[03:01] <lexhider>  I have a Q. If I remove kubuntu-default-settings package, do I then have vanilla kde settings as in debian?
[04:20] <manchicken_> Riddell: ping
[04:51] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[04:52] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato - seen planet?
[04:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: about your 2 posts? :D
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no.  read after :P
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: read steven herman's post, the comments, and daniel stone's post a couple above that
[04:55] <Jucato> aaah
[04:55] <Jucato> ok...
[04:55] <Hobbsee> that's why it's a bit quiet in -motu, i think
[05:01] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i read -planet a little bit ago :-\
[05:01] <Jucato> I didn't really know it would have created a ruckus :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:02] <Hobbsee> neither did i
[05:04] <Jucato> heh how do you feeel about being referred to as a sexy lady from AU? :D
[05:04] <Hobbsee> well...
[05:04] <Jucato> :D
[05:04] <Hobbsee> if he's doing it sincerely, then it's a compliment, and i'll take it as such.
[05:04] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee and Jucato!
[05:05] <Hobbsee> however, i'd hate for my sexiness, however much that may be, to be the focus of people's perception of me
[05:05] <Jucato> hiya nixternal! :)
[05:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: You missed my comment earlier about that :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: argh!  i didnt keep long pointy stick in there!
[05:05] <nixternal> [ nixternal]  \sh_away: you sexy beast :) nice blog post there ;p
[05:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: now you're in seele's shoes when she was featured in dot.kde.org :D
[05:05] <nixternal> ;)
[05:05] <nixternal> hehe
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you think i havent seen this before?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha
[05:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: all your secret admirers online?
[05:06] <nixternal> damn, I hadn't noticed Daniel's post Hobbsee until you said something
[05:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: was meaning in person too.
[05:06] <ajmitch> ah yes
[05:06] <Jucato> secret admirers? where can I sign up? :D
[05:06] <nixternal> Jucato: then it won't be secret silly
[05:07] <ajmitch> heh
[05:07] <Jucato> bah :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> wasn't me
[05:07] <nixternal> Hobbsee: haha, I got one this year, and being the ass I am, did a return to sender
[05:07] <nixternal> My x-wife got mad at me, so I know where it came from now ;p
[05:07] <yuriy> hmm isn't the idea of a secret admirer sending presents to not be a secret admirer anymore shortly after
[05:08] <nixternal> yuriy: yes, but 99.9% of the time it goes from secret admirer to some scary ass stalker (hi Jucato)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:08] <nixternal> ;p
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you would have thoguht that, yes...
[05:08] <nixternal> gahahaha
[05:08] <ajmitch> ie, never
[05:08] <nixternal> nice try to cover that one up
[05:08] <nixternal> to late though, it is logged
[05:08] <ajmitch> heh
[05:09] <ajmitch> at least Hobbsee knows I'm normal enough
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:09] <ajmitch> whatever 'normal' means around here
[05:09] <Hobbsee> with your exe
[05:09] <ajmitch> :P
[05:09] <Hobbsee> (axe in all normal languages)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:09] <nixternal> heh, I was getting ready to say, exe, like MS exe
[05:10] <yuriy> it's kind of like an axe..
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:12] <nixternal> Hobbsee: it is cool. My x is a LinuxChix in DC
[05:12] <ajmitch> might be wise for me to avoid sydney :)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why so?
[05:13] <ajmitch> too many scary people there
[05:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it is.  but i'm actually not really afilliated with them :P
[05:13] <yuriy> ajmitch: with pointy sticks of doom?
[05:13] <ajmitch> yuriy: she's harmless
[05:13] <yuriy> Book VI: Mostly Harmless
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you thought that...
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yuriy: *grin*
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you beat me to it
[05:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I know it's true
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mind you, that's usually when someone puts me in a headlock first...
[05:14] <ajmitch> I'm not that stupid
[05:14] <Hobbsee> oh good
[05:20] <yuriy> would be nice if somebody on planet would blog about kubuntu bugs week (ack it's monday already even here)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yuriy: indeed.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you a member yet?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yuriy: make Jucato do it :P
[05:46] <yuriy> Hobbsee: not quite yet : )
[05:46] <yuriy> Jucato: ^^
[05:47] <Hobbsee> yuriy: darn.
[05:49] <yuriy> of course i did blog about it myself, but i'm talking to a wall
[05:49] <Hobbsee> yuriy: true that :(
[05:49] <Hobbsee> yuriy: one of us could link to you
[05:50] <yuriy> well, it's at gamemank.wodpress.com
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: blog first, it'll take planet a bit to resync
[06:02] <Jucato> yuriy: know anything about a "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE" error?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'd wait for Riddell over that one
[06:02] <yuriy> in what?
[06:02] <yuriy> and no
[06:02] <Jucato> Hobbsee: haven't added my blog yet... I need SSH keys and stuff...
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wont take you that long to do
[06:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ssh-keygen -t dsa right?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[06:04] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: first link.  i dont remember offhand sorry
[06:04] <Hobbsee> was so long ago that i did it
[06:05] <Jucato> heh ok... I made one earlier.. but since I know squat about SSH and GPG...
[06:07] <Hobbsee> it makes slightly mroe sense after you do it.  but mostly not
[06:08] <Jucato> hehe
[06:10] <yuriy> i still need to make a gpg key too
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not sure about which bit?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> yuriy: generate it now, if you want
[06:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the last part ends in "jucato@kubuntu"
[06:14] <Jucato> not sure where it got that part from... my GPG has jucato@kubuntu.org
[06:15] <Hobbsee> yuriy: go back to it :P
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the last part of which?
[06:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: last part of my id_dsa.pub key
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah yeah, that's normal
[06:17] <Jucato> ah so it's normal for it not to be "jucato@kubuntu@org"?
[06:17] <Jucato> ah lol! it was taking it from my hostname
[06:17] <Hobbsee> yep, i was suspecting as much, seeing as mine's sarah@sarah
[06:17] <Jucato> hehe
[06:17] <Hobbsee> seeing as you can change the addresses on your public key
[06:17] <Jucato> so if I change hostnames... I should regenerate that key?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> er, gpg
[06:17] <Hobbsee> no
[06:18] <Hobbsee> you dont need to
[06:18] <Hobbsee> as long as you keep the private key
[06:19] <Jucato> oh ok
[06:22] <Jucato> now to install bzr and paramiko :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[06:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:23] <Jucato> yep
[06:23] <Jucato> there already :)
[06:41] <mhb> morning everyone
[06:41] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[06:42] <Jucato> hi mhb
[06:42] <mhb> morning Hobbsee, seems you've gotten popular recently :o)
[06:42] <Jucato> oops.. the hackergotchi required for Planet needs to be smaller than the oe on LP..
[06:42] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed!
[06:44] <Hobbsee> right, hackergotchi added to LP too
[06:44] <Jucato> hehe :)
[06:51] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm nervous... about to send the bzr commit -m command... what's the -m for btw?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: -m "your message here"
[06:51] <Jucato> ah...
[06:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: trying to invite more stalkers? :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no.  nto really.  i have a creepy enough boss at my work.  as long as i can avoid him, i should be OK
[06:52] <ajmitch> heh
[06:52] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, he's the top boss (store manager)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> so i think i might be moving jobs soon :P
[06:52] <ajmitch> ah, that's unfortunate
[06:52] <ajmitch> probably a wise idea
[06:52] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:52] <ajmitch> hah
[06:53] <ajmitch> Jucato: like that black unmarked van sitting on the road?
[06:53] <Jucato> dang!! it's that conspicuous?
[06:53] <ajmitch> afraid so
[06:53] <Jucato> hm...
[06:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:54] <Jucato> btw.. once I add myself to the planet, will it flood the planet w/ my previous posts? :/
[06:54] <ajmitch> we'll find out soon :)
[06:55] <Jucato> yikes...
[06:55] <ajmitch> is your blog full of bad poetry & various other things?
[06:55] <Jucato> er...
[06:55] <Jucato> it is...
[06:55] <Jucato> O.o
[06:55] <ajmitch> wonderful
[06:56] <Jucato> there! Committed revision 162.
[06:56] <Jucato> now to wait for hours...
[06:57] <Jucato> "Please note that Planet runs from cron, and it relies on the work of some periodic events on the Launchpad server. Your changes could take up to two hours to take effect."
[06:58] <ajmitch> useful
[06:59] <ajmitch> not really worth it
[06:59] <Jucato> :D
[06:59] <Jucato> planetmania :)
[07:06] <Jucato> eek! it's up already?
