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| ddaa | beuno: I hope you'll get feedback and have a chance to elaborate on this :) | 03:11 |
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| beuno | ddaa: well, you could get the ball rolling... ;) | 03:12 |
| ddaa | I marked the email. I'll wait for a while to see what other people have to say :) | 03:13 |
| beuno | heh, ok ok | 03:13 |
| beuno | you think I should of elaborated more? I didn't want to make it look too long | 03:13 |
| ddaa | well, that's not how I would have written it... | 03:14 |
| ddaa | the main message I get out of this mail is "this user is very excited about the forums and positive about launchpad" | 03:14 |
| ddaa | which I do not think actually the message you meant to convey :) | 03:15 |
| beuno | hmmm, interesting point of view | 03:15 |
| beuno | I probablu over-sold the forums, but I guess it's because I feel developers are so agresive against them | 03:16 |
| ddaa | you are actually proposing some concrete features, linking forums threads and ubuntu objects (bug? answers? I do not remember) | 03:17 |
| ddaa | but it takes some effort to actually find them in this message | 03:17 |
| beuno | yes, specific examples | 03:17 |
| beuno | you would be viewing a thread in the forum, and could see right on there what bugs relate to it, and if they're open ore closed | 03:17 |
| ddaa | on the other hands, there was a couple of good points | 03:18 |
| beuno | so you would know if you land on a thread 3 months later that it's solved without going through 16 pages | 03:18 |
| ddaa | such as "don't put forums in launchpad, but link to them" and "you do not have to read the forums, let users do the linking" | 03:18 |
| beuno | and by having that information already, you would be able to view in launchpad itself what threads relate to that bug, so it would be a win-win situation | 03:18 |
| beuno | yeah, I tried to stress the fact that it's users who would do the work, and not devs | 03:19 |
| ddaa | actually, I think there was actually two messages there "forums are important", the google fact is very significant. | 03:19 |
| ddaa | and "they should be linked with launchpad" | 03:19 |
| beuno | the phrase "Integrate launchpad into the forums, not the other way around" was carefully crafted | 03:20 |
| ddaa | it did not actually made a lot of sense to me... | 03:20 |
| ddaa | too clever maybe | 03:20 |
| beuno | well, you started off the conversation yesterday with a hitler analogy, so I'll let that one slide, hehehe | 03:21 |
| ddaa | Actually, now that I'm talking to you, I see what you meant. | 03:21 |
| ddaa | did I say something about hitler? :) | 03:21 |
| ddaa | I just mentioned something about democratic elections... I do not actually remember the name of that guy :) | 03:21 |
| beuno | I looked it up ;) | 03:22 |
| beuno | read through decades of german history | 03:22 |
| beuno | anyway, I hope it's enough to atract some attention | 03:22 |
| ddaa | I'm sometimes disappointed by how little launchpad devs give attention to user messages, but I'll reactive the thread if it goes unnoticed | 03:24 |
| ddaa | us attention-deficit developers sometimes need multiple stimuli | 03:24 |
| beuno | great to know, maybe that's all it takes, a small "maybe he's not entirely crazy" | 03:25 |
| ddaa | right, exactly | 03:25 |
| beuno | I do understand on the other hand there must be hundreds of whacky ideas from very... frenetic users | 03:25 |
| beuno | and that does tend to make you ignore them | 03:25 |
| ddaa | no that much actually | 03:25 |
| beuno | no? I figured launchpad would atract a lot of attention | 03:27 |
| ddaa | I guess we're just good at redirecting disorientated users in the general direction of the ubuntu folks :) | 03:27 |
| beuno | hahah, well, congrats on that! | 03:28 |
| ddaa | I think there's actually very few people who actually "get" launchpad outside of the core. | 03:28 |
| beuno | well, I think unless you actually do dev work, and have used other bug trackers like bugzilla, it's pretty hard to grasp the concept | 03:29 |
| ddaa | cannot blame them, it takes a week or two of solid face time for new employees to get it, too | 03:29 |
