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lexhider I have a Q. If I remove kubuntu-default-settings package, do I then have vanilla kde settings as in debian?03:01
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manchicken_Riddell: ping04:20
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=== Hobbsee waits for zerlinna
Jucatohi Hobbsee04:51
Hobbseeheya Jucato - seen planet?04:52
JucatoHobbsee: about your 2 posts? :D04:52
HobbseeJucato: no.  read after :P04:52
=== Jucato doesn't get it...
HobbseeJucato: read steven herman's post, the comments, and daniel stone's post a couple above that04:55
Jucatoaaah04:55
Jucatook...04:55
Hobbseethat's why it's a bit quiet in -motu, i think04:55
yuriyHobbsee: i read -planet a little bit ago :-\05:01
JucatoI didn't really know it would have created a ruckus :)05:01
Hobbseehehe05:02
Hobbseeneither did i05:02
=== Hobbsee is still amused
=== Hobbsee is thinking of a response, though
Jucatoheh how do you feeel about being referred to as a sexy lady from AU? :D05:04
Hobbseewell...05:04
Jucato:D05:04
Hobbseeif he's doing it sincerely, then it's a compliment, and i'll take it as such.05:04
nixternalhiya Hobbsee and Jucato!05:04
Hobbseehowever, i'd hate for my sexiness, however much that may be, to be the focus of people's perception of me05:05
Jucatohiya nixternal! :)05:05
nixternalHobbsee: You missed my comment earlier about that :)05:05
Hobbseehey nixternal!05:05
=== nixternal scrolls up to find it
Hobbseenixternal: argh!  i didnt keep long pointy stick in there!05:05
nixternal[ nixternal]  \sh_away: you sexy beast :) nice blog post there ;p05:05
JucatoHobbsee: now you're in seele's shoes when she was featured in dot.kde.org :D05:05
nixternal;)05:05
nixternalhehe05:05
HobbseeJucato: you think i havent seen this before?05:06
Hobbseenixternal: haha05:06
ajmitchHobbsee: all your secret admirers online?05:06
nixternaldamn, I hadn't noticed Daniel's post Hobbsee until you said something05:06
Hobbseeajmitch: was meaning in person too.05:06
ajmitchah yes05:06
Jucatosecret admirers? where can I sign up? :D05:06
=== Hobbsee got a secret admirer valentines day present a couple of years ago
nixternalJucato: then it won't be secret silly05:06
ajmitchheh05:07
Jucatobah :)05:07
=== Hobbsee still has no idea who the hell sent it, as the person she suspected said he hadnt.
ajmitchwasn't me05:07
nixternalHobbsee: haha, I got one this year, and being the ass I am, did a return to sender05:07
nixternalMy x-wife got mad at me, so I know where it came from now ;p05:07
yuriyhmm isn't the idea of a secret admirer sending presents to not be a secret admirer anymore shortly after05:07
nixternalyuriy: yes, but 99.9% of the time it goes from secret admirer to some scary ass stalker (hi Jucato)05:08
Hobbseehaha05:08
nixternal;p05:08
Hobbseeyuriy: you would have thoguht that, yes...05:08
=== ajmitch hasn't stalked anyone for awhile :(
nixternalgahahaha05:08
ajmitchie, never05:08
nixternalnice try to cover that one up05:08
nixternalto late though, it is logged05:08
ajmitchheh05:08
ajmitchat least Hobbsee knows I'm normal enough05:09
Hobbseehehe05:09
ajmitchwhatever 'normal' means around here05:09
Hobbseewith your exe05:09
ajmitch:P05:09
Hobbsee(axe in all normal languages)05:09
Hobbsee:P05:09
nixternalheh, I was getting ready to say, exe, like MS exe05:09
yuriyit's kind of like an axe..05:10
Hobbseehehe!05:10
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nixternalHobbsee: it is cool. My x is a LinuxChix in DC05:12
=== ajmitch wonders if he should go & visit australia again soon
ajmitchmight be wise for me to avoid sydney :)05:12
Hobbseeajmitch: why so?05:13
ajmitchtoo many scary people there05:13
Hobbseenixternal: it is.  but i'm actually not really afilliated with them :P05:13
yuriyajmitch: with pointy sticks of doom?05:13
ajmitchyuriy: she's harmless05:13
yuriyBook VI: Mostly Harmless05:13
Hobbseeajmitch: you thought that...05:13
Hobbseeyuriy: *grin*05:14
Hobbseeyuriy: you beat me to it05:14
ajmitchHobbsee: I know it's true05:14
=== Hobbsee has been known to kick, bite...
Hobbseemind you, that's usually when someone puts me in a headlock first...05:14
ajmitchI'm not that stupid05:14
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Hobbseeoh good05:14
=== ajmitch should probably reply to some email
yuriywould be nice if somebody on planet would blog about kubuntu bugs week (ack it's monday already even here)05:20
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Hobbseeyuriy: indeed.05:45
Hobbseeyuriy: you a member yet?05:45
Hobbseeyuriy: make Jucato do it :P05:45
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yuriyHobbsee: not quite yet : )05:46
yuriyJucato: ^^05:46
Hobbseeyuriy: darn.05:47
yuriyof course i did blog about it myself, but i'm talking to a wall05:49
Hobbseeyuriy: true that :(05:49
Hobbseeyuriy: one of us could link to you05:49
yuriywell, it's at gamemank.wodpress.com05:50
=== Jucato wants to first get over this distupgrade tool bug...
HobbseeJucato: blog first, it'll take planet a bit to resync06:01
Jucatoyuriy: know anything about a "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE" error?06:02
HobbseeJucato: i'd wait for Riddell over that one06:02
yuriyin what?06:02
yuriyand no06:02
JucatoHobbsee: haven't added my blog yet... I need SSH keys and stuff...06:02
HobbseeJucato: wont take you that long to do06:02
JucatoHobbsee: ssh-keygen -t dsa right?06:04
Hobbsee!ssh06:04
ubotuSSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/06:04
HobbseeJucato: first link.  i dont remember offhand sorry06:04
Hobbseewas so long ago that i did it06:04
Jucatoheh ok... I made one earlier.. but since I know squat about SSH and GPG...06:05
Hobbseeit makes slightly mroe sense after you do it.  but mostly not06:07
Jucatohehe06:08
yuriyi still need to make a gpg key too06:10
=== Jucato now has both.. but not too sure about his SSH key...
=== Jucato waits for sunlight to reach UTC...
HobbseeJucato: not sure about which bit?06:12
Hobbseeyuriy: generate it now, if you want06:12
=== yuriy should be doing hw. stop trying to distract me with more useful things! :P
JucatoHobbsee: the last part ends in "jucato@kubuntu"06:14
Jucatonot sure where it got that part from... my GPG has jucato@kubuntu.org06:14
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Hobbseeyuriy: go back to it :P06:15
=== Hobbsee stil lhas one more evil question of physics assignment to do
HobbseeJucato: the last part of which?06:15
JucatoHobbsee: last part of my id_dsa.pub key06:16
HobbseeJucato: ah yeah, that's normal06:16
Jucatoah so it's normal for it not to be "jucato@kubuntu@org"?06:17
Jucatoah lol! it was taking it from my hostname06:17
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Hobbseeyep, i was suspecting as much, seeing as mine's sarah@sarah06:17
Jucatohehe06:17
Hobbseeseeing as you can change the addresses on your public key06:17
Jucatoso if I change hostnames... I should regenerate that key?06:17
Hobbseeer, gpg06:17
Hobbseeno06:17
Hobbseeyou dont need to06:18
Hobbseeas long as you keep the private key06:18
Jucatooh ok06:19
Jucatonow to install bzr and paramiko :)06:22
Hobbseewiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu06:23
Hobbsee:)06:23
Jucatoyep06:23
Jucatothere already :)06:23
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mhbmorning everyone06:41
Hobbseeheya mhb06:41
Jucatohi mhb06:42
mhbmorning Hobbsee, seems you've gotten popular recently :o)06:42
Jucatooops.. the hackergotchi required for Planet needs to be smaller than the oe on LP..06:42
Hobbseemhb: indeed!06:42
Hobbseeright, hackergotchi added to LP too06:44
Jucatohehe :)06:44
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JucatoHobbsee: I'm nervous... about to send the bzr commit -m command... what's the -m for btw?06:51
HobbseeJucato: -m "your message here"06:51
Jucatoah...06:51
ajmitchHobbsee: trying to invite more stalkers? :)06:51
=== Jucato has sweaty hands...
