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| ShakaGoldSaint | oh boy that schedule doesn't give any hope at all :( | 05:21 |
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| nalioth | ShakaGoldSaint: what did you want? | 05:23 |
| ShakaGoldSaint | nothing in particular, i really liked the only class i assisted, the one about kernel stuff | 05:24 |
| ShakaGoldSaint | i was just wondering when was going to be the next one, that's all | 05:24 |
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| genii | F00BaR: OK, what seems to be the prob then? | 12:45 |
| F00BaR | im trying to install vhcs | 12:45 |
| F00BaR | but apt-get cant find package | 12:46 |
| genii | F00BaR: Ah, that is a bad choice :( No longer supported etc | 12:46 |
| genii | There are better alternatyives | 12:47 |
| F00BaR | oh | 12:47 |
| F00BaR | like what | 12:47 |
| F00BaR | its the only free cpanel | 12:47 |
| F00BaR | webmin is no good | 12:47 |
| genii | http://www.ispconfig.org/ | 12:47 |
| F00BaR | there a demo for it? | 12:47 |
| genii | http://www.gnupanel.org/ | 12:47 |
| nalioth | gnupanel? | 12:48 |
| genii | I think ispconfig has a demo, yeah | 12:48 |
| genii | Thats another control panel for ISPs, yes | 12:48 |
| F00BaR | whats best | 12:48 |
| genii | ^^ nalioth | 12:48 |
| nalioth | interesting | 12:48 |
| genii | F00Bar I'm currently testing ispconfig, seems good. We are considering some similar solution for our machines | 12:49 |
| genii | F00BaR: Anyhow, for reference, Dapper server was setup along the lines here http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06 then a fix for ispconfig to properly install found here http://k0dy.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/ubuntu-server-606-with-ispconfig/ | 12:54 |
| F00BaR | you should intergrate a cpanel with ubuntu :) | 12:57 |
| genii | F00BaR: I don't have enough time to devot to being a package maintainer unfortunately :( | 12:58 |
| F00BaR | omfg, vhcs didnt install | 12:58 |
| genii | I do think it's a good idea tho for the LAMP install to have one as standard | 12:58 |
| F00BaR | nvm | 12:59 |
| F00BaR | ispconfig good yeah? | 12:59 |
| genii | F00BaR: The demo is here for ispconfig: http://www.ispconfig.org/demo.htm so you can see how it looks/operates | 12:59 |
| genii | F00BaR: I have not yet installed gnupanel to evaluate, but there are 3 demos here for you to look at : http://www.gnupanel.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=35 | 01:01 |
| genii | nalioth I suspect you checked out the demos... any input? | 01:03 |
| nalioth | genii: i don't run a web server for money | 01:06 |
| genii | nalioth: I work at a nonprofit ISP here in Toronto | 01:06 |
| nalioth | i don't work for an ISP at all | 01:07 |
| genii | If you had some webhosting arrangement with an isp would there be some cpanel preferences? (trying to get an idea of what interfaces ppl like/dislike) | 01:09 |
| nalioth | i have dreamhost | 01:11 |
| nalioth | there is some kind of web interface | 01:11 |
| genii | hmm | 01:12 |
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| F00BaR | hey | 01:28 |
| F00BaR | talk here | 01:28 |
| F00BaR | i did ./setup in ispconfig | 01:28 |
| F00BaR | its in another language | 01:28 |
| genii | F00Bar Yes, Go to Tools-> Change Language | 01:30 |
| genii | In the interface | 01:30 |
| F00BaR | huh? | 01:30 |
| F00BaR | my linux is in english | 01:30 |
| F00BaR | just the setup isnt | 01:30 |
| F00BaR | its asking to chose language | 01:30 |
| F00BaR | i typed en, then english | 01:30 |
| F00BaR | none worked | 01:31 |
| genii | Thats weird, I don't remember having to specify during the initial setup of it. Afterwards it was in spanish I think, logged into the interface and changed language in the interface from there. | 01:32 |
| F00BaR | want a screenshot | 01:32 |
| genii | F00BaR: The machine i have it running on right now is down for hardware maintenance | 01:34 |
| F00BaR | i mean | 01:34 |
| F00BaR | ill send you a screenshot | 01:34 |
| genii | F00BaR Yeah that may help | 01:34 |
| genii | Just post it to imageshack and give the url here | 01:35 |
| F00BaR | im trying | 01:36 |
