[12:24] <unikon> whats the command to clean out my install  & upgrade cache
[12:52] <cycro> hello
[12:52] <cycro> has ne1 used gdesklets?
[12:58] <kalikiana> cycro, Take the time to spell complete words. ;)
[12:58] <cycro> lol
[12:58] <cycro> Has anybody used gdesklets before?
[12:58] <cycro> I didn't know people were so stringy about spelling here.
[12:58] <cycro> I mean, it's the Internet
[12:59] <cycro> I must be right back.
[01:00] <ice_world> lol
[01:00] <ice_world> btw
[01:00] <ice_world> can i reset the panels to default?
[01:01] <ice_world> cus i looked into the panel manager and did something i cant undo
[01:01] <kalikiana> If one shortens that much people like me wonder how serious a question really is if one doesn't care about words. Additionally it's easier to understand.
[01:01] <ice_world> i have no panels atm or at least not any with any buttons on them :(
[01:01] <kalikiana> ice_world, you can remove them and add them again
[01:02] <cycro> Ok
[01:02] <cycro> How do I disable xubuntu from saving my session?
[01:03] <cycro> Every time I log in it loads up some random programs I had open at one point
[01:05] <grazie> cycro: if you close the random programs and save the session, next time the random programs will not start
[01:05] <cycro> oh
[01:05] <cycro> thanks, ill try tht
[01:08] <cycro> ..
[01:08] <cycro> better
[01:09] <cycro> But why does it continue to run gdesklets even though it is not in my start up programs list?
[01:09] <ice_world> kalikiana and they will have all the buttons etc back? cus i dont have the slighest clue on how to get em back
[01:09] <cycro> and why does every desklet by gdesklets have a window around it?
[01:09] <cycro> or rather i window decoration
[01:10] <kalikiana> ice_world, If you remove and add the panels they'll be empty. You can however add anything again via right-click 'add'
[01:13] <kalikiana> cycro, 1) gdesklets might be in your xinitrc file 2) I didn't try gdesklets very much but there is wmctrl if you want to enforce removing the decoration.
[01:30] <doctordoog> someone help clarify for me, as I can't get on ubuntu right now, will apt-get not install X11 itself or just desktop environments?
[01:31] <Odd_Bloke> doctordoog: Could you rephrase the question, I don't quite grasp what you mean.
[01:31] <doctordoog> somebody accidentally shut off my computer abruptly, and when I boot it it appears as if X11 doesn't load properly. I am hoping to simply uninstall it and then reinstall it
[01:32] <doctordoog> is X11 one of the packages apt-get tells you it can't install
[01:32] <Odd_Bloke> No, you can install it.
[01:32] <erigby> xserver-xorg
[01:32] <Odd_Bloke> But that is almost certainly not something you want to do.
[01:32] <doctordoog> what would you suggest I do?
[01:33] <doctordoog> is there any way I can try to reinstall parts of xubuntu without a clean install
[01:33] <Odd_Bloke> Well, explain the problem, for starters.
[01:35] <doctordoog> basically, I was copying data from one hard drive to another and the computer got touched and shut off, and now when I boot xubuntu, it loads and when it gets to the point that it normally loads the desktop manager (gdm, xdm, whichever it is), instead it doesn't seem to recognize my graphics driver. my monitor displays a built in "check pc settings" sign that I usually get when I first install X11 and haven't configured it for my gr
[01:35] <kalikiana> Type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a Terminal to reconfigure X. Or turn off the splash if you are unable to see any error messages.
[01:36] <doctordoog> alright, I'll try that
[01:37] <doctordoog> could you remind me the way to change the default runlevel in GRUB so that I don't boot into X
[01:37] <Odd_Bloke> doctordoog: When you do, use Ctrl-Alt-F{1-6}...
[01:38] <doctordoog> ah, that selects the runlevel it boots into?
[01:40] <Odd_Bloke> doctordoog: No, sorry. When you boot into X, that'll get you a console.
[01:40] <doctordoog> aha
[01:41] <doctordoog> an X console or close out of X
[01:42] <Odd_Bloke> doctordoog: It'll just switch to a console, as if you'd closed X. X will, however, still be running.
[01:43] <doctordoog> alright, that should be good enough for me.
[01:43] <doctordoog> thanks. I'll go try it.
[01:55] <fizzle> hey i just installed xubuntu, and my wireless connection wont work.... im not sure wjat to do
[01:57] <Odd_Bloke> fizzle: What wireless card do you have?
[01:57] <fizzle> belkin wireless g adapter
[01:57] <fizzle> 802.11 54g
[01:58] <Odd_Bloke> fizzle: You'll need to install drivers. There are a number of ways of doing this, none of which I know (as I'm lucky enough to have a card with (mostly) Free drivers). ndiswrapper is one of the best known/most used ways, so you may want to get friendly with Google regarding that.
[01:59] <fizzle> Odd_Bloke, it detects my card im linux as wlan0 it just wont do anything
[02:00] <Odd_Bloke> fizzle: Yeah, you'll need drivers.
[02:00] <fizzle> k
[02:06] <ice_world> how do i get an ftp and ssh running?
[02:08] <fizzlex> what is the admin password?
[02:09] <Odd_Bloke> fizzlex: You should be using sudo, rather than switching to the root user.
[02:09] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: On your machine?
[02:09] <fizzlex> it says i need a password for sudo
[02:09] <ice_world> yes
[02:09] <Odd_Bloke> fizzlex: That's your own password.
[02:10] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: You'll need to install an FTP server and the SSH server.
[02:10] <fizzlex> ic
[02:10] <ice_world> ssh isnt in from the start? :O
[02:10] <fizzlex> k
[02:10] <ice_world> guess im spoiled
[02:10] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: It could be, I can't remember.
[02:11] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: For SSH, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-openssh-server-installation-and-configuration/
[02:11] <kalikiana> !ssh
[02:11] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[02:12] <Odd_Bloke> !ftp
[02:12] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[02:12] <Odd_Bloke> !FTPd
[02:12] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[02:12] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: ^
[02:14] <ice_world> thanks
[02:22] <spasticteapot> Anyone know when Xubuntu with XFCE 4.4/Feisty will be done?
