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left #ubuntu-meeting ["Baciamo] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:58] is the Derivative meeting on in a couple minutes? [06:59] LaserJock, yes will kick off soon good to have you here === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak will have to read logs :) [07:00] Looks like it is time to start;) === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:00] this is my first time, and before it goes off, may I ask you wat a "derative team meeting" is exactly? [07:01] I just wanted to introduce everyone to the Derivatives Team === hjmf [n=hjmf@140.Red-217-125-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:01] the derative team is working on making is easier for distro to derive from ubuntu [07:01] ah k [07:02] like you are doing with linspire? [07:02] or mission statement can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam [07:03] current I am working on how linspire can work within the Ubuntu community [07:04] currently most of our discussion are on how linsprire and Ubuntu can work together on issues handling [07:04] are you a linspire developer? [07:04] LaserJock, no I am a guy who wanted firefox to not crash;) [07:05] maybe a little round of "who's here and from what" might be nice [07:05] sounds good [07:05] anyone? [07:06] heh [07:06] my name is Jordan Mantha and I'm a MOTU and also an Ichthux developer === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9F74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:07] Ichthux is a Kubuntu derivate, btw [07:07] LaserJock, I didn't realize you were with Ichthux [07:07] *derivative [07:07] I've worked with 3 different *buntu derivatives so far [07:07] I am interested in how you create meta packages [07:07] so I'm interested in seeing how this team works ;-) [07:08] well, meta packages are fairly easy, as you can look at the Ubuntu examples [07:09] Well the next issue I want to bring up was our roadmap [07:09] we uses seeds just like Ubuntu and basically use the kubuntu-meta package as an example [07:09] the first order of business is talking to various distos and seeing what we can do to make it easier for them [07:10] to work with us [07:11] LaserJock, what could we do to help Ichthux? [07:11] well [07:11] we've had a lot of success with the items you've mentioned [07:11] since the dev team is almost all *buntu contributors [07:11] all of our packages are in Universe [07:12] we used LP [07:12] and we've worked with the installer people on getting customized installtion stuff into Ubuntu [07:12] Would you mind serving as a resource to other distros [07:13] I don't think we would [07:13] cool [07:13] we are a bit dormaint right now, due to various things [07:13] but I think we'd be happy to help where we can [07:13] the most common request I am getting is for help from localizations teams [07:14] hmm [07:14] what do they need? [07:14] I'd think it'd be fairly straightfoward with Reconstructor or UCK [07:14] do you have a preference between the two tool kits [07:15] since we don't use either (and I haven'), no [07:15] ;( [07:15] *haven't [07:15] I would like to invite both project to join the team [07:16] that would be cool [07:16] they seem to have a lot to offer [07:16] yes [07:16] I think about the only reason we don't use them is we build our .isos on a server and we have too many customizations to do [07:17] but they should be great for localization [07:17] the next priority is to work with Canonical and Ubuntu to set policies for distros [07:18] they are working on the trademark issue now [07:18] what kind of policies do you imaging? [07:18] *imagine [07:18] my spelling it terrible today [07:18] mine too [07:19] I think if Canonical and Ubuntu started putting a bunch of "you have to do this" or "you can't do that" it might turn a lot of people away [07:19] where they have the right and obligation to do so (trademark for instance) then they should do it [07:19] statements on how ubuntu will retain source code in their archives [07:19] yes, that'll be interesting [07:20] since I'm not sure what the FSF thinks of that [07:20] yes is mostly legal issues [07:20] but it'd be good to see that [07:20] "Best Practices" would be helpful for sure [07:20] I've been pushing for derivatives, as much as possible, to work within Universe [07:21] I am drafting a letter to the FSF to see if they will issue a statement on source code complience [07:21] as it affect our team [07:22] Yes, there are many distro who have been building knowledge and experience for several releases [07:22] I think it'd be good to get ahold of as many derivative as possible [07:23] see how many are interested in a closer relationship with Ubuntu and other derivatives, etc. [07:23] ;) [07:23] some of them will want nothing to do with it I suspect === SD-Plissken [n=Snake@unaffiliated/sdplissken/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:23] that has happened all ready [07:23] many distros want to go their own way [07:24] hopefully others will see the advantage of working together [07:25] well, I think it'd be good to show that it *can* be helpful [07:25] I think mostly the Linux derivative model is a bit of a ineasy dislike [07:25] yes, I that is what got me interest in this project [07:26] the toss the tarball over the fence attitude [07:27] but we've had really good success in Ichthux [07:27] our biggest example is that we were able to get patches into the Ubuntu installer [07:27] that allowed us to give added language support [07:27] the third issues that I would like to cover is issues handling === charl_ie [n=charlie@80-47-128-114.