| beuno | although you guys have gone a long way extending it to specification building, translatios, support... | 03:30 |
| ddaa | actually... bug-branches-packages-translations was planned from the start | 03:30 |
| ddaa | specs and support are late additions | 03:31 |
| beuno | I particularly love the specs part | 03:32 |
| ddaa | I guess bug tracking is the most mature because it's the bit that has the least complex interactions with wild data out there | 03:32 |
| ddaa | funny you mention that | 03:33 |
| ddaa | I had the impression that ubuntu community folks are big on the spec tracker | 03:33 |
| ddaa | but mainly because of how it's used in the ubuntu development process | 03:33 |
| beuno | well, it makes all the information so much more visible | 03:34 |
| ddaa | I'm just wondering how much is really about the tool | 03:35 |
| beuno | have any other big project caught on on using launchpad yet? | 03:35 |
| ddaa | and how much is actually about the ubuntu process | 03:35 |
| ddaa | define, "other", "big" and "caught" :) | 03:35 |
| beuno | well, for me it's pretty hard to seperate launchpad from Ubuntu | 03:35 |
| beuno | hahah | 03:35 |
| beuno | other = non-ubuntu big = over 1000 user base caught on = using it | 03:36 |
| ddaa | well... not counting launchpad | 03:37 |
| ddaa | there's bzr... | 03:37 |
| ddaa | but it's from the same company | 03:37 |
| ddaa | drupal | 03:37 |
| ddaa | there's actually a bunch of products using the bug tracker | 03:37 |
| ddaa | and real bunch using the translations... | 03:37 |
| beuno | drupal is on launchpad? | 03:37 |
| Fujitsu | There's SchoolTool (but that's also Canonical). | 03:38 |
| Fujitsu | Isn't Zope looking at it? | 03:38 |
| ddaa | not Canonical | 03:38 |
| Fujitsu | Gah. | 03:38 |
| Fujitsu | Shuttleworth Foundation, similar thing. | 03:38 |
| ddaa | I think Schooltool is funded by the Shuttleworth Foundation | 03:38 |
| Fujitsu | Yep, that's right. | 03:38 |
| beuno | yes, I was going for non-canonical products, which I expect have to use it by default | 03:38 |
| ddaa | Canonical is for-profit, no the Shuttleworth Foundation. It's a pretty big difference :) | 03:39 |
| Fujitsu | But they're rather related. | 03:39 |
| ddaa | mh... drupal is not on malone... | 03:39 |
| ddaa | no translations... | 03:40 |
| Fujitsu | GnomeBaker uses Rosetta, doesn't it? | 03:40 |
| ddaa | okay I'm confused | 03:40 |
| ddaa | I think GnomeBaker is dead | 03:40 |
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| beuno | ok ok, I see, it's a bit spread out for now | 03:41 |
| ddaa | there's planet | 03:45 |
| ddaa | https://beta.launchpad.net/planet/+bugs | 03:45 |
| ddaa | but not really a good candidate, since it's mostly from jdub... | 03:45 |
| beuno | haha, well, at least launchpad users like it enough to put there projects on it, that's a good start | 03:46 |
| ddaa | well, jdub was the original ubuntu community guy :) | 03:46 |
| beuno | ah, I did not know that | 03:47 |
| ddaa | cannot actually find a large project that I'm familiar with and is not closely tied with sabdfl in some way from the list of products that are marked as "official-malone"... | 03:48 |
| ddaa | there's some interest in the zope community yes | 03:48 |
| beuno | I remember participating in a python discussion when they where looking for a new bug tracker | 03:48 |
| ddaa | and maybe a few other large projects that I shall not disclose :) | 03:48 |
| beuno | but the "it's not open source" thing just kept on coming up | 03:49 |
| ddaa | I think it's a red herring really | 03:49 |
| ddaa | if they mean "we cannot run it ourselves", I'd prefer if they'd say it. | 03:49 |
| ddaa | since the code is not distributed, it does not make much sense to say whether it's free or not | 03:50 |
| ddaa | call me a nitpicker if you wish | 03:50 |
| beuno | yes, well, it's probably more or less that | 03:51 |
| beuno | they can't run it, they can't decide what features get implemented | 03:51 |
| beuno | I personally like launchpad more then anything else out there, but it's hard to argue with that | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | I think the issues are that the data is locked away, and there's no hope of implementing extra features. | 03:51 |
| ddaa | the latter actually comes from the former | 03:52 |
