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unikonwhats the command to clean out my install  & upgrade cache12:24
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cycrohello12:52
cycrohas ne1 used gdesklets?12:52
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kalikianacycro, Take the time to spell complete words. ;)12:58
cycrolol12:58
cycroHas anybody used gdesklets before?12:58
cycroI didn't know people were so stringy about spelling here.12:58
cycroI mean, it's the Internet12:58
cycroI must be right back.12:59
ice_worldlol01:00
ice_worldbtw01:00
ice_worldcan i reset the panels to default?01:00
ice_worldcus i looked into the panel manager and did something i cant undo01:01
kalikianaIf one shortens that much people like me wonder how serious a question really is if one doesn't care about words. Additionally it's easier to understand.01:01
ice_worldi have no panels atm or at least not any with any buttons on them :(01:01
kalikianaice_world, you can remove them and add them again01:01
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cycroOk01:02
cycroHow do I disable xubuntu from saving my session?01:02
cycroEvery time I log in it loads up some random programs I had open at one point01:03
graziecycro: if you close the random programs and save the session, next time the random programs will not start01:05
cycrooh01:05
cycrothanks, ill try tht01:05
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cycro..01:08
cycrobetter01:08
cycroBut why does it continue to run gdesklets even though it is not in my start up programs list?01:09
ice_worldkalikiana and they will have all the buttons etc back? cus i dont have the slighest clue on how to get em back01:09
cycroand why does every desklet by gdesklets have a window around it?01:09
cycroor rather i window decoration01:09
kalikianaice_world, If you remove and add the panels they'll be empty. You can however add anything again via right-click 'add'01:10
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kalikianacycro, 1) gdesklets might be in your xinitrc file 2) I didn't try gdesklets very much but there is wmctrl if you want to enforce removing the decoration.01:13
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doctordoogsomeone help clarify for me, as I can't get on ubuntu right now, will apt-get not install X11 itself or just desktop environments?01:30
Odd_Blokedoctordoog: Could you rephrase the question, I don't quite grasp what you mean.01:31
doctordoogsomebody accidentally shut off my computer abruptly, and when I boot it it appears as if X11 doesn't load properly. I am hoping to simply uninstall it and then reinstall it01:31
doctordoogis X11 one of the packages apt-get tells you it can't install01:32
Odd_BlokeNo, you can install it.01:32
erigbyxserver-xorg01:32
Odd_BlokeBut that is almost certainly not something you want to do.01:32
doctordoogwhat would you suggest I do?01:32
doctordoogis there any way I can try to reinstall parts of xubuntu without a clean install01:33
Odd_BlokeWell, explain the problem, for starters.01:33
doctordoogbasically, I was copying data from one hard drive to another and the computer got touched and shut off, and now when I boot xubuntu, it loads and when it gets to the point that it normally loads the desktop manager (gdm, xdm, whichever it is), instead it doesn't seem to recognize my graphics driver. my monitor displays a built in "check pc settings" sign that I usually get when I first install X11 and haven't configured it for my gr01:35
kalikianaType "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a Terminal to reconfigure X. Or turn off the splash if you are unable to see any error messages.01:35
doctordoogalright, I'll try that01:36
doctordoogcould you remind me the way to change the default runlevel in GRUB so that I don't boot into X01:37
Odd_Blokedoctordoog: When you do, use Ctrl-Alt-F{1-6}...01:37
doctordoogah, that selects the runlevel it boots into?01:38
Odd_Blokedoctordoog: No, sorry. When you boot into X, that'll get you a console.01:40
doctordoogaha01:40
doctordoogan X console or close out of X01:41
Odd_Blokedoctordoog: It'll just switch to a console, as if you'd closed X. X will, however, still be running.01:42
doctordoogalright, that should be good enough for me.01:43
doctordoogthanks. I'll go try it.01:43
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fizzlehey i just installed xubuntu, and my wireless connection wont work.... im not sure wjat to do01:55
Odd_Blokefizzle: What wireless card do you have?01:57
fizzlebelkin wireless g adapter01:57
fizzle802.11 54g01:57
Odd_Blokefizzle: You'll need to install drivers. There are a number of ways of doing this, none of which I know (as I'm lucky enough to have a card with (mostly) Free drivers). ndiswrapper is one of the best known/most used ways, so you may want to get friendly with Google regarding that.01:58
fizzleOdd_Bloke, it detects my card im linux as wlan0 it just wont do anything01:59
Odd_Blokefizzle: Yeah, you'll need drivers.02:00
fizzlek02:00
ice_worldhow do i get an ftp and ssh running?02:06
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fizzlexwhat is the admin password?02:08
Odd_Blokefizzlex: You should be using sudo, rather than switching to the root user.02:09
Odd_Blokeice_world: On your machine?02:09
fizzlexit says i need a password for sudo02:09
ice_worldyes02:09
Odd_Blokefizzlex: That's your own password.02:09
Odd_Blokeice_world: You'll need to install an FTP server and the SSH server.02:10
fizzlexic02:10
ice_worldssh isnt in from the start? :O02:10
fizzlexk02:10
ice_worldguess im spoiled02:10
Odd_Blokeice_world: It could be, I can't remember.02:10
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Odd_Blokeice_world: For SSH, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-openssh-server-installation-and-configuration/02:11
kalikiana!ssh02:11
ubotuSSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/02:11
