me to get caught up in | 07:08 |
| Toadstool | LaserJock: we don't need a reason to thank you, you're a MOTU deity :) | 07:08 |
| === Toadstool hides | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | lol | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | I really don't think so | 07:09 |
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| Fujitsu | Toadstool: XML-RPC is scheduled for post-1.0, so it's probably not more than a couple of years away. | 07:11 |
| Toadstool | haha | 07:11 |
| === Fujitsu would particularly like to be able to search for the absence of a tag at the moment. | ||
| Toadstool | it's been postponed like a million times right? :) | 07:12 |
| Toadstool | (xml-rpc) | 07:12 |
| Fujitsu | Soyuz 1.0 was scheduled for early last year, everything was meant to be 1.0 in early October last year. | 07:12 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 07:12 |
| Fujitsu | Well, I think they've always responded `later'. | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | They've been saying that for 2 years now. | 07:13 |
| Toadstool | true | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | 1.0 should be pretty soon, unless there are more delays | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | after 1.0 I"m told xml-rpc will be the/a big push | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: `pretty soon' is rather relative. | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, that sounds more promising. | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | well, I've heard within the month | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | Then we just have to write nice tools to work with it. | 07:15 |
| === Fujitsu is shocked. | ||
| Fujitsu | Really!? | 07:15 |
| Toadstool | that'd be awesome | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm not saying anything definite | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | beta is looking pretty nice. | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | but it sounds definately soonish | 07:16 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | I've been trying to get down what exactly we can expect for Feisty+1 | 07:16 |
| Fujitsu | Then they've just got another 2000 bugs to fix. | 07:16 |
| Toadstool | (uhuh, running out of beer) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu 7.10 "The Goofy Goose" Release? | 07:17 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: What's on the Feisty+1 list so far? | 07:17 |
| Fujitsu | nixternal: It might be `H[a-z] + h[a-z] +', you know... | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: 1.0 | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: perhaps PPA | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | not sure | 07:18 |
| Toadstool | PPA? | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | XML-RPC will get hopefully a lot of love | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | Personal Package Archives | 07:18 |
| Toadstool | oh | 07:18 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu 7.10 "The Hairy Hamster" | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | XML-RPC will make Malone almost production-standard, IMO. | 07:19 |
| Toadstool | am I the only one to think that XML-RPC should get higher priority than PPA? | 07:19 |
| Fujitsu | Toadstool: No. Definitely not. | 07:19 |
| Fujitsu | A lack of PPA is easy to workaround, whereas XML-RPC is practically impossible. | 07:21 |
| Toadstool | agreed | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | well, PPA will be used by the vast LP users | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | xml-rpc is only helpful for a minority | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | But XML-RPC is a whole lot more helpful to those people. XML-RPC provides something that simply cannot be done (without excessive screen-scraping and LP-overloading) now. PPA can be done right now. | 07:23 |
| Fujitsu | But anyway, I believe that PPA is pretty much finished. | 07:23 |
| Toadstool | which is good, devs will have more time to focus on more important things *evil grin* | 07:24 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, like the new UI, which is even slower than old one! Hooray! | 07:25 |
| poningru | is ntfs-config supposed to be in universe? | 07:25 |
| poningru | cause its not in edgy | 07:25 |
| Fujitsu | It's new in Feisty. | 07:26 |
| poningru | Fujitsu: are you talking to me? | 07:26 |
| Fujitsu | poningru: Yep. | 07:27 |
| poningru | Fujitsu: all the docs in help.ubuntu.com say install ntfs-config but that package isnt available in edgy | 07:27 |
| poningru | even though the docs say they should be | 07:27 |
| Fujitsu | I'm sure it's new in Feisty. | 07:30 |
| === Fujitsu checks | ||
| poningru | it is | 07:30 |
| Fujitsu | !info ntfs-config edgy | 07:30 |
| ubotu | Package ntfs-config does not exist in edgy | 07:30 |
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| imbrandon | re | 07:34 |
| imbrandon | hum if i did nfs /home and some scriptfoo and some apache magic i could probably make a motu only ppa :) | 07:36 |
| === imbrandon contemplates | ||
| imbrandon | if only there was more hours in the day | 07:36 |
