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hyper_ch	Edgy doesn't use 4.4.0 if I remember correctly	12:24
crdlb	!xfce edgy	12:24
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	12:24
Eagle_101	mmm ok	12:25
DawnLight	funny, even though firefox finished downloading the iso, wget found 16MB more and is now completing it	12:25
hyper_ch	feisty uses 4.4.0	12:25
hyper_ch	and feisty uses a newer version than edgy	12:25
crdlb	!xfce4-panel edgy	12:25
ubotu	xfce4-panel: The Xfce4 desktop environment panel. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.99.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 287 kB, installed size 1592 kB	12:25
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hyper_ch	DawnLight: why don't you use the repos?	12:25
DawnLight	what and how	12:26
DawnLight	the add/remove?	12:26
hyper_ch	DawnLight: sudo apt-get install firefox	12:26
hyper_ch	well, actually it should already be installed on xubuntu	12:26
Eagle_101	yeah it should already be there...	12:26
DawnLight	miscommunication here	12:27
DawnLight	i am downloading ubuntu edgy alt iso	12:27
hyper_ch	DawnLight: ah :)	12:28
DawnLight	firefox "completed" the download, and it failed the md5sum	12:28
Eagle_101	hah	12:28
crdlb	wget ftw	12:28
Eagle_101	DawnLight: delete that then, and just use apt-get :P	12:28
DawnLight	i contiuned the same file using wget to see what happens and it found 16MB more	12:28
DawnLight	what is apt-get?	12:29
Eagle_101	DawnLight: did you use two different methods to get the same file	12:29
Eagle_101	DawnLight: you are in xubuntu correct?	12:29
Eagle_101	!apt-get	12:29
ubotu	APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)	12:29
hyper_ch	DawnLight: apt-get is the command line install/package program	12:29
hyper_ch	DawnLight: aptitude is an alternative	12:29
Eagle_101	!aptitude	12:30
ubotu	aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide	12:30
hyper_ch	DawnLight: if you know what the library is called that you want to get installed then the command line is quicker than using the Add/Remove thing	12:30
DawnLight	and what if i just want to download the file?	12:30
hyper_ch	then use wget	12:30
DawnLight	and from a specific server near me?	12:31
hyper_ch	or the download manager in firefox	12:31
DawnLight	which failed me	12:31
Eagle_101	yeah... you should already have firefox on xubuntu	12:31
Eagle_101	if its not working, I daresay that would be a bug..	12:31
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: he's not looking for ff.... he wants to download *ubuntu alternate	12:31
DawnLight	it actually forgot to download the last 16 MB	12:31
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: and doing so with firefox gave him problmes	12:31
Eagle_101	oh I see!	12:31
Eagle_101	righto	12:31
Eagle_101	DawnLight: try using just wget	12:32
Eagle_101	re-download the file ;)	12:32
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DawnLight	it passed the checksum	12:33
crdlb	yay for wget	12:33
DawnLight	very funny	12:33
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hyper_ch	hmmm, civ 3 won't load with wine :(	12:33
DawnLight	oohhh...	12:34
DawnLight	i used to play Master of Orion 2	12:34
hyper_ch	oh well, for some reason I do have vmware :)	12:34
hyper_ch	Master of Orion is a great game :) loved it	12:34
DawnLight	now time for my first Xfburn session	12:36
crdlb	DawnLight, maybe you ought to use cdrecord considering your luck with gui frontends today :)	12:37
hyper_ch	don't wanna test herd5?	12:37
DawnLight	herd5?	12:37
hyper_ch	xubuntu feisty herd5	12:38
crdlb	lol it looks like ubuntu has made its own language	12:38
hyper_ch	crdlb: how do you mean?	12:39
Eagle_101	cdrecord rocks :D	12:39
crdlb	none of those words make any sense by themselves, but together they form a cohesive idea	12:40
hyper_ch	crdlb: that's applicable for everyword	12:40
hyper_ch	crdlb: you have to know the idea behind the word for them to make sense	12:40
crdlb	I just thought it sounded funny, that's all	12:40
DawnLight	plug makes sense by the sound of it	12:41
DawnLight	also smear	12:41
hyper_ch	there's a nice little short story by a Swiss German author - Peter Bichsel - in this story there's an old man...	12:41
hyper_ch	he wonders why a chair is called a chair and not a table	12:41
hyper_ch	and he starts switching all those words	12:41
hyper_ch	and then when he hears other talk it makes no sense to him anymore	12:42
DawnLight	he changed the protocol	12:42
DawnLight	now he needs an emulator	12:42
hyper_ch	hehehe	12:42
hyper_ch	DawnLight: Geek!	12:42
DawnLight	you were here before	12:43
DawnLight	lol	12:43
DawnLight	error - unrecognized command	12:43
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Eagle_101	DawnLight: for what	12:44
Eagle_101	cdrecord?	12:44
Eagle_101	apt-get install cdrecord	12:44
DawnLight	geek	12:44
Eagle_101	then try	12:44
crdlb	well doesn't xfburn use cdrecord?	12:44
hyper_ch	so far I used only k3b	12:45
hyper_ch	looks like civ 3 runs fine in vmware :)	12:46
Eagle_101	crdlb: dunno about that, I just know cdrecord is really simple for doing iso files	12:46
hyper_ch	hiho taram	12:46
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: for creating iso files or burning them on cd?	12:46
Eagle_101	command is something like cdrecord dev="/dev/path" <item pass>	12:47
Taram	hi hyper_ch	12:47
Eagle_101	for burning iso files	12:47
crdlb	Eagle_101, afaik all current cd burning programs just run cdrecord in the background	12:47
hyper_ch	Taram: got disconnected?	12:47
Taram	jupp	12:47
Eagle_101	crdlb: really?	12:47
Eagle_101	lol	12:47
hyper_ch	crdlb: even k3b?	12:47
Taram	i miss clicked :)	12:47
Taram	so i was out	12:47
crdlb	hyper_ch, it used to at least	12:47
hyper_ch	Taram: hehehe	12:47
DawnLight	okay so what are these options there fburnfree and dummywrite	12:47
hyper_ch	crdlb: well, then I also have used cdrecord :)	12:47
hyper_ch	dummywrite is just a simluation	12:48
hyper_ch	and burnfree needs to be supported by your burner I think	12:48
Taram	hyper_ch: how is workin you ajax project?	12:48
DawnLight	give it a go	12:48
Taram	did you fix it	12:48
crdlb	hyper_ch, k3b still used cdrecord (or cdrdao)	12:49
crdlb	uses*	12:49
hyper_ch	Taram: yes, works for the ball... but now I have to make it general... I need to add some special fields like email address checks, or fields where you have a limitation (like rooms available) ....	12:49
hyper_ch	Taram: and then I need to write it in clean code :)	12:50
Taram	that sounds fine...yada-yada-yada	12:50
hyper_ch	but at the moment I'm occupied with exam correction of the assessment level here at university	12:50
Taram	:)	12:50
DawnLight	cdrecord: Bad Option: speed=.	12:50
DawnLight	i set the speed to 16	12:51
hyper_ch	I normally burn as low as I can...	12:51
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DawnLight	okay this is the last cd	12:52
DawnLight	oh my god it just doesn't burn	12:53
Taram	next week i'll start my 6 week assessment of my secound state examination that'll be hard	12:53
DawnLight	how do i use cdrecord manually	12:54
hyper_ch	DawnLight: don't you have cd-rw?	12:54
hyper_ch	Taram: good luck on that :)	12:54
crdlb	DawnLight, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom ubuntu.iso	12:54
Taram	even to you...	12:54
crdlb	I think	12:54
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cycro	hello	12:54
cycro	can anybody help me fix an error?	12:54
crimsun	the error being...?	12:55
Eagle_101	!ask	12:55
ubotu	Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)	12:55
cycro	lol	12:55
DawnLight	never used one of them	12:55
cycro	when i boot my computer up	12:55
cycro	i get a "failed to initialize HAL"	12:55
cycro	error	12:55
Eagle_101	ok, hal is a program to allow easy mounting	12:55
Eagle_101	!hal	12:55
ubotu	hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB	12:56
crdlb	well HAL is pretty important	12:56
Eagle_101	easy mounting of drives	12:56
crdlb	but you can live without I guess	12:56
cycro	but why am i getting the error	12:56
cycro	its random	12:56
Eagle_101	cycro: what is the error?	12:56
cycro	its been workin fine the past few days	12:56
cycro	Eagle_101, "Failed to initialize HAL"	12:56
Eagle_101	that all?	12:56
Eagle_101	no stack trace?	12:56
crdlb	anybody know if hal keeps a log?	12:56
cycro	wats that	12:56
Eagle_101	is there any other data after the Failed to initialize HAL part?	12:57
cycro	i forgot	12:57
hyper_ch	crdlb: maybe syslog?	12:57
Eagle_101	crdlb: heck if I know... likely a logger deamon of somesort would have caught it	12:57
crdlb	well there doesn't seem to be a hald.log	12:57
Eagle_101	mmm	12:58
cycro	let me log out and in to see the exact error	12:58
Eagle_101	well if it errored there would likely be some sort of error reported and caught by the deamon	12:58
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cycro	woohoo	01:32
cycro	fixed my problem	01:32
cycro	but now i have a new one	01:33
cycro	does anybody use amarok?	01:33
jlamr	no but there's a channel here	01:33
cycro	thx	01:36
hyper_ch	cycro: yes I do use it	01:38
cycro	hyper_ch, do u ever get an error about mail?	01:38
cycro	and then it crashes	01:38
hyper_ch	no	01:39
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vidd_laptop	wow....noone needs help????	01:50
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: I do	01:51
hyper_ch	do you have Konversation installed?	01:51
vidd_laptop	with what?	01:51
vidd_laptop	no	01:51
vidd_laptop	that is a KDE app	01:51
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: yes, it is... but you might have it anyway	01:52
vidd_laptop	no...but do you have a question about it?	01:53
hyper_ch	yes, whether I have a reproducable bug	01:53
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Eagle_101	mmm bugs	01:54
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: I know, they have plenty of proteins :)	01:55
vidd_laptop	what is (or NOT) hapening?	01:55
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: well, in Feisty I noticed that the Konversation taskbar icon starts flashing upon receipt of any message in any channel...	01:56
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: and it seems it's not behaving like this in Kubuntu Feisty as I am talking with a kubuntu dev right now	01:57
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hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: so I want to see if someone else on xubuntu feisty can reproduce this	01:57
Hobbsee	hyper_ch: grin - you're doing what i was about to	01:57
hyper_ch	Hobbsee: I'm "always" in here :)	01:58
Hobbsee	:)	01:58
vidd_laptop	so your running xubuntu with KDE parts?	01:58
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: yes, runing a few kde appz...	01:59
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vidd_laptop	not sure i want to flood my system with worthless KDE [explicative deleted] to see if I get the same issue	02:00
vidd_laptop	=\	02:00
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: there are many great kde appz out there :)	02:01
vidd_laptop	if they were great, they whouldnt be KDE apps =\	02:01
Jester45	hyper_ch yes but some are not worth it	02:01
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: some stuff on kde is great, some stuff on GNOME is great, some stuff on xfce is great, its just a matter of preference	02:02
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Eagle_101	like I personally like kate over mousepad	02:02
vidd_laptop	thats like saying there are many great windows programs....if they were great they would ANYTHING programs	02:02
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: and since I don't use xfce because of low techs I use the programs I like most :)	02:02
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Eagle_101	hyper_ch: heh :D	02:02
Eagle_101	I'm sorta that way as well :P I've not had problems using kate, or kdevelop, though vim is great as well.	02:03
Jester45	hyper_ch using xfce is only only becuase of low computer specs i prefer xfce over gnome and kde	02:03
vidd_laptop	thre is just too much baggage with KDE apps	02:03
Eagle_101	yeah they have to have the qt3 or qt4 library	02:03
hyper_ch	Jester45: I don't... I had gnome and kde running for some time but I just didn't like it	02:04
Eagle_101	while xfce is using gtk	02:04
Jester45	ok its your preferance i like xfce better your dont	02:04
Eagle_101	so really I would think that GNOME apps would be easier on xfce then KDE :P	02:04
Eagle_101	but there is some great xfce stuff (like thunar)	02:05
crdlb	and as time goes on, more of the gnome libs are being put into gtk	02:05
hyper_ch	Jester45: I like Xfce better than gnome or kde as Desktop Environments but for the appz I see it differently :)	02:05
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: thunar just lacks the splitting that konqueror can do	02:05
Eagle_101	that is the best part of linux, I get to pick and choose the best of both worlds	02:05
crdlb	whenever I run xfce, I use a bunch of gnome apps	02:05
Eagle_101	hyper_ch: splitting?	02:06
hyper_ch	Eagle_101: hmmm, you know gnome commander? or midnight commander?	02:06
Eagle_101	the devs need to get to work on that then ;)	02:06
hyper_ch	where you have a 2-pane manager?	02:06
Eagle_101	ah ok	02:06
Eagle_101	that makes sense.	02:06
hyper_ch	in konqueror you have a multipane manager... you can veritcally and horizontally split	02:06
Eagle_101	go prod some thunar devs :P	02:06
hyper_ch	for file management I just love that	02:06
hyper_ch	I used norton commander on dos	02:07
hyper_ch	then windows/total command on windows	02:07
hyper_ch	midnight commander on my debian server	02:07
hyper_ch	:)	02:07
Jester45	i just use more than one thunar window	02:08
vidd_laptop	so these "commander" programs are like windows explorer?	02:09
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vidd_laptop	or are they like having to managers in one app?	02:09
vidd_laptop	s/to/two	02:09
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: putting a screenshot online	02:10
Jester45	whats thunderbird's language?	02:10
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: http://www.roleplayer.org/konqueror.png --> right pane: fish/ssh protocoll for file transfer onto server \| left panes just two local one splitted horizontally	02:12
vidd_laptop	hyper_ch, i can see a use for an app like that...but 2 thunars work just as well....and is easier for me to undersand what im doing	02:14
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: well, instead of two thunars you can have them in one piece	02:15
hyper_ch	and just drag'n'drop left and right without being required to switch windows	02:15
hyper_ch	as said, if thunar would have that splitting option it would be great :) I just like a 2-pane manager	02:16
vidd_laptop	yeah...but knowing me like i do...im likely to move a file to the wrong place...where it will do the most harm!	02:16
vidd_laptop	thunar sorta has two panes	02:16
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: you mean the filesystem tree?	02:17
vidd_laptop	yeah	02:17
irokese	Is there a way to make a certain window transparent (using xfwm4's compositor) via a command?	02:17
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: never liked it in windows with the windows explorer.... :) I just grew up with 2-pane managers :)	02:18
vidd_laptop	just wish they would EXPAND the file tree (so it acually WORKS like a file tree)	02:19
vidd_laptop	maybe im too small minded...maybe im still too windowsish....but i really dont see any NEED to have the contents of more then one file displayed	02:21
vidd_laptop	or rather more then one DIRECTORY	02:22
vidd_laptop	except for the making of cd's and dvd's.....	02:22
vidd_laptop	but you dont use file managers for that kind of task	02:23
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: if you just want move your stuff around it's quite handy	02:23
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vidd_laptop	lol....do you RALLY need to move stuff around often enough to make a "move your stuff around easily" app?	02:24
Jester45	vidd_laptop i understand it if you move lots of stuff its much faster but... i would rather open 2 windows	02:24
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vidd_laptop	Jester45, as would i	02:25
vidd_laptop	when i put something somewere...it STAYS there forever [till i format and reinstall]	02:26
hyper_ch	vidd_laptop: when I put something somewhere it doesn't stay long there... normally I just put everything on the desktop and clean it up on a regular base	02:27
vidd_laptop	as do i.....	02:27
vidd_laptop	usually from the desktop to the black hole to the left of the screen	02:27
vidd_laptop	but if i am taking stuff off the destop, i usually fire up terminal, sudo thunar, and drag and drop the files right from the desktop to its final destination	02:29
hyper_ch	good night everyone	02:29
Eagle_101	well it would be nice to have multiple panes in thunar :D but that is just more feature bloat that I'm not sure xfce wants or needs.	02:29
vidd_laptop	gnight hy	02:29
vidd_laptop	gnight hyper_ch	02:29
Eagle_101	night hyper_ch	02:29
vidd_laptop	Eagle_101, just the expandable let filesystem tree would sufice for 99%, with (i would assume) minimal bloat	02:31
Jester45	i like to null everything on my desktop	02:31
vidd_laptop	null? like toast?	02:32
Eagle_101	vidd_laptommm	02:32
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vidd_laptop	wave Odd_Bloke	02:34
vidd_laptop	didnt see ya there	02:35
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cclampblue1	is TheSheep in here?	02:38
vidd_laptop	wave cclampblue1	02:38
cclampblue1	you two one in the same huh? just wanted to say thanks for the advice. bad ram was the problem	02:39
vidd_laptop	cclampblue1, i am NOT TheSheep	02:39
vidd_laptop	just my way of saying hi	02:40
Jester45	vidd_laptop stop messing with him you ARE TheSheep	02:41
=== vidd_laptop is NOT TheSheep
=== vidd_laptop will not take credit for other's work
kalikiana_	2007-03-03 07:50 <vidd_laptop> I am also called TheSheep	02:43
kalikiana_	that proves it ;)	02:43
Jester45	:)	02:43
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vidd_laptop	huh?	02:45
vidd_laptop	i dont think i was even ONLINE on the third!	02:45
Jester45	well the logs say you were	02:46
vidd_laptop	that was the day of my daughter's birthday party......i KNOW i was not online	02:46
Jester45	now is this vidd's daughter or TheSheep's daughter	02:46
vidd_laptop	so someone was inpersonating me?	02:46
crimsun	/nick thesheep	02:46
crimsun	d'oh!	02:46
crimsun	/nick vidd_laptop	02:47
crimsun	d'oh! x2	02:47
vidd_laptop	kalikiana_, can you check those logs to find the IP of the impersonator?	02:47
vidd_laptop	and what time zone was that 0750?	02:48
kalikiana_	*g	02:48
kalikiana_	UTC+1, but I don't take that seriously anyway :P	02:48
=== vidd_laptop takes it seriously........