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:28] mediation? [07:28] mediation? === charl_ie [n=charlie@80-47-128-114.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [07:29] do you mean mediation between Ubuntu and derivatives? [07:29] sorry bug handing [07:30] ah [07:30] Would like to work with Canoncial and Ubuntu about having use LP [07:30] using Launchpad makes all of that much easier [07:30] having derivatives use LP [07:31] well, I think it's very much in Canonical's mind to have Launchpad used by derivatives === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:31] I agree, but I don't want to commit their resources [07:31] several do already for pretty much everything but archive/iso management [07:32] I believe that Canonical has commerical support agreement with some distos to use LP [07:32] well, most derivatives won't need that I don't think [07:33] I need to follow up with Matthew Revell about that [07:33] until they want to start doing a lot of soyuz stuff [07:33] that is one of the policy type questions [07:33] but Ichthux uses Launchpad for basically everything but the website/forums [07:34] specifications, bugs, potentially translations [07:34] yes and from what I have seen it work great for you [07:36] the forth issues is issue handling (the mediation type) [07:36] in the future Launchpad will also have Personal Package Archives which will be handy for derivatives [07:36] bazaar.launchpad.net is also very handy [07:37] really, what are personal package archives? [07:37] PPA => "please dpkg-buildpackage this branch and stick the result in a little apt archive" [07:38] exactly [07:38] approximately [07:38] ;-) [07:38] heh [07:38] very helpful [07:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Governance [07:39] I just wanted to bring up a draft of our governance document [07:39] ok, I have a fundamental question here [07:39] yes [07:39] is there even enough interest to create a Derivative "team"? [07:39] ;( [07:40] I see a lot of teams created that don't really get anywhere [07:40] Maybe not yet [07:40] not trying to be down here [07:40] but I think their will be [07:40] but you're talking policies, collaboration, governance [07:40] and there's basically 2 of us here === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable036.0-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:41] there are a lot of derivative out there that are basically recreating the wheel [07:41] right [07:41] 3 [07:41] if will take some perservence [07:41] but a team sort of implies people are going to come to the table === gnomefreak just watching [07:42] The Mozilla Team was just me a few months ago [07:42] I was more of a mind to start with the mailing list and wiki namespace to put "best practices" and related info [07:42] the Derivative Council is a good idea [07:43] but it doesn't seem plausible or potent at this time, IMO [07:44] you know what I mean? [07:44] not yet but I am willing to give it a few months;) [07:44] sure [07:44] but you also have to take it one step at a time [07:44] I think what you've got is a great end goal/roadmap [07:45] baby steps;) [07:45] yes [07:46] 4 [07:46] ;) === pochu has just arrived === Owdgit [n=ron@88-110-225-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:46] yes first step is to start converstions with derivatives;) [07:46] ok, so how many derivatives do we know that might be interested? [07:47] 10 to 15 [07:47] are you in contact with them? [07:47] yes, email and phone;) [07:47] i am sorry everyone :\ i am here now [07:47] dfarning: we (spanish team) are thinking in do a Spanish localized Ubuntu :) [07:48] ok, so maybe to start with there needs to be a list of member derivatives [07:48] hi joejaxx [07:48] dfarning: should also contact the loco teams [07:48] hello leogg [07:48] LaserJock: * [07:48] hi joejaxx [07:48] :) [07:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives [07:49] is an incomplete list [07:49] pochu: we (ubuntu-ni) are working on a similar project [07:49] leogg: nicaragua? [07:49] leogg: also ubuntu-co is doing it [07:49] leogg: I'm going to contact everyone interested, to join efforts :) [07:50] outstanding [07:50] dfarning: interesting, 2 out of the 3 derivatives I've work with aren't on there [07:50] pochu: great! [07:50] leogg: please join #ubuntu-es-web ;) [07:50] dfarning: what I meant though, was start a derivative membership drive [07:50] dfarning: I'll update that page [07:51] I am going to have a converation with jono about how to collaborate between locos and the derivaative team [07:51] thanks for updating your information [07:52] dfarning: did you base that list on the canonical one? [07:52] joejaxx: is it still Fluxbuntu or have you changed it? [07:52] can you send me emails also at dfarning@gmail.com so I don't lose track [07:52] LaserJock: that might be why, they are not included on it [07:52] LaserJock: it is still fluxbuntu at this point [07:52] yes it was based on the Canonical list [07:53] adding distros as they introduce themselves [07:53] there are many more [07:53] so many Ubuntu derivatives ... [07:53] yes, but as you said baby steps [07:53] the MOTU in me wants to cry [07:53] ;) [07:54] :) [07:54] I have not been doing to much advertising [07:54] ok, how about a call to derivatives to participate [07:54] I think it'd be good to have a list of participating projects [07:55] currently, I am approaching them one at a time. [07:55] do most derivatives have mailing lists? if so easy to send them a post :) [07:55] joejaxx: does fluxbuntu want to participate? [07:55] :-) [07:55] joejaxx: please say yes [07:55] gnomefreak, some