[07:06] <Jucato> ah not yet :D
[07:07] <ajmitch> nope, but I know the url :)
[07:07] <Jucato> hahah :)
[07:21] <yuriy> freeflying: why reject 53543?
[07:22] <freeflying> yuriy: do you think that issue is a bug?
[07:22] <yuriy> referring to a nonexistent key is a bug, no? even if minor.  and anyways an explanation comment would be nice
[07:23] <yuriy> like there's probably no good way to fix that..
[07:25] <freeflying> yuriy: I don't know why can't he copy/paste in knsole? he can use F11 and F12 as middle and right click
[07:26] <yuriy> but the keyboard shortcut is shift+insert
[07:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee, yuriy: http://jucato.org/blog/stomping-on-bugs-for-the-fawn/
[07:27] <yuriy> nice Jucato
[07:28] <Jucato> yuriy: just waiting for my blog to be added...
[07:28] <yuriy> whoa planet has fancy shadows and stuff in konqueror
[07:28] <yuriy> not just that, it looks completely different than in opera
[07:29] <Jucato> lol Hobbsee! sorry if I made you quit :)
[07:29] <Jucato> yuriy: haven't seen it in opera...
[07:29] <ajmitch> the shame
[07:30] <ajmitch> I can't believe there were classes on using checkinstall
[07:30] <Jucato> lol
[07:30] <Jucato> yeah
[07:30] <Jucato> it was only then that I found out how checkinstall wasn't that recommended
[07:30] <ajmitch> I trust that Hobbsee has educated you since then?
[07:31] <Jucato> yes :)
[07:31] <ajmitch> good
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:31] <Jucato> unfortunately, I still don't know how to package properly lol
[07:31] <Hobbsee> damn, computer froze
[07:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee will teach you :)
[07:31] <Jucato> yeah, but I think I'll bother her after the release
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:31] <Hobbsee> will i now?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> you're a mentor, ajmitch
[07:31] <ajmitch> I am? :)
[07:32] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:32] <ajmitch> couud have fooled me
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: besidse, you're a core dev, so you're better than me.
[07:32] <Jucato> haha! I'll be in -motu soon too
[07:32] <ajmitch> hah
[07:32] <ajmitch> you will? :)
[07:32] <Hobbsee> packaging wise
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:32] <Jucato> yes... another room to lurk in :)
[07:32] <Hobbsee> you dont need to be a MOTU to lurk in there
[07:32] <ajmitch> Jucato: oh, I thought you mean you'd be a motu soon :)
[07:32] <Jucato> ajmitch: that's the plan bwahaha
[07:33] <Jucato> j/k
[07:33] <ajmitch> first you need to pay the appropriate bribes
[07:33] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:33] <Hobbsee> to the "sexy lady from australia likes money foundation"
[07:33] <Jucato> hahaha!
[07:33] <Hobbsee> of course ;P
[07:33] <ajmitch> no, to the "MOTU Council Appreciation Fund"
[07:34] <Hobbsee> but isnt that a direct forward to the aforementioned foundation?
[07:34] <ajmitch> nope
[07:34] <Hobbsee> awww
[07:34] <Jucato> lol
[07:34] <ajmitch> Jucato: since it'll probably be expensive for you to ship stuff to europe, just send it to NZ & I'll "distribute" it to the rest of the MC, OK?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:35] <Jucato> lol :)
[07:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hm.. Steve = Stephan Hermann right?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[07:35] <Jucato> ah ok
[07:35] <Hobbsee> er, i should probably change that
[07:35] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:36] <ajmitch> no, we have enough of them
[07:36] <Hobbsee> ehhe
[07:36] <Jucato> hehe
[07:36] <Hobbsee> done
[07:36] <ajmitch> I'm sure Jucato will be more than ready for a decent interrogation :)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:37] <Jucato> hehe glad that it's still going to be in a distant future :)
[07:38] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[07:38] <Hobbsee> working on them now?
[07:38] <ajmitch> I hope so..
[07:38] <Jucato> nope :)
[07:38] <Jucato> last time I tried reading the Packaging Guide...
[07:39] <Jucato> let's just say that I had to go to bed earlier that day :D
[07:39] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:39] <ajmitch> "Why can libc6 not be Essential: yes"?
[07:39] <Jucato> O.o
[07:43] <Jucato> uh oh... why didn't my hackergotchi show up?
[07:44] <ajmitch> Jucato: you didn't add it?
[07:44] <Jucato> I did
[07:45] <ajmitch> your commit didn't have it
[07:45] <ajmitch> did you bzr add jucato.png ?
[07:45] <Jucato> ha!
[07:45] <Jucato> dang! :P
[07:46] <yuriy> Jucato: could you do me a favor and put my last name in since you mentioned me? (congratulations your first planet post starts off with my name :P)
[07:46] <Jucato> yuriy: heh ok :)
[07:47] <Jucato> ajmitch: I have to run bzr commit -m again right?
[07:47] <ajmitch> yes
[07:48] <Jucato> ajmitch: where did you see my commit btw? :D
[07:51] <ajmitch> bzr log
[07:51] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I had to comment on that post :)
[07:52] <ajmitch> nixternal: I'm not that brave
[07:52] <nixternal> my post was at least pg, maybe pg13
[07:52] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:52] <nixternal> should create a post that asks A/S/L ! :)
[07:53] <ajmitch> you're both brave & stupid then :)
[07:53] <Jucato> lol
[07:54] <nixternal> haha
[08:03] <nixternal> haha, Seveas has a super funny blog post
[08:04] <Jucato> yeah :)
[08:05] <Jucato> and a super funny pic linked to it :)
[08:14] <nixternal> gahaha
[08:14] <nixternal> I didn't even see that
[08:14] <nixternal> oh well
[08:14] <nixternal> g'nite all
[08:14] <Jucato> night nixternal!
[09:07] <tonio_> hi
[09:22] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[09:23] <Tonio_> Lure: hey :)
[09:23] <Lure> Tonio_: do you know what is the state of k3b 1.0rc6 packaging?
[09:24] <Lure> Tonio_: that is never good :-(
[09:24] <Tonio_> this night....
[09:24] <Tonio_> Lure: dunno concerning k3b
[09:50] <Jucato> Lure: added my blog :)
[09:50] <Jucato> thanks for the howto page, btw :)
[09:51] <Lure> Jucato: great - good to have more Kubuntu blogs on planet
[09:51] <Jucato> yeah. hope I can fill the planet w/ Kubuntu love :D
[09:52] <Jucato> (it also helps that we have that sexy lady from AU w/ a LongPointyStick :D )
[09:53] <Lure> Jucato: lol
[09:57] <Tonio_> argh.............. 600 euros to get my car repaired...........
[09:59] <Lure> Tonio_: french car? I know the feeling.. ;-)
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: english car
[09:59] <Tonio_> rover
[09:59] <Lure> Tonio_: oh, that is even worse ;-)
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure: yes :(
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is that it has been manually broken
[10:00] <Tonio_> not car accident
[10:00] <Tonio_> is "retrovisor" correct ?
[10:00] <Tonio_> if yes, it looks like someone broke it just for fun.....
[10:02] <Tonio_> that's very common in france
[10:02] <Tonio_> which drives me nuts
[10:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: howdy ?
[10:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm back in the work
[10:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: *grin*
[10:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: !!
[10:49] <Tonio_> crimsun: concerning bug 87253, I've noticed that with the current kernel patch, one just need to unmute the line in to get sound from the speakers
[10:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87253 in alsa-driver "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87253
[10:50] <Tonio_> crimsun: I'll wait for the new kernel to be out to test the proposed patch and give you feedback, probably in a few days
[10:50] <Tonio_> crimsun: looks like the second patch is just to make speakers and headphones independantly configurable
[11:00] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey long time no see :D
[11:01] <_StefanS_> Jucatooooooo
[11:01] <Jucato> :)
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I think i know how to handle that kdesu thing (when i eventually get around to it)..
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm just going to use a static screenshot
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Jucato: and fade it
[11:02] <Jucato> _StefanS_: great! once Riddell gets back, I'll probably be able to get around my distupgrade tool problem and finally join the ranks of the feisty :D
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Jucato: please do, it works great .. have been on since herd2 and havent really had any major probs
[11:03] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I've only been holding back on upgrading because I want to help test the dist-upgrade tool
[11:04] <Jucato> judging from the experiences of people who have accidentally included the edgy-proposed repos in their sources.list, it sort of doesn't work now...
