[12:14] <imbrandon> Toadstool, np
[12:18] <Fujitsu> I didn't want to wait 20 minutes after filing a bug via email... Only to be told I'd left the leading / off the affects line.
[12:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: I attached the debdiff to the bug report
[12:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6722675/python-imaging_1.1.5-10ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:19] <LaserJock> _MMA_: yeah, what's up?
[12:19] <_MMA_> I have a newbie.
[12:19] <_MMA_> jussi01 here is going to be working with us.
[12:19] <jussi01> Hi
[12:19] <LaserJock> hi jussi01 
[12:19] <_MMA_> Im getting him up with all the links he'll need.
[12:20] <_MMA_> Im talking with him about the importance of MOTU and working with you guys.
[12:20] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I have 3 research related weekly meetings
[12:20] <LaserJock> _MMA_: thanks :-)
[12:21] <imbrandon> _MMA_, cool
[12:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahh
[12:21] <imbrandon> man anyone know christer edwards handle on irc ?
[12:21] <LaserJock> christer or something like that :-)
[12:21] <imbrandon> he is starting yet another Debian package of the day instead of helping the existing one
[12:22] <LaserJock> yeah, I thought that was odd
[12:23] <LaserJock> especially since the first one was a bit contraversial
[12:23] <imbrandon> i left a comment on his blag, but i thought i would twap him on irc too
[12:23] <imbrandon> blog*
[12:23] <LaserJock> heh
[12:23] <LaserJock> swag+blog== blag
[12:23] <crimsun>   python-imaging_1.1.5-10ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[12:23] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:23] <imbrandon> heh
[12:23] <LaserJock> crimsun: thank you ever so much
[12:24] <imbrandon> man there is a site at work selling eBooks for $20 bux a pop and makes 40k a month, i need to so do that
[12:24] <imbrandon> lol
[12:24] <imbrandon> eBook about how to get rich, makin him rich
[12:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:25] <ajmitch> hi
[12:25] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[12:25] <ajmitch> like the one complaining about backports, with no useful suggestions
[12:26] <LaserJock> well obviously Universe is too high of quality for some
[12:26] <LaserJock> and utter crap for others :-)
[12:26] <ajmitch> heh
[12:26] <imbrandon> lol
[12:29] <LaserJock> I have a question about the bug syntax in changelogs, is it supposed to be (Closes LP: #...) or (LP: #...) or ?
[12:29] <LaserJock> the wiki page isn't quite clear for me
[12:30] <ajmitch> and the kde4 debate still rages on
[12:30] <crimsun> LaserJock: it needs only "LP: #number"
[12:30] <crimsun> you can use "Closes: LP: #number" or "(Closes LP: #number)" or whatever as long as the minimum constraint is met
[12:31] <LaserJock> k
[12:32] <LaserJock> but it *has* to have the LP:, right? I want to do Closes: LP #number but I'm thinking that's wrong
[12:32] <ajmitch> check it
[12:33] <crimsun> yes, you need "LP: #"
[12:33] <LaserJock> alright, just so I'm clear
[12:34] <ajmitch> # For Ubuntu/Launchpad bugs
[12:34] <ajmitch> while ($f{'Changes'} =~ /lp:\s+\#\d+(?:,\s*\#\d+)*/ig) {
[12:34] <ajmitch>   push(@launchpad_closes, $& =~ /\#?\s?(\d+)/g);
[12:34] <ajmitch> }
[12:34] <ajmitch> so yeah.. :)
[12:35] <chillywilly> hi
[12:35] <chillywilly> perl?!?
[12:35] <Fujitsu> It doesn't actually do anything on LP yet, however.
[12:35] <chillywilly> egads!
[12:36] <crimsun> chillywilly: since it's part of dpkg-dev, yes
[12:36] <chillywilly> anyone know if there's a core set of upstart scripts written to bring up the base system?
[12:37] <ajmitch> yes
[12:37] <chillywilly> where would I find those?
[12:37] <greff> Is there a way to create standard looking init scripts?
[12:37] <greff> It seems as thought everything in /etc/init.d/ is somewhat standard. I want to be able to create something that looks about the same. Catch my drift?
[12:37] <chillywilly> oh great and powerful motus
[12:37] <crimsun> chillywilly: /etc/event.d/
[12:37] <ajmitch> apt-cache search upstart
[12:37] <chillywilly> yea but I mean source-wise as I don't have the latest bleeding edge package installed
[12:37] <chillywilly> erm, ubuntu installed I mean
[12:38] <chillywilly> not package
[12:38] <crimsun> greff: yes, LSB-ify
[12:38] <crimsun> greff: essentially, modify the initscript, and add lsb-base (>= 3) as a Depends
[12:39] <crimsun> the conversion is pretty straightforward; took about thirty seconds for pulseaudio
[12:47] <pirast> could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814?
[12:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90814 in asterisk "[UPLOAD]  New Asterisk release 1.2.16" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90814
[12:48] <pirast> i am off now, goog night
[12:48] <pirast> good night
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Night, pirast.
[12:58] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: where is that? On the wiki?
[12:59] <LaserJock> "LDAP out-of-the-box" that should be easy
[12:59] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Can you please officially bless bug #91001.
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91001 in bindgraph "[UVFe]  bindgraph 2.0 -> 2.0a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91001
[01:00] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Can you take a look at the above too?
[01:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: exactly
[01:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not to mention that some of us have been working on that sort of thing
[01:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: whaa?!? ;-P
[01:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hard to believe, given the results
[01:02] <ajmitch> but technically there's some work done :)
[01:02] <LaserJock> oh nifty, "Remote accessibility" or "How can I open my box up to the entire world?"
[01:03] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Do I dare to say `Results? What results?' or would that be danerous?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> *dangerous
[01:03] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it would be
[01:03] <ajmitch> and I'll rescind that ACK on that UVF request now
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[01:05] <Fujitsu> :-/
[01:09] <ajmitch> bye
[01:14] <LaserJock> ajmitch: are you leaving us? :(
[01:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock, remote accessabilty can be good if done right
[01:15] <imbrandon> and secure ;)
[01:16] <LaserJock> sure, I just have my doubts of it being done right or securely
[01:16] <imbrandon> i hear ya
[01:27] <crimsun> Fujitsu: all yours.
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Thanks ajmitch, crimsun.
[01:27] <crimsun> np
[01:59] <pochu> happy hug day!
[02:02] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder how fast a spac qemu box is 
[02:02] <imbrandon> if its faster than the ultra iii
[02:02] <imbrandon> or not
[02:02] <zul> whats a spac?
[02:03] <crimsun> it's like a sparc, but it only runs Vista.
[02:03] <imbrandon> its my version of a sparc
[02:03] <imbrandon> lol
[02:03] <zul> imbrandon: i doubt a qemu spac is faster than an ultra 3
[02:10] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:10] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[02:11] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:11] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[02:11] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> hi bddebian imbrandon 
[02:12] <bddebian> Heya tonyyarusso, how's it coming?
[02:12] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Can you please ack the 3 release tasks in bug #83508?
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83508 in zabbix "Buffer overflow in ZABBIX before 1.1.5 has unknown impact and attack vectors related to "SNMP IP addresses."" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83508
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Waiting for a new tarball... :(  He's had trouble contacting the Linspire guys for some reason it seems.
