[12:13] <shawarma> jdong: Heh.
[12:15] <crimsun> jdong: did anyone using xinerama test your debs?
[12:16] <jdong> crimsun: xinerama is a lost cause in the updated version unfortunately
[12:16] <jdong> crimsun: I couldn't port it over or find any evidence the Suse has updated diff for that either :-/
[12:17] <jdong> crimsun: it's a pretty small loss though... xinerama AND Xgl is a minor fraction of Xgl users
[12:17] <jdong> better than not having any Xgl in the first place.
[12:17] <crimsun> what's the situation with xserver-xgl? Who _must_ use it?
[12:17] <crimsun> for compiz/beryl, that is
[12:17] <jdong> crimsun: every fglrx user, and nvidia-legacy user
[12:18] <jdong> crimsun: and those using GeForce4's get smoother rendering on Xgl too
[12:18] <jdong> so many of those guys choose to use it
[12:18] <crimsun> dang, I was just going to suggest a binary removal
[12:18] <jdong> crimsun: if it's not in Ubuntu repos, it will start showing up in more misshapen fashions in 3rd party ones.
[12:18] <jdong> crimsun: we can go that route but I think it's uglier :)
[12:20] <crimsun> doesn't it exist already in trevino's or whonot's?
[12:21] <jdong> well beryl repos has a patched-up Edgy version in their Edgy repos
[12:21] <jdong> (that adds the 0ubuntu2 patch for faster rendering)
[12:21] <jdong> but nothing has been done in Feisty et
[12:21] <jdong> their decision will depend on if an official package is put in Feisty.
[12:22] <crimsun> sick. Just sick.
[12:22] <jdong> I have yet to hear of any report of the new version not working for anyone that's tried it
[12:22] <jdong> and between the bug and the forum thread, there's a good 20 acks that it works
[12:23] <jdong> *sigh* hopefulyl come this time feisty+1 we'll have something better to offer ATI users....
[12:23] <crimsun> I'm like halfway through GL/mesa/glapi/glapitemp.h
[12:23] <jdong> I'm sorry, crimsun :(
[12:27] <shawarma> Amaranth: around?
[12:27] <Amaranth> shawarma: for a little bit
[12:27] <shawarma> Amaranth: I remember you were porting stuff from beryl to compiz, right?
[12:28] <shawarma> Amaranth: did you ever look at the window preview plugin?
[12:29] <Amaranth> shawarma: it's a big hack, needs stupid core changes
[12:29] <Amaranth> gtg
[12:30] <shawarma> bugger
[12:33] <keescook> if my mplayer uploads broke a/v sync, I'm going to be seriously shocked.  each upload was a 1 line change in the DMO and DS loaders.  :)
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Hi keescook.
[12:33] <keescook> hiya Fujitsu 
[12:34] <Fujitsu> (please do remember to use bzr in future, or things get lost)
[12:34] <Fujitsu> There really should be a more obvious way to tell if something's in bzr.
[12:34] <shawarma> stgraber: you should set bugs to "fix committed" until you actually see the packages on archive.ubuntu.com.
[12:34] <keescook> oh!  whoops, sorry
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: It's on its way.
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: There's talk on the ml about a X-Version-Control thing in debian/control
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: ...or something like that.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> XS-Vcs-Bzr?
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Yes, that's the on.e
[12:36] <Fujitsu> That's not exactly obvious (and mplayer has it now)
[12:36] <shawarma> I don't see how it could be any more obvious, really.
[12:36] <shawarma> We just need to get used to checking for it. 
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Well, I was thinking that LP could reject the upload if it could see it was in bzr, but the changes in the new version weren't.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> It's meant to be getting the intelligence to be able to do that soon, I believe.
[12:38] <shawarma> Yes, that's what the NoMoreSourcePackages spec is essentially about, isn't it?
[12:38] <Fujitsu> (working out which revision corresponds to which source package version, and stuff)
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Well, sort of. That spec is taking it to another level.
[12:49] <jdong> booga suga pusha.
[12:57] <illovae> hello
[01:09] <Nafallo> I have an ugly workaround on the go... ;-)
[01:09] <jdong> Nafallo: I saw ugly workaround and ego when I first read that :D
[01:10] <Nafallo> haha
[01:10] <Nafallo> lol
[01:11] <jdong> Oh vista does think it's 26 ***es in between my thighs
[01:11] <jdong> CRAP WRONG CHANNEL
[01:11] <jdong> please ignore that.
[01:13] <Nafallo> lol
[01:13] <Nafallo> *asg*
[01:14] <Nafallo> oops. ROTFL in swedish :-)
[01:14] <jdong> Nafallo: long story :)
[01:14] <jdong> Nafallo: an interesting investigation on why a rap song has two wildly different lyric interpretations.....
[01:15] <jdong> Nafallo: in case you were curious, the alternate interpretation was "26 inches in between my TIRES"
[01:15] <Nafallo> ;-)
[01:15] <jdong> vista speech recognition is the judge.
[01:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[01:28] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu
[01:28] <nixternal> boo
[01:28] <RAOF> Hey bddebian.
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Hi nixternal.
[01:28] <bddebian> ahh
[01:28] <bddebian> Hello RAOF
[01:29] <nixternal> well hello there :)
[01:47] <bddebian> Rockin' place tonight :-)
[01:48] <jdong> I think I creeped everyone away
[01:48] <jdong> by my accidental message in here
[01:49] <bddebian> heh
[01:49] <zul> jdong: too late for that :)
[01:49] <bddebian> I thought I was the only one that did that?
[01:49] <jdong> bddebian: I was pretty awful
[01:49] <jdong> bddebian: find channel logs ;-)
[01:50] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[01:50] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[01:50] <LaserJock> good work jdong ;-)
[01:50] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[01:51] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:51] <zul> hey LaserJock 
[02:27] <LaserJock> man, jdong really did kill the conversation ;-)
[02:28] <jdong> laserJock: and it's a totally honest misunderstanding of lyrics you insensitive clod ;-)
[02:28] <ajmitch> LaserJock: after what he said, most people probably ran off into another channel
[02:29] <LaserJock> poor jdong 
[02:29] <jdong> waah
[02:29] <ajmitch> why poor?
[02:29] <LaserJock> I hate it when I do something stupid in a public channel
[02:29] <jdong> and this channel
[02:29] <jdong> it gets stored
[02:29] <jdong> forever.
[02:30] <ajmitch> and gets good google rankings
[02:30] <LaserJock> I did a stupid in -devel once so don't feel too bad
[02:30] <LaserJock> although not quite of the genre
[02:30] <LaserJock> that
[02:30] <ajmitch> it'd be hard to top what jdong does
[02:30] <jdong> heh yeah I don't think anyone tops that :(
[02:33] <jdong> lol
[02:34] <jdong> "I am an expert in hip-hop lyrics.... and submitting 10MB debdiffs...."
[02:34] <ajmitch> jdong: don't worry, I'd be one of the ones approving your application
[02:35] <jdong> :)
[02:35] <jdong> well, I've learned to look before I type.
[02:35] <jdong> (I hope)
[02:36] <LaserJock> jdong: well, it could have been worse, you could have blogged it on planet ;-)
[02:36] <zul> ouch..