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| LaserJock | hmm | 07:37 |
| Toadstool | imbrandon: when I wake up in the morning, my first thought is "if only there were more hours in the night"... I guess it's somehow related ;) | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | sleep is for the weak ;) | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | I ended up getting access to all the LP private bugs :/ | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | oops | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, thats what you get for becomming a LP bug contact ;) | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | apparently | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | I was supposed to just get aces to the non-private bugs | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | but apparently LP doesn't know that | 07:39 |
| Toadstool | imbrandon: I am definitely weak (and definitely drunk tonight too) | 07:39 |
| Fujitsu | Security Contact should have access to the private ones... Unless Launchpad Bugs is subscribed directly to them. | 07:40 |
| Fujitsu | GAH. | 07:40 |
| Fujitsu | LP has exploded! | 07:40 |
| Toadstool | what did you do?! :) | 07:40 |
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| Fujitsu | OperationalErrors! | 07:40 |
| Toadstool | ouch | 07:40 |
| Fujitsu | And it's the weekend too. | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | so now I've left the team until they figure it out | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | you left just bacause of that? it might have been intentional | 07:42 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:42 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: I'm not they'd like LaserJock having access to their code.... | 07:42 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, sure anyone can have access , as long as you sign a nda :) | 07:43 |
| === imbrandon has thought about it before , but my pythonfoo isnt as good as my phpfoo | ||
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:43 |
| Fujitsu | That's probably just a friendly-seeming front. | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | nah i know one or two non-employees that have the code | 07:43 |
| Fujitsu | I've left most of my PHP skills behind. I'm glad of it. | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | easy to do when your 16 , not using it for 16 years ;) | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I tried getting access to the LP wiki and was denied | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | it's pretty much the same thing | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 07:44 |
| Fujitsu | As I said... It's a risk they're unlikely to take, even with an NDA. | 07:45 |
| Toadstool | Fujitsu: I totally banned PHP from my own servers/machines/whatever :) | 07:45 |
| Fujitsu | Toadstool: I never allowed it on them :) | 07:45 |
| Toadstool | hehe | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | Toadstool, thats about as ignorant as the comment you made on your blog | 07:45 |
| === imbrandon stops | ||
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: I agree. It's not at all ignorant! | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | guys | 07:46 |
| === Fujitsu goes back to his cave to triage bugs. | ||
| imbrandon | why ? because you dont like it ? or do you have a valid reason hehe | 07:46 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: It's insecure. It's slow... It's not thread-safe... There are some horrible things written in it... The mish-mash of code and presentation is revolting... | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | thats all about the things that are written in it, nothing about the core its self | 07:49 |
| Toadstool | imbrandon: don't get me wrong about the KDE4 stuff. My blog post is just what I felt like with the little information the Kubuntu team provided on u-motu@. I am sorry if it looks offensive. Might be a language issue | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | the same can be said for perl,python, and just about any scripting lang | 07:49 |
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| Toadstool | next time I'll think a million times before posting something similar | 07:50 |
| Fujitsu | In Dapper: | 07:50 |
| Fujitsu | php5 5.1.2-1ubuntu3.6 | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | Toadstool, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you should have 1) objected when the spec was approved 2) replied in the medum it was presented in ( email ) even if you also bloged aobut it | 07:50 |
| Fujitsu | 6 security fixes (some of them being multiple vulnerabilities) in 10 months? That must be the most secure thing EVER! | 07:51 |
| === Fujitsu just tried to locate said spec... but LP is down. | ||
| imbrandon | 6 security fixes is minor imho, look at the linux kernel its self in that saem timeframe, and php runs on more systems | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, it was approved at UDS | 07:52 |
| Fujitsu | The last security update fixed 6 CVEs, most of which were code-execution flaws. | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | and? | 07:53 |
| Fujitsu | I've not seen such an impressive record of flaws in Python or Perl. | 07:54 |
| Toadstool | oh crap, yet another php sux0r never-ending discussion ;) | 07:54 |
| === Toadstool just kiddin' | ||
| imbrandon | perl had just as many when it was king of the web, and python isnt scruntinized as much because it isnt used as widely on the web | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | perl actualy had/has more tbh | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | without looking | 07:55 |
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| imbrandon | perl is probably THE most insecure web lang, it wasent ment to be used for web, it was adapted to it, like python is now | 07:55 |
| === imbrandon rembers the days of cgi-bin perl exploits | ||
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| Toadstool | good ol' days, eh? :) | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, are you going to cherry pick the security update for ktorrent for breezy/dapper/edgy ? | 08:09 |
| nixternal | I could if needed | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | looks like your the man if your up for it | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | if you need a sponsor when done feel free to poke me | 08:12 |
| nixternal | with a size 12 boot :) | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | lol | 08:13 |
| nixternal | I think I just heard arms to platter noises coming from my other box | 08:13 |
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| imbrandon | http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/music/jonobacon/jonobacon-reflections.ogg , needs to be the startup sound for my kubuntu boxen | 08:13 |
| nixternal | heh | 08:13 |
| Toadstool | :) | 08:15 |
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| Fujitsu | Bugs about initrd-tools can be swiftly killed, can't they? | 08:17 |
| crimsun | probably the same category as laptop-mode. They're still valid bugs but much lower priority than their replacements. | 08:18 |
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| Fujitsu | initrd doesn't work with modern kernels, so it can't be valid any more. | 08:19 |
| crimsun | well, it won't be valid for our default kernel(s), true, but we do have to consider that people might want to run 2.[24] | 08:20 |
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| Fujitsu | Do we have a standard tag for .desktop-addition bugs yet? | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | .desktop-addition? | 08:40 |
| Fujitsu | Yes... Bugs that just request the addition of a .desktop. | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | ohh | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | that would be a good one | 08:44 |
| Fujitsu | More useful when we can search for an absence of tags. | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | heh, I saw that LP bug | 08:45 |
| Fujitsu | As did I. | 08:46 |
| Fujitsu | I immediately subscribed. | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | man, and I went through all that trouble to set up my email for LP bugs | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | spent a whole day figuring that out | 08:47 |
| Fujitsu | I'd love to be able to search for something with tags like `!desktop !upgrade', and get some real, fixable bug listings. | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ever get the recipe for procmail ? | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | i seen the request after you were offline | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | but i have one | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: well, it took a combination of figuring out how to get the mail *to* procmail (I have cpanel on the server) and then gettting .procmail | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | but I got it in the end | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | I had some stupid regex | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | but I figured it out eventually | 08:50 |
| Fujitsu | I like bug #89199. Very pleasant. | 08:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89199 in mysql-admin "User admin & Restore both crash or lockup Mysql Admin." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89199 | 08:55 |
| Fujitsu | And it's a dupe too. | 08:55 |
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| nixternal | imbrandon: you still around? | 09:44 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: http://nixternal.com/pkg/ktorrent/edgy/ktorrent_edgy.debdiff | 09:45 |
| nixternal | there is the Edgy debdiff for KTorrent to fix the security issue | 09:45 |
| nixternal | I will do Dapper and Breezy tomorrow. I am gonna go crash | 09:46 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, cool, thanks, sleep well | 09:47 |
| nixternal | will try/do | 09:48 |
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Can you please work your core-dev magic on bug #42564? | 10:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42564 in trac "Upgrade to Trac 0.9.5 for dapper (security fixes)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42564 | 10:01 |
