[12:38] <nysosym> good evening :)
[12:39] <nysosym> kwwii, i haven't updated my kubuntu yet, but i have seen the new ubuntu splash in the forum.
[12:39] <kwwii> hehe
[12:39] <kwwii> I thought it might arouse discussion
[12:39] <kwwii> kinda did it on purpose
[12:39] <nysosym> i like it, but the contrast between the red/orange is a little bit to heavy
[12:40] <kwwii> yepp
[12:41] <nysosym> and the brown left corner looks a little bit missplaced
[12:41] <kwwii> don't worry, it will change soon
[12:42] <nysosym> hehe, only a test? :D
[12:43] <nysosym> tomorrow i will comment the kubuntu stuff
[12:44] <lapo> link?
[12:44] <nysosym> it's to late today and i wan't start my machine
[12:45] <nysosym> lapo, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=27252&d=1173735696
[12:45] <lapo> kwwii: kubuntu, red/orange?
[12:45] <lapo> nysosym: thanks
[12:45] <nysosym> lapo, no it's for ubuntu
[12:45] <lapo> ah
[12:46] <lapo> not really my thing, but not bad
[12:48] <andreasn> hi lapo
[12:48] <lapo> hey andreasn
[12:48] <andreasn> tangerine going well?
[12:49] <nysosym> hi andreasn :)
[12:49] <lapo> andreasn, somewhat I have something which actually builds at least
[12:49] <andreasn_> hi nysosym
[12:49] <lapo> andreasn: you can check it out from bazaar.launchpad.net somewhere
[12:49] <andreasn> oh?
[12:50] <lapo> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~calamandrei/tangerine-icon-theme/ubuntu
[12:50] <lapo> I believe
[12:52] <nysosym> there is nothing lapo
[12:53] <lapo> nysosym: is should be a bazaar repo
[12:53] <andreasn> what's the command now again
[12:53] <lapo> s/is/it/
[12:53] <andreasn> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~calamandrei/tangerine-icon-theme/ubuntu/ don't work for me
[12:53] <lapo> andreasn: it should be bzr checkout <that link>
[12:53] <lapo> uhm
[12:55] <andreasn> hm
[12:56] <lapo> andreasn: it works for me
[12:58] <andreasn> "bzr: ERROR: Target directory "ubuntu" already exists.
[12:58] <andreasn> "
[12:58] <lapo> mkdir something
[12:58] <nysosym> remove it or configure bzr new :)
[12:58] <lapo> and cd there
[12:59] <andreasn> all right
[01:01] <andreasn> ah, bzr merge with my old tangerine checkout seemed to work
[01:03] <nysosym> brb
[01:03] <andreasn> lapo: looks great
[01:04] <nysosym> whats new? :D
[01:04] <lapo> andreasn: not much different from the old one
[01:04] <lapo> nysosym: nothing special, a bit brights and polished here and there
[01:04] <lapo> brighter
[01:04] <andreasn> some 16x16 stuff seemed sharper + the menu editing icon
[01:05] <lapo> ah yeah, I redid all the 16x16 computers, so nicer 22x22 network status icons
[01:05] <andreasn> and the folders looks much better now, sharper
[01:05] <lapo> it doesn't look like a pair of notebooks anymore
[01:06] <nysosym> aa sounds good :)
[01:07] <nysosym> will these integrated in feisty? :D
[01:07] <lapo> I hope so
[01:07] <lapo> ah the major improovment is 32x32 icons
[01:07] <lapo> ugh, my typos get worse in the night :-)
[01:08] <nysosym> yes 1am here ^
[01:15] <lapo> uhm g'nite
[01:17] <nysosym> i will go also gn8 my friends :)
[02:02] <kwwii> time for bed here too
[10:38] <nysosym> hi there :)
[11:16] <funpop> there should be a little fawn somewhere in feisty
[12:26] <lapo> hi
[12:44] <bersace> hi all
[12:44] <bersace> i posted HumanFeistyList at gnomelook
[12:44] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=54505
[12:44] <bersace> I think this is a good idea to post contents here, this allow to see if people are happy with it or not.