[11:04] <Jucato> so I'm waiting (since Saturday evening) for Riddell :)
[11:05] <_StefanS_> oh
[11:05] <_StefanS_> I will probably just reinstall anyways when it goes final
[11:05] <_StefanS_> too much screwing around on my current installation :)
[11:05] <Jucato> heh. I'm hoping that I will not reinstall this time...
[11:05] <Jucato> just to help dispell the myth :)
[11:05] <_StefanS_> ah yep..
[11:06] <Jucato> but ever since Breezy, I've always had dist-upgrade problems and ended up reinstalling anyways..
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: there was some changes to upstart here in the last updates, so I'm kinda interested to see if it changed things
[11:06] <Jucato> ooh upstart :)
[11:06] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes I was on vacations
[11:06] <Tonio_> now I'm back in the work
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: multiple vacations ?? :)
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just kidding
[11:07] <Jucato> heh hi Tonio_! are you available for 2 quick questions? :)
[11:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: sure
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just a 2 weeks break
[11:07] <Tonio_> :)
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ow, went somewhere warm ?
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: back in family on ly
[11:08] <Tonio_> only
[11:08] <Riddell> Jucato: what's up?
[11:08] <Jucato> Tonio_: first is the Flash installer script in Konqueror. it installs in $HOME right? so APT doesn't know about it? what if an update to flash is available? how will users be notified? I think that was a problem in Edgy (Flash 7 to 9)
[11:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: they won't, if they want too, they have to install the package
[11:09] <Jucato> and if they install the package? there will be no conflicts between the one in $HOME and the one installed by apt?
[11:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: no conflict, the most recent file is used
[11:09] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[11:10] <Jucato> Tonio_: 2nd question, since you're the one fixing the kcm stuff :)
[11:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes
[11:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: work?  as in job?
[11:12] <Jucato> it's about kommando. in the latest version, installing Kommando adds a control module in KControl -> Desktop. just wanted to check if it gets added to system settings as well. (in case someone installs it on feisty... but what are the chances of that?)
[11:12] <Jucato> hi Riddell! :)
[11:12] <Riddell> hola
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: work for ubuntu ;)
[11:14] <Riddell> ah
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: no job atm, unfortunatelly.... my city isn't that nice for sysadmins.... I refused 3 jobs last month
[11:14] <Tonio_> companies wanted me because of my ubuntu work, but was too far for me...
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: will fix install-mp3 today, once I get the "pipe" key working on my macbook :)
[11:15] <Riddell> talking of france, there's due to be an announcement from the assemblee nationale today
[11:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: ryan changed it, but it needs testing
[11:15] <Jucato> Riddell: if you're a bit free (or later?), could I bother you with a distupgrade tool problem?
[11:15] <Riddell> Jucato: please do
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: will test then
[11:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'll patch kommando then
[11:16] <Jucato> Riddell: basically "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE". This is the only output I get
[11:16] <Jucato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9998/
[11:16] <Riddell> Jucato: normal edgy KDE or 3.5.6?
[11:18] <Jucato> Tonio_: ah kool. I use it that's why I was curious hehe :)
[11:18] <Jucato> Riddell: I added the repo for users on KDE 3.5.6 that you have on the KubuntuDistUpgrade page
[11:18] <Jucato> Riddell: 3.5.6
[11:18] <Jucato> I added this repo: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/ ./
[11:18] <Riddell> ah, the 3.5.6 one may be out of date, there's some changes I made to edgy-proposed that havn't been in 3.5.6
[11:18] <Jucato> aah
[11:18] <Jucato> :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: will do that today, probably evening.... restarting X now
[11:19] <Riddell> Jucato: give me a few hours and I'll update that and we'll see if we can get you fixed
[11:19] <Jucato> Riddell: sure no problem. I was able to wait for 2 days :D
[11:19] <Jucato> I just want to be able to help in the bug week :)
[11:20] <Jucato> btw, for some unexplicable reason, some users have edgy-proposed in their sources.list. I haven't been able to trace where they got it... so naturally, they've been bothered by the dist-upgrade tool :D
[11:21] <fdoving> i've noticed that too,
[11:22] <Jucato> kinda hard to help fix those... luckily their sources still remain "edgy"
[11:27] <freeflying> Riddell: arounds
[11:28] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[11:30] <freeflying> Riddell:  qt-3.3.8 has problems with Chinese character display
[11:31] <freeflying> Riddell: it can handle latin fonts, but chinese fonts can not be used correvttly
[11:34] <Hobbsee> aww, drat, i missed tonio!
[11:35] <Jucato> he'll be back. don't worry :)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:37] <Riddell> freeflying: damn
[11:38] <Riddell> Jucato: ok, try now
[11:38] <Jucato> ok. trying :)
[11:38] <Riddell> Jucato: dist-upgrade to new adept; restart adept; fetch updates to run tool
[11:39] <Hobbsee> yay, Riddell appears to be on a decent connection today
[11:39] <freeflying> Riddell: I've found some guys complained this on arch and gentoo too
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so that means to try the dist-upgrader again?
[11:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: please do
[11:40] <Riddell> freeflying: at last it isn't just me I guess
[11:41] <Riddell> freeflying: if I go to http://www.ubuntu.org.cn/ some of the characters are displayed but a lot are just dots
[11:42] <freeflying> Riddell: if I set kde to use  a chinese font, it can not display all character, some are dots
[11:42] <Jucato> Riddell: am I supposed to see upgradeable packages?
[11:42] <Jucato> because after running sudo apt-get update, I don't get any... and pressing Fetch Updates in Adept always launches the dialog box to check for new Kubuntu versions
[11:43] <Riddell> Jucato: should be adept 2.1.1ubuntu3.3
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you couldnt get the rss feeds to show your entire post, not just a summary, could you?
[11:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I could... but sometimes I write really long... so would that be advisable?
[11:43] <Riddell> Jucato: what does apt-cache policy adept  show?
[11:44] <Jucato> 2.1.1ubuntu3.3
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, i prefer it, and i suspect those who only use rss feed readers would too.
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: those who read planet also get used to reading long posts, i suspect
[11:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok. will change :)
[11:44] <Jucato> neither do I :)
[11:45] <Jucato> some in Planet KDE (specially those coming from kdedevelopers blog) use summary mode...
[11:45] <Riddell> Jucato: is that what you have installed?
[11:45] <Jucato> Riddell: yes
[11:45] <Hobbsee> ah yes.  bleeping kde.org news feed does, i remember that much.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> so does mozillazine
[11:46] <Riddell> Jucato: ok, try running it manually
[11:46] <Riddell> Jucato: sudo -s; cd /tmp/kde-root
[11:46] <Riddell> cd adept-abcdextract
[11:46] <Riddell> that abcd is a random string that is used
[11:47] <Riddell> python dist-upgrade.py --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE
[11:47] <freeflying> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/i1587
[11:47] <Jucato> wow got lot of those... and it's adept_manager-abcde.tmp-extract it seems
[11:47] <freeflying> Riddell: I use a commercial font(chinese)
[11:47] <Riddell> Jucato: I need to code something to clean those up later :)
[11:47] <Riddell> freeflying: that's much the same as I see
[11:47] <Riddell> freeflying: what a pain
[11:48] <Jucato> Riddell: heh  ok :)
[11:48] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, I also have the same issue in dapper
[11:49] <freeflying> Riddell: in dapper, if you use zh_CN for fontconfig, it can display chinese quite well
[11:50] <Riddell> Jucato: does it run?
[11:50] <Jucato> Riddell: hm... I have lots of adept_managerfoo.tmp-extract folders in there... and running the python command you gave me, all of them are complaing that they "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE"
[11:51] <Riddell> Jucato: they're all the same, just pick one
[11:51] <Jucato> python dist-upgrade.py --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE
[11:52] <Jucato> nada... strange...
[11:52] <Riddell> Jucato: rm dist-upgrade.py; wget kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/dist-upgrade.py
[11:52] <Riddell> Jucato: and run again
[11:53] <Jucato> new error. going to pastebin
[11:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sudo if you install it, su-to-root should be by default
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hrm, damn
[11:54] <Jucato> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10000/
[11:54] <Jucato> wow! nice number...
