[12:37] <lontra> are there kde 4 packages for feisty?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> not yet
[12:37] <Hobbsee> lontra: there are for edgy though
[12:37] <Hobbsee> afaik
[12:38] <lontra> hmm...i'm only running feisty though
[12:38] <lontra> they would probably behave ok
[12:38] <Hobbsee> lontra: actually, kde4 packages are going into feisty soonish.
[12:39] <lontra> Hobbsee: cool...for testing purposes right?
[12:39] <lontra> also does anyone know if there'll be an official kubuntu package of kickoff?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lontra: yes, testing
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lontra: probably not.  of course, if someone provides a package, that actually builds, then we'll look again
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lontra: we had trouble getting it to build
[12:43] <lontra> Hobbsee: yeah i talked with a DD about it and he said it's a strange package.  it is sure is slick though.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> lontra: did the DD manage to build it?
[12:45] <lontra> Hobbsee: no...he talked with the person who made a package and posted it on kde-look
[12:45] <lontra> they made a kubuntu package for it
[12:45] <Hobbsee> they made a kubuntu *binary* for it, yes.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> ubuntu accepts sources, nto binaries
[12:48] <lontra> Hobbsee: yeah
[12:48] <lontra> i know
[12:48] <Hobbsee> lontra: it appears to try to find a file which doenst exist in kde - or nto easily findable, anyway.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> and fail, because it cant find it
[12:52] <lontra> it involves patching of kdelibs...iirc
[12:53] <Hobbsee> with what, though?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> you'd have to ask tonio_ for more info, when he gets back, seeing as he was the one working on it
[12:56] <lontra> Hobbsee: i'm not sure...that's what pusling in #debian-kde told me
[12:58] <Hobbsee> lontra: ah right, so pusling was working on it
[12:58] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:59] <lontra> he looked at it...i'm not sure he was working on it...
[01:00] <Hobbsee> right
[01:00] <lontra> he told me to package it for debian :D
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :D woo!
[01:05] <Hobbsee> go on then!  :P
[01:07] <lontra> ha ha
[01:10] <lontra> Hobbsee: we'll see ... i'm still trying to figure out if i want to stick with kubuntu or run kde on debian.  i've only got one 7 GB partition so i can only have one or the other
[01:12] <Hobbsee> lontra: ahh.  a lot of it is common.  kubuntu's tends to get the newer releases in quickly, iirc.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> lontra: we've got a debian-kde team, who start in debian, and some kubuntu people have accoutns to it
[01:13] <Hobbsee> not sure if it's the same as the irc channel - may be called somewhere else
[01:13] <Hobbsee> er, something else
[02:25] <Hobbsee> yuriy: nice, thanks :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> heya manchicken_
[02:27] <yuriy> hi Hobbsee
[02:29] <yuriy> did that ever get to kubuntu-users?
[02:30] <yuriy> guess not
[02:31] <yuriy> i guess i gotta subscribe and resend :o
[02:32] <Hobbsee> yuriy: it got to -devel
[02:33] <Hobbsee> er....
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not subscribed to users at the moment...
[02:33] <yuriy> i got a rejected email from -users and awaiting mod approval from 3 other ones
[02:34] <yuriy> clearly my subscriptions aren't in shape to be makign announcements
[02:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:35] <Hobbsee> where'd you send them to?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> as in, k-devel, k-users, -motu
[02:36] <yuriy> kubuntu-devel, -users, ubuntu-motu, -bugsquad, -marketing
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ahh, i see
[02:39] <Hobbsee> it didnt
[02:39] <Hobbsee> yuriy: sent to bugsquad and users
[02:52] <yuriy> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:53] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:39] <ash211> can somebody please help me with bug 91229 ?
[03:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91229 in amarok "[feisty]  Amarok doesn't read vorbis tags" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91229
[03:39] <ash211> We've tried recompiling amarok and libtag, but still no help
[05:08] <manchicken> Riddell: ping
[05:09] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You know of any important bugs in adept needing fixing?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: havent looked, sorry
[05:11] <manchicken> okie dokie
[05:11] <manchicken> I'm bored
[05:36] <manchicken> Can anybody still replicate bug #87046?
