=== obstfliege [n=obstflie@xdsl-87-78-223-96.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === DM| [n=dm@cpe-65-31-7-98.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["bye!"] === DM|_ [n=dm@cpe-65-31-7-98.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ShakaGoldSaint [n=eleazar@190.37.13.36] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:21] oh boy that schedule doesn't give any hope at all :( [05:23] ShakaGoldSaint: what did you want? [05:24] nothing in particular, i really liked the only class i assisted, the one about kernel stuff [05:24] i was just wondering when was going to be the next one, that's all === ShakaGoldSaint [n=eleazar@190.37.13.36] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Abandonando"] === DerXero [n=patrick@dslb-082-083-146-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hedix [i=usr4845@c1.edrana.lt] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === F00BaR [n=F00BaR@host86-138-79-141.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === genii [n=chatzill@H232.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [12:45] F00BaR: OK, what seems to be the prob then? [12:45] im trying to install vhcs [12:46] but apt-get cant find package [12:46] F00BaR: Ah, that is a bad choice :( No longer supported etc [12:47] There are better alternatyives [12:47] oh [12:47] like what [12:47] its the only free cpanel [12:47] webmin is no good [12:47] http://www.ispconfig.org/ [12:47] there a demo for it? [12:47] http://www.gnupanel.org/ [12:48] gnupanel? [12:48] I think ispconfig has a demo, yeah [12:48] Thats another control panel for ISPs, yes [12:48] whats best [12:48] ^^ nalioth [12:48] interesting [12:49] F00Bar I'm currently testing ispconfig, seems good. We are considering some similar solution for our machines [12:54] F00BaR: Anyhow, for reference, Dapper server was setup along the lines here http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06 then a fix for ispconfig to properly install found here http://k0dy.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/ubuntu-server-606-with-ispconfig/ [12:57] you should intergrate a cpanel with ubuntu :) [12:58] F00BaR: I don't have enough time to devot to being a package maintainer unfortunately :( [12:58] omfg, vhcs didnt install [12:58] I do think it's a good idea tho for the LAMP install to have one as standard [12:59] nvm [12:59] ispconfig good yeah? [12:59] F00BaR: The demo is here for ispconfig: http://www.ispconfig.org/demo.htm so you can see how it looks/operates [01:01] F00BaR: I have not yet installed gnupanel to evaluate, but there are 3 demos here for you to look at : http://www.gnupanel.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=35 [01:03] nalioth I suspect you checked out the demos... any input? [01:06] genii: i don't run a web server for money [01:06] nalioth: I work at a nonprofit ISP here in Toronto [01:07] i don't work for an ISP at all [01:09] If you had some webhosting arrangement with an isp would there be some cpanel preferences? (trying to get an idea of what interfaces ppl like/dislike) [01:11] i have dreamhost [01:11] there is some kind of web interface [01:12] hmm === F00BaR [n=F00BaR@host86-138-79-141.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:28] hey [01:28] talk here [01:28] i did ./setup in ispconfig [01:28] its in another language [01:30] F00Bar Yes, Go to Tools-> Change Language [01:30] In the interface [01:30] huh? [01:30] my linux is in english [01:30] just the setup isnt [01:30] its asking to chose language [01:30] i typed en, then english [01:31] none worked [01:32] Thats weird, I don't remember having to specify during the initial setup of it. Afterwards it was in spanish I think, logged into the interface and changed language in the interface from there. [01:32] want a screenshot [01:34] F00BaR: The machine i have it running on right now is down for hardware maintenance [01:34] i mean [01:34] ill send you a screenshot [01:34] F00BaR Yeah that may help [01:35] Just post it to imageshack and give the url here [01:36] im trying [01:36] problem with insternet atm [01:36] sec [01:36] OK [01:38] http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8987/untitledyp0.jpg [01:38] looking [01:39] F00BaR: just putting en didn't work?? [01:39] nope [01:39] nvm [01:39] put 2 then [01:39] didnt see the number at the side [01:39] :) [01:40] I remeber the screen now that I see it [01:40] lol === F00BaR is dumb today :( [01:40] Thats OK :) I'm tired too [01:40] error: quota not found! [01:40] whats that [01:41] quota is a program on servers to limit/monitor ppl's hd usage and so on [01:41] sudo apt-get install quota? [01:41] You may not have it installed [01:41] I think thats the package [01:42] ty [01:43] ok i did that and it tried to setup vhcs :/ [01:43] nvm [01:43] Error: flex not found [01:43] whats that [01:43] I Yeah that was on the fix link I gave a while back [01:44] sudo apt-get install flex [01:44] i did that [01:44] two x like flexx [01:45] (I think) [01:45] i did it with 1 x [01:45] bleh, need coffee :) [01:45] it worked [01:45] anything else i should install [01:45] major things like mysql? [01:45] Not that comes to mind offhand [01:46] ok [01:46] You could do mysql yeah [01:46] Or any other server type services you like [01:46] I already had a LAMP install so all that was on al;ready [01:47] i got it [01:47] i meant anything else [01:48] I set it up to use postgre otherwise nothing comes to mind. The same box I have that stuff on I also have some other testing things like phprojekt and horde so needed a lot of php pear and so on for that. [01:50] k === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:50] how long does it usually take? [01:50] setup [01:51] ok [01:51] i have to go [01:51] thank you for the help [01:51] Not hours anyhow LOL...lag...OK, have a good one [01:51] you too === genii [n=chatzill@H232.