[11:54] <Riddell> Jucato: ok, I need to fix the python-kde3 packages then, will get back to you in a bit
[11:55] <Jucato> ok no problem. hope I'm not bothering you too much :)
[11:55] <Jucato> but after all, that's what testing it is for right? :D
[11:55] <Riddell> Jucato: it's very much appreciated, it needs lots of testers
[11:55] <Jucato> sure. I have been waiting for this day actually :)
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would be the ideal solution for something that has to run as root, in both debian and kubuntu then?  kdesu in kubuntu, obviously...
[11:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if it's a kde app X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true in the .desktop file
[11:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for both debian and kubuntu?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it is a kde app (kvpnc)
[12:00] <Riddell> yes
[12:00] <Hobbsee> right
[12:01] <Hobbsee> debian bug 359962
[12:01] <Hobbsee> debian bug 359962
[12:02] <Tm_T> * Ubugtu kicks Hobbsee over the edge of the world
[12:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:04] <Hobbsee> hrm, seems they have reason not to do it that way
[12:13] <Jucato> hm... who works on the presenting Kubuntu slideshow?
[12:13] <Jucato> wb Tonio_!
[12:13] <Riddell> kwwii
[12:13] <Tonio_> re
[12:13] <Jucato> ah. wondering if the feisty version is more complete than the edgy one..
[12:14] <Jucato> I was running the slideshow in a booth for Ubuntu/Kubuntu when I was greeted by a large "Insert image here"...
[12:16] <Tonio_> someone using knetworkmanager with wpa here ? I've been reported knm doesn't store wpa passwords, while it works with wep...
[12:16] <Tonio_> I can't test here since wireless doesn't work on feisty with macbook
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're using wpa I think right ?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: not I
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay will ask elsewhere then
[12:18] <Hobbsee> yuriy: which bugs are you working on at the moment?
[12:21] <Lure> Tonio_: I use wpa-psk - no problem. Bug is about wpa-enterprise though...
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: ah okay
[12:22] <Tonio_> Lure: would be interesting to ask this guy to test with the gnome applet
[12:22] <Lure> Tonio_: any plans to update from svn (vpn plugins are now in universe)
[12:22] <Tonio_> can be a network-manager general issue
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it stores wpa passwords, at least most of the time.
[12:22] <Lure> Tonio_: no, it is applet specific - n-m does no storing of data
[12:22] <Tonio_> Lure: svn stuff is too incomplete to build a package
[12:22] <Lure> :-(
[12:23] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll try to speed up timo to release a tarball
[12:23] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, you should probaby ping on mailing list
[12:23] <Tonio_> Lure: ho I just noticed backlight control works on macbook now with guidance power manager
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure: any idea how to map the keyboard buttons correctly ?
[12:24] <Tonio_> those are f1 and f2
[12:24] <Lure> Tonio_: nice, what about laptop keys?
[12:24] <Lure> What are they?
[12:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes? about to go to dinner. haven't started bug yet,as I'm still on edgy
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh.  i've found ~14 bugs that need filing upstream, on b.k.o - you interested?
[12:24] <Lure> Tonio_: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure: audio control works
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure: let me check
[12:25] <Lure> Tonio_: add your data there and I can look into it
[12:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I will be, after I fill up my stomach:)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ok :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: just keycode is required ? xev is the tol then ;)
[12:25] <Lure> Tonio_: if keycode is not produces, check infor from Sladen and check if lshal produces something
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: can laptop-buttons handle keyboard backlight or is that too "mac" ? ;)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you see https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/90020 ?
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90020 in kdenetwork "Kopete should not use a patched contact list by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looking
[12:29] <Tonio_> Lure: is laptop-buttons to manage vernum too ?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we *have* to install kwifimanager by default?
[12:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it isn't
[12:30] <Lure> Tonio_: vernum?
[12:31] <Tonio_> numlock sorry (french inside) ;)
[12:31] <Tonio_> Lure: I can give you all the keycodes for macbook pro
[12:31] <Lure> Tonio_: no, but some users reported it ;-)
[12:31] <Tonio_> Lure: that would be nice
[12:31] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, great - just put them in I will check tonight
[12:31] <Tonio_> Lure: also there is no hardware eject button for the cd
[12:31] <Tonio_> Lure: that's a keyboard key
[12:32] <Tonio_> will put it aswell
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh.  so it isnt.  can we reject all kwifimanager bugs then?  :P
[12:32] <Hobbsee> heya kwwii
[12:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: makes sense to remove kopete theme then, didn't knew about that issue on high configs
[12:32] <kwwii> howdy
[12:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we can
[12:32] <Tonio_> hey kwwii ;)
[12:32] <kwwii> hi Tonio_, Hobbsee
[12:35] <Tonio_> Lure: would you be interested in managing "eject cd" too ?
[12:35] <Tonio_> oh! it is sorry
[12:35] <Lure> Tonio_: it should work already - it calls "eject"
[12:35] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, just the keycode is required
[12:37] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, can you confirm bug 88367
[12:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88367 in digikam "[Feisty]  Digikam is not translated in french" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88367
[12:41] <Tonio_> Lure: confirmed
[12:46] <Tonio_> Lure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes filed
[12:49] <Tonio_> Lure: in fact everything works except brightness (and sensor)
[12:56] <Riddell> Jucato: new python-kde3 up
[01:03] <Riddell> kwwii: how did the new artwork you were talking about come along?
[01:04] <kwwii> Riddell: it didn't...I am exporting pics atm so that we can make a decision
[01:04] <kwwii> Riddell: I ended up working on another variant instead :-)
[01:05] <Riddell> sounds exciting
[01:05] <Riddell> remember, beta freeze this week
[01:05] <Riddell> nixternal: where are those docs again?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> when people keep calling me, i have to call them back dammit!
[01:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll probably remove the patch for kopete toonight, can cause trouble...
[01:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the important part is the new default theme, not the contact list one
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: okay.  it also requires konqueror, so that kfmclient works.
[01:08] <Jucato> Riddell: rm dist-upgrade.py and wget the new one again right?
[01:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what about kopete and konqueror ?
[01:09] <Riddell> Jucato: doesn't matter, just run it from adept
[01:09] <Jucato> Riddell: ok
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw lots of issues with qt-debconf, is that known or should I investogate ?
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: conplains when value blabla isn't between 1 and 20
[01:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've heard of that, I've not had a chance to look into it
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate on that point once I've done the current todo things
[01:13] <kwwii> ok, all...here it goes: http://sinecera.de/kdm_idea[0-6] .png
[01:13] <Jucato> Riddell: hm.. same problem... can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE... from Adept or manually...
[01:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: I like 5 and 2
[01:14] <Riddell> Jucato: what's the error (using the file I told you to wget)
[01:14] <Tonio_> 5 is the best for me
[01:14] <apokryphos> I really like 0, 3 and 6
[01:15] <apokryphos> 2 is purple-ish.. step-back IMO
[01:15] <Jucato> Riddell: I haven't tried wget yet
[01:15] <kwwii> hehe, oops, 0 and 3 are the same :-)
[01:15] <apokryphos> ;-)
[01:16] <Riddell> kwwii: 2 or 5 I'd say
[01:16] <apokryphos> I think the "kubuntu" text in 5 is a little too stark a contrast to the background
[01:16] <Hobbsee> kwwii: 5 looks good
[01:16] <kwwii> apokryphos: yeah, true
[01:16] <Jucato> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10008/ looks like the same error :(
[01:17] <kwwii> btw. the purple-ish background in the one pic is the colors from edgy, the bg in the other pics is the new stuff
[01:17] <Riddell> Jucato: what version of python-kde3 do you have installed?
[01:17] <apokryphos> kwwii: better to stay consistent; purplish is a step back :P
[01:17] <Jucato> Riddell: 3.15.2+20060422-2ubuntu4.2
[01:18] <Riddell> Jucato: humph, maybe there's something wrong with the kdelibs or kdebase in that archive
[01:18] <Riddell> Jucato: I'll look into it
[01:18] <Jucato> Riddell: ok. good luck :)
[01:23] <apokryphos> Jucato: right, just good taste too :P
[01:24] <Jucato> haha
[01:24] <Jucato> :)
[01:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: does the list of bugs you were referring to involve Feisty?
[01:30] <Tm_T> 5, there must be contrast.
[01:30] <Tm_T> 4 is good too, but it's less strong.
[01:32] <sebas> kwwii: Green please.
[01:32] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:35] <Tm_T> Actually I wan't red desktop, cccp/viva la revolution -spirit. :)
[01:39] <Tm_T> Jucato: Include pictures of Trotski?