Hobbseeajmitch: no.  nto really.  i have a creepy enough boss at my work.  as long as i can avoid him, i should be OK06:52
ajmitchheh06:52
Hobbseeunfortunately, he's the top boss (store manager)06:52
Hobbseeso i think i might be moving jobs soon :P06:52
ajmitchah, that's unfortunate06:52
ajmitchprobably a wise idea06:52
=== Hobbsee doesnt like being spied on
=== Jucato is not stalking Hobbsee btw... stalking involves secrecy and discreetness :)
Hobbsee:P06:52
ajmitchhah06:52
ajmitchJucato: like that black unmarked van sitting on the road?06:53
=== Jucato google up "Sarah Hobbs"...
Jucatodang!! it's that conspicuous?06:53
ajmitchafraid so06:53
Jucatohm...06:53
Hobbseehehe06:53
Jucatobtw.. once I add myself to the planet, will it flood the planet w/ my previous posts? :/06:54
ajmitchwe'll find out soon :)06:54
Jucatoyikes...06:55
ajmitchis your blog full of bad poetry & various other things?06:55
Jucatoer...06:55
Jucatoit is...06:55
JucatoO.o06:55
ajmitchwonderful06:55
Jucatothere! Committed revision 162.06:56
Jucatonow to wait for hours...06:56
=== ajmitch wonders how long it takes to appear on planet
Jucato"Please note that Planet runs from cron, and it relies on the work of some periodic events on the Launchpad server. Your changes could take up to two hours to take effect."06:57
ajmitchuseful06:58
=== ajmitch considers adding his unused blog to planet
ajmitchnot really worth it06:59
Jucato:D06:59
Jucatoplanetmania :)06:59
=== ajmitch reads through Jucato's blog
Jucatoeek! it's up already?07:06
Jucatoah not yet :D07:06
ajmitchnope, but I know the url :)07:07
Jucatohahah :)07:07
yuriyfreeflying: why reject 53543?07:21
freeflyingyuriy: do you think that issue is a bug?07:22
yuriyreferring to a nonexistent key is a bug, no? even if minor.  and anyways an explanation comment would be nice07:22
yuriylike there's probably no good way to fix that..07:23
freeflyingyuriy: I don't know why can't he copy/paste in knsole? he can use F11 and F12 as middle and right click07:25
yuriybut the keyboard shortcut is shift+insert07:26
JucatoHobbsee, yuriy: http://jucato.org/blog/stomping-on-bugs-for-the-fawn/07:26
yuriynice Jucato07:27
Jucatoyuriy: just waiting for my blog to be added...07:28
=== Jucato crosses his fingers...
yuriywhoa planet has fancy shadows and stuff in konqueror07:28
yuriynot just that, it looks completely different than in opera07:28
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Jucatolol Hobbsee! sorry if I made you quit :)07:29
Jucatoyuriy: haven't seen it in opera...07:29
ajmitchthe shame07:29
=== Jucato silently cheers.. yay! 2nd blog post made using vim...
ajmitchI can't believe there were classes on using checkinstall07:30
=== ajmitch shudders
Jucatolol07:30
Jucatoyeah07:30
Jucatoit was only then that I found out how checkinstall wasn't that recommended07:30
ajmitchI trust that Hobbsee has educated you since then?07:30
Jucatoyes :)07:31
ajmitchgood07:31
Hobbseehehe07:31
Jucatounfortunately, I still don't know how to package properly lol07:31
Hobbseedamn, computer froze07:31
ajmitchHobbsee will teach you :)07:31
Jucatoyeah, but I think I'll bother her after the release07:31
Hobbseehehe07:31
Hobbseewill i now?07:31
=== Jucato is also waiting for zakame :)
Hobbseeyou're a mentor, ajmitch07:31
ajmitchI am? :)07:31
Hobbseeyep07:32
ajmitchcouud have fooled me07:32
Hobbseeajmitch: besidse, you're a core dev, so you're better than me.07:32
Jucatohaha! I'll be in -motu soon too07:32
ajmitchhah07:32
ajmitchyou will? :)07:32
Hobbseepackaging wise07:32
Hobbseehehe07:32
Jucatoyes... another room to lurk in :)07:32
Hobbseeyou dont need to be a MOTU to lurk in there07:32
ajmitchJucato: oh, I thought you mean you'd be a motu soon :)07:32
=== Jucato also plans to make a slow entrance into -bugs and -doc
Jucatoajmitch: that's the plan bwahaha07:32
Jucatoj/k07:33
ajmitchfirst you need to pay the appropriate bribes07:33
Jucatoheh :)07:33
Hobbseeto the "sexy lady from australia likes money foundation"07:33
Jucatohahaha!07:33
Hobbseeof course ;P07:33
ajmitchno, to the "MOTU Council Appreciation Fund"07:33
=== Hobbsee will just have to get on the MOTU council, then
Hobbseebut isnt that a direct forward to the aforementioned foundation?07:34
ajmitchnope07:34
Hobbseeawww07:34
=== Hobbsee files a bug on it
Jucatolol07:34
ajmitchJucato: since it'll probably be expensive for you to ship stuff to europe, just send it to NZ & I'll "distribute" it to the rest of the MC, OK?07:34
=== Hobbsee marks it with critical importance
Hobbseehah07:34
Jucatolol :)07:35
JucatoHobbsee: hm.. Steve = Stephan Hermann right?07:35
HobbseeJucato: yes07:35
Jucatoah ok07:35
=== ajmitch has never seen him use the name steve
Hobbseeer, i should probably change that07:35
ajmitchyeah07:35
=== Hobbsee thought he was steven, for some reason.
ajmitchno, we have enough of them07:36
Hobbseeehhe07:36
Jucatohehe07:36
Hobbseedone07:36
=== ajmitch looks at the grilling on the mc list
ajmitchI'm sure Jucato will be more than ready for a decent interrogation :)07:36
Hobbseehehe07:37
Jucatohehe glad that it's still going to be in a distant future :)07:37
=== Jucato already has planned packages to work on, though
Hobbseewoo :)07:38
Hobbseeworking on them now?07:38
ajmitchI hope so..07:38
Jucatonope :)07:38
=== ajmitch starts drawing up some questions to ask
Jucatolast time I tried reading the Packaging Guide...07:38
Jucatolet's just say that I had to go to bed earlier that day :D07:39
ajmitchhehe07:39
ajmitch"Why can libc6 not be Essential: yes"?07:39
JucatoO.o07:39
Jucatouh oh... why didn't my hackergotchi show up?07:43
ajmitchJucato: you didn't add it?07:44
JucatoI did07:44
ajmitchyour commit didn't have it07:45
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ajmitchdid you bzr add jucato.png ?07:45
Jucatoha!07:45
Jucatodang! :P07:45
yuriyJucato: could you do me a favor and put my last name in since you mentioned me? (congratulations your first planet post starts off with my name :P)07:46
Jucatoyuriy: heh ok :)07:46
=== yuriy is Yuriy Kozlov
=== Jucato knows... /whois is so useful :P
Jucatoajmitch: I have to run bzr commit -m again right?07:47
ajmitchyes07:47
=== yuriy really ought to have a more universal screen name
=== ajmitch ought to have an interesting irc nickname
Jucatoajmitch: where did you see my commit btw? :D07:48
ajmitchbzr log07:51
nixternalHobbsee: I had to comment on that post :)07:51
=== nixternal hides
ajmitchnixternal: I'm not that brave07:52
nixternalmy post was at least pg, maybe pg1307:52
ajmitchhehe07:52
nixternalshould create a post that asks A/S/L ! :)07:52
ajmitchyou're both brave & stupid then :)07:53
Jucatolol07:53
nixternalhaha07:54
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nixternalhaha, Seveas has a super funny blog post08:03
Jucatoyeah :)08:04
Jucatoand a super funny pic linked to it :)08:05
nixternalgahaha08:14
nixternalI didn't even see that08:14
nixternaloh well08:14
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nixternalg'nite all08:14
Jucatonight nixternal!08:14
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tonio_hi09:07
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LureTonio_: hi09:22
Tonio_Lure: hey :)09:23
LureTonio_: do you know what is the state of k3b 1.0rc6 packaging?09:23
=== Lure would love to have this in feisty, but time is ticking... :-(
=== Tonio_ just discovered his car has been broken :(
LureTonio_: that is never good :-(09:24
Tonio_this night....09:24
Tonio_Lure: dunno concerning k3b09:24
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=== Jucato waves to Lure and Tonio_ (although a bit late...)