[05:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87046 in adept "Crash when 'details' is clicked" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87046
[05:39] <Hobbsee> checking
[05:41] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'm still getting the crash on update (presumably to a new release)
[05:41] <manchicken> Interesting.
[05:42] <manchicken> When looking at the details thing?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> didnt even get there
[05:42] <manchicken> Weird.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> i said to check for updates, then it got most of them, downloaded the changelog thing, then crashed.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> with adept_updater
[05:49] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i cant reproduce the crashign in details though, in adept-manager
[05:50] <manchicken> w00t
[05:50] <manchicken> someone else fixed it.
[05:50] <manchicken> heh
[05:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:50] <manchicken> Riddell will know who did that.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:52] <Hobbsee> manchicken: how abotu fixing https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/48627 ?
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[06:02] <manchicken> :(
[06:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: take out the beta.
[06:13] <manchicken_> Yeah, I did.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you can always sign up for teh beta lp team, btw
[06:41] <aj_> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused...what does this mean exactly?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what state is the upgrader in?  ie, does it need further testing yet?
[10:56] <Jucato> hm.... Hobbsee you around?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[10:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: just wondering, is it normal that kde metapackages aren't included the kubuntu.org KDE updates?
[10:57] <Jucato> hehehe from jsgotangco?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[10:59] <Jucato> oh... I think that's causing some problems w/ the dist-upgrade, for example, if kde-devel metapackage is installed
[10:59] <Jucato> er... wait.. was that "yes" about the metapackages for about the picture? :D
[10:59] <Jucato> sorry just woke up eheheh
[11:01] <fdoving> oh nice. kmix has a 'middle-click on tray-icon to toggle mute'.
[11:02] <Jucato> :)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes to the picture questoin
[11:07] <Jucato> hm... the dist-upgrade tool doesn't start...
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: um...not sure
[11:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: from edgy?  run it from konsole, and see if it gives you an error about nto being able to connect to the display
[11:08] <Jucato> ok
[11:09] <Jucato> can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE
[11:09] <Jucato> btw I used this repo since I have KDE 3.5.6 installed: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/ ./
[11:12] <Jucato> are we supposed to install update-manager for it to work?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> i'm...not sure
[11:14] <Jucato> I probably better wait for monday...
[11:14] <Jucato> which means I won't be able to participate in the bug week...
[11:15] <Hobbsee> you can run a standard dist-upgrade thru the console
[11:16] <Jucato> yeah... but I was hoping to test-run the dist-upgrade tool as well
[11:23] <Hobbsee> multiple partitions?
[11:24] <Jucato> hm?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> as in, run kubuntu on multiple partitions - dist-upgrade oen, and keep the other
[11:24] <Jucato> ah ok.. I will try
[11:24] <Jucato> hehe go do dishes :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> dont have the motivation to
[11:25] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:25] <Jucato> it's not an absolute necessity. blogging I mean :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:26] <Jucato> which is one reason I keep putting off adding myself to Planet ubuntu :D
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:47] <Lure> Jucato: just run it as written on KubuntuDistUpgrade page
[11:49] <Hobbsee> heya Lure
[11:49] <Lure> hi Hobbsee - nice to have another Kubunut blogger
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: :)
[11:49] <Lure> Kubuntu even  ;-)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> kubunut...nice :)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's even a semi-decent picture too - yay :P
[11:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: I am sure nixternal will make you hackergothci ;-)
[11:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: you might even get a hat like Riddell ;-)
[11:52] <Hobbsee> argh!  no!
[11:53] <toma> Hobbsee has a blog?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> toma: yes.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> toma: rumour suggests this to be true
[11:54] <toma> but your not on planet kubuntu
[11:54] <Hobbsee> toma: i'm on planet ubuntu
[11:54] <toma> hmm
[11:54] <toma> i dont read that often, its usually off topic
[11:54] <Hobbsee> toma: as in the .de one?
[11:54] <toma> yeah
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:55] <Hobbsee> toma: mainly because i didnt think of it
[11:55] <Hobbsee> feel free to put it there
[11:58] <toma> rsibreak is package of the day!!!!