[02:37] <jdong> *shudder*
[02:37] <ajmitch> that would have been entertaining
[02:40] <zul> "How to shoot your mouth off and make friends while doing it"
[02:48] <LaserJock> oh, I saw a thing on Hans Reiser on the local news like last night
[02:48] <ajmitch> oh?
[02:49] <LaserJock> must of been like an arraignment hearing
[02:50] <LaserJock> his lawyer was talking about how the charges were completely absurd, blah blah
[02:50] <ajmitch> nothing interesting then
[02:50] <LaserJock> not really
[02:51] <LaserJock> it was just weird seeing it on the news
[02:52] <jdong> laserJock: he can stand trial, that's the gist I got.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> jdong: That's about it, yes.
[02:54] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: was it in your area?
[02:54] <LaserJock> kinda
[02:54] <LaserJock> we get one channel from the San Fransisco area
[02:55] <LaserJock> it's actually 4-5 hrs drive away
[03:02] <LaserJock> !!
[03:03] <Fujitsu> ?
[03:03] <LaserJock> my FF email is on lwn
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Link?
[03:03] <LaserJock> http://lwn.net/Articles/224001/
[03:03] <LaserJock> how weird
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[03:04] <Fujitsu> I saw that a week or so ago.
[03:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're famous
[03:04] <ajmitch> unlike the rest of us peons
[03:04] <LaserJock> you just need to get stuck writing all the emails
[03:04] <LaserJock> that's what you get for "delegating" ;-)
[03:05] <ajmitch> yep
[03:05] <ajmitch> and I don't blog
[03:05] <ajmitch> so noone knows about me :)
[03:05] <LaserJock> isn't that handy
[03:05] <ajmitch> quite
[03:06] <Fujitsu> I don't even have a website!
[03:06] <LaserJock> so umm, my laptop's time didn't change
[03:06] <Fujitsu> It's nice being a nobody.
[03:06] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: OS X?
[03:07] <LaserJock> Feisty
[03:07] <LaserJock> my desktop seems right
[03:07] <LaserJock> and the laptop says it's PDT, which I think is right
[03:07] <LaserJock> but the time itself didn't change
[03:09] <LaserJock> ok, I think it just didn't do it's NTP update yet
[03:09] <LaserJock> I did a manual NTP update and it's fine now
[03:09] <ajmitch> shouldn't need to use ntp
[03:09] <ajmitch> great, NZDT ends next sunday
[03:10] <ajmitch> 1 extra hour of sleep
[03:10] <Fujitsu> +1 LaserJock
[03:10] <Lathiat> ours ends next week also
[03:10] <ajmitch> yes, using UTC would work so well throughout the world
[03:44] <TheMuso> bug 88908
[03:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88908 in murrine "[UVFe]  update to 0.51" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88908
[03:49] <rexbron> hey ajmitch, would you look at bug 88908. I need another ack for an UFV exception
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88908 in murrine "[UVFe]  update to 0.51" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88908
[03:51] <rexbron> or slomo_ or siretart, if you are online and have a second
[03:51] <rexbron> see ^
[04:10] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:10] <Nafallo> just to confirm. are bzr builddeb broken?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> I couldn't use it, so I presume so.
[04:10] <lifeless> ECHANNEL surely :)
[04:11] <Nafallo> lifeless: I want to bzr builddeb -e on mplayer, so no ;-)
[04:11] <lifeless> no, I think you do - #bzr is where builddeb plugin discussion happens
[04:11] <Nafallo> hehe, oki :-)
[04:12] <LaserJock> lifeless: how would be know that :-)
[04:12] <lifeless> 'bzr'
[04:12] <Nafallo> it's 4:11 here, and I chat with a nice girl, so not now anyway :-)
[04:12] <LaserJock> I assumed that it was an independent project
[04:12] <LaserJock> so not really that on-topic for #bzr
[04:13] <lifeless> LaserJock: well, its a plugin, but entirely ontopic
[04:14] <lifeless> just like bzr shelve, bzr baz-import, bzr git support, bzr hg support etc etc etc
[04:44] <Hobbsee> @ planet ubuntu
[04:45] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee ;-)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock!
[04:47] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso - seen planet?
[04:47] <TheMuso> Just refreshing my RSS reader now.
[04:48] <TheMuso> Or do you mean \sh_away's comment?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:48] <TheMuso> Well... Um, I dunno.
[04:49] <jdong> WHOA.
[04:49] <jdong> just read planet
[04:49] <jdong> I feel BETTEr now
[04:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:49] <jdong> Hobbsee: oh dear did you see that?
[04:49] <jdong> (what I did)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> jdong: nope, but please continue to make me laugh :)
 Oh vista does think it's 26 ***es in between my thighs
[04:50] <jdong>  CRAP WRONG CHANNEL
[04:50] <jdong>  please ignore that.
[04:50] <jdong> in this channel.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:50] <Hobbsee> oops :P
[04:50] <LaserJock> jdong: again? ;-)
[04:50] <jdong> laserJock: lol
[04:51] <jdong> wow
[04:51] <jdong> is that what Beryl does to you?
[05:03] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee 
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[05:12] <asantoni> lol, jdong, it's ok... two weeks ago I kept trying to copy and paste across a VNC session, and it resulted in me sharing my whole week's TODO list with 150 people in an IRC channel.
[05:12] <asantoni> good times
[05:12] <Hobbsee> ...ouch
[05:12] <jdong> :)
[05:12] <asantoni> :)
[05:13] <jdong> I still think analyzing dirty rap lyrics is worse :)
[05:13] <jdong> especially when you totally misunderstand them :D
[05:13] <asantoni> haha
[05:13] <asantoni> :D
[05:14] <jdong> and I'm a klutz at doing that :(
[05:14] <jdong> I have too many windows open....
[05:14] <jdong> I'd get a friend asking me the next day "WTF IS A SYNC REQUEST"
[05:19] <LaserJock> hmm, now I know why I don't do TODO lists or listen to rap ;-)
[05:19] <jdong> lol
[05:20] <jdong> good excuse
[05:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure you do :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon, what are you perkign over?
[05:50] <imbrandon> nothing, just walked in after a night at the pub
[05:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:51] <imbrandon> hows it going Hobbsee ?
[05:51] <imbrandon> ( and everyone )
[05:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seen planet yet?  :P
[05:51] <jdong> imbrandon: sexy.
[05:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i seen it, i felt about the same way as daniel stone
[05:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:52] <imbrandon> then again ther is a language barier, but still, thats just bad taste
[05:53] <jdong> it might be too late at night
[05:53] <imbrandon> as long as people dont discuourage you from doing what you want to do ( and i think personaly your strong willed enough not to let them ) then its all good
[05:53] <jdong> but I didn't totally comprehend what he was trying to say....
[05:53] <jdong> it sounds more drunken tirade-ish
[05:54] <imbrandon> jdong, he isnt native english so some things dont come accross as they should BUT her mentions he intended to be policticly incorrect sooooo.....
[05:54] <imbrandon> s/her/he
[05:54] <imbrandon> like i said night at the pub, nice typo's ;)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm going to respond back, but i'm thinking of waiting till zerlinna wakes up
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you stay away from that pub :P
[05:55] <TheMuso> Heya imbrandon.
