[12:14] <Cyco> i just dont know what else it is, i put some slack on w/ kde and 2.6 kernel and the sucker flies
[12:14] <redcard> neandrake: No problem.  I ran into a similar situation where the CD burned badly..
[12:14] <bxnp> same applies to running openoffice on windows on linux, its loads faster on windows and is more responsive asswell even some sun guy gave an explenation for that behaviour
[12:14] <Cyco> but as far as managing system ubuntu is much easier
[12:14] <redcard> Cyco: There's a lot more cruft in Ubuntu that makes it slower.
[12:14] <neandrake> redcard, any suggestions for properties for burning?
[12:14] <bxnp> yes it ise Cyco
[12:14] <Cyco> define:cruft
[12:14] <redcard> neandrake: None, really.
[12:14] <Hasrat_USA> i'm on kubuntu gnome sucks :P
[12:14] <redcard> Cyco: Just extra stuff and the like.
[12:14] <Cyco> haha ok
[12:15] <redcard> Cyco: Lots of things loaded as opposed to slack or fedora core.
[12:15] <Cyco> right, maintaining slack is more time than i have
[12:15] <Hasrat_USA> in that case linux might just not be for u bxnp
[12:15] <bxnp> but if you want a realy fast distro the fasted in the world try yoper linux
[12:15] <Cyco> package management for yoper?
[12:16] <bxnp> they have there own package system
[12:16] <redcard> Heh.  I used to run LFS.
[12:16] <Cyco> interesting will look into, just can't stand rpm
[12:16] <Cyco> NICE
[12:16] <Cyco> new book just realeased a few weeks back
[12:16] <redcard> But.. to be honest.. it's a waste of time nowadays.  I want something that works.
[12:16] <bxnp> but still to be honest i dont care about package system's as soon as my system is what i want i dont install new software or do everyday an update only sec fixes
[12:17] <redcard> I moved from a linux "geek" who messes with the system often to someone who just wants something that works.
[12:17] <Cyco> i moved from slack junky to hp admin by day and dont want to fiddle that much at night
[12:18] <Cyco> love kubuntu
[12:18] <Cyco> speed is only thing biting my ass right now, but tolerable because everything is working great, guitar setup etc...
[12:18] <bxnp> i know
[12:18] <jarhead-x> Hey all, I still have something wrong with my repos I am getting GPG errors
[12:18] <Cyco> jarhead you have to import the keys to the repot
[12:19] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[12:19] <kutu> alguien habla espaol????
[12:19] <bxnp> for example i had a dual boot setup on a friends system and openoffice and firefox load considerble slower on linux then on windows
[12:19] <jarhead-x> manually?
[12:19] <tanlaan> I need to talk to someone about remote login
[12:19] <redcard> Guitar setup, Cyco?
[12:19] <Cyco> ya guitar rig by native instruments, wine, jackd
[12:19] <bxnp> it seems that most developers have high end system's
[12:19] <kutu> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL????????????????
[12:20] <Cyco> ya ....i am building nice system end of month
[12:20] <bxnp> tanlaan: try nxclient
[12:20] <bxnp> take a look at ww.nomachine.com
[12:20] <bxnp> www.nomachine.com
[12:20] <redcard> Cyco: Ahh :)
[12:20] <redcard> I'm wanting to learn guitar .. heh
[12:20] <tanlaan> bxnp: no i just need to know some stuff on it, like I want to have my desktop downstairs always on
[12:21] <tanlaan> bxnp: and i want to access it from upstairs on my laptop
[12:21] <Cyco> vnc,ssh,pick your poison
[12:21] <Cyco> xdmcp if you like also
[12:21] <Cyco> bxnp how long you been using kubuntu
[12:21] <tanlaan> bxnp: so i would be using my laptop as a terminal. Now this would allow me to run server applications on my desktop 24/7 and I could access files from it whenever from my laptop
[12:22] <redcard> I like the whole "Synchronizing" to the desktop thing , not accessing it
[12:22] <bxnp> well nomachine works good i must say to acces  your remote desktop
[12:22] <tanlaan> hmm
[12:22] <bxnp> with the link i gave you you can access whatever pc yuou have from wherever you are in the world
[12:23] <bxnp> dunno Cyco
[12:23] <tanlaan> hmm brb
[12:23] <Cyco> you real familiar with edgy and upstart?
[12:23] <bxnp> are you noticing some responsive difference Cyco
[12:23] <bxnp> i run edgy
[12:23] <Cyco> ya i actually am a bit
[12:23] <jarhead-x> hey cyco...how do I easily import the gpg key for http://security.ubuntu.com for edgy-security
[12:24] <redcard> Didn't upstart get deferred?
[12:24] <Cyco> http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[12:24] <Cyco> check that
[12:24] <philip2> hi i read and followed ntfs-3g guide, but i created and mount a directory how do i get rid of it?
[12:24] <jarhead-x> thanks
[12:25] <bxnp> umount is your friend philip2
[12:25] <philip2> wait ill try
[12:25] <bxnp> umount your mounted thingy
[12:25] <Cyco> jarhead check this too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2074576
[12:25] <tabr> Help me start mysql Server. pls..    * Starting MySQL database server mysqld...fail!
[12:25] <bxnp> go to the log files of mysql and see what it says tabr
[12:26] <Cyco> bxnp -redcard thanks - ttyl
[12:26] <redcard> No problem :)
[12:26] <bxnp> yo later Cyco
[12:26] <Cyco> i will look at yoper
[12:26] <Cyco> cya
[12:26] <david___> how can i stop my usb wifi from mounting as a cd?
[12:27] <bxnp> philip2: is it working
[12:27] <philip2> ok i was able to umount it but the folder/directory is still in /media how do i remove it?
[12:28] <bxnp> just remove the unmounted directory
[12:28] <bxnp> rm -rf whatever directory philip2
[12:28] <philip2> iu get access denied
[12:28] <philip2> ok il try
[12:28] <bxnp> sudo -s
[12:29] <bxnp> sudo
[12:29] <bxnp> philip2: cause you dont have the rights to remove something in /media
[12:29] <bxnp> but to be honest why do you bother for that directory
[12:29] <bxnp> and what is the name of that direcotry
[12:29] <philip2>  /media/hub
[12:30] <bxnp> and you created that directory name
[12:30] <philip2> "sudo rm -rf /media/hub" like this?
[12:30] <philip2> yes
[12:30] <bxnp> yes you remove it that way
[12:30] <philip2> iok
[12:30] <philip2> still there
[12:31] <bxnp> refresh konqueror
[12:31] <bxnp> or what every ou use
[12:31] <philip2> its ok now
[12:31] <philip2> sorry about that
[12:31] <philip2> thanks bxnp
[12:31] <bxnp> np philip2
[12:31] <philip2> ^^
[12:31] <philip2> forgot about case sensitive
[12:33] <bxnp> and did it work to write to ntfs philip2
[12:33] <philip2> yes
[12:33] <bxnp> cool, so its stable
[12:34] <philip2> i have to go thanks again
[12:35] <tabr> bxnp : /var/log/mysql.err - empty. /var/log/mysql.log - empty. /var/log/mysql.log.1.gz=>mysql.log - empty, locate mysql.log => /var/log/mysql.log,/var/log/mysql.log.1.gz.
[12:36] <bxnp> oke tabr
[12:37] <jarhead-x> cyco: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2
[12:37] <bxnp> tabr: you have all the packages installed for mysql
[12:37] <premier_> does any one here have experience with foriegn langauges, like japanese?
[12:37] <premier_> !jp
[12:37] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[12:39] <bxnp> tabr: i have to go to bed, so i am not able to help you further
[12:40] <bxnp> may i remind you there is allso a mysql channel on the server
[12:40] <bxnp> maybe a better place for asking help about mysql related problems
[12:42] <jake> guys how do run compiz?
[12:42] <Hasrat_USA> you mean how do guys run compiz?
[12:42] <bxnp> dont jake its overrated
[12:42] <bxnp> just use the console :)
[12:42] <Hasrat_USA> how about how girls run compiz? :D
[12:43] <Hasrat_USA> i bet 80 percent of the educated female population in the united states doesn't even know how to install XP :P
[12:44] <tanlaan> ive installed No Machine on my system, can you help me figure out how to run it?
[12:44] <jake> please tell me how run compiz
[12:44] <jarhead-x> how do I find the key number for us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:44] <bxnp> is it running tanlaan
[12:44] <tabr> [mysql-server] ,[mysql-server-5.0] .[mysql-client] ,[mysql-client-5.0] ,[mysql-common] ,[libmysqlclient15off] ,[libmysqlclient15-dev] ,[libmysqlclient14] ,[libdbd-mysql-perl] +GUI tools+Apache2(works)+php5(works)
[12:45] <tanlaan> does it run in the background automatically? or do you have to go through the NX Session Administrator to start it?
[12:45] <bxnp> well if you configured it to start at boot time it should run as we speak
[12:45] <bxnp> oke to this
[12:45] <bxnp> tanlaan: alt -f2 nxlcient
[12:46] <bxnp> then go to configure
[12:46] <bxnp> put your host
[12:46] <bxnp> in
[12:46] <tanlaan> wait wait wait
[12:46] <bxnp> the kind of desktop you want to run on that remove machine
[12:47] <tanlaan> i installed this through .deb files
[12:47] <tanlaan> and for some reason its not in my usr/bin
[12:47] <bxnp> yes so what, do you have nxclient install
[12:47] <bxnp> installed
[12:47] <tanlaan> yea
[12:47] <tanlaan> i have server, node, and client
[12:47] <bxnp> well run the program wherever it is
[12:47] <tanlaan> ok
[12:48] <jake> please, if you install you install compiz is it automattically running?
[12:48] <tanlaan> it brings up NX Session Administrator
[12:48] <tanlaan> and then I have only one choice, start a session
[12:48] <tanlaan> *start a new session
[12:48] <bxnp> if you do nxclient it runs the session administrator ????
[12:48] <tanlaan> no
[12:48] <tanlaan> one sec
[12:48] <tabr> bxnp [01:44]  <tabr>
[12:48] <tanlaan> there normal client
[12:49] <tanlaan> ok now I'm supposed to put in session, host, and internet type
[12:49] <tanlaan> what should my host be?
[12:49] <bxnp> do this
[12:50] <bxnp> run /usr/NX/bin/nxclient
[12:50] <bxnp> offcourse not with run infront
[12:50] <bxnp> but that is the binary you should be running
[12:50] <bxnp> and its in that directory
[12:50] <tanlaan> ok
[12:50] <tanlaan> well now its up
[12:50] <bxnp> good
[12:50] <tanlaan> *like last time
[12:50] <tanlaan> **
[12:51] <jake> anybody here dont know how to run compiz,
[12:51] <bxnp> can you  go to configure tanlaan
[12:51] <tanlaan> Im in the configure
[12:51] <tanlaan> because its the first time running/i havent finished the configuration
[12:51] <isa> ola
[12:52] <tanlaan> so yea, i need to put in a session name, host, and select my internet type. I get session name because thats what its saved as, i get internet connection, but what about host?
[12:52] <bxnp> oke
[12:52] <isa> cual es el canal de spain?
[12:52] <bxnp> the host is the ip adres of the box you want to connecto to
[12:53] <tanlaan> so what, i could type 127.00.00.1 to connect to my own computer?
[12:53] <bxnp> you could,
[12:53] <bxnp> but then you open an session to your own box
[12:54] <jarhead-x> this is getting frustrating.
[12:54] <bxnp> but you could try it to test if everything is working
[12:54] <tanlaan> yea, thats what i would have to do atm because im on the desktop im gonna run the server off of
[12:54] <jarhead-x> the reason why i am trying out kubuntu is because the package management is supposedly WAY better than fedora
[12:54] <jarhead-x> I am having a heck of a time with it
[12:55] <jarhead-x> sudo apt-get update
[12:55] <Hasrat_USA> lol
[12:55] <bxnp> tanlaan: put in your username password
[12:55] <bxnp> fill in the screen size you want
[12:55] <jarhead-x>  The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2
[12:55] <bxnp> the kind of connection speed
[12:55] <bxnp> and if you go to the advance tab
[12:55] <Hasrat_USA> i'm a big time KDE fan but i still use GNOME's synaptics and i believe it's the best when it comes to package management
[12:55] <bxnp> enable ssl encryption tanlaan
[12:55] <tanlaan> bxnp: yea, i got all that
[12:55] <bxnp> and use maximan cache
[12:55] <tanlaan> bxnp: but it won't connect, the server isnt up
[12:56] <bxnp> oke
[12:56] <bxnp> tanlaan:
[12:56] <tanlaan> bxnp: THATS what i wanted help with :D
[12:56] <jarhead-x> anyone have an idea why I am getting  The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2
[12:56] <jarhead-x> when trying to sudo apt-get update
[12:56] <tanlaan> jarhead-x: what have you done so far after installing kubuntu?
[12:56] <bxnp> do /etc/init.d/nxserver start tanlaan
[12:57] <Tm_T> jarhead-x: Have you touched sources.list ? Can you pastebin all what does apt-get return?
[12:57] <jarhead-x> yeah...I have modified the sources.list
[12:57] <tanlaan> say nvm it IS running
[12:57] <Tm_T> jarhead-x: Pastebin that too then.
[12:57] <Tm_T> !paste
[12:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:58] <bxnp> btw do you have an ssh server running tanlaan
[12:58] <bxnp> because it should
[12:58] <tanlaan> i just ran "sudo /etc/init.d/nxserver start" and it said it was already running
[12:58] <ubuntu> how can i use konqueror to specify a user/password to log into a samba server?
[12:58] <Tm_T> !samba
[12:58] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:58] <bxnp> oke
[12:58] <bxnp> well then its running tanlaan that is good
[12:59] <Ademan_kitchen> right my problem is with konqueror, not with samba
[12:59] <tanlaan> how do i tell what my ip address is from the CL?
[12:59] <bxnp> what is the error console give you in nxlcient when you want to connecto to localhost
[12:59] <draik> Is anyone using KTorrent right now? I don't seem to have the Download/Upload/Search tabs.
[12:59] <Ademan_kitchen> ifconfig
[12:59] <Tm_T> Ademan_kitchen: There's nothing related to that?
[12:59] <Ademan_kitchen> draik: i'm using it as we speak
[12:59] <Tm_T> Ademan_kitchen: I know basicly nothing about samba, sorry. ;(
[01:00] <Ademan_kitchen> Tm_T: haha its ok
[01:00] <Tm_T> Ademan_kitchen: I try to avoid such things as much as possible. :)
[01:01] <jarhead-x> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9946/
[01:01] <Ademan_kitchen> i have to back up my home directory from this computer onto my file server because envy (the driver installer) ruined the computer
[01:01] <chavo> draik, the tabs are back in the latest version
[01:01] <jarhead-x> Thanks for taking a look
[01:01] <tanlaan> http://pastebin.ca/391249
[01:02] <tanlaan> i think my router is blocking the port
[01:02] <Ademan_kitchen> tanlaan: are you behind the same router as the ssh computer?
[01:02] <tanlaan> yes technically, right now im ON the ssh computer
[01:02] <bxnp> tanlaan:
[01:02] <Ademan_kitchen> because no matter how hard i tried, i couldn't get my router to let ssh connectiosn through
[01:03] <bxnp> start the ssh server on that machine
[01:03] <bxnp> /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:03] <bxnp> its not running so the connection is refused
[01:03] <tanlaan> fark
[01:03] <bxnp> start it and connect again
[01:03] <tanlaan> no ssh client
[01:04] <tanlaan> or atleast in init.d
[01:04] <bxnp> that is the server when you start it
[01:05] <bxnp> oke do well install the ssh server tanlaan
[01:05] <Tm_T> jarhead-x: Looks nice, I assume you would like to enable security repos for universe and multiverse too though.
[01:05] <draik> chavo: I have the latest version
[01:05] <jarhead-x> ok cool
[01:05] <tanlaan> bxnp: just ran "sudo apt-get install ssh"
[01:06] <jarhead-x> I wonder if my content filter isn't borking up the gpg stuff?
[01:06] <Tm_T> jarhead-x: Also, it seems to me that us-mirror has some broken content perhaps? Try removing 'us' part from broken repositories.
[01:06] <Tm_T> content filter?
[01:06] <jarhead-x> dansguardian
[01:06] <Tm_T> Hm?
[01:06] <jarhead-x> going to bypass that quick
[01:06] <Tm_T> Ok.
[01:07] <Tm_T> Anyway, try fiddle about those repositories. :)
[01:07] <bxnp> tanlaan: do sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:07] <bxnp> you need that one
[01:07] <tanlaan> got it to work
[01:07] <Tm_T> Ok. I'm heading to bed, kids, remember to behave and have fun. ->
[01:08] <tanlaan> bxnp: shouldnt need any more help :D
[01:08] <tanlaan> bxnp: thank you for your time
[01:08] <bxnp> what is it working
[01:08] <space_ninja> how do set up the computer so it will automatically shutdown a certain time?
[01:08] <tanlaan> im gonna go try it with my laptop
[01:08] <space_ninja> at a
[01:08] <tanlaan> bxnp: I successfully connected to my computer
[01:09] <bxnp> and you have your kde desktop
[01:09] <Hasrat_USA> damn i wanna buy a touch screen monitor and run beryl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk
[01:10] <tanlaan> bxnp: yes, but im running gnome *on ubuntu, just like #kubuntu better its nicer :D*
[01:10] <bxnp> oke np, glad to be of services
[01:10] <bxnp> btw you could combine this with hamachi
[01:11] <bxnp> if you are behind routers and dont want to open up port ssh to the internet
[01:12] <bxnp> tabr: you are still here
[01:13] <tabr> bxnp yes
[01:13] <bxnp> oke your mysql problem
[01:13] <bxnp> is not solved yet
[01:14] <tabr> bxnp i think, its maybe broken package ...removing from cache a re-downloading...
[01:14] <tabr> sorry for my english....
[01:15] <morvok> can anyone tell me why I keep getting a popup saying sound server cpu overloading?
[01:16] <morvok> the sound keeps working too.
[01:21] <StavFX> hm, i just installed Kubuntu (<-- completely new to linux) and the first thing on my list is to get audio working, can anyone help?
[01:21] <bxnp> what kind of audio card do you have
[01:21] <morvok> mine worked outa the box.
[01:21] <jhutchins> StavFX: Well, we don't know what audio hardware you have, or what it's doing (as opposed to not doing)...
[01:22] <jhutchins> StavFX: All I had to do was move the balance slider off center.
[01:22] <StavFX> yeah i figured it should work just like that and i thought maybe there's a known bug. but anyway, i'm using an old Creative sound blaster 128
[01:22] <bxnp> oke
[01:23] <bxnp> well i think its already working
[01:23] <StavFX> and there's no sound at all
[01:23] <bxnp> go to the console
[01:23] <bxnp> do alt f2
[01:23] <StavFX> ok
[01:23] <bxnp> type konsole
[01:23] <StavFX> yeah i'm in there lol. i'm not THAT new
[01:23] <bxnp> oke well you said so yourself, so i thought i spell it all out lol
[01:24] <bxnp> anyway StavFX
[01:24] <StavFX> but actually keep explaining that specificly xD
[01:24] <bxnp> do alsamixer
[01:24] <bxnp> type alsamixer in the console
[01:24] <bxnp> under the bar what do you see
[01:24] <StavFX> alright i'm in the mixer thing
[01:24] <bxnp> if you read mm
[01:25] <bxnp> that means that its muted
[01:25] <bxnp> so now sound will play
[01:25] <bxnp> you have to type the letter m to unmute it
[01:25] <StavFX> Master vol wasn't muted
[01:25] <bxnp> and pcm
[01:26] <StavFX> no
[01:26] <bxnp> oke,
[01:26] <StavFX> on the right, Center is muted tho
[01:26] <bxnp> ehm, unmute it
[01:27] <StavFX> how do i do that
[01:27] <bxnp> increase the volume with the arrow but dont move it into the red
[01:27] <bxnp> only green
[01:27] <bxnp> wich has a value of 77
[01:28] <StavFX> crap i pressed C and it decreased one side of the master volume, how do i turn it back?
[01:28] <bxnp> z
[01:28] <bxnp> press z
[01:29] <StavFX> ok
[01:29] <tanlaan> bxnp: hey do you know if there is a way to make the sound not play through the server computer but from the remote computer?
[01:29] <bxnp> yes that is all possible
[01:29] <tanlaan> where are the settings to change?
[01:29] <bxnp> but you need a client who is able to recieve it
[01:29] <StavFX> so set it to 77 or not? because 77 is where it hits red
[01:30] <bxnp> ehm something around there
[01:30] <StavFX> well either way there's still no sound
[01:30] <bxnp> ehm
[01:31] <StavFX> i even plugged another set of speakers to the onboard sound card to see if it's coming from there, but nothying
[01:31] <morvok> the sound card listed is lspci?
[01:31] <bxnp> oh you have two cards
[01:31] <bxnp> yes do a lspci
[01:31] <bxnp> tanlaan: but you where talking about nxclient you want to hear the sound of your gnome desktop in your remoe session
[01:31] <crazy_bus> what is the best kubuntu program to burn a video file into a dvd watchable on a standard player
[01:31] <intelikey> i see in /var/log/  a subdir named 'unattended-upgrades'   please tell me that ubuntu doesn't do that by default ?
[01:32] <tanlaan> bxnp: yes, atm it is coming out of my server computers speakers
[01:32] <StavFX> ah yes, it's been trying to send to the onboard until now, but there's no sound coming from there, so back to square 1
[01:32] <bxnp> ahaah
[01:32] <tanlaan> bxnp: I want it to come out of the remote computers speakers :D
[01:33] <tanlaan> bxnp: although this makes me think No Machine is a very viable thing to use for an automated house
[01:33] <bxnp> did you enable multimedia support tanlaan in the nxclient configuration
[01:33] <tanlaan> umm
[01:33] <tanlaan> ill find out :D
[01:33] <bxnp> go to the configure tab
[01:34] <bxnp> thenb go to services
[01:34] <bxnp> and there you find it
[01:34] <bxnp> same for printing
[01:34] <bxnp> and file sharing trhough the smb protocl
[01:34] <StavFX> in windows i'd just assume i'm missing a driver...?
[01:34] <tanlaan> okk, now it should work :D
[01:35] <morvok> StavFX: look for the drivers using lsmod.
[01:35] <bxnp> btw tanlaan put the cache up to the maximan
[01:35] <intelikey>                                                                  i see in /var/log/  a subdir named 'unattended-upgrades'   please tell me that ubuntu doesn't do that by default ?
[01:35] <bxnp> btw StavFX the card should be working out of the box the most easiest way is to disable the onboard sound in your bios in boot up
[01:35] <tanlaan> bxnp: oo, i did that right off the back :D
[01:35] <StavFX> morvok: can u explain? what is lsmod and how do i see which drivers are using it?
[01:36] <tanlaan> *bat
[01:36] <bxnp> lsmod is listing the modules
[01:36] <bxnp> modules like drivers StavFX
[01:36] <morvok> StavFX: type 'lsmod', it lists the modules you're kernel has loaded.
[01:36] <Aiwuu> Java
[01:36] <bxnp> for example the moduels loaded for you wifi card your motherboard et cetc
[01:36] <Aiwuu> !java
[01:36] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:36] <morvok> StavFX: look for snd_*
[01:37] <bxnp> tanlaan: you mean that you put the cache up to the maximan already
[01:37] <tanlaan> yup
[01:37] <StavFX> i found this line:  snd_page_alloc         11400  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm               i'll keep looking for more
[01:37] <bxnp> good, and is sound working tanlaan
[01:37] <darklantern> HI all, what do we know about lan printing and firewalls, i have a tricky problem
[01:38] <bxnp> we are the borg, this channel knows everything
[01:38] <darklantern> Excellent -/wring hands/
[01:38] <bxnp> the collective knowledge of this channel is vast, and growing while we speak
[01:38] <bxnp> state your problem
[01:38] <morvok> bxnp: not completely.  no one answered about my arts sound server overloading.
[01:39] <morvok> :)
[01:39] <bxnp> lol
[01:39] <StavFX> ok there a few lines with "snd" in it, but i don't know what's relevant. actually i don't understand much of the output from lsmod
[01:39] <bxnp> patience
[01:39] <darklantern> My nix box is a file a print server (ish), i can connect my xp laptops to it to print via wireless networks, new line
[01:39] <bxnp> somethimes people are a bit lazy
[01:39] <morvok> googles some more.
[01:39] <bxnp> like me, somethimes i see a problem know the answer but too tired to answer the question like know
[01:39] <bxnp> its 1.40 in the morning i need sleep so iam  off
[01:39] <darklantern> but i have installed guarddog firewall, let IPP and port 631 thru
[01:39] <Cyco> hey bxnp seems to be a bit more responsive after the "renice" - thanks
[01:40] <StavFX> noooooooooooo!!!! :P
[01:40] <tanlaan> bye bxnp
[01:40] <StavFX> later. thanks for the help :)
[01:40] <crazy_bus> can k3b burn a video file so its playable on a normal dvd player.  Or is there a better way?
[01:40] <bxnp> btw if you reboot you have to renice it again
[01:40] <bxnp> you could allso renice app's if you want
[01:40] <darklantern> when i boot the xp machine it does not connect to the printer, but if i turn off the firewall then it connects as normal, i turn the firewall back on a it still works.
[01:40] <Cyco> awesome - got it.....never thought of renice!
[01:40] <bxnp> but be sure not to renice it more then -5 or 4
[01:41] <bxnp> its a dirty work around
[01:41] <bxnp> not very elegant i must say
[01:41] <Cyco> ya i gotcha, will work for a month ya know
[01:41] <bxnp> but it works
[01:41] <Cyco> next machine will not have to worry bout limited resources
[01:41] <darklantern> I can not get the xp machine to talk through without turning off the firewall :(
[01:41] <jhutchins> bxnp: That's what nice is for.
[01:42] <bxnp> what jhutchins ?
[01:43] <StavFX> hmmm ok i'll worry about sound later. i got another question. i looked for installing WINE and it said somewhere to open Adpet and search for "wine" in the search box. but it comes up with nothing, what am i missing?
[01:43] <Cyco> stavfx have you added extra repos?
[01:43] <Cyco> or you still sitting on default
[01:43] <StavFX> default
[01:43] <bxnp> my god why is kubuntu not configuring the extra repo's as default
[01:44] <bxnp> how many times people come looking for the same answer, wich is enable to extra repo's
[01:44] <morvok> bxnp: same reason the root account is disabled.
[01:44] <StavFX> ah ha, and a quickie on how i enable those?
[01:44] <Cyco> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[01:44] <bxnp> not its just plain stupid, and trust me it will change
[01:45] <bxnp> sooner or later, they will configure those extra repo's from install
[01:45] <jake_> what program are similar to morpheus?
[01:45] <Cyco> would save some heartache!
[01:45] <philip2> hi again how do i edit my Grub menu if my windows xp installation is in sda1 (Sata;my kubuntu reside here too) ?
[01:46] <draik> How do I bring back the tabs from kTorrent?
[01:46] <darklantern> ttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[01:46] <darklantern> Oops should read properly
[01:47] <philip2> no
[01:47] <philip2> there's no windows xp option in my grub menu
[01:47] <Orange1> wine created a directory Program Files -- how do i get in there -- cd Program Files            isnt going to work
[01:47] <Cyco> cd ~
[01:48] <Cyco> ~/.wine/drive_c
[01:48] <Cyco> phillip http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[01:48] <bxnp> morvok: there are question's ask in every linux distro channel on this server, wich are asked over and over again, only because those distro builders dont listen to what people want
[01:48] <Cyco> look down there is as section on adding xp to grub
[01:48] <Orange1> cyco: whats the rest
[01:48] <bxnp> and its cross distrubutions
[01:49] <Orange1> cyco: i want to put  some files into 'Program Files'
[01:49] <Cyco> right
[01:49] <Cyco> cd into home directory, /.wine/drive_c and do an ls
[01:49] <Cyco> Program Files is within
[01:49] <Orange1> yep
[01:49] <Orange1> Cyco: im at the door - how do i get inside
[01:50] <Cyco> or in konqueror go to view, show hidden files, you will see your .wine
[01:50] <Cyco> folder for the gui
[01:50] <Cyco> i cannot explain how to copy files
[01:50] <Cyco> man cp
[01:50] <philip2> thanks ill be back later
[01:50] <Orange1> how do i get inside 'Program Files'
[01:50] <Cyco> cd
[01:50] <Cyco> cd P then press tab
[01:50] <StavFX> cyco: that link doesn't show the "easy way" for Kubuntu, it looks different on Ubuntu
[01:50] <Cyco> what easy way?
[01:50] <StavFX> apt-get
[01:50] <Orange1> cd Program\ Files/
[01:51] <Orange1> thats all i needed to know
[01:51] <Orange1> i didnt know about \
[01:51] <Cyco> cool
[01:51] <StavFX> or using the Adept Manager
[01:51] <Cyco> aaahh yes
[01:51] <Cyco> well its good to know the working of adept
[01:51] <Orange1> isnt .wine suppose to be at /home/USERNAME/.wine  ??
[01:52] <Cyco> yes
[01:52] <Orange1> should i move it -  or will something break
[01:52] <Cyco> where is it currently
[01:52] <Cyco> type pwd
[01:52] <Orange1>  /root
[01:53] <Cyco> and .wine is located there -  i find that hard to believe
[01:53] <Orange1> root@Orange:~# pwd
[01:53] <Orange1> /root
[01:53] <Cyco> type whoami
[01:53] <StavFX> alright so how do i add the extra repo's in adept manager?
[01:54] <Orange1> orange@Orange:~$ whoami
[01:54] <Orange1> orange
[01:54] <Cyco> view - - manage repos STAVFX
[01:54] <StavFX> yeah i'm there, what do i add/change?
[01:55] <Orange1> uncomment all of them
[01:55] <Cyco> yes
[01:55] <Orange1> should be like 4
[01:55] <Orange1> you can right click them and hit enable
[01:55] <Cyco> thanks orange
[01:55] <Orange1> back to installing flash 8 with wine
[01:55] <StavFX> uncommet?
[01:56] <Orange1> StavFX: just right click on them and hit enable
[01:56] <StavFX> all of them?
[01:56] <Orange1> StavFX: on the ones that have a url in them - yes
[01:56] <Cyco> orange so did you get the .wine issue resolved?
[01:56] <Jucato> Orange1: Flash 8 w/ wine? you mean the Flash player?
[01:56] <Orange1> Cyco: gonna leave it at root -- its not really a problem i guess
[01:56] <StavFX> ah there are only 6. ok so enable everything i guess
[01:57] <Orange1> Jucato: i mean the program to develop flash
[01:57] <Jucato> aah
[01:57] <Cyco> do you have a .wine in your home/orange dir
[01:57] <Orange1> Jucato: want the working guide?
[01:57] <Orange1> Cyco: i do not
[01:57] <Jucato> Orange1: nah no thanks. :)
[01:58] <Cyco> i would try copying the dir to your home, recursive
[01:58] <StavFX> ok i enabled everything, apply and fetch updates, but wine still isn't in the list
[01:58] <Cyco> if you run wine program.exe as normal user it will read out of home/orange
[01:59] <Orange1> sudo wine is required now?
[01:59] <Orange1> StavFX: just a sec
[01:59] <morvok> reboot.. think I found what was triggering the sound server cpu failure.
[01:59] <Cyco> i don't know, i don't know how it got added to /root
[01:59] <Cyco> did you enable root account?
[01:59] <StavFX> i'm waiting :)
[01:59] <Cyco> yes adept is slow, learn apt-cache search
[01:59] <bxnp> morvok: is there a legal reason why the extra repo's are not enabled by default
[02:00] <Orange1> StavFX: go to terminal and type
[02:00] <Orange1> StavFX: wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[02:00] <Orange1> including that - at the end
[02:01] <Orange1> don't forget that dash after the word 'add'
[02:01] <StavFX> alright
[02:01] <StavFX> said OK
[02:01] <Orange1> StavFX: next type
[02:01] <Orange1> StavFX: sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/edgy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list
[02:02] <StavFX> done
[02:02] <Orange1> StavFX: sudo apt-get update
[02:02] <Orange1> sudo apt-get install wine
[02:02] <Orange1> and you set
[02:03] <StavFX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:03] <Orange1> close adapt
[02:03] <Orange1> or synaptic
[02:03] <StavFX> oh my bad ^^;
[02:03] <Orange1> and do sudo apt-get install wine
[02:03] <Orange1> its like 9mbs i think
[02:03] <tabr> bxnp : 12.03.2007 03:00:16	megaserver	/etc/init.d/mysql[6171] 	0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in 12.03.2007 03:00:16	megaserver	/etc/init.d/mysql[6171] 	Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[02:04] <StavFX> awesome! tyvm :)
[02:04] <Orange1> np
[02:04] <StavFX> my windows drives are read only, how do i change that?
[02:04] <Cyco> what is in your /etc/fstab
[02:05] <Cyco> (/dev/hdb1       /media/data     vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=000       0       0)
[02:05] <StavFX> UUID=6ADCB3C5DCB38A39 /media/sdb2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0
[02:06] <bxnp> tabr: i am on my way to my bed
[02:06] <StavFX> oh and there's a 1 at the end
[02:06] <bxnp> Cyco: could you help tabr
[02:06] <morvok> @yay
[02:06] <tabr> bxnp ok, thanks
[02:07] <Cyco> ya np
[02:07] <Cyco> later bxnp
[02:07] <bxnp> adios everybody happy kubuntu :)
[02:08] <StavFX> thx ^_^
[02:08] <Cyco> stavfx you want this mounted at boot, with everyone read/write
[02:08] <StavFX> alright, how do i go about that?
[02:08] <Cyco> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[02:09] <StavFX> ntfs-3g?  what does that do?
[02:09] <Cyco> read write support for ntfs
[02:09] <StavFX> oh wait it didn't find the package
[02:10] <Cyco> hmm hold
[02:10] <StavFX> holding
[02:10] <Orange1> StavFX: what you trying to install?
[02:10] <StavFX> nothing yet
[02:10] <StavFX> just want the access
[02:10] <jake_> please any idea newbie tips for using beryl
[02:10] <Cyco> ntfs-3g - Third generation Linux NTFS driver
[02:10] <Cyco> its in my cache
[02:11] <StavFX> oh yeah, i'm going to try and install beryl pretty soon :)
[02:11] <Cyco> hmm lemme see what repo that is in, or antoher method
[02:11] <Cyco> beryl is fun you nvidia or ati
[02:11] <StavFX> ati
[02:11] <Cyco> nice
[02:11] <Orange1> lol
[02:11] <Cyco> newer card ?
[02:11] <StavFX> no, 9800 XT
[02:11] <Orange1> isnt ATi the one with issues
[02:12] <Orange1> or more workarounds then nVidia
[02:12] <Cyco> not heard many problems with 9800xt stav
[02:12] <Cyco> you should be ok
[02:12] <StavFX> cool
[02:12] <StavFX> anyway, i'm still not to that point yet
[02:13] <NightBird> beryl supports using the nvidia card to accelerate directly...
[02:13] <StavFX> i think i'll work on getting some sort of sound to come out before i make everything pretty :)
[02:13] <Orange1> NightBird: thats how i setup mine
[02:13] <NightBird> or alglx... or xgl
[02:13] <StavFX> oh, so nvidia would be better for all the eye-candy progs?
[02:13] <StavFX> or is there something that does the same thing but is better for ati?
[02:14] <NightBird> StavFX: not nessisarily.... but it's easier to set up
[02:14] <StavFX> ah
[02:14] <Cyco> both cards/drivers handle aiglx and xgl
[02:14] <Cyco> stay away from xgl though
[02:14] <NightBird> yeah
[02:14] <NightBird> also, nvidia supports composites built in while ati's driver doesn't..
[02:14] <jake_> if ithe wndow manager to beryl, it seens that no effect
[02:14] <Cyco> as it is adding another layer to your X session and renders other openGL apps useless
[02:14] <StavFX> well like i said, i'm just putting on my boots and already looking at the summit, gotta take it easy :)
[02:15] <tabr> can anybody help me to start mysql server?
[02:15] <NightBird> so if you want 3d acceleration using the ati, you have to disable composites
[02:15] <bxnp> btw i was thinking is beryl running on a nvidia gforece 1
[02:15] <Cyco> tabr lookin into it
[02:15] <Orange1> NightBird: i setup beryl with xgl but it wouldnt load at login - it would just crash at desktop -- then i found the guide to install just with nvidia cards and did it without removing anything -- now i wont touch beryl or something might break (Working now)
[02:15] <Cyco> geforce1 bxnp!
[02:15] <bxnp> yes Cyco
[02:15] <Cyco> lol
[02:15] <bxnp> i have a spare one ovehere
[02:15] <Cyco> nice !
[02:15] <Cyco> i have a 2 @ work pumpin beryl
[02:15] <NightBird> yeah, xgl uses an OpenGL context, so unless your card supports multiple OpenGL contexts, you won't have 3d acceleration in any opengl programs when running xgl
[02:16] <StavFX> so Cyco, back to the NTFS access thing
[02:16] <Cyco> ah yes
[02:16] <Cyco> beryl distractions
[02:16] <StavFX> lol i know
[02:16] <tabr> Cyco hmm..what? Problems with my english.....
[02:16] <NightBird> I normally don't mess with it though too much...
[02:17] <NightBird> reduces my battery life by a fair chunk
[02:17] <bxnp> btw tabr go to the mysql channel its better and faster for your answer i guess
[02:17] <Cyco> i am still  researching your sql problem
[02:17] <Cyco> only 1 brain - 10 requests
[02:17] <bxnp> go catch the expert people tabr
[02:17] <bxnp> :)] 
[02:17] <Cyco> yes!
[02:17] <Cyco> lol
[02:18] <tabr> bxnp ok....but how? Can you give me a link?
[02:18] <Orange1> lol
[02:18] <bxnp>  do /join #mysql
[02:18] <Orange1> link to expert ppl
[02:18] <StavFX> rofl
[02:18] <bxnp> its a channel on the server tabr
[02:18] <bxnp> just like kubuntu
[02:18] <StavFX> WTB [Expert Ppl] 
[02:18] <StavFX> lol sry, too much wow
[02:19] <jake_> guys if i change my window manager to beryl, it seems that no effect or nothing happens, and the minimize, maximize, close icons are dissapeared
[02:19] <Cyco> stav did you look up the 3g ntfs driver?
[02:19] <StavFX> i would, if i had any idea where to start and what to do
[02:19] <Orange1> jake_: theres a checklist of fixes for the toolbar missing - worked for me
[02:19] <Orange1> jake_: give me a sec to get it
[02:20] <tabr> bxnp Found. Thanks
[02:20] <Cyco> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&highlight=write+ntfs STAVFX
[02:20] <StavFX> sweeeet
[02:20] <tabr> StavFX http://ntfs3g.org/
[02:21] <StavFX> alright my lesson: google more, bother ppl less
[02:21] <Cyco> add edgy entry to source list,  then sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g, then /dev/<your partition>     /media/<mount point>     ntfs-3g     defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[02:21] <crazy_bus> how come when I used devede it said it used all the space avaible in the program but when I burnt it to a 4.7gb disc it only used around half the space?
[02:21] <Orange1> jake_: do you have nvidia or xgl?
[02:21] <StavFX> "add edgy entry to source list"?  lost you
[02:22] <Cyco> do you knkow any text editors?
[02:22] <Cyco> vi, nano
[02:22] <Cyco> ?
[02:22] <Orange1> nano is easier
[02:22] <jake_> i dont know, im a newbie but i think, ive installed xgl
[02:22] <Cyco> vi is easier
[02:22] <StavFX> there's this Kate thing that came with the system
[02:22] <bxnp> or just do sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:22] <Cyco> but thats a whole different discussion
[02:22] <Cyco> *thanx bxnp
[02:23] <Cyco> set -o vi - your prompt becomes vi
[02:23] <ubuntu> #kubuntu-es
[02:23] <Cyco> most powerful
[02:23] <Orange1> jake_: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_nVidia#My_windows_don.27t_have_any_decorations_.28title_bar.2C_resize_handles.2C_minimize.2Fmaximize.2Fclose_buttons.29
[02:23] <Cyco> deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all add this entry to your sources.list per bxnp instructions
[02:23] <jake_> Orange1: how do i know that im using xgl?
[02:24] <StavFX> alright so what's after sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:24] <jake_> Orange1:  i dont know, im a newbie but i think, ive installed xgl
[02:24] <Cyco> after your are done adding your fstab entry with ntfs 3g driver type this sudo umount -a && sudo mount -a
[02:24] <Cyco> ok do you have that page up i sent
[02:24] <Orange1> jake_: I dont know much about linux - i just follow guides for all the problems i get (or ask here) -- but i had the same/similar problem of no titlebar -- this fix'd it on the first step
[02:25] <kutu> #kubuntu-es
[02:25] <StavFX> i'll just go look at the page for a sec and follow the stuff there
[02:25] <Cyco> yes follow manual config
[02:25] <Cyco> for the install
[02:25] <Cyco> its plain as day after that
[02:26] <jake_> Orange1: ok thanx a lot, so your beryl running normally now?
[02:26] <joh1> how do i get that new firefox setup with mplayer to work right ?
[02:26] <Whiz2> I'm trying to use .PHP files on Kubuntu using lighttpd, but do not know how to get PHP, and lighttpd to work together, or how to install PHP with it
[02:26] <Cyco> remember after you are done type this to mount your hard drive again with r/w  permissions-->sudo umount -a && sudo mount -a
[02:26] <Orange1> jake_: yes - but i spent a lot of time customizing the beryl install
[02:27] <Orange1> jake_: since xgl didnt work for me
[02:28] <StavFX> i get Device Busy when i try to unmount
[02:29] <bxnp> do lsof <name of the device> StavFX
[02:30] <Cyco> bxnp is the sql question answered?
[02:30] <jake_> Orange1: its very complicated, i cant hold, or even type a message here when i try to change the win manager to beryl
[02:30] <Cyco> i have a link for him which could be of use
[02:30] <bxnp> dunno, tabr is your question answered in the mysql channel
[02:30] <StavFX> bxnp, what does that do?
[02:30] <Cyco> tabr check this link out if your still around.  http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-698.html
[02:31] <StavFX> and how do i know the device name?
[02:31] <bxnp> well he is gettings help overthrere
[02:31] <bxnp> however the mysql channel is a bit more strict then this one
[02:31] <BluesKaj> what's the command to uninstall and remove a dpkg ?
[02:31] <BluesKaj> it's not in the repos
[02:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: if you installed a package using dpkg, it will be added in the list of installed packages in adept or apt-get. you can either use apt-get/Adept or dpkg -r
[02:32] <Cyco> if you want to remove config files purge it as to remove it blue
[02:34] <BluesKaj> Jucato, sorry it's not a deb pkg ...it's a tar.bz2
[02:34] <StavFX> i get a bunch of errors when trying to run ntfs-config
[02:34] <Cyco> i see you over there bxnp so you are the expert undercover!
[02:34] <Aiwuu> err... if i installed java-runtime ... why i dont see java things in firefox?!
[02:34] <Cyco> stavfx did you follow the manual config?
[02:34] <StavFX> still looking at it, hold on
[02:34] <joh1> i want middle click to push window to the back of other windows... can i do that ?
[02:34] <lontra> !medibuntu
[02:34] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[02:34] <Cyco> forget config
[02:35] <Cyco> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[02:35] <Cyco> do that next stav
[02:35] <Cyco> and then edit your /etc/fstab and replace the line with ntfs partition with this           /dev/<your partition>     /media/<mount point>     ntfs-3g     defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[02:35] <Cyco> put a # in front of the old one in case you need it later
[02:37] <Orange1> jake_: i think your suppose to install aquamarine as the window manager for kde desktops
[02:37] <Orange1> jake_: emerald is for gnome based desktops
[02:37] <Jucato> aquamarine is a window decoration for the beryl window manager
[02:38] <Orange1> ya
[02:38] <Jucato> although both emerald and aquamarine can work on KDE
[02:38] <jake_> Orange1: isit in the repos also?
[02:39] <Jucato> aquamarine's advantage is that it will let you use KWin window decorations/themes
[02:39] <StavFX> yay!! it's working!
[02:39] <Cyco> voila
[02:39] <StavFX> thanks guys!
[02:39] <Orange1> jucato can better help you.. he seems more knowledgable
[02:39] <Whiz2> Can php5 work together with lighttpd web server on kubuntu?
[02:40] <StavFX> ok now what should i tackle next :)
[02:40] <Jucato> Orange1: nah. I'm not...
[02:40] <Jucato> I only used beryl for 2 days :D
[02:40] <Cyco> haha THE WORLD
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Orange1: no Jucato is just a poser :) kidding
[02:40] <Jucato> yeah Admiral_Chicago is the ultimate knowledgeable guy in here :D
[02:40] <Orange1> jake_: can you open beryl-manager?
[02:40] <Jucato> so you all should bother him instead
[02:40] <Whiz2> I'll bother him. :-p
[02:41] <jake_> Orange1:  yes and theres a red diamon apears on the taskbar,
[02:41] <Whiz2> i need a little help configuring php5 to work with lighttpd web server
[02:41] <Orange1> can you get into the settings?
[02:41] <Whiz2> for which one?
[02:41] <Whiz2> php5?
[02:41] <orient2000> !beryl
[02:41] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:42] <Whiz2> oh you're not talking to me
[02:42] <Orange1> sry Whiz2
[02:42] <Whiz2> is ok
[02:42] <StavFX> ok i'm gonna try and install beryl now, let's hope i don't break anything
[02:42] <jake_> Orange1: do you mean "beryl  setting manager?
[02:42] <Orange1> jake_: yes
[02:42] <absolutroot> does anyone know if ndiswrapper in kubuntu edgy is broken like in the gnome release?
[02:43] <Cyco> whats your beaf whiz
[02:43] <jake_> Orange1: yes and then?
[02:43] <Orange1> absolutroot: i use ndiswrapper to load my wifi dell draftn drivers
[02:43] <Aiwuu> err... if i installed java-runtime ... why i dont see java things in firefox?!
[02:43] <Orange1> jake_: just checking if u can open them
[02:43] <Whiz2> using lighttpd web server in kubuntu, and trying to figure out how to make php pages work correctly
[02:43] <lontra> strigi doesn't seem to be very good in feisty...
[02:44] <Cyco> do you have php5 instalelD?
[02:44] <Aiwuu> me?, no :(
[02:44] <Whiz2> just now installed it, and about to reboot, but al i saw were packages for apache in the install
[02:44] <absolutroot> in ubuntu, i tried the fix for it, but if would freeze on boot and i would have to mount the hard drive from live cd and delete the conf files for my wifi card
[02:45] <Cyco> so you have php5 and lighthttpd installed?
[02:45] <Cyco> whats the problem you are encountering
[02:45] <jake_> Orange1: yes i can, one thin is, if i choose the beryl as win manager, everything seems stuck
[02:45] <Orange1> you have problems clicking on things?
[02:45] <jake_> yes
[02:46] <jake_> i cant even type amessage
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: yes, I can take all questions
[02:46] <voidmage> jake_: does it go back to kwin after about a minute?
[02:46] <Whiz2> not sure if i'm going to have to change/add settings to ligttpd in order for it to work... gonna reboot to find out... was originally asking how to install it. ;-p
[02:46] <Cyco> If you're using php5-cgi, all you need is change your "bin-path" at your configuration (Debian uses /usr/bin/php4-cgi as default).
[02:46] <Cyco> http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP bookmark that so when you come back up we shall see
[02:46] <Cyco> why the reboot?
[02:46] <jake_> yes
[02:47] <Orange1> when that happened to me - i just went to the red diamond -> advance beryl options and picked disable gl yield and anything anti xlg
[02:47] <joh1> i need to use mplayer to get firefox to play all media files right ? i cant use gstreamer can i ?
[02:47] <Whiz2> I didn't install php5-cgi. just php5 and all required packages for it
[02:48] <Camile_> hi
[02:48] <Camile_> whats up?
[02:48] <Cyco> hey whiz i gotta go to bed
[02:48] <Cyco> i wish you luck,
[02:48] <Camile_> bb
[02:48] <Whiz2> ty
[02:48] <Cyco> later kubuntees
[02:49] <jake_> Orange1: where is it again?
[02:49] <Orange1> when that happened to me - i just went to the red diamond -> advance beryl options and picked disable gl yield and anything anti xlg
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy Admiral_Chicago , looking for a way to uninstall upstart 3.7 ... seems it corrupted a line my fstab file which keeps popping up when i try to install or make
[02:50] <jake_> Orange1: i couldnt see it
[02:52] <Orange1> you dont see advance beryl options?
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: what release? Dapper I assume
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> also, what guide did you use?
[02:53] <BluesKaj> edgy
[02:54] <stavfx> ok silly question...after i installed Beryl, how do i actually run it?
[02:54] <Orange1> jake_:  you dont see advance beryl options?
[02:54] <Orange1> stavfx: sudo beryl-manager
[02:54] <alakhia> I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy ... but I don't see kde control panel in start menu anymore
[02:55] <jake_> Orange1: i saw but where is the disable gl yield and anything?
[02:55] <stavfx> woah, a lot of failed stuff
[02:55] <Orange1> screenshot time - sec
[02:57] <stavfx> umm...i don't see anything special
[02:59] <stavfx> alright i think it's safe to say it's not working
[02:59] <Orange1> jake_: make sure you put the picture to display at actual size or its gonna be too squished to read
[02:59] <jake_> Orange1: it doesnt appear on me
[02:59] <joh1>  Click Applications  Add/Remove. Select Other and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK.
[02:59] <joh1> i go to "others" and it shows me only a few applications
[02:59] <joh1> i dont see "ubuntu restricted extras" anywhere....
[03:00] <Dr_willis> what version of ubuntu did you install?
[03:00] <nick_> hey jon
[03:00] <joh1> who me ?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> or are you using synaptic or adept?
[03:00] <Orange1> type in terminal --                  beryl --version
[03:00] <joh1> idk the latest...
[03:00] <joh1> adept
[03:00] <jake_> Orange1: one sec. brb
[03:01] <joh1> 6.10
[03:01] <Whiz2> ok so I really do need help lol
[03:01] <Dr_willis> joh1,  thers several 'friendly' ways to enable repos.. or you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file (which I find easier) :)
[03:01] <jake_> Orange1: beryl-core 0.1.9999.2
[03:01] <jon_> hey can anyone help, I have an external drive and when I try to access it it says "Unable to enter file:///media/New Volume.  you do not have access rights to this location
[03:01] <joh1> oh Dr_willis this is chino wasn't i talking to you the other day ?
[03:01] <Orange1> we have same version
[03:02] <Dr_willis> joh1,  i hang in here so much.. i cant even rember. :)
[03:02] <joh1> Dr_willis:  yea give me the list if you want and ill add it my self ?
[03:02] <joh1> Dr_willis:  yea remember i was asking a bunch of questions and i was talking about using linux for like 6 years
[03:02] <joh1> ah whatever
[03:03] <Orange1> jake_: i dont know how to fix your problem ;( -- and i dont want to break anything cuz then i would feel bad for telling you to do something to make it worst
[03:03] <joh1> Dr_willis:  the web site didn't tell me to install anything into my sources list
[03:04] <StavFX> when i type sudo beryl-manager i get a bunch of BadDevice and invalid input device errors..
[03:04] <Dr_willis> joh1,  thats what the 'friendly front ends' are actually doing.
[03:05] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: edgy uses upstart out the box
[03:05] <jon_> hey can anyone help, I have an external drive and when I try to access it it says "Unable to enter file:///media/New Volume.  you do not have access rights to this location
[03:05] <joh1> Dr_willis:  but like i just said there is no "unrestricted" area....
[03:05] <Dr_willis> its amazing how FEW issues ive heard of upstart
[03:05] <Orange1> StavFX: beryl --test-only
[03:05] <jake_> Orange1: lol what happen to mine
[03:05] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry, was emailing
[03:05] <StavFX> no composite extension
[03:06] <Dr_willis> joh1,  i dont use the front ends.. to enable the 'restricted' and otehr repos the sources.list file has some lines similer to -->  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted
[03:06] <Dr_willis> edgy, main, restricted are the  various repositorie catagories.
[03:06] <StavFX> Orange: Checking for XComposite extension               : failed
[03:06] <joh1> are they by default commented out or somthing ?
[03:06] <StavFX> you know what this is about?
[03:07] <Dr_willis> joh1,  i would just back up your existing soruces.list and use teh  !easysource site to generate full ones with all enabled
[03:07] <jake_> Orange1: can you teach me how'd you take the pic of your screen? ill send it to you
[03:07] <Dr_willis> joh1,  you got it. disabled by default
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, Admiral_Chicago ,this version is an upgrade to the installed one
[03:07] <Orange1> StavFX: that guy said earlier that ati has no composite support
[03:07] <joh1> Dr_willis:  what web site is that /
[03:07] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[03:07] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:07] <StavFX> oh...
[03:07] <Orange1> jake_: hit 'printscrn' on your keyboard
[03:08] <kRush> is anyone using envy to keep their nvidia drivers up to date? it won't start here with a rather long error output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9968/ - how do I fix this?
[03:08] <Whiz2> Using lighttpd, and newly installed php5 (only with required packages) and have no idea how to make them work together. Anyone know how to configure them?
[03:08] <jake_> Orange1: lol, see im a newbie.
[03:08] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: you should be using it then...
[03:09] <Orange1> jake_: so am i -- i just read every post and article i can find for many many hours til i can fix it
[03:09] <Admiral_Chicago> part of the update installs the upstart patch
[03:09] <Orange1> should be illegal for someone at my level to give aid to others
[03:09] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[03:10] <Orange1> Admiral_Chicago: dont leave me!
[03:10] <Whiz2> I need a little help here. :-p
[03:10] <Whiz2> no pressure of course
[03:11] <joh1> Bazaar NG     wttffff is that ?
[03:11] <jon_> hey can anyone help, I have an external drive and when I try to access it it says "Unable to enter file:///media/New Volume.  you do not have access rights to this location
[03:11] <jon_> if I go into root it then says I don't have enough permissions
[03:11] <BluesKaj> well ok , maybe something else created the fstab prob line 18 :  /dev/partition /media/mount point ntfs-3g silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0  <-- this last 0 is in red in the etc/fstab file ...what's wrong ?
[03:12] <Whiz2> jon_: Are you using konqueror as your file browser?
[03:13] <jon_> yeah
[03:14] <joh1> i still dont see that option all i see in the others category is a list of applications not a list of categories
[03:14] <Whiz2> jon_: have you formatted the drive using linux, and mounted it?
[03:14] <jake_> Orange1: can you give me a link of those posts, or forums
[03:15] <jon_> it was formated under windows
[03:15] <jon_> ntfs
[03:15] <joh1> Whiz2:  what ?
[03:15] <Whiz2> have you added it into your fstab?
[03:15] <chin1> lol wrong name
[03:15] <Whiz2> Sorry joh1. i was talking to jon_
[03:15] <chin1> Dr_willis: idk man i still dont see it
[03:16] <Orange1> jake_: sure - sec
[03:16] <xanith> Ok guys, so I re-installed dapper 6.0.6, Put all the edgy repositories in it, and guess what, Opera, Wine and Beryl all work, I've installed Edgy x86 and x86_64 versions, and these same repositories will not work on it. What am I missing?
[03:16] <Whiz2> jon_: you can pm me if you like might make this convo a bit easier lol
[03:16] <Dr_willis> chin1,  see what?
[03:17] <jon_> sorry first time I have had to use this
[03:17] <jon_> how do I pm you?
[03:17] <Dr_willis> im in and out so much pm's tend to get ignored
[03:18] <Whiz2> jon_: do you have an instant messenger? we can move to one of those
[03:18] <Orange1> http://www.beryl-project.org/   http://ubuntuforum.org  http://kubuntuforums.org  http://www.linuxforums.org/
[03:18] <jake_> Orange1: thanx
[03:18] <jon_> yeah
[03:18] <eilker> !keylogger
[03:18] <jon_> msn
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keylogger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <Dr_willis> Just go to your own irc channel. :)
[03:18] <xanith> So has anyone else experienced my same problem?
[03:18] <Dr_willis> much easier
[03:18] <Orange1> and as always http://www.google.com   (though i prefer http://www.dogpile.com as my search engine
[03:18] <eilker> any keylogger for kubuntu ?
[03:18] <LjL> !lkl
[03:18] <ubotu> lkl: userspace keylogger for x86 architecture. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386)
[03:19] <Whiz2> jon_ i sent you a PM with my MSN address... check all your IRC windows
[03:19] <eilker> thanx
[03:20] <xanith> Ok guys, so I re-installed dapper 6.0.6, Put all the edgy repositories in it, and guess what, Opera, Wine and Beryl all work, I've installed Edgy x86 and x86_64 versions, and these same repositories will not work on it. What am I missing?
[03:21] <Whiz2> jon_: did you get it?
[03:21] <StavFX> i don't know what to do with beryl and this stupid XComposite extension
[03:21] <jon_> sorry dude can't find your address
[03:22] <Whiz2> anyone mind if I put it here for him?
[03:22] <chin1> how do i get flash working ?
[03:22] <chin1> flash flash flsah
[03:23] <Whiz2> jon_ : jasoncollege24@hotmail.com
[03:24] <jake_> Orange1: is my graphic cant handle beryl? im using ssavage s3
[03:27] <xanith> is anyone else using Edgy 6.1.0?
[03:27] <Orange1> jake_: never heard of that gfx card -- theres probably a list of unsupported cards on beryl site
[03:28] <chavo> jake_, I don't think thats supported
[03:28] <StavFX> orange you know what can i do to get beryl to work?
[03:28] <chin1> my firefox is crashing on flash player ........
[03:28] <xanith> can anyone see what i'm typing at all?
[03:28] <jake_> really?
[03:28] <StavFX> yeah, i'm using edgy 6.10
[03:29] <chin1> does the install for the installer not actually install it ot the firefox ?
[03:29] <xanith> StavFX: can u get beryl, opera, or wine to install from repositories?
[03:29] <StavFX> had to enable the extra repo's before i could install wine
[03:30] <jake_> but the site says if you have 3d then your system is supported
[03:30] <xanith> StavFX: yea i have the extra repo's enabled, but it gives me like 404 errors and GPG errors on those three things
[03:30] <xanith> StavFX: I don't know what i'm doing wrong, i enabled the same repo's in dapper and they work fine
[03:31] <StavFX> are you looking for them thru Adpet manager?
[03:31] <chin1> automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes
[03:31] <chin1> whats that ?
[03:32] <xanith> StavFX: they don't show up in Adept Manager or apt-get
[03:32] <malik_> whats the equilant of google earth?..........any 1 have any idea?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> google earth linux
[03:32] <malik_> :) yes i know but any other product than that?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> I have it installed
[03:33] <Cobra_Bubbles> hrm
[03:33] <Cobra_Bubbles> I wonder...
[03:33] <malik_> so have i .......im using it but it has old maps i wanted to see if some other service have updated ones
[03:33] <StavFX> sry xanith i'm very new to this myself, i don't even remember what i did to get it working, just followed a bunch of commands the more knowledgeable guys here gave me
[03:33] <Cobra_Bubbles> Do 3-foot-tal metal Wifi antennas exist?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> why malik_ , there is no other that can compete
[03:33] <Cobra_Bubbles> Preferably Mag-mount...to mount on my car
[03:33] <xanith> StavFX: haha thanks anyway, i guess i'll just have to come back at a time where more people are in here
[03:34] <Dr_willis> Cobra_Bubbles,  i dont think they need to be near that long. to be effective
[03:34] <malik_> what abt MS virtual earth................i heard abt that but cant find it on th net
[03:34] <chin1> common guys i thought this was all supposed to be seemless.... it sure does "seem less"
[03:34] <StavFX> i'm gonna try and run wow with wine now, google time.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> chin1,  that the 'to fiesty update' ?
[03:34] <malik_> whattttttttttttt fiesty out already?
[03:35] <sidnelson> hi everyone ...
[03:35] <chin1> Dr_willis:  update-flashplugin
[03:35] <Dr_willis> malik_,  there is a upgrader tool for it that is being worked on/tested
[03:35] <BluesKaj> malik_, don't there is a linux version , unless you want to run wine , that'll slow it down considerably
[03:35] <Cobra_Bubbles> I'd get INSANE FREAKING RANGE on it though
[03:35] <Dr_willis> chin1,  you are trying to update  flash from within the browser?
[03:36] <chin1> Dr_willis:  i installed that package and tried to run it and tits telling me that
[03:36] <chin1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[03:36] <sidnelson> i install the gnome ( apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ) and the problem is that some kde programs dont open anymore like kopete
[03:36] <Dr_willis> !flash
[03:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:36] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:37] <sidnelson> kopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4: undefined symbol: _Z^6QGListC2Ev
[03:37] <sidnelson> kopete: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[03:37] <gleb_> What vervion of Kubunru shall i install from te point of view of stableness and freshness (and technical support, maybe)?
[03:37] <Dr_willis> chin1,  i belive i enael the edgy-backports repository and just apt-get install it.
[03:37] <sidnelson> i have this error message
[03:37] <molly> in KDE, how do i switch the clock from 24hr to 12hr?
[03:38] <chin1> Dr_willis:  dude wtf is "enael"
[03:38] <userund> molly, right-click clock > Time date format > Time & Dates tab > Time format
[03:39] <BluesKaj> molly, rt click on clock / date &time format
[03:39] <molly> its set to HH:MM:SS, but its telling me its 21:39
[03:39] <makuseru> !KDE
[03:39] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[03:40] <molly> ahhh i wanted it pH:MM:HH:SS AMPM
[03:40] <molly> okay, thanks guys!
[03:40] <BluesKaj> molly, choose : pH:MM:SS AMPM
[03:41] <sidnelson> i mess with my kubuntu desktop :P
[03:45] <fyrmedic> Is there a command that will tell me what my MAC address is from my onboard wireless lan?
[03:46] <drmercurio> hello
[03:46] <drmercurio> know if i can update kubuntu 6.06.1 to edgy?
[03:47] <drmercurio> can i update dapper to edgy?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> !update
[03:47] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:48] <gleb_> What vervion of Kubunru better to install ?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> gleb_,  edgyeft is the latest 'stable' version.
[03:49] <Dr_willis> gleb_,  fiesty is due out in a few months
[03:50] <gleb_> Dr_willis, in april?
[03:50] <redcard> So.. I have a dell e1405 laptop.. it's resolution is supposedly 1280x800.. but the best kubuntu is doing is 1024x768,
[03:50] <redcard> I've installed 915resolution to no avail.
[03:50] <chino> does kubuntu not come with sshd running automatically ?
[03:50] <illusion> hello
[03:51] <Dr_willis> !feisty
[03:51] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:51] <Whiz2> Anyone here know how to make php5, and lighttpd work together?
[03:52] <illusion> hey anyone can help me to run java in firefox?
[03:52] <gleb_> thanks!
[03:52] <BluesKaj> gleb, Apr 19th i think
[03:55] <chino> sshd ?
[03:56] <bonbonthejon> chino: no
[03:56] <gleb_> And is there any advantages in Dapper Drake version? What's with technical support there? Is it free? Is it available in another versions?
[03:56] <chino> bonbonthejon:  can you give me the exact command to turn it on so i can give it to my freind so i can get in remotely ?
[03:57] <bonbonthejon> chino: "sudo aptitude install ssh"
[03:57] <chino> omg its  not even installed ?
[03:57] <bonbonthejon> chino: no, its one line
[03:57] <chino> will that automatically start it up right now ?
[03:58] <bonbonthejon> chino: yes, after you isntall it, it will start automatically on boot
[03:58] <chino> what about right now ?
[03:58] <NightBird> ...can you read from /dev/null?
[03:58] <bonbonthejon> chino: after you install it, yes
[03:58] <chino> NightBird:  yea
[03:58] <NightBird> chavo: what do you get? 0?
[03:59] <chino> bonbonthejon:  have you gotten flash to work ?
[03:59] <bonbonthejon> chino: yes
[03:59] <Whiz2> I need help configuring php5, and lighttpd so that they work together correctly
[03:59] <chino> bonbonthejon: im using edgy 10.6 and i installed update-flashplugin ... but when i run it fails
[04:00] <bonbonthejon> chino: there was a package in the repos something like flash unfree, thats what I used
[04:04] <ecker> i just got me a 15" and a 19" lcd and with both ubuntu/kununtu, when i reboot as soon as i pass grub the monitors go out of range until i get to gdm. anyone know why? i change the horiz/vert sync and everything in xorg. i not really sure what the deal is
[04:04] <Berto> does anyone know how to get the clock to show 12-hour time in KDE?
[04:04] <Berto> my format is set
[04:05] <Whiz2> ecker: My LCD does the same thing. As long as it comes back on when you reach the interface, it's not a problem. just ignore it
[04:06] <Berto> oh i'm guessing i have to restart KDE from what i've read in forums.  that's weak
[04:07] <chavo> Berto, you don't have to restart, and put this for 12 hour format pH:MM
[04:07] <Berto> chavo, where are you setting that format?  I set it by right-clicking clock >> Date & Time Format
[04:07] <Berto> chavo, and then it still doesn't work.  read in the forums you gotta restart kde
[04:09] <chavo> Berto, try this first dcop kicker kicker restart
[04:09] <Berto> chavo, bravo!  thanks!
[04:09] <Thehound666> any fglrx experts here? I know that I have asked before but yet to catch one here
[04:09] <Aiwuu> how i can change my keyboard model with setxkbmap?!
[04:10] <Aiwuu> setxkbmap model pc105 layout latam?
[04:10] <malik_> does any1 here any idea which webcam works for sure with kubuntu edgy?.........i have one which is i think installed by kubuntu but i get it to work it seems, if any one can help me with that or otherwise tell me which one i should buy n it will work out of box without any tweaks?
[04:10] <Aiwuu> aff, answer XD
[04:10] <ahlalo_elyon> Anyone else having a problem with extremely slow repository speeds?  apt is taking forever
[04:11] <needhelp1> hi why do i get error 15: file not found im trying to reinstall grub
[04:11] <Thehound666> ahlalo_elyon> intermittantly but not that bad.
[04:11] <Thehound666> might depend where you are
[04:11] <ahlalo_elyon> Thehound666: Hmm.. I usually download at over 100k/sec... now I'm at about 20
[04:11] <Aiwuu> how i can change my keyboard model with setxkbmap?!
[04:12] <Thehound666> I've been doing about 400 KB/sec-bad for a 20 mbit line
[04:13] <Thehound666> ok my experience with #kubuntu suggests that this much delay before an answer means noone here is one :P
[04:15] <Thehound666> I'll ask something related then but not quite the same. Anyone know an fglrx expert I should look for when idling?
[04:16] <malik_> does any1 here any idea which webcam works for sure with kubuntu edgy?.........i have one which is i think installed by kubuntu but i get it to work it seems, if any one can help me with that or otherwise tell me which one i should buy n it will work out of box without any tweaks?
[04:16] <Thehound666> was a list but I forget the link
[04:16] <Thehound666> it was on Ubuntu.com
[04:16] <malik_> any suggestion abta webcm which i can use as plug n play ?
[04:17] <Thehound666> luckily mine worked
[04:17] <Thehound666> old but good one
[04:17] <RadiantFire> another place to check is the stuff listed as supported by v4l and v4l2
[04:18] <Thehound666> not all features work but that's to be expected with any Linux distro
[04:18] <Thehound666> still beats Vista
[04:19] <Thehound666> namely color depth switching and certain digital zoom features
[04:19] <Thehound666> oh well lol
[04:22] <jake_> how can i install themes kubuntu?
[04:22] <teufel_> flash audio ouf of sync in konqueror anybody have this problem and fixed it
[04:22] <crazy_bus> do you need external programs to burn a emovix cd with k3b.  As I tried but it wouldn't work
[04:23] <chino> how do i get javascript support in elinks ?
[04:23] <teufel_> ha nobody here to help
[04:24] <BluesKaj> emovix cd , crazy_bus ...what is that ?
[04:25] <teufel_> hmm
[04:25] <crazy_bus> its a livecd which has mplayer allowing anyone to watch the video or audio files on the disk
[04:27] <BluesKaj> why do you need a live cd with mplayer on it ...whynot just use mplayer in Kubuntu ?
[04:28] <crazy_bus> I can.  But you can give the cd to other people to watch without installing codecs.  I mainly wanted to try it for fun
[04:29] <khirr> !mp3
[04:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:29] <khirr> !amarok
[04:29] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[04:31] <Bi||aBong> i install the ati driver but now i can't open Kaffeine Media Player
[04:32] <Wingz> #ubuntu
[04:38] <malik_> since when amarok started to play dvd?
[04:42] <Berto> do ubuntu repositories have a mega english font pack?
[04:42] <Berto> and i'm talking mega!
[04:42] <Dr_willis> !find chatzilla
[04:42] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-chatzilla
[04:44] <Cobra_Bubbles> @_@X
[04:44] <Cobra_Bubbles> Will Skype work in Kubuntu?
[04:44] <Knightlust> Cobra_Bubbles: yep
[04:44] <Jucato> !skype
[04:44] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:44] <Knightlust> been using it for months now
[04:46] <khirr> i'm newbie in linux, dunno how install firefox 2
[04:46] <teufel_> yeah i would like to know how to play wmv files in firefox
[04:46] <khirr> 6.06.1, i downloadesd brz file, but i dunno how intall this
[04:46] <Jucato> khirr: are you using Kubuntu Edgy (6.10)?
[04:46] <khirr> no
[04:46] <khirr> dapper
[04:46] <Jucato> teufel_: try installing mozilla-mplayer
[04:47] <Jucato> khirr: ah...
[04:47] <alakhia> my apologies if this is not the right place for this question ... I have 3 linux boxes and I'm tired of ssh'ing and sftp'ing and typing my password everytime. What can I do?
[04:47] <Jucato> !firefox | khirr
[04:47] <ubotu> khirr: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:47] <teufel_> ok cool
[04:47] <khirr> is bad use dapper?
[04:47] <teufel_> brb
[04:47] <Jucato> khirr: it's ok. read the page on FirefoxNewVersion
[04:47] <Kamesh> [Subject: My Trash icon changed to Desktop icon, KDE 3.3, CENTOS] . Hi all, I have noticed that my Trash icon has been changed to desktop icon (NOT the functionality) and I want to bring it back. I am not sure exactly how this has happened. But I believe I was downloading some things beyond my profile space allowed and had to forcequit some applications (not sure exactly which one caused it). Can anyone help me in bringing my Transh icon back
[04:47] <BluesKaj> teufel_, http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[04:48] <Jucato> Kamesh: this is #kubuntu...
[04:48] <teufel_> cant i use sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[04:49] <alakhia> any way I can setup a network mount point so I can copy and move across linux machines?
[04:49] <Jucato> teufel_: sure you can
[04:49] <Jucato> !info mozilla-mplayer | teufel_
[04:49] <ubotu> teufel_: mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB
[04:49] <bonbonthejon> khirr: no, dapper is fine to use
[04:49] <Jucato> teufel_: but you need to enable multiverse
[04:49] <genii> Kamesh: centos <> kubuntu
[04:49] <teufel_> cool i set up kubuntu last night but im not to sure about everything
[04:50] <alakhia> anyone?
[04:50] <teufel_> my flash audio is out of sync in konqueror
[04:50] <Kamesh> I was wondering.. this could be a kde problem and people in here might help.. I have tried in #kde, #centos and #kde-devel. No one replied to my question expect in #kde
[04:50] <genii> Kamesh It's more a generic KDE issue
[04:50] <BluesKaj> !network
[04:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:50] <Jucato> Kamesh: and you will definitely not be able to get an answer here... Kubuntu is using KDE 3.5.x
[04:51] <alakhia> !nfs
[04:51] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !LAN
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <Kamesh> Thanks Jucato, genii. I will wait for a while in kde and centos
[04:51] <Cobra_Bubbles> A bit lost here
[04:51] <Jucato> Kamesh: your best bet would really be centos, though
[04:52] <genii> !ask | Cobra_Bubbles
[04:52] <ubotu> Cobra_Bubbles: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:52] <Cobra_Bubbles> okay so... Skype is distributed in a Debian package, which means I need GNOME to install it?
[04:52] <teufel_> ok when i fullscreen the video its still small
[04:52] <alakhia> ah, the nfs page looks good ... :)
[04:52] <alakhia> that's what I needed.
[04:52] <teufel_> like it fullscreen but keeps the resolution and part of the video shows up at the top left
[04:52] <alakhia> thanks, guys
[04:52] <genii> Cobra_Bubbles: No, ubuntu is a debian derivitaive. It used .deb packaging
[04:53] <BluesKaj> no Cobra_Bubbles it'll install even if you use kde
[04:54] <genii> Cobra_Bubbles: To install some deb file not from a repository, try using from a konsole:  sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[04:54] <Cobra_Bubbles> thanks
[04:55] <BluesKaj> hey genii , how goes it ?
[04:55] <teufel_> so what does the video output option do in the mplayer mozilla plugin
[04:55] <chino> i installed the mozilla flash thing and youtube is telling me i need a newer version
[04:56] <genii> BluesKaj Goes alrite :) Sorta generally ill lately but I think it's some stomach flu goin round. Otherwise fine
[04:56] <BluesKaj> bummer about the stomach thing
[04:56] <Knightlust> chino: did you install flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:56] <SolidSource> chino: are you using AMD64 version of kubuntu?
[04:56] <chino> SolidSource:  no
[04:57] <chino> libflash-mozplugin
[04:57] <teufel_> cant get the mplayer to fullscreen videos
[04:57] <pete> can somebody tell me if there is a way to make the font collor in the konsole inverse of the background?
[04:57] <teufel_> mplayer plugin for mozilla
[04:57] <Knightlust> because some oss flash derivatives spits out that error
[04:57] <SolidSource> chino: then install flashplugin-nonfree as knightlust said
[04:57] <pete> (for when using a transparent background)
[04:58] <BluesKaj> genii, I installed upstart 3.7 upgrade, but now i get an fstab error when installing other pkgs , should i just ignore it ?
[04:58] <chino> yea i installed that first
[04:58] <Skuller> pete: how to use a transparent background?
[04:58] <Knightlust> pete: xterm?
[04:58] <chino> and when i ran it
[04:58] <pete> knightlust, no in konsole
[04:58] <SolidSource> chino: you may need to copy the plugin file to your "~/,mozilla/plugins
[04:58] <genii> BluesKaj: I'm not acquainted much with it, so couldn't give you any definitive answer on that
[04:58] <Knightlust> no i mean, xterm uses transparent background
[04:58] <chino> john@john-desktop:~$ sudo update-flashplugin
[04:58] <chino> automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes
[04:59] <Jucato> pete: Settings -> COnfigure Konsole -> Schema tab?
[04:59] <Knightlust> hmm, havent tried a transparent background in konsole
[04:59] <Knightlust> hehehe
[04:59] <pete> skuller - i am using the transparent background but the text is hard to read, i want to make the font color inverse of whatever my background is if possible
[04:59] <Knightlust> hmmm, i gave out a bad advise
[04:59] <BluesKaj> ok genii, it doesn't seem to be blocking any installs , i just notice it in the terminal.
[05:00] <SolidSource> chino: go into firefox and do About:plugins and if its says version 9 for flash, your good
[05:00] <pete> ahh i guess the green tint thingy will suffice for now :/
[05:00] <genii> BluesKaj Well, if you pastebin the error I'll examine it if you like
[05:00] <pete> thanks peeps.
[05:00] <chino> i just looked in the source and im successfully downloading the file
[05:00] <Skuller> pete: sorry i cant help you on your problem...i was just asking you if you could tell me how to make the terminal have a transparent backg
[05:01] <pete> skuller, for sure, just go to Settings -> Schema
[05:01] <Jucato> Skuller: Schema settings in Konsole
[05:01] <Skuller> thanx pete
[05:01] <Knightlust> chino: good luck, hope that works with youtube
[05:01] <Jucato> Skuller: you can fine tune the schema or create your own in Settings -> Configure Konsole -> Schema tab
[05:01] <chino> Knightlust:  thats what i was saying...
[05:01] <jake_> pete: how to install themes on kde?
[05:02] <chino> why doesn't it ?
[05:02] <Knightlust> chino: hold on, you're saying that it's downloading but not installing?
[05:02] <chino> Knightlust:  no it didn't work... so i looked in the source got the url and downloaded and installed it my seelf
[05:02] <pete> jake_: im not that great on linux man so it would be hard for me to tell you, i think it involves a lot of compiling and downloading random packages tho
[05:02] <Knightlust> hehehe, nice workaround
[05:02] <BluesKaj> genii, it's only one line and the last " 0" in it is in red :  /dev/partition /media/mount point ntfs-3g silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 <--- this one
[05:02] <Jucato> !changethemes | jake_
[05:02] <ubotu> jake_: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[05:03] <jake_> thanx
[05:03] <chino> Knightlust:  but youtube still doesn't work
[05:04] <Knightlust> chino: would you mind trying other browsers
[05:04] <Skuller> Jucato: thanx...it looks awesome now
[05:04] <Knightlust> just in case, we need to find out if it's a problem with flash-plugin or your current browser
[05:04] <chino> um
[05:04] <Jucato> Skuller: no problem :)
[05:04] <chino> how do i install it to konquere ?
[05:04] <Jucato> flash problems?
[05:05] <Knightlust> if flashplugin-nonfree is already installed, then it should work without a hitch in konqueror
[05:05] <chino> cant i just embed gstreamer ?
[05:05] <genii> BluesKaj: Ah, OK... not much worries there then. The last 2 numbers in fstab are for dump and fsck options
[05:05] <SolidSource> chino: just check about:plugins in firefox, and if its not there then its just as simple as copying a file
[05:05] <genii> BluesKaj: Zero means no checking
[05:06] <BluesKaj> ok thx genii , appreciate you looking :)
[05:06] <chino> Knightlust: flashplugin-nonfree just installs "an installer" which you have to run by your self
[05:06] <Jucato> chino: um.. did you install firefox from the repositories?
[05:06] <chino> SolidSource:  its there man
[05:06] <chino> Jucato:  yea
[05:06] <Jucato> chino: er no.. the flashplugin-nonfree package automatically runs the installer (you have to use apt though)
[05:06] <SolidSource> chino: ok...
[05:06] <Knightlust> brb: appointment with the dentist, be back in 30mins
[05:06] <chino> Jucato:  yea but the installer failed
[05:07] <Jucato> chino: what did you use? Adept?
[05:07] <Stalk3r> anyone using yahoo messenger in kubuntu dapper drake?
[05:07] <Skuller> Knightlust: get some sugar free candies fer me...avent eaten some in ages...:)
[05:07] <Jucato> er.. need lunch...
[05:07] <Skuller> Stalk3r: i dint know we could do that
[05:08] <BluesKaj> well, getting late for geezers ...nite all
[05:08] <khirr> how can i configure mi amarok to can listen mp3 files?
[05:08] <Stalk3r> Skuller: I'm not too sure we can, I have been able to apt-get or download all but one lib from repositories or debian
[05:08] <Skuller> !mp3 | khirr
[05:08] <ubotu> khirr: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:08] <khirr> thnx
[05:09] <Stalk3r> I was mostly curious if anyone else had been successful
[05:09] <SolidSource> chino: if the flashplugin install failed...did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in order to attempt to fix?
[05:09] <chino> and firefox keeps crashing
[05:09] <Skuller> Stalk3r: you mean the 'yahoo messenger' or just an IM software with its protocol capabilities?
[05:09] <Stalk3r> Skuller: I mean the yahoo messenger
[05:10] <Skuller> Stalk3r: does it have the phone-out voice capabilities?
[05:10] <Stalk3r> there's a version for debian, which I thought would be close enpugh to work but there are dependency problems I didn't forsee.
[05:10] <Skuller> like the mzoft version
[05:10] <SolidSource> stalk3r: yahoo messenger doesn't work too well or at all in (k)ubuntu
[05:10] <chino> konqueror says the same thing.... old version of flash
[05:11] <Stalk3r> Skuller: no
[05:11] <Stalk3r> SolidSource: I'm noticing that
[05:11] <SolidSource> stalk3r: that deb file you have is for the actual Debian
[05:11] <Skuller> Yahoo Messenger's Cheap VOIP capabilities are the ONLY reason i have to switch to xp once in a while
[05:11] <SolidSource> chino: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[05:11] <chino> Skuller:  just use voipbuster.com and use your own voip client
[05:11] <Stalk3r> I wonder if I took a working installation from my wife's box and ran it under wine, would that do it?
[05:11] <chino> the new cd 10.6
[05:12] <Skuller> chino: ok i'll check it out...thanx
[05:12] <chino> why do you need yahoo messenger ?
[05:12] <chino> just use gaim.
[05:12] <Stalk3r> probably too many lib dependencies there, too
[05:12] <SolidSource> gaim isn't any better than kopete
[05:12] <Stalk3r> I was using kopete but I hate it
[05:13] <Stalk3r> it's not configurable enough and navigation is impossible, at best
[05:13] <SolidSource> chino: what version of kubuntu are you using, cause some things aren't in the dapper repos if thats what you are using
[05:13] <Stalk3r> and I'd already heard that gaim wasn't any better.
[05:13] <chino> SolidSource:  10.6
[05:14] <Stalk3r> 10.6, is that edgy?
[05:14] <SolidSource> chino: what are talking about...the latest kubuntu is 6.1
[05:14] <teufel_> i have been trying to fix this flash audio sync and im running out of ideas it worked yesterday then i reainstall kubuntu today and now it glitches
[05:14] <orange_> YES! I got macromedia flash 8 working on kubuntu
[05:14] <chino> Download Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)
[05:15] <chino> i had it backwards....
[05:15] <chino> 10.6
[05:15] <Stalk3r> hmm, I'm using flash 9
[05:15] <chino> 6.10
[05:15] <chino> where do you get that ! ?
[05:15] <SolidSource> orange_: flash 9 is out
[05:15] <teufel_> i tried to install to 9
[05:15] <teufel_> but it says im still using 7
[05:15] <orange_> Stalk3r: Flash Professional 8...
[05:15] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > chino
[05:15] <leafw> what command/script is the System / Quit... / Suspend issuing? I would like to call it from the command line.
[05:15] <orange_> not Flash Player
[05:15] <Stalk3r> try to watch videos on yahoo and follow the link and directions.
[05:15] <chino> i got my sources up!
[05:15] <SolidSource> chino: update your sources.list so can have access to everything
[05:15] <Stalk3r> orange_: ahhh, nice
[05:16] <skittles> hello
[05:16] <chino> unles your talking about that one 3rd party one made by some guy
[05:16] <teufel_> damn
[05:16] <skittles> just started using UBUNTU
[05:16] <orange_> use kubuntu
[05:16] <Skuller> chino: can you clear me on the voip buster and its "use your own voip' capabilities?
[05:16] <chino> Skuller:  you have been cleared
[05:17] <SolidSource> chino: no, the backports are not used by default, and there are extra repos supplied by the source-o-matic
[05:17] <chino> whats bakports ?
[05:17] <chino> !source-o-matic > chino
[05:17] <Stalk3r> oh, you have to enable the multiverse backports
[05:17] <Skuller> chino: thanx...now can you explain me more on the voip buster's "use your own voip" capabilities?
[05:17] <skittles> can i switch to Kubuntu with all the things i already have installed like Cedega with reinstalling it all?
[05:17] <chino> wtf is all this complicated stuff
[05:17] <SolidSource> skitties: you can just install KDE onto ubuntu
[05:18] <chino> Skuller:  there is nothing else to explain
[05:18] <skittles> mmmmm interesting tks Solid
[05:18] <Stalk3r> chino:  use adept, click file|manage repositories and then uncomment all the repository addresses you find.
[05:18] <SolidSource> chino: its not complicated, its just updating a file
[05:18] <skittles> whats different bout kubuntu?
[05:18] <Stalk3r> skittles: KDE
[05:18] <skittles> huh what is KDE?
[05:18] <Skuller> chino: as far as i can understand...voipbuster is a voip client on its own and has its own rates....
[05:18] <SolidSource> stalk3r: one problem with that is, the kubuntu repos are not there
[05:19] <SolidSource> stalk3r by default
[05:19] <Skuller> !kde | skittles
[05:19] <ubotu> skittles: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[05:19] <Stalk3r> skittles: Killer Desktop Environment
[05:19] <skittles> oh i see tks
[05:19] <bill57785> does Dapper Drake have cabextract already?  how can I check?
[05:19] <Stalk3r> !repositories | Stalk3r
[05:20] <chino> Skuller:  its free around half the world and you can use any voip client you want to connect to voip buster
[05:20] <skittles> can you give me the place to download kubuntu? plz
[05:21] <Stalk3r> hmm
[05:21] <Berto> what packages provide vi and vim?  My vi works terribly with my keyboard, but vim is perfect.  i'd like to remove vi
[05:22] <c0nv1ct> anyone here use superkaramba?
[05:22] <genii> !vim
[05:22] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[05:22] <Skuller> chino: oh...well unfortunately that 'half the world' doesnt include india....and i wanted to be able to use voip buster to use my yahoo messenger voip out rates n capabilities....
[05:22] <Skuller> thnx fer da info tho
[05:22] <genii> !info vim | Berto
[05:22] <SolidSource> c0nc1ct: kind of, what ya need?
[05:22] <ubotu> berto: vim: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0-035+1ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 1420 kB
[05:22] <genii> Berto so just "vim" as packagename
[05:22] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: i just need to know where it puts themes i download from "Get New Stuff"
[05:22] <Berto> gen2, yes, but what package for vi?  i like vim, want to do a remove on vi
[05:23] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: cuz it doesnt go in ~/.Karamba
[05:23] <Berto> genii, oops that was to you
[05:23] <Berto> genii, vi is not a packagename... how do i find out in general what package Executable_Name belongs to?
[05:24] <Stalk3r> why remove vi?
[05:24] <leafw> what command/script is the System / Quit... / Suspend issuing? I would like to call it from the command line.
[05:24] <genii> Berto vim needs vi as beckend so it is more or less integrated. The vi package is a subset. You cannot remove it without vim failing
[05:24] <skittles> with kubuntu can you use mic/cam/printer?
[05:24] <Berto> genii, weird.  vi not working though, vim works great.
[05:24] <Stalk3r> leafw: sudo shutdown
[05:25] <Berto> genii, the problem is that when i use vi, the up and down arrows enter in letters B and C!!
[05:25] <Stalk3r> berto vim is installed by default in dapper, just try calling it?
[05:25] <skittles> also have urs colors for txttyping?
[05:25] <genii> Berto Those keys have not been remapped for some reason?
[05:25] <Stalk3r> ooh, good call
[05:25] <Berto> Stalk3r, yeah, i'm using vim.  From mandrake i'm used to calling the vi executable
[05:26] <Stalk3r> get used to adding the m
[05:26] <Berto> Stalk3r, so either i get used to actually typing "vim" at command line, or do a symlink
[05:26] <Berto> hahaha
[05:26] <max__> how do i change the grub boot order?
[05:26] <SolidSource> c0nc1ct: are you sure: I find mine in ~/.superkaramba
[05:26] <Berto> Stalk3r, do you know how hard of a habit that will be to break!
[05:26] <Stalk3r> symlink is another good idea
[05:26] <Stalk3r> you answered your own workaround, get on it
[05:26] <skittles> tks 4 ur help <room> L8trz
[05:26] <Stalk3r> ;)
[05:26] <Stalk3r> bye skittles
[05:27] <Berto> Stalk3r, yeh thanks... was worried about symlinkiing to vim from vi if vim REQUIRES vi... didn't want to destroy
[05:27] <SolidSource> chino: get the sources.list updated?
[05:28] <chino> yes...
[05:28] <chino> i tried every single flash package
[05:28] <chino> they all say the same thing when i go to youtube
[05:28] <Stalk3r> youtube?
[05:28] <Stalk3r> lol
[05:28] <Stalk3r> you useing firefox?
[05:28] <chino> yes
[05:28] <bordy> Anyone able to hel pme with a World of Warcraft Installation issue?
[05:28] <SolidSource> chino: and when you go into about:plugins it says flash plugin 9?
[05:28] <chino> i said no
[05:29] <Stalk3r> see the little popup blocker message at the top that says missing plugin?
[05:29] <chino> Stalk3r:  dont be funny
[05:29] <chino> SolidSource:  it does not say 9
[05:29] <Stalk3r> I'm amusing myself
[05:29] <genii> Stalk3r: :)
[05:29] <Musashiden> whats the command to configure Xorg?
[05:29] <bill57785> ok
[05:29] <Stalk3r> anyway, you have to add a symlink in your firefox file to where you installed the plugin
[05:29] <chino> 0.4.12
[05:29] <bill57785> I'm sure I sound like a n00b
[05:30] <bill57785> but I have no idea where to look, and I need to know
[05:30] <SolidSource> chino: and when you check what version of flashplugin-nonfree is intalled (trhough adept) what does it say?
[05:30] <bill57785> I downloaded a .deb file...now how do I install it?
[05:30] <Stalk3r> !dpkg
[05:30] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[05:30] <jake_> guys what's the linux version of morpheus or kazaa of windows?
[05:30] <Stalk3r> !dpkg bill57785
[05:30] <ubotu> dpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.13.22ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 1587 kB, installed size 4892 kB
[05:30] <daskreech> !apt
[05:30] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:30] <chino> 7.0.6.8
[05:30] <Stalk3r> jake_: torrenty
[05:30] <Stalk3r> jake_: torrent
[05:31] <Musashiden> anybody?
[05:31] <bordy> Anyone able to help with Warcraft?
[05:31] <bill57785> ok, but what line do I type in the shell? or what program do I open?
[05:31] <SolidSource> chino: ok...did yo update sources.list with the things provided by source-o-matic?
[05:32] <Stalk3r> bill57785: dpkg -i <filename>
[05:32] <genii> bill57785: sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>      if you are in the directory containing the file
[05:32] <chino> SolidSource:  yes you asked me that 3 times
[05:32] <Stalk3r> oh yeah, I always forget sudo
[05:32] <Stalk3r> lol
[05:32] <genii> bill57785: If not in same dir use full pathname
[05:32] <jake_> Stalk3r: but thats a torrent downloader, i downloaded amule but its so hard to use
[05:32] <SolidSource> chino: just making because others were saying things
[05:32] <SolidSource> chino: then run in konsole "sudo apt-get update"
[05:32] <Musashiden> what is the command to reconfigure X? i know is something like Xorg-Xserver configure or something like that. anyone?
[05:32] <chino> hang on i didn't hit update though
[05:33] <bill57785> ok, thank you very much....I'm still new to linux and I rarely get an answer out of anyone...it makes it hard to learn
[05:33] <Stalk3r> Musashiden: I use the graphical config app
[05:33] <genii> Musashiden: in console, it's  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <Musashiden> thank you
[05:33] <chino> oh thank god it says 9
[05:33] <Stalk3r> wtg chino
[05:33] <chino> well thats the installer package
[05:34] <chino> lets see what happens
[05:34] <Stalk3r> so who has a messenger they'd like to recommend to someone that doesn't want to use kopete or gaim?
[05:34] <SolidSource> chino: ok there you go....now if it installs and still doesn't work, just copy everything in "/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins" to "~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:35] <genii> Stalk3r: What protocols are required?
[05:35] <chino> yea its working
[05:35] <chino> ok so i installed mplayer for moz plugin should that just work too ?
[05:36] <Stalk3r> ami & yahoo are all I need, I use Konversation for IRC and Kontact for everything else
[05:36] <Stalk3r> aim*
[05:36] <SolidSource> chino: yeah, you may need to select your outputs in the config when you play your first clip in firefox
[05:36] <chino> its stupposed to embed it
[05:36] <genii> !everybuddy
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about everybuddy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <genii> Bah
[05:36] <Stalk3r> heh
[05:37] <genii> Stalk3r: Anyhow, it is an open-source option that does quite a few protocols
[05:37] <SolidSource> chino: yes but there are more than 1 engine for playing files, sometimes it doesn't automatically select one
[05:37] <Stalk3r> everybuddy?
[05:37] <chino> just to let you guys know the wirless setup tools are messed up man ...
[05:37] <SolidSource> chin: so when playing a clip, right click >> configure
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i sort of like gaim
[05:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:37] <chino> i had a hell of a time learning their bugs
[05:38] <genii> Yes, found the package which contains it now, ayttm
[05:38] <genii> !ayttm
[05:38] <Dr_willis> The state of Wireless Networking in general.. is very messed up.
[05:38] <ubotu> ayttm: Universal Instant Messaging Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.6+34-1 (edgy), package size 1801 kB, installed size 4964 kB
[05:38] <SolidSource> chino: wireless doesn't really work yet...not all the time at least
[05:38] <chino> yea but the menu... it self... was broken
[05:38] <Dr_willis> which menu where?
[05:38] <chino> let me explain
[05:38] <Stalk3r> genii: ty
[05:38] <genii> Stalk3r: np
[05:39] <Dr_willis> it pays on irc, to be verbose, yet concise in describing your  issues. :)
[05:39] <Cobra-Bubbles> My komyootor no work nao! How do I shot web?
[05:40] <chino> if i click on the kde system settings button and go to networking and then click administration mode it turns all grayed out and i cant see no buttons within the red border.... so i had to use 'sudo' to run systemsettings.... then once in there it doens't let you remove a network key that is in allready... you have to close it and reload it... then if you put hexidecimal... after it saves it still says ascii even though its really usin
[05:40] <SolidSource> cobra-bubbles: what?
[05:40] <kouran_> how do i add a program to the k menu?
[05:40] <SolidSource> cobra-bubbles: you talking about konqueror?
[05:41] <kouran_> i downaloaded and installed bluej java ide and it can only be launched from the terminal..
[05:41] <Dr_willis> wow ayttm  is sort of UGLY.. but it works..
[05:41] <johnnyd> anyone know of howto's for getting a kubuntu 610 vmware guest to talk to an xp host?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> chino,  try 'maxamizing' that window.. there maybe some 'administrator mode' buttons that are hidden at the bottom. (its a bit of a bug that pops up at times)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> chino,  or are you saying thees NO buttons anywhere?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> the KDE control-center-settings stuff is undergoing work all the time. I hear with kde4 its supposed to be much improved.
[05:42] <genii> Dr_willis: Yeah I remember it's interface was not nice but it worked fine for me on MSN and ICQ
[05:43] <Dr_willis> genii,  yea.. 'not nice' the fonts are downright.. well.. nasty. :) heh
[05:43] <chino> Dr_willis:  he has a small screen....................
[05:44] <chino> Dr_willis:  thats what i just said if you click on administration mode it gets the red border and everything inside of the red border has turned into a gtk gray colored plane with no buttons
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i wonder what that Nokia 880 is using. I think it has a port of Gaim to it.
[05:44] <Dr_willis> chino,  ive totally given up on wireless under windows and linux.. You dont want toknow the fighting ive had to do with some windows machines the last few months. ;)
[05:44] <chino> um
[05:45] <chino> i hope your not trying to think im a windows user
[05:45] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: wireless is easy on some other distros
[05:45] <johnnyd> anyone know of howto's for getting a kubuntu 610 vmware guest to talk to a xp host?
[05:45] <chino> im telling you guys so you can know... because your probably develoeprs some of you
[05:45] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  i find wireless being 'easy' can be a rather big crap shoot. :)
[05:45] <chino> SolidSource:  what other distros
[05:46] <Dr_willis> wilress seems to be a lot easier.. depending on what drivers the wireless cards are using.
[05:46] <Cobra-Bubbles> hrm
[05:46] <chino> ok ok ok
[05:46] <Cobra-Bubbles> Does Skype support Webcams in the Debian build?/
[05:46] <chino> my point was not "wireless support in linux"
[05:46] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: well, I haven't had problems in windows with wireless (except making sure the security settings are matched with router and that I am not using windows to manage wireless)
[05:46] <chino> my point was "kubuntu gui programs are on crack"
[05:46] <genii> Dr_willis: Do you know what chipset the Nokia uses? I'm interested in ARM processing for instance
[05:46] <chino> "fyi"
[05:46] <SolidSource> chino: fedora and SuSE have been the best when it comes to wireless from my experience
[05:47] <chino> scary anything rpm based makes me shit
[05:47] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  yea. you bring up an interesting point.. why shouldent one use windows to manage the wirless.. vs the cards own (sometimes very silly) controls.. but we dont want to slap on windows too much.
[05:47] <Stalk3r> my brother likes gentoo and I think he's wireless
[05:48] <Dr_willis> are not the 'ra' chipset wilress cards supposed to have fully gpl'd drivers?  i even hear of issues with them, :(
[05:48] <Dr_willis> i dont even want to get started on every wireless manafacturer adding new gimmics to their cards and otehr gizmos that seem to conflict with others, or just confuse people.
[05:48] <daskreech> bordy: sup?
[05:48] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: windows has too many restrictions to custom settings...and its way to clumsy, not to mention it doesn't always list all the wireless netowrks in the area. Also, the cards specific program is designed to work better with the card itself
[05:48] <Dr_willis> and really dont get me started on the lame wireless on the Nintendo DS. :)
[05:49] <Cobra-Bubbles> Dr_willis: Another reason I switched from Windows... Nero, IE, Google, and Yahoo loved to fight over which one was my Operating System
[05:49] <daskreech> Stalk3r: Miranda
[05:49] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  yea. ive noticed a few of that.. ive also noticed that  way to many wireless cards' interface programs.. toss out  'gui design school fundamentls' and have some really.... weird interfaces at times.. heh..