do and some don't [07:56] LaserJock: yes :) i was interested the day dfarning sent the mailing list post [07:56] it is sad how many are orphaned [07:56] joejaxx: has _MMA_ talked about it? [07:57] dfarning: there is a larger list on the bottom of the ubuntu wiki page on wikipedia.org [07:57] _MMA_? [07:57] LaserJock: not that much i am going to talk to him about it today [07:57] dfarning: ubuntu studio :) [07:57] dfarning: _MMA_ is the lead of Ubuntu Studio [07:57] joejaxx, thanks [07:57] dfarning: you are most welcome [07:57] ah [07:58] dfarning: I'll talk it over with Ichthux devs but I'm pretty sure we're interested [07:58] joejaxx: what is browser and email default in fluxbuntu? [07:58] guadlinux is also interested [07:58] they are a very well done distro! [07:59] dfarning: hmmm, what about DerivativeTeam/ParticipatingProjects [07:59] with a brief "This is what it means to participate" at the top [07:59] gnomefreak: firefox and sylpheed [08:00] makes sense, this is a work in progress;) [08:00] gnomefreak: i was considering mozilla browser but that is not in the repos at this point to my understanding [08:00] joejaxx: you gonna be around in next 24-48 hours? [08:00] gnomefreak: yes [08:01] joejaxx: ok ill ping you when i get caught up. do you have a page with list of contributors bychance? [08:01] Well it has been an hour [08:01] gnomefreak: it needs updating :\ [08:01] enough to think about for one day? [08:02] probably [08:02] we need that mailing list :/ [08:02] yeah :\ [08:02] I agree [08:02] Ml fairly easy to get [08:02] I think most people interested are pretty involved with other things [08:02] I'll follow up on the RT [08:02] RT? [08:02] we should try to keep it fairly low-key [08:03] request ticket to start a ML [08:03] gnomefreak: Request Ticket [08:03] ah [08:03] Thanks for all the good ideas [08:04] I think I'll set another meeting in about two week to see where we are at [08:04] that sounds good [08:04] that reminds me === TASADAR-F [n=tasadar@81.172.102.197] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TASADAR-F [n=tasadar@81.172.102.197] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [08:06] LaserJock: still there? [08:06] yeah === LaserJock is always around, it seems like [08:06] hehe === Zirconio [n=Ziirconi@56.Red-81-44-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:06] LaserJock: do you plan to make a gnome version of Ichthux? [08:07] pochu: well, there was some thought of that [08:07] pochu: we've done a bit of work on making a Xfce version [08:07] Ichthux-lite sort of thing [08:07] hmm [08:08] and what about gnome? hehe [08:08] but there's really no reason why we couldn't other than willing people [08:08] Kubuntu is actually a bit easier to derivatize, IMO [08:08] LaserJock: ah, hehe [08:08] becuase of how the layering of configs go [08:08] LaserJock: maybe I can help a little [08:09] I'm sure we could work something out (I'm a Gnome guy myself) [08:09] but I'm still learning, so don't wait too much ;) [08:09] LaserJock: so am I :) [08:09] well, the other thing is that we're also a Debian-based project [08:09] having a few DDs involved [08:10] so Ichthux has gone from Knoppix-based -> Kubuntu-based -> in Ubuntu repos -> in Debian repos (in the guture) [08:10] *future [08:10] LaserJock: oh, I thought you were ubuntu based :) [08:11] well, right now it's kinda hard to say how it exactly goes [08:11] it's based off of Kubuntu but the packages are all in Universe [08:11] so it's even hard to call it a real derivative since it's developed alongside [08:12] I see [08:12] and then when many of the packages get pushed to Debian it'll get even weirder [08:12] since we'll actually be our own upstreams ;-) [08:13] hehe [08:13] that might be annoying :) [08:13] pochu: anyway, if you're interested there's #ichthux and #ichthux-devel [08:14] LaserJock: didn't know :) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9F74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === BackwardsDown [n=niels@5351BB29.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === leogg [n=leandro@indra-102.cablenet.com.ni] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === doko [n=doko@97.170.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11fasbs.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Mar 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00 UTC: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00 UTC: MOTU Council [09:34] @schedule Zurich [09:34] Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 13 Mar 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 20:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 11:00: MOTU Council [09:35] hmm [09:36] @schedule Amsterdam [09:36] Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 13 Mar 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 20:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 11:00: MOTU Council === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9F74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=ivan@67.Red-83-33-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:56] 3 === arualavi [n=ivan@67.Red-83-33-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:11] @schedule New_York [11:11] Schedule for America/New_York: 13 Mar 12:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 15:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 06:00: MOTU Council === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-023-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=ivan@67.Red-83-33-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=ivan@67.Red-83-33-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting