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[03:11] <ddaa> beuno: I hope you'll get feedback and have a chance to elaborate on this :)
[03:12] <beuno> ddaa: well, you could get the ball rolling...   ;)
[03:13] <ddaa> I marked the email. I'll wait for a while to see what other people have to say :)
[03:13] <beuno> heh, ok ok
[03:13] <beuno> you think I should of elaborated more?  I didn't want to make it look too long
[03:14] <ddaa> well, that's not how I would have written it...
[03:14] <ddaa> the main message I get out of this mail is "this user is very excited about the forums and positive about launchpad"
[03:15] <ddaa> which I do not think actually the message you meant to convey :)
[03:15] <beuno> hmmm, interesting point of view
[03:16] <beuno> I probablu over-sold the forums, but I guess it's because I feel developers are so agresive against them
[03:17] <ddaa> you are actually proposing some concrete features, linking forums threads and ubuntu objects (bug? answers? I do not remember)
[03:17] <ddaa> but it takes some effort to actually find them in this message
[03:17] <beuno> yes, specific examples
[03:17] <beuno> you would be viewing a thread in the forum, and could see right on there what bugs relate to it, and if they're open ore closed
[03:18] <ddaa> on the other hands, there was a couple of good points
[03:18] <beuno> so you would know if you land on a thread 3 months later that it's solved without going through 16 pages
[03:18] <ddaa> such as "don't put forums in launchpad, but link to them" and "you do not have to read the forums, let users do the linking"
[03:18] <beuno> and by having that information already, you would be able to view in launchpad itself what threads relate to that bug, so it would be a win-win situation
[03:19] <beuno> yeah, I tried to stress the fact that it's users who would do the work, and not devs
[03:19] <ddaa> actually, I think there was actually two messages there "forums are important", the google fact is very significant.
[03:19] <ddaa> and "they should be linked with launchpad"
[03:20] <beuno> the phrase "Integrate launchpad into the forums, not the other way around" was carefully crafted 
[03:20] <ddaa> it did not actually made a lot of sense to me...
[03:20] <ddaa> too clever maybe
[03:21] <beuno> well, you started off the conversation yesterday with a hitler analogy, so I'll let that one slide, hehehe
[03:21] <ddaa> Actually, now that I'm talking to you, I see what you meant.
[03:21] <ddaa> did I say something about hitler? :)
[03:21] <ddaa> I just mentioned something about democratic elections... I do not actually remember the name of that guy :)
[03:22] <beuno> I looked it up  ;)
[03:22] <beuno> read through decades of german history
[03:22] <beuno> anyway, I hope it's enough to atract some attention
[03:24] <ddaa> I'm sometimes disappointed by how little launchpad devs give attention to user messages, but I'll reactive the thread if it goes unnoticed
[03:24] <ddaa> us attention-deficit developers sometimes need multiple stimuli
[03:25] <beuno> great to know, maybe that's all it takes, a small "maybe he's not entirely crazy"
[03:25] <ddaa> right, exactly
[03:25] <beuno> I do understand on the other hand there must be hundreds of whacky ideas from very... frenetic users
[03:25] <beuno> and that does tend to make you ignore them
[03:25] <ddaa> no that much actually
[03:27] <beuno> no?  I figured launchpad would atract a lot of attention
[03:27] <ddaa> I guess we're just good at redirecting disorientated users in the general direction of the ubuntu folks :)
[03:28] <beuno> hahah, well, congrats on that!
[03:28] <ddaa> I think there's actually very few people who actually "get" launchpad outside of the core.
[03:29] <beuno> well, I think unless you actually do dev work, and have used other bug trackers like bugzilla, it's pretty hard to grasp the concept
[03:29] <ddaa> cannot blame them, it takes a week or two of solid face time for new employees to get it, too
[03:30] <beuno> although you guys have gone a long way extending it to specification building, translatios, support...
[03:30] <ddaa> actually... bug-branches-packages-translations was planned from the start
[03:31] <ddaa> specs and support are late additions
[03:32] <beuno> I particularly love the specs part
[03:32] <ddaa> I guess bug tracking is the most mature because it's the bit that has the least complex interactions with wild data out there
[03:33] <ddaa> funny you mention that
[03:33] <ddaa> I had the impression that ubuntu community folks are big on the spec tracker
[03:33] <ddaa> but mainly because of how it's used in the ubuntu development process
[03:34] <beuno> well, it makes all the information so much more visible
[03:35] <ddaa> I'm just wondering how much is really about the tool
[03:35] <beuno> have any other big project caught on on using launchpad yet?
[03:35] <ddaa> and how much is actually about the ubuntu process
[03:35] <ddaa> define, "other", "big" and "caught" :)
[03:35] <beuno> well, for me it's pretty hard to seperate launchpad from Ubuntu
[03:35] <beuno> hahah
[03:36] <beuno> other = non-ubuntu   big = over 1000 user base   caught on = using it
[03:37] <ddaa> well... not counting launchpad
[03:37] <ddaa> there's bzr...
[03:37] <ddaa> but it's from the same company
[03:37] <ddaa> drupal
[03:37] <ddaa> there's actually a bunch of products using the bug tracker
[03:37] <ddaa> and real bunch using the translations...
[03:37] <beuno> drupal is on launchpad?
[03:38] <Fujitsu> There's SchoolTool (but that's also Canonical).
[03:38] <Fujitsu> Isn't Zope looking at it?
[03:38] <ddaa> not Canonical
[03:38] <Fujitsu> Gah.
[03:38] <Fujitsu> Shuttleworth Foundation, similar thing.
[03:38] <ddaa> I think Schooltool is funded by the Shuttleworth Foundation
[03:38] <Fujitsu> Yep, that's right.
[03:38] <beuno> yes, I was going for non-canonical products, which I expect have to use it by default
[03:39] <ddaa> Canonical is for-profit, no the Shuttleworth Foundation. It's a pretty big difference :)
[03:39] <Fujitsu> But they're rather related.
[03:39] <ddaa> mh... drupal is not on malone...
[03:40] <ddaa> no translations...
[03:40] <Fujitsu> GnomeBaker uses Rosetta, doesn't it?
[03:40] <ddaa> okay I'm confused
[03:40] <ddaa> I think GnomeBaker is dead
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[03:41] <beuno> ok ok, I see, it's a bit spread out for now
[03:45] <ddaa> there's planet
[03:45] <ddaa> https://beta.launchpad.net/planet/+bugs
[03:45] <ddaa> but not really a good candidate, since it's mostly from jdub...
[03:46] <beuno> haha, well, at least launchpad users like it enough to put there projects on it, that's a good start
[03:46] <ddaa> well, jdub was the original ubuntu community guy :)
[03:47] <beuno> ah, I did not know that
[03:48] <ddaa> cannot actually find a large project that I'm familiar with and is not closely tied with sabdfl in some way from the list of products that are marked as "official-malone"...
[03:48] <ddaa> there's some interest in the zope community yes
[03:48] <beuno> I remember participating in a python discussion when they where looking for a new bug tracker
[03:48] <ddaa> and maybe a few other large projects that I shall not disclose :)
[03:49] <beuno> but the "it's not open source" thing just kept on coming up
[03:49] <ddaa> I think it's a red herring really
[03:49] <ddaa> if they mean "we cannot run it ourselves", I'd prefer if they'd say it.
[03:50] <ddaa> since the code is not distributed, it does not make much sense to say whether it's free or not
[03:50] <ddaa> call me a nitpicker if you wish
[03:51] <beuno> yes, well, it's probably more or less that
[03:51] <beuno> they can't run it, they can't decide what features get implemented
[03:51] <beuno> I personally like launchpad more then anything else out there, but it's hard to argue with that
[03:51] <Fujitsu> I think the issues are that the data is locked away, and there's no hope of implementing extra features.
[03:52] <ddaa> the latter actually comes from the former
[03:53] <Fujitsu> Not necessarily.
[03:53] <ddaa> Fujitsu: can you expand on this?
[03:53] <Fujitsu> You can have a model where there is a single instance of LP, with the data locked away, but with members of the community able to implement features.
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Rather than having the (somewhat smaller) LP developer group working on everything.
[03:54] <ddaa> point of order: we do not want to lock the data away, and if they ask, we'll be glad to give people a dump of there's data
[03:54] <Fujitsu> So the latter isn't caused by the former...