[02:14] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, done
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Thanks, imbrandon.
[02:14] <imbrandon> np
[02:17] <crimsun> I need to enable sudo's insults so I can differentiate between installs.
[02:18] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:18] <Fujitsu> crimsun: That's my idea!
[02:19] <crimsun> excellent.
[02:21] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:21] <Fujitsu> Hi sistpoty.
[02:21] <sistpoty> hi Fujitsu
[02:22] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[02:22] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[02:23] <sistpoty> LaserJock, Fujitsu: give me some hints about the application https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000021.html... I'm still so undecided
[02:24] <crimsun> I'm still waiting to hear back from him
[02:25] <sistpoty> crimsun: did you CC him? not quite sure if he's subscribed
[02:25] <Fujitsu> `Medibuntu'... Is that what I think it is, LaserJock?
[02:25] <sistpoty> (though I guess I could find out)
[02:25] <crimsun> sistpoty: I sent it to him and CCed MC
[02:25] <sistpoty> ah
[02:26] <crimsun> he's probably busy, so there's a grace period
[02:26] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: Media Ubuntu
[02:26] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: not Medical Ubuntu
[02:26] <LaserJock> lol
[02:26] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Oh, good.
[02:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That's a great idea!
[02:26] <sistpoty> ajmitch++
[02:26] <sistpoty> ;)
[02:26] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: I personally think he also needs more uploads (in addition to the beer).
[02:26] <ajmitch> this is why we have a 2 week period
[02:27] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: if you want to call it that, I think it's a nicer version of Mint
[02:27] <ajmitch> hearing objections, gathering info
[02:27] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: And drinking beer.
[02:27] <sistpoty> ajmitch: unless we'd reach an early +3 or -3
[02:27] <LaserJock> he's done a number of new packages
[02:27] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that goes without saying
[02:28] <LaserJock> but it seems like he hasn't done a ton of non-NEW stuff and hasn't been doing it for *that* long
[02:28] <ajmitch> sistpoty: heard anything from the sponsors?
[02:28] <ajmitch> how long has he been involved, and how involved has he been around here?
[02:28] <sistpoty> ajmitch: only on the ml
[02:28] <greff> What does Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0) mean?
[02:28] <greff> I understand >=, but what does >> mean?
[02:28] <sistpoty> ajmitch: not quite sure, but iirc he's been around for quite some time
[02:28] <crimsun> strictly greater than, greff 
[02:28] <sistpoty> (so my brain tends to mix up these things)
[02:29] <ajmitch> sure, I remember him being around for awhile, but that doesn't say much
[02:29] <ajmitch> I've been around for awhile but I don't do anything
[02:29] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:29] <greff> crimsun: Hmm, that's useful how? Will > still allow dpkg -i packagename to work then?
[02:29] <crimsun> greff: err, I presume the strict versioning is purposeful
[02:30] <greff> crimsun: Hehe, where can I learn more about all of this?
[02:30] <crimsun> greff: if such is the case, it should be noted in the changelog
[02:30] <crimsun> greff: Debian Policy Manual and Debian New Maintainers' Guide
[02:30] <greff> crimsun: Thanks a bunch.
[02:30] <crimsun> np
[02:31] <LaserJock> imbrandon:  you can run but you can't hide ;-)
[02:31] <imbrandon> lol
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> ... what's ajmitch looking for a victim for?
[02:32] <crimsun> hey, we have a volunteer!
[02:32] <bddebian> Gah, Bug #23160 is for Hoary
[02:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23160 in laptop-mode "Script fails with error" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23160
[02:32] <ajmitch> fixing stuff
[02:32] <ajmitch> crimsun: poor sucker
[02:32] <imbrandon> lol bddebian 
[02:32] <LaserJock> bddebian: is it fixed? :-)
[02:33] <bddebian> No but I'm not sure laptop-mode is even viable anymore
[02:33] <greff> crimsun: Who me?
[02:33] <bddebian> Hasn't been updated since Hoary apparently
[02:34] <crimsun> bddebian: my take is that you would want to ping mjg59 about it, and if he approves, then apply it
[02:35] <crimsun> it should be fixed, certainly, but he may have other plans
[02:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'd hardly call https://beta.launchpad.net/~ajmitch/+packages doing nothing
[02:35] <crimsun> [unlikely, though, since it was demoted to universe releases ago] 
[02:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: all old
[02:35] <LaserJock> no it's not
[02:35] <ajmitch> is too
[02:35] <LaserJock> there's lots of Feisty stuff
[02:36] <LaserJock> yikes, https://beta.launchpad.net/~crimsun/+packages
[02:36] <LaserJock> look at all the Edgy stuff ^^
[02:36] <ajmitch> nothing important
[02:37] <sistpoty> ajmitch: your karma is much higher than mine... so either you really rock or I suck completely or both ;)
[02:37] <ajmitch> see, that's someone who does work
[02:37] <ajmitch> sistpoty: no, I just touched more bugs
[02:37] <bddebian> ajmitch has karma?
[02:37] <ajmitch> see, bddebian knows I don't do anything :)
[02:37] <bddebian> Bah ;-P
[02:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch has lots of karma
[02:38] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: hehe, I've almost had a few of those as well
[02:38] <crimsun> (look at geser's :)
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: how's that happen?
[02:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: you have 4 times as much bug karma as I do so don't go telling me you are useless :p
[02:40] <Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: dpkg-dev kills a package build if you have `ubuntu' anywhere in your DEBEMAIL. I've been doing SRUs and security updates, so I don't want to change the maintainer field, so I unset DEBEMAIL.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Running dch without DEBEMAIL set uses some insane default.
[02:40] <LaserJock> insane?
[02:40] <Fujitsu> william@localhost isn't exactly sane for a Debian upload.
[02:41] <sistpoty> I've once completely corrupted a changelog entry for not having DEBEMAIL set in a chroot... took me a while to figure what was going on there
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[02:41] <LaserJock> that's not exactly insane
[02:42] <crimsun> but I want "crimsun@ponies" </whine>
[02:42] <LaserJock> your computer isn't named ponies?!?!
[02:42] <imbrandon> what about crimsun@iheartponies ?
[02:42] <crimsun> some insipid admin gave me "FUN" instead.
[02:43] <crimsun> what kind of hostname is "FUN"?!
[02:43] <imbrandon> lol
[02:43] <Fujitsu> crimsun: A fun one, of course.
[02:44] <crimsun> rejecting beryl* bugs seems to help ;)
[02:44] <LaserJock> lol
[02:44] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: How?
[02:44] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Probably.
[02:44] <ajmitch> massfile unmet deps bugs
[02:44] <ajmitch> just got a list of source packages with unmet deps
[02:44] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[02:44] <dsas> any idea why pbuilder would fail as it can't find the package when apt-get update has been ran and the package exists?
[02:44] <Fujitsu> It's about time to do that, ajmitch.
[02:44] <LaserJock> I'm wading through Launchpad bugs, I don't think that's really the "easy" way to get karma ;-)
[02:44] <imbrandon> pbuilder update also
[02:44] <crimsun> dsas: repo mismatch (is universe/multiverse enabled in pbuilder?)