[12:50] <bersace> kwwii: http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=54505
[12:50] <bersace> hi !
[12:50] <kwwii> howdy bersace
[12:51] <kwwii> sweet!
[12:51] <bersace> kwwii: i try to post on gnomelook my production for ubuntu-art in order to get feedback
[12:51] <kwwii> bersace: excellent idea :-)
[12:51] <bersace> see my first attempt : http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=36862
[12:51] <bersace> one year ago
[12:53] <kwwii> hehe
[12:53] <kwwii> using different icons like that looks nice
[12:55] <bersace> those icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps/faces
[12:55] <bersace> installed by default
[12:55] <bersace> selectable with about-me !
[12:55] <bersace> ubuntu does not sucks that much :P
[12:56] <kwwii> lol
[12:56] <bersace> i guess that all account should have a random default faces from this folder
[12:56] <kwwii> cool, I'll have to pic one
[12:57] <bersace> Or use a decent nobody icon
[12:57] <kwwii> yeah, that would be a good idea
[12:58] <kwwii> I'll submit a new session splash today, btw :-)
[12:58] <bersace> nice
[12:58] <bersace> did you upload HumanFeistyList ?
[12:58] <bersace> Or do you intend to wait for a new HumanFeisty ?
[12:59] <kwwii> I'll upload that today as well
[12:59] <kwwii> at first I thought about waiting but I think it would just be easier to do it now
[01:00] <bersace> ok
[01:01] <bersace> I would like to have more and more feedback about Human*List
[01:01] <bersace> As you can see at gnomelook, i'm not the only one who did Human*List variant
[01:02] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:02] <kwwii> maybe for feisty+1 we'll get a nifty 3d version
[01:02] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=22926
[01:03] <bersace> would be so nice
[01:03] <kwwii> yepp
[01:04] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=32045
[01:04] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=29784
[01:05] <lapo> bersace: I like http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=32045
[01:05] <kwwii> hehe, that seems to be very popular :-)
[01:06] <lapo> bersace: the composition is nice
[01:06] <bersace> lapo: strange, i dislike the list aside from logo
[01:07] <lapo> bersace: I don't know the theming capatibilty of the user browser, but it would be cool to have it more integrated in the bg
[01:07] <bersace> you don't like the white bg of HumanFeistyList ?
[01:08] <bersace> i agree it's not that consistent with ubuntulooks
[01:08] <lapo> bersace: with the list not being a foreign element
[01:08] <bersace> however, it allow to smoothly blend, just like the entry
[01:08] <lapo> bersace: not so much, it's bold
[01:08] <bersace> i agree gdm lists are kind of foreign element
[01:08] <bersace> the font ?
[01:08] <bersace> it depends on driver
[01:08] <bersace> (yes, that sucks)
[01:09] <bersace> i do not have that with radeon, but with i810 
[01:09] <bersace> see http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/Images/Captures/Gnome/GDM/Themes/HumanFeistyList/
[01:09] <lapo> I haven't tested it here directly but usually with nvidia on a 16:10 screen I get strane result with fonts
[01:09] <bersace> ack
[01:10] <bersace> i guess that's a gtkrc matter
[01:10] <bersace> i copy-paste ubuntulooks gtkrc
[01:11] <lapo> bersace: I prefer the list on the side because you have the logo way too up imho with your current design
[01:12] <bersace> agree, however, the purpose of GDM is not to show logo, but login screen
[01:12] <bersace> this is why i set login box at center with 50% height
[01:12] <bersace> (50% of the screen)
[01:12] <bersace> gdm is not usplash ;)
[01:12] <bersace> also, this depend a lot on your screen size
[01:12] <bersace> since it's a flexible theme
[01:13] <lapo> bersace: yep, infact I think a central logo is not the best thing to have designwise
[01:13] <bersace> i might divide the screen in 3
[01:13] <lapo> bersace: look at what the fedora core are doing
[01:13] <bersace> logo/login/empty
[01:13] <lapo> bersace: http://www.isity.net/blog/
[01:13] <bersace> i know
[01:14] <bersace> their theme is nice
[01:14] <bersace> except the black
[01:14] <bersace> also, it's too wide
[01:14] <bersace> i dunno if its flexible
[01:15] <bersace> I wonder if i should tune gtkrc for the theme
[01:15] <bersace> I may do so for the next version
[01:16] <lapo> yeah the black is not optimal, but the way they integrated the face browser tuning he gtk rc is nice
[01:17] <lapo> well at least it doesn't look like a foreign body :-)
[01:17] <bersace> ok
[01:17] <bersace> i will do that
[01:17] <bersace> thanks for the feedback
[01:18] <lapo> you're welcome :-)
[01:19] <nysosym> hi there :)
[01:19] <lapo> yo nysosym
[01:20] <kwwii> bersace: uploading the GDM package now
[01:20] <bersace> yeah ! :D
[01:22] <nysosym> wow, for ubuntu or kubuntu? :)
[01:22] <andreasn> hi nysosym (though I might say hi first for a difference ;)
[01:23] <nysosym> hi andreasn, yes i think so ^^
[02:21] <nysosym> hallo Leute :)
[02:21] <nysosym> nutzt hier jemand Kontact mit 2 E-Mail Accounts?
