[12:24] Edgy doesn't use 4.4.0 if I remember correctly [12:24] !xfce edgy [12:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about xfce edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [12:25] mmm ok [12:25] funny, even though firefox finished downloading the iso, wget found 16MB more and is now completing it [12:25] feisty uses 4.4.0 [12:25] and feisty uses a newer version than edgy [12:25] !xfce4-panel edgy [12:25] xfce4-panel: The Xfce4 desktop environment panel. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.99.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 287 kB, installed size 1592 kB === Eagle_101 is installing gentoo, but hangs around here anyway ;) [12:25] DawnLight: why don't you use the repos? [12:26] what and how [12:26] the add/remove? [12:26] DawnLight: sudo apt-get install firefox [12:26] well, actually it should already be installed on xubuntu [12:26] yeah it should already be there... [12:27] miscommunication here [12:27] i am downloading ubuntu edgy alt iso [12:28] DawnLight: ah :) [12:28] firefox "completed" the download, and it failed the md5sum [12:28] hah [12:28] wget ftw [12:28] DawnLight: delete that then, and just use apt-get :P [12:28] i contiuned the same file using wget to see what happens and it found 16MB more [12:29] what is apt-get? [12:29] DawnLight: did you use two different methods to get the same file [12:29] DawnLight: you are in xubuntu correct? [12:29] !apt-get [12:29] APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE) [12:29] DawnLight: apt-get is the command line install/package program [12:29] DawnLight: aptitude is an alternative [12:30] !aptitude [12:30] aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide [12:30] DawnLight: if you know what the library is called that you want to get installed then the command line is quicker than using the Add/Remove thing [12:30] and what if i just want to download the file? [12:30] then use wget [12:31] and from a specific server near me? [12:31] or the download manager in firefox [12:31] which failed me [12:31] yeah... you should already have firefox on xubuntu [12:31] if its not working, I daresay that would be a bug.. [12:31] Eagle_101: he's not looking for ff.... he wants to download *ubuntu alternate [12:31] it actually forgot to download the last 16 MB [12:31] Eagle_101: and doing so with firefox gave him problmes [12:31] oh I see! [12:31] righto [12:32] DawnLight: try using just wget [12:32] re-download the file ;) === erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #xubuntu [12:33] it passed the checksum [12:33] yay for wget [12:33] very funny === erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has left #xubuntu ["pardus-oyun.org] [12:33] hmmm, civ 3 won't load with wine :( [12:34] oohhh... [12:34] i used to play Master of Orion 2 [12:34] oh well, for some reason I do have vmware :) [12:34] Master of Orion is a great game :) loved it [12:36] now time for my first Xfburn session [12:37] DawnLight, maybe you ought to use cdrecord considering your luck with gui frontends today :) [12:37] don't wanna test herd5? [12:37] herd5? [12:38] xubuntu feisty herd5 [12:38] lol it looks like ubuntu has made its own language [12:39] crdlb: how do you mean? [12:39] cdrecord rocks :D [12:40] none of those words make any sense by themselves, but together they form a cohesive idea [12:40] crdlb: that's applicable for everyword [12:40] crdlb: you have to know the idea behind the word for them to make sense [12:40] I just thought it sounded funny, that's all [12:41] plug makes sense by the sound of it [12:41] also smear [12:41] there's a nice little short story by a Swiss German author - Peter Bichsel - in this story there's an old man... [12:41] he wonders why a chair is called a chair and not a table [12:41] and he starts switching all those words [12:42] and then when he hears other talk it makes no sense to him anymore [12:42] he changed the protocol [12:42] now he needs an emulator [12:42] hehehe [12:42] DawnLight: Geek! [12:43] you were here before [12:43] lol [12:43] error - unrecognized command === Taram [n=chatzill@i577B859F.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [12:44] DawnLight: for what [12:44] cdrecord? [12:44] apt-get install cdrecord [12:44] geek [12:44] then try [12:44] well doesn't xfburn use cdrecord? [12:45] so far I used only k3b [12:46] looks like civ 3 runs fine in vmware :) [12:46] crdlb: dunno about that, I just know cdrecord is really simple for doing iso files [12:46] hiho taram [12:46] Eagle_101: for creating iso files or burning them on cd? [12:47] command is something like cdrecord dev="/dev/path" [12:47] hi hyper_ch [12:47] for burning iso files [12:47] Eagle_101, afaik all current cd burning programs just run cdrecord in the background [12:47] Taram: got disconnected? [12:47] jupp [12:47] crdlb: really? [12:47] lol [12:47] crdlb: even k3b? [12:47] i miss clicked :) [12:47] so i was out [12:47] hyper_ch, it used to at least [12:47] Taram: hehehe [12:47] okay so what are these options there fburnfree and dummywrite [12:47] crdlb: well, then I also have used cdrecord :) [12:48] dummywrite is just a simluation [12:48] and burnfree needs to be supported by your burner I think [12:48] hyper_ch: how is workin you ajax project? [12:48] give it a go [12:48] did you fix it [12:49] hyper_ch, k3b still used cdrecord (or cdrdao) [12:49] uses* [12:49] Taram: yes, works for the ball... but now I have to make it general... I need to add some special fields like email address checks, or fields where you have a limitation (like rooms available) .... [12:50] Taram: and then I need to write it in clean code :) [12:50] that sounds fine... yada-yada-yada [12:50] but at the moment I'm occupied with exam correction of the assessment level here at university [12:50] :) [12:50] cdrecord: Bad Option: speed=. [12:51] i set the speed to 16 [12:51] I normally burn as low as I can... === aidanr [n=aidanr@83.147.134.5] has joined #xubuntu [12:52] okay this is the last cd [12:53] oh my god it just doesn't burn [12:53] next week i'll start my 6 week assessment of my secound state examination that'll be hard [12:54] how do i use cdrecord manually [12:54] DawnLight: don't you have cd-rw? [12:54] Taram: good luck on that :) [12:54] DawnLight, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom ubuntu.iso [12:54] even to you... [12:54] I think === cycro [n=robert@CPE0040f4d45ca8-CM00195ee63a94.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:54] hello [12:54] can anybody help me fix an error? [12:55] the error being...? [12:55] !ask [12:55] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [12:55] lol [12:55] never used one of them [12:55] when i boot my computer up [12:55] i get a "failed to initialize HAL" [12:55] error [12:55] ok, hal is a program to allow easy mounting [12:55] !hal [12:56] hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB [12:56] well HAL is pretty important [12:56] easy mounting of drives [12:56] but you can live without I guess [12:56] but why am i getting the error [12:56] its random [12:56] cycro: what is the error? [12:56] its been workin fine the past few days [12:56] Eagle_101, "Failed to initialize HAL" [12:56] that all? [12:56] no stack trace? [12:56] anybody know if hal keeps a log? [12:56] wats that [12:57] is there any other data after the Failed to initialize HAL part? [12:57] i forgot [12:57] crdlb: maybe syslog? [12:57] crdlb: heck if I know... likely a logger deamon of somesort would have caught it [12:57] well there doesn't seem to be a hald.log [12:58] mmm [12:58] let me log out and in to see the exact error [12:58] well if it errored there would likely be some sort of error reported and caught by the deamon === xfrost [n=xfrost@201.165.120.195] has joined #xubuntu === jlamr [n=chatzill@FT-ESR1-208-102-50-88.fuse.net] has joined #xubuntu === albert_ [n=albert@e176028240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #xubuntu === erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #xubuntu === erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has left #xubuntu ["pardus-oyun.org] === cycro [n=robert@CPE0040f4d45ca8-CM00195ee63a94.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:32] woohoo [01:32] fixed my problem [01:33] but now i have a new one [01:33] does anybody use amarok? [01:33] no but there's a channel here [01:36] thx [01:38] cycro: yes I do use it [01:38] hyper_ch, do u ever get an error about mail? [01:38] and then it crashes [01:39] no === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:50] wow....noone needs help???? [01:51] vidd_laptop: I do [01:51] do you have Konversation installed? [01:51] with what? [01:51] no [01:51] that is a KDE app [01:52] vidd_laptop: yes, it is... but you might have it anyway [01:53] no...but do you have a question about it? [01:53] yes, whether I have a reproducable bug === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu [01:54] mmm bugs [01:55] Eagle_101: I know, they have plenty of proteins :) [01:55] what is (or NOT) hapening? [01:56] vidd_laptop: well, in Feisty I noticed that the Konversation taskbar icon starts flashing upon receipt of any message in any channel... [01:57] vidd_laptop: and it seems it's not behaving like this in Kubuntu Feisty as I am talking with a kubuntu dev right now === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #xubuntu [01:57] vidd_laptop: so I want to see if someone else on xubuntu feisty can reproduce this [01:57] hyper_ch: *grin* - you're doing what i was about to [01:58] Hobbsee: I'm "always" in here :) [01:58] :) [01:58] so your running xubuntu with KDE parts? [01:59] vidd_laptop: yes, runing a few kde appz... === megamaced [n=david@62-31-57-163.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === Jester45 [n=hammy1@64-91-106-250.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:00] not sure i want to flood my system with worthless KDE [explicative deleted] to see if I get the same issue [02:00] =\ [02:01] vidd_laptop: there are many great kde appz out there :) [02:01] if they were great, they whouldnt be KDE apps =\ [02:01] hyper_ch yes but some are not worth it [02:02] vidd_laptop: some stuff on kde is great, some stuff on GNOME is great, some stuff on xfce is great, its just a matter of preference === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:02] like I personally like kate over mousepad [02:02] thats like saying there are many great windows programs....if they were great they would ANYTHING programs [02:02] Eagle_101: and since I don't use xfce because of low techs I use the programs I like most :) === irokese [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-176-60.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:02] hyper_ch: heh :D [02:03] I'm sorta that way as well :P I've not had problems using kate, or kdevelop, though vim is great as well. [02:03] hyper_ch using xfce is only only becuase of low computer specs i prefer xfce over gnome and kde [02:03] thre is just too much baggage with KDE apps [02:03] yeah they have to have the qt3 or qt4 library [02:04] Jester45: I don't... I had gnome and kde running for some time but I just didn't like it [02:04] while xfce is using gtk [02:04] ok its your preferance i like xfce better your dont [02:04] so really I would think that GNOME apps would be easier on xfce then KDE :P [02:05] but there is some great xfce stuff (like thunar) [02:05] and as time goes on, more of the gnome libs are being put into gtk [02:05] Jester45: I like Xfce better than gnome or kde as Desktop Environments but for the appz I see it differently :) [02:05] Eagle_101: thunar just lacks the splitting that konqueror can do [02:05] that is the best part of linux, I get to pick and choose the best of both worlds [02:05] whenever I run xfce, I use a bunch of gnome apps [02:06] hyper_ch: splitting? [02:06] Eagle_101: hmmm, you know gnome commander? or midnight commander? [02:06] the devs need to get to work on that then ;) [02:06] where you have a 2-pane manager? [02:06] ah ok [02:06] that makes sense. [02:06] in konqueror you have a multipane manager... you can veritcally and horizontally split [02:06] go prod some thunar devs :P [02:06] for file management I just love that [02:07] I used norton commander on dos [02:07] then windows/total command on windows [02:07] midnight commander on my debian server [02:07] :) [02:08] i just use more than one thunar window [02:09] so these "commander" programs are like windows explorer? === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-254-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:09] or are they like having to managers in one app? [02:09] s/to/two [02:10] vidd_laptop: putting a screenshot online [02:10] whats thunderbird's language? [02:12] vidd_laptop: http://www.roleplayer.org/konqueror.png --> right pane: fish/ssh protocoll for file transfer onto server | left panes just two local one splitted horizontally [02:14] hyper_ch, i can see a use for an app like that...but 2 thunars work just as well....and is easier for me to undersand what im doing [02:15] vidd_laptop: well, instead of two thunars you can have them in one piece [02:15] and just drag'n'drop left and right without being required to switch windows [02:16] as said, if thunar would have that splitting option it would be great :) I just like a 2-pane manager [02:16] yeah...but knowing me like i do...im likely to move a file to the wrong place...where it will do the most harm! [02:16] thunar sorta has two panes [02:17] vidd_laptop: you mean the filesystem tree? [02:17] yeah [02:17] Is there a way to make a certain window transparent (using xfwm4's compositor) via a command? [02:18] vidd_laptop: never liked it in windows with the windows explorer.... :) I just grew up with 2-pane managers :) [02:19] just wish they would EXPAND the file tree (so it acually WORKS like a file tree) [02:21] maybe im too small minded...maybe im still too windowsish....but i really dont see any NEED to have the contents of more then one file displayed [02:22] or rather more then one DIRECTORY [02:22] except for the making of cd's and dvd's..... [02:23] but you dont use file managers for that kind of task [02:23] vidd_laptop: if you just want move your stuff around it's quite handy === darrend [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [02:24] lol....do you RALLY need to move stuff around often enough to make a "move your stuff around easily" app? [02:24] vidd_laptop i understand it if you move lots of stuff its much faster but... i would rather open 2 windows === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [02:25] Jester45, as would i [02:26] when i put something somewere...it STAYS there forever [till i format and reinstall] [02:27] vidd_laptop: when I put something somewhere it doesn't stay long there... normally I just put everything on the desktop and clean it up on a regular base [02:27] as do i..... [02:27] usually from the desktop to the black hole to the left of the screen [02:29] but if i am taking stuff off the destop, i usually fire up terminal, sudo thunar, and drag and drop the files right from the desktop to its final destination [02:29] good night everyone [02:29] well it would be nice to have multiple panes in thunar :D but that is just more feature bloat that I'm not sure xfce wants or needs. [02:29] gnight hy [02:29] gnight hyper_ch [02:29] night hyper_ch [02:31] Eagle_101, just the expandable let filesystem tree would sufice for 99%, with (i would assume) minimal bloat [02:31] i like to null everything on my desktop [02:32] null? like toast? [02:32] vidd_laptommm === albert [n=albert@e176028240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:34] *wave* Odd_Bloke [02:35] didnt see ya there === cclampblue1 [n=cclampbl@cpe-24-210-222-190.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:38] is TheSheep in here? [02:38] *wave* cclampblue1 [02:39] you two one in the same huh? just wanted to say thanks for the advice. bad ram was the problem [02:39] cclampblue1, i am NOT TheSheep [02:40] just my way of saying hi [02:41] vidd_laptop stop messing with him you ARE TheSheep === vidd_laptop is NOT TheSheep === vidd_laptop will not take credit for other's work [02:43] 2007-03-03 07:50 I am also called TheSheep [02:43] that proves it ;) [02:43] :) === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #xubuntu [02:45] huh? [02:45] i dont think i was even ONLINE on the third! [02:46] well the logs say you were [02:46] that was the day of my daughter's birthday party......i KNOW i was not online [02:46] now is this vidd's daughter or TheSheep's daughter [02:46] so someone was inpersonating me? [02:46] /nick thesheep [02:46] d'oh! [02:47] /nick vidd_laptop [02:47] d'oh! x2 [02:47] kalikiana_, can you check those logs to find the IP of the impersonator? [02:48] and what time zone was that 0750? [02:48] *g [02:48] UTC+1, but I don't take that seriously anyway :P === vidd_laptop takes it seriously........ [02:50] someone is impersonating me impersonating someone! [02:50] =\ [02:50] and someone i RESPECT! [02:51] static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net [02:53] Jester45, that is my CURRENT ip....i want to know what IP the imposter used @ 01:50 EST on 3/3/2007 [02:54] i must of been you [02:54] it* [02:54] you must be the imposter [02:54] it COULDNT have been me.... [02:54] well you saw the ip [02:54] so it was someone from your house [02:54] it wasnt be becuase i dont have verizon [02:55] or someone tunneling through [02:55] vidd_laptop looks like youve got a slip personility [02:56] kalikiana_, you have that log file? [02:57] 01-01-01 UTC+1, but I don't take that seriously anyway :P [02:58] Jester45, it dont make any sense.....you can see im not really TheSheep because his IP is in Poland, and mine is in NE PA, USA [02:58] long ethernet cable [02:59] or... proxy [02:59] or one heck of a wireless connection === Jester45 agrees === kalikiana_ does not no even have log files... [03:00] ah...so ya just pulling my leg?????? [03:01] @lart kalikiana_ === jlamr [n=chatzill@FT-ESR1-208-102-50-88.fuse.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] hmmm....that dont work here [03:03] kalikiana_, that was SOOOO wrong! [like DIET LARD wrong!] === kristjans [n=kristjan@static-71-102-88-66.plspca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-254-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === cclampblue1 [n=cclampbl@cpe-24-210-222-190.