[02:45] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yes, thatnks for reminding me
[02:45] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: anything else that I've neglected for you?
[02:46] <sistpoty> I guess we should enable the merge web tool for feisty +1... get karma via merge bugs :)
[02:46] <dsas> crimsun: ubuntu/multiverse is enabled by default now isn't it? or doesn't pbuilder care about that?
[02:46] <crimsun> dsas: no, pbuilder does not enable either
[02:47] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:47] <dsas> crimsun: ok, i imagine it's probably that then.
[02:47] <dsas> thanks!
[02:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: I just move bugs around, I don't actually fix anything :-)
[02:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: still
[02:49] <LaserJock> my karma is pathetic, onl 500 for bugs :(
[02:50] <crimsun> I think jdong just earned himself a black mark!
[02:50] <LaserJock> mhm
[02:51] <LaserJock> automatic F
[02:51] <bddebian> Holy cow has mine dropped, sheesh
[02:51] <imbrandon> crimsun, hows that ?
[02:52] <LaserJock> whatever
[02:53] <imbrandon> i do almost have negitive karma, only 2k
[02:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:55] <crimsun> imbrandon: he was joking about uploading beryl ;)
[02:55] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:55] <imbrandon> yea thats one upload i wish i dident have on my /+packages
[02:56] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: We all make horrible, horrible mistakes.
[02:57] <crimsun> like, say, breaking the archive toolchain via an alsa-lib upload
[02:57] <crimsun> *whistles*
[02:57] <imbrandon> lol
[02:57] <Fujitsu> How'd you do that, crimsun?
[02:58] <crimsun> wrong /lib32 path for 64-bit arches
[02:58] <crimsun> broke gcc, which proceeded to kill compiles on 64-bit arches
[02:58] <crimsun> "FUN" indeed!
[02:58] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:58] <ajmitch> impressive
[02:59] <sistpoty> nothing too serious here... however I got 2 uploads to -updates rejected :)
[03:00] <ajmitch> that's nothing
[03:01] <sistpoty> yep, but I still find it a little bit ironic :)
[03:02] <ajmitch> :0:> wc -l source-unmet-deps.txt 
[03:02] <ajmitch> 64 source-unmet-deps.txt
[03:02] <ajmitch> seems awfully low number of source packages
[03:03] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That's about right, though I last checked a month or two ago.
[03:04] <ajmitch> oh well
[03:04] <ajmitch> 64 new bugs won't affect much
[03:05] <ajmitch> this was done on amd64, of course
[03:06] <ajmitch> 46 source-unmet-deps.txt
[03:06] <ajmitch> much less on i386
[03:10] <sistpoty> btw.: anyone got a clue what the amd64 toolchain changes have been for which doko did mass-uploads?
[03:11] <ajmitch> no idea
[03:11] <ajmitch> unless there was some change done on the buildds
[03:24] <sistpoty> ok, /me is off to bed now... gn8 everyone
[03:24] <crimsun> 'night.
[03:28] <Toadstool> re
[03:50] <crimsun> cd /tmp
[03:50] <crimsun> gah
[03:51] <bddebian> heh
[03:54] <LaserJock> hmm, we need a whole Kubuntu bug week?
[04:17] <crimsun> I guess I should make that pbuilder/gdebi change
[04:17] <crimsun> since, well, waiting four hours for a vlc build doesn't particularly strike my fancy even if I do have a case of beer
[04:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: have you made that change on your build farm?
[04:20] <Toadstool> is it really worth it in terms of speed? 'cause I'm reluctant to clutter my chroot with x related packages... unless it only requires gdebi-core...
[04:20] <Toadstool> am I thinking aloud? :p
[04:21] <imbrandon> crimsun, the pbuilder thing ?
[04:21] <crimsun> imbrandon: yes
[04:22] <imbrandon> crimsun, no because it required a shitton of backports, wasent sure it was worth it
[04:22] <crimsun> k
[04:22] <imbrandon> and i realy dident wanna run the buildd's on feisty
[04:22] <crimsun> wussy
[04:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:22] <crimsun> nevermind the fact that my machines all run breezy  *whistles*
[04:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:24] <LaserJock> hmmm?
[04:25] <LaserJock> oh, because you need gdebi from Feisty?
[04:25] <imbrandon> yea and it requires a bunch of other stuff
[04:25] <imbrandon> because its all versioned so tight
[04:27] <LaserJock> I guess I've just gotten used to running Feisty on everything :/
[04:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:28] <crimsun> if it weren't for quilt push -a and quilt new, I dunno what I'd do
[04:28] <LaserJock> I wonder if it'd be worth setting up a repo on tiber for backporting MOTU stuff
[04:28] <crimsun> I already do that
[04:28] <LaserJock> and setting up various MOTU tools
[04:29] <crimsun> I pretty much login, pbuilder-release update, and build away
[04:29] <crimsun> log in, even
[04:29] <LaserJock> log in where?
[04:29] <crimsun> tiber.
[04:29] <imbrandon> tiber has builders too LaserJock 
[04:29] <LaserJock> oh, you build on tiber?
[04:29] <LaserJock> I know
[04:30] <imbrandon> just x86 though
[04:30] <crimsun> I pretty much have to
[04:30] <LaserJock> I just didn't know anybody used them
[04:30] <crimsun> this machine is far too slow to be useful
[04:30] <crimsun> (this was before the advent of ubuntuwire, btw)
[04:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:30] <LaserJock> I honesty don't understand how you get all the stuff done you do crimsun 
[04:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: what do you use quilt for?
[04:31] <crimsun> it's an illusion. I have ponies do all the grunt work.
[04:31] <LaserJock> ah
[04:31] <crimsun> oh wait, I just gave away my sekrit
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> ubuntu?wire
[04:31] <crimsun> LaserJock: vlc's patchsys
[04:31] <LaserJock> oh
[04:32] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso, the community build network
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> ah, didn't know it had a name
[04:33] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso, well i guess it does now hehe all the hostnames are *.ubuntuwire.com ;)
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> right
[04:33] <crimsun> dpkg-source: error: file vlc_0.8.6.release.orig.tar.gz has size 647168 instead of expected 16866386
[04:33] <crimsun> oooops.
[04:33] <imbrandon> nice
[04:38] <ajmitch> crimsun: why would you still run breezy?
[04:38] <crimsun> ajmitch: things that break are known
[04:39] <bddebian> heh
[04:39] <crimsun> I fully except my next laptop to run feisty out of the box
[04:39] <crimsun> expect, too
[04:39] <ajmitch> I guess it's only us part-time hackers that run the latest
[04:39] <bddebian> :-)\
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> what lappy crimsun ?
[04:40] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: I'd like an IBM/Lenovo, but I don't know atm.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: I have a T43p
[04:41] <imbrandon> mbp ftw
[04:41] <crimsun> I've seen Ubuntu run on a T43p ;)
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> Only things not ootb: winmodem (linuxant driver works), good 3D accel on ATI card (it kinda works for now)
[04:42] <crimsun> I think right about the release of 6.06, I gave an installfest presentation and thanked deity for the alt installer I had burned
[04:42] <crimsun> feisty's desktop installer is so far beyond that one
[04:42] <crimsun> (6.06's ubiquity, that is)
[05:31] <LaserJock> do ['s mean something in a regex?