[05:49] <Cobra-Bubbles> DS has wifi upgrade hacks
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  thats good to hear..
[05:50] <Dr_willis> Yahoo Seems to like to sneak in.. Google is slowly creeping in like the blob... :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> NERO - is just growing to big. heh.
[05:50] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: MSI program has the best and easiest
[05:50] <manchicken> !offtopic
[05:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:50] <manchicken> :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  you find msi wireless cards work better under linux?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> I tend to stick with Linksys on the few wireless thangs i have.   since they seem to work together better.
[05:51] <Cobra-Bubbles> Better than Broadcom
[05:52] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: haven't tested MSI and linux (though I could easily do it, but I have had few problems with Intel cards (in Fedora and SuSE at least)
[05:52] <johnnyd>  anyone know of howto's for getting a kubuntu 610 vmware guest to talk to an xp host?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> My laptop has broadcom.. i actually got wireless working with it the other day under ubuntu.
[05:52] <bordy> daskreech: I am havin some trouble... i followed the instructions in the ubuntu community help, and i copied my WoW Files from the windows partition... but I am getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9976/
[05:52] <Dr_willis> johnnyd,  running ubuntu 6.10 in vmware under windows xp?
[05:52] <johnnyd> yes
[05:53] <genii> Orinoco used to be awesome
[05:53] <peanutb> I think it depends on the card model, i still havent gotten my linksys working. I just bought a cheap atheros based card.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> johnnyd,  samba should let the 2 see shares and so forth... same as if there were 2 machines.
[05:53] <SolidSource> peanutb: external cards never work as well as internal
[05:53] <Dr_willis> johnnyd,  winscp is good for gettting files around also using ssh.
[05:53] <SolidSource> peanutb: and linksys is crap anyway
[05:53] <Dr_willis> johnnyd,  assuming you got the network settings for the vmware machine set right that is...
[05:54] <peanutb> SolidSource, Its hard enough getting linksys cards to work in windows, Linux is a whole different story.
[05:55] <Cobra-Bubbles> shame
[05:55] <Cobra-Bubbles> Linksys routers are fantastic
[05:55] <johnnyd> I can see the "neighborhood" and the "xp" machine but clicking on the icon results in the xp samba sharr not existing
[05:55] <SolidSource> peanutb: again Linksys all around sucks
[05:55] <Dr_willis> of course ive seen companies have identically named cards with different 'versions' that use entirely different chipsets. :()
[05:55] <SolidSource> cobra-bubbles: Belkin and D-link absolutely DESTROY linksys
[05:56] <chino> kfrb is nto working
[05:56] <Dr_willis> heh - i got a few dlink network cards. (normal wired)  really havent used any enoggh to come to any conclusions. they all seem to work well.
[05:56] <eric> hey how can i make my screen resolution smaller...i know it goes smaller but its not listed
[05:56] <Cobra-Bubbles> please... D-Link is a poor man's Linksys
[05:57] <Dr_willis> !info  krandrtray
[05:57] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:57] <Dr_willis> hmm
[05:57] <Dr_willis> !find  krandrtray
[05:57] <ubotu> File krandrtray found in kcontrol, kde4base, kdebase-dbg
[05:57] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: I went through 3 Linksys routers and tested several Belkin, before settling on my D-link gaming router for its features
[05:57] <hole> how can i edit grub from within gnome
[05:57] <hole> grub menu i measn
[05:58] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  i just got a little mini-linksys router. :) was only $30 does what i need.. i guess it would be nice to have more controll. but so far this thing has been set it and forget it.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> !grub
[05:58] <hole> measn-s=mean
[05:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:58] <SolidSource> cobra-bubbles: linksys is unstable and barely works.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> hole,  you could always go hardkore and edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file (BACK IT UP FIRST!)
[05:59] <hole> no i just have 3 kernel choices so i want to take 2 of emoff
[05:59] <Dr_willis> hole,  thats trivial. :)
[05:59] <hole> ??
[05:59] <Dr_willis> hole,  one setting in that file dictates the # of kernels to show.. edit that line. then rerun 'sudo update-grub'
[06:00] <hole> oh and one more thing what are ethernet switches used for
[06:00] <Dr_willis> # alternative=false               - Hides the 'alternate' boot entrys.  and        # howmany=all   - dictates the # of entrys to show.
[06:00] <dystopianray> what happened to the english hyphenation dictionaries for openoffice ?
[06:00] <hole> is it like a hub?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Note that you Leave those # comments in there.. update-grub uses them.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> a switch is  'smarter' then a hub. I belive
[06:01] <Dr_willis> less packet colision and so forth.. more efficneit
[06:01] <hole> does that mean it works like a hub?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> it is a smarter hub.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I guess is the proper term?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I aint even seen hubs in stores lately.
[06:02] <hole> ok coool so i can play lan quake1,2,3
[06:02] <Dr_willis> perhaps i juat havent noticed.
[06:02] <skittles> hi
[06:02] <hole> and starcraft
[06:02] <Dr_willis> a switch will give better gameplay/pings/lesslag then a hub.
[06:02] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: err...you just reminded me I need to get another switch to expand my network
[06:02] <hole> awesome
[06:02] <skittles> i play wow and everquest1
[06:02] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  heh - slowly upgrading to gigabit here.
[06:02] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: already there..just ran out of ports
[06:03] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  heh. Yep.  another reson wireless seems such a step backwards. :()
[06:03] <skittles> how do  i set my colors for chat like as in typing words, ect.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> skittles,  colors? where?
[06:04] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: hate using wireless....working in bursts of info instead of a constant stream sucks
[06:04] <skittles> not sure dr.willis, i want to know how
[06:04] <hole> ok dr_willis is there any way i can get you to ssh in to my pc and fis that i am really noid about editing that file
[06:04] <bill57785> why when I type "svn cat https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hackndev/linux4palm/tools/unpdb.py > unpdb.py" does it tell me "bash: svn: command not found"?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> skittles,  irc colors are dictated by the irc client. WE dont see your colors.. our clients treat differnt messages/things differntly
[06:04] <Dr_willis> hole,  not really its 1 am here..
[06:04] <Dr_willis> hole,  back the thing up.. use 'sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit 2 lines.
[06:04] <skittles> well i have boring BLACK colors for my typing
[06:05] <Dr_willis> hole,  or if you are that scared.. dont mess with it..
[06:05] <hole> i dont know what to put instead
[06:05] <Dr_willis> skittles,  black where? :) thers seveal dozen irc clients out...
[06:05] <bill57785> anyone?
[06:05] <Cobra-Bubbles> Nobody answered me :-p
[06:05] <hole> can i name a specific kernel?
[06:05] <skittles> oh never mind...i'll just sit and read what every1 says
[06:05] <Dr_willis> hole,  the # of entrys to show.. ie: 1 or 2.. and have it hide the alternatve entrys if you really want to slim it down.
[06:05] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: what was the question?
[06:06] <Cobra-Bubbles> Just this.. Does Skype support webcam streams in Linux??
[06:06] <Dr_willis> skittles,  we will NOT see your text as black, or whatever YOU set them to be. this is not yahoomessenger where every one uses idiotic fonts.colors and spam the channel
[06:06] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: not yet
[06:06] <hole> so if theres 3 and i put 1 which 1 is it going to show
[06:06] <Dr_willis> skittles,  i see all the text in nice clean white text on a black background.
[06:06] <Cobra-Bubbles> Hrm... Figures there'd be one single short-coming
[06:06] <hole> the most recent?
[06:06] <skittles> i have a white background with blk txt
[06:07] <skittles> so very boring :(
[06:07] <Dr_willis> hole,  you rerun 'sudo update-grub' and it rewrites the menu.lst and will show the most recent one. Makes sence eh?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> skittles,  un huh.. sure...
[06:07] <hole> oooh ok
[06:07] <Dr_willis> skittles,  set your irc client up differently.. we wont see any differance. :)
[06:07] <skittles> oic now dr.willis calling me a lier now tks
[06:08] <Cobra-Bubbles> K... What do I need to emulate Windows XP, or think a Dual-Boot setup would work better?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> skittles,  about what?  boaring text? gesh.. what next.. you want web cams in here also? :)
[06:08] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: most video conferencing requires seperate application, kopete has just barely started doing video
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  vmware can handle xp i hear..
[06:08] <hole> what was the name of that file again?
[06:08] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: VMware is best
[06:08] <genii> Cobra-Bubbles: dual-boot is beetr than trying to run XP under linux
[06:08] <Dr_willis> !grub
[06:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:08] <Knightlust> Cobra_Bubbles: Xen if you want virtualization, but i strongly suggest a dual-boot, unless you have a pretty good hardware
[06:09] <Dr_willis> hole,  /boot/grub/menu.lst (back it up!)
[06:09] <Knightlust> and i mean $3000 +++ hardware
[06:09] <skittles> DR.WILLIS i SAID BLK TXT is Boring
[06:09] <hole> k
[06:09] <bill57785>  why when I type "svn cat https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hackndev/linux4palm/tools/unpdb.py > unpdb.py" does it tell me "bash: svn: command not found"?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> skittles,  you perfer green?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:10] <skittles> wow i come in this room to GET some HELP, then dr.willis gives me a hard time, tks, dr.willis
[06:10] <genii> bill57785: install the svn client. You can find one by sudo apt-cache search svn|grep client
[06:10] <Cobra-Bubbles> hrm
[06:10] <pete> hey im just curious - what do you guys use to rip flash videos off of sites like youtube?
[06:10] <bill57785> ok
[06:10] <Cobra-Bubbles> I wonder if doing a dual-boot would be highly difficult
[06:10] <Dr_willis> skittles,   you asked a question? i must of missed it.. i though you where just chatting.
[06:10] <SolidSource> skittles: thats just being tedious, what difference does the color of the text make?
[06:10] <Knightlust> pete: video downloader extension for firefox
[06:10] <skittles> and i have ony have had UBUNTU installed less than a WK
[06:10] <genii> bill57785: Actually it looks like you put 2 commands in that line. svn cat <-- both commands
[06:10] <chino> whats a safe upgrade ?
[06:11] <Knightlust> chino, how was it?
[06:11] <chino> what ?
[06:11] <Knightlust> i mean, youtube
[06:11] <bill57785> lol
[06:11] <bill57785> well I've tried svn before anyways
[06:11] <pete> knightlust-  ty
[06:11] <bill57785> on other things
[06:11] <Dr_willis> skittles,  i was explainign to you that Unlike the stuff you see in some IM clients. your fonts wont affect us.  SOme people seem to think that irc works just like YahooMessenger.
[06:11] <Knightlust> did it work?
[06:11] <pete> talking to me?
[06:11] <bill57785> and it didn't work...so I'll go ahead and install this
[06:11] <Cobra-Bubbles> Not worth the trouble. I'll jsut emulate Windows XP
[06:11] <chino> Knightlust:  what work ?
[06:12] <skittles> i know thast drwillis duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this isn't yahoo
[06:12] <SolidSource> chino: safe upgrade may hold certain packages back in order to prevent broken packages
[06:12] <Cobra-Bubbles> I've got 2.1 Gigahertz and a gigabyte of RAM, I think I cna handle it
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  you do have a spare XP serial #?
[06:12] <Knightlust> chino: your flash plugin on youtube
[06:12] <chino> ys
[06:12] <chino> where have you been ?
[06:12] <chino> lol
[06:12] <Cobra-Bubbles> I've got one sitting on the bottom of a torn-up old laptop, but it's faded
[06:12] <Knightlust> chino: dentist appointment. congratulations
[06:12] <Cobra-Bubbles> I could always use more
[06:12] <genii> Cobra-Bubbles: Even on a system like that, it will pretty much choke it. You need something more like a quadcore for it to be almost bearable
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  you may need to activate the Emulated XP machine.. and using the same serial # on vmware and a running machine can cuse issues.
[06:13] <SolidSource> genii: no you don't
[06:13] <Cobra-Bubbles> Yeah. I coudl definately use some XP keyage
[06:13] <bill57785> ok
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  you may want to try WIndowsME or Windows98/SE first.
[06:13] <Minataku> Heya, genii :D
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  depending on what tasks you are wanting to do with it
[06:13] <bill57785> I ran the command you gave me, and it just went to another command line after I entered my password
[06:13] <skittles> windows Me has too many problems i should know just got rid of it
[06:13] <genii> SolidSource: Well, any cpu so far single core I found it horrible under at least 3.2
[06:14] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: you may try just using WINE or Crossover to run windows apps in linux
[06:14] <genii> Minataku: Heys
[06:14] <eric> how do I set up my other hd to mount automatically?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> windowsME has all the drivers for a Vmware Machine included. whichmakes it better for use under vmware then 98 or SE.
[06:14] <Minataku> genii: Any news on my free crap? XD
[06:14] <Cobra-Bubbles> hrm... If WINE does Skype properly I'll be set.
[06:14] <SolidSource> genii: I use VMware on a 2.3Ghtz AMD64 X2 and a gig of RAM no problem
[06:14] <Minataku> Skype has a native version
[06:14] <Cobra-Bubbles> Most of what I was running in Windows was open-source, which was funny
[06:14] <VR_> but it looks terrible :(
[06:14] <Cobra-Bubbles> Minataku: Without webcam support
[06:14] <teufel_> can someone help me for a min
[06:14] <skittles> let see now
[06:15] <Knightlust> Cobra-Bubbles: Skype works well in Linux, no need to use WINE or VMWare
[06:15] <bill57785> did anyone read my message?
[06:15] <Knightlust> ohhh, webcam
[06:15] <SolidSource> Minataku: skype in linux doesn't have video support like many other things
[06:15] <skittles> and now....
[06:15] <teufel_> i need help installing a file .tar.bz2
[06:15] <genii> SolidSource Ah, vmware is not so bad. I meant for him to run some emulation UNDER linux
[06:15] <Knightlust> well actually my webcam works in linux, it's a genius videoexpress v2
[06:15] <Dr_willis> I want to know when did all the messaging and voice chat stuff suddendly HAVE to have video also? :)
[06:15] <Knightlust> and it works well on both skype and kopete
[06:15] <bill57785> anyone?
[06:15] <Minataku> I can't stand any of those IM things
[06:15] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  and whats this .tar.gz file supposed to be?
[06:15] <Minataku> Dr_willis: It's called featuritis
[06:16] <Cobra-Bubbles> Look I know this really hot girl and she likes to strip for me, Webcam support is a MUST
[06:16] <SolidSource> genii: well I didn't see anyone saying that...thought all agreed on VMware or similar
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  you been sleeping at the keyboard again? :)
[06:16] <Knightlust> Cobra-Bubbles: understood
[06:16] <Cobra-Bubbles> yup
[06:16] <Minataku> Features go up, stability goes down, people don't care because they're all used to Windows
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Cobra-Bubbles,  i bet shes an FBI agent! :)
[06:16] <Knightlust> hehehe
[06:16] <bill57785> well if anyone cares, this is what I'm trying to do: http://trac.hackndev.com/projects/palmld/wiki/ReinstallingPalmOS
[06:16] <Cobra-Bubbles> Nah. I've known her since she was 17 and she's like 22 now.
[06:16] <Knightlust> Cobra-Bubbles: what's your webcam
[06:16] <bill57785> only to a compact flash card
[06:16] <teufel_> someone help me with install a program that uses tar.bz2 ext
[06:16] <Cobra-Bubbles> I don't own a webcam
[06:16] <bill57785> and I'm still not getting svn to install
[06:16] <Knightlust> coz I've tried 2 webcams and it just works on my system
[06:16] <Dr_willis> whats scarier - the fact she wants strip, or the fact she actualy likes you. :)
[06:17] <Knightlust> ohh, you want to view webcam
[06:17] <Cobra-Bubbles> Probably the second
[06:17] <teufel_> someone help me with install a program that uses tar.bz2 ext
[06:17] <Knightlust> should work.. mine
[06:17] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  theres a dozen + ways stuff like that can be installed.. whats the program. and have you checked its homepage/install docs yet?
[06:17] <Jucato> teufel_: what program is it? have you tried searching the repositories first?
[06:17] <teufel_> yeah
[06:17] <SolidSource> teufel_: its already installed (ARK)...its just a compressed file like ZIP
[06:17] <Knightlust> *mine's working without a hitch, i can see webcams
[06:17] <teufel_> i tried ark
[06:17] <GeorgeMoney> Hello, I saw i had python default installed in my kubuntu, but really had no use for it, so I did an apt-get remove python. This also removed all my adept stuff for some reason. Is there any way i can get all my adept programs back without python (but if they really need python, that's fine) but i just want them back...
[06:18] <Dr_willis> I perfer the shell and 'unp'
[06:18] <teufel_> like its a game
[06:18] <Dr_willis> !info unp
[06:18] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[06:18] <peanutb> teufel_, what program?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> peanutb,  :) thats 5 times now weve asked. heh
[06:18] <teufel_> postal2
[06:18] <Jucato> teufel_: .tar.gz is the .zip and .rar of Linux
[06:18] <Jucato> or .tar.bz2
[06:18] <teufel_> ok
[06:18] <bill57785> seriously guys
[06:18] <teufel_> i tried to unpack it
[06:18] <bill57785> I tired what you said
[06:18] <bill57785> I did the apt-get for svn
[06:18] <bill57785> it asked my password
[06:19] <bill57785> I entered it, then it just went to the next command line and didn't install anything
[06:19] <SolidSource> teufel_: it could be a broken file
[06:19] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  thats an old game.. if you have a 'full linux' version.  it may not even work under some of the newer disrtos..    also it could just be the postal linux binaries that need the actual comercial game data from the cd.
[06:19] <teufel_> ok
[06:19] <teufel_> screw that then
[06:19] <Jucato> bill57785: what are you trying to install?
[06:19] <genii> bill57785: You may need to open up one of the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:19] <teufel_> dont feel like reloading kubuntu
[06:19] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  use the shell and try to upack it.. :) or go try some newer games. thers some nice free ones out now.
[06:20] <bill57785> man I hate being a n00b at linux
[06:20] <teufel_> free shooters
[06:20] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  why would you have to reload kubuntu?
[06:20] <bill57785> open up the repositories?
[06:20] <bill57785> http://trac.hackndev.com/projects/palmld/wiki/ReinstallingPalmOS
[06:20] <bill57785> that is what I'm trying to do
[06:20] <chino>  i hope this safe update doesn't break anything
[06:20] <teufel_> i broke my ati driver last night coundnt fix it
[06:20] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  RTCW:ET is a classic, then theres Savage thats out for free now. and Tremulus,
[06:20] <chino> i know how your updating records are
[06:20] <bill57785> and I'm at the part that I need to use the svn command to get a tool for combining the special .zip files
[06:20] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  the quake3 code is now open, so thers a lot of work on free games using it.
[06:20] <teufel_> return to castle wolfensten ?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  RTCW = return to castle wolf..   RTCW:ET = the free multiplayer only expansion
[06:21] <teufel_> hells yeah
[06:21] <Dr_willis> both are great. :)
[06:21] <teufel_> well i must have it
[06:21] <Dr_willis> work grat on low end box's also.. and lots of people still playingit.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> I need to find my RTCW cd's
[06:22] <teufel_> anyplace where i can get these
[06:22] <Dr_willis> be sure to install xqf also
[06:22] <Dr_willis> !info xqf
[06:22] <ubotu> xqf: X-based Quake Server Browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4-2 (edgy), package size 411 kB, installed size 1728 kB
[06:22] <Dr_willis> !games
[06:22] <teufel_> or do they have offical sites
[06:22] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[06:22] <bill57785> anyone? I'm trying to get this Palm LifeDrive fixed for my youth group leader because he needs it and it is midnight here
[06:22] <bill57785> and I have school tomorrow
[06:22] <teufel_> hells yea
[06:22] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  thers official planetrtcw or whateger sites.. that have the downloads.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> teufel_,  check out "savage" for a decent game also.
[06:23] <teufel_> im on it
[06:23] <teufel_> thanx
[06:23] <Dr_willis> www.evolvedclan.com i thinkis the site for that
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Savage2 is DUE out soon for Linux - Comercial Game. :) watch for it.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> also "Darwinia" has a linux port. and ive seen it in the bargin bins for $10 or so. :) a must get if you find it.
[06:24] <bill57785> how do I install svn?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> a RTS game with a bit of a twist.
[06:24] <genii> bill57785: You may need to put "subversion" instead of "svn" in the command.
[06:24] <Jucato> bill57785: sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:24] <bill57785> ok, thanks I'll try it
[06:24] <genii> bill57785: eg: sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:24] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[06:25] <bill57785> "Couldn't find package subversion"
[06:25] <Dr_willis> skittles dident say goodbye.. :()
[06:25] <bill57785> something to do with those repositories, I know
[06:25] <bill57785> but I dont get the whole repository thing
[06:26] <bill57785> genii?
[06:27] <genii> bill57785: There is a file /etc/apt/sources.list whichj contains a list of sites to contact for downloads of packages to install. They have subdirectories such as main universe and such. Some repositories are not enabled by default for various reasons
[06:28] <Cobra-Bubbles> yum
[06:28] <Cobra-Bubbles> Koolaid+Carbon=Win
[06:28] <genii> bill57785: Which dist of ubuntu do you have? dapper edgy etc
[06:28] <Minataku> genii: Thanks for the news and sorry for the late reply XD
[06:28] <bill57785> dapper
[06:29] <genii> bill57785: So in the file described, urls should look something like: deb http://countrycode.archive.ubuntu.com/dists/dapper       then some specific dirs there to include
[06:30] <genii> !info subversion dapper
[06:30] <ubotu> subversion: advanced version control system (aka. svn). In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.1-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 3016 kB
[06:31] <genii> bill57785: So the bot tells us the package is in "main" repository which should be there by default
[06:32] <genii> bill57785: Please try first:   sudo apt-get update    then the other command
[06:32] <Stalk3r> well, kopete rules compared to ayttm
[06:32] <Cobra-Bubbles> O_Ox I killed Adept Manager by accident...damnit
[06:32] <Stalk3r> g'night everyone
[06:32] <genii> eg sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:32] <Cobra-Bubbles> And now...it won't reopen
[06:33] <Cobra-Bubbles> rebooting tiiime!
[06:33] <bill57785> the main repository isnt there though, I dont think
[06:33] <bill57785> unless that is the backports
[06:33] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: what won't open?
[06:34] <genii> bill57785: No, backports is another location.
[06:34] <bill57785> well thats what I thought
[06:34] <bill57785> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9978/
[06:35] <genii> bill57785: Anyhow, if you use something like  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list         you can open the file in root mode and uncomment all the lines which start with # deb   then save it, try again   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:35] <SolidSource> jucato: you know the run command for running a script in konsole? trying to create a script I made
[06:36] <SolidSource> jucato: a link to a script
[06:36] <genii> bill57785: OK, reading
[06:36] <Jucato> SolidSource: ./filename
[06:36] <bill57785> thanks ^_^
[06:36] <SolidSource> jucato: tried...doesn't work
[06:36] <Jucato> SolidSource: depends on what script though.. that's for a bash script and an executable...
[06:36] <Jucato> SolidSource: sh ./filename ?
[06:36] <Jucato> (no ?)
[06:37] <SolidSource> jucato: tried that, I need it so that in opens konsole and runs the script
[06:37] <Jucato> SolidSource: aah.. hm... "konsole -e filename" I think... not entirely sure
[06:37] <genii> bill57785: remove the # from before every line which has # deb  to start it by using nano in root mode as I said above. then save the file, run:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:38] <bill57785> k
[06:38] <SolidSource> Jucato: yay...that was it
[06:40] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: what program wouldn't open?
[06:40] <bill57785> ok, editted it, what do I press to save?
[06:40] <Cobra_Bubbles> adept MAnager
[06:40] <Cobra_Bubbles> And...still won't
[06:40] <genii> bill57785: ctrl-x  then Y to save it
[06:41] <bill57785> ok...wasn't sure what the ^ was for
[06:41] <max_> how do i know if i have edgy or fiesty
[06:41] <Cobra_Bubbles> I need to close the process
[06:41] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: then you just try again...it happens cause kdesu/sudo gets stuck sometimes
[06:42] <Cobra_Bubbles> now it's opening Adept Manager in Red-Only Mode
[06:42] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: close all adept
[06:42] <Cobra_Bubbles> Yeah...How?
[06:43] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: in kkonsole run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[06:43] <max_> how do i know if i have edgy or fiesty?
[06:43] <Jucato> max_: type "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[06:43] <bill57785> ok, subversion installed fine
[06:43] <SolidSource> max_: feisty hasn't been realed yet
[06:44] <genii> bill57785: I'm sort of away from keyboard maybe 3-5 minutes but returning
[06:44] <max_> i know
[06:44] <SolidSource> released
[06:44] <max_> i did an upgrade
[06:44] <bill57785> ok, its fine
[06:44] <max_> wanted to make sure it worked
[06:44] <Cobra_Bubbles> Hey, there we go
[06:44] <Cobra_Bubbles> Now...To try out WINE
[06:45] <max_> which it did
[06:45] <SolidSource> max_: easiest way to look is merely by looks...feisty shutdown/logout dialog is way different
[06:45] <Skuller> Cobra_Bubbles: also try out !adeptfix when it wont open
[06:46] <Skuller> !adeptfix | Cobra_Bubbles
[06:46] <ubotu> Cobra_Bubbles: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:46] <max_> SolidSource: is it? *checks* im trying to find some changes in it
[06:46] <SolidSource> skuller: told him
[06:46] <Skuller> SolidSource: sorry..dint notice
[06:47] <SolidSource> max_: yes, its a little more visual
[06:47] <Cobra_Bubbles> hrm, now it won't download WINE
[06:47] <max_> i saw, i like it
[06:47] <max_> do you know any othrt visual changes?
[06:47] <SolidSource> Skuller: just don't want ya to go into more details without need
[06:47] <SolidSource> max_: not right off the bat
[06:48] <Skuller> SolidSource: lol..i dont think i am in a position yet to go into any details with kubuntu usage...consideering my limited knowledge earned from people like you here
[06:49] <Skuller> *considering my little knowledge, and that also is credited to people like you here
[06:49] <Cobra_Bubbles> I go to download WINE with adept and get this.. "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[06:49] <SolidSource> skuller: lol, beauty of linus is that is easy to learn anyway
[06:49] <SolidSource> linux*
[06:50] <genii> bill57785: OK, back. Did you try to continue with the instructions you were originally trying then?
[06:50] <SolidSource> Cobra-Bubbles: install using konsole
[06:50] <Skuller> SolidSource: but still requires people with higher knowledge, like you, to teach
[06:50] <bill57785> yes
[06:50] <genii> bill57785: Cuccessfully I hope?
[06:50] <genii> *Successfully*
[06:50] <Cobra_Bubbles> hrm
[06:50] <bill57785> but when I try the svn command (svn cat https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hackndev/linux4palm/tools/unpdb.py > unpdb.py) it just sits there for a few minutes then gives me another command line
[06:50] <chino> mplayer built into mozilla seems a bit messed up
[06:51] <genii> <-- needs coffee
[06:51] <SolidSource> skuller: and yet I still have so far to go
[06:51] <eric> how do i get my clock so its not in military time?
[06:51] <SolidSource> chino: did you configure it?
[06:51] <bill57785> I need coffee too lol
[06:51] <chino> idk its just got the window cut off half way
[06:51] <genii> bill57785: Yes, all that (hopefully) did was make a file in the directory in which it ran called unpdb.py   this is some python script
[06:52] <SolidSource> chino: oh, yeah I see that every now and then
[06:52] <Cobra_Bubbles> I don't even know the command for that ><
[06:52] <SolidSource> chino: but don't see any of the actually video being cut
[06:52] <Skuller> SolidSource: yes..true that...and that fact is what stops people like me from flying high in pride just because they know how to install using konsole's apt-get
[06:52] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: "sudo apt-get install wine"
[06:52] <bill57785> hmm, maybe....
[06:52] <genii> bill57785: Hopefully you have python installed already to run it LOL
[06:52] <bill57785> let me try something
[06:52] <Cobra_Bubbles> wait
[06:53] <Cobra_Bubbles> I just figured that one out right before you said it
[06:53] <Cobra_Bubbles> hehe thanks
[06:53] <bill57785> there it goes
[06:53] <bill57785> well, I had done that svn in the wrong directory
[06:53] <bill57785> so it was looking for the file in the wrong spot
[06:53] <genii> bill57785: Glad it's all continuing now
[06:54] <bill57785> ok
[06:54] <bill57785> I'll keep ya updated
[06:54] <genii> :)
[06:54] <Whiz2> anyone here know how to configure lighttpd, and php5-cgi? I followed instructions I found on google, but now my web server won't ok at all
[06:54] <Whiz2> work*
[06:54] <miltos> hi ppl:-] 
[06:55] <genii> I need to go make another pot of coffee anyhow, so break time
[06:55] <genii> Hi miltos
[06:55] <Whiz2> i did this after someone suggested I google the question.
[06:55] <SolidSource> there has to be an easier way than samba to share files with windows
hi..
[06:57] <miltos> my kubuntu for some reason has no sound since yesterday ...sth with kmix i don't know...it's very strange as i watched a dvd yesterday...
[06:57] <Cobra_Bubbles> miltos what soundcard do you have?
[06:58] <bill57785> ok, here's a nasty one for ya
[06:58] <chino> omg its 2 am!
[06:58] <bill57785> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9980/
[06:59] <genii> bill57785: OK, reading
[06:59] <SolidSource> miltos: last time my sound stopped working, I just reinstalled alsa and alsa-oss and it started working again
[07:00] <SolidSource> miltos: for me it was caused by an upgrade
[07:01] <bill57785> where it says "[1] +  Done"....does that mean that it altered the zip file at all? if so, I should probably rebuild it
[07:01] <genii> bill57785: I think you may have missed either a | or a > or >> just before word "import" in command. It echoed to the console
[07:02] <elijah> hi everyone
i am going to reinstall alsa and alsa-oss...do you have the commands handy?
[07:03] <genii> bill57785: Lemme scrutinize the webpage you are going from for a minute or 2 to see if there is some syntax problem. Away for a minute or 2 (have the addie from before)
[07:03] <elijah> i tried to install wine "sudo apt-get install wine" but it keeps on saying that "E: wine package is not avaialable, obsoleted or missing."
[07:03] <elijah> why is that?
[07:03] <SolidSource> miltos: I just did it in adept but the command is "sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa alas-oss"
[07:03] <bill57785> ok
[07:03] <GeorgeMoney> Hello, I was in here before and asked a question but had to exit before i could get a response. I will repeat it, with some more updates. If anyone could help and advise me what to do, that would be great :D . The problem was: I saw python was installed on my Kubuntu system, but really had no use for it. So i did a apt-get remove python, but this had some unwanted and unexpected side...
[07:03] <GeorgeMoney> ...effects: it also uninstalled major parts of my system such as the adept thing. I then tried to reboot, but on logon, i got an error that kdm was not found. Will I have to completely reinstall kubuntu? Or is there an easy fix? thanks!
[07:04] <GeorgeMoney> sorry if that was really long :/
[07:04] <miltos> SolidSource ...i am doing it via adept rigth now...wait..
[07:04] <SolidSource> elijah: run " sudo apt-get update" and try again
[07:04] <elijah> ferret, you here?
[07:04] <Cobra_Bubbles> okay so WINE is installed... Now I just grab and run Skype-Windows like I would otherwise?
[07:04] <userund> GeorgeMoney, as far as I know a lot of programs on Ubuntu depend on python.  Uninstalling it means you're breaking functionality
[07:05] <elijah> solidsource, is the installation of wine still dependent on the internet?
[07:05] <crazy_bus> how long does it take for k3b to start burning a dvd iso.  Its being on starting writing for around 5 minutes with no changes
[07:05] <SolidSource> elijah: it will need to download the packages yes
[07:05] <GeorgeMoney> userund: is there a way i can reinstall all these? i just want to basically revert the uninstall... do you think i might have to go on some live cd then install some special way?
[07:05] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: maybe....may need windows DLL files
[07:05] <userund> GeorgeMoney, get a Konsole and type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", this should replace the uninstalled packages
[07:06] <GeorgeMoney> userund: well the problem is, i cant even log on :(
[07:06] <Cobra_Bubbles> Hrm... It needs to setup first...
[07:07] <genii> bill57785: It seems to be some nested doublequote/singlequote issue which gets escaped before it should and considers "&gt" a new command to execute when it should be part of the first series
[07:07] <userund> GeorgeMoney, ah.  can you not boot EITHER option in grub to get the kernel to run?  Under the main option there's another that takes you to a root terminal without a GUI.  You could enter the command there
[07:07] <elijah> solidspource, but i already have the wine package on my machine?
[07:08] <SolidSource> elijah: wine is installed?
[07:08] <elijah> my friend just did the same and it worked on his machine
[07:08] <bill57785> lol uh ok
[07:08] <bill57785> solution?
[07:08] <GeorgeMoney> userund: I can boot into the ubuntu kernel via GRUB, just when i get to the log in screen, it dies because kdm is gone. though i could boot directly into a command line like you said....
[07:08] <Cobra_Bubbles> Hrm....
[07:08] <elijah> nope, only the extracted package
[07:08] <SolidSource> elijah: or did you just download from winehq?
[07:08] <elijah> yup
[07:08] <miltos> SolidSource, i've just removed alsa base and alsa-oss...do i have to reinstall sth else?
[07:08] <elijah> only from winehq
[07:09] <userund> GeorgeMoney, yes, try the second option to boot to CLI.  Then run that command.  If it says you have no internet, try dhclient eth0 (or whatever your network interface is called)
[07:09] <genii> bill57785: Looking into it
[07:09] <SolidSource> elijah: well wine is in the repos...thats the best and easiest way of install
[07:09] <bill57785> lol ok thank you ^_^
[07:09] <Cobra_Bubbles> got a frozen Skype Splash-screen over everything @_@x
[07:09] <bill57785> as you can see, I am very close
[07:09] <SolidSource> miltos: no, if those are re-installed, it should work
[07:09] <bill57785> to finishing
[07:09] <elijah> okay so how will i do that? thru konsole right?
[07:09] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: yes, need DLLs
[07:10] <SolidSource> elijah: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine"
[07:10] <GeorgeMoney> userund: so is this command line the special grub option, or is there an option to specifically boot to a sh command line? (I don't remember, as I'm on my windows partition right now on the same computer)
[07:10] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: you also will need windows fonts
[07:10] <SolidSource> !MS fonts
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ms fonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:11] <Cobra_Bubbles> oops
[07:11] <SolidSource> !fonts
[07:11] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:11] <Cobra_Bubbles> Accidentally logged off
[07:11] <elijah> thanks solidsource i'll try that
[07:11] <Cobra_Bubbles> I saw this last "You need DLL's"
[07:11] <genii> bill57785: I have an idea but will pastebin it for you. Give me a moment
[07:11] <userund> GeorgeMoney, when you boot up the computer grub usually shows you four or five options by default: boot to full GUI (first line), boot to root shell (second line), run memtest, or boot another OS like windows.  Run the root shell
[07:11] <SolidSource> !fonts > Cobra_Bubbles
[07:11] <Cobra_Bubbles> !fonts
[07:11] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:11] <sys0110> that windows installer is really cool http://goodbye-microsoft.com/          or                https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe/Prototype
[07:11] <bill57785> ok, anything works at the moment...I'm getting desperate
[07:12] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: the DLLs though will be a little more difficult
[07:12] <GeorgeMoney> userund: from what i remember, all I see is boot to ubuntu kernel, boot to recovery mode, boot to old ubuntu kernel, boot to old recovery mode, boot to windows
[07:12] <Cobra_Bubbles> Well if I can find which ones I need. I can grab them off of a Windows box
[07:12] <userund> GeorgeMoney, recovery mode is the root shell.  Sorry, it's been quite a while since I've rebooted ;)
[07:12] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: be nice if it was that easy
[07:13] <Cobra_Bubbles> I'm ready to do this thing. Lay it on me
[07:13] <Cobra_Bubbles> well
[07:13] <Cobra_Bubbles> hang on
[07:13] <Cobra_Bubbles> I'm using apt-get to install those fontpacks
[07:14] <GeorgeMoney> userund: ah ok, thank you for all the help :D I'm gonna play with this tomorrow as i'm tired..
[07:14] <userund> GeorgeMoney|Away, good luck
[07:14] <genii> bill57785:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9981/
[07:15] <Cobra_Bubbles> .. This calls for a little Habanera
[07:16] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: well...here follow this, found skype may not need the DLLs (wine has some built), though other programs with.......but here is intructions on installing skype 3.0
[07:16] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=6210
[07:18] <Cobra_Bubbles> #winecfg?
[07:18] <bill57785> ok, I'll continue with the rest of the steps and we'll see if it works
[07:18] <bill57785> ^_^
[07:19] <miltos> Solidsource...do i have to reboot?
[07:19] <elijah> solidsource, if i will try the wine update, will i get the same package that i can get from winehq?
[07:19] <SolidSource> miltos: may need to re-login, but shouldn't have to reboot
[07:20] <miltos> ok...
[07:20] <genii> bill57785: Hangon, found something. Don't continue yet
[07:21] <SolidSource> elijah: the one in the repos is going to work the best, it may not be the exact one on the website, but problems come with using the one from winehq
[07:21] <genii> bill57785: Some codes were inserted on the page you were working from when the author pasted it in. I found the actual command which it is suposed to be. There should be no > symbol in it
[07:21] <keesercc> anybody run automatix with kubuntu fiesty fawn herd 5?
[07:21] <SolidSource> automatix is EVIL
[07:22] <keesercc> it helps us noobs
[07:22] <elijah> ummm, ok, thanks solidsource :)
[07:22] <genii> bill57785: Link with proper command to paste from: http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119585
[07:22] <elijah> you're the man
[07:22] <SolidSource> it hurts the machine automatix does....
[07:22] <keesercc> Is it better to just apt-get everything?
[07:22] <Cobra_Bubbles> Awwww
[07:23] <SolidSource> apt-get is better
[07:23] <SolidSource> elijah: the reason is that the ubuntu team (or someone) has created the DEB that is in the repos and has tested it
[07:24] <Cobra_Bubbles> Meh
[07:25] <genii> bill57785: The problemmatic "&gt" is some remnant from a cut/paste the author must have done from html source and did not get replaced to a ">"
[07:25] <Cobra_Bubbles> ole error
[07:25] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: skype won't install following those?
[07:25] <ndot> hey can someone help me with alsamizer please?
[07:26] <ndot> mixer*
[07:26] <Cobra_Bubbles> oh it's installed
[07:26] <Cobra_Bubbles> It's trying to connect and giving an ole error when it does
[07:26] <SolidSource> ndot: ?
[07:26] <Cobra_Bubbles> I need to uninstall and try again
[07:26] <ndot> i keep seeing all over the place to unmute channels in alsamizer..but i dont kno how to launch it
[07:26] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: yeah, I just installed the windows skype myself...and it won't connect...neither is the linux one
[07:27] <edward_> anyone can tell me how to enable all the respositories??
[07:27] <SolidSource> ndot: kmix isn't doing it for ya?
[07:27] <Cobra_Bubbles> It'd be better if I had some way of stopping it from trying to connect when I run it
[07:28] <ndot> orginal problem -> i have no sound...i tried installing the latest rc1 ...sound was perfect in ubuntu..switched over to KDE manager....poof no sound
[07:28] <ndot> and now its not working in eithe rof them
[07:28] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: there is, just have to get it up and running and change the setting
[07:28] <edward_> how do you enable access to the repositories?
[07:29] <ndot> i have an intel hda on an asus w3j lappy
[07:29] <Cobra_Bubbles> It tries to autoconnect and like a second later it crashes
[07:29] <SolidSource> ndot: well that sounds more of a package problem
[07:29] <SolidSource> edward: uncomment them in the sources.list or update your list (more suggested) with the one from source-o-matic
[07:29] <ndot> i then installed the latest stable one, 1.0.13....again nothing....shud i install the libraries....or remove wat synaptic is showin (1.0.11)?
[07:30] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > edward_
[07:30] <SolidSource> ndot: if you have more than one alsa driver installed, you will have problems
[07:30] <genii> edward in konsole do: kdesu kate    then open the file  /etc/apt/sources.list   remove all # before lines which read # deb   or # deb-src    then save the file. Then do a package manager update or by koncole:  sudo apt-get update
[07:30] <ndot> ahhhh so get rid of the old ones synaptic is showin up with
[07:31] <Cobra_Bubbles> I've come too damn far to fail now
[07:31] <ndot> one more thing....somehow an alsabase swp file was made and i cant get rid of it cuz im not root...how do i resolve this
[07:32] <Cobra_Bubbles> Hrm...
[07:32] <SolidSource> ndot: you would have to kdesu konqueror and then browse to that folder to delete it...but if its needed, could cause problems
[07:37] <bill57785> ok
[07:37] <bill57785> well it is sitting at a "palmOne" screen right now
[07:37] <bill57785> ....
[07:37] <Cobra_Bubbles> grrrr
[07:37] <bill57785> not sure if it worked or what
[07:37] <deathnote> !beryl
[07:37] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:37] <genii> bill57785: Well, sounds hopeful anyhow :) I dunno if I can be of any help here, don't own one
[07:38] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: taking it that skype still crashing?
[07:38] <Jucato> Skuller: for historical reasons :)
[07:38] <deathnote> i would like to know about installing beryl on kubuntu and on other distro eg: sabayon
[07:38] <SolidSource> skuller: because KDE was an after thought
[07:39] <deathnote> i would like to know about installing beryl on kubuntu and on other distro eg: sabayon.. is it easy/stable to install beryl on kubuntu than on other distros?
[07:39] <bill57785> lol
[07:39] <Skuller> SolidSource: how dare you insult KDE calling it an 'afterthought'?...LOL...no offence man
[07:39] <Jucato> Skuller: heh :)
[07:39] <Jucato> no really... there was no plan to have a KDE-based deriv of Ubuntu in the beginning
[07:39] <bill57785> well it said that the palm would partition the other parts of the compact flash....maybe thats what it's doing
[07:39] <bill57785> and it just turned off :(
[07:39] <SolidSource> skuller: KDE seems to be an after thought...except in Fedora, SuSE, and BSD
[07:39] <Skuller> Jucato: hmm...historical reasons huh?....k i'll accept that for now...but the developers better come up with a better reason soon
[07:40] <Skuller> SolidSource: ohh...cool
[07:40] <Jucato> Skuller: what? there's a better reason than historical reasons? O.o
[07:40] <uros> hi all. how do i run a command as superuser automatically on startup?
[07:40] <Skuller> lol
[07:40] <genii> bill57785: Well, reboot it and see if it pops up with palmos I suppose
[07:41] <Jucato> SolidSource: you forgot KNOPPIX, MEPIS, Linspire, Mandriva, etc :)
[07:41] <SolidSource> Jucato: no I hate those...so I left them out on purpose
[07:41] <genii> bill57785: According to the tutorial that is what is supposed to happen
[07:41] <Jucato> SolidSource: just as an example :)
[07:42] <bill57785> lol
[07:42] <bill57785> but it sat there for 15 minutes and then turned off
[07:42] <SolidSource> Jucato: Mandriva would be better if it stayed Mandrake and remained free....my first linux was mandrake
[07:42] <genii> bill57785: Well, yes, the last step was a dd operation which takes a while
[07:42] <bill57785> maybe the batteries went dead...in which case I need to do it all over again because it would have screwed up part way through the partitioning
[07:44] <Chetwin> Hello all!  I was wondering if anyone had advice on [installing kubuntu-desktop from an ubuntu installation]  I want to remove all the gnome junk that is in my kmenu
[07:44] <Cobra_Bubbles> I feel like cussing, and murder
[07:44] <Chetwin> Can I remove the programs [not 1 by 1]  instead of just removing them from the kmenu
[07:44] <bill57785> well this isnt good
[07:44] <bill57785> now I can't open the flash card in linux anymore
[07:44] <bill57785> :(
[07:45] <Cobra_Bubbles> For some reason, using WINE uninstaller to uninstall Skype did jack and shit, Skype is still there and I don't know where "there" is
[07:45] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me.  K3b wont burn a dvd iso for some reason.  It starts the burn screen but wont progress from there.  The time counts but nothing else changes.
[07:45] <Chetwin> Cobra: /home/user/.wine/drive_c
[07:45] <Chetwin> wine is hidden
[07:45] <Skuller> Cobra_Bubbles: why are you using wine to get skype?
[07:46] <genii> bill57785: Sorry, can't be of much help there :(
[07:46] <Chetwin> crazy: k3b is a crap shute and no one seems to know how to solve any issues with it.
[07:46] <Chetwin> I suggest installing banshee
[07:46] <SolidSource> skuller: for the video features
[07:46] <Skuller> SolidSource: so did it work?
[07:46] <Chetwin> crazy: but that wont burn your dvds, only music cds so i guess it's not of much help to you
[07:47] <SolidSource> skuller: it installed for him...but it keeps crashing
[07:47] <SolidSource> chetwin: K3B burns DVDs
[07:47] <genii> bill57785: Likely it is now some fat type of fs on it maybe try mount with -t vfat   option
[07:47] <Chetwin> Solid, since when does k3b do anything properly out of the box on kubuntu
[07:47] <Skuller> SolidSource: hmm...oh n i could not get my webcam to work with kubuntu...so no point...
[07:48] <bill57785> well like normally it pops up and tell me I cannected something
[07:48] <bill57785> and my printer recognizes it, but linux doesnt
[07:48] <crazy_bus> is there anyother program to burn dvd iso's?
[07:48] <SolidSource> chetwin: well K3B is what I use to burn DVDs and CDs with no problems...right out of the box (with the addition of the MP3 plugin for it)
[07:49] <genii> bill57785: If you didn't unmount or eject it likely it still thinks it's plugged in
[07:49] <Cobra_Bubbles> ok this is getting ridiculous
[07:49] <SolidSource> crazy_bus: you could try Nero...but its really restricted
[07:49] <bill57785> I unmounted before I pulled it out of the card reader
[07:49] <bill57785> put it in the palm
[07:49] <genii> nero for linux sucks royally actually
[07:49] <crazy_bus> i dont have the windows version so I cant use the linux one
[07:49] <bill57785> the palm turned on for about 15 minutes with a palmOne screen
[07:50] <bill57785> then shut off, and now linux wont even recognize it
[07:50] <Skuller> Chetwin: even i have had no probs with k3b...can you tell me some problems in it so i can be prepared for such issues in the future?
[07:50] <bill57785> wait, we got a palOne screen again (I plugged it into the life drive again)
[07:50] <SolidSource> crazy_bus: that never stopped me when I was testing...though I'm happy with K3B
[07:50] <bill57785> we'll see what happens
[07:50] <crazy_bus> I really like k3b.  This has been the first problem i've had with it
[07:50] <Skuller> genii: there is nero for linux?
[07:51] <Chetwin> I can't get k3b to burn anything
[07:51] <genii> bill57785: Since we are drifting offtopic here, if you want further help on it we should private msg for consideration of others unless someone else is also following the thread
[07:51] <SolidSource> crazy_bus: oh, do you have all the DVD libs installed?
[07:51] <Chetwin> It gives me the permission error and the k3bsetup2 does nothing to fix it
[07:51] <crazy_bus> what dvd libs?
[07:51] <Skuller> all i knew was libdvdcss2
[07:51] <SolidSource> chetwin: thats cause you need to go into kcontrol and set the group for it
[07:51] <genii> Skuller: There is a nero version for linux but it works horribly and the program k3b is much better
[07:51] <crazy_bus> I'm just trying to use the k3b installed by default
[07:52] <Chetwin> I'll try that
[07:52] <SolidSource> theres also libdvdnav and libdvdplay, but those are for watching DVDs
[07:53] <crazy_bus> is k3b capable of burning a dvd iso on its own without extra libs?
[07:53] <SolidSource> chetwin: by default only root can burn a disc...but if activate burning group and set it to "CD-ROM" it will work find
[07:53] <Skuller> genii: but i guess it should be good or at least a bit of relief for people who are ttly used 2 nero's interface....no?
[07:53] <SolidSource> fine*
[07:54] <Skuller> crazy_bus: yes...i have done that
[07:54] <SolidSource> crazy_bus: you will need libdvdcss2
[07:54] <Skuller> yea..lol...forgot to mention that
[07:54] <crazy_bus> this is a iso I made with devede
[07:54] <Skuller> devede?...wow
[07:54] <genii> Skuller LOL yeah, if someone is completely craving something to burn in linux that they recognise I suppose they may like it
[07:54] <SolidSource> ummm if thats similar to PowerISO...thats not a normal ISO
[07:54] <thomax_> !grub | thomax_
[07:55] <SolidSource> even running windows and using nero, PowerISO ISOs don't burn too well
[07:56] <genii> bill57785: Hmm, private msg to you seems not working. Likely your nick is not registered
[07:56] <Jucato> !register
[07:56] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:56] <genii> Jucato Thx
[07:56] <Skuller> how do i make iso's or an image in other formats like mds, ccd, bin/cue and also burn them in kubun?