vidd_laptop	someone is impersonating me impersonating someone!	02:50
vidd_laptop	=\	02:50
vidd_laptop	and someone i RESPECT!	02:50
Jester45	static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net	02:51
vidd_laptop	Jester45, that is my CURRENT ip....i want to know what IP the imposter used @ 01:50 EST on 3/3/2007	02:53
Jester45	i must of been you	02:54
Jester45	it*	02:54
R[a] ndom	you must be the imposter	02:54
vidd_laptop	it COULDNT have been me....	02:54
R[a] ndom	well you saw the ip	02:54
R[a] ndom	so it was someone from your house	02:54
Jester45	it wasnt be becuase i dont have verizon	02:54
R[a] ndom	or someone tunneling through	02:55
Jester45	vidd_laptop looks like youve got a slip personility	02:55
vidd_laptop	kalikiana_, you have that log file?	02:56
kalikiana_	01-01-01 <kalikiana_> UTC+1, but I don't take that seriously anyway :P	02:57
vidd_laptop	Jester45, it dont make any sense.....you can see im not really TheSheep because his IP is in Poland, and mine is in NE PA, USA	02:58
Jester45	long ethernet cable	02:58
Jester45	or... proxy	02:59
vidd_laptop	or one heck of a wireless connection	02:59
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=== kalikiana_ does not no even have log files...
vidd_laptop	ah...so ya just pulling my leg??????	03:00
vidd_laptop	@lart kalikiana_	03:01
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vidd_laptop	hmmm....that dont work here	03:01
vidd_laptop	kalikiana_, that was SOOOO wrong! [like DIET LARD wrong!]	03:03
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vidd_laptop	and Jester45 yer SUCH the comodian	03:05
vidd_laptop	!seen cellowfellow	03:05
vidd_laptop	!seen cellofellow	03:06
vidd_laptop	!seen Jester45	03:07
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jester45 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	03:07
vidd_laptop	?	03:07
vidd_laptop	man...noone needs helpat all tonight	03:09
vidd_laptop	has it been like this all day?	03:09
ormiret	There was more activity earlier	03:10
Eagle_101	lol	03:12
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vidd_laptop	sigh .... installing mplayer	03:14
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vidd_laptop	anyone familiar with player?	03:18
vidd_laptop	wave MattJ	03:19
vidd_laptop	anyone familiar with mplayer?	03:19
=== ormiret uses it
MattJ	Hey :)	03:19
pleia2	vidd_laptop: yep, how are you installing it	03:19
pleia2	?	03:19
vidd_laptop	synaptic	03:19
pleia2	ah	03:19
vidd_laptop	it installed...just wont play	03:19
pleia2	typing: mplayer file ?	03:20
vidd_laptop	launched from menu.....	03:20
vidd_laptop	i umounted the drive...that might solve my issue	03:20
pleia2	well launching from the menu would only work if the version you installed included the GUI (gmplayer)	03:21
vidd_laptop	hmmmm	03:22
vidd_laptop	gmplayer is not in my synaptic	03:23
=== vidd_laptop is running fiesty
ormiret	do you get a GUI when you launch mplayer from the menu?	03:23
vidd_laptop	yes	03:23
pleia2	you can try just launching the command from a terminal, it might very well be in the package	03:23
pleia2	ah	03:23
vidd_laptop	i have libdvdcss2 installed.....	03:24
vidd_laptop	why wont it play?????	03:24
ormiret	what isn't working, and are you getting error messages?	03:24
vidd_laptop	i press the play button, nothing happens	03:26
vidd_laptop	let me try a different disk....	03:27
ormiret	have you told it what to play?	03:27
vidd_laptop	ummmm......	03:27
vidd_laptop	no\	03:27
ormiret	I can't find how to tell the GUI version to play a DVD, I use 'mplayer dvd://' in a terminal	03:31
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vidd_laptop	ok...i dont feel so stupid	03:31
crdlb	ormiret, gmplayer dvd:// ?	03:32
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ormiret	crdlb: yeah, I expect that would work, I was looking for an option in the gui to play a DVD though	03:32
vidd_laptop	ormiret, yer a life saver	03:33
crdlb	ormiret, in mine, I can right click on the interface and choose dvd->open disc	03:34
ormiret	crdlb: cheers, that works. I clicked on all the buttons but didn't think to right click...	03:35
=== ormiret doesn't like GUIs
vidd_laptop	"error opening/initializingthe selected video_out (-vo) device."	03:37
ormiret	is that from the GUI?	03:38
vidd_laptop	yeah	03:39
ormiret	did it start playing anyway?	03:39
vidd_laptop	and when i did what you told me it only played one selection	03:39
vidd_laptop	no	03:39
ormiret	You can change the output from the settings dialogue (click on the spanner to get it)	03:39
crdlb	spanner lol	03:40
ormiret	wrench if you're american	03:40
crdlb	I was like what's a spanner?...Oh british	03:40
ormiret	:)	03:42
vidd_laptop	i dont understand what im doing in here=\	03:42
ormiret	vidd_laptop: to get other bits of the DVD put a number after dvd:// (lots of disks have logo type things on 1)	03:43
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=== vidd_laptop REALLY dont get it now.....
vidd_laptop	the CLI works....but the gui dont	03:46
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ormiret	are they both using the same video output - the CLI version tells you somewhere in the text and the GUI in the settings dialogue under the video tab	03:48
vidd_laptop	It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.	03:50
vidd_laptop	Run 'xvinfo' to verify its Xv support and read DOCS/HTML/en/video.html#xv!	03:50
vidd_laptop	See 'mplayer -vo help' for other (non-xv) video out drivers. Try -vo x11	03:50
vidd_laptop	that is what the terminal says	03:50
vidd_laptop	but it plays	03:50
ormiret	there should be a 'VO: [foo] ' line near the bottom, what is the foo?	03:51
vidd_laptop	!paste	03:53
ubotu	pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)	03:53
vidd_laptop	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9766/	03:53
vidd_laptop	here is ALL the output	03:53
vidd_laptop	=]	03:53
ormiret	line 54 says that is using x11, does the GUI work if you select that there?	03:55
vidd_laptop	let me find out =]	03:55
vidd_laptop	its listed in the available drivers....dont know how to CHOOSE one!	03:57
ormiret	just click on it so the highlight moves to it and then click OK	03:57
crdlb	you may need to restart mplayer	03:58
ormiret	I think you just need to do a stop/play but restarting the whole app would make sure.	03:58
vidd_laptop	yer the best	03:59
ormiret	vidd_laptop: you might want to check the 'enable frame dropping' check box as well since mplayer was complaining about not having enough CPU cycles	04:00
crdlb	vidd_laptop, if you have a sdl choice, it may be faster	04:00
vidd_laptop	seems good now....	04:03
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tasia	How much RAM does Xfce need to run?	04:17
vidd_laptop	tasia, depends on what ya run it with....	04:17
tasia	Err, as in?	04:18
vidd_laptop	in xubuntu you can get away with [i think] as low as 64 meg	04:18
tasia	And what about gNewSense with 64Mb?	04:18
vidd_laptop	you run it on fedora, you nead 96 i think	04:19
vidd_laptop	tasia, you should be fine	04:19
tasia	*And what about gNewSense with 32Mb?	04:19
tasia	Typo^^^	04:19
vidd_laptop	32 is a little tight....	04:19
vidd_laptop	id use fluxbox instead	04:20
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vidd_laptop	butim now WM expert	04:21
=== vidd_laptop is no TYPING expert either
tasia	Ditto. Wish I was though.	04:21
tasia	Switch to a half decent keyboard layout	04:22
vidd_laptop	this laptop only has room for one keyboard	04:22
vidd_laptop	i think i just need to get the arthritis out of my fingers	04:23
tasia	No I mean switch away from QWERTY	04:24
tasia	To Dvorak or something	04:24
vidd_laptop	then id have to repaint all the keys.....	04:24
tasia	But not Dvorak, because that sucks to	04:24
tasia	Nahh just remember which key is where	04:25
vidd_laptop	and then get a NEW hunting licence for the NEW layout	04:25
vidd_laptop	=]	04:25
tasia	Anyway, I'm off.	04:26
tasia	ByE	04:26
vidd_laptop	enjoy	04:26
vidd_laptop	ahhh...monday or tuesday i get a dvd burner!	04:27
vidd_laptop	of course i wont have any disks to BURN on .... but ill have the burner!	04:28
=== ormiret got a DVD burnder a while back and has made one disk so far
vidd_laptop	lol	04:28
vidd_laptop	was it worth the investment?	04:29
vidd_laptop	how many frizbees ya make?	04:29
ormiret	wasn't much mroe expensive than a reader and I needed one of them	04:29
ormiret	only tried to make the one disk.	04:29
vidd_laptop	ah...and succeeded first try	04:30
ormiret	yep	04:30
vidd_laptop	when breezy came out, i made a whole spool of frizbees!	04:30
vidd_laptop	50 disks	04:30
ormiret	ouch, what was wrong?	04:31
vidd_laptop	couldnt understand why it wouldnt burn a disk right	04:31
tonyyarusso	50 ? eep	04:31
vidd_laptop	i found out [much later] that you had to do something special to make the writer work	04:32
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vidd_laptop	still no idea WHAT	04:32
Eagle_101	mmm just use cdrecord ;)	04:33
vidd_laptop	not on breezey....	04:33
vidd_laptop	dapper...yes	04:33
Eagle_101	heh... they need to fix that then ;)	04:33
vidd_laptop	it got fixed in dapper	04:34
vidd_laptop	and THAT is when i fired M$	04:34
Eagle_101	heh	04:35
vidd_laptop	if i could have gotten the package manager for SUSE or FEDORA to work like ubuntu, AND burn disks back then., i would have fired M$ then and been one of thier users	04:35
vidd_laptop	i only really got into linux in Dec of '05	04:36
Eagle_101	heh	04:37
Eagle_101	Microsoft still can't do it can they?	04:37
vidd_laptop	do what?	04:37
Eagle_101	do whatever it is that made you fire them :P	04:38
vidd_laptop	they VERY GOOD at what they do......	04:38
vidd_laptop	produce poor quality software, charge WAY too much and arrest ppl for not registering thier stuff	04:39
vidd_laptop	they make AWESOME malware magnets	04:40
vidd_laptop	the best in the world	04:40
vidd_laptop	=]	04:40
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vidd_laptop	so Eagle_101 ... what brought YOU to linux?	04:43
tonyyarusso	A magical vision	04:45
Koji-Murasame	The stork?	04:45
vidd_laptop	it was the free food...wasn't it?	04:45
vidd_laptop	jee....i hope i didnt OFFEND him with my praise of M$	04:46
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Eagle_101	lol	04:54
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: simple, I got sick of XP crashing randomly	04:54
Eagle_101	sorry I was configuring an emerge on gentoo	04:55
vidd_laptop	you like my depiction of M$?	04:55
Eagle_101	yeah lovely I want to work for them now!	04:55
Eagle_101	well... after they fix XP :P	04:56
Eagle_101	and fix Vista	04:56
vidd_laptop	ya want to test its attractiveness to malware, or be a bug-addition specialist?	04:56
Eagle_101	bug-addition specialist :D	04:56
Eagle_101	lets see... let me add an infinte loop... int i; while(true){i++;}	04:57
=== vidd_laptop has heard a rumore that the [ctrl] [alt] [del] function was acually a flaw in the ariginal DOS that billy harped on as a "feature"
Eagle_101	heh	04:58
Eagle_101	I probably was a feature, as it is the only way to make Microsoft close something. :P	04:58
Eagle_101	*it	04:58