[05:55] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso 
[05:55] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[05:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, please go easy though, maybe even ummm i dunno, just try not to start a gurl/guy war unless nessesary ;)
[05:56] <imbrandon> hehehe
[05:56] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[05:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.  oh of course.  no point starting up a girl/guy war, mainly because there arent too many girls to back me up :P
[05:56] <imbrandon> that data zerl post was kinda cool though
[05:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hahaha "i'm just one of the chicks" ;)
[05:57] <LaserJock> lol
[05:57] <imbrandon> speaking of i havent been in #ubuntu-women in a while
[05:57] <imbrandon> lol
[05:57] <LaserJock> I just wouldn't know what to say
[05:57] <imbrandon> ( in other words , i would back you Hobbsee )
[05:58] <LaserJock> my wife would probably get jelous ;-)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> he
[05:58] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[05:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock, your so seski ( /me stops now before this gets tooooooo OT )
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:58] <TheMuso> imbrandon: If you have a minute, could you please do me a favour, and install libportaudio0 on sparky? I want to do some testing with espeak, and need to make sure any endian issues are sorted out.
[05:59] <TheMuso> sorry, libportaudio-dev
[05:59] <imbrandon> TheMuso, sure give me about 2 min to login
[05:59] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Yeah no hurry.
[05:59] <imbrandon> btw siretart and ajmitch both are admins on all the buildd's too incase i'm not arround
[05:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:01] <imbrandon> TheMuso, done
[06:01] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Thanks heaps.
[06:01] <imbrandon> np
[06:02] <imbrandon> just sparky or ppc and x86 too ?
[06:02] <TheMuso> no, sparky is fine. I have ppc and x86, so can test on those.
[06:02] <imbrandon> kk
[06:04] <TheMuso> haha
[06:04] <imbrandon> ok sooooo whats going on in MOTU land the last 48 hours? anything interesting ?
[06:04] <imbrandon> i want sometihng MOTUish to blog about
[06:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:04] <imbrandon> :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kubuntu bug day!!!
[06:04] <Hobbsee> er, week!
[06:05] <TheMuso> imbrandon: A call to let us know if there are any apckages that need php love?
[06:05] <imbrandon> started monday right Hobbsee ?
[06:05] <imbrandon> TheMuso, good call
[06:06] <LaserJock> yeah, we should give a "shout out" for specific areas we need tested
[06:06] <imbrandon> i'll give one about the php4 trans
[06:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: er, starts today, i think
[06:07] <imbrandon> but yea
[06:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea monday started 1 minute ago for me
[06:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:07] <imbrandon> man , i love this jono song
[06:08] <imbrandon> most of his stuff is "ok" but not my type of music
[06:08] <imbrandon> but this song rocks
[06:08] <imbrandon> ( reflections )
[06:15] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you mentioned my name..
[06:22] <imbrandon> yes ... ?
[06:22] <imbrandon> just stating that you could install stuff also , TheMuso seemed to have been waiting on me
[06:23] <imbrandon> not that i mind, just letting him know
[06:23] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Well, I wasn't in a hurry, and I didn't know if ajmitch was around.
[06:23] <TheMuso> And it came to mind when you were, so there. :)
[06:23] <imbrandon> true true ;)
[06:24] <imbrandon> man alcohol makes you sleepy
[06:24] <imbrandon> err ... yea
[06:25] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:25] <ajmitch> don't make me thirsty
[06:25] <TheMuso> haha
[06:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:25] <imbrandon> i just returned fromt he pub ajmitch 
[06:25] <imbrandon> the*
[06:25] <imbrandon> err
[06:25] <imbrandon> damnit
[06:25] <TheMuso> hahaha
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <TheMuso> Heya dholbach.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach!
[06:47] <dholbach> hey TheMuso, hey Hobbsee
[06:50] <ajmitch> hi dholbach 
[06:52] <dholbach> hey andrew
[06:55] <LaserJock> hi dholbach 
[06:55] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[06:57] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:59] <Hobbsee> i mean, i know more or less waht i want to say, but i hate trying to phrase it
[06:59] <ajmitch> "DIE DIE DIE"?
[06:59] <ajmitch> ;)
[07:00] <TheMuso> heh
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:01] <LaserJock> "Men stink!" as my wife might say ;-)
[07:02] <TheMuso> haha
[07:02] <ajmitch> zomg you mean I can actually meet girls on the intarweb?!
[07:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:03] <ajmitch> I think you spelt it correctly :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> right
[07:07] <jdong> Hobbsee: you spelled that eloquently.
[07:07] <jdong> Hobbsee: and our GTK IRC clients have spellcheck.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> so does wordpress, i forgot
[07:09] <ajmitch> you haven't caused enough havoc around here today, jdong ?
[07:09] <jdong> ajmitch: I love you too.
[07:10] <ajmitch> :)
[07:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:10] <LaserJock> jdong needs a braincheck
[07:10] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:11] <ajmitch> haha
[07:11] <jdong> laserJock: tried that; I just see red squiggles everywherer
[07:13] <Hobbsee> there :)
[07:14] <jdong> oh look at this! "You are trying to write a smartass comment that nobody  will find funny. Allow or Deny?"
[07:15] <ajmitch> lovely title of the blog post, Hobbsee ;)
[07:16] <ajmitch> well put
[07:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: *grin*
[07:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've forgotten waht the old one was, though...
[07:19] <ajmitch> old one?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> the bitchy psycopath, was it?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> or the pyscopathic bithc
[07:19] <Hobbsee> or the pyscopathic bitch
[07:19] <ajmitch> oh right
[07:19] <ajmitch> I think this one can be a bit more complimentary :)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, i think so too
[07:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Great post./
[07:35] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: thanks!  :D
[07:39] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: What is this "brain" you speak of?
[07:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee stole mine
[07:42] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You have a brain?
[07:42] <ajmitch> harsh
[07:42] <Fujitsu> I thought you'd been zombie-packaging.
[07:43] <Amaranth> I had mine removed to make room for a faster graphics card
[07:43] <Amaranth> oooh, shiny!
[07:43] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Now that's a good idea! We should all do that, run Beryl, and crash.
[07:45] <Amaranth> if you run compiz instead you last 0.2 seconds longer before you crash
[07:45] <LaserJock> I don't know
[07:45] <Fujitsu> And that makes all the difference.
[07:46] <LaserJock> you put in the wrong chemicals and you get wobbly windows and throw up
[07:46] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[07:50] <Amaranth> If you'd kept the other bits you wouldn't worry about remembering the answer
[07:51] <TheMuso> ROFL
[07:56] <cbx33> hi all...
[07:57] <cbx33> just written my first c++ program
[07:57] <cbx33> how do i go about packaging it
[07:57] <cbx33> like automake and the like 
[07:57] <cbx33> does automake produce confiugre?
[07:57] <dholbach> http://openismus.com/documents/linux/automake/automake.shtml
[07:59] <cbx33> thanks dholbach 
[07:59] <cbx33> you rock
[07:59] <dholbach> de rien :)
[07:59] <dholbach> thanks
[07:59] <nixternal> cbx33: rm -rf *.cpp
[07:59] <nixternal> ;p
[07:59] <cbx33> oi
[07:59] <LaserJock> pete pete
[07:59] <nixternal> haha
[07:59] <cbx33> LaserJock, is that a don;t go
[07:59] <cbx33> I know you love me man
[07:59] <cbx33> ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[07:59] <LaserJock> gimme a few hours to sleep ( I *do* do that) and I can help you
[08:00] <cbx33> LaserJock, wow relaly?
[08:00] <cbx33> you have time?
[08:00] <cbx33> ok cool ping me gmail style when you are awake
[08:00] <LaserJock> for you, alway ;-)
[08:00] <LaserJock> *always
[08:00] <nixternal> hey, you two take it elsewhere
[08:00] <cbx33> thanks dude
[08:01] <cbx33> quick LaserJock 
[08:01] <LaserJock> well, I know it's the only way I'll get you to make a decent tarball out of it
[08:01] <nixternal> oh lord
[08:01] <nixternal> hahahaha
[08:01] <cbx33> our plan worked lets steal his wallet and his identity
[08:01] <nixternal> I fainted and got owned
[08:01] <nixternal> cbx33: dont' even have a dollar in it, and you can have my identity, and the debt that goes with it
[08:01] <cbx33> LaserJock, oi!
[08:01] <cbx33> had enough debt to last me for a while
[08:01] <nixternal> hehe
[08:02] <cbx33> right I'm off to work guys
[08:02] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock 
[08:02] <cbx33> soeak to you soon
[08:02] <cbx33> s\soeak/speak
[08:02] <cbx33> s/\//
[08:02] <cbx33> :p
[08:02] <cbx33> later all
[08:03] <nixternal> heh
[08:05] <TheMuso> dholbach: I assume that applies to any C/C++ project, re automake etc?
[08:05] <crimsun> you can actually use it with langs other than C and C++, too
[08:06] <LaserJock> ok, I'm outta here
[08:06] <dholbach> TheMuso: yeah
[08:06] <crimsun> it's just...well, interesting
[08:07] <TheMuso> crimsun: Yeah I know.
[08:07] <man-di> TheMuso: automake has e.g. Java support (a very bad one...but it has)
[08:14] <zakame> afternoon all :D
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[08:16] <Fujitsu> man-di: You were wondering about motujava, weren't you?
[08:16] <man-di> Hello zakame 
[08:16] <man-di> Fujitsu: right
[08:16] <man-di> zakame: motujava is ... inactive?
[08:16] <zakame> yo man-di! :D nice seeing you here
[08:16] <zakame> yes, sadly :/
[08:17] <zakame> yo Fujitsu
[08:17] <man-di> zakame: my plan would be to revive it and merge it Deban Java Maintainers
[08:17] <zakame> ooh!  that would be nice indeed
[08:17] <man-di> s/it/it with/
[08:17] <man-di> zakame: thats the only way it makes sense to me
[08:17] <man-di> on the long run
[08:18] <man-di> and to solve some issues we have in Debian....
[08:18] <man-di> like manpower
[08:18] <zakame> sure, that would be good :D  I want to learn more about Java too and help out eventually
[08:18] <man-di> but motujava seem to have the same problem
[08:18] <man-di> many people not doing anything ;-)
[08:19] <zakame> yeah, actually I've received mails from the people listed on the motujava list on how they could help out
[08:19] <man-di> zakame: the first thing I wanna do is to merge all java packags for feisty+1 and etch+1
[08:20] <man-di> zakame: bug have someone actually did something?
[08:20] <man-di> s/bug/but/
[08:20] <zakame> not really :/
[08:20] <man-di> btw: mail about pp2 is nearly done
[08:21] <man-di> zakame: sorry for the delay
[08:21] <zakame> yay! can't wait for it :D
[08:23] <man-di> zakame: I would have one, maven2 packaging ;-)
[08:24] <zakame> man-di: hmm... that's something... my cousin is an active maven contributor so I could probably get some tips from her about packaging it :D
[08:25] <zakame> Fujitsu: what over-18 restriction?
[08:26] <zakame> ah, http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60278&topic=10730
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Ja.
[08:26] <zakame> Fujitsu: not 18 yet?
[08:26] <Fujitsu> I'm not even 16.
[08:27] <zakame> whoa I actually thought you're older than me :D
[08:28] <Fujitsu> Interesting.
[08:30] <man-di> zakame: just joking, I'm actively working on packaging it, but its a total mess. it needs itself to build from source
[08:30] <zakame> man-di: needs itself?
[08:31] <man-di> you need maven to build maven from source
[08:31] <man-di> its a hen-egg bootstrapping problem
[08:32] <man-di> like you need a C compiler to build your initial C compiler for a new architecture
[08:32] <zakame> ah
[08:32] <man-di> totally horrible
[08:37] <zakame> can't there be something like a minimal maven-builder package that has the bits for a full maven to be built?
[08:37] <zakame> or would that involve upstream redesigning the build process, if ever?
[08:41] <man-di> zakame: that is how I do
[08:41] <man-di> zakame: its just a LOT of work to get everything right
[08:43] <zakame> indeed :(
[09:09] <ajmitch> Seveas: you are a bad, bad man
[09:09] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Heheheheh.
[09:10] <Fujitsu> There just had to be that photo...
[10:17] <hypa7ia> Sp4rKy: qucs is still busted :(
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> hypa7ia: ??
[10:19] <hypa7ia> Sp4rKy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2006-11-22.html
[10:20] <hypa7ia> you're apparently the only other person who actually tried it :)
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[10:21] <Fujitsu> What's the issue with it?
[10:22] <hypa7ia> it relies on freehdl-config
[10:22] <hypa7ia> which isn't packaged or listed as a dependency
[10:22] <hypa7ia> http://www.freehdl.seul.org/
[10:22] <Fujitsu> How broken is it without it?
[10:22] <hypa7ia> qucs is a circuit sim
[10:23] <hypa7ia> without freehdl it can't actually simulate circuits :)
[10:23] <hypa7ia> it can make pretty drawings of them though!
[10:23] <hypa7ia> but not actually run them
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:25] <hypa7ia> ktechlab seems to work though
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> "The French parliament has chosen Ubuntu for all the Members of Parliament computer (and assistants). Linagora and Unilog will provide support for those 577 'political' computers."
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> hurray!
[11:15] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: Yup.
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> now, if only we could get the finnish one to do that...
[11:22] <tepsipakki> Q-FUNK: good luck ;)
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> tepsipakki: I, for one, welcome our new klingon MP
[01:26] <StevenK> imbrandon: Damn it, install on xauth on *.ubuntuwire.com so -X actually works.
[01:26] <StevenK> s/install on/install/
[02:41] <jaalto> imbrandon, can you check if my GPG key got updated to REVU keyring 
[02:42] <jaalto> imbrandon, keyid 955A92D8
[02:42] <crimsun> I can just resync it
[02:42] <crimsun> presuming you've already joined the correct LP team
[02:43] <jaalto> crimsum, that'd be great. I've joined the ubuntu-universe-contributors and intended to upload a *.deb, but imbrandom notified that the key must be synched first. Could you see to it?
[02:44] <crimsun> sync running
[02:52] <crimsun> sync complete
[02:52] <jaalto> crimsum, thanks. Btw, do you know if Ubuntu lists has been registered to gmane.org as well (NNTP news gateway)?