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: how can I play mp3s?
[07:57] <Cobra_Bubbles> oookay, now I'm getting somewhere, it seems
[07:57] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: don't know. I don't use Xubuntu :P
[07:57] <Cobra_Bubbles> My WINE folder is empty
[07:57] <Cobra_Bubbles> O_O
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: lol/
[07:57] <Knightlust> Admiral_Chicago: use AmaroK
[07:57] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: what's a krappy joke about KDE?
[07:57] <Knightlust> wait
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Knightlust: i'm kidding.
[07:57] <Knightlust> that's a joke
[07:57] <Skuller> Admiral_Chicago: use a music plater like amarok and get the mp3 codec
[07:57] <Knightlust> hehehe
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: omg, the Kool Desktop Enviroment
[07:57] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lol :D
[07:58] <Knightlust> hehehe, nice one Admiral_Chicago!
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> I know how to play mp3s, I'm just bugging Jucato
[07:58] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: you see me on the planet now too :)
[07:58] <Skuller> lol
[07:58] <Jucato> yeah. he's trying so hard to bug me :)
[07:58] <Skuller> i knew it...i have seen admiral helpin out ppl in complicated stuff
[07:58] <SolidSource> skuller: MP3 codec...thats just libxine-extracodecs though
[07:58] <Slynderdale> How to you change a folders permissions from root to the current user?
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> really, you going to blog ever Jucato ?
[07:59] <SolidSource> Slynderdale: if its root....you really probably don't want to change it
[07:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: what? you still haven't seen me?
[07:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: although I forgot to add my hackergotchi lol
[07:59] <Skuller> i havent seen any one of you btw...:(
[07:59] <Cobra_Bubbles> Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system32" is not accessible.
[07:59] <Slynderdale> SolidSource: Its a folder I created using the sudo command, or in the very least, how do I move it to my home directory from my desktop?
[08:00] <Skuller> SolidSource: oh..i didnt know about the libxine-extracodec thingy....cool
[08:00] <SolidSource> Slynderdale: if its just that, easy GUI way would be to alt+F2 >> "kdesu konqueror"
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: hackergotchi is there
[08:00] <SolidSource> Slynderdale: then just move it to where it needs to be
[08:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah, I had to commit it after I added my blog.... :(
[08:01] <Jucato> so that means 2 commits
[08:01] <Cobra_Bubbles> Oh crud
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> ah.
[08:01] <Cobra_Bubbles> I deleted EVERYTHING from WINE
[08:01] <Skuller> i feel konqueror is not as good as firefox when it comes to normal surfing...i had a lot of issues with konqi surfing
[08:02] <SolidSource> skuller: yeah, I feel the same way...konqi is not efficient enough for me
[08:03] <Skuller> SolidSource: i guess by not being efficient for you u refer to using hardcore features of a browser....i feel its not even efficient in normal surfing
[08:03] <SolidSource> don't know how you can....I love my extensions
[08:03] <Skuller> Jucato: what is good about it?
[08:03] <Cobra_Bubbles> Is there any help for a (Total moron) who erased his entire /wine folder?/
[08:04] <Slynderdale> Anyone knowa good FTP server for linux?
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Cobra_Bubbles: check your trash can?
[08:04] <SolidSource> Slynderdale: I use proftpd...though most don't care for it
[08:04] <Jucato> Skuller: fast, light. KDE integration,
[08:04] <bill57785> sorry for ignoring you guys. You have been an absolutely huge help, especially genii. I'm gonna have to take this problem to a palm hacking support forum. Thanks again.
[08:04] <Jucato> standards-compliant, etc. but sure it's not perfect
[08:04] <bill57785> later
[08:04] <genii> Slynderdale: Yes, proftpd
[08:05] <Cobra_Bubbles> Empty
[08:05] <SolidSource> jucato:I get faster page loads in firefox
[08:05] <Jucato> YMMV
[08:05] <genii> bill57785 Best luck
[08:05] <Skuller> Jucato: i dont reali care/feel much about your first two points compared to firefox...can you elaborate on 'KDE Integration' a bit more please?
[08:06] <deathnote> !ati
[08:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:06] <Cobra_Bubbles> And I've removed/reinstaleld WINE af ew times now
[08:06] <Cobra_Bubbles> Nothing
[08:07] <SolidSource> jucato: even with KDE integration, it doesn't have the custom ability
[08:07] <genii> Slynderdale: There are some good instructions here , but do the second methood since you are using KDE http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588
[08:07] <Jucato> Skuller: KDE-integration: works well with KDE features/technologies, like kio (ftp:/, ssh:/, fish:/, etc.), and KParts (embedded app viewers), takes advantage of apps like KGet, looks normal in KDE (widget style)
[08:07] <Cobra_Bubbles> It seems that removing WINE doesn't get rid of all of it's files, and replacing it doesn't put them back
[08:07] <Cobra_Bubbles> ><
[08:07] <Jucato> look, I'm not arguing your choices. so let's leave it at that ok?
[08:07] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: nope...thats purging
[08:08] <genii> Slynderdale: In the second method where it says gedit replace that with another editor like nano
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> omg Jucato stop antagonizing everyone
[08:08] <Jucato> O.o
[08:08] <Cobra_Bubbles> Purging is what I need
[08:08] <SolidSource> Jucato: well i know...but whats the fun in that
[08:08] <Cobra_Bubbles> Then
[08:08] <Cobra_Bubbles> So that I can reinstall WINE and start form scratch
[08:08] <deathnote> hi.. is it normal for a ATI Radeon mobility M6, when i type fglrxinfo it shows "OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.     OpenGL renderer string : Mesa DRI Radeon xxxxxxxxxxxAGP etc" ?
i've tried everything and i've got no sound on my kubuntu
[08:08] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: WINE is a pain in general
[08:09] <Jucato> SolidSource: you and I have a different understanding of fun. so let's leave it at that, too
[08:09] <Cobra_Bubbles> I agree, but worth it for this.
[08:09] <Skuller> Jucato: ok i didnt get anything that you explained, since i dont know/use any of those features in my surfing....i guess konqi is good for bigtime net surfers...i'll suffice with firefox for now and some time to come...thanx for the info
[08:09] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: I prefer crossover linux...though that costs money
[08:09] <Skuller> Admiral_Chicago: hugs?...FxFTW?
[08:09] <genii> miltos Sound problems are not my strength unfortunately
[08:09] <Cobra_Bubbles> So... How do I purge?
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> firefox for the win.
[08:09] <Skuller> yay...lol
[08:09] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: "sudo apt-get remove --purge wine"
[08:10] <Slynderdale> g
[08:10] <genii> miltos I can try to help a bit if you like
[08:10] <miltos> so..someone will help me with sound...any ideas?
[08:10] <deathnote> Tungsten graphics ? wasn't it suppose to be ATI technologies or something
[08:10] <deathnote> did i install it wrongly?
 ok...
[08:10] <genii> miltos Are you seeing a speaker icon on bottom right?
[08:10] <Slynderdale> genii: I have Gnome, KDE, Xfce and Enlightment installed, so gedit should work, though I will use kate
[08:10] <miltos> yes
[08:10] <genii> Slynderdale: OK, good, not a rookie :)
[08:11] <genii> miltos Does it have a red bar thru it or no?
[08:11] <deathnote> did someone read my msg?
[08:11] <Cobra_Bubbles> I purged WINE and reinstalled it but it still says Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system32" is not accessible.
[08:11] <Skuller> !purge
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <miltos> no it doesn't...when i put the mouse over it ...i've strength 100%
[08:13] <genii> miltos OK, so a simple thing to try: right-click on speaker icon. Open the mixer. Unmute any devices which say PCM and put up their volume
[08:13] <SolidSource> err...damn feisty, doesn't want to play nice tonight
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> SolidSource: I don't code. Can't code to save my life, but I am helping out with Mozilla Team and we are building a few patches for KDE integration
[08:13] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: yes, but by "help" could just be mentioning
[08:14] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: and yes, I have suggested the same in forums in the past
[08:14] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: btw, you've seen this right? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntegrateFirefoxWithKDE
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> help, as in the patch is pushed upstream and we are waiting for Mozilla's response
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no I haven't. okay sec
[08:15] <Cobra_Bubbles> How the hell can I COMPLETELY remove WINE so that I can reinstall it FROM SCRATCH?
[08:15] <SolidSource> Jucato: thank you...I was looking for that, since I can't get acroread installed
[08:15] <Jucato> genii: the what?
[08:15] <Cobra_Bubbles> WITH all the relevant files?
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> the biggest issue is that we package Mozilla's tar balls, and thats it
[08:15] <Jucato> SolidSource: can't you configure something in about:config to use kpdf instead?
[08:15] <Jucato> hm...
[08:15] <deathnote> apt-get remove wine
[08:16] <SolidSource> Jucato: thats what that page explains
[08:16] <Jucato> oh there...
[08:16] <Jucato> lol yeah heheh
nothing...
[08:16] <Jucato> go go go Admiral_Chicago
[08:16] <genii> Jucato: For an svg explanation: http://www.adobe.com/svg/
[08:17] <genii> Jucato Some mapservers use this. You can zoom in infinitely etc etc
[08:17] <SolidSource> Jucato: of course...I can't even use those directions
[08:17] <Jucato> genii: hm.. I thought you were talking about veiwing SVG images in Konqueror, which it can already do
[08:17] <genii> miltos Well, that is the only fast quick-fix from me then
thanks...anyway
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: any idea which version of KDE dapper uses...
[08:18] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.2 by default afaik
[08:18] <Cobra_Bubbles> Same.Exact.Results
[08:18] <Cobra_Bubbles> ...
[08:18] <Jucato> but upgradeable up to KDE 3.5.5 only
[08:18] <Cobra_Bubbles> EVERY SINGLE TIME, NO MATTER HOW
[08:18] <Jucato> Cobra_Bubbles: sorry, what's the problem again?
and sorry, but i need someother help...my usbflash icon doen't appear when i plug in my external HD device anymore...
[08:18] <Cobra_Bubbles> Is there NO reliable way to COMPLETELY remove something, and COMPLETELY reinstalle it from scratch?
[08:19] <Jucato> Cobra_Bubbles: have you removed the ~/.wine folder?
[08:19] <SolidSource> Cobra_Bubbles: some things need to be removed manually
[08:19] <Cobra_Bubbles> ~__~x
[08:19] <genii> Cobra_Bubbles: exaqmine the man page for dpkg there are several force remove type options
[08:19] <Jucato> Cobra_Bubbles: the package manager will only remove/purge files installed in places *except* the user's home directory
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: does the first part make sense. Fx as default browser... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntegrateFirefoxWithKDE
[08:20] <Cobra_Bubbles> okay
[08:20] <Cobra_Bubbles> Hre's where I am
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: afaik, there is no control center
[08:20] <Cobra_Bubbles> WINE is gone
[08:20] <MuJ> 7win20
[08:20] <Jucato> Cobra_Bubbles: so to completely remove wine, you need to make 2 steps. sudo apt-get remove --purge wine
[08:20] <MuJ> oops
[08:20] <Cobra_Bubbles> I have attempted to go to ./wine jsut to make sure
[08:20] <Jucato> Cobra_Bubbles: and delete the ~/.wine directory
[08:21] <genii> miltos The usb device still works but the icon does not display?
[08:21] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lacks a very important step: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[08:21] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: without that command, non-KDE apps will still launch Konqueror
[08:21] <Cobra_Bubbles> all is gone... Now
[08:21] <Cobra_Bubbles> I will sudo apt-get install wine
[08:22] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: but there's a problem... I don't know how to make that work if Firefox was installed from the tarball
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: didn't need to do that on my system.
[08:22] <Cobra_Bubbles> okay.. Now I am setting up Winecfg to support Skype
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I'll mail Mozilla Team, we will review it.
[08:22] <Cobra_Bubbles> (I will Pastebin every bit of this if it doesn't work this time)
[08:22] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: have you tried clicking links in non-KDE apps?
[08:22] <miltos> neither...
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> no, don't use any. still in my kde box
[08:23] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: most notably, Kubuntu users using GAIM or XChat experience this
[08:23] <genii> miltos You have other usb things which still work, or all usb things are not working now?
[08:23] <Jucato> because the Default Browser settings in KControl/System Settings only affect KDE apps :)
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, i see. well i'll put that in my notes.
[08:24] <uros>  hi all. how do i set a command to be run on startup?
[08:25] <miltos> only...the usb ntfs hd drives doen't work other's work...
[08:26] <genii> miltos please, when responding put like:          genii Hello               or so. Otherwise I have to watch closely for scroll and others do not know you are directing your message to me and not them.
[08:26] <SolidSource> Jucato: that site seems outdated, there is no "downloads" tab in firefox now.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntegrateFirefoxWithKDE
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: thanks for that.
ok
[08:26] <Jucato> SolidSource: I didn't write that page. I just know that it exists
[08:26] <genii> miltos Also I have to watch every line of scroll to catch your messages
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> SolidSource Jucato , i'm sending this to our team to review.
[08:26] <SolidSource> Jucato: yeah, just letting ya know
[08:26] <genii> miltos Thanks, but just genii  not <genii> please LOL
[08:27] <Jucato> SolidSource: but since both FIrefox 1.5 and 2.0 are supported, I think it makes sense to keep that still
[08:27] <miltos> genii...ok
[08:27] <SolidSource> trying to get kpdf to work through firefox....but there is no PDF line in filetypes
[08:27] <genii> miltos OK so as I understand... your other usb hard drives work but not the ntfs one?
[08:27] <Cobra_Bubbles> brb
[08:27] <miltos> gennii...yes
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> ah no wonder i never saw it. made last month, from a gentoo guide. blah.
[08:28] <miltos> genii...yes
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> okay bed now
[08:28] <genii> miltos OK. Please paste the contents of the file /etc/fstab    to the pastebin website
[08:28] <genii> !pastebin | miltos
[08:28] <ubotu> miltos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:29] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: g'night!
[08:30] <SolidSource> well...guess I have to stick to downloading and then opening PDFs
[08:30] <miltos> genii...here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9986/
[08:30] <genii> miltos OK, reading. Back shortly
[08:31] <Cobra_Bubbles> ... Aw well
[08:32] <Cobra_Bubbles> I give up on the WINE thing
[08:32] <SolidSource> Jucato: have you seen konquefox and mozilux? (firefox take offs)
[08:32] <jake_> what program for peer?
[08:32] <Jucato> SolidSource: konquefox yes I think
[08:32] <Jucato> jake_: what kind of peer to peer? KTorrent for torrents
[08:32] <eh-ef-kay> hello i have an odd problem That no one seems to be able to answer
[08:32] <Jucato> ?
[08:33] <SolidSource> Jucato: kind of interesting,, sounds like an attempt at getting firefox to take over konqui duties
[08:33] <Jucato> SolidSource: well...
[08:33] <eh-ef-kay> every i'd say hour or so when my wireless checks the lease to the router my lan ip changes and it only does it on the kubuntu side it never does this on the windows or freebsd box's i have
[08:34] <Cobra_Bubbles> My next option I suppose is to set up a dual-boot to Windows
[08:34] <genii> miltos OK, that file looks fine. The issue would seem to be in the detection system then for mass storage someplace.
[08:34] <Cobra_Bubbles> Meaning... I gotta figure out how to do that. I don't suppose it's as simple as making a new partition and isntalling XP onto it
[08:35] <SolidSource> Jucato: just says sounds....won't happen
[08:35] <Jucato> !dualboot
[08:35] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[08:35] <Jucato> Cobra_Bubbles: ^^^
[08:35] <Cobra_Bubbles> Thanks ^^
[08:35] <ndot> hey i got my sound working again. now im on beryl issues...it says xcomposite failed...how come?
[08:35] <genii> miltos A few minutes please while I do some research
[08:36] <jake_> like kazaa for windows
[08:36] <eh-ef-kay> any takers :D
[08:36] <miltos> genii...ok
[08:36] <kraut> moin
[08:36] <Cobra_Bubbles> I have to use the LIVECD to make a new Partition for Windows to use?
[08:36] <miltos> ndot...i've got problems with my sound system any help...
[08:37] <ndot> miltos: i had to install the latest *unstable* rc1 of alsa to get it working
[08:37] <ndot> lemme find the link hold on
[08:38] <miltos> ndot...did you install it via adept?
[08:38] <SolidSource> eh-ef-kay: I wish I could help...but not a wireless user, the wireless thing is actually still why I have windows on my laptop
[08:38] <ndot> nope...ok go to this link and follow everything..i did that and it all works now
[08:38] <null_> s;;tohjt
[08:38] <ndot> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324764
[08:38] <null_> ok
[08:39] <null_> isthg
[08:39] <null_> i need a sudo aptget install madwifi command
[08:39] <null_> or something
[08:39] <null_> i'm really tired and can't stay awake to do this
[08:39] <null_> god i feel like a windows n00b trying tof giure soeitmhg out
[08:39] <ndot> im no expert so if that doesnt woik ull have to come back in here and try to get it resolved
[08:39] <Cobra_Bubbles> Those directions seem to only be for if you have Windows installed already and want to add Kubuntu to that.
[08:39] <null_> i don't have yakuake installed oso ci cnaoot use terminal
[08:39] <null_> and i am so wasted :(!
[08:39] <genii> miltos Using a text editor in root mode open the file /etc/fstab and add to the bottom: none  /proc/bus/usb  usbdevfs  defaults  0  0              then save it again. Then from konsole do:  sudo mount -a
[08:39] <ndot> anyone here familiar with beryl problems??
[08:40] <miltos> genii ok
[08:40] <null_> beryl is the devil >_<
[08:41] <Slynderdale> genii:
[08:41] <Slynderdale>  - no such group 'nobody'
[08:41] <Slynderdale>  - Fatal: Group: Unknown group 'nobody' on line 19 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'
[08:41] <deathnote> hi.. how do i stop radeon module from loading up at startup?
[08:42] <deathnote> i did a lsmod | grep radeon and found out radeon and drm is loaded.. that stopped my fglrx from loading
[08:42] <deathnote> how do i remove it?
[08:42] <genii> Slynderdale: OK 1 minute
[08:46] <miltos> genii...konquer gives me the message "bad URL"
[08:47] <fdoving> deathnote: blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[08:47] <kuma> 
[08:47] <genii> Slynderdale: Try adding it with: sudo addgroup nobody 65534
[08:48] <Slynderdale> ge\
[08:48] <Slynderdale> genii: addgroup: The group `65534' does not exist.
[08:49] <fdoving> Slynderdale: sudo addgroup --uid 65534 nobody
[08:50] <fdoving> Slynderdale: but, you don't want to do that. because 'nogroup' exists already. use that group instead.
[08:50] <genii> fdoving thx, was looking it up LOL
[08:50] <fdoving> :)
[08:51] <genii> miltos What url did you put??
[08:52] <Cobra_Bubbles> Sooo... How do I get a VMWare image?
[08:53] <Slynderdale> fdoving:
[08:53] <Slynderdale>  - no such user 'nogroup'
[08:53] <Slynderdale>  - Fatal: User: Unknown user 'nogroup' on line 18 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'
[08:53] <miltos> genii, when i plugged my ntfs hd drive, daemon asked me to open it and it returned the error "bad URL"
[08:53] <thumper> Riddell: ping re bug 84717
[08:53] <thumper> Riddell: I'm happy to test on laptop and desktop
[08:54] <genii> Slynderdale: Yes, "nogroup" should be the group, not the user
[08:55] <fdoving> Slynderdale: user should be 'nobody', group should be 'nogroup'
[08:56] <Cobra_Bubbles> Nobody knows how I get/make a VMWare Image to install Windows XP onto?
[08:56] <genii> miltos Does directory /proc/bus/usb   exist on your system?
[08:57] <miltos> genii,yes
[08:58] <fdoving> Cobra_Bubbles: get the blank image linked to from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Player
[08:58] <Slynderdale> Bah, I can't get GPROFTPD to work
[08:58] <genii> miltos does file /etc/init.d/devfs  exist?
[08:59] <genii> Slynderdale: Did you choose standalone or inetd?
[08:59] <Slynderdale> inetd
[09:00] <genii> Slynderdale: standalone would be preferred unless you are running other services as well. If you put inetd then make sure inetd or xinetd is installed as well
[09:01] <Slynderdale> genii: How do you change it to standalone?
[09:01] <miltos> genii,no
[09:01] <genii> Slynderdale: In root editor change it in /etc/proftpd.conf    then do sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
[09:01] <genii> miltos OK, 1 minute
[09:02] <Cobra_Bubbles> oh wow... An online VMX generator
[09:02] <Cobra_Bubbles> Wesome
[09:02] <Cobra_Bubbles> Awesome, even
[09:03] <Slynderdale> genii: It already said ServerType standalone
[09:03] <genii> Slynderdale: OK. After any changes to that file make sure to restart it then as above described. Otherwise it is using cached group and so on
[09:04] <Cobra_Bubbles> /dns Cobra_Bubbles
[09:04] <deathnote> why after i modprobe -r radeon and drm , after rebooting, these 2 modules are still loaded?
[09:04] <deathnote> i want fglrx
[09:06] <genii> miltos At konsole when you do: sudo mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb             does it give complaints?
[09:07] <miltos> genii, yes "unknown filesystem type 'usbdevfs'"
[09:07] <genii> Slynderdale: If you pastebin the /etc/proftpd.conf file I will look at it also
[09:07] <genii> miltos OK, 1 minute to think
[09:09] <lahcen> hello
[09:10] <lahcen> guys, i installed kubuntu fiesty today and i have a dlink usb wireless adapter,so i installed ndiswrapper and it installed all fine but there is nothing
[09:10] <deathnote> !modprobe
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <lahcen> i mean when ii type "ifconfig wlan0" it shows it
[09:12] <lahcen> so i typed "ifup wlan0" and it comes back with "wlan0 is already configured"
[09:12] <lahcen> is it still modprobe?
[09:12] <genii> miltos Please pastebin result of command:  lsusb
[09:13] <c0nv1ct> evenin' folks
[09:14] <lahcen> can somebody help me?
[09:14] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: i'll try
[09:14] <miltos> !pastebin
[09:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:15] <SolidSource> well...night all...I'm not using keyboard for pillow tonight
[09:15] <miltos> genii, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9989/
[09:15] <genii> miltos OK, reading
[09:16] <genii> miltos This is with usb drive plugged in?
[09:17] <miltos> genii, yes
[09:18] <lahcen> here you go guys, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9990/
[09:18] <miltos> genii,sorry i have to leave...
[09:18] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: have you tried configuring it using the GUI?
[09:19] <lahcen> ndisgtk?
[09:19] <genii> miltos OK. With editor in root mode, change the line we added into: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto 0 0               save it, the do again   sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[09:19] <genii> miltos Ah, OK :( Well, best luck later then
[09:19] <miltos> thnaks, anyway
[09:19] <miltos> genii, thanks anyway
[09:19] <genii> miltos np
[09:20] <lahcen> I tried using ndisgtk but it crashed the first time but now it doesn't even start
[09:20] <genii> Slynderdale: Getting anywhere with ftp ?
[09:21] <smurphy> \nick Smurphy
[09:21] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: you tried kcontrol or the kde system settings?
[09:21] <smurphy> Sorry for thespam... Seems the old ircd commands are not really working her :)
[09:21] <fdoving> smurphy: use /command instead of \command
[09:22] <lahcen> it doesn't show up there
[09:22] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: wlan0 doesnt? it only shows eth0?
[09:22] <lahcen> there is only  eth0, yes
[09:23] <lahcen> no wlan0 in network settings
[09:23] <c0nv1ct> interesting, the only machine i have with wireless, has its card show up in network settings
[09:23] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: let me get my laptop real fast, brb
[09:24] <lahcen> it worked fine with kubuntu 6.10
[09:24] <lahcen> sure
[09:25] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: you using feisty?
[09:25] <lahcen> 7.04
[09:25] <lahcen> i guess it is feisty
[09:25] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: ya, same as my laptop then
[09:25] <lahcen> cool
[09:26] <c0nv1ct> 1 sec, i gotta fix something on my wireless router first
[09:27] <lahcen> when i  used ndiswrapperutil V1.9 it said that the bustype is wrong, so i went back to V1.5
[09:28] <lahcen> i am back to v1.1, not v1.5, sorry
[09:30] <smurphy> fdoving - thx.
[09:31] <Smurphy> hehe ... Worked. Damn - been 10Years I didn't use ICR :)
[09:32] <c0nv1ct> lahcen: why are you using ndiswrapper?
[09:32] <lahcen> yes
[09:33] <lahcen> is there a driver for dlink dwl-122 in linux?
[09:33] <c0nv1ct> D-Link DWL-G122?
[09:34] <fdoving> lahcen: yes, it's prism2_usb
[09:34] <lahcen> no, just D-link DWL-122
[09:34] <fdoving> it uses linux-wlan-ng.
[09:35] <fdoving> lahcen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/DWL-122
[09:35] <c0nv1ct> yeah, Prism is what u want
[09:35] <lahcen> ohhh i remember, but there was always a problem when i installed it
[09:36] <lahcen> so i onnly install linux-wlan-ng from adept manager, right?
[09:37] <lahcen> i know it is stupid but should i uninstall ndiswrapper first ? or can i just leave it as it is?
[09:37] <Smurphy> Strange - WLan even works under Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS over here - on a Mac-Mini :)
[09:38] <c0nv1ct> yeah, it says its for Prism2 cards
[09:38] <c0nv1ct> i have a different wireless card so i dont have all that installed
[09:38] <Smurphy> Guess ndiswrapper is required to have it running. But prism2 CHipsets did run without ndiswrapper ... Got such a card - but used it long time ago.
[09:38] <c0nv1ct> yeah, i'm not using ndiswrapper either
[09:38] <genii> Yeah Orinoco used to be great prism2 chipsets for linux
[09:38] <lahcen> great
[09:39] <lahcen> i'll install it now
[09:39] <lahcen> i'll post back with the result
[09:40] <Smurphy> genii - yep>That's the one I used ...
[09:41] <MobsterLobster> hello kubunters
[09:43] <c0nv1ct> stupid friggn dlink wireless router
[09:43] <c0nv1ct> already had to RMA it once, and its acting up again
[09:43] <lahcen> nop, not working
[09:43] <freeware_xp> hi can i get some vista help please?
[09:43] <c0nv1ct> freeware_xp: lol, thats hiliarous
[09:44] <lahcen> I installed the driver and rebooted the machine but nothing
[09:44] <genii> Yes sort of an oxymoron
[09:45] <Smurphy> any Mac-Mini users here ???
[09:45] <Hirvinen> !ask | Smurphy
[09:45] <ubotu> Smurphy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:45] <freeware_xp> i have vista installed on my other pc, somehow vista lost my profile, so i lost everything, then it automaticaally made me a new profile, then it lost that one, grrrrrr, i'm here because microsoft really doesn't have any help services, well like $75/hr usd they do. bastards@microSofty
[09:46] <c0nv1ct> freeware_xp: i'd be glad to help you install Kubuntu over Vista
[09:47] <Smurphy> ubotu: Well - cause mac-mini uses EFI - this I got around. But can't take advantage of suspend to RAM or even Standby mode ... Anyone got that running nice ?
[09:47] <freeware_xp> thanks convict i thought of that, but need to use dreamweaver and photoshop cs2, not really great wine items
[09:47] <unix_lappy> freeware_xp: actually dreamweaver works well, and photoshop cs works well too.
[09:48] <unix_lappy> with wine that is.
[09:48] <freeware_xp> on ubuntu with wine unix-lappy?
[09:48] <freeware_xp> hmmmmmmmmmmm you might have a sale comming to a close
[09:49] <unix_lappy> freeware_xp: give it a try. works fine here, along with office 2k3
[09:49] <freeware_xp> <------------- freeware-xp means basically their are so many piratedf versions of xp that its freeware now, that you can get xp almost anywhere on the net
[09:49] <unix_lappy> freeware_xp: that's not an argument
[09:49] <freeware_xp> not office 2003 tooooooooo , yahoooooooooooooooooo
[09:50] <c0nv1ct> you use the timerstop on vista?
[09:51] <freeware_xp> no its the 100% legit version bought and cried/paid for
[09:51] <c0nv1ct> ouch
[09:51] <fdoving> !offtopic
[09:51] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:51] <freeware_xp> i've got tears and my beers, unhappy vista owner
[09:51] <lahcen> guys, this is what ii got after installing the the driver you told me about,http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9994/
[09:51] <c0nv1ct> i should get a free copy, since i bought Win XP x64 and got ripped off
[09:52] <c0nv1ct> i didnt research first, to find out its just a dumbed down server 2003 made into a client
[09:52] <fdoving> lahcen: you have wlan0 :)
[09:52] <lahcen> it seems like i do, but i can't connect to the router
[09:53] <freeware_xp> you didn't buy win xp 64bit, man that hurts, i downloaded a pirated one for my 64 bit pc and used it for ummmmm 30 mins and then FORMAT, and reinstalled SiCO xp SP3 ,
[09:54] <Smurphy> freeware_xp - I don'tthink it's a good think talking about pirated stuff around here ... Better talk about a copied Ubuntu :)
[09:54] <fdoving> Smurphy: correct.
[09:55] <Cobra_Bubbles> Every single dualboot setup HOWTO I can find explains how to add Ubuntu to a Windows system... Says NOTHING about adding Windows to an Ubuntu system
[09:55] <lahcen> fdoving: the machine doesn't recognize wlan0 as wirelss extension, any ideas why?
[09:56] <Smurphy> Cobra_Bubbles - Just do it. Then after XP overwrote your MBR - boot from the Kubuntu CD and reinstall grub/lilo.
[09:56] <Smurphy> lahcen: You loaded the driver ?
[09:56] <fdoving> Cobra_Bubbles: it's the same. make room for a windows partition, create a fat32 partition in the free space. install windows to it, restore grub as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:56] <lahcen> yes
[09:56] <Smurphy> fdoving: Nice :0
[09:56] <lahcen> and rebooted
[09:56] <Smurphy> You need to load the driver after the reboot - not before ;)
[09:57] <Smurphy> lahcen: what driver is it ?
[09:57] <lahcen> linux-wlan-ng
[09:57] <Smurphy> ok - try the following: rmmod linux-wlan-ng
[09:57] <Smurphy> then reload it with: modprobe linux-wlan-ng
[09:57] <fdoving> there is no linux-wlan-ng module.
[09:57] <fdoving> the module is 'prism2_usb' if it's the DWL-122
[09:58] <Smurphy> and run: dmesg - at the end - it should tell you loads about if the driver was successfully loaded.
[09:58] <fdoving> lahcen: did you follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/prism2_usb ?
[09:59] <freeware_xp> ya i've always used a "CoPiEd UbUnTu" man i must have 50 versions thanks to rapidshare and meguploads,;)
[10:00] <Smurphy> lahcen: Check if you see something with: iwconfig after loading the driver.
[10:01] <freeware_xp> i think i'll go to the windows help and ask for help with ubuntu, lol i love getting them going.=-O, cya's around the flip-side
[10:02] <Smurphy> Hmm. Anybody knows where the KDE 3.5.6 repos are located ? Still run 3.5.5 - but want to check if my issues with Beryl go away with 3.5.6 :)
[10:03] <Jucato> Smurphy: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[10:03] <lahcen> here is what ii  got!!! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9995/
[10:04] <Smurphy> Jucato: Edgy ... 6.10
[10:05] <Jucato> Smurphy: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[10:05] <Smurphy> Lahcen: Hmmm. He finds the Wlan - attaches it - but it seems the devices are not created ...
[10:05] <Smurphy> Dunno why ..
[10:05] <Smurphy> jucato: Thx Dude :)
[10:06] <genii> Likely needs a udev.rule
[10:06] <Smurphy> genii: Yep. Looks like...
[10:08] <lahcen> how do i go about doing that?
[10:09] <lahcen> i reading in a wiki that network manager doesn't work properly with prism2_usb and it needs a patch, I'll see if that'll work
[10:10] <Smurphy> Try it out - yes.
[10:11] <hds619> ciao
[10:12] <hds619> uh? ma c' nessunooo???
[10:13] <Smurphy> hds - sono trabalando :)
[10:13] <Smurphy> :)
[10:13] <hds619> ciao
[10:13] <hds619> finalmente qualcuno ke risponde
[10:13] <deathnote> hey,, shd i use fglrx for my ati mobility raqdeon m6?
[10:13] <deathnote> or radeon
[10:14] <Smurphy> Si - ma il mio itialioano non e multo bene. Ma lo capisci bene.
[10:14] <hds619> aaaaaaah ma  multilingue sta chat
[10:14] <hds619> si si capisco
[10:14] <Smurphy> deathnote - depends - if it s a Notebook - no... As resume etc. does not really work with ATI's Official drivers IMHO
[10:14] <Smurphy> E inglese - le penso io :)
[10:15] <Smurphy> pfff - Online KDE 3.5.6 Update while Running KDE-3.5.5 :) *lol* Let's see when one app crashes :)
[10:15] <hds619> mi servirebbe aiuto nella configurazione di una cartella in rete tra il mi kubuntu e un'altro mio pc collegato via router alla mia stessa linea con installato windows..
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> Smurphy: worked fine for me when i did it
[10:16] <deathnote> Smurphy: its a notebook.. i tried fglrx but doesn't work
[10:16] <Smurphy> C0nv - Thx for the info :)
[10:16] <Smurphy> deathnote - yeah - ATI does not support older chipsets ...
[10:16] <deathnote> how to find my chipset? i typed lspci but couldn't see the chipset
[10:16] <Smurphy> Il tuo router funziona su windows ?
[10:16] <hds619> si si
[10:16] <hds619> funziona sia con windows sia con linux
[10:16] <hds619> (kubuntu)
[10:17] <Smurphy> Argggg lll... Format /dev/hda && install ubuntu LTS
[10:17] <Smurphy> questo que deve fare :)
[10:17] <Smurphy> hjds: Ah. Ma que cartella non funziona ?
[10:17] <hds619> asp
[10:17] <hds619> ma io
[10:17] <deathnote> Smurphy: if we want beryl, we can't use fglrx right? i've got another newer laptop on ATI also..but using fglrx..was thinking of installing beryl
[10:17] <hds619> devo fare Format /dev ecc...?
[10:17] <Smurphy> Damn - Love 6MB Downstream. Took about 3 Minutes to download KDE 3.5.6 update :)
[10:18] <genii> lahcen What is the device name it is supposed to create for the adapter?
[10:18] <deathnote> !radeon
[10:18] <Smurphy> hds: no no ... Era un JOke !!!
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about radeon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <lahcen> wlan0
[10:18] <hds619> ah ok
[10:18] <Smurphy> !fglrx
[10:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:18] <hds619> allora in che senso qui la cartella nn funziona?
[10:18] <Smurphy> ;)
[10:18] <hds619> cio
[10:18] <mray> is there a way to assign 2 desktops to my two monitors in kde? (one desktop per monitor)
[10:18] <hds619> io sono andat in impstazioni
[10:18] <lahcen> genii, it is not working
[10:18] <hds619> poi in condivisione
[10:18] <hds619> e ho aggiunto in modalit
[10:18] <hds619> amministratore una mia cartella
[10:19] <Smurphy> pfff... My technical Italian is sooo bad :)
[10:19] <lahcen> i installed the patches but no luck
[10:19] <deathnote> as long as glxinfo | grep direct gets yes , my wine will work right?
[10:19] <hds619> sorry smurphy
[10:19] <hds619> sai dove posso trovare una chat IRC in italiano cm questa?
[10:19] <Smurphy> Mi scusi - ma il mio italiano non e technico. No capisci molto de que dize ...
[10:19] <genii> lahcen Yes, but if it had been successful, what would the device name have been? eg: /dev/n0m or something similar
[10:19] <Smurphy> Anyone knos an Italian Ubuntu Chat room ???
[10:20] <Jucato> !it | Smurphy
[10:20] <ubotu> Smurphy: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:20] <seven11> somebody know how i can transcode flac 2 mp3 in amarok? if i choose mp3 in profile settings i get: encoding type is not supported???
[10:20] <lahcen> i am not sure genii, how do I find out?
[10:20] <Smurphy> hds619: probe kubuntu-it or ubuntu-it :)
[10:20] <mray> You are inside an italian chatroom - at least it sounds like you are :P
[10:20] <genii> lahcen Hmm I dunno. Anyhow I am tracking down some stuff so have hope
[10:20] <lahcen> thanx
[10:21] <seven11> somebody know how i can transcode flac 2 mp3 in amarok? if i choose mp3 in profile settings i get: encoding type is not supported???
[10:21] <Smurphy> *lol* I tried to help  - but my italian is better for getting wine and Girls :D
[10:21] <mray> seven11: are you sure amarok can transcode?
[10:22] <seven11> in ogg no problem mp3 not suppirted mray
[10:22] <mray> seven11: i'd use a transcoding tool for that task  and maybe rip the flac to wav first.
[10:22] <genii> lahcen Does prism2_usb show as loaded when you do sudo lsmod|grep prism2   ?
[10:22] <Smurphy> brb - restarting KDe session ...
[10:22] <mray> seven11: then maybe you need to install an mp3 encoding package.
[10:23] <seven11> what would be the package name?
[10:23] <mray> don't know search for "mp3" and "encode" in adept :P
[10:23] <Jucato> !lame
[10:23] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[10:23] <lahcen> here is the output genii : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9997/
[10:24] <mray> yes, lame sounds good!
[10:24] <mray> install lame, that should do the trick.
[10:24] <seven11> sudo apt-get install lame ???
[10:24] <genii> lahcen Also is this some Sitecom usb modem? I found good a site for Sitecom USB WL012 install with links on it to udev rules and other useful things
[10:24] <genii> lahcen: OK, reading paste :) brb
[10:25] <mray> seven11: if you use adept you get a nice description in a GUI before you install.
[10:25] <seven11> ok thanks mray
[10:25] <mray> seven11: i didn'
[10:25] <smurphy> Re ... Still works :)
[10:25] <mray> seven11: i didn't know that amarok was able to transcode! :d
[10:26] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[10:26] <ubotu> pong
[10:27] <seven11> mray: script manager has a transcode script... that's handy... :)
[10:27] <mray> seven11: it seems to work with scripts - where did you get your script from?
[10:27] <genii> !yum
[10:27] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[10:27] <genii> heh
[10:27] <seven11> and it works with lame :)
[10:27] <genii> !botsnack
[10:27] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:28] <lahcen> genii, what is the website of udev rule?
[10:30] <genii> lahcen The page with Sitecom install help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1731652  the page with udev rules and wlan-udev.sh for that device:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/29706
[10:31] <lahcen> thanx alot
[10:31] <lahcen> i have to go now
[10:31] <lahcen> thanx again and good night
[10:32] <genii> lahcen Best luck
[10:36] <xtavaresx> !lame
[10:36] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[10:36] <xtavaresx> dam recursive acronyms!
[10:39] <Skuller> since las few days my ktorrent is buggin up n crashin out of the bluez when its running in the background....any suggestions?
[10:43] <Skuller> !torrent
[10:43] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[10:43] <Skuller> !ktorrent
[10:43] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[10:43] <Skuller> !java
[10:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:44] <weedar_> My printer, a canon I850, lets me print documents from firefox and OpenOffice, but Acroread won't print a thing
[10:44] <HymnToLife> Skuller, if searchig factoid for yourself, please ask the bot in private so you don't flood the channel :)
[10:44] <weedar_> Does anyone have a suggestion what I should do?
[10:44] <Skuller> HymnToLife: i'll keep that in  mind
[10:45] <mray> is there a way to assign 2 desktops to my two monitors in kde? (one desktop per monitor)
[10:45] <HymnToLife> !xinerama | mray
[10:45] <ubotu> mray: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:51] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use kmediafactory but I get conversion error.  Do I need to install extra pacakges to make it work?
[11:00] <genii> mray Yes. You can have as many monitors and video cards that your system supports. The changes need to be made in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   You need to know the details of your video cards etc
[11:01] <mray> i'm reading through the howto in ubunut - but i fear i may crash my system. i have kubuntu, not ubuntu, and my monitors have different resolutions.
[11:02] <genii> mray For an ATI multi-head video card example, there is one here: http://www.granneman.com/techinfo/linux/installation/dualheadhowto.htm If you have different cards or some other you could use it as a guide for syntax
[11:02] <mray> currently my smaller monitor needs to scroll to see evverything - that's why i want to change something about my system
[11:03] <genii> mray The screens can be set to different resolutions
[11:03] <mray> that would be great!
[11:03] <genii> mray do you know your videocard details?
[11:04] <mray> it is an nvidia card
[11:04] <Cobra_Bubbles> oh great
[11:04] <mray> i use teh official nvidia binaries.
[11:04] <genii> eg: Do you have 1 card with multiple monitor plugs (multihead) or separate cards with their own drivers etc
[11:05] <Cobra_Bubbles> Macromedia Flash comes in an .rpm file
[11:05] <mray> 1 card with 2 slots.
[11:05] <HymnToLife> RPMs are the evil
[11:05] <genii> HymnToLife: Yes. Yes they are.
[11:06] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me with kmediafactory.  I added a xvid file to a new project.  However it seems to be just creating menus and not converting the video.  Do I need to use a seperate program for that?
[11:06] <genii> mray Let me see if I can find a multihead tutorial then for nvidia
[11:06] <Cobra_Bubbles> !Macromedia
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about macromedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <mray> wat about that one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[11:06] <mray> HymnToLife pointed that out to me.
[11:06] <chrismhampson> I have a very strange printing problem. When I print from KDE the file prints fine but the job is never deleted so when I try to print another file it just sits in the queue.
[11:07] <Cobra_Bubbles> aha
[11:07] <Skuller> !flash | Cobra_Bubbles
[11:07] <ubotu> Cobra_Bubbles: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:07] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[11:08] <genii> mray That site seems fairly comprehensive. You should do OK if you use the examples given but intelligently adapt them to suit your specific card and so on.
[11:08] <Riddell> thumper: please do
[11:09] <chrismhampson> anybody any ideas about how to solve my printing problem?
[11:12] <genii> mray Some other resource pages (one for breezy but with comprehensive xorg samples) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27871
[11:12] <genii> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=517207&referrerid=195877
[11:12] <genii> http://www.ublug.org/ubuntu/twinview/twinview-howto-breezy.html
[11:13] <mray> genii: thanks! i'll try to read my way through it.
[11:13] <genii> mray LOL I know, it can be tedious. But well worth the effort
[11:13] <mray> indeed - this scrolling gets on my nerves all the time!
[11:15] <jack_> hi, adept tells me that there is a new upgrade, but on the release schedule f.f. is to come out middle of april?
[11:16] <c0nv1ct> upgrade doesnt necessarily mean distribution upgrade
[11:16] <genii> chrismhampson: Which system are you using? CUPS?
[11:16] <ushaba> anyone able to recommend a good how-to for fixing sound in kubuntu?
[11:16] <chrismhampson> genii: yep
[11:16] <c0nv1ct> !sound
[11:16] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:16] <ushaba> cool, ubotu
[11:16] <deathnote> hi in beryl, how do set beryl such that it does not show all the task from all desktops on my panel?
[11:17] <chrismhampson> genii: I bought a print server so I could print without the desktop having to be on but I think it is a Kubuntu issue rather than hardware
[11:17] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: you need to install compiz-taskbar
[11:17] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: it didnt work for me without upgrading to kde 3.5.6 though
[11:17] <deathnote> i'm in beryl now and i'm glad..haha
[11:18] <ushaba> i'll warn everyone that this is likely not a simple sound problem...
[11:18] <ushaba> haha
[11:18] <ushaba> back later
[11:18] <deathnote> compiz-taskbar ..ok..why when my mouse goes to top right hand corner, the selection screen pops out
[11:18] <genii> chrismhampson: The command lprm without arguments will erase the current job in the queue.
[11:18] <deathnote> c0nv1ct: how to install compiz-taskbar ?
[11:18] <jack_> c0nv1ct: ah reading again, just announcing a development version thaanks
[11:19] <chrismhampson> genii: shouldn't this be happening automatically though?
[11:19] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: are you talking about the taskbar or the tool that shows all running apps in upper right corner?
[11:19] <genii> chrismhampson: Yes, ideally
[11:20] <deathnote> ok i'm talking about the tool that shows all running apps (mine is on bottom) .. the tool that u can check "K" on
[11:20] <oem> why does add remove programs in adept keep closing on me
[11:20] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: thats the taskbar
[11:20] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: if you install compiz-taskbar it will help, but its still buggy in kde
[11:21] <deathnote> yeah..its showing all 4 desktop's apps..
[11:21] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: the thing in the upper right hand corner is a feature of beryl
[11:21] <deathnote> apt-get compiz-taskbar ?
[11:22] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: no, its in there i dont believe, use google
[11:22] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: i beleive it was posted on the beryl forums
[11:22] <deathnote> ok
[11:23] <c0nv1ct> deathnote: you can disable that thing that pops up when putting your mouse in the upper right corner
[11:28] <ReTyPe> how do i install latest dolphin ?
[11:28] <genii> chrismhampson: Is your printer setup as some generic postscript tcp/ip printer?
[11:30] <c0nv1ct> ReTyPe: is it not in the repos?
[11:30] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: not the latest
[11:30] <Jucato> and in this case, the latest is the greatest :)
[11:30] <chrismhampson> genii: I have set it up as an IPP printer using samsung driver (ML-1510)
[11:30] <Jucato> (although the really latest is only in KDE 4...)
[11:31] <c0nv1ct> i've been meaning to try dolphin
[11:31] <fdoving> dolphin is nice.
[11:31] <c0nv1ct> krusader is ok... but i wanna try it out
[11:32] <ushaba> ubotu, tell me you love me about teh sound how-to again
[11:32] <c0nv1ct> 0.8.0 isnt the latest and greatest dolphin?
[11:33] <c0nv1ct> looks to be 3 months old :\
[11:33] <ushaba> back about that sound how-to
[11:33] <ushaba> i can't remember the kmenu portion of it
[11:33] <ushaba> before i go fidgeting around with modules and whatnot, might as well try the most basic part
[11:33] <c0nv1ct> !sound
[11:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:34] <genii> chrismhampson: I'm seeing exact same symptoms on these pages with IPP drivers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52446 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/cupsys/+bug/50598
[11:34] <ushaba> it is definitely enabled
[11:34] <ushaba> time for the rough how-tos...
[11:34] <oxala> hey guys, how do you play WMV in kubuntu?
[11:34] <fdoving> ReTyPe: you can find dolphin .debs for edgy-i386 (unofficial not verified by me or anyone i know) at http://digilander.libero.it/dr_kabuto/
[11:34] <oxala> is there an easy tool or codec?
[11:35] <c0nv1ct> oxala: w32codecs
[11:35] <c0nv1ct> !w32
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <c0nv1ct> !w32codecs
[11:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[11:35] <oxala> thanx:)
[11:35] <ushaba> !sound
[11:35] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:36] <ForgeAus> back sorry dissed again
[11:36] <ForgeAus> as I was saying I'm a big fan of Krusader
[11:36] <ForgeAus> its basically Midnight commander for KDE
[11:36] <c0nv1ct> who was it that wanted to install dolphin?
[11:36] <ushaba> why is dolphin being created when things like krusader already exist?
[11:36] <ForgeAus> probably Jucato and probably for good reason
[11:37] <c0nv1ct> ForgeAus: it reminds me of my old favorate dosshell!
[11:37] <ForgeAus> Norton Commander?
[11:37] <chrismhampson> genii: thanks...i'm just having a read now
[11:37] <Jucato> ushaba: because not everybody can handle twin panel file management
[11:37] <ushaba> haha
[11:37] <ForgeAus> actually I guess even MS Dosshell was kinda similar
[11:37] <ushaba> i am a big konqueror fan
[11:37] <ushaba> i'm glad dolphin is not replacing konqueror
[11:37] <c0nv1ct> what i like in krusader is the console at the bottom
[11:37] <ForgeAus> I like Konqueror no complaints there, but I like Krusader for file management better
[11:37] <Jucato> but I find the whole war between Dolphin and Konqueror ridiculous
[11:37] <Skuller> jucato just found another one...hehe :)
[11:38] <Jucato> ushaba: it is :)
[11:38] <ForgeAus> war?
[11:38] <ForgeAus> Krusader does inhouse archiving too... whereas konqu uses extensions to Ark
[11:38] <Jucato> well...
