[12:24] <hyper_ch> Edgy doesn't use 4.4.0 if I remember correctly
[12:24] <crdlb> !xfce edgy
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <Eagle_101> mmm ok
[12:25] <DawnLight> funny, even though firefox finished downloading the iso, wget found 16MB more and is now completing it
[12:25] <hyper_ch> feisty uses 4.4.0
[12:25] <hyper_ch> and feisty uses a newer version than edgy
[12:25] <crdlb> !xfce4-panel edgy
[12:25] <ubotu> xfce4-panel: The Xfce4 desktop environment panel. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.99.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 287 kB, installed size 1592 kB
[12:25] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: why don't you use the repos?
[12:26] <DawnLight> what and how
[12:26] <DawnLight> the add/remove?
[12:26] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:26] <hyper_ch> well, actually it should already be installed on xubuntu
[12:26] <Eagle_101> yeah it should already be there...
[12:27] <DawnLight> miscommunication here
[12:27] <DawnLight> i am downloading ubuntu edgy alt iso
[12:28] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: ah :)
[12:28] <DawnLight> firefox "completed" the download, and it failed the md5sum
[12:28] <Eagle_101> hah
[12:28] <crdlb> wget ftw
[12:28] <Eagle_101> DawnLight: delete that then, and just use apt-get :P
[12:28] <DawnLight> i contiuned the same file using wget to see what happens and it found 16MB more
[12:29] <DawnLight> what is apt-get?
[12:29] <Eagle_101> DawnLight: did you use two different methods to get the same file
[12:29] <Eagle_101> DawnLight: you are in xubuntu correct?
[12:29] <Eagle_101> !apt-get
[12:29] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:29] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: apt-get is the command line install/package program
[12:29] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: aptitude is an alternative
[12:30] <Eagle_101> !aptitude
[12:30] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:30] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: if you know what the library is called that you want to get installed then the command line is quicker than using the Add/Remove thing
[12:30] <DawnLight> and what if i just want to download the file?
[12:30] <hyper_ch> then use wget
[12:31] <DawnLight> and from a specific server near me?
[12:31] <hyper_ch> or the download manager in firefox
[12:31] <DawnLight> which failed me
[12:31] <Eagle_101> yeah... you should already have firefox on xubuntu
[12:31] <Eagle_101> if its not working, I daresay that would be a bug..
[12:31] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: he's not looking for ff.... he wants to download *ubuntu alternate
[12:31] <DawnLight> it actually forgot to download the last 16 MB
[12:31] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: and doing so with firefox gave him problmes
[12:31] <Eagle_101> oh I see!
[12:31] <Eagle_101> righto
[12:32] <Eagle_101> DawnLight: try using just wget
[12:32] <Eagle_101> re-download the file ;)
[12:33] <DawnLight> it passed the checksum
[12:33] <crdlb> yay for wget
[12:33] <DawnLight> very funny
[12:33] <hyper_ch> hmmm, civ 3 won't load with wine :(
[12:34] <DawnLight> oohhh...
[12:34] <DawnLight> i used to play Master of Orion 2
[12:34] <hyper_ch> oh well, for some reason I do have vmware :)
[12:34] <hyper_ch> Master of Orion is a great game :) loved it
[12:36] <DawnLight> now time for my first Xfburn session
[12:37] <crdlb> DawnLight, maybe you ought to use cdrecord considering your luck with gui frontends today :)
[12:37] <hyper_ch> don't wanna test herd5?
[12:37] <DawnLight> herd5?
[12:38] <hyper_ch> xubuntu feisty herd5
[12:38] <crdlb> lol it looks like ubuntu has made its own language
[12:39] <hyper_ch> crdlb: how do you mean?
[12:39] <Eagle_101> cdrecord rocks :D
[12:40] <crdlb> none of those words make any sense by themselves, but together they form a cohesive idea
[12:40] <hyper_ch> crdlb: that's applicable for everyword
[12:40] <hyper_ch> crdlb: you have to know the idea behind the word for them to make sense
[12:40] <crdlb> I just thought it sounded funny, that's all
[12:41] <DawnLight> plug makes sense by the sound of it
[12:41] <DawnLight> also smear
[12:41] <hyper_ch> there's a nice little short story by a Swiss German author - Peter Bichsel - in this story there's an old man...
[12:41] <hyper_ch> he wonders why a chair is called a chair and not a table
[12:41] <hyper_ch> and he starts switching all those words
[12:42] <hyper_ch> and then when he hears other talk it makes no sense to him anymore
[12:42] <DawnLight> he changed the protocol
[12:42] <DawnLight> now he needs an emulator
[12:42] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[12:42] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: Geek!
[12:43] <DawnLight> you were here before
[12:43] <DawnLight> lol
[12:43] <DawnLight> error - unrecognized command
[12:44] <Eagle_101> DawnLight: for what
[12:44] <Eagle_101> cdrecord?
[12:44] <Eagle_101> apt-get install cdrecord
[12:44] <DawnLight> geek
[12:44] <Eagle_101> then try
[12:44] <crdlb> well doesn't xfburn use cdrecord?
[12:45] <hyper_ch> so far I used only k3b
[12:46] <hyper_ch> looks like civ 3 runs fine in vmware :)
[12:46] <Eagle_101> crdlb: dunno about that, I just know cdrecord is really simple for doing iso files
[12:46] <hyper_ch> hiho taram
[12:46] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: for creating iso files or burning them on cd?
[12:47] <Eagle_101> command is something like cdrecord dev="/dev/path" <item pass>
[12:47] <Taram> hi hyper_ch
[12:47] <Eagle_101> for burning iso files
[12:47] <crdlb> Eagle_101, afaik all current cd burning programs just run cdrecord in the background
[12:47] <hyper_ch> Taram: got disconnected?
[12:47] <Taram> jupp
[12:47] <Eagle_101> crdlb: really?
[12:47] <Eagle_101> lol
[12:47] <hyper_ch> crdlb: even k3b?
[12:47] <Taram> i miss clicked :)
[12:47] <Taram> so i was out
[12:47] <crdlb> hyper_ch, it used to at least
[12:47] <hyper_ch> Taram: hehehe
[12:47] <DawnLight> okay so what are these options there fburnfree and dummywrite
[12:47] <hyper_ch> crdlb: well, then I also have used cdrecord :)
[12:48] <hyper_ch> dummywrite is just a simluation
[12:48] <hyper_ch> and burnfree needs to be supported by your burner I think
[12:48] <Taram> hyper_ch: how is workin you ajax project?
[12:48] <DawnLight> give it a go
[12:48] <Taram> did you fix it
[12:49] <crdlb> hyper_ch, k3b still used cdrecord (or cdrdao)
[12:49] <crdlb> uses*
[12:49] <hyper_ch> Taram: yes, works for the ball... but now I have to make it general... I need to add some special fields like email address checks, or fields where you have a limitation (like rooms available) ....
[12:50] <hyper_ch> Taram: and then I need to write it in clean code :)
[12:50] <Taram> that sounds fine...	yada-yada-yada
[12:50] <hyper_ch> but at the moment I'm occupied with exam correction of the assessment level here at university
[12:50] <Taram> :)
[12:50] <DawnLight> cdrecord: Bad Option: speed=.
[12:51] <DawnLight> i set the speed to 16
[12:51] <hyper_ch> I normally burn as low as I can...
[12:52] <DawnLight> okay this is the last cd
[12:53] <DawnLight> oh my god it just doesn't burn
[12:53] <Taram> next week i'll start my 6 week assessment of my secound state examination that'll be hard
[12:54] <DawnLight> how do i use cdrecord manually
[12:54] <hyper_ch> DawnLight: don't you have cd-rw?
[12:54] <hyper_ch> Taram: good luck on that :)
[12:54] <crdlb> DawnLight, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom ubuntu.iso
[12:54] <Taram> even to you...
[12:54] <crdlb> I think
[12:54] <cycro> hello
[12:54] <cycro> can anybody help me fix an error?
[12:55] <crimsun> the error being...?
[12:55] <Eagle_101> !ask
[12:55] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:55] <cycro> lol
[12:55] <DawnLight> never used one of them
[12:55] <cycro> when i boot my computer up
[12:55] <cycro> i get a "failed to initialize HAL"
[12:55] <cycro> error
[12:55] <Eagle_101> ok, hal is a program to allow easy mounting
[12:55] <Eagle_101> !hal
[12:56] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[12:56] <crdlb> well HAL is pretty important
[12:56] <Eagle_101> easy mounting of drives
[12:56] <crdlb> but you can live without I guess
[12:56] <cycro> but why am i getting the error
[12:56] <cycro> its random
[12:56] <Eagle_101> cycro: what is the error?
[12:56] <cycro> its been workin fine the past few days
[12:56] <cycro> Eagle_101, "Failed to initialize HAL"
[12:56] <Eagle_101> that all?
[12:56] <Eagle_101> no stack trace?
[12:56] <crdlb> anybody know if hal keeps a log?
[12:56] <cycro> wats that
[12:57] <Eagle_101> is there any other data after the Failed to initialize HAL part?
[12:57] <cycro> i forgot
[12:57] <hyper_ch> crdlb: maybe syslog?
[12:57] <Eagle_101> crdlb: heck if I know... likely a logger deamon of somesort would have caught it
[12:57] <crdlb> well there doesn't seem to be a hald.log
[12:58] <Eagle_101> mmm
[12:58] <cycro> let me log out and in to see the exact error
[12:58] <Eagle_101> well if it errored there would likely be some sort of error reported and caught by the deamon
[01:32] <cycro> woohoo
[01:32] <cycro> fixed my problem
[01:33] <cycro> but now i have a new one
[01:33] <cycro> does anybody use amarok?
[01:33] <jlamr> no but there's a channel here
[01:36] <cycro> thx
[01:38] <hyper_ch> cycro: yes I do use it
[01:38] <cycro> hyper_ch, do u ever get an error about mail?
[01:38] <cycro> and then it crashes
[01:39] <hyper_ch> no
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> wow....noone needs help????
[01:51] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: I do
[01:51] <hyper_ch> do you have Konversation installed?
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> with what?
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> no
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> that is a KDE app
[01:52] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: yes, it is... but you might have it anyway
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> no...but do you have a question about it?
[01:53] <hyper_ch> yes, whether I have a reproducable bug
[01:54] <Eagle_101> mmm bugs
[01:55] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: I know, they have plenty of proteins :)
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> what is (or NOT) hapening?
[01:56] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: well, in Feisty I noticed that the Konversation taskbar icon starts flashing upon receipt of any message in any channel...
[01:57] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: and it seems it's not behaving like this in Kubuntu Feisty as I am talking with a kubuntu dev right now
[01:57] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: so I want to see if someone else on xubuntu feisty can reproduce this
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hyper_ch: *grin* - you're doing what i was about to
[01:58] <hyper_ch> Hobbsee: I'm "always" in here :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> so your running xubuntu with KDE parts?
[01:59] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: yes, runing a few kde appz...
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> not sure i want to flood my system with worthless KDE [explicative deleted]  to see if I get the same issue
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> =\
[02:01] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: there are many great kde appz out there :)
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> if they were great, they whouldnt be KDE apps =\
[02:01] <Jester45> hyper_ch yes but some are not worth it
[02:02] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: some stuff on kde is great, some stuff on GNOME is great, some stuff on xfce is great, its just a matter of preference
[02:02] <Eagle_101> like I personally like kate over mousepad
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> thats like saying there are many great windows programs....if they were great they would ANYTHING programs
[02:02] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: and since I don't use xfce because of low techs I use the programs I like most :)
[02:02] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch: heh :D
[02:03] <Eagle_101> I'm sorta that way as well :P I've not had problems using kate, or kdevelop, though vim is great as well.
[02:03] <Jester45> hyper_ch using xfce is only only becuase of low computer specs i prefer xfce over gnome and kde
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> thre is just too much baggage with KDE apps
[02:03] <Eagle_101> yeah they have to have the qt3 or qt4 library
[02:04] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I don't... I had gnome and kde running for some time but I just didn't like it
[02:04] <Eagle_101> while xfce is using gtk
[02:04] <Jester45> ok its your preferance i like xfce better your dont
[02:04] <Eagle_101> so really I would think that GNOME apps would be easier on xfce then KDE :P
[02:05] <Eagle_101> but there is some great xfce stuff (like thunar)
[02:05] <crdlb> and as time goes on, more of the gnome libs are being put into gtk
[02:05] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I like Xfce better than gnome or kde as Desktop Environments but for the appz I see it differently :)
[02:05] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: thunar just lacks the splitting that konqueror can do
[02:05] <Eagle_101> that is the best part of linux, I get to pick and choose the best of both worlds
[02:05] <crdlb> whenever I run xfce, I use a bunch of gnome apps
[02:06] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch: splitting?
[02:06] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: hmmm, you know gnome commander? or midnight commander?
[02:06] <Eagle_101> the devs need to get to work on that then ;)
[02:06] <hyper_ch> where you have a 2-pane manager?
[02:06] <Eagle_101> ah ok
[02:06] <Eagle_101> that makes sense.
[02:06] <hyper_ch> in konqueror you have a multipane manager... you can veritcally and horizontally split
[02:06] <Eagle_101> go prod some thunar devs :P
[02:06] <hyper_ch> for file management I just love that
[02:07] <hyper_ch> I used norton commander on dos
[02:07] <hyper_ch> then windows/total command on windows
[02:07] <hyper_ch> midnight commander on my debian server
[02:07] <hyper_ch> :)
[02:08] <Jester45> i just use more than one thunar window
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> so these "commander" programs are like windows explorer?