| Fujitsu | Not necessarily. | 03:53 |
| ddaa | Fujitsu: can you expand on this? | 03:53 |
| Fujitsu | You can have a model where there is a single instance of LP, with the data locked away, but with members of the community able to implement features. | 03:53 |
| Fujitsu | Rather than having the (somewhat smaller) LP developer group working on everything. | 03:54 |
| ddaa | point of order: we do not want to lock the data away, and if they ask, we'll be glad to give people a dump of there's data | 03:54 |
| Fujitsu | So the latter isn't caused by the former... | 03:54 |
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| ddaa | s/there's/their/ | 03:55 |
| Fujitsu | OK... | 03:55 |
| ddaa | I heard there's actually a bug export script that can be run on request. | 03:55 |
| Fujitsu | Interesting! | 03:56 |
| ddaa | and we actually have been meaning to expose the data more through feeds and apis, for a long while | 03:56 |
| ddaa | but it's never the most pressing feature to implement at any given time | 03:56 |
| Fujitsu | Whenever anybody brings that up, the response is `post-1.0'. | 03:56 |
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| Fujitsu | ddaa: But it would make our lives much nicer. | 03:57 |
| ddaa | Thing is, one of the new hires should start working on this soon. | 03:57 |
| ddaa | so, back on track... | 03:57 |
| Fujitsu | It's been coming soon for a couple of years now :) | 03:57 |
| ddaa | also, we can give access to the code under NDA | 03:58 |
| ddaa | at least one community member did it already, I do not think he actually contributed much | 03:58 |
| ddaa | but it's not advertised | 03:58 |
| ddaa | so please do not quote me on this | 03:58 |
| Fujitsu | I think it is mentioned on the FAQ. | 03:58 |
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| Hobbsee | interesting. | 03:59 |
| ddaa | I'm not convinced that releasing the code under a "you can see, you can touch, but you cannot use it" license would improve the situation... | 03:59 |
| Fujitsu | Probably not. | 04:00 |
| ddaa | and it's a system with a huge learning curve, and a very strict QA process... | 04:00 |
| Fujitsu | I can see why it should be kept in once instance, for sure. | 04:00 |
| beuno | ddaa: I agree, they would have to be able to use it, otherwise it's better to have good exporting tools | 04:00 |
| Fujitsu | I'd been thinking about how a multi-instance LP would work (sort of a web of trust), but it'd get really messy. | 04:01 |
| ddaa | Fujitsu: we've thought about it too | 04:01 |
| Fujitsu | It'd get messy, and there's a large potential for damage. | 04:01 |
| ddaa | like 1.5 year ago... | 04:01 |
| ddaa | there was discussion of federated launchpad... and we saw it was going to be a lot of trouble, and we already had our plates way overfull... | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | bzr and LP are an interesting contrast. bzr is all about decentralising, LP is the other way around. | 04:02 |
| ddaa | you can see it this way, yes | 04:03 |
| ddaa | another way to see it | 04:03 |
| ddaa | is bzr is all about enabling individuals to act | 04:03 |
| ddaa | and communicate more easily in code | 04:03 |
| Fujitsu | ddaa: And LP does that with products... | 04:03 |
| Fujitsu | I guess that's also a good view. | 04:03 |
| ddaa | and launchpad is all about enabling communities to communicate more easily in all sorts of ways | 04:04 |
| ddaa | and communities are defined by some centralize resources | 04:04 |
| ddaa | bug trackers, repositories, collections of documents | 04:04 |
| ddaa | mailing lists (soon!) | 04:05 |
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| Fujitsu | LP-integrated mailing lists sounds good. | 04:05 |
| beuno | I like the sound of that! | 04:05 |
| ddaa | actually the centralized/decentralized tension is built in processes surrounding DVCS | 04:06 |
| beuno | ddaa: any specifics on launchpad and emails lists integration? | 04:06 |
| ddaa | why do you think the guy who wrote Mailman is now a lp dev? :) | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | hehe, I didn't know that | 04:06 |
| ddaa | no specifics, just because I do not know :) | 04:06 |
| ddaa | fact is, teams are de-facto, ill-defined, crappy mailing lists | 04:07 |