[01:41] <kwwii> sebas: yes, sir! I'll get right on that
[01:41] <sebas> Finally! I'll get you a green beer then.
[01:43] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think so.  but they mainly involve filing upstream, and checking if they already exist there
[01:51] <Jucato> hm... I guess I can try working on some. at least checking first if they're already filed upstream
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, thatd' help
[01:52] <Jucato> ok.. where can I get the list?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bugs or something
[01:52] <Hobbsee> whatever the URL is
[01:54] <Jucato> hm.. 15 bugs... ok I'll look into them
[02:18] <Riddell> hobbsee got a blog!
[02:18] <crimsun> s/got/updated/
[02:18] <crimsun> she's had one for several months iirc
[02:19] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:23] <kwwii> Riddell: I've committed my changes...should I push a branch?
[02:25] <Riddell> kwwii: yes
[02:33] <yuriy_> morning
[02:35] <Jucato> moin  yuriy_!
[02:54] <bddebian> Heya
[02:54] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[02:54] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:07] <kwwii> Riddell: well, it shows up in launchpad with just a simple commit, so no branch necessary I guess?
[03:08] <Riddell> kwwii: with bzr you either have a checkout where a commit will upload to the remote repository (much the same as svn), or a branch where it will just commit to your local disk and it still needs pushed to get uploaded to the remote repository
[03:08] <Tm_T> Who's our default settings wizard?
[03:08] <Riddell> if you have a checkout, then just a commit is all it needs
[03:08] <Riddell> Tm_T: me, Tonio_, kwwii, whoever
[03:08] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I just figured that out :-)
[03:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: Roger.
[03:09] <Jucato> Bug 26936
[03:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26936 in kopete "unindent keyboard shortcut not working in kate" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26936
[03:10] <Jucato> caused by the Kate shortcut conflicting w/ Kopete's Global Shortcut for Read Message
[03:10] <Jucato> Tm_T: I'm going to file the bug upstream against Kopete
[03:11] <freeflying> Riddell: any clues on Chinese character display using qt-3.3.8?
[03:12] <Tm_T> Jucato: Sure, but we can fix it immediately. ;)
[03:12] <Jucato> yeah, but I think we should let upstream know about it too... :)
[03:12] <Tm_T> Ofcourse.
[03:12] <fdoving> Jucato: fix it, and attach a patch to your upstream bugreport :)
[03:13] <Tm_T> Hmm, and we must make sure there's no other conflicts when change stuff.
[03:13] <Jucato> fdoving: heh :)
[03:13] <Jucato> hm... how do we do that... :(
[03:13] <fdoving> apt-get install *
[03:13] <fdoving> :)
[03:13] <Riddell> freeflying: none at all
[03:13] <Jucato> Tm_T: no we can't use Ctrl+Shift+R
[03:14] <Tm_T> Jucato: I assumed so, what's using it?
[03:14] <Jucato> it's mapped to Close Current View in Konqueror
[03:14] <Jucato> Ctrl+Shift+M seems to be unused though...
[03:14] <fdoving> even if it's used inside konqueror, it can be used elsewhere.
[03:14] <Tm_T> hmm, M is far from ctrl and shift.
[03:15] <fdoving> the global hotkeys are a pain.
[03:15] <Jucato> actually it's not just for Konqueror after all
[03:15] <Tm_T> Jucato: Heh, so we can't conflict with that.
[03:15] <fdoving> i mean, you can have ctrl-c copying in all your apps.
[03:15] <Jucato> er wait.. lol my bad...
[03:15] <Tm_T> ?
[03:16] <Tm_T> I'm going to have something to this backpain. ->
[03:17] <Jucato> ok so basically we can't use anything that some other app is using, since the Read Message shortcut is a GLobal Shortcut...
[03:17] <Jucato> Tm_T: Ctrl+I is default for Indent in Kate. I is farther than M from Ctrl :D
[03:20] <Lure> Riddell: any idea why digikamimageplugins is  not in repo yet (it build around 11:00)
[03:27] <Riddell> Lure: 0.9.1 looks there to me http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/d/digikamimageplugins/
[03:28] <Lure> Riddell: right, it is in universe and I use de. mirror for that ;-)
[03:28] <Lure> Riddell: this reminded me that I need to write MIR for imageplugins ;-)
[03:30] <Riddell> hmm, fridge going ahead of official announcement
[03:31] <Riddell> nixternal, imbrandon: it might be nice to edit that story and point out the french are actually using Kubuntu
[03:35] <Riddell> freeflying: it might be worth e-mailing lars@trolltech .com to ask if he knows of any reason it wouldn't display those characters
[03:36] <freeflying> Riddell: if we can not fix it, would you reverse qt to 3.3.7?
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, we may have to
[03:44] <freeflying> Riddell: mail sent
[03:47] <Riddell> freeflying: this was all working fine with qt 3.3.7?
[03:47] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[04:04] <superstoned> kwwii: love 0 and 6 :d I guess it's a choice between hard and soft.
[04:13] <sebas> Lure: Ping
[04:13] <Lure> sebas: pong
[04:14] <sebas> Lure: In powermanager, in poll() the lidaction to be executed is read directly from the radiobuttons
[04:14] <sebas> Is that correct?
[04:14] <sebas> line 654-ish
[04:14] <sebas> I think it's not, we want to do what's configured, not what we read from the UI.
[04:15] <sebas> It might've been changed, but not yet applied.
[04:15] <sebas> I.e. a race-condition
[04:15] <sebas> (Didn't try it actually, but looks kinda wrong :-))
[04:15] <Lure> sebas: probably yes - I think there are other cases though
[04:15] <sebas> Yeah, this one strikes me.
[04:15] <sebas> My powermanager suspends stating lid is closed when I start it
[04:16] <Lure> sebas: but this is vliad only for the time config ui is opened, right
[04:16] <Lure> sebas: when you cancel, it is discarded, right?
[04:16] <sebas> I think so
[04:16] <sebas> Well, is it, actually?
[04:18] <Lure> I think we should be safe to change this to config read: we already do this for critical and idle action
[04:18] <sebas> Yes, it's only when it's still opened.
[04:18] <sebas> Yup
[04:18] <sebas> I think that's the correct fix, indeed.
[04:18] <sebas> config write should be OK anyway.
[04:18] <sebas> I'll do that.
[04:18] <sebas> And I'm thinking of moving more HAL reads into powermanage.py, for abstraction and easier testing
[04:19] <sebas>             properties = self.powermanager.lidObject.GetAllProperties(dbus_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device")
[04:19] <sebas> Like this.
[04:19] <sebas> HAL reads are butt-ugly and best hidden, IMO
[04:19] <Lure> sebas: I am all for that - not having HAL calls in g-p-m.py would be nice
[04:19] <sebas> Cool
[04:19] <sebas> I'll do something about it then
[04:20] <Lure> sebas: what is the plan regarding release? Should we have official release (0.8?) for feisty?
[04:20] <Tonio_> sebas: hey ;)
[04:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I notice no numlock keycode required in the laptop button wikipage, is that normal ?
[04:21] <Lure> Tonio_: no, some user added it (it thought it is special laptop key) ;-)
[04:21] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't it ?
[04:22] <Lure> Tonio_: every keyboard has NumLock
[04:22] <Tonio_> Lure: yes but the keycode is difference on each laptop no ?
[04:22] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe you think about numericy keypad switch key?
[04:22] <Tonio_> that's it
[04:22] <Lure> Tonio_: that is different and typically handled in HW
[04:23] <Tonio_> okay, not with macbook ;)
[04:23] <Lure> Tonio_: so it does not work?
[04:23] <Tonio_> but that's not very important issue, wireless driver one is bigger ;)
[04:23] <Tonio_> Lure: nope it doesn't, that's why I asked
[04:24] <Tonio_> I have the keycode for this but it doesn't work, so I wondered if there was an X event for this
[04:24] <Lure> nice, it does not work here (/me never tried it ;-))
[04:25] <Tonio_> hehe
[04:33] <sebas> Tonio_: hey back :-)
[04:34] <Jucato> is it technically correct to say that Linspire is going to be based on Kubuntu? shouldn't it be on Ubuntu instead, since Linspire makes their own KDE packages (afaik)?
[04:34] <Tonio_> sebas: howdy ?
[04:34] <sebas> Tonio_: Cool :)
[04:34] <Tonio_> sebas: hehe nice :)
[04:34] <sebas> How's you?