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> or are they like having to managers in one app?
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> s/to/two
[02:10] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: putting a screenshot online
[02:10] <Jester45> whats thunderbird's language?
[02:12] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: http://www.roleplayer.org/konqueror.png  --> right pane: fish/ssh protocoll for file transfer onto server | left panes just two local one splitted horizontally
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, i can see a use for an app like that...but 2 thunars work just as well....and is easier for me to undersand what im doing
[02:15] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: well, instead of two thunars you can have them in one piece
[02:15] <hyper_ch> and just drag'n'drop left and right without being required to switch windows
[02:16] <hyper_ch> as said, if thunar would have that splitting option it would be great :) I just like a 2-pane manager
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> yeah...but knowing me like i do...im likely to move a file to the wrong place...where it will do the most harm!
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> thunar sorta has two panes
[02:17] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: you mean the filesystem tree?
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[02:17] <irokese> Is there a way to make a certain window transparent (using xfwm4's compositor) via a command?
[02:18] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: never liked it in windows with the windows explorer.... :) I just grew up with 2-pane managers :)
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> just wish they would EXPAND the file tree (so it acually WORKS like a file tree)
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> maybe im too small minded...maybe im still too windowsish....but i really dont see any NEED to have the contents of more then one file displayed
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> or rather more then one DIRECTORY
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> except for the making of cd's and dvd's.....
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> but you dont use file managers for that kind of task
[02:23] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: if you just want move your stuff around it's quite handy
[02:24] <vidd_laptop> lol....do you RALLY need to move stuff around often enough to make a "move your stuff around easily" app?
[02:24] <Jester45> vidd_laptop i understand it  if you move lots of stuff its much faster but... i would rather open 2 windows
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, as would i
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> when i put something somewere...it STAYS there forever [till i format and reinstall] 
[02:27] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: when I put something somewhere it doesn't stay long there... normally I just put everything on the desktop and clean it up on a regular base
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> as do i.....
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> usually from the desktop to the black hole to the left of the screen
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> but if i am taking stuff off the destop, i usually fire up terminal, sudo thunar, and drag and drop the files right from the desktop to its final destination
[02:29] <hyper_ch> good night everyone
[02:29] <Eagle_101> well it would be nice to have multiple panes in thunar :D but that is just more feature bloat that I'm not sure xfce wants or needs.
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> gnight hy
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> gnight hyper_ch
[02:29] <Eagle_101> night hyper_ch
[02:31] <vidd_laptop> Eagle_101, just the expandable let filesystem tree would sufice for 99%, with (i would assume) minimal bloat
[02:31] <Jester45> i like to null everything on my desktop
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> null? like toast?
[02:32] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptommm
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Odd_Bloke
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> didnt see ya there
[02:38] <cclampblue1> is TheSheep in here?
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cclampblue1
[02:39] <cclampblue1> you two one in the same huh? just wanted to say thanks for the advice. bad ram was the problem
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> cclampblue1, i am NOT TheSheep
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> just my way of saying hi
[02:41] <Jester45> vidd_laptop stop messing with him you ARE TheSheep
[02:43] <kalikiana_> 2007-03-03 07:50 <vidd_laptop> I am also called TheSheep
[02:43] <kalikiana_> that proves it ;)
[02:43] <Jester45> :)
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> huh?
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> i dont think i was even ONLINE on the third!
[02:46] <Jester45> well the logs say you were
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> that was the day of my daughter's birthday party......i KNOW i was not online
[02:46] <Jester45> now is this vidd's daughter or TheSheep's daughter
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> so someone was inpersonating me?
[02:46] <crimsun> /nick thesheep
[02:46] <crimsun> d'oh!
[02:47] <crimsun> /nick vidd_laptop
[02:47] <crimsun> d'oh! x2
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana_, can you check those logs to find the IP of the impersonator?
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> and what time zone was that 0750?
[02:48] <kalikiana_> *g
[02:48] <kalikiana_> UTC+1, but I don't take that seriously anyway :P
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> someone is impersonating me impersonating someone!
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> =\
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> and someone i RESPECT!
[02:51] <Jester45> static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, that is my CURRENT ip....i want to know what IP the imposter used @ 01:50 EST on 3/3/2007
[02:54] <Jester45> i must of been you
[02:54] <Jester45> it*
[02:54] <R[a] ndom> you must be the imposter
[02:54] <vidd_laptop> it COULDNT have been me....
[02:54] <R[a] ndom> well you saw the ip
[02:54] <R[a] ndom> so it was someone from your house
[02:54] <Jester45> it wasnt be becuase i dont have verizon
[02:55] <R[a] ndom> or someone tunneling through
[02:55] <Jester45> vidd_laptop looks like youve got a slip personility
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana_, you have that log file?
[02:57] <kalikiana_> 01-01-01 <kalikiana_> UTC+1, but I don't take that seriously anyway :P
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, it dont make any sense.....you can see im not really TheSheep because his IP is in Poland, and mine is in NE PA, USA
[02:58] <Jester45> long ethernet cable
[02:59] <Jester45> or... proxy
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> or one heck of a wireless connection
[03:00] <vidd_laptop> ah...so ya just pulling my leg??????
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> @lart kalikiana_
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> hmmm....that dont work here
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana_, that was SOOOO wrong! [like DIET LARD wrong!] 
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> and Jester45 yer SUCH the comodian
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> !seen cellowfellow
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> !seen cellofellow
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> !seen Jester45
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jester45 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> ?
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> man...noone needs helpat all tonight
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> has it been like this all day?
[03:10] <ormiret> There was more activity earlier
[03:12] <Eagle_101> lol
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> *sigh* .... installing mplayer
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> anyone familiar with player?
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> *wave* MattJ
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> anyone familiar with mplayer?
[03:19] <MattJ> Hey :)
[03:19] <pleia2> vidd_laptop: yep, how are you installing it
[03:19] <pleia2> ?
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> synaptic
[03:19] <pleia2> ah
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> it installed...just wont play
[03:20] <pleia2> typing: mplayer file ?
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> launched from menu.....
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> i umounted the drive...that might solve my issue
[03:21] <pleia2> well launching from the menu would only work if the version you installed included the GUI (gmplayer)
[03:22] <vidd_laptop> hmmmm
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> gmplayer is not in my synaptic
[03:23] <ormiret> do you get a GUI when you launch mplayer from the menu?
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> yes
[03:23] <pleia2> you can try just launching the command from a terminal, it might very well be in the package
[03:23] <pleia2> ah
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> i have libdvdcss2 installed.....
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> why wont it play?????
[03:24] <ormiret> what isn't working, and are you getting error messages?
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> i press the play button, nothing happens
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> let me try a different disk....
[03:27] <ormiret> have you told it what to play?
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> ummmm......
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> no\
[03:31] <ormiret> I can't find how to tell the GUI version to play a DVD, I use 'mplayer dvd://' in a terminal
[03:31] <vidd_laptop> ok...i dont feel so stupid
[03:32] <crdlb> ormiret, gmplayer dvd:// ?
[03:32] <ormiret> crdlb: yeah, I expect that would work, I was looking for an option in the gui to play a DVD though
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> ormiret, yer a life saver
[03:34] <crdlb> ormiret, in mine, I can right click on the interface and choose dvd->open disc
[03:35] <ormiret> crdlb: cheers, that works. I clicked on all the buttons but didn't think to right click...
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> "error opening/initializingthe selected video_out (-vo) device."
[03:38] <ormiret> is that from the GUI?
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[03:39] <ormiret> did it start playing anyway?
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> and when i did what you told me it only played one selection
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> no
[03:39] <ormiret> You can change the output from the settings dialogue (click on the spanner to get it)
[03:40] <crdlb> spanner lol
[03:40] <ormiret> wrench if you're american
[03:40] <crdlb> I was like what's a spanner?...Oh british
[03:42] <ormiret> :)
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> i dont understand what im doing in here=\
[03:43] <ormiret> vidd_laptop: to get other bits of the DVD put a number after dvd:// (lots of disks have logo type things on 1)
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> the CLI works....but the gui dont
[03:48] <ormiret> are they both using the same video output - the CLI version tells you somewhere in the text and the GUI in the settings dialogue under the video tab
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> Run 'xvinfo' to verify its Xv support and read DOCS/HTML/en/video.html#xv!
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> See 'mplayer -vo help' for other (non-xv) video out drivers. Try -vo x11
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> that is what the terminal says
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> but it plays
[03:51] <ormiret> there should be a 'VO: [foo] ' line near the bottom, what is the foo?
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> !paste
[03:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9766/
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> here is ALL the output
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:55] <ormiret> line 54 says that is using x11, does the GUI work if you select that there?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> let me find out =] 
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> its listed in the available drivers....dont know how to CHOOSE one!
[03:57] <ormiret> just click on it so the highlight moves to it and then click OK
[03:58] <crdlb> you may need to restart mplayer
[03:58] <ormiret> I think you just need to do a stop/play but restarting the whole app would make sure.
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> yer the best
[04:00] <ormiret> vidd_laptop: you might want to check the 'enable frame dropping' check box as well since mplayer was complaining about not having enough CPU cycles
[04:00] <crdlb> vidd_laptop, if you have a sdl choice, it may be faster
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> seems good now....
[04:17] <tasia> How much RAM does Xfce need to run?
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> tasia, depends on what ya run it with....
[04:18] <tasia> Err, as in?
[04:18] <vidd_laptop> in xubuntu you can get away with [i think]  as low as 64 meg
[04:18] <tasia> And what about gNewSense with 64Mb?
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> you run it on fedora, you nead 96 i think
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> tasia, you should be fine
[04:19] <tasia> *And what about gNewSense with 32Mb?
[04:19] <tasia> Typo^^^
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> 32 is a little tight....
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> id use fluxbox instead
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> butim now WM expert
[04:21] <tasia> Ditto. Wish I was though.
[04:22] <tasia> Switch to a half decent keyboard layout
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> this laptop only has room for one keyboard
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> i think i just need to get the arthritis out of my fingers
[04:24] <tasia> No I mean switch away from QWERTY
[04:24] <tasia> To Dvorak or something
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> then id have to repaint all the keys.....
[04:24] <tasia> But not Dvorak, because that sucks to
[04:25] <tasia> Nahh just remember which key is where
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> and then get a NEW hunting licence for the NEW layout
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:26] <tasia> Anyway, I'm off.
[04:26] <tasia> ByE
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> enjoy
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> ahhh...monday or tuesday i get a dvd burner!
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> of course i wont have any disks to BURN on .... but ill have the burner!
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> was it worth the investment?
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> how many frizbees ya make?
[04:29] <ormiret> wasn't much mroe expensive than a reader and I needed one of them
[04:29] <ormiret> only tried to make the one disk.
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> ah...and succeeded first try
[04:30] <ormiret> yep
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> when breezy came out, i made a whole spool of frizbees!
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> 50 disks
[04:31] <ormiret> ouch, what was wrong?
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> couldnt understand why it wouldnt burn a disk right
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> 50 ?  eep
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> i found out [much later]  that you had to do something special to make the writer work
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> still no idea WHAT
[04:33] <Eagle_101> mmm just use cdrecord ;)
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> not on breezey....
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> dapper...yes
[04:33] <Eagle_101> heh... they need to fix that then ;)
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> it got fixed in dapper
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> and THAT is when i fired M$
[04:35] <Eagle_101> heh
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> if i could have gotten the package manager for SUSE or FEDORA to work like ubuntu, AND burn disks back then., i would have fired M$ then and been one of thier users
[04:36] <vidd_laptop> i only really got into linux in Dec of '05
[04:37] <Eagle_101> heh
[04:37] <Eagle_101> Microsoft still can't do it can they?
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> do what?
[04:38] <Eagle_101> do whatever it is that made you fire them :P
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> they VERY GOOD at what they do......
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> produce poor quality software, charge WAY too much and arrest ppl for not registering thier stuff
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> they make AWESOME malware magnets
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> the best in the world
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> so Eagle_101 ... what brought YOU to linux?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> A magical vision
[04:45] <Koji-Murasame> The stork?
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> it was the free food...wasn't it?
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> jee....i hope i didnt OFFEND him with my praise of M$
[04:54] <Eagle_101> lol
[04:54] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: simple, I got sick of XP crashing randomly
[04:55] <Eagle_101> sorry I was configuring an emerge on gentoo
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> you like my depiction of M$?
[04:55] <Eagle_101> yeah lovely I want to work for them now!
[04:56] <Eagle_101> well... after they fix XP :P
[04:56] <Eagle_101> and fix Vista
[04:56] <vidd_laptop> ya want to test its attractiveness to malware, or be a bug-addition specialist?
[04:56] <Eagle_101> bug-addition specialist :D
[04:57] <Eagle_101> lets see... let me add an infinte loop... int i; while(true){i++;}
[04:58] <Eagle_101> heh
[04:58] <Eagle_101> I probably was a feature, as it is the only way to make Microsoft close something. :P
[04:58] <Eagle_101> *it
[05:00] <vidd_laptop> he was SO proud of it, that he made it so that the only way to make anything work was to reboot
[05:00] <Eagle_101> yepper :D
[05:01] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: so what versions of linux have you tried before?