| ddaa | so I'd expect barry is going to work on fixing that | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:08 |
| beuno | you have been very informative today ddaa :D | 04:08 |
| ddaa | hope I did make any career-limiting move :) | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | lol | 04:09 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 04:10 |
| beuno | of not, I'm sure you'll have plenty more opportunities :p | 04:11 |
| beuno | *id | 04:11 |
| beuno | uhm, "if" | 04:12 |
| ddaa | hehehe | 04:12 |
| ddaa | I still have more spam than job offers | 04:12 |
| ddaa | actually, I did not have any job offer, except from one guy I chatted with in Amsterdam | 04:12 |
| ddaa | who wanted me to fix the networking of the sound system in a concert haal | 04:13 |
| Fujitsu | What an odd job offer. | 04:14 |
| ddaa | odd guy... | 04:14 |
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| ddaa | that would be a good problem to have, I guess :) | 04:24 |
| beuno | lol | 04:25 |
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| mr-russ | is it a known issue that ubuntu launchpad always seems slow? | 07:15 |
| tonyyarusso | Are there any updates on a potential timeline estimate for the open-sourcing of LP? | 07:23 |
| Fujitsu | tonyyarusso: As always, indefinite. | 07:24 |
| tonyyarusso | Fujitsu: Dang. | 07:24 |
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| Fujitsu | tonyyarusso: We were having this discussion just a couple of hours ago. | 07:25 |
| tonyyarusso | Fujitsu: Any significant points raised I should be aware of? (or logs/minutes) | 07:25 |
| Fujitsu | Minutes of an unofficial discussion? Interesting :P | 07:25 |
| tonyyarusso | You didn't say unofficial before | 07:26 |
| tonyyarusso | :P | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | tonyyarusso: I wouldn't count on it being opensourced for some time | 07:32 |
| Fujitsu | Where some time is at least another few years. | 07:32 |
| tonyyarusso | What's the policy about it? "When it's ready" is all I've heard, which is a tad, um, vague. | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking at least 2 or so | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | tonyyarusso: when Mark says so? | 07:33 |
| Fujitsu | 2 is a little on the small side, I'd say. But that's just me. | 07:33 |
| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: heh | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | I was trying to be optimistic | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | I personally don't care either way | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | it'd be fun to see the code perhaps, but I wouldn't understand any of it | 07:36 |
| tonyyarusso | I don't actually need to see it - I just want it to be open. Just seems awkward and hypocritical otherwise. | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | well, it is a mute point since it isn't distributed | 07:40 |
| Fujitsu | They could very easily say right now that it's under the GPL. | 07:42 |
| Fujitsu | That would be perfectly valid. | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | but it isn't very significant, to me, if they don't distribute it | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | it might make me feel better | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | but whatever | 07:46 |
| tonyyarusso | Pretty much | 07:46 |
| tonyyarusso | well, off for the night | 07:48 |
| Fujitsu | Night, tonyyarusso. | 07:48 |
| mpt | mr-russ, Launchpad developers have been working hard over the weekend on ways to make it faster | 09:03 |
| mpt | though some of those improvements probably won't appear for a week or so. | 09:03 |
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| mdke | Laser_away, Fujitsu: for people asking about launchpad and open source, there is a good discussion of why it hasn't happened here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/OpenWeek_UsingLaunchpad | 11:27 |
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| freacky22527 | hi! :) | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks mdke. I haven't seen that one, I don't think. | 11:28 |
| mdke | Fujitsu: there is also a bug open about including it in the LP faq, although I can't see much sign of it being fixed | 11:29 |
| freacky22527 | i have a problem to decrypt a message encrypted with my key, to add an OpenPGP keys in launchpad | 11:29 |
| freacky22527 | i have this error : gpg: Erreur de CRC; 9A8D28 - DC39A8 | 11:29 |
| mdke | Fujitsu: found it, bug 55486 | 11:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55486 in launchpad "FAQ should address why LP is not yet free software" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55486 - Assigned to Matthew Revell (matthew.revell) | 11:30 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #91342 in launchpad "Actions menu and portlets missing on many pages in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91342 | 11:31 |
| freacky22527 | i have saved this : http://pastebin.ca/390299 to msg.gpg , and the gpg -d msg.gpg return that : gpg: Erreur de CRC; 9A8D28 - DC39A8 | 11:31 |
| freacky22527 | can somebody help me ? :/ | 11:31 |
| mdke | freacky22527: I don't know what that is caused by, but are you following the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto to upload your key to launchpad? | 11:32 |
| freacky22527 | mdke: no, i wasn't | 11:34 |
| mdke | freacky22527: give it a try maybe | 11:34 |
| freacky22527 | mdke: okay :) | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: interesting. | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: still seems rather like "we're not releasing it because we dont think it's worth you trying" - but i can see the logic behind that. | 11:36 |
| mdke | Hobbsee: yes, the first one is the only valid reason, IMO | 11:36 |
| Fujitsu | mdke: That's my opinion too. | 11:37 |
| mdke | but it's very valid :) | 11:37 |
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| Fujitsu | And I've thought long and hard about how to resolve it (by having a web of trust of LP instances connected, for example)... But it's messy and prone to damage. | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | yes. the other two reasons seem very much a case of "we're not releasing it because we dont think it's worth your resources in using" | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | indeed | 11:38 |
| mdke | Fujitsu: the point is that whatever the solution is, it needs to be in place and working before LP is open sourced. I have no doubt that they will work on a system for other launchpads to interact with a central launchpad | 11:38 |
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| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: a million and one. | 11:39 |
| mdke | quite a lot | 11:39 |
| shawarma | eleventy billion! | 11:40 |
| tsmithe | lp bug nubmers are not product-specific, right? bug 101000 could refer to product A, whilst 101001 can be product B. so if LP is around for a long time, what happens when bug numbers get long? | 11:43 |
| mdke | tsmithe: I don't think it has been necessary to address that question yet | 11:44 |
| Fujitsu | tsmithe: Bug numbers get long when they get long. | 11:44 |
| mdke | but bugzilla doesn't address it, I don't think. They just get long | 11:44 |
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| tsmithe | hmm ok | 11:45 |
| freacky22527 | mdke: okay everything work! thank you so much dude ^^ | 11:47 |
| mdke | good | 11:47 |
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| spiv | tsmithe: bug number length only grows logarithmically with the number of bugs, so I don't think it's a big concern. | 01:14 |
| spiv | Unless we switch to counting bugs in base 1 ;) | 01:15 |
| tsmithe | haha | 01:15 |
| tsmithe | ok | 01:16 |
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| Yannig | Hello everybody | 02:35 |
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| flonk | hi, i am looking for a launchpad admin (as described on the feedback page) to aid me in solving problems with my account | 02:41 |
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| flonk | hm, too bad :( | 02:50 |
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| === Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad users and developers | Next user meeting: Wed 14 March 2007, 0900UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 8 Mar 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| === Topic (#launchpad): set by mrevell at Fri Mar 9 11:27:29 2007 | ||
| === #launchpad [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | ||
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| loswillios | hi there | 06:33 |
| loswillios | is it somehow possible to announce the commits for a project in an irc channel? | 06:36 |
| beuno | loswillios: you mean instead of through email? | 06:37 |
| loswillios | or webpage (ie https://launchpad.net/~anders-gnulinux/+branch/mms/1.0.9) | 06:37 |
| beuno | well, not that I'm aware of (I'm not a lauchpad dev, so don't take my advice too seriously) | 06:38 |
| loswillios | would be nice if a bot drops a line with the current revision and the appropiating message | 06:38 |
| beuno | but you can probably get it on a web page by parsing the emails | 06:39 |
| beuno | and probably to the bot too | 06:39 |
| beuno | I don't think bzr has a feature like that planned in the near future | 06:39 |
| loswillios | hm ok | 06:39 |
| beuno | you'll probably get better answers at #bzr | 06:41 |
| loswillios | I'll try to subscribe to the project and see if it's possible to get an email on every commit | 06:42 |
| loswillios | maybe i could parse that mail and print it to irc | 06:42 |
| beuno | loswillios: I do know for sure bzr can send out emails on commit's | 06:43 |
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| loswillios | thx beuno I'll try asking in #bzr | 06:48 |
| beuno | loswillios: LarstiQ is very helpful over there | 06:49 |
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| loswillios | beuno: they pointed me to https://launchpad.net/publish-bot | 06:59 |
| beuno | loswillios: thats great! :D | 06:59 |
| loswillios | beuno: so it has to be installed on the launchpad-server? sorry I'm new to this | 07:01 |
| beuno | loswillios: I think that's meant for local bzr branches, not launchpad | 07:02 |
| loswillios | I see | 07:02 |
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| nixternal | has LP opened for translations yet? | 09:07 |
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| Yannig | nixternal: I don't think so | 09:15 |
| Yannig | But an admin may be able to confirm | 09:15 |
| nixternal | OK, thanks. I haven't seen an email come across yet | 09:20 |
| nixternal | just wondering, as I needed to make a quick change to some docs and regen the .pot's | 09:20 |
| Yannig | I'm also wondering; carlos told me it should be finished between Saturday and Sundy | 09:23 |
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| francesco-out | hi, how can i delete my account at launchpad ? | 09:49 |
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| francesco-out | pochu, do you know hoa can i delete my launchpad account ? | 09:53 |
| pochu | francesco-out: why would you do that? | 09:54 |
| francesco-out | because i don't use it | 09:54 |
| francesco-out | and it is a service i don't use | 09:55 |
| francesco-out | ops | 09:55 |
| pochu | francesco-out: I don't know, but probably a LP admin can help you | 09:55 |
| francesco-out | and i want to have control to all service | 09:56 |
| pochu | francesco-out: though it would be better if you open a support ticket (in case you can delete it from your control panel) | 09:56 |
| francesco-out | ok | 09:58 |
| LarstiQ | francesco-out: do note that others can still make usefull use of your account existing | 09:58 |
| francesco-out | but i had not use it | 10:03 |
| francesco-out | i open it because i thought i would use it but i never used it | 10:03 |
| francesco-out | :( | 10:04 |
| LarstiQ | ok, as pochu said a support ticket is probably the way to go | 10:04 |
| francesco-out | yes, thanks very much | 10:05 |
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| mpt | LarstiQ, for future reference, that's https://launchpad.net/bugs/gbcw | 10:06 |
| mpt | (and pochu) | 10:07 |
| === LarstiQ stares in amazement at gbcw | ||
| pochu | mpt: ty | 10:10 |
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| francesco-out | where i can open a ticket ? | 10:12 |
| francesco-out | i don't find | 10:15 |
| pochu | https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket | 10:15 |
| pochu | francesco-out: ^ | 10:15 |
| francesco-out | thank you | 10:15 |
| pochu | np :) | 10:15 |
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| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 10:30 |
| mpt | LarstiQ, what's amazing? | 10:30 |
| pochu | mpt: in what timezone is mrevell? | 10:31 |
| LarstiQ | pochu: UTC | 10:31 |
| LarstiQ | unless he's travelling | 10:31 |
| pochu | LarstiQ: ok, ty | 10:32 |
| LarstiQ | mpt: the gbcw part | 10:33 |
| mpt | LarstiQ, you mean its presence in a URL, or its use as an abbreviation? | 10:33 |
| mpt | pochu, UTC +/- 1, I think | 10:34 |
| LarstiQ | mpt: the latter, I'm not familiar with 'gbcw' at all | 10:34 |
| === pochu -> the abbreviation | ||
| mpt | LarstiQ, it's short for "Goodbye, Cruel World" | 10:34 |
| LarstiQ | mpt: ooh :) | 10:34 |
| mpt | http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Gbcw | 10:35 |
| LarstiQ | mpt: wow | 10:37 |
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| SteveA | mpt: hello | 11:10 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #91493 in launchpad "Subscribe by e-mail/feed to registry search results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91493 | 11:15 |
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| LarstiQ | SteveA: mrevell said you still had photos from the sprint on your camera? | 11:16 |
| SteveA | LarstiQ: ah! good point... | 11:16 |
| SteveA | LarstiQ: I have some of people at pycon wearing bzr t-shirts too | 11:18 |
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| Stoffe | hello room. I need some help... launchpad is giving me serious headaches | 11:18 |
| Stoffe | I don't understand all this release and product release and how it all works | 11:19 |
| LarstiQ | SteveA: ooh, I didn't realize bzr t-shirts actually existed yet | 11:19 |
| LarstiQ | Stoffe: what are you trying to do with launchpad? | 11:19 |
| Stoffe | All I would like is for a tarball to be stored, or that the bzr repos could be browsed normally | 11:20 |
| Stoffe | I've registered a product, and imported the bzr repos - no problem. Then it kinda says you can do a release, or a release series, or a ... well, lots of different stuff, that should be able to include a tarball | 11:20 |
| Stoffe | so, so far I've got an empty 0.1 release and I've registered a release series with an URL with a wildcard, and I don't know where to find it :D | 11:21 |
| Stoffe | right now, I'm just extremely confused, because I feel launchpad is just pulling me around in circles ;-) | 11:22 |
| SteveA | LarstiQ: what is your email address? | 11:22 |
| Stoffe | the product is: https://launchpad.net/gedit-autotab | 11:22 |
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| LarstiQ | Stoffe: browsing branches ala viewcvs is a wishlist item indeed | 11:23 |
| LarstiQ | Stoffe: don't really know about file uploads | 11:24 |
| radix | Stoffe: yeah, neither of those features exist yet but they are on the list I think | 11:24 |
| Stoffe | ok, too bad | 11:25 |
| Stoffe | heh | 11:25 |
| Stoffe | so why does launchpad promise them when you add stuff? :) | 11:25 |
| LarstiQ | does it? | 11:25 |
| radix | what does it promise, exactly? | 11:25 |
| Stoffe | I see a bug open about it with a 2000-number | 11:25 |
| SteveA | LarstiQ: mailed you the location of the photos. Pass them on to Jelmer and whoever else was at the sprint at may be interested | 11:25 |
| LarstiQ | SteveA: thanks, I will. | 11:25 |
| SteveA | I'll mail ddaa | 11:26 |
| Stoffe | https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2689 | 11:26 |
| Stoffe | for instance | 11:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2689 in launchpad "+addrelease page provides no URL field for the tarball" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Diogo Matsubara (matsubara) | 11:26 |
| Stoffe | and yes, it says so, still, when you add a release... | 11:26 |
| Stoffe | however, it's quite possible that something *has* been uploaded, but I can't seem to navigate my way there to see.. | 11:26 |
| Stoffe | so half my question is, is there any structure to this | 11:27 |
| Stoffe | ? | 11:27 |
| radix | I have no idea what you're talking about | 11:27 |
| radix | What was the promise that was made that you find unfulfilled? maybe there is a documentation bug? | 11:27 |
| Stoffe | two things: | 11:28 |
| Stoffe | 1. when "Register a Release", it says: "Including a URL to the release tarball below will let Launchpad import the release to its archive." | 11:29 |
| Stoffe | I have that screen up now | 11:29 |
| Stoffe | it's what the bug is talking about | 11:29 |
| radix | ah, ok, and that's what the bug is about. yeah. | 11:29 |
| Stoffe | I need some help with that, possibly :) | 11:29 |
| radix | So the bug summarizes that issue pretty well. | 11:29 |
| Stoffe | and 2. I've also tried registering a Release Series, which allows to enter a URL in a specific field for this. Now I can't find where this added series is at all, and need help with that. | 11:30 |
| Stoffe | Maybe, can't relly read if it's supposed to work or not from the bug ;-) | 11:30 |
| LarstiQ | The only gedit-autotab series I see is 'trunk' | 11:30 |
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| Stoffe | Yeah, that's the one. Possibly I didn't add a new one, it may be the default. Not sure. Anyways, it has a wildcard URL that I was hoping would import the package from a temporary location - does it do that, and where can I find the result? Does anybody know? | 11:32 |
| LarstiQ | Well, if gedit-autotab trunk lives in svn/cvs, you can have that imported. Other than that I'm not aware of series doing any importing. | 11:33 |
| === LarstiQ registers them when the first release candidate gets released and points at the bzr branch in question | ||
| LarstiQ | and add releases when they happen | 11:34 |
| Stoffe | no, I'm using bzr, and have imported that | 11:35 |
| Stoffe | that's not the issue | 11:35 |
| Stoffe | because I could upload a tarball to the bzr repos, butr it wouldn't be downloadable | 11:35 |
| Stoffe | actually, if it was just possible to download without bzr from the regular epos, that would be plenty | 11:35 |
| Stoffe | but I wanted to investigate these other options if they worked... | 11:36 |
| Stoffe | "A URL pattern that matches releases that are part of this series. Launchpad automatically scans this site to import new releases. Example: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-21.*.tar.gz" | 11:36 |
| Stoffe | is what it says for doing series importing | 11:36 |
| LarstiQ | I see. | 11:36 |
| LarstiQ | Stoffe: I'd ping that bug you mentioned I guess. | 11:37 |
| Stoffe | not really what I want, ideally, but I feel that pointing out the bzr repos isn't that fair either, as I don't think ppl should need to install bzr just to get a small file... | 11:37 |
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| LarstiQ | Stoffe: ideally, no | 11:38 |
| LarstiQ | Stoffe: the bzr tarballs are just hosted somewhere else | 11:38 |
| Stoffe | ok | 11:39 |
| Stoffe | that quite severly limits the usefulness for end-user projects, for now. it's not very ideal to need a sourceforge project in parallell just for a download... :) | 11:41 |
| LarstiQ | sf? eek :) | 11:42 |
| === LarstiQ is perhaps too used to having own machines | ||
| Stoffe | it's not that I couldn't have my own machines hosting a tarball, but it's quite a mess having stuff in multiple places. sf got that one right, at least, if nothing else. | 11:45 |
| LarstiQ | I don't really agree with that, but hosting releases lies in the direction of what launchpad could do | 11:47 |
| === Fujitsu also debates the reference to SF getting something right. | ||
| Stoffe | well, allowing me to go in via ssh to the repos and do "bzr up" would solve it all ;-) | 11:52 |
| Stoffe | can I do that, it'd be enough for me | 11:52 |
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| Stoffe | but for projects that aren't Ubuntu, I do think that providing a simple download ability would a huge boon | 11:53 |
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| radix | I probably agree. | 11:54 |
| radix | I'm pretty sure I've heard rumblings about that feature amongst the devs, but I have no idea whether it's going to be done any time soon. | 11:54 |
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| lifeless | Stoffe: tarball upload/download facility is being worked on | 12:01 |
| Stoffe | good to hear | 12:08 |
| mpt | hi SteveA | 12:13 |
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