[02:24] <kalikiana> spasticteapot, XFCE 4.4.0 is already done ;)
[02:24] <ice_world> welcome to the future
[02:25] <kalikiana> Does any of you use a version > 4.4.0 already?
[02:26] <spasticteapot> Really?
[02:26] <spasticteapot> I installed Xubuntu and I had a nastily buggy XFCE4.3.
[02:26] <spasticteapot> Huh?
[02:27] <kalikiana> spasticteapot, 4.4.0 is in Feisty, Edgy still has the Beta. You might update via the graphical installer from xfce.org (which is working safely for most users)
[02:40] <cellofellow> aptitude went all screwy and wants to autoremove over a hundred packages.
[02:41] <cellofellow> hi
[02:41] <kalikiana> so what did you remove? xubuntu-desktop? gnome?
[02:42] <cellofellow> it's like all of a sudden the packages that auto-installed these ones just disappeared. I didn't remove anything, except a repo DVD from my sources.list.
[02:42] <cellofellow> I was lending it.
[02:47] <kalikiana> Hm. I heard that from somebody else before, but I have no idea what to do about it.
[02:57] <cellofellow> gtg
[03:01] <spasticteapot> kalikiana: When's Feisty due?
[03:03] <kalikiana> !feisty
[03:03] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:09] <DawnLight> hey there
[03:10] <DawnLight> an evil javascript at a nasty website loaded something up and AVG says the MBR changed...
[03:10] <Odd_Bloke> spasticteapot: I'm running the Feisty alpha version on both my desktop and laptop and have yet to experience any problems.
[03:11] <Odd_Bloke> DawnLight: What OS/distro are you using?
[03:11] <DawnLight> winxp
[03:12] <kalikiana> *lol
[03:12] <kalikiana> Windows Vista even has gksudo now :)
[03:12] <Odd_Bloke> DawnLight: The best we can do in this channel is point out that this wouldn't have happened using GNU/Linux and encourage you to install this instead of Windows.
[03:13] <DawnLight> oh i am in the process of doing that
[03:13] <DawnLight> you don't happen to know how i can fix the mbr?
[03:14] <Odd_Bloke> DawnLight: Do you have GNU/Linux installed on your computer as well as Windows?
[03:14] <DawnLight> no
[03:14] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[03:14] <spasticteapot> Odd_Bloke: Hmm...perhaps I'll try it.
[03:14] <spasticteapot> I remember Xubuntu having a buggy desktop, support for very few packages, and having no functional network manager.
[03:14] <spasticteapot> At least Mepis works.
[03:14] <Odd_Bloke> spasticteapot: Of course, I have to tell you that YMMV. :p
[03:15] <spasticteapot> DawnLight: Be warned: Linux will NOT work out of the box, but at least hte problems are fixable.
[03:15] <Odd_Bloke> DawnLight: Then I'd find a Windows support channel.
[03:15] <Odd_Bloke> spasticteapot: That's complete FUD.
[03:15] <spasticteapot> FUD?
[03:16] <Odd_Bloke> !FUD
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <kalikiana> spasticteapot, What version was it that was so buggy?
[03:16] <Odd_Bloke> Bah.
[03:16] <spasticteapot> Xubuntu Edgy.
[03:16] <spasticteapot> XFCE 4.3
[03:16] <kalikiana> Which one of these is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD
[03:17] <Odd_Bloke> spasticteapot: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. GNU/Linux works fine out of the box. There are some applications and libraries that need to be installed in order to get things like MP3 etc. working, but those are entirely due to the law, not due to Linux 'not working'.
[03:17] <Odd_Bloke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt
[03:17] <Odd_Bloke> And wasn't an entirely accurate description.
[03:18] <Odd_Bloke> s/FUD/lies/
[03:18] <kalikiana> spasticteapot, That'S interesting. I have been using Xubuntu since Dapper and what you are talking doesn't fit the description of what I had back then. :/
[03:18] <spasticteapot> Odd_Bloke: If I can't freaking drag things on and off the desktop, it does NOT work.
[03:18] <Odd_Bloke> spasticteapot: You're doing it wrong.
[03:19] <Odd_Bloke> Desktop icons didn't exists until 4.4.
[03:20] <Odd_Bloke> If FF didn't automatically download to the Desktop on install, I'd never use the desktop anyways.
[03:20] <kalikiana> They appeared in some 4.4 Beta, but I don't need them nontheless.
[03:21] <kalikiana> Downloads are actually the only reason to use a Desktop folder for me.
[03:21] <Odd_Bloke> spasticteapot: What do you need the desktop for anyhow?
[03:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The Desktop is an extremely convenient place for in-use or frequently-used files.
[03:24] <Odd_Bloke> PuMpErNiCkLe: There must be some way of shoving files in a menu on the panels.
[03:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If that's what you want, go for it.
[03:26] <Odd_Bloke> PuMpErNiCkLe: I'm just suggesting that as an alternative to using the Desktop.
[03:26] <Odd_Bloke> With the added advantage of not needing to show the desktop to see said files.
[03:27] <Odd_Bloke> Or you could have a 'desktop folder' and launch Thunar pointing at it using a button on the panel...
[03:27] <Odd_Bloke> Or, you could upgrade to 4.4. ;)
[03:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or use a keyboard shortcut to launch the file browser.  Whatever you want, man.
[03:28] <Odd_Bloke> PuMpErNiCkLe: Indeed. Just trying to suggest a few things to spasticteapot.
[04:04] <s|k> hrm
[04:04] <s|k> is fluxbox available on xubuntu?
[04:06] <Odd_Bloke> s|k: Almost certainly. Why do you ask?
[04:07] <s|k> just wondering
[04:07] <Odd_Bloke> s|k: Check on packages.ubuntu.org, that's probably best.
[04:08] <s|k> Odd_Bloke: thanks :)
[04:45] <chris13> ok I have a question that should be somewhat simple to answer
[04:46] <chris13> What do I do if I want to copy a file to a folder and it tells me permission denied?