[11:38] <Jucato> ForgeAus: er no
[11:38] <Skuller> lol
[11:38] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Konqueror uses tar:/ (kio slave)
[11:38] <ForgeAus> oh yeah that too
[11:38] <ushaba> it's not replacing konqueror, just getting preference over it
[11:38] <ushaba> they're sharing a codebase
[11:39] <ForgeAus> Krusader can use kioslaves too
[11:39] <Jucato> ushaba: Dolphin will be the default file manager for KDE 4, but Konqueror will still be installed by default and available
[11:39] <ushaba> i'm sure you can fix that easily
[11:39] <ushaba> haha
[11:39] <ForgeAus> and really quick cd ftp://<server>
[11:40] <c0nv1ct> ForgeAus: i use it for sftp often
[11:40] <ForgeAus> Jucato I find that strange but interesting... means Dolphin must be at least good!
[11:40] <ushaba> it looks ok
[11:40] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kioslaves are and will be always available for any kde app, konqueror, krusader, or dolphin
[11:40] <ushaba> kde 4 is expected to be released by 2008, right?
[11:40] <Jucato> no target dates
[11:40] <Jucato> or months.... or year...
[11:41] <ForgeAus> how much of kde4 is there?
[11:41] <ForgeAus> and like I asked before how'd you go with the kubuntu distribution upgrade tool?
[11:41] <Jucato> not sure... you'll have to look at the source codes
[11:41] <ushaba> alright, sound problems have to wait till after   dinner
[11:41] <ushaba> adios all
[11:45] <ForgeAus> is it Monday for you yet?
[11:45] <c0nv1ct> been monday for a while :P
[11:46] <ForgeAus> well its almost Tuesday here
[11:46] <ForgeAus> in less than 4 hours
[11:46] <c0nv1ct> aussie?
[11:46] <ForgeAus> yup
[11:46] <c0nv1ct> i wish my xmas was in the summer :P
[11:47] <ForgeAus> hehe I wish we had a summer or a winter, we just happen to have hot and cold and wild-weather days...
[11:48] <ForgeAus> I used to say summer oh you mean that time in March?....(because the seasons seemed to come late for a few years there...) but now its all one big uni-season or something...
[11:48] <uros> hi all. I would like to run xcompmgr automatically on startup - how do i set this?
[11:49] <Skuller> its tuesday here in less than 1:15hr
[11:49] <Skuller> hehe
[11:49] <ForgeAus> whats xcompmgr?
[11:49] <c0nv1ct> uros: what is it, and when during startup do you need it ran
[11:49] <Jucato> uros: btw... KWin has its own compmgr available so you don't need xcompmgr
[11:50] <ForgeAus> I don't think kubuntu has it at least it isn't in a default path
[11:50] <ForgeAus> is ksysguard an xcompmgr?
[11:50] <ForgeAus> (just guessing)
[11:50] <uros> i need xcompmgr for doing the fake transparency with kxdocker
[11:50] <c0nv1ct> kompmgr?
[11:51] <aidan> need help with kopete
[11:51] <ForgeAus> ahhhh
[11:51] <JohnFlux> ForgeAus: ksysguard is like task manager
[11:51] <ForgeAus> yeah I know that but whast a compmgr?
[11:51] <uros> no idea
[11:51] <c0nv1ct> composite manager, i believe
[11:51] <aidan> can someone help me with kopete
[11:51] <ForgeAus> oh ok cna't use that with ATI
[11:52] <Jucato> X Composite Manager
[11:52] <ForgeAus> it tells me to turn composite off
[11:52] <c0nv1ct> aidan: whats the problem?
[11:52] <oem> con do you not sleep? LMAO i saw you on here like 9 or 10 hours ago
[11:52] <aidan> umm wont let msn sign on and passwords correct and yahoo is able to ssign on
[11:52] <c0nv1ct> oem: i just woke up, lol
[11:52] <uros> now  - fake transparency doens't work unless i run xcompmgr - how do i set this to run automatically when i log on?
[11:52] <ForgeAus> my msn works in kopete...
[11:52] <oem> ahh  i just got home from work
[11:53] <c0nv1ct> oem: i'm waiting for the stores to open, i'm dying for a damn cigarette
[11:53] <aidan> mine does not fr some reason
[11:53] <ForgeAus> adian have you got a hotmail account on the same username/pass?
[11:53] <ForgeAus> if so try it...
[11:53] <oem> lol yeah i had to stop at the gas station and get some
[11:53] <aidan> nope
[11:53] <aidan> i use my gmail as my msn
[11:53] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[11:53] <c0nv1ct> oem: ass, nothing is open between 10pm and 5am here, NOTHIGN
[11:53] <ForgeAus> I don't know how that works
[11:53] <ForgeAus> its possible thats the problem perhaps?...
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> i gotta drive atleast 50 miles to find an open store this late
[11:54] <aidan> what works ?
[11:54] <oem> serious? man where you at the outback lol
[11:54] <ForgeAus> msn via gmail
[11:54] <oem> 50 miles?
[11:54] <oem> dang
[11:54] <aidan> no cus it worked fine at my house and im at my dads its not working
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> out in the woods of washington state
[11:54] <oem> speedway is like around the corner
[11:54] <oem> lol
[11:54] <oem> i live in Indianapolis
[11:54] <ForgeAus> aiden recheck your login/pass thats the only thing I can think of thats relevant
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> i went from Phoenix AZ, to Bumfuct, WA
[11:55] <aidan> done that 5 times
[11:55] <ForgeAus> maybe you made a typo or caps ?
[11:55] <ForgeAus> (not just pass login too)
[11:55] <oem> wow i went from Arkansas to Indi like it here better
[11:55] <aidan> how would i update kopete ?
[11:55] <ForgeAus> adept
[11:56] <ForgeAus> run manage packages  in the kmenu (thats Adept)
[11:56] <oem> i could email you a cig but then it wouldnt look right once it got there hahaha
[11:56] <oem> sorry couldnt help it lol
[11:57] <chrismhampson> genii: fixed the problem. I used LPD remote queue instead of remote cups printer and now the jobs are automatically deleted. Thanks for all your help
[11:57] <genii> chrismhampson: Glad it got worked out :)
[12:01] <aidan> how would i get gaim ??
[12:02] <oem> install it through adept package manager hit search->then type in Gaim
[12:02] <ForgeAus> unless MSN have done something to the network to change it recently?
[12:02] <oem> i am finding that most all aps are better done through adept package manager.....
[12:02] <ForgeAus> brb trying to connect myself..
[12:03] <oem> the add remove progams suit is buggy ...it closes on its own while you are search for a proggy
[12:03] <waylandbill> oem: don't forget to enable universe repo and 'fetch updates' before searching for gaim if you have not already
[12:03] <oem> etc etc
[12:03] <oem> yeah i did
[12:03] <ForgeAus> yup logged in ok
[12:03] <ForgeAus> (seemed to take a while
[12:03] <oem> my Gaim works really good better than any other chat platform i have ever used
[12:05] <oem> my add remove apps has stalled while installing java 2  how do i close it and then reopen it ?
[12:06] <aidan> how do i make it show gaim it dosent show it in adept
[12:07] <oem> does any one have the link to the repositories page she needs the repository listed on it
[12:07] <oem> she/he what ever sorry
[12:08] <oem> so i guess inorder to stop a stalled program i need to reboot ...eh?
[12:08] <c0nv1ct> oem: no
[12:09] <c0nv1ct> oem: can you get access to a console? konsole, or hitting ALT-F1
[12:09] <aidan> i am a guy
[12:09] <oem> ok how do i stopped a stalled progrma?
[12:09] <chrismhampson> genii: so to conclude...there probably is a bug in cupsys which you can bypass by using remote LPD (if your print server supports it)
[12:09] <oem> alt-f1 bring the k menue up
[12:09] <c0nv1ct> oem: try ctrl-alt-f2
[12:10] <c0nv1ct> ctrl-alt-f7 brings ya back
[12:10] <genii> chrismhampson: Yes, I found other solutions involving using a raw queue as well. Seems some queue-specific issue with cups
[12:10] <c0nv1ct> i think he did ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:12] <oem> bad idea it rebooted me lol
[12:12] <c0nv1ct> oem: oh yeah, it can restart the X server on some machines if you dont log in right away
[12:12] <c0nv1ct> oem, using the konsole, my first suggestion, would of been the best idea
[12:12] <oem> np
[12:13] <c0nv1ct> oem: in the future, when something is frozen, in a console type 'ps -e' to see the PID of every program running, then you can type 'kill -9' and the PID number to stop the program
[12:14] <oem> ok
[12:14] <oem> ty
[12:15] <c0nv1ct> omg, 30 mins and i can go buy cigz
[12:15] <oem> LMAO
[12:15] <Forge> back... again
[12:17] <aidan> need help kopete wont let m sign into msn
[12:17] <c0nv1ct> aidan: can you sign into other networks ok?
[12:18] <aidan> yes into yahoo i can
[12:18] <ForgeAus> brb
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> aidan: what is it saying when you attempt to log into msn?
[12:18] <ForgeAus> there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with MSN
[12:18] <aidan> nothing man just doesnt sign in
[12:19] <ForgeAus> all I can think of is something to do with your gmail passthrough?
[12:19] <c0nv1ct> aidan: verify that your username and password is entered correctly
[12:19] <ForgeAus> I can log in with my hotmail anyway
[12:19] <ForgeAus> c0nv1ct apparently done that 5 times (probably more since then)
[12:19] <c0nv1ct> you use a gmail passtrhough to log into msn messenger??
[12:20] <ForgeAus> isn't gmail jabber or something?
[12:20] <Ash-Fox> no, you're thinking of google talk
[12:20] <Jucato> google talk uses jabber
[12:20] <c0nv1ct> i thought msn messenger required a hotmail or msn.com account to log in
[12:20] <ForgeAus> yeah but jabber can include a gateway to msn
[12:20] <Ash-Fox> google actually provides free google talk, mail etc. for people's domains now www.google.com/a/ <- it's pretty neat =)
[12:20] <oem> it does
[12:21] <ForgeAus> c0nv1ct it doesn't exactly
[12:21] <ForgeAus> it normally does tho
[12:22] <bumzo> !pastebin
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:22] <c0nv1ct> ForgeAus: weird
[12:23] <ForgeAus> well I have contacts with yahoo and gmail email addresses
[12:23] <ForgeAus> so its not ONLY hotmail addresses
[12:23] <ForgeAus> its just usually the way to go
[12:23] <c0nv1ct> yahoo is the only one i dont have an account for
[12:23] <ForgeAus> hehe
[12:23] <ForgeAus> well MSN and yahoo have pretty much amalgamated now
[12:24] <ForgeAus> so you can basically use MSN for yahoo if you want/need anyhow
[12:24] <ForgeAus> (I don't know how well it works as of yet, its only a relatively new thing)
[12:24] <ForgeAus> it was much easier back when ICQ and AOL joined up
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> i have 2 msn messenger accounts, and they use hotmail.com and msn.com accounts
[12:25] <ForgeAus> I only use one MSN account, my hotmail one
[12:25] <ForgeAus> it does for my live ID, MSN Passort and all that jazz
[12:26] <c0nv1ct> "You can use any existing e-mail address from any e-mail provider when you create your credentials for Windows Live ID."
[12:26] <c0nv1ct> i guess i know nothing about msn
[12:27] <oem> yeah and unfortunatly in order to use all of the LIVE as they call it you have to pay for it
[12:27] <bumzo> hey .. i posted something on kubuntu pastebin .. where do i check for my reply?
[12:27] <c0nv1ct> what does Live offer thats any good? like the Live Office stuff?
[12:27] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: you have to paste the link to the pastebin in here
[12:28] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: thats what a pastebin is for
[12:28] <ForgeAus> office live is basically a website version of virtual PC to an office 2007 box
[12:28] <oem> how ever you still have to pay for it
[12:28] <ForgeAus> (or the other office live which is a set of other Microsoft web-based services... mostly for domains and stuff I think)
[12:28] <ForgeAus> no you don't at least not the office 2007 one...
[12:29] <oem> if you want it on your desktop  offline you do
[12:29] <ForgeAus> its one place you can get familiar with the 2k7 interface...
[12:29] <aidan> i dont no how to configure k msn
[12:29] <aidan> or install it
[12:29] <oem> been there done that wont do it anymore
[12:29] <bumzo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10001/
[12:29] <bumzo> there ... like that?
[12:29] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: ya
[12:30] <ForgeAus> the online webtools you need to pay for... but I don't think you can install office 2k7 from the online/VPC version
[12:30] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: try remounting the flash drives using the proper filesystem option
[12:31] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: and with your external HDD, you may need to remount and specify write permissions
[12:31] <bumzo> conv1ct : how exactly do i do that?
[12:31] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: i dont know how automounting of usb stuff is configured
[12:31] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: use umount and mount
[12:32] <bumzo> ehe .. then
[12:32] <fuel> bumzo : anyway what you need to do is this.....
[12:33] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: use 'fdisk -l' to find out what type of filesystem your flash drive uses, its probably fat16 or fat32
[12:33] <fuel> paste the content of /etc/fstab in pastebin
[12:33] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: wait .. there is no unmount option, jsut ''safely remove''
[12:33] <fuel> let us see how the drive is mounted , oh forgot also /etc/mtab
[12:33] <ForgeAus> fuel? what do you mean by default?
[12:33] <fuel> safely remove does not work
[12:33] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: its umount
[12:33] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: its ntfs
[12:33] <ForgeAus> its not the filesystem its the utilities that access them I think...
[12:34] <c0nv1ct> your flast drive is ntfs?
[12:34] <ForgeAus> lol flash drive NTFS? thats wierd
[12:34] <ForgeAus> I wasn't aware you could format them like that
[12:34] <c0nv1ct> i'm sure you could, but i wouldnt want to
[12:34] <bumzo> not a flash as such .. and externat hard drive connects via usb port (80GB)
[12:34] <c0nv1ct> oh, so you dont have a flash drive AND an external HDD?
[12:35] <fuel> ForgeAus: freespire does not mount ntfs drives by default (or after installing ) . i thought he might be having similar kind of problem
[12:35] <fuel> default==without editing /etc/fstab
[12:35] <c0nv1ct> fuel: i think the problem is in whatever automounts usb drives on connect
[12:36] <ForgeAus> linux uses tools like ntfs-3g, fuse and I think theres an ntfstools? or something to access NTFS
[12:36] <c0nv1ct> fuel: something with the new ntfs3g driver he installed affected it
[12:36] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: I have both ..which are not responding
[12:36] <uros> still not working - how do i set xcompmgr to run on startup (just run the command xcompmgr -n &)
[12:36] <c0nv1ct> uros: at the startup of KDE? or at the startup of the system?
[12:36] <bumzo> fuel: any idea?
[12:36] <ForgeAus> in the past writing to NTFS was problematic, the default way of mounting an NTFS drive under linux (at least Kubuntu) is Read-only
[12:36] <uros> conv1ct: sgtartup of KDE
[12:37] <fuel> bumzo: i asked you paste your /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab contents
[12:37] <ForgeAus> uros why not use kompmgr?
[12:37] <bumzo> forgeAus: i have a HDD on my comp and its ntfs and that i can read and write well after installing ntfs-3g (hda1)
[12:37] <fuel> bumzo : paste em and let us see if the problem is with the mounting options or with the drivers
[12:37] <bumzo> fuel: how do i get that?
[12:37] <fuel> bumzo: :D
[12:37] <uros> ForgeAus: kompmgr also ok - how do i set this to run on startup?
[12:37] <fuel> bumzo: alt+f2 - > konsole
[12:38] <c0nv1ct> uros: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10002/
[12:38] <bumzo> fuel:yes...
[12:38] <fuel> bumzo: cat /etc/fstab & then /etc/mtab
[12:38] <fuel> sorry its cat /etc/mtab
[12:38] <fuel> paste the output in the pastebin
[12:38] <bumzo> /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab contents
[12:38] <bumzo> Could not run the specified command.
[12:38] <ForgeAus> um uros maybe run it as a demon?
[12:38] <fuel> bumzo : "cat /etc/fstab"
[12:38] <ForgeAus> or put a .desktop link in kde's startup
[12:38] <uros> conv1ct: tnx!
[12:39] <ForgeAus> (um... forgot the name of it but there is one)
[12:39] <c0nv1ct> ForgeAus: thats what my pastebin showed him how to do :P
[12:39] <fuel> !ntfs
[12:39] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:39] <fuel> !fuse
[12:39] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:39] <uros> conv1ct: do you know how I could also do sudo rfcomm bind /dev/rfcomm0 00:0E:07:BF:EE:E3 1 on startup?
[12:39] <fuel> shouldnt the bot be called "kubotu" or something ? :D
[12:40] <c0nv1ct> uros: i dont think you can, since sudo will require a password
[12:40] <fuel> bumzo: ping!
[12:40] <ForgeAus> hehe its shared with #ubuntu
[12:40] <c0nv1ct> uros: does it require a GUI? you could make it a startup script when your system boots
[12:40] <bumzo> !pastebin
[12:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:40] <ReTyPe> when will the next beta of kubuntu be released ?
[12:41] <c0nv1ct> ReTyPe: one was just released recently
[12:41] <chavo> uros put it in /etc/rc.local
[12:41] <uros> conv1ct: no GUI just running the command
[12:41] <bumzo> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10003/
[12:41] <ForgeAus> ReTyPe I thinkt heres a release schedule somewhere
[12:42] <fuel> bumzo: your machine mounts your ntfs partition in read only mode! "ro"
[12:42] <uros> chavo: when i put it in /etc/rc.local should i put it with the sudo or just the command
[12:43] <bumzo> fuel: how do i change that?
[12:43] <ReTyPe> ForgeAus: here https://wiki.kubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[12:43] <fuel> bumzo: its pretty easy
[12:43] <chavo> uros no need for sudo, it runs as root
[12:43] <ReTyPe> ok, so i will test herd 5
[12:43] <fuel> bumzo: but a little bit risky . Anyway lets get on with the process
[12:43] <fuel> bumzo: open your terminal
[12:43] <c0nv1ct> bbl, stores opening soon
[12:43] <bumzo> fuel: opened
[12:44] <fuel> bumzo: "sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bk"
[12:44] <fuel> bumzo: first make a back up of your fstab contents (just in case)
[12:44] <ReTyPe> hmm, final is planned on my birthday, nice
[12:44] <bumzo> fuel: ah, thats a back up eeh.... done
[12:44] <fuel> bumzo: next!
[12:44] <fuel> bumzo: "sudo vi /etc/fstab"
[12:44] <bumzo> fuel:all ears
[12:45] <fuel> bumzo: after you open the file for editing, seek the line "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0"
[12:45] <fuel> change the "ro" part to "rw"
[12:45] <fuel> bumzo: and carefull that you dont insert any extra character into the file!
[12:46] <uros> tnx all!
[12:46] <fuel> bumzo: if you are new to vi , for editing press "i
[12:46] <bumzo> fuel: wait, nothing has opened
[12:46] <fuel> bumzo: what ?
[12:47] <fuel> bumzo: what do you mean? is it blinking or some error ?
[12:47] <bumzo> fuel:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10005/  .. thats what showing on the termonal screen
[12:48] <fuel> bumzo: :) . it should show that
[12:48] <ReTyPe> what is dmask for ?
[12:48] <fuel> bumzo: press "i"
[12:48] <bumzo> -- INSERT --                                                  1,1           All
[12:49] <bumzo> fuel:thats what i get
[12:49] <fuel> bumzo: ok . you see that insert ? now press the arrow keys
[12:49] <fuel> and seek the line where the ntfs thing is
[12:49] <bumzo> yes taht will be sda1
[12:50] <fuel> bumzo: right, now change the "ro" to "rw"
[12:50] <bumzo> fuel: done . how do i save?
[12:50] <fuel> bumzo: press escape
[12:51] <fuel> next press ":"
[12:51] <fuel> then you will find the cursor at the bottom of your screen
[12:51] <fuel> type "wq" and press enter
[12:51] <space_ninja> how do I change my keyboard setting to use anothe ISO thing
[12:51] <space_ninja> another
[12:51] <bumzo> fuel:done
[12:52] <fuel> bumzo: to be safe "cat /etc/fstab" and paste it. Lets make sure its done properly
[12:52] <bumzo> fuel .. i close the terminal?
[12:52] <bumzo> ok ..
[12:53] <bumzo> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10006/
[12:54] <fuel> bumzo: :) ok its done!
[12:54] <space_ninja> How do I change my keyboard settings to use UTF-8???
[12:54] <bumzo> fuel: so i close terminal n check?
[12:55] <fuel> bumzo: if you have your flash drive connected, remove it using the command "sudo umount /dev/sda1"
[12:55] <bumzo> fuel: done back to ''bumzo@Bumzo:~$ ''
[12:56] <fuel> now just plug in your flash drive and wait!
[12:56] <bumzo> fuel: waiting .....
[12:57] <fuel> bumzo: wait again . If it does not mount use konsole and type
[12:57] <fuel> "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1"
[12:58] <bumzo> fuel:mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[12:58] <fuel> wtf ?
[12:59] <bumzo> fuel: was thinking the same thing too
[12:59] <jack_> hi,i have got the problem that guarddog blocks certain ports like 404 (hotmail.co.uk, msn messenger) even though i allowed chat and http as protocols in the settings..
[12:59] <bumzo> Fuel: should i try mount it from the desk top? ... i can see it there ans when i right click has the ''mount'' option
[01:00] <fuel> bumzo: try it
[01:00] <naamuis> tell me how i can run windows programs in ubuntu?
[01:00] <bumzo> fuel: its trying .. says ''loading application''
[01:01] <fuel> bumzo: "sudo mount -t ntfs -w /dev/sda1 /media/sda1"  | make sure you have your drive connected
[01:01] <bumzo> Fuel: its loaded
[01:01] <fuel> bumzo: :) check it~!
[01:01] <bumzo> Fuel: i clicked it opened ''media:/sdb1''
[01:02] <fuel> bumzo: i suppose you changed the usb drive ?
[01:02] <fuel> bumzo: connected it to a different usb drive ?
[01:04] <larson9999> naamuis: what do you want to run?
[01:05] <fuel> naamuis: use wine
[01:05] <fuel> !wine > naamuis
[01:05] <bumzo> but i can ''only view contents''
[01:05] <bumzo> Fuel: I cant write to it .. should i run the command u have just given?
[01:06] <fuel> bumzo : you have connected it a different usb drive right ? if so revert to the first usb drive
[01:06] <root_> c0nv1ct: hi :-)
[01:07] <root_> c0nv1ct: Compiz works ;-) ... where there's a will ... there's a way !!
[01:08] <fuel> bumzo: by drive i meant the usb slot ,
[01:09] <naamuis> i want to run entropia :D
[01:09] <fuel> bumzo: the problem is now you have to look again at the fstab file and check out what device it is named ,
[01:09] <bumzo> hi
[01:09] <fuel> naamuis: check out wine software database, it might help you
[01:10] <oem> what do i do to activate Alien?
[01:11] <space_ninja> if slackware and gentoo are using rc.d, what is kubuntu using?
[01:11] <bumzo> Fuel: i lost connection sorry
[01:11] <fuel> bumzo: by drive i meant the usb slot ,
[01:11] <fuel> bumzo: the problem is now you have to look again at the fstab file and check out what device it is named ,
[01:11] <bumzo> jucato: hi
[01:12] <Jucato> hi
[01:12] <oem> what do i do to activate Alien?
[01:12] <Jucato> !alien | oem
[01:12] <ubotu> oem: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[01:12] <oem> hmm this app is only in rpm
[01:12] <oem> It is cedega
[01:13] <oem> i would use wine but i cannot find it even though i have verified it is installed
[01:13] <naamuis> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/wine does this work?
[01:14] <oem> all i want to do is play my gam,e ;(
[01:15] <ForgeAus> yup install wine should
[01:15] <ForgeAus> as long as wine is the package name
[01:15] <oem> ok i will try   ;(
[01:15] <ForgeAus> also filezilla is a windows ftp client that looks like it may work in wine
[01:16] <ForgeAus> I'm not going to make any promises but it seems reasonable that it would work
[01:16] <oem> my game is on cd though and i need to install it will wine install it?
[01:16] <ForgeAus> most windows apps are a hit-or-miss affair when it comes to wine
[01:16] <fuel> oem : play games on windows, even if you make it to work on linux, it will be slower
[01:17] <JohnFlux> mostly a miss :=)
[01:17] <oem> dont care pc is fast enough probably wont notice
[01:17] <ForgeAus> fuel thats most likely true
[01:17] <ForgeAus> but functionality is more important than speed
[01:17] <ForgeAus> at least imho
[01:17] <fuel> ForgeAus: games need speeeeeed!
[01:18] <Lamington> UT is faster on kubuntu than on XP
[01:18] <ForgeAus> that dpeneds on the game
[01:18] <fuel> UT is pretty old
[01:18] <ForgeAus> some are strategy and wait for user input rather than relying on sending much at you at once and seeing how much you can deal with
[01:18] <Lamington> yeah 2004 is
[01:19] <oem> now see i click on the installer and wine doesnt show up
[01:19] <Lamington> Im not a big gamer
[01:19] <oem> i feel like having some cheese with real wine
[01:19] <oem> am i missing a command or???
[01:19] <fuel> oem : wine your.exe
[01:19] <oem> ok how
[01:20] <fuel> press f8
[01:20] <oem> i right clicked the .exe and wine is not a choice
[01:20] <oem> hit f8
[01:21] <fuel> if you get the konsole  , type wine your.exe
[01:21] <oem> it brought up my identity
[01:21] <fuel> :-?
[01:21] <space_ninja> where do I set up the computer so it uses UTF-8?
[01:21] <oem> oh you want terminal
[01:21] <ForgeAus> I need to learn how to get used to Ark! it never seems to work as I expect it to
[01:21] <gentoofan23> space_ninja: on your terminal?
[01:21] <space_ninja> but which file?
[01:21] <ForgeAus> I guess i'm too used to winzip
[01:21] <space_ninja> should I edit
[01:21] <gentoofan23> !utf-8
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utf-8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <oem> ok terminal is up
[01:22] <naamuis> tell me how i install from .tar.gz
[01:22] <fuel> !build-essential
[01:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:22] <bumzo_> Fuel: sorry .. lost connection
[01:22] <fuel> !build-essential > naamuis
[01:24] <oem> oem@ubuntu:~$  wine'/media/cdrom0/Installer.exe'
[01:24] <oem> bash: wine/media/cdrom0/Installer.exe: No such file or directory
[01:24] <gentoofan23> hmm, from what I see UTF-8 is the default for ubuntu(and kubuntu)
[01:24] <fuel> oem : space needed between wine and your program
[01:25] <oem> o ok
[01:25] <fuel> bumzo_: its ok
[01:25] <bumzo_> Fuel: and my dist is still ''unmounted''
[01:25] <ForgeAus> ouch
[01:25] <fuel> x(
[01:26] <bumzo_> fuel: any other recommendations?
[01:26] <fuel> bumzo_: cat your fstab again , and see what device it is not
[01:26] <oem> ok so anytime i want to install somthing from windows i do this is that correct?
[01:26] <fuel> now
[01:26] <naught101> when ever I click a link in konversation or any other kde app, I get a new firefox window with two tabs - %s.com, and the link I've clicked.
[01:26] <fuel> whether its /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb or etc...
[01:26] <naught101> where do I fix such a thing?
[01:26] <naamuis> what's the command to unpack tar.gz?
[01:27] <fuel> !tar > naamuis
[01:27] <Jucato> naught101: Check the settings in System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser?
[01:27] <oem> Fuel !!! Thank you ...you are a genious!!!!!!!
[01:27] <oem> the damn thing is working LMAO hahaha
[01:28] <oem> i think i am going crazy
[01:28] <fuel> oem : :P . you are mistaken!
[01:28] <naught101> Jucato: thought I'd checked that, but no, you're right.
[01:28] <fuel> Jucato: hello!
[01:28] <Jucato> hi fuel
[01:28] <naught101> Jucato: is there any way to open it in a new tab in an existing window?
[01:28] <fuel> Jucato: yes he is :)
[01:28] <oem> no no wine is actualy working
[01:28] <naught101> Jucato: inflammable, possibly
[01:29] <Jucato> naught101: you'll have to check Firefox's settings for that, I think...
[01:29] <naught101> cool
[01:29] <waylandbill> light him on fire and let's find out. :-D
[01:29] <Jucato> :D
[01:29] <fuel> :P
[01:30] <oem> well while i wait for WoW to install i am going to go and find a cig see you in a few thanks again fuel
[01:30] <bumzo> fuel: that will be cat/etc/med1/fstab?
[01:31] <fuel> bumzo : cat /etc/fstab
[01:32] <bumzo> !pastebin
[01:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:33] <bumzo> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10010/
[01:33] <fuel> bumzo : connect your usb drive and "cat /etc/mtab "
[01:34] <bumzo> fuel: its already connected
[01:34] <fuel> mtab bumzo
[01:35] <bumzo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10011/
[01:35] <bumzo> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10011/
[01:39] <bumzo> FUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[01:40] <fuel> bumzo : yes !
[01:43] <bumzo> fuel: oh thot u had been disconnected
[01:43] <fuel> bumzo : yes i was disconnected
[01:46] <bumzo> fuel: ok, checked out my mtab?
[01:46] <eilker> how do u extract a rar file ? when i do right click, there is no extract to folder etc, only there is open with...
[01:46] <c0nv1ct> anying got quake3 installed? i get no sound :(
[01:46] <apokryphos> eilker: install unrar-nonfree
[01:46] <apokryphos> ubotu: info unrar-nonfree
[01:46] <Jucato> eilker: you need to install either unrar-free or unrar
[01:46] <ubotu> Package unrar-nonfree does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[01:47] <Jucato> apokryphos: :P
[01:47] <fuel> bumzo : sorry , get me the link .
[01:47] <Jucato> apokryphos: They changed the package names
[01:47] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:48] <Jucato> Dapper and earlier : unrar (free) and unrar-nonfree (multiverse). Edgy: unrar (non-free) and unrar-free... gotta love it :D
[01:48] <eilker> jucato: is it unrar-free ?
[01:48] <apokryphos> eilker: I've seen better success with plain unrar
[01:49] <Jucato> eilker: depends on what you need. but unrar (the one in multiverse) works for more types
[01:49] <eilker> apokryphos: i have this packages installed, my problem is , when i do right click, there is no options, extract to folder etc, there is open with (ark etc)
[01:50] <Jucato> eilker: what happens when you click on them?
[01:51] <Schuenemann> Hey, I suddenly started to get write errors all the time. For example, in firefox: "/tmp/FILENAME could not be saved because the disk, folder or file are write protected. Enable writing and try again or save elsewhere"
[01:51] <ForgeAus> do any gopher sites still exist?
[01:51] <eilker> jucato: u mean double click ? x archive's window opens)
[01:51] <Schuenemann> any ideas on that? it was ok some minutes ag
[01:51] <Schuenemann> ago*
[01:51] <ForgeAus> I found a kewl kio-gopher... problem is its a little late when gopher is basically... gone
[01:51] <Jucato> eilker: x archive? not ark?
[01:51] <ForgeAus> its a shame, I used to like gophering
[01:52] <eilker> jucato: not ark, xarchive, but i use ark to exract it (right click- open with ark)
[01:52] <ForgeAus> kio-pim is an interesting idea too!
[01:53] <Jucato> eilker: ah I only have a single "Extract to" in the context menu. only for .rar files
[01:53] <Schuenemann> that's happening in konversation, ark... everywhere
[01:54] <bumzo> Fuel: lousy connection ... got dc again
[01:54] <eilker> jucato: i had for all types, tar, tar.gz rar, etc, i lost them
[01:54] <bumzo> Fuel: did u check out my mtab?
[01:54] <fuel> bumzo: get me the link
[01:55] <fuel> bumzo: brb .
[01:55] <Jucato> eilker: I have them here, for .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 files... are you sure you still have Ark installed?
[01:56] <eilker> jucato: yes friend
[01:56] <Jucato> hm. strange...
[01:56] <bumzo> Fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10011/
[01:56] <bumzo> hi jucato
[01:56] <Jucato> eilker: let me get this straight. when your right-click on any archive format, you don't have that "Extract" menu anymore?
[01:56] <Jucato> hi bumzo
[01:57] <eilker> jucato: exactly
[01:57] <Schuenemann> Hey, I suddenly started to get write errors all the time. For example, in firefox: "/tmp/FILENAME could not be saved because the disk, folder or file are write protected. Enable writing and try again or save elsewhere". What is going on?
[01:58] <genii> Schuenemann: Are all the write attempts to that directory? Or all over?
[01:59] <Schuenemann> genii, I believe they are
[01:59] <eilker> jucato: i removed and reinstalled ark but no sense
[01:59] <Schuenemann> the temporary ones
[02:00] <Jucato> eilker: sorry, I have no idea what's wrong...
[02:01] <eilker> Jucato>thanx, i think sth in kde ...
[02:01] <Schuenemann> genii, you got any ideas?
[02:02] <genii> Schuenemann: so in konsole: sudo chmod 755 /tmp        should do. If not, try 777 but that is a bit too open normally LOL
[02:03] <fuel> bumzo:  your ntfs drive is mounted in rw mode ! still you are not able to write ?
[02:03] <Schuenemann> 755 is what again?
[02:04] <waylandbill> rwxr-xr-x
[02:04] <c0nv1ct> Schuenemann: rwx/rx/rx
[02:04] <fuel> Schuenemann: its permission :) or try a+x
[02:04] <fuel> !ntfs
[02:04] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:06] <bumzo> fuse: yup!!!
[02:06] <fuel> !ntfs-3g
[02:06] <Schuenemann> same stuff
[02:06] <Schuenemann> I'll restart X
[02:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:06] <waylandbill> setting /tmp to 755 would be not good though. it's owned by root and nothing would be able to write to it without root privs.
[02:10] <NSCAD_Nathan> j #pitivi
[02:10] <NSCAD_Nathan> whoops
[02:11] <Ash-Fox> !envy
[02:11] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[02:11] <Ash-Fox> I just discovered envy, it's neat =)
[02:14] <eilker> jucato: i have it again:)
[02:14] <Jucato> eilker: ooh nice
[02:15] <eilker> jucato: i installed kdeaddons....
[02:16] <Jucato> eilker: hm...
[02:17] <Jucato> well at least it works
[02:19] <Smurphy> what is envy ?
[02:19] <Smurphy> ah - got it ..
[02:22] <bumzo> Fuel: u thee
[02:23] <c0nv1ct> anyone know a good linux gaming channel, on this network or efnet?
[02:23] <xcidar> ? ;
[02:23] <xcidar> sry
[02:25] <genii> c0nv1ct: #linux-gamers.net is on tis network, I dunno how good it may be
[02:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Folks :)
[02:27] <xBill> hi
[02:28] <|toketin|> hi
[02:28] <|toketin|> can any one hel me?
[02:28] <xBill> depends on your problem ...
[02:29] <BluesKaj> hi xBill
[02:29] <|toketin|> look this image
[02:29] <|toketin|> is a my screen
[02:29] <|toketin|> http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1083/schermata1uf3.th.png
[02:29] <|toketin|> i don't know how there are these black lines
[02:29] <|toketin|> also on firefox download
[02:30] <|toketin|> do you know how can i resolve?
[02:31] <|toketin|> ??
[02:32] <|toketin|> http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermata1uf3.png
[02:33] <xBill> we'd need to have an error message or a logfile if possible, problems can be caused by nearly everything ...
[02:33] <|toketin|> ok
[02:33] <Jucato> |toketin|: System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors -> in the Widge Color dropdown list, select Alternative Background in Lists
[02:33] <Jucato> and change the color
[02:34] <acemo> how can i get my bluetooth headset to work under kubuntu?
[02:36] <fdoving> acemo: the snd-bt-sco module works for my plantronics discovery 640.
[02:36] <oem> i cannot get openGL to work on my Nvidia card
[02:37] <oem> tried to install the directx9 through wine but terminal says it cannot open the gl
[02:37] <acemo> oem, did u install nvidia drivers yet? http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[02:38] <Jucato> !nvidia | oem
[02:38] <ubotu> oem: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:38] <oem> through adept
[02:38] <oem> i went to nvidia got the driver just unsure hot to install it
[02:38] <Jucato> oem: nvidia-glx?
[02:39] <oem> NVIDIA-LINUX-x86-1.0-93631-pkg1.run
[02:40] <fyrmedic> How do I mount my SD card reader?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> there has to be a readme text file in the same folder , oem
[02:41] <acemo> fdoving, how does the snd-bt-sco works?
[02:41] <BluesKaj> or at least install instructions on the site , oem
[02:42] <oem> uh no it is a binary when clicked the editor comes up
[02:42] <ziyun> Good night,everyone!
[02:43] <ForgeAus> hmmm I been using Kubuntu and Xwindows for a while now and I still don't understand Xwindows/XFree/X11
[02:43] <oem> the binary driver how to page you posted yeah i followed it and the gpu crashed i could not do anything and had to reinstall KUBUNTU
[02:43] <ForgeAus> I guess its just going to remain a mystery to me
[02:44] <fdoving> acemo: you load a kernel module (driver), that can talk to the device. then you run some magic tool that connects to it.
[02:45] <ziyun> Today I begin to use the kubuntu for the first time and meet much difficuilty.
[02:45] <acemo> fdoving: i like magic :)
[02:45] <oem> i am just tried of getting sent to the same link all the time that i follow and do and then crashes my system
[02:46] <ziyun> why the Amorak cann't play music? Boring............
[02:47] <ziyun> and I cannot listen music and watch film. what can I do ?
[02:47] <genii> What, no amarok defenders around? ROFL I thought they'd be jumping out of the woodwork
[02:47] <oem> what i would like to see is a user freindly front end driver installer
[02:48] <ziyun> I wish some friend can help me
[02:48] <eilker> !ksayit
[02:48] <ubotu> ksayit: a frontend for the KDE Text-to-Speech system. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 225 kB, installed size 824 kB
[02:48] <oem> mine worked after i installed the updates i had to play around with the system before i figured it out and now dont remeber
[02:49] <mirkoval> italian'
[02:49] <mirkoval> ?
[02:49] <BluesKaj> oem, check this site for install instructions : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/22/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-edgy/
[02:50] <sys0110> how do i update my package tress ?
[02:50] <genii> ziyun try from konsole:  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:50] <ziyun> refresh your source.list
[02:50] <mirkoval> italian^?
[02:50] <sys0110> how?
[02:50] <ziyun> Thanks a lot!
[02:50] <mirkoval> italian chat
[02:50] <mirkoval> where is?
[02:50] <Jucato> !it | mirkoval
[02:50] <ubotu> mirkoval: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:51] <mirkoval> si  quello che sto cercando di fare
[02:52] <oem> how do i know the letter or name of my X server?
[02:52] <sys0110> how do i update my package tress ?
[02:52] <sys0110> how do i update my package trees ?
[02:52] <sys0110> how do i update my package lists ?
[02:52] <genii> sys0110 from konsole: sudo apt-get update
[02:53] <sys0110> ok
[02:53] <sys0110> ty
[02:53] <ziyun> It is pity. The server tell me that the package has been broken.
[02:53] <genii> oem you mean the screen it is running on?
[02:53] <oem> nevermind it wanted me to name the x server for reference
[02:54] <sys0110> so why when i make apt-get install xchat    it says cou;ding find pachage ?
[02:54] <sys0110> so why when i make apt-get install xchat    it says coulding find package ?
[02:54] <genii> ziyun the libxine-extracodecs package??
[02:56] <c0nv1ct> sys0110: xchat is in the repos
[02:56] <ziyun> it tells that libmad0 is not installable
[02:57] <genii> ziyun Odd, that file is in main repo. Should not need twiddling with sources.list
[02:58] <bumzo> fuel: are u there?
[02:58] <ziyun> It is time to go to bed. Thank genli. Hope to chat next time.
[02:59] <genii> ziyun What version you have? Dapper Edgy etc
[03:01] <oem> could i get the nvidia driver link again the hot link the last one i got?
[03:02] <Tm_T> !nvidia
[03:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:02] <oem> nope the other one
[03:02] <bumzo> !fuel
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fuel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:02] <bumzo> lol
[03:02] <oem> the other worked i just have to follow the rest of the steps
[03:03] <oem> please someone scroll up and grab the link please???
[03:04] <genii> oem http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/22/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-edgy/
[03:05] <BluesKaj> oem, check this site for install instructions : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/22/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-edgy/
[03:05] <genii> LOL
[03:05] <BluesKaj> hehe, hey genii
[03:05] <oem> yes that one
[03:05] <oem> thank thankyou
[03:05] <genii> BluesKaj Hiya :)
[03:07] <Ash-Fox> It's like the 4th time after I've done a update and it removed 'ipv6' from the blacklist
[03:07] <Ash-Fox> That's really annoying.
[03:07] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: that's because you edit existing files and accept to overwrite your changes when you upgrade.
[03:08] <Ash-Fox> I don't remember ever being prompted.
[03:08] <genii> Almost worth it to write a little script that echos the line back in LOL
[03:08] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: you can forexampel make /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipv6
[03:08] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: if you add your ipv6 stuff to that file (which doesn't belong to any package), it's not touched during upgrades.
[03:09] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, ah, I see, thanks.
[03:09] <genii> fdoving Elegant solution btw
[03:09] <ushaba> i'm looking at the sound how-to for ubuntu, and i've made it to the part about alsamixer settings, which appear to be correct, yet still i've got neither input or output
[03:09] <ushaba> anyone a sound guru?
[03:09] <Ash-Fox> It's really annoying that KDE has weird resolving issues when ipv6 is loaded in the kernel.
[03:10] <oem> what does this mean couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[03:10] <ushaba> any sound gurus pm me with ideas about what might have made my sound stop working in edgy
[03:10] <ushaba> input has never worked successfully, and sound stopped when trying to get mic input working
[03:10] <jhutchins> Ash-Fox: All the distros have that behavior.  They try to resolv a domain name to IPv6 until it times out, then resolv it via IPv4
[03:11] <jhutchins> ushaba: All I can tell you is that you're not alone, we need people to file bugreports.
[03:11] <Ash-Fox> jhutchins, I still don't get 'host not found' issues in non-kde applications.
[03:11] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[03:11] <oem> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another p                                    rocess
[03:11] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: i have ipv6 loaded, it works like a charm here.
[03:11] <ushaba> well
[03:11] <ushaba> i'm not sure it's a bug or a setting issue
[03:12] <ushaba> i figure you shouldn't file bug reports until you're sure it's not your own damn fault
[03:12] <ushaba> haha
[03:12] <BluesKaj> if you use FF , the above site has a fix for slow surfing
[03:12] <crimsun> ushaba: did you just file 91655?
[03:12] <ushaba> no
[03:12] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, I tend to just blacklist 'ipv6', stops all of that :P
[03:13] <jhutchins> ushaba: SoundBlaster?
[03:13] <ushaba> i'm pretty sure most problems i have with ubuntu are user error
[03:13] <ushaba> onboard nvidia on an asus m2npv-vm mobo
[03:13] <BluesKaj> yes, Ash-Fox, it's a blacklist procedure as well
[03:13] <genii> oem try sudo fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat          to see whats using it
[03:13] <jhutchins> ushaba: Even if it's user error, the frequency with which we see "My soundblaster stopped working" here indicates a problem.
[03:13] <ushaba> i've actually got another sound card too, on the south bridge, but i haven't even started with that yet...
[03:13] <ushaba> yes
[03:14] <ushaba> i've seen other nvidia errors on the forums
[03:14] <ushaba> so i suppose i am not alone
[03:14] <jhutchins> ushaba: I recommend disabling the on-board sound in the BIOS before proceeding.  Getting both working is advanced stuff.
[03:14] <ushaba> well, the other is also on-board
[03:14] <ushaba> it's just got inputs connected to the front panel of the case
[03:15] <ushaba> i think i'll settle for just one though
[03:15] <ushaba> the nvidia
[03:15] <BluesKaj> oem, try, 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:15] <ushaba> i can get you the name of the sound card
[03:15] <ushaba> hold on
[03:15] <oem> ok
[03:15] <crimsun> ushaba: use http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems, and tell me the pastebin url you use
[03:15] <ushaba> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia] , device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] 
[03:15] <ushaba>   Subdevices: 1/1
[03:15] <ushaba>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[03:15] <ushaba> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia] , device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] 
[03:15] <ushaba>   Subdevices: 1/1
[03:15] <ushaba>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[03:16] <ushaba> yeah, i'm looking at that site right now, can you recommend a pastebin?
[03:16] <ushaba> i don't use any yet...
[03:16] <ushaba> so green...
[03:16] <crimsun> oh, I can tell you without knowing anything additional that it's likely fixed in feisty
[03:16] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | ushaba
[03:16] <ubotu> ushaba: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:16] <ushaba> ok
[03:16] <ushaba> cool
[03:16] <crimsun> granted the fixes aren't in a released kernel yet
[03:16] <crimsun> they're in my git branches and have been pushed
[03:17] <ushaba> it looks to me as it's detecting the same soundcard twice though
[03:17] <oem> ok i did that and it asked for the psw and then went back to the curser
[03:17] <ushaba> which implies that it's a conflict
[03:17] <ushaba> hold on
[03:17] <genii> oem So it lists nothing as using the file?
[03:17] <crimsun> ushaba: no, you're misparsing the output
[03:17] <oem> right
[03:17] <ushaba> what do you mean?
[03:17] <crimsun> ushaba: note that device 0 subdevice 0 is different from device 0 subdevice 1
[03:17] <ushaba> ah, yes
[03:17] <oem> now i just shut down and rebooted so it may have changed
[03:18] <BluesKaj> yes , type in the pw , oem
[03:18] <ushaba> i have no idea what that means though
[03:18] <ushaba> haha
[03:18] <crimsun> ushaba: most alsa devices have a secondary subdevice for spdif
[03:18] <oem> i did and then that is when it went back to the curser
[03:18] <ushaba> it's currently set to 4 channel mode
[03:18] <crimsun> ushaba: that is, if the hardware offers it.
[03:18] <ushaba> i can also set it to 2 and 6 channel
[03:18] <ushaba> ok
[03:19] <jhutchins> ushaba: Are you actually using the spdif output?
[03:19] <genii> oem what package was it you were trying to install again?
[03:19] <ushaba> hold on
[03:19] <stavfx> alright so i'm back to my first problem, i'm using an old Creative 128bit PCI sound card (also have an onboard one) and there's no sound coming from either. can someone help?
[03:19] <oem> the Nvidia drivers off of this page http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/22/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-edgy/
[03:20] <ushaba> i feel rather retarded, but which is spdif output?
[03:20] <oem> because i dont know how to install the driver i downloaded from the nvidia stie
[03:20] <oem> brb sec
[03:20] <myTB|Tanuva> ushaba: optical output
[03:20] <BluesKaj> genii , oem is trying to install downloaded nvidia drivers
[03:20] <oem> it is the updated driver for kinux
[03:20] <ushaba> how do i determine if i am using spdif output?
[03:20] <oem> linux
[03:21] <ushaba> the sound worked before, but does not now, and nothing in the back of the computer has been changed
[03:21] <oem> i cannot get open gl to render
[03:21] <BluesKaj> oem, is there no instruction page on the nvidia site?
[03:21] <ushaba> still plugged into the same jack
[03:21] <oem> not realy not anything i understand
[03:21] <myTB|Tanuva> hmm... have the right kernel modules been loaded?
[03:21] <jhutchins> ushaba: You have a digital spdif cable connected to the spdif port.
[03:21] <jhutchins> ushaba: You have purchased and are using speakers that use an spdif connection.
[03:22] <ushaba> is this inside the computers?
[03:22] <jhutchins> ushaba: Try setting it off.
[03:22] <ushaba> or outside?
[03:22] <jhutchins> ushaba: Outside.
[03:22] <jhutchins> ushaba: Try setting it off.
[03:22] <myTB|Tanuva> its a high quality optical output used by philips and sony
[03:22] <ushaba> i have speakers attached at the back to a lime green slot
[03:22] <ushaba> they worked perfectly before
[03:22] <genii> oem OK. So it is the line sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx     that is giving you the /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked error? if so try: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx.deb
[03:22] <crimsun> StavFX: tell me the pastebin url you used for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:22] <oem> brbsec http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9631.html    driver page
[03:22] <ushaba> and stopped after i started screwing around with skype and sound settings
[03:23] <ushaba> so hold on
[03:23] <dromer> i all, I'm trying X forwarding again using Xming and putty, before this worked perfectly, but recently I get Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server
[03:23] <crimsun> ushaba: tell me the pastebin url you used for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:23] <ushaba> i'll do the pastebin thing
[03:23] <ushaba> ok
[03:23] <myTB|Tanuva> ushaba: maybe alsa just got killed?
[03:23] <ushaba> it's possible
[03:23] <BluesKaj> oem, here's one that you use and learn from as well, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy
[03:23] <dromer> can anyone tell me what setting has changed that I can't X forward anymore?