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yep!  :D
[12:00] <Hobbsee> toma: unlikely.  outside is scary
[12:26] <Jucato> Lure: I did follow the KubuntuDIstUpgrade page...
[12:27] <Lure> Jucato: does it work for you?
[12:27] <Jucato> Lure: unfortunately, no...
[12:27] <Lure> :-(
[12:27] <Jucato> at first I thought it was because of some held back package... but that seemed to be another matter entirely
[12:29] <Jucato> The error that I get at the end when when I run adept_manager from Konsole is "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE"
[12:30] <Lure> Jucato: that sounds like bad update-manager package on soyuz
[12:30] <Jucato> so I guess I'll have to wait till Monday :)
[12:30] <Jucato> btw, I'm using the repo for those who have KDE 3.5.6 already
[12:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol! I just read that as "USB on a stick" :D
[12:32] <Lure> Jucato: she likes to write about sticks
[12:32] <Jucato> rofl :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hah
[12:33] <mhb> morning
[12:33] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[12:33] <Lure> auch
[12:34] <Jucato> hi mhb!
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: maybe a part of UDS
[12:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, that might be nice spec for UDS ;-)
[12:35] <mhb> Lure: auch was?
[12:35] <Jucato> lol :)
[12:35] <Lure> mhb: [12:33]  * Hobbsee beats Lure with a herring
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Lure: *grin*
[12:36] <mhb> Lure: oh, you meant "ouch", not "auch"
[12:36] <Lure> Hobbsee: you will go to UDS in Spain?
[12:36] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you know who else is coming?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes, i plan to.  not sure who else is coming
[12:37] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:37] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, so I expect you to write us some specs so that we have something to do for feisty+1 ;-)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: i'll write, and you can code them - does that sound good?
[12:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: fine with me ;-)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> you, meaning "you all"
[12:39] <mhb> speaking of specs
[12:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: of course, "you personally" I expect the ThePointyStickOfDoom spec
[12:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is for kwwii to implement
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ahh
[12:40] <mhb> Qt4 is available as GPL for Windows too, am I correct?
[12:40] <Lure> mhb: right
[12:40] <Jucato> mhb: yes
[12:40] <Lure> mhb: and MacOSX
[12:41] <Jucato> is there a place to sort of submit/file wishlists?
[12:44] <mhb> hmm, so we could code some nice mini-apps/wizards for Windows and include them on the CD, such as "repair GRUB after Windows install" or "create Kubuntu Live USB pen drive" ...
[12:44] <Hobbsee> mhb: if it fit on a pen drive, yes.
[12:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: easily, if the pen drive is 1GB+
[12:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: there are howtos on the net
[12:46] <mhb> Hobbsee: those were only examples - but if we plan to ship Windows stuff on the CD, some useful wizards like that could be handy
[12:46] <Hobbsee> indeed
[12:47] <Hobbsee> mhb: you offering to write them?
[12:47] <Jucato> hm... hope they won't cause a space issue again :)
[12:57] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[12:58] <Hobbsee> freeflying: it's sunday.
[12:58] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I c, but qt-3.3.8 have problems with CJK characters display
[12:59] <Hobbsee> never the less, he's probably not watching irc, as it's a sunday, and most people dont work on sundays
[12:59] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I've tested it this whole day, can not make it display them correctly, and this was found under archlinux and gentoo too
[01:04] <mhb> Hobbsee: I can do the UI part, not sure about the backends
[01:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: the backends would require some Windows programming experience, which I lack
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahhh...
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: presumably all one would need to do would be to say "run grub install" or something
[01:23] <mhb> Hobbsee: it depends ... I will start the spec (we can dismiss it later) but we need to decide how many (and what) tools we will implement
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:24] <mhb> Hobbsee: I can do the analysis on how much "low-level" Windows experience is necessary, but only after I know what tools do we want :o)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:36] <_StefanS_> hi there
[03:37] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_
[03:37] <_StefanS_> hey juCo
[06:18] <Riddell> manchicken_: you pinged?