[05:01] <kalikiana> chris13, You can do 'gksudo Thunar', type your user password and drag the file in that window as Thunar will have super user (root) rights for it. But be careful about that.
[05:02] <chris13> Well I know for sure that I want to move the file
[05:02] <chris13> so I will do that
[05:03] <chris13> I'm just trying to get Firefox to be able to use local images
[05:03] <chris13> I made the .js file already
[05:04] <chris13> just need to put it in the right place
[05:07] <chris13> "Linux users: I assume that you know how to create a file if you're running Linux. Just create user.js in your profile folder."
[05:08] <chris13> So which folder exactly is my profile folder just to make sure I'm putting it in the right place?
[05:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's in ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[05:12] <chris13> ok
[05:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's the directory with the name that looks like a snippet of /dev/random.
[05:14] <chris13> what is the beggining of the path?
[05:14] <chris13> I'm pretty new to Linux in general
[05:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ~/ is your home directory.
[05:15] <chris13> oh
[05:15] <chris13> guess the ~ confused me
[05:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> .mozilla is a hidden directory (in your home dir).
[05:16] <xubuser> ~ is a shortcut that expands to your home absolute path
[05:16] <chris13> and where do I go to make the hidden ones visible?
[05:17] <chris13> found it
[05:17] <xubuser> chris13: "ls -a" will list all hidden files in the current directory
[05:17] <chris13> I'm using Thunar
[05:18] <chris13> so it was just a preference
[05:18] <xubuser> ups, sorry
[05:18] <chris13> w265gyjz.default?
[05:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's the one.
[05:18] <chris13> is that where I put it in
[05:18] <chris13> I'm in ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[05:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In w265gyjz.default.
[05:19] <chris13> ok
[05:19] <chris13> looks like it anyways
[05:19] <chris13> some other .js files in there
[05:19] <chris13> now we will see if it makes my local image pack work
[05:21] <chris13> the only other minor issue I was having is orage showed the popup for my appointment but never actually played the sound it was supposed to play
[05:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does sound work otherwise?
[05:25] <chris13> yes sound works
[05:25] <chris13> I can play all the popular sound formats too
[05:26] <chris13> I got mp3s working
[05:27] <chris13> does xarchiver not preserve folder structure?
[05:28] <chris13> seems to just take all the files and ignore all folders in the archive
[05:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I can't find any bugs for sound in orage, and I don't use it personally, so I'm afraid I can't help you there.
[05:37] <chris13> ok I got orage working
[05:37] <chris13> the application for playing the sound was set incorrectly
[05:37] <chris13> The Xarchiver thing is annoying though
[05:38] <chris13> which archiving program do you use?
[05:39] <Odd_Bloke> chris13: tar on the command line. :p
[05:39] <Odd_Bloke> Or zip etc.
[05:39] <chris13> and that preserves the folder structure in the archive?
[05:40] <chris13> I'd just not like to have to rebuild the directory tree structure in the archive manually
[07:09] <xubuser> does anybody knows why firefox is so memory consuming?
[07:09] <meborc> it's one of the dilemmas of the world
[07:09] <Eagle_101> xubuser: lol, um becuase it keeps a huge cache
[07:10] <Eagle_101> there are ways to tell it to quit cache'ing
[07:11] <xubuser> yes, i've been doing that, but still, it takes more than 40 MB with just one tab opened
[07:13] <xubuser> i'm thinking to give opera a chance
[07:14] <meborc> i use opera right now
[07:14] <meborc> oly because the new version of it starts up twice as fast as ff
[07:14] <meborc> only*
[07:15] <hyper_ch> huhu
[07:16] <meborc> opera 9.10 that is
[07:16] <hyper_ch> what about swiftfox?
[07:17] <xubuser> i'm using opera now, it takes about 17 MB, more than a half of memory used by firefox
[07:17] <xubuser> what is swiftfox?
[07:17] <meborc> i have not tried swiftfox, as i have a transmeta cpu :)
[07:18] <xubuser> sorry, i mean less than a half
[07:19] <meborc> http://getswiftfox.com/releases.htm - swiftfox optimizes the use of browser according to your cpu
[07:20] <xubuser> i see
[07:21] <xubuser> but, it don't resolve the memory leak
[07:21] <meborc> no, but swiftfox is also lighter... you might try it...
[07:22] <xubuser> i will give it a try
[07:22] <meborc> it is also installable via automatix2 (it was a few months ago anywayz)
[07:23] <xubuser> i'm getting the deb package rigth now, thanks
[07:24] <hyper_ch> meborc: I would not install things through automatix
[07:24] <meborc> :) i don't do it miself... as i use feisty...
[07:25] <hyper_ch> so do I :)
[07:25] <hyper_ch> got Konversation?
[07:25] <meborc> no...
[07:25] <hyper_ch> I still need confirmation of a bug :)
[07:25] <hyper_ch> well, someone else must have it also :)
[07:26] <meborc> i try not to run kde apps under xfce
[07:26] <hyper_ch> why not?
[07:26] <meborc> as i have a really crappy lappy
[07:26] <meborc> :)
[07:26] <hyper_ch> meborc: ah :)
[07:27] <meborc> and kde apps usually load a lot of kde lib's... which take a lot of memory... (a lot of memory for me atleast)
[07:27] <hyper_ch> I use Xfce because I like it best as Desktop Environment and not because of my specs :)
[07:27] <meborc> oh... good for you
[07:27] <meborc> :)
[07:27] <meborc> xfce rocks
[07:27] <xubuser> merboc: what are you specs?
[07:27] <hyper_ch> I run quite a bit of kde appz :)
[07:28] <meborc> i have a old desknote laptop with 256 ram, transmeta 1ghz cpu (equal to 600mhz intel i guess), SIS integrated video
[07:29] <xubuser> i see
[07:29] <hyper_ch> meborc: it's not too bad ..... seen xubuntu running on "worse" machines :)
[07:29] <hyper_ch> meborc: I think with the 256mb ram it runs quite ok?
[07:29] <meborc> yeah... it runs nice... but i try not to hog the system :)
[07:30] <meborc> the memory usage is not the worst... my cpu hits 100% even with 2 small tasks... transmeta really doesn't rock at all :(
[07:30] <meborc> :)
[07:30] <grazie> hyper_ch: I can do a quick test under virtualbox if that helps?
[07:31] <hyper_ch> grazie: I can do that myself but didn't have time yet :)
[07:31] <hyper_ch> virtualbox and vmware :)
[07:33] <grazie> hyper_ch: did you have problems with the guest additions on VirtualBox?
[07:33] <hyper_ch> grazie: what do you mean by guest additions?
[07:35] <grazie> hyper_ch: additional sw that makes it easier to integrate with the host os. Vmware has something very similar
[07:36] <hyper_ch> haven't tried them yet
[07:36] <grazie> hyper_ch: you can install it from the Devices menu...but the mouse goes awol when I tried it on one OS.
[07:37] <hyper_ch> haven't tried it yet
[07:37] <hyper_ch> grazie: did you tell the dev in #virtualbox?
[07:37] <grazie> no yet
[07:37] <grazie> not*
[07:39] <hyper_ch> :)
[07:41] <grazie> I was going to quickly install Konversation, but its got 15 dependencies :(
[07:42] <meborc> i had 10 dependencies in feisty today :)
[07:42] <meborc> installed it... but didn't like it
[07:42] <meborc> xchat is more familiar for me
[07:43] <xubuser> what is konversation? a irc client for kde?
[07:43] <meborc> y
[07:44] <xubuser> i'm using irrsi, is nice if you are in one or two channels only
[07:44] <Odd_Bloke> xubuser: I'm using irssi in 36 channels and it's great.
[07:47] <grazie> I see there's a direct link to launchpad in the Fiesty menu now
[07:47] <xubuser> Odd_Bloke: Oh, i haven't read the full documentation yet, that's a good new
[07:48] <hyper_ch> irssi is the only way for me at university to make use of irc in a decent way
[07:49] <xubuser> I was using gaim, but get tired of his autoconnect "feature"
[07:50] <Odd_Bloke> hyper_ch: Same here, to an extent.
[07:50] <Odd_Bloke> The Computing Society have servers, so I use irssi+screen.
[07:50] <hyper_ch> Odd_Bloke: university blocked irc ports so I use ssh to run irssi from home
[07:50] <Odd_Bloke> hyper_ch: :(
[07:50] <meborc> what is the diff between irrsi vs irssi?
[07:50] <hyper_ch> Odd_Bloke: my roommates normally have p2p running so vnc is not really an option
[07:51] <Odd_Bloke> hyper_ch: I have yet to find a graphical IRC client as good as irssi...
[07:52] <hyper_ch> konversation :)
[07:52] <Odd_Bloke> meborc: Screen is an app that allows you to detach a console from your screen, reattaching it at some later point.
[07:52] <Odd_Bloke> hyper_ch: I don't like it that much, plus kdelibs...
[07:52] <hyper_ch> so,I'm off to university
[07:52] <meborc> yeah, but irssi and irrsi?... same thing?
[07:52] <hyper_ch> I like it much
[07:52] <meborc> or one is with a screen thing?
[07:53] <hyper_ch> meborc: just a typing error I assume
[07:53] <meborc> no
[07:53] <meborc> maybe :)
[07:56] <Odd_Bloke> meborc: irssi+screen is just irssi running inside a screen.
[07:57] <meborc> ok... i'm new to irssi... so i'm going to read the howto-startup thing :) ...
[07:57] <meborc> nice to learn new things
[08:03] <xubuser> finally, I've decided to stay with firefox
[08:04] <xubuser> with pluggins, opera consume just 4 or 5 MB less
[08:04] <xubuser> it's not worthed, firefox is free software
[08:05] <xubuser> :-)
[08:10] <Odd_Bloke> xubuser: Well, that's an arguable point...
[08:12] <xubuser> you're right
[08:12] <xubuser> I have to say, firefox gaves you more freedom than opera
[08:12] <xubuser> *gives
[08:13] <Odd_Bloke> Mostly, yeah.
[08:13] <Odd_Bloke> Though Iceweasel is freer...
[08:13] <xubuser> I'll try it
[09:27] <unimatrix9> hello there
[09:27] <Odd_Bloke> unimatrix9: Hi.
[09:27] <unimatrix9> how low end  can the pc be for xubuntu?
[09:27] <unimatrix9> ram / cpu?
[09:30] <Odd_Bloke> I don't really know, I'm afraid.
[09:30] <looping_> unimatrix9: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu they say ram is enough
[09:30] <looping_> 64 of ram
[09:31] <looping_> and about 500MHz proc
[09:31] <unimatrix9> ok thank you very much...
[09:31] <unimatrix9> we will give it an try...
[09:31] <unimatrix9> :)
[09:32] <looping_> you should. :)
[09:33] <looping_> I'm very happy with my xubuntu. I just don't understand why my camera and OGG player can't be hotplugged
[09:34] <looping_> and I'm off
[09:37] <Eagle_101> a question, there is a tracker application that tracks running proccesses, shows you a graph of ram and cpu usage, ect, what is this thing called?
[09:42] <looping_> cpu or ram usage monitor
[09:43] <Eagle_101> mmm no thats not it, that is a panel plugin
[09:43] <looping_> oh, graph... sorry
[09:43] <Eagle_101> there is some application or something that lets you view running processes, and right click and kill them on command
[09:43] <Eagle_101> :S
[09:44] <Eagle_101> it was in the Xfce menu under system accessories or settings
[09:47] <Eagle_101> well I'm confused now :S
[09:47] <Eagle_101> lol
[09:47] <Eagle_101> I will be back and see if I happened to install it...
[10:46] <pzler> hey could someone please help me to find a tutorial on how to install software on a computer without internet access?
[10:51] <qsrv> hi
[10:52] <qsrv> I'm thinking of moving to xubuntu from ubuntu. My question is - what do you use for wireless roaming (managing the various profiles, etc.). Are there any tools like gnome's network-manager?