[02:22] <nysosym> ahhh wrong channel sry
[02:27] <kwwii> nysosym: ja, ich tu es
[02:29] <nysosym> kwwii: aber nur wenn ich dich nicht gerade stre ;)
[02:29] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:30] <kwwii> nysosym: wie kann ich helfen?
[02:31] <nysosym> Ich habe einen GMail Account und einen bei 1und1, leider trennt Kontact diese nicht sauber genug voneinander. Das heit, wenn ich ber 1und1 eine Mail verschicke, schickt der auch meine Gmail Adresse mit...
[02:31] <nysosym> das will ich unterbinden.
[02:33] <kwwii> nysosym: hrt sich wie ein weiterleitung an, irgendwie
[02:34] <kwwii> oder ist es in dein Profil?
[02:34] <kwwii> ich habe 4 accounts, 3 POP und 1 IMAP
[02:34] <kwwii> und es funktioniert prima
[02:34] <nysosym> hmm theoretisch wei mein GMail Account nichts von meinem bei 1und1 was auch so bleiben soll :D
[02:35] <kwwii> welche ist als Default eingetragen?
[02:35] <nysosym> der Gmail Account ist als Standard
[02:36] <nysosym> wre schn wenn das so bleiben knnte, denn die 1und1 Adresse will ich nur bei bestimmten Personen einsetzen
[02:37] <nysosym> ahhja, wenn ich den standard Account auf den 1und1 lege, schickt er die GMail Adresse nicht mehr mit
[02:37] <nysosym> hmm jedes mal umstellen ist doch mist
[02:38] <kwwii> hehe
[02:38] <elkbuntu> you guys are talking about me, arent you. admit it.. :
[02:38] <kwwii> elkbuntu: howdy :-)
[02:38] <kwwii> nysosym: stimmt
[02:38] <nysosym> hi elkbuntu :)
[02:39] <elkbuntu> 'sup? making ubuntu sexy, kwwii?
[02:39] <elkbuntu> ;)
[02:39] <nysosym> elkbuntu: sry for german, but my english isn't very good and i have a special problem wih Kontact :-/
[02:39] <kwwii> elkbuntu: that has become the goal of my life, it seems
[02:39] <elkbuntu> nysosym, thats fine :)
[02:40] <elkbuntu> kwwii, better you than some others, that's for sure
[02:40] <kwwii> lol
[02:40] <elkbuntu> just keep the crotches out of it ;)
[02:40] <kwwii> that is just too funny, really
[02:41] <kwwii> when I made the pic I said that someone would say that....it *always* happens to me
[02:41] <elkbuntu> hehe
[02:41] <kwwii> honestly, almost every wallpaper I have made has received comments like that
[02:41] <elkbuntu> convex and concave lines running parallel with horny geeks will always render that sort of reaction ;)
[02:43] <nysosym> kwwii: i have a solution for my problem :)
[02:43] <nysosym> kwwii: thx for all :)
[02:44] <kwwii> nysosym: cool ;-)
[02:45] <nysosym> kwwii: when i will send an E-mail i should change my identity AND "use send with XXX"
[02:45] <nysosym> horrible ^^
[02:47] <kwwii> nysosym: ouch
[02:47] <kwwii> nysosym: it might also be due to the server you've picked as default for sending
[02:48] <nysosym> kwwii: cu later :)
[03:16] <goliath23> hi
[03:16] <goliath23> does anyone know what color-palette is used in the (edgy) usplash when the text-colors are specified?
