[12:11] <crimsun> maswan: since you use systemtap, does feisty need an updated package?
[04:04] <jdong> cjwatson: whee, more -archive-latency fun, bug 91180.... I'm gonna see if I can figure out how to undo that one :(
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91180 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools depends on genisoimage, but it does not exist." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91180
[04:16] <jdong> cjwatson: attached debdiff to bug report, please look when you get a chance, thanks
[05:09] <bluefoxicy> Is it alright if I write a spec that culminates findings in live fire research and gives a direction to take to better deploy critical tools?
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> It'll be fairly wordy for a spec but very brief for a white paper; I don't feel like doing deeper research to write a paper.
[08:00] <carson> Can someone tell me why G++ isn't seeing my #include here?
[08:00] <carson> http://pastebot.nd.edu/2086
[08:01] <bhale> what do you mean, its there
[08:01] <bhale> there is no directory named perl in the listing you gave
[08:01] <carson> the file is in the path.
[08:02] <carson> -I/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE
[08:02] <carson> and then within that directory is my EXTERN.H
[08:02] <carson> sorry, i don't understand.
[08:04] <carson> aaaaaaaaaah! i had a capital H
[08:04] <carson> not a lowercase one.
[08:04] <crimsun> I'm surprised #ubuntu didn't assist
[08:05] <carson> yeah, there went two hours of my life.
[08:22] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:30] <jdong> imbrandon: moins? it's 3:30 AM :)
[08:30] <jdong> imbrandon: and I stayed up solely to watch DST switch
[08:30] <LaserJock> lol
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Oh yes, I forgot it about it changing really early over there.
[08:31] <Fujitsu> *forgot about it
[10:16] <somian> Where does "Monospace.ttf" in Ubuntu "Fiesty Fawn" (or maybe installed later via APT/Synaptic), come from?
[10:16] <tsmithe> dpkg -S it
[10:18] <somian> I shall try that.
[10:20] <somian> Ahh. These new (to me, wrt any prior Debian experience) "George Williams" fonts. I am concerned that specifying "Monospace" in CSS will merely pull up the default rather than the specific font I intended. That's what sparked my curiosity.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> somian:  or see packages.ubuntu.com - there's a search for which package a file belongs to
[10:20] <somian> Thanks for the help.
[10:41] <TheMuso> Or apt-file.
[10:42] <tsmithe> hehe
[10:42] <tsmithe> so many means for one task
[11:21] <clust> Hi, how can I dissable autologin in livecd Casper? 
[11:21] <clust> Where can I find the documentation of casper?
[01:02] <imbrandon> any arcive admins arround? have a quick question, can i request a rebuild of a universe source package for edgy ( no changes ) or does it have to go though the sru process ?
[01:57] <tepsipakki> jdong: ping?
[02:01] <tepsipakki> wonded why aptitude decided to remove ubuntu-desktop because of broken dvd+rw-tools dependancy
[02:01] <tepsipakki> and now we have ~200 machines without X :)
[02:03] <tepsipakki> no, make that 236
[02:04] <tepsipakki> s/wonded/wonder/
[02:07] <tepsipakki> is there anyone who could fix bug 91092 ASAP?
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91092 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools doesn't update in dapper  (dup-of: 91180)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91092
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91180 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools depends on genisoimage, but it does not exist." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91180
[02:10] <tepsipakki> oh, right.. 91180 is the correct one
[03:03] <jdong> tepsipakki: any core-dev can upload that debdiff to edgy-backports; then -archive just needs to approve it
[03:03] <tepsipakki> dapper-backports, but yes
[03:04] <tepsipakki> I guess it's not going to happen today, so I need to disable -backports and reinstall the packages..
[03:07] <jdong> tepsipakki: I pinged cjwatson about it last night... I'm not gonna be around for a lot of the day but feel free to bug the crap outta archive about it :D
[03:07] <jdong> tepsipakki: you can always just debuild that debdiff
[03:16] <tepsipakki> easier to disable -backports for now..
[03:16] <jdong> yeah
[03:16] <jdong> cjwatson / tfheen : ping; please help upload debdiff bug 91180 to dapper-backports
[03:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91180 in dapper-backports "dvd+rw-tools depends on genisoimage, but it does not exist." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91180
[03:17] <tepsipakki> bah, it would be best to just reinstall the workstations.. but that's difficult (=impossible) to do remotely
[03:17] <jdong> a broken dvd+rw-tools dep can't lead to that much damage, can it?
[03:17] <jdong> at most an uninstallable package or two
[03:18] <tepsipakki> pkgsync (=aptitude) removed {k,}ubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <tepsipakki> 488 packages ;)
[03:18] <tfheen> which can cause ubuntu-desktop to be uninstallable and aptitude to go tits-up
[03:18] <jdong> you're kidding.....
[03:18] <tepsipakki> yes, pkgsync should have some sort of a panic button
[03:19] <tepsipakki> aptitude, that is
[03:19] <tfheen> tepsipakki: it's really an aptitude bug.  It should hold instead of uninstalling half the world, especially when the uninstalled package is a metapackage
[03:19] <tepsipakki> tfheen: indeed..
[03:23] <tepsipakki> test reinstall went fine, now the same on ~230 machines.. keep the network (and the local mirror) hot :)
[03:26] <tfheen> tepsipakki: IME, pkgsync recovers quite well from such temporary problems as what you're seeing.
[03:27] <tfheen> jdong: uploaded and accepted.
[03:27] <jdong> tfheen: thanks :)
[03:28] <tepsipakki> tfheen: maybe a newer version does
[03:28] <tfheen> tepsipakki: your experience tells otherwise?
[03:28] <tepsipakki> actually, it works fine after I disabled backports, so yes it does fix things
[03:29] <tepsipakki> thanks for the upload!
[03:30] <geser> tfheen: could you please give-back libkexiv2 on all archs. thanks
[03:32] <tepsipakki> tfheen: the newer pkgsync (edgy->) is better that it operates in fewer iterations
[03:40] <tfheen> geser: done
[03:45] <Ng> tfheen: is it way too late for stuff like #76435?
[03:46] <geser> Lure: libkexiv2 was given-back
[03:47] <Lure> geser, tfheen: thanks
[03:56] <tfheen> Ng: hard to say without a diff, but I suspect it's fine to get it in.
[03:57] <Ng> tfheen: there's a diff at http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/librsvg/2.16/ - it's not exactly what I'd call small though
[04:00] <tfheen> Ng: I suspect the crasher is easy enough to fix, though
[04:01] <tfheen> apart from that, the diff is small enough to review easily; most of it is auto* output.
[04:01] <Ng> tfheen: coolio, thanks
[04:01] <Ng> not that I wish to encourage e17 use ;)
[04:01] <kylem> Ng, hah.
[04:01] <tfheen> heh
[04:02] <Ng> hey kylem 
[04:02] <kylem> morning.
[04:02] <kylem> either i just passed out, or the machine i'm ircing from just ran ntp. ;o)
[04:03] <Ng> hehe
[04:15] <imbrandon> tfheen, have a quick question, can i request a rebuild of a universe source package for edgy ( no changes ) or does it have to go though the sru process ?
[04:16] <imbrandon> tfheen, atm its not installable , but a rebuild fixes it ( it == mod_mono )
[04:20] <tfheen> imbrandon: it's an SRU, but those should be more lightweight now.
[04:21] <imbrandon> k
[04:27] <geser> pratically this would introduce a new version of mod-mono as the last FTBFS
[04:27] <tepsipakki> tfheen: dvd+rw-tools isn't built yet, shouldn't it have started by now?
[04:31] <tfheen> tepsipakki: sources should have been published around now
[04:32] <tepsipakki> not on a.u.c
[04:32] <tepsipakki> yet
[04:32] <jdong> tepsipakki: join in, I do this all the time, watch for debs to hit the archives :)
[04:32] <jdong> tepsipakki: it's like watching washers and dryers
[04:33] <tepsipakki> heh
[04:34] <tepsipakki> well, I'd like to get that on our mirror and fix the machines with backports enabled. thank god it's Sunday ;)
[04:35] <tepsipakki> not to sound too impatient..
[04:37] <tfheen> hmm, it ought to have been on a.u.c now
[04:40] <jdong> No Builds Recorded on LP
[04:40] <jdong> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvd+rw-tools/7.0-6~dapper2
[04:40] <tfheen> dvd+rw-tools | 7.0-6~dapper2 | dapper-backports | source
[04:41] <tfheen> it should be there in a few minutes, I believe
[04:44] <tfheen> there, published.
[04:44] <tfheen> binaries should be around in an hour or so
[05:10] <geser> visik7: there's only the Launchpad web interface to report bugs
[05:10] <visik7> :(
[05:15] <shawarma> geser: Not true.
[05:15] <shawarma> visik7: https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail#head-5ea87d70dba160e5903ca01b9eedd8d8476aa2a1
[05:15] <dsas> or there's the malone email interface
[05:18] <geser> shawarma: ah I forgot about that, but you have to write the right commands by hand or is there a frontend for it?
[05:19] <shawarma> geser: Not sure.
[05:20] <shawarma> geser: reportbug should really be fixed to use it.
[05:21] <geser> that would require that the reporter has his gpg key made known to LP
[05:23] <shawarma> geser: Yes, I know. That's probably why noone has done it yet. :-)
[05:43] <hikenboot> greetings all! I am wondering if in the next version of ubuntu they have made remastering ubuntu easier and separated components out of the cd like openoffice out of ubuntu-desktop?
[05:50] <tfheen> hikenboot: no, there has been no changes along those lines.
[05:53] <hikenboot> I was just told that it is now a recommened package instead of a requirement
[05:53] <hikenboot> tfheen, is this wrong information?
[05:55] <tfheen> hikenboot: no, that is correct.
[05:57] <hikenboot> so i can safely remove open office and have no upgrade drawbacks?
[06:00] <Maor> asd
[06:16] <hikenboot> tfheen, can I safely remove open office off the cd and still have no problems with things such as upgrading?
[06:18] <Riddell> Fujitsu: of course, we need people to test it
[06:20] <tfheen> hikenboot: I don't know, just test it?
[07:53] <keyes> hello
[07:54] <keyes> I would code something for Ubuntu with Google Summer Of Code
[07:55] <keyes> i'm thinking about a "security center" for Ubuntu
[07:57] <keyes> with some features like crypt /home just by checking a box, someting like "clear my tracks" in firefox (clear temporaries files, logs, Trash, ...), an antivirus system (for samba / mails using clam) ...
[07:58] <keyes> is it interesting (for end users), would someone be my mentor ^^
[08:00] <tfheen> not trying to shoot down your idea, but it's important to not be too ambitious for the initial work.
[08:00] <keyes> yes i know
[08:00] <keyes> my main objective is easy partition cryting
[08:01] <tfheen> I've toyed with the idea of that; similar to what I've heard Apple's FileVault (iirc) described as.
[08:01] <keyes> i've some ubuntu experience (member of ubuntu-fr team and "creator" of easy ubuntu script)
[08:01] <keyes> hum
[08:02] <keyes> my tool will be mainly designed for laptop users
[08:03] <keyes> like the pass on an USB key
[08:03] <keyes> put the key in the computer and u can acces u'r patition
[08:03] <tfheen> have you watched Jacob Applebaum's presentation of his disassembly of the filevault software?
[08:04] <tfheen> (from the CCC this winter)
[08:04] <keyes> no i'll look that
[08:04] <keyes> (and sorry for my bad english)
[08:09] <keyes> (i'm reading the doc)
[08:10] <tfheen> I'm not saying that is the approach one wants to take, but it's certainly worth at least looking at what other people have done before.
[08:11] <keyes> i agreee
[08:12] <_ion> Btw, it would be nice if the Empty Trash function in Gnome/Xfce/KDE shred(1)ded the files.
[08:12] <Treenaks> _ion: useless without encrypted swap..
[08:13] <keyes> Treenaks, yes i want crypt swap
[08:13] <Treenaks> (random-key-generated-on-boot encrypted swap, even)
[08:13] <tfheen> _ion: it doesn't make any difference with journaled file systems.
[08:13] <tfheen> Treenaks: that plays hell with hibernate.
[08:13] <Treenaks> tfheen: yeah, I can imagine :)
[08:14] <keyes> yes hibernatise seems to be a problem
[08:14] <_ion> bzr doesn't say how many revisions it pulled anymore. :-(
[08:17] <keyes> i'm reading about fuse dm-crypt
[08:21] <neighborlee> curious..why was new gnome menu removed,,I googled and found it was in HURD2, so im just curious what happened ;))
[08:24] <tfheen> herd 2, I hope. :-P
[08:25] <_ion> All the cool guys are already running their Ubuntu on Hurd. ;-)
[09:18] <wick2o> hello
[09:18] <hunger> wick2o: ho.
[09:18] <wick2o> hows it going hunger?
[09:18] <hunger> fine.
[09:20] <wick2o> I've made a "remaster", well pretting much just a preseeded custom ubuntu install cd....but i seem to be having problems with the mkisofs...it keeps assuming UTF-8 and "Using LINUX_HEADERS_2_6_15_26_SER000.;1 for ;opt/cd-image/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server-bigiron_2.5.15-26.46_i386.deb
[09:20] <wick2o> I'm tring to find the correct ubuntu channel to perhaps get some help...  even the standard install on the cd no longer works
[09:21] <wick2o> I've been folling the  installCDCustomization wiki page
[09:22] <tfheen> what is the error you get?
[09:24] <wick2o>  one moment, my qemu just crashed....pretty much it doesnt do the install, it just brings me right into the debconf after i pick my keyboard and location
[09:24] <ajmitch> morning
[09:24] <wick2o> well not right after, it does the detecting hardware to fin dthe cdrom
[09:29] <wick2o> choose language, choose location,choose keyboard, detecting hardware to find the cd-rom drives, scanning cd-rom, loading additional items, then POW
[09:29] <wick2o> i get the Change debconf priority
[09:30] <wick2o> packages that use debconf for configuration prioritize the questions they might ask you...
[09:30] <tfheen> look in the logs?
[09:31] <neighborlee> why was new gnome menu removed,,I googled and found it was in HURD2 so im curious whats the status is ? ;)
[09:31] <wick2o> tfheen im doing a man qemu...ca use i dont see where it outputs its logging
[09:32] <tfheen> wick2o: tty3 and 4
[09:33] <wick2o> tfheen qemu doesnt seem to want to let me switch to those, im on tty3 and its blank
[09:33] <tfheen> also, /var/log/syslog
[09:33] <wick2o> o wait, nm
[09:35] <wick2o> it does resolver (di-utils-reboot): mark and then menu item 'cdebconf-priority' selected
[09:35] <wick2o> nothing with a huge "error" or "this didnt work" message
[09:36] <wick2o> just a bunch of DEBUG: resolver (option): mark or mark,dependecy from file-preseed
[09:37] <wick2o> i guess ill just have to start over, add a preseed and build iso....then add my extras and rebuild the iso to try and find the obvious mistake
[09:38] <wick2o> ill bbiaf, moving laptop
[09:58] <cjwatson> wick2o: it's just tty4 these days; tty3 is another spare shell
[10:10] <siretart> huhu pygi :)
[10:11] <pygi> siretart, what? :P
[10:16] <ajmitch> hi siretart 
[10:17] <siretart> huhu ajmitch