[10:52] <Eagle_101> pzler: mmm I don't have a clue as to that one
[10:52] <Eagle_101> qsrv: the software is the same
[10:52] <Eagle_101> you can use gnome's network manager in xubuntu if you wish
[10:53] <Eagle_101> the primary differnce between the two is the Desktop enviroment that they use (GNOME verus Xfce)
[10:53] <Eagle_101> !wireless
[10:53] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:54] <Eagle_101> as you see, we use ubuntu's docs ;)
[10:55] <qsrv> ah, thanks
[10:55] <pzler> well atleast that means it's not a stupid question ;)
[10:56] <Odd_Bloke> pzler: You'll want to get a hold of the appropriate .deb packages and transfer them across.
[10:57] <Odd_Bloke> You'll have to do all the dependency management yourself if you do it that way, so it may well not be ideal...
[10:57] <pzler> yeah but it is the only way
[10:58] <pzler> can i acces the depositories as a ftp site?
[11:18] <gerro> xubby rulez!
[11:18] <gerro> =D
[11:20] <EagleZzZ> good
[11:20] <EagleZzZ> pzler: I don't know
[11:31] <pzler> i think i will just drag my computer to a place with internet acces
[11:54] <ice_world> could anyone tell me how i turn off the screen saver?
[12:04] <TheSheep> ice_world: settings -> setting manager -> scrensaver
[12:06] <ice_world> ahh
[12:06] <ice_world> thx TheSheep
[12:26] <ice_world> anyone know if it possible to show date/month/yea instead of month/date/year in orage clock?
[12:26] <ice_world> i dont fancy beeing in decemeber again :(
[12:28] <TheSheep> ice_world: it uses the format from your locale
[12:29] <TheSheep> ice_world: you can use orage clock instead -- it will allow you to specify the exact format you want
[12:29] <ice_world> thats what im using
[12:29] <ice_world> i can only find one command for dates tho
[12:30] <TheSheep> %d/%m/%Y
[12:30] <TheSheep> see man strftime for details
[12:30] <ice_world> thanks
[12:31] <ice_world> locale is that same as location or language i have choosen?
[12:31] <TheSheep> yes
[12:32] <vidd> No manual entry for strftime
[12:32] <vidd> ?
[12:32] <TheSheep> vidd: apt-get install manpages-dev
[12:32] <TheSheep> vidd: or use one of the many online man pages services
[12:33] <TheSheep> http://www.hmug.org/man/3/strftime.php
[12:34] <ice_world> wtf
[12:34] <ice_world> i made a quick launch bar
[12:34] <ice_world> with some of the default buttons and then i pressed one of em and now the panel is gone :O
[12:35] <TheSheep> alt+f2, xfce4-panel, enter
[12:35] <TheSheep> the quicklaunch bar is pretty buggy
[12:35] <TheSheep> it crashed your panel
[12:35] <vidd> ice_world, was the button a "close" button?
[12:35] <vidd> lol
[12:35] <ice_world> hehe no :p
[12:36] <vidd> I so wish windows had a command line
[12:36] <ice_world> command line?
[12:37] <TheSheep> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/articles/facetofacewithopenlook <-- an article from 1988, and they are already bitching that Unix (no linux back then) is not good for desktops because developers don't care about GUI
[12:37] <vidd> doing tech support over the phone would be SO much easier
[12:37] <TheSheep> vidd: no it woudn't
[12:37] <TheSheep> vidd: you want to spell the urls?
[12:38] <TheSheep> vidd: besides, windows does have a command line
[12:38] <vidd> its better then trying to get these "wonderful customers" thru the maze of icons to get to "internet options"
[12:38] <TheSheep> vidd: ipconfig
[12:38] <vidd> it has a command promt
[12:38] <TheSheep> vidd: you can do anything you can do with icons with it
[12:39] <ice_world> when i make a shortcut for the quicklaunch i choose an icon and then type a command for whats it suposto do?
[12:39] <TheSheep> vidd: of course you'd first need to know how
[12:39] <TheSheep> ice_world: why don't you use the normal launchers?
[12:39] <TheSheep> ice_world: they are much better developed
[12:39] <ice_world> cus i dont know of them ^^
[12:40] <TheSheep> ice_world: the very first option in the "add to panel" menu
[12:40] <ice_world> i installed xubuntu yesterday and my linux experience before this is minimal
[12:40] <ice_world> lol :p
[12:40] <ice_world> so where do i find the terminal?
[12:41] <TheSheep> ice_world: in system, I believe
[12:41] <TheSheep> ice_world: the command is 'Terminal', capitalised
[12:41] <vidd> yes...unless you add the dapper menu to your ~/.config/xfce/Desktop
[12:42] <ice_world> great
[12:42] <TheSheep> vidd: why?
[12:42] <ice_world> pastebin?
[12:42] <vidd> !paste
[12:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:42] <ice_world> cool
[12:43] <ice_world> i haveto do some work now tho
[12:43] <ice_world> cya later
[12:44] <vidd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10004/ ice_world
[12:44] <vidd> loose the numbers and name it munu.xml
[12:45] <vidd> TheSheep, cuzz i LIKE it'
[12:45] <vidd> they NEVER should have 86'ed it
[12:46] <TheSheep> I guess that everyone just rolls their own menu sooner or later
[12:46] <TheSheep> grouping the submenus and adding the separators is a good idea, for example
[12:47] <TheSheep>  I also removed the icons from some of the submenus
[12:47] <TheSheep> so only the important ones stand out
[12:47] <vidd> so having a ready made one i like is a plus
[12:48] <TheSheep> vidd: hint: if you put a submenu named 'Aceessories' and then the include *after* that, thei ncluded items won't create a new submenu, but will be put into the one you created...
[12:48] <TheSheep> Accessories
[12:48] <TheSheep> and same with other submenus
[12:48] <TheSheep> so you can arrange them as you want, give them icons, add separators
[12:49] <TheSheep> you can even add items inside
[12:51] <vidd> =[
[12:51] <vidd> later all
[12:51] <TheSheep> same here
[03:07] <ice_world> when im looking in the synaptic package manager there are some packets that have an ubuntu logo, what does it mean?
[03:08] <Odd_Bloke> ice_world: They are in the main Ubuntu repos, I believe...
[03:08] <TheSheep> ice_world: they are supported by Canonical
[03:08] <ice_world> i see
[03:08] <ice_world> but who needs support when theres this great channel? ^^
[03:09] <TheSheep> which means that Canonical will actually pay for getting them fixed/modified
[03:09] <ice_world> cool
[03:10] <ice_world> btw how long has this synaptic package manager been out? its just amazing
[03:12] <ostbagarn> weee
[03:13] <ice_world> anyone using xchat?
[03:15] <ice_world> root? :p
[04:19] <KboyKowboy> hey xubuntus
[04:20] <Rory> hi
[04:20] <KboyKowboy> hey rory - working about on my newly installed xubuntu
[04:21] <KboyKowboy> looks great! my old crap pc is running again ;-)
[04:29] <Rory> i use xubuntu on my laptop
[04:29] <Rory> it's great
[05:48] <robinlinth> How to get mac-like features in Xfce? Expose, spotlight, the Dock, live video previews, stuff like that..
[05:56] <ice_world> what is xfce4-menu-plugin?
[05:59] <BFTD> dum dee dum
[06:21] <ostbagarn> what is an .rpm file?
[06:22] <ostbagarn> similar to .deb?
[06:56] <oopsy> can someone link me to a ndiswrappers guide
[06:57] <oopsy> please?
[07:02] <grazie> !wifi | oopsy
[07:02] <ubotu> oopsy: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:05] <robinlinth> So, i'm looking to get all features of Mac OS X.. Something like Spotlight, expose, stuff like that. And easy drag 'n drop to panels. Simple said: a storage system i can use easily, as i save lots of stuff on my PC. It has to be lightweight, as my computer can't handle heavy stuff like GNOME or KDE, or too heavy applications. So, can anyone help me with this?
[07:06] <oopsy> does python come with xunbutu?
[07:07] <frtmonster> hi, i have a 3 yr old celeron laptop with 256 ram, i want to tweak it using the ram swap here : http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed  - how much value should i set it to?
[07:11] <grazie> oopsy: yes
[07:11] <robinlinth> I'm looking to get all features of Mac OS X.. Something like Spotlight, expose, stuff like that. And easy drag 'n drop to panels. Simple said: a storage system i can use easily, as i save lots of stuff on my PC. It has to be lightweight, as my computer can't handle heavy stuff like GNOME or KDE, or too heavy applications. So, can anyone help me with this?
[07:11] <robinlinth> oops, sorry for the repost.
[07:11] <robinlinth> I'm kinda used to that, as I game much.
[07:12] <frtmonster> I tried playinng dvd using mplayer and it says 'FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)'
[07:14] <grazie> frtmonster: have you installed any codecs?
[07:15] <frtmonster> grazie: yes
[07:16] <grazie> frtmonster: is libdvdcss installed?
[07:18] <frtmonster> grazie: yes, but can you give me the full name so i will try again
[07:18] <frtmonster> maybe because i installed that lib before i installed mplayer i don't know
[07:20] <grazie> frtmonster: have you tried any of the other video drivers in the preferences?
[07:21] <frtmonster> grazie: i've tried a few yes
[07:22] <grazie> frtmonster: is that the first error message that gets output?
[07:25] <frtmonster> grazie: that's what i see yes
[07:26] <grazie> frtmonster: what kind of formats can mplayer handle?
[07:27] <frtmonster> i playe avi yesterday
[07:27] <frtmonster> with vlc
[07:27] <frtmonster> i'll try xine player
[07:33] <looping_> grazie: mplayer can handle every format you provide it with appropriate codecs
[07:33] <looping_> as xine
[07:33] <grazie> looping_: not for frtmonster ^^ :)
[07:34] <looping_> oops sorry, didn't follow the whole discussion
[07:34] <looping_> i'm off.
[07:35] <grazie> don't worry about it
[07:47] <frtmonster> reoccurding :p
[07:47] <frtmonster> hi, i installed the dvd library, xine, vlc, and mplayer, i have a laptop with a cdrom+dvd in one drive and i still can't get to see a fluent picture\sound this is the error i get in mplayer:  FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)
[07:56] <IVBela> !vnc
[07:56] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[07:56] <frtmonster> hey where did my trash can went in XFCE?
[07:58] <IVBela> right click on your panel, select add item, and ass the trash applet
[07:58] <IVBela> maybe You removed it by mistake
[07:59] <frtmonster> thanks
[07:59] <IVBela> You're welcome
[08:00] <IVBela> YAY! i helped someone! \o/
[08:00] <IVBela> <-- is using ubuntu for some weeks only
[08:00] <ostbagarn> hehe
[08:00] <ostbagarn> gj
[08:01] <IVBela> umm, guys, anyone knows how to make vnc work on xfce? just installed xubuntu-desktop, it worked in gnome, but can't find here ^^;
[08:01] <IVBela> maybe i should install tightvnc server? o.O
[08:01] <frtmonster> how can i get the debian menu to run on XFCE? i've already installed the pacakge
[08:04] <robinlinth> How to enable compositing support in Xfce?
[08:05] <robinlinth> How to enable compositing support in Xfce?
[08:06] <grazie> robinlinth: here's a couple of links
[08:06] <grazie> robinlinth: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html
[08:06] <grazie> !compositor | robinlinth
[08:06] <ubotu> robinlinth: For instructions on how to enable the compositor in Xubuntu, please see http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en#xcomposite
[08:07] <robinlinth> thanks! :D
[08:07] <grazie> np
[08:11] <robinlinth> that documentation from xfce link is broken.,
[08:11] <robinlinth> check it out yourself, grazie
[08:13] <grazie> robinlinth: i guess someone needs to tweak the bot...thanks
[08:22] <frtmonster> this is what happens when i try to play dvd's http://rafb.net/p/7AIPwI38.html
[08:28] <hyper_ch> frtmonster: you need to install decss
[08:28] <hyper_ch> libdvdcss2
[08:29] <hyper_ch> !libdvdcss2
[08:29] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:29] <frtmonster> hyper_ch:  i already have it
[08:29] <hyper_ch> are you sure?