[03:17] <goliath23> I built my ohn usplash, and exepcted, that one of the palettes of my splash-images is used. but it seems the palette for the text colors is some other palette.
[03:17] <goliath23> any idea?
[03:35] <kwwii> goliath23: that is in the .c file in the theme
[03:35] <kwwii> goliath23: there are offsets defined into the colormap
[03:39] <goliath23> kwwii: pardon? I don't quite understand. from what I see in the code of libusplash I'd expect those entries for fg and bg text color would be absolute in values to colors in my pixmap's colour palette, right?
[03:40] <goliath23> 	/* Palette indexes */
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.background             = 0xFF,
[03:40] <goliath23>   	.progressbar_background = 0x7,
[03:40] <goliath23>   	.progressbar_foreground = 0x156,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_background        = 0xFF,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_foreground        = 0x0,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_success           = 0x0,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_failure           = 0x0,
[03:40] <goliath23> this is what I have
[03:41] <goliath23> but somehow the text foreground color is blue. I have no blue color in the pixmaps' palette however
[03:45] <troy_s> goliath23: You can generate your own palette
[03:46] <goliath23> how? I thought the palette of the theme's pixmap was used?
[03:46] <kwwii> goliath23: exactly
[03:47] <kwwii> goliath23: you can define those numbers to determine the colors
[03:47] <goliath23> so why do I have a blue text foreground color if I have no blue color in the pixmaps palette?
[03:47] <kwwii> erm...that should not happen
[03:47] <troy_s> goliath23: Go and look at the exact palette using a reliable image editor.
[03:47] <goliath23> I use gimp
[03:47] <troy_s> goliath23: I know that at one point during the last usplash development, Gimp had some issues with proper palette allocations
[03:48] <troy_s> under certain particular instances (namely the Usplash allocation)
[03:48] <troy_s> IIRC use Imagemagick's identify to examine the palette.
[03:48] <troy_s> from the command line
[03:48] <goliath23> ok, hold on
[03:49] <troy_s> goliath23: It is impossible to beat Imagemagick's reliability.
[03:49] <goliath23> do you know the exact command? or tool?
[03:49] <troy_s> goliath23: I don't know too much about the current Usplash implementation, but you should generally check that the number of colours in the palette is as required.
[03:49] <troy_s> identify
[03:50] <goliath23> david@freebox:~/projects/flashtool/bcsxp-usplash-theme$ identify usplash_800_600.png
[03:50] <goliath23> usplash_800_600.png PNG 800x600 800x600+0+0 PseudoClass 256c 44kb
[03:50] <troy_s> do a verbose identify
[03:50] <troy_s> identify -verbose usplash_800_600.png
[03:51] <goliath23> what can I read from it? what's the important part?
[03:51] <troy_s> if you look down you will see the palette information
[03:51] <troy_s> and the bytecodes of the number of colours
[03:51] <goliath23> yeah, it shows me the colors
[03:51] <troy_s> iirc correctly, gimp for one reason or another
[03:52] <troy_s> added an extra colour (well at least the gimp that ships with ubuntu -- the newers seems to not do this)
[03:52] <troy_s> numerically speaking
[03:53] <goliath23> I have colour indicies from 0 to 255 says imagemagick
[03:53] <goliath23> the first color is the same as in gimp, but the last few are different from what I can see at a glanze
[03:53] <goliath23> oh wait
[03:54] <goliath23> no
[03:54] <goliath23> both show the same I guess, I hade two images open
[03:56] <goliath23> hmmm
[04:00] <goliath23> none of my pixmaps has a blue color in it, though, a blue color is used. maybe the kubuntu people patched something there? But I think the same usplash code is used for both, just the usplash-theme differs
[04:03] <troy_s> The only thing that will result in blue
[04:03] <troy_s> in an 8bit display mode
[04:03] <troy_s> is having the palette register a blue colour
[04:03] <troy_s> which means that you have blue somewhere in that palette.