[02:53] <zul> yes hey have
[02:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:55] <jaalto> zul, Thanks. found the. Do you know what is the gmane equivalent for  motu-reviewers@tauware.de? I didn't see it at first glance (Can I "PASTE" somewhere)
[02:55] <zul> it might not be subscribed
[02:56] <jaalto> zul, the only MOTU related list I saw was gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.universe
[02:56] <jaalto> Hm, I'll file requests to Gmane
[03:25] <jaalto> crimsum, I uploaded truecrypt-installed to REVU. Following the REVU wiki and logging in to revu.tauware.de with my EMAIL + "recover" returns an encrypted message. This however does not contain the announced password, only word "None". Does this mean that the package has not yet arrived to queue?
[03:26] <jaalto> s/truecrypt-installed/truecrypt-installer/
[06:04] <Seveas> ajmitch, ?
[06:12] <bddebian> Isn't there a C for dummies channel somewhere on here?
[06:22] <jdong> bddebian: you mean I'm in the wrong room?
[06:23] <bddebian> No I'm struggling with a multi-dimensional char array issue
[06:26] <jdong> bddebian: just overallocate and everything will be fine. Vista did it and it's working out for them...
[06:48] <bigon> siretart: are you there?
[06:54] <shawarma> imbrandon: Can you install python-fuse on sparky, please?
[07:11] <Adri2000> pochu: gaim-extendedprefs 0.5-5ubuntu1 could have been 0.5-5build1 with no maintainer change, no?
[07:18] <geser> Adri2000: according to the changelog it should be build1 and changing Maintainer wouldn't be necessary
[07:35] <pochu> Adri2000: yep, you are right
[07:35] <pochu> Adri2000: I didn't know, will do the next time! :)
[07:36] <pochu> Adri2000: then, there is no need to fit the new maintainer spec?
[07:36] <Adri2000> pochu: no, it's not needed for a rebuild
[07:37] <pochu> Adri2000: ah, ok
[07:37] <pochu> thanks!
[07:37] <jdong__> LaserJock: lol
[07:37] <LaserJock> "I know where you live"
[07:37] <jdong> :)
[07:40] <\sh> moins
[07:41] <LaserJock> hi \sh 
[07:45] <ScottK> Hi all.
[07:46] <LaserJock> hi ScottK 
[07:47] <ScottK> Howdy LaserJock
[07:48] <sacater> LaserJock: my 01welp.co.uk server has failed, please add me on jabber with sacater@gajim.org
[08:04] <ajmitch> morning
[08:04] <fernando> ajmitch: moin
[08:04] <LaserJock> hola ajmitch 
[08:04] <zul_> hey ajmitch 
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:07] <Lutin> any clues about why bittorrent-gui depends on python-wxgtk2.6 whereas the code wants only 2.4 ?
[08:10] <ajmitch> someone switched the dependencies without looking at the code?
[08:11] <jdong> to prepare for bittorent 5.0.0 uploads
[08:13] <zul> *groan*(
[08:14] <Lutin> weird thing is that wxgtk2.4 isn't detected when installed
[09:46] <LaserJock> that's really unbelievable
[09:47] <Lutin> LaserJock: all those join/part ?
[09:48] <LaserJock> no
[09:48] <LaserJock> -devel
[09:48] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: (slackware 96 -> rh 4.2 -> various newer RHs, Debian potato, woody, sid, warty, change of architecture, hoary, breezy, dapper,  edgy, feisty)
[09:48] <ajmitch> ah, the upgrades
[09:48] <ajmitch> yeah, I wasn't quite brave enough to do a manual switch from mandrake to debian
[09:49] <LaserJock> I can't really see how we should expect users to never reinstall
[09:49] <LaserJock> but it'd be awesome if they at least didn't *have* to
[09:49] <ajmitch> why do you reinstall so often?
[09:50] <stgraber> usually I simply try to keep my /home and some /etc setting + dpkg -l, but for the rest I like to start with a really clean system (means without my hacks everywhere :))
[09:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: stuff doesn't work -> reinstall
[09:51] <LaserJock> although lately it's more for testing
[09:51] <ajmitch> crazy :)
[09:51] <LaserJock> since Edgy has been out I've bounced between dapper, edgy and feisty several times
[09:52] <LaserJock> on the 3 machines I run Ubuntu on
[09:54] <LaserJock> however, before I landed with Ubuntu I averaged 2-3 weeks between installations
[09:54] <stgraber> Usually I reinstall to check that I have the same system as any other user would have, because you can be sure after some months none of the main config file stays untouched on my computer :) and then if someone ask you something you can't explain the way to do on a "normal" ubuntu :)
[09:54] <LaserJock> so a seperate /home was often used ;-)
[09:54] <geser> I've installed Debian in Oct 2000 -> Debian unstable -> breezy -> dapper -> edgy
[09:55] <geser> and then I triggered that XFS bug that crashed my XFS
[09:55] <LaserJock> now you all are making me feel silly
[09:55] <stgraber> these last weeks/months I'm trying to use a more clean system, try to use package everywhere it's possible, use an ubuntu kernel, use the generated xorg.conf, ...
[09:55] <LaserJock> just because an installation doesn't last more than 6 months for me
[09:56] <stgraber> On a stable system (I mean Edgy) the installation last way more than 6 months for me, but as I currently only have my server on Edgy the average reinstallation time is the space between two Herds :)
[09:56] <geser> I forgot there was a reinstall when I bought my AMD64 and install the newly Debian AMD64 port than
[09:56] <ajmitch> average install time is however long I've had the hardware
[09:57] <ajmitch> sometimes longer if I move disks from one box to another
[09:58] <LaserJock> so do you use like qemu or vmware for testing?
[09:58] <xhaker> (:
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not usually
[09:58] <geser> I have still those cross-graded installation on i386, perhaps I should update it to feisty :)
[09:58] <LaserJock> my issue has been, how do I know what a user's going to get if I keep my install that long?
[09:59] <ajmitch> make sure you don't do silly things when upgrading :)
[09:59] <LaserJock> hmm?
[09:59] <ajmitch> debian was built around providing decent upgrades
[09:59] <LaserJock> but they aren't that great, from my experience
[10:00] <LaserJock> it's almost always been easier/better for me to reinstall than dist-upgrade
[10:00] <ajmitch> I often picked a set of packages to upgrade at a time
[10:01] <LaserJock> update-manager seems to work a bit better than dist-upgrading, when it works
[10:01] <xhaker> i usually leave openoffice behind
[10:01] <ajmitch> Lure: congrats
[10:01] <Lure> ajmitch: ?
[10:01] <ajmitch> silly sabdfl forgot to CC you ;)
[10:02] <Lure> ajmitch: oh, just got launchpad mail... ;-)
[10:02] <LaserJock> congrats!
[10:02] <ajmitch> see launchpad.net/~lure
[10:02] <Lure> ajmitch, LaserJock: thanks!
[10:03] <ajmitch> oh I see that the beta ui finally shows where we've been most active
[10:04] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:05] <LaserJock> I miss the emblems most of all though
[10:05] <jetsaredim> is there a mirror for cdimage??
[10:05] <ajmitch> Lutin: what else do you have to convince the MC with to approve your application?
[10:06] <LaserJock> jetsaredim: yes, you can find them on Launchpad
[10:06] <jetsaredim> LaserJock: can you be a little more specific?
[10:06] <LaserJock> jetsaredim: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[10:07] <LaserJock> oh, maybe that's not right though
[10:07] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if those are cdimage.u.c mirrors or not
[10:07] <LaserJock> but you should be able to find quite a bit of stuff there
[10:08] <crimsun> jetsaredim: se.archive
[10:08] <crimsun> ajmitch: I'm still awaiting a response [to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000039.html ] 
[10:08] <jetsaredim> LaserJock: I'm actually looking for the daily images
[10:09] <Lutin> crimsun: I'm still trying to write a decent answer
[10:09] <crimsun> Lutin: sure.
[10:10] <LaserJock> jetsaredim: the mirror that crimsun gave you is about the only one I know of
[10:11] <crimsun> (it doesn't host dailies that I know of)
[10:11] <shawarma> Have any of guys ever tried writing a fuse file system?
[10:11] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh, fine then ;-)
[10:11] <jetsaredim> the daily server is only xferring at like 15-20K/sec
[10:12] <crimsun> jetsaredim: try a different time of day, and keep rsync
[10:12] <LaserJock> rsync is the way to go for sure
[10:13] <jetsaredim> what's the difference if its an iso?
[10:13] <crimsun> you only suffer the initial download once
[10:13] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Heh. I get around 330K/sec
[10:14] <jetsaredim> hmm - my connection is at least 150K
[10:15] <shawarma> Mine's 100Mbit.
[10:16] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Is it the i386 one?
[10:16] <jetsaredim> yea
[10:16] <jetsaredim> feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[10:16] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Oh, you said server, didn't you?
[10:17] <shawarma> < jetsaredim> the daily server is only xferring at like 15-20K/sec
[10:17] <shawarma> :-)
[10:17] <jetsaredim> right
[10:18] <jetsaredim> hence me asking if there is a mirror
[10:18] <jetsaredim> which there apparently isn't
[10:19] <crimsun> yes, there is, but I don't know if the one here is public
[10:19] <jetsaredim> "here" being?
[10:19] <crimsun> there's one at gtilib.gatech, too, but I doubt you can get there
[10:19] <crimsun> here being my workplace, ncat.edu
[10:19] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Yes, but there are also daily images of the server version. I thought that was what you were after.
[10:20] <jetsaredim> crimsun: you can open the fw for me, I won't tell ;)
[10:20] <crimsun> I'm not an admin, sorry.
[10:21] <jetsaredim> was a joke
[10:22] <jetsaredim> shawarma: would it matter if it were the server version?
[10:22] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Probably not.
[10:22] <jetsaredim> the same server would still have the lousy throughput
[10:23] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Could you test your download rate from http://linux2go.dk/feisty-desktop-i386.iso ?
[10:23] <shawarma> jetsaredim: If it's any better, just wait another half an hour and it should be done downloading. Then you can get it from there.
[10:23] <crimsun> why don't you just grab the herd 5 and rsync?
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:24] <jetsaredim> want the livecd to test something
[10:24] <LaserJock> that should be fast though
[10:24] <crimsun> so grab the herd 5 desktop image and rsync against daily
[10:24] <crimsun> err, daily-live
[10:25] <jetsaredim> hmm
[10:25] <jetsaredim> what is the server to sync against?
[10:25] <LaserJock> cdimage.
[10:25] <jetsaredim> there some instructions on that?
[10:26] <jetsaredim> I don't want to mess with the underlying install that's on the machine I'm testing though
[10:27] <LaserJock> it wouldn't do anything, it's just an .iso download
[10:27] <crimsun> rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/feisty*i386.iso .
[10:27] <jetsaredim> it would just rsync in the livecd environment
[10:27] <LaserJock> no, you are rsyncing the .iso file
[10:27] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Did you test the bandwidth from http://linux2go.dk/feisty-desktop-i386.iso ?
[10:28] <jetsaredim> shawarma: hold on
[10:29] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Mind you: There complete is not there yet. I'm downloading it right now. It'll be done i 21 minutes, so if you get good bw from it, you can just wait another 25 minutes and then start downloading from that.
[10:30] <shawarma> Er.. "There complete is not there yet" means "The complete file is not there yet".
[10:30] <jetsaredi1> shawarma: yea like 180K
[10:30] <jetsaredi1> I can wait
[10:31] <jetsaredi1> thanks a ton!
[10:31] <shawarma> np
[10:31] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: I'll just ping you when it's done.
[10:31] <jetsaredi1> ok cool
[10:32] <shawarma> I'm not using nearly enough bandwidth on this thing anyway. :-)
[10:32] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:32] <shawarma> greetings
[10:33] <Lutin> hi
[10:33] <jetsaredi1> ok - have to step afk but I'll check back in like 20 min
[10:33] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[10:33] <sistpoty> hi shawarma, Lutin and LaserJock
[10:33] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: alright
[10:33] <shawarma> geser: have you ever used fuse for anything?
[10:34] <shawarma> geser: Or are you just uploading it for fun? :)
[10:35] <sistpoty> Lure: congrats and welcome to the team :)
[10:35] <Lure> sistpoty: thank you!
[10:36] <shawarma> Gawd, I hate stuff that you can only get help with on a mailing list. Who are these people who don't live on IRC? What's up with that?
[10:36] <LaserJock> shawarma: hmm, I wonder if they are trying to be productive or something
[10:37] <LaserJock> or maybe they're playing Mao
[10:37] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:37] <shawarma> LaserJock: Oh! Lucky buggers.
[10:37] <shawarma> LaserJock: Speaking of which.. You going to Seville?
[10:37] <shawarma> LaserJock: Have you decided yet?
[10:38] <LaserJock> I haven't gotten an email yet but I'm guessing I'll go at least for part of it
[10:38] <shawarma> Cool. 
[10:39] <LaserJock> told my LUG I'd try to score some free CDs so now I'm obligated ;-(
[10:39] <shawarma> I've got a few SoC applications flying around, so maybe that will buy me a sponsorship. :-)
[10:39] <shawarma> LaserJock: Hey, you're a student! You should sign up, too. :-)
[10:40] <LaserJock> hah
[10:40] <LaserJock> I don't think they'd take me
[10:40] <shawarma> Google or Ubuntu? :-P
[10:40] <LaserJock> either ;-)
[10:40] <shawarma> Nah, you have to be > 18 years old.
[10:41] <LaserJock> but I'm not CS or even related
[10:41] <shawarma> LaserJock: Doesn't matter.
[10:41] <crimsun> (remember you can mentor, too.)
[10:41] <stgraber> shawarma: yep, I've also seen that rule :(
[10:41] <LaserJock> there has been some SoC talk on the Blue Obelisk (chemistry FLOSS group) mailing list
[10:42] <crimsun> wow, jordan must be rolling in $ if he can just up and fly to sevilla
[10:42] <LaserJock> it'd be cool to get paid to work on gchemutils
[10:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: hah, hardly
[10:42] <LaserJock> I don't have enough money to fly much of anywhere
[10:42] <LaserJock> or drive for that matter
[10:42] <shawarma> "Computer Science does not need to be your field of study in order to participate in the program."