vidd_laptop	he was SO proud of it, that he made it so that the only way to make anything work was to reboot	05:00
Eagle_101	yepper :D	05:00
=== Eagle_101 loves how you can leave linux sit, and it does slow down after 2 days
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: so what versions of linux have you tried before?	05:01
Eagle_101	well rather I should say "distro"	05:01
vidd_laptop	my first was Red Hat	05:01
Eagle_101	mm and how was that?	05:01
vidd_laptop	that lasted like 5 days	05:02
Eagle_101	^-^	05:02
vidd_laptop	two years later.....	05:02
vidd_laptop	i tried Debian (Gec 05)	05:02
vidd_laptop	then fedora (took longer to download and install then to sit on my machine)	05:03
Eagle_101	hah	05:03
Eagle_101	now xubuntu?	05:03
vidd_laptop	then back to deb	05:03
Eagle_101	hah	05:03
vidd_laptop	then Breezy came out and it was all the rage	05:03
Eagle_101	man you could not find something you like did you?	05:03
=== Eagle_101 has never tried Breezy
vidd_laptop	then i ran Kubuntu-Breezy	05:05
vidd_laptop	12.3 minutes (maybe)	05:05
vidd_laptop	back to Ubuntu-breezy	05:05
vidd_laptop	then ubuntu-dapper	05:05
Eagle_101	what was wrong with kubuntu?>	05:06
vidd_laptop	if *buntu is a dog and pony show...kubuntu was the dog!	05:06
Eagle_101	and why is that?	05:06
vidd_laptop	but it sure was pretty	05:07
vidd_laptop	just a sec....ill SHOW ya	05:07
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vidd	os[Linux 2.6.20-9-generic i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x Pentium III (Katmai) @ 448MHz] mem[Physical : 313MB, 71.1% free] disk[Total : 34.04GB, 88.70% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] ] sound[]	05:07
vidd_laptop	that is why	05:08
Eagle_101	ah not enough memory?	05:08
vidd_laptop	but i have recently added 128 megs of ram	05:08
vidd_laptop	=]	05:08
Eagle_101	ah :D	05:08
Eagle_101	heh, so it was very slow :P	05:09
Eagle_101	and I guess ubuntu was slow?	05:09
vidd_laptop	yeah...but i could live with it	05:09
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Eagle_101	now you are on xubuntu?	05:09
vidd_laptop	it was on par with my winxp	05:09
Eagle_101	heh	05:09
Eagle_101	wait... kubuntu is slower then windows?	05:10
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Eagle_101	someone needs to make those KDE people optimize :P	05:11
vidd_laptop	well...i had a disasterous upgrade from dapper to edgy....and found xubuntu when i went to download an install cd	05:11
Eagle_101	ah	05:11
vidd_laptop	and i havent looked back	05:11
Eagle_101	heh, I'm now installing gentoo (with xfce)	05:12
Eagle_101	have you ever heard of gentoo?	05:12
vidd_laptop	yer a better [hu] man then me	05:12
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vidd_laptop	yeah...i HEARD of it	05:12
Eagle_101	.... what?	05:12
Eagle_101	ah :S	05:12
Eagle_101	just don't want to try it eh?	05:13
=== vidd_laptop is AFRAID of what he heard
Eagle_101	what have you heard?	05:13
=== Eagle_101 is talking through a console while xfce compiles (on irssi, version me :D )
vidd_laptop	it is difficult to install new packages	05:13
Eagle_101	not so :P	05:13
Eagle_101	emerge xfce4	05:14
Eagle_101	I get xfce :D	05:14
Eagle_101	I want firefox... emerge firefox	05:14
Eagle_101	:D	05:14
vidd_laptop	what are the sys requirements?	05:14
Eagle_101	what you want them to be	05:14
vidd_laptop	will my POS handle it?	05:14
Eagle_101	you can install any windowmanager or DE you want	05:14
Eagle_101	:P	05:14
Eagle_101	you can install as little or as much as you want on gentoo	05:15
Eagle_101	its totally configurable	05:15
Eagle_101	and everything is compiled on your machine ... so you get that preformence bonus :D	05:15
Eagle_101	but its complex as hell	05:15
vidd_laptop	ah...there's the rub	05:15
Eagle_101	as the start up requires you to know about almost every point of your system	05:16
vidd_laptop	OH!	05:16
Eagle_101	what kind of internet do you have? what is your keyboard layout (easy) ect.	05:16
vidd_laptop	i forgot......	05:16
Eagle_101	what is your video card?	05:16
Eagle_101	but most of it you can find out with 'lspci'	05:16
vidd_laptop	when i had that blow up with the upgrade...i installed SUSE	05:17
Eagle_101	heh, and how was SUSE?	05:17
vidd_laptop	then HURRIED to get xubuntu installed	05:17
Eagle_101	what was wrong with SUSE?	05:17
vidd_laptop	it LOOKED awesome	05:18
vidd_laptop	it ran smooth	05:18
vidd_laptop	i LOVED it.....	05:18
Eagle_101	:D	05:18
Eagle_101	and?	05:18
Eagle_101	the rub?	05:18
vidd_laptop	then i tried to DL the updates, and it somehow DELETED half the system files	05:18
Eagle_101	ow	05:18
Eagle_101	haha	05:19
Eagle_101	hope nothing important was on there ;)	05:19
vidd_laptop	CHECKING for updates should NEVER hose your syste,	05:19
Eagle_101	lol	05:20
Eagle_101	someone goofed	05:20
vidd_laptop	RUNNING the update...ok i can live with that...ive run everry windows OS except vista	05:20
vidd_laptop	but never CHECKING for updates	05:20
Eagle_101	heh :P	05:21
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: did you know that vista takes 1GB of RAM to run smoothly :P	05:21
vidd_laptop	really...i thought it needed that to boot	05:22
Eagle_101	lol	05:22
Eagle_101	my friend has it boot on 256 MB but not run well	05:22
Eagle_101	1GB of ram is just nuts :P	05:23
vidd_laptop	i LOVE how they were selling all these computers at christmas time claiming they were vista ready...and they only had 512M ram, 80G HD	05:23
Eagle_101	yepper :P	05:23
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cycro	hello	05:23
Eagle_101	hey on 512 M they can at least switch to KDE :D	05:24
vidd_laptop	yeah...especially when most economy boards wont load more then 2 gig ram	05:24
Eagle_101	hey cycro	05:24
cycro	how do i make gaim show up in my system tray ?	05:24
cycro	it no longer shows	05:24
Eagle_101	right click it	05:24
Eagle_101	and click add	05:24
cycro	yes	05:24
Eagle_101	and add the icon (I think)	05:24
cycro	before	05:24
cycro	apss wud auto show	05:24
cycro	like if i ran beryl-manager	05:25
cycro	the beryl icon wud appear	05:25
cycro	and i cud right click on it	05:25
cycro	and the gaim icon would appear	05:25
Eagle_101	did you change anything?	05:25
vidd_laptop	dapper, edgy, or fiesty?	05:25
cycro	uh	05:25
cycro	edgy	05:25
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: you wanted someone to help... here you are :D	05:25
cycro	i didnt change anytin	05:25
vidd_laptop	upgraded gaim?	05:26
cycro	it just stopped workin	05:26
cycro	no	05:26
cycro	well i did chagne	05:26
cycro	i installed kde	05:26
cycro	some kde stuff	05:26
cycro	to get an app to work	05:26
cycro	but it didnt work	05:26
cycro	so i uninstalled the kde stuff	05:26
vidd_laptop	Eagle_101, i rest my case!	05:26
cycro	and yeah	05:26
Eagle_101	lol	05:26
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: I'm going to get gentoo going, then I'm going to compare how efficent gentoo is to xubuntu :D	05:27
cycro	so no ideas?	05:27
Eagle_101	how much RAM does xubuntu require with nothing running	05:27
Eagle_101	cycro: I'm not sure at al	05:27
Eagle_101	all	05:27
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: ideas?	05:27
Eagle_101	!gaim	05:27
ubotu	Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.	05:27
cycro	its not only gaim	05:27
Eagle_101	!taskbar	05:27
cycro	its anything	05:27
vidd_laptop	cycro, did you uninstall xubuntu-desktop?	05:27
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about taskbar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	05:27
cycro	no	05:27
cycro	i didnt	05:27
Eagle_101	make sure it is there	05:27
cycro	k	05:27
cycro	tis all there	05:28
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jdrake	Is xubuntu ready for the new daylight savings time?	05:29
Eagle_101	should be, is that today?	05:29
jdrake	For me it is in about 2.5 hours	05:29
tonyyarusso	jdrake: if you've done your updates, yes	05:30
vidd_laptop	jdrake, thanks for REMINDING me	05:30
jdrake	No problem :P	05:30
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cycro	its daylight savings time?!	05:30
vidd	uptime[3d 13h 36m 12s]	05:30
cycro	shit	05:31
jdrake	In the United States and Ontario (no idea elsewhere) it is	05:31
cycro	really	05:31
cycro	zomg	05:31
cycro	so wat time is	05:31
cycro	it	05:31
vidd_laptop	!language \| cycro	05:31
ubotu	cycro: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.	05:31
cycro	lo	05:31
cycro	my bad	05:31
cycro	shitakae mushrooms	05:31
jdrake	They decided to do it early now, for some reason or another.	05:31
cycro	wats the point of daylight savings time?	05:32
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jdrake	cycro: At least spell it right- it is shitake	05:32
cycro	sorry	05:32
cycro	so how do i get my system tray back	05:32
jdrake	Ahem, shiitake rather	05:33
vidd_laptop	cycro, look in your process manager.......	05:34
ormiret	cycro: have you logged out and back in since it disappeared, and do you still have a panel where it should be and is there an empty System Tray on it?	05:34
cycro	ill try logging in and out	05:34
vidd_laptop	ormiret, i was going to ask if the notification-deamon was in his process manager	05:35
jdrake	So how does the newest xfce stuff do compared with xubuntu stuff?	05:35
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cycro	its back :)	05:36
vidd_laptop	wb cycro glad to hear it	05:36
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cycro	ty	05:36
cycro	does anybody know an alternative to kiba-dock?	05:36
vidd_laptop	wb cipher	05:36
jdrake	cycro: Are you in Ontario?	05:36
cycro	yes i am	05:36
jdrake	What city? I am down in Sarnia	05:36
cycro	sarnia?	05:37
cycro	whoa	05:37
cycro	hardcore	05:37
cycro	im in t.o.	05:37
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jdrake	What is the attraction to kibadock?	05:37
cycro	the bouncy icons	05:37
jdrake	Dear Lord.	05:37
cycro	too laggy on my system tho	05:37
cycro	know of any good docks?	05:38
jdrake	Yeah, Dock.app	05:38
vidd_laptop	eye candy for the eye candy	05:38
jdrake	Not available to you though :p	05:38
jdrake	cycro: I prefer windowmaker for a dock	05:38
cycro	oo	05:38
cycro	!windowmaker	05:38
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmaker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	05:38
=== vidd_laptop has enough junk on his desktop!
jdrake	A lot of those projects seem bent on getting flashy effects that have no actual benefit to getting work done.	05:39
jdrake	Thunar seems nice and fast, but missing a lot of stuff	05:39
cycro	i like eye candy	05:39
cycro	i like the mac osx dock	05:39
vidd_laptop	then get a mac!	05:39
vidd_laptop	lol	05:39
=== vidd_laptop WANTS a mac
jdrake	I like the 3d desktop idea for practical reasons, but I won't touch them until ubuntu ships with it scaled back...	05:40
cycro	beryl ftw <3	05:40
jdrake	I had a mac laptop and emac with OSX 10.1.5 to 10.3, and it was fairly decent.	05:40
vidd_laptop	jdrake, why not try 3ddesktop?	05:40
jdrake	My current machine is almost 2 years old, and probably will stick with it or another 3 or 5.	05:41
=== vidd_laptop is looking to build a power house in the next few months....