[04:04] <troy_s> it is also why i said to check the number of colours -- if you are under by one etc you can end up with a colour you didn't expect
[04:07] <goliath23> It doesn't look like 8 bit is used and still I get a blue color
[04:13] <troy_s> well it should be an 8 bit image
[04:13] <troy_s> is it flagged as such?
[04:18] <goliath23> hm
[04:18] <goliath23> how do I flag it as such in gimp?
[04:22] <goliath23> I think I just created a normal image and then indexed it with gimp
[04:26] <goliath23> hm  Channel depth:
[04:26] <goliath23>     Red: 8-bits
[04:26] <goliath23>     Green: 8-bits
[04:26] <goliath23>     Blue: 8-bits
[04:32] <troy_s> that is a 24bit image goliath23
[04:33] <goliath23> uhm
[04:33] <troy_s> you need to set the _total_ number of colours to 256 (0-255)
[04:33] <troy_s> unless it is just reading out how much depth the palette has
[04:33] <goliath23> how do I do that in gimp? because the palette only shows me 0-255 colors to choose from
[04:33] <troy_s> (which case an 8bit indexed image almost always has 24 bits of colour depth)
[04:34] <troy_s> when using gimp did you change your mode from RGB to indexed
[04:34] <troy_s> ?
[04:34] <goliath23> es
[04:34] <goliath23> yes
[04:34] <troy_s> can you dcc me the file?
[04:34] <goliath23> yes
[04:34] <goliath23> wait, I put it on webspace
[04:35] <goliath23> troy_s: http://www.vidsolbach.de/tmp/usplash_1024_768.png
[04:37] <troy_s> looking
[04:38] <troy_s> ok i see nothing but aqua blues and teals in the palette
[04:38] <troy_s> (aside from a bunch of greys)
[04:39] <troy_s> goliath23: Is it not possible it is pulling one of those aqua's out of the palette?
[04:39] <goliath23> wait
[04:41] <troy_s> aside from that, the image looks fine.
[04:41] <goliath23> http://www.vidsolbach.de/tmp/bcsxp-usplash-theme.tar.gz
[04:41] <troy_s> (speaking in terms of colour depth / palette indexes)
[04:42] <goliath23> this is the whole theme, which is not working for me. I want the text background to the white and foreground black (especially the text to remove the cd after stopping the live cd, but I guess that is treated like normal text
[04:42] <troy_s> goliath23: Exactly what portion of the image is getting corrupted?
[04:43] <goliath23> only the "remove cd and hit enter...text"
[04:43] <troy_s> So everything is fine except for the text?
[04:43] <goliath23> yes
[04:44] <troy_s> The text is coming up what colour currently?
[04:44] <goliath23> those number for text foreground and background range from 0-255 and are palette indicies, right?
[04:44] <troy_s> Should be, yes.
[04:44] <goliath23> currently, hold on, just have it in vmware here
[04:44] <troy_s> Although I can't say with 100% certainty as I haven't played with the newer usplash too much.
[04:45] <goliath23> it should be the edgy version
[04:46] <goliath23> currently it comes up with 004100
[04:46] <troy_s> a greeny aqua colour?
[04:46] <troy_s> hrm... middle green should be
[04:46] <goliath23> the text foreground is 000008
[04:49] <goliath23> there is no such color in the pixmap according to gimp
[04:49] <troy_s> Yeah doesn't look like it.
[04:49] <troy_s> Well the creator of the usplash code is here
[04:49] <troy_s> You can ping him if you want and perhaps, if he has time, he might be able to help you.
[04:50] <troy_s> I strongly suspect it is somewhere in the image format that something is getting bungled.
[04:50] <troy_s> Perhaps in the png to bogl
[04:50] <troy_s> or like area
[04:50] <goliath23> ok
[04:50] <troy_s> You could look over the .c files output and see if there are any colours that match your
[04:50] <troy_s> issue.