[10:42] <geser> shawarma: the later, I've seen it fixes a critial bug and tried to get it into feisty
[10:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: I just have to rely on Mark's good graces ;-)
[10:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: lucky for some
[10:43] <LaserJock> shawarma: interesting
[10:43] <shawarma> geser: Ok.
[10:43] <shawarma> LaserJock: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60279&topic=10730
[10:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: based on your statement above, you must be tight with the sabdfl
[10:44] <shawarma> I really should look the URL's I post before hitting return. I dread the day I for some reason have a goatse.cx URL in my pastebuffer and do the quick middle-click+return trick.
[10:45] <shawarma> geser: Ok. I'm working an a fuse file system and it's acting up, so I was hoping to find someone with the magical hints. :-)
[10:46] <geser> shawarma: what problems do you have?
[10:46] <LaserJock> crimsun: not really, no. Had breakfast with him once, that's about it :-)
[10:46] <jdong> shawarma: no goatsex links in here please
[10:46] <jdong> *ugh*
[10:46] <jdong> I knew it didn't look right
[10:46] <jdong> sorry about that.
[10:46] <shawarma> jdong: I'll try my best.
[10:46] <shawarma> jdong: That's the point.
[10:46] <crimsun> well, y'all have fun in sevilla.
[10:46] <jdong> shawarma: I thought this was a different channel... AGAIN
[10:46] <jdong> shawarma: I was wondering why you're in #ubuntuforums
[10:46] <shawarma> geser: Well, it may be behaviour by design... Are other users not supposed to be able to use stuff that I've mounted?
[10:47] <shawarma> jdong: !? what?
[10:47] <shawarma> jdong: It's an imposter!
[10:47] <jdong> lol
[10:47] <shawarma> either that or I've been doing to craaaazy typing.
[10:47] <jdong> shawarma: no, I thought for the 2nd time in 2 days that this room is #ubuntuforums :)
[10:47] <crimsun> /dev/disk/by-uuid/58E475CEE475AEBE on /media/sda1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[10:47] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'd rather have you go :(
[10:48] <jdong> shawarma: I blame it on xchat-gnome HIG.
[10:48] <imbrandon> rello all
[10:48] <imbrandon> err hello
[10:48] <shawarma> imbrandon: Hi!
[10:48] <shawarma> crimsun: Oh!
[10:48] <shawarma> crimsun: Double oh!
[10:48] <ajmitch> jdong: hi imbrandon 
[10:48] <crimsun> (that corresponds to this fstab(5):  UUID=58E475CEE475AEBE /media/sda1     ntfs-3g    silent,umask=007,locale=en_US.UTF-8,gid=46 0 )
[10:49] <shawarma> crimsun: I wonder what "allow_other" does.... 
[10:49] <jdong> imbrandon: hi ajmitch
[10:49] <crimsun> err, ommited the trailing '1'
[10:49] <ajmitch> jdong: yeah ok..
[10:49] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon and ajmitch
[10:49] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty, what's up?
[10:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd think you'd need to be a decent programmer to be a SOC mentor
[10:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: well, I've finally got beer at home again :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> yay! :)
[10:53] <imbrandon> ello sistpoty 
[10:55] <illovae> hello
[10:55] <sistpoty> ajmitch: just had an idea today... do you think it might make sense (in case ubuntu-archive allows) to remove kde4 binary stuff before release? that way it would get autobuilt and could easily be taken to another repo, but we wouldn't have to deal with it for SRUs
[10:55] <jdong> sistpoty: apparently soyuz can't remove binaries...
[10:56] <jdong> at least the last time I've asked
[10:56] <sistpoty> jdong: that would be very suboptimal :/
[10:56] <crimsun> sistpoty: that would defeat the purpose of having those snaps, I think
[10:56] <ajmitch> sistpoty: a cheap hack to work around the lack of PPAs?
[10:56] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes
[10:57] <crimsun> at least from what I gather, the most compelling reason to have snaps in the archive is to make binaries available to early testers
[10:57] <sistpoty> crimsun: well, I don't see the purpose to have them in feisty, if they wouldn't get supported after release... but maybe I'm missing on s.th. here
[10:57] <sistpoty> crimsun: we could have new binaries in there for feisty+1?
[10:58] <ajmitch> there may even be actual (alpha/beta) releases by then
[10:58] <ajmitch> sistpoty: the point is, it shouldn't be the MOTUs needing to support them by SRUs
[10:58] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes, fully agreed
[10:59] <crimsun> I suspect binaries of updated snaps would be hosted on kubuntu.org
[11:00] <crimsun> [which would nearly obviate a set being in feisty IMO] 
[11:00] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we'd probably just ignore them like we ignore most of the kde stuff in universe anyway :)
[11:00] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:01] <ajmitch> I just don't see much use in having a snapshot in a released distro
[11:02] <sistpoty> maybe we should ask Riddell about that?
[11:02] <ajmitch> I mean, with things like imbrandon's build farm, there's not much of an obstacle to building packages for multiple distros
[11:03] <ajmitch> imbrandon: maybe you could setup stuff like wanna-build on there & be able to upload via ftp & have stuff autobuilt :)
[11:03] <sistpoty> *that* would definitely rock!
[11:03] <LaserJock> or get PPA going
[11:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:04] <ajmitch> which will happen first?
[11:04] <sistpoty> we can make bets ;)
[11:04] <ajmitch> even so, it'd be useful
[11:04] <LaserJock> well, I think PPA will be available for Feisty+1
[11:04] <ajmitch> you could have it autobuild stuff for dapper, edgy
[11:06] <ajmitch> hm
[11:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea thats my project for this week
[11:06] <ajmitch> oh suck, you don't have your boxes setup with LVM
[11:06] <imbrandon> and also have it wanna build against all the arches
[11:06] <ajmitch> that's what I was suggesting
[11:06] <ajmitch> autobuild against all arches
[11:06] <imbrandon> yea
[11:07] <ajmitch> I guess I could do LVM on loopback
[11:07] <imbrandon> i'm actualy sitting about 10 feet from the rack, i have no problems redoing them if wer need to change soem things
[11:07] <imbrandon> or soemthing like that
[11:08] <ajmitch> putting everything on LVM & leaving several GB unallocated would be great
[11:08] <imbrandon> also if you notice the mirror is going to be run of /mirror ( its a single 250gb sata drive i added last weeek ) on aurora
[11:08] <ajmitch> yeah I saw
[11:08] <ajmitch> maybe you could just turn that one into LVM
[11:08] <imbrandon> i havent changed the hostname yet or setup apache yet opn that ip
[11:08] <imbrandon> but i'll do that later today
[11:09] <imbrandon> that way the mirror is on the same box as the build network
[11:09] <sistpoty> damn... seems like I can't apologize with "I don't have access to that arch" now in bugreports any longer *g*
[11:10] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:10] <imbrandon> lol sistpoty 
[11:10] <sistpoty> hi TheMuso
[11:11] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso 
[11:12] <imbrandon> lo TheMuso 
[11:14] <crimsun> ajmitch: / sistpoty: how do you guys feel about MC sponsoring for Sevilla? =)
[11:15] <ajmitch> crimsun: it'd be great, but what do you think the chances would be?