[04:35] <Tonio_> perfect, just back from vacations and some b*stard broke my car last night.... welcome to france...
[04:35] <Tonio_> we really have a problem
[04:40] <kwwii> I'd agree with you on that
[04:46] <sebas> Lure: What does HAL's SetPowerSave() actually do?
[04:46] <sebas> It has a comment that it's not in Ubuntu's HAL, but then the code looks wrong anyway.
[04:46] <Lure> sebas: I do not know, you have put it there ;-)
[04:46] <sebas> Uhm, I did? :D
[04:47] <sebas> Anyway, I'll fix it.
[04:52] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty
[04:53] <sebas> Lure: Committed.
[04:54] <Riddell> sebas: annma has some problems with guidance on #kde-devel
[04:54] <sebas> I was thinking if we really want to show current cpu frequency in the default setup, I've added a switch to not show it. More opinions on that are welcome
[04:54] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, I'll have a look
[05:05] <yuriy> artwork choices up?
[05:06] <Riddell> nixternal: that looks great
[05:06] <Riddell> nixternal: it's all topic based and stuff, people will actually have a good chance of finding what they are looking for
[05:07] <Riddell> nixternal: what do you think we should do with links from about:konq ?
[05:08] <nixternal> Riddell: just remove the release-notes, packaging, and server guides, and create 1 link to help:/kubuntu/sysdocs-index
[05:09] <nixternal> I would say go ahead and keep the About Kubuntu link, as that hasn't changed
[05:09] <Riddell> nixternal: good plan
[05:20] <mhb> hi all
[05:21] <mhb> sebas: around?
[05:21] <sebas> mhb: yes
[05:21] <sebas> Hi =)
[05:21] <mhb> sebas: hi
[05:23] <Riddell> seaLne: ubuntu-uk are organising a meeting in Glasgow
[05:23] <mhb> sebas: about grubconfig: I tried to finish it before the feature freeze, but seeing that it would be relatively useless with the update-grub script around, I decided it is of no use to haste the production and instead do a more object-oriented rewrite
[05:23] <sebas> mhb: Ah, do you have some code already?
[05:23] <mhb> sebas: some small portions of it
[05:23] <sredna> hi
[05:24] <yuriy> kfn down?
[05:24] <sebas> Commit it, so I can join in
[05:24] <sredna> isn't there a adobe acrobat package?
[05:24] <sebas> mhb: So branch or break and fix? :-)
[05:24] <sredna> i can't print with kpdf, it is appearently broken
[05:25] <yuriy> sredna: there's an acroread package. xpdf also works. and that's a #kubuntu question
[05:25] <yuriy> sredna: btw if it's the page cropping problem, can you try it on feisty?
[05:26] <mhb> sebas: I guess breaking it, but the code not being complete kind of interferes with the guidance review, right?
[05:26] <sredna> they send me in here
[05:26] <yuriy> oh
[05:26] <sredna> yuriy: and i can't find a acroread package, maybe because i'm on a 64 bit system?
[05:27] <yuriy> sredna: probably. and it's in multiverse i think
[05:27] <sredna> i should have multiverse enabled
[05:27] <Riddell> there won't be acrobat on amd64
[05:27] <sredna> why?
[05:27] <yuriy> but xpdf works. that's what i used to work around the problem brefore, but it seems to be working now..
[05:27] <sredna> that is a disaster for me
[05:27] <sredna> kpdf doesn't quite cut it
[05:27] <Riddell> abode don't provide a 64 bit version
[05:27] <sredna> hm
[05:27] <sredna> too bad!
[05:28] <sredna> that is the first real argument i've heard against 63bit systems :(
[05:29] <abattoir> sredna: you could run it from a chroot, or install the necessary ia32libs(i think)
[05:29] <yuriy> manchicken__ should put his blog posts together and fix bug 62611 :)
[05:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62611 in adept "no help available when pressing F1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62611
[05:29] <abattoir> but yeah, it's a bit of a pain ;)
[05:29] <abattoir> hi everyone :)
[05:30] <yuriy> sredna: i haven't heard any arguments against 63bit systems but i imagine they wouldn't work too well ;)
[05:30] <yuriy> oops abattoir^
[05:30] <sredna> lol
[05:30] <abattoir> heh :)
[05:30] <sredna> 64 <- i *can* type it
[05:31] <sredna> looks like it :-)
[05:35] <sebas> mhb: Ok, can you commit right away then?
[05:36] <mhb> sebas: I am kind of stressed with time right now
[05:37] <mhb> sebas: could this wait until tomorrow?
[05:37] <sebas> mhb: No problem, it can wait for sure
[05:37] <mhb> sebas: great
[05:38] <mhb> sebas: I'll read your email once more and try to fix the indenting before the commit
[05:38] <sebas> Cool :-)
[05:38] <sebas> Well, thinking about it, commit it in two parts
[05:38] <sebas> So I can see what's changed in the code
[05:38] <mhb> sebas: but I think the update-grub script itself deserves some modifications
[05:38] <sebas> indenting fixes produce a lot of noise
[05:38] <sebas> Ah, which?
[05:39] <mhb> sebas: well, I've heard about people that are unhappy about the fact that update-grub overwrites their menu.lst file and especially their menu entry names
[05:39] <mhb> sebas: bon appetit
[05:39] <sebas> Merci :-)
[05:40] <sebas> Yeah, I can imagine.
[05:40] <sebas> But I doubt it'll be changed completely.
[05:40] <mhb> sebas: at least I want to raise the issue or hear the developers' opinion
[05:46] <Tonio_> re
[05:46] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy, just seen the upload :)
[05:46] <nixternal> Feisty+1 will be even better
[05:46] <nixternal> there are still some more "advanced" topics I want to get in there
[05:46] <Riddell> nixternal: you rock
[05:47] <Riddell> nixternal: the about kubuntu stuff could do with being rewritten in feisty+1
[05:47] <nixternal> yes I know I am a rock :)  thanks Riddell, you rock as well!
[05:47] <Riddell> nixternal: for the moment we need to work out what to do for release notes
[05:47] <nixternal> Riddell: agreed! will do most definitely
[05:47] <nixternal> Riddell: webpage like we did for Edgy
[05:47] <Riddell> perfect
[05:47] <nixternal> what happened with release notes and ubiquity?
[05:47] <Riddell> that's what I'm trying to remember
[05:48] <nixternal> that would be the most perfect spot for release notes
[05:48] <nixternal> while they are installing a little presentation takes them through the changes
[05:49] <Riddell> ubiquity slideshow is different
[05:49] <nixternal> ok, I know someone else tried to clarify that for me before as well, I just didn't want to listen I guess :)
[06:22] <nixternal> is it safe in Feisty to set my alternative qmake to qmake-qt4?
[06:23] <fdoving> depends on what apps you compile.
[06:23] <fdoving> qmake-qt4 is for qt4.
[06:23] <nixternal> ya
[06:23] <fdoving> qmake-qt3 is for qt3.
[06:26] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[06:27] <dinosaur-rus> what's the best (safest) way to disable redundant tty's?
[06:28] <Lathiat> why on earth would you bother to do that :)
[06:29] <dinosaur-rus> I don't need all 6-7 terminals :)
[06:31] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: have a look at /etc/event.d/tty*
[06:34] <sebas> mhb: makes sense.
[06:35] <Tm_T> Mooooooh.
[06:35] <Tm_T> I need extra pc to fiddle around Edubuntu.
[06:36] <fdoving> the mediamanager behaves strange.
[06:37] <dinosaur-rus> fdoving: will 'chmod -r' on these files be enough (I still want to be able to revert things when necessary)?
[06:37] <fdoving> should it automount even if i have selected not to, in right-click->properites->mounter 'auto mount'.
[06:38] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: have a look at the contents, it's easy to make it stop on runlevel 2, instead of start, which i belive is what you want.
[06:40] <fdoving> hi lure, are you up2date on the kded medimanager & automounter ?
[06:41] <Lure> fdoving: not really, _Sime_knows more about this due to media:/ patches
[06:41] <fdoving> ok.
[07:09] <Lure> Riddell: how does digikam.mo come to language-pack?
[07:09] <Lure> Riddell: see bug 88367
[07:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88367 in digikam "[Feisty]  Digikam is not translated in french" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88367
[07:10] <Riddell> Lure: it should go into rosetta and come out again
[07:11] <Lure> Riddell: and how often is this updated? Current version does not contain digikam.mo
[07:12] <Lure> Riddell: it seems they are stipped out, but not put into language-pack
[07:17] <Riddell> Lure: https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/digikam/+translations
[07:17] <dinosaur-rus> omg, there're 359 active Linux distributions... :S
[07:18] <Riddell> seems launchpad doesn't know about it
[07:18] <Lure> Riddell: that may be reason why it is dropped for language-pack
[07:18] <Lure> whom to ping?
[07:18] <Riddell> Lure: carlos
[07:18] <Lure> Riddell: in #launchpad?
[07:19] <nixternal> Lure: I just pinged the entire channel, and whoever answered first was the right person :)
[07:33] <nixternal> man, Gentoo is falling apart. they are losing devs left and right this week
[07:34] <Riddell> why's that?
[07:35] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future
[07:35] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: and http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/03/12/1154242.shtml
[07:37] <nixternal> ya that
[07:37] <nixternal> I just finished reading their -dev mailing list. insane the way their devs pretty much hate each other
[07:38] <apokryphos> interesting
[07:38] <dinosaur-rus> Gentoo has lost its founder, and that always means problems
[07:39] <nixternal> well Daniel left Gentoo a couple of years ago to work for another distro called Microsoft Windows :)
[07:39] <nixternal> he recently "tried" to come back and was met with pure hatred which is sad
[07:41] <\sh> nixternal: sometimes this behaviour is "just normal" in gentoo
[07:42] <nixternal> true
[07:49] <Lure> \sh: did you got your pile of point stick already? ;-)
[07:51] <sebas> Hehe, yeah, kudos for pissing of a lot of people in one go :-)
[07:53] <dinosaur-rus> is it possible to add another wallpapers directory to KDE?
[07:53] <\sh> lure: my pile of point stick? wtf?
[07:53] <Lure> \sh: from Hobbsee ;-)
[07:54] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[07:54] <\sh> Lure: it wasn't meant to be in a negative or s*xual way...I'm just glad to see the beginning of the future :)
[07:55] <nixternal> \sh: we know, but we just wanted to give you a hard time, in a non-s*xual way :p
[07:56] <\sh> thx...I have enough hard times right now in our office...the workload just increased...it's cebit time-
[07:57] <nixternal> fun
[07:57] <\sh> but..the good thing is: we get new toys...hp dl320s
[07:58] <nixternal> ooh
[07:58] <nixternal> 1u?
[07:58] <\sh> 2u...
[07:58] <nixternal> nice
[07:58] <\sh> but 12x 500GB or 750GB sata hds
[07:58] <nixternal> I am a dl360 fan myself
[07:58] <nixternal> holy jeesh, that's a lot of storage
[07:58] <\sh> na
[07:58] <\sh> our main machines have 16x 500GB sata hds ;)
[07:59] <\sh> problem with dl320s is only a single dual core and max 8gb ram
[07:59] <nixternal> what are you using them for?
[07:59] <\sh> store and forward space for our instant messaging platform
[07:59] <sebas> Storing p0rn
[08:00] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:00] <\sh> something like this, yeah ,->
[08:00] <nixternal> sebas: I was going to say the same thing
[08:00] <sebas> That was an easy one :-)
[08:00] <nixternal> ya it was, I just wanted to hear the truth from \sh though ;p
[08:00] <nixternal> that and goatse redirects
[08:01] <nixternal> anyone an Anthropology major? I need someone to take my midterms tonight
[08:01] <\sh> nixternal: the next toy will be a dl365 with 4x 300gb sata hds in the dl365...and a msa60 strorage with 12x 500 or 750gb sata hds attached :)
[08:02] <nixternal> well I just bought a new hemp shirt for my Mexican voyage coming up :)
[08:02] <nixternal> oh well, off to school I go.
[08:02] <\sh> and my dream is right now: hp bladecenter with bl465 c-class ...it's a dl365 (amd cpu) in blade format....and a nice san attached :)
[08:11] <\sh> oh god...the comments
[08:21] <\sh> but good to know, that I was the one who brought our very nice UbuntuWomen founder, Svaksha, to the community...oh well...why do people have always other things in their mind, when a man talks about sexiness. *bangingheadonthedesk*
[08:24] <Riddell> if you call something sexy, it's not an unfair assumption that it means sexual
[08:25] <sebas> If you put it in quotes, there *might* be more to it.
[08:25] <sebas> I'm getting the impression that most people only react to show how p.c. they are, as a means of self-profiling.
[08:30] <\sh> Riddell: so, a "sexy 500 SEL" means that I could be into something very sexual with a car?
[08:30] <Riddell> whatever turns you on :)
[08:30] <sebas> What about that libsexy stuff turning up on planet.gnome once in a while?
[08:31] <solemnwarning> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu says "We need people to program a number of utilities.", what utilities are those?
[08:31] <Riddell> the point is we want to /avoid/ the kind of offputting culture that gave the world liboobs
[08:31] <Riddell> solemnwarning: changes, as people come along and write them :)
[08:34] <kwwii> people go overboard on sexual things anyway...people like to flip out about it
[08:34] <\sh> Riddell: problem is, nobody realised that if [I | <put your fav name here>]  ever wanted to be a annoying freaking **xmaniac towards our women here, [I | <put your fav name here>]  would do that in public...for that we have email or IM...but well,
[08:35] <kwwii> look at the ubuntu feisty wallpaper and then read this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-March/109114.html
[08:39] <\sh> oh god, when the people know how my wallpaper looks like....they will name me a killergame playing, child eating, dog punishing, women annoying SoaB...
[08:39] <Riddell> kwwii: do I want to follow the links he gives?
[08:40] <\sh> lol
[08:40] <Tm_T> \sh: Hmm, if you dare, show it to me. ;)
[08:40] <\sh> this guy is funny ;)
[08:41] <\sh> Tm_T: you can always visit me here at our office :) have a look yourself..:)
[08:43] <gamemank> that was amusing
[08:43] <\sh> Tm_T: it shows my GF
[08:45] <kwwii> Riddell: you do if you want to laugh ;-)
[08:45] <\sh> anyways...I have to go now to my hotel...time to leave the office
[08:45] <\sh> bbl
[08:47] <Tm_T> \sh_away: Ok, will do in my next around-the-world-tour. :)
[08:54] <solemnwarning> I'm thinking about writing CGI pages that generate config files for various things
[08:55] <solemnwarning> Do you think some well designed/written config generator pages would help people use Linux?
[08:56] <Riddell> solemnwarning: what sort of things?
[08:56] <solemnwarning> Planning on starting with dhcpd first
[08:57] <solemnwarning> Went through the nightmare of making it play nice with bind on my new home server a few days ago
[08:58] <gamemank> solemnwarning: i don't understand what the pages are supposed to do... how would it be different from configuration modules or (where applicable) webmin?
[08:58] <solemnwarning> Configuration modules?
[09:01] <gamemank> solemnwarning: as in actual systemsettings dialogs as opposed to cgi pages
[09:01] <solemnwarning> Ah
[09:01] <solemnwarning> This would be a CGI page on any webserver, so you could use it on machines without an X server
[09:02] <solemnwarning> Put in settings, config file comes out
[09:02] <mhb> kwwii: nice inspiration :o)
[09:03] <Riddell> kwwii: ug, I really didn't want to
[09:04] <kwwii> mhb: thanks :-)
[09:36] <Lure> Riddell: for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess , we need to add package to some seed - since there is no space in desktop, can we put it somewhere else?
[09:41] <Riddell> Lure: supported
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will write report first then and ping you to review
[09:41] <pusling> Riddell: you fallen off oftc again.
[09:42] <Lure> pusling: he was probably kick-banned as he did not behave ;-)
[09:43] <pusling> Lure: I guess not ;)
[09:44] <xerosis> why would the -386 kernel give me the old usplash and the -generic, the new?
[10:32] <lontra> if i just want to test kde4 packages, i only need to install kde4base right and not kde4base-devel?
[10:36] <crimsun> congrats!
[10:37] <yuriy> congratulations Lure
[10:40] <Lure> crimsun, yuriy: thanks!
[10:43] <mhb> congratulations Luka
[10:43] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_, allee: can you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportDigikamImagePlugins
[10:45] <yuriy> i don't really have a way to check, this functionality is still not there right: bug 75713
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75713 in adept "does not check diskspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75713
[10:45] <mhb> hmm, is there going to be any collaboration between the kubuntu developers and the Linspire folks?
[10:56] <yuriy> was the fix to bug 80618 released?
[10:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80618
[10:57] <Tonio_> Lure: eating, will do after that
[10:57] <Lure> Tonio_: take your time ;-)
[11:01] <xerosis> will democracy player be fixed by release?
[11:04] <allee> Lure: MIR looks fine
[11:05] <Lure> allee: thanks, Riddell can put it on supported seed, and then we are ready for review
[11:05] <allee> Lure: k
[11:06] <allee> Lure: you know why digikam 0.9.1 is still not in feisty?
[11:06] <Lure> allee: it is
[11:06] <Lure> allee: de. mirror is lagging ;-)
[11:06] <allee> Lure: ahhhh
[11:06] <allee> thx
[11:06] <Lure> allee: it just got built today after couple of given-backs ;-)
[11:06] <allee> Lure: I wanted to check that translation are not stripped from showfoto ;)
[11:07] <Lure> allee: no translations still - it looks like Rosetta is not properly done
[11:07] <Lure> allee: no digikam.mo files in language-pack*
[11:07] <allee> Lure: showfoto is universe.  So no striping, right?
[11:08] <Lure> allee: not really, as source (digikam) is in main, but would need to check with Riddell
[11:08] <Lure> allee: it makes sense to add showfoto also to main (supported seed) in order to reduce confusion
[11:09] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^
[11:14] <allee> Lure: I wonder why this strange feature, same source. but some generated pkgs in main, some in universe, is there at all.
[11:15] <Lure> allee: me too ;-), it does not make a lot of sense at all
[11:23] <Lure> allee, Riddell: carlos took over bug 88367
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88367 in rosetta "Digikam is not translatable in Rosetta" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88367
[11:25] <allee> Lure: great.  mhhm, doesn't it imply that 'our' unofficial pkgs have to Replace language-* for edgy and feisty in the future?
[11:25] <Lure> allee: no, your packages are not stripped of .mo files, so we should be fine
[11:26] <Lure> allee: only official packages are stripped and moved to language-pack
[11:26] <allee> Lure: right, but this mean the pkgs contain files that are in the lang-pack pkgs
[11:26] <Lure> allee, yep that might be an issue :-(
[11:28] <Lure> allee: I am not sure we want to ship language-pack in your repo
[11:29] <allee> Lure: mhm, lang-pack should contain same translations as upstream source (+roseta trans).  So removing translation from the unofficial pkgs, seem to be the way to go.
[11:29] <Lure> allee: it looks they ship in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/ while original is in /usr/share/locale/ka/LC_MESSAGES/
[11:29] <Lure> allee: so at least there will not be conflict, but not sure what will be picked up
[11:30] <Lure> allee: stripping is not solution for new upstream version due to new messages
[11:30] <allee> Lure: right.  heh, backporting get's more and more fun ;)
[11:35] <fdoving> hmm... don't we support shownig unmounted removable device icons on the desktop?
[11:36] <fdoving> support/allow without hacking.
[11:37] <yuriy> fdoving: don't think so :-\
[11:37] <yuriy> at least not in feisty
[11:37] <fdoving> yuriy: i've hacked my mediamanager to not mount when i select to do nothing in the popup.
[11:37] <yuriy> or more specifically, i don't think we support not mounting devices when you plug them in..
[11:37] <allee> fdoving: good!
[11:37] <yuriy> oh
[11:37] <fdoving> but now i have to mount them manually via the commandline.
[11:38] <allee> fdoving: or goto media:/
[11:38] <allee> fdoving: but media:/  is hard to find if one does not know about it :(
[11:38] <fdoving> 'right-click-on-desktop -> behavior -> device icons' doesn't list 'unmounted removable device'.
[11:39] <fdoving> allee, can't even find that device there.
[11:39] <fdoving> my other usb disk is listed in media:/ it's unmounted too.
[11:40] <fdoving> oh.. now it's there.
[11:40] <allee> fdoving: yeah, but there you can mount/savely remove
[11:40] <fdoving> allee, yep. but if you safely remove an unmounted device, it disappeasrs from media:/
[11:40] <fdoving> is that sane?
[11:41] <allee> fdoving: that's what savely remove is all about ;)
[11:41] <fdoving> then i want an unmount option.
[11:41] <yuriy> seems we're trying to hide the existence of "unmounted" from the user
[11:41] <yuriy> *yuck*
[11:41] <fdoving> i kinda expect 'do nothing' to do nothing.
[11:42] <allee> fdoving: once I was told that some USB devices, shut themself down in this case too :(
[11:42] <yuriy> fdoving: but someone coming from windows expects 'do nothing' to mount
[11:42] <fdoving> yuriy: if we ever want to be better than windows we can't do just like them.
[11:43] <toma> hear, hear!
[11:43] <allee> fdoving: with KDE3 media support we can't bet windoof
[11:43] <fdoving> allee: ok, then it's expected behavior for safely remove. i've always thogugth it was just umount with a nice name.
[11:44] <fdoving> there is also an obsolete option, if the current feisty behavior is what we want.
[11:44] <yuriy> what's that?
[11:45] <fdoving> rightclick on removable device -> properties -> mounting -> mount automatically
[11:45] <fdoving> if that is checked i expect the device to be automounted on insert.
[11:46] <fdoving> it would be OK to leave it checked by default, but unchecking should be possible.
[11:46] <fdoving> .. it is possible, it just doesn't do what you expect.
[11:47] <fdoving> if you check 'mount automatically' the device is mounted instantly on insert.
[11:47] <allee> that what I would expect from 'mount automaticly' ;)
[11:47] <fdoving> if you don't, it's mounted once you close/choose to 'do nothing', in the media notifier.
[11:48] <fdoving> it's always mounted, it's just delayed.
[11:48] <allee> fdoving: ah, right.  that's a known bug/feature.
[11:48] <fdoving> i have fixed that.
[11:48] <fdoving> that's the easy part.
[11:48] <fdoving> but now i have to go to media:/ to find my device and mount it.
[11:48] <fdoving> it's not in /media
[11:48] <allee> fdoving: when 'do nothing' gets fixed, we need also to provide an obvious way to access unmounted devices (meda:/ is expert knowledge in kubuntu ;)
[11:48] <fdoving> and it's not on the desktop.
[11:49] <fdoving> allee, exactly.
[11:49] <fdoving> 'do nothing' fix is a oneliner.
[11:49] <allee> fdoving: yes, only in media:/.  and that we tried to hide
[11:49] <fdoving> i added '//' :)
[11:50] <fdoving> allee, it would help if we easily could show it on the desktop, like when it's mounted.
[11:50] <allee> fdoving: is this more obvious than media:/ ?
[11:51] <fdoving> i don't know what the initial plan was.
[11:51] <fdoving> there must be some preferred way to access removable devices?
[11:52] <fdoving> if it's from the mounted-removable-device icon on your desktop, it wouldn't hurt to have it there, just in a unmounted state, if you choose 'do nothing' ?
[11:52] <fdoving> then mount it on demand.
[11:52] <fdoving> and remove it completely(desktop, /media and media:/) on 'safely remove'.
[11:53] <allee> fdoving: question comes down to:  why should a user want it to be in unmounted state instead of automounted in do-nothing case.
[11:54] <fdoving> allee, let's say you have an removable device with 5 partitions. then you get 5 popups asking what to do.
[11:54] <fdoving> if you're only interessted in 1 of them.
[11:54] <fdoving> it's nice to be able to "do nothing by default" on the 4 others.
[11:55] <fdoving> or let's say you want to partition your device, then you need to umount it manually if its automounted, if you safely remove, it can be shutdown,so that's not a safe option. media:/ works.
[11:56] <allee> fdoving: right
[11:58] <lontra> is strigi capable of searching audio files in feisty?  also the strigi-applet doesn't seem to really work
[11:58] <fdoving> automount by default probably makes sense. i just want to be able to disable it.
[12:02] <allee> Tonio_, _Sime_ : ^^ one of media problem mentioned again by fdoving.  Is there anywhere a status/bu/plan page for feisty?  I remember we talked on in kubuntu meeting about it
[12:06] <fdoving> nite guys.
[12:06] <fdoving> allee, i'll try to hack something i like.. can't be that hard to allow that icon on the desktop.
[12:06] <fdoving> bye.
[12:06] <allee> fdoving: bye
[12:09] <lontra> http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/strigi_0.3.11-1ubuntu1/  <- will this make it into feisty?