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [03:05] and Jester45 yer SUCH the comodian [03:05] !seen cellowfellow [03:06] !seen cellofellow [03:07] !seen Jester45 [03:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jester45 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:07] ? [03:09] man...noone needs helpat all tonight [03:09] has it been like this all day? [03:10] There was more activity earlier [03:12] lol === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@F73c6.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] *sigh* .... installing mplayer === MattJ [n=matthew@88-111-243-132.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:18] anyone familiar with player? [03:19] *wave* MattJ [03:19] anyone familiar with mplayer? === ormiret uses it [03:19] Hey :) [03:19] vidd_laptop: yep, how are you installing it [03:19] ? [03:19] synaptic [03:19] ah [03:19] it installed...just wont play [03:20] typing: mplayer file ? [03:20] launched from menu..... [03:20] i umounted the drive...that might solve my issue [03:21] well launching from the menu would only work if the version you installed included the GUI (gmplayer) [03:22] hmmmm [03:23] gmplayer is not in my synaptic === vidd_laptop is running fiesty [03:23] do you get a GUI when you launch mplayer from the menu? [03:23] yes [03:23] you can try just launching the command from a terminal, it might very well be in the package [03:23] ah [03:24] i have libdvdcss2 installed..... [03:24] why wont it play????? [03:24] what isn't working, and are you getting error messages? [03:26] i press the play button, nothing happens [03:27] let me try a different disk.... [03:27] have you told it what to play? [03:27] ummmm...... [03:27] no\ [03:31] I can't find how to tell the GUI version to play a DVD, I use 'mplayer dvd://' in a terminal === irvin_ [n=irvin@124.217.22.106] has joined #xubuntu [03:31] ok...i dont feel so stupid [03:32] ormiret, gmplayer dvd:// ? === irvin_ [n=irvin@124.217.22.106] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #xubuntu [03:32] crdlb: yeah, I expect that would work, I was looking for an option in the gui to play a DVD though [03:33] ormiret, yer a life saver [03:34] ormiret, in mine, I can right click on the interface and choose dvd->open disc [03:35] crdlb: cheers, that works. I clicked on all the buttons but didn't think to right click... === ormiret doesn't like GUIs [03:37] "error opening/initializingthe selected video_out (-vo) device." [03:38] is that from the GUI? [03:39] yeah [03:39] did it start playing anyway? [03:39] and when i did what you told me it only played one selection [03:39] no [03:39] You can change the output from the settings dialogue (click on the spanner to get it) [03:40] spanner lol [03:40] wrench if you're american [03:40] I was like what's a spanner?...Oh british [03:42] :) [03:42] i dont understand what im doing in here=\ [03:43] vidd_laptop: to get other bits of the DVD put a number after dvd:// (lots of disks have logo type things on 1) === sunnz2 [n=zac@ppp53-118.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_laptop REALLY dont get it now..... [03:46] the CLI works....but the gui dont === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@tapthru/resident/NthDegree] has joined #xubuntu [03:48] are they both using the same video output - the CLI version tells you somewhere in the text and the GUI in the settings dialogue under the video tab [03:50] It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available. [03:50] Run 'xvinfo' to verify its Xv support and read DOCS/HTML/en/video.html#xv! [03:50] See 'mplayer -vo help' for other (non-xv) video out drivers. Try -vo x11 [03:50] that is what the terminal says [03:50] but it plays [03:51] there should be a 'VO: [foo] ' line near the bottom, what is the foo? [03:53] !paste [03:53] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [03:53] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9766/ [03:53] here is ALL the output [03:53] =] [03:55] line 54 says that is using x11, does the GUI work if you select that there? [03:55] let me find out =] [03:57] its listed in the available drivers....dont know how to CHOOSE one! [03:57] just click on it so the highlight moves to it and then click OK [03:58] you may need to restart mplayer [03:58] I think you just need to do a stop/play but restarting the whole app would make sure. [03:59] yer the best [04:00]