Odd_Bloke!ftp02:12
ubotuFTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd02:12
Odd_Bloke!FTPd02:12
ubotuFTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP02:12
Odd_Blokeice_world: ^02:12
ice_worldthanks02:14
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spasticteapotAnyone know when Xubuntu with XFCE 4.4/Feisty will be done?02:22
kalikianaspasticteapot, XFCE 4.4.0 is already done ;)02:24
ice_worldwelcome to the future02:24
kalikianaDoes any of you use a version > 4.4.0 already?02:25
spasticteapotReally?02:26
spasticteapotI installed Xubuntu and I had a nastily buggy XFCE4.3.02:26
spasticteapotHuh?02:26
kalikianaspasticteapot, 4.4.0 is in Feisty, Edgy still has the Beta. You might update via the graphical installer from xfce.org (which is working safely for most users)02:27
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cellofellowaptitude went all screwy and wants to autoremove over a hundred packages.02:40
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cellofellowhi02:41
kalikianaso what did you remove? xubuntu-desktop? gnome?02:41
cellofellowit's like all of a sudden the packages that auto-installed these ones just disappeared. I didn't remove anything, except a repo DVD from my sources.list.02:42
cellofellowI was lending it.02:42
kalikianaHm. I heard that from somebody else before, but I have no idea what to do about it.02:47
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cellofellowgtg02:57
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spasticteapotkalikiana: When's Feisty due?03:01
kalikiana!feisty03:03
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)03:03
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DawnLighthey there03:09
DawnLightan evil javascript at a nasty website loaded something up and AVG says the MBR changed...03:10
Odd_Blokespasticteapot: I'm running the Feisty alpha version on both my desktop and laptop and have yet to experience any problems.03:10
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Odd_BlokeDawnLight: What OS/distro are you using?03:11
DawnLightwinxp03:11
kalikiana*lol03:12
kalikianaWindows Vista even has gksudo now :)03:12
Odd_BlokeDawnLight: The best we can do in this channel is point out that this wouldn't have happened using GNU/Linux and encourage you to install this instead of Windows.03:12
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DawnLightoh i am in the process of doing that03:13
DawnLightyou don't happen to know how i can fix the mbr?03:13
Odd_BlokeDawnLight: Do you have GNU/Linux installed on your computer as well as Windows?03:14
DawnLightno03:14
spasticteapotHello!03:14
spasticteapotOdd_Bloke: Hmm...perhaps I'll try it.03:14
spasticteapotI remember Xubuntu having a buggy desktop, support for very few packages, and having no functional network manager.03:14
spasticteapotAt least Mepis works.03:14
Odd_Blokespasticteapot: Of course, I have to tell you that YMMV. :p03:14
spasticteapotDawnLight: Be warned: Linux will NOT work out of the box, but at least hte problems are fixable.03:15
Odd_BlokeDawnLight: Then I'd find a Windows support channel.03:15
Odd_Blokespasticteapot: That's complete FUD.03:15
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spasticteapotFUD?03:15
Odd_Bloke!FUD03:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:16
kalikianaspasticteapot, What version was it that was so buggy?03:16
Odd_BlokeBah.03:16
spasticteapotXubuntu Edgy.03:16
spasticteapotXFCE 4.303:16
kalikianaWhich one of these is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD03:16
Odd_Blokespasticteapot: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. GNU/Linux works fine out of the box. There are some applications and libraries that need to be installed in order to get things like MP3 etc. working, but those are entirely due to the law, not due to Linux 'not working'.03:17
Odd_Blokehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt03:17
Odd_BlokeAnd wasn't an entirely accurate description.03:17
Odd_Blokes/FUD/lies/03:18
kalikianaspasticteapot, That'S interesting. I have been using Xubuntu since Dapper and what you are talking doesn't fit the description of what I had back then. :/03:18
spasticteapotOdd_Bloke: If I can't freaking drag things on and off the desktop, it does NOT work.03:18
Odd_Blokespasticteapot: You're doing it wrong.03:18
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Odd_BlokeDesktop icons didn't exists until 4.4.03:19
Odd_BlokeIf FF didn't automatically download to the Desktop on install, I'd never use the desktop anyways.03:20
kalikianaThey appeared in some 4.4 Beta, but I don't need them nontheless.03:20
kalikianaDownloads are actually the only reason to use a Desktop folder for me.03:21
Odd_Blokespasticteapot: What do you need the desktop for anyhow?03:21
PuMpErNiCkLeThe Desktop is an extremely convenient place for in-use or frequently-used files.03:23
Odd_BlokePuMpErNiCkLe: There must be some way of shoving files in a menu on the panels.03:24
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PuMpErNiCkLeIf that's what you want, go for it.03:25
Odd_BlokePuMpErNiCkLe: I'm just suggesting that as an alternative to using the Desktop.03:26
Odd_BlokeWith the added advantage of not needing to show the desktop to see said files.03:26
Odd_BlokeOr you could have a 'desktop folder' and launch Thunar pointing at it using a button on the panel...03:27
Odd_BlokeOr, you could upgrade to 4.4. ;)03:27
PuMpErNiCkLeOr use a keyboard shortcut to launch the file browser.  Whatever you want, man.03:28
Odd_BlokePuMpErNiCkLe: Indeed. Just trying to suggest a few things to spasticteapot.03:28
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s|khrm04:04
s|kis fluxbox available on xubuntu?04:04
Odd_Blokes|k: Almost certainly. Why do you ask?04:06
s|kjust wondering04:07
Odd_Blokes|k: Check on packages.ubuntu.org, that's probably best.04:07
s|kOdd_Bloke: thanks :)04:08