[05:33] <Toadstool> yup, [abc]  means "either a, b or c"
[05:35] <LaserJock> doh, I know that
[05:35] <Toadstool> :)
[05:36] <LaserJock> I can't believe I did that :-)
[05:38] <Toadstool> er... is LP supposed to close bugs automagically when I put LP: #xxxx in a changelog?
[05:38] <poningru> zomg that would crazy
[05:38] <LaserJock> I don't think so yet
[05:38] <LaserJock> but that's the plan
[05:38] <LaserJock> Toadstool: did you have one do that?
[05:39] <Toadstool> nope, just asking
[05:39] <Toadstool> I wish it did :)
[05:39] <LaserJock> I'm using that for when it does work
[05:40] <Toadstool> yep, at least the Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed field is correctly set in my .changes so I guess I am not doing anything wrong :)
[05:41] <LaserJock> cool
[05:41] <LaserJock> I guess that part is working
[05:44] <Toadstool> woohoo! bugs count -= 3
[05:45] <LaserJock> \o/
[05:45] <Toadstool> I've done like 100 times more Ubuntu stuff in 1hour thant in 2 months... I need a beer :)
[05:45] <Toadstool> *than eve
[05:46] <Toadstool> even
[05:46] <Toadstool> pff, I can't type
[05:48] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:02] <Toadstool> uhuh :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: other than being redundant, I can't think of any really
[07:04] <Fujitsu> Redundant? It would be properly searchable!
[07:04] <Fujitsu> And wouldn't have to have an incredibly slow web interfac.
[07:04] <Fujitsu> But it'd have to be read-only.
[07:04] <Fujitsu> There goes that idea.
[07:05] <Toadstool> of course it would be convenient to have some kind of interface with the database (like bts2ldap with the Debian BTS)...
[07:05] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, it's not that bad of an idea
[07:05] <nixternal> LaserJock: thanks!
[07:07] <LaserJock> nixternal: for what?
[07:08] <nixternal> heh, leaving that guy hanging for me to get caught up in
[07:08] <Toadstool> LaserJock: we don't need a reason to thank you, you're a MOTU deity :)
[07:09] <nixternal> hehe
[07:09] <LaserJock> lol
[07:09] <LaserJock> I really don't think so
[07:11] <Fujitsu> Toadstool: XML-RPC is scheduled for post-1.0, so it's probably not more than a couple of years away.
[07:11] <Toadstool> haha
[07:12] <Toadstool> it's been postponed like a million times right? :)
[07:12] <Toadstool> (xml-rpc)
[07:12] <Fujitsu> Soyuz 1.0 was scheduled for early last year, everything was meant to be 1.0 in early October last year.
[07:12] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:13] <Fujitsu> Well, I think they've always responded `later'.
[07:13] <Fujitsu> They've been saying that for 2 years now.
[07:13] <Toadstool> true
[07:14] <LaserJock> 1.0 should be pretty soon, unless there are more delays
[07:15] <LaserJock> after 1.0 I"m told xml-rpc will be the/a big push
[07:15] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: `pretty soon' is rather relative.
[07:15] <Fujitsu> Ah, that sounds more promising.
[07:15] <LaserJock> well, I've heard within the month
[07:15] <Fujitsu> Then we just have to write nice tools to work with it.
[07:15] <Fujitsu> Really!?
[07:15] <Toadstool> that'd be awesome
[07:15] <LaserJock> well, I'm not saying anything definite
[07:15] <Fujitsu> beta is looking pretty nice.
[07:16] <LaserJock> but it sounds definately soonish
[07:16] <Fujitsu> OK.
[07:16] <LaserJock> I've been trying to get down what exactly we can expect for Feisty+1
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Then they've just got another 2000 bugs to fix.
[07:17] <Toadstool> (uhuh, running out of beer)
[07:17] <nixternal> Ubuntu 7.10 "The Goofy Goose" Release?
[07:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What's on the Feisty+1 list so far?
[07:18] <Fujitsu> nixternal: It might be `H[a-z] + h[a-z] +', you know...
[07:18] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: 1.0
[07:18] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: perhaps PPA
[07:18] <LaserJock> not sure
[07:18] <Toadstool> PPA?
[07:18] <LaserJock> XML-RPC will get hopefully a lot of love
[07:18] <LaserJock> Personal Package Archives
[07:18] <Toadstool> oh
[07:18] <nixternal> Ubuntu 7.10 "The Hairy Hamster"
[07:19] <Fujitsu> XML-RPC will make Malone almost production-standard, IMO.
[07:19] <Toadstool> am I the only one to think that XML-RPC should get higher priority than PPA?
[07:19] <Fujitsu> Toadstool: No. Definitely not.
[07:21] <Fujitsu> A lack of PPA is easy to workaround, whereas XML-RPC is practically impossible.
[07:21] <Toadstool> agreed
[07:22] <LaserJock> well, PPA will be used by the vast LP users
[07:22] <LaserJock> xml-rpc is only helpful for a minority
[07:23] <Fujitsu> But XML-RPC is a whole lot more helpful to those people. XML-RPC provides something that simply cannot be done (without excessive screen-scraping and LP-overloading) now. PPA can be done right now.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> But anyway, I believe that PPA is pretty much finished.
[07:24] <Toadstool> which is good, devs will have more time to focus on more important things *evil grin*
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Yeah, like the new UI, which is even slower than old one! Hooray!
[07:25] <poningru> is ntfs-config supposed to be in universe?
[07:25] <poningru> cause its not in edgy
[07:26] <Fujitsu> It's new in Feisty.
[07:26] <poningru> Fujitsu: are you talking to me?
[07:27] <Fujitsu> poningru: Yep.
[07:27] <poningru> Fujitsu: all the docs in help.ubuntu.com say install ntfs-config but that package isnt available in edgy
[07:27] <poningru> even though the docs say they should be
[07:30] <Fujitsu> I'm sure it's new in Feisty.
[07:30] <poningru> it is
[07:30] <Fujitsu> !info ntfs-config edgy
[07:30] <ubotu> Package ntfs-config does not exist in edgy
[07:34] <imbrandon> re
[07:36] <imbrandon> hum if i did nfs /home and some scriptfoo and some apache magic i could probably make a motu only ppa :)
[07:36] <imbrandon> if only there was more hours in the day
[07:37] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:38] <Toadstool> imbrandon: when I wake up in the morning, my first thought is "if only there were more hours in the night"... I guess it's somehow related ;)
[07:38] <imbrandon> sleep is for the weak ;)
[07:38] <LaserJock> I ended up getting access to all the LP private bugs :/
[07:39] <LaserJock> oops
[07:39] <imbrandon> LaserJock, thats what you get for becomming a LP bug contact ;)
[07:39] <LaserJock> apparently
[07:39] <LaserJock> I was supposed to just get aces to the non-private bugs
[07:39] <LaserJock> but apparently LP doesn't know that
[07:39] <Toadstool> imbrandon: I am definitely weak (and definitely drunk tonight too)
[07:40] <Fujitsu> Security Contact should have access to the private ones... Unless Launchpad Bugs is subscribed directly to them.