[04:50] <troy_s> Again though
[04:50] <troy_s> when running in vmware
[04:50] <troy_s> you aren't in a palettized mode
[04:50] <troy_s> which means that you can always expect strangeness.
[04:51] <goliath23> troy_s: why should vmware be a problem? (sorry, I'm not familiar with image formats)
[04:51] <troy_s> As in it is actually 'simulating' a palettized mode (unless you run in an 8 bit colour depth -- which case you will be subject to the currently running palette)
[04:51] <troy_s> It has more to do with the actual display mode
[04:52] <goliath23> hm
[04:52] <goliath23> ok, but black should still display as black, and not green, right?
[04:52] <troy_s> The display mode for an 8bits per pixel display has a tricky little bit of video hardware translation -- the single byte references the hardware's 256 colour palette as set
[04:52] <troy_s> well theoretically it shouldn't be an issue, but I know from experience that not all emulated 8 bit palettized displays play nicely
[04:53] <troy_s> To be 100% conclusive, you really would need to try the blob in a native 8 bit display (aka actually boot using the splash)
[04:53] <troy_s> to avoid potential translation errors
[04:54] <troy_s> At least, that is what I would do.
[04:54] <troy_s> Assuming it works, it could very well be a driver / mode related issue
[04:54] <troy_s> Again, when you are in a 24 bpp display zone and you are simulating an 8 bit image (as vmware would be doing) you are actually getting a
[04:54] <goliath23> the .c looks fine
[04:55] <troy_s> rendered window that is completely 'translated' to approximate what happens in an 8bits per pixel display
[04:55] <troy_s> it is _not_ an 8 bit per pixel display in reality -- it is the same depth as your current desktop resolution.
[04:55] <goliath23> ok
[04:55] <troy_s> Which means the palette indexing and such is all handled via software.
[04:55] <troy_s> Or translation hardware.
[04:55] <goliath23> but If I boot on the other pc here I get the same problem and same colors
[04:55] <troy_s> As in you boot and you get that issue?
[04:56] <troy_s> without vmware?
[04:56] <goliath23> yes
[04:56] <troy_s> Then it is definitely an image problem
[04:56] <goliath23> or a usplash problem..
[04:56] <troy_s> Talk to S.eveas
[04:56] <troy_s> He is the fellow who wrote the code, he MIGHT be able to help you.  But again, most people are very busy around here.
[04:56] <goliath23> Seveas: ping? ^^
[04:56] <goliath23> sure
[04:57] <troy_s> Ok.  Hopefully you will find someone more helpful than myself.
[04:57] <goliath23> maybe there's a standard palette, that has #004100 in it?
[04:57] <goliath23> troy_s: thanks for your help!
[04:57] <troy_s> No.  Unless it allocates certain colours to certain indexes.
[04:57] <troy_s> But again, I don't recall that being the case.
[04:57] <troy_s> Perhaps it is.
[04:57] <troy_s> Again, sevea.s can probably help you / if / when he has time
[04:58] <goliath23> sure. I pinged him, maybe he sees it
[04:58] <goliath23> i'll relogin using screen to see if he comes back to me.
[04:58] <troy_s> goliath23: Until then, try using a different image with a different colour palette and see if you get the same issue
[04:59] <goliath23> re
[04:59] <goliath23> did you say something?
[08:48] <nysosym> re :)
[09:27] <newz2000> Anyone want to get a sneak peak at the new website and help me resize some images?
[09:32] <kwwii> newz2000: I'd love to help :p
[09:32] <newz2000> Cool, actually, you're an excellent candidate because the kde screenshots are quiet poor
[09:32] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:33] <kwwii> just let me know what to do
[09:33] <kwwii> although, I am running gnome now ;-)
[09:33] <newz2000> ok, well, we're asking people not to post screenshots...
[09:33] <kwwii> sure
[09:33] <kwwii> don't want to loose my job ;-)
[09:34] <newz2000> the pages in question are at Products --> What is Ubuntu?
[09:35] <kwwii> ok, I see that page
[09:45] <newz2000> I scared him away :-)
[09:45] <newz2000> oh, he's back
[09:46] <kwwii> re
[09:48] <VeganChick> what's the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-effects?