| F00BaR | problem with insternet atm | 01:36 |
| F00BaR | sec | 01:36 |
| genii | OK | 01:36 |
| F00BaR | http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8987/untitledyp0.jpg | 01:38 |
| genii | looking | 01:38 |
| genii | F00BaR: just putting en didn't work?? | 01:39 |
| F00BaR | nope | 01:39 |
| F00BaR | nvm | 01:39 |
| genii | put 2 then | 01:39 |
| F00BaR | didnt see the number at the side | 01:39 |
| F00BaR | :) | 01:39 |
| genii | I remeber the screen now that I see it | 01:40 |
| F00BaR | lol | 01:40 |
| === F00BaR is dumb today :( | ||
| genii | Thats OK :) I'm tired too | 01:40 |
| F00BaR | error: quota not found! | 01:40 |
| F00BaR | whats that | 01:40 |
| genii | quota is a program on servers to limit/monitor ppl's hd usage and so on | 01:41 |
| F00BaR | sudo apt-get install quota? | 01:41 |
| genii | You may not have it installed | 01:41 |
| genii | I think thats the package | 01:41 |
| F00BaR | ty | 01:42 |
| F00BaR | ok i did that and it tried to setup vhcs :/ | 01:43 |
| F00BaR | nvm | 01:43 |
| F00BaR | Error: flex not found | 01:43 |
| F00BaR | whats that | 01:43 |
| genii | I Yeah that was on the fix link I gave a while back | 01:43 |
| F00BaR | sudo apt-get install flex | 01:44 |
| F00BaR | i did that | 01:44 |
| genii | two x like flexx | 01:44 |
| genii | (I think) | 01:45 |
| F00BaR | i did it with 1 x | 01:45 |
| genii | bleh, need coffee :) | 01:45 |
| F00BaR | it worked | 01:45 |
| F00BaR | anything else i should install | 01:45 |
| F00BaR | major things like mysql? | 01:45 |
| genii | Not that comes to mind offhand | 01:45 |
| F00BaR | ok | 01:46 |
| genii | You could do mysql yeah | 01:46 |
| genii | Or any other server type services you like | 01:46 |
| genii | I already had a LAMP install so all that was on al;ready | 01:46 |
| F00BaR | i got it | 01:47 |
| F00BaR | i meant anything else | 01:47 |
| genii | I set it up to use postgre otherwise nothing comes to mind. The same box I have that stuff on I also have some other testing things like phprojekt and horde so needed a lot of php pear and so on for that. | 01:48 |
| F00BaR | k | 01:50 |
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| F00BaR | how long does it usually take? | 01:50 |
| F00BaR | setup | 01:50 |
| F00BaR | ok | 01:51 |
| F00BaR | i have to go | 01:51 |
| F00BaR | thank you for the help | 01:51 |
| genii | Not hours anyhow LOL...lag...OK, have a good one | 01:51 |
| F00BaR | you too | 01:51 |
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| soundray | People who come to ubuntu from another distribution are used to do things while logged in as root, right? | 03:26 |
| soundray | slacker_nl: ^ | 03:27 |
| slacker_nl | yes, at least I'm used to su/ssu/sudo | 03:27 |
| soundray | So, if they run a command like date >example, they expect example to end up in /root/ | 03:28 |
| slacker_nl | depends | 03:28 |
| slacker_nl | su -m uses my shell and enviroment | 03:29 |
| slacker_nl | so I'm used to put things in my $HOME and/or put it in tmp | 03:29 |
| soundray | Okay, but let's think of that poor person you were talking to earlier, robe or whatever his nick was. | 03:29 |
| soundray | Comes to #ubuntu and says "Hey, how am I supposed to do things as root when the account is locked?" | 03:30 |
| slacker_nl | soundray: if he's used to su or ssu you could assume he knows a thing or two | 03:30 |
| soundray | slacker_nl: but we can't assume that, can we? | 03:30 |
| slacker_nl | you have a point - but that does not mean I cannot tell him what you can do as well to become root | 03:31 |
| soundray | You can tell him whatever you want to, but if I consider that advice to be flawed, I will continue to ask you not to suggest or recommend it. | 03:32 |
| soundray | Given that there's a safer alternative. | 03:32 |
| slacker_nl | because you think its flawed you don't recommend it, but you don't have to tell me not to give my opinion about the matter | 03:33 |
| soundray | I'm not assuming any authority over what you say or don't say. Hence I use the words 'please don't'. | 03:34 |
| soundray | I see you have a different attitude, saying "I'm not a babysitter" | 03:35 |
| soundray | I take a slightly different approach and worry about what ubuntu beginners do to their systems. | 03:35 |
| soundray | Because I know they'll be back saying things like "I've accidentally deleted my home directory as root -- how can I recover it" | 03:36 |
| soundray | ;) | 03:36 |
| slacker_nl | soundray: everyone makes a mistake (which is dumb and maybe could have been avoided) | 03:40 |
| slacker_nl | but, Ubuntu users should also read the docs and not blindly follow what others are saying | 03:40 |
| slacker_nl | and do some homework before playing with the root account | 03:41 |
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| soundray | slacker_nl: I agree with that. But if someone naive, lazy and gullible turns up and asks about such things, I don't want to be the one who's suggested a command with unpredictable side effects. | 03:42 |
| soundray | Now, I want you to feel free to think differently about that. | 03:43 |
| slacker_nl | ok, at first you gave me the impression you didn't want me to think differently | 03:43 |
| soundray | Just because I'm asking you not to do something doesn't mean I won't *allow* you to do it. | 03:44 |
| soundray | I don't assume that kind of authority. | 03:44 |
| soundray | Okay, I guess we've sorted that then ;) | 03:45 |
| slacker_nl | hehe | 03:45 |
| slacker_nl | I guess we did | 03:46 |
| slacker_nl | maybe the root/sudo story should be in red bold letters the first time you boot ubuntu | 03:47 |
| soundray | Hey, now you have babysitter aspirations ;) | 03:47 |
| slacker_nl | so ppl will read it | 03:47 |
| slacker_nl | nah, I don't | 03:48 |
| slacker_nl | with babysitting I mean - I'm not always going to tell them every side effect something has - they need to read the man pages and wiki's as well | 03:48 |
| slacker_nl | but a big warning would make ppl think twice before enabling the root account | 03:49 |
| slacker_nl | or should | 03:49 |
| slacker_nl | but I will see you later | 03:50 |
| slacker_nl | really need to get some work done | 03:50 |
| soundray | It might also *make* them do something that isn't recommended, just because "it's my system and I will bl**dy do what I want with it"... | 03:51 |
| soundray | okay | 03:51 |
| soundray | me too | 03:51 |
| soundray | tot ziens | 03:51 |
| slacker_nl | tot ziens | 03:51 |
| slacker_nl | you dutch speaking? | 03:51 |
| soundray | No, German | 03:51 |
| slacker_nl | OK, auf wiedersehen | 03:51 |
| soundray | :) | 03:52 |
| soundray | Ciao | 03:52 |
| slacker_nl | Adios :) | 03:52 |
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| f00bar | hey | 04:44 |
| genii | hi | 04:44 |
| f00bar | i get this error: | 04:44 |
| f00bar | ERROR: The PHP binary coming with ISPConfig does not work properly on your system! The installation routine stops here! | 04:44 |
| genii | Yes, I saw! This i have not seen before | 04:45 |
| f00bar | :( | 04:45 |
| genii | Let me research for a minute | 04:45 |
| f00bar | is there a command to update PHP or something? | 04:45 |
| f00bar | ok | 04:45 |
| f00bar | found anything? | 04:56 |
| genii | f00bar: Yes, it looks like it prefers php4 to php5 | 05:00 |
| f00bar | how do i downgrade | 05:01 |
| genii | f00bar: I'll give you some commands in minute :) | 05:02 |
| f00bar | hold | 05:02 |
| f00bar | i have to go | 05:02 |
| f00bar | can you email to toxic.waste@hotmail.co.uk please | 05:02 |
| genii | :( OK IO wil be here tomorrow | 05:02 |
| f00bar | thanks. Good evening | 05:02 |
| genii | nite | 05:03 |
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| nalioth | !bing | 11:55 |
| ubotu | bing: Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 92 kB | 11:55 |
| nalioth | !search bing | 11:55 |
| ubotu | Found: | 11:55 |
| nalioth | clever are you human? | 11:56 |
| clever | yes | 11:57 |
| clever | saying my name causes half the computers in my house to beep:P | 11:57 |
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| clever | nalioth: are you human?:P | 11:59 |
| nalioth | clever: you are exhibiting automated responses that are unwelcome | 12:02 |
| clever | i can disable it | 12:02 |
| clever | the !search? | 12:03 |
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