[07:40] <Fujitsu> GAH.
[07:40] <Fujitsu> LP has exploded!
[07:40] <Toadstool> what did you do?! :)
[07:40] <Fujitsu> OperationalErrors!
[07:40] <Toadstool> ouch
[07:41] <Fujitsu> And it's the weekend too.
[07:41] <LaserJock> so now I've left the team until they figure it out
[07:42] <imbrandon> you left just bacause of that? it might have been intentional
[07:42] <imbrandon> heh
[07:42] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I'm not they'd like LaserJock having access to their code....
[07:43] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, sure anyone can have access , as long as you sign a nda :)
[07:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:43] <Fujitsu> That's probably just a friendly-seeming front.
[07:43] <imbrandon> nah i know one or two non-employees that have the code
[07:43] <Fujitsu> I've left most of my PHP skills behind. I'm glad of it.
[07:44] <imbrandon> easy to do when your 16 , not using it for 16 years ;)
[07:44] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I tried getting access to the LP wiki and was denied
[07:44] <LaserJock> it's pretty much the same thing
[07:44] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:45] <Fujitsu> As I said... It's a risk they're unlikely to take, even with an NDA.
[07:45] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: I totally banned PHP from my own servers/machines/whatever :)
[07:45] <Fujitsu> Toadstool: I never allowed it on them :)
[07:45] <Toadstool> hehe
[07:45] <imbrandon> Toadstool, thats about as ignorant as the comment you made on your blog 
[07:46] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I agree. It's not at all ignorant!
[07:46] <LaserJock> guys
[07:46] <imbrandon> why ? because you dont like it ? or do you have a valid reason hehe
[07:47] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: It's insecure. It's slow... It's not thread-safe... There are some horrible things written in it... The mish-mash of code and presentation is revolting...
[07:49] <imbrandon> thats all about the things that are written in it, nothing about the core its self
[07:49] <Toadstool> imbrandon: don't get me wrong about the KDE4 stuff. My blog post is just what I felt like with the little information the Kubuntu team provided on u-motu@. I am sorry if it looks offensive. Might be a language issue
[07:49] <imbrandon> the same can be said for perl,python, and just about any scripting lang
[07:50] <Toadstool> next time I'll think a million times before posting something similar
[07:50] <Fujitsu> In Dapper:
[07:50] <Fujitsu> php5 5.1.2-1ubuntu3.6
[07:50] <imbrandon> Toadstool, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you should have 1) objected when the spec was approved 2) replied in the medum it was presented in ( email ) even if you also bloged aobut it 
[07:51] <Fujitsu> 6 security fixes (some of them being multiple vulnerabilities) in 10 months? That must be the most secure thing EVER!
[07:52] <imbrandon> 6 security fixes is minor imho, look at the linux kernel its self in that saem timeframe, and php runs on more systems 
[07:52] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, it was approved at UDS
[07:53] <Fujitsu> The last security update fixed 6 CVEs, most of which were code-execution flaws.
[07:53] <imbrandon> and?
[07:54] <Fujitsu> I've not seen such an impressive record of flaws in Python or Perl.
[07:54] <Toadstool> oh crap, yet another php sux0r never-ending discussion ;)
[07:54] <imbrandon> perl had just as many when it was king of the web, and python isnt scruntinized as much because it isnt used as widely on the web
[07:55] <imbrandon> perl actualy had/has more tbh
[07:55] <imbrandon> without looking
[07:55] <imbrandon> perl is probably THE most insecure web lang, it wasent ment to be used for web, it was adapted to it, like python is now
[07:58] <Toadstool> good ol' days, eh? :)
[08:09] <imbrandon> nixternal, are you going to cherry pick the security update for ktorrent for breezy/dapper/edgy ?
[08:12] <nixternal> I could if needed
[08:12] <imbrandon> looks like your the man if your up for it
[08:12] <imbrandon> if you need a sponsor when done feel free to poke me
[08:13] <nixternal> with a size 12 boot :)
[08:13] <imbrandon> lol
[08:13] <nixternal> I think I just heard arms to platter noises coming from my other box
[08:13] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/music/jonobacon/jonobacon-reflections.ogg     , needs to be the startup sound for my kubuntu boxen
[08:13] <nixternal> heh
[08:15] <Toadstool> :)
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Bugs about initrd-tools can be swiftly killed, can't they?
[08:18] <crimsun> probably the same category as laptop-mode. They're still valid bugs but much lower priority than their replacements.
[08:19] <Fujitsu> initrd doesn't work with modern kernels, so it can't be valid any more.
[08:20] <crimsun> well, it won't be valid for our default kernel(s), true, but we do have to consider that people might want to run 2.[24] 
[08:39] <Fujitsu> Do we have a standard tag for .desktop-addition bugs yet?
[08:40] <LaserJock> .desktop-addition?
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Yes... Bugs that just request the addition of a .desktop.
[08:44] <LaserJock> ohh
[08:44] <LaserJock> that would be a good one
[08:44] <Fujitsu> More useful when we can search for an absence of tags.
[08:45] <LaserJock> heh, I saw that LP bug
[08:46] <Fujitsu> As did I.
[08:46] <Fujitsu> I immediately subscribed.
[08:47] <LaserJock> man, and I went through all that trouble to set up my email for LP bugs
[08:47] <LaserJock> spent a whole day figuring that out
[08:48] <Fujitsu> I'd love to be able to search for something with tags like `!desktop !upgrade', and get some real, fixable bug listings.
[08:49] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ever get the recipe for procmail ?
[08:49] <imbrandon> i seen the request after you were offline
[08:49] <imbrandon> but i have one
[08:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, it took a combination of figuring out how to get the mail *to* procmail (I have cpanel on the server) and then gettting .procmail
[08:49] <LaserJock> but I got it in the end
[08:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:50] <LaserJock> I had some stupid regex
[08:50] <LaserJock> but I figured it out eventually
[08:54] <Fujitsu> I like bug #89199. Very pleasant.
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89199 in mysql-admin "User admin & Restore both crash or lockup Mysql Admin." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89199
[08:55] <Fujitsu> And it's a dupe too.
[09:44] <nixternal> imbrandon: you still around?
[09:45] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://nixternal.com/pkg/ktorrent/edgy/ktorrent_edgy.debdiff
[09:45] <nixternal> there is the Edgy debdiff for KTorrent to fix the security issue
[09:46] <nixternal> I will do Dapper and Breezy tomorrow. I am gonna go crash
[09:47] <imbrandon> nixternal, cool, thanks, sleep well
[09:48] <nixternal> will try/do
[10:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Can you please work your core-dev magic on bug #42564?
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42564 in trac "Upgrade to Trac 0.9.5 for dapper (security fixes)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42564
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: When you're around... What do you think about disabling mp3lib in mplayer? I don't think there's any other solution at the moment.
[10:13] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: why? I enabled it because of a bugreport. It still doesn't work?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: Haven't you seen the bug? (bug #85751)
[10:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85751 in mplayer "Distorted MP3 sound" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85751
[10:24] <Nafallo> I have a mailbacklog from hell on most lists :-P
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:32] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I could revert mp3lib and add mad again...
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: I think we'll have to.
[10:32] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, done ( sorry a bit slow atm, firefighting at work
[10:32] <imbrandon> few 2650's decided to die
[10:32] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I don't want to rely entirely upon ffmpeg though :-)
[10:33] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Thanks! No problem with the slowness :)
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: Better to have it actually working, though.
[10:33] <Nafallo> yea :-)
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Gah.
[10:34] <Fujitsu> keescook: Your last two security updates to mplayer in Feisty should really have gone into bzr.
[10:35] <Nafallo> oh. the branch is outdated?
[10:35] <imbrandon> no more source packages spec failed miserably
[10:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:35] <Nafallo> thanks for the hint :-P
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: If you're going to make another release, it'd be advisable to add XS-Vcs-Bzr (or whatever it is)
[10:36] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: got any docs on that? :-)
[10:36] <imbrandon> personaly i stoped using bzr on lp for packages because it becomes out of date quicky if people dont use it ( most dont check unfortunately ) and 2) you cant delete branches
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: Just put something like `XS-Vcs-Bzr: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu' in debian/control.
[10:38] <Fujitsu> crimsun: What would you do that for?
[10:38] <crimsun> pkgmaintainermangler: Error: debian/vlc-plugin-alsa/DEBIAN/control already contains an Original-Maintainer field; aborting
[10:38] <Nafallo> okidoki :-)
[10:38] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Branch deletion is being worked on at the moment (I saw people talking about it 12 hours ago).
[10:38] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, nice
[10:38] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: There is also a junk product for putting useless branches on.
[10:38] <imbrandon> would have been good 6 months ago when i gave up on bzr in lp
[10:39] <crimsun> I think I just hit a pkgmaintainermangler bug
[10:39] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Probably. It's not exactly bug-free.
[10:40] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice if LP would eventually check for the existence of XS-Vcs-Bzr, and reject the upload if it hasn't been pushed.
[10:40] <imbrandon> crimsun, possibly, i dont like it much at all anyhow, i think it should warn not error imho
[10:40] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: That's different...
[10:40] <imbrandon> ?
[10:40] <Fujitsu> crimsun: That's the binary-mangler on the buildds, isn't it?
[10:41] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: You're complaining about the dpkg-dev change, are you not?
[10:41] <imbrandon> yea
[10:41] <crimsun> imbrandon: well, I can live with the dpkg-dev side, but every last build of vlc just FTBFS on pkgmaintainermangler
[10:41] <imbrandon> nice
[10:42] <crimsun> +Maintainer: MOTU Media Team <motumedia@tauware.de>
[10:42] <crimsun> +XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Sam Hocevar (Debian packages) <sam+deb@zoy.org>
[10:42] <crimsun> looks ok to me, nay?
[10:42] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Yep.
[10:42] <imbrandon> yea
[10:42] <crimsun> oh well, I'll bug pitti on Monday
[10:43] <Fujitsu> I can see why it's doing it... But it should have affected other packages.
[10:43] <imbrandon> btw wth is XS*- ?
[10:43] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: X = extended. S = put in .dsc. B = put in DEBIAN/control in .deb.
[10:44] <Fujitsu> And I'm not sure about the C bit.
[10:44] <Fujitsu> Changes, perhaps.
[10:44] <supervillain> Hello, I'm trying to build squid-prefetch, but I got "cp: cannot stat `debian/{postinst,prerm,postrm}': No such file or directory"
[10:44] <Fujitsu> supervillain: That is one of the dreaded bashisms. *jarring chord*
[10:44] <crimsun> ls -l /bin/sh
[10:44] <imbrandon> bashism in rules ?
[10:45] <crimsun> yes, {,} is a bashism
[10:45] <supervillain> how do I convert it to dash?
[10:45] <crimsun> e.g., list them separately
[10:46] <imbrandon> change debian/{postinst,prerm,postrm} to debian/postinst \n debian/prerm \n etc etc etc
[10:47] <supervillain> any reason why squid don't have visible_hostname checker in postinst? Since, most of the people when squid install, it's asking to use visible_hostname $HOSTNAME
[10:47] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Your vlc upload must be the first one to use a non-*ubuntu* new maintainer since dpkg-dev started enforcing the new rules
[10:47] <crimsun> Fujitsu: that's what it looks like
[10:49] <supervillain> thanks for the bashism tip.
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya
[03:27] <lionel> hi bddebian
[03:28] <bddebian> Hello lionel
[04:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ping
[04:19] <imbrandon> ( or any other mono packagers arround )
[04:42] <nixternal> imbrandon: you get a chance to check out that debdiff? Would it be easier to create a security bug for this, and then attach my debdiffs to them?
[04:44] <keescook> nixternal: sure, it could help coordination.  I can check them/upload them too.
[04:44] <imbrandon> nixternal, yes
[04:44] <imbrandon> heya keescook 
[04:44] <imbrandon> brbr afk
[04:44] <keescook> hiya imbrandon 
[04:57] <nixternal> keescook: is there a recommended way of creating the bug that you would like to see?
[04:58] <keescook> nixternal: the "fullest" way to do it would be to fill it out like normal, then link the CVEs, and flag it as security.
[04:58] <nixternal> roger
[04:58] <keescook> then attach the debdiffs, and if it's in universe, subscribe motu-swat
[04:58] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder if they even created CVEs for it
[04:59] <keescook> nixternal: I can go hunt those down (or get them assigned) too.  what package is it again?
[04:59] <nixternal> ktorrent
[04:59] <keescook> right!  :)
[05:00] <keescook> once I see the debdiffs, I should be able to find/request a CVE
[05:00] <nixternal> I have one debdiff, let me link you really quick
[05:01] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/pkg/ktorrent/edgy/ktorrent_edgy.debdiff
[05:02] <keescook> cool.  was there a KDE news item about this?  (also, for changelogs, check out the templates and versioning styles here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures )
[05:02] <nixternal> it isn't a very serious security issue, but from what I seen code wise, they ensure that the chunk file isn't corrupted, and then with versions <2.1.2 .. in the filename was allowed
[05:02] <nixternal> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=117346514411140&w=2
[05:02] <nixternal> just the announcement
[05:03] <nixternal> so someone could name or place a file in a torrent and have it write to ../../foo/bar/, so unless they were root it wouldn't wipe system files, but it could damage user configuration files
[05:03] <keescook> eewww.  yeah, hadn't seen that before.  I'll request a CVE.
[05:03] <nixternal> rock on!
[05:04] <nixternal> I will do the Dapper and Breezy debdiffs here shortly
[05:04] <keescook> where did you get the patch from?  I'm trying to get a "fuller" description that I can use for the CVE request.  was anything useful in the svn commits?
[05:05] <nixternal> nothing, the svn commit comments say the same exact thing as the ML did
[05:06] <keescook> "security issue" heh.
[05:06] <keescook> so, the ".." is obvious to me, but any idea what the 2nd vulns was?
[05:06] <nixternal> myself and jdong already told them they need better changelogs because they  make it tough for us to get it fixed and accepted
[05:06] <nixternal> keescook: your guess is as good as mine on the other ones
[05:06] <keescook> good call.  :)
[05:06] <keescook> heh
[05:06] <nixternal> let me link you to the svn comments
[05:07] <nixternal> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/libktorrent/torrent/
[05:07] <nixternal> chunkcounter.cpp, peer.cpp, and torrent.cpp
[05:07] <nixternal> haha
[05:07] <nixternal> Fix 2 security vulnerabilities, both were discovered by Bryan Burns of Juniper Networks
[05:07] <nixternal> lovely
[05:11] <keescook> nixternal: so, for example, especially since there isn't a CVE for this yet, in the References section of the changelogs, add the upstream changeset URL:
[05:11] <keescook> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=640661
[05:12] <keescook> oh! I see the problem, idx could be negative (DoS, heap corruption)
[05:12] <nixternal> oh ya, didn't even catch that with the -- cnt
[05:12] <keescook> yeow, or too big.
[05:13] <imbrandon> hum whats the sru policy on "just needs a rebuild" ?
[05:13] <keescook> imbrandon: dunno, good question.
[05:15] <imbrandon> heh
[05:15] <teardrop> hellow
[05:16] <tsmithe> hi
[05:17] <imbrandon> hello teardrop 
[05:17] <teardrop> i need help to configure mi wirelees 
[05:17] <teardrop> who can help me plz
[05:17] <imbrandon> teardrop, #ubuntu is for general support
[05:17] <teardrop> yeah but i need onli numbers of directions ip that
[05:22] <nixternal> keescook: that main.cpp file only adds recognition to the guy who found it, I don't need to add that to the patch as well do I?
[05:23] <keescook> nixternal: correct, I'd prefer it's left out to make the patch smaller.  :)
[05:23] <nixternal> seeing as that isn't part of the security issue :)
[05:23] <nixternal> whew, good :)
[05:23] <keescook> right.  :)
[05:24] <nixternal> * debian/patches/kubuntu_02_security_fix.diff - http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=640661
[05:24] <nixternal> that is what I added to the changelog, cool?
[05:24] <nixternal> add a quick explanation as well?
[05:25] <keescook> right, see the SUP url I pasted earlier.  there's a template in there
[05:25] <nixternal> err, ya I am looking dead at it ;)
[05:25] <keescook> oh! heh
[05:26] <keescook> so usually I'll put the svn changeset into References, and just say "backported upstream fix" for the patch line
[05:26] <nixternal> OK
[05:27] <keescook> let me know when you've got the bug report ready, and I'll link to it for the CVE request email I'm writing.
[05:28] <nixternal> let me do that now
[05:28] <teardrop> any speack spanish can help me :( plz
[05:29] <tsmithe> !es > teardrop 
[05:29] <dsas> is the process to get a debdiff reviewed and uploaded simply "assign bug to motureviewers" ?
[05:32] <Adri2000> dsas: assign to ubuntu-universe-sponsors ;)
[05:32] <Adri2000> and hi everyone :)
[05:32] <keescook> hiya Adri2000 
[05:33] <dsas> Adri2000: in that case https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs is out of date.
[05:36] <lionel> hi Adri2000 !
[05:36] <Adri2000> hey lionel :)
[05:36] <dsas> I just fixed it :)
[05:36] <Adri2000> dsas: ok, cool :
[05:36] <Adri2000> :)
[05:38] <nixternal> keescook: bug 91174
[05:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91174 in ktorrent "KTorrent security issue with releases <2.1.2 (Breezy - Feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91174
[05:38] <keescook> nixternal: cool!  thanks.
[05:44] <nixternal> keescook: I will put some debdiffs up there in a few. I need to redo the Edgy debdiff to be a .1 revision in the changelog as well as fix the Maintainer to Core Dev and not MOTU
[05:44] <keescook> nixternal: cool, thanks.
[05:46] <imbrandon> keescook, write me a howto on setting it up and i'll get them going on the community build machines ;)
[05:46] <nixternal> imbrandon: haha, I was going to say the same thing, but to use locally :)
[05:47] <keescook> imbrandon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto
[05:47] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/hello.aspx
[05:47] <keescook> nixternal: you made a 2nd bug?
[05:48] <nixternal> huh?
[05:48] <nixternal> I made one boog
[05:48] <keescook> https://launchpad.net/bugs/91174 just appeared too
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91174 in ktorrent "KTorrent security issue with releases <2.1.2 (Breezy - Feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:48] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:48] <nixternal> interesting
[05:48] <keescook> imbrandon: the important bit is http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/scripts/mk-sbuild-lv.sh
[05:48] <nixternal> beta.lp boog?
[05:49] <keescook> that script does everything  :)
[05:49] <imbrandon> keescook, rockin
[05:50] <imbrandon> apache2 rocks , aspx , php , python , perl all on the same website ;)
[05:50] <nixternal> keescook: that is odd. I will just reject 74 and leave 72 open since you started working on it :)
[05:50] <keescook> nixternal: okay, cool.
[05:51] <nixternal> done
[05:53] <keescook> nixternal: aagh.  I sent the 91174 for the CVE request.  I'll dup it and go back to using 91172.  
[05:53] <nixternal> lol
[05:53] <nixternal> I apologize for my double post (finger fumbling)
[05:54] <keescook> if I could type/read, I'd be dangerous
[05:54] <nixternal> same here :)
[05:54] <nixternal> KTorrent devs need to learn how to "document" properly
[05:54] <nixternal> jeesh, you have to trace everything back just to figure out what it "could" be
[06:00] <nixternal> edgy fix attached
[06:01] <keescook> heh, 91174 is the "primary" now.  sorry I messed that all up.
[06:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:58] <keescook> nixternal: we've got CVEs.  :)  CVE-2007-1384 CVE-2007-1385 (they'll be visible after they sync)
[07:04] <_MMA_> Hey guys. How does the versioning on packages work for bug fixes?
[07:04] <_MMA_> I have to fix something in the ubuntustudio metas.
[07:05] <ivoks> what's the actual version?
[07:05] <ivoks> and what ubuntu release?
[07:06] <ivoks> which
[07:06] <_MMA_> .1 Feisty
[07:06] <ivoks> .1?
[07:06] <ivoks> whole version
[07:06] <_MMA_> Thats what we made it.
[07:06] <ivoks> ubuntustudio-audio_0.1
[07:06] <_MMA_> joejaxx: ping
[07:07] <ivoks> then it's ubuntustudio-audio_0.2
[07:07] <ivoks> you can add additional changes and then release it
[07:07] <_MMA_> And for a bug-fix thats fine?
[07:07] <joejaxx> ok
[07:08] <ivoks> yes
[07:08] <_MMA_> Ok. Thanx.
[07:09] <joejaxx> ivoks: thanks
[07:09] <ivoks> np
[07:58] <pirast> could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814?
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90814 in asterisk "[UPLOAD]  New Asterisk release 1.2.16" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90814
[08:04] <rdw200169> Ubuntu is dying for an easy to use firewall app...  that works
[08:05] <rdw200169> Is there any work being done to replace Firestarter for ease of use and functionality?
[08:07] <Laser_away> well, I don't know of any. But you could ask the Firestarter people about features
[08:07] <pirast> rdw200169, why use a firewall? or for what?
[08:07] <pirast> rdw200169, ubuntu comes with a no ports open policy, at least for edgy afaik
[08:08] <Laser_away> pirast: there first thing a lot of people do is open up a bunch of ports ;-)
[08:08] <Laser_away> *the
[08:09] <pirast> mhm k thats right
[08:10] <ivoks> it's not
[08:10] <ivoks> what ports do people open?
[08:10] <rdw200169> exactly
[08:11] <Laser_away> printing, avahi
[08:11] <ivoks> last thing i want is tome sort of norton firewall that doesn't work
[08:11] <ivoks> or makes any communication impossible
[08:11] <Laser_away> I suppose a fair amount end up laying with ssh, http, ..
[08:11] <Laser_away> s/laying/playing/
[08:12] <ivoks> people who install web server should know what they are doing :)
[08:12] <rdw200169> yup
[08:12] <ivoks> i have web server and is open :)
[08:12] <rdw200169> but isn't the goal of ubuntu to make things easy?
[08:12] <rdw200169> OS X makes it very easy
[08:12] <ivoks> rdw200169: yes, it is...
[08:12] <rdw200169> and i think ubuntu should too
[08:13] <ivoks> rdw200169: do you use firewall on osx?
[08:13] <rdw200169> but still be, overzealously, secure
[08:13] <rdw200169> absolutely
[08:13] <ivoks> for what?
[08:13] <ivoks> firewall on osx is close/open
[08:14] <ivoks> it's better to have services listen on localhost, don't you think?
[08:14] <rdw200169> i'm a firewall junkie, running a linux router as an ISP for 25 users currently
[08:14] <ivoks> hehe i'm running firewalls for >300 users :)
[08:15] <rdw200169> yes, but you have to turn on services to allow ssh, etc...
[08:15] <ivoks> i agree
[08:15] <rdw200169> not if you want to run a samba share, or ftp, whatever, locally
[08:15] <rdw200169> i wish..
[08:15] <ivoks> where's the logic in opening ssh but then firewalling it?
[08:16] <ivoks> this is how OSX does it
[08:16] <ivoks> it's open or closed
[08:16] <rdw200169> i'm in iraq right now, providing internet for some of my peers, for a price of course
[08:16] <Laser_away> ivoks: the idea is you can use the firewall and only open what you need
[08:17] <Laser_away> some people will use it, others won't
[08:17] <Laser_away> but it seems like a nice tool to have
[08:17] <Laser_away> I think especially in the future
[08:17] <ivoks> Laser_away: i just don't logic in installing services and then firewalling it
[08:17] <ivoks> Laser_away: it's better to not install it in first place, right? :)
[08:17] <Laser_away> ah
[08:17] <ivoks> ah well...
[08:17] <Laser_away> but that assumes the user knows what they are doing ;-)
[08:18] <rdw200169> exaclty
[08:18] <Laser_away> in the future people will be installing all kinds of stuff
[08:18] <Laser_away> they'll need a tool to see what's going on
[08:18] <ivoks> ok, then we should have everything closed on start
[08:18] <ivoks> and then pick what to open
[08:18] <rdw200169> hackers?
[08:19] <man-di> isnt running services and closing access to them like wasting resources?
[08:19] <ivoks> man-di: i agree :)
[08:19] <ivoks> man-di: (my point exactlly)
[08:19] <Laser_away> ivoks: that's essential what a firewall does
[08:19] <rdw200169> which one, the hacker, or the user?
[08:19] <ivoks> it's different with windows
[08:19] <Laser_away> close off everything, then choose what you want to open
[08:19] <rdw200169> they are right now
[08:19] <ivoks> windows open ports by default
[08:19] <man-di> ivoks: they did in the past but do they still?
[08:19] <ivoks> user doesn't have to install anything; one gets OS with open ports
[08:20] <ivoks> man-di: not in 2003, but yes in XP
[08:20] <man-di> ivoks: XP = past (for me)
[08:20] <rdw200169> or, lets say someone wants to install Apache2 to run a webserver, and a popup asks if they want to open that port
[08:20] <ivoks> and one thing... windows doesn't have sockets
[08:21] <ivoks> rdw200169: i think that should be easily done with dbus
[08:21] <ivoks> but i would prefere having apache installed listening only on localhost
[08:21] <rdw200169> ...
[08:21] <ivoks> same goes for postfix, dovecot, etc...
[08:22] <ivoks> this is better than having listen = * and then firewalling
[08:22] <rdw200169> then what good are those services?
[08:22] <ivoks> rdw200169: whata good are they if they are firewalled? :)
[08:22] <man-di> ivoks: IMO this could be asked on installation with debconf
[08:22] <ivoks> man-di: ubuntu has zero questions policy
[08:22] <man-di> ivoks: if you want only localhost it gets enabled
[08:22] <man-di> oh
[08:23] <man-di> I'm only a Debian Java maintainer wanting to join Ubuntu to make Java in Ubuntu better
[08:23] <man-di> zero questions is good for desktop uses
[08:23] <man-di> users
[08:23] <man-di> probably not so good for server users
[08:23] <man-di> but I dont wanna start a discussion about this yet
[08:26] <ivoks> make java * better
[08:27] <ivoks> :D
[08:27] <ivoks> sorry
[08:27] <ivoks> man-di: no question is good for server too (look at redhat), but only if by default services (except ssh) listen only on localhost
[08:28] <rdw200169> i'm picturing something, as a firewall tool, that would work with, or be a part of, the network administration tool
[08:28] <rdw200169> since they're all related
[08:30] <ivoks> and not enabled by default
[08:30] <ivoks> ubuntu already has quite a number of pop-ups
[08:30] <ivoks> :)
[08:33] <dsas> people just hit "yeah ok let it use the internet" anyway, anything to make the pop-up stops.
[08:34] <ivoks> right
[08:35] <pirast> could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814?
[08:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90814 in asterisk "[UPLOAD]  New Asterisk release 1.2.16" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90814
[08:39] <ivoks> pirast: only changelog?
[08:39] <pirast> ivoks, yeah
[08:39] <ivoks> pirast: you didn't add ubuntu changes first time?
[08:40] <ivoks> :)
[08:40] <pirast> the ubuntu1 upload is in the archives
[08:40] <pirast> in that i removed older ubuntu changes
[08:41] <pirast> ivoks, that diff adds the removed old ubuntu changes.
[08:41] <ivoks> i see
[08:43] <ivoks> i'll do it, but later...
[08:43] <ivoks> ok?
[08:44] <pirast> ivoks, yeah, thanks :)
[08:47] <joejaxx> how is everyone? :)
[08:53] <tsmithe> grrreeaaa^Wangry
[09:24] <ivoks> pirast: uploaded
[10:08] <tarheelcoxn> hi. I'm looking at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001379.html
[10:09] <tarheelcoxn> I'm wondering if there's been talk in here about that, specifically about the wiki bits
[10:14] <pirast> ivoks, thx
[11:21] <pirast> Fujitsu, ping
[11:24] <Fujitsu> pirast: Yep?
[11:25] <pirast> Fujitsu, an Asterisk package fixing the changelog has just been uploaded.. you may want to have a look at it ;-)