[09:49] <newz2000> this channel is way cooler
[09:49] <VeganChick> haha
[09:53] <nysosym> VeganChick: newz2000 is on the right way, this channel is much better :D
[09:55] <EmxBA> 3~3~/leave
[09:56] <VeganChick> ok, i'm trying to customize ubuntu, and i can't find any good instructions/tutorials
[09:58] <kwwii> hrm, that killed my computer
[09:58] <newz2000> editing the website?
[09:59] <kwwii> newz2000: nope, trying to start another session to make screenshots :-)
[10:00] <nysosym> kwwii: with xnest?
[10:00] <kwwii> nysosym: I have never got kde running in xnest
[10:01] <nysosym> kwwii: i will try it :D
[10:01] <newz2000> kwwii: So Christina suggested that the screenshots on products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition are too big
[10:01] <kwwii> I need someone to take a screenshot of a menu in kde from a fresh install
[10:01] <newz2000> can you log in as a new user?
[10:01] <kwwii> newz2000: that is what I was thinking too
[10:01] <nysosym> kwwii: which menu?
[10:02] <newz2000> Oh, I think I have edgy kde in vmware
[10:02] <nysosym> i have a fresh install ^^
[10:02] <kwwii> newz2000: yeah, that is what I did, but I still have the whole gnome desktop installed so all the apps show up in the menu and it gets really long
[10:02] <newz2000> nysosym: sweet, you go for it
[10:02] <newz2000> ah
[10:02] <kwwii> nysosym: make a screenshot of the kde menu, while using a white wallpaper color
[10:02] <nysosym> kwwii: ok mom
[10:02] <newz2000> nysosym: that's Mr. mom to you. :-)
[10:03] <kwwii> lol
[10:03] <kwwii> nysosym: with the top menu item selected (so that the top item in the main menu shows the submenu)
[10:05] <kwwii> nysosym: another good screenshot would be one showing the mouse-over on the kmenu
[10:06] <nysosym> kwwii: right? http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto3ik0.png
[10:07] <nysosym> kwwii: the second one
[10:07] <nysosym> http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4hf5.png
[10:07] <kwwii> nysosym: yes, the is right, but the panel should be the default size :-)
[10:07] <nysosym> kwwii: hmmm 42 right? ^^
[10:07] <nysosym> ok 48 :)
[10:07] <nysosym> i will do some new
[10:08] <nysosym> is it ok with running programs?
[10:08] <kwwii> yeah, that does not matter
[10:09] <kwwii> I am going to cut out the menu
[10:09] <nysosym> kwwii: the first one http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4hf5.png
[10:10] <nysosym> kwwii: the second http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4ya6.png
[10:11] <nysosym> dman wrong link of the first one
[10:11] <nysosym> http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto3hz7.png
[10:11] <nysosym> this is the right one :)
[10:12] <kwwii> nysosym: perfect, thanks
[10:13] <nysosym> kwwii: no problem, everytime again :)
[10:14] <nysosym> kwwii: for what do u use these?
[10:14] <kwwii> nysosym: they are for the new website
[10:15] <nysosym> for which project?
[10:15] <nysosym> os is this a secret? :D
[10:15] <newz2000> www.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <nysosym> nice :)
[10:16] <nysosym> comes with feisty?
[10:16] <newz2000> hopefully comes tomorrow
[10:17] <nysosym> amazing :)
[10:17] <newz2000> wait until you see it
[10:18] <nysosym> sure i have enough time today :)
[10:18] <nysosym> i love surprises ^^
[10:21] <kwwii> nysosym: dude, sorry, but could you make that second screenshot again, this time without any programs in the taskbar?
[10:24] <nysosym> kwwii: one moment please :)
[10:24] <nysosym> brb
[10:27] <nysosym> re
[10:27] <nysosym> kwwii: please my friend :)
[10:27] <nysosym> http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4uw6.png
[10:28] <kwwii> nysosym: perfect! now if you could also make the one with the submenu :-)
[10:29] <nysosym> hehe :D
[10:29] <nysosym> mom
[10:30] <nysosym> http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto3qa5.png
[10:31] <kwwii> nysosym: perfect, thanks again :-)
[10:31] <nysosym> kwwii: no problem :)
[10:47] <VeganChick> this is probably a really stupid question...but how do i start up beryl?
[10:48] <nysosym> VeganChick: for that please join #beryl thanks :)
[10:48] <VeganChick> oh, sorry! didn't know that existed
[10:48] <VeganChick> thanks
[11:11] <kwwii> newz2000: man, how in the world do you edit that page with the edit option?
[11:12] <kwwii> I *will* mess something up that way
[11:12] <newz2000> the kubuntu page?
[11:13] <newz2000> are you making images that you click to enlarge, or are they cropped in such a way that you don't need to enarge them?
[11:14] <newz2000> kwwii: here's what you do:
[11:14] <newz2000> click in the editor, click the third icon from the right
[11:14] <newz2000> that window that pops up may need to be wider, click the icon to the right of Image URL
[11:15] <newz2000> there you can upload images... note the checkbox to auto-resize images. May or may not be appropriate
[11:15] <newz2000> after you upload, click the image and the url to the image will be inserted into the "Image URL" field.
[11:16] <newz2000> Fill out any other fields you want then hit "Update"
[11:16] <kwwii> ok, let me fire up firefox first
[11:17] <kwwii> (no icons in konqueror)
[11:18] <kwwii> much nicer
[11:19] <newz2000> ah, without the wysiwyg it would be a pain. There are a few pages I have to edit that way (doing one now actually)
[11:23] <kwwii> newz2000: what should I put in for Title and Description?
[11:24] <newz2000> I can't remember which one is which, but the second field is the alt tag, the third one I usually leave blank.
[11:24] <newz2000> kwwii: are these going to be "click to enlarge" images?
[11:24] <kwwii> newz2000: yeah, I made the first one like that
[11:25] <kwwii> newz2000: but I do not see how to make it do that :-)
[11:25] <newz2000> After you insert the smaller image, click it then click the "link" icon. You get that same browse icon which you can use to browse through your images. YOu can upload the larger image and then click it to make the link go to it.
[11:26] <newz2000> when you do that, from the "styles" drop down, choose "lightbox image"
[11:26] <newz2000> Also, you may want to give the link a title that describes the image.
[11:26] <newz2000> Some day I may add some lightbox code to make that more elegant when you click the image
[11:27] <kwwii> ok, let me try this once
[11:32] <troy_s> greets newz2000
[11:32] <newz2000> hey troy_s
[11:32] <newz2000> long time no chat
[11:32] <troy_s> indeed.  how have things been?
[11:32] <kwwii> newz2000: ok, I think I have the first pic done, test it :-)
[11:32] <newz2000> ok
[11:32] <newz2000> troy_s: things are good here, getting ready to update the website
[11:32] <troy_s> any previs?
[11:33] <troy_s> tell me that the website is going to drop that awful stock photography
[11:33] <newz2000> kwwii: looks good
[11:33] <newz2000> troy_s: new and improved awful stock photography
[11:34] <troy_s> LOL
[11:34] <kwwii> newz2000: cool, I'll do the other pics ont he page now
[11:34] <troy_s> that's swell.
[11:34] <troy_s> at least we are being consistent across the entire presentation
[11:34] <newz2000> kwwii: do you think its safe for me to say that the new site is a dramatic improvement?
[11:34] <newz2000> (design wise)
[11:34] <kwwii> newz2000: definitely
[11:35] <newz2000> troy_s: we're hoping to go live tomorrow... just adding some final polish
[11:35] <troy_s> ah.
[11:35] <troy_s> you could probably throw up photos of a horrible car accident and improve the stock photography nightmare.
[11:36] <newz2000> yeah, we've had some photographers shooting some new images
[11:37] <newz2000> the support guy is still hanging around somewhere
[11:37] <newz2000> not on the homepage
[11:38] <troy_s> LOL
[11:38] <troy_s> he was a charmer.
[11:38] <troy_s> we need to dress him up in drag.
[12:01] <nysosym> bbrb
[12:06] <nysosym> re