=== Lure waves back to Jucato
JucatoLure: added my blog :)09:50
Jucatothanks for the howto page, btw :)09:50
LureJucato: great - good to have more Kubuntu blogs on planet09:51
Jucatoyeah. hope I can fill the planet w/ Kubuntu love :D09:51
Jucato(it also helps that we have that sexy lady from AU w/ a LongPointyStick :D )09:52
LureJucato: lol09:53
Tonio_argh.............. 600 euros to get my car repaired...........09:57
LureTonio_: french car? I know the feeling.. ;-)09:59
Tonio_Lure: english car09:59
Tonio_rover09:59
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LureTonio_: oh, that is even worse ;-)09:59
Tonio_Lure: yes :(10:00
Tonio_Lure: the point is that it has been manually broken10:00
Tonio_not car accident10:00
Tonio_is "retrovisor" correct ?10:00
Tonio_if yes, it looks like someone broke it just for fun.....10:00
Tonio_that's very common in france10:02
Tonio_which drives me nuts10:02
Tonio_Riddell: howdy ?10:04
Tonio_Riddell: I'm back in the work10:04
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Hobbseenixternal: *grin*10:19
Tonio_Hobbsee: !!10:21
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Tonio_crimsun: concerning bug 87253, I've noticed that with the current kernel patch, one just need to unmute the line in to get sound from the speakers10:49
UbugtuMalone bug 87253 in alsa-driver "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8725310:49
Tonio_crimsun: I'll wait for the new kernel to be out to test the proposed patch and give you feedback, probably in a few days10:50
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Tonio_crimsun: looks like the second patch is just to make speakers and headphones independantly configurable10:50
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_StefanS_hi there11:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: hey long time no see :D11:01
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=== Jucato waves to _StefanS_
_StefanS_Jucatooooooo11:01
Jucato:)11:01
_StefanS_Jucato: I think i know how to handle that kdesu thing (when i eventually get around to it)..11:02
_StefanS_Jucato: I'm just going to use a static screenshot11:02
_StefanS_Jucato: and fade it11:02
Jucato_StefanS_: great! once Riddell gets back, I'll probably be able to get around my distupgrade tool problem and finally join the ranks of the feisty :D11:02
_StefanS_Jucato: please do, it works great .. have been on since herd2 and havent really had any major probs11:03
Jucato_StefanS_: I've only been holding back on upgrading because I want to help test the dist-upgrade tool11:03
Jucatojudging from the experiences of people who have accidentally included the edgy-proposed repos in their sources.list, it sort of doesn't work now...11:04
Jucatoso I'm waiting (since Saturday evening) for Riddell :)11:04
_StefanS_oh11:05
_StefanS_I will probably just reinstall anyways when it goes final11:05
_StefanS_too much screwing around on my current installation :)11:05
Jucatoheh. I'm hoping that I will not reinstall this time...11:05
Jucatojust to help dispell the myth :)11:05
_StefanS_ah yep..11:05
Jucatobut ever since Breezy, I've always had dist-upgrade problems and ended up reinstalling anyways..11:06
_StefanS_Jucato: there was some changes to upstart here in the last updates, so I'm kinda interested to see if it changed things11:06
Jucatoooh upstart :)11:06
_StefanS_yep11:06
Tonio__StefanS_: yes I was on vacations11:06
Tonio_now I'm back in the work11:06
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_StefanS_Tonio_: multiple vacations ?? :)11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: just kidding11:07
Jucatoheh hi Tonio_! are you available for 2 quick questions? :)11:07
Tonio_Jucato: sure11:07
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Tonio__StefanS_: just a 2 weeks break11:07
Tonio_:)11:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: ow, went somewhere warm ?11:07
Tonio__StefanS_: back in family on ly11:08
Tonio_only11:08
RiddellJucato: what's up?11:08
JucatoTonio_: first is the Flash installer script in Konqueror. it installs in $HOME right? so APT doesn't know about it? what if an update to flash is available? how will users be notified? I think that was a problem in Edgy (Flash 7 to 9)11:08
Tonio_Jucato: they won't, if they want too, they have to install the package11:08
Jucatoand if they install the package? there will be no conflicts between the one in $HOME and the one installed by apt?11:09
Tonio_Jucato: no conflict, the most recent file is used11:09
Jucatoah ok :)11:09
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JucatoTonio_: 2nd question, since you're the one fixing the kcm stuff :)11:10
Tonio_Jucato: yes11:11
RiddellTonio_: work?  as in job?11:11
Jucatoit's about kommando. in the latest version, installing Kommando adds a control module in KControl -> Desktop. just wanted to check if it gets added to system settings as well. (in case someone installs it on feisty... but what are the chances of that?)11:12
Jucatohi Riddell! :)11:12
Riddellhola11:12
Tonio_Riddell: work for ubuntu ;)11:13
Riddellah11:14
Tonio_Riddell: no job atm, unfortunatelly.... my city isn't that nice for sysadmins.... I refused 3 jobs last month11:14
Tonio_companies wanted me because of my ubuntu work, but was too far for me...11:14
Tonio_Riddell: will fix install-mp3 today, once I get the "pipe" key working on my macbook :)11:14
Riddelltalking of france, there's due to be an announcement from the assemblee nationale today11:15
RiddellTonio_: ryan changed it, but it needs testing11:15
JucatoRiddell: if you're a bit free (or later?), could I bother you with a distupgrade tool problem?11:15
RiddellJucato: please do11:15
Tonio_Riddell: will test then11:16
Tonio_Jucato: I'll patch kommando then11:16
JucatoRiddell: basically "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE". This is the only output I get11:16
Jucatohttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9998/11:16
RiddellJucato: normal edgy KDE or 3.5.6?11:16
JucatoTonio_: ah kool. I use it that's why I was curious hehe :)11:18
JucatoRiddell: I added the repo for users on KDE 3.5.6 that you have on the KubuntuDistUpgrade page11:18
JucatoRiddell: 3.5.611:18
JucatoI added this repo: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/ ./11:18
Riddellah, the 3.5.6 one may be out of date, there's some changes I made to edgy-proposed that havn't been in 3.5.611:18
Jucatoaah11:18
Jucato:)11:18
Tonio_Jucato: will do that today, probably evening.... restarting X now11:19
RiddellJucato: give me a few hours and I'll update that and we'll see if we can get you fixed11:19
JucatoRiddell: sure no problem. I was able to wait for 2 days :D11:19
JucatoI just want to be able to help in the bug week :)11:19
Jucatobtw, for some unexplicable reason, some users have edgy-proposed in their sources.list. I haven't been able to trace where they got it... so naturally, they've been bothered by the dist-upgrade tool :D11:20
fdovingi've noticed that too,11:21
Jucatokinda hard to help fix those... luckily their sources still remain "edgy"11:22
freeflyingRiddell: arounds11:27
Riddellhi freeflying11:28
freeflyingRiddell:  qt-3.3.8 has problems with Chinese character display11:30
freeflyingRiddell: it can handle latin fonts, but chinese fonts can not be used correvttly11:31
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Hobbseeaww, drat, i missed tonio!11:34
Jucatohe'll be back. don't worry :)11:35
Hobbseehehe11:35
Riddellfreeflying: damn11:37
RiddellJucato: ok, try now11:38
Jucatook. trying :)11:38
RiddellJucato: dist-upgrade to new adept; restart adept; fetch updates to run tool11:38
Hobbseeyay, Riddell appears to be on a decent connection today11:39
freeflyingRiddell: I've found some guys complained this on arch and gentoo too11:39
HobbseeRiddell: so that means to try the dist-upgrader again?11:39
RiddellHobbsee: please do11:40
Riddellfreeflying: at last it isn't just me I guess11:40
Riddellfreeflying: if I go to http://www.ubuntu.org.cn/ some of the characters are displayed but a lot are just dots11:41
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freeflyingRiddell: if I set kde to use  a chinese font, it can not display all character, some are dots11:42
JucatoRiddell: am I supposed to see upgradeable packages?11:42
Jucatobecause after running sudo apt-get update, I don't get any... and pressing Fetch Updates in Adept always launches the dialog box to check for new Kubuntu versions11:42
RiddellJucato: should be adept 2.1.1ubuntu3.311:43
HobbseeJucato: you couldnt get the rss feeds to show your entire post, not just a summary, could you?11:43
JucatoHobbsee: I could... but sometimes I write really long... so would that be advisable?11:43
RiddellJucato: what does apt-cache policy adept  show?11:43
Jucato2.1.1ubuntu3.311:44
HobbseeJucato: well, i prefer it, and i suspect those who only use rss feed readers would too.11:44
HobbseeJucato: those who read planet also get used to reading long posts, i suspect11:44
JucatoHobbsee: ok. will change :)11:44
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Jucatoneither do I :)11:44
Jucatosome in Planet KDE (specially those coming from kdedevelopers blog) use summary mode...11:45
RiddellJucato: is that what you have installed?11:45
JucatoRiddell: yes11:45
Hobbseeah yes.  bleeping kde.org news feed does, i remember that much.11:45
Hobbseeso does mozillazine11:46
RiddellJucato: ok, try running it manually11:46
RiddellJucato: sudo -s; cd /tmp/kde-root11:46
Riddellcd adept-abcdextract11:46
Riddellthat abcd is a random string that is used11:46