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| Fujitsu | Nafallo: When you're around... What do you think about disabling mp3lib in mplayer? I don't think there's any other solution at the moment. | 10:12 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: why? I enabled it because of a bugreport. It still doesn't work? | 10:13 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo: Haven't you seen the bug? (bug #85751) | 10:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85751 in mplayer "Distorted MP3 sound" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85751 | 10:24 |
| Nafallo | I have a mailbacklog from hell on most lists :-P | 10:24 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 10:24 |
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| Nafallo | Fujitsu: I could revert mp3lib and add mad again... | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo: I think we'll have to. | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, done ( sorry a bit slow atm, firefighting at work | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | few 2650's decided to die | 10:32 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: I don't want to rely entirely upon ffmpeg though :-) | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Thanks! No problem with the slowness :) | 10:33 |
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| Fujitsu | Nafallo: Better to have it actually working, though. | 10:33 |
| Nafallo | yea :-) | 10:33 |
| Fujitsu | Gah. | 10:33 |
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| Fujitsu | keescook: Your last two security updates to mplayer in Feisty should really have gone into bzr. | 10:34 |
| Nafallo | oh. the branch is outdated? | 10:35 |
| imbrandon | no more source packages spec failed miserably | 10:35 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | thanks for the hint :-P | 10:35 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo: If you're going to make another release, it'd be advisable to add XS-Vcs-Bzr (or whatever it is) | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: got any docs on that? :-) | 10:36 |
| imbrandon | personaly i stoped using bzr on lp for packages because it becomes out of date quicky if people dont use it ( most dont check unfortunately ) and 2) you cant delete branches | 10:36 |
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| Fujitsu | Nafallo: Just put something like `XS-Vcs-Bzr: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu' in debian/control. | 10:37 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: What would you do that for? | 10:38 |
| crimsun | pkgmaintainermangler: Error: debian/vlc-plugin-alsa/DEBIAN/control already contains an Original-Maintainer field; aborting | 10:38 |
| Nafallo | okidoki :-) | 10:38 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Branch deletion is being worked on at the moment (I saw people talking about it 12 hours ago). | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, nice | 10:38 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: There is also a junk product for putting useless branches on. | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | would have been good 6 months ago when i gave up on bzr in lp | 10:38 |
| crimsun | I think I just hit a pkgmaintainermangler bug | 10:39 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Probably. It's not exactly bug-free. | 10:39 |
| Fujitsu | It'd be nice if LP would eventually check for the existence of XS-Vcs-Bzr, and reject the upload if it hasn't been pushed. | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, possibly, i dont like it much at all anyhow, i think it should warn not error imho | 10:40 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: That's different... | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | ? | 10:40 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: That's the binary-mangler on the buildds, isn't it? | 10:40 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: You're complaining about the dpkg-dev change, are you not? | 10:41 |
| imbrandon | yea | 10:41 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: well, I can live with the dpkg-dev side, but every last build of vlc just FTBFS on pkgmaintainermangler | 10:41 |
| imbrandon | nice | 10:41 |
| crimsun | +Maintainer: MOTU Media Team <motumedia@tauware.de> | 10:42 |
| crimsun | +XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Sam Hocevar (Debian packages) <sam+deb@zoy.org> | 10:42 |
| crimsun | looks ok to me, nay? | 10:42 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Yep. | 10:42 |
| imbrandon | yea | 10:42 |
| crimsun | oh well, I'll bug pitti on Monday | 10:42 |
| Fujitsu | I can see why it's doing it... But it should have affected other packages. | 10:43 |
| imbrandon | btw wth is XS*- ? | 10:43 |
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon: X = extended. S = put in .dsc. B = put in DEBIAN/control in .deb. | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | And I'm not sure about the C bit. | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | Changes, perhaps. | 10:44 |
