[05:21] <ShakaGoldSaint> oh boy that schedule doesn't give any hope at all :(
[05:23] <nalioth> ShakaGoldSaint: what did you want?
[05:24] <ShakaGoldSaint> nothing in particular, i really liked the only class i assisted, the one about kernel stuff
[05:24] <ShakaGoldSaint> i was just wondering when was going to be the next one, that's all
[12:45] <genii> F00BaR: OK, what seems to be the prob then?
[12:45] <F00BaR> im trying to install vhcs
[12:46] <F00BaR> but apt-get cant find package
[12:46] <genii> F00BaR: Ah, that is a bad choice :( No longer supported etc
[12:47] <genii> There are better alternatyives
[12:47] <F00BaR> oh
[12:47] <F00BaR> like what
[12:47] <F00BaR> its the only free cpanel
[12:47] <F00BaR> webmin is no good
[12:47] <genii> http://www.ispconfig.org/
[12:47] <F00BaR> there a demo for it?
[12:47] <genii> http://www.gnupanel.org/
[12:48] <nalioth> gnupanel?
[12:48] <genii> I think ispconfig has a demo, yeah
[12:48] <genii> Thats another control panel for ISPs, yes
[12:48] <F00BaR> whats best
[12:48] <genii> ^^ nalioth
[12:48] <nalioth> interesting
[12:49] <genii> F00Bar I'm currently testing ispconfig, seems good. We are considering some similar solution for our machines
[12:54] <genii> F00BaR: Anyhow, for reference, Dapper server was setup along the lines here http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06 then a fix for ispconfig to properly install found here http://k0dy.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/ubuntu-server-606-with-ispconfig/
[12:57] <F00BaR> you should intergrate a cpanel with ubuntu :)
[12:58] <genii> F00BaR: I don't have enough time to devot to being a package maintainer unfortunately :(
[12:58] <F00BaR> omfg, vhcs didnt install
[12:58] <genii> I do think it's a good idea tho for the LAMP install to have one as standard
[12:59] <F00BaR> nvm
[12:59] <F00BaR> ispconfig good yeah?
[12:59] <genii> F00BaR: The demo is here for ispconfig: http://www.ispconfig.org/demo.htm  so you can see how it looks/operates
[01:01] <genii> F00BaR: I have not yet installed gnupanel to evaluate, but there are 3 demos here for you to look at : http://www.gnupanel.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=35
[01:03] <genii> nalioth I suspect you checked out the demos... any input?
[01:06] <nalioth> genii: i don't run a web server for money
[01:06] <genii> nalioth: I work at a nonprofit ISP here in Toronto
[01:07] <nalioth> i don't work for an ISP at all
[01:09] <genii> If you had some webhosting arrangement with an isp would there be some cpanel preferences? (trying to get an idea of what interfaces ppl like/dislike)
[01:11] <nalioth> i have dreamhost
[01:11] <nalioth> there is some kind of web interface
[01:12] <genii> hmm
[01:28] <F00BaR> hey
[01:28] <F00BaR> talk here
[01:28] <F00BaR> i did ./setup in ispconfig
[01:28] <F00BaR> its in another language
[01:30] <genii> F00Bar Yes, Go to Tools-> Change Language
[01:30] <genii> In the interface
[01:30] <F00BaR> huh?
[01:30] <F00BaR> my linux is in english
[01:30] <F00BaR> just the setup isnt
[01:30] <F00BaR> its asking to chose language
[01:30] <F00BaR> i typed en, then english
[01:31] <F00BaR> none worked
[01:32] <genii> Thats weird, I don't remember having to specify during the initial setup of it. Afterwards it was in spanish I think, logged into the interface and changed language in the interface from there.
[01:32] <F00BaR> want a screenshot
[01:34] <genii> F00BaR: The machine i have it running on right now is down for hardware maintenance
[01:34] <F00BaR> i mean
[01:34] <F00BaR> ill send you a screenshot
[01:34] <genii> F00BaR Yeah that may help
[01:35] <genii> Just post it to imageshack and give the url here
[01:36] <F00BaR> im trying
[01:36] <F00BaR> problem with insternet atm
[01:36] <F00BaR> sec
[01:36] <genii> OK
[01:38] <F00BaR> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8987/untitledyp0.jpg
[01:38] <genii> looking
[01:39] <genii> F00BaR: just putting   en   didn't work??
[01:39] <F00BaR> nope
[01:39] <F00BaR> nvm
[01:39] <genii> put  2   then
[01:39] <F00BaR> didnt see the number at the side
[01:39] <F00BaR> :)
[01:40] <genii> I remeber the screen now that I see it
[01:40] <F00BaR> lol
[01:40] <genii> Thats OK :) I'm tired too
[01:40] <F00BaR> error: quota not found!
[01:40] <F00BaR> whats that
[01:41] <genii> quota is a program on servers to limit/monitor ppl's hd usage and so on
[01:41] <F00BaR> sudo apt-get install quota?
[01:41] <genii> You may not have it installed
[01:41] <genii> I think thats the package
[01:42] <F00BaR> ty
[01:43] <F00BaR> ok i did that and it tried to setup vhcs :/
[01:43] <F00BaR> nvm
[01:43] <F00BaR> Error: flex not found
[01:43] <F00BaR> whats that
[01:43] <genii> I Yeah that was on the fix link I gave a while back
[01:44] <F00BaR> sudo apt-get install flex
[01:44] <F00BaR> i did that
[01:44] <genii> two x like flexx
[01:45] <genii> (I think)
[01:45] <F00BaR> i did it with 1 x
[01:45] <genii> bleh, need coffee :)
[01:45] <F00BaR> it worked
[01:45] <F00BaR> anything else i should install
[01:45] <F00BaR> major things like mysql?
[01:45] <genii> Not that comes to mind offhand
[01:46] <F00BaR> ok
[01:46] <genii> You could do mysql yeah
[01:46] <genii> Or any other server type services you like
[01:46] <genii> I already had a LAMP install so all that was on al;ready
[01:47] <F00BaR> i got it
[01:47] <F00BaR> i meant anything else
[01:48] <genii> I set it up to use postgre otherwise nothing comes to mind. The same box I have that stuff on I also have some other testing things like phprojekt and horde so needed a lot of php pear and so on  for that.
[01:50] <F00BaR> k
[01:50] <F00BaR> how long does it usually take?
[01:50] <F00BaR> setup
[01:51] <F00BaR> ok
[01:51] <F00BaR> i have to go
[01:51] <F00BaR> thank you for the help
[01:51] <genii> Not hours anyhow LOL...lag...OK, have a good one
[01:51] <F00BaR> you too
[03:26] <soundray> People who come to ubuntu from another distribution are used to do things while logged in as root, right?
[03:27] <soundray> slacker_nl: ^
[03:27] <slacker_nl> yes, at least I'm used to su/ssu/sudo
[03:28] <soundray> So, if they run a command like date >example, they expect example to end up in /root/
[03:28] <slacker_nl> depends
[03:29] <slacker_nl> su -m uses my shell and enviroment
[03:29] <slacker_nl> so I'm used to put things in my $HOME and/or put it in tmp
[03:29] <soundray> Okay, but let's think of that poor person you were talking to earlier, robe or whatever his nick was.
[03:30] <soundray> Comes to #ubuntu and says "Hey, how am I supposed to do things as root when the account is locked?"
[03:30] <slacker_nl> soundray: if he's used to su or ssu you could assume he knows a thing or two
[03:30] <soundray> slacker_nl: but we can't assume that, can we?
[03:31] <slacker_nl> you have a point - but that does not mean I cannot tell him what you can do as well to become root
[03:32] <soundray> You can tell him whatever you want to, but if I consider that advice to be flawed, I will continue to ask you not to suggest or recommend it.
[03:32] <soundray> Given that there's a safer alternative.
[03:33] <slacker_nl> because you think its flawed you don't recommend it, but you don't have to tell me not to give my opinion about the matter
[03:34] <soundray> I'm not assuming any authority over what you say or don't say. Hence I use the words 'please don't'.
[03:35] <soundray> I see you have a different attitude, saying "I'm not a babysitter"
[03:35] <soundray> I take a slightly different approach and worry about what ubuntu beginners do to their systems.
[03:36] <soundray> Because I know they'll be back saying things like "I've accidentally deleted my home directory as root -- how can I recover it"
[03:36] <soundray> ;)
[03:40] <slacker_nl> soundray: everyone makes a mistake (which is dumb and maybe could have been avoided)
[03:40] <slacker_nl> but, Ubuntu users should also read the docs and not blindly follow what others are saying
[03:41] <slacker_nl> and do some homework before playing with the root account
[03:42] <soundray> slacker_nl: I agree with that. But if someone naive, lazy and gullible turns up and asks about such things, I don't want to be the one who's suggested a command with unpredictable side effects.
[03:43] <soundray> Now, I want you to feel free to think differently about that.
[03:43] <slacker_nl> ok, at first you gave me the impression you didn't want me to think differently
[03:44] <soundray> Just because I'm asking you not to do something doesn't mean I won't *allow* you to do it.
[03:44] <soundray> I don't assume that kind of authority.
[03:45] <soundray> Okay, I guess we've sorted that then ;)
[03:45] <slacker_nl> hehe
[03:46] <slacker_nl> I guess we did
[03:47] <slacker_nl> maybe the root/sudo story should be in red bold letters the first time you boot ubuntu
[03:47] <soundray> Hey, now you have babysitter aspirations ;)
[03:47] <slacker_nl> so ppl will read it
[03:48] <slacker_nl> nah, I don't
[03:48] <slacker_nl> with babysitting I mean - I'm not always going to tell them every side effect something has - they need to read the man pages and wiki's as well
[03:49] <slacker_nl> but a big warning would make ppl think twice before enabling the root account
[03:49] <slacker_nl> or should
[03:50] <slacker_nl> but I will see you later
[03:50] <slacker_nl> really need to get some work done
[03:51] <soundray> It might also *make* them do something that isn't recommended, just because "it's my system and I will bl**dy do what I want with it"...
[03:51] <soundray> okay
[03:51] <soundray> me too
[03:51] <soundray> tot ziens
[03:51] <slacker_nl> tot ziens
[03:51] <slacker_nl> you dutch speaking?
[03:51] <soundray> No, German
[03:51] <slacker_nl> OK, auf wiedersehen
[03:52] <soundray> :)
[03:52] <soundray> Ciao
[03:52] <slacker_nl> Adios :)
[04:44] <f00bar> hey
[04:44] <genii> hi
[04:44] <f00bar> i get this error:
[04:44] <f00bar> ERROR: The PHP binary coming with ISPConfig does not work properly on your system! The installation routine stops here!
[04:45] <genii> Yes, I saw! This i have not seen before
[04:45] <f00bar> :(
[04:45] <genii> Let me research for a minute
[04:45] <f00bar> is there a command to update PHP or something?
[04:45] <f00bar> ok
[04:56] <f00bar> found anything?
[05:00] <genii> f00bar: Yes, it looks like it prefers php4 to php5
[05:01] <f00bar> how do i downgrade
[05:02] <genii> f00bar: I'll give you some commands in  minute :)
[05:02] <f00bar> hold
[05:02] <f00bar> i have to go
[05:02] <f00bar> can you email to toxic.waste@hotmail.co.uk please
[05:02] <genii> :( OK IO wil be here tomorrow
[05:02] <f00bar> thanks. Good evening
[05:03] <genii> nite
[11:55] <nalioth> !bing
[11:55] <ubotu> bing: Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 92 kB
[11:55] <nalioth> !search bing
[11:55] <ubotu> Found:
[11:56] <nalioth> clever are you human?
[11:57] <clever> yes
[11:57] <clever> saying my name causes half the computers in my house to beep:P
[11:59] <clever> nalioth: are you human?:P
[12:02] <nalioth> clever: you are exhibiting automated responses that are unwelcome
[12:02] <clever> i can disable it
[12:03] <clever> the !search?