[12:58] <yuriy> hey manchicken__
[01:04] <Jucato> Riddell: are you still awake? :)
[01:04] <Riddell> Jucato: hi
[01:05] <jjesse> evening
[01:05] <nixternal> hola
[01:05] <jjesse> hola nixternal
[01:06] <Jucato> hi Riddell! just woke up. I'm getting some updates. but the updates want to remove kubuntu-desktop and some other packages
[01:06] <Riddell> err, why?
[01:07] <Jucato> hm... going to pastebin what happens when I use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:07] <manchicken__> Riddell: ping
[01:08] <Jucato> Riddell: actually, only kdm, kdesktop, and konqueror appear to be having problems
[01:09] <Jucato> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10110/
[01:11] <Riddell> manchicken__: hi
[01:11] <nixternal> I am installing the latest upgrades right now. Didn't want to remove anything, just hold back the 2 digikam updates
[01:12] <yuriy> gah! damn all the adept bugs under ept!
[01:12] <Jucato> nixternal: I'm trying to dist-upgrade from edgy by using the dist-upgrade tool
[01:12] <Jucato> which I still can't get to work..
[01:13] <Riddell> Jucato: I see the problem
[01:13] <Jucato> ooh.. hope I didn't do anything stupid to my system to cause the problem :)
[01:13] <Riddell> Jucato: no, my fault entirely
[01:14] <Jucato> oh it's cool :)
[01:15] <manchicken__> Riddell: I'm kinda bored.
[01:15] <manchicken__> Riddell: Got anything for me to do?
[01:16] <Riddell> manchicken: fix the arrow in adept?
[01:17] <manchicken> heh
[01:17] <manchicken> Good point.
[01:17] <yuriy> manchicken: all the not all that important bugs filed for adept have been looked through
[01:17] <manchicken> I know.
[01:17] <Jucato> yuriy: love to join you in the bug week.. but.. :(
[01:17] <manchicken> someone else fixed my changelog segfault thingy.
[01:18] <Riddell> manchicken: they did?
[01:18] <Riddell> manchicken: is that fix in?
[01:18] <manchicken> It certainly seems that way.
[01:18] <manchicken> Lots of 404s, but I think that may be a release issue.
[01:19] <manchicken> e.g. no changelog uploaded for that particular release candidate.
[01:19] <manchicken> er, upgrade candidate
[01:19] <Jucato> er is bug 74262 fixed in feisty btw? (or should it even be fixed?)
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74262 in adept "Two "Manage Repositories" entries under different menus in Adept Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74262
[01:19] <yuriy> manchicken: there are a few minor ones that should be trivial to fix, assuming they wouldn't be considered new features. want me to assign them to you or are you going to be looking through yourself?
[01:19] <Riddell> Jucato: I've never seen that
[01:20] <Jucato> Riddell: one is under the Adept menu,the other is under View menu...
[01:20] <yuriy> Riddell: but it's true. that combined with the one about how everything else in view is disabled, i was thinking why not just get rid of the view menu?
[01:20] <nixternal> yuriy: how are we looking bug wise right now? What needs to be looked at?
[01:20] <Jucato> I filed upstream too. mornfall hasn't replied to the bug yet...
[01:21] <manchicken> yuriy: Can you give me 3 and I'll see what I can do?
[01:21] <manchicken> yuriy: I'm still unpacking, so my hack time is sparse :)
[01:21] <yuriy> manchicken: sure. no hurry, i think
[01:22] <Riddell> Jucato: goodness, so it is
[01:22] <Jucato> :)
[01:22] <nixternal> wo0t, my KTorrent patches got accepted for Breezy -> Feisty :)
[01:22] <yuriy> nixternal: working on adept today. gone through all the ones under adept except for some crashes and a few others that basically add up to "adept sucks at dealing with broken packages"
[01:23] <yuriy> just realized there's a lot more that are filed under ept...
[01:23] <nixternal> you have a tinyurl at all for the ones we are looking at, or should I just go under and look at *all* Adept bugs?
[01:23] <jjesse> congrats
[01:24] <Riddell> Jucato: new 3.5.6 packages up
[01:24] <Jucato> Riddell: great! thanks
[01:24] <jjesse> is ept the same as adept?
[01:24] <nixternal> feisty only, or all of them?
[01:24] <Jucato> what is ept?
[01:24] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, it's an older name
[01:24] <yuriy> nixternal: there are only 139 ;)
[01:24] <Riddell> there was never a stable release under the name "ept"
[01:24] <Riddell> well, the source package was ept for one release I think
[01:24] <yuriy> nixternal: yay for ktorrent
[01:25] <Jucato> yay 28 packages to be upgraded. thanks Riddell.
[01:25] <nixternal> 139, I see 52 for Adept
[01:25] <Jucato> ditto. 52 only
[01:25] <yuriy> nixternal: yeah that's what i thought until a few minutes ago
[01:26] <jjesse> oh interseting
[01:26] <nixternal> boo
[01:26] <Riddell> nixternal: patches to the current versions?
[01:26] <yuriy> ok not 139. that's by search. 80 then. 27 in ept
[01:28] <nixternal> Riddell: yes
[01:29] <Riddell> nixternal: many thanks for that then
[01:29] <Jucato> yuriy: I think bug 47988 could be rejected? not really sure but I thought that the green LED icon at startup was an intended behavior to show that adept is trying to check for updates
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47988 in ept "Adept Notifier tray icon appears and dissapears on login" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47988
[01:30] <nixternal> Riddell: no problem. Was a fun project for me to get into some more coding :)
[01:30] <Riddell> Jucato: it seems like a valid issue, if not a very important one
[01:30] <Jucato> ah so it's not really intended to show up? hehe all this while I thought it was :)
[01:30] <jjesse> isn't it supposed to show up and then disappear?
[01:31] <Jucato> iirc, that's the same behavior on Ubuntu
[01:31] <Jucato> but I haven't seen Ubuntu since Dapper. so...
[01:31] <yuriy> Jucato: i don't think i've actually seen it show up, at least not recently
[01:31] <yuriy> also, the thing about icons getting their own windows is a beryl problem
[01:32] <Jucato> I think it shows up only if you're connected to the internet when it's checking for updates.
[01:33] <Jucato> (ooh wow kuickshow's making a comeback? :D)
[01:33] <Riddell> I don't see much point in it showing up to say you don't need to do any updates
[01:33] <Riddell> dunno, we have bigger issues at any rate :)
[01:34] <manchicken> Damnit, my chroot isn't connecting to the network.
[01:34] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:35] <jjesse> hmmm i can't get my partition resized through ubqiuity
[01:35] <Jucato> hm.. some of the bugs under ept seem to be reasonable.. too bad it's too late for most of them :)
[01:35] <jjesse> to install kubuntu and dual boot :(
[01:36] <manchicken> DEATH TO CHROOT!
[01:36] <manchicken> Why won't it connect?
[01:39] <jjesse> quick question is there any problems resizing an SATA drive w/ ubiquity?