| supervillain | Hello, I'm trying to build squid-prefetch, but I got "cp: cannot stat `debian/{postinst,prerm,postrm}': No such file or directory" | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | supervillain: That is one of the dreaded bashisms. *jarring chord* | 10:44 |
| crimsun | ls -l /bin/sh | 10:44 |
| imbrandon | bashism in rules ? | 10:44 |
| crimsun | yes, {,} is a bashism | 10:45 |
| supervillain | how do I convert it to dash? | 10:45 |
| crimsun | e.g., list them separately | 10:45 |
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| imbrandon | change debian/{postinst,prerm,postrm} to debian/postinst \n debian/prerm \n etc etc etc | 10:46 |
| supervillain | any reason why squid don't have visible_hostname checker in postinst? Since, most of the people when squid install, it's asking to use visible_hostname $HOSTNAME | 10:47 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Your vlc upload must be the first one to use a non-*ubuntu* new maintainer since dpkg-dev started enforcing the new rules | 10:47 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: that's what it looks like | 10:47 |
| supervillain | thanks for the bashism tip. | 10:49 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:25 |
| lionel | hi bddebian | 03:27 |
| bddebian | Hello lionel | 03:28 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, ping | 04:19 |
| imbrandon | ( or any other mono packagers arround ) | 04:19 |
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| nixternal | imbrandon: you get a chance to check out that debdiff? Would it be easier to create a security bug for this, and then attach my debdiffs to them? | 04:42 |
| keescook | nixternal: sure, it could help coordination. I can check them/upload them too. | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, yes | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | heya keescook | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | brbr afk | 04:44 |
| keescook | hiya imbrandon | 04:44 |
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| nixternal | keescook: is there a recommended way of creating the bug that you would like to see? | 04:57 |
| keescook | nixternal: the "fullest" way to do it would be to fill it out like normal, then link the CVEs, and flag it as security. | 04:58 |
| nixternal | roger | 04:58 |
| keescook | then attach the debdiffs, and if it's in universe, subscribe motu-swat | 04:58 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I wonder if they even created CVEs for it | 04:58 |
| keescook | nixternal: I can go hunt those down (or get them assigned) too. what package is it again? | 04:59 |
| nixternal | ktorrent | 04:59 |
| keescook | right! :) | 04:59 |
| keescook | once I see the debdiffs, I should be able to find/request a CVE | 05:00 |
| nixternal | I have one debdiff, let me link you really quick | 05:00 |
| nixternal | http://nixternal.com/pkg/ktorrent/edgy/ktorrent_edgy.debdiff | 05:01 |
| keescook | cool. was there a KDE news item about this? (also, for changelogs, check out the templates and versioning styles here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures ) | 05:02 |
| nixternal | it isn't a very serious security issue, but from what I seen code wise, they ensure that the chunk file isn't corrupted, and then with versions <2.1.2 .. in the filename was allowed | 05:02 |
| nixternal | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=117346514411140&w=2 | 05:02 |
| nixternal | just the announcement | 05:02 |
| nixternal | so someone could name or place a file in a torrent and have it write to ../../foo/bar/, so unless they were root it wouldn't wipe system files, but it could damage user configuration files | 05:03 |
| keescook | eewww. yeah, hadn't seen that before. I'll request a CVE. | 05:03 |
| nixternal | rock on! | 05:03 |
| nixternal | I will do the Dapper and Breezy debdiffs here shortly | 05:04 |
| keescook | where did you get the patch from? I'm trying to get a "fuller" description that I can use for the CVE request. was anything useful in the svn commits? | 05:04 |
| nixternal | nothing, the svn commit comments say the same exact thing as the ML did | 05:05 |
| keescook | "security issue" heh. | 05:06 |
| keescook | so, the ".." is obvious to me, but any idea what the 2nd vulns was? | 05:06 |
| nixternal | myself and jdong already told them they need better changelogs because they make it tough for us to get it fixed and accepted | 05:06 |
| nixternal | keescook: your guess is as good as mine on the other ones | 05:06 |
| keescook | good call. :) | 05:06 |
| keescook | heh | 05:06 |
| nixternal | let me link you to the svn comments | 05:06 |
| nixternal | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/libktorrent/torrent/ | 05:07 |
| nixternal | chunkcounter.cpp, peer.cpp, and torrent.cpp | 05:07 |
| nixternal | haha | 05:07 |
| nixternal | Fix 2 security vulnerabilities, both were discovered by Bryan Burns of Juniper Networks | 05:07 |
| nixternal | lovely | 05:07 |
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| keescook | nixternal: so, for example, especially since there isn't a CVE for this yet, in the References section of the changelogs, add the upstream changeset URL: | 05:11 |
| keescook | http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=640661 | 05:11 |
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| keescook | oh! I see the problem, idx could be negative (DoS, heap corruption) | 05:12 |
| nixternal | oh ya, didn't even catch that with the -- cnt | 05:12 |
| keescook | yeow, or too big. | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | hum whats the sru policy on "just needs a rebuild" ? | 05:13 |
| keescook | imbrandon: dunno, good question. | 05:13 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 05:15 |
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| teardrop | hellow | 05:15 |
| tsmithe | hi | 05:16 |
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| imbrandon | hello teardrop | 05:17 |
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| teardrop | i need help to configure mi wirelees | 05:17 |
| teardrop | who can help me plz | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | teardrop, #ubuntu is for general support | 05:17 |
| teardrop | yeah but i need onli numbers of directions ip that | 05:17 |
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| nixternal | keescook: that main.cpp file only adds recognition to the guy who found it, I don't need to add that to the patch as well do I? | 05:22 |
| keescook | nixternal: correct, I'd prefer it's left out to make the patch smaller. :) | 05:23 |
| nixternal | seeing as that isn't part of the security issue :) | 05:23 |
| nixternal | whew, good :) | 05:23 |
| keescook | right. :) | 05:23 |
| nixternal | * debian/patches/kubuntu_02_security_fix.diff - http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=640661 | 05:24 |
| nixternal | that is what I added to the changelog, cool? | 05:24 |
| nixternal | add a quick explanation as well? | 05:24 |
| keescook | right, see the SUP url I pasted earlier. there's a template in there | 05:25 |
| nixternal | err, ya I am looking dead at it ;) | 05:25 |
| keescook | oh! heh | 05:25 |
| keescook | so usually I'll put the svn changeset into References, and just say "backported upstream fix" for the patch line | 05:26 |
| nixternal | OK | 05:26 |
| keescook | let me know when you've got the bug report ready, and I'll link to it for the CVE request email I'm writing. | 05:27 |
| nixternal | let me do that now | 05:28 |
| teardrop | any speack spanish can help me :( plz | 05:28 |
| tsmithe | !es > teardrop | 05:29 |
| dsas | is the process to get a debdiff reviewed and uploaded simply "assign bug to motureviewers" ? | 05:29 |
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| Adri2000 | dsas: assign to ubuntu-universe-sponsors ;) | 05:32 |
| Adri2000 | and hi everyone :) | 05:32 |
| keescook | hiya Adri2000 | 05:32 |
| dsas | Adri2000: in that case https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs is out of date. | 05:33 |
| lionel | hi Adri2000 ! | 05:36 |
| Adri2000 | hey lionel :) | 05:36 |
| dsas | I just fixed it :) | 05:36 |
| Adri2000 | dsas: ok, cool : | 05:36 |
| Adri2000 | :) | 05:36 |
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| nixternal | keescook: bug 91174 | 05:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91174 in ktorrent "KTorrent security issue with releases <2.1.2 (Breezy - Feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91174 | 05:38 |
| keescook | nixternal: cool! thanks. | 05:38 |
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| nixternal | keescook: I will put some debdiffs up there in a few. I need to redo the Edgy debdiff to be a .1 revision in the changelog as well as fix the Maintainer to Core Dev and not MOTU | 05:44 |
| keescook | nixternal: cool, thanks. | 05:44 |
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| === keescook wants to get everyone using sbuild + LVM snapshots (sooo fast) | ||
| imbrandon | keescook, write me a howto on setting it up and i'll get them going on the community build machines ;) | 05:46 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: haha, I was going to say the same thing, but to use locally :) | 05:46 |
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| keescook | imbrandon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto | 05:47 |
| imbrandon | http://www.imbrandon.com/hello.aspx | 05:47 |
| keescook | nixternal: you made a 2nd bug? | 05:47 |
| nixternal | huh? | 05:48 |
| nixternal | I made one boog | 05:48 |
| keescook | https://launchpad.net/bugs/91174 just appeared too | 05:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91174 in ktorrent "KTorrent security issue with releases <2.1.2 (Breezy - Feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:48 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 05:48 |
| nixternal | interesting | 05:48 |
| keescook | imbrandon: the important bit is http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/scripts/mk-sbuild-lv.sh | 05:48 |
| nixternal | beta.lp boog? | 05:48 |
| keescook | that script does everything :) | 05:49 |
| imbrandon | keescook, rockin | 05:49 |
| imbrandon | apache2 rocks , aspx , php , python , perl all on the same website ;) | 05:50 |
| nixternal | keescook: that is odd. I will just reject 74 and leave 72 open since you started working on it :) | 05:50 |
| keescook | nixternal: okay, cool. | 05:50 |