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chris13ok I have a question that should be somewhat simple to answer04:45
chris13What do I do if I want to copy a file to a folder and it tells me permission denied?04:46
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kalikianachris13, You can do 'gksudo Thunar', type your user password and drag the file in that window as Thunar will have super user (root) rights for it. But be careful about that.05:01
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chris13Well I know for sure that I want to move the file05:02
chris13so I will do that05:02
chris13I'm just trying to get Firefox to be able to use local images05:03
chris13I made the .js file already05:03
chris13just need to put it in the right place05:04
chris13"Linux users: I assume that you know how to create a file if you're running Linux. Just create user.js in your profile folder."05:07
chris13So which folder exactly is my profile folder just to make sure I'm putting it in the right place?05:08
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's in ~/.mozilla/firefox/05:10
chris13ok05:12
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's the directory with the name that looks like a snippet of /dev/random.05:13
chris13what is the beggining of the path?05:14
chris13I'm pretty new to Linux in general05:14
PuMpErNiCkLe~/ is your home directory.05:15
chris13oh05:15
chris13guess the ~ confused me05:15
PuMpErNiCkLe.mozilla is a hidden directory (in your home dir).05:15
xubuser~ is a shortcut that expands to your home absolute path05:16
chris13and where do I go to make the hidden ones visible?05:16
chris13found it05:17
xubuserchris13: "ls -a" will list all hidden files in the current directory05:17
chris13I'm using Thunar05:17
chris13so it was just a preference05:18
xubuserups, sorry05:18
chris13w265gyjz.default?05:18
PuMpErNiCkLeThat's the one.05:18
chris13is that where I put it in05:18
chris13I'm in ~/.mozilla/firefox/05:18
PuMpErNiCkLeIn w265gyjz.default.05:19
chris13ok05:19
chris13looks like it anyways05:19
chris13some other .js files in there05:19
chris13now we will see if it makes my local image pack work05:19
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chris13the only other minor issue I was having is orage showed the popup for my appointment but never actually played the sound it was supposed to play05:21
PuMpErNiCkLeDoes sound work otherwise?05:22
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chris13yes sound works05:25
chris13I can play all the popular sound formats too05:25
chris13I got mp3s working05:26
chris13does xarchiver not preserve folder structure?05:27
chris13seems to just take all the files and ignore all folders in the archive05:28
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PuMpErNiCkLeI can't find any bugs for sound in orage, and I don't use it personally, so I'm afraid I can't help you there.05:37
chris13ok I got orage working05:37
chris13the application for playing the sound was set incorrectly05:37
chris13The Xarchiver thing is annoying though05:37
chris13which archiving program do you use?05:38
Odd_Blokechris13: tar on the command line. :p05:39
Odd_BlokeOr zip etc.05:39
chris13and that preserves the folder structure in the archive?05:39
chris13I'd just not like to have to rebuild the directory tree structure in the archive manually05:40
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xubuserdoes anybody knows why firefox is so memory consuming?07:09
meborcit's one of the dilemmas of the world07:09
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Eagle_101xubuser: lol, um becuase it keeps a huge cache07:09
Eagle_101there are ways to tell it to quit cache'ing07:10
xubuseryes, i've been doing that, but still, it takes more than 40 MB with just one tab opened07:11
xubuseri'm thinking to give opera a chance07:13
meborci use opera right now07:14
meborcoly because the new version of it starts up twice as fast as ff07:14
meborconly*07:14
hyper_chhuhu07:15
meborcopera 9.10 that is07:16
hyper_chwhat about swiftfox?07:16
xubuseri'm using opera now, it takes about 17 MB, more than a half of memory used by firefox07:17
xubuserwhat is swiftfox?07:17
meborci have not tried swiftfox, as i have a transmeta cpu :)07:17
xubusersorry, i mean less than a half07:18
meborchttp://getswiftfox.com/releases.htm - swiftfox optimizes the use of browser according to your cpu07:19
xubuseri see07:20
xubuserbut, it don't resolve the memory leak07:21
meborcno, but swiftfox is also lighter... you might try it...07:21
xubuseri will give it a try07:22
meborcit is also installable via automatix2 (it was a few months ago anywayz)07:22
xubuseri'm getting the deb package rigth now, thanks07:23
hyper_chmeborc: I would not install things through automatix07:24
meborc:) i don't do it miself... as i use feisty...07:24
hyper_chso do I :)07:25
hyper_chgot Konversation?07:25
meborcno...07:25
hyper_chI still need confirmation of a bug :)07:25
hyper_chwell, someone else must have it also :)07:25
meborci try not to run kde apps under xfce07:26
hyper_chwhy not?07:26
meborcas i have a really crappy lappy07:26
meborc:)07:26
hyper_chmeborc: ah :)07:26
meborcand kde apps usually load a lot of kde lib's... which take a lot of memory... (a lot of memory for me atleast)07:27
hyper_chI use Xfce because I like it best as Desktop Environment and not because of my specs :)07:27
meborcoh... good for you07:27
meborc:)07:27
meborcxfce rocks07:27
xubusermerboc: what are you specs?07:27
hyper_chI run quite a bit of kde appz :)07:27
meborci have a old desknote laptop with 256 ram, transmeta 1ghz cpu (equal to 600mhz intel i guess), SIS integrated video07:28
xubuseri see07:29
hyper_chmeborc: it's not too bad ..... seen xubuntu running on "worse" machines :)07:29
hyper_chmeborc: I think with the 256mb ram it runs quite ok?07:29
meborcyeah... it runs nice... but i try not to hog the system :)07:29
meborcthe memory usage is not the worst... my cpu hits 100% even with 2 small tasks... transmeta really doesn't rock at all :(07:30
meborc:)07:30
graziehyper_ch: I can do a quick test under virtualbox if that helps?07:30
hyper_chgrazie: I can do that myself but didn't have time yet :)07:31
hyper_chvirtualbox and vmware :)07:31
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graziehyper_ch: did you have problems with the guest additions on VirtualBox?07:33
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hyper_chgrazie: what do you mean by guest additions?07:33
graziehyper_ch: additional sw that makes it easier to integrate with the host os. Vmware has something very similar07:35
hyper_chhaven't tried them yet07:36
graziehyper_ch: you can install it from the Devices menu...but the mouse goes awol when I tried it on one OS.07:36
hyper_chhaven't tried it yet07:37
hyper_chgrazie: did you tell the dev in #virtualbox?07:37
grazieno yet07:37
grazienot*07:37
hyper_ch:)07:39
grazieI was going to quickly install Konversation, but its got 15 dependencies :(07:41
meborci had 10 dependencies in feisty today :)07:42
meborcinstalled it... but didn't like it07:42
meborcxchat is more familiar for me07:42
xubuserwhat is konversation? a irc client for kde?07:43
meborcy07:43
xubuseri'm using irrsi, is nice if you are in one or two channels only07:44
Odd_Blokexubuser: I'm using irssi in 36 channels and it's great.07:44
grazieI see there's a direct link to launchpad in the Fiesty menu now07:47
xubuserOdd_Bloke: Oh, i haven't read the full documentation yet, that's a good new07:47
hyper_chirssi is the only way for me at university to make use of irc in a decent way07:48
xubuserI was using gaim, but get tired of his autoconnect "feature"07:49
Odd_Blokehyper_ch: Same here, to an extent.07:50
Odd_BlokeThe Computing Society have servers, so I use irssi+screen.07:50
hyper_chOdd_Bloke: university blocked irc ports so I use ssh to run irssi from home07:50
Odd_Blokehyper_ch: :(07:50
meborcwhat is the diff between irrsi vs irssi?07:50
hyper_chOdd_Bloke: my roommates normally have p2p running so vnc is not really an option07:50
Odd_Blokehyper_ch: I have yet to find a graphical IRC client as good as irssi...07:51
hyper_chkonversation :)07:52
Odd_Blokemeborc: Screen is an app that allows you to detach a console from your screen, reattaching it at some later point.07:52
Odd_Blokehyper_ch: I don't like it that much, plus kdelibs...07:52
hyper_chso,I'm off to university07:52
meborcyeah, but irssi and irrsi?... same thing?07:52
hyper_chI like it much07:52
meborcor one is with a screen thing?07:52
hyper_chmeborc: just a typing error I assume07:53
meborcno07:53
meborcmaybe :)07:53
Odd_Blokemeborc: irssi+screen is just irssi running inside a screen.07:56
meborcok... i'm new to irssi... so i'm going to read the howto-startup thing :) ...07:57
meborcnice to learn new things07:57
xubuserfinally, I've decided to stay with firefox08:03
xubuserwith pluggins, opera consume just 4 or 5 MB less08:04
xubuserit's not worthed, firefox is free software08:04
xubuser:-)08:05
Odd_Blokexubuser: Well, that's an arguable point...08:10
xubuseryou're right08:12
xubuserI have to say, firefox gaves you more freedom than opera08:12
xubuser*gives08:12
Odd_BlokeMostly, yeah.08:13
Odd_BlokeThough Iceweasel is freer...08:13
xubuserI'll try it08:13
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unimatrix9hello there09:27
Odd_Blokeunimatrix9: Hi.09:27
unimatrix9how low end  can the pc be for xubuntu?09:27
unimatrix9ram / cpu?09:27
Odd_BlokeI don't really know, I'm afraid.09:30
looping_unimatrix9: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu they say ram is enough09:30
looping_64 of ram09:30
looping_and about 500MHz proc09:31
unimatrix9ok thank you very much...09:31
unimatrix9we will give it an try...09:31
unimatrix9:)09:31
looping_you should. :)09:32
looping_I'm very happy with my xubuntu. I just don't understand why my camera and OGG player can't be hotplugged09:33
looping_and I'm off09:34
Eagle_101a question, there is a tracker application that tracks running proccesses, shows you a graph of ram and cpu usage, ect, what is this thing called?09:37
looping_cpu or ram usage monitor09:42
Eagle_101mmm no thats not it, that is a panel plugin09:43
looping_oh, graph... sorry09:43
Eagle_101there is some application or something that lets you view running processes, and right click and kill them on command09:43
Eagle_101:S09:43
Eagle_101it was in the Xfce menu under system accessories or settings09:44
Eagle_101well I'm confused now :S09:47
Eagle_101lol09:47
Eagle_101I will be back and see if I happened to install it...09:47
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pzlerhey could someone please help me to find a tutorial on how to install software on a computer without internet access?10:46
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qsrvhi10:51
qsrvI'm thinking of moving to xubuntu from ubuntu. My question is - what do you use for wireless roaming (managing the various profiles, etc.). Are there any tools like gnome's network-manager?10:52
Eagle_101pzler: mmm I don't have a clue as to that one10:52
Eagle_101qsrv: the software is the same10:52
Eagle_101you can use gnome's network manager in xubuntu if you wish10:52
Eagle_101the primary differnce between the two is the Desktop enviroment that they use (GNOME verus Xfce)10:53
Eagle_101!wireless10:53
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs10:53
Eagle_101as you see, we use ubuntu's docs ;)10:54
qsrvah, thanks10:55
pzlerwell atleast that means it's not a stupid question ;)10:55
Odd_Blokepzler: You'll want to get a hold of the appropriate .deb packages and transfer them across.10:56
Odd_BlokeYou'll have to do all the dependency management yourself if you do it that way, so it may well not be ideal...10:57
pzleryeah but it is the only way10:57
pzlercan i acces the depositories as a ftp site?10:58
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gerroxubby rulez!11:18