[01:41] <Riddell> jjesse: no, it depends on the partitions already there and if partman recons it can resize them or not
[01:41] <jjesse> trying to resize an ntfs drive
[01:41] <jjesse> i've dual booted windows xp/kubuntu before
[01:41] <jjesse> and just having struggles resizng
[01:42] <Riddell> jjesse: try using gparted
[01:43] <jjesse> gparted?
[01:43] <yuriy> jjesse: aaah a g :)
[01:43] <Riddell> a partioning tool
[01:45] <nixternal> yuriy: I am going through and closing bugs that have already been fixed w/o any reporting to the bug
[01:45] <nixternal> OK, everytime I close one, somebody opens one, quit messing with me :)
[01:46] <jjesse> hmmm opening /dev/sda2 as ntfs failed: operation supported
[01:46] <jjesse> operation not supported
[01:48] <Jucato> nixternal: there's no Adept Handbook right? or is there one in Feisty now?
[01:48] <jjesse> Jucato: there is no adept handbook
[01:48] <jjesse> i'm almost done documenting it for kde
[01:49] <Jucato> ah so bug 50890 can be closed/rejected?
[01:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50890 in ept "Help doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50890
[01:49] <jjesse> and then there were a ton of changes for fiesty
[01:49] <nixternal> Jucato: jjesse is the man on that
[01:49] <jjesse> there is a bug upstream
[01:49] <Jucato> nixternal: ah ok. hi jjesse :D
[01:49] <jjesse> hiya Jucato
[01:50] <jjesse> at least there was at one time
[01:50] <yuriy> if manchicken missed that comment: [12:29]  <yuriy> manchicken__ should put his blog posts together and fix bug 62611 :)
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62611 in adept "no help available when pressing F1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62611
[01:50] <Riddell> Jucato: how's the upgrade?
[01:50] <Jucato> Riddell: heh 12 more packages to download before I could test again... sorry 512kbps only :P
[01:50] <jjesse> Jucato: you could always assing it to me
[01:51] <Jucato> jjesse: if I see adept doc bugs I'll assign them to you?
[01:51] <jjesse> sure
[01:52] <Jucato> yuriy: I'll mark the ept one as a duplicate of that adept bug, then assign it to jjesse. (there's a bug filed upstream by carsten too)
[01:52] <jjesse> maybe it will help me get it done faster
[01:58] <yuriy> poor users filing bugs for mornfall
[01:59] <Jucato> hm? :D
[02:01] <yuriy> Jucato: he's rude. he makes comments like "And who would believe you are filing bugs without giving any useful data."
[02:01] <Jucato> hence the ':D' at the end of my "hm?" :P
[02:06] <Jucato> wb jjesse :)
[02:07] <jjesse> thanks i'm trying to swtich from a crappy laptop to a new laptop
[02:07] <jjesse> hence the need to reparititon
[02:09] <Jucato> Riddell: if you're still up. there's a bit of a progress now... it the distupgrade tool shows up for a split second then disappears. I get this in Konsole: "In file tools/qgvector.cpp, line 176: Out of memory; KCrash: Application 'dist-upgrade.py' crashing.."
[02:12] <nixternal> argh I hate LP. It is so damn slow
[02:13] <yuriy> nixternal: i was just thinking i'm glad it's actually fast today
[02:13] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:14] <nixternal> lovely, my patches cause the Ubuntu Installer to spam the hell out of me
[02:15] <jjesse> that's awsesome
[02:15] <nixternal> haha, I am glad you think so
[02:16] <nixternal> for each release (Breezy through Feisty) and each Architecture it sends 1 email
[02:16] <nixternal> so breezy sends an email for each arch, then dapper, then edgy, then feisty
[02:18] <nixternal> OK, I am going for ice cream, anyone interested :)
[02:19] <yuriy> nixternal: send some my way ;) and close bug 44955
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44955 in ept "adept applet panel icon flicker" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44955
[02:27] <firephoto> is the debconf window that opens from adept updater and complains about nice values which leads to the updates failing an adept bug? It happend the other day here again.
[02:27] <yuriy> firephoto: it's an xorg bug as far as is known unless i missed some news
[02:28] <Jucato> nixternal: is this accurate? "Linspire to be Based on Kubuntu, first Ubuntu-based distro to have Click and Run: Linspire announced that they will be switching to base their distribution off Ubuntu. With their polished KDE desktop this makes Linspire the latest in the impressive list of operating systems based off Kubuntu."
[02:28] <jjesse> i though that was "old" news
[02:28] <firephoto> yuriy: ok, I searched for adept bugs related to it so if it's xorg that explains me not finding anything.
[02:29] <Jucato> UWN is running it only today...
[02:29] <yuriy> firephoto: ahah. that would explain why so many people filed the bug
[02:30] <yuriy> firephoto: bug 68267
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68267 in xorg "x11-common loop asking 'Please enter an integer between -20 and 19.' at debconf medium or higher" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68267
[02:31] <Jucato> nixternal: were you able to get Riddell's message (+6 hours ago) about the French actually using Kubuntu (and not Ubuntu as the UWN says)?
[02:54] <yuriy> does anybody know the status of bug 75713?
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75713 in adept "does not check diskspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75713
[02:54] <nixternal> Jucato: I don't do the UWN, I try to stay away from it
[02:54] <Jucato> :D
 nixternal, imbrandon: it might be nice to edit that story and point out the french are actually using Kubuntu
[02:55] <nixternal> hehe, ya I used to do the UWN, but it has been through so many hands and hasn't been able to get right ever since
[02:56] <yuriy> *yawn* about a dozen unconfirmed+undecided bugs left. anybody up for it?
[05:18] <nixternal> Riddell: bug 91749 :(  I can fix it and will do and give you a debdiff if it can be uploaded
[05:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91749 in kubuntu-docs "file confict with ubuntu-docs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91749
[05:18] <nixternal> it doesn't mess with any strings, just renames firefox-index.html to something else in debian/postinst
[06:56] <nixternal> argh, I need to get this doc pkg fixed but the postinst script isn't doing its job correctly
[07:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:15] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[07:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I looked through the Kopete bugs last night... marked some as Needs Info, some as confirmed, and some I filed upstream bugs and linked to it...
[07:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: cool :)
[07:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: but I did notice something strange though.. the moment I changed the status of the kopete bugs, LP complains that kopete is a binary package blahblah and turns it into a kdenetwork bug..
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah yes.  kopete source is no longer existant anymore - it's back in kdenetwork, so that' sfine
[07:23] <Jucato> aaah only in source code? (we still package a separate binary for it?)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ie, the binary comes from kdenetwork now, not kopete
[07:24] <Hobbsee> so we dont package a separate binary for it
[07:24] <Jucato> oh
[07:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: about bug 26936, we can probably fix it on Kubuntu first before upstream... or wait for them. I filed an upstream bug for it anyway
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26936 in kdenetwork "unindent keyboard shortcut not working in kate" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26936
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: both, probably, if that's the ctrl+shift+i one.
[07:25] <Jucato> (btw, Ctrl+Shift+R is used in Konqueror)
[07:25] <Jucato> yep. that's the one
[07:25] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:26] <Jucato> I suggest Ctrl+Shift+M, but I'm not totally sure if some other app uses it...
[07:35] <nixternal> how can I force removal of a package that doesn't want to go?
[07:35] <nixternal> I have tried everything I can think of without any luck
[07:38] <Hobbsee> apt-get remove --purge
[07:38] <nixternal> tried that as well, no luck
[07:39] <Hobbsee> you'd have better luck pastebinning what you get when you try each option then
[07:39] <Hobbsee> unless you want us to tell you "defenestrate the computer, or reformat the machine, for optimum results"
[07:39] <Jucato> or do the 3 R's of Windows: Reboot, Reformat, Reinstall :)
[07:41] <yuriy> Jucato: you mean the 10 R's of windows? Reboot, Reformat, Reinstall, Reboot, Reboot, Reboot, Reboot, Reboot, Reboot, Reboot
[07:41] <Jucato> oh yeah hehehe
[07:41] <yuriy> i think i'll count how many it takes next time
[07:42] <nixternal> got it, booged prerm file in var/lib/dpkg/info/
[07:42] <Jucato> btw yuriy, I'll still be going over the other ept bugs. some seem to be valid, but are probably too late (or too low) to fix for feisty
[07:43] <yuriy> Jucato: i think the ones remaining are actually the important ones -- crashes and such. and of course the suckiness at dealing with breakage.  most of the confirmed ones are low.
[07:43] <Jucato> ah.. ok...
[07:45] <Jucato> yuriy: can we set bug 48682 to confirmed? I think it's a known issue that apt doesn't work w/ proxies ootb?
[07:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48682 in ept "adept doesn't work behind a proxy server" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48682
[07:46] <yuriy> Jucato: yeah. i just didn't really have a way to confirm it myself. afaiu, synaptic has settings for it?
[07:46] <Jucato> I can't confirm it myself either... but based on a lot of questions in IRC and the forums, it's a common problem
[07:47] <yuriy> k. that should go upstream
[07:47] <Jucato> upstream... to... him?
[07:48] <yuriy> lol yes
[07:48] <yuriy> i saw a comment by him that he probably wouldn't have time to get adept 3.0 done until december :(
[07:48] <Jucato> ah... by that time... KDE 4... :)
[07:49] <yuriy> so it still won't be redone for feisty+1
[07:51] <yuriy> whoa SoC applications are tommorrow through the 24th
[07:51] <yuriy> do we even have an ideas page?
[07:51] <Jucato> a KDE/Kubuntu package manager? :D
[07:52] <yuriy> Jucato: exactly :D well, to be accurate, somebody to take on adept 3
[07:54] <yuriy> !time Sydney
[07:55] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[07:55] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[07:55] <yuriy> err how do you work that thing again?
[07:55] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: March 13 2007, 17:55:13
[07:55] <yuriy> ah.
[07:55] <yuriy> i was wondering if you're half a day ahead or behind me
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ahead
[07:56] <Jucato> definitely ahead
[08:01] <yuriy> wow 5 ideas listed... i think ubuntu had like 15 slots last year
[08:01] <Jucato> kubuntu has 4 slots right?
[08:01] <yuriy> Jucato: yeah, it did last year
[08:01] <Jucato> this year too
[08:02] <ajmitch> people can submit whatever ideas they want
[08:02] <ajmitch> they shouldn't limit themselves to what others spoonfeed them
[08:02] <yuriy> i think they made the applications a little too early though
[08:04] <yuriy> eh?
[08:04] <Jucato> just looking for something...
[08:05] <Jucato> there's a nice kcm in kcontrol that lets you very conveniently clean up different kinds of cache in one place... not there in system settings... wondering if it's a feature or a bug...
[08:10] <nixternal> man, I am glad I caught this kubuntu-docs issue before it went to press
[08:10] <nixternal> although I have been working on it for hours now
[08:10] <nixternal> the prerm file is booged, and why we have never received a bug on it I will never know
[08:11] <yuriy> isn't that the file conflicts bug?
[08:11] <nixternal> yes, but it goes even deeper
[08:11] <nixternal> I have the file confliction part fixed now I think
[08:11] <nixternal> I had to rename firefox index files
[08:17] <yuriy> night
[08:18] <Jucato> night yuriy!
[08:30] <_StefanS_> hi there
[08:30] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_
[08:30] <Jucato> why what happened?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_!!
[08:31] <_StefanS_> Well the upgrade went far from smooth..
[08:31] <_StefanS_> they capped the line, upgraded it and then left me with an old modem that doesn't do adsl2+
[08:31] <Jucato> oh...
[08:32] <_StefanS_> I managed to get another modem, but then my ip was wrong
[08:32] <_StefanS_> anyways, it was better than the last time... I had to wait for 5 days
[08:32] <_StefanS_> but it works great now... just snagged an iso with 1,5mb/s from u.s.
[08:33] <Jucato> :D
[08:36] <_StefanS_> so anything new happening ?
[08:54] <Jucato> where are these people getting the edgy-proposed repo from!?!? :/
[08:55] <Hobbsee> edgy proposed is a legit repo
[08:56] <Jucato> yes.. but why do they have it? where are they getting it from?
[08:56] <Jucato> they're not testing the dist-upgrade tool btw
[08:56] <Hobbsee> it's the precursor to edgy-updates, for testing
[08:56] <Jucato> because they're all asking the same question...
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's the whole SRU thing
[08:57] <Jucato> I know it's a valid repo... but they don't seem to know that it's a repo for testing packages.. hence sometimes they are surprised that they get this or that update that gives this or that problem
[08:58] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:58] <Jucato> I'm more concerned on finding out "where" they're getting the repo from or who's recommending it...
[08:58] <Jucato> I mean, afaik, stuff in edgy-proposed are still "beta"
[08:59] <Hobbsee> somewhere
[08:59] <Hobbsee> at least it's something we have control over, and they're being careful that it doesnt break people's upgrades
[08:59] <Hobbsee> (with conflicting version numbers)
[09:00] <Jucato> well... the distupgrade tool is another matter entirely :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:04] <_StefanS_> ouch just saw that networkmanager problem over in launchpad ..
[09:04] <_StefanS_> dont know how we should even fix that
[09:53] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have a set of slides about Kubuntu I can use?
[09:53] <sebas> I'm giving a talk at the national LUG about Kubuntu
[09:54] <sebas> And I'd rather not start from scratch creating slides =)
[09:54] <Jucato> oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp (not complete as of edgy, though)
[09:54] <sebas> Where is that?
[09:55] <Jucato> in /usr/share/example-content iirc
[09:55] <Jucato> not sure if the feisty version will be more complete. the one on edgy has some missing images and text
[09:57] <sebas> Jucato: Aye, that's a good start.
[09:57] <sebas> THanks!
[09:58] <Jucato> no problem. that's the same slides I ran in a FOSS conference (just let it run... didn't talk at all hehehe)
[09:58] <Hobbsee> sebas: Riddell's got various slideshows and stuff on kubuntu.org/~jr iirc
[09:58] <sebas> Yay, I consider that bad style though =)
[09:58] <sebas> A talk is mainly a talk, slides should just support the presentation, not the other way round.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> not if you change the background, and the name :P
[09:58] <sebas> Hobbsee: Aye, thanks
[09:59] <sebas> Hm, can't get a listing there.
