[01:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: around?
[01:22] <nixternal> yup
[01:23] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you see mdke's question to me about what items we want on the front page?
[01:23] <nixternal> I seen something about it, but I didn't notice the specific items
[01:24] <nixternal> are Ubuntu docs getting installed as well?
[01:24] <LaserJock> yes
[01:24] <nixternal> ok, it would be nice to kind of keep their layout, but add like the 3 links to the Edubuntu docs
[01:24] <nixternal> Handbook, Release Notes, and School Advocacy?
[01:24] <nixternal> that is my opinion on it
[01:25] <LaserJock> what about About Edubuntu?
[01:25] <nixternal> ooh, forgot that one, yes that too
[01:26] <LaserJock> School Advocacy is a little odd
[01:26] <nixternal> then remove that. I wasn't sure on its status
[01:27] <LaserJock> well, I just think the name is weird
[01:28] <nixternal> I think for Feisty+1, Edubuntu docs needs to go TBH, and either keep the handbook for PDF/HTML for say the Wiki or somewhere else, or get rid of it
[01:29] <nixternal> they need to hurry up and open up translation for Feisty
[01:29] <nixternal> we are coming down to a month left
[01:30] <nixternal> I can already see the doc bugs, "docs are translated for my language, or some sections are and some aren't"
[01:31] <LaserJock> it's not much use to translate stuff if you're just going to have to translate it again
[01:32] <LaserJock> ok, so do you know how About Edubuntu and Release Notes are doing?
[01:33] <nixternal> I never messed with them, so they are probably the same as they always have been
[01:34] <LaserJock> which means they need to be rewritten :-)
[01:34] <nixternal> don't know about rewritted but possibly updated
[01:34] <nixternal> can we do that with string freeze
[01:35] <LaserJock> well, I think it'd pretty large reworking
[01:35] <LaserJock> those docs are at least 2-3 releases old
[01:36] <nixternal> actually with About Edubuntu you are looking at possibly and hours worth of work
[01:36] <nixternal> and?
[01:36] <nixternal> of about an hours worth of work
[01:36] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/
[01:37] <nixternal> brb
[01:44] <nixternal> k, back
[01:48] <LaserJock> ok
[01:48] <LaserJock> so do you have any time to look at About Edubuntu and Edubuntu Release Notes?
[01:50] <LaserJock> nixternal: ^^
[02:03] <nixternal> yes
[02:03] <nixternal> I am working on Mailody docs for KDE, just getting it started really. I am going to go get some ice cream and then I will work on Edubuntu docs. sound good?
[02:04] <LaserJock> good
[02:04] <nixternal> good deal, I shall return then and get to work on it
[02:05] <nixternal> should I work in trunk or feisty branch with this?
[02:05] <nixternal> I think working out of the feisty branch will be fine
[02:05] <nixternal> LP isn't even open for translations yet
[02:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:10] <LaserJock> I think Edubuntu won't get much translation this go around
[02:10] <LaserJock> I think it's more important for use to get decent docs
[03:53] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[03:53] <jjesse> hiya rich
[03:54] <jjesse> i think i just sent the last changes/fixes to the book
[03:54] <jjesse> i hate hotel living :(
[03:56] <jjesse> nixternal: i noticed you didn't have to change the whole universe/multiverse thing
[04:00] <nixternal> jjesse: because when you told me about it, I went ahead and made all of the fixes then
[04:03] <jjesse> cool
[04:06] <jjesse> trying to figure out how i want to setup my laptop
[04:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:06] <LaserJock> decisions decisions ;-)\
[04:07] <jjesse> yeah unfortnately for work i  need windows
[04:07] <jjesse> so i need to calculate how i'm going to partition things
[04:13] <boredandblogging> hi guys
[04:13] <boredandblogging> can anyone point me to a non-technical description of Linux and Ubuntu? I would like to put it on our LoCo page.
[04:15] <LaserJock> the ubuntu.com website doesn't have enough
[04:21] <boredandblogging> more along the lines of if someone doesn't quite know what linux is
[04:28] <nixternal> LaserJock: when pronouncing Edubuntu is it ed-oo-boon-too or edu-boon-too
[04:28] <nixternal> the proper way I guess
[04:29] <LaserJock> hmm, I think the 1st one
[04:29] <nixternal> think? :)
[04:40] <nixternal> hey, they dropped support for PowerPC didn't they?
[04:44] <LaserJock> official support
[04:44] <LaserJock> they are still making .isos
[04:45] <nixternal> hrmm, I didn't see any for 7.04
[04:46] <LaserJock> I think are there
[04:46] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't see Herd 5
[04:47] <LaserJock> maybe it didn't make Herd5
[04:47] <LaserJock> but the will be spinning CDs
[04:48] <nixternal> ok, that is all I needed to know
[04:48] <nixternal> I am almost done with the about doc
[04:48] <LaserJock> I think you could just say that PPC is community supported
[04:50] <nixternal> none of the Edubuntu devs are paid are they?
[04:50] <nixternal> Canonical just employs Ubuntu devs, and 1 Kubuntu dev
[04:52] <LaserJock> no
[04:52] <LaserJock> Edubuntu technically has more than Kubuntu
[04:52] <LaserJock> ogra is Canonical
[04:53] <nixternal> K, well that is 1 :)
[04:53] <LaserJock> well, there's also RichEd and willdvl and rodrigo
[04:54] <nixternal> OK, true :)
[04:55] <LaserJock> but ogra is currently the only Edubuntu dev
[05:00] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r3968 /edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/about-edubuntu.xml: complete - review
[05:01] <nixternal> LaserJock: there is a new shell to work with, go through and see if you need more added/changed. I am thinking a little more "Education" info possibly
[05:02] <nixternal> hrmm, the release notes shouldn't really be packaged should they? I thought that was what the website was for?
[05:02] <LaserJock> I feel like they should be both, but maybe that's just me
[05:02] <nixternal> Ubuntu and Kubuntu aren't shipping release notes
[05:03] <LaserJock> well, then we can not if you want
[05:03] <nixternal> I swore the release notes were supposed to get absorbed into some Ubiquity slideshow
[05:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: it is up to you, the almighty Edubuntu and MOTU man
[05:03] <LaserJock> bah
[05:03] <nixternal> haha
[05:03] <LaserJock> we should ask ogra about ubiquity
[06:17] <LaserJock> nixternal: hahaha @ planet
[06:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i saw that in akregator
[06:18] <Admiral_Chicago> expected a graphic...
[07:19] <nixternal> :)
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> :(
[07:24] <LaserJock> man, totally ignoring you
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> I should just call his phone, wake him up at 4 AM.
[07:26] <LaserJock> do it!
[07:27] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i really wasn't going to but LaserJock told me to...
[07:27] <Admiral_Chicago> its out of my hands now...
[07:27] <LaserJock> lol
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> 1...6...
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> nah i wont because I am asking him a favor
[07:35] <nixternal> 1600 Pennsylvania Ave
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> lol
[07:35] <LaserJock> haha
[07:35] <LaserJock> you wish
[07:36] <nixternal> 1:30 already
[07:36] <nixternal> argh
[07:39] <crimsun> (nuts, man. That would be a horrendous address.)
[07:39] <LaserJock> you could do it!
[07:40] <crimsun> imagine the junk mail that goes _there_
[07:40] <LaserJock> I want to see Ubuntu dev /President
[07:40] <LaserJock> no kidding
[07:40] <LaserJock> I'm guessing the bug reports can be a little more urgent as well ;-)
[07:40] <crimsun> err, I have lecture in <4 hours
[07:41] <crimsun> blah for not sleeping
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> \o?
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> err.
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> \o/
[07:41] <LaserJock> crimsun: what class?
[07:41] <crimsun> operating systems
[07:42] <LaserJock> do you like teaching it?
[07:43] <Admiral_Chicago> fun. they offered that at my school, didn't take it..yet
[07:43] <crimsun> yeah, quite fun even if the hour is ungodly
[07:43] <Admiral_Chicago> 8 AM?
[07:43] <crimsun> yeah
[07:44] <LaserJock> I don't want to get another PhD though
[07:44] <LaserJock> one would be quite sufficient
[07:44] <crimsun> c'mon, everyone loves insanity
[07:44] <Admiral_Chicago> 8 AM, i forget that hour existed before this semster
[07:45] <LaserJock> the dept. sys admin ( a CS grad student) wants to teach a "CS for Chemists" class with me
[07:45] <LaserJock> but we'd need to get people interested
[07:46] <crimsun> pizza, semester/quarter stipends, and promises of removing FORTRAN should do it
[07:47] <Admiral_Chicago> FORTRAN rocks
[07:47] <LaserJock> almost everything we do is Fortran
[07:47] <crimsun> it does, but not for Ubuntu ;)
[07:48] <LaserJock> but we need info on shell scripting and stuff like using python to analyze data
[07:48] <LaserJock> the sys admin wrote a simple bash/perl script and saved a grad student like a weeks worth of work
[07:48] <LaserJock> just needed to randomly move some H atoms
[07:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Fortran rocks is what i wanted to say
[07:51] <LaserJock> in it's own way
[07:52] <LaserJock> not so great for GUIs, IMO
[07:52] <nixternal> fortran? get out of here
[07:52] <nixternal> c++ rocks
[07:53] <nixternal> ocaml
[07:53] <nixternal> stuff like that
[07:53] <nixternal> Python (once I learn it better)
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> definetly not, we have a GUI problem that I'm hacking on right now...that's my break
[07:53] <LaserJock> fortran is easy and fast
[07:53] <nixternal> LaserJock: the 1970's called and said they want their programming language back
[07:53] <LaserJock> but I prefer my Fortran as a python library
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> our grid computer running FORTRAN will destrou you
[07:53] <nixternal> oh I forgot, you are a scientist
[07:53] <LaserJock> yes
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: what field?
[07:54] <nixternal> fortran was probably the first thing I started to learn in the early 80's
[07:54] <LaserJock> Physical Chemistry
[07:54] <nixternal> nuclear physisisisist at area 51
[07:54] <LaserJock> lol
[07:54] <LaserJock> close
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> P Chem, cool.
[07:54] <nixternal> BizMgt > all of um
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i half expected "psychology"
[07:55] <nixternal> well LaserJock I am thinking of PhD, either CompSci (doubt it), Electrical Engineering (possible), Business (more than likely)
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> haha. that's not a science...(people get really mad when I say that)
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> do business nixternal!
[07:55] <nixternal> more than likely I will
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> then go around trying to get people to let them operate on you
[07:55] <nixternal> I already have 2.5 degrees in it
[07:56] <LaserJock> yuck
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> I'm doctor nixternal. let's see that pancreas.
[07:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:56] <LaserJock> business is for type A personalities with control issues ;-)
[07:56] <LaserJock> j/k
[07:56] <nixternal> that's me!
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> lsl
[07:56] <nixternal> lsd
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> err lol...dang qwerty keyboards...
[07:57] <nixternal> now it is qwerty's fault, last week it was dvoraks
[07:57] <nixternal> I seen a dvorak keyboard with my very own eyes finally, and I must say, absolutely retarded
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> dude I didn't bring my keyboard home
[07:57] <nixternal> just get the happy hacker, caps become cntrol and so on
[07:57] <nixternal> dvorak almost wants to be an emacs or vi keyboard
[07:58] <nixternal> and people who use keyboards are stupid, microphone. I sit here and yell "LOL" all day long
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> dude, those text editoes hate dvorak
[07:58] <nixternal> jeesh
[07:58] <crimsun> yes, they certainly do
[07:58] <crimsun> I remember using dvorak for the first time with vim
[07:58] <crimsun> that was a nightmare
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> yea I just stay away from vim / emacs...thats the final frontier to all out geekdom
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> that and Star Trek
[08:00] <nixternal> I don't like star trek, and Kate > Emacs && Vim
[08:01] <LaserJock> gedit FTW!
[08:02] <nixternal> never
[08:02] <nixternal> I can validate, build, test, whatever w/o ever leaving Kate
[08:02] <nixternal> figured as much
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> oh thats where my phone is..
[09:11] <mdke> morning
[09:29] <bhuvan> morning mdke
[09:29] <bhuvan> mdke: shall i remove incomplete sections in branches/feisty server guide?
[09:30] <mdke> bhuvan: yes please
[09:30] <bhuvan> ok mdke
[09:51] <bhuvan> mdke: i modified generic/serverguide (yet to commit); should i modify generic/server as well?
[09:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan feisty * r3969 /generic/serverguide/C/ (8 files):
[09:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Feisy fix for server guide:
[09:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * Remove unused sections
[09:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * Fix the status
[10:03] <mdke> bhuvan: we need to update generic/server with the latest strings from serverguide, basically just copying over all the relevant files. You can do that if you like!
[10:03] <mdke> i have to go to work, cya later
[10:03] <bhuvan> ok, i'll do it; thank you
[10:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan feisty * r3970 /generic/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[10:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Make the server guide document compatible for Feisty Fawn.
[10:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/sample/sources.list
[10:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/package-management.xml
[10:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/libs/generic.ent
[10:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  Change the reference from dapper to feisty
[10:18] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan feisty * r3971 /generic/server/ (13 files in 2 dirs):
[10:18] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Synchronize generic/server with generic/serverguide directory. Copy over
[10:18] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: the files from generic/serverguide to generic/server and remove
[10:18] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: unused/incomplete files.
[10:18] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Suggested by: mdke
[10:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull feisty * r3972 /ubuntu/add-applications/C/add-applications.xml: universe/multiverse now enabled by default, closes bug 91355
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91355 in ubuntu-docs "Universe and Multiverse enabled by default" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91355
[10:48] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull feisty * r3973 /ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Fixes one small typo (string change, sorry)
[11:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull feisty * r3974 /ubuntu/ (10 files in 8 dirs): Update section statuses (no string changes)
[11:03] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3975 ubuntu/add-applications/C/add-applications.xml: Merge changes to add-applications from branches/feisty
[05:42] <nixternal> Laser_away: have you had a chance to look over the About Edubuntu page yet?
[05:42] <Laser_away> nope
[05:43] <nixternal> roger. I was hoping it built already on doc.ubuntu.com but it hasn't
[05:43] <Laser_away> I just saw an edubuntu MIR approval
[05:43] <nixternal> it would be nice to be able to initiate that cron job
[05:43] <nixternal> ooh, cool, is it edubuntu-docs?
[05:43] <Laser_away> edubuntu-docs MIR that is
[05:43] <nixternal> sweet!
[06:35] <nixternal> woohoo, translations are open
[06:35] <nixternal> now, how do we upload for translation? :P
[06:43] <LaserJock> I think they should come from the *-docs packages
[06:45] <nixternal> yes, as long as the pot files are included
[08:08] <mdke> nixternal: we need to do some manual things with the rosetta guys, I'm on it
[08:20] <bodhi_zazen> hi all :0
[08:22] <LaserJock> hi bodhi_zazen
[08:23] <bodhi_zazen> LaserJock thanks for your help the other night :)
[08:28] <LaserJock> bodhi_zazen: no problem
[08:30] <bodhi_zazen> I was told this channel is not so active ...
[08:31] <LaserJock> it depends
[08:31] <LaserJock> "active" is sort of a relative term
[08:31] <bodhi_zazen> he he ..
[08:32] <bodhi_zazen> Well I am going to try to raise the level of awareness of the wiki on the fourms
[08:32] <bodhi_zazen> wanted to let you know, I am not wanting to re-create the wheel
[08:33] <bodhi_zazen> I want to add guidence for new users
[08:33] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to integrate rather then re-create of up root ;)
[08:34] <bodhi_zazen> *or
[08:45] <LaserJock> it seems to me that we've always had a bit of a weird/strained relationship with the forums
[08:46] <LaserJock> I'm not sure why exactly
[08:46] <bodhi_zazen> sorry to hear that...
[08:46] <LaserJock> except that forums people seem to not want to work outside the forum
[08:46] <LaserJock> and doc people seem to not want to work on the forums
[08:46] <LaserJock> as a gross generalization
[08:47] <bodhi_zazen> One of my gaols when I "applied" for leadership of the beginners team was to bring the wiki to the noobs so to speak :)
[08:47] <bodhi_zazen> I see my team as a potential bridge
[08:47] <bodhi_zazen> we are at #ubuntuforums-beginners
[08:48] <bodhi_zazen> and we are just starting
[09:00] <bdmurray> bug 67022 is against the installation-guide is that a docteam package?
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67022 in installation-guide "example-preseed.txt is .gz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67022
[09:00] <LaserJock> bdmurray: I don't think it is
[09:00] <LaserJock> usually cjwatson takes care of it, I *think*
[09:01] <bdmurray> LaserJock: okay, cool.  I just wanted to make sure.
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91749 in kubuntu-docs (main) "file confict with ubuntu-docs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91749
[09:25] <LaserJock> uh oh
[12:01] <nixternal> mdke: come back :)
[12:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you see my conversation with ogra WRT release note?
[12:11] <nixternal> not yet sweety, was it good?
[12:11] <nixternal> ;p
[12:11] <nixternal> dude, it is in the 60's here today, I got to finally take the bike out today and ride
[12:12] <nixternal> LaserJock: so we are putting them on the wiki, groovy
[12:12] <LaserJock> so we should take them out of the svn repo