gerro=D11:18
EagleZzZgood11:20
EagleZzZpzler: I don't know11:20
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pzleri think i will just drag my computer to a place with internet acces11:31
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ice_worldcould anyone tell me how i turn off the screen saver?11:54
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TheSheepice_world: settings -> setting manager -> scrensaver12:04
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ice_worldahh12:06
ice_worldthx TheSheep12:06
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ice_worldanyone know if it possible to show date/month/yea instead of month/date/year in orage clock?12:26
ice_worldi dont fancy beeing in decemeber again :(12:26
TheSheepice_world: it uses the format from your locale12:28
TheSheepice_world: you can use orage clock instead -- it will allow you to specify the exact format you want12:29
ice_worldthats what im using12:29
ice_worldi can only find one command for dates tho12:29
TheSheep%d/%m/%Y12:30
TheSheepsee man strftime for details12:30
ice_worldthanks12:30
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ice_worldlocale is that same as location or language i have choosen?12:31
TheSheepyes12:31
viddNo manual entry for strftime12:32
vidd?12:32
TheSheepvidd: apt-get install manpages-dev12:32
TheSheepvidd: or use one of the many online man pages services12:32
TheSheephttp://www.hmug.org/man/3/strftime.php12:33
ice_worldwtf12:34
ice_worldi made a quick launch bar12:34
ice_worldwith some of the default buttons and then i pressed one of em and now the panel is gone :O12:34
TheSheepalt+f2, xfce4-panel, enter12:35
TheSheepthe quicklaunch bar is pretty buggy12:35
TheSheepit crashed your panel12:35
viddice_world, was the button a "close" button?12:35
viddlol12:35
ice_worldhehe no :p12:35
viddI so wish windows had a command line12:36
ice_worldcommand line?12:36
TheSheephttp://www.guidebookgallery.org/articles/facetofacewithopenlook <-- an article from 1988, and they are already bitching that Unix (no linux back then) is not good for desktops because developers don't care about GUI12:37
vidddoing tech support over the phone would be SO much easier12:37
TheSheepvidd: no it woudn't12:37
TheSheepvidd: you want to spell the urls?12:37
TheSheepvidd: besides, windows does have a command line12:38
viddits better then trying to get these "wonderful customers" thru the maze of icons to get to "internet options"12:38
TheSheepvidd: ipconfig12:38
viddit has a command promt12:38
TheSheepvidd: you can do anything you can do with icons with it12:38
ice_worldwhen i make a shortcut for the quicklaunch i choose an icon and then type a command for whats it suposto do?12:39
TheSheepvidd: of course you'd first need to know how12:39
TheSheepice_world: why don't you use the normal launchers?12:39
TheSheepice_world: they are much better developed12:39
ice_worldcus i dont know of them ^^12:39
TheSheepice_world: the very first option in the "add to panel" menu12:40
ice_worldi installed xubuntu yesterday and my linux experience before this is minimal12:40
ice_worldlol :p12:40
ice_worldso where do i find the terminal?12:40
TheSheepice_world: in system, I believe12:41
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TheSheepice_world: the command is 'Terminal', capitalised12:41
viddyes...unless you add the dapper menu to your ~/.config/xfce/Desktop12:41
ice_worldgreat12:42
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TheSheepvidd: why?12:42
ice_worldpastebin?12:42
vidd!paste12:42
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:42
ice_worldcool12:42
ice_worldi haveto do some work now tho12:43
ice_worldcya later12:43
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viddhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10004/ ice_world12:44
viddloose the numbers and name it munu.xml12:44
viddTheSheep, cuzz i LIKE it'12:45
viddthey NEVER should have 86'ed it12:45
TheSheepI guess that everyone just rolls their own menu sooner or later12:46
TheSheepgrouping the submenus and adding the separators is a good idea, for example12:46
TheSheep I also removed the icons from some of the submenus12:47
TheSheepso only the important ones stand out12:47
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viddso having a ready made one i like is a plus12:47
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TheSheepvidd: hint: if you put a submenu named 'Aceessories' and then the include *after* that, thei ncluded items won't create a new submenu, but will be put into the one you created...12:48
TheSheepAccessories12:48
TheSheepand same with other submenus12:48
TheSheepso you can arrange them as you want, give them icons, add separators12:48
TheSheepyou can even add items inside12:49
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vidd=[12:51
viddlater all12:51
TheSheepsame here12:51
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ice_worldwhen im looking in the synaptic package manager there are some packets that have an ubuntu logo, what does it mean?03:07
Odd_Blokeice_world: They are in the main Ubuntu repos, I believe...03:08
TheSheepice_world: they are supported by Canonical03:08
ice_worldi see03:08
ice_worldbut who needs support when theres this great channel? ^^03:08
TheSheepwhich means that Canonical will actually pay for getting them fixed/modified03:09
ice_worldcool03:09
ice_worldbtw how long has this synaptic package manager been out? its just amazing03:10
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ostbagarnweee03:12
ice_worldanyone using xchat?03:13
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ice_worldroot? :p03:15
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KboyKowboyhey xubuntus04:19
Roryhi04:20
KboyKowboyhey rory - working about on my newly installed xubuntu04:20
KboyKowboylooks great! my old crap pc is running again ;-)04:21
Roryi use xubuntu on my laptop04:29