| nixternal | done | 05:51 |
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| keescook | nixternal: aagh. I sent the 91174 for the CVE request. I'll dup it and go back to using 91172. | 05:53 |
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| nixternal | lol | 05:53 |
| nixternal | I apologize for my double post (finger fumbling) | 05:53 |
| keescook | if I could type/read, I'd be dangerous | 05:54 |
| nixternal | same here :) | 05:54 |
| nixternal | KTorrent devs need to learn how to "document" properly | 05:54 |
| nixternal | jeesh, you have to trace everything back just to figure out what it "could" be | 05:54 |
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| nixternal | edgy fix attached | 06:00 |
| === nixternal still aways dapper pbuilder | ||
| keescook | heh, 91174 is the "primary" now. sorry I messed that all up. | 06:01 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 06:02 |
| === nixternal uploads to 91174 :) | ||
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| keescook | nixternal: we've got CVEs. :) CVE-2007-1384 CVE-2007-1385 (they'll be visible after they sync) | 06:58 |
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| _MMA_ | Hey guys. How does the versioning on packages work for bug fixes? | 07:04 |
| _MMA_ | I have to fix something in the ubuntustudio metas. | 07:04 |
| ivoks | what's the actual version? | 07:05 |
| ivoks | and what ubuntu release? | 07:05 |
| ivoks | which | 07:06 |
| _MMA_ | .1 Feisty | 07:06 |
| ivoks | .1? | 07:06 |
| ivoks | whole version | 07:06 |
| _MMA_ | Thats what we made it. | 07:06 |
| ivoks | ubuntustudio-audio_0.1 | 07:06 |
| _MMA_ | joejaxx: ping | 07:06 |
| ivoks | then it's ubuntustudio-audio_0.2 | 07:07 |
| ivoks | you can add additional changes and then release it | 07:07 |
| _MMA_ | And for a bug-fix thats fine? | 07:07 |
| joejaxx | ok | 07:07 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:08 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Thanx. | 07:08 |
| joejaxx | ivoks: thanks | 07:09 |
| ivoks | np | 07:09 |
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| pirast | could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814? | 07:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90814 in asterisk "[UPLOAD] New Asterisk release 1.2.16" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90814 | 07:58 |
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| rdw200169 | Ubuntu is dying for an easy to use firewall app... that works | 08:04 |
| rdw200169 | Is there any work being done to replace Firestarter for ease of use and functionality? | 08:05 |
| Laser_away | well, I don't know of any. But you could ask the Firestarter people about features | 08:07 |
| pirast | rdw200169, why use a firewall? or for what? | 08:07 |
| pirast | rdw200169, ubuntu comes with a no ports open policy, at least for edgy afaik | 08:07 |
| Laser_away | pirast: there first thing a lot of people do is open up a bunch of ports ;-) | 08:08 |
| Laser_away | *the | 08:08 |
| pirast | mhm k thats right | 08:09 |
| ivoks | it's not | 08:10 |
| ivoks | what ports do people open? | 08:10 |
| rdw200169 | exactly | 08:10 |
| Laser_away | printing, avahi | 08:11 |
| ivoks | last thing i want is tome sort of norton firewall that doesn't work | 08:11 |
| ivoks | or makes any communication impossible | 08:11 |
| Laser_away | I suppose a fair amount end up laying with ssh, http, .. | 08:11 |
| Laser_away | s/laying/playing/ | 08:11 |
| ivoks | people who install web server should know what they are doing :) | 08:12 |
| rdw200169 | yup | 08:12 |
| ivoks | i have web server and is open :) | 08:12 |
| rdw200169 | but isn't the goal of ubuntu to make things easy? | 08:12 |
| rdw200169 | OS X makes it very easy | 08:12 |
| ivoks | rdw200169: yes, it is... | 08:12 |
| rdw200169 | and i think ubuntu should too | 08:12 |
| ivoks | rdw200169: do you use firewall on osx? | 08:13 |
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| rdw200169 | but still be, overzealously, secure | 08:13 |
| rdw200169 | absolutely | 08:13 |
| ivoks | for what? | 08:13 |
| ivoks | firewall on osx is close/open | 08:13 |
| ivoks | it's better to have services listen on localhost, don't you think? | 08:14 |
| rdw200169 | i'm a firewall junkie, running a linux router as an ISP for 25 users currently | 08:14 |
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| ivoks | hehe i'm running firewalls for >300 users :) | 08:14 |
| rdw200169 | yes, but you have to turn on services to allow ssh, etc... | 08:15 |
| ivoks | i agree | 08:15 |
| rdw200169 | not if you want to run a samba share, or ftp, whatever, locally | 08:15 |
| rdw200169 | i wish.. | 08:15 |
| ivoks | where's the logic in opening ssh but then firewalling it? | 08:15 |
| ivoks | this is how OSX does it | 08:16 |
| ivoks | it's open or closed | 08:16 |
| rdw200169 | i'm in iraq right now, providing internet for some of my peers, for a price of course | 08:16 |
| Laser_away | ivoks: the idea is you can use the firewall and only open what you need | 08:16 |
| Laser_away | some people will use it, others won't | 08:17 |
| Laser_away | but it seems like a nice tool to have | 08:17 |
| Laser_away | I think especially in the future | 08:17 |
| ivoks | Laser_away: i just don't logic in installing services and then firewalling it | 08:17 |
| ivoks | Laser_away: it's better to not install it in first place, right? :) | 08:17 |
| Laser_away | ah | 08:17 |
| ivoks | ah well... | 08:17 |
| Laser_away | but that assumes the user knows what they are doing ;-) | 08:17 |
| rdw200169 | exaclty | 08:18 |
| Laser_away | in the future people will be installing all kinds of stuff | 08:18 |
| Laser_away | they'll need a tool to see what's going on | 08:18 |
| ivoks | ok, then we should have everything closed on start | 08:18 |
| ivoks | and then pick what to open | 08:18 |
| rdw200169 | hackers? | 08:18 |
| man-di | isnt running services and closing access to them like wasting resources? | 08:19 |
| ivoks | man-di: i agree :) | 08:19 |
| ivoks | man-di: (my point exactlly) | 08:19 |
| Laser_away | ivoks: that's essential what a firewall does | 08:19 |
| rdw200169 | which one, the hacker, or the user? | 08:19 |
| ivoks | it's different with windows | 08:19 |
| Laser_away | close off everything, then choose what you want to open | 08:19 |
| rdw200169 | they are right now | 08:19 |
| ivoks | windows open ports by default | 08:19 |
| man-di | ivoks: they did in the past but do they still? | 08:19 |
| ivoks | user doesn't have to install anything; one gets OS with open ports | 08:19 |
| ivoks | man-di: not in 2003, but yes in XP | 08:20 |
| man-di | ivoks: XP = past (for me) | 08:20 |
| rdw200169 | or, lets say someone wants to install Apache2 to run a webserver, and a popup asks if they want to open that port | 08:20 |
| ivoks | and one thing... windows doesn't have sockets | 08:20 |
| ivoks | rdw200169: i think that should be easily done with dbus | 08:21 |
| ivoks | but i would prefere having apache installed listening only on localhost | 08:21 |
| rdw200169 | ... | 08:21 |
| ivoks | same goes for postfix, dovecot, etc... | 08:21 |
| ivoks | this is better than having listen = * and then firewalling | 08:22 |
| rdw200169 | then what good are those services? | 08:22 |
| ivoks | rdw200169: whata good are they if they are firewalled? :) | 08:22 |
| man-di | ivoks: IMO this could be asked on installation with debconf | 08:22 |
| ivoks | man-di: ubuntu has zero questions policy | 08:22 |
| man-di | ivoks: if you want only localhost it gets enabled | 08:22 |
| man-di | oh | 08:22 |
| man-di | I'm only a Debian Java maintainer wanting to join Ubuntu to make Java in Ubuntu better | 08:23 |
| man-di | zero questions is good for desktop uses | 08:23 |
| man-di | users | 08:23 |
| man-di | probably not so good for server users | 08:23 |
| man-di | but I dont wanna start a discussion about this yet | 08:23 |
| ivoks | make java * better | 08:26 |
| ivoks | :D | 08:27 |
| ivoks | sorry | 08:27 |
| ivoks | man-di: no question is good for server too (look at redhat), but only if by default services (except ssh) listen only on localhost | 08:27 |
| rdw200169 | i'm picturing something, as a firewall tool, that would work with, or be a part of, the network administration tool | 08:28 |
| rdw200169 | since they're all related | 08:28 |
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| ivoks | and not enabled by default | 08:30 |
| ivoks | ubuntu already has quite a number of pop-ups | 08:30 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:30 |
| dsas | people just hit "yeah ok let it use the internet" anyway, anything to make the pop-up stops. | 08:33 |
| ivoks | right | 08:34 |
| pirast | could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814? | 08:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 90814 in asterisk "[UPLOAD] New Asterisk release 1.2.16" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90814 | 08:35 |
| ivoks | pirast: only changelog? | 08:39 |
| pirast | ivoks, yeah | 08:39 |
| ivoks | pirast: you didn't add ubuntu changes first time? | 08:39 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:40 |
| pirast | the ubuntu1 upload is in the archives | 08:40 |
| pirast | in that i removed older ubuntu changes | 08:40 |
| pirast | ivoks, that diff adds the removed old ubuntu changes. | 08:41 |
| ivoks | i see | 08:41 |
| ivoks | i'll do it, but later... | 08:43 |
| ivoks | ok? | 08:43 |
| pirast | ivoks, yeah, thanks :) | 08:44 |
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| joejaxx | how is everyone? :) | 08:47 |
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| tsmithe | grrreeaaa^Wangry | 08:53 |
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| ivoks | pirast: uploaded | 09:24 |
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| tarheelcoxn | hi. I'm looking at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001379.html | 10:08 |
| tarheelcoxn | I'm wondering if there's been talk in here about that, specifically about the wiki bits | 10:09 |
| pirast | ivoks, thx | 10:14 |
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| pirast | Fujitsu, ping | 11:21 |
| Fujitsu | pirast: Yep? | 11:24 |
| pirast | Fujitsu, an Asterisk package fixing the changelog has just been uploaded.. you may want to have a look at it ;-) | 11:25 |
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