[05:01] <Eagle_101> well rather I should say "distro"
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> my first was Red Hat
[05:01] <Eagle_101> mm and how was that?
[05:02] <vidd_laptop> that lasted like 5 days
[05:02] <Eagle_101> ^-^
[05:02] <vidd_laptop> two years later.....
[05:02] <vidd_laptop> i tried Debian (Gec 05)
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> then fedora (took longer to download and install then to sit on my machine)
[05:03] <Eagle_101> hah
[05:03] <Eagle_101> now xubuntu?
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> then back to deb
[05:03] <Eagle_101> hah
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> then Breezy came out and it was all the rage
[05:03] <Eagle_101> man you could not find something you like did you?
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> then i ran Kubuntu-Breezy
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> 12.3 minutes (maybe)
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> back to Ubuntu-breezy
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> then ubuntu-dapper
[05:06] <Eagle_101>  what was wrong with kubuntu?>
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> if *buntu is a dog and pony show...kubuntu was the dog!
[05:06] <Eagle_101> and why is that?
[05:07] <vidd_laptop> but it sure was pretty
[05:07] <vidd_laptop> just a sec....ill SHOW ya
[05:07] <vidd> os[Linux 2.6.20-9-generic i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x Pentium III (Katmai) @ 448MHz]  mem[Physical : 313MB, 71.1% free]  disk[Total : 34.04GB, 88.70% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] ]  sound[] 
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> that is why
[05:08] <Eagle_101> ah not enough memory?
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> but i have recently added 128 megs of ram
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:08] <Eagle_101> ah :D
[05:09] <Eagle_101> heh, so it was very slow :P
[05:09] <Eagle_101> and I guess ubuntu was slow?
[05:09] <vidd_laptop> yeah...but i could live with it
[05:09] <Eagle_101> now you are on xubuntu?
[05:09] <vidd_laptop> it was on par with my winxp
[05:09] <Eagle_101> heh
[05:10] <Eagle_101> wait... kubuntu is *slower* then windows?
[05:11] <Eagle_101> someone needs to make those KDE people *optimize* :P
[05:11] <vidd_laptop> well...i had a disasterous upgrade from dapper to edgy....and found xubuntu when i went to download an install cd
[05:11] <Eagle_101> ah
[05:11] <vidd_laptop> and i havent looked back
[05:12] <Eagle_101> heh, I'm now installing gentoo (with xfce)
[05:12] <Eagle_101> have you ever heard of gentoo?
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> yer a better [hu] man then me
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> yeah...i HEARD of it
[05:12] <Eagle_101> .... what?
[05:12] <Eagle_101> ah :S
[05:13] <Eagle_101> just don't want to try it eh?
[05:13] <Eagle_101> what have you heard?
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> it is difficult to install new packages
[05:13] <Eagle_101> not so :P
[05:14] <Eagle_101> emerge xfce4
[05:14] <Eagle_101> I get xfce :D
[05:14] <Eagle_101> I want firefox... emerge firefox
[05:14] <Eagle_101> :D
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> what are the sys requirements?
[05:14] <Eagle_101> what you want them to be
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> will my POS handle it?
[05:14] <Eagle_101> you can install any windowmanager or DE you want
[05:14] <Eagle_101> :P
[05:15] <Eagle_101> you can install as little or as much as you want on gentoo
[05:15] <Eagle_101> its totally configurable
[05:15] <Eagle_101> and everything is compiled on your machine ... so you get that preformence bonus :D
[05:15] <Eagle_101> but its complex as hell
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> ah...there's the rub
[05:16] <Eagle_101> as the start up requires you to know about almost every point of your system
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> OH!
[05:16] <Eagle_101> what kind of internet do you have? what is your keyboard layout (easy) ect.
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> i forgot......
[05:16] <Eagle_101> what is your video card?
[05:16] <Eagle_101> but most of it you can find out with 'lspci'
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> when i had that blow up with the upgrade...i installed SUSE
[05:17] <Eagle_101> heh, and how was SUSE?
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> then HURRIED to get xubuntu installed
[05:17] <Eagle_101> what was wrong with SUSE?
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> it LOOKED awesome
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> it ran smooth
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> i LOVED it.....
[05:18] <Eagle_101> :D
[05:18] <Eagle_101> and?
[05:18] <Eagle_101> the rub?
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> then i tried to DL the updates, and it somehow DELETED half the system files
[05:18] <Eagle_101> ow
[05:19] <Eagle_101> haha
[05:19] <Eagle_101> hope nothing important was on there ;)
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> CHECKING for updates should NEVER hose your syste,
[05:20] <Eagle_101> lol
[05:20] <Eagle_101> someone goofed
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> RUNNING the update...ok i can live with that...ive run everry windows OS except vista
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> but never CHECKING for updates
[05:21] <Eagle_101> heh :P
[05:21] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: did you know that vista takes 1GB of RAM to run smoothly :P
[05:22] <vidd_laptop> really...i thought it needed that to boot
[05:22] <Eagle_101> lol
[05:22] <Eagle_101> my friend has it boot on 256 MB but not run well
[05:23] <Eagle_101> 1GB of ram is just nuts :P
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> i LOVE how they were selling all these computers at christmas time claiming they were vista ready...and they only had 512M ram, 80G HD
[05:23] <Eagle_101> yepper :P
[05:23] <cycro> hello
[05:24] <Eagle_101> hey on 512 M they can at least switch to KDE :D
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> yeah...especially when most economy boards wont load more then 2 gig ram
[05:24] <Eagle_101> hey cycro
[05:24] <cycro> how do i make gaim show up in my system tray ?
[05:24] <cycro> it no longer shows
[05:24] <Eagle_101> right click it
[05:24] <Eagle_101> and click add
[05:24] <cycro> yes
[05:24] <Eagle_101> and add the icon (I think)
[05:24] <cycro> before
[05:24] <cycro> apss wud auto show
[05:25] <cycro> like if i ran beryl-manager
[05:25] <cycro> the beryl icon wud appear
[05:25] <cycro> and i cud right click on it
[05:25] <cycro> and the gaim icon would appear
[05:25] <Eagle_101> did you change anything?
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> dapper, edgy, or fiesty?
[05:25] <cycro> uh
[05:25] <cycro> edgy
[05:25] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: you wanted someone to help... here you are :D
[05:25] <cycro> i didnt change anytin
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> upgraded gaim?
[05:26] <cycro> it just stopped workin
[05:26] <cycro> no
[05:26] <cycro> well i did chagne
[05:26] <cycro> i installed kde
[05:26] <cycro> some kde stuff
[05:26] <cycro> to get an app to work
[05:26] <cycro> but it didnt work
[05:26] <cycro> so i uninstalled the kde stuff
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> Eagle_101, i rest my case!
[05:26] <cycro> and yeah
[05:26] <Eagle_101> lol
[05:27] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: I'm going to get gentoo going, then I'm going to compare how efficent gentoo is to xubuntu :D
[05:27] <cycro> so no ideas?
[05:27] <Eagle_101> how much RAM does xubuntu require with nothing running
[05:27] <Eagle_101> cycro: I'm not sure at al
[05:27] <Eagle_101> all
[05:27] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: ideas?
[05:27] <Eagle_101> !gaim
[05:27] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[05:27] <cycro> its not only gaim
[05:27] <Eagle_101> !taskbar
[05:27] <cycro> its anything
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> cycro, did you uninstall xubuntu-desktop?
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about taskbar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <cycro> no
[05:27] <cycro> i didnt
[05:27] <Eagle_101> make sure it is there
[05:27] <cycro> k
[05:28] <cycro> tis all there
[05:29] <jdrake> Is xubuntu ready for the new daylight savings time?
[05:29] <Eagle_101> should be, is that today?
[05:29] <jdrake> For me it is in about 2.5 hours
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> jdrake: if you've done your updates, yes
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, thanks for REMINDING me
[05:30] <jdrake> No problem :P
[05:30] <cycro> its daylight savings time?!
[05:30] <vidd> uptime[3d 13h 36m 12s] 
[05:31] <cycro> shit
[05:31] <jdrake> In the United States and Ontario (no idea elsewhere) it is
[05:31] <cycro> really
[05:31] <cycro> zomg
[05:31] <cycro> so wat time is
[05:31] <cycro> it
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> !language | cycro
[05:31] <ubotu> cycro: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:31] <cycro> lo
[05:31] <cycro> my bad
[05:31] <cycro> shitakae mushrooms
[05:31] <jdrake> They decided to do it early now, for some reason or another.
[05:32] <cycro> wats the point of daylight savings time?
[05:32] <jdrake> cycro: At least spell it right- it is shitake
[05:32] <cycro> sorry
[05:32] <cycro> so how do i get my system tray back
[05:33] <jdrake> Ahem, shiitake rather
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> cycro, look in your process manager.......
[05:34] <ormiret> cycro: have you logged out and back in since it disappeared, and do you still have a panel where it should be and is there an empty System Tray on it?
[05:34] <cycro> ill try logging in and out
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> ormiret, i was going to ask if the notification-deamon was in his process manager
[05:35] <jdrake> So how does the newest xfce stuff do compared with xubuntu stuff?
[05:36] <cycro> its back :)
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> wb cycro glad to hear it
[05:36] <cycro> ty
[05:36] <cycro> does anybody know an alternative to kiba-dock?
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> wb cipher
[05:36] <jdrake> cycro: Are you in Ontario?
[05:36] <cycro> yes i am
[05:36] <jdrake> What city?  I am down in Sarnia
[05:37] <cycro> sarnia?
[05:37] <cycro> whoa
[05:37] <cycro> hardcore
[05:37] <cycro> im in t.o.
[05:37] <jdrake> What is the attraction to kibadock?
[05:37] <cycro> the bouncy icons
[05:37] <jdrake> Dear Lord.
[05:37] <cycro> too laggy on my system tho
[05:38] <cycro> know of any good docks?
[05:38] <jdrake> Yeah, Dock.app
[05:38] <vidd_laptop> eye candy for the eye candy
[05:38] <jdrake> Not available to you though :p
[05:38] <jdrake> cycro: I prefer windowmaker for a dock
[05:38] <cycro> oo
[05:38] <cycro> !windowmaker
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmaker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <jdrake> A lot of those projects seem bent on getting flashy effects that have no actual benefit to getting work done.
[05:39] <jdrake> Thunar seems nice and fast, but missing a lot of stuff
[05:39] <cycro> i like eye candy
[05:39] <cycro> i like the mac osx dock
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> then get a mac!
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:40] <jdrake> I like the 3d desktop idea for practical reasons, but I won't touch them until ubuntu ships with it scaled back...
[05:40] <cycro> beryl ftw <3
[05:40] <jdrake> I had a mac laptop and emac with OSX 10.1.5 to 10.3, and it was fairly decent.
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, why not try 3ddesktop?
[05:41] <jdrake> My current machine is almost 2 years old, and probably will stick with it or another 3 or 5.
[05:41] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: that is all eye candy
[05:42] <cycro> has anybody used the englightment?
[05:42] <cycro> or entrance
[05:42] <jdrake> THere was a dell I was looking at, it could be had in a very very small case. I am going to try and get a very low power machine next, without sacrificing too much on performance.
[05:42] <jdrake> cycro: Many years ago, I don't ever expect e17 to be finished.
[05:42] <cycro> oo
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> the machine i want to build will have a intel 64bit processor.....4 gig ram
[05:43] <cycro> i tried installing kxdocker but it didnt show up in my system tray so i cudnt configure it :(
[05:43] <jdrake> Why 64bit and why 4gb of ram?
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> 2-120+ GB hard drives
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> i want it to be fast
[05:44] <jdrake> 64 bit will give you almost no benefit for regular applications, and 4gb of ram is way overkill.
[05:44] <Eagle_101> what is the fastest computer on the market?
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[05:45] <cellofellow> *wave* vidd
[05:45] <jdrake> Eagle_101: Check pccanada.com and find the most expensive cpu in their list, and that is likely it
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> wave* xubuser
[05:45] <xubuser> Hi people
[05:45] <Eagle_101> lol, I'm in lynx at the moment
[05:45] <xubuser> hi vidd_laptop
[05:45] <Eagle_101> so I have no clue
[05:45] <cellofellow> you can use links2 graphically without X.
[05:46] <Eagle_101> cellofellow: what? how can you get graphics...
[05:46] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: Your best bet, at this point, would be one of the core 2 duos, they are all 64bit I believe, but it is the dual core part you would really want.
[05:46] <cellofellow> Eagle_101: use links2 -g http://example.com
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> 64 bit processor cuzzz the 32bit will soon have an issue with time (dont recall EXACTLY what theissue is, but 64 bit fixes it)
[05:46] <Eagle_101> jdrake: no he should wait
[05:46] <Eagle_101> and get the quads
[05:46] <jdrake> Eagle_101: Those are going to be really expensive.
[05:47] <Eagle_101> jdrake: of course but vidd_laptop said he wanted wicked fast ;)
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, maybe a quad-core!
[05:47] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: What is your budget?
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> what ever it takes
[05:47] <Eagle_101> what is the most ram that is on the market?
[05:47] <Eagle_101> 16 GB?
[05:47] <cellofellow> 2GB I think. Multiple 2GB modules.
[05:48] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: It sounds like you are prepared to spend way too much money.