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Roryit's great04:29
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robinlinthHow to get mac-like features in Xfce? Expose, spotlight, the Dock, live video previews, stuff like that..05:48
ice_worldwhat is xfce4-menu-plugin?05:56
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BFTDdum dee dum05:59
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ostbagarnwhat is an .rpm file?06:21
ostbagarnsimilar to .deb?06:22
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oopsycan someone link me to a ndiswrappers guide06:56
oopsyplease?06:57
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grazie!wifi | oopsy07:02
ubotuoopsy: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:02
robinlinthSo, i'm looking to get all features of Mac OS X.. Something like Spotlight, expose, stuff like that. And easy drag 'n drop to panels. Simple said: a storage system i can use easily, as i save lots of stuff on my PC. It has to be lightweight, as my computer can't handle heavy stuff like GNOME or KDE, or too heavy applications. So, can anyone help me with this?07:05
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oopsydoes python come with xunbutu?07:06
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frtmonsterhi, i have a 3 yr old celeron laptop with 256 ram, i want to tweak it using the ram swap here : http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed  - how much value should i set it to?07:07
grazieoopsy: yes07:11
robinlinthI'm looking to get all features of Mac OS X.. Something like Spotlight, expose, stuff like that. And easy drag 'n drop to panels. Simple said: a storage system i can use easily, as i save lots of stuff on my PC. It has to be lightweight, as my computer can't handle heavy stuff like GNOME or KDE, or too heavy applications. So, can anyone help me with this?07:11
robinlinthoops, sorry for the repost.07:11
robinlinthI'm kinda used to that, as I game much.07:11
frtmonsterI tried playinng dvd using mplayer and it says 'FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)'07:12
graziefrtmonster: have you installed any codecs?07:14
frtmonstergrazie: yes07:15
graziefrtmonster: is libdvdcss installed?07:16
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frtmonstergrazie: yes, but can you give me the full name so i will try again07:18
frtmonstermaybe because i installed that lib before i installed mplayer i don't know07:18
graziefrtmonster: have you tried any of the other video drivers in the preferences?07:20
frtmonstergrazie: i've tried a few yes07:21
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graziefrtmonster: is that the first error message that gets output?07:22
frtmonstergrazie: that's what i see yes07:25
graziefrtmonster: what kind of formats can mplayer handle?07:26
frtmonsteri playe avi yesterday07:27
frtmonsterwith vlc07:27
frtmonsteri'll try xine player07:27
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looping_grazie: mplayer can handle every format you provide it with appropriate codecs07:33
looping_as xine07:33
grazielooping_: not for frtmonster ^^ :)07:33
looping_oops sorry, didn't follow the whole discussion07:34
looping_i'm off.07:34
graziedon't worry about it07:35
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frtmonsterreoccurding :p07:47
frtmonsterhi, i installed the dvd library, xine, vlc, and mplayer, i have a laptop with a cdrom+dvd in one drive and i still can't get to see a fluent picture\sound this is the error i get in mplayer:  FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)07:47
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IVBela!vnc07:56
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX07:56
frtmonsterhey where did my trash can went in XFCE?07:56
IVBelaright click on your panel, select add item, and ass the trash applet07:58
IVBelamaybe You removed it by mistake07:58
frtmonsterthanks07:59
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IVBelaYou're welcome07:59
IVBelaYAY! i helped someone! \o/08:00
IVBela<-- is using ubuntu for some weeks only08:00
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ostbagarnhehe08:00
ostbagarngj08:00
IVBelaumm, guys, anyone knows how to make vnc work on xfce? just installed xubuntu-desktop, it worked in gnome, but can't find here ^^;08:01
IVBelamaybe i should install tightvnc server? o.O08:01
frtmonsterhow can i get the debian menu to run on XFCE? i've already installed the pacakge08:01
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robinlinthHow to enable compositing support in Xfce?08:04
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robinlinthHow to enable compositing support in Xfce?08:05
grazierobinlinth: here's a couple of links08:06
grazierobinlinth: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html08:06
grazie!compositor | robinlinth08:06
uboturobinlinth: For instructions on how to enable the compositor in Xubuntu, please see http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en#xcomposite08:06
robinlinththanks! :D08:07
grazienp08:07
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robinlinththat documentation from xfce link is broken.,08:11
robinlinthcheck it out yourself, grazie08:11
grazierobinlinth: i guess someone needs to tweak the bot...thanks08:13
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frtmonsterthis is what happens when i try to play dvd's http://rafb.net/p/7AIPwI38.html08:22
hyper_chfrtmonster: you need to install decss08:28
hyper_chlibdvdcss208:28
hyper_ch!libdvdcss208:29
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages08:29
frtmonsterhyper_ch:  i already have it08:29
hyper_chare you sure?08:29
frtmonsterlet me check08:30
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frtmonsterubotu: what's the apt get command for it08:31
hyper_chubotu is a bot :)08:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is a bot :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:32