[09:59] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/
[10:00] <Lure> sebas: raphink did some kubuntu presentation in past
[10:00] <sebas> Jucato: Thanks
[10:00] <Lure> sebas: not sure whre are his slides
[10:00] <raphink> http://raphink.info/talks/
[10:00] <Jucato> hm.. would be nice if we could collect all these slides :)
[10:00] <Lure> hi raphink ;-)
[10:00] <raphink> :)
[10:00] <raphink> hi
[10:01] <sebas> hf Luka ;-)
[10:02] <Hobbsee> heya Lure
[10:02] <Jucato> hi Lure -> meeting :D
[10:15] <_StefanS_> does the stock ubuntu kernel handle more than 2gigs of memory ?
[10:32] <fdoving> _StefanS_: 4G.
[10:32] <fdoving> grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.20-9-generic
[10:32] <fdoving> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
[10:34] <_StefanS_> great thanks
[10:34] <_StefanS_> I wouldn't want to maintain my own 4gb kernel
[10:34] <_StefanS_> I thought about upgrading my lappie to 3gb
[10:46] <Riddell> sebas: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/lugradio2006/
[10:47] <Riddell> Jucato: what news?
[10:47] <Jucato> it crashes.
[10:48] <Jucato> let me see if I can get another backtrace... since the crash handler only showed up once..
[10:48] <Riddell> oh, arse
[10:51] <Jucato> Riddell: crash handler didn't show up again. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10158/
[10:51] <Jucato> Riddell: but I was able to save a backtrace for that one time it did show up... gonna pastebin
[10:52] <Jucato> Riddell: backtrace... no debugging symbols of course... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10159/ :(
[11:32] <sebas> Riddell: When was the last time I told you that I love you?
[11:32] <sebas> Those slides are exactly what I needed.
[11:33] <Jucato> :D
[11:33] <Jucato> Kubuntu love :)
[11:55] <fdoving> anyone know where i can add things to the list of devices in 'rightclick on desktop -> configure desktop -> behavior -> device icons' ?
[12:46] <Riddell> mhb: did you ask for upgrade testers?  I seem to have a few and I'm not sure where they're coming from?
[01:30] <fdoving> don't we supply a trash.desktop anymore?
[01:32] <Riddell> we never did
[01:39] <Riddell> abattoir: some progress on the oem front I hear
[01:39] <abattoir> hi Riddell :)
[01:39] <abattoir> yes, it loops around in the last step though, that has to be fixed
[01:39] <abattoir> Riddell: and then it can be uploaded
[01:40] <abattoir> Riddell: any idea if there is going to be a new wallpaper for feisty?
[01:41] <Riddell> abattoir: I uploaded one from kwwii yesterday which is just a variant in the shades
[01:42] <abattoir> Riddell: aah ok, because i use /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png as the background, so if there is any drastic change, i have to see if it still looks nice, that's why. thanks
[01:42] <Riddell> there's no drastic change
[01:43] <abattoir> Riddell: another thing, ubiquity and oem-config use 100% cpu here... is it because of self.app.processEvents() by any chance?
[01:43] <abattoir> (only the kde-ui s )
[01:43] <Riddell> could be
[01:43] <Riddell> maybe adding a small sleep somewhere would help
[01:44] <abattoir> Riddell: oh ok, i'll have a look thanks
[02:02] <fdoving> Riddell: trash.desktop was there in breezy.
[02:02] <fdoving> not on the desktop. but available to copy there if one wanted.
[02:03] <Riddell> ah well, patches welcome then :)
[02:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you just love patches dont you ;)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> mmm...patches
[02:05] <fdoving> Riddell: do you know how one can add entries to 'kcmshell desktopbehavior' -> device icons ?
[02:06] <Riddell> fdoving: not a clue, look in the source and see where it gets that list from I guess
[02:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wouldnt that be kdesktop ?
[02:07] <fdoving> KmimeType::allMimeTypes();
[02:07] <fdoving> hmm..
[02:07] <fdoving> _StefanS_: it's kcontrol -> konq
[02:08] <fdoving> in kdebase.
[02:08] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I know Tonio has some knowledge into those mime types
[02:08] <Riddell> fdoving: it'll be the files in /usr/share/mimelnk/media  then
[02:08] <_StefanS_> fdoving: in general I mean
[02:08] <fdoving> Riddell: that's strange. because removable_unmounted.desktop exists there, but it's not in the list.
[02:09] <fdoving> there is an exclude list in the source..
[02:09] <fdoving>     QString excludedMedia=g_pConfig->readEntry("exclude","media/hdd_mounted,media/hdd_unmounted,media/floppy_unmounted,media/cdrom_unmounted,media/floppy5_unmounted");
[02:09] <fdoving> no removable_unmounted there either.
[02:10] <_StefanS_> what are you working on?
[02:11] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i want to be able to not mount removable devices when they are connected.
[02:11] <_StefanS_> fdoving: oh, ok ..
[02:11] <fdoving> but still access them from the desktop with the 'unmounted removable device' icon.
[02:11] <_StefanS_> i see
[02:12] <fdoving> i've hacked medianotifier to not mount when i select 'do nothing', but i need to make the icon appear on the desktop too.
[02:12] <Lure> Riddell: k3b rc7 was released today and final is supposed to be in the week - any chance of UVFe?
[02:13] <_StefanS_> the new k3b is just so cool ! - sure hope it will make it :)
[02:14] <Riddell> Lure: I don't want to upload unless trueg says it's ok to do so
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: why would he not like it to get uploaded?
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: I am more concerned that we might not get UVFe due to beta freeze
[02:15] <Lure> Riddell: I can play with packaging it (if seaLne and Tonio_ cannot do it)
[02:15] <Riddell> Lure: asked on #kde-devel, he has said before he doesn't want rcs to be in (incase final doesn't make it, and to make a big splash)
[02:15] <Riddell> Lure: sealne is offline for the forseable future
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: ok, his rc5 package anyway did not work for me :-(
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: before jumping on it, I would just like to know if there is reasonable chance to get it in (even if after beta freeze)
[02:17] <Riddell> Lure: yes there is, but before the thursday freeze would certainly be best
[02:18] <Lure> Riddell: will do my best
[02:35] <Lure> Riddell: any chance to get libdvdread-dev in main (to get DVD ripping by default)
[02:36] <Riddell> Lure: as long as it doesn't have css decryption in it I don't see why not
[02:36] <Riddell> Lure: it would need a main inclusion review of course
[02:36] <Lure> Riddell: it should not have it, as it is in universe
[02:39] <Lure> Riddell: did you add digikamimageplugins to supported? I think this is required for MIR to be processed
[02:39] <Riddell> Lure: I did yes
[02:39] <Lure> Riddell: so we need to wait a day to get to anastacia report and then ping someone (pitti?)
[02:39] <Lure> right?