Riddellpython dist-upgrade.py --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE11:47
freeflyingRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/i158711:47
Jucatowow got lot of those... and it's adept_manager-abcde.tmp-extract it seems11:47
freeflyingRiddell: I use a commercial font(chinese)11:47
RiddellJucato: I need to code something to clean those up later :)11:47
Riddellfreeflying: that's much the same as I see11:47
Riddellfreeflying: what a pain11:47
JucatoRiddell: heh  ok :)11:48
Riddellfreeflying: hmm, I also have the same issue in dapper11:48
freeflyingRiddell: in dapper, if you use zh_CN for fontconfig, it can display chinese quite well11:49
RiddellJucato: does it run?11:50
JucatoRiddell: hm... I have lots of adept_managerfoo.tmp-extract folders in there... and running the python command you gave me, all of them are complaing that they "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE"11:50
RiddellJucato: they're all the same, just pick one11:51
Jucatopython dist-upgrade.py --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE11:51
Jucatonada... strange...11:52
RiddellJucato: rm dist-upgrade.py; wget kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/dist-upgrade.py11:52
RiddellJucato: and run again11:52
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Jucatonew error. going to pastebin11:53
RiddellHobbsee: sudo if you install it, su-to-root should be by default11:53
Hobbseehrm, damn11:53
JucatoRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10000/11:54
Jucatowow! nice number...11:54
RiddellJucato: ok, I need to fix the python-kde3 packages then, will get back to you in a bit11:54
Jucatook no problem. hope I'm not bothering you too much :)11:55
Jucatobut after all, that's what testing it is for right? :D11:55
RiddellJucato: it's very much appreciated, it needs lots of testers11:55
Jucatosure. I have been waiting for this day actually :)11:55
HobbseeRiddell: what would be the ideal solution for something that has to run as root, in both debian and kubuntu then?  kdesu in kubuntu, obviously...11:56
=== Jucato will brb really quick...
=== Hobbsee tries to remember where deakin uni is.
RiddellHobbsee: if it's a kde app X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true in the .desktop file11:58
HobbseeRiddell: for both debian and kubuntu?11:58
HobbseeRiddell: it is a kde app (kvpnc)11:58
Riddellyes12:00
Hobbseeright12:00
Hobbseedebian bug 35996212:01
Hobbseedebian bug 35996212:01
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Tm_T* Ubugtu kicks Hobbsee over the edge of the world12:02
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Hobbseehehe12:02
Hobbseehrm, seems they have reason not to do it that way12:04
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Jucatohm... who works on the presenting Kubuntu slideshow?12:13
Jucatowb Tonio_!12:13
Riddellkwwii12:13
Tonio_re12:13
Jucatoah. wondering if the feisty version is more complete than the edgy one..12:13
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JucatoI was running the slideshow in a booth for Ubuntu/Kubuntu when I was greeted by a large "Insert image here"...12:14
Tonio_someone using knetworkmanager with wpa here ? I've been reported knm doesn't store wpa passwords, while it works with wep...12:16
Tonio_I can't test here since wireless doesn't work on feisty with macbook12:16
Tonio_Riddell: you're using wpa I think right ?12:16
HobbseeTonio_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!12:17
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RiddellTonio_: not I12:17
Tonio_Riddell: okay will ask elsewhere then12:17
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Hobbseeyuriy: which bugs are you working on at the moment?12:18
LureTonio_: I use wpa-psk - no problem. Bug is about wpa-enterprise though...12:21
Tonio_Lure: ah okay12:21
Tonio_Lure: would be interesting to ask this guy to test with the gnome applet12:22
LureTonio_: any plans to update from svn (vpn plugins are now in universe)12:22
Tonio_can be a network-manager general issue12:22
HobbseeTonio_: it stores wpa passwords, at least most of the time.12:22
LureTonio_: no, it is applet specific - n-m does no storing of data12:22
Tonio_Lure: svn stuff is too incomplete to build a package12:22
Lure:-(12:22
Tonio_Lure: I'll try to speed up timo to release a tarball12:23
LureTonio_: yep, you should probaby ping on mailing list12:23
Tonio_Lure: ho I just noticed backlight control works on macbook now with guidance power manager12:23
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Tonio_Lure: any idea how to map the keyboard buttons correctly ?12:24
Tonio_those are f1 and f212:24
LureTonio_: nice, what about laptop keys?12:24
LureWhat are they?12:24
JucatoHobbsee: yes? about to go to dinner. haven't started bug yet,as I'm still on edgy12:24
HobbseeJucato: ahh.  i've found ~14 bugs that need filing upstream, on b.k.o - you interested?12:24
LureTonio_: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes12:24
Tonio_Lure: audio control works12:24
Tonio_Lure: let me check12:24
LureTonio_: add your data there and I can look into it12:25
JucatoHobbsee: I will be, after I fill up my stomach:)12:25
Hobbseeok :)12:25
Tonio_Lure: just keycode is required ? xev is the tol then ;)12:25
LureTonio_: if keycode is not produces, check infor from Sladen and check if lshal produces something12:25
Tonio_Lure: can laptop-buttons handle keyboard backlight or is that too "mac" ? ;)12:25
HobbseeTonio_: did you see https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/90020 ?12:27
UbugtuMalone bug 90020 in kdenetwork "Kopete should not use a patched contact list by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 12:27
Tonio_Hobbsee: looking12:29
Tonio_Lure: is laptop-buttons to manage vernum too ?12:29
HobbseeRiddell: do we *have* to install kwifimanager by default?12:29
Tonio_Hobbsee: it isn't12:29
LureTonio_: vernum?12:30
Tonio_numlock sorry (french inside) ;)12:31
Tonio_Lure: I can give you all the keycodes for macbook pro12:31
LureTonio_: no, but some users reported it ;-)12:31
Tonio_Lure: that would be nice12:31
LureTonio_: ok, great - just put them in I will check tonight12:31
Tonio_Lure: also there is no hardware eject button for the cd12:31
Tonio_Lure: that's a keyboard key12:31
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Tonio_will put it aswell12:32
HobbseeTonio_: oh.  so it isnt.  can we reject all kwifimanager bugs then?  :P12:32
Hobbseeheya kwwii12:32
Tonio_Hobbsee: makes sense to remove kopete theme then, didn't knew about that issue on high configs12:32
kwwiihowdy12:32
Tonio_Hobbsee: we can12:32
Tonio_hey kwwii ;)12:32
kwwiihi Tonio_, Hobbsee12:32
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Tonio_Lure: would you be interested in managing "eject cd" too ?12:35
Tonio_oh! it is sorry12:35
LureTonio_: it should work already - it calls "eject"12:35
Tonio_Lure: yes, just the keycode is required12:35
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LureTonio_: btw, can you confirm bug 8836712:37
UbugtuMalone bug 88367 in digikam "[Feisty]  Digikam is not translated in french" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8836712:37
Tonio_Lure: confirmed12:41
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Tonio_Lure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes filed12:46
Tonio_Lure: in fact everything works except brightness (and sensor)12:49
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RiddellJucato: new python-kde3 up12:56
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Riddellkwwii: how did the new artwork you were talking about come along?01:03
kwwiiRiddell: it didn't...I am exporting pics atm so that we can make a decision01:04
kwwiiRiddell: I ended up working on another variant instead :-)01:04
Riddellsounds exciting01:05
Riddellremember, beta freeze this week01:05
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Riddellnixternal: where are those docs again?01:05
Hobbseewhen people keep calling me, i have to call them back dammit!01:05
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'll probably remove the patch for kopete toonight, can cause trouble...01:07
Tonio_Hobbsee: the important part is the new default theme, not the contact list one01:08
HobbseeTonio_: okay.  it also requires konqueror, so that kfmclient works.01:08
JucatoRiddell: rm dist-upgrade.py and wget the new one again right?01:08
Tonio_Hobbsee: what about kopete and konqueror ?01:09
RiddellJucato: doesn't matter, just run it from adept01:09
JucatoRiddell: ok01:09
Tonio_Riddell: I saw lots of issues with qt-debconf, is that known or should I investogate ?01:10
Tonio_Riddell: conplains when value blabla isn't between 1 and 2001:10
RiddellTonio_: I've heard of that, I've not had a chance to look into it01:10
Tonio_Riddell: I'll investigate on that point once I've done the current todo things01:10
kwwiiok, all...here it goes: http://sinecera.de/kdm_idea[0-6] .png01:13
JucatoRiddell: hm.. same problem... can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE... from Adept or manually...01:13
Tonio_kwwii: I like 5 and 201:14
RiddellJucato: what's the error (using the file I told you to wget)01:14
Tonio_5 is the best for me01:14
apokryphosI really like 0, 3 and 601:14
apokryphos2 is purple-ish.. step-back IMO01:15
JucatoRiddell: I haven't tried wget yet01:15
kwwiihehe, oops, 0 and 3 are the same :-)01:15
apokryphos;-)01:15
Riddellkwwii: 2 or 5 I'd say01:16
apokryphosI think the "kubuntu" text in 5 is a little too stark a contrast to the background01:16
Hobbseekwwii: 5 looks good01:16
kwwiiapokryphos: yeah, true01:16
=== Hobbsee thought 0 and 3 looked mighty similar!
JucatoRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10008/ looks like the same error :(01:16
kwwiibtw. the purple-ish background in the one pic is the colors from edgy, the bg in the other pics is the new stuff01:17
RiddellJucato: what version of python-kde3 do you have installed?01:17
apokryphoskwwii: better to stay consistent; purplish is a step back :P01:17
JucatoRiddell: 3.15.2+20060422-2ubuntu4.201:17
RiddellJucato: humph, maybe there's something wrong with the kdelibs or kdebase in that archive01:18
RiddellJucato: I'll look into it01:18
JucatoRiddell: ok. good luck :)01:18
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apokryphosJucato: right, just good taste too :P01:23
Jucatohaha01:24
Jucato:)01:24
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JucatoHobbsee: does the list of bugs you were referring to involve Feisty?01:26
Tm_T5, there must be contrast.01:30
Tm_T4 is good too, but it's less strong.01:30
sebaskwwii: Green please.01:32
Jucatoheh :)01:32
Tm_TActually I wan't red desktop, cccp/viva la revolution -spirit. :)01:35
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Tm_TJucato: Include pictures of Trotski?01:39
kwwiisebas: yes, sir! I'll get right on that01:41
sebasFinally! I'll get you a green beer then.01:41
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kwwii;-)01:43
HobbseeJucato: i think so.  but they mainly involve filing upstream, and checking if they already exist there01:51
Jucatohm... I guess I can try working on some. at least checking first if they're already filed upstream01:51
Hobbseeyeah, thatd' help01:51
Jucatook.. where can I get the list?01:52
Hobbseelaunchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bugs or something01:52
Hobbseewhatever the URL is01:52
Jucatohm.. 15 bugs... ok I'll look into them01:54
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Riddellhobbsee got a blog!02:18
crimsuns/got/updated/02:18
crimsunshe's had one for several months iirc02:18
Jucatoheh :)02:19
kwwiiRiddell: I've committed my changes...should I push a branch?02:23
Riddellkwwii: yes02:25
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yuriy_morning02:33
Jucatomoin  yuriy_!02:35
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bddebianHeya02:54
Jucatohi bddebian!02:54
bddebianHi Jucato02:54
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kwwiiRiddell: well, it shows up in launchpad with just a simple commit, so no branch necessary I guess?03:07
Riddellkwwii: with bzr you either have a checkout where a commit will upload to the remote repository (much the same as svn), or a branch where it will just commit to your local disk and it still needs pushed to get uploaded to the remote repository03:08
Tm_TWho's our default settings wizard?03:08
Riddellif you have a checkout, then just a commit is all it needs03:08
RiddellTm_T: me, Tonio_, kwwii, whoever03:08
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, I just figured that out :-)03:08
Tm_TRiddell: Roger.03:08
JucatoBug 2693603:09
UbugtuMalone bug 26936 in kopete "unindent keyboard shortcut not working in kate" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2693603:09
Jucatocaused by the Kate shortcut conflicting w/ Kopete's Global Shortcut for Read Message03:10
JucatoTm_T: I'm going to file the bug upstream against Kopete03:10
freeflyingRiddell: any clues on Chinese character display using qt-3.3.8?03:11
Tm_TJucato: Sure, but we can fix it immediately. ;)03:12
Jucatoyeah, but I think we should let upstream know about it too... :)03:12
Tm_TOfcourse.03:12
fdovingJucato: fix it, and attach a patch to your upstream bugreport :)03:12
Tm_THmm, and we must make sure there's no other conflicts when change stuff.03:13
Jucatofdoving: heh :)03:13
Jucatohm... how do we do that... :(03:13
fdovingapt-get install *03:13
fdoving:)03:13
Riddellfreeflying: none at all03:13
JucatoTm_T: no we can't use Ctrl+Shift+R03:13
Tm_TJucato: I assumed so, what's using it?03:14
Jucatoit's mapped to Close Current View in Konqueror03:14
JucatoCtrl+Shift+M seems to be unused though...03:14
fdovingeven if it's used inside konqueror, it can be used elsewhere.03:14
Tm_Thmm, M is far from ctrl and shift.03:14
fdovingthe global hotkeys are a pain.03:15
Jucatoactually it's not just for Konqueror after all03:15
Tm_TJucato: Heh, so we can't conflict with that.03:15
fdovingi mean, you can have ctrl-c copying in all your apps.03:15
Jucatoer wait.. lol my bad...03:15
Tm_T?03:15
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Tm_TI'm going to have something to this backpain. ->03:16
Jucatook so basically we can't use anything that some other app is using, since the Read Message shortcut is a GLobal Shortcut...03:17
JucatoTm_T: Ctrl+I is default for Indent in Kate. I is farther than M from Ctrl :D03:17
LureRiddell: any idea why digikamimageplugins is  not in repo yet (it build around 11:00)03:20
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RiddellLure: 0.9.1 looks there to me http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/d/digikamimageplugins/03:27
LureRiddell: right, it is in universe and I use de. mirror for that ;-)03:28
LureRiddell: this reminded me that I need to write MIR for imageplugins ;-)03:28
Riddellhmm, fridge going ahead of official announcement03:30
Riddellnixternal, imbrandon: it might be nice to edit that story and point out the french are actually using Kubuntu03:31
Riddellfreeflying: it might be worth e-mailing lars@trolltech .com to ask if he knows of any reason it wouldn't display those characters03:35
freeflyingRiddell: if we can not fix it, would you reverse qt to 3.3.7?03:36
Riddellfreeflying: yes, we may have to03:37
freeflyingRiddell: mail sent03:44
Riddellfreeflying: this was all working fine with qt 3.3.7?03:47
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freeflyingRiddell: yes03:47
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superstonedkwwii: love 0 and 6 :d I guess it's a choice between hard and soft.04:04
sebasLure: Ping04:13
Luresebas: pong04:13
sebasLure: In powermanager, in poll() the lidaction to be executed is read directly from the radiobuttons04:14
sebasIs that correct?04:14
sebasline 654-ish04:14
sebasI think it's not, we want to do what's configured, not what we read from the UI.04:14
sebasIt might've been changed, but not yet applied.04:15
sebasI.e. a race-condition04:15
sebas(Didn't try it actually, but looks kinda wrong :-))04:15
Luresebas: probably yes - I think there are other cases though04:15
sebasYeah, this one strikes me.04:15
sebasMy powermanager suspends stating lid is closed when I start it04:15
Luresebas: but this is vliad only for the time config ui is opened, right04:16
Luresebas: when you cancel, it is discarded, right?04:16
sebasI think so04:16
sebasWell, is it, actually?04:16
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LureI think we should be safe to change this to config read: we already do this for critical and idle action04:18
sebasYes, it's only when it's still opened.04:18
sebasYup04:18
sebasI think that's the correct fix, indeed.04:18
sebasconfig write should be OK anyway.04:18
sebasI'll do that.04:18
sebasAnd I'm thinking of moving more HAL reads into powermanage.py, for abstraction and easier testing04:18
sebas            properties = self.powermanager.lidObject.GetAllProperties(dbus_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device")04:19
sebasLike this.04:19
sebasHAL reads are butt-ugly and best hidden, IMO04:19
Luresebas: I am all for that - not having HAL calls in g-p-m.py would be nice04:19
sebasCool04:19
sebasI'll do something about it then04:19
Luresebas: what is the plan regarding release? Should we have official release (0.8?) for feisty?04:20
Tonio_sebas: hey ;)04:20
Tonio_Lure: I notice no numlock keycode required in the laptop button wikipage, is that normal ?04:21
LureTonio_: no, some user added it (it thought it is special laptop key) ;-)04:21
Tonio_Lure: isn't it ?04:21
LureTonio_: every keyboard has NumLock04:22
Tonio_Lure: yes but the keycode is difference on each laptop no ?04:22
LureTonio_: maybe you think about numericy keypad switch key?04:22
Tonio_that's it04:22
LureTonio_: that is different and typically handled in HW04:22
Tonio_okay, not with macbook ;)04:23
LureTonio_: so it does not work?04:23
Tonio_but that's not very important issue, wireless driver one is bigger ;)04:23
Tonio_Lure: nope it doesn't, that's why I asked04:23
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Tonio_I have the keycode for this but it doesn't work, so I wondered if there was an X event for this04:24
Lurenice, it does not work here (/me never tried it ;-))04:24
Tonio_hehe04:25
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sebasTonio_: hey back :-)04:33
Jucatois it technically correct to say that Linspire is going to be based on Kubuntu? shouldn't it be on Ubuntu instead, since Linspire makes their own KDE packages (afaik)?04:34
Tonio_sebas: howdy ?04:34
sebasTonio_: Cool :)04:34
Tonio_sebas: hehe nice :)04:34
sebasHow's you?04:34
Tonio_perfect, just back from vacations and some b*stard broke my car last night.... welcome to france...04:35
Tonio_we really have a problem04:35
kwwiiI'd agree with you on that04:40
sebasLure: What does HAL's SetPowerSave() actually do?04:46
sebasIt has a comment that it's not in Ubuntu's HAL, but then the code looks wrong anyway.04:46
Luresebas: I do not know, you have put it there ;-)04:46
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sebasUhm, I did? :D04:46
sebasAnyway, I'll fix it.04:47
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nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty04:52
sebasLure: Committed.04:53
Riddellsebas: annma has some problems with guidance on #kde-devel04:54
sebasI was thinking if we really want to show current cpu frequency in the default setup, I've added a switch to not show it. More opinions on that are welcome04:54
sebasRiddell: Ah, I'll have a look04:54
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yuriyartwork choices up?05:05
Riddellnixternal: that looks great05:06
Riddellnixternal: it's all topic based and stuff, people will actually have a good chance of finding what they are looking for05:06
Riddellnixternal: what do you think we should do with links from about:konq ?05:07
nixternalRiddell: just remove the release-notes, packaging, and server guides, and create 1 link to help:/kubuntu/sysdocs-index05:08
nixternalI would say go ahead and keep the About Kubuntu link, as that hasn't changed05:09
Riddellnixternal: good plan05:09
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mhbhi all05:20
mhbsebas: around?05:21
sebasmhb: yes05:21
sebasHi =)05:21
mhbsebas: hi05:21
RiddellseaLne: ubuntu-uk are organising a meeting in Glasgow05:23
mhbsebas: about grubconfig: I tried to finish it before the feature freeze, but seeing that it would be relatively useless with the update-grub script around, I decided it is of no use to haste the production and instead do a more object-oriented rewrite05:23
sebasmhb: Ah, do you have some code already?05:23
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mhbsebas: some small portions of it05:23
srednahi05:23
yuriykfn down?05:24
sebasCommit it, so I can join in05:24
srednaisn't there a adobe acrobat package?05:24
sebasmhb: So branch or break and fix? :-)05:24
srednai can't print with kpdf, it is appearently broken05:24
yuriysredna: there's an acroread package. xpdf also works. and that's a #kubuntu question05:25
yuriysredna: btw if it's the page cropping problem, can you try it on feisty?05:25
mhbsebas: I guess breaking it, but the code not being complete kind of interferes with the guidance review, right?05:26
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srednathey send me in here05:26
yuriyoh05:26
srednayuriy: and i can't find a acroread package, maybe because i'm on a 64 bit system?05:26
yuriysredna: probably. and it's in multiverse i think05:27
srednai should have multiverse enabled05:27
Riddellthere won't be acrobat on amd6405:27
srednawhy?05:27
yuriybut xpdf works. that's what i used to work around the problem brefore, but it seems to be working now..05:27
srednathat is a disaster for me05:27
srednakpdf doesn't quite cut it05:27
Riddellabode don't provide a 64 bit version05:27
srednahm05:27
srednatoo bad!05:27
srednathat is the first real argument i've heard against 63bit systems :(05:28
abattoirsredna: you could run it from a chroot, or install the necessary ia32libs(i think)05:29
yuriymanchicken__ should put his blog posts together and fix bug 62611 :)05:29
UbugtuMalone bug 62611 in adept "no help available when pressing F1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6261105:29
abattoirbut yeah, it's a bit of a pain ;)05:29
abattoirhi everyone :)05:29
yuriysredna: i haven't heard any arguments against 63bit systems but i imagine they wouldn't work too well ;)05:30
yuriyoops abattoir^05:30
srednalol05:30
abattoirheh :)05:30
sredna64 <- i *can* type it05:30
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srednalooks like it :-)05:31
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sebasmhb: Ok, can you commit right away then?05:35
mhbsebas: I am kind of stressed with time right now05:36
mhbsebas: could this wait until tomorrow?05:37
sebasmhb: No problem, it can wait for sure05:37
mhbsebas: great05:37
mhbsebas: I'll read your email once more and try to fix the indenting before the commit05:38
sebasCool :-)05:38
sebasWell, thinking about it, commit it in two parts05:38
sebasSo I can see what's changed in the code05:38
mhbsebas: but I think the update-grub script itself deserves some modifications05:38
sebasindenting fixes produce a lot of noise05:38
sebasAh, which?05:38
mhbsebas: well, I've heard about people that are unhappy about the fact that update-grub overwrites their menu.lst file and especially their menu entry names05:39
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mhbsebas: bon appetit05:39
sebasMerci :-)05:39
sebasYeah, I can imagine.05:40
sebasBut I doubt it'll be changed completely.05:40
mhbsebas: at least I want to raise the issue or hear the developers' opinion05:40
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Tonio_re05:46
nixternalRiddell: groovy, just seen the upload :)05:46
nixternalFeisty+1 will be even better05:46
nixternalthere are still some more "advanced" topics I want to get in there05:46
Riddellnixternal: you rock05:46
Riddellnixternal: the about kubuntu stuff could do with being rewritten in feisty+105:47
nixternalyes I know I am a rock :)  thanks Riddell, you rock as well!05:47
Riddellnixternal: for the moment we need to work out what to do for release notes05:47
nixternalRiddell: agreed! will do most definitely05:47
nixternalRiddell: webpage like we did for Edgy05:47
Riddellperfect05:47
nixternalwhat happened with release notes and ubiquity?05:47
Riddellthat's what I'm trying to remember05:47
nixternalthat would be the most perfect spot for release notes05:48
nixternalwhile they are installing a little presentation takes them through the changes05:48
Riddellubiquity slideshow is different05:49
nixternalok, I know someone else tried to clarify that for me before as well, I just didn't want to listen I guess :)05:49
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nixternalis it safe in Feisty to set my alternative qmake to qmake-qt4?06:22
fdovingdepends on what apps you compile.06:23
fdovingqmake-qt4 is for qt4.06:23
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nixternalya06:23
fdovingqmake-qt3 is for qt3.06:23
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dinosaur-rushi06:26
dinosaur-ruswhat's the best (safest) way to disable redundant tty's?06:27
Lathiatwhy on earth would you bother to do that :)06:28
dinosaur-rusI don't need all 6-7 terminals :)06:29
fdovingdinosaur-rus: have a look at /etc/event.d/tty*06:31
sebasmhb: makes sense.06:34
Tm_TMooooooh.06:35
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Tm_TI need extra pc to fiddle around Edubuntu.06:35
fdovingthe mediamanager behaves strange.06:36
dinosaur-rusfdoving: will 'chmod -r' on these files be enough (I still want to be able to revert things when necessary)?06:37
fdovingshould it automount even if i have selected not to, in right-click->properites->mounter 'auto mount'.06:37
fdovingdinosaur-rus: have a look at the contents, it's easy to make it stop on runlevel 2, instead of start, which i belive is what you want.06:38
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fdovinghi lure, are you up2date on the kded medimanager & automounter ?06:40
Lurefdoving: not really, _Sime_knows more about this due to media:/ patches06:41
fdovingok.06:41
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LureRiddell: how does digikam.mo come to language-pack?07:09
LureRiddell: see bug 8836707:09
UbugtuMalone bug 88367 in digikam "[Feisty]  Digikam is not translated in french" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8836707:09
RiddellLure: it should go into rosetta and come out again07:10
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LureRiddell: and how often is this updated? Current version does not contain digikam.mo07:11
LureRiddell: it seems they are stipped out, but not put into language-pack07:12
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RiddellLure: https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/digikam/+translations07:17
dinosaur-rusomg, there're 359 active Linux distributions... :S07:17
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Riddellseems launchpad doesn't know about it07:18
LureRiddell: that may be reason why it is dropped for language-pack07:18
Lurewhom to ping?07:18
RiddellLure: carlos07:18
LureRiddell: in #launchpad?07:18
nixternalLure: I just pinged the entire channel, and whoever answered first was the right person :)07:19
nixternalman, Gentoo is falling apart. they are losing devs left and right this week07:33
Riddellwhy's that?07:34
dinosaur-rusRiddell: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future07:35
dinosaur-rusRiddell: and http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/03/12/1154242.shtml07:35
nixternalya that07:37
nixternalI just finished reading their -dev mailing list. insane the way their devs pretty much hate each other07:37
apokryphosinteresting07:38
dinosaur-rusGentoo has lost its founder, and that always means problems07:38
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nixternalwell Daniel left Gentoo a couple of years ago to work for another distro called Microsoft Windows :)07:39
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nixternalhe recently "tried" to come back and was met with pure hatred which is sad07:39
\shnixternal: sometimes this behaviour is "just normal" in gentoo07:41
nixternaltrue07:42
Lure\sh: did you got your pile of point stick already? ;-)07:49
sebasHehe, yeah, kudos for pissing of a lot of people in one go :-)07:51
dinosaur-rusis it possible to add another wallpapers directory to KDE?07:53
\shlure: my pile of point stick? wtf?07:53
Lure\sh: from Hobbsee ;-)07:53
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nixternalhahahahaha07:54
\shLure: it wasn't meant to be in a negative or s*xual way...I'm just glad to see the beginning of the future :)07:54
nixternal\sh: we know, but we just wanted to give you a hard time, in a non-s*xual way :p07:55
\shthx...I have enough hard times right now in our office...the workload just increased...it's cebit time-07:56
nixternalfun07:57
\shbut..the good thing is: we get new toys...hp dl320s07:57
nixternalooh07:58
nixternal1u?07:58
\sh2u...07:58
nixternalnice07:58
\shbut 12x 500GB or 750GB sata hds07:58
nixternalI am a dl360 fan myself07:58
nixternalholy jeesh, that's a lot of storage07:58
\shna07:58
\shour main machines have 16x 500GB sata hds ;)07:58
\shproblem with dl320s is only a single dual core and max 8gb ram07:59
nixternalwhat are you using them for?07:59
\shstore and forward space for our instant messaging platform07:59
sebasStoring p0rn07:59
nixternalhahaha08:00
\shsomething like this, yeah ,->08:00
nixternalsebas: I was going to say the same thing08:00
sebasThat was an easy one :-)08:00
nixternalya it was, I just wanted to hear the truth from \sh though ;p08:00
nixternalthat and goatse redirects08:00
nixternalanyone an Anthropology major? I need someone to take my midterms tonight08:01
\shnixternal: the next toy will be a dl365 with 4x 300gb sata hds in the dl365...and a msa60 strorage with 12x 500 or 750gb sata hds attached :)08:01
nixternalwell I just bought a new hemp shirt for my Mexican voyage coming up :)08:02
nixternaloh well, off to school I go.08:02
\shand my dream is right now: hp bladecenter with bl465 c-class ...it's a dl365 (amd cpu) in blade format....and a nice san attached :)08:02
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\shoh god...the comments08:11
\shbut good to know, that I was the one who brought our very nice UbuntuWomen founder, Svaksha, to the community...oh well...why do people have always other things in their mind, when a man talks about sexiness. *bangingheadonthedesk*08:21
Riddellif you call something sexy, it's not an unfair assumption that it means sexual08:24
sebasIf you put it in quotes, there *might* be more to it.08:25
sebasI'm getting the impression that most people only react to show how p.c. they are, as a means of self-profiling.08:25
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\shRiddell: so, a "sexy 500 SEL" means that I could be into something very sexual with a car?08:30
Riddellwhatever turns you on :)08:30
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sebasWhat about that libsexy stuff turning up on planet.gnome once in a while?08:30
solemnwarninghttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu says "We need people to program a number of utilities.", what utilities are those?08:31
Riddellthe point is we want to /avoid/ the kind of offputting culture that gave the world liboobs08:31
Riddellsolemnwarning: changes, as people come along and write them :)08:31
kwwiipeople go overboard on sexual things anyway...people like to flip out about it08:34
\shRiddell: problem is, nobody realised that if [I | <put your fav name here>]  ever wanted to be a annoying freaking **xmaniac towards our women here, [I | <put your fav name here>]  would do that in public...for that we have email or IM...but well,08:34
kwwiilook at the ubuntu feisty wallpaper and then read this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-March/109114.html08:35
\shoh god, when the people know how my wallpaper looks like....they will name me a killergame playing, child eating, dog punishing, women annoying SoaB...08:39
Riddellkwwii: do I want to follow the links he gives?08:39
\shlol08:40
Tm_T\sh: Hmm, if you dare, show it to me. ;)08:40
\shthis guy is funny ;)08:40
\shTm_T: you can always visit me here at our office :) have a look yourself..:)08:41
gamemankthat was amusing08:43
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\shTm_T: it shows my GF08:43
kwwiiRiddell: you do if you want to laugh ;-)08:45
\shanyways...I have to go now to my hotel...time to leave the office08:45
\shbbl08:45
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Tm_T\sh_away: Ok, will do in my next around-the-world-tour. :)08:47
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solemnwarningI'm thinking about writing CGI pages that generate config files for various things08:54
solemnwarningDo you think some well designed/written config generator pages would help people use Linux?08:55
Riddellsolemnwarning: what sort of things?08:56
solemnwarningPlanning on starting with dhcpd first08:56
solemnwarningWent through the nightmare of making it play nice with bind on my new home server a few days ago08:57
gamemanksolemnwarning: i don't understand what the pages are supposed to do... how would it be different from configuration modules or (where applicable) webmin?08:58
solemnwarningConfiguration modules?08:58
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gamemanksolemnwarning: as in actual systemsettings dialogs as opposed to cgi pages09:01
solemnwarningAh09:01
solemnwarningThis would be a CGI page on any webserver, so you could use it on machines without an X server09:01
solemnwarningPut in settings, config file comes out09:02
mhbkwwii: nice inspiration :o)09:02
Riddellkwwii: ug, I really didn't want to09:03
kwwiimhb: thanks :-)09:04
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LureRiddell: for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess , we need to add package to some seed - since there is no space in desktop, can we put it somewhere else?09:36
RiddellLure: supported09:41
LureRiddell: ok, will write report first then and ping you to review09:41
puslingRiddell: you fallen off oftc again.09:41
Lurepusling: he was probably kick-banned as he did not behave ;-)09:42
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puslingLure: I guess not ;)09:43
xerosiswhy would the -386 kernel give me the old usplash and the -generic, the new?09:44
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lontraif i just want to test kde4 packages, i only need to install kde4base right and not kde4base-devel?10:32
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crimsuncongrats!10:36
yuriycongratulations Lure10:37
Lurecrimsun, yuriy: thanks!10:40
mhbcongratulations Luka10:43
LureRiddell, Tonio_, allee: can you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportDigikamImagePlugins10:43
yuriyi don't really have a way to check, this functionality is still not there right: bug 7571310:45
UbugtuMalone bug 75713 in adept "does not check diskspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7571310:45
mhbhmm, is there going to be any collaboration between the kubuntu developers and the Linspire folks?10:45
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yuriywas the fix to bug 80618 released?10:56
UbugtuMalone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8061810:56
Tonio_Lure: eating, will do after that10:57
LureTonio_: take your time ;-)10:57
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xerosiswill democracy player be fixed by release?11:01
alleeLure: MIR looks fine11:04
Lureallee: thanks, Riddell can put it on supported seed, and then we are ready for review11:05
alleeLure: k11:05
alleeLure: you know why digikam 0.9.1 is still not in feisty?11:06
Lureallee: it is11:06
Lureallee: de. mirror is lagging ;-)11:06
alleeLure: ahhhh11:06
alleethx11:06
Lureallee: it just got built today after couple of given-backs ;-)11:06
alleeLure: I wanted to check that translation are not stripped from showfoto ;)11:06
Lureallee: no translations still - it looks like Rosetta is not properly done11:07
Lureallee: no digikam.mo files in language-pack*11:07
alleeLure: showfoto is universe.  So no striping, right?11:07
Lureallee: not really, as source (digikam) is in main, but would need to check with Riddell11:08
Lureallee: it makes sense to add showfoto also to main (supported seed) in order to reduce confusion11:08
LureRiddell: ^^^11:09
=== allee waits unti de mirror catches up. To see the status quo
alleeLure: I wonder why this strange feature, same source. but some generated pkgs in main, some in universe, is there at all.11:14
Lureallee: me too ;-), it does not make a lot of sense at all11:15
Lureallee, Riddell: carlos took over bug 8836711:23
UbugtuMalone bug 88367 in rosetta "Digikam is not translatable in Rosetta" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8836711:23
alleeLure: great.  mhhm, doesn't it imply that 'our' unofficial pkgs have to Replace language-* for edgy and feisty in the future?11:25
Lureallee: no, your packages are not stripped of .mo files, so we should be fine11:25
Lureallee: only official packages are stripped and moved to language-pack11:26
alleeLure: right, but this mean the pkgs contain files that are in the lang-pack pkgs11:26
Lureallee, yep that might be an issue :-(11:26
Lureallee: I am not sure we want to ship language-pack in your repo11:28
alleeLure: mhm, lang-pack should contain same translations as upstream source (+roseta trans).  So removing translation from the unofficial pkgs, seem to be the way to go.11:29
Lureallee: it looks they ship in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/ while original is in /usr/share/locale/ka/LC_MESSAGES/11:29
Lureallee: so at least there will not be conflict, but not sure what will be picked up11:29
Lureallee: stripping is not solution for new upstream version due to new messages11:30
alleeLure: right.  heh, backporting get's more and more fun ;)11:30
fdovinghmm... don't we support shownig unmounted removable device icons on the desktop?11:35
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fdovingsupport/allow without hacking.11:36
yuriyfdoving: don't think so :-\11:37
yuriyat least not in feisty11:37
fdovingyuriy: i've hacked my mediamanager to not mount when i select to do nothing in the popup.11:37
yuriyor more specifically, i don't think we support not mounting devices when you plug them in..11:37
alleefdoving: good!11:37
yuriyoh11:37
fdovingbut now i have to mount them manually via the commandline.11:37
alleefdoving: or goto media:/11:38
alleefdoving: but media:/  is hard to find if one does not know about it :(11:38
fdoving'right-click-on-desktop -> behavior -> device icons' doesn't list 'unmounted removable device'.11:38
fdovingallee, can't even find that device there.11:39
fdovingmy other usb disk is listed in media:/ it's unmounted too.11:39
fdovingoh.. now it's there.11:40
alleefdoving: yeah, but there you can mount/savely remove11:40
fdovingallee, yep. but if you safely remove an unmounted device, it disappeasrs from media:/11:40
fdovingis that sane?11:40
alleefdoving: that's what savely remove is all about ;)11:41
fdovingthen i want an unmount option.11:41
yuriyseems we're trying to hide the existence of "unmounted" from the user11:41
yuriy*yuck*11:41
fdovingi kinda expect 'do nothing' to do nothing.11:41
alleefdoving: once I was told that some USB devices, shut themself down in this case too :(11:42
yuriyfdoving: but someone coming from windows expects 'do nothing' to mount11:42
fdovingyuriy: if we ever want to be better than windows we can't do just like them.11:42
tomahear, hear!11:43
alleefdoving: with KDE3 media support we can't bet windoof11:43
fdovingallee: ok, then it's expected behavior for safely remove. i've always thogugth it was just umount with a nice name.11:43
fdovingthere is also an obsolete option, if the current feisty behavior is what we want.11:44
yuriywhat's that?11:44
fdovingrightclick on removable device -> properties -> mounting -> mount automatically11:45
fdovingif that is checked i expect the device to be automounted on insert.11:45
fdovingit would be OK to leave it checked by default, but unchecking should be possible.11:46
fdoving.. it is possible, it just doesn't do what you expect.11:46
fdovingif you check 'mount automatically' the device is mounted instantly on insert.11:47
alleethat what I would expect from 'mount automaticly' ;)11:47
fdovingif you don't, it's mounted once you close/choose to 'do nothing', in the media notifier.11:47
fdovingit's always mounted, it's just delayed.11:48
alleefdoving: ah, right.  that's a known bug/feature.11:48
fdovingi have fixed that.11:48
fdovingthat's the easy part.11:48
fdovingbut now i have to go to media:/ to find my device and mount it.11:48
fdovingit's not in /media11:48
alleefdoving: when 'do nothing' gets fixed, we need also to provide an obvious way to access unmounted devices (meda:/ is expert knowledge in kubuntu ;)11:48
fdovingand it's not on the desktop.11:48
fdovingallee, exactly.11:49
fdoving'do nothing' fix is a oneliner.11:49
alleefdoving: yes, only in media:/.  and that we tried to hide11:49
fdovingi added '//' :)11:49
fdovingallee, it would help if we easily could show it on the desktop, like when it's mounted.11:50
alleefdoving: is this more obvious than media:/ ?11:50
fdovingi don't know what the initial plan was.11:51
fdovingthere must be some preferred way to access removable devices?11:51
fdovingif it's from the mounted-removable-device icon on your desktop, it wouldn't hurt to have it there, just in a unmounted state, if you choose 'do nothing' ?11:52
fdovingthen mount it on demand.11:52
fdovingand remove it completely(desktop, /media and media:/) on 'safely remove'.11:52
alleefdoving: question comes down to:  why should a user want it to be in unmounted state instead of automounted in do-nothing case.11:53
fdovingallee, let's say you have an removable device with 5 partitions. then you get 5 popups asking what to do.11:54
fdovingif you're only interessted in 1 of them.11:54
fdovingit's nice to be able to "do nothing by default" on the 4 others.11:54
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fdovingor let's say you want to partition your device, then you need to umount it manually if its automounted, if you safely remove, it can be shutdown,so that's not a safe option. media:/ works.11:55
alleefdoving: right11:56
lontrais strigi capable of searching audio files in feisty?  also the strigi-applet doesn't seem to really work11:58
fdovingautomount by default probably makes sense. i just want to be able to disable it.11:58
alleeTonio_, _Sime_ : ^^ one of media problem mentioned again by fdoving.  Is there anywhere a status/bu/plan page for feisty?  I remember we talked on in kubuntu meeting about it12:02
fdovingnite guys.12:06
fdovingallee, i'll try to hack something i like.. can't be that hard to allow that icon on the desktop.12:06
fdovingbye.12:06
alleefdoving: bye12:06
lontrahttp://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/strigi_0.3.11-1ubuntu1/  <- will this make it into feisty?12:09

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