[11:15] <sistpoty> crimsun: sounds great! however for 99% I won't have time to come :(
[11:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 173.315 seconds, 62.0 MB/s
[11:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you need RAID :)
[11:15] <imbrandon> yes very much, i just wanted to get these going then upgrade/implemtn them as we go
[11:16] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:16] <ajmitch> that was in ~ anyway
[11:16] <ajmitch> ajmitch@aurora:~$ sudo pvcreate /dev/loop0
[11:16] <imbrandon> plus aurora only has 2 drives ( and only one when i put it in production )
[11:16] <ajmitch> No program "pvcreate" found for your current version of LVM
[11:16] <ajmitch> bah
[11:16] <ajmitch> sucky thing
[11:17] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: It's done now. Probably has been for a while.
[11:17] <crimsun> sistpoty: / ajmitch: sorry, poor phrasing. I meant MC pooling to sponsor a person (or two)
[11:17] <ajmitch> needed to do /etc/init.d/lvm start
[11:17] <zul_> do do do
[11:18] <imbrandon> crimsun, just the MC or MOTU in general? i'd kick in a few $$ for someone
[11:18] <ajmitch> crimsun: depends on who's able to pony up some cash, so to speak :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have a MOTU pool
[11:19] <zul> ask canonical to put some money in
[11:20] <LaserJock> maybe System76 would be interested too
[11:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: I think MOTU sponsoring other MOTU would be fantastic
[11:20] <shawarma> LaserJock: What's that?
[11:20] <zul> then I could go to the carribean again
[11:20] <imbrandon> yea i dont think i can sponsor a whole persons trip but i could add a few $$ to the pool, yea we need to lookinto this
[11:21] <imbrandon> sounds like a great idea
[11:21] <trycyt> Hello.
[11:21] <trycyt> Hmm, I'm making a Debian package out of something that demands a user create a symlink to something.
[11:22] <trycyt> Here's the problem: if the package is to be generic, then it has to force dependencies of two packages.
[11:22] <trycyt> However, only one of them can be used.
[11:22] <trycyt> (Think like having two DM / WMs on the same TTY is impossible, but you can have GNOME or KDE for example by themselves)
[11:22] <trycyt> How can I make a package that tells the user to select at apt-get time?
[11:22] <trycyt> So let's say I apt-get install mypackage
[11:22] <trycyt> I need them to choose to which program they want a symlink.
[11:22] <trycyt> Where, when, and how should I do that?
[11:24] <jetsaredi1> shawarma: downloading - thanks
[11:24] <jetsaredi1> looks like ~ 1 hr
[11:24] <trycyt> Does anyone see a viable solution to my problem?
[11:26] <shawarma> trycyt: Are you familiar with the alternatives system?
[11:27] <trycyt> shawarma: Ah, only as a user though.
[11:27] <trycyt> I have used update-alternatives.
[11:28] <shawarma> trycyt: Right. That's probably what you want.
[11:28] <trycyt> Hmm, I'll look up on how to integrate that into a Debian package though.
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: There are plenty of examples out there already. gdm/kdm for instance.
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: Or nano/emacs/vim-tiny/vim/nvi
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: Xfree86/Xorg
[11:29] <trycyt> shawarma: I will definitely look it all up. Thanks for the suggestion :)
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: You can take a peek at those for hints.
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: No problem. 
[11:33] <sistpoty> crimsun: sorry, was afk right now... sounds like an excellent idea
[11:33] <trycyt> shawarma: In your opinion, which Debian package is of the highest quality that a newbie package maintainer would be able to use a reference?
[11:34] <shawarma> trycyt: I'd take one of the small editors (joe, nano or whatever). Those a probably the least scary and still do what they should.
[11:34] <ajmitch> crimsun: of course you have the fun problem of choosing someone to sponsor
[11:34] <trycyt> shawarma: Well, they'd also have to incorporate this update-alternatives deal we were talking about.
[11:35] <shawarma> trycyt: They do.
[11:35] <shawarma> trycyt: That's the point. :-)
[11:36] <shawarma> trycyt: /usr/bin/editor points to an editor that is chosen by update-alternatives
[11:37] <shawarma> Does anyone here have a relatively standard install of Ubuntu? COuld you check the permissions on /, please?
[11:37] <trycyt> shawarma: Oh yeah... hehe. Thanks again.
[11:37] <shawarma> trycyt: np
[11:37] <trycyt> shawarma: Sure, give me a second on the permissions deal.
[11:37] <shawarma> trycyt: cool
[11:38] <shawarma> trycyt: Just the output from 'ls -ld /' will do fine.
[11:38] <sistpoty> shawarma: drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 
[11:38] <shawarma> sistpoty: Oh, really?
[11:39] <shawarma> sistpoty: I wonder why mine's 775..
[11:39] <sistpoty> shawarma: howeve that's IIRC a late edgy install
[11:39] <sistpoty> (dist-upgraded to feisty)
[11:39] <shawarma> sistpoty: That's fine.
[11:39] <norsetto> quick question ....
[11:41] <norsetto> I made a couple of patches for some LP bugs lately. For them to be processed, should I just assign them to ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[11:42] <sistpoty> norsetto: iirc subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors (rather assigning the bugs to them)
[11:42] <lionel> norsetto: not assigned, subscribe UUS
[11:42] <norsetto> I see ... thanks!
[11:43] <norsetto> now gotta go change these assignments..... 
[11:54] <norsetto> btw, do you ever sleep stefan?
[11:56] <jdong> he does the half-brain-sleep thing
[11:56] <jdong> kinda like me, but like Ubuntu I can't figure out how to come out of it.
[11:57] <sistpoty> norsetto: which stefan do you mean?
[11:58] <jdong> the one who accounts for 50% of channel traffic the past 15 minutes :)
[11:58] <norsetto> the very one :)
[11:58] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:00] <TheMuso> Stefan is not the one you should be asking about sleep.
[12:01] <TheMuso> That honour I think goes to crimsun, aka Daniel Chen
[12:01] <ajmitch> back later
[12:01] <sistpoty> later ajmitch
[12:01] <sistpoty> TheMuso: definitely!
[12:01] <jdong> TheMuso: ironically, a kernel guy :)
[12:02] <jdong> but meh, his work is quite... sound.
[12:02] <TheMuso> jdong: No argument from me there.
[12:07] <harpreet> Hi Stefan - I am Sun, we had uploaded GlassFish application server on feb 22nd. We got lot of feedback from Daniel Holbach. We made quite a number of changes and wish to upload a set of packages up.
[12:07] <harpreet> I meant I am from Sun Microsystems :-)
[12:08] <harpreet> I had a brief conversation with you last time when we uploaded.
[12:08] <sistpoty> hi harpreet
[12:08] <harpreet> hi
[12:08] <sistpoty> harpreet: does revu make trouble again?
[12:09] <harpreet> No - I just wanted to let you know before I upload so that we dont catch you with surprise like last time :-)
[12:09] <sistpoty> harpreet: hehe
[12:09] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:09] <harpreet> :-)
[12:11] <harpreet> I just had 1 question - we do not sign the packages during debuild. We used gpg to sign the .changes files in a separate step.