jdrake	vidd_laptop: that is all eye candy	05:41
=== vidd_laptop neverTRIED it
cycro	has anybody used the englightment?	05:42
cycro	or entrance	05:42
jdrake	THere was a dell I was looking at, it could be had in a very very small case. I am going to try and get a very low power machine next, without sacrificing too much on performance.	05:42
jdrake	cycro: Many years ago, I don't ever expect e17 to be finished.	05:42
cycro	oo	05:42
vidd_laptop	the machine i want to build will have a intel 64bit processor.....4 gig ram	05:43
cycro	i tried installing kxdocker but it didnt show up in my system tray so i cudnt configure it :(	05:43
jdrake	Why 64bit and why 4gb of ram?	05:43
vidd_laptop	2-120+ GB hard drives	05:43
vidd_laptop	i want it to be fast	05:44
jdrake	64 bit will give you almost no benefit for regular applications, and 4gb of ram is way overkill.	05:44
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Eagle_101	what is the fastest computer on the market?	05:44
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vidd_laptop	wave cellofellow	05:45
cellofellow	wave vidd	05:45
jdrake	Eagle_101: Check pccanada.com and find the most expensive cpu in their list, and that is likely it	05:45
vidd_laptop	wave* xubuser	05:45
xubuser	Hi people	05:45
Eagle_101	lol, I'm in lynx at the moment	05:45
xubuser	hi vidd_laptop	05:45
Eagle_101	so I have no clue	05:45
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cellofellow	you can use links2 graphically without X.	05:45
Eagle_101	cellofellow: what? how can you get graphics...	05:46
jdrake	vidd_laptop: Your best bet, at this point, would be one of the core 2 duos, they are all 64bit I believe, but it is the dual core part you would really want.	05:46
cellofellow	Eagle_101: use links2 -g http://example.com	05:46
vidd_laptop	64 bit processor cuzzz the 32bit will soon have an issue with time (dont recall EXACTLY what theissue is, but 64 bit fixes it)	05:46
Eagle_101	jdrake: no he should wait	05:46
Eagle_101	and get the quads	05:46
jdrake	Eagle_101: Those are going to be really expensive.	05:46
Eagle_101	jdrake: of course but vidd_laptop said he wanted wicked fast ;)	05:47
vidd_laptop	jdrake, maybe a quad-core!	05:47
jdrake	vidd_laptop: What is your budget?	05:47
vidd_laptop	what ever it takes	05:47
Eagle_101	what is the most ram that is on the market?	05:47
Eagle_101	16 GB?	05:47
cellofellow	2GB I think. Multiple 2GB modules.	05:47
jdrake	vidd_laptop: It sounds like you are prepared to spend way too much money.	05:48
vidd_laptop	jdrake, yep....the computer shop LOVES me	05:48
Eagle_101	use EBAY	05:48
jdrake	If you have that much money, you should be putting it away and save for retirement.	05:48
vidd_laptop	pft.....i will never stop working	05:49
jdrake	vidd_laptop: You might desire to slow down a little, or have a few vacations here and there.	05:49
vidd_laptop	Eagle_101, i will NEVER buy anything i cant TOUCH first	05:49
Eagle_101	vidd_laptop: heh	05:49
jdrake	Overspending on a computer is a good way to waste hard earned money.	05:50
vidd_laptop	so is taking a vacation	05:50
xubuser	can you give me some money vidd_laptop? I have a really tied budget	05:50
vidd_laptop	at least ill ENJOY building the pc!	05:50
jdrake	vidd_laptop: No, a vacation is a good investment, but can be overspent too.	05:50
vidd_laptop	....	05:51
Eagle_101	errm?	05:51
vidd_laptop	HOW is a vacation an INVESTMENT????	05:51
jdrake	Escape from life is a wonderful thing.	05:51
Eagle_101	caps ftw :P	05:51
vidd_laptop	thats why al gore invented the internet!	05:51
jdrake	Spending money to go out on a fishing trip or something of that sort.	05:51
xubuser	Vacations are like idle time on Cpu	05:52
vidd_laptop	[to hear HIM talk]	05:52
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jdrake	vidd_laptop: So be it.	05:53
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jdrake	vidd_laptop: Would you be the type of person to buy a $700 video card?	05:53
vidd_laptop	no	05:53
Eagle_101	jdrake: no he would buy a $1200	05:54
Eagle_101	:P	05:54
vidd_laptop	mobo...yes....vid-card no	05:54
jdrake	I personally wouldn't spend anymore than about $200cdn on any single part of the machine.	05:54
vidd_laptop	the video card should never be more then the monitor	05:54
vidd_laptop	but if it were a four head video card........	05:55
vidd_laptop	=]	05:55
Eagle_101	4 head?	05:55
Eagle_101	what that mean?	05:55
vidd_laptop	can connect 4 monitors to it	05:56
Eagle_101	ah	05:56
jdrake	My view on something like a cpu is that if you can get something in the range of $200 to $300, you are going to generally get a part that is not too expensive, but expensive enough that it isn't old tech you will be replacing within 4 years.	05:56
vidd_laptop	maybe not the correct term	05:56
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vidd_laptop	jdrake, sounds about right	05:57
Eagle_101	what is the most "heads" that you can get :P	05:57
vidd_laptop	Eagle_101, no clue	05:57
Eagle_101	and what and why would you want more then one monitor anyway :P	05:57
Eagle_101	linux has that wonderful ability to switch screens :D	05:57
Eagle_101	at least Xfce has it ;)	05:58
vidd_laptop	so you can SEE multiple screens at once	05:58
Eagle_101	....	05:58
=== Eagle_101 does not see the use... not for programming anyway :P
Eagle_101	and you can really only look at one computer monitor at a time anyway :P (give your full attention to)	05:59
cellofellow	useful to read spec and see coding window at same time.	05:59
xubuser	how can you see Multiples screens at once???	05:59
vidd_laptop	hack code in on monitor....run the app full screen in the oter	05:59
cellofellow	with multiple monitors	05:59
Eagle_101	mmm I see :S	05:59
cycro	question	06:00
Eagle_101	!ask	06:00
ubotu	Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)	06:00
Eagle_101	:D	06:00
vidd_laptop	answer	06:00
cycro	whays a sleeping process?	06:00
cycro	wats*	06:00
Eagle_101	a process that is not doing anything :P	06:00
Eagle_101	its not active	06:00
cycro	mm	06:00
jdrake	My family's last machine was a duron 600, it lasted the longest - probably 3 years or so. I personally got an ibook (G3-700), then traded it a year later for a emac (g4-700). Apple was probably my biggest mistake (I like the OS, but the hardware sucked). My current machine I hope to have a life of 8 years total.	06:00
cycro	alright cool	06:00
cycro	may i express my love for linux	06:00
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cellofellow	my box is circa 1999	06:00
Eagle_101	cellofellow: nice, and your last upgrade to it?	06:01
vidd_laptop	jdrake, what ya do with the g4?	06:01
cellofellow	40GB hard drive, and a DVD burner.	06:01
Eagle_101	and when was that ;)	06:01
cellofellow	it has 319MB RAM, which is more than the original.	06:01
Eagle_101	figures ;)	06:01
cellofellow	last couple months.	06:01
Eagle_101	so you are not on the same specs	06:01
cellofellow	it's old, but not a drag.	06:01
cycro	as anybody tried avant-window-manager?	06:02
cycro	avant-window-navigator**	06:02
cellofellow	nope	06:02
cycro	its made by google	06:02
Eagle_101	is it open source?	06:02
jdrake	vidd_laptop: After I bought my current machine, I let my sister use it (I went off to school). The screen started screwing up. Right now it is sitting on a friends table (I just wanted to get rid of the thing)	06:02
cycro	um	06:02
vidd_laptop	jdrake, get rid of it my way	06:02
cellofellow	night	06:02
cycro	http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/	06:02
vidd_laptop	=P	06:02
Eagle_101	jdrake: and how could your sister screw it?	06:02
cycro	wat is cairo/.	06:03
cycro	?	06:03
vidd_laptop	ill pay shipping	06:03
ormiret	cycro: graphics library/framework type thing.	06:03
vidd_laptop	i need a mac for work	06:03
jdrake	Eagle_101: I don't think it was her. It was probably just starting to die.	06:04
Eagle_101	ah :P	06:04
jdrake	Right now it works but for the red phosphors.	06:04
cycro	mm	06:04
cellofellow	byebye	06:04
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_3uG_	does xfce4 have a HUGE memory leak for anyone else?	06:04
Eagle_101	mmm not for me	06:05
jdrake	_3uG_: What is the evidence?	06:05
Eagle_101	and what do you mean by memory leak?	06:05
_3uG_	this thing is nice and lightweight, but man does it eat memory if i leave it running all day	06:05
vidd_laptop	_3uG_, not that i NOTICED	06:05
_3uG_	specifically, the menu and desktop	06:05
_3uG_	okay evidence:	06:05
Eagle_101	mmm nothing that I noticed	06:05
Eagle_101	I've let it run for a week or more	06:05
Eagle_101	sits at about 80M RAM	06:05
_3uG_	running htop, i see that xfdesktop has 17% of memory usage	06:05
_3uG_	and the mem part of the panel system monitor will be nearly full	06:06
_3uG_	(oh and this is with 512mb ram)	06:06
Eagle_101	if you are looking at top	06:06
Eagle_101	or htop	06:06
Eagle_101	realize that linux always has something in ram	06:06
Eagle_101	use the system monitor given with xfce	06:06
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_3uG_	and then i'll kill the memhog process and the monitor will go back down to less than 200	06:06
_3uG_	oh that's what i was using	06:06
Eagle_101	and tell us the value	06:06
jdrake	vmsize is 90mb, 3.5k for RSS for xfdesktop	06:07
_3uG_	i just use [h] top to see which process(es) are being hogs	06:07
Eagle_101	ah I see :P	06:07
Eagle_101	well if you think there is a leak, it is probably best to report a bug	06:07
_3uG_	but yeah, it will seriously free over 200 mb or memory when i kill the process	06:07
Eagle_101	but its going to have to be replicatable	06:07
_3uG_	it is for me, but i don't know about anyone else	06:08
Eagle_101	not me :P	06:08
xubuser	which version are you using?	06:08
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=== vidd_laptop does not pay enough attention
moforila	Im trying to install xubuntu, the graphics goes out, even in safe mode. I think its my lcd, I have settings for xorg from freebsd and knoppix	06:09
vidd_laptop	jdrake, what will you take for that g4?	06:09
moforila	Where can i set these?	06:10
jdrake	vidd_laptop: I am sorry, but it is a friend's now.	06:10
vidd_laptop	jdrake, oh whell	06:10
_3uG_	Xfce 4 Desktop Environment	06:10
_3uG_	version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)	06:10
jdrake	Also, the shipping would have been a lot more than the machine itself	06:10
ormiret	moforila: if you get a command prompt you can edit xorg.conf and then start X again	06:10
vidd_laptop	really? where you live?	06:11
jdrake	vidd_laptop: Sarnia, ON	06:11
jdrake	The problem being the weight	06:11
_3uG_	the offending process is /usr/lib/xfdesktop4/panel-plugins/xfce4-menu-plugin	06:12
vidd_laptop	ON....canada?	06:12
jdrake	This thing is so heavy that I couldn't even go a few feet with it	06:12
jdrake	yes	06:12
xubuser	I have the same version, but no visible problems 3uG	06:12
_3uG_	odd.	06:12
_3uG_	i even have icons disabled!	06:12
vidd_laptop	wellll....i need to rack out	06:12
vidd_laptop	night all	06:12
_3uG_	and i have it setup so that rightclicking on the desktop doesn't give me the xfce menu	06:12
xubuser	Bye vidd_laptop	06:13
moforila	ormiret, So a command prompt is an option from the boot cd, Is there any link you can give me to read before going ahead?	06:13
Eagle_101	moforila: command prompt?	06:14
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ormiret	I'm not sure if it's a boot option, but if X doesn't work you should still be able to use one of the ttys	06:14
Eagle_101	yeah you should :D	06:15
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Eagle_101	*now	06:15
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looping_	hello	06:18
moforila	command prompt = console shell ect, sorry for the windows talk	06:18
looping_	is there someone to help me on burning an ISO from command line?	06:18
xubuser	you have to get cdrecord and mkisofs	06:19
xubuser	to do that	06:19
_3uG_	i'll attempt to make a bug report, but i'll probably try to reinstall the plugin first	06:19
looping_	i got that. I don't understand why it doesn't see my burner	06:19
xubuser	try cdrecord -scanbus	06:20
looping_	1,0,0	06:20
_3uG_	cdrecord -v dev=/dev/dvd filename.iso	06:20
_3uG_	that may do it	06:20
looping_	_3uG_: I'll try that	06:20
looping_	_3uG_: thanks, it seems to work. :)	06:22
_3uG_	looping_, it's working? great. =-)	06:22
looping_	I had tried dev=1,0,0 and dev=ATAPI:1,0,0 but neither of these worked	06:23
_3uG_	dev=ATA:1,0,0 may work..	06:23
_3uG_	but i just prefer to do what jorg schillig hates and do dev=/dev/dvd	06:23
_3uG_	b/c honestly, i've seen ONE scsi burner in my whole life...	06:24
_3uG_	anyway, it's time for me to head out	06:24
_3uG_	have fun everyone	06:24
looping_	btw, I used /dev/cdrom :p	06:24
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cycro	hello	06:35
cycro	how do i remove a program i installed?	06:36
cycro	it doesnt appear in the synaptic packet manager list	06:37
xubuser	how do you installed?	06:37
cycro	um	06:39
cycro	some trunk thing	06:39
cycro	and then i ran a autosometin.sh	06:39
cycro	and then make install	06:39
xubuser	oh well, you compiled the program then	06:39
cycro	i think so	06:39
xubuser	try make uninstall on the dir where you make install	06:40
xubuser	if that doesn't work, you have to uninstall manually	06:41
cycro	can i just remove the folder?	06:41
xubuser	what folder?	06:41
cycro	i downloaded the files to a folder	06:41
cycro	and then i compiled it thre	06:41
ormiret	make install generally puts things elsewhere in the filesystem	06:41
xubuser	oh yes, deleting the folder with the sources will no make harm	06:42
icicled	make harm	06:42
icicled	make install	06:42
cycro	rats	06:42
cycro	so how can i cleanly remove it all	06:42
ormiret	using checkinstall makes removing easier	06:42
xubuser	first	06:43
ormiret	but thats no help this time	06:43
icicled	or read the last lines of make install & remove em	06:43
cycro	mm	06:44
cycro	in the last few lines of the make file	06:44
cycro	it says	06:44
cycro	uninstall-am: uninstall-info-am	06:44
cycro	uninstall-info: uninstall-info-recursive	06:44
xubuser	those are labels i think	06:45
cycro	dam	06:46
xubuser	there you are	06:46
xubuser	type make uninstall-am	06:46
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xubuser	in source folder	06:46
cycro	o	06:47
cycro	k	06:47
cycro	uninstall -am?	06:47
cycro	wont work	06:47
cycro	oh wait	06:47
cycro	yeah	06:47
cycro	nothing to be done for uninstall-am	06:47
ormiret	have you tried 'make uninstall'?	06:48
xubuser	look for the labe install in the makefile	06:48
xubuser	there you may find all files copied in the install process	06:49
cycro	that worked	06:50
cycro	gg	06:50
cycro	ty	06:55
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looping_	hello again	07:07
looping_	omg, xubuntu is so stylish...	07:08
cycro	xubuntu rocks	07:17
cycro	good night	07:17
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yumz	hi, is anyone around?	07:18
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looping_	Time to reboot and see what Xubuntu gives on my box	08:03
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wildfire_	..	08:23
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d34l3r	hi	08:48
d34l3r	I got some problem	08:49
d34l3r	I need to get direct rendering to work	08:49
d34l3r	I installed nvidia Legacy driver for Nvidia Geforce 4 Ti 4200	08:49
d34l3r	and I got Xubuntu 6.10	08:49
ormiret	d34l3r: which of the steps on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia doesn't work?	08:56
d34l3r	I used easyubuntu to install legacy driver	08:56