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, yep....the computer shop LOVES me
[05:48] <Eagle_101> use EBAY
[05:48] <jdrake> If you have that much money, you should be putting it away and save for retirement.
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> pft.....i will never stop working
[05:49] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: You might desire to slow down a little, or have a few vacations here and there.
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> Eagle_101, i will NEVER buy anything i cant TOUCH first
[05:49] <Eagle_101> vidd_laptop: heh
[05:50] <jdrake> Overspending on a computer is a good way to waste hard earned money.
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> so is taking a vacation
[05:50] <xubuser> can you give me some money vidd_laptop? I have a really tied budget
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> at least ill ENJOY building the pc!
[05:50] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: No, a vacation is a good investment, but can be overspent too.
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> ....
[05:51] <Eagle_101> errm?
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> HOW is a vacation an INVESTMENT????
[05:51] <jdrake> Escape from life is a wonderful thing.
[05:51] <Eagle_101> caps ftw :P
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> thats why al gore invented the internet!
[05:51] <jdrake> Spending money to go out on a fishing trip or something of that sort.
[05:52] <xubuser> Vacations are like idle time on Cpu
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> [to hear HIM talk] 
[05:53] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: So be it.
[05:53] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: Would you be the type of person to buy a $700 video card?
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> no
[05:54] <Eagle_101> jdrake: no he would buy a $1200
[05:54] <Eagle_101> :P
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> mobo...yes....vid-card no
[05:54] <jdrake> I personally wouldn't spend anymore than about $200cdn on any single part of the machine.
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> the video card should never be more then the monitor
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> but if it were a four head video card........
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:55] <Eagle_101> 4 head?
[05:55] <Eagle_101> what that mean?
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> can connect 4 monitors to it
[05:56] <Eagle_101> ah
[05:56] <jdrake> My view on something like a cpu is that if you can get something in the range of $200 to $300, you are going to generally get a part that is not too expensive, but expensive enough that it isn't *old tech* you will be replacing within 4 years.
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> maybe not the correct term
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, sounds about right
[05:57] <Eagle_101> what is the most "heads" that you can get :P
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> Eagle_101, no clue
[05:57] <Eagle_101> and what and why would you want more then one monitor anyway :P
[05:57] <Eagle_101> linux has that wonderful ability to switch screens :D
[05:58] <Eagle_101> at least Xfce has it ;)
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> so you can SEE multiple screens at once
[05:58] <Eagle_101> ....
[05:59] <Eagle_101> and you can really only look at one computer monitor at a time anyway :P (give your full attention to)
[05:59] <cellofellow> useful to read spec and see coding window at same time.
[05:59] <xubuser> how can you see Multiples screens at once???
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> hack code in on monitor....run the app full screen in the oter
[05:59] <cellofellow> with multiple monitors
[05:59] <Eagle_101> mmm I see :S
[06:00] <cycro> question
[06:00] <Eagle_101> !ask
[06:00] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:00] <Eagle_101> :D
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> answer
[06:00] <cycro> whays a sleeping process?
[06:00] <cycro> wats*
[06:00] <Eagle_101> a process that is not doing anything :P
[06:00] <Eagle_101> its not active
[06:00] <cycro> mm
[06:00] <jdrake> My family's last machine was a duron 600, it lasted the longest - probably 3 years or so. I personally got an ibook (G3-700), then traded it a year later for a emac (g4-700). Apple was probably my biggest mistake (I like the OS, but the hardware sucked). My current machine I hope to have a life of 8 years total.
[06:00] <cycro> alright cool
[06:00] <cycro> may i express my love for linux
[06:00] <cellofellow> my box is circa 1999
[06:01] <Eagle_101> cellofellow: nice, and your last upgrade to it?
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, what ya do with the g4?
[06:01] <cellofellow> 40GB hard drive, and a DVD burner.
[06:01] <Eagle_101> and when was that ;)
[06:01] <cellofellow> it has 319MB RAM, which is more than the original.
[06:01] <Eagle_101> figures ;)
[06:01] <cellofellow> last couple months.
[06:01] <Eagle_101> so you are not on the same specs
[06:01] <cellofellow> it's old, but not a drag.
[06:02] <cycro> as anybody tried avant-window-manager?
[06:02] <cycro> avant-window-navigator**
[06:02] <cellofellow> nope
[06:02] <cycro> its made by google
[06:02] <Eagle_101> is it open source?
[06:02] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: After I bought my current machine, I let my sister use it (I went off to school). The screen started screwing up. Right now it is sitting on a friends table (I just wanted to get rid of the thing)
[06:02] <cycro> um
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, get rid of it my way
[06:02] <cellofellow> night
[06:02] <cycro> http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> =P
[06:02] <Eagle_101> jdrake: and how could your sister screw it?
[06:03] <cycro> wat is cairo/.
[06:03] <cycro> ?
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> ill pay shipping
[06:03] <ormiret> cycro: graphics library/framework type thing.
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> i need a mac for work
[06:04] <jdrake> Eagle_101: I don't think it was her. It was probably just starting to die.
[06:04] <Eagle_101> ah :P
[06:04] <jdrake> Right now it works but for the red phosphors.
[06:04] <cycro> mm
[06:04] <cellofellow> byebye
[06:04] <_3uG_> does xfce4 have a HUGE memory leak for anyone else?
[06:05] <Eagle_101> mmm not for me
[06:05] <jdrake> _3uG_: What is the evidence?
[06:05] <Eagle_101> and what do you mean by memory leak?
[06:05] <_3uG_> this thing is nice and lightweight, but man does it eat memory if i leave it running all day
[06:05] <vidd_laptop> _3uG_, not that i NOTICED
[06:05] <_3uG_> specifically, the menu and desktop
[06:05] <_3uG_> okay evidence:
[06:05] <Eagle_101> mmm nothing that I noticed
[06:05] <Eagle_101> I've let it run for a week or more
[06:05] <Eagle_101> sits at about 80M RAM
[06:05] <_3uG_> running htop, i see that xfdesktop has 17% of memory usage
[06:06] <_3uG_> and the mem part of the panel system monitor will be nearly full
[06:06] <_3uG_> (oh and this is with 512mb ram)
[06:06] <Eagle_101> if you are looking at top
[06:06] <Eagle_101> or htop
[06:06] <Eagle_101> realize that linux always has something in ram
[06:06] <Eagle_101> use the system monitor given with xfce
[06:06] <_3uG_> and then i'll kill the memhog process and the monitor will go back down to less than 200
[06:06] <_3uG_> oh that's what i was using
[06:06] <Eagle_101> and tell us the value
[06:07] <jdrake> vmsize is 90mb, 3.5k for RSS for xfdesktop
[06:07] <_3uG_> i just use [h] top to see which process(es) are being hogs
[06:07] <Eagle_101> ah I see :P
[06:07] <Eagle_101> well if you think there is a leak, it is probably best to report a bug
[06:07] <_3uG_> but yeah, it will seriously free over 200 mb or memory when i kill the process
[06:07] <Eagle_101> but its going to have to be replicatable
[06:08] <_3uG_> it is for me, but i don't know about anyone else
[06:08] <Eagle_101> not me :P
[06:08] <xubuser> which version are you using?
[06:09] <moforila> Im trying to install xubuntu, the graphics goes out, even in safe mode. I think its my lcd, I have settings for xorg from freebsd and knoppix
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, what will you take for that g4?
[06:10] <moforila> Where can i set these?
[06:10] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: I am sorry, but it is a friend's now.
[06:10] <vidd_laptop> jdrake, oh whell
[06:10] <_3uG_> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
[06:10] <_3uG_> version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[06:10] <jdrake> Also, the shipping would have been a lot more than the machine itself
[06:10] <ormiret> moforila: if you get a command prompt you can edit xorg.conf and then start X again
[06:11] <vidd_laptop> really? where you live?
[06:11] <jdrake> vidd_laptop: Sarnia, ON
[06:11] <jdrake> The problem being the weight
[06:12] <_3uG_> the offending process is /usr/lib/xfdesktop4/panel-plugins/xfce4-menu-plugin
[06:12] <vidd_laptop> ON....canada?
[06:12] <jdrake> This thing is so heavy that I couldn't even go a few feet with it
[06:12] <jdrake> yes
[06:12] <xubuser> I have the same version, but no visible problems 3uG
[06:12] <_3uG_> odd.
[06:12] <_3uG_> i even have icons disabled!
[06:12] <vidd_laptop> wellll....i need to rack out
[06:12] <vidd_laptop> night all
[06:12] <_3uG_> and i have it setup so that rightclicking on the desktop doesn't give me the xfce menu
[06:13] <xubuser> Bye vidd_laptop
[06:13] <moforila> ormiret, So a command prompt is an option from the boot cd, Is there any link you can give me to read before going ahead?
[06:14] <Eagle_101> moforila: command prompt?
[06:14] <ormiret> I'm not sure if it's a boot option, but if X doesn't work you should still be able to use one of the ttys
[06:15] <Eagle_101> yeah you should :D
[06:15] <Eagle_101> *now
[06:18] <looping_> hello
[06:18] <moforila> command prompt = console shell ect, sorry for the windows talk
[06:18] <looping_> is there someone to help me on burning an ISO from command line?
[06:19] <xubuser> you have to get cdrecord and mkisofs
[06:19] <xubuser> to do that
[06:19] <_3uG_> i'll attempt to make a bug report, but i'll probably try to reinstall the plugin first
[06:19] <looping_> i got that. I don't understand why it doesn't see my burner
[06:20] <xubuser> try cdrecord -scanbus
[06:20] <looping_> 1,0,0
[06:20] <_3uG_> cdrecord -v dev=/dev/dvd filename.iso
[06:20] <_3uG_> that may do it
[06:20] <looping_> _3uG_: I'll try that
[06:22] <looping_> _3uG_: thanks, it seems to work. :)
[06:22] <_3uG_> looping_, it's working? great. =-)
[06:23] <looping_> I had tried dev=1,0,0 and dev=ATAPI:1,0,0 but neither of these worked
[06:23] <_3uG_> dev=ATA:1,0,0 may work..
[06:23] <_3uG_> but i just prefer to do what jorg schillig hates and do dev=/dev/dvd
[06:24] <_3uG_> b/c honestly, i've seen ONE scsi burner in my whole life...
[06:24] <_3uG_> anyway, it's time for me to head out
[06:24] <_3uG_> have fun everyone
[06:24] <looping_> btw, I used /dev/cdrom :p
[06:35] <cycro> hello
[06:36] <cycro> how do i remove a program i installed?
[06:37] <cycro> it doesnt appear in the synaptic packet manager list
[06:37] <xubuser> how do you installed?
[06:39] <cycro> um
[06:39] <cycro> some trunk thing
[06:39] <cycro> and then i ran a autosometin.sh
[06:39] <cycro> and then make install
[06:39] <xubuser> oh well, you compiled the program then
[06:39] <cycro> i think so
[06:40] <xubuser> try make uninstall on the dir where you make install
[06:41] <xubuser> if that doesn't work, you have to uninstall manually
[06:41] <cycro> can i just remove the folder?
[06:41] <xubuser> what folder?
[06:41] <cycro> i downloaded the files to a folder
[06:41] <cycro> and then i compiled it thre
[06:41] <ormiret> make install generally puts things elsewhere in the filesystem
[06:42] <xubuser> oh yes, deleting the folder with the sources will no make harm
[06:42] <icicled> make harm
[06:42] <icicled> make install
[06:42] <cycro> rats
[06:42] <cycro> so how can i cleanly remove it all
[06:42] <ormiret> using checkinstall makes removing easier
[06:43] <xubuser> first
[06:43] <ormiret> but thats no help this time
[06:43] <icicled> or read the last lines of make install & remove em
[06:44] <cycro> mm
[06:44] <cycro> in the last few lines of the make file
[06:44] <cycro> it says
[06:44] <cycro> uninstall-am: uninstall-info-am
[06:44] <cycro> uninstall-info: uninstall-info-recursive
[06:45] <xubuser> those are labels i think
[06:46] <cycro> dam
[06:46] <xubuser> there you are
[06:46] <xubuser> type make uninstall-am
[06:46] <xubuser> in source folder
[06:47] <cycro> o
[06:47] <cycro> k
[06:47] <cycro> uninstall -am?
[06:47] <cycro> wont work
[06:47] <cycro> oh wait
[06:47] <cycro> yeah
[06:47] <cycro> nothing to be done for uninstall-am
[06:48] <ormiret> have you tried 'make uninstall'?
[06:48] <xubuser> look for the labe install in the makefile
[06:49] <xubuser> there you may find all files copied in the install process
[06:50] <cycro> that worked
[06:50] <cycro> gg
[06:55] <cycro> ty
[07:07] <looping_> hello again
[07:08] <looping_> omg, xubuntu is so stylish...
[07:17] <cycro> xubuntu rocks
[07:17] <cycro> good night
[07:18] <yumz> hi, is anyone around?
[08:03] <looping_> Time to reboot and see what Xubuntu gives on my box
[08:23] <wildfire_> ..
[08:48] <d34l3r> hi
[08:49] <d34l3r> I got some problem
[08:49] <d34l3r> I need to get direct rendering to work
[08:49] <d34l3r> I installed nvidia Legacy driver for Nvidia Geforce 4 Ti 4200
[08:49] <d34l3r> and I got Xubuntu 6.10
[08:56] <ormiret> d34l3r: which of the steps on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia doesn't work?
[08:56] <d34l3r> I used easyubuntu to install legacy driver
[08:57] <d34l3r> but I need direct rendering get to work
[08:57] <d34l3r> so what 2 do?
[08:57] <bravelion> how do i change my clock?
[09:00] <d34l3r> ormiret...?
[09:00] <d34l3r> what to do?
[09:00] <ormiret> d34l3r: I think direct rendering should work if the driver is working properly and you have a Section "DRI" with the right mode in xorg.conf
[09:00] <d34l3r> ohm
[09:00] <d34l3r> wait
[09:00] <d34l3r> gonna look ;>
[09:02] <d34l3r> Section "DRI"
[09:02] <d34l3r>         Mode    0666
[09:02] <d34l3r> EndSection
[09:02] <xubuser> Hi
[09:02] <d34l3r> that's my Xorg.conf's DRI Section
[09:02] <ormiret> that looks right, you're not using xinerama are you?
[09:03] <d34l3r> nope
[09:03] <d34l3r> wait
[09:03] <d34l3r> gonna upload the xorg.conf
[09:30] <moforila> If i want to have windows and xubuntu on dual boot, what is better to have as the first parition
[09:31] <TheSheep> moforila: there is no choice, windows will not work as second
[09:32] <moforila> ok thanks
[09:37] <moforila> can xubutun be installed frist, with a partion ahead of it left for windows later?
[09:39] <TheSheep> moforila: yes, but windows will erase grub, so you will need to boot livecd and repeair it after installing windows
[09:39] <TheSheep> pretty friendly operating system, eh?
[09:39] <moforila> sounds easy enough
[09:39] <moforila> yeh love it
[09:40] <moforila> pay $240 for that
[09:40] <moforila> worth every cent, lol
[09:40] <moforila> Thanks TheSheep
[09:48] <hyper_ch> hiho
[09:49] <hyper_ch> windows can be bought?
[09:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, only rented
[09:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: the end user agreement basically says that you don't even own the copy you're paying for
[09:50] <hyper_ch> thought so
[09:50] <hyper_ch> the permission to spy upon you :)
[09:50] <hyper_ch> why am I worried about an OS where the NSA fiddled with it
[09:51] <TheSheep> who'd want to spy on me? even my girlfriend doesn't :(
[09:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: more than you think... since you support alternate OS so professionally you have made a lot of enemies in RedmonT :)
[09:52] <hyper_ch> Big Bill is watching you
[09:52] <hyper_ch> ;)
[09:53] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[09:53] <hyper_ch> I'm just thinking whether I should do some exam corrections or play Civ 3
[09:53] <TheSheep> no, really, "will do www for food"
[09:53] <TheSheep> ;)
[09:54] <hyper_ch> Hey!!!
[09:54] <hyper_ch> thats mean
[09:54] <TheSheep> sorry, that's my nature
[09:55] <hyper_ch> sure, if that's an excuse for everything :)
[09:55] <hyper_ch> haven't you ever seen Finding Nemo?
[09:56] <TheSheep> remember the tale about the scorpio who wnated to get to the other side of the river?
[09:56] <TheSheep> scorpion
[09:56] <hyper_ch> that's just a tale
[09:56] <hyper_ch> Finding Nemo is real :)
[09:56] <hyper_ch> :)
[09:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Disney is not real, anime is!
[09:57] <hyper_ch> Pixar is not Disney, is it?
[09:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: oh yeas it is
[09:57] <TheSheep> or was in the other company?
[09:57] <hyper_ch> it is? Oh.... ok :)
[09:58] <hyper_ch> yes, it now is
[09:58] <TheSheep> On January 24, 2006, The Walt Disney Company agreed to buy Pixar for $7.4 billion through an all-stock transaction. The acquisition was completed on May 5, 2006 (swapping one Pixar share for 2.3 shares of Disney), making Pixar a wholly-owned subsidiary of Disney.
[09:58] <TheSheep> Contents
[09:59] <hyper_ch> oh well, they still make good movies :)
[09:59] <TheSheep> there are about 4 or 5 real companies in the USA, the rest is just names owned by them
[09:59] <TheSheep> :)
[10:00] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:00] <TheSheep> for exmaple, Macintosh is just another part of Disney ;)
[10:01] <TheSheep> then WarnerBros bough Microsoft...
[10:01] <null_> waait, macintosh is part of idsney?
[10:01] <hyper_ch> WB didn't buy microsoft
[10:02] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes they did, when Disney bought Netscape
[10:02] <hyper_ch> null_: might be about mac.... steve jobs was the main share holder of pixar
[10:02] <TheSheep> see?
[10:03] <hyper_ch> how is netscape related to mac?
[10:03] <hyper_ch> I mean to apple?
[10:04] <TheSheep> the yare both part of Disney ;)
[10:04] <hyper_ch> ok
[10:06] <TheSheep> then Masterfoods bought Stallman, but the health inspection told them to drop him...
[10:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you've ever seen The Corporation?
[10:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, sounds fun
[10:09] <hyper_ch> it's an sceptical documentation about the powers of corporations
[10:09] <TheSheep> hah
[10:09] <hyper_ch> you can get it for free on bittorrent
[10:10] <hyper_ch> http://torrentfreak.com/sundance-winner-the-corporation-released-for-free-on-bittorrent/
[10:11] <TheSheep> thanks
[10:12] <hyper_ch> you're welcome :)
[10:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: btw, did you see the 'trusted computing' video?
[10:13] <hyper_ch> if you have time and bandwidth to download and watch it, then enjoy
[10:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's pretty well done
[10:13] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I don't think so
[10:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://www.lafkon.net/tc/
[10:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yeah, I've seen that one :)
[10:19] <hyper_ch> too bad that TC is in English
[10:20] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yeah, Czech would be much more funny
[10:20] <hyper_ch> yes it would be
[10:21] <hyper_ch> problem is not all people I'd like to show that understand english
[10:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: make subtitles :)
[10:24] <hyper_ch> would be an option
[10:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm sure they would even put them on that site if you sent the subtitles to them
[10:25] <hyper_ch> I don't know how to make them
[10:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: there are easy to use subtitle editors
[10:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you just pause the movie and add the text
[10:26] <hyper_ch> ah I see
[10:34] <hyper_ch> hmmm
[10:38] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you think a resolving nameserver installed on one's computer will speed up the net?
[10:39] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I don't think so
[10:39] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: your computer already caches the dns replies
[10:40] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you can disable the ipv6 dns lookup to speed things if you haven't yet
[10:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, this here seems easy to follow:   http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_mydnsconfig_dnsmasp_on_ubuntu_edgy
[10:40] <hyper_ch> I did disable IPv6
[10:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sure it's easy, but no reason to do it unless you want to have a nameserver in your private network
[10:42] <hyper_ch> hmmm, own nameservers :)
[10:44] <hyper_ch> what kind of box would you need if you want to make a real "router/nameserver"?
[10:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: depends on the traffic and the kind of routing you do
[10:46] <hyper_ch> just a small home-network... but quite a bit of active connections because of p2p
[10:46] <TheSheep> as long as you're not doing any content filtering
[10:47] <TheSheep> we had a P2 350Mhz as the router for our whole faculty network
[10:47] <TheSheep> over 300 workstations
[10:47] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[10:47] <hyper_ch> and what os?
[10:47] <hyper_ch> debian?
[10:47] <TheSheep> yes, it was running a very old debian, I think
[10:47] <TheSheep> but any linux will do
[10:47] <TheSheep> or bsd
[10:48] <TheSheep> OpenBSD is especially good for that, I've heard
[10:48] <TheSheep> at least that's what they say
[10:48] <hyper_ch> I have no clue about BSD
[10:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: all POSIX system are the same :)
[10:48] <hyper_ch> what is a posix system?
[10:49] <TheSheep> POSIX is a standard for Unix systems
[10:49] <hyper_ch> ah ok :)
[10:49] <TheSheep> it defines the commands that should be available, how they should work, what API there should be, etc.
[10:50] <hyper_ch> I see
[10:50] <TheSheep> Linux is mostly POSIX-compliant
[10:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep --> my personal Wiki :)
[10:51] <TheSheep> this means that if you can handle Linux command line, then you will be able to use most any Unix system with litle learning
[10:51] <hyper_ch> that's cool :)
[10:51] <hyper_ch> well, I get my way around the cli :)
[10:51] <TheSheep> an interesting fact: Windows NT has the POSIX certificate, it cost Microsoft a lot :)
[10:52] <hyper_ch> how do you mean?
[10:53] <TheSheep> they basically changed the the members of the comittee until they accepted it
[10:53] <hyper_ch> oh I see
[10:53] <hyper_ch> not the way it should be
[10:53] <TheSheep> the standard itself had to be changed to fit
[10:54] <TheSheep> but now Windows has an offcial POSIX certificate and Linux doesn't :)
[10:54] <TheSheep> well, that's the way it works
[10:55] <hyper_ch> what I wonder is when unices were the dominant server form before there were PC... why did microsoft take a single-user approach instead of multi-user one?
[10:55] <TheSheep> windows was never meant to be a server OS
[10:55] <TheSheep> PCs were never meant to be servers
[10:56] <hyper_ch> I see
[10:56] <TheSheep> the multiuser approach was supposed to die as PCs were introduced
[10:56] <hyper_ch> it did for some time :)
[10:56] <TheSheep> "why would you log in into amainframe if you have a capable workstation?"
[10:57] <hyper_ch> to run programs from the server so you only have to pay for 1 licence :)
[10:58] <grazie> hyper_ch: do you not rember M$'s famous statement ...'this internet thing will never catch on'?
[10:58] <hyper_ch> yes I remember
[11:00] <hyper_ch> hi there grazie
[11:00] <grazie> moring
[11:00] <grazie> morning*
[11:00] <hyper_ch> btw, Cz Republic... why must I think of girls when I hear this...
[11:01] <grazie> dunno
[11:01] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:02] <hyper_ch> maybe I should visit TheSheep and he will intorduce me to some of the stunning female friends of his :)
[11:07] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: polish girls are hot :)
[11:07] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: not the Cz ones? when I was in Australia I met some hot Cz Girls
[11:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, I live in Poland
[11:08] <hyper_ch> why did you say then before TC in Cz?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> oh well, are polish girls nice?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> Never been to Poland... well, only flew over it
[11:10] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: not much experiences with Cz girls, but when I was there I still prefered Poles :)
[11:10] <hyper_ch> Sultanovich: hola
[11:10] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I see :)
[11:11] <Sultanovich> hyper_ch: buenas noches
[11:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: it's interesting... I setup Kubuntu on my mom's notebook between xmas and new year's eve and the following two weeks she had a lot of questions but I haven't heard of her for any problem regarding Linux anymore :)
[11:20] <nraic> This OS is the best, best ever. Its so good
[11:20] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I said about TC in Cz because Cz souns very funny to Poles
[11:21] <hyper_ch> why that?
[11:21] <nraic> and the grub boot loader , that the best thing iv seen for a while
[11:21] <nraic> It works, from the minute i installed and, it just works, see the other drives and other OS on the other drives
[11:21] <hyper_ch> nraic: if your hardware is supported then it's really neat
[11:22] <hyper_ch> nraic: but if your hardware is not supported then yuo have a problem
[11:22] <nraic> Thank you for linux and ubuntu
[11:22] <nraic> hyper_ch, yeh i hope they can cover everyones hardware
[11:22] <hyper_ch> nraic: they can't
[11:23] <nraic> hyper_ch, I using some random thing hardware, so they seem to be doing a good job.
[11:23] <hyper_ch> it would be to the manufacturer to create drivers that support the hardware... reverse engineering is a tedious task
[11:23] <nraic> *I'm
[11:23] <nraic> nvidia does a good job
[11:23] <nraic> from linux to freebsd drivers
[11:24] <hyper_ch> you know, I just tend to think the OSS movement and the closed source reminds me very much of the catholic church in the middle-ages... lots of knowledge was horted by the church and there was no progression
[11:24] <hyper_ch> only if knowledge becomes available there will be progression
[11:24] <nraic> Whats the linux equivalent for a device manger, that tells me what needs drivers ect, like in windows?
[11:24] <hyper_ch> nraic: there isn't I think
[11:25] <hyper_ch> well, you can use   lspci   and   lsusb  to see whether stuff is being recognised
[11:25] <ormiret> nraic: lshw in a terminal, there is a GUI equivalent but I can't remember what it's called...
[11:25] <hyper_ch> but an equivalent like the device manager... hmmm... I can't remember I have encountered that on linux
[11:25] <nraic> hyper_ch, in your analogy are you saying microsoft is the church, they do good things but the base is wrong?
[11:26] <hyper_ch> nraic: you call it good when people get murdered, burnt, beheaded just because they have different believes about the world, origin, ....?
[11:27] <nraic> LOL dude im an atheist, you cant deny the church did some ok things, but the base is wrong.
[11:27] <hyper_ch> nraic: what I was ment to say is that we could be a lot more advanced today if the church wouldn't ahve hidden knowledge over several hundred years
[11:27] <hyper_ch> nraic: well, I do differentiate between church as an institution and religion as faith :)
[11:28] <nraic> yeh, but they are retarded any way, nothing to be learnt from them except when somethings to hard to explain, they resort to "god did it".
[11:28] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: actually nvidia's drivers are crap :)
[11:29] <nraic> why do you say that?
[11:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: they are better then that ati ones :)
[11:29] <ormiret> nraic: some religious people give great contributions to science trying to figure out how god did it.
[11:29] <nraic> they offer drivers for *nix, not everyone does.
[11:30] <TheSheep> nraic: sure, but what they offer is very badly written
[11:30] <nraic> ormiret, like who mate?
[11:30] <TheSheep> nraic: memory heavy, inefficient and insecure
[11:31] <nraic> Thesheep, your still here. I was in before named moforilla
[11:31] <nraic> I got xubuntu installed and working
[11:31] <nraic> its the bomb
[11:31] <TheSheep> nraic: the religious/political/etc discussions are offtopic even on offtopic channels on freenode
[11:32] <nraic> Ay, I didnt start it.
[11:32] <nraic> anyway
[11:32] <TheSheep> :)
[11:32] <nraic> back on topic
[11:32] <nraic> i need to install some drivers
[11:32] <TheSheep> nraic: didn't you say it works right away?
[11:32] <hyper_ch> nraic: I was drawing an analogy :)
[11:32] <nraic> I have a DFI nf4 ultra mobo and a 6600GT
[11:32] <nraic> yeh works
[11:33] <nraic> but wouldnt it make it better to have the right drivers?
[11:33] <ormiret> nraic: if it's working then you probably don't need drivers, the right ones are part of the default kernel.
[11:34] <nraic> ormiret, What about the video card, it has TV out, are the drivers in the kernel for that?
[11:35] <nraic> also, my mobo is a bit strange it a overclockers board, it can give more voltage to the ram and other things. Are you sure I dont need ther drivers?
[11:35] <ormiret> video cards are the notable exception, but didn't you already get the nvidia driver installed?
[11:36] <nraic> No, apart from running the OS installation, I have not done anything else
[11:36] <TheSheep> nraic: in linux if something is supported at all, then it is usually supported by default
[11:37] <nraic> I will try test the Tv out then, Where abouts would it be?
[11:37] <TheSheep> nraic: the nvidia and ati drivers, and some drivers for wireless crads are an exception
[11:37] <nraic> also, the package adder, very cool indeed, so easy to use.
[11:37] <ormiret> nraic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:37] <nraic> Thanks mate
[11:38] <TheSheep> nraic: try to look on http://forum.ubuntu.com
[11:38] <hyper_ch> nraic: wait until you discover the beauty of the CLI
[11:38] <nraic> Have you guys used gentoo?
[11:38] <hyper_ch> nope
[11:39] <ormiret> I have but not recently.
[11:39] <nraic> I thought Freebsd ports were cool, but this is much better. Simply because it works. IT WORKS! I love it.
[11:39] <nraic> ormiret, What was your immersion of it?
[11:40] <TheSheep> yes, they are putting even more of "it works" into ubuntu recently
[11:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: yes, I'm still amazed how well herd5 runs
[11:41] <ormiret> nraic: good if you want to fiddle with everything, a waste of time if you just want a machine that works.
[11:41] <hyper_ch> but then I have to add the the partitioner on the alternate install cd still doesn't work
[11:41] <nraic> The knoppix team is very good at "it works" principle. They should get to gather.
[11:42] <nraic> ormiert, My mate was crazy about Freebsd made me use it as a first *nix experience. Not a good idea for a first time user
[11:43] <ormiret> the whole point of gentoo is that you set everything up just the way you want so I think they are as close to 'just working' as they want to be, it is for a different use.
[11:43] <hyper_ch> nraic: why not?
[11:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: my friend was trying to get a linux working on one of our new workstations (totally weird HP boxes, all Intel) for two days. The I came and just booted the live cd :)
[11:43] <nraic> where as ubuntu could be used by my sister or mum.
[11:43] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: lol :)
[11:44] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and he's no wimp, he wrote his master thesis about loadable kernel modules
[11:44] <hyper_ch> I wrote my master thesis about something totally different :)
[11:44] <nraic> hyper_ch, you need to set everything, like ormiret said, you set it the way you like it.
[11:44] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what distro did he try?
[11:45] <hyper_ch> nraic: and why is that bad for a first time user?
[11:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: PLD
[11:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: he's one of the developers
[11:45] <hyper_ch> oh... ok :)
[11:46] <nraic> hyper_ch, command line by default, detecting xorg settings is crap, so your sitting and trying to get x working with no help from the web.
[11:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's bad because the user doesn't want thechoice between using <insert some obscure term here> or <insert another obscure term> -- he just want to browse www for some porn
[11:46] <nraic> hyper_ch, and things just dont work.
[11:46] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I tend to think it depends on the motivation of the first-time user...
[11:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: on the goal -- if it's for tinkering and fun or if he wants to have some work done
[11:49] <hyper_ch> see, so I wouldn't say it's ncessarily a bad distro :)
[11:51] <nraic> Can i change the window manager in xubuntu?
[11:55] <TheSheep> nraic: sure
[11:55] <TheSheep> nraic: some people use Beryl or Compiz, for example
[11:55] <nraic> What you think of fluxbox?
[11:55] <TheSheep> too simple for me :)
[11:56] <nraic> what do you use?
[11:56] <TheSheep> xfce
[11:56] <TheSheep> and default xfwm4 for the window manager
[11:57] <nraic> That's default for xubuntu?
[11:57] <hyper_ch> yes
[11:58] <nraic> How do I check what linux sees my graphics card as now? Maybe it will be able to go Tvout?
[12:00] <hyper_ch> nraic: open a cli and enter    lspci and then search for it
[12:00] <hyper_ch> nraic: or maybe that helps:    lspci | grep VGA
[12:01] <nraic> cli ?
[12:01] <nraic> Sorry, im a newbie.
[12:02] <TheSheep> command line interface
[12:02] <TheSheep> nraic: terminal :)
[12:02] <nraic> Thanks
[12:03] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: hey!!!!  cli is just so much quicker typed than terminal or command line interface
[12:05] <nraic> can I have a terminal shortcut added to the right mouse button on desktop click
[12:05] <hyper_ch> sure
[12:08] <TheSheep> nraic: settings->edit menu
[12:08] <nraic> Should I be able to see my other windows drive in the file manager?
[12:10] <TheSheep> nraic: I think that xubuntu puts them in /media/
[12:10] <TheSheep> nraic: they are read-only though, because rw access to ntfs is experimental
[12:11] <hyper_ch> except for Fat32 wich can be mounted as rw
[01:09] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:10] <Grey_Loki> 'lo motion
[01:49] <\rabies\> hi
[02:12] <oops> hey
[02:13] <oops> with a ralink card, shouldn't it appear as ra0 in network manager as it would on ubuntu?
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> good morning all
[02:33] <looping_> hello
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> any issues?
[02:35] <looping_> with gaim
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> what's happening [or NOT] 
[02:35] <looping_> it keeps expending so I can't reech the lower border to get the window smaller
[02:36] <looping_> lower part of the window is out of screen
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> cant you resize it from the upper left corner?
[02:37] <slow-motion> bye
[02:37] <looping_> omg, i'm so lame. gimme an XP cd please.
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> looping_, talk to some of my XP customers (i do tech for dial-up)
[02:39] <looping_> vidd_laptop: omg
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> your oversite does NOT qualify you as a windows-for-life canidate
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> typical responces:
[02:40] <looping_> i've been using linux for some time now but i kept some limited windows end-user habits
[02:40] <looping_> "Turn on the screen"
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> "what is your e-mail program?" "Internet explorer"
[02:40] <Grey_Loki> It took me three months to work out how to install stuff (from source, I mean, not apt-getting it), and even longer to work out why there weren't any .exe files.
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> "so you use the web mail?" "what is web mail"
[02:41] <looping_> Grey_Loki: I can't install from sources. Every time i try it, system misses something i don't understand
[02:42] <Grey_Loki> looping_, you need to install the 'make'', etc programs before you can compile stuff
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> "open your mail program and click tools....accounts"  "There is no accounts under tools" "close the e-mail you are writeing and try again"
[02:43] <Grey_Loki> I'm probably using the wrong words here, but since x-buntu is package-based, it doesn't ship with all the 'standard' tools you would expect
[02:43] <Grey_Loki> There's a simple apt-get package you can install that fixes it, but I can't remember for the life of me what it is
[02:43] <Grey_Loki> Something like baseutils?
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> !base-utils
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about base-utils - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> !baseutils
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baseutils - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, what "basic tools" you refering to?
[02:44] <Grey_Loki> I'm sure if you just idle here, someone like TheSheep will chime in
[02:45] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, there was an app I wanted to install that wasn't in any of the apt-get 'verses, and only the source was available on the project's homepage, no pre-compiled package
[02:45] <Grey_Loki> So I dled the source, and tried all that './configure' 'make' 'make install' jazz, but the commands weren't found
[02:45] <Grey_Loki> I asked here, and I was told that they're not installed(?) in Ubuntu by default, and you have to apt-get them.
[02:45] <Grey_Loki> I thought that baseutils was the package name, but obviously not.
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> the ability to compile from source is NOT installed by DEFAULT!!!!?????
[02:46] <Grey_Loki> This is what I was told, and what I experienced
[02:47] <Grey_Loki> On Xubuntu, at least
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> did you get what you needed or still looking?
[02:47] <Grey_Loki> I haven't actually tried to install anything that isn't in a 'verse on my Ubuntu desktop system
[02:47] <Grey_Loki> Yeah, I got it
[02:47] <Grey_Loki> I think it was TheSheep that helped me out, or one of the other regulars.
[02:47] <looping_> Am I saying something stupid but isn't *ubuntu intented for end-users?
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> yes...it is intended for end users...and no your not saying something M$-ish
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki,  build-essential
[02:50] <Grey_Loki> That's the one
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> anyone know how to clear terminal history?
[02:50] <looping_> I have gcc on my computer
[02:50] <looping_> but it can't create exes
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> looping_, i should HOPE so
[02:51] <looping_> what's the matter?
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> looping_, you dont make exe's in linux
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> or are you trying to make an APP
[02:52] <looping_> exes for executables
[02:52] <looping_> :)
[02:53] <looping_> don't think i'm dumber than i am... :p
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> executables are things for windows
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> apps are programs in linux
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> you trying to write a windows program?
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> or an app?
[02:54] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, 'clear' has always worked for me
[02:54] <looping_> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables << duh!
[02:55] <looping_> gcc talks about executables so i use the same word. :p
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> =\
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, that just blanks the screen
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> looping_, i think you need togive it sudo rights for it to make apps
[02:57] <looping_> yeah yeah, i did it
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> but im not 100% positive
[02:57] <looping_> doesn't work
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> did it work?
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> -_- its not anything ive tried...i have no ideas
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, you have any insight on getting gcc to make executable code?
[03:01] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, I don't even know what gcc is :P
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, it is a c compiler
[03:12] <Odd_Bloke> You shouldn't need to give it sudo rights for it to compile code, unless you're in a directory that only root can access.
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> then why he getting the error?
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> is he missing a file?
[03:13] <Odd_Bloke> looping_: Do you have gcc installed?
[03:14] <Odd_Bloke> Try typing 'which cc gcc'.
[03:14] <Odd_Bloke> looping_: ^
[03:16] <looping_> Odd_Bloke: sorry
[03:17] <looping_> yes i have gcc
[03:17] <looping_>  /usr/bin/cc
[03:17] <looping_>  /usr/bin/gcc
[03:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Do you have build-essential?
[03:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info build-essential
[03:18] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:20] <Odd_Bloke> looping_: Check your path ('echo $PATH') to check if gcc come before cc.
[03:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Odd_Bloke: They're both in the same dir, and they're both just symlinks to the actual binary for gcc.
[03:23] <looping_> I just launched install of build-essential
[03:23] <Odd_Bloke> Also, looking around, you do _need_ build-essential, as PuMpErNiCkLe said. :p
[03:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> $PATH won't give that information.
[03:24] <Odd_Bloke> Almost as if it were, in some way, essential to building packages.
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> lol Odd_Bloke
[03:26] <looping_> ok the source i'm testing on must be bogus
[03:30] <Odd_Bloke> looping_: The configure script runs itself on a different piece of source to test.
[03:31] <Odd_Bloke> So if you're getting that error it is a configuration problem, not a source problem.
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone here know a repo for xfce 4.4.0
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> its in fiesty
[03:39] <choppytwice> what multimedia player do you recommend
[03:39] <choppytwice> and why does gxine does not play mp3 files
[03:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mp3 support isn't installed by default because of patents on the format.
[03:41] <TheSheep> and it's illegal to install them in USA or Japan
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> but EVERYONE breaks the law
[03:43] <choppytwice> PuMpErNiCkLe: i installed vlc and it works on vlc, why isn't it universal or something :p
[03:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In any case, just install 'libxine-extracodecs' for mp3 support.
[03:43] <TheSheep> good law it is, that makes 90% of citizen into criminals
[03:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> VLC uses its own codecs.  Gxine uses the Xine codecs, which are provided independently.
[03:43] <TheSheep> oops, sorry, no plitics :)
[03:44] <choppytwice> anyone uses gaim here?
[03:44] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Yeah, but individuals can get away with it, because we don't have enough money to make it worthwhile suing us...
[03:44] <Odd_Bloke> choppytwice: Yeah, why?
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, i wish M$ thought that way
[03:44] <choppytwice> i'm wondering how to make my background black in the gaim irc client
[03:44] <choppytwice> no idea how
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> in china they paying ppl to turn pirates in
[03:46] <choppytwice> Odd_Bloke:  you have any idea how
[03:47] <Grey_Loki> What do you mean by the 'background'?
[03:47] <Grey_Loki> As in, so you see white text on a black background when talking to someone?
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> If one reverse engineered a method for encoding and decoding a proprietary format...does that REALLY violate a patent?
[03:47] <Odd_Bloke> choppytwice: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/skins.php also.
[03:48] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Possibly.
[03:48] <choppytwice> Grey_Loki: yes.
[03:49] <Grey_Loki> choppytwice, Odd_Bloke's link pretty much explains it
[03:49] <Grey_Loki> If you downloaded a theme for it, it would probably work.
[03:49] <choppytwice> i'll look for a theme then
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> M$ might be starting to lean towards open media format and away from MP3
[03:50] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, got linkage for that?
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> they got sued for like 1point something billion last month
[03:50] <Grey_Loki> I'd say they were pretty much stuck to their .wmx format.
[03:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 1.52Bn.
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> thky PuMpErNiCkLe
[03:50] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Yeah, !MP3 != open
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> ?
[03:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's likely to get reversed, though, since Alcatel-Lucent don't seem to actually own the patents in question.
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> they sued for something they dont own the patents for????
[03:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In either case, they've got WMA.
[03:52] <Grey_Loki> I can't see why everyone's getting all up in arms about MP3 and WMA, anyways
[03:53] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: (Not MP3) is not equal to (open)
[03:53] <Grey_Loki> Ogg Vorbis is a much better format, and is also open source, if memory serves
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, ok
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, it is
[03:53] <Odd_Bloke> Grey_Loki: It is certainly open source.
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, is that programmer shorthand?
[03:54] <Grey_Loki> Odd_Bloke, it's got much more headroom in it than MP3 and WMA.
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> we need to start a grass-roots movement to make government either kill patents, or require device makers to have thier devices work with open formats as well as proprietary
[03:56] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: "start"?
[03:56] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: It's standard logic notation in quite a few, yeah.
[03:56] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, you mean, remove the stranglehold that manufaturers have on their consumer base!?
[03:56] <Odd_Bloke> Grey_Loki: Cool.
[03:56] <Grey_Loki> Odd_Bloke, if you have a device where you can hear the difference, that is :P
[03:57] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: why not join one of the dozen existing ones instead? :)
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> ....lack of knowledge?
[03:57] <TheSheep> you must be kidding
[03:58] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Defective by Design?
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> we need to do a multi-million-man-march on the streets of Washington, London, Stockholm
[03:59] <TheSheep> Moscow...
[04:00] <TheSheep> and Tokyo
[04:01] <TheSheep> not to mention Pekin
[04:01] <TheSheep> oh, wait, the last time they marched there it wasn't nice...
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> all the major capitals at the same time
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, sure lets get run over by tanks again
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> MP3 is considered "THE Standard" media format for music...is it not?
[04:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No.
[04:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It is, however, a standard.
[04:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (In that there is an official spec.)
[04:08] <oops> hum,when I'm trying to install Rutil, it appears in the terminal that I don't have GTK 2.6.0 +
[04:08] <oops> :\ im not sure what do , if that is a package, could someone redirect me to it?
[04:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What installation method are you using for Rutil?
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> If the "standards consortium" [whoever the ppl are that determine if something is a standard or not]  determine its a standard, then patents to that format should no longer be enforcable
[04:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The people who made the mp3 spec are the patent holders, here.
[04:10] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Then no-one makes standards, and we're much, much worse off.
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> there will ALWAYS be standards
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> so i guess what we need then is to get maufactures to have thier little music devises to play MORE then mp3's
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> you would THINK they would WANT to say MP3 and Ogg Vorbis media formats....like its an upsell
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> More value to the consumer
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> maybe im stupid here...but where is the DOWNSIDE to these devises playing both?
[04:15] <Grey_Loki> Higher R&D costs, for one
[04:15] <Grey_Loki> Higher production costs, for another
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> but its just software
[04:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not in all cases.
[04:16] <Grey_Loki> Which needs to be coded and bugtested
[04:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Often, parts of it are implemented in hardware, and MP3 is much easier to manage there than Vorbis.
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> ic
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> well....not really...but ok'
[04:17] <ComputerHermit> how come I cant delete any logg files in my root folder they have a red X anyone tell me please?
[04:18] <Grey_Loki> ComputerHermit, if you used sudo rm, rather than just rm, it'd work
[04:18] <vidd_laptop> ComputerHermit, you need write access to delete files
[04:18] <Grey_Loki> You don't have permission to access/delete them
[04:18] <ComputerHermit> ok cool I done the rm command
[04:18] <ComputerHermit> dident work
[04:18] <Grey_Loki> If you must do it in thunar, use 'sudo thunar'
[04:19] <Grey_Loki> ComputerHermit, you ran sudo rm /path/to/file, and it didn't work?
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> from a terminal of course
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> where is this file?
[04:19] <ComputerHermit> I will try the write access
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> ComputerHermit, WHERE is this file
[04:20] <ComputerHermit> root
[04:20] <ComputerHermit> right in the file system
[04:20] <vidd_laptop>  / directory?
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> in terminal, type "sudo thunar"
[04:20] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Regarding the hardware thing, some parts of the MP3 decoding process can be done by specialised hardware. This means less load on other parts of the hardware, so they don't need to be as capable (and are hence cheaper).
[04:22] <oops> hum sorry back with the Rutil problem
[04:22] <ComputerHermit> thanks
[04:22] <oops> well in the terminal I cd to rutil
[04:22] <oops> then ./configure.sh
[04:22] <ComputerHermit> vidd_laptop
[04:22] <ComputerHermit> thank you
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> np
[04:22] <oops> and when I do this it says that I don't have gtk2.6.0+
[04:23] <oops> or something very similar
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> !rutil
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rutil - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> !gtk
[04:24] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> oops, what version of gtk do you have installed?
[04:25] <oops> I think I have 2.6.0
[04:25] <oops> but rutil asks for
[04:25] <oops> 2.6.0 +
[04:25] <oops> but when I search for packages like that
[04:25] <oops> I can't find them
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> the "+" means "or higher" i think
[04:26] <oops> I thought so too, but is there a gtk2.7.0 for instance? :s
[04:26] <oops> I was looking for that kind of package
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> no clue......i have no use gtk packages (that i know of)
[04:28] <Odd_Bloke> oops: It'll mean things like 2.6.1 as well as 2.7.0+ etc.
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, that was rather enlightening
[04:28] <oops> xD
[04:29] <oops> yea, I got that by now, but does that package exists? if so, redirect me to it please
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> oops, im the wrong person to ask about "what's the latest package of [insert name here] "
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> if the app i want is not in the repo's, i find something that is
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> or i download a .deb file
[04:31] <MattJ> Any idea why my magic sysrq keys don't work?
[04:32] <MattJ> I wondered if it was an Xubuntu thing
[04:32] <MattJ> But do they work for everyone else here?
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> MattJ, never tried
[04:32] <MattJ> Hmm :/
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> oops, what is the package you are trying to install?
[04:34] <Odd_Bloke> oops: I think you're looking for libgtk
[04:35] <Odd_Bloke> oops: libgtk2, rather. Which has been 2.8+ since Breezy.
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> brbr
[04:42] <ice_world> is there any diffrence between oem installation and any other installation?
[04:43] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: In terms of which CD you download?
[04:43] <ice_world> alternate
[04:44] <oops> vidd-laptop, that's what I've been doing, since I can't hook up via ethernet, I'm dual-booting, downloading packages (.deb) and then going to xubuntu and installing them
[04:46] <ice_world> anyone know?
[05:22] <Eagle_101> !xfce4-extra
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce4-extra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:22] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: looking for something particular?
[05:23] <Eagle_101> TheSheep: not really, I was wondering what was up with that particular package group
[05:23] <Eagle_101> As in gentoo there seems to be problems emerging it. :(
[05:24] <ice_world> thanks vidd_laptop
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, no problem
[05:24] <ice_world> after i have done a regular user, i will haveto make a root user if i want one?
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> no...
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> there IS ALWAYS a root user.....
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> you just dont know the password
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> PM me and i will give instruction
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> i wont say how in open channel, as it is BAD PRACTICE
[05:26] <ice_world> i see
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> root login = VERY BAD
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> its ALMOST as bad as running windows on MAC
[05:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's not inherently bad.  It's more of a user-habits based security approach that makes using sudo generally safer.
[05:29] <R[a] ndom> indeed PuMpErNiCkLe
[05:29] <R[a] ndom> theres nothing wrong with root login
[05:29] <R[a] ndom> its just more dangerous for noobs
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> cause they forget to unroot
[05:30] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: don't exaggerate
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> oh lolol
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> I just scrolled up and read
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> i said almost......
[05:30] <R[a] ndom> rofl @ wont say in open channel
[05:31] <R[a] ndom> sudo passwd
[05:32] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, I went to a computer security conference, and the microsoft guy opened up his presentation laptop - it was a mac
[05:32] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, now i dont get a trace route to his local hub so i cna install aporn derver!
[05:32] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:32] <Grey_Loki> Heard a load of gasps
[05:32] <Grey_Loki> He says 'Hey - mac is the best platform for running windows i've ever seen!'
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, its BLASPHAMY!!!!!!
[05:34] <ice_world> why cant i choose sweden as location if i choose english as my language?
[05:34] <ice_world> nm it worked now :p
[05:34] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, blasphemy?
[05:34] <Grey_Loki> How so?
[05:34] <Grey_Loki> Surely you should run an OS on the best platform you possibly can?
[05:34] <Grey_Loki> Even if the platform does happen to be one of your competitor's
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> ya get a decent secure system, and instal a malware magnet on it!
[05:35] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, what exactly would it do?
[05:35] <Grey_Loki> I mean sure, it'd screw up your windows partition - wipe it, and start again
[05:35] <Grey_Loki> It's not gonna bring your laptop down
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, but its SO WRONG.....like DIET LARD wrong
[05:38] <Grey_Loki> ?
[05:38] <Grey_Loki> Sorry I don't understand - I left all the operating system fanboyism behind when I started using Xubuntu.
[05:39] <ice_world> hehe
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> im not an OS fanboy...im a M$ basher
[05:39] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: where did you left it? do you want somene to step in it and hurt himself?
[05:40] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, given the state of the current MS monopoly, they're one and the same
[05:40] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep, I locked it away in a disused missile silo :P
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> Grey_Loki, how so....EVERY OS is better then M$....fanboys say "This one is the best"
[05:42] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, what makes XP so bad?
[05:42] <Grey_Loki> I mean, honestly - what's bad about it?
[05:43] <Grey_Loki> Or to clarify - what's so bad it makes people degenerate into slathering maniacs about it?
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> it is very unsecure,
[05:43] <ice_world> how so?
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> it is EVIL
[05:43] <Grey_Loki> OK, point 2 isn't a valid point :P
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> any application can do whatevery IT wants without asking or even NOTIFYING the user
[05:45] <Grey_Loki> And I run an XP desktop, I leave it on for days at a time, I run one firewall and one antivirus, and i've not yet had even a minor error/hack, let alone a serious one
[05:45] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Not necessarily true.
[05:45] <Grey_Loki> You don't keep any eye on what applications you install?
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> of course i do....but the old lady is online this very moment downloading who-knows-what via her instant messaging program without even realizing it
[05:47] <ice_world> is it recommend not to do anything whilst updating xubuntu?
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> and there are things like "click here to see this funny picture while our bot installs 10 malware programs on your system"
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, you should be able to do whatever you like while updating
[05:48] <Dame> I want to boot xubuntu from usb flash drive. Ive formated my usb flash memory in ext3 filesystem and now im copying the xubuntu CD into the usb flash memory. Do I need to do something else?
[05:49] <ice_world> ok, it seemed like firefox hung up tho :( maybe it just was cus the updater took all the resources
[05:49] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, so perhaps you should take a bit of time to learn about XP user permissions?
[05:49] <R[a] ndom> Grey_Loki, user permissions often break programs tho
[05:49] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: If you're dist-upgrading, then you might have problems.
[05:49] <R[a] ndom> from what I've read anyway
[05:49] <R[a] ndom> I've never had an xp system
[05:50] <Grey_Loki> R[a] ndom, possibly - I must say i've never used them in a home environment - I used to help administrate a subnet of my school's network
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> what i SHOULD do is take the time to save the data files on that system and put linux on it
[05:50] <Grey_Loki> We had to be quite draconian about what could and couldn't be run
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> yeah, in a setup like that it works alright
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> assuming you can trust the users
[05:51] <R[a] ndom> cause it seems pretty easy to escalate permissions
[05:51] <Grey_Loki> Hah
[05:51] <Grey_Loki> Nice quit
[05:51] <ice_world> Odd_Bloke im doing the "software updater" thing, dunno what it updates tbh, I havent used ubuntu/xubuntu for more than 30 min
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> the boy complained for about 2 days when i refused to but windows on his custom built machine
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> now he wants windows off his other system
[05:52] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: You should be fine then.
[05:52] <Grey_Loki> vidd_laptop, horses for courses, dude - if you're gonna be a gamer, you need windows; no other way around it
[05:53] <ice_world> this thing with "tabs" for the desktop is great btw, how long has it been out?
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> we need to fix that
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, you mean the virtual desktops?
[05:54] <Grey_Loki> Ages - it's not a new concept at all
[05:54] <ice_world> dont have a clue what the name for it is but i have 4 boxes next to the thrash bin so i can do diffrent things on each one of em
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> M$ will probably release it in thier next version
[05:54] <ice_world> they dont even have it in vista?
[05:54] <TheSheep> ice_world: workspaces
[05:55] <ice_world> poor show
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> dont think so
[05:55] <Grey_Loki> Not AFAIK, no
[05:55] <TheSheep> ice_world: it's in unix worlds since... let me think... CDE?
[05:55] <ice_world> cde?
[05:55] <TheSheep> there is an extension for Windows XP that adds them
[05:55] <TheSheep> Common Desktop Environment, for solaris, circa 1980 I think
[05:56] <ice_world> lol, 1980 xD
[05:56] <TheSheep> 85 maybe
[05:56] <TheSheep> bah, 1993
[05:57] <TheSheep> but the idea is older
[05:57] <ice_world> 1993 is still plenty for time for ms to steal the idea
[05:57] <TheSheep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
[05:57] <TheSheep> ice_world: they won't, it doesn't fit the way a windows user works
[05:58] <TheSheep> ice_world: btw. the lack of workspaces is imho the main reason why peole hate GIMP
[05:58] <Odd_Bloke> There are mods for Windows that do it, as has been set...
[05:59] <TheSheep> Odd_Bloke: sure, but the y are slow and use lots of memory
[05:59] <ice_world> yea but you haveto know about the mods to use them
[05:59] <Odd_Bloke> !s/set/said/
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s/set/said/ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <TheSheep> Odd_Bloke: and somehow it doesn't work that well on windows
[05:59] <Odd_Bloke> Oops, wrong channel for that command. :p
[06:00] <Odd_Bloke> TheSheep: Yeah, but if they added support for it, it'd be fine...
[06:00] <ice_world> is installing a .deb packagre more or less the same as installing an .exe in windows?
[06:01] <TheSheep> ah, OpenWindows had workplaces even earlier
[06:01] <TheSheep> ice_world: morelike installing an .msi on windows
[06:01] <ice_world> ok
[06:03] <TheSheep> twm (1987) had workspaces
[06:07] <TheSheep> seems like the idea is from SOlaris after all
[06:17] <ice_world> any ideas to why music and video playback dosent work?
[06:18] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: Depends on what you're trying to play...
[06:18] <ice_world> mp3, mpg and avi
[06:18] <ice_world> the mpg files gets video but thats all
[06:21] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: You'll need to install some codecs...
[06:21] <ice_world> ok
[06:21] <ice_world> i thought they were preinstalled
[06:22] <ice_world> btw cool that you could move windows between workspaces
[06:26] <R[a] ndom> !media | ice_world
[06:26] <ubotu> ice_world: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:26] <R[a] ndom> !codecs
[06:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:28] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: ^
[06:29] <TheSheep> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/splash/whistler2257.png <-- haha
[06:40] <sacater> where can i get sound drivers for my soundcard
[06:41] <TheSheep> sacater: what is your soundcard
[06:41] <TheSheep> ?
[06:42] <sacater> TheSheep: i should have been more specific :P, i mean the one thats on my motherboard, i have no 'soundCARD', i love my MoBo sound
[06:43] <TheSheep> sacater: doesn't matter if it's build in or saparate
[06:44] <sacater> TheSheep: erm, all i really know is its SiS
[06:44] <sacater> 'silicon integrated systems/services
[06:45] <TheSheep> sacater: lspci | grep audio
[06:45] <sacater> kk
[06:45] <sacater> 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
[06:45] <sacater> TheSheep:
[06:45] <TheSheep> sacater: the driver should be instegrated in your kernel
[06:46] <TheSheep> sacater: you don't have sound?
[06:46] <sacater> TheSheep: no i do, i just dont know whether or not im running drivers, and if not where can i get them to maybe improve the sound
[06:47] <TheSheep> sacater: well, linux doesn't have "drivers" in the sense that windows has -- except for the graphical drivers
[06:47] <sacater> TheSheep: ok, that may be why i did 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' when i got my nvidia card :P
[06:47] <sacater> then 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[06:48] <TheSheep> sacater: the producers usually don't make drivers for linux, so the code must be written by linux developers -- and then it can be included in the kernel itself
[06:48] <TheSheep> sacater: there are few producers who, like nvidia, provide their own drivers
[06:49] <TheSheep> sacater: but usually all the support is built directly into the system
[06:49] <TheSheep> and "just works" (or just doesn't)
[06:50] <sacater> TheSheep: oh cool
[06:50] <sacater> thanks for the help
[06:52] <ice_world> thx everyone for the help about codecs and players(i was away when you typed it...)
[07:10] <Odd_Bloke> oops-away: Away messages are considered bad form.
[07:33] <vidd_laptop> i swear....i dont know which is worse....windows users or MAC users!
[07:35] <vidd_laptop> these 2 londs walk into a bar....the brunette ducks
[07:35] <vidd_laptop> *blondes
[07:36] <PupUser-7ca5af> Got a question: is there a way to launch applications on the desktop with one click? I'm using xubuntu 6.10 Xfce manager.
[07:37] <vidd_laptop> there IS a way....but i dont know it
[07:37] <oops> (System Info) [CPU: <cpuinfo>] -[Memory: <totalphysicalmem>MB] -[Video Card: <videocard>] -[Sound Card: <soundcard>] 
[07:37] <oops> wtf?
[07:37] <oops> (System Info) [CPU: Intel Pentium III] -[Memory: 256MB] -[Video Card: nVidia GeForce2 MX 100/200 (Microsoft Corporation)] -[Sound Card: VIA - udio (WAVE)] -[Resolution: 1152x864x32bpp 75Hz] -[OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)] -[Uptime: 7h 26m 51s] 
[07:37] <oops> ah
[07:37] <oops> xubuntu applicant right? x)
[07:38] <PupUser-7ca5af> right
[07:38] <vidd_laptop> oops, you betcha
[07:38] <vidd_laptop> run like a race horse compared to now
[07:38] <oops> lawl
[07:39] <oops> if I just could get the ralink working, I wouldn't even be on dual-boot
[07:39] <oops> gotta try that guide
[07:40] <oops> however, I can't be hooked via ethernet
[07:41] <oops> any guide for ndiswrapper that doesn't envolved being connected through ethernet?
[07:46] <vidd_laptop> can you talk to me and work on that box?
[07:46] <Odd_Bloke> oops: Away messages are frowned upon.
[07:48] <oops> Odd_Bloke: come again? o.o
[07:48] <oops> im not following you
[07:48] <oops> you mean these:
[07:48] <oops> oops-away is Back from (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (Gone: 32mins 5secs) ?
[07:50] <Grey_Loki> oops, yeah, those
[07:50] <oops> 'k, I'll take them out
[07:50] <Grey_Loki> :)
[07:51] <oops> lets see if it worked
[07:51] <oops> yup, it was silent now :D
[07:51] <oops> sorry for that
[07:52] <oops> vidd_laptop: you were saying?
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> i can walk you thru the steps.....
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> can you talk here and work on the other box at the same time?
[07:55] <oops> nop sorry :s
[07:55] <oops> i am in THE box
[07:55] <oops> but big thanks though!
[07:56] <vidd_laptop> oops, and you dont have an ethernet cable and access point you can use?
[07:57] <vidd_laptop> hi Sultanovich
[07:57] <oops> I have an ethernet cable, just not big enough to reach the router
[07:57] <vidd_laptop> and you cant move the machine closer?
[07:58] <vidd_laptop> its a lousey wireless b....but it WORKS
[07:58] <vidd_laptop> like a portable jack
[07:58] <oops> I guess I could try moving my brother's machine closer (were the router is)
[07:59] <vidd_laptop> it makes it SOOOOOO much easier
[07:59] <vidd_laptop> brb
[08:00] <Sultanovich> somebody speak spanish?
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> try #ubuntu-es
[08:01] <Sultanovich> thanks vidd_laptop
[08:01] <vidd_laptop> no problema
[08:02] <vidd_laptop> acually....de nada
[08:02] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[08:06] <oops> vidd_laptop: nebermind the whole operation
[08:06] <oops> I just remembered that I only have the wireless card set up -.-
[08:06] <oops> the ethernet one is somewhere in the attic
[08:06] <BFTD> how do I find freenode staff?
[08:07] <oops> I found a huge ethernet cable though, but it's broken
[08:07] <BFTD> oops, how is it broken?
[08:08] <oops> the insides of it, sorry english isn't my native language
[08:09] <oops> the little copper wires inside of it x)
[08:09] <oops> from all the extreme bending and such
[08:10] <BFTD> oops, is it jsut the end? or the whole cable?
[08:10] <oops> somewhere in the middle of it, my father and I swiched the ends
[08:12] <R[a] ndom> cat5 is cheap tho
[08:12] <R[a] ndom> no big loss
[08:12] <BFTD> cut it off, and have 2 cables
[08:12] <oops> I would, but I have cables the size of the big one divided
[08:16] <ice_world> lala
[08:21] <ice_world> how do i install something that isnt .deb in exbuntu? i have only untarred it
[08:25] <vidd_laptop> cd to its directory
[08:26] <vidd_laptop> make sure the configure is executable
[08:26] <vidd_laptop> run ./configure
[08:26] <vidd_laptop> make install (you may need sudo rights)
[08:27] <vidd_laptop> whoops....missed a step
[08:27] <vidd_laptop> its make .... THEN make install
[08:27] <oops> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[08:28] <oops> and take a look at this
[08:28] <oops> helped me alot
[08:28] <superkirbyartist> I am having a hard time using iMac G3 Microphone (internal or external).  Can someone help please?
[08:30] <vidd_laptop> oops, yes...very helpful
[08:32] <oops> :D
[09:32] <ice_world> so
[09:32] <ice_world> xubuntu is win?
[09:37] <colorred> ice_world: some say
[09:40] <ice_world> hmm
[09:40] <ice_world> anyone got an idea why "always on top" in vlc dosent work?
[09:40] <vidd_laptop> whatwhatwhat??????
[09:41] <vidd_laptop> xubuntu is win????
[09:41] <vidd_laptop> what's that mean?
[09:41] <ice_world> like if you use xubuntu you win
[09:50] <chris13> I can't seem to get azureus to work
[09:51] <chris13> I installed it but when I click to start it nothing happens
[09:52] <chris13> can anyone help me?
[09:52] <BFTD> sure
[09:52] <BFTD> whats wrong?
[09:52] <chris13> azureus seems to be broken
[09:52] <BFTD> ew
[09:52] <chris13> I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it a few times
[09:52] <BFTD> use something else
[09:52] <BFTD> like a CD store
[09:53] <BFTD> or get limewire
[09:53] <chris13> no it isn't for piracy
[09:53] <BFTD> !azureus
[09:53] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[09:53] <BFTD> so whats the exact error
[09:53] <chris13> I actually need to download legitimate torrents
[09:53] <BFTD> !bittorret
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bittorret - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <BFTD> !rtorrent
[09:53] <chris13> well I don't get an error message but when I click the button to start the program nothing happens
[09:53] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[09:54] <BFTD> hrm
[09:54] <ice_world> btw
[09:54] <ice_world> isnt utorrent "better" ?
[09:54] <BFTD> !utorrent
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <ice_world> or maybe its just for win :(
[09:54] <ice_world> ...dows
[09:54] <BFTD> I thought azureus was for windows
[09:54] <chris13> I tried the package manager and apptitude
[09:55] <chris13> azureus is multiplatform
[09:55] <ice_world> java= its for everything?
[09:55] <chris13> and it has a lot of features
[09:55] <grazie> chris13: utorent is windows only but runs well under wine...the author recommends running that way
[09:56] <ice_world> god this workspace thing is just the best ever
[09:56] <chris13> I'd rather get azureus working
[09:56] <grazie> chris13: deluge is new torrent client worth considering
[09:56] <chris13> I don't play on installing wine
[09:57] <chris13> it says something about restricted xorg modules when I try to install it
[09:58] <chris13> I'll consider it
[09:58] <ice_world> if i had knewn you needed wine to run utorrent i would had ket my mouth shut
[09:58] <ice_world> kept*
[09:59] <chris13> deluge looks pretty good
[10:00] <chris13> worth a shot at least
[10:00] <chris13> thanks
[10:00] <chris13> I'll let you know how it goes
[10:01] <chris13> what is the best way to install deluge?
[10:02] <chris13> ok found it
[10:02] <chris13> just had to refresh the package manager
[10:05] <chris13> ok it is working
[10:09] <ice_world> uhm
[10:10] <ice_world> programs that would have an .exe extension in windows have no extension at all in ubuntu?
[10:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Correct.
[10:29] <ice_world> ok, th
[10:29] <ice_world> x
[11:04] <SkippyX> does anyone know why xubuntu, debian & puppy linux would all hang on install when trying to detect a cdrom in an old dell lappy?
[11:30] <oops> if anyone could find it in their hearts to write me or redirect me to a Ralink Card installation guide for a complete newbie
[11:30] <oops> it would be great
[11:42] <cycro> hello