[02:40] <Riddell> Lure: it doesn't need that, just ping away
[02:40] <Riddell> Lure: but if you want libdvdthing then best to batch them up and ping
[02:40] <kwwii> what are the chances of a dist-upgrade from edgy to herd5 working correctly?
[02:40] <Riddell> kwwii: use the dist-upgrade tool
[02:40] <Lure> Riddell: no, k3b depends will wait - maybe we should first get it in and change depends in next round (with MIR stuff)
[02:41] <nixternal> Riddell: did you see the kubuntu-docs conflict bug?
[02:41] <Riddell> kwwii: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[02:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I saw you talking about it and promising a patch
[02:41] <nixternal> hehe
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya
[02:42] <nixternal> Riddell: I am glad someone posted this bug. Because with the current prerm file, it wouldn't uninstall kubuntu-docs. You would be stuck with it, unless you manually edited /var/libs/dpkg/info/kubuntu-docs.prerm
[02:42] <nixternal> boo
[02:42] <bddebian> booboo
[02:43] <nixternal> hey, that is my daughter's nickname :)
[02:44] <kwwii> Riddell: dude, that page doesn't sound very promising
[02:44] <kwwii> Riddell: I really need this machine right now :-)
[02:45] <nixternal> kwwii: with Oxygen moving to kdelibs, did they use old images to upload to kdelibs? I grabbed the png files yesterday and ummm, there were a lot of old non-oxygen icons
[02:46] <bddebian> nixternal: That's funny.  I call my middle daughter Beccaboo
[02:46] <kwwii> nixternal: I do not think so
[02:46] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice usplash design, btw
[02:46] <Jucato> g'night Hobbsee!
[02:46] <kwwii> night Hobbsee
[02:46] <kwwii> Hobbsee: thnx :-)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> er, today
[02:58] <abattoir> Riddell: new oem-config has been merged, so should get into the archives soon :)
[02:59] <Riddell> exciting
[03:11] <hunger> kubuntu-docs conflicts with ubuntu-docs over /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/firefox-index.html
[03:12] <Riddell> hunger: nixternal says he's working on it
[03:12] <hunger> Great, thanks.
[03:15] <nixternal> hunger: yes, and it is a pain in the arse :)
[03:15] <nixternal> I am on the right track now. I am using the way edubuntu does their ff front page as it doesn't conflict :)
[03:15] <fdoving> nixternal: do you divert?
[03:15] <nixternal> hopefully in 15 minutes if everything goes well I will have a patch
[03:16] <nixternal> fdoving: yes, but I wasn't diverting to the correct location, actually diverting to the same exact ubuntu location
[03:16] <Riddell> Jucato: ?
[03:16] <fdoving> ah.
[03:16] <Riddell> Jucato: ??
[03:16] <Jucato> Riddell: no luck yet...
[03:16] <Riddell> oh
[03:17] <nixternal> and another bug came through, someone found my little prerm bug :)
[03:17] <Riddell> Jucato: so why the big grin?
[03:17] <Jucato> Riddell: just saying hi :)
[03:17] <Riddell> aw man, yu got my hopes up there
[03:17] <Riddell> Jucato: I can recreate the problem too, it happens on ly with kde 3.5.6 and only on i386
[03:17] <Jucato> aw sorry... :(
[03:17] <Jucato> ouch.
[03:17] <Riddell> unfortunately that's the setup that 100% of our testers are using
[03:18] <Jucato> I guess so... a lot of Edgy users most probably upgraded to KDE 3.5.6.. thanks to the kde-latest repo...
[03:25] <nixternal> Riddell: OK, I am close to a fix now. All I need to do is fix the css and image linking and we will be good, BUT
[03:25] <nixternal> I have to goto school now
[03:25] <nixternal> I will have a break in about 3 hours where I can try to finish this up
[03:26] <nixternal> I apologize Riddell for not testing this one. I have a new way of testing now (install, uninstall, and test with possible conflicting packages) before commiting :)
[03:26] <nixternal> chat with ya later, the school house is calling
[03:27] <Riddell> nixternal: cool, thanks
[03:32] <fdoving> Riddell: are you sure KMimeType::allMimeTypes() is picked up from /usr/share/mimelnk/media ?
[03:32] <Riddell> fdoving: nope
[03:32] <Riddell> but I would guess so
[03:33] <fdoving> me too.. but it doesn't work as i expect.
[03:33] <Riddell> the strings match
[03:33] <fdoving> i'll ask in #kde-devel.
[03:51] <nixternal> OK, I have 9 minutes to spare b4 leaving :) let me see if I can crank out a patch this time through
[04:07] <hunger> guidance-power-manager is broken for me again:-(
[04:18] <hunger> Config screen will not close anymore.
[04:27] <Lure> hunger: feisty? nothing changed for weeks
[04:28] <hunger> Lure: Feisty.
[04:28] <hunger> Lure: I have not needed to change some settings for weeks either:-)
[04:29] <Lure> hunger: which button does not work? Can you start it from Konsole and see if any message is printed out?
[04:29] <hunger> Lure: The dialog works, but it is impossible to close it.
[04:30] <Lure> hunger: neither with OK or Cancel?
[04:30] <hunger> Lure: The only way I found was "Quit" in the applet's menu.
[04:30] <hunger> Lure: Neither OK nor Cancel nor the close button on the window.
[04:30] <Lure> hunger: everything works here...
[04:30] <Lure> hunger: did you install new pyqt, pykde, dbus-python or something?
[04:30] <hunger> Lure: It consistently does not here:-)
[04:31] <hunger> Lure: I have a fully updated feisty system.
[04:31] <hunger> I don't know, but I think I had that same problem a while back already.
[04:32] <hunger> like last week or so.
[04:32] <Lure> hunger: please quit, start from Konsole and see if there are any error messages in konsole
[04:33] <hunger> Lure: Aehm... I went ahead and installed kpowersave now;-)
[04:33] <hunger> Lure: One sec, I'll switch back....
[04:33] <Lure> hunger: more problems comming... ;-)
[04:33] <Lure> hunger: but I will work on those after I am done with k3b
[04:35] <hunger> Lure: Works fine when started from the Konsole
[04:35] <hunger> Lure: Does not start at all when started from ALT-F2.
[04:35] <Lure> hunger: funny...
[04:36] <Riddell> kwwii: issue with the usplash, when it's bouncing back and forward it only gets a bit over half way before bouncing back
[04:36] <Riddell> I wonder if some coordinate is off
[04:37] <sebas> hunger: Can you start it from a console and email me the exception you get?
[04:37] <hunger> sebas: It works great from the console!
[04:37] <sebas> Hm, no exceptions? :/
[04:37] <sebas> That is strange.
[04:38] <hunger> sebas: just two failde to open device messages from X... which seem normal on this system:-)
[04:38] <sebas> Well, if you can give me an exception on the console, I'll promise to fix it ASAP.
[04:39] <hunger> sebas: There is none:-( I do not get any problem with the config dialog when running from the Konsole:-(
[04:39] <sebas> Hm, that's really strange.
[04:40] <sebas> I'll think a bit about it.
[04:40] <hunger> sebas: Unfortunately I can not start the guidance-pm applet any other way at this time:-(
[04:41] <sebas> Hmmhmm.
[04:42] <hunger> kpowersave starts fine, both from konsole and from the alt-f2 start thingy.
[04:54] <kwwii> Riddell: hrm, I don't think I changed anything with that
[04:55] <Lure> Riddell: seaLne's rc5 work just works on rc7 - have burned first DVD-RW
[04:56] <Lure> Riddell: will run pbuilder build now and then I am ready to upload test binaries somewhere and source to revu
[04:56] <Lure> Riddell: any place I can upload binaries (my free hosting has size limits)?
[04:57] <Lure> allee: are you interested to host k3b 1.0rc3 test packages for feisty?
[04:59] <apokryphos> Lure: I can provide you free hosting =)
[04:59] <Lure> apokryphos: Riddell just arranged me some space, thanks for offer
[04:59] <apokryphos> ok, cool
[05:00] <kwwii> Riddell: ouch, I found the problem
[05:10] <kwwii> Riddell: pushing a fix now
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: funny, it does not build in pbuilder :-(, this is what seaLne mentioned with rc5
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: it is probably some missing depends...
[05:16] <Riddell> what's the error?
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: test binaries are on http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/k3b/
[05:16] <Jucato> Riddell: I'm going to bed now. going to try updating again when I wake up :)
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: but not built with pbuilder
[05:16] <Riddell> Jucato: I'm pretty much out of ideas
[05:16] <Jucato> Riddell: hm... that's going to be a big problem, right?
[05:17] <Riddell> Jucato: yes :(
[05:17] <Riddell> Jucato: like I say it's only that combination
[05:17] <Lure> Riddell: bunch of /usr/share/qt3/include/qstring.h:847: undefined reference to `QString::shared_null'
[05:17] <Jucato> and I presume that most Kubuntu Edgy users have that combination... :(
[05:18] <fdoving> Lure: source at revu?
[05:18] <Riddell> yes
[05:18] <Lure> fdoving: should be, checking...
[05:18] <Lure> Riddell, fdoving: source is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4576
[05:19] <Lure> Riddell: it build-depends on libqt3-compat-headers - is this ok?
[05:19] <Riddell> should be fine
[05:21] <Lure> Riddell: errors: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/72
[05:21] <Lure> Riddell: there are much more than these, this is just the beginning ;-)
[05:26] <fdoving> Riddell: can you have a look at kdebases debian/patches/kubuntu_83_media_desktop.diff - the changes done to kdebase-3.5.6/kcontrol/konq/desktopbehavior_impl.cpp puzzles me. - why would one want to hardcode those options?
[05:27] <Riddell> fdoving: ask _Sime_
[05:27] <fdoving> _Sime_: can you have a look at kdebases debian/patches/kubuntu_83_media_desktop.diff - the changes done to kdebase-3.5.6/kcontrol/konq/desktopbehavior_impl.cpp puzzles me. - why would one want to hardcode those options?
[05:39] <gamemank> morning
[05:59] <mhb> Riddell: nope
[06:16] <gamemank> bug 25059: bug or feature?
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 25059 in kde-systemsettings "Non-standard button order" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/25059
[06:45] <Bud> quit
[07:05] <Daskreech> Is there supposed to be a one touch button for GUI goodness in Eft+1
[07:05] <fdoving> effects?
[07:07] <Daskreech> comiz I think
[07:07] <Daskreech> cmopiz
[07:07] <Daskreech> com<takes bereath>piz
[07:07] <Daskreech> I did it! :)
[07:08] <Tm_T> bereath?
[07:09] <aboe> I got a question for the kubuntu-devs? will the new kickoff menu be in feisty??
[07:10] <Daskreech> You can install it
[07:10] <Tm_T> What new kickoff?
[07:10] <Daskreech>  !kickoff
[07:10] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[07:10] <aboe> !kickoff
[07:10] <aboe> where can I get a deb package that is build for feisty??
[07:11] <Tm_T> What's new in new one?
[07:11] <Tm_T> ...agh, you misguided me.
[07:12] <Riddell> aboe: there's no official packages, kickoff is developed in such a way that it's impossible to create packages for it without changing core parts of KDE
[07:12] <aboe> that's too bad...
[07:12] <Riddell> yes, it's a shame
[07:13] <Daskreech> So about having one button "desktop Effects"
[07:13] <Tm_T> Yup, atleast I need to compile modified kicker and kcontrol/kicker module.
[07:14] <aboe> so maybe feisty+1 if it is possible at all...
[07:16] <aboe> by the way love the new kubuntu feisty, it feels faster and stable with my system!
[07:17] <Tm_T> I should try with blank user, without old weights from last two years.
[07:20] <mhb> recent upgrade reports issues with kubuntu-docs, is that known?
[07:20] <aboe> I also got a deb package for kde-style-domino...now my kde looks very nice
[07:20] <Tm_T> mhb: Issues?
[07:21] <aboe> is it possible to add kde-style-domino to kubuntu??
[07:21] <mhb>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/firefox-index.html', which is also in package ubuntu-docs
[07:21] <Tm_T> Ah, interesting.
[07:21] <mhb> nixternal: ^^ know that?
[07:21] <Daskreech> seele: ping
[07:21] <nixternal> mhb: yes, working on it now
[07:22] <nixternal> that is the reason for the "heads desk"
[07:22] <mhb> nixternal: :o) thanks
[07:22] <nixternal> I should just be an arse and make kubuntu-docs conflict with ubuntu-docs :)
[07:22] <nixternal> I am having issues with the silly postinst
[07:22] <nixternal> I am hoping my new way here will work
[07:22] <Tm_T> =)
[07:22] <Daskreech> Hmm I wonder if adept could have an option to remove all packages you aren't currently using
[07:23] <mhb> Daskreech: not currently using?
[07:23] <nixternal> only problem with that would be dependencies
[07:23] <Daskreech> Well yeah
[07:23] <Tm_T> Daskreech: How you determine "using" ?
[07:23] <nixternal> by the time you got down to it, there would be just a few apps you could remove without killing deps
[07:23] <Daskreech> Never mind. Just realized the scope of what I'm saying
[07:23] <nixternal> lol
[07:23] <Tm_T> :)
[07:24] <nixternal> Daskreech: I wondered the same thing some time ago, then I had the same realization
[07:24] <Daskreech> I was thinking if you don't have any kde3 apps then remove the kde3 libs
[07:24] <Daskreech> etc
[07:24] <Daskreech> Or if you install an update which makes an old package redundant then get rid of it
[07:24] <nixternal> why would you want to do that? I would just remove anything tied into ubuntu-desktop isntead ;p
[07:24] <Daskreech>  Switching power managers for instance
[07:25] <Daskreech> Tm_T: that's what I was thinking of
[07:25] <nixternal> wow, for some reason building docs has gotten so slow
[07:25] <Tm_T> I don't need that info unless I ask it separately, now I have ~40 packages listed there, or something.
