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| malt^ | ello from poland | 02:17 |
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| malt^ | anyone from boardman? | 02:20 |
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| dfarning | @schedual | 07:41 |
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| dfarning | @help | 09:12 |
| Ubugtu | (help [<plugin>] [<command>] ) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 09:12 |
| dfarning | @help schedule | 09:13 |
| dfarning | @schedule | 09:13 |
| fabbione | without the space at the beginning | 09:15 |
| fabbione | @schedule | 09:15 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:15 |
| dfarning | thanks | 09:16 |
| dfarning | @schedule | 09:16 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:16 |
| dfarning | @help schedule | 09:17 |
| Ubugtu | schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone | 09:17 |
| dfarning | @schedule chicago | 09:17 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 12 Mar 13:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 11:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 15:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 15:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 14:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09:17 |
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| asac | @schedule berlin | 02:17 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 12 Mar 19:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 20:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02:17 |
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| dfarning | @schedule chicago | 04:49 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 12 Mar 13:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 11:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 15:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 15:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 14:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04:49 |
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| zul | @schedule montreal | 04:51 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 12 Mar 14:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 12:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 15:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04:51 |
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| LaserJock | is the Derivative meeting on in a couple minutes? | 06:58 |
| dfarning | LaserJock, yes will kick off soon good to have you here | 06:59 |
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| === gnomefreak will have to read logs :) | ||
| dfarning | Looks like it is time to start;) | 07:00 |
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| BackwardsDown | this is my first time, and before it goes off, may I ask you wat a "derative team meeting" is exactly? | 07:00 |
| dfarning | I just wanted to introduce everyone to the Derivatives Team | 07:01 |
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| dfarning | the derative team is working on making is easier for distro to derive from ubuntu | 07:01 |
| BackwardsDown | ah k | 07:01 |
| BackwardsDown | like you are doing with linspire? | 07:02 |
| dfarning | or mission statement can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam | 07:02 |
| dfarning | current I am working on how linspire can work within the Ubuntu community | 07:03 |
| dfarning | currently most of our discussion are on how linsprire and Ubuntu can work together on issues handling | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | are you a linspire developer? | 07:04 |
| dfarning | LaserJock, no I am a guy who wanted firefox to not crash;) | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | maybe a little round of "who's here and from what" might be nice | 07:05 |
| dfarning | sounds good | 07:05 |
| dfarning | anyone? | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | my name is Jordan Mantha and I'm a MOTU and also an Ichthux developer | 07:06 |
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| LaserJock | Ichthux is a Kubuntu derivate, btw | 07:07 |
| dfarning | LaserJock, I didn't realize you were with Ichthux | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | *derivative | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | I've worked with 3 different *buntu derivatives so far | 07:07 |
| dfarning | I am interested in how you create meta packages | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | so I'm interested in seeing how this team works ;-) | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | well, meta packages are fairly easy, as you can look at the Ubuntu examples | 07:08 |
| dfarning | Well the next issue I want to bring up was our roadmap | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | we uses seeds just like Ubuntu and basically use the kubuntu-meta package as an example | 07:09 |
| dfarning | the first order of business is talking to various distos and seeing what we can do to make it easier for them | 07:09 |
| dfarning | to work with us | 07:10 |
| dfarning | LaserJock, what could we do to help Ichthux? | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | well | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | we've had a lot of success with the items you've mentioned | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | since the dev team is almost all *buntu contributors | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | all of our packages are in Universe | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | we used LP | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | and we've worked with the installer people on getting customized installtion stuff into Ubuntu | 07:12 |
| dfarning | Would you mind serving as a resource to other distros | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | I don't think we would | 07:13 |
| dfarning | cool | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | we are a bit dormaint right now, due to various things | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | but I think we'd be happy to help where we can | 07:13 |
| dfarning | the most common request I am getting is for help from localizations teams | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | what do they need? | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | I'd think it'd be fairly straightfoward with Reconstructor or UCK | 07:14 |
| dfarning | do you have a preference between the two tool kits | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | since we don't use either (and I haven'), no | 07:15 |
| dfarning | ;( | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | *haven't | 07:15 |
| dfarning | I would like to invite both project to join the team | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | that would be cool | 07:16 |
| dfarning | they seem to have a lot to offer | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | I think about the only reason we don't use them is we build our .isos on a server and we have too many customizations to do | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | but they should be great for localization | 07:17 |
| dfarning | the next priority is to work with Canonical and Ubuntu to set policies for distros | 07:17 |
| dfarning | they are working on the trademark issue now | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | what kind of policies do you imaging? | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | *imagine | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | my spelling it terrible today | 07:18 |
| dfarning | mine too | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | I think if Canonical and Ubuntu started putting a bunch of "you have to do this" or "you can't do that" it might turn a lot of people away | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | where they have the right and obligation to do so (trademark for instance) then they should do it | 07:19 |
| dfarning | statements on how ubuntu will retain source code in their archives | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | yes, that'll be interesting | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | since I'm not sure what the FSF thinks of that | 07:20 |
| dfarning | yes is mostly legal issues | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | but it'd be good to see that | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | "Best Practices" would be helpful for sure | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I've been pushing for derivatives, as much as possible, to work within Universe | 07:20 |
| dfarning | I am drafting a letter to the FSF to see if they will issue a statement on source code complience | 07:21 |
| dfarning | as it affect our team | 07:21 |
| dfarning | Yes, there are many distro who have been building knowledge and experience for several releases | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | I think it'd be good to get ahold of as many derivative as possible | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | see how many are interested in a closer relationship with Ubuntu and other derivatives, etc. | 07:23 |
| dfarning | ;) | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | some of them will want nothing to do with it I suspect | 07:23 |
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| dfarning | that has happened all ready | 07:23 |
| dfarning | many distros want to go their own way | 07:23 |
| dfarning | hopefully others will see the advantage of working together | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it'd be good to show that it *can* be helpful | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | I think mostly the Linux derivative model is a bit of a ineasy dislike | 07:25 |
| dfarning | yes, I that is what got me interest in this project | 07:25 |
| dfarning | the toss the tarball over the fence attitude | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | but we've had really good success in Ichthux | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | our biggest example is that we were able to get patches into the Ubuntu installer | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | that allowed us to give added language support | 07:27 |
| dfarning | the third issues that I would like to cover is issues handling | 07:27 |
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| LaserJock | mediation? | 07:28 |
| dfarning | mediation? | 07:28 |
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| LaserJock | do you mean mediation between Ubuntu and derivatives? | 07:29 |
| dfarning | sorry bug handing | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | ah | 07:30 |
| dfarning | Would like to work with Canoncial and Ubuntu about having use LP | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | using Launchpad makes all of that much easier | 07:30 |
| dfarning | having derivatives use LP | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it's very much in Canonical's mind to have Launchpad used by derivatives | 07:31 |
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| dfarning | I agree, but I don't want to commit their resources | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | several do already for pretty much everything but archive/iso management | 07:31 |
| dfarning | I believe that Canonical has commerical support agreement with some distos to use LP | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | well, most derivatives won't need that I don't think | 07:32 |
| dfarning | I need to follow up with Matthew Revell about that | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | until they want to start doing a lot of soyuz stuff | 07:33 |
| dfarning | that is one of the policy type questions | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | but Ichthux uses Launchpad for basically everything but the website/forums | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | specifications, bugs, potentially translations | 07:34 |
| dfarning | yes and from what I have seen it work great for you | 07:34 |
| dfarning | the forth issues is issue handling (the mediation type) | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | in the future Launchpad will also have Personal Package Archives which will be handy for derivatives | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | bazaar.launchpad.net is also very handy | 07:36 |
| dfarning | really, what are personal package archives? | 07:37 |
| cjwatson | PPA => "please dpkg-buildpackage this branch and stick the result in a little apt archive" | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 07:38 |
| cjwatson | approximately | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:38 |
| cjwatson | heh | 07:38 |
| dfarning | very helpful | 07:38 |
| dfarning | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Governance | 07:38 |
| dfarning | I just wanted to bring up a draft of our governance document | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | ok, I have a fundamental question here | 07:39 |
| dfarning | yes | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | is there even enough interest to create a Derivative "team"? | 07:39 |
| dfarning | ;( | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | I see a lot of teams created that don't really get anywhere | 07:40 |
| dfarning | Maybe not yet | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | not trying to be down here | 07:40 |
| dfarning | but I think their will be | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | but you're talking policies, collaboration, governance | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | and there's basically 2 of us here | 07:40 |
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| dfarning | there are a lot of derivative out there that are basically recreating the wheel | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | right | 07:41 |
| gnomefreak | 3 | 07:41 |
| dfarning | if will take some perservence | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | but a team sort of implies people are going to come to the table | 07:41 |
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| dfarning | The Mozilla Team was just me a few months ago | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | I was more of a mind to start with the mailing list and wiki namespace to put "best practices" and related info | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | the Derivative Council is a good idea | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | but it doesn't seem plausible or potent at this time, IMO | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | you know what I mean? | 07:44 |
| dfarning | not yet but I am willing to give it a few months;) | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | sure | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | but you also have to take it one step at a time | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | I think what you've got is a great end goal/roadmap | 07:44 |
| dfarning | baby steps;) | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:45 |
| pochu | 4 | 07:46 |
| pochu | ;) | 07:46 |
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| dfarning | yes first step is to start converstions with derivatives;) | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | ok, so how many derivatives do we know that might be interested? | 07:46 |
| dfarning | 10 to 15 | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | are you in contact with them? | 07:47 |
| dfarning | yes, email and phone;) | 07:47 |
| joejaxx | i am sorry everyone :\ i am here now | 07:47 |
| pochu | dfarning: we (spanish team) are thinking in do a Spanish localized Ubuntu :) | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | ok, so maybe to start with there needs to be a list of member derivatives | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | hi joejaxx | 07:48 |
| leogg | dfarning: should also contact the loco teams | 07:48 |
| joejaxx | hello leogg | 07:48 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: * | 07:48 |
| leogg | hi joejaxx | 07:48 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:48 |
| dfarning | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives | 07:48 |
| dfarning | is an incomplete list | 07:49 |
| leogg | pochu: we (ubuntu-ni) are working on a similar project | 07:49 |
| pochu | leogg: nicaragua? | 07:49 |
| pochu | leogg: also ubuntu-co is doing it | 07:49 |
| pochu | leogg: I'm going to contact everyone interested, to join efforts :) | 07:49 |
| dfarning | outstanding | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | dfarning: interesting, 2 out of the 3 derivatives I've work with aren't on there | 07:50 |
| leogg | pochu: great! | 07:50 |
| pochu | leogg: please join #ubuntu-es-web ;) | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | dfarning: what I meant though, was start a derivative membership drive | 07:50 |
| pochu | dfarning: I'll update that page | 07:50 |
| dfarning | I am going to have a converation with jono about how to collaborate between locos and the derivaative team | 07:51 |
| dfarning | thanks for updating your information | 07:51 |
| joejaxx | dfarning: did you base that list on the canonical one? | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: is it still Fluxbuntu or have you changed it? | 07:52 |
| dfarning | can you send me emails also at dfarning@gmail.com so I don't lose track | 07:52 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: that might be why, they are not included on it | 07:52 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: it is still fluxbuntu at this point | 07:52 |
| dfarning | yes it was based on the Canonical list | 07:52 |
| dfarning | adding distros as they introduce themselves | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | there are many more | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | so many Ubuntu derivatives ... | 07:53 |
| dfarning | yes, but as you said baby steps | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | the MOTU in me wants to cry | 07:53 |
| dfarning | ;) | 07:53 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:54 |
| dfarning | I have not been doing to much advertising | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | ok, how about a call to derivatives to participate | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | I think it'd be good to have a list of participating projects | 07:54 |
| dfarning | currently, I am approaching them one at a time. | 07:55 |
| gnomefreak | do most derivatives have mailing lists? if so easy to send them a post :) | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: does fluxbuntu want to participate? | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 07:55 |
| gnomefreak | joejaxx: please say yes | 07:55 |
| dfarning | gnomefreak, some do and some don't | 07:55 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: yes :) i was interested the day dfarning sent the mailing list post | 07:56 |
| dfarning | it is sad how many are orphaned | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: has _MMA_ talked about it? | 07:56 |
| joejaxx | dfarning: there is a larger list on the bottom of the ubuntu wiki page on wikipedia.org | 07:57 |
| dfarning | _MMA_? | 07:57 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: not that much i am going to talk to him about it today | 07:57 |
| joejaxx | dfarning: ubuntu studio :) | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | dfarning: _MMA_ is the lead of Ubuntu Studio | 07:57 |
| dfarning | joejaxx, thanks | 07:57 |
| joejaxx | dfarning: you are most welcome | 07:57 |
| dfarning | ah | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | dfarning: I'll talk it over with Ichthux devs but I'm pretty sure we're interested | 07:58 |
| gnomefreak | joejaxx: what is browser and email default in fluxbuntu? | 07:58 |
| dfarning | guadlinux is also interested | 07:58 |
| dfarning | they are a very well done distro! | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | dfarning: hmmm, what about DerivativeTeam/ParticipatingProjects | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | with a brief "This is what it means to participate" at the top | 07:59 |
| joejaxx | gnomefreak: firefox and sylpheed | 07:59 |
| dfarning | makes sense, this is a work in progress;) | 08:00 |
| joejaxx | gnomefreak: i was considering mozilla browser but that is not in the repos at this point to my understanding | 08:00 |
| gnomefreak | joejaxx: you gonna be around in next 24-48 hours? | 08:00 |
| joejaxx | gnomefreak: yes | 08:00 |
| gnomefreak | joejaxx: ok ill ping you when i get caught up. do you have a page with list of contributors bychance? | 08:01 |
| dfarning | Well it has been an hour | 08:01 |
| joejaxx | gnomefreak: it needs updating :\ | 08:01 |
| dfarning | enough to think about for one day? | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | probably | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | we need that mailing list :/ | 08:02 |
| joejaxx | yeah :\ | 08:02 |
| dfarning | I agree | 08:02 |
| gnomefreak | Ml fairly easy to get | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | I think most people interested are pretty involved with other things | 08:02 |
| dfarning | I'll follow up on the RT | 08:02 |
| gnomefreak | RT? | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | we should try to keep it fairly low-key | 08:02 |
| dfarning | request ticket to start a ML | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | gnomefreak: Request Ticket | 08:03 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 08:03 |
| dfarning | Thanks for all the good ideas | 08:03 |
| dfarning | I think I'll set another meeting in about two week to see where we are at | 08:04 |
| joejaxx | that sounds good | 08:04 |
| gnomefreak | that reminds me | 08:04 |
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| pochu | LaserJock: still there? | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:06 |
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| pochu | hehe | 08:06 |
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| pochu | LaserJock: do you plan to make a gnome version of Ichthux? | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | pochu: well, there was some thought of that | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | pochu: we've done a bit of work on making a Xfce version | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | Ichthux-lite sort of thing | 08:07 |
| pochu | hmm | 08:07 |
| pochu | and what about gnome? hehe | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | but there's really no reason why we couldn't other than willing people | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | Kubuntu is actually a bit easier to derivatize, IMO | 08:08 |
| pochu | LaserJock: ah, hehe | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | becuase of how the layering of configs go | 08:08 |
| pochu | LaserJock: maybe I can help a little | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | I'm sure we could work something out (I'm a Gnome guy myself) | 08:09 |
| pochu | but I'm still learning, so don't wait too much ;) | 08:09 |
| pochu | LaserJock: so am I :) | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | well, the other thing is that we're also a Debian-based project | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | having a few DDs involved | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | so Ichthux has gone from Knoppix-based -> Kubuntu-based -> in Ubuntu repos -> in Debian repos (in the guture) | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | *future | 08:10 |
| pochu | LaserJock: oh, I thought you were ubuntu based :) | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | well, right now it's kinda hard to say how it exactly goes | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | it's based off of Kubuntu but the packages are all in Universe | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | so it's even hard to call it a real derivative since it's developed alongside | 08:11 |
| pochu | I see | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | and then when many of the packages get pushed to Debian it'll get even weirder | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | since we'll actually be our own upstreams ;-) | 08:12 |
| pochu | hehe | 08:13 |
| pochu | that might be annoying :) | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | pochu: anyway, if you're interested there's #ichthux and #ichthux-devel | 08:13 |
| pochu | LaserJock: didn't know :) | 08:14 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Mar 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00 UTC: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00 UTC: MOTU Council | ||
| stgraber | @schedule Zurich | 09:34 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 13 Mar 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 20:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 11:00: MOTU Council | 09:34 |
| BackwardsDown | hmm | 09:35 |
| BackwardsDown | @schedule Amsterdam | 09:36 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 13 Mar 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 20:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 11:00: MOTU Council | 09:36 |
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| sid | @schedule New_York | 11:11 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: 13 Mar 12:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 15:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 06:00: MOTU Council | 11:11 |
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