frtmonsterhyper_ch: i mean :)08:32
hyper_chyou need to add Seveas' repository to your own and then you can install it08:32
frtmonsteri have08:32
frtmonsterwhat is the apt get command tho08:32
frtmonsternm i did it08:33
frtmonsterthis is prolly the 3rd time i install it08:33
frtmonsterbut i'll try anyway08:33
frtmonsterinteresting08:33
frtmonsterPackage libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.08:33
frtmonsterThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or08:33
frtmonsteris only available from another source08:33
frtmonsterE: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate08:33
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frtmonsterhyper_ch: what do you suggest i should do08:39
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graziefrtmonster: you can either follow the link hyper_ch gave you  or install libdvdcs2 using easyubuntu08:45
grazie!easyubuntu | frtmonster08:45
ubotufrtmonster: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu08:45
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robinlinthDoes anybody know a lighter version of Deskbar and Beagle?08:46
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frtmonsterubotu: what about automatix08:50
frtmonsterer08:50
frtmonstergrazie: what about automatix08:51
graziefrtmonster: I wouldn't recommend automatix08:51
frtmonsterwhy not08:51
frtmonstereveryone recommend it o_O08:52
grazieuse it then08:52
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robinlinthfrtmonster, it fucks up your system by touching things that are not meant to be touched.08:53
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frtmonsterrobinlinth: ok08:58
frtmonster;i08:59
frtmonsterer08:59
frtmonsteri have some window in xfce which is out of my reach i can't see the button in the bottom of it to approve it, how can see the entire window or something? (maximizing does not help)09:00
robinlinthmove it by holding the alt key and dragging the window to where you want it09:01
frtmonsterrobinlinth: wtf, nice, how did you know that09:04
robinlinthfrtmonster, i use it every day, it's in the manual..09:04
frtmonstergood 2 know09:05
robinlinthDoes anybody know a lighter version of Deskbar and Beagle?09:07
frtmonsterheh i just wanted to install beagle09:07
frtmonsterare you saying it's bloated?09:07
frtmonstermy celeron probably wouldn't handle it nice anyway09:07
robinlinthit's bloated, yeah..09:12
robinlinthtoo bloated. But there's an alternative, called tracker.09:12
robinlinthnow for a lighter version of the deskbar.09:12
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joe4444how do i unmount my ipod?09:13
grazierobinlinth: you may also want to look at catfish >> http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=catfish09:15
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robinlinthgrazie, how to get that in xubuntu?09:16
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grazierobinlinth: erm... that's a source package on the website so you'd need to compile it...I'm sure there's .deb package somewhere though09:19
frtmonsterhow can i check how much room i have left on my hd09:20
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frtmonsternm09:21
graziejoe4444: can you not right click on the ipod icon and select unmount?09:22
grumpymolefrtmonster: df -h09:23
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zzazahi all09:33
frtmonsterthanks09:33
joe4444grazie, i don't even get an ipod icon09:38
joe4444the ipod shows "Do not disconnect" but i don't think it's been mounted09:39
graziejoe4444: it shouldn't be mount by just plugging in, so unplugging shouildn't be a problem09:41
joe4444even tho it says do not disconnect?09:41
graziejoe4444: When do you get "Do not disconnect"?09:42
joe4444right after i plugged it in09:42
joe4444i tried the "reboot" trick (hold MENU and center button) but when it starts up again the do not disconnect message is still there09:42
graziejoe4444: where does the message come ... (i don't have an ipod)09:42
joe4444on the ipod screen09:43
joe4444in windows i could unmount the ipod and the message would disappear but it would continue charging09:43
joe4444of course windows probably auto-mounts it09:44
grazieit you want to be extra careful you could unplug when powered down09:44
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graziejoe4444: do you get any icons appearing on your desktop?09:45
joe4444i unplugged it while rebooting the ipod09:45
joe4444no09:45
joe4444when i plug it in, shouldn't i see a new device in the list when i run the "mount" command?09:45
joe4444or does that only show devices already mounted?09:46
graziejoe4444: Application > Settings > Desktop Settings. Is "Allow Xfce to manage ther desktop" checked?09:47
joe4444i'm actually in ubuntu now09:48
joe4444installed xubuntu then added ubuntu-desktop09:48
joe4444can i open desktop settings with a command?09:48
joe4444or is it specific to xfce?09:48
graziethere may be commands, but I don't what they are. If that setting is unchecked icons may not appear on the desktop09:51
hyper_chhiho09:51
graziehello hyper_ch09:51
frtmonsterhow can i add apps to the applications menu in xfce09:51
hyper_chwhat's up dude?09:51
hyper_chfrtmonster: by editing the menu entires09:51
frtmonsterright click and 'edit menu' ?09:52
frtmonsterbecause i don't see the applications there09:52
joe4444grazie, well i have a 2nd hard disk that appeared on my desktop automatically09:52
frtmonsterhyper_ch :)09:52
TheSheepfrtmonster: it's better to create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications09:52
TheSheepfrtmonster: and pressure the app makers to include that file in their application09:53
frtmonstermm09:53
frtmonsterTheSheep: ok09:53
frtmonsterTheSheep: but where are the folders of the menu located?09:53
frtmonsterin share/applications?09:53
TheSheepfrtmonster: they are not folders, they are 'categories'09:54