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[03:55] <ddaa> s/there's/their/
[03:55] <Fujitsu> OK...
[03:55] <ddaa> I heard there's actually a bug export script that can be run on request.
[03:56] <Fujitsu> Interesting!
[03:56] <ddaa> and we actually have been meaning to expose the data more through feeds and apis, for a long while
[03:56] <ddaa> but it's never the most pressing feature to implement at any given time
[03:56] <Fujitsu> Whenever anybody brings that up, the response is `post-1.0'.
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[03:57] <Fujitsu> ddaa: But it would make our lives much nicer.
[03:57] <ddaa> Thing is, one of the new hires should start working on this soon.
[03:57] <ddaa> so, back on track...
[03:57] <Fujitsu> It's been coming soon for a couple of years now :)
[03:58] <ddaa> also, we can give access to the code under NDA
[03:58] <ddaa> at least one community member did it already, I do not think he actually contributed much
[03:58] <ddaa> but it's not advertised
[03:58] <ddaa> so please do not quote me on this
[03:58] <Fujitsu> I think it is mentioned on the FAQ.
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[03:59] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[03:59] <ddaa> I'm not convinced that releasing the code under a "you can see, you can touch, but you cannot use it" license would improve the situation...
[04:00] <Fujitsu> Probably not.
[04:00] <ddaa> and it's a system with a huge learning curve, and a very strict QA process...
[04:00] <Fujitsu> I can see why it should be kept in once instance, for sure.
[04:00] <beuno> ddaa: I agree, they would have to be able to use it, otherwise it's better to have good exporting tools
[04:01] <Fujitsu> I'd been thinking about how a multi-instance LP would work (sort of a web of trust), but it'd get really messy.
[04:01] <ddaa> Fujitsu: we've thought about it too
[04:01] <Fujitsu> It'd get messy, and there's a large potential for damage.
[04:01] <ddaa> like 1.5 year ago...
[04:02] <ddaa> there was discussion of federated launchpad... and we saw it was going to be a lot of trouble, and we already had our plates way overfull...
[04:02] <Fujitsu> bzr and LP are an interesting contrast. bzr is all about decentralising, LP is the other way around.
[04:03] <ddaa> you can see it this way, yes
[04:03] <ddaa> another way to see it
[04:03] <ddaa> is bzr is all about enabling individuals to act
[04:03] <ddaa> and communicate more easily in code
[04:03] <Fujitsu> ddaa: And LP does that with products...
[04:03] <Fujitsu> I guess that's also a good view.
[04:04] <ddaa> and launchpad is all about enabling communities to communicate more easily in all sorts of ways
[04:04] <ddaa> and communities are defined by some centralize resources
[04:04] <ddaa> bug trackers, repositories, collections of documents
[04:05] <ddaa> mailing lists (soon!)
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[04:05] <Fujitsu> LP-integrated mailing lists sounds good.
[04:05] <beuno> I like the sound of that!
[04:06] <ddaa> actually the centralized/decentralized tension is built in processes surrounding DVCS
[04:06] <beuno> ddaa: any specifics on launchpad and emails lists integration?
[04:06] <ddaa> why do you think the guy who wrote Mailman is now a lp dev? :)
[04:06] <LaserJock> hehe, I didn't know that
[04:06] <ddaa> no specifics, just because I do not know :)
[04:07] <ddaa> fact is, teams are de-facto, ill-defined, crappy mailing lists
[04:07] <ddaa> so I'd expect barry is going to work on fixing that
[04:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:08] <beuno> you have been very informative today ddaa  :D
[04:09] <ddaa> hope I did make any career-limiting move :)
[04:09] <LaserJock> lol
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[04:11] <beuno> of not, I'm sure you'll have plenty more opportunities   :p
[04:11] <beuno> *id
[04:12] <beuno> uhm, "if"
[04:12] <ddaa> hehehe
[04:12] <ddaa> I still have more spam than job offers
[04:12] <ddaa> actually, I did not have any job offer, except from one guy I chatted with in Amsterdam
[04:13] <ddaa> who wanted me to fix the networking of the sound system in a concert haal
[04:14] <Fujitsu> What an odd job offer.
[04:14] <ddaa> odd guy...
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[04:24] <ddaa> that would be a good problem to have, I guess :)
[04:25] <beuno> lol
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[07:15] <mr-russ> is it a known issue that ubuntu launchpad always seems slow?
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Are there any updates on a potential timeline estimate for the open-sourcing of LP?
[07:24] <Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: As always, indefinite.
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: Dang.
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[07:25] <Fujitsu> tonyyarusso: We were having this discussion just a couple of hours ago.
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Fujitsu: Any significant points raised I should be aware of?  (or logs/minutes)
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Minutes of an unofficial discussion? Interesting :P
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> You didn't say unofficial before
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> :P
[07:32] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: I wouldn't count on it being opensourced for some time
[07:32] <Fujitsu> Where some time is at least another few years.
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> What's the policy about it?  "When it's ready" is all I've heard, which is a tad, um, vague.
[07:32] <LaserJock> I was thinking at least 2 or so
[07:33] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: when Mark says so?
[07:33] <Fujitsu> 2 is a little on the small side, I'd say. But that's just me.
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: heh
[07:33] <LaserJock> I was trying to be optimistic
[07:33] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:35] <LaserJock> I personally don't care either way
[07:36] <LaserJock> it'd be fun to see the code perhaps, but I wouldn't understand any of it
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> I don't actually need to see it - I just want it to be open.  Just seems awkward and hypocritical otherwise.
[07:40] <LaserJock> well, it is a mute point since it isn't distributed
[07:42] <Fujitsu> They could very easily say right now that it's under the GPL.
[07:42] <Fujitsu> That would be perfectly valid.
[07:42] <LaserJock> mhm
[07:45] <LaserJock> but it isn't very significant, to me, if they don't distribute it
[07:46] <LaserJock> it might make me feel better
[07:46] <LaserJock> but whatever
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> Pretty much
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> well, off for the night
[07:48] <Fujitsu> Night, tonyyarusso.
[09:03] <mpt> mr-russ, Launchpad developers have been working hard over the weekend on ways to make it faster
[09:03] <mpt> though some of those improvements probably won't appear for a week or so.
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[11:27] <mdke> Laser_away, Fujitsu: for people asking about launchpad and open source, there is a good discussion of why it hasn't happened here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/OpenWeek_UsingLaunchpad
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[11:27] <freacky22527> hi! :)
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Thanks mdke. I haven't seen that one, I don't think.
[11:29] <mdke> Fujitsu: there is also a bug open about including it in the LP faq, although I can't see much sign of it being fixed
[11:29] <freacky22527> i have a problem to decrypt a message encrypted with my key, to add an OpenPGP keys in launchpad
[11:29] <freacky22527> i have this error : gpg: Erreur de CRC; 9A8D28 - DC39A8
[11:30] <mdke> Fujitsu: found it, bug 55486
[11:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55486 in launchpad "FAQ should address why LP is not yet free software" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55486 - Assigned to Matthew Revell (matthew.revell)
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[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91342 in launchpad "Actions menu and portlets missing on many pages in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91342
[11:31] <freacky22527> i have saved this : http://pastebin.ca/390299 to msg.gpg , and the gpg -d msg.gpg return that : gpg: Erreur de CRC; 9A8D28 - DC39A8
[11:31] <freacky22527> can somebody help me ? :/
[11:32] <mdke> freacky22527: I don't know what that is caused by, but are you following the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto to upload your key to launchpad?
[11:34] <freacky22527> mdke: no, i wasn't
[11:34] <mdke> freacky22527: give it a try maybe
[11:34] <freacky22527> mdke: okay :)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> mdke: interesting.
[11:36] <Hobbsee> mdke: still seems rather like "we're not releasing it because we dont think it's worth you trying" - but i can see the logic behind that.
[11:36] <mdke> Hobbsee: yes, the first one is the only valid reason, IMO
[11:37] <Fujitsu> mdke: That's my opinion too.
[11:37] <mdke> but it's very valid :)
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[11:37] <Fujitsu> And I've thought long and hard about how to resolve it (by having a web of trust of LP instances connected, for example)... But it's messy and prone to damage.
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yes.  the other two reasons seem very much a case of "we're not releasing it because we dont think it's worth your resources in using"
[11:38] <Hobbsee> indeed
[11:38] <mdke> Fujitsu: the point is that whatever the solution is, it needs to be in place and working before LP is open sourced. I have no doubt that they will work on a system for other launchpads to interact with a central launchpad
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[11:39] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: a million and one.
[11:39] <mdke> quite a lot
[11:40] <shawarma> eleventy billion!
[11:43] <tsmithe> lp bug nubmers are not product-specific, right? bug 101000 could refer to product A, whilst 101001 can be product B. so if LP is around for a long time, what happens when bug numbers get long?
[11:44] <mdke> tsmithe: I don't think it has been necessary to address that question yet
[11:44] <Fujitsu> tsmithe: Bug numbers get long when they get long.
[11:44] <mdke> but bugzilla doesn't address it, I don't think. They just get long
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[11:45] <tsmithe> hmm ok
[11:47] <freacky22527> mdke: okay everything work! thank you so much dude ^^
[11:47] <mdke> good
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[01:14] <spiv> tsmithe: bug number length only grows logarithmically with the number of bugs, so I don't think it's a big concern.
[01:15] <spiv> Unless we switch to counting bugs in base 1 ;)
[01:15] <tsmithe> haha
[01:16] <tsmithe> ok
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[02:35] <Yannig> Hello everybody
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[02:41] <flonk> hi, i am looking for a launchpad admin (as described on the feedback page) to aid me in solving problems with my account
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[02:50] <flonk> hm, too bad :(
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=== Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad users and developers | Next user meeting: Wed 14 March 2007, 0900UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 8 Mar 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) |  launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
=== Topic (#launchpad): set by mrevell at Fri Mar  9 11:27:29 2007
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[06:33] <loswillios> hi there
[06:36] <loswillios> is it somehow possible to announce the commits for a project in an irc channel?
[06:37] <beuno> loswillios: you mean instead of through email?
[06:37] <loswillios> or webpage (ie https://launchpad.net/~anders-gnulinux/+branch/mms/1.0.9)
[06:38] <beuno> well, not that I'm aware of (I'm not a lauchpad dev, so don't take my advice too seriously)
[06:38] <loswillios> would be nice if a bot drops a line with the current revision and the appropiating message
[06:39] <beuno> but you can probably get it on a web page by parsing the emails
[06:39] <beuno> and probably to the bot too
[06:39] <beuno> I don't think bzr has a feature like that planned in the near future
[06:39] <loswillios> hm ok
[06:41] <beuno> you'll probably get better answers at #bzr
[06:42] <loswillios> I'll try to subscribe to the project and see if it's possible to get an email on every commit
[06:42] <loswillios> maybe i could parse that mail and print it to irc
[06:43] <beuno> loswillios: I do know for sure bzr can send out emails on commit's
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[06:48] <loswillios> thx beuno I'll try asking in #bzr
[06:49] <beuno> loswillios: LarstiQ is very helpful over there
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[06:59] <loswillios> beuno: they pointed me to https://launchpad.net/publish-bot
[06:59] <beuno> loswillios: thats great!  :D
[07:01] <loswillios> beuno: so it has to be installed on the launchpad-server? sorry I'm new to this
[07:02] <beuno> loswillios: I think that's meant for local bzr branches, not launchpad
[07:02] <loswillios> I see
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[09:07] <nixternal> has LP opened for translations yet?
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[09:15] <Yannig> nixternal: I don't think so
[09:15] <Yannig> But an admin may be able to confirm
[09:20] <nixternal> OK, thanks. I haven't seen an email come across yet
[09:20] <nixternal> just wondering, as I needed to make a quick change to some docs and regen the .pot's
[09:23] <Yannig> I'm also wondering; carlos told me it should be finished between Saturday and Sundy
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[09:49] <francesco-out> hi, how can i delete my account at launchpad ?
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[09:53] <francesco-out> pochu,  do you know hoa can i delete my launchpad account ?
[09:54] <pochu> francesco-out: why would you do that?
[09:54] <francesco-out> because i don't use it
[09:55] <francesco-out> and it is a service i don't use
[09:55] <francesco-out> ops
[09:55] <pochu> francesco-out: I don't know, but probably a LP admin can help you
[09:56] <francesco-out> and i want to have control to all service
[09:56] <pochu> francesco-out: though it would be better if you open a support ticket (in case you can delete it from your control panel)
[09:58] <francesco-out> ok
[09:58] <LarstiQ> francesco-out: do note that others can still make usefull use of your account existing
[10:03] <francesco-out> but i had not use it
[10:03] <francesco-out> i open it because i thought i would use it but i never used it
[10:04] <francesco-out> :(
[10:04] <LarstiQ> ok, as pochu said a support ticket is probably the way to go
[10:05] <francesco-out> yes, thanks very much
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[10:06] <mpt> LarstiQ, for future reference, that's https://launchpad.net/bugs/gbcw
[10:07] <mpt> (and pochu)
=== LarstiQ stares in amazement at gbcw
[10:10] <pochu> mpt: ty
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[10:12] <francesco-out> where i can open a ticket ?
[10:15] <francesco-out> i don't find 
[10:15] <pochu> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket
[10:15] <pochu> francesco-out: ^
[10:15] <francesco-out> thank you 
[10:15] <pochu> np :)
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[10:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:30] <mpt> LarstiQ, what's amazing?
[10:31] <pochu> mpt: in what timezone is mrevell?
[10:31] <LarstiQ> pochu: UTC
[10:31] <LarstiQ> unless he's travelling
[10:32] <pochu> LarstiQ: ok, ty
[10:33] <LarstiQ> mpt: the gbcw part
[10:33] <mpt> LarstiQ, you mean its presence in a URL, or its use as an abbreviation?
[10:34] <mpt> pochu, UTC +/- 1, I think
[10:34] <LarstiQ> mpt: the latter, I'm not familiar with 'gbcw' at all
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[10:34] <mpt> LarstiQ, it's short for "Goodbye, Cruel World"
[10:34] <LarstiQ> mpt: ooh :)
[10:35] <mpt> http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Gbcw
[10:37] <LarstiQ> mpt: wow
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[11:10] <SteveA> mpt: hello
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91493 in launchpad "Subscribe by e-mail/feed to registry search results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91493
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[11:16] <LarstiQ> SteveA: mrevell said you still had photos from the sprint on your camera?
[11:16] <SteveA> LarstiQ: ah!  good point...
[11:18] <SteveA> LarstiQ: I have some of people at pycon wearing bzr t-shirts too
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[11:18] <Stoffe> hello room. I need some help... launchpad is giving me serious headaches
[11:19] <Stoffe> I don't understand all this release and product release and how it all works
[11:19] <LarstiQ> SteveA: ooh, I didn't realize bzr t-shirts actually existed yet
[11:19] <LarstiQ> Stoffe: what are you trying to do with launchpad?
[11:20] <Stoffe> All I would like is for a tarball to be stored, or that the bzr repos could be browsed normally
[11:20] <Stoffe> I've registered a product, and imported the bzr repos - no problem. Then it kinda says you can do a release, or a release series, or a ... well, lots of different stuff, that should be able to include a tarball
[11:21] <Stoffe> so, so far I've got an empty 0.1 release and I've registered a release series with an URL with a wildcard, and I don't know where to find it :D
[11:22] <Stoffe> right now, I'm just extremely confused, because I feel launchpad is just pulling me around in circles ;-)
[11:22] <SteveA> LarstiQ: what is your email address?
[11:22] <Stoffe> the product is: https://launchpad.net/gedit-autotab
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[11:23] <LarstiQ> Stoffe: browsing branches ala viewcvs is a wishlist item indeed
[11:24] <LarstiQ> Stoffe: don't really know about file uploads
[11:24] <radix> Stoffe: yeah, neither of those features exist yet but they are on the list I think
[11:25] <Stoffe> ok, too bad
[11:25] <Stoffe> heh
[11:25] <Stoffe> so why does launchpad promise them when you add stuff? :)
[11:25] <LarstiQ> does it?
[11:25] <radix> what does it promise, exactly?
[11:25] <Stoffe> I see a bug open about it with a 2000-number
[11:25] <SteveA> LarstiQ: mailed you the location of the photos.  Pass them on to Jelmer and whoever else was at the sprint at may be interested
[11:25] <LarstiQ> SteveA: thanks, I will.
[11:26] <SteveA> I'll mail ddaa
[11:26] <Stoffe> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2689
[11:26] <Stoffe> for instance
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2689 in launchpad "+addrelease page provides no URL field for the tarball" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Diogo Matsubara (matsubara)
[11:26] <Stoffe> and yes, it says so, still, when you add a release...
[11:26] <Stoffe> however, it's quite possible that something *has* been uploaded, but I can't seem to navigate my way there to see..
[11:27] <Stoffe> so half my question is, is there any structure to this
[11:27] <Stoffe> ?
[11:27] <radix> I have no idea what you're talking about
[11:27] <radix> What was the promise that was made that you find unfulfilled? maybe there is a documentation bug?
[11:28] <Stoffe> two things:
[11:29] <Stoffe> 1. when "Register a Release", it says: "Including a URL to the release tarball below       will let Launchpad import the release to its archive."
[11:29] <Stoffe> I have that screen up now
[11:29] <Stoffe> it's what the bug is talking about
[11:29] <radix> ah, ok, and that's what the bug is about. yeah.
[11:29] <Stoffe> I need some help with that, possibly :)
[11:29] <radix> So the bug summarizes that issue pretty well.
[11:30] <Stoffe> and 2. I've also tried registering a Release Series, which allows to enter a URL in a specific field for this. Now I can't find where this added series is at all, and need help with that.
[11:30] <Stoffe> Maybe, can't relly read if it's supposed to work or not from the bug ;-)
[11:30] <LarstiQ> The only gedit-autotab series I see is 'trunk'
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[11:32] <Stoffe> Yeah, that's the one. Possibly I didn't add a new one, it may be the default. Not sure. Anyways, it has a wildcard URL that I was hoping would import the package from a temporary location - does it do that, and where can I find the result? Does anybody know?
[11:33] <LarstiQ> Well, if gedit-autotab trunk lives in svn/cvs, you can have that imported. Other than that I'm not aware of series doing any importing.
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[11:34] <LarstiQ> and add releases when they happen
[11:35] <Stoffe> no, I'm using bzr, and have imported that
[11:35] <Stoffe> that's not the issue
[11:35] <Stoffe> because I could upload a tarball to the bzr repos, butr it wouldn't be downloadable
[11:35] <Stoffe> actually, if it was just possible to download without bzr from the regular epos, that would be plenty
[11:36] <Stoffe> but I wanted to investigate these other options if they worked...
[11:36] <Stoffe> "A URL pattern that matches releases that are part of this series. Launchpad automatically scans this site to import new releases. Example: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-21.*.tar.gz"
[11:36] <Stoffe> is what it says for doing series importing
[11:36] <LarstiQ> I see.
[11:37] <LarstiQ> Stoffe: I'd ping that bug you mentioned I guess.
[11:37] <Stoffe> not really what I want, ideally, but I feel that pointing out the bzr repos isn't that fair either, as I don't think ppl should need to install bzr just to get a small file...
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[11:38] <LarstiQ> Stoffe: ideally, no
[11:38] <LarstiQ> Stoffe: the bzr tarballs are just hosted somewhere else
[11:39] <Stoffe> ok
[11:41] <Stoffe> that quite severly limits the usefulness for end-user projects, for now. it's not very ideal to need a sourceforge project in parallell just for a download... :)
[11:42] <LarstiQ> sf? eek :)
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[11:45] <Stoffe> it's not that I couldn't have my own machines hosting a tarball, but it's quite a mess having stuff in multiple places. sf got that one right, at least, if nothing else.
[11:47] <LarstiQ> I don't really agree with that, but hosting releases lies in the direction of what launchpad could do
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[11:52] <Stoffe> well, allowing me to go in via ssh to the repos and do "bzr up" would solve it all ;-)
[11:52] <Stoffe> can I do that, it'd be enough for me
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[11:53] <Stoffe> but for projects that aren't Ubuntu, I do think that providing a simple download ability would a huge boon
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[11:54] <radix> I probably agree.
[11:54] <radix> I'm pretty sure I've heard rumblings about that feature amongst the devs, but I have no idea whether it's going to be done any time soon.
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[12:01] <lifeless> Stoffe: tarball upload/download facility is being worked on
[12:08] <Stoffe> good to hear
[12:13] <mpt> hi SteveA