d34l3r	but I need direct rendering get to work	08:57
d34l3r	so what 2 do?	08:57
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bravelion	how do i change my clock?	08:57
d34l3r	ormiret...?	09:00
d34l3r	what to do?	09:00
ormiret	d34l3r: I think direct rendering should work if the driver is working properly and you have a Section "DRI" with the right mode in xorg.conf	09:00
d34l3r	ohm	09:00
d34l3r	wait	09:00
d34l3r	gonna look ;>	09:00
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d34l3r	Section "DRI"	09:02
d34l3r	Mode 0666	09:02
d34l3r	EndSection	09:02
xubuser	Hi	09:02
d34l3r	that's my Xorg.conf's DRI Section	09:02
ormiret	that looks right, you're not using xinerama are you?	09:02
d34l3r	nope	09:03
d34l3r	wait	09:03
d34l3r	gonna upload the xorg.conf	09:03
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moforila	If i want to have windows and xubuntu on dual boot, what is better to have as the first parition	09:30
TheSheep	moforila: there is no choice, windows will not work as second	09:31
moforila	ok thanks	09:32
moforila	can xubutun be installed frist, with a partion ahead of it left for windows later?	09:37
TheSheep	moforila: yes, but windows will erase grub, so you will need to boot livecd and repeair it after installing windows	09:39
TheSheep	pretty friendly operating system, eh?	09:39
moforila	sounds easy enough	09:39
moforila	yeh love it	09:39
moforila	pay $240 for that	09:40
moforila	worth every cent, lol	09:40
moforila	Thanks TheSheep	09:40
hyper_ch	hiho	09:48
hyper_ch	windows can be bought?	09:49
TheSheep	hyper_ch: no, only rented	09:49
TheSheep	hyper_ch: the end user agreement basically says that you don't even own the copy you're paying for	09:49
hyper_ch	thought so	09:50
hyper_ch	the permission to spy upon you :)	09:50
hyper_ch	why am I worried about an OS where the NSA fiddled with it	09:50
TheSheep	who'd want to spy on me? even my girlfriend doesn't :(	09:51
hyper_ch	TheSheep: more than you think... since you support alternate OS so professionally you have made a lot of enemies in RedmonT :)	09:52
hyper_ch	Big Bill is watching you	09:52
hyper_ch	;)	09:52
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hyper_ch	hehehe	09:53
hyper_ch	I'm just thinking whether I should do some exam corrections or play Civ 3	09:53
TheSheep	no, really, "will do www for food"	09:53
TheSheep	;)	09:53
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=== TheSheep bites hyper_ch's hand off
hyper_ch	Hey!!!	09:54
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hyper_ch	thats mean	09:54
TheSheep	sorry, that's my nature	09:54
hyper_ch	sure, if that's an excuse for everything :)	09:55
hyper_ch	haven't you ever seen Finding Nemo?	09:55
TheSheep	remember the tale about the scorpio who wnated to get to the other side of the river?	09:56
TheSheep	scorpion	09:56
hyper_ch	that's just a tale	09:56
hyper_ch	Finding Nemo is real :)	09:56
hyper_ch	:)	09:56
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TheSheep	hyper_ch: Disney is not real, anime is!	09:57
hyper_ch	Pixar is not Disney, is it?	09:57
TheSheep	hyper_ch: oh yeas it is	09:57
TheSheep	or was in the other company?	09:57
hyper_ch	it is? Oh.... ok :)	09:57
hyper_ch	yes, it now is	09:58
TheSheep	On January 24, 2006, The Walt Disney Company agreed to buy Pixar for $7.4 billion through an all-stock transaction. The acquisition was completed on May 5, 2006 (swapping one Pixar share for 2.3 shares of Disney), making Pixar a wholly-owned subsidiary of Disney.	09:58
TheSheep	Contents	09:58
hyper_ch	oh well, they still make good movies :)	09:59
TheSheep	there are about 4 or 5 real companies in the USA, the rest is just names owned by them	09:59
TheSheep	:)	09:59
hyper_ch	:)	10:00
TheSheep	for exmaple, Macintosh is just another part of Disney ;)	10:00
TheSheep	then WarnerBros bough Microsoft...	10:01
null_	waait, macintosh is part of idsney?	10:01
hyper_ch	WB didn't buy microsoft	10:01
TheSheep	hyper_ch: yes they did, when Disney bought Netscape	10:02
hyper_ch	null_: might be about mac.... steve jobs was the main share holder of pixar	10:02
TheSheep	see?	10:02
hyper_ch	how is netscape related to mac?	10:03
hyper_ch	I mean to apple?	10:03
TheSheep	the yare both part of Disney ;)	10:04
hyper_ch	ok	10:04
TheSheep	then Masterfoods bought Stallman, but the health inspection told them to drop him...	10:06
hyper_ch	TheSheep: you've ever seen The Corporation?	10:06
TheSheep	hyper_ch: no, sounds fun	10:08
hyper_ch	it's an sceptical documentation about the powers of corporations	10:09
TheSheep	hah	10:09
hyper_ch	you can get it for free on bittorrent	10:09
hyper_ch	http://torrentfreak.com/sundance-winner-the-corporation-released-for-free-on-bittorrent/	10:10
TheSheep	thanks	10:11
hyper_ch	you're welcome :)	10:12
TheSheep	hyper_ch: btw, did you see the 'trusted computing' video?	10:13
hyper_ch	if you have time and bandwidth to download and watch it, then enjoy	10:13
TheSheep	hyper_ch: it's pretty well done	10:13
hyper_ch	TheSheep: I don't think so	10:13
TheSheep	hyper_ch: http://www.lafkon.net/tc/	10:14
hyper_ch	TheSheep: yeah, I've seen that one :)	10:15
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hyper_ch	too bad that TC is in English	10:19
TheSheep	hyper_ch: yeah, Czech would be much more funny	10:20
hyper_ch	yes it would be	10:20
hyper_ch	problem is not all people I'd like to show that understand english	10:21
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TheSheep	hyper_ch: make subtitles :)	10:24
hyper_ch	would be an option	10:24
TheSheep	hyper_ch: I'm sure they would even put them on that site if you sent the subtitles to them	10:25
hyper_ch	I don't know how to make them	10:25
TheSheep	hyper_ch: there are easy to use subtitle editors	10:25
TheSheep	hyper_ch: you just pause the movie and add the text	10:25
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hyper_ch	ah I see	10:26
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hyper_ch	hmmm	10:34
hyper_ch	TheSheep: do you think a resolving nameserver installed on one's computer will speed up the net?	10:38
TheSheep	hyper_ch: I don't think so	10:39
TheSheep	hyper_ch: your computer already caches the dns replies	10:39
TheSheep	hyper_ch: you can disable the ipv6 dns lookup to speed things if you haven't yet	10:40
hyper_ch	TheSheep: well, this here seems easy to follow: http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_mydnsconfig_dnsmasp_on_ubuntu_edgy	10:40
hyper_ch	I did disable IPv6	10:40
TheSheep	hyper_ch: sure it's easy, but no reason to do it unless you want to have a nameserver in your private network	10:41
hyper_ch	hmmm, own nameservers :)	10:42
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hyper_ch	what kind of box would you need if you want to make a real "router/nameserver"?	10:44
TheSheep	hyper_ch: depends on the traffic and the kind of routing you do	10:45
hyper_ch	just a small home-network... but quite a bit of active connections because of p2p	10:46
TheSheep	as long as you're not doing any content filtering	10:46
TheSheep	we had a P2 350Mhz as the router for our whole faculty network	10:47
TheSheep	over 300 workstations	10:47
hyper_ch	ok :)	10:47
hyper_ch	and what os?	10:47
hyper_ch	debian?	10:47
TheSheep	yes, it was running a very old debian, I think	10:47
TheSheep	but any linux will do	10:47
TheSheep	or bsd	10:47
TheSheep	OpenBSD is especially good for that, I've heard	10:48
TheSheep	at least that's what they say	10:48
hyper_ch	I have no clue about BSD	10:48
TheSheep	hyper_ch: all POSIX system are the same :)	10:48
hyper_ch	what is a posix system?	10:48
TheSheep	POSIX is a standard for Unix systems	10:49
hyper_ch	ah ok :)	10:49
TheSheep	it defines the commands that should be available, how they should work, what API there should be, etc.	10:49
hyper_ch	I see	10:50
TheSheep	Linux is mostly POSIX-compliant	10:50
hyper_ch	TheSheep --> my personal Wiki :)	10:50
TheSheep	this means that if you can handle Linux command line, then you will be able to use most any Unix system with litle learning	10:51
hyper_ch	that's cool :)	10:51
hyper_ch	well, I get my way around the cli :)	10:51
TheSheep	an interesting fact: Windows NT has the POSIX certificate, it cost Microsoft a lot :)	10:51
hyper_ch	how do you mean?	10:52
TheSheep	they basically changed the the members of the comittee until they accepted it	10:53
hyper_ch	oh I see	10:53
hyper_ch	not the way it should be	10:53
TheSheep	the standard itself had to be changed to fit	10:53
TheSheep	but now Windows has an offcial POSIX certificate and Linux doesn't :)	10:54
TheSheep	well, that's the way it works	10:54
hyper_ch	what I wonder is when unices were the dominant server form before there were PC... why did microsoft take a single-user approach instead of multi-user one?	10:55
TheSheep	windows was never meant to be a server OS	10:55
TheSheep	PCs were never meant to be servers	10:55
hyper_ch	I see	10:56
TheSheep	the multiuser approach was supposed to die as PCs were introduced	10:56
hyper_ch	it did for some time :)	10:56
TheSheep	"why would you log in into amainframe if you have a capable workstation?"	10:56
hyper_ch	to run programs from the server so you only have to pay for 1 licence :)	10:57
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grazie	hyper_ch: do you not rember M$'s famous statement ...'this internet thing will never catch on'?	10:58
hyper_ch	yes I remember	10:58
hyper_ch	hi there grazie	11:00
grazie	moring	11:00
grazie	morning*	11:00
hyper_ch	btw, Cz Republic... why must I think of girls when I hear this...	11:00
grazie	dunno	11:01
hyper_ch	:)	11:01
hyper_ch	maybe I should visit TheSheep and he will intorduce me to some of the stunning female friends of his :)	11:02
TheSheep	hyper_ch: polish girls are hot :)	11:07
hyper_ch	TheSheep: not the Cz ones? when I was in Australia I met some hot Cz Girls	11:07
TheSheep	hyper_ch: well, I live in Poland	11:08
hyper_ch	why did you say then before TC in Cz?	11:08
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hyper_ch	oh well, are polish girls nice?	11:09
hyper_ch	Never been to Poland... well, only flew over it	11:09
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TheSheep	hyper_ch: not much experiences with Cz girls, but when I was there I still prefered Poles :)	11:10
hyper_ch	Sultanovich: hola	11:10
hyper_ch	TheSheep: I see :)	11:10
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Sultanovich	hyper_ch: buenas noches	11:11
hyper_ch	TheSheep: it's interesting... I setup Kubuntu on my mom's notebook between xmas and new year's eve and the following two weeks she had a lot of questions but I haven't heard of her for any problem regarding Linux anymore :)	11:14
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nraic	This OS is the best, best ever. Its so good	11:20
TheSheep	hyper_ch: I said about TC in Cz because Cz souns very funny to Poles	11:20
hyper_ch	why that?	11:21
nraic	and the grub boot loader , that the best thing iv seen for a while	11:21
nraic	It works, from the minute i installed and, it just works, see the other drives and other OS on the other drives	11:21
hyper_ch	nraic: if your hardware is supported then it's really neat	11:21
hyper_ch	nraic: but if your hardware is not supported then yuo have a problem	11:22
nraic	Thank you for linux and ubuntu	11:22
nraic	hyper_ch, yeh i hope they can cover everyones hardware	11:22
hyper_ch	nraic: they can't	11:22
nraic	hyper_ch, I using some random thing hardware, so they seem to be doing a good job.	11:23
hyper_ch	it would be to the manufacturer to create drivers that support the hardware... reverse engineering is a tedious task	11:23
nraic	*I'm	11:23
nraic	nvidia does a good job	11:23
nraic	from linux to freebsd drivers	11:23
hyper_ch	you know, I just tend to think the OSS movement and the closed source reminds me very much of the catholic church in the middle-ages... lots of knowledge was horted by the church and there was no progression	11:24
hyper_ch	only if knowledge becomes available there will be progression	11:24
nraic	Whats the linux equivalent for a device manger, that tells me what needs drivers ect, like in windows?	11:24
hyper_ch	nraic: there isn't I think	11:24
hyper_ch	well, you can use lspci and lsusb to see whether stuff is being recognised	11:25
ormiret	nraic: lshw in a terminal, there is a GUI equivalent but I can't remember what it's called...	11:25
hyper_ch	but an equivalent like the device manager... hmmm... I can't remember I have encountered that on linux	11:25
nraic	hyper_ch, in your analogy are you saying microsoft is the church, they do good things but the base is wrong?	11:25
hyper_ch	nraic: you call it good when people get murdered, burnt, beheaded just because they have different believes about the world, origin, ....?	11:26
nraic	LOL dude im an atheist, you cant deny the church did some ok things, but the base is wrong.	11:27
hyper_ch	nraic: what I was ment to say is that we could be a lot more advanced today if the church wouldn't ahve hidden knowledge over several hundred years	11:27
hyper_ch	nraic: well, I do differentiate between church as an institution and religion as faith :)	11:27
nraic	yeh, but they are retarded any way, nothing to be learnt from them except when somethings to hard to explain, they resort to "god did it".	11:28
TheSheep	hyper_ch: actually nvidia's drivers are crap :)	11:28
nraic	why do you say that?	11:29
hyper_ch	TheSheep: they are better then that ati ones :)	11:29
ormiret	nraic: some religious people give great contributions to science trying to figure out how god did it.	11:29
nraic	they offer drivers for *nix, not everyone does.	11:29
TheSheep	nraic: sure, but what they offer is very badly written	11:30
nraic	ormiret, like who mate?	11:30
TheSheep	nraic: memory heavy, inefficient and insecure	11:30
nraic	Thesheep, your still here. I was in before named moforilla	11:31
nraic	I got xubuntu installed and working	11:31
nraic	its the bomb	11:31
TheSheep	nraic: the religious/political/etc discussions are offtopic even on offtopic channels on freenode	11:31
nraic	Ay, I didnt start it.	11:32
nraic	anyway	11:32
TheSheep	:)	11:32
nraic	back on topic	11:32
nraic	i need to install some drivers	11:32
TheSheep	nraic: didn't you say it works right away?	11:32
hyper_ch	nraic: I was drawing an analogy :)	11:32
nraic	I have a DFI nf4 ultra mobo and a 6600GT	11:32
nraic	yeh works	11:32
nraic	but wouldnt it make it better to have the right drivers?	11:33
ormiret	nraic: if it's working then you probably don't need drivers, the right ones are part of the default kernel.	11:33
nraic	ormiret, What about the video card, it has TV out, are the drivers in the kernel for that?	11:34
nraic	also, my mobo is a bit strange it a overclockers board, it can give more voltage to the ram and other things. Are you sure I dont need ther drivers?	11:35
ormiret	video cards are the notable exception, but didn't you already get the nvidia driver installed?	11:35
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nraic	No, apart from running the OS installation, I have not done anything else	11:36
TheSheep	nraic: in linux if something is supported at all, then it is usually supported by default	11:36
nraic	I will try test the Tv out then, Where abouts would it be?	11:37
TheSheep	nraic: the nvidia and ati drivers, and some drivers for wireless crads are an exception	11:37
nraic	also, the package adder, very cool indeed, so easy to use.	11:37
ormiret	nraic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia	11:37
nraic	Thanks mate	11:37
TheSheep	nraic: try to look on http://forum.ubuntu.com	11:38
hyper_ch	nraic: wait until you discover the beauty of the CLI	11:38
nraic	Have you guys used gentoo?	11:38
hyper_ch	nope	11:38
ormiret	I have but not recently.	11:39
nraic	I thought Freebsd ports were cool, but this is much better. Simply because it works. IT WORKS! I love it.	11:39
nraic	ormiret, What was your immersion of it?	11:39
TheSheep	yes, they are putting even more of "it works" into ubuntu recently	11:40
hyper_ch	TheSheep: yes, I'm still amazed how well herd5 runs	11:40
ormiret	nraic: good if you want to fiddle with everything, a waste of time if you just want a machine that works.	11:41
hyper_ch	but then I have to add the the partitioner on the alternate install cd still doesn't work	11:41
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nraic	The knoppix team is very good at "it works" principle. They should get to gather.	11:41
nraic	ormiert, My mate was crazy about Freebsd made me use it as a first *nix experience. Not a good idea for a first time user	11:42
ormiret	the whole point of gentoo is that you set everything up just the way you want so I think they are as close to 'just working' as they want to be, it is for a different use.	11:43
hyper_ch	nraic: why not?	11:43
TheSheep	hyper_ch: my friend was trying to get a linux working on one of our new workstations (totally weird HP boxes, all Intel) for two days. The I came and just booted the live cd :)	11:43
nraic	where as ubuntu could be used by my sister or mum.	11:43
hyper_ch	TheSheep: lol :)	11:43
TheSheep	hyper_ch: and he's no wimp, he wrote his master thesis about loadable kernel modules	11:44
hyper_ch	I wrote my master thesis about something totally different :)	11:44
nraic	hyper_ch, you need to set everything, like ormiret said, you set it the way you like it.	11:44
hyper_ch	TheSheep: what distro did he try?	11:44
hyper_ch	nraic: and why is that bad for a first time user?	11:45
TheSheep	hyper_ch: PLD	11:45
TheSheep	hyper_ch: he's one of the developers	11:45
hyper_ch	oh... ok :)	11:45
nraic	hyper_ch, command line by default, detecting xorg settings is crap, so your sitting and trying to get x working with no help from the web.	11:46
TheSheep	hyper_ch: it's bad because the user doesn't want thechoice between using <insert some obscure term here> or <insert another obscure term> -- he just want to browse www for some porn	11:46
nraic	hyper_ch, and things just dont work.	11:46
hyper_ch	TheSheep: I tend to think it depends on the motivation of the first-time user...	11:46
TheSheep	hyper_ch: on the goal -- if it's for tinkering and fun or if he wants to have some work done	11:48
hyper_ch	see, so I wouldn't say it's ncessarily a bad distro :)	11:49
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nraic	Can i change the window manager in xubuntu?	11:51
TheSheep	nraic: sure	11:55
TheSheep	nraic: some people use Beryl or Compiz, for example	11:55
nraic	What you think of fluxbox?	11:55
TheSheep	too simple for me :)	11:55
nraic	what do you use?	11:56
TheSheep	xfce	11:56
TheSheep	and default xfwm4 for the window manager	11:56
nraic	That's default for xubuntu?	11:57
hyper_ch	yes	11:57
nraic	How do I check what linux sees my graphics card as now? Maybe it will be able to go Tvout?	11:58
hyper_ch	nraic: open a cli and enter lspci and then search for it	12:00
hyper_ch	nraic: or maybe that helps: lspci \| grep VGA	12:00
nraic	cli ?	12:01
nraic	Sorry, im a newbie.	12:01
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TheSheep	command line interface	12:02
TheSheep	nraic: terminal :)	12:02
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nraic	Thanks	12:02
hyper_ch	TheSheep: hey!!!! cli is just so much quicker typed than terminal or command line interface	12:03
nraic	can I have a terminal shortcut added to the right mouse button on desktop click	12:05
hyper_ch	sure	12:05
TheSheep	nraic: settings->edit menu	12:08
nraic	Should I be able to see my other windows drive in the file manager?	12:08
TheSheep	nraic: I think that xubuntu puts them in /media/	12:10
TheSheep	nraic: they are read-only though, because rw access to ntfs is experimental	12:10
hyper_ch	except for Fat32 wich can be mounted as rw	12:11
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slow-motion	hallo	01:09
Grey_Loki	'lo motion	01:10
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\rabies\	hi	01:49
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oops	hey	02:12
oops	with a ralink card, shouldn't it appear as ra0 in network manager as it would on ubuntu?	02:13
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vidd_laptop	good morning all	02:32
looping_	hello	02:33
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vidd_laptop	any issues?	02:34
looping_	with gaim	02:35
vidd_laptop	what's happening [or NOT]	02:35
looping_	it keeps expending so I can't reech the lower border to get the window smaller	02:35
looping_	lower part of the window is out of screen	02:36
vidd_laptop	cant you resize it from the upper left corner?	02:36
slow-motion	bye	02:37
looping_	omg, i'm so lame. gimme an XP cd please.	02:37
vidd_laptop	looping_, talk to some of my XP customers (i do tech for dial-up)	02:38
looping_	vidd_laptop: omg	02:39
vidd_laptop	your oversite does NOT qualify you as a windows-for-life canidate	02:39
vidd_laptop	typical responces:	02:40
looping_	i've been using linux for some time now but i kept some limited windows end-user habits	02:40
looping_	"Turn on the screen"	02:40
vidd_laptop	"what is your e-mail program?" "Internet explorer"	02:40
Grey_Loki	It took me three months to work out how to install stuff (from source, I mean, not apt-getting it), and even longer to work out why there weren't any .exe files.	02:40
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vidd_laptop	"so you use the web mail?" "what is web mail"	02:41
looping_	Grey_Loki: I can't install from sources. Every time i try it, system misses something i don't understand	02:41
Grey_Loki	looping_, you need to install the 'make'', etc programs before you can compile stuff	02:42
vidd_laptop	"open your mail program and click tools....accounts" "There is no accounts under tools" "close the e-mail you are writeing and try again"	02:42
Grey_Loki	I'm probably using the wrong words here, but since x-buntu is package-based, it doesn't ship with all the 'standard' tools you would expect	02:43
Grey_Loki	There's a simple apt-get package you can install that fixes it, but I can't remember for the life of me what it is	02:43
Grey_Loki	Something like baseutils?	02:43
vidd_laptop	!base-utils	02:43
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about base-utils - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	02:43
vidd_laptop	!baseutils	02:43
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about baseutils - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	02:43
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, what "basic tools" you refering to?	02:44
Grey_Loki	I'm sure if you just idle here, someone like TheSheep will chime in	02:44
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, there was an app I wanted to install that wasn't in any of the apt-get 'verses, and only the source was available on the project's homepage, no pre-compiled package	02:45
Grey_Loki	So I dled the source, and tried all that './configure' 'make' 'make install' jazz, but the commands weren't found	02:45
Grey_Loki	I asked here, and I was told that they're not installed(?) in Ubuntu by default, and you have to apt-get them.	02:45
Grey_Loki	I thought that baseutils was the package name, but obviously not.	02:45
vidd_laptop	the ability to compile from source is NOT installed by DEFAULT!!!!?????	02:46
Grey_Loki	This is what I was told, and what I experienced	02:46
Grey_Loki	On Xubuntu, at least	02:47
vidd_laptop	did you get what you needed or still looking?	02:47
Grey_Loki	I haven't actually tried to install anything that isn't in a 'verse on my Ubuntu desktop system	02:47
Grey_Loki	Yeah, I got it	02:47
Grey_Loki	I think it was TheSheep that helped me out, or one of the other regulars.	02:47
looping_	Am I saying something stupid but isn't *ubuntu intented for end-users?	02:47
vidd_laptop	yes...it is intended for end users...and no your not saying something M$-ish	02:48
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vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, build-essential	02:49
Grey_Loki	That's the one	02:50
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vidd_laptop	anyone know how to clear terminal history?	02:50
looping_	I have gcc on my computer	02:50
looping_	but it can't create exes	02:50
vidd_laptop	looping_, i should HOPE so	02:50
looping_	what's the matter?	02:51
vidd_laptop	looping_, you dont make exe's in linux	02:51
vidd_laptop	or are you trying to make an APP	02:52
looping_	exes for executables	02:52
looping_	:)	02:52
looping_	don't think i'm dumber than i am... :p	02:53
vidd_laptop	executables are things for windows	02:53
vidd_laptop	apps are programs in linux	02:53
vidd_laptop	you trying to write a windows program?	02:53
vidd_laptop	or an app?	02:53
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Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, 'clear' has always worked for me	02:54
looping_	checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables << duh!	02:54
looping_	gcc talks about executables so i use the same word. :p	02:55
=== vidd_laptop is an end-user....not a programmer
vidd_laptop	=\	02:55
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, that just blanks the screen	02:56
=== looping_ too
vidd_laptop	looping_, i think you need togive it sudo rights for it to make apps	02:57
looping_	yeah yeah, i did it	02:57
vidd_laptop	but im not 100% positive	02:57
looping_	doesn't work	02:57
vidd_laptop	did it work?	02:57
vidd_laptop	-_- its not anything ive tried...i have no ideas	02:58
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, you have any insight on getting gcc to make executable code?	02:59
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Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, I don't even know what gcc is :P	03:01
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, it is a c compiler	03:09
=== Grey_Loki wants linux to 'just work' - he doesn't do any coding, or such
Odd_Bloke	You shouldn't need to give it sudo rights for it to compile code, unless you're in a directory that only root can access.	03:12
vidd_laptop	then why he getting the error?	03:13
vidd_laptop	is he missing a file?	03:13
Odd_Bloke	looping_: Do you have gcc installed?	03:13
=== Odd_Bloke reads scrollback. OK.
Odd_Bloke	Try typing 'which cc gcc'.	03:14
Odd_Bloke	looping_: ^	03:14
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looping_	Odd_Bloke: sorry	03:16
looping_	yes i have gcc	03:17
looping_	/usr/bin/cc	03:17
looping_	/usr/bin/gcc	03:17
PuMpErNiCkLe	Do you have build-essential?	03:18
PuMpErNiCkLe	!info build-essential	03:18
ubotu	build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB	03:18
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Odd_Bloke	looping_: Check your path ('echo $PATH') to check if gcc come before cc.	03:20
PuMpErNiCkLe	Odd_Bloke: They're both in the same dir, and they're both just symlinks to the actual binary for gcc.	03:23
looping_	I just launched install of build-essential	03:23
Odd_Bloke	Also, looking around, you do _need_ build-essential, as PuMpErNiCkLe said. :p	03:23
PuMpErNiCkLe	$PATH won't give that information.	03:23
Odd_Bloke	Almost as if it were, in some way, essential to building packages.	03:24
vidd_laptop	lol Odd_Bloke	03:24
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looping_	ok the source i'm testing on must be bogus	03:26
Odd_Bloke	looping_: The configure script runs itself on a different piece of source to test.	03:30
Odd_Bloke	So if you're getting that error it is a configuration problem, not a source problem.	03:31
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Lord_Maynoth	does anyone here know a repo for xfce 4.4.0	03:35
vidd_laptop	its in fiesty	03:36
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choppytwice	what multimedia player do you recommend	03:39
choppytwice	and why does gxine does not play mp3 files	03:39
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PuMpErNiCkLe	mp3 support isn't installed by default because of patents on the format.	03:41
TheSheep	and it's illegal to install them in USA or Japan	03:41
vidd_laptop	but EVERYONE breaks the law	03:42
choppytwice	PuMpErNiCkLe: i installed vlc and it works on vlc, why isn't it universal or something :p	03:43
PuMpErNiCkLe	In any case, just install 'libxine-extracodecs' for mp3 support.	03:43
TheSheep	good law it is, that makes 90% of citizen into criminals	03:43
PuMpErNiCkLe	VLC uses its own codecs. Gxine uses the Xine codecs, which are provided independently.	03:43
TheSheep	oops, sorry, no plitics :)	03:43
choppytwice	anyone uses gaim here?	03:44
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Yeah, but individuals can get away with it, because we don't have enough money to make it worthwhile suing us...	03:44
Odd_Bloke	choppytwice: Yeah, why?	03:44
vidd_laptop	Odd_Bloke, i wish M$ thought that way	03:44
choppytwice	i'm wondering how to make my background black in the gaim irc client	03:44
choppytwice	no idea how	03:44
vidd_laptop	in china they paying ppl to turn pirates in	03:45
choppytwice	Odd_Bloke: you have any idea how	03:46
Grey_Loki	What do you mean by the 'background'?	03:47
Grey_Loki	As in, so you see white text on a black background when talking to someone?	03:47
vidd_laptop	If one reverse engineered a method for encoding and decoding a proprietary format...does that REALLY violate a patent?	03:47
Odd_Bloke	choppytwice: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/skins.php also.	03:47
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Possibly.	03:48
choppytwice	Grey_Loki: yes.	03:48
Grey_Loki	choppytwice, Odd_Bloke's link pretty much explains it	03:49
Grey_Loki	If you downloaded a theme for it, it would probably work.	03:49
choppytwice	i'll look for a theme then	03:49
vidd_laptop	M$ might be starting to lean towards open media format and away from MP3	03:49
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Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, got linkage for that?	03:50
vidd_laptop	they got sued for like 1point something billion last month	03:50
Grey_Loki	I'd say they were pretty much stuck to their .wmx format.	03:50
PuMpErNiCkLe	1.52Bn.	03:50
vidd_laptop	thky PuMpErNiCkLe	03:50
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Yeah, !MP3 != open	03:50
vidd_laptop	?	03:51
PuMpErNiCkLe	It's likely to get reversed, though, since Alcatel-Lucent don't seem to actually own the patents in question.	03:51
vidd_laptop	they sued for something they dont own the patents for????	03:51
PuMpErNiCkLe	In either case, they've got WMA.	03:52
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Grey_Loki	I can't see why everyone's getting all up in arms about MP3 and WMA, anyways	03:52
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: (Not MP3) is not equal to (open)	03:53
Grey_Loki	Ogg Vorbis is a much better format, and is also open source, if memory serves	03:53
vidd_laptop	Odd_Bloke, ok	03:53
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, it is	03:53
Odd_Bloke	Grey_Loki: It is certainly open source.	03:53
=== Odd_Bloke has no idea about quality.
vidd_laptop	Odd_Bloke, is that programmer shorthand?	03:53
Grey_Loki	Odd_Bloke, it's got much more headroom in it than MP3 and WMA.	03:54
vidd_laptop	we need to start a grass-roots movement to make government either kill patents, or require device makers to have thier devices work with open formats as well as proprietary	03:55
TheSheep	vidd_laptop: "start"?	03:56
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: It's standard logic notation in quite a few, yeah.	03:56
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, you mean, remove the stranglehold that manufaturers have on their consumer base!?	03:56
Odd_Bloke	Grey_Loki: Cool.	03:56
Grey_Loki	Odd_Bloke, if you have a device where you can hear the difference, that is :P	03:56
TheSheep	vidd_laptop: why not join one of the dozen existing ones instead? :)	03:57
vidd_laptop	....lack of knowledge?	03:57
TheSheep	you must be kidding	03:57
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Defective by Design?	03:58
vidd_laptop	we need to do a multi-million-man-march on the streets of Washington, London, Stockholm	03:59
TheSheep	Moscow...	03:59
TheSheep	and Tokyo	04:00
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TheSheep	not to mention Pekin	04:01
TheSheep	oh, wait, the last time they marched there it wasn't nice...	04:01
vidd_laptop	all the major capitals at the same time	04:01
vidd_laptop	TheSheep, sure lets get run over by tanks again	04:02
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=== vidd_laptop thinks it would be awesome for world governments to say that once something is lable a "standard" that patents to them are no longer enforcable"
vidd_laptop	MP3 is considered "THE Standard" media format for music...is it not?	04:06
PuMpErNiCkLe	No.	04:06
PuMpErNiCkLe	It is, however, a standard.	04:06
PuMpErNiCkLe	(In that there is an official spec.)	04:07
oops	hum,when I'm trying to install Rutil, it appears in the terminal that I don't have GTK 2.6.0 +	04:08
oops	:\ im not sure what do , if that is a package, could someone redirect me to it?	04:08
PuMpErNiCkLe	What installation method are you using for Rutil?	04:08
vidd_laptop	If the "standards consortium" [whoever the ppl are that determine if something is a standard or not] determine its a standard, then patents to that format should no longer be enforcable	04:08
PuMpErNiCkLe	The people who made the mp3 spec are the patent holders, here.	04:10
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Then no-one makes standards, and we're much, much worse off.	04:10
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vidd_laptop	there will ALWAYS be standards	04:12
vidd_laptop	so i guess what we need then is to get maufactures to have thier little music devises to play MORE then mp3's	04:13
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vidd_laptop	you would THINK they would WANT to say MP3 and Ogg Vorbis media formats....like its an upsell	04:14
vidd_laptop	More value to the consumer	04:14
vidd_laptop	maybe im stupid here...but where is the DOWNSIDE to these devises playing both?	04:15
Grey_Loki	Higher R&D costs, for one	04:15
Grey_Loki	Higher production costs, for another	04:15
vidd_laptop	but its just software	04:16
PuMpErNiCkLe	Not in all cases.	04:16
Grey_Loki	Which needs to be coded and bugtested	04:16
PuMpErNiCkLe	Often, parts of it are implemented in hardware, and MP3 is much easier to manage there than Vorbis.	04:17
vidd_laptop	ic	04:17
vidd_laptop	well....not really...but ok'	04:17
ComputerHermit	how come I cant delete any logg files in my root folder they have a red X anyone tell me please?	04:17
Grey_Loki	ComputerHermit, if you used sudo rm, rather than just rm, it'd work	04:18
vidd_laptop	ComputerHermit, you need write access to delete files	04:18
Grey_Loki	You don't have permission to access/delete them	04:18
ComputerHermit	ok cool I done the rm command	04:18
ComputerHermit	dident work	04:18
Grey_Loki	If you must do it in thunar, use 'sudo thunar'	04:18
Grey_Loki	ComputerHermit, you ran sudo rm /path/to/file, and it didn't work?	04:19
vidd_laptop	from a terminal of course	04:19
vidd_laptop	where is this file?	04:19
ComputerHermit	I will try the write access	04:19
vidd_laptop	ComputerHermit, WHERE is this file	04:20
ComputerHermit	root	04:20
ComputerHermit	right in the file system	04:20
vidd_laptop	/ directory?	04:20
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vidd_laptop	in terminal, type "sudo thunar"	04:20
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Regarding the hardware thing, some parts of the MP3 decoding process can be done by specialised hardware. This means less load on other parts of the hardware, so they don't need to be as capable (and are hence cheaper).	04:20
oops	hum sorry back with the Rutil problem	04:22
ComputerHermit	thanks	04:22
oops	well in the terminal I cd to rutil	04:22
oops	then ./configure.sh	04:22
ComputerHermit	vidd_laptop	04:22
ComputerHermit	thank you	04:22
vidd_laptop	np	04:22
oops	and when I do this it says that I don't have gtk2.6.0+	04:22
oops	or something very similar	04:23
vidd_laptop	!rutil	04:23
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about rutil - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	04:24
vidd_laptop	!gtk	04:24
ubotu	GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI	04:24
vidd_laptop	oops, what version of gtk do you have installed?	04:24
oops	I think I have 2.6.0	04:25
oops	but rutil asks for	04:25
oops	2.6.0 +	04:25
oops	but when I search for packages like that	04:25
oops	I can't find them	04:25
vidd_laptop	the "+" means "or higher" i think	04:25
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oops	I thought so too, but is there a gtk2.7.0 for instance? :s	04:26
oops	I was looking for that kind of package	04:26
vidd_laptop	no clue......i have no use gtk packages (that i know of)	04:27
Odd_Bloke	oops: It'll mean things like 2.6.1 as well as 2.7.0+ etc.	04:28
vidd_laptop	Odd_Bloke, that was rather enlightening	04:28
oops	xD	04:28
=== vidd_laptop has no clue about ALOT of things it seems
oops	yea, I got that by now, but does that package exists? if so, redirect me to it please	04:29
=== oops sez NahhH!
vidd_laptop	oops, im the wrong person to ask about "what's the latest package of [insert name here] "	04:30
vidd_laptop	if the app i want is not in the repo's, i find something that is	04:30
vidd_laptop	or i download a .deb file	04:30
MattJ	Any idea why my magic sysrq keys don't work?	04:31
MattJ	I wondered if it was an Xubuntu thing	04:32
MattJ	But do they work for everyone else here?	04:32
vidd_laptop	MattJ, never tried	04:32
MattJ	Hmm :/	04:32
vidd_laptop	oops, what is the package you are trying to install?	04:32
Odd_Bloke	oops: I think you're looking for libgtk	04:34
Odd_Bloke	oops: libgtk2, rather. Which has been 2.8+ since Breezy.	04:35
vidd_laptop	brbr	04:35
ice_world	is there any diffrence between oem installation and any other installation?	04:42
Odd_Bloke	ice_world: In terms of which CD you download?	04:43
ice_world	alternate	04:43
oops	vidd-laptop, that's what I've been doing, since I can't hook up via ethernet, I'm dual-booting, downloading packages (.deb) and then going to xubuntu and installing them	04:44
ice_world	anyone know?	04:46
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Eagle_101	!xfce4-extra	05:22
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce4-extra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	05:22
TheSheep	Eagle_101: looking for something particular?	05:22
Eagle_101	TheSheep: not really, I was wondering what was up with that particular package group	05:23
Eagle_101	As in gentoo there seems to be problems emerging it. :(	05:23
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ice_world	thanks vidd_laptop	05:24
vidd_laptop	ice_world, no problem	05:24
ice_world	after i have done a regular user, i will haveto make a root user if i want one?	05:24
vidd_laptop	no...	05:25
vidd_laptop	there IS ALWAYS a root user.....	05:25
vidd_laptop	you just dont know the password	05:25
vidd_laptop	PM me and i will give instruction	05:25
vidd_laptop	i wont say how in open channel, as it is BAD PRACTICE	05:26
ice_world	i see	05:26
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vidd_laptop	root login = VERY BAD	05:27
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vidd_laptop	its ALMOST as bad as running windows on MAC	05:28
PuMpErNiCkLe	It's not inherently bad. It's more of a user-habits based security approach that makes using sudo generally safer.	05:29
R[a] ndom	indeed PuMpErNiCkLe	05:29
R[a] ndom	theres nothing wrong with root login	05:29
R[a] ndom	its just more dangerous for noobs	05:29
R[a] ndom	cause they forget to unroot	05:30
TheSheep	vidd_laptop: don't exaggerate	05:30
R[a] ndom	oh lolol	05:30
R[a] ndom	I just scrolled up and read	05:30
vidd_laptop	i said almost......	05:30
R[a] ndom	rofl @ wont say in open channel	05:30
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R[a] ndom	sudo passwd	05:31
=== R[a] ndom did it
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, I went to a computer security conference, and the microsoft guy opened up his presentation laptop - it was a mac	05:32
vidd_laptop	R[a] ndom, now i dont get a trace route to his local hub so i cna install aporn derver!	05:32
vidd_laptop	lol	05:32
Grey_Loki	Heard a load of gasps	05:32
Grey_Loki	He says 'Hey - mac is the best platform for running windows i've ever seen!'	05:32
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, its BLASPHAMY!!!!!!	05:33
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ice_world	why cant i choose sweden as location if i choose english as my language?	05:34
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ice_world	nm it worked now :p	05:34
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, blasphemy?	05:34
Grey_Loki	How so?	05:34
Grey_Loki	Surely you should run an OS on the best platform you possibly can?	05:34
Grey_Loki	Even if the platform does happen to be one of your competitor's	05:34
vidd_laptop	ya get a decent secure system, and instal a malware magnet on it!	05:34
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Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, what exactly would it do?	05:35
Grey_Loki	I mean sure, it'd screw up your windows partition - wipe it, and start again	05:35
Grey_Loki	It's not gonna bring your laptop down	05:35
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, but its SO WRONG.....like DIET LARD wrong	05:36
Grey_Loki	?	05:38
Grey_Loki	Sorry I don't understand - I left all the operating system fanboyism behind when I started using Xubuntu.	05:38
ice_world	hehe	05:39
vidd_laptop	im not an OS fanboy...im a M$ basher	05:39
TheSheep	Grey_Loki: where did you left it? do you want somene to step in it and hurt himself?	05:39
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, given the state of the current MS monopoly, they're one and the same	05:40
Grey_Loki	TheSheep, I locked it away in a disused missile silo :P	05:40
vidd_laptop	Grey_Loki, how so....EVERY OS is better then M$....fanboys say "This one is the best"	05:41
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, what makes XP so bad?	05:42
Grey_Loki	I mean, honestly - what's bad about it?	05:42
Grey_Loki	Or to clarify - what's so bad it makes people degenerate into slathering maniacs about it?	05:43
vidd_laptop	it is very unsecure,	05:43
ice_world	how so?	05:43
vidd_laptop	it is EVIL	05:43
Grey_Loki	OK, point 2 isn't a valid point :P	05:43
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vidd_laptop	any application can do whatevery IT wants without asking or even NOTIFYING the user	05:44
Grey_Loki	And I run an XP desktop, I leave it on for days at a time, I run one firewall and one antivirus, and i've not yet had even a minor error/hack, let alone a serious one	05:45
Odd_Bloke	vidd_laptop: Not necessarily true.	05:45
Grey_Loki	You don't keep any eye on what applications you install?	05:45
vidd_laptop	of course i do....but the old lady is online this very moment downloading who-knows-what via her instant messaging program without even realizing it	05:46
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ice_world	is it recommend not to do anything whilst updating xubuntu?	05:47
vidd_laptop	and there are things like "click here to see this funny picture while our bot installs 10 malware programs on your system"	05:47
vidd_laptop	ice_world, you should be able to do whatever you like while updating	05:48
Dame	I want to boot xubuntu from usb flash drive. Ive formated my usb flash memory in ext3 filesystem and now im copying the xubuntu CD into the usb flash memory. Do I need to do something else?	05:48
ice_world	ok, it seemed like firefox hung up tho :( maybe it just was cus the updater took all the resources	05:49
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, so perhaps you should take a bit of time to learn about XP user permissions?	05:49
R[a] ndom	Grey_Loki, user permissions often break programs tho	05:49
Odd_Bloke	ice_world: If you're dist-upgrading, then you might have problems.	05:49
R[a] ndom	from what I've read anyway	05:49
R[a] ndom	I've never had an xp system	05:49
Grey_Loki	R[a] ndom, possibly - I must say i've never used them in a home environment - I used to help administrate a subnet of my school's network	05:50
vidd_laptop	what i SHOULD do is take the time to save the data files on that system and put linux on it	05:50
Grey_Loki	We had to be quite draconian about what could and couldn't be run	05:50
R[a] ndom	yeah, in a setup like that it works alright	05:50
R[a] ndom	assuming you can trust the users	05:50
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R[a] ndom	cause it seems pretty easy to escalate permissions	05:51
Grey_Loki	Hah	05:51
Grey_Loki	Nice quit	05:51
ice_world	Odd_Bloke im doing the "software updater" thing, dunno what it updates tbh, I havent used ubuntu/xubuntu for more than 30 min	05:51
vidd_laptop	the boy complained for about 2 days when i refused to but windows on his custom built machine	05:51
vidd_laptop	now he wants windows off his other system	05:51
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Odd_Bloke	ice_world: You should be fine then.	05:52
Grey_Loki	vidd_laptop, horses for courses, dude - if you're gonna be a gamer, you need windows; no other way around it	05:52