[07:31] <fdoving> Tm_T: i've made a patch to apt-get to do exactly what you want. hang on i'll find the bugreport.
[07:31] <Tm_T> Oh, neat.
[07:31] <fdoving> Tm_T: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/69148
[07:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69148 in apt "'apt-get install somepackage' tells me I have packages to autoremove." [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[07:33] <Tm_T> fdoving: So I take apt sourcepackage, drop diff to debian/patches dir and then call "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" right?
[07:34] <fdoving> Tm_T: use patch to apply the diff, then bump the versionnumber in debian/changelog, then build the package.
[07:34] <fdoving> the diff is rather old, not sure how nice it applies on feisty apt.
[07:35] <Tm_T> Hmm, if it's simple, I do manual patching. :)
[07:35] <fdoving> it is very very simple.
[07:35] <Tm_T> Uuh, too simple, manual that is, thanks. ->
[07:35] <fdoving> 8 lines changed, including documentation.
[07:36] <fdoving> err.. make that 4 :)
[07:36] <fdoving> 4-5 :)
[07:36] <fdoving> to simple to leave out of the official apt imho. :)
[07:36] <fdoving> Daskreech: sorry, i don't like desktop effects
[07:36] <fdoving> even animated menus annoys me.
[07:36] <Daskreech> fdoving: regardless there is a spec for it
[07:37] <fdoving> Daskreech: probably, but i don't care about it.
[07:40] <Daskreech> Well does anyone (outside of caring) know about the spec and it's kubuntu status?
[07:40] <fdoving> Daskreech: i know ubuntu have this 'ubuntu-effects' binary, with a checkbox for starting compiz.
[07:41] <Daskreech> Yeah. Just saw it
[07:42] <nixternal> which doesn't work well I might add
[07:45] <Daskreech> Works better than people coming into the chan Saying OMG I just saw this y0utub3 vid with windows wobbling and a cube. how do I get that?
[07:48] <firephoto> doesn't any desktop effects on kubuntu pretty much kill the K part since kwin is replaced? ;)
[07:48] <fdoving> no.
[07:49] <fdoving> there is kde-window-decorator for compiz, and some other for beryl, that mimics kwin pretty well.
[07:49] <Daskreech> kwin_composite :)
[07:49] <mhb> you can change window manager without killing the session
[07:50] <firephoto> right but I thought these were other window managers, so any feature of kwin is gone. i don't really care for the look of anything, it's how it functions.
[07:50] <fdoving> you also often end up without an window manager.
[07:50] <mhb> yes, kwin is superior to beryl in terms of functionality
[07:51] <mhb> that is why we are waiting for kwin4 for the real desktop effects (I guess)
[07:52] <Daskreech> mhb: Or in the case of fdoving the abiilty to turn them all off :)
[07:52] <fdoving> :)
[07:56] <_Sime_> hey all
[08:02] <fdoving> hi _sime_, i asked you a question while you were away, do you have it in your away log or do you want it again?
[08:02] <_Sime_> I read it.
[08:02] <fdoving> great.
[08:03] <_Sime_> that patch removes unmounted "things" from the list.
[08:03] <fdoving> yes.
[08:03] <_Sime_> basically, the concept of "mount vs unmount" doesn't have a place in the GUI anymore.
[08:04] <fdoving> so you have to go to the commadnline to partition your removable device, because unmount doesn't exist in the gui?
[08:05] <fdoving> also, then the rightclick-on-removable-device -> properties -> mounting -> auto mount option behaves strange.
[08:06] <_Sime_> your partition tool should handle mount/unmount for you.
[08:06] <_Sime_> re rightclick. I'm not sure if that stuff works at all well. It probably should be removed.
[08:07] <fdoving> I want an option to not automount devices.
[08:07] <fdoving> that's not supported currently.
[08:08] <fdoving> let's say i have a removable device with 5 partitions, one is interessting to me, the 4 others are just there. when ever i plug that device in, i get 5 medianotification-popups asking me what to do.
[08:08] <_Sime_> what is the use case for that? And is it reasonable for the user group targetted by kubuntu?
[08:09] <_Sime_> that is hardly common. (Although the media popup should be much smarter, granted).
[08:09] <fdoving> i don't know what the targeted user group of kubuntu is, but i expect to be able to not automount everything i plugin.
[08:10] <fdoving> i think it's a 3-line fix in kdebase.
[08:10] <fdoving> it's still compiling , havent had the chance to test yet.
[08:11] <fdoving> i've changed the 'do nothing' action, to do nothing, not even mount.
[08:12] <fdoving> and i've changed the 'auto mount' option in properties to default to "true".
[08:13] <fdoving> and i reverted the change that removed removable devices from the desktopbehavior -> device icons list.
[08:14] <Lure> _Sime_: why do we need python 2.4 for displayconfig? feisty has moved to 2.5...
[08:14] <_Sime_> fdoving: do you think that the average user will understand that "Do nothing" means make my device disappear?
[08:15] <fdoving> _Sime_: it doesn't dissappear, it's displayed on the desktop, mounts on request.
[08:15] <_Sime_> Lure: because that is what it has been tested on, and that is what it is compiled/packaged for.
[08:15] <fdoving> _Sime_: that's default kde behavior.
[08:16] <_Sime_> fdoving: it won't appear in konq.
[08:16] <_Sime_> fdoving: not under /media
[08:16] <fdoving> _Sime_: and, since "auto mount" is enabled by default, it doesn't really change anything, the device is mounted before the medianotification popup is closed, that's all.
[08:16] <Lure> _Sime_: so problem is only with X C code plugin, right?
[08:16] <_Sime_> Lure: yeah. It is probably trivial to port to 2.5.
[08:17] <_Sime_> Lure: it is more a testing / time issue.
[08:17] <fdoving> _Sime_: the change allows me to optionally uncheck the 'automount' option from the devices i don't want to mount, but still be able to mount/access them from the desktop and media:/
[08:17] <Lure> _Sime_: problem is that the rest of guidance already runs fine with 2.5 - it was changed as part of the move of all packages to 2.5
[08:19] <_Sime_> fdoving:  media:/ is deprecated.
[08:20] <fdoving> _Sime_: but it's still there.
[08:20] <_Sime_> fdoving: yes, but only people who know that it exists will find it. New users are not sent to media:/.
[08:21] <fdoving> they get the device on their desktop.
[08:21] <fdoving> mounted or unmounted doesn't matter.
[08:21] <fdoving> only difference is the green mounted "tag".
[08:21] <_Sime_> Lure: I saw some bug reports that looked like python 2.5 was being used, but the C modules were not available (=> compilied for python 2.4).
[08:22] <Lure> _Sime_: this might have been during transition (it took us more than a week to fix everything)
[08:22] <Lure> _Sime_: and it looks like we are not done yet ;-)
[08:22] <_Sime_> Lure: I'll check it in a sec.
[08:23] <_Sime_> just gotta update my feisty.
[08:23] <_Sime_> fdoving: I'm not sure if that will work correctly, now that media:/ is not used.
[08:23] <_Sime_> fdoving: you may certainly try it out.