[03:24] <HA> !Fuse
[03:24] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:24] <myTB|Tanuva> doesnt ubuntu support ntfs-3g?
[03:24] <genii> dromer Is the goal to use a remote desktop like vnc or so?
[03:25] <BluesKaj> yes  myTB|Tanuva
[03:25] <dromer> genii: no, not remote desktop: X forwarding
[03:25] <StavFX> oem: um...pastebin url?
[03:26] <dromer> genii: run a local x-server and "stream" the program over a network to display on this local computer
[03:26] <genii> Isn't xming an X emulator for windoze??
[03:27] <StavFX> crimsun: what's pastebin url?
[03:27] <Tonren> About 90% of the time when I log in, my kicker panel crashes.  It might be an XGL/Beryl issue, but I don't think so.  All of my systray icons appear in the upper left corner of my desktop, and trying to run "kicker" again results in a pop-up dialog "Examining file process: .trash", though kicker doesn't actually start.  Has anyone heard of this before?
[03:28] <dromer> genii: no, it's an X_server_
[03:29] <genii> dromer So as I gather you are trying to forward an X session off an ubuntu box to some remote Windoze box then using xming there?
[03:30] <dromer> yes
[03:30] <ushaba> the ubuntu pastebin keeps timing out
[03:30] <dromer> it worked fine before, but now I suddenly get this error
[03:31] <ushaba> any other pastbins to recommend?
[03:31] <myTB|Tanuva> the french national assembly now migrates to ubuntu :) - http://www.heise.de/open/news/meldung/86578/from/rss09 (german site...)
[03:31] <myTB|Tanuva> ushaba: www.rafb.de was it iirc
[03:31] <myTB|Tanuva> no
[03:31] <compilerwriter> Dear God the French government is going to ruin Ubuntu for me.
[03:32] <myTB|Tanuva> ushaba: http://rafb.net/paste/
[03:32] <ushaba> hmm
[03:32] <ushaba> clearly in german
[03:32] <genii> dromer sorry, error is? (thinking something now perhaps to do with ssh conf file X forwarding settings)
[03:32] <ushaba> which i barely understand
[03:32] <dromer> genii: Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server
[03:32] <myTB|Tanuva> but you can paste your outputs there, cant you?
[03:33] <myTB|Tanuva> ah no
[03:33] <compilerwriter> genii I have just had to mess around with ssh what do you need to know
[03:33] <myTB|Tanuva> << confused
[03:34] <genii> compilerwriter: I think he is being refused access because X forwareding is disallowed in his sshd file
[03:34] <julle> i've been trying to unzip a tar.bz2 file with Ark. But without luck. Is there any other program i can try unzipping with ?
[03:34] <genii> compilerwriter: (dromer)
[03:34] <ushaba> alright
[03:34] <ushaba> this is output for the first three
[03:34] <ushaba> http://rafb.net/p/breBBf62.html
[03:34] <compilerwriter> dromer what do you have going on?
[03:34] <c0nv1ct> julle: what error do you get?
[03:35] <genii> dromer maybe check for X11Forwarding yes
[03:35] <genii> X11DisplayOffset 10
[03:35] <genii> X11UseLocalhost yes
[03:35] <genii> In your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[03:35] <genii> Sorry for multiline paste ops :)
[03:35] <dromer> compilerwriter: I'm on a windows-pc atm, running xming and putty, before I could forward X just fine, run programs remotely etc, just now I get this error
[03:36] <oem> i have to go and pay the rent i will brb
[03:36] <ushaba> hmm
[03:36] <ushaba> i can't tell what i am looking at in this pastebin
[03:36] <compilerwriter> I am in on an XP box with xming doing XDCP to my ubuntu box dromer
[03:36] <dromer> genii: all set correctly, I haven't changed anything to my sshd_config
[03:37] <dromer> compilerwriter: xdcp?
[03:38] <compilerwriter> XDMCP I mean dromer.
[03:39] <compilerwriter> Dromer do you have xlaunch
[03:39] <julle> c0nv1ct: it just hangs.
[03:39] <dromer> compilerwriter: I think so yes .. I have Xming running fine, I'm running iceweasel from my debian-box atm just fine
[03:40] <c0nv1ct> julle: try using the command line, tar -xvf filename
[03:40] <genii> dromer Make sure you are not trying to use both screens for the debian box and the windoze box eg: 10:0
[03:40] <compilerwriter> dromer I am trying to find the page that helped me get it up and running.
[03:40] <julle> c0nv1ct: ok thx
[03:41] <ushaba> alright sound gurus, i've pasted the output of the sound debugging steps to http://rafb.net/p/breBBf62.html and http://rafb.net/p/MDlnv914.html
[03:41] <CVirus> !skype
[03:41] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[03:41] <dromer> genii: I first tryed the ubuntu-box
[03:41] <ushaba> quite a lot of text to sort through, and it is picking up both sound cards at some level, even if only one is configured, i am only interested in the HDA one though
[03:42] <julle> c0nv1ct: that worked. inside this tar.bz2 file there is a .gz file what should i type after " tar -??? filename "
[03:43] <julle> c0nv1ct: to unzip that .gz file
[03:43] <c0nv1ct> julle: you can try ark with it, if not, use tar -xzvf
[03:43] <julle> c0nv1ct: thank you very much
[03:43] <Jucato> -xjvf if it's a .tar.bz2
[03:44] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: whats the 'j' do, i never use it and it still works
[03:44] <c0nv1ct> for bz2
[03:44] <Jucato> j is for bz2, z is for gz
[03:44] <Jucato> afaik
[03:44] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: oh, i never put in a j, and it still works for bz2
[03:44] <Tonren> About 90% of the time when I log in, my kicker panel crashes. It might be an XGL/Beryl issue, but I don't think so.  All of my systray icons appear in the upper left corner of my desktop, and trying to run "kicker" again results in a pop-up dialog "Examining file process: .trash", though kicker doesn't actually start.  Has anyone heard of this before?
[03:44] <compilerwriter> dromer perhaps this will help you sort things out. http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/trouble.php
[03:45] <c0nv1ct> Tonren: seems like a problem with your trash can maybe
[03:45] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: That's a good guess, but I don't see how it could possibly be the issue.
[03:46] <c0nv1ct> Tonren: try removing the trash applet in the config for kicker, see if it starts up
[03:46] <StavFX> alright i got some output on my sound problem, http://rafb.net/p/oKbxjK52.html  can someone help?
[03:46] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: That's the thing; I'm having a lot of trouble testing it, because 50% of the time it starts up perfectly!
[03:46] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: It appears to be random.
[03:46] <c0nv1ct> Tonren: thats weird
[03:46] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: Quite.
[03:46] <ushaba> still got my sound issues with no input or output, and the output of the debugging stuff is at http://rafb.net/p/breBBf62.html and http://rafb.net/p/MDlnv914.html
[03:47] <ushaba> the trash can thing happened to me a few days ago
[03:47] <c0nv1ct> Tonren: does it ever crash if beryl is not running?
[03:47] <ushaba> i was trying to clean up several old files
[03:47] <ushaba> and it just kept creating massive .Trash files on my external drives
[03:47] <ushaba> it was quite frustrating
[03:47] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: I haven't tested that extensively, but it never did it *before* I had Beryl, so it *could* be Beryl.
[03:47] <ushaba> beryl is not the problem
[03:47] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: I'm wondering if there's a log file somewhere that I can look at.
[03:47] <Tonren> ushaba: That's a first!
[03:47] <compilerwriter> dromer that page any help?
[03:47] <ushaba> since i stay as far away from those things as possible
[03:47] <c0nv1ct> Tonren: its very possible its a beryl issue
[03:48] <Tonren> ushaba: What do you think is my problem?
[03:48] <ushaba> it might be, but i am afraid of 3d
[03:48] <Tonren> c0nv1ct: I agree.
[03:48] <ushaba> no idea
[03:48] <Tonren> ushaba: Well then how do you know it's not a Beryl problem?
[03:48] <ushaba> but the deletion of the applet, deletion of the .trash file in /home/user/.kde/..../.trash
[03:48] <ushaba> did it
[03:48] <julle> do execute a .pl file what do i write?
[03:48] <ushaba> well, i don't, but i am saying it might not be a beryl problem
[03:48] <genii> dromer Somehow I think the xming should be trying 127.0.0.1:0.0 or localhost:0.0 instead of localhost:*10*.0
[03:48] <ushaba> i was too gung ho just then
[03:48] <Tonren> ushaba: Oh.  Haha, yeah, I mean, it could go either way.
[03:49] <ushaba> it could be a beryl problem, but it might not be since i had exactly the same thing even though i was afraid of beryl
[03:50] <genii> dromer Maybe you put 10 instead of zero into putty
[03:50] <bumzo_> jucato: do u know anything on mounting ntfs
[03:50] <Jucato> !ntfs | bumzo_
[03:50] <ubotu> bumzo_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:50] <ushaba> beryl is terrifying
[03:50] <Jucato> bumzo_: other than that, I use the Disks & Filesystems module in System Settings
[03:50] <ushaba> i'll wait till it's stable, i think
[03:51] <ushaba> so, any sound gurus still awake?
[03:51] <bumzo_> jucato: i have done everything .,... but i have just one incy bitsy problem with having write rights with a ntfs exteranl HDD
[03:52] <Jucato> bumzo_: ah.. that's because you can't/shouldn't write directly to NTFS
[03:52] <bumzo_> jucato: elaborate
[03:53] <Jucato> bumzo_: writing to NTFS directly is dangerous, because the implementation of the NTFS filesystem is proprietary and unknown.
[03:53] <bumzo_> jucato: any idea how i can write ''indirectly''?
[03:53] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: i wouldnt write to NTFS if i were you
[03:53] <Jucato> bumzo_: you will have to make use of indirect methods like ntfs-3g or fuse
[03:53] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g | bumzo_
[03:53] <ubotu> bumzo_: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:53] <Jucato> !fuse | bumzo_
[03:53] <ubotu> bumzo_: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:54] <genii> NTFS is a huge bottomless black hole that only M$soft knows where the bottom is
[03:54] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: use fat32 if you want cross-platform read/write
[03:55] <dromer> genii: no I didn't put a 10 instead of 0
[03:55] <genii> c0nv1ct: Actually ext3 shared and an ext3 driver for windoze is best. No 4Gb filesize limit
[03:55] <dromer> genii: before it evem worked withouth entering 127.0.0.1 or localhost, on my debian-machine it works just fine
[03:56] <genii> dromer Ah, OK. Because the error you pasted had 10.0 as the first X screen instead of the more normal 0.0
[03:57] <dromer> the problem is definatly not my xserver or putty
[03:57] <dromer> I don's understand, it worked just fine before :(
[03:57] <StavFX> i'm still stuck with no sound, i just installed Kubuntu and there's no sound coming from either of my cards
[03:57] <c0nv1ct> genii: i never tested the ext3 driver for windows, it didnt like my x64 XP
[03:58] <ComputerHermit> StavFX  what kind of soundcard you have?
[03:58] <genii> c0nv1ct: Works fine on my old p3 and my other turion system (both XP/2K dual boot)
[03:58] <StavFX> my onboard i'm not sure about, something from intel i think.  and i got a Creative 128bit sound blaster
[03:58] <StavFX> PCI ofcourse
[03:59] <BluesKaj> c0nv1ct, I use ntfs-3g and fuse to read and write to the windoze partition and vice versa ...what fat32 ?
[03:59] <genii> bumzo_ At any rate if you are interested in the windoze ext3 driver, http://www.fs-driver.org/
[03:59] <BluesKaj> why fat32 ?
[03:59] <c0nv1ct> BluesKaj: writing to ntfs in linux is risky, fat32 doesnt have any problems
[04:00] <genii> BluesKaj: Well, it is the simplest to set up and both OS need no special things to work it. But you can't of course put anything like dvd iso images since inherent fat32 4Gb limit and so on. That is why I say ext3 is better
[04:00] <StavFX> ComputerHermit: my onboard i'm not sure about, something from intel i think.  and i got a Creative 128bit sound blaster. what can i do?
[04:01] <ComputerHermit> well I have no sound eather and my sound card isent supported I been useing ubuntu for awhile now and I think Iam going to go use suse becaue it supported my board more but I like to spend$ and Iam tinking of buying a soundcard but I dont know witch one to get because this distribution isent bad once you uninstall the remote stuff
[04:02] <ComputerHermit> :-)
[04:02] <ComputerHermit> I dont use any file shareing
[04:02] <ComputerHermit> on my network
[04:03] <StavFX> where can i see if my card is supported?
[04:03] <ComputerHermit> google it
[04:03] <ComputerHermit> this is what I done
[04:03] <Dr_willis> compilerwriter,  some of the Creative cards are very well supported.. BUT that latest Xi-FI cards are NOT supported at this time
[04:03] <dromer> how can I remotely restart my sshd?
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Audigy 2 cards are good value.
[04:03] <StavFX> how do i change the card Kubuntu uses?
[04:03] <Dr_willis> dromer,  call a friend and have them hit the reset button? :)
[04:04] <c0nv1ct> dromer: i dont think you can, unless you can actually ssh/telnet in
[04:04] <dromer> Dr_willis: hehe, this will not do ;)
[04:05] <genii> dromer You will get disconnected of course but just sudo /etc/init.d/sshd   will do it
[04:05] <dromer> c0nv1ct: I'm ssh-ed in right now, but I need a new config to be activated, following http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/trouble.php I've deducted I need an extra option X11UseLocalhost yes  but I guess I have te restart the sshd to activate it :P
[04:05] <genii> sorry, sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[04:06] <c0nv1ct> dromer: do what genii said, and hope your changes work and sshd restarts :)
[04:06] <dromer> hmm, I don't even get disconnected :P
[04:06] <dromer> weird
[04:09] <dromer> damnit, I still can't x-forward :(
[04:10] <dromer> baah, forget it, I'll try this another time :S
[04:10] <c0nv1ct> dromer: i'm not familiar with x-forward, is it a remote desktop tool?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> X has a feature where you can connect to a remote box, and run apps on it and have them appear locally.
[04:11] <ForgeAus> jucato whats this mean?
[04:11] <ForgeAus> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[04:11] <ForgeAus> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[04:11] <ForgeAus> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[04:11] <Jucato> ForgeAus: install kdelibs4-dev
[04:11] <genii> dromer consider switching to freenx LOL
[04:22] <bibek> namaste to all
[04:22] <bibek> how do i actually install sth.ttf font in linux ingeneral?
[04:23] <fdoving> bibek: copy it to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ if all users needs access to it. else copy it to ~/.fonts/ (~ is an alias to your homedir, so /home/username/.fonts/)
[04:24] <fdoving> bbl.. dinner.
[04:25] <abattoir> bibek: or just rt. click ->Actions->Install font ;)
[04:25] <bibek> hi guys thanks a lot
[04:25] <bibek> but im not always in kde :)
[04:25] <bibek> about the installing in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ or ~/.fonts
[04:25] <bibek> once i've copied that, will it work instantly?
[04:26] <ushaba> i am going to bug the alsa people for a while
[04:26] <ushaba> back ina bit
[04:26] <bibek> also
[04:28] <jack_> hi, when i install the realplay10gold plugin it asks me for the full pathname of the directory where i want to install it, on the website itself it doesnt specify that; so where should i install it too?
[04:29] <bibek> wow it does work instantly :) thank you fdoving, abattoir
[04:29] <abattoir> bibek: aah, sorry, missed your question
[04:29] <bibek> my fonts in Openoffice looks weird
[04:30] <bibek> no antialising i guess
[04:30] <bibek> but in other programs works fine??
[04:31] <bibek> jack_, are u root?
[04:31] <jack_> bibek: no
[04:31] <bibek> jack_, if ur installing as a normal user, the safest bet is to install in ~/bin
[04:32] <jack_> bibek: should i do it as root? it didnt ask me for root privileges
[04:32] <bibek> nop
[04:32] <bibek> myself, i've installed on /home/bibek/bin/RealPlayer
[04:33] <genii> jack_ I think the realplayer already in the repos is version 10
[04:33] <compilerwriter> dromer did you get sorted out.
[04:33] <waylandbill>   /usr/local/bin/ could've been a good place to put it, but I thought there was a package for it already in the multiverse
[04:34] <waylandbill> !realplayer
[04:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:34] <waylandbill> !info realplayer
[04:34] <ubotu> Package realplayer does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:34] <genii> waylandbill Weird, I thought so too
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> real player is in the canoncial held repository afaik
[04:35] <jack_> genii: yes, but my livestream doesnt find it so i wanted to do it again manually following the webradios how to
[04:35] <waylandbill> almost everything is podcasts now anyway I thought. :-)
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> bibek: yep, that is a know issues afaik
[04:36] <bibek> Admiral_Chicago, let me google
[04:36] <bibek> Admiral_Chicago, but any quick help?
[04:37] <nysosym> damn i hate vmware player, is it impossible to install them completely and is it impossible to remove them... because they can't install the network bridge corectly... :-(
[04:37] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure if there is a fix
[04:37] <genii> jack_ /opt/RealPlayer    or equiv should be the place then
[04:38] <Admiral_Chicago> bibek: the openoffice.org-kde package may help you out
[04:38] <bibek> Ademan_kitchen, thanks, let me download it
[04:40] <jack_> genii i get the error message no appropriate hxplay or realplay in the system path to use as an embedded player
[04:41] <genii> jack_ You executed the file you downloaded from them? Or just put it in that path ?
[04:42] <genii> should be some .bin file that you sudo chmod +x to then execute
[04:42] <jack_> i did yes
[04:42] <jack_> then i did./...
[04:42] <jack_> but i was not sure about the path
[04:42] <nysosym> can anyone help me please, vmware-playere won't be removed...
[04:43] <jack_> so which should i use then?/usr/local/bin?
[04:43] <nysosym> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/8257/
[04:44] <genii> No, just /usr/bin
[04:44] <genii> jack_ You can test if it works from commandline by just: realplay
[04:45] <jack_> genii yes, but which path yours or waylandbill suggestion?
[04:45] <compilerwriter> genii did dromer get his stuff sorted out?
[04:45] <genii> jack_ All the reference i have found says either /opt/RealPlayer or /usr/bin
[04:46] <genii> compilerwriter: I think he gave up for now and went for a nap :) I suggested he look into freenx
[04:46] <jack_> genii i guess the prob i didnt use the realplayer before
[04:46] <jack_> genii but its there i dont need it, thats cool
[04:47] <waylandbill> it shouldn't matter where you put it as long as it's in the path
[04:47] <compilerwriter> I will continue to try to find the web page that helped me get it all set up.  It was very good.  I just wish I had bookmarked it.
[04:49] <genii> compilerwriter: I'm hoping someone will package freenx soon. It is very good and can do vnc protocol as well
[04:50] <compilerwriter> xming will vnc I believe.
[04:50] <jack_> genii: i still get the message but the player is there
[04:51] <compilerwriter> Anyone know the difference between /usr/bin/zsh and /bin/zsh?
[04:52] <genii> jack_ It may not work from in the web browser, perhaps try it. Earlier error you said was about not being able to use it as embedded player and so on
[04:52] <genii> do a diff on em LOL
[04:52] <jack_> but genii how can i use then a livestream radio from the web?
[04:53] <genii> jack_ Try from the browser first to see if it works or not. If it does,good. If not we deal with that
[04:53] <NSCAD_Nathan> Where is the option to allow dragging windows to the edge to change the desktop?  I can't seem to find it
[04:54] <jean-benoit> !fr
[04:54] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:54] <jack_> genii i did, i still get the error, only now it says transferring sth in the pop up window of the stream, but the messies come again and no sound
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> compilerwriter: /bin/zsh is system wide
[04:56] <sound_fx> Can anyone tell me how to configure how to close my lid on my laptop to suspend?
[04:56] <bumzo> oh no
[04:56] <bumzo> is fuse here?
[04:56] <Tm_T> !java
[04:56] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:57] <genii> jack_ OK, what dir did you end up installing it in?
[04:57] <bumzo> i need help in mounting my flash
[04:57] <jack_> genii when i discovered it was in the system i didnt
[04:59] <genii> jack_ OK, delete /opt/RealPlayer if you installed it there before. Then re-run the binary with sudo./thefilename.bin     (in the dir it is in) and tell it to use /usr/bin
[04:59] <bumzo> !patebin
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <bumzo> !pastebin
[04:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:00] <mneisen> Hi, is there any tool to create diffs of *really* LARGE files (~3-5 GB)? If so, is there a companion program to apply such patches?
[05:01] <genii> mneisen I'm pretty sure the standard diff/patch tools can make large files to 16Gb
[05:01] <waylandbill> mneisen: diff and patch should be able to handle that.
[05:02] <bumzo> PLEASE HELP http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10024/
[05:02] <bumzo> are these chat sessions saved?
[05:02] <jack_> genii its not there, which says /usr/bin/realplay
[05:02] <bumzo> i'd like to retrieve an ealrier chat session with a guy called fuse
[05:03] <mneisen> genii: waylandbill: the problem is that diff takes up lots of RAM (up to 3G) and then quits ... when swap space runs out ...
[05:03] <Jucato> !logs
[05:03] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:03] <Jucato> bumzo: ^^
[05:03] <waylandbill> bumzo: did you format the flash disk with a filesystem the kernel recognizes?
[05:03] <mneisen> Is there any option to maybe tell diff not to keep the diff'ed files in AM?
[05:04] <waylandbill> mneisen: maybe --speed-large-files ?
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> blue|palm: looking now
[05:04] <mneisen> waylandbill: already tried that, to no avail... :-(
[05:04] <waylandbill> mneisen: these binary files?
[05:05] <bumzo> its FAT sustem waylandbill
[05:05] <mneisen> waylandbill: No, text files.
[05:08] <waylandbill> mneisen: you should be able to write a small C program that uses disk rather than memory. if there isn't something already.
[05:09] <sound_fx> Do you have to configure suspend options via console? or is there a graphical interface I'm not seeing?
[05:09] <mneisen> waylandbill: I'm looking for that little something ... :_D
[05:10] <bibek> why doesn't ark contain the option to select compression level and passwords??
[05:11] <bibek> its pretty strange but i haven't seen a good gui archive manager :(
[05:11] <ubuntu> lol
[05:11] <waylandbill> mneisen: another option is to split the files and diff the portions.
[05:11] <ubuntu> I have a problem, propeller heads
[05:11] <blue|palm> Admiral_Chicago: sorry?
[05:12] <ubuntu> My brand new slackware 10.2 installation won't see my usb mouse/keyboard, they both channel through one usb  cord, and i told it that i had a usb mouse during the installation
[05:12] <mneisen> waylandbill: Yes, I will try that option (using cut). Nevertheless, thank you very much. :_D
[05:12] <waylandbill> bibek: if you need special circumstances like setting compression level, then using the command line wouldn't be that difficulty
[05:12] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: you do realize you are asking this in a ubuntu channel right?
[05:13] <jack_> genii it works fine now,i just reinstalled in synaptic
[05:13] <genii> jack_ Ah, good :)
[05:13] <ubuntu> i never got synaptic
[05:13] <ubuntu> i prefer adept
[05:13] <clive> who am I?
[05:14] <blue|palm>  Hi, can anyone tell me if OO 2.1 is in the ubuntu repos yet? Or must i download it from the OO website?
[05:14] <ubuntu> i don't thinnk OO2.1 is in the repository yet
[05:14] <genii> mneisen diff has -H   switch for large files but I dunno if it will have any effect on how much swap gets used
[05:14] <ubuntu> i'll check right now
[05:14] <DaSkreech> crimsun: ping
[05:14] <mneisen> genii: I already tried sdiff - same problem if later.
[05:14] <ubuntu> yo bluepalm, i'm lookin for ya
[05:14] <blue|palm> ubuntu: if not, is there a reason for it not being in the repos?
[05:15] <blue|palm> ubuntu: thanks
[05:15] <waylandbill> !info openoffice.org
[05:15] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[05:15] <genii> mneisen Well, the dirty fix would be to just make some humungous swap partition or disable swap entirely
[05:16] <ubuntu> no we're still at version 2.0 in the repos
[05:17] <DaSkreech> !info koffice
[05:17] <ubotu> koffice: KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 76 kB
[05:17] <genii> mneisen: If were me I'd likely try disable swap as first tactic
[05:17] <DaSkreech> !info openoffice.org feisty
[05:17] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.0~rc3~oof680m10-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[05:17] <ubuntu> !infoo  dmake
[05:17] <ubuntu> !info dmake
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infoo  dmake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <ubuntu> awwwwww
[05:17] <ubotu> dmake: make utility used to build OpenOffice.org. In component main, is extra. Version 1:4.4-2 (edgy), package size 115 kB, installed size 272 kB
[05:18] <conrad_> is kubuntu studio coming out too?
[05:18] <fuel> any idea how to download a directory or a folder from a webpage (recursively) ?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> conrad_: Hmm?
[05:18] <fuel> for example java doc ?
[05:18] <ubuntu> !divx4linux
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about divx4linux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <DaSkreech> fuel: try wget
[05:18] <genii> fuel wget with recursive switch
[05:18] <DaSkreech> or keget
[05:18] <ubuntu> !info divx4linux
[05:18] <DaSkreech> kget
[05:18] <ubotu> Package divx4linux does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:18] <conrad_> DaSkreech: it looks really good! ubuntustudio.org
[05:18] <mneisen> genii: The problem is that diff needs *more* RAM not less.
[05:18] <fuel> DaSkreech: i have kget installed, how to use it recursively ?
[05:18] <waylandbill> mneisen: diff'ing multigigabyte files is going to be very, very time consuming no matter how you handle it.
[05:18] <ubuntu> hey where can i get divx4linux?
[05:19] <mneisen> waylandbill: yes i know ... :-(
[05:19] <c0nv1ct> !codecs | ubuntu
[05:19] <ubotu> ubuntu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:19] <DaSkreech> fuel: I actually don't know :) I would guess that it can do it though
[05:19] <fuel> :)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> fuel: Check shortcuts maybe?
[05:19] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: not heard of ubuntu studio project?
[05:20] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: Nope
[05:20] <waylandbill> mneisen: if you need to do it repeatedly, you almost need to track what is getting changed while changing rather than determining afterwards.
[05:20] <ubuntu> !codecs | BSD
[05:20] <ubotu> BSD: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:20] <DaSkreech> It's a movie?
[05:20] <genii> mneisen I'd say disabling swap would make the system crawl during the process but it should complete. It should write cunks aout instead of stockpiling the data on swap drive.
[05:20] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: #ubuntustudio
[05:20] <genii> *chunks* not cunks
[05:20] <ubuntu> !info gcjj
[05:21] <ubuntu> oops
[05:21] <ubotu> Package gcjj does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:21] <ubuntu> !info gcj
[05:21] <ubotu> gcj: The GNU Java compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.1-6ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:21] <waylandbill> genii: it wouldn't cause system instability when the ram is consumed?
[05:21] <ubuntu> !info jdk
[05:21] <ubotu> Package jdk does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:21] <ubuntu> shoot
[05:21] <ubuntu> !info x
[05:21] <ubuntu> haha
[05:21] <ubotu> Package x does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:21] <ubuntu> lawl
[05:21] <ubuntu> !info x11
[05:22] <ubotu> Package x11 does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:22] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: its a bit quite over at #ubuntustudio, lol
[05:22] <genii> waylandbill The memory management is usually superb in debian/ubuntu. i should think it would fill up, dump the results it had so far then repeat until the output file is done.
[05:22] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: Shhh recording in progress?
[05:22] <genii> ubuntu Please, if you must pester the ubotu open up a separate private box LOL
[05:23] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: recording session? :o
[05:23] <livingdaylight> ^^
[05:23] <waylandbill> genii: if it worked like that, I would assume that mneisen's problem wouldn't even be happening then
[05:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, bots have feelings too, ya know :)
[05:23] <mneisen> waylandbill: right you are...
[05:23] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: ^_^
[05:23] <ubuntu> they do?
[05:24] <mneisen> my problem is *not* speed.
[05:24] <ubuntu> bots... have feelings? what madness is thsi?
[05:24] <ubuntu> this*
[05:24] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: It is what it is programmed to feel
[05:24] <BluesKaj> utter madness
[05:24] <genii> !botsnack
[05:24] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:24] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: then I would have ... OMG
[05:24] <genii> Well he seems to at least get hungry
[05:24] <ubuntu> you just fed the bot
[05:24] <ubuntu> !botsnack
[05:24] <ubuntu> aww
[05:24] <DaSkreech> !botslap
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botslap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <ubuntu> !botmolest
[05:25] <JuJuBee> Greetings.  Trying to load 6.10 onto a new computer (INTEL 965 MoBo, Core 2 Duo, 2GB Ram, 160GB HD).  I get the boot menu, but when I try to install, I get the splash screen then an error about BusyBox...  I disabled the splash and it appears that once the kernel loads, the system forgets how to read the DVD drive.
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botmolest - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <ubuntu> JuJuBee: reset your bios first
[05:25] <|alex|> someone could help me?
[05:25] <JuJuBee> Back to Factory Defaults?
[05:25] <|alex|> I have a problem
[05:25] <ubuntu> yes
[05:26] <JuJuBee> K
[05:26] <ubuntu> jujubee: then enable booting from your drive
[05:26] <genii> mneisen Well, then if you don't want to chance disabling swap, the other option is to make the huge swap partition and see if it still chunks out
[05:26] <fuel> genii : wget with recursive switch works wonderfully!
[05:26] <ubuntu> !info loginscreen6.9
[05:26] <ubotu> Package loginscreen6.9 does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:26] <genii> fuel glad to hear :)
[05:26] <JuJuBee> But booting from dvd is enabled by default
[05:27] <ubuntu> You get to the splash screen?
[05:27] <JuJuBee> Yes
[05:27] <ubuntu> !info busybox
[05:27] <ubotu> busybox: Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 283 kB, installed size 516 kB
[05:27] <ubuntu> ahaha
[05:27] <mneisen> genii: I think of several solutions and will experiment.
[05:27] <ubuntu> jujubee: is it a laptop?
[05:27] <JuJuBee> No
[05:27] <mneisen> genii: waylandbill: thanks-a-jillion for your ideas and help.
[05:27] <bumzo> hi guys
[05:27] <genii> mneisen OK, best luck
[05:27] <ubuntu> jujubee: does it have an old vidocard?
[05:27] <bumzo> i've just mounted my flash disk using ''sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1''
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: and?
[05:28] <|alex|> From three days kubuntu show me only windows partition on the desktop. If I want to see other partition i have to close session and open a new session
[05:28] <JuJuBee> Dont think so.  NVIDIA GeForce 6200 LE
[05:28] <|alex|> how can i solve this problem?
[05:28] <ubuntu> ahh thats what i have
[05:28] <ubuntu> umm...
[05:28] <ubuntu> it might be a bad burn
[05:28] <fuel> bumzo: welcome back!
[05:28] <ubuntu> or a scratch
[05:28] <ubuntu> you never know
[05:28] <bumzo> when i try write to it ... it says ''access denied, could not write to media/sda1''
[05:28] <bumzo> FUEL
[05:29] <ubuntu> bumzo: are you trying it as root?
[05:29] <bumzo> fuel: i've been looking ollova for u lol
[05:29] <JuJuBee> I am trying to download a new image now.
[05:29] <fuel> bumzo: :) too bad :P
[05:29] <|alex|> there is someone who could help me?
[05:29] <ubuntu> ok, have you had an earlier version working before?
[05:29] <bumzo> ununtu: i tried both as root and as me (bumzo)
[05:29] <fuel> bumzo: so whats your progress?
[05:29] <ubuntu> like 6.06
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: you have to browse to it with a "kdesu konquror"
[05:29] <JuJuBee> This CD works fine in other machines.  I used it to install before
[05:29] <|alex|> contact me in pvt
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: NM then
[05:29] <ubuntu> jujubee: then don't get a new image
[05:29] <ubuntu> jujubee: hmm...
[05:29] <JuJuBee> I also tried 6.06 and that did not boot either
[05:30] <ubuntu> jujubee: do you know that the hard drive is good?
[05:30] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: wahts NM?
[05:31] <waylandbill> never mind
[05:31] <ubuntu> busybox is a weird app to stop an installation ...
[05:31] <JuJuBee> Can't say for sure.  brand new
[05:31] <ubuntu> !info busybox
[05:31] <ubotu> busybox: Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 283 kB, installed size 516 kB
[05:31] <genii> waylandbill Damn, found his answer but gone now
[05:31] <|alex|> SOS
[05:31] <ubuntu> Are you trying to dual boot?
[05:31] <|alex|> help
[05:31] <bumzo> when i pluc it in ... it doesnt automatically mount ... when i mount it from terminal .. i cant wtrit e to it ... only read its ontents
[05:31] <JuJuBee> No
[05:31] <bumzo> Fuel: u there
[05:31] <|alex|> help me
[05:31] <ubuntu> hmm
[05:31] <muuhBDXi> will ubuntu make a USB srive linux distro ?
[05:31] <fuel> bumzo: yep waiting :0
[05:31] <ubuntu> ahh.......
[05:32] <muuhBDXi> will ubuntu make a USB drive linux distro ?
[05:32] <genii> mneisen Still here and/or alive?
[05:32] <muuhBDXi> :D
[05:32] <ubuntu> muuhBDXi: if you want a USB drive linux distro, get DamnSmallLinux
[05:32] <|alex|> someone speak italian?
[05:32] <bumzo> fuel: i dont know what we did earlier ... but i could read flash disks but not my usb external 80GB ntfs disk
[05:32] <muuhBDXi> i dont want dsl
[05:32] <genii> muuhBDXi: You can already install the standard dist on a USB drive or key if it has more than about 3Gb free
[05:32] <bumzo> Fuel: now i cant read my flash disks
[05:33] <ubuntu> jujubee: try a different distro, juju
[05:33] <fuel> bumzo: :o
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> !it > |alex|:
[05:33] <bumzo> fuel :S
[05:33] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: can't see how it is different to Linux Mint
[05:33] <ubuntu> get damnsmalllinux and then just see if it will run off of the CD
[05:33] <muuhBDXi> my USB drive has 250 megas
[05:33] <waylandbill> genii: what's the answer?
[05:33] <fuel> bumzo: ok do you have vnc installed
[05:33] <fuel> ?
[05:33] <JuJuBee> I tried Kororaa and it seems to tell me the same thing.  Once kernel loads, it forgets how to read the cd
[05:33] <bumzo> fuel: vnc?
[05:33] <fuel> !vnc
[05:33] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[05:33] <genii> muuhBDXi: You'll be lucky to find anything that will run with some gui on that
[05:34] <JuJuBee> Im using an INTEL board with 965 chipset, if that helps
[05:34] <bumzo> fuel how do i install it? can i use add remove programs?
[05:34] <muuhBDXi> genii are you a missinformation agent ?
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> muuhBDXi: slax
[05:34] <fuel> bumzo: i think its installed by default
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> I think it can fit on 256mb
[05:34] <genii> waylandbill: From http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/diff.1.asp   : When you call it as bdiff, diff computes the differences in chunks of n lines (default 3999). This lets you process arbitrarily large files and generally produces less output than the -h option.
[05:34] <bumzo> fuel: ok, how do i get it?
[05:34] <ubuntu> jujubee: have you tried a floppy install?
[05:34] <muuhBDXi> theres lots of kde distros that run under 250 megas usb drives
[05:34] <ubuntu> jujubee: brb
[05:34] <JuJuBee> No, don't have floppy drive
[05:35] <JuJuBee> K
[05:35] <MidMark> hi, is there something special I have to do to install java-jre6 in a powerpc mac? because it says that it cannot satisfy some dependencies
[05:35] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, I hate to ask, did you partition the drive ?
[05:35] <muuhBDXi> i mean ubuntu has lots of flavours like xubuntu kubuntu etc
[05:35] <bumzo> fuel:i can see ur pvt message but cant reply coz am not registered
[05:35] <muuhBDXi> why not a USB drive distro has well
[05:35] <fuel> oh!
[05:35] <muuhBDXi> ?
[05:35] <JuJuBee> No, haven't been able to boot yet
[05:35] <genii> muuhBDXi: You can copy over the casper boot dist from the CD but I think you need even about 800Mb for that
[05:36] <fuel> bumzo: now did you try asking in #linux ?
[05:36] <genii> (if you want to install stuff)
[05:36] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee,I presume the pc came with windows ?
[05:36] <fuel> bumzo: did you install ntfs ?
[05:36] <fuel> !ntfs
[05:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:36] <fuel> !ntfs-3g
[05:36] <JuJuBee> No, bought parts   to build it.
[05:36] <waylandbill> genii: that's only for the mkstoolkit's diff.
[05:36] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[05:36] <ubuntu> !reiserfs
[05:36] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[05:37] <fuel> notorious ?
[05:37] <ubuntu> !ext3
[05:37] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:37] <ubuntu> lol
[05:37] <genii> waylandbill Really? Damn, thought I had it for a minute there :(
[05:37] <fuel> thats very very partial
[05:37] <ubuntu> lol
[05:37] <bumzo> fuel : installed ntfs-3g sucessufly yes
[05:37] <ubuntu> !echo
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about echo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <fuel> actually i used reiser fs when using suse and it was damn good
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> fuel: probably his wife wrote that
[05:37] <ubuntu> !info echo
[05:37] <ubotu> Package echo does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:37] <fuel> nosrednaekim: :D
[05:37] <ubuntu> what is the POINT of echo other than SH scripts?
[05:38] <lilalinux> my kubuntu 6.06 doens't have knetworkmanager in it's repository. Where can I find it?
[05:38] <ubuntu> !info knetworkmanager
[05:38] <bumzo> fuel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10029/
[05:38] <genii> waylandbill: Interestingly, man bdiff produces a page on my dapper box
[05:38] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[05:38] <ubuntu> it is in the repos, lilalinux
[05:38] <ubuntu> do this:
[05:38] <fuel> even knetstats is very good
[05:38] <ubuntu> lilalinux: open up a terminal and type this:
[05:39] <fuel> bumzo: you have lots of patience :) anyway type vncserver
[05:39] <bumzo> fuel: there is a command we ran earlier that got it writing and reading much earleir in the day. I rebooted my system, then it stopped the mounting
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !It | |Alex|
[05:39] <ubotu> |Alex|: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:39] <fuel> bumzo: so read and wrote ? very good :)
[05:39] <ubuntu> lilalinux: cd /etc/apt/ && sudo EDITOR (i used vim) sources.list
[05:39] <fuel> bumzo: what command did you try ? ( which worked)
[05:39] <ubuntu> add universe multiverse to both of the repository lines
[05:39] <fuel> !knetstats
[05:39] <ubotu> knetstats: network interfaces monitor for KDE's systray. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 105 kB, installed size 596 kB
[05:39] <lilalinux> ubuntu: thx
[05:40] <bumzo> fuel: perfectly (on flash disks i.e) which are fat32 i even transfered several files
[05:40] <ubuntu> lilalinux: np
[05:40] <bumzo> fuel: thats what i dont rmember lol
[05:40] <fuel> bumzo: fat32 works without problem man
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: fat32 is different from ntfs...
[05:40] <ubuntu> no di
[05:40] <ubuntu> dip
[05:40] <ubuntu> !nfs
[05:40] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[05:40] <ubuntu> !cdfs
[05:40] <bumzo> fuel: bash: vncserver: command not found
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <ubuntu> sorry guys i just wanna see if they're biased anymore
[05:41] <bumzo> ubuntu ..am aware of that yes
[05:41] <fuel> ok "sudo apt-get install vncserver"
[05:41] <ubuntu> lol
[05:41] <fuel> !vncserver
[05:41] <ubotu> vncserver: Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.7-12ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 541 kB, installed size 1244 kB
[05:41] <federicoC81> hello everybody can i please ask for an help with wireless?
[05:41] <ubuntu> OOH OOH ME
[05:41] <ubuntu> ME
[05:41] <ubuntu> ME
[05:41] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[05:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:42] <nosrednaekim> federicoC81: you may
[05:42] <ubuntu> !info madwifi
[05:42] <ubotu> Package madwifi does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:42] <ubuntu> aw
[05:42] <mneisen> genii: still alive and kicking :-D
[05:42] <nosrednaekim> !info madwifi-ng
[05:42] <bumzo> ubuntu: 	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10001/ thats the root of all my probs lol
[05:42] <ubotu> Package madwifi-ng does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:43] <federicoC81> i have problems connecting to w-lans protected by WEP
[05:43] <federicoC81> i tried to use both wlassitant and wifi-radar with the same result
[05:43] <bumzo> fuel: am loking up upon u ... u are my saviour
[05:44] <federicoC81> that is it doesn't get an IP
[05:44] <genii> mneisen Thought I had it earlier but looks like not. Still, looking around.
[05:44] <ubuntu_> k
[05:44] <ubuntu_> oh man
[05:44] <ubuntu_> i messed up
[05:44] <fuel> ubuntu : help bumzo
[05:45] <ubuntu_> fuel: what does bumzo need?
[05:45] <fuel> ubuntu_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10001/
[05:45] <mneisen> genii: OK, thank you.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> yo aseigo
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> !CNR
[05:46] <federicoC81> !CNR
[05:46] <fuel> ubuntu_: he wants to mount and read/write stuff but something is coming inbetween
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cnr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <fuel> :O
[05:46] <ubuntu_> bumzo: what type of FS is on your external disk?
[05:46] <nosrednaekim> !WEP | federicoC81
[05:46] <ubotu> federicoC81: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:46] <fuel> is ubuntu going ahead with cnr + adept ?
[05:46] <ubuntu_> dunno
[05:46] <nosrednaekim> fuel: I think so..I hope its in fiesty
[05:46] <nosrednaekim>  /. has an article on it today
[05:46] <ubuntu_> BUMZOO: WHAT FS IS ON YOUR EXTERNAL FLASH DISK
[05:46] <bumzo> ubuntu: NTFS ... its a toshiba slim disk
[05:46] <fuel> but what are the advantages? and adept has everything!
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> fuel: you can get "illegal" codecs
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> legally
[05:47] <fuel> nosrednaekim: :))
[05:47] <bumzo> ubuntu: fuel: you wanna see my /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab contents
[05:47] <lilalinux> ubuntu_: "apt-cache search knetworkmanager" returns no result, even after apt-get update
[05:47] <fuel> i am all for cnr+adept! :)
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah... me too
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> as long as they leave adpet
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> *adept
[05:48] <fuel> :)
[05:48] <ubuntu_> bumzo: what about this: mount /dev/sda1 ntfs /media/sda1
[05:48] <ubuntu_> you don't want to format it tho...
[05:48] <Lynoure> lilalinux: apt-cache search network manager   is more fault tolerant
[05:48] <ubuntu_> lilalinux: are you using command line apt or adept?
[05:48] <ubuntu_> !info adept
[05:48] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[05:49] <timster> How can I allow a window to be in two different desktops if its half way between, without beryl
[05:49] <lilalinux> ubuntu_: commandline
[05:49] <ubuntu_> lilalinux: try apt-get install adept and then run adept and search for knetworkmanager
[05:49] <lilalinux> k
[05:50] <timster> !windows behaviour
[05:50] <ubuntu_> !botsnack
[05:50] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:50] <bumzo> ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10032/
[05:50] <ubuntu_> bumzo: i saw it
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> fuel: whats wrong with beryl?
[05:51] <pinguin_> #channels
[05:51] <ubuntu_> bumzo: did you actually look in the error log?
[05:51] <bumzo> ubuntu: i'll be very frank .. NO
[05:51] <yacoob> Greetings.
[05:51] <ubuntu_> buzo: (in konsole) dmesg | tail
[05:51] <yacoob> Is there a FAQ somewhere how to integrate firefox with kde smoothly?
[05:51] <ubuntu_> that should give you your error report
[05:52] <fuel> nosrednaekim: i dont have a hardware that can support it :(
[05:52] <nosrednaekim> fuel: what kinda video card?
[05:52] <ubuntu_> yacoob: just do like apt-get install firefox
[05:52] <ubuntu_> fuel: what kinda video card?
[05:52] <waylandbill> genii: mneisen: I found source for bdiff here: http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/tools.html
[05:53] <fuel> mine is just inbuild 64MB card (shared memory)
[05:53] <timster> !firefox
[05:53] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:53] <ubuntu_> fuel: then don't complain
[05:53] <fuel> :D
[05:53] <timster> !firefox2
[05:53] <yacoob> ubuntu_, there's more than that :)
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <mneisen> waylandbill: Great!
[05:53] <timster> How can I install firefox 2
[05:53] <ubuntu_> fuel: any 128mb vidcard will be better than a 64 integrated
[05:53] <yacoob> ie, integrating with alt-f2 'g something'
[05:53] <nosrednaekim> fuel: that doesn't neccesarily rule it out... is it an Intel?
[05:53] <mneisen> I was looking for bdiff but could not find a free version of it.
[05:53] <ubuntu_> timster: apt-get install firefox
[05:53] <fuel> nosrednaekim: yes
[05:54] <timster> ubuntu_: Thats only 1.5
[05:54] <timster> I want firefox 2
[05:54] <DaSkreech> timster: Are you on dapper?
[05:54] <ubuntu_> timster: apt-get update firefox
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> timster: areyou on dapper?
[05:54] <timster> Im 6.06
[05:54] <anything> !resolution
[05:54] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:54] <genii> waylandbill Cool, yer da man :)
[05:54] <ubuntu_> timster: mozilla.com
[05:54] <bumzo> ubuntu: i've read http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10035/
[05:54] <vlt> Hello. Where does konqueror store the sites I once said "never store passwords for"?
[05:54] <bmgs> i can i upgrade my kubuntu to 7 ?
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> fuel: is it a i835?
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> fuel: or grater
[05:55] <fuel> nosrednaekim: no idea about that .
[05:55] <ubuntu_> vit: whereever your mom will find them
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> fuel: do a dmsg for it..
[05:55] <ubuntu_> nosrednaekim: you mean dmesg?
[05:56] <gentoofan23> yeah.
[05:56] <ubuntu_> gentoofan: gentoo sucks
[05:56] <timster> Komplie is rubish
[05:56] <bumzo> ubuntu: look at the log ... looks perfectly fine
[05:57] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, don't start aflame ...we already went thru this a day ago
[05:57] <bumzo> yet i still cant access the flash
[05:57] <mneisen> waylandbill: OK, bdiff seems to be the right tool, but how to apply these patches to big files? I guess that patch has the same (or similar) limitations as diff has?!
[05:57] <timster> !komplie
[05:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about komplie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <_Johny> Hello everyone. I've got a problem related to compiling. Would anyone be so nice to take a look on the log_
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: fuel: yeah "dmesg"
[05:57] <_Johny> ?
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> _Johny: pastebin it
[05:57] <waylandbill> heirloom may have a matching patch
[05:57] <bumzo> fuel: you still there
[05:57] <gentoofan23> gentoo  is great for advanced users....besides, you should be thankful I am helping out your ubuntu people.
[05:58] <timster> Can someone walk me through compiling a package
[05:58] <_Johny> nosrednaekim: here ---> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10036/
[05:58] <gentoofan23> I can.
[05:58] <gentoofan23> Now, first thing you do is unpack the source package.
[05:59] <gentoofan23> What is the name of your package: timster?
[05:59] <_Johny> !search compiling
[05:59] <timster> Ok
[05:59] <ubotu> Found: build-essential, gcc, b-e, make, build-essentials, compile, g++, compiling, build, compiler
[05:59] <gino> ciao
[05:59] <timster> Firefox 2.0.0.2
[05:59] <_Johny> !compile | timster
[05:59] <ubotu> timster: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:59] <timster> firefox-2.0.0.2.tar.gz
[06:00] <gentoofan23> ok, do this "tar xvzf firefox-2.0.0.2.tar.gz"
[06:00] <_Johny> timster: Isn't firefox in the repositories?
[06:00] <gentoofan23> Also, doesn't kubuntu have that version of firefox?
[06:00] <timster> Not 2
[06:00] <timster> Only 1.5
[06:00] <timster> Im on 6.06
[06:00] <gentoofan23> !firefox2
[06:00] <timster> and it only has 1.5
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <gentoofan23> Ok, that makes sense then.
[06:00] <keesercc> automatix on fiesty fawn Kubuntu?
[06:00] <timster> Ok, I have done that
[06:01] <bumzo> ubuntu: u there?
[06:01] <timster> cd firefox?
[06:01] <waylandbill> mneisen: I don't think you need to worry about patch. I'm pretty sure it'll just fseek to the appropriate places.
[06:01] <gentoofan23> yeah, "cd firefox
[06:02] <timster> Ok
[06:02] <mneisen> waylandbill: OK, will try to use bdiff. Thanks for your help!
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> timster: http://nsaunders.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/firefox-2-ubuntu-610/
[06:02] <gentoofan23> now do "./configure"
[06:03] <timster> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[06:03] <gentoofan23> Just a sec....