TheSheepfrtmonster: you specify them in the .desktop files09:54
frtmonsterTheSheep: i can't access them from sunar?09:54
frtmonsteris ee09:54
TheSheepfrtmonster: see some of the existing ones09:54
frtmonsterok09:54
frtmonsterthunar*09:55
frtmonsterthanks09:55
frtmonsterTheSheep: i'm in share/applications - whta is the name of the file09:56
TheSheepfrtmonster: for which app?09:57
frtmonsteri see09:57
frtmonsterfile.desktop is a shortcut?09:57
frtmonstersec i'll open it with a text editor09:57
frtmonstermm10:10
frtmonsterhow can i check how much RAM i have10:10
frtmonsterfree -m10:11
frtmonsteri have a celeron laptop with 185 ram, how much swap should i set, i want to tweak it according to here - http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed10:13
hyper_chfrtmonster: hmmm, normally it's 2-3 times of your ram... I guess I'd set about 500mb10:16
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frtmonsterhyper_ch: i'm talking about  /etc/sysctl.conf  how much should i set vm.swappiness10:16
hyper_chno clue10:17
frtmonstercool10:17
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looping_hyper_ch: hello, from which part of Switzerland are you from?10:30
hyper_chlooping_: why?10:30
hyper_chJe ne suis pas Suisse Romand10:30
looping_ok10:31
looping_je suis n  genve10:31
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hyper_chand I was born in solothurn10:36
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ice_worldif i install something with synaptic packet manager, how can i find it later? :p10:40
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Blais1lo all10:43
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Blais1I'm trying to access a windows machine from Xubuntu, can anyone explain to me the most straight forward way to do this?10:45
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hyper_chBlais1: VNC10:48
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Blais1oh really?10:48
Blais1I just want to browse the shared folders10:48
hyper_chBlais1: well, depends on what you want10:49
Blais1can't I use Samba?10:49
hyper_chyou can10:49
hyper_chgrazie: you're here?10:49
graziehyper_ch: yes10:50
hyper_chgrazie: you got vbox running on feisty?10:50
graziehyper_ch: never tried.....did all my feisty testing on ppc10:51
hyper_chah ok10:51
hyper_chI just wonder whether I shall try to the edgy .deb or use svn and compile it on my own10:51
Blais1How about Linneighbourhood?10:52
hyper_chBlais1: what about it?10:52
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Blais1it's a program I found in the package Manager that apparently lets me browse Windows Networks10:53
Blais1that's I may be on10:53
hyper_chthen try it10:54
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Blais1I don't trust everything I see on Synaptic package Manager10:55
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Blais1well it seems to work10:58
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frtmonsterhey again11:14
frtmonsteri try to open a midi file with 'kmid' and it says some other program uses the /dev/sequencer/ - what's the prob here?11:14
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frtmonsterugh, how can i stop the touchpad in the laptop from working?11:26
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R[a] ndomfrtmonster, hammer?11:44
R[a] ndomhonestly no idea, but I was using a dell the other day that made me want to kill.  when I typed my palms would touch the touchpad and the cursor would get relocated11:45
R[a] ndomso I can see how you'd want to kill it11:45
frtmonsternevermind :)11:47
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spasticteapotAnyone here?12:10
spasticteapotAnd, if so, could they tell me if Xubuntu-Fiesty is availible yet for download?12:10
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looping_spasticteapot: I think it's available in beta12:11
spasticteapotCool.12:11
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lesshastecan someone remind me where I can set the hibernate/sleep options?12:12
spasticteapotIf I install Xubuntu Unstable, will it turn into Feisty Stable if I run the update program after it's released? Or do I need to reinstall (again)?12:12
lesshasteI want to stop i sleeping when I close the lid of my laptpo12:12
lesshastehello ?12:14
spasticteapotNo idea, sorry.12:14
lesshaste:((12:15
looping_lesshaste: nothing inthe parameters menu?12:15
lesshastelooping_, where is that?12:16
looping_spasticteapot: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/12:16
looping_lesshaste: for me, at the top of xfce menu.12:16
lesshastethe Applications menu?12:16
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looping_spasticteapot: usually, you don't have to reinstall in order to get from beta to release12:16
looping_lesshaste: yes12:17
looping_you have something like "Parameters" or else. It's in french for me. "Settings" maybe ?12:17
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lesshasteI found the settings menu12:18
lesshastethere isn't anything about hibernation is there ?12:18
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looping_if your laptop was correctly detected by the install system, you should maybe have a menu like ACPI or something like that...12:19
ormiretlesshaste: the low level settings are in /etc/acpi/, if you're running something like gnome-power-manager that will be where to set it.12:20
lesshasteormiret, I am running gnome-power-manager12:20
ormiretright click on it and select preferences then12:21
lesshasteok thanks12:21
ormiretactually loks like left click gets the same menu...12:22
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neozengot a question guys12:23
neozenhow can I get linux to display a history of logins12:23
neozenas in... who logged in when.... from where... and how long they were logged in12:23
ormiretlook in /var/log/auth.log12:24

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