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Turgon [n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === BuffaloSoldier [n=firdaus@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === soundray [n=rolf@dsl-217-155-44-246.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === slacker_nl [n=slakkie@slakkie.euronet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:26] People who come to ubuntu from another distribution are used to do things while logged in as root, right? [03:27] slacker_nl: ^ [03:27] yes, at least I'm used to su/ssu/sudo [03:28] So, if they run a command like date >example, they expect example to end up in /root/ [03:28] depends [03:29] su -m uses my shell and enviroment [03:29] so I'm used to put things in my $HOME and/or put it in tmp [03:29] Okay, but let's think of that poor person you were talking to earlier, robe or whatever his nick was. [03:30] Comes to #ubuntu and says "Hey, how am I supposed to do things as root when the account is locked?" [03:30] soundray: if he's used to su or ssu you could assume he knows a thing or two [03:30] slacker_nl: but we can't assume that, can we? [03:31] you have a point - but that does not mean I cannot tell him what you can do as well to become root [03:32] You can tell him whatever you want to, but if I consider that advice to be flawed, I will continue to ask you not to suggest or recommend it. [03:32] Given that there's a safer alternative. [03:33] because you think its flawed you don't recommend it, but you don't have to tell me not to give my opinion about the matter [03:34] I'm not assuming any authority over what you say or don't say. Hence I use the words 'please don't'. [03:35] I see you have a different attitude, saying "I'm not a babysitter" [03:35] I take a slightly different approach and worry about what ubuntu beginners do to their systems. [03:36] Because I know they'll be back saying things like "I've accidentally deleted my home directory as root -- how can I recover it" [03:36] ;) [03:40] soundray: everyone makes a mistake (which is dumb and maybe could have been avoided) [03:40] but, Ubuntu users should also read the docs and not blindly follow what others are saying [03:41] and do some homework before playing with the root account === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:42] slacker_nl: I agree with that. But if someone naive, lazy and gullible turns up and asks about such things, I don't want to be the one who's suggested a command with unpredictable side effects. [03:43] Now, I want you to feel free to think differently about that. [03:43] ok, at first you gave me the impression you didn't want me to think differently [03:44] Just because I'm asking you not to do something doesn't mean I won't *allow* you to do it. [03:44] I don't assume that kind of authority. [03:45] Okay, I guess we've sorted that then ;) [03:45] hehe [03:46] I guess we did [03:47] maybe the root/sudo story should be in red bold letters the first time you boot ubuntu [03:47] Hey, now you have babysitter aspirations ;) [03:47] so ppl will read it [03:48] nah, I don't [03:48] with babysitting I mean - I'm not always going to tell them every side effect something has - they need to read the man pages and wiki's as well [03:49] but a big warning would make ppl think twice before enabling the root account [03:49] or should [03:50] but I will see you later [03:50] really need to get some work done [03:51] It might also *make* them do something that isn't recommended, just because "it's my system and I will bl**dy do what I want with it"... [03:51] okay [03:51] me too [03:51] tot ziens [03:51] tot ziens [03:51] you dutch speaking? [03:51] No, German [03:51] OK, auf wiedersehen [03:52] :) [03:52] Ciao [03:52] Adios :) === slacker_nl [n=slakkie@slakkie.euronet.nl] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === Crusher [n=You@ppp33-158.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === clever [n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034210169.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === f00bar [n=f00bar@82-42-56-84.cable.ubr06.knor.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === genii [n=chatzill@H232.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:44] hey [04:44] hi [04:44] i get this error: [04:44] ERROR: The PHP binary coming with ISPConfig does not work properly on your system! The installation routine stops here! [04:45] Yes, I saw! This i have not seen before [04:45] :( [04:45] Let me research for a minute [04:45] is there a command to update PHP or something? [04:45] ok [04:56] found anything? [05:00] f00bar: Yes, it looks like it prefers php4 to php5 [05:01] how do i downgrade [05:02] f00bar: I'll give you some commands in minute :) [05:02] hold [05:02] i have to go [05:02] can you email to toxic.waste@hotmail.co.uk please [05:02] :( OK IO wil be here tomorrow [05:02] thanks. 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In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 92 kB [11:55] !search bing [11:55] Found: [11:56] clever are you human? [11:57] yes [11:57] saying my name causes half the computers in my house to beep:P === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:59] nalioth: are you human?:P [12:02] clever: you are exhibiting automated responses that are unwelcome [12:02] i can disable it [12:03] the !search?