[06:04] <gentoofan23> I am unpacking firefox-2.0.0.1 and that tarball uncompresses into "mozilla/"
[06:05] <BluesKaj> timster , is the folder in another folder in your /home ?
[06:05] <timster> I have found an installl file
[06:05] <timster> Im gonna give it ago
[06:05] <gentoofan23> ok.
[06:05] <BluesKaj> if that's case get rid of the second folder . cut and paste it into home , then cd to the dir in the terminal
[06:06] <BluesKaj> this seems to happen a lot lately with some pkgs .../folders in folders in /home
[06:10] <julle> !quicktime
[06:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:11] <genii> waylandbill bdiff compiled OK on my dapper box. I renamed it bigdiff. Trying it on 2 dvd iso images
[06:12] <waylandbill> genii: nice! :-)
[06:13] <bumzo> fuse: i have made pregress
[06:13] <bumzo> progress*
[06:13] <bumzo> i have mounted the flash using ''sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1'' which worked
[06:13] <bumzo> but i cant write to it
[06:13] <bumzo> ubuntu : u there?
[06:13] <waylandbill> genii: watch the generated patch be as big as the iso itself. ;-)
[06:14] <DjDarkman> hy ,does compiz work with kde?
[06:14] <gentoofan23> DjDarkman, with KDE, you should use beryl
[06:14] <gentoofan23> !beryl
[06:14] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:14] <genii> waylandbill Likely :) Tho the 2 images are almost the same. 1 is a modified version of the other where I had to repair some vob files and such
[06:15] <jann> hi, i'm having problems to get firefox in spanish. i have one user where i use it in german and i want another one in spanish. i installed mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es via adept but it doesnt appear in spanish. when i turn off the german language pack it stays in english. any ideas?
[06:16] <jhutchins> jann: No clue really, but if you have to turn the german language pack off, I suspect you have to turn the spanish language pack on.
[06:16] <jann> jhutchins: its turned on
[06:17] <bmgs> i cant open automatix because i m running adept .. how can i stop it if i can see it
[06:17] <rlj> having problem with the kde media manager, where it mounts a cdrom (and other storage media) just after i close kde's popup, even if i hit cancel or select "do nothing" and hit ok. it hasn't behaved like that before and it's clearly wrong. anyone else with this behaviour?
[06:17] <jhutchins> jann: Could be you have to turn german off, revert to english, turn spanish on?
[06:18] <jhutchins> rlj: Have you set any particular device to auto-mount?
[06:18] <jann> jhutchins: when i turn all the language packs off, it comes in english, when i turn on the spanish one, still
[06:19] <jhutchins> jann: Any luck in #firefox then?
[06:19] <rlj> jhutchins: i haven't actively told anything to automount
[06:19] <jann> jhutchins: no, so far no response
[06:20] <rlj> jhutchins: before, it would give me the popup on any media insert and if i hit "open in a new window", konq would open and automount upon access. if i hit cancel however, it would remain unmounted. this is what i want. now, however, even if i hit cancel, kde goes ahead and mounts it anyway (and i can even see the mount process dialog for a second (when my cd drive spins up))
[06:20] <jann> jhutchins: its strange: it works with the german lp, but not with the spanish one
[06:21] <rlj> jhutchins: i have no idea when this behavior got introduced, but upon booting the edgy livecd, i can see that it is indeed not the default behaviour. there, if i hit cancel, it will not mount anything...
[06:23] <rlj> jhutchins: and i don't have ivman installed, so it can't get messed up by that either...
[06:24] <dromer> hi all, atm I'm trying to have dual-screen on my htpc with the composite-out of my Geforce2/MX. I used this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456&highlight=  and it works quite well, but is there another way to have the 2nd screen as an actual extension of the desktop? so I can move programs and maximise them etc?  this would be quit helpfull since I can hardly read any text and stuff on my tv
[06:26] <rlj> so does anyone know how to trace what process is actually calling hal (through kde's media manager i believe) to mount the external device?
[06:26] <rlj> tried dbus-monitor on the system bus but to no avail
[06:29] <fdoving> rlj: what do you want to know? mediamanager is a kded module, it is responsible for such things.
[06:30] <rlj> fdoving: i want to know why mediamanager (or something else through kde's interfaces) automounts everything i insert after i close the popup, even if i tell it "do nothing" or hit cancel in the dialog. (it should only mount if i do "open in new window" or similar)
[06:31] <c0nv1ct> rlj: that is asking you 'what to do' with the new mount, not whether or not to mount it
[06:31] <rlj> well, if i boot the kubuntu edgy livecd, it acts the way i expect
[06:31] <c0nv1ct> rlj: similar to what Windows does when it gets a CD inserted, it asks you what you want to do with this new CD
[06:32] <rlj> and also, i remember it acted like that before as well, at least when i still ran dapper. not sure about after my edgy upgrade
[06:32] <c0nv1ct> rlj: i'm not sure what you mean by acting as you expect while using the livecd
[06:32] <rlj> so when booting the edgy livecd, kde will NOT mount the medium if i hit cancel in the dialog
[06:33] <rlj> it will however mount it if i hit "open in new window" which calls up a konq on that path which will mount it upon trying to access the location
[06:33] <fdoving> that has changed, since dapper.
[06:33] <rlj> i know for certain it did not act like this before.
[06:33] <rlj> is there a way to disable that behaviour?
[06:34] <rlj> (but it might be as you say, the behaviour switch occured between dapper and edgy. i don't remember exactely when i noticed this behaviour happening)
[06:35] <waylandbill> rlj: the kcontrol center has options to disable that dialog
[06:35] <rlj> i think the popup is really nice because i can easily automount if i want to, but not if i don't for example if i want to repartition it. or the stupid usb key registers as multiple devices where only one is the interesting one.. things like that.
[06:35] <rlj> the problem is:
[06:36] <rlj> if i (for my cd drive for example) set "do nothing" as the default action in kcontrol
[06:36] <rlj> all that does is suppress the popup. then the cd gets automounted anyway, but without any dialog blocking the action first
[06:37] <sparrw> using CUPS configured through KDE, I need to figure out why my print jobs are not actually printing.  help?
[06:37] <genii> sparrw local or remote printer?
[06:38] <waylandbill> rlj: you probably need to add noauto to the fstab entry
[06:38] <rlj> waylandbill: i don't have any static fstab entries for my usb keys
[06:38] <rlj> waylandbill: i want kde not to automount when i explicitly tell it to "do nothing" through kcontrol... this clearly seems like buggy behaviour to me
[06:38] <waylandbill> rlj: I thought you were refering to cdrom drive.
[06:39] <sparrw> genii: remote
[06:39] <fdoving> rlj: i can confirm that devices strangely enought still mounts even if i toggle the 'right-click on device -> properties -> mounter -> automount checkbox'
[06:39] <rlj> waylandbill: same thing happens no matter what kind i configure in kcontrol for
[06:39] <waylandbill> sparrw: the ip address for the remote cups server is correct?
[06:39] <sparrw> waylandbill: local CUPS, remote printer
[06:39] <fyrmedic> How do I figure out what /dev file my GPS is attached to if it is in a USB port?
[06:40] <genii> sparrw More questions :) Is it connected directly to the network/lan or hosted on some print server computer/embedded device or over the internet somewhere?
[06:40] <waylandbill> spa
[06:40] <sparrw> genii: its connected directly to the LAN
[06:40] <space_ninja> Which dc clients does kubuntu have?
[06:40] <waylandbill> sparrw: then the remote printer then.
[06:40] <sparrw> waylandbill: yes
[06:41] <genii> sparrw Then I would suggest setting it up as a generic networked Postscript printer
[06:41] <sparrw> genii: i will try that
[06:42] <genii> sparrw There have been some other issues lately with IPP printers over CUPS as well. If generic postscript network printer doesn't work, change the print system to use lpd
[06:43] <rlj> fdoving: never checked that dialog, but yeah, that tickbox is not enabled on my system either
[06:44] <fdoving> rlj: it's not mounted until you close the popup, right?
[06:44] <JuJuBee> Is there a live cd for Feisty somewhere?  I read that the INTEL g965 express chipset has issues  with ubuntu 6.10 due to kernel version?
[06:44] <fdoving> rlj: when the box is unchecked. if you check it, it's mounted at once.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  thers livecd images on the feisty download page
[06:45] <rlj> fdoving: that's correct, kde only mounts once i close the popup dialog. (if i however in kcontrol tell it to have "do nothing" as default action, the dialog never appears and it mounts straight away nevertheless)
[06:45] <fdoving> JuJuBee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[06:45] <Daskreech> crimsun: ping
[06:45] <fdoving> rlj: ok. i'll have a look.
[06:45] <c0nv1ct> rlj: why do you want it not to mount?
[06:47] <sparrw> it works as generic postscript
[06:47] <sparrw> not as the actual printer model
[06:47] <sparrw> should i bug report?  if so, how can i get more info on the failing jobs
[06:47] <genii> sparrw OK, good :) This happens often
[06:48] <rlj> c0nv1ct: i'll give you some examples. 1) i have a usb key which registers as a "cd writer" and a "usb mass storage device". i don't want the "cd writer" to mount (which only contains some system stuff), as i want to be able to quickly right-click on the actual usb-key-mountpoint and do "safely remove". 2) same thing with my ipod really since i have a second ext2 partition on it as well. i don't usually want that to mount, so most of the time the vfat is all i'm
[06:48] <rlj> interested in. i want to be able to right-click on the vfat mountpoint and do "safely remove", not caring about the other partition
[06:48] <genii> sparrw No, no bug report is neccesary
[06:49] <c0nv1ct> rlj: i didnt think that 'safely remove' thing even worked
[06:49] <rlj> c0nv1ct: and with cd's, i only want them to mount if i actually open the window to browse it. otherwise, i want it to sit in my drive. with a dvd for example, you can play it fine in mplayer without having it mounted
[06:49] <rlj> c0nv1ct: has worked quite well for me
[06:49] <rlj> in either way, i don't like doing "eject /dev/sda" if i have sda1 and sda2 mounted...
[06:49] <genii> c0nv1ct: I imagine it's only an alias for "eject"
[06:50] <rlj> c0nv1ct: no, i think that context menu actually does some hal magic. but i'm not sure
[06:51] <rlj> fdoving: any ideas? if you have a spare kubuntu edgy livecd (and computer), try booting it and see how it reacts to a usb key there
[06:51] <rlj> genii: c0nv1ct: no, i think that context menu actually does some hal magic. but i'm not sure
[06:52] <bumzo> i need help here
[06:53] <bumzo> i can mount my flash but not write to it
[06:53] <bumzo> how do i fix that?
[06:53] <genii> I think maybe a sync routine in there
[06:53] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: you have to mount it with options
[06:53] <rlj> bumzo: what filesystem is on the flash?
[06:53] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: if its NTF, makesure you have ntfs-3g installed
[06:54] <nosrednaekim> *ntfs
[06:54] <genii> bumzo:  What options are you giving the mount command?
[06:54] <bumzo> I have ntfs intsalled
[06:54] <grego_> is it possible to use different icon set than default in gtk apps (under kde)? , tango for example
[06:54] <c0nv1ct> i doubt the flash drive is ntfs, i've only seen fat32 and fat16
[06:54] <bumzo> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 to mount
[06:54] <bumzo> no no .. the flash is FAT32
[06:54] <dromer> hi all, I'm trying Xinerama now for my dual-screen setup, though I;m not sure how to handle the composite-out and the tv connected in xorg.conf since the guide on ubuntuforums only explains a setup with two generic monitors
[06:54] <bumzo> genii: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:55] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: try sudo mount -o uid=1000 /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:55] <genii> bumzo perhaps use:  sudo mount -t vfat -o rw,user /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:55] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: can you write while being in root?
[06:55] <jean-benoit> !fr
[06:55] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:56] <edward_> wondering if anyone can help me with a problems reading dvd?
[06:56] <edward_> it plays jerky
[06:56] <edward_> I have i386 software running on amd 64 system
[06:56] <rlj> edward_: run "hdparm /dev/hdX" where hdX is your dvd drive and check that DMA is on
[06:58] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: sudo mount -o uid=1000 /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 for the FAT 32 cflash disk
[06:58] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: yes, or include -t vfat before the -o part
[06:58] <edward_> tried hdparm and says no such directory
[06:58] <bumzo> However .. i have an external usb 80GB HDD ntfs ... i can read it but not write...it mounts automatically
[06:58] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: i dont have to specify the type for mine, but it doesnt hurt to
[06:59] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: you shouldnt write to ntfs anyway
[06:59] <jhutchins_wk> !ntfs
[06:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:00] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: adding the uid=1000 option will make the owner of the files on there the first user your started with, if you use a different one, use that users UID instead
[07:01] <rlj> edward_: try "hdparm /dev/dvd"
[07:01] <rlj> edward_: and make sure "using_dma" says "1 (on)"
[07:02] <edward_> it says dma is on
[07:02] <nosrednaekim> edward_: do you have 3d acceleration?
[07:02] <edward_> hdparm /dev/dvd worked
[07:02] <nosrednaekim> maybe your video card can't handle it
[07:03] <edward_> was wondering if I should switch to amd64 kubuntu?
[07:03] <sparrw> i added the kpf applet to my panel, and set up a server with a folder, but i cant drop files from konqueror onto it.  whats up with that?
[07:03] <nosrednaekim> edward_: nah... that wouldn't improve anything
[07:04] <c0nv1ct> edward_: i wouldnt, unless you specifically need 64bit apps, or have a ton of RAM
[07:04] <edward_> i had amd64 loaded and it worked but didn't like the fact couldn't get macromedia work to download
[07:04] <edward_> that's why I went back to i386
[07:04] <jhutchins_wk> edward_: The 64b stuff is not as well developed as fewer developers can afford 64b machines to play with.  A lot of multimedia is hard to get as there are no w64codecs.
[07:04] <nosrednaekim> edward_: yeah... thats fine... do you have 3d acceleration?
[07:05] <c0nv1ct> edward_: 64bit is a hassle, its not worth it really
[07:05] <edward_> I'm using the onboard video
[07:05] <c0nv1ct> maybe in a year or 2, 64bit will be ready
[07:05] <nosrednaekim> c0nv1ct: I'm running it...but it sure wasn't easy
[07:06] <gioacchino> hello
[07:06] <nosrednaekim> I still don't have java
[07:06] <jhutchins_wk> The hard part is getting the propietary stuff reverse-engineered.
[07:06] <edward_> how can I check for which type of video I'm running
[07:06] <c0nv1ct> nosrednaekim: lol tell me about it... i spent a week on it, and just decided to reinstall to i386
[07:06] <jhutchins_wk> edward_: What do you mean?
[07:06] <c0nv1ct> nosrednaekim: i still have XP x64 and Vista x64 installed too... such BS
[07:06] <jhutchins_wk> edward_: Do you want to know the card or chipset, or what driver you're using.
[07:07] <edward_> Vista Suckssss!!!! LOL
[07:07] <genii> YamiTenshi: Please use the website http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ to paste the exact error. then report back the pastebin url
[07:07] <nosrednaekim> edward_: do "glxinfo"
[07:07] <c0nv1ct> Vista is ok, i like the volume tool
[07:07] <edward_> actually like to know if I have the proper driver installed for configuration
[07:07] <c0nv1ct> too much DRM madness though
[07:07] <nosrednaekim> and read the first three lines
[07:08] <jhutchins_wk> edward_: lspci should show you the chipset info.
[07:08] <nosrednaekim> c0nv1ct: I'm getting a free upgrade... we'll see how it goes
[07:08] <nosrednaekim> jhutchinsahh good call
[07:08] <genii> Sorry, wrong channel :) For #ubuntu
[07:08] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: so u mean to say i cannot mount the ntfs flash external HDD ??
[07:08] <c0nv1ct> nosrednaekim: hope you got signed drivers for everything :P
[07:08] <BluesKaj> Hmmm, just saw a fan promoting vista on tv, calling it 'cool' etc, but downplaying it's program compatability shortcomings
[07:08] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: you can mount it, but i wouldnt write to it
[07:08] <rlj> fdoving: i added a rule to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi where i set storage.automount_enabled_hint=false for my cd drive and restarted hald. kde-hal-device-manager confirms the change (it was true by default). still, kdemediamanager behaves just the same... :(
[07:08] <engelzz> hiho
[07:08] <lupul> can anyone help me pls with the usplash?
[07:09] <edward_> what info do you need from 1st three lines?
[07:09] <lorderunion> hi. i'm having trouble setting up dual monitors.
[07:09] <lupul> !usplash
[07:09] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[07:09] <engelzz> i have a little problem: i have a voodoo banshee but on kdm start it just restarts kdm infinity
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> c0nv1ct: it'll be 32 bit... no worry about that
[07:09] <c0nv1ct> Vista is pretty cool, its got some nice improvements, but i won't pay $400 bucks for Ultimate
[07:09] <JuJuBee> What version of the linnux kernel doed Feisty use?  Edgy?
[07:09] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: yes .... i meant have write acces.....coz it mounts sucessfully but i cant write to it ,.... how cum?
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> edward_: look at the line direct rendering.. does it say yes or no?
[07:09] <lorderunion> i've got an internal ati output on my motherboard, and an nvidia card.
[07:09] <Tm_T> JuJuBee: packages.ubuntu.com might help.
[07:09] <edward_> direct rendering says no
[07:09] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: writing to NTFS is considered experimental... it may work, but there is a risk of data loss
[07:10] <JuJuBee> Thanx
[07:10] <fdoving> rlj: i'm looking at mediamanager now.
[07:10] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: ok .. .i get it
[07:10] <sparrw> i have two kubuntu machines installed as edgy then migrated to feisty on slightly different timelines.  one has 'run command' kde shortcut as Alt+F2, the other Super+R.  whats up with that?
[07:11] <bumzo> c0nv1ct: one more problem.... it seems i have to keep on running that command whenever i plug in my usb flash disk. it does not auto mount
[07:11] <BayRoot> how to get FlashPlayer for AMD64??
[07:11] <rlj> fdoving: thank you
[07:11] <c0nv1ct> sparrw: you can change shortcuts if you want
[07:11] <nosrednaekim> edward_: do " lspci | grep VGA"
[07:11] <lorderunion> i'm having trouble setting up dual monitors with ati and nvidia. any help?
[07:11] <nosrednaekim> and make sure vga is capitalized
[07:12] <BluesKaj> darn, what's the trick again to get the browser to open fullpage ,FF was hijacked by a website that did something that changed the page size :(
[07:12] <hans> hi..I have a question.. I'm using ubuntu and I used to use red hat, now I'm trying to check the Known_host file unde .ssh but I dont find it
[07:12] <nosrednaekim> edward_: and paste that line here
[07:12] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: mine automounted the first time i put it in, but it didnt when i just tried a second ago... so i dunno
[07:12] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: but i am running vmware right now, that could be why
[07:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: f11?
[07:12] <sparrw> c0nv1ct: i know, but why are they different?
[07:13] <jhutchins_wk> hans: Perhaps you don't have one?
[07:13] <c0nv1ct> sparrw: its possible that one found your proper keyboard and decided to make use of the win key
[07:13] <c0nv1ct> sparrw: or maybe the different versions of KDE have different defaults
[07:13] <edward_> it says nvidia
[07:13] <gioacchino> anybody want to help me ??
[07:13] <edward_> vga compatible controller
[07:13] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, F11 just makes it fullsrcn
[07:13] <sparrw> c0nv1ct: plausible, im using a mac keyboard on the one using alt+f2
[07:14] <BluesKaj> i want the browser to open 'full page '
[07:14] <nosrednaekim> edward_: get the binary nvidia drivers then.
[07:14] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh...I c..
[07:14] <sparrw> c0nv1ct: speaking of...  is there any way to get the mac keyboard f14-f16 to behave like pc print/scroll/pause keys?
[07:14] <edward_> will the bin nvidia drivers take care of dvd problem?
[07:15] <edward_> how do I get the files
[07:15] <nosrednaekim> edward_: they probably will
[07:15] <nosrednaekim> edward_: they are in the repositories..
[07:15] <c0nv1ct> sparrw: not sure, go to System Settings and select Keyboard, then under Keyboard Shortcuts, you can change that stuf there
[07:15] <nosrednaekim> !nvidia | edward_
[07:15] <ubotu> edward_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <c0nv1ct> sparrw: i know there is a 'Mac Scheme' option
[07:17] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[07:17] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:17] <frojnd> if I wanna install java for firefox, than: udo apt-get install sun-java5-jre   and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin , but what if I wanna install java for opera??
[07:17] <dromer> ok, I'm really having some problems getting Xinerama/twinview w/e to work. I want to extend my desktop to a tv using the composite-out of my Geforce2, can anybody help me? :$
[07:18] <nosrednaekim> dromer: if noone here can help, try over at #ubuntu
[07:18] <dromer> nosrednaekim: yeah, thnx
[07:19] <_eMaX_> what is the easiest way to remove links to one /etc/init.d script from all /etc/rc*.d's there was a script yet I've forgotten
[07:20] <genii> frojnd: http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/#java
[07:20] <frojnd> genii: tnx
[07:20] <lahcen> hi guys,
[07:22] <lahcen> what should i do to upgrade from kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 without downloading the ISO
[07:22] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[07:22] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:23] <fdoving> lahcen: you can have a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[07:26] <genii> lahcen Minimal install iso for feisty is only about 8M
[07:27] <rlj> fdoving: i really have to leave now, but thanks for your time. i'll disable the mediamanager from kcontrol as a temporary workaround, but that takes away all popups and forces me to mount all cdroms from yakuake since they won't even show up in media:/ ... usb devices do show up in media:/ though so those work alright now. just without the popup...
[07:27] <lahcen> the problem with that is many other things will not be installed, and i just don't have the patience to install them one by one, the minimal install that is!
[07:28] <stamen> hi
[07:28] <stamen> please tell me how to load this module -> intel_rng
[07:29] <lahcen> for example, a couple of days ago, i did the upgrade and there was a bug, so I guess it didn't finish the upgrade
[07:29] <bill57785> ok, so I manually reformatted my compact flash card last night in an attempt to install the Palm OS on it for this lifedrive
[07:29] <fdoving> rlj: if i manage to fix it i'll make sure the fix is included in the next possible release.
[07:29] <bill57785> anyways, I dont think it worked, and now the CF card won't show up on linux....somebody told me I had to manually mount it then reformatted it
[07:29] <bill57785> how do I do this?
[07:29] <genii> lahcen I tried the recommended upgrade route/method fdoving just gave the link for to upgrade on my laptop but afterwards itwas pretty fubar and had to eventually resort to cd install
[07:30] <rlj> fdoving: in what package is the kde media manager?
[07:30] <fdoving> rlj: kdebase.
[07:30] <rlj> fdoving: thank you so much, i'll try and post a bug on launchpad as well
[07:30] <fdoving> rlj: please do.
[07:30] <rlj> fdoving: btw, is this because of kubuntu or upstream kde media manager?
[07:31] <stamen> it is located here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10064/
[07:31] <stamen> this is the problem
[07:31] <fdoving> rlj: i'm not sure. kubuntu patches kdebase pretty hard wrt. the media:/ behavior.
[07:31] <lahcen> genii: ouch, because if i do a cd install the wirelss adapter doesn't work
[07:31] <rlj> fdoving: oh, yeah i rememeber that..
[07:32] <stamen> but in the listed folder there is this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10065/, so how to fix it and to make it work
[07:32] <rlj> fdoving: in my opinion, i prefer the old media:/ behaviour. at least i know it acts differently because it's kio. whereas now, /media is somehow magical. but there are benefits as well... i hope the future holds a neater solution! (cause media:/ sure isn't neat either)
[07:32] <rlj> good night you all
[07:32] <fdoving> nite, and bye.
[07:33] <bumzo> c0nv1ct:wahts vmware abt?
[07:33] <rlj> btw, can i disconnect in konversation and still keep the history? i just want to disconnect, but /quit closes the tabs as well
[07:33] <bill57785> how can I manually mount this compact flash card?
[07:34] <bonbonthejon> bill57785: it didnt automatically mount?
[07:34] <bill57785> no
[07:34] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: what is vmware? its a virtual machine, it allows you to run different OS inside of your current one
[07:35] <bill57785> I partitioned it last night (its a long story) and now I need to repartition it
[07:35] <bill57785> but when I plug it in, it doesn't mount
[07:35] <genii> bill57785: What device again does it see it as?
[07:35] <genii> bill57785: Still struggling with the palmos I see
[07:35] <bill57785> the CHS values are really wierd for it (I partitioned it for a palm LifeDrive), so a lot of forums keep telling me I need to just delete all the partitions instead of mounting them
[07:36] <bill57785> yep ^_^
[07:38] <genii> bill57785: What /dev is the drive using?
[07:38] <edward_> anyone know how I can get real player to work?
[07:38] <keesercc> is this a good place to ge help with cups?
[07:39] <genii> keesercc: Good as any
[07:39] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: Shouldn't be mounted if you want to alter partitions.
[07:39] <bumzo>  c0nv1ct: how do i install it? sudo apt-get vmware?
[07:39] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: You mount partitions, not devices.
[07:39] <keesercc> ok, I was trying to determine if this is a problem or not:
[07:39] <keesercc> Unable to bind socket for address 0.0.0.0:631 - Address already in use.
[07:39] <bill57785> I guess I stated my problem wrong
[07:39] <bill57785> it doesn't even show up under media anymore
[07:39] <bill57785> nothing happens when I plug it in
[07:39] <keesercc> that is in my /var/log/cups/error_log
[07:39] <bill57785> its as though it weren't even there
[07:40] <c0nv1ct> bumzo: vmware workstation isnt free, you can read up on it at vmware.com
[07:40] <keesercc> there is also: Unable to bind socket for address :::631 - Address already in use
[07:40] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: tail -f /var/log/messages, then unplug it and plug it in.  You should see which device it becomes (probably /dev/sda).
[07:40] <genii> jhutchins_wk He followed the instructions here http://hackndev.com/node/196 for his palmos but of course now after the partition table edit, linux has some issues
[07:41] <bill57785> it's sda1
[07:41] <keesercc> and when I run: ps -A | grep cupsd, I get about 4 things that show up.  Is that normal?
[07:42] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: Probably should be using http://trac.hackndev.com/projects/palmld/wiki/ReinstallingPalmOS
[07:42] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: Have a look at that, see if it makes sense.
[07:42] <bill57785> lol
[07:42] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: Meanwhile, fdisk -l /dev/sda will show you the partitions.
[07:42] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: The _device_ is /dev/sda.  /dev/sda1 is the first partition on the device.
[07:43] <PhinnFort> how can I get verbose output from the configure script when installing a package?
[07:43] <bill57785> actually, I was using the wiki...and as genii can tell you, the wiki actually screwed up some of the commands that I was supposed to use
[07:43] <genii> jhutchins_wk That page has a typo in the part you cut/paste for the partition table edit. A $GT was accidentally transposed instead of being > so the edit doesn't take.
[07:43] <huib>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Smeets18
[07:43] <genii> &gt rather than $GT
[07:43] <keesercc> anyone with the cups problems?
[07:44] <PhinnFort> D?
[07:44] <keesercc> or questions
[07:44] <bill57785> ok, so how do I delete the sda1 partition?
[07:44] <PhinnFort> bill57785: "sudo cfdisk /dev/sda"
[07:45] <genii> bill57785: You gonna do it all over again ?
[07:45] <bill57785> might as well
[07:45] <bill57785> it will go faster this time because I have everything working properly
[07:45] <bill57785> ^_^
[07:45] <genii> bill57785: Use the link I gave above. I triple-checked it for typos.
[07:46] <frtmonster> hi, i installed the dvd library, xine, vlc, and mplayer, i have a laptop with a cdrom+dvd in one drive and i still can't get to see a fluent picture\sound this is the error i get in mplayer:  FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)
[07:47] <jhutchins_wk> genii: THat page says http://trac.hackndev.com/projects/palmld/wiki/ReinstallingPalmOS is more current.
[07:47] <jhutchins_wk> genii: Ah, I see about the typo.
[07:47] <jhutchins_wk> genii: So fix it - it's a wiki!
[07:48] <bill57785> well there really is no difference between the two, not that I can see
[07:48] <jhutchins_wk> k.
[07:48] <|dthacke|> are man pages for ntp and ntpd in a package?
[07:48] <genii> jhutchins_wk Yes, but go to the part where you are supposed to cut/paste out the command to replace the partition table and examine it. The command is a bad typo which crashes horribly because instead of a > it has a &gt in it
[07:49] <hole> i'm having trouble with wine this is what happens when i type  winecfg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10067/ after this i get nothing
[07:49] <jhutchins_wk> genii: So fix it.
[07:49] <genii> bill57785: Anyhow you could use either site but if you use the cut/paste from the wiki, replace the &gt with >
[07:50] <jhutchins_wk> frtmonster: Looks like wine doesn't like your video.  You running beryl or something?
[07:51] <genii> jhutchins_wk There seems no option there to edit the page. I tried yesterday
[07:51] <jhutchins_wk> frtmonster: Sorry. wrong nic.
[07:51] <jhutchins_wk> hole: Looks like wine doesn't like your video.  You running beryl or something?
[07:51] <hole> beryl?
[07:51] <jhutchins_wk> genii: Well, at least you tried.
[07:52] <frtmonster> jhutchins xubuntu :p
[07:52] <hole> i can try a different kernel i've got 3choices in grub
[07:52] <frtmonster> ok np
[07:53] <hole> jhutchkins_wk whats beryl
[07:54] <hole> no no beryl i'm gunna try a different kernel
[07:54] <jhutchins_wk> !beryl
[07:54] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> hole: kernel wont matter
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> hole: it looks like its complaining about missing GLX extensions
[07:54] <jhutchins_wk> hole: Yeah, maybe #wine
[07:55] <hole> how can i check to see if beryl is running
[07:55] <jhutchins_wk> c0nv1ct: 'cept wine ought to run fine without 'em.
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> hole: it isnt, you'd know if it is
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> jhutchins_wk: thats what i thought too
[07:55] <jhutchins_wk> c0nv1ct: You would have had to work hard at it.  Beryl's very alpha software.
[07:55] <hole> oh ok it'd look neat or something?
[07:55] <jhutchins_wk> hole: More likely it'd be broken.
[07:55] <keesercc> anyone feel like helping someone with CUPS?
[07:55] <hole> haha
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> jhutchins_wk: its a page fault error, like a memory problem, or I/O
[07:56] <jhutchins_wk> c0nv1ct: Which would happen if wine attempted to write to a GLX extension that wasn't loaded...
[07:56] <jhutchins_wk> !glx
[07:56] <genii> keesercc Are you are having a problem with some IPP configured printer under CUPS?
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <keesercc> genii not sure, I have 4 cupsd running (or so it seems when I run ps -A | grep cupsd)
[07:57] <keesercc> genii is that normal?
[07:58] <keesercc> and trying to connect to localhost:631 does nothing
[07:58] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: How many printers do you have?
[07:58] <keesercc> genii 1, if I can get it to work :)
[07:59] <genii> keesercc: I'm not sure about how many instances should be running.
[07:59] <genii> keesercc: It is a printer that is connected directly to your network?
[07:59] <genii> (or directly to the computer)
[07:59] <bill57785> how do I unlock a folder?
[08:00] <keesercc> genii in the var/log/cups/error_log I get Unable to bind socket for address :::631 - Address already in use.
[08:00] <keesercc> genii and it is connected directly to this computer, however I would eventually like to share it over my netowrk
[08:00] <genii> keesercc: Ah, you may have started all the instances by accident then
[08:00] <magical_bacon> im running ubntu 5.1 and want to change to the latest stable of kubuntu,whats the shell commands to do such a thing?
[08:01] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: You should only have one.
[08:01] <keesercc> I tried to kill them, it eliminated 1 of them, but three others will not go away
[08:01] <magical_bacon> kill -9?
[08:01] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: I would sudo killall cups, then sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd start, then see if you can connect.
[08:01] <genii> keesercc: Try   sudo /etc/init.d/cups stop     then do another ps and see if other instances are stillr unning
[08:01] <bill57785> because when I unshielded the cabinet files, they created folders that are locked, and I need into one of the folders
[08:01] <keesercc> ok, I will try that
[08:02] <jhutchins_wk> !upgrade | magical_bacon
[08:02] <ubotu> magical_bacon: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[08:02] <genii> Or what jhutchins said :)
[08:02] <jhutchins_wk> If killall doesn't work, you may be just as well off rebooting.
[08:02] <bill57785> hey genii, how do I unlock a folder that I don't have permission to access?
[08:03] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: sudo
[08:03] <genii> bill57785: You are unable to write/mount a folder on the drive?
[08:03] <keesercc> sudo killall cupsd
[08:03] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$ ps -A | grep cupsd
[08:03] <keesercc> 12171 ?        00:39:21 cupsd
[08:03] <keesercc> 12396 ?        00:39:04 cupsd
[08:03] <keesercc> 12555 ?        00:32:38 cupsd
[08:03] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$
[08:04] <bill57785> when I unshielded the cabinet files, they created folders that are locked, and I need into one of the folders
[08:04] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: kill -9 13171 12396 12555
[08:04] <genii> bill57785: You can mount the partition that contains it with option user, then anyone can use it
[08:04] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: sudo chown -R 1000:1000 <folder>
[08:04] <keesercc> sudo kill -9 13171 12396 12555
[08:04] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$ ps -A | grep cupsd
[08:04] <keesercc> 12171 ?        00:39:43 cupsd
[08:04] <keesercc> 12396 ?        00:39:24 cupsd <defunct>
[08:04] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$
[08:05] <keesercc> sudo kill -9 12171 12396 12555
[08:05] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$ ps -A | grep cupsd
[08:05] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$
[08:05] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: sudo kill -9 12171 12396 && ps ax | grep cupsd
[08:05] <keesercc> ok, they are ALL ded now
[08:05] <keesercc> dead
[08:05] <bill57785> thank you
[08:05] <jhutchins_wk> There ya go, takes a min sometimes.
[08:05] <genii> keesercc Basically kill -9 command for 12171 and 12396 as well
[08:05] <jhutchins_wk> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd start
[08:05] <dromer> hi all, I'm trying to config xinerama, but I had some problems, I got twinview to work, so I tried "combining" the device-settings, this is what I have now, but it still doesn't work: http://sneeuw.zapto.org/~dreamer/xorg.conf.xinerama
[08:06] <genii> LOL <-- too slow
[08:06] <keesercc> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd start
[08:06] <keesercc> sudo: /etc/init.d/cupsd: command not found
[08:06] <genii> keesercc try cupsys
[08:06] <keesercc> ok
[08:07] <keesercc> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[08:07] <keesercc>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                        [ ok ] 
[08:07] <keesercc> keesercc@keesercc-desktop:~$ ps -A | grep cupsd
[08:07] <keesercc> 13505 ?        00:00:00 cupsd
[08:07] <keesercc> BOOYAH!
[08:07] <jhutchins_wk> Woohoo!  Now try http://localhost:631
[08:07] <keesercc> I can at least access localhost:631 now!
[08:07] <jhutchins_wk> Cool.
[08:07] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: You may find this useful: http://tinyurl.com/3csnpd
[08:08] <chasta123> I am running live edgy cd
[08:08] <chasta123> how can I mount HDs _
[08:09] <chasta123> first, how can I see what are the name of HDs..
[08:09] <keesercc> will trying to configure CUPS through the web interface conflict with setting it up via KDE's system settings -> printers
[08:09] <keesercc> ?
[08:09] <jhutchins_wk> chasta123: Try fdisk -l
[08:09] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: No, they should both read/write the same files.
[08:09] <keesercc> ok, Thank you.  I appreciate all the help.
[08:10] <bill57785> this worked fine last night, and now it won't....grrrr
[08:10] <genii> keesercc You may have to close the kde printer config window and reopen it after to see the changes
[08:10] <jhutchins_wk> keesercc: Many of us have found that the KDE system settings didn't work, and niether did cups.  We fixed cups, and because everything was working we never checked to see if KDE was fixed too.
[08:10] <keesercc> makes sense
[08:10] <keesercc> I think I will stick to the web interface
[08:10] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: Where ya stuck at?
[08:11] <bill57785> "ls brahma-palmos.zip.?.pdb | sort | xargs -ti python unpdb.py {} - | dd skip=1 bs=32 > brahma-palmos.zip"
[08:11] <chasta123> ok, so I found /dev/hda2            1276       15016   110374582+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[08:11] <bill57785> it goes through and lists the files like it is supposed to, but then it never combines them into the single zip
[08:11] <jhutchins_wk> bill57785: Which is doing what?
[08:11] <jhutchins_wk> aj.
[08:12] <chasta123> but if I mount /dev/hda2/ /media/ it says:
[08:12] <bill57785> after it lists them, it says:
[08:12] <bill57785> 0+0 records in
[08:12] <bill57785> 0+0 records out
[08:12] <bill57785> 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.654894 seconds, 0.0 kB/s
[08:12] <chasta123> mount: special device /dev/hda2/ does not exist
[08:12] <chasta123>        (a path prefix is not a directory)
[08:12] <jhutchins_wk> chasta123: A subtlety:  /dev/hda2/ would be a directory.  You want /dev/hda2
[08:12] <chasta123> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/  ->mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:13] <chasta123> huh
[08:13] <jhutchins_wk> chasta123: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdat /media
[08:13] <jhutchins_wk> chasta123: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /media
[08:13] <chasta123> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[08:13] <chasta123>  missing codepage or other error
[08:14] <chasta123> ..
[08:14] <chasta123> I gues its NTFS
[08:15] <chasta123> any ideas
[08:15] <bill57785> I don't know if it is a problem in my command or what
[08:15] <bill57785> that exact same command worked perfectly last night
[08:15] <genii> bill57785: No, I just checked it, it's fine
[08:15] <bill57785> and even sudo doesn't make it work
[08:16] <bill57785> grrrr
[08:17] <genii> bill57785: I think it's not working because it was already done earlier
[08:17] <genii> bill57785: eg: the command completes successfully but there was nothing to alter
[08:18] <genii> because it feeds back to the same filename
[08:18] <bill57785> well I started from scratch in a new folder even
[08:18] <bill57785> and the zip file that is makes (it does make one) has like 0 megs
[08:18] <bill57785> and all of the checksums come up as a bunch of zeros
[08:19] <plhardy_> bill57785: what character will '?' replace ? isn't it something like after 9 there is 10 ?
[08:19] <genii> bill57785: Ah, yes, that is no good.
[08:19] <bill57785> the "?" is for letters a through j
[08:19] <plhardy_> ok then it is not the problem
[08:19] <bill57785> and it lists them out to me, but then it doesn't combine them
[08:19] <blekos> hi what does apt-get autoremove do?
[08:20] <jhutchins_wk> chasta123: If it's an extended partition, then it's a container partition for the following partitions.  Try mounting them instead.
[08:20] <genii> bill57785: You may want to remount the partition you are working on with options so: sudo mount -o rw,user /dev/yadda /media/place
[08:20] <genii> With proper dev and mountpoint o course
[08:20] <bill57785> well, I am working on the root partition
[08:21] <bill57785> so wouldn't that screw up linux?
[08:21] <jhutchins_wk> blekos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[08:21] <genii> bill57785: Ah, it is not the problemmatic drive then?
[08:21] <bill57785> nope
[08:21] <bill57785> lol
[08:21] <genii> bill57785: OK, my misconception
[08:21] <bill57785> I have to make the zip files first, then I can put it on the drive
[08:22] <genii> bill57785: Yeah looks like you need to get the original zip again. Because that command writes back over the one it is using as input
[08:23] <genii> Sorry, no.I am too tired to be reading code right now LOL
[08:24] <genii> It has sub extensions etc etc
[08:24] <genii> Original file larger than 0 bytes??
[08:27] <genii> bill57785: Anyhow, my cue to sleep, since I am getting bleary eyes from reading the screen
[08:27] <chasta123> ok I mounted
[08:28] <chasta123> but how can I set the acces rights
[08:28] <chasta123> sudo chmod +777 /media/hda1 _
[08:28] <genii> chasta instead you should mount with option user set
[08:29] <genii> But I digress. My bed is waiting
[08:29] <chasta123> I mounted like this: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media
[08:32] <ubuntu> Hello, I'm trying to install kubuntu but the installer (QTParted) can't find any devices. "maybe you're not root"
[08:32] <ubuntu> err. anyone know what to do?
[08:32] <mray> maybe "you are not root"
[08:33] <ubuntu> who's root then?
[08:33] <mray> make sure you have enough permissions to do what you wan t to do.
[08:33] <ubuntu> hah
[08:33] <ubuntu> but what's the pass I'm on the live thingie
[08:33] <mray> root=admin user with ALL rights.
[08:33] <chasta123> arh, someone alive_
[08:33] <chasta123> need to get to the partition..
[08:33] <mray> oh you just booted from the CD?
[08:33] <ubuntu> yea
[08:34] <chasta123> dont know how to set access rights..
[08:34] <mray> strange
[08:34] <ubuntu> could it be a sata thing?
[08:36] <premier_> hello, I hibernated linux and then accidentally rebooted it without the "resume=" kernel option, so it did not restore my hibernated state.  How can I reset my swap partition so that it will not ever boot that state, and so my computer will not get corrupted
[08:36] <premier_> ?
[08:37] <jhutchins_wk> premier_: If you hibernate again, it should overwrite the existing file.
[08:37] <premier_> I tried swapon -a, and usually it works, but today it said: swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118: Invalid argument
[08:38] <niles> hi gang
[08:40] <premier_> jhutchins_wk: the swap isnt loaded properly (probably because there is a corrupt hibernated state there) so I cant hibernate
[08:41] <premier_> jhutchins_wk: for future referrence, If I hibernate and my computer didnt have ACPI on, and then I restore with ACPI on, will I corrupt my computer?
[08:41] <premier_> I have trouble with ACPI and sometimes my computer wont boot, so sometimes I turn it off
[08:42] <one-force> 
[08:42] <premier_> rr?
[08:42] <LycanNyc-work> whats new in kde 3.5.6
[08:42] <premier_> LycanNyc-work: well, they fixed that bug where you always get the "big X" screensaver, even if you turn screensavers off
[08:43] <LycanNyc-work> premier_, hehe
[08:43] <jhutchins_wk> premier_: I really don't know.  I suppose you can re-create the swap partition if nothing else.
[08:43] <premier_> jhutchins_wk: are you freaking serious?
[08:43] <jhutchins_wk> premier_: No biggie.
[08:44] <miso> Newbie question, but how am I able to tell whether my kernel has USB-ACM-support?
[08:44] <jhutchins_wk> cfdisk, delete partition, re-create, it, mkswap, swapon.
[08:45] <LycanNyc-work> we need a new kde menu and stuff
[08:45] <LycanNyc-work> like Suse
[08:46] <nysosym> LycanNyc-work: i don't think so :D
[08:47] <premier_> I just can't wait until KDE4
[08:47] <chasta123> oh cmon how can I set the acces rights to /media/sda1   I am running via live cd
[08:48] <premier_> new panel system, plasma, new everything
[08:48] <brad_> hello
[08:48] <premier_> chasta123: the live CD might do that to protect you.  do you know the root password for the CD?  its usually something like "root" or "user" or "kubuntu" or "demo"
[08:49] <zancdar> bonjour
[08:49] <chasta123> premier: I downloaded edgy...
[08:49] <miso> hi - can anyone tell me how am I can tell whether my kernel has USB-ACM-support
[08:49] <premier_> konnichawa
[08:49] <chasta123> premier: how can I chmod this device
[08:50] <Skrot> miso: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep -i acm
[08:51] <AMSmith42> Somehow I got Adept Manager to open every time I boot into KDE. Not just in the background, but in it's window. How do I make it silent?
[08:51] <miso> Skrot: thanks. Reply is
[08:51] <miso> # CONFIG_FB_MACMODES is not set
[08:51] <miso> CONFIG_USB_ACM=m
[08:51] <HaSH> hello all im wondering how i can make the command cd .. into cd..(notice no space) anyone know how?
[08:51] <brad_> I've got a somewhat stupid question.  I just picked up a Vantec hard drive enclosure, popped in a drive and I can't seem to make it work.  I plugged it into my USB port and nothing at all is happening.  The USB port is good, or at least it works with my thumb drive.  Am I doing something wrong, or do I need to tweak something to get it to recognize an external HD?
[08:52] <Skrot> miso: Then you've got USB ACM built as a module. Try sudo modprobe cdc-acm
[08:52] <AMSmith42> Hash: Could you do an alias?
[08:52] <HaSH> AMSmith42, how might i go about setting one up?
[08:52] <AMSmith42> lol
[08:52] <adz_> I am having a few problems with ubuntu
[08:52] <AMSmith42> HaSH: I don't know.
[08:52] <miso> Skrot: thanks - no result on the modprobe
[08:52] <HaSH> AMSmith42, doe! ;-)
[08:53] <adz_> for some reason, it can't do any resolutions higher than 600x400
[08:53] <AMSmith42> hash: I was just tossing an idea out there.
[08:53] <AMSmith42> :P
[08:53] <Skrot> miso: lsmod | grep -i acm should tell you that cdc-asm is loaded :)
[08:53] <adz_> It worked before, but now it dosn't
[08:53] <adz_> does anybody know why this would happen
[08:53] <HaSH> its all good im sure ill figure it out
[08:54] <Skrot> adz_: Try grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if anything interesting shows up. Font-config stuff is not relevant.
[08:54] <magical_bacon> i used aptitude to switch from ubuntu to kubntu and now want to remove the ubunt desktop but its didsapeerred from aptuitude?wold apt-get -i ubuntu-desktop work?
[08:54] <AMSmith42> HaSH: alias cd..='cd ..'
[08:54] <miso> Skrot - thanks! Finally managed to get my Moto v3i working with moto4lin!
[08:55] <Skrot> miso: Nice =)
[08:55] <AMSmith42> HaSH: Of course, there is probably a way to make that happen everytime you open a console, but I can't help you there.
[08:56] <adz_> skrot: I type that in my console?
[08:56] <KidNabre> I'm having some trouble installing kubuntu, it can't find my hard drive, it's there in bios but it can't detect it. Anyone knows what to do? thx
[08:56] <Skrot> adz_: Yupp
[08:56] <magical_bacon> would that work?
[08:57] <Skrot> adz_: "grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log" without the "'s
[08:57] <niles> hi
[08:57] <niles> W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3FF0DB166A7476EA
[08:57] <Skrot> niles: wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[08:58] <magical_bacon> also after swihing to kubuntu my computer still says its running ubuntu under the help menu
[08:58] <magical_bacon> ill just play with apt-get and hope i dont break my compter for the seconf time today
[08:59] <niles> thanx
[09:03] <Daskreech> crimsun: ping
[09:06] <Raven301> What firewall do you guys use with kubuntu??
[09:07] <michael___> Raven301: fkirestarter
[09:07] <stdin> Raven301: iptables, what else :P
[09:07] <michael___> !kfirestarter
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kfirestarter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <Moltov> Ello, anyone good at getting grub to work right after having installed w2k to a partition(my other os, is kubuntu, of course.) I found instructions to make it "work again" but all it can see is kubuntu...
[09:07] <Moltov> And well, #grub is a deadzone.
[09:08] <Daskreech> !firewall
[09:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:08] <Raven301> thanks michael___ stdin Daskreech
[09:09] <michael___> Moltov: you must run grub-update
[09:10] <michael___> more precisely "sudo grub-update"
[09:10] <konoko> how can i use kde applications on gnome? Sorry im a newbie so i dont know and did not understand
[09:10] <stdin> konoko: yeah, sure
[09:10] <Daskreech> konoko: apt-get install them
[09:10] <Daskreech> Then just click on them
[09:10] <konoko> but are not them different platforms?
[09:10] <michael___> konoko: nope...
[09:11] <Daskreech> konoko: They use different libraries
[09:11] <Daskreech> They can co exist just fine
[09:11] <konoko> i c
[09:11] <stdin> konoko: they just use different ways to draw the graphics, they will work together tho
[09:11] <michael___> konoko: you can even run one on top of the other!!
[09:11] <Moltov> Michael: Ummm,... That doesnt do anything. It says command not found.
[09:11] <konoko> so not like different distros, ubuntu and kubuntu
[09:12] <michael___> did yuo put a sudo?
[09:12] <Moltov> Yes.
[09:12] <Moltov> And that wouldnt be the error if i didnt in the first place.
[09:12] <stdin> Moltov: try update-grub not grub-update
[09:12] <Chetwin> Hey all!  How do I change the kControl Center back to it's default view!??!
[09:12] <konoko> so is it possible to run kopete on gnome?