[08:24] <fdoving> _Sime_: i will. still waiting for the compiling.
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: I have compared pbuilder and debuild build logs. The only diff is that pbuilder does not find gawk (in configure), and that pbuilder reports "Session management error" when running  uic
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: the rest is the same... Will add gawk to build depend just to exclude it (even though I doubt it)
[08:37] <Lure> I still think it is something in header files (more headers installed on main system than in pbuilder)
[08:44] <_Sime_> Lure: kde-guidance looks ok.
[09:08] <Daskreech> crimsun: Busy?
[09:08] <crimsun> Daskreech: yes, sorry. What's the status?
[09:09] <Daskreech> I'm stuck at the sudo modprobe step
[09:09] <Daskreech> if I have a via audio device it should be something like modprobe snd-via8763 ?
[09:10] <crimsun> Daskreech: no, snd-via82xx
[09:10] <Daskreech> literally xx ?
[09:10] <crimsun> literally.
[09:10] <Daskreech> ah
[09:11] <crimsun> the only exception is if the via audio device is very, very new, in which case you'd use snd-hda-intel
[09:11] <Daskreech> ah
[09:11] <Daskreech> We don't have anything very new here :)
[09:12] <Daskreech>  the newest thing is either some ram or a 9600 video card
[09:12] <Daskreech> on to alsamixer!
[09:14] <Daskreech> Thanks crimsun :-)
[09:14] <Daskreech> Let me know where to send the beer :)
[09:51] <seele> Daskreech: pong
[09:51] <Daskreech> seele: got in touch with josef?
[09:51] <seele> i got an email last week
[09:52] <seele> but i havnt heard about it since then
[09:52] <Daskreech> alright
[09:52] <seele> unfortunately i have about ten other things on my list that i havnt actively done anything about it :-/
[09:53] <Daskreech> He seems to oscillate between working on ggz and knewstuff2
[09:53] <Daskreech> seele: send them to me I'll actively do nothing about them for you
[09:55] <seele> haha
[10:00] <mhb> hi kwwii
[10:00] <mhb> how's the artwork?
[10:00] <kwwii> howdy mhb
[10:00] <kwwii> busy, busy
[10:02] <Daskreech> artwork shouldn't be busy :-( it should be clean and elegant
[10:12] <kwwii> lol
[10:16] <nixternal> is @ubuntu.com email down?
[10:17] <fdoving> .. testing.
[10:18] <danohuiginn> hi all. If I move a .desktop file out of /usr/share/applications, is the KDE menu supposed to automatically update?
[10:18] <fdoving> nixternal: works for me.
[10:19] <danohuiginn> [I'm trying to add a .desktop file to a package, and it doesn't seem to be removing itself from the menus correctly] 
[10:19] <Daskreech> eww
[10:19] <Daskreech> The Kword icon looks horrible
[10:19] <yuriy> new or old?
[10:21] <nixternal> well then, I haven't received any email all day, which I find hard to believe
[10:22] <Daskreech> old
[10:22] <nixternal> hrmm, seems gmail may be the issue
[10:22] <nixternal> let me requote that then, is anyone else experiencing gmail issues? :)
[10:23] <yuriy> is bug 25059 a bug or a feature or just silly?
[10:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 25059 in kde-systemsettings "Non-standard button order" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/25059
[10:23] <mhb> nixternal: no, as I have ubuntu.com redirected to gmail
[10:23] <mhb> nixternal: some mail has arrived today for me
[10:26] <nixternal> it did earlier for me as well. According to gmail.com the service is temporary unavailable
[10:34] <Riddell> danohuiginn: yes it should, run kbuildsycoca to be sure
[10:35] <Jannex> Riddell: I just sent you an email, please take a look :)
[10:35] <Lure> Riddell: I am getting out of ideas regarding k3b pbuilder problem
[10:35] <Lure> :-(
[10:35] <Riddell> Lure: I got the same issue
[10:36] <danohuiginn> thanks, Riddell. should I report a bug that it doesn't for me?
[10:36] <Riddell> Lure: I e-mailed trueg about it, but not sure if he would be able to help
[10:36] <Lure> Riddell: it is interesting that it is only for kioslaves dir
[10:36] <danohuiginn> I crash kicker by clicking on a menu entry when the .desktop file isn't there
[10:36] <Riddell> danohuiginn: if you like
[10:36] <Lure> Riddell: it is something in out headers or autoconf/automake mess
[10:37] <Daskreech> yuriy: :-D
[10:37] <Daskreech> Good luck making use of it
[10:37] <yuriy> Daskreech: maximizing vertically is quite useful actually
[10:37] <Daskreech> Yeah
[10:37] <yuriy> just have to remember
[10:41] <_Sime_> anyone know how you can set up konq to show archive files as directories? i.e. not in ark.
[10:46] <kwwii> nixternal: ping? I am working on some pics for the new website, think you might want to help?
[10:48] <Daskreech> Hmm
[10:49] <Daskreech> kdesvn isn't showing oxygen as svg?
[10:50] <Daskreech> Oh scalable. duh :)
[10:56] <yuriy> kwwii: wine icon in oxygen? o_O
[10:56] <Daskreech> Hmm no kword though
[10:56] <kwwii> yuriy: ;-)
[10:59] <Daskreech> kwwii: that's correct? No Kword icon as yet?
[11:00] <kwwii> Daskreech: nope
[11:00] <Daskreech> okie :) Just wanted to give an opinion
[11:00] <Daskreech> So far I think there is a tad too much opacity :)
[11:00] <Daskreech>  how about that?
[11:01] <kwwii> not sure what you mean, really
[11:02] <yuriy> heh already loving the new splash screen
[11:03] <yuriy> kwwii: what exactly is that wine icon for? it's not very informative to put on .exe's or in system settings. or is it for the alcoholic sort? :D
[11:03] <yuriy> looks nice though
[11:03] <kwwii> it is for the menu, mainly
[11:04] <kwwii> as an app icon
[11:04] <kwwii> and I guess for .exe as well
[12:00] <mhb> oh, and by the way: today's my birthday
[12:01] <Lure> mhb: congrats
[12:01] <Lure> mine is in two days ;-)
[12:01] <mhb> Lure: nice ... and thanks
[12:06] <MidMark> there is no fix for usb safe remove?
[12:07] <MidMark> sorry for asking times to times
[12:07] <MidMark> but I'm curious
[12:07] <Hobbsee> MidMark: mount as sync.  apart from that, no.
[12:08] <MidMark> Hobbsee: in Feisty is already done mount with sync?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> yay, lure!
[12:09] <Hobbsee> MidMark: no, because that breaks various other things, that i dont remember right now
[12:09] <Hobbsee> well, maybe not breaks.  other undesirable effects
[12:10] <MidMark> mmm also losing data break things
[12:11] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: congrats!
[12:11] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[12:12] <Hobbsee> MidMark: true that.  there's no optimum solution.  pick one, and patch for it, and send the patch to the kubuntu-devel mailing list
[12:12] <Hobbsee> make sure you pick the most sane one
[12:12] <MidMark> there is no discussion here about this yet?
[12:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks