| crimsun | maswan: since you use systemtap, does feisty need an updated package? | 12:11 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: whee, more -archive-latency fun, bug 91180.... I'm gonna see if I can figure out how to undo that one :( | 04:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91180 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools depends on genisoimage, but it does not exist." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91180 | 04:05 |
| jdong | cjwatson: attached debdiff to bug report, please look when you get a chance, thanks | 04:16 |
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| bluefoxicy | Is it alright if I write a spec that culminates findings in live fire research and gives a direction to take to better deploy critical tools? | 05:09 |
| bluefoxicy | It'll be fairly wordy for a spec but very brief for a white paper; I don't feel like doing deeper research to write a paper. | 05:10 |
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| carson | Can someone tell me why G++ isn't seeing my #include here? | 08:00 |
| carson | http://pastebot.nd.edu/2086 | 08:00 |
| bhale | what do you mean, its there | 08:01 |
| bhale | there is no directory named perl in the listing you gave | 08:01 |
| carson | the file is in the path. | 08:01 |
| carson | -I/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE | 08:02 |
| carson | and then within that directory is my EXTERN.H | 08:02 |
| carson | sorry, i don't understand. | 08:02 |
| carson | aaaaaaaaaah! i had a capital H | 08:04 |
| carson | not a lowercase one. | 08:04 |
| crimsun | I'm surprised #ubuntu didn't assist | 08:04 |
| carson | yeah, there went two hours of my life. | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 08:22 |
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| jdong | imbrandon: moins? it's 3:30 AM :) | 08:30 |
| jdong | imbrandon: and I stayed up solely to watch DST switch | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | lol | 08:30 |
| Fujitsu | Oh yes, I forgot it about it changing really early over there. | 08:31 |
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| Fujitsu | *forgot about it | 08:31 |
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| somian | Where does "Monospace.ttf" in Ubuntu "Fiesty Fawn" (or maybe installed later via APT/Synaptic), come from? | 10:16 |
| tsmithe | dpkg -S it | 10:16 |
| somian | I shall try that. | 10:18 |
| somian | Ahh. These new (to me, wrt any prior Debian experience) "George Williams" fonts. I am concerned that specifying "Monospace" in CSS will merely pull up the default rather than the specific font I intended. That's what sparked my curiosity. | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | somian: or see packages.ubuntu.com - there's a search for which package a file belongs to | 10:20 |
| somian | Thanks for the help. | 10:20 |
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| TheMuso | Or apt-file. | 10:41 |
| tsmithe | hehe | 10:42 |
| tsmithe | so many means for one task | 10:42 |
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| clust | Hi, how can I dissable autologin in livecd Casper? | 11:21 |
| clust | Where can I find the documentation of casper? | 11:21 |
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| imbrandon | any arcive admins arround? have a quick question, can i request a rebuild of a universe source package for edgy ( no changes ) or does it have to go though the sru process ? | 01:02 |
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| tepsipakki | jdong: ping? | 01:57 |
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| tepsipakki | wonded why aptitude decided to remove ubuntu-desktop because of broken dvd+rw-tools dependancy | 02:01 |
| tepsipakki | and now we have ~200 machines without X :) | 02:01 |
| tepsipakki | no, make that 236 | 02:03 |
| tepsipakki | s/wonded/wonder/ | 02:04 |
| tepsipakki | is there anyone who could fix bug 91092 ASAP? | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91092 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools doesn't update in dapper (dup-of: 91180)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91092 | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91180 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools depends on genisoimage, but it does not exist." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91180 | 02:07 |
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| tepsipakki | oh, right.. 91180 is the correct one | 02:10 |
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| jdong | tepsipakki: any core-dev can upload that debdiff to edgy-backports; then -archive just needs to approve it | 03:03 |
| tepsipakki | dapper-backports, but yes | 03:03 |
| tepsipakki | I guess it's not going to happen today, so I need to disable -backports and reinstall the packages.. | 03:04 |
| jdong | tepsipakki: I pinged cjwatson about it last night... I'm not gonna be around for a lot of the day but feel free to bug the crap outta archive about it :D | 03:07 |
| jdong | tepsipakki: you can always just debuild that debdiff | 03:07 |
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| tepsipakki | easier to disable -backports for now.. | 03:16 |
| jdong | yeah | 03:16 |
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| jdong | cjwatson / tfheen : ping; please help upload debdiff bug 91180 to dapper-backports | 03:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91180 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools depends on genisoimage, but it does not exist." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91180 | 03:16 |
| tepsipakki | bah, it would be best to just reinstall the workstations.. but that's difficult (=impossible) to do remotely | 03:17 |
| jdong | a broken dvd+rw-tools dep can't lead to that much damage, can it? | 03:17 |
| jdong | at most an uninstallable package or two | 03:17 |
| tepsipakki | pkgsync (=aptitude) removed {k,}ubuntu-desktop | 03:18 |
| tepsipakki | 488 packages ;) | 03:18 |
| tfheen | which can cause ubuntu-desktop to be uninstallable and aptitude to go tits-up | 03:18 |
| jdong | you're kidding..... | 03:18 |
| tepsipakki | yes, pkgsync should have some sort of a panic button | 03:18 |
| tepsipakki | aptitude, that is | 03:19 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: it's really an aptitude bug. It should hold instead of uninstalling half the world, especially when the uninstalled package is a metapackage | 03:19 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: indeed.. | 03:19 |
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| tepsipakki | test reinstall went fine, now the same on ~230 machines.. keep the network (and the local mirror) hot :) | 03:23 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: IME, pkgsync recovers quite well from such temporary problems as what you're seeing. | 03:26 |
| tfheen | jdong: uploaded and accepted. | 03:27 |
| jdong | tfheen: thanks :) | 03:27 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: maybe a newer version does | 03:28 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: your experience tells otherwise? | 03:28 |
| tepsipakki | actually, it works fine after I disabled backports, so yes it does fix things | 03:28 |
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| tepsipakki | thanks for the upload! | 03:29 |
| geser | tfheen: could you please give-back libkexiv2 on all archs. thanks | 03:30 |
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| tepsipakki | tfheen: the newer pkgsync (edgy->) is better that it operates in fewer iterations | 03:32 |
| tfheen | geser: done | 03:40 |
| Ng | tfheen: is it way too late for stuff like #76435? | 03:45 |
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| geser | Lure: libkexiv2 was given-back | 03:46 |
| Lure | geser, tfheen: thanks | 03:47 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:foxxxy1] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting invlved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Herd 5 released | ||
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| tfheen | Ng: hard to say without a diff, but I suspect it's fine to get it in. | 03:56 |
| Ng | tfheen: there's a diff at http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/librsvg/2.16/ - it's not exactly what I'd call small though | 03:57 |
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| tfheen | Ng: I suspect the crasher is easy enough to fix, though | 04:00 |
| tfheen | apart from that, the diff is small enough to review easily; most of it is auto* output. | 04:01 |
| Ng | tfheen: coolio, thanks | 04:01 |
| Ng | not that I wish to encourage e17 use ;) | 04:01 |
| kylem | Ng, hah. | 04:01 |
| tfheen | heh | 04:01 |
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| Ng | hey kylem | 04:02 |
| kylem | morning. | 04:02 |
| kylem | either i just passed out, or the machine i'm ircing from just ran ntp. ;o) | 04:02 |
| Ng | hehe | 04:03 |
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| imbrandon | tfheen, have a quick question, can i request a rebuild of a universe source package for edgy ( no changes ) or does it have to go though the sru process ? | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | tfheen, atm its not installable , but a rebuild fixes it ( it == mod_mono ) | 04:16 |
| tfheen | imbrandon: it's an SRU, but those should be more lightweight now. | 04:20 |
| imbrandon | k | 04:21 |
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| geser | pratically this would introduce a new version of mod-mono as the last FTBFS | 04:27 |
| tepsipakki | tfheen: dvd+rw-tools isn't built yet, shouldn't it have started by now? | 04:27 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: sources should have been published around now | 04:31 |
| tepsipakki | not on a.u.c | 04:32 |
| tepsipakki | yet | 04:32 |
| jdong | tepsipakki: join in, I do this all the time, watch for debs to hit the archives :) | 04:32 |
| jdong | tepsipakki: it's like watching washers and dryers | 04:32 |
| tepsipakki | heh | 04:33 |
| tepsipakki | well, I'd like to get that on our mirror and fix the machines with backports enabled. thank god it's Sunday ;) | 04:34 |
| tepsipakki | not to sound too impatient.. | 04:35 |
| tfheen | hmm, it ought to have been on a.u.c now | 04:37 |
| jdong | No Builds Recorded on LP | 04:40 |
| jdong | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvd+rw-tools/7.0-6~dapper2 | 04:40 |
| tfheen | dvd+rw-tools | 7.0-6~dapper2 | dapper-backports | source | 04:40 |
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| tfheen | it should be there in a few minutes, I believe | 04:41 |
| tfheen | there, published. | 04:44 |
| tfheen | binaries should be around in an hour or so | 04:44 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting invlved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Herd 5 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by foxxxy1 at Sun Mar 11 15:52:26 2007 | ||
| geser | visik7: there's only the Launchpad web interface to report bugs | 05:10 |
| visik7 | :( | 05:10 |
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| shawarma | geser: Not true. | 05:15 |
| shawarma | visik7: https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail#head-5ea87d70dba160e5903ca01b9eedd8d8476aa2a1 | 05:15 |
| dsas | or there's the malone email interface | 05:15 |
| geser | shawarma: ah I forgot about that, but you have to write the right commands by hand or is there a frontend for it? | 05:18 |
| shawarma | geser: Not sure. | 05:19 |
| shawarma | geser: reportbug should really be fixed to use it. | 05:20 |
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| geser | that would require that the reporter has his gpg key made known to LP | 05:21 |
| shawarma | geser: Yes, I know. That's probably why noone has done it yet. :-) | 05:23 |
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| hikenboot | greetings all! I am wondering if in the next version of ubuntu they have made remastering ubuntu easier and separated components out of the cd like openoffice out of ubuntu-desktop? | 05:43 |
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| tfheen | hikenboot: no, there has been no changes along those lines. | 05:50 |
| hikenboot | I was just told that it is now a recommened package instead of a requirement | 05:53 |
| hikenboot | tfheen, is this wrong information? | 05:53 |
| tfheen | hikenboot: no, that is correct. | 05:55 |
| hikenboot | so i can safely remove open office and have no upgrade drawbacks? | 05:57 |
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| Maor | asd | 06:00 |
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| hikenboot | tfheen, can I safely remove open office off the cd and still have no problems with things such as upgrading? | 06:16 |
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| Riddell | Fujitsu: of course, we need people to test it | 06:18 |
| tfheen | hikenboot: I don't know, just test it? | 06:20 |
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| keyes | hello | 07:53 |
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| keyes | I would code something for Ubuntu with Google Summer Of Code | 07:54 |
| keyes | i'm thinking about a "security center" for Ubuntu | 07:55 |
| keyes | with some features like crypt /home just by checking a box, someting like "clear my tracks" in firefox (clear temporaries files, logs, Trash, ...), an antivirus system (for samba / mails using clam) ... | 07:57 |
| keyes | is it interesting (for end users), would someone be my mentor ^^ | 07:58 |
| tfheen | not trying to shoot down your idea, but it's important to not be too ambitious for the initial work. | 08:00 |
| keyes | yes i know | 08:00 |
| keyes | my main objective is easy partition cryting | 08:00 |
| tfheen | I've toyed with the idea of that; similar to what I've heard Apple's FileVault (iirc) described as. | 08:01 |
| keyes | i've some ubuntu experience (member of ubuntu-fr team and "creator" of easy ubuntu script) | 08:01 |
| keyes | hum | 08:01 |
| keyes | my tool will be mainly designed for laptop users | 08:02 |
| keyes | like the pass on an USB key | 08:03 |
| keyes | put the key in the computer and u can acces u'r patition | 08:03 |
| tfheen | have you watched Jacob Applebaum's presentation of his disassembly of the filevault software? | 08:03 |
| tfheen | (from the CCC this winter) | 08:04 |
| keyes | no i'll look that | 08:04 |
| keyes | (and sorry for my bad english) | 08:04 |
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| keyes | (i'm reading the doc) | 08:09 |
| tfheen | I'm not saying that is the approach one wants to take, but it's certainly worth at least looking at what other people have done before. | 08:10 |
| keyes | i agreee | 08:11 |
| _ion | Btw, it would be nice if the Empty Trash function in Gnome/Xfce/KDE shred(1)ded the files. | 08:12 |
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| Treenaks | _ion: useless without encrypted swap.. | 08:12 |
| keyes | Treenaks, yes i want crypt swap | 08:13 |
| Treenaks | (random-key-generated-on-boot encrypted swap, even) | 08:13 |
| tfheen | _ion: it doesn't make any difference with journaled file systems. | 08:13 |
| tfheen | Treenaks: that plays hell with hibernate. | 08:13 |
| Treenaks | tfheen: yeah, I can imagine :) | 08:13 |
| keyes | yes hibernatise seems to be a problem | 08:14 |
| _ion | bzr doesn't say how many revisions it pulled anymore. :-( | 08:14 |
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| keyes | i'm reading about fuse dm-crypt | 08:17 |
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| neighborlee | curious..why was new gnome menu removed,,I googled and found it was in HURD2, so im just curious what happened ;)) | 08:21 |
| tfheen | herd 2, I hope. :-P | 08:24 |
| _ion | All the cool guys are already running their Ubuntu on Hurd. ;-) | 08:25 |
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| wick2o | hello | 09:18 |
| hunger | wick2o: ho. | 09:18 |
| wick2o | hows it going hunger? | 09:18 |
| hunger | fine. | 09:18 |
| wick2o | I've made a "remaster", well pretting much just a preseeded custom ubuntu install cd....but i seem to be having problems with the mkisofs...it keeps assuming UTF-8 and "Using LINUX_HEADERS_2_6_15_26_SER000.;1 for ;opt/cd-image/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server-bigiron_2.5.15-26.46_i386.deb | 09:20 |
| wick2o | I'm tring to find the correct ubuntu channel to perhaps get some help... even the standard install on the cd no longer works | 09:20 |
| wick2o | I've been folling the installCDCustomization wiki page | 09:21 |
| tfheen | what is the error you get? | 09:22 |
| wick2o | one moment, my qemu just crashed....pretty much it doesnt do the install, it just brings me right into the debconf after i pick my keyboard and location | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | morning | 09:24 |
| wick2o | well not right after, it does the detecting hardware to fin dthe cdrom | 09:24 |
| wick2o | choose language, choose location,choose keyboard, detecting hardware to find the cd-rom drives, scanning cd-rom, loading additional items, then POW | 09:29 |
| wick2o | i get the Change debconf priority | 09:29 |
| wick2o | packages that use debconf for configuration prioritize the questions they might ask you... | 09:30 |
| tfheen | look in the logs? | 09:30 |
| neighborlee | why was new gnome menu removed,,I googled and found it was in HURD2 so im curious whats the status is ? ;) | 09:31 |
| wick2o | tfheen im doing a man qemu...ca use i dont see where it outputs its logging | 09:31 |
| tfheen | wick2o: tty3 and 4 | 09:32 |
| wick2o | tfheen qemu doesnt seem to want to let me switch to those, im on tty3 and its blank | 09:33 |
| tfheen | also, /var/log/syslog | 09:33 |
| wick2o | o wait, nm | 09:33 |
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| wick2o | it does resolver (di-utils-reboot): mark and then menu item 'cdebconf-priority' selected | 09:35 |
| wick2o | nothing with a huge "error" or "this didnt work" message | 09:35 |
| wick2o | just a bunch of DEBUG: resolver (option): mark or mark,dependecy from file-preseed | 09:36 |
| wick2o | i guess ill just have to start over, add a preseed and build iso....then add my extras and rebuild the iso to try and find the obvious mistake | 09:37 |
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| wick2o | ill bbiaf, moving laptop | 09:38 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:cjwatson] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Herd 5 released | ||
| cjwatson | wick2o: it's just tty4 these days; tty3 is another spare shell | 09:58 |
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| siretart | huhu pygi :) | 10:10 |
| pygi | siretart, what? :P | 10:11 |
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| ajmitch | hi siretart | 10:16 |
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| siretart | huhu ajmitch | 10:17 |
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