[08:30] <frtmonster> let me check
[08:31] <frtmonster> ubotu: what's the apt get command for it
[08:32] <hyper_ch> ubotu is a bot :)
[08:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:32] <frtmonster> hyper_ch: i mean :)
[08:32] <hyper_ch> you need to add Seveas' repository to your own and then you can install it
[08:32] <frtmonster> i have
[08:32] <frtmonster> what is the apt get command tho
[08:33] <frtmonster> nm i did it
[08:33] <frtmonster> this is prolly the 3rd time i install it
[08:33] <frtmonster> but i'll try anyway
[08:33] <frtmonster> interesting
[08:33] <frtmonster> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:33] <frtmonster> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:33] <frtmonster> is only available from another source
[08:33] <frtmonster> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[08:39] <frtmonster> hyper_ch: what do you suggest i should do
[08:45] <grazie> frtmonster: you can either follow the link hyper_ch gave you  or install libdvdcs2 using easyubuntu
[08:45] <grazie> !easyubuntu | frtmonster
[08:45] <ubotu> frtmonster: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[08:46] <robinlinth> Does anybody know a lighter version of Deskbar and Beagle?
[08:50] <frtmonster> ubotu: what about automatix
[08:50] <frtmonster> er
[08:51] <frtmonster> grazie: what about automatix
[08:51] <grazie> frtmonster: I wouldn't recommend automatix
[08:51] <frtmonster> why not
[08:52] <frtmonster> everyone recommend it o_O
[08:52] <grazie> use it then
[08:53] <robinlinth> frtmonster, it fucks up your system by touching things that are not meant to be touched.
[08:58] <frtmonster> robinlinth: ok
[08:59] <frtmonster> ;i
[08:59] <frtmonster> er
[09:00] <frtmonster> i have some window in xfce which is out of my reach i can't see the button in the bottom of it to approve it, how can see the entire window or something? (maximizing does not help)
[09:01] <robinlinth> move it by holding the alt key and dragging the window to where you want it
[09:04] <frtmonster> robinlinth: wtf, nice, how did you know that
[09:04] <robinlinth> frtmonster, i use it every day, it's in the manual..
[09:05] <frtmonster> good 2 know
[09:07] <robinlinth> Does anybody know a lighter version of Deskbar and Beagle?
[09:07] <frtmonster> heh i just wanted to install beagle
[09:07] <frtmonster> are you saying it's bloated?
[09:07] <frtmonster> my celeron probably wouldn't handle it nice anyway
[09:12] <robinlinth> it's bloated, yeah..
[09:12] <robinlinth> too bloated. But there's an alternative, called tracker.
[09:12] <robinlinth> now for a lighter version of the deskbar.
[09:13] <joe4444> how do i unmount my ipod?
[09:15] <grazie> robinlinth: you may also want to look at catfish >> http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=catfish
[09:16] <robinlinth> grazie, how to get that in xubuntu?
[09:19] <grazie> robinlinth: erm... that's a source package on the website so you'd need to compile it...I'm sure there's .deb package somewhere though
[09:20] <frtmonster> how can i check how much room i have left on my hd
[09:21] <frtmonster> nm
[09:22] <grazie> joe4444: can you not right click on the ipod icon and select unmount?
[09:23] <grumpymole> frtmonster: df -h
[09:33] <zzaza> hi all
[09:33] <frtmonster> thanks
[09:38] <joe4444> grazie, i don't even get an ipod icon
[09:39] <joe4444> the ipod shows "Do not disconnect" but i don't think it's been mounted
[09:41] <grazie> joe4444: it shouldn't be mount by just plugging in, so unplugging shouildn't be a problem
[09:41] <joe4444> even tho it says do not disconnect?
[09:42] <grazie> joe4444: When do you get "Do not disconnect"?
[09:42] <joe4444> right after i plugged it in
[09:42] <joe4444> i tried the "reboot" trick (hold MENU and center button) but when it starts up again the do not disconnect message is still there
[09:42] <grazie> joe4444: where does the message come ... (i don't have an ipod)
[09:43] <joe4444> on the ipod screen
[09:43] <joe4444> in windows i could unmount the ipod and the message would disappear but it would continue charging
[09:44] <joe4444> of course windows probably auto-mounts it
[09:44] <grazie> it you want to be extra careful you could unplug when powered down
[09:45] <grazie> joe4444: do you get any icons appearing on your desktop?
[09:45] <joe4444> i unplugged it while rebooting the ipod
[09:45] <joe4444> no
[09:45] <joe4444> when i plug it in, shouldn't i see a new device in the list when i run the "mount" command?
[09:46] <joe4444> or does that only show devices already mounted?
[09:47] <grazie> joe4444: Application > Settings > Desktop Settings. Is "Allow Xfce to manage ther desktop" checked?
[09:48] <joe4444> i'm actually in ubuntu now
[09:48] <joe4444> installed xubuntu then added ubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <joe4444> can i open desktop settings with a command?
[09:48] <joe4444> or is it specific to xfce?
[09:51] <grazie> there may be commands, but I don't what they are. If that setting is unchecked icons may not appear on the desktop
[09:51] <hyper_ch> hiho
[09:51] <grazie> hello hyper_ch
[09:51] <frtmonster> how can i add apps to the applications menu in xfce
[09:51] <hyper_ch> what's up dude?
[09:51] <hyper_ch> frtmonster: by editing the menu entires
[09:52] <frtmonster> right click and 'edit menu' ?
[09:52] <frtmonster> because i don't see the applications there
[09:52] <joe4444> grazie, well i have a 2nd hard disk that appeared on my desktop automatically
[09:52] <frtmonster> hyper_ch :)
[09:52] <TheSheep> frtmonster: it's better to create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications
[09:53] <TheSheep> frtmonster: and pressure the app makers to include that file in their application
[09:53] <frtmonster> mm
[09:53] <frtmonster> TheSheep: ok
[09:53] <frtmonster> TheSheep: but where are the folders of the menu located?
[09:53] <frtmonster> in share/applications?
[09:54] <TheSheep> frtmonster: they are not folders, they are 'categories'
[09:54] <TheSheep> frtmonster: you specify them in the .desktop files
[09:54] <frtmonster> TheSheep: i can't access them from sunar?
[09:54] <frtmonster> is ee
[09:54] <TheSheep> frtmonster: see some of the existing ones
[09:54] <frtmonster> ok
[09:55] <frtmonster> thunar*
[09:55] <frtmonster> thanks
[09:56] <frtmonster> TheSheep: i'm in share/applications - whta is the name of the file
[09:57] <TheSheep> frtmonster: for which app?
[09:57] <frtmonster> i see
[09:57] <frtmonster> file.desktop is a shortcut?
[09:57] <frtmonster> sec i'll open it with a text editor
[10:10] <frtmonster> mm
[10:10] <frtmonster> how can i check how much RAM i have
[10:11] <frtmonster> free -m
[10:13] <frtmonster> i have a celeron laptop with 185 ram, how much swap should i set, i want to tweak it according to here - http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed
[10:16] <hyper_ch> frtmonster: hmmm, normally it's 2-3 times of your ram... I guess I'd set about 500mb
[10:16] <frtmonster> hyper_ch: i'm talking about  /etc/sysctl.conf  how much should i set vm.swappiness
[10:17] <hyper_ch> no clue
[10:17] <frtmonster> cool
[10:30] <looping_> hyper_ch: hello, from which part of Switzerland are you from?
[10:30] <hyper_ch> looping_: why?
[10:30] <hyper_ch> Je ne suis pas Suisse Romand
[10:31] <looping_> ok
[10:31] <looping_> je suis n  genve
[10:36] <hyper_ch> and I was born in solothurn
[10:40] <ice_world> if i install something with synaptic packet manager, how can i find it later? :p
[10:43] <Blais1> lo all
[10:45] <Blais1> I'm trying to access a windows machine from Xubuntu, can anyone explain to me the most straight forward way to do this?
[10:48] <hyper_ch> Blais1: VNC
[10:48] <Blais1> oh really?
[10:48] <Blais1> I just want to browse the shared folders
[10:49] <hyper_ch> Blais1: well, depends on what you want
[10:49] <Blais1> can't I use Samba?
[10:49] <hyper_ch> you can
[10:49] <hyper_ch> grazie: you're here?
[10:50] <grazie> hyper_ch: yes
[10:50] <hyper_ch> grazie: you got vbox running on feisty?
[10:51] <grazie> hyper_ch: never tried.....did all my feisty testing on ppc
[10:51] <hyper_ch> ah ok
[10:51] <hyper_ch> I just wonder whether I shall try to the edgy .deb or use svn and compile it on my own
[10:52] <Blais1> How about Linneighbourhood?
[10:52] <hyper_ch> Blais1: what about it?
[10:53] <Blais1> it's a program I found in the package Manager that apparently lets me browse Windows Networks
[10:53] <Blais1> that's I may be on
[10:54] <hyper_ch> then try it
[10:55] <Blais1> I don't trust everything I see on Synaptic package Manager
[10:58] <Blais1> well it seems to work
[11:14] <frtmonster> hey again
[11:14] <frtmonster> i try to open a midi file with 'kmid' and it says some other program uses the /dev/sequencer/ - what's the prob here?
[11:26] <frtmonster> ugh, how can i stop the touchpad in the laptop from working?
[11:44] <R[a] ndom> frtmonster, hammer?
[11:45] <R[a] ndom> honestly no idea, but I was using a dell the other day that made me want to kill.  when I typed my palms would touch the touchpad and the cursor would get relocated
[11:45] <R[a] ndom> so I can see how you'd want to kill it
[11:47] <frtmonster> nevermind :)
[12:10] <spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[12:10] <spasticteapot> And, if so, could they tell me if Xubuntu-Fiesty is availible yet for download?
[12:11] <looping_> spasticteapot: I think it's available in beta
[12:11] <spasticteapot> Cool.
[12:12] <lesshaste> can someone remind me where I can set the hibernate/sleep options?
[12:12] <spasticteapot> If I install Xubuntu Unstable, will it turn into Feisty Stable if I run the update program after it's released? Or do I need to reinstall (again)?
[12:12] <lesshaste> I want to stop i sleeping when I close the lid of my laptpo
[12:14] <lesshaste> hello ?
[12:14] <spasticteapot> No idea, sorry.
[12:15] <lesshaste> :((
[12:15] <looping_> lesshaste: nothing inthe parameters menu?
[12:16] <lesshaste> looping_, where is that?
[12:16] <looping_> spasticteapot: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/
[12:16] <looping_> lesshaste: for me, at the top of xfce menu.
[12:16] <lesshaste> the Applications menu?
[12:16] <looping_> spasticteapot: usually, you don't have to reinstall in order to get from beta to release
[12:17] <looping_> lesshaste: yes
[12:17] <looping_> you have something like "Parameters" or else. It's in french for me. "Settings" maybe ?
[12:18] <lesshaste> I found the settings menu
[12:18] <lesshaste> there isn't anything about hibernation is there ?
[12:19] <looping_> if your laptop was correctly detected by the install system, you should maybe have a menu like ACPI or something like that...
[12:20] <ormiret> lesshaste: the low level settings are in /etc/acpi/, if you're running something like gnome-power-manager that will be where to set it.
[12:20] <lesshaste> ormiret, I am running gnome-power-manager
[12:21] <ormiret> right click on it and select preferences then
[12:21] <lesshaste> ok thanks
[12:22] <ormiret> actually loks like left click gets the same menu...
[12:23] <neozen> got a question guys
[12:23] <neozen> how can I get linux to display a history of logins
[12:23] <neozen> as in... who logged in when.... from where... and how long they were logged in
[12:24] <ormiret> look in /var/log/auth.log