[06:24] <lontra> the kde4 packages in feisty are safe to install along side the kde 3.5.6 packages?  i.e. it won't bork kde 3.5.6
[06:25] <Tm_T> lontra: Should _NOT_ ever do that.
[06:26] <Tm_T> If does, there's something badly wrong.
[06:26] <lontra> They install to /usr/lib/kde4 and can be installed alongside your existing KDE 3.   <--- ???
[06:26] <lontra> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[06:30] <Tm_T> As I said...
[06:30] <nixternal> you mean for Edgy correct? or is there a Feisty package now?
[06:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: Shouldn't matter.
[06:35] <lontra> Tm_T: so it'll break my kde 3?  i was just interested in testing it...i realize it's no where near usable
[06:37] <Tm_T> lontra: No, I repeat, it should _NOT_ ever do that.
[06:38] <Tm_T> lontra: Your KDE3 is safe.
[06:38] <Tm_T> Right?
[06:38] <lontra> ok...so it's safe to install the kde 4 packages :)
[06:39] <lontra> are the oxygen icons in the kde4 packages in feisty?
[06:46] <nixternal> lontra: not yet
[06:46] <nixternal> ^^ Oxygen Icons that is
[06:47] <nixternal> the KDE 4 snapshots are still to broken to do much with except for development/testing purposes
[06:47] <nixternal> now that the oxygen icons have been moved into kdelibs/kdebase (can't remember), they should be in future snapshots I am guessing
[06:47] <marseillai> oxygen and strigi
[06:48] <marseillai> and strigi breaks kdelibs
[06:48] <nixternal> yes, :) forgot about strigi, sorry
[06:49] <lontra> strigi is a replacement for beagle right?
[06:50] <marseillai> lontra: beagle is a gnome project
[06:50] <lontra> but kerry is uses beagle currently
[06:50] <marseillai> wich use C, mono and many memory
[06:51] <marseillai> strigi is totally diffrent and has been choose by kde to be the kde4 indexer
[06:51] <lontra> will kerry be the frontend for it?
[06:51] <marseillai> no many chance for that
[06:52] <marseillai> lontra: for the moment there is no front end and strigi works with a so different way from beagle so kerry can't be port so easily
[06:52] <lontra> ah
[06:53] <lontra> well i look forward to tinkering with the kde4 packages in feisty
[08:16] <mhb> evening
[08:17] <fdoving> evenin'
[08:22] <lontra> now just get those fuzzy fonts out of openoffice.org 2.2 :)
[08:40] <nixternal> Riddell: are you still on limited internet?
[08:40] <lontra> hrm...saving a file with konqueror tries to default to /root/ as a save location ...
[08:52] <nixternal> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/86837
[08:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86837 in kubuntu-docs "[Feisty]  Links incorrect on Konqi main page" [High,Confirmed] 
[08:52] <nixternal> whoever works on kdebase, that bug needs to be fixed prior to release ^^
[09:21] <nixternal> Riddell: I am rebuilding the kubuntu-docs package for feisty to remove the "review" status from the headers so there won't be the silly DRAFT image across the docs, and I generated the pot files
[09:22] <nixternal> so when LP opens for translations we will be right on track
[09:28] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Just found these two: There is no documentation available for /kubuntu/desktopguide/index.html.
[09:29] <rbrunhuber> nixternal:  There is no documentation available for /kubuntu/krelease-notes/index.html.
[09:31] <marseillai> i've many crashe with arts1-xine under feisty
[09:41] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: did you click on the links in Konqueror?
[09:41] <nixternal> there is already a bug to have those replaced
[09:42] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Yes they are links in konqueror.
[09:42] <nixternal> ya, those need to be replaced yet. Those will have to wait for Riddell I believe since that is in kdebase
[09:42] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Sorry did not search for the bug, because just triaging other bugs and launchpad is too slow
[10:02] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/
[10:02] <nixternal> NOW the Kubuntu docs are ready for upload and translations
[10:06] <nixternal> \sh_away: you sexy beast :) nice blog post there ;p
[10:29] <mhb> nixternal: link? :o)
[10:36] <nixternal> planet.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <mhb> thank you