ice_world	this thing with "tabs" for the desktop is great btw, how long has it been out?	05:53
vidd_laptop	we need to fix that	05:53
vidd_laptop	ice_world, you mean the virtual desktops?	05:53
Grey_Loki	Ages - it's not a new concept at all	05:54
ice_world	dont have a clue what the name for it is but i have 4 boxes next to the thrash bin so i can do diffrent things on each one of em	05:54
vidd_laptop	M$ will probably release it in thier next version	05:54
ice_world	they dont even have it in vista?	05:54
TheSheep	ice_world: workspaces	05:54
ice_world	poor show	05:55
vidd_laptop	dont think so	05:55
Grey_Loki	Not AFAIK, no	05:55
TheSheep	ice_world: it's in unix worlds since... let me think... CDE?	05:55
ice_world	cde?	05:55
TheSheep	there is an extension for Windows XP that adds them	05:55
TheSheep	Common Desktop Environment, for solaris, circa 1980 I think	05:55
ice_world	lol, 1980 xD	05:56
TheSheep	85 maybe	05:56
TheSheep	bah, 1993	05:56
TheSheep	but the idea is older	05:57
ice_world	1993 is still plenty for time for ms to steal the idea	05:57
TheSheep	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment	05:57
TheSheep	ice_world: they won't, it doesn't fit the way a windows user works	05:57
TheSheep	ice_world: btw. the lack of workspaces is imho the main reason why peole hate GIMP	05:58
Odd_Bloke	There are mods for Windows that do it, as has been set...	05:58
TheSheep	Odd_Bloke: sure, but the y are slow and use lots of memory	05:59
ice_world	yea but you haveto know about the mods to use them	05:59
Odd_Bloke	!s/set/said/	05:59
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about s/set/said/ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	05:59
TheSheep	Odd_Bloke: and somehow it doesn't work that well on windows	05:59
Odd_Bloke	Oops, wrong channel for that command. :p	05:59
Odd_Bloke	TheSheep: Yeah, but if they added support for it, it'd be fine...	06:00
ice_world	is installing a .deb packagre more or less the same as installing an .exe in windows?	06:00
TheSheep	ah, OpenWindows had workplaces even earlier	06:01
TheSheep	ice_world: morelike installing an .msi on windows	06:01
ice_world	ok	06:01
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TheSheep	twm (1987) had workspaces	06:03
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TheSheep	seems like the idea is from SOlaris after all	06:07
ice_world	any ideas to why music and video playback dosent work?	06:17
Odd_Bloke	ice_world: Depends on what you're trying to play...	06:18
ice_world	mp3, mpg and avi	06:18
ice_world	the mpg files gets video but thats all	06:18
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Odd_Bloke	ice_world: You'll need to install some codecs...	06:21
ice_world	ok	06:21
ice_world	i thought they were preinstalled	06:21
ice_world	btw cool that you could move windows between workspaces	06:22
R[a] ndom	!media \| ice_world	06:26
ubotu	ice_world: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based). Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs	06:26
R[a] ndom	!codecs	06:26
ubotu	For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats	06:26
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Odd_Bloke	ice_world: ^	06:28
TheSheep	http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/splash/whistler2257.png <-- haha	06:29
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sacater	where can i get sound drivers for my soundcard	06:40
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TheSheep	sacater: what is your soundcard	06:41
TheSheep	?	06:41
sacater	TheSheep: i should have been more specific :P, i mean the one thats on my motherboard, i have no 'soundCARD', i love my MoBo sound	06:42
TheSheep	sacater: doesn't matter if it's build in or saparate	06:43
sacater	TheSheep: erm, all i really know is its SiS	06:44
sacater	'silicon integrated systems/services	06:44
TheSheep	sacater: lspci \| grep audio	06:45
sacater	kk	06:45
sacater	00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)	06:45
sacater	TheSheep:	06:45
TheSheep	sacater: the driver should be instegrated in your kernel	06:45
TheSheep	sacater: you don't have sound?	06:46
sacater	TheSheep: no i do, i just dont know whether or not im running drivers, and if not where can i get them to maybe improve the sound	06:46
TheSheep	sacater: well, linux doesn't have "drivers" in the sense that windows has -- except for the graphical drivers	06:47
sacater	TheSheep: ok, that may be why i did 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' when i got my nvidia card :P	06:47
sacater	then 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'	06:47
TheSheep	sacater: the producers usually don't make drivers for linux, so the code must be written by linux developers -- and then it can be included in the kernel itself	06:48
TheSheep	sacater: there are few producers who, like nvidia, provide their own drivers	06:48
TheSheep	sacater: but usually all the support is built directly into the system	06:49
TheSheep	and "just works" (or just doesn't)	06:49
sacater	TheSheep: oh cool	06:50
sacater	thanks for the help	06:50
ice_world	thx everyone for the help about codecs and players(i was away when you typed it...)	06:52
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Odd_Bloke	oops-away: Away messages are considered bad form.	07:10
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vidd_laptop	i swear....i dont know which is worse....windows users or MAC users!	07:33
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vidd_laptop	these 2 londs walk into a bar....the brunette ducks	07:35
vidd_laptop	*blondes	07:35
PupUser-7ca5af	Got a question: is there a way to launch applications on the desktop with one click? I'm using xubuntu 6.10 Xfce manager.	07:36
vidd_laptop	there IS a way....but i dont know it	07:37
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oops	(System Info) [CPU: <cpuinfo>] -[Memory: <totalphysicalmem>MB] -[Video Card: <videocard>] -[Sound Card: <soundcard>]	07:37
oops	wtf?	07:37
oops	(System Info) [CPU: Intel Pentium III] -[Memory: 256MB] -[Video Card: nVidia GeForce2 MX 100/200 (Microsoft Corporation)] -[Sound Card: VIA - udio (WAVE)] -[Resolution: 1152x864x32bpp 75Hz] -[OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)] -[Uptime: 7h 26m 51s]	07:37
oops	ah	07:37
oops	xubuntu applicant right? x)	07:37
PupUser-7ca5af	right	07:38
vidd_laptop	oops, you betcha	07:38
vidd_laptop	run like a race horse compared to now	07:38
oops	lawl	07:38
oops	if I just could get the ralink working, I wouldn't even be on dual-boot	07:39
oops	gotta try that guide	07:39
oops	however, I can't be hooked via ethernet	07:40
oops	any guide for ndiswrapper that doesn't envolved being connected through ethernet?	07:41
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vidd_laptop	can you talk to me and work on that box?	07:46
Odd_Bloke	oops: Away messages are frowned upon.	07:46
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oops	Odd_Bloke: come again? o.o	07:48
oops	im not following you	07:48
oops	you mean these:	07:48
oops	oops-away is Back from (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (Gone: 32mins 5secs) ?	07:48
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Grey_Loki	oops, yeah, those	07:50
oops	'k, I'll take them out	07:50
Grey_Loki	:)	07:50
oops	lets see if it worked	07:51
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oops	yup, it was silent now :D	07:51
oops	sorry for that	07:51
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oops	vidd_laptop: you were saying?	07:52
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vidd_laptop	i can walk you thru the steps.....	07:54
vidd_laptop	can you talk here and work on the other box at the same time?	07:54
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oops	nop sorry :s	07:55
oops	i am in THE box	07:55
oops	but big thanks though!	07:55
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vidd_laptop	oops, and you dont have an ethernet cable and access point you can use?	07:56
vidd_laptop	hi Sultanovich	07:57
oops	I have an ethernet cable, just not big enough to reach the router	07:57
vidd_laptop	and you cant move the machine closer?	07:57
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vidd_laptop	its a lousey wireless b....but it WORKS	07:58
vidd_laptop	like a portable jack	07:58
oops	I guess I could try moving my brother's machine closer (were the router is)	07:58
vidd_laptop	it makes it SOOOOOO much easier	07:59
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vidd_laptop	brb	07:59
Sultanovich	somebody speak spanish?	08:00
vidd_laptop	try #ubuntu-es	08:00
Sultanovich	thanks vidd_laptop	08:01
vidd_laptop	no problema	08:01
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vidd_laptop	acually....de nada	08:02
vidd_laptop	=]	08:02
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oops	vidd_laptop: nebermind the whole operation	08:06
oops	I just remembered that I only have the wireless card set up -.-	08:06
oops	the ethernet one is somewhere in the attic	08:06
BFTD	how do I find freenode staff?	08:06
oops	I found a huge ethernet cable though, but it's broken	08:07
BFTD	oops, how is it broken?	08:07
oops	the insides of it, sorry english isn't my native language	08:08
oops	the little copper wires inside of it x)	08:09
oops	from all the extreme bending and such	08:09
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BFTD	oops, is it jsut the end? or the whole cable?	08:10
oops	somewhere in the middle of it, my father and I swiched the ends	08:10
R[a] ndom	cat5 is cheap tho	08:12
R[a] ndom	no big loss	08:12
BFTD	cut it off, and have 2 cables	08:12
oops	I would, but I have cables the size of the big one divided	08:12
ice_world	lala	08:16
ice_world	how do i install something that isnt .deb in exbuntu? i have only untarred it	08:21
vidd_laptop	cd to its directory	08:25
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vidd_laptop	make sure the configure is executable	08:26
vidd_laptop	run ./configure	08:26
vidd_laptop	make install (you may need sudo rights)	08:26
vidd_laptop	whoops....missed a step	08:27
vidd_laptop	its make .... THEN make install	08:27
oops	http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/	08:27
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oops	and take a look at this	08:28
oops	helped me alot	08:28
superkirbyartist	I am having a hard time using iMac G3 Microphone (internal or external). Can someone help please?	08:28
vidd_laptop	oops, yes...very helpful	08:30
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oops	:D	08:32
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ice_world	so	09:32
ice_world	xubuntu is win?	09:32
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colorred	ice_world: some say	09:37
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ice_world	hmm	09:40
ice_world	anyone got an idea why "always on top" in vlc dosent work?	09:40
vidd_laptop	whatwhatwhat??????	09:40
vidd_laptop	xubuntu is win????	09:41
vidd_laptop	what's that mean?	09:41
ice_world	like if you use xubuntu you win	09:41
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chris13	I can't seem to get azureus to work	09:50
chris13	I installed it but when I click to start it nothing happens	09:51
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chris13	can anyone help me?	09:52
BFTD	sure	09:52
BFTD	whats wrong?	09:52
chris13	azureus seems to be broken	09:52
BFTD	ew	09:52
chris13	I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it a few times	09:52
BFTD	use something else	09:52
BFTD	like a CD store	09:52
BFTD	or get limewire	09:53
chris13	no it isn't for piracy	09:53
BFTD	!azureus	09:53
ubotu	azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo	09:53
BFTD	so whats the exact error	09:53
chris13	I actually need to download legitimate torrents	09:53
BFTD	!bittorret	09:53
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about bittorret - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	09:53
BFTD	!rtorrent	09:53
chris13	well I don't get an error message but when I click the button to start the program nothing happens	09:53
ubotu	rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB	09:53
BFTD	hrm	09:54
ice_world	btw	09:54
ice_world	isnt utorrent "better" ?	09:54
BFTD	!utorrent	09:54
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about utorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi	09:54
ice_world	or maybe its just for win :(	09:54
ice_world	...dows	09:54
BFTD	I thought azureus was for windows	09:54
chris13	I tried the package manager and apptitude	09:54
chris13	azureus is multiplatform	09:55
ice_world	java= its for everything?	09:55
chris13	and it has a lot of features	09:55
grazie	chris13: utorent is windows only but runs well under wine...the author recommends running that way	09:55
ice_world	god this workspace thing is just the best ever	09:56
chris13	I'd rather get azureus working	09:56
grazie	chris13: deluge is new torrent client worth considering	09:56
chris13	I don't play on installing wine	09:56
chris13	it says something about restricted xorg modules when I try to install it	09:57
chris13	I'll consider it	09:58
ice_world	if i had knewn you needed wine to run utorrent i would had ket my mouth shut	09:58
ice_world	kept*	09:58
chris13	deluge looks pretty good	09:59
chris13	worth a shot at least	10:00
chris13	thanks	10:00
chris13	I'll let you know how it goes	10:00
chris13	what is the best way to install deluge?	10:01
chris13	ok found it	10:02
chris13	just had to refresh the package manager	10:02
chris13	ok it is working	10:05
ice_world	uhm	10:09
ice_world	programs that would have an .exe extension in windows have no extension at all in ubuntu?	10:10
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PuMpErNiCkLe	Correct.	10:27
ice_world	ok, th	10:29
ice_world	x	10:29
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SkippyX	does anyone know why xubuntu, debian & puppy linux would all hang on install when trying to detect a cdrom in an old dell lappy?	11:04
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oops	if anyone could find it in their hearts to write me or redirect me to a Ralink Card installation guide for a complete newbie	11:30
oops	it would be great	11:30
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cycro	hello	11:42
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