[09:12] <Moltov> stdin: MUCH better ^.^
[09:12] <michael___> stdin: thanks
[09:12] <michael___> konoko: yes
[09:13] <Chetwin> Anyone anyone
[09:13] <Chetwin> !kcontrol
[09:13] <ubotu> kcontrol: control center for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 2815 kB, installed size 9008 kB
[09:13] <stdin> konoko: anything you can install in adept, you can run
[09:13] <Chetwin> Anyone?
[09:14] <michael___> Chetwin: did you use to have it in Kubunut?
[09:14] <stdin> Chetwin: delete ~/.kde/share/config/kcontrolrc , that will reset it to default
[09:15] <eidos> _
[09:15] <Chetwin> stdin: thank you
[09:15] <Moltov> Michael/stdin/anyone helpfull: After having run sudo update-grub and rebooting, it still doesnt give me the option to boot w2k in the list
[09:15] <Chetwin> Agrivating
[09:16] <stdin> Moltov: is windows on the 1st partition on the disk?
[09:16] <Moltov> stdin: Sort-of...
[09:16] <stdin> Moltov: sort-of? how?
[09:17] <Moltov> stdin: Well, Disk wise its at the begining of the disk, is it the #1 partition in labeling, i dont know...
[09:17] <Moltov> stdin: ^.^ i think ill check
[09:18] <magical_bacon> kde andgnome are 2 seperate things, you an downloAD AND INSALL THE KDE-DESKTOP Package and then you can run it
[09:18] <stdin> Moltov: well, it needs to be on the 1st partition , or windows won't boot anyway
[09:19] <magical_bacon> im trying to get rid of ubuntu and switch to kubuntu ive installed the kubuntu-desktop package,but still have the gnome lok and feel,so i uninstaled the ubuntu-desktop package and my compter still acts like ubntu?
[09:19] <magical_bacon> do i need the uunt-standerd package for my kde desktop to work?
[09:19] <Moltov> stdin: Well, ^.^ Windows 2k+ anyway... come to think of it ive read bout it...
[09:19] <Chetwin> stdin: sorry, I couldn't find the file
[09:19] <Moltov> stdin: Mind aint quite awake ^.^'
[09:20] <stdin> magical_bacon: have you tried "sudo apt-get autoremove" and/or "sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop" ?
[09:20] <michael___> magical_bacon: you need to choose KDE in the sessions menu in the login manager
[09:20] <Chetwin> Looking to revert Kontrol Center's look back to default.  Any ideas?
[09:20] <magical_bacon> ahh
[09:20] <stdin> Chetwin: it will be a hidden directory ~/ means your home directory
[09:20] <Chetwin> Yes I know
[09:20] <Chetwin> kde/share/
[09:20] <Chetwin> there is kcontrolrc
[09:20] <Chetwin> I deleted that, it didn't work
[09:21] <michael___> Chetwin: aer you opening the control center right off the menu?
[09:21] <Silveira_Neto> Where can I find the version of my Kubuntu?
[09:21] <stdin> !version | Silveira_Neto
[09:21] <Chetwin> yes
[09:21] <Chetwin> kcontrol
[09:21] <ubotu> Silveira_Neto: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[09:21] <HaSH> AMSmith42, ahh k thanks ill do that for the mean time :-)
[09:21] <michael___> are you sure you aren't opening "control center"?
[09:22] <Silveira_Neto> ubotu: thanks! Worked!
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks! worked! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <stdin> Silveira_Neto: ubotu is a bot :)
[09:22] <stdin> !bot
[09:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:22] <michael___> Chetwin: alt+f2 and then type kcontrol
[09:23] <Silveira_Neto> thanks bot!
[09:23] <stdin> !botsnack
[09:23] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:23] <michael___> unless you WANT the old Kubuntu control center
[09:23] <Chetwin> That's why I need to change it back in the first place!!! My kde keyboard shortcuts don't work!
[09:23] <michael___> oh... right click on the desktop and click run command
[09:23] <Chetwin> And when I open kcontrol, I don't have the option for keyboard shortcuts because kubuntu removes the "complicated" things from view
[09:23] <michael___> right...
[09:24] <Chetwin> Very nice, thank you!
[09:24] <michael___> you're welcome
[09:24] <Moltov> stdin: So what exactly constitutes it being the first parition?...
[09:25] <stdin> Moltov: it being on the 1st primary partition
[09:25] <dromer> can someone please help me extend my desktop over my geforce2 svideo to a tv? :(  I've been trying twinview, but then I have just another desktop (I used this guide for that: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456), but I want to extend the main desktop so I can drag programs etc.
[09:25] <Moltov> stdin: As in refered to as hda1? or...?
[09:25] <stdin> Moltov: on linux, it's called /dev/hda1 (for the 1st primary partition of the 1st master drive)
[09:25] <Moltov> stdin: ^.^' i use gparted for such things nowadays, so that is indeed what it refers to it as.
[09:26] <dromer> someone told me to try xinerama, but this doesn't work at all
[09:26] <keesercc> ubotu CUPS
[09:26] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:26] <stdin> Moltov: so, it on the 1st partition then, good :)
[09:26] <Daskreech> !sound
[09:26] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:27] <Silveira_Neto> I broke all my apt-get and Adept, I have to confess that I modified the /etc/apt/source.list, where can I find an original source.list for Kubuntu 6.10? This would solve my problem?
[09:27] <stdin> Moltov: it's quite simple to add windows to grub if it's not detecting it
[09:27] <Moltov> stdin: Well, its not detecting it, and its on hda3 ^.^' which is probobly why.
[09:27] <stdin> Silveira_Neto: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list is a good one
[09:27] <keesercc> !CUPS
[09:27] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:27] <keesercc> !botsnack
[09:27] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:28] <stdin> Moltov: ahh, than you need to have it on hda1 ( I think, I don't have windows ), I think there is a way to "trick" it tho
[09:28] <dromer> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[09:28] <dromer> sorry
[09:28] <keesercc> !linux
[09:28] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:29] <dromer> hehe
[09:29] <Moltov> stdin: I think ive herd that too, though i also imagine theres a way to swap hda1(currently kubuntu) and hda3 around...
[09:29] <iamsam9895> Is 53 degrees celcius too hot for a processor?
[09:29] <Moltov> Hell no.
[09:29] <iamsam9895> Phew.
[09:29] <dromer> hehe
[09:29] <Moltov> Most semprons run idle in the 60s.
[09:29] <Moltov> Celci.
[09:29] <stdin> iamsam9895: that's cool for a cpu
[09:29] <iamsam9895> This is an athlon.
[09:30] <Moltov> Oh, well, thats about normal then.
[09:30] <iamsam9895> Wow, I don't even have my case fan on.
[09:30] <Moltov> Itll build up if you run it ragged without one.
[09:30] <iamsam9895> I left it on overnight.
[09:30] <iamsam9895> With no case fan
[09:30] <Moltov> Thats not running it ragged.
[09:30] <XenThraL> question, I wanted to install kompile from the adept package manager, but when I choose to do it, it says "BROKEN (install)"
[09:30] <iamsam9895> True.
[09:30] <XenThraL> so, I didn't install it
[09:31] <XenThraL> what does this mean?
[09:31] <Moltov> Running it ragged would be running it at near 100% preformance for a fair while.
[09:31] <ForgeAus> theres an unmet dependancy Xen
[09:31] <XenThraL> shouldn't it go fetch all of them automatically?
[09:31] <ForgeAus> you do have kdesu (the unmet dependancy, its part of Kubuntu's base install), but adept/kompile doesn't know that ...
[09:31] <ForgeAus> so you can't install it that way
[09:31] <Silveira_Neto>  I'm goingo to install kde4libs via aptget. He told me that he would remove theses packages: hwdb-client-kde kubuntu-desktop libqt4-core libqt4-dev libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support libqt4-sql pyqt4-dev-tools python-qt4 qt4-designer qt4-dev-tools qt4-qtconfig speedcrunch. Is this safe? Mostly are packages that I installed after installed Kubuntu.
[09:32] <ForgeAus> well you could I guess if you can get the .deb you might be able to extract the binaries from it and put them in the right place ... unless its a source package
[09:32] <niles> whats the difference between beryl and glx ?
[09:32] <XenThraL> ForgeAus: I'll try that then
[09:32] <XenThraL> thank you
[09:32] <ForgeAus> Beryl is a windowsmanager/3D desktop environment
[09:32] <niles> err i mean xgl
[09:32] <ForgeAus> glx is the framework it runs on
[09:32] <dromer> !xgl
[09:32] <ForgeAus> or one of them
[09:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:33] <niles> ahh thanx fellaz
[09:33] <ForgeAus> Compiz is analogous to Beryl in that little explaination there
[09:33] <ForgeAus> also if your running Beryl for KDE you probably want Aquamarine (to keep your window decorators)
[09:34] <stdin> Moltov: 1st, I'd try just to boot it normally, by adding this to your /boot/grub/menu.lst http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/14
[09:36] <Moltov> stdin: Altering it for the correct partition for the 2k install, i assume
[09:37] <stdin> Moltov: if it's hda3, then you want (hd0,4)
[09:37] <niles> so what is a composite manager?  sorry my terminology is shady. im asuming beryl cant run with out xgl ?
[09:37] <Moltov> stdin: Mmm, realy...
[09:37] <Moltov> stdin: Thats a bit odd numbering, but ok
[09:37] <stdin> Moltov: grub starts at 0, so hda1 is hd0,0
[09:37] <niles> oh it's analoguous
[09:38] <Moltov> stdin: wouldnt that make it hd0,2 then? by logical progression?
[09:38] <stdin> Moltov: yeah, :P it would
[09:38] <Moltov> stdin: ^.^'
[09:38] <stdin> Moltov: it's getting late here
[09:38] <stdin> Moltov: hda3 = hd0,2
[09:39] <Moltov> stdin: Thats ok, i havent truethuflly slept in about two days... half slept sorta... yes... but lol
[09:39] <wildchild> how do I check where is something mounted_
[09:39] <wildchild> partitions..
[09:39] <stdin> wildchild: type "mount"
[09:39] <niles> mount command
[09:39] <Silveira_Neto>  I'm goingo to install kde4libs via aptget. He told me that he would remove theses packages: hwdb-client-kde kubuntu-desktop libqt4-core libqt4-dev libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support libqt4-sql pyqt4-dev-tools python-qt4 qt4-designer qt4-dev-tools qt4-qtconfig speedcrunch. Is this safe? Mostly are packages that I installed after installed Kubuntu.
[09:39] <bpettert> hello
[09:40] <bpettert> how do i config grub?
[09:40] <wildchild> so I gave mounted /dev/hda1 on /media type ntfs (rw)
[09:40] <wildchild> how can I set the rigths to acces this poin??
[09:40] <wildchild> point
[09:40] <bpettert> how do i config grub?
[09:40] <stdin> Silveira_Neto: I wouldn't reccommend that, a lot of that looks like it's to do with Qt, which is essential to KDE
[09:40] <wildchild> chmod 777 /media  ??
[09:40] <keesercc> bpettert /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:41] <bpettert> thenks
[09:41] <stdin> wildchild: you'll want a umask, in the mount settings
[09:41] <keesercc> bpettert: you are welcom
[09:41] <stdin> wildchild: and you don't want to mount it at /media
[09:41] <wildchild> stdin: I mounted it to /media
[09:41] <muxman> hola a todos
[09:42] <wildchild> stdin whre else can I mount it
[09:43] <stdin> wildchild: somewhere in /media (like /media/windows) or to another directory (like /windows). /media is used to mount other things to as well, like CDs and removeable media
[09:43] <Moltov> stdin: Well, here we go...
[09:43] <stdin> wildchild: which won't work if you have something mounted over /media
[09:44] <stdin> Moltov: hope it works
[09:44] <sparrw> how can i find out the filename for a kde panel applet?
[09:44] <Moltov> stdin: Error 8: Kernal must be loaded before booting.
[09:44] <wildchild> stdin: sudo mount /dev/hda1/ /media/win        mount: mount point /media/win does not exist
[09:45] <stdin> wildchild: you have to make the directory first (sudo mkdir /media/win)
[09:45] <ozzcomet> hello. i've just installed kubuntu 6.06 x86_64. because 6.10 is the latest version, adept made it easy for me and upgraded my soft. before that i've managed to install the nvidia drivers and even rendered some blender scenes. after the upgrade and after a reboot the x-server refused to start invoking "fatal error: no screens found". i've tried to revert the xorg.conf setting to the original ones and so i managed to start the x server but without
[09:45] <ozzcomet> any nvidia support. can anyone help me with this issue? thank you!
[09:46] <stdin> Moltov: give this one a go then http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/15
[09:46] <wildchild> stdin: sudo mount /dev/hda1/ /media/win
[09:46] <wildchild> mount: special device /dev/hda1/ does not exist
[09:46] <wildchild>        (a path prefix is not a directory)
[09:47] <stdin> wildchild: you put a '/' after hda1, don't, mount it like this (copy and paste if you want): sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/win
[09:47] <Moltov> stdin: *chuckles* okay, just waiting for kubuntu to boot up again then ^.^ p3-800 aint got much of a punch
[09:48] <stdin> wildchild: if you want write access (and have ntfs-3g installed) sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/win -t ntfs-3g -o umask=0000
[09:50] <niles> so it is either a choice between xgl or beryl. correct?
[09:50] <niles> neither is a prerequisite for the other, right?
[09:51] <Moltov> stdin: Same exact error.
[09:51] <stdin> Moltov: hmm
[09:51] <stdin> Moltov: can you post the menu.lst file to pastebin please?
[09:52] <john> how come the file dialog never shows all of the root ?  all i see is home and media .... why is that ?
[09:52] <stdin> !hidden | john
[09:52] <ubotu> john: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[09:52] <jhutchins> niles: I believe that beryl requires xgl of some sort.
[09:52] <john> klolololol,l
[09:52] <john> why are you removing it ?
[09:52] <john> its sorta a good idea for regular users....
[09:52] <Moltov> stdin: That would be wonderfull... If the computer i was doing all the fiddling on was online.
[09:52] <stdin> john: because people hated it :P
[09:52] <jhutchins> niles: beryl is a window manager, xgl a graphics support layer.
[09:53] <john> but seriosly right now im trying to install appollon its asking me where giFT is located and it wiont even let me type in the full path ffs
[09:53] <Moltov> stdin: Infortunately, it HATES my only spare wireless card... And well, lets leave that at that.
[09:53] <stdin> Moltov: ahh, ok then :P
[09:53] <Moltov> stdin: but. i can transpose that which isnt commented out fairly easy... though i cant gerentee perfect spelling across
[09:54] <john> an d where is the home icon lol ?
[09:56] <musashiden> Hello everyone
[09:56] <firemonkeyballz> umm I cant get the upgrade tool to run
[09:56] <musashiden> I was wondering if anyone could redirect me to the wiki page that explains how to add harddrives to kubuntu
[09:57] <musashiden> or maybe a program?
[09:57] <firemonkeyballz> I have the gnome packages installed for it
[09:57] <firemonkeyballz> and the program runs
[09:57] <firemonkeyballz> however
[09:57] <firemonkeyballz> it quits after it downloads
[09:58] <hyper_ch> musashiden: you added a new harddrive/partition to your computer?
[09:58] <musashiden> yes hyper
[09:58] <musashiden> a new harddrive
[09:58] <jhutchins> firemonkeyballz: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update
[09:58] <hyper_ch> musashiden: is it formatted already?
[09:58] <firemonkeyballz> Ive heard thats not recomended
[09:59] <hyper_ch> jhutchins: you mean ... && sudo apt-get upgrade :)
[09:59] <musashiden> hyper_ch: yes it is formated, it has my windows installation in it. i just want to retrieve my files from it
[09:59] <stdin> Moltov: just reading some grub manuals, give this a go http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/17
[09:59] <jhutchins> hyper_ch: Woops.  Cat on keyboard, sorry.
[09:59] <hyper_ch> musashiden: ok, open a shell terminal and enter the following command. Put the output then into a pastebin:    sudo fdisk -l
[09:59] <jhutchins> (actually, cat between me and screen)
[09:59] <jhutchins> firemonkeyballz: We just recommended it to you, so I don't know where you heard that.
[09:59] <hyper_ch> jhutchins: hehehe :)
[10:00] <john> how do i get a shortcut to the home drive ?
[10:00] <jhutchins> john: Where?
[10:00] <jhutchins> john: What part of the drive?
[10:00] <hyper_ch> firemonkeyballz: instead of sudo apt-get upgrade I would use   sudo aptitude upgrade --> aptitude also installed the recommended additional packages with it... apt-get doesn't :)
[10:00] <firemonkeyballz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[10:01] <Moltov> stdin: WHEWH here it is... http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/18
[10:01] <musashiden> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10088/
[10:01] <john> jhutchins:  the little home icon......
[10:01] <Moltov> stdin: That, took bloody forever.
[10:02] <khirr> how can i change my kde theme?
[10:02] <jhutchins> Ah.  Right click desktop, create link to ~/ .
[10:02] <hyper_ch> jhutchins: that's for up0grading from dapper 6.06 to edgy 6.10
[10:02] <stdin> !changethemes
[10:02] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[10:02] <jhutchins> john: Ah.  Right click desktop, create link to ~/ .
[10:02] <stdin> khirr: ^^
[10:02] <hyper_ch> musashiden: you know how to open (as root) a file?
[10:02] <khirr> ?
[10:02] <khirr> !changetheme
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changetheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <jhutchins> hyper_ch: you're thinking dist-upgrade.
[10:02] <musashiden> hyper_ch: yes, i do
[10:02] <khirr> !changethemes
[10:02] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[10:03] <hyper_ch> jhutchins: don't dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy... it's not working good... better to make a clean install
[10:03] <stdin> Moltov: looks ok, give my (revised) version a go
[10:03] <khirr> what's the diference between dapper and edgy?
[10:03] <Moltov> stdin: Ive tried it as it currently is...
[10:03] <hyper_ch> musashiden: ok, then open fstab -->   sudo nano /etc/fstab
[10:04] <Moltov> stdin: it gave the same exact error.
[10:04] <jhutchins> hyper_ch: Clean installs are always preferred, but the upgrade worked fine for many.
[10:04] <stdin> Moltov: this one http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/17 ?
[10:04] <hyper_ch> jhutchins: the upgrade didn't work fine for a lot of people also :)
[10:04] <musashiden> hyper_ch: done
[10:04] <crimsun> Daskreech: pong
[10:04] <gemidjy> hi..how can I rebuild the KMenu with default Kubuntu settings ?
[10:04] <Moltov> stdin: No.... you never tossed that one at me i could see, gimme a sec lol
[10:05] <Daskreech> crimsun: Was trying to get my sound sorted
[10:05] <ltpitt> hello there =)
[10:05] <hyper_ch> musashiden: add this line:    /dev/sda1 /media/sda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[10:05] <crimsun> Daskreech: I don't have time atm, very busy. Check back in 90 minutes.
[10:05] <stdin> Moltov: yeah I did: [20:59]  <stdin> Moltov: just reading some grub manuals, give this a go http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/17 :P
[10:05] <Daskreech> crimsun: Will do
[10:05] <ltpitt> anybody is able to give me a hand for wine installation? :)
[10:05] <hyper_ch> musashiden: then save and exit fstab
[10:05] <musashiden> hyper_ch: okay, but shouldn't i first create the /media/sda1 folder?
[10:05] <c0nv1ct> anyone here compiled a custom kernel in edgy?
[10:06] <hyper_ch> musashiden: no, we can do that afterwards :) it will not automatically be added :) you'll need to reboot and then it will be mounted as read-only...
[10:06] <hyper_ch> musashiden: but before rebot we create the folder :)
[10:06] <Moltov> stdin: Shoudnt all those 3s be 2s? or?
[10:06] <musashiden> read only?
[10:06] <musashiden> hyper_ch: what if i want to write to it?
[10:06] <hyper_ch> musashiden: ntfs is not recommended to write to... if you want that you will need the ntfs-3g drivers
[10:06] <stdin> Moltov: yeah, sorry, I copy & pasted most of that :P
[10:07] <hyper_ch> musashiden: and then you need to alter that entry... but I've never done that.... and I never will
[10:07] <musashiden> hyper_ch: i see
[10:07] <hyper_ch> musashiden: for sharing between you can install the ext3 drivers in windows (that's safe) or use fat32 as transitory drive
[10:07] <gemidjy> how can I rebuild the KMenu with default Kubuntu settings ?
[10:07] <hyper_ch> (however fat32 has no journaling and supports no files bigger than 2gb)
[10:08] <ltpitt> anybody is able to give me a hand for wine installation? :) I've tried with information from wine hq (I have kubuntu) but no luck... BTW I can't find it in synaptic :/
[10:08] <hyper_ch> musashiden: you said you wanted to copy over fromt he ntfs drive :) hence ro access is enough... for everything else you'll have to look up google for ntfs-3g
[10:08] <firemonkeyballz> ok I got a public key error
[10:08] <musashiden> hyper_ch: okay, let me reboot. thanks for the help
[10:08] <Moltov> stdin: Same, error 8, again.
[10:08] <hyper_ch> musashiden: did you create the dir?
[10:08] <hyper_ch> musashiden: you need to do that before reboot
[10:08] <musashiden> hyper_ch: yes
[10:08] <hyper_ch> musashiden: good :)
[10:09] <zorglu_> q. is there a tool to easily convert the format of a video ?
[10:09] <stdin> Moltov: I have no clue then, you may have to "move" the partitions about
[10:09] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: converting formats is not recommended
[10:09] <stdin> hyper_ch: why not?
[10:09] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: well i would like to do it. is there any tool for it ?
[10:09] <Moltov> stdin: Im perfectly willing to alter the partitions, i couldnt find the command in gparted, kubuntu have something akin?
[10:10] <xerosis> zorglu_: check 'man mplayer'
[10:10] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: don't know about a tool... because normally the formats are compressed and you will loose quality when you convert into another non-lossless format
[10:10] <zorglu_> xerosis: this is hardly a 'easy tool'
[10:10] <Moltov> Stdin: And gparteds website terrifys me more than M$s database
[10:10] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: "easy" is a very wide term
[10:10] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: ok, this is exactly what i want :) to loose quality :)
[10:10] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: then go ahead :)
 I have a public key error
[10:11] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: well so is there any tool to do it easily  ?
[10:11] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: don't know :)
[10:11] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: hehe :)
[10:11] <stdin> Moltov: well the Kubuntu disk uses Qtparted, which is mostly the same, but a KDE version, but Gparted is more stable and if you are messing with partitions, you want stable
[10:11] <hyper_ch> firemonkeyballz: I wouldn't upgrade from dapper to edgy... I've never done it and hence I don't know what's wrong there :)
[10:12] <firemonkeyballz> !upgrade
[10:12] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:12] <Moltov> Moltov: haha, hear you there, used to use partionmagic
[10:12] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: I just did a general anotation to quality-loss... you know, a lot of people want to convert mp3s to their ipod... and they'll loose quality without knowing :) I thought you might be such a case
[10:12] <Moltov> er
[10:12] <niles> how can i tell if i have a particular package currently installed?
[10:12] <Moltov> >.<
[10:12] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: no problem :)
[10:13] <hyper_ch> niles: sudo apt-get install PACKAGE
[10:13] <stdin> Moltov: in Gparted, you want "resize/move" from the "Partition" menu
[10:13] <Moltov> Stdin: I seem to be talking to myself again there... lol
[10:13] <hyper_ch> niles: it tells you if it's up-to-date or current
[10:13] <Moltov> stdin: I tried that, it didnt seem to have any option for actualy moving it
[10:13] <Moltov> stdin: resizing it twelve different ways to sunday... but...
[10:13] <niles> oh right
[10:13] <niles> of course
[10:13] <niles> darrr
[10:14] <hyper_ch> niles: that's the only way I know how to check it... but there are also other methods, I'm certain of it... :)
[10:15] <hyper_ch> 49 packages to upgrade :)
[10:15] <stdin> Moltov: yeah, I can't find it either
[10:15] <Moltov> stdin: Im in gparted... I have no clue how to do that from here... but im in it...
[10:16] <stdin> Moltov: if you have partition magic, you may want to dust off that disk
[10:16] <john> how  come teh gift library only has 2 of the supported protocols ?
[10:16] <Moltov> stdin: Sadly, the versions so old it doenst handle nfts well.
[10:16] <Moltov> stdin: No clue what it would think of ext3
[10:16] <Fogge> Ok, just got an interesting error in Konversation
[10:17] <Fogge> The nickname and text of the person im chatting with in query is black (on my black background), how do i fix that?
[10:17] <stdin> Moltov: I bet it would be fine with ext3, it's open source, anyone can take the code for it
[10:18] <Moltov> Stdin: Yes yes... But does it know ext3 EXISTS... is the better question....
[10:18] <Moltov> Stdin: That said, i have no clue where that disk is ^.^' so... *does some searching of gparteds stuf*
[10:18] <stdin> Moltov: yeah, it's been around for a long time, a very long time
[10:20] <stdin> Moltov: I'd say to try asking on #ubuntu , as it's not Kubuntu specific, it's more low level
[10:21] <hyper_ch> stdin: well, it's not ubuntu specific either what moltov is asking
[10:22] <stdin> hyper_ch: but there may be people in #ubuntu that know more about it than me
[10:22] <hyper_ch> stdin: ah :)
[10:23] <Moltov> Stdin: Yeah, at this point i was thinkin that myself, so ciao for now
[10:23] <stdin> good luck Moltov
[10:23] <yannick> salut les nerds
[10:23] <hyper_ch> !fr | yannick
[10:23] <ubotu> yannick: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:26] <Aiwuu> can i have a printer in kubuntu?
[10:26] <hyper_ch> Aiwuu: yes you can
[10:26] <Morbo> Huh?
[10:27] <Aiwuu> hyper_ch how.O
[10:27] <Aiwuu> i need a driver or waht?
[10:27] <hyper_ch> Aiwuu: depends on your printer
[10:27] <zorglu_> !printer | Aiwuu
[10:27] <ubotu> Aiwuu: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[10:27] <zorglu_> this may help
[10:27] <Aiwuu> may a HP LaserJet?
[10:27] <Morbo> HPs should be fine
[10:28] <Morbo> Mine worked out-of-the-box
[10:28] <Morbo> "Works here" isn't the best argument/thing to say
[10:28] <hyper_ch> Aiwuu: was it connected when you installed kubuntu?
[10:28] <Aiwuu> no
[10:29] <Aiwuu> :S
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Aiwuu: have a look at those pages above..
[10:29] <Aiwuu> ok
[10:35] <hole> what is the console command to resolve a www.website.com address to an ip
[10:35] <hole> is there one?
[10:36] <konoko> hello
[10:36] <konoko> i couldnt find kopete for ubuntu
[10:36] <hyper_ch> hole: ping website.com
[10:36] <hole> okthx
[10:36] <konoko> is there a package that'd avoid me using source code?
[10:37] <Fogge> Is there a way to edit/hide my hostmask in Konversation?
[10:37] <alexander__> hello
[10:37] <eilker> sudo apt get install kubuntu-desktop // is it correct ?
[10:37] <eilker> and enough ?
[10:37] <konoko> is there a package of Kopete for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[10:37] <alexander__> is there any good msn client for edgy?
[10:38] <hyper_ch> eilker:   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop   but I'd rather use:   sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:38] <eilker> !kopete
[10:38] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[10:38] <stdin> konoko: you can install the package "host" too, so you can do "host example.com" to get an IP, or "host ip" to get a domain
[10:38] <hyper_ch> alexander__: aMSN
[10:38] <eilker> !amsn
[10:38] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[10:38] <eilker> !gaim
[10:38] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[10:38] <eilker> hyper_ch: thanx
[10:38] <konoko> stdin: __?
[10:38] <alexander__> thanx
[10:38] <stdin> konoko: wrong person :P
[10:39] <konoko> :P
[10:39] <konoko> i tried a lot but could not find a package for kopete :(
[10:39] <hyper_ch> konoko: sudo apt-get install kopete
[10:39] <stdin> konoko: check your sources if that fails
[10:40] <john> ok i installed wine and i now i have a right click menu that says that i can run the program with the wine emulation... .great but i want it to work with all exe's just by clicking.... why doesn't it do this by default ?
[10:40] <konoko> it says
[10:40] <konoko> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:40] <konoko> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:40] <stdin> konoko: close adept, if you have it open
[10:41] <konoko> im running automatix2?
[10:41] <stdin> konoko: ahhh, close that damn thing
[10:41] <stdin> close it, then delete it, then forget it
[10:41] <konoko> stdin: damn? is not it something good?
[10:41] <konoko> o_O
[10:42] <stdin> !automatix
[10:42] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:42] <konoko> im a newbie
[10:42] <konoko> ouccch
[10:42] <konoko> ooooooucccch
[10:42] <konoko> damn forums
[10:42] <konoko> i did not know that
[10:42] <stdin> it's a nice idea for an app, but it's far to dangerous to use
[10:43] <konoko> i've installed several programs with automatix in the last hour
[10:43] <konoko> seems nice but
[10:44] <konoko> may there be a problem after a restart etc?
[10:44] <beig1> hi, i'm using kubuntu 6.10 .. how can i change the symbol from a link on the desktop ? i havent found anything in the properties from the link :(((
[10:44] <stdin> konoko: stop while you have a working system
[10:44] <konoko> beig1: click on the no icon thing
[10:44] <konoko> stdin: its downloading cliparts for openoffice
[10:44] <konoko> can i cut it off now?
[10:44] <bonbonthejon> beig1: right click, properties, then click on the icon on the window that pops up
[10:44] <stdin> beig1: open the properties, and click the icon
[10:44] <konoko> or would waiting to finish be better?
[10:45] <stdin> konoko: let it finish that, don't want to mess things up by killing it
[10:45] <beig1> omg .. i feel ashame :x
[10:45] <konoko> ^^
[10:47] <konoko> its interesting
[10:47] <konoko> i stayed for a half hour without identifying my nickname
[10:47] <konoko> freenode lets it
[10:47] <konoko> *hmm
[10:47] <bonbonthejon> konoko: have you looked at all the software in adept?
[10:48] <konoko> bonbonthejon: What is adept? im newbie
[10:48] <bonbonthejon> !adept | konoko
[10:48] <ubotu> konoko: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:48] <konoko> ah
[10:48] <konoko> i looked at there, i couldnt find
[10:49] <stdin> I bet automatix has mess with your sources
[10:49] <konoko> :(
[10:49] <bonbonthejon> stdin: more than likely
[10:50] <eilker> !xgl
[10:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> konoko: are you using dapper or edgy?
[10:51] <konoko> bonbonthejon: edgy
[10:51] <bonbonthejon> konoko: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[10:51] <konoko> 32bit
[10:52] <bonbonthejon> konoko: here is a good sources.list for you, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10095/
[10:53] <konoko> sooo slowwwww 0_o
[10:53] <konoko> automatix S:
[10:53] <konoko> bonbonthejon: thanks a lot ^^
[10:53] <bmgs> what packages do i need to install to have kde headers ?
[10:54] <konoko> bonbonthejon: how can i use these sources?
[10:55] <stdin> bmgs: just install kde-devel, should give you all the KDE stuff
[10:55] <bmgs> thx
[10:55] <bonbonthejon> konoko: when automatix is done, hit alt-f2, type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list", get rid of what is in the file, and paste in the stuff I sent you, save, open konsole, then run "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade"
[10:56] <Silveira_Neto> bmgs: Wooow! I'm tring to do the same thing for 4 hour... Good luck. Lets help each other ok. :-)
[10:56] <firemonkeyballz> x64 flash if any of you are interested here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290785
[10:57] <stdin> firemonkeyballz: there is a guide on the help pages too
[10:57] <konoko> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list did not work
[10:57] <stdin> !flash64
[10:57] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[10:57] <bmgs> i got it
[10:57] <konoko> alt+f2 could not find it :(
[10:57] <stdin> konoko: press those keys
[10:57] <konoko> i did and pasted kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in the bar
[10:57] <konoko> it could not find it
[10:58] <bmgs> Silveira_Neto from where r u ?
[10:58] <firemonkeyballz> well umm heres a thought if I edit my source list with servers that have a freaking key
[10:58] <firemonkeyballz> that are good sources
[10:58] <konoko> bonbonthejon: Could not open location 'file:///kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:58] <firemonkeyballz> I might just be able to use edgy
[10:58] <firemonkeyballz> konoko doood dont open it that way
[10:58] <Silveira_Neto> bmgs: Brazil, Fortaleza.
[10:59] <stdin> konoko: without the quotes
[10:59] <firemonkeyballz> gotta start dinner brb
[10:59] <bmgs> we speak almost the same lang ;) pt_BR, pt_pt
[10:59] <konoko> yup i wrote just this : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <konoko> doesnt work :S
[11:00] <stdin> konoko: just try: kdesu kate
[11:00] <konoko> im using ubuntu?
[11:00] <stdin> konoko: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:01] <konoko> ubuntu
[11:01] <konoko> gnome :S
[11:01] <stdin> konoko: heh, ok, you didn't mention that :P
[11:01] <konoko> :P
[11:01] <stdin> konoko: use: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:01] <konoko> i was asking for kopete, i thought since it is a kde program, kubuntu is the right place to ask ^^
[11:02] <konoko> should i rechange it?
[11:03] <Asix> can I ask a question?
[11:03] <stdin> konoko: use that command to open the file, delete whatever is in there, and paste in what bonbonthejon gave you
[11:03] <konoko> im chaingin it with the bonbonthejon's list?
[11:03] <konoko> ok
[11:03] <stdin> !ask | Asix
[11:03] <ubotu> Asix: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:03] <konoko> stdin: i did erm now?
[11:03] <konoko> saved the file
[11:04] <Asix> what's the best way to convert .flv to .avi or .mpg or anything standard thing?
[11:04] <Asix> I'm using kubuntu 6.10 btw
[11:04] <stdin> konoko: ok, now open konsole (from Kmenu -> System -> Konsole)
[11:04] <konoko> yup
[11:04] <jhutchins> Asix: ffmpeg, mencoder, avidemux, there are a bunch of tools.
[11:04] <jhutchins> Asix: There's a package called tovid that aids in making DVD's.
[11:05] <stdin> konoko: and type in: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[11:05] <dere45> hi, i am searching for a KDE program with thich you can sort your open windows. I know that there exists a program in the multiverse (at least i think so). But can't remember its name.   This program sorted all open windows (with screenshots) on your desk and you could switch between programs by clicking on the screenshots. anyone an idea?
[11:05] <Asix> well I don't need DVDs, just plain DivX or Xvid video
[11:05] <jhutchins> konoko: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[11:06] <firemonkeyballz> dude jhuchins dont give ppl the hard way
[11:06] <konoko> thanks a lot stdin, bonbonthejon, jhutchins, firemonkeyballz ^^
[11:07] <stdin> konoko: you should be able to find kopete now
[11:07] <jhutchins> firemonkeyballz: How else are you going to learn?
[11:07] <konoko> actually i did :)
[11:07] <konoko> from the first code that you gave
[11:07] <stdin> jhutchins: by asking questions
[11:07] <jhutchins> I refer to that howto regularly.
[11:07] <firemonkeyballz> I'll learn with out fubaring my system thanx
[11:07] <konoko> firemonkeyballz: i did search a lot before asking
[11:08] <konoko> but im a newbie so there are lots of stuff that i dont understand
[11:08] <jhutchins> firemonkeyballz: I figured he had the basics of what he wanted, now he could use some background info.
[11:08] <Asix> ok now if someone could get back to my question? :D
[11:08] <konoko> or dangerous ones that i dont know how dangerous they are - like automatix
[11:08] <stdin> konoko: it was probably automatix that gave you the problems, it would have changed your package sources list
[11:09] <konoko> how can i delete automatix? from apt-get or file manager?
[11:09] <stdin> konoko: how did you install it?
[11:10] <konoko> i installed it with some codes from the console
[11:10] <konoko> dunno how :S just found on a forum
[11:10] <stdin> konoko: try the apt-get way
[11:10] <stdin> konoko: sudo apt-get remove automatix
[11:10] <stdin> konoko: or, sudo apt-get remove automatix2 (not sure which)
[11:10] <konoko> Package automatix is not installed, so not removed
[11:10] <konoko> :S
[11:11] <konoko> automatix2 works ^^
[11:11] <konoko> i deleted it thanks a lot
[11:11] <stdin> :)
[11:11] <firemonkeyballz> !easy-install
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easy-install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <firemonkeyballz> !easy
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <firemonkeyballz> !source
[11:12] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[11:12] <firemonkeyballz> !source-list
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-list - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <fernando> hi, any body here use Kdevelop???
[11:13] <konoko> !ubotu
[11:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:14] <jhutchins> firemonkeyballz: If you're gonna play with the bot, use /msg so you don't flood the channel.
[11:15] <firemonkeyballz> like im going to place 100 lines in one ms
[11:16] <stdin> firemonkeyballz: use a query then
[11:16] <firemonkeyballz> your definition of flood is warped
[11:16] <stdin> or join #ubuntu-bots
[11:16] <stdin> !botabuse
[11:16] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:17] <frtmonster> i try to open a midi file with 'kmid' and it says some other program uses the /dev/sequencer/ - what's the prob here?
[11:19] <stdin> frtmonster: maybe another app is using it, try "sudo lsof | grep sequencer" to see if it is (in konsole)
[11:19] <frtmonster> stdin: what are lsof and grep
[11:20] <frtmonster> stdin: it did nothing, atleast it seems
[11:20] <stdin> frtmonster: lsof = list open files, and grep = search for a string in text, so the command searches for "sequencer" in the output of lsof
[11:21] <stdin> frtmonster: if nothing was shown, then it looks like it should be working
[11:22] <frtmonster> stdin: thanks
[11:22] <frtmonster> stdin: but it's not :)
[11:22] <frtmonster> and that is the problem
[11:23] <frtmonster> stdin: what does '|' do btw?
[11:23] <Aiwuu> !kdevelop
[11:23] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[11:23] <Kyral> KDevelop is nice for large scale projects
[11:24] <stdin> frtmonster: it's a pipe, it "pipes" the output of one command in to the input of another
[11:24] <frtmonster> i don't follow
[11:25] <Kyral> Allow me to explain
[11:25] <stdin> frtmonster: so the output of the command "lsof" is sent to the "grep" command
[11:25] <Kyral> take the two commands, cat and less
[11:25] <frtmonster> stdin: i see
[11:25] <frtmonster> Kyral: cat and less? i lost you completely there :P
[11:25] <Kyral> cat on its own prints its arguments (be it STDIN, or files) combined to STDOUT (aka the screen)
[11:26] <Kyral> Someone just give him a link to Terminal For Beginners :P
[11:26] <stdin> !shell
[11:26] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:26] <frtmonster> btw ugh, how can i stop the touchpad in the laptop from working?
[11:26] <Kyral> That ain't it
[11:29] <luca> hi everyone
[11:29] <luca> can someone help me with strigi?
[11:29] <maki> hi
[11:30] <maki> i'm newbie :)
[11:31] <luca> ok, thanks anyway :)
[11:32] <maki> no
[11:32] <maki> what problem you have
[11:33] <maki> i maybe know the answer :)
[11:33] <stdin> frtmonster: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo ? I seem to be able to play midi files with timidity
[11:34] <frtmonster> stdin: i will look now
[11:36] <Krishean> when an application crashes with no error message how do i find out why it crashed?
[11:36] <lontra> Krishean: open it via terminal and run it
[11:36] <Krishean> ah
[11:37] <lontra> luca: what is your strigi problem?  i use strigi
[11:37] <lontra> Krishean: it should provide some more verbosity...if not you can install a -debug package...i believe
[11:39] <iamsam9895> hmm...
[11:39] <dromer> I am using twinview t oa tv right now, but I can only open programs on the tv, not on my regular crt, how can I move programs between these screens?
[11:40] <dromer> I mean I can open programs on both screens, but I can't move them between them
[11:41] <frtmonster> stdin: synaptics says i have timidity installed
[11:41] <Krishean> it says something about gtk_widget_set_colormap
[11:41] <frtmonster> i mean, it was probably installed through easyubuntu
[11:43] <frojnd> is there any similar program like saminisde and lc5 for linux ??
[11:46] <skittles> whats the new version coming out in April?
[11:46] <agracey> ubuntustudio
[11:46] <frtmonster> ok timidy works stdin but not kmid
[11:47] <skittles> if i get the newer version when it comes out, will i lose everything i have done so far on ubuntu? <new user 4 2weeks>
[11:49] <agracey> burn it all on to dvds
[11:50] <stdin> frtmonster: I think you need to set kmid up
[11:50] <frtmonster> stdin: i did lsof
[11:50] <frtmonster> lsof: status error on /dev/sequencer/: No such file or directory
[11:50] <frtmonster> i think the problem is differnet
[11:50] <frtmonster> what do you think
[11:50] <lontra> skittles: no you can just upgrade
[11:50] <Aattila> Hi! I cannot enable the wlan (Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN  Controller). What should i do?
[11:50] <skittles> tks Lontra
[11:51] <agracey> does anybody know how to install onto a sata 3.0 drive; no distros work except opensuse but I much prefer kubuntu.
[11:51] <frtmonster> stdin:  there's no sequencer at all
[11:51] <stdin> frtmonster: that's because it's not a directory, it's a file name, and I gor sound from kmid by doing from kmidi Settings -> MIDI Setup.. -> Timidity port 0
[11:51] <agracey> Aattila: have you tried restarting
[11:51] <frtmonster> ok
[11:52] <agracey> for some reason it worked for me the second time I booted up
[11:52] <frtmonster> stdin i did settings -> midi setup and it said "could not open midi/sequencer to get results
[11:53] <frtmonster> */dev/sequencer to get info
[11:53] <frtmonster> and "probably there is another program using it"
[11:53] <stdin> frtmonster: did you do the modprobe part here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo#head-e460036f4a70527b15a3a18791defdf5d52b9553 ?
[11:54] <frtmonster> stdin: timidy works for me
[11:54] <frtmonster> stdin: kmid doesn't
[11:55] <Aattila> agracey: yes, i tried many times to enable it, but it always turns on for a while, then inmediately disables
[11:55] <stdin> frtmonster: it didn't as first here, until I set it to use "TiMidity TiMidity port 0 - ALSA device"
[11:55] <frtmonster> stdin: i used easy ubuntu to install MIDI support
[11:56] <frtmonster> maybe i'll do the modprobe thing you asked me to
[11:56] <frtmonster> sec
[11:56] <stdin> I didn't, I just installed TiMidi, kmidi and pmidi, that's it
[11:56] <stdin> (to the easy ubuntu part)^
[11:58] <frtmonster> stdin hmm, i did the modprobe commands and suddenly i can enter
[11:58] <frtmonster> but i don't hear sound so i'll keep going
[11:58] <frtmonster> but how did you know modprobe would do? what does it do?
[11:58] <lupare> insert kernel modules
[11:58] <stdin> frtmonster: in linux, we call drivers modules, so you loaded some drivers
[11:59] <stdin> frtmonster: try changing the settings in kmidi now, you may have to restart timidity
[11:59] <frtmonster> ok
[12:01] <pyrotix> how do I make a folder appear as if it is underneath another folder in the hierarchy when it really isn't?
[12:01] <lupare> symlink
[12:01] <frtmonster> stdin: it works dude!
[12:01] <frtmonster> great
[12:01] <stdin> woo :P
[12:01] <frtmonster> you know of any MIDI programs that will show me keyboard being played like kmidi?
[12:02] <frtmonster> thanks
[12:02] <frtmonster> haha i can finally delete windows
[12:02] <pyrotix> lupare: sounds familiar. That isn't right click create new link to location right? Because that didn't work.
[12:02] <frtmonster> i feel so powerful
[12:02] <stdin> frtmonster: nope, I only just tried midi, to see if I could get it working :P
[12:02] <frtmonster> i have a midi application with a keyboard so i can learn piano :D
[12:02] <frtmonster> ok
[12:03] <KaiSVK> hi all :)
[12:03] <frtmonster> stdin: :P you have any idea how to make a MIDI keyboard work on linux?
[12:03] <lupare> pyrotix: no it is not, I always manage to do so in console ;) ln -s source dest
[12:04] <KaiSVK> I am new around here ... considering to migrate from SuSE to Kubuntu ... main point is SuSE became bloated too much for me ... and I tasted debian flavour so ... are these right reasons to migrate to Kubuntu ? :)
[12:04] <stdin> frtmonster: never tried, but there is another couple steps if you don't want to have to load timidity and do the modporbe after
[12:04] <agracey> frtmonster:  do you use ack or alsa
[12:04] <KaiSVK> I mean ... is there something Kubuntu can give to semi-advanced user ?
[12:04] <agracey> jack
[12:04] <lupare> everything is better dan SuSE
[12:04] <Gizmo48> any get BOSON to work?
[12:05] <KaiSVK> lupare: why do you say that ? :)
[12:05] <Gizmo48> anyone
[12:05] <lupare> those shitty rpm's
[12:05] <pyrotix> KaiSVK: apt > rpm
[12:05] <agracey> everything seems smoother than in kubuntu
[12:05] <lupare> .deb ftw!
[12:05] <frtmonster> agracey: i don't know
[12:05] <KaiSVK> lupare: I have to agree ... after I tried debian ... I have seen it on my own ...
[12:05] <agracey> ok then you are using alsa
[12:06] <frtmonster> stdin:  i will have to do it each time?
[12:06] <pyrotix> Guys how do I create sym-links?
[12:06] <lupare> debian based distro's are best, gentoo is better but too hard to get together a nice working package
[12:06] <agracey> Jack is an audio server that ties together all of your audio applications and I believe it has support for midi
[12:06] <frtmonster> jack is on synaptics?
[12:06] <agracey> yes
[12:07] <frtmonster> ok
[12:07] <KaiSVK> lupare: only thing I am aware of that I will get out of rpm based SuSE/RedHat ... and I want to sell/support/propagate so called "eterprise linux solutions"
[12:07] <KaiSVK> lupare: its my job
[12:07] <agracey> search jack on google for a list of programs it works with
[12:07] <stdin> frtmonster:  not if you do this, edit the file /etc/default/timidity (with the command "kdesu kate /etc/default/timidity") and remove the '#' from the start of the line with TIM_ALSASEQ=true on it, then edit /etc/modules (kdesu kate /etc/modules) and add snd-seq-device, snd-seq-midi, snd-seq-oss, snd-seq-midi-event, and snd-seq to it (each on a new line)
[12:07] <lupare> haha lol
[12:07] <frtmonster> stdin: can't i use nano?
[12:08] <stdin> frtmonster: yeah, if you want :P
[12:08] <frtmonster> :)
[12:08] <lupare> console ftw
[12:08] <KaiSVK> lupare: another thing is ... ubuntu/kubuntu just worked for me and there was nothing to play with for me last time I tried it:)
[12:08] <frtmonster> stdin: i know ## makes it a comment, what does # make it?
[12:08] <stdin> frtmonster: I just always give a GUI way because some people are scared of the console
[12:08] <agracey> what does ftw mean, I am new around here
[12:09] <pyrotix> agracey: for the win
[12:09] <frtmonster> stdin: oh i'm not using kubuntu anyway
[12:09] <agracey> ahh thanks
[12:09] <frtmonster> stdin: i'm using xubuntu
[12:09] <lupare> ftw = for the win
[12:09] <pyrotix> and guys how do I create symlinks?
[12:09] <frtmonster> my celeron won't handle kubuntu :o
[12:09] <stdin> frtmonster: # is a comment, ## is the same, any thing after a '#' is a comment
[12:09] <lupare> haha lol
[12:09] <lupare> mine does
[12:09] <frtmonster> i see
[12:09] <lupare> Celeron M though
[12:09] <frtmonster> lupare:  are u using a laptop as well
[12:09] <lupare> yes ;)
[12:09] <frtmonster> yea me too
[12:09] <frtmonster> what laptop do you have
[12:09] <stdin> pyrotix: like "ln -s /place/to/link/to link"
[12:10] <KaiSVK> oki I am gonna sleep ... lupare thanx for chatty ;) GN
[12:10] <lupare> ASUS A6-series
[12:10] <lupare> np
[12:10] <lupare> bye
[12:10] <KaiSVK> lupare: tomorrow is a day of change ;)
[12:10] <lupare> ok lolz
[12:10] <agracey> should get a gateway convertable
[12:10] <agracey> they are nice
[12:10] <frtmonster> stdin: why desn't linux developers allow to do ctrl+c in the gui and then ctrl+v onto the console?
[12:11] <stdin> frtmonster: because ctrl-V may mean something in a console app, just middle click to paste
[12:12] <frtmonster> stdin: dude, i don't want to complain or anything but you are really making my life easy
[12:12] <stdin> frtmonster: heh
[12:12] <frtmonster> stdin: back in the days when i installed slackware a long time ago, people used to rtfm and kick my ass out
[12:12] <frtmonster> you're handing me commands on a plate :)