[12:12] <sistpoty> harpreet: /me uses debsign (wrapper around gpg) for this purpose... maybe it'll make your life easier ;)
[12:12] <harpreet> Stefan: Last time you listed the right gpg parameter and the step to figure out if we had signed in the right manner. I missed out on documenting that, can you list out.
[12:12] <norsetto> g'night all
[12:13] <harpreet> Stefan: it was pretty easy last time :-), the other way I need to get our release engineer an account in Ubuntu :-) -she will not like doing that.
[12:13] <sistpoty> harpreet: debuild -S -sa -us -uc (-S -> build source package, -sa include orig.tar.gz, -us -uc do not sign anything (man dpkg-buildpackage can tell you the details))
[12:14] <sistpoty> harpreet: then you can simply run debsign -k0x8d7fca91 *changes (of course with your key, not mine ;))
[12:14] <jdong> crimsun: I appear to be mistaken, xgl does build against system mesa
[12:14] <TheMuso> Back later folks.
[12:14] <harpreet> stefan: Aha, thats what I was looking for :-)
[12:14] <harpreet> Stefan: will try it out and let you know if I run into any issues.
[12:14] <jdong> crimsun: so the bundled mesa updates in the debdiff probably aren't needed, but I'm not sure if that means we should magically drop them....
[12:14] <harpreet> stefan: thanks!
[12:14] <sistpoty> harpreet: ok, glad to help 
[12:19] <shawarma> Who are the tiber admins again? I keep forgetting
[12:20] <LaserJock> shawarma: do you need something?
[12:20] <shawarma> LaserJock: I have a toy I want to test. :-)
[12:22] <LaserJock> what kind of toy? :-)
[12:22] <shawarma> I've created a fuse filesystem that fetches ssh keys from launchpad on the fly and imbrandon doesn't seem to be around so I can get it tested on the new build servers.
[12:23] <shawarma> Oh, not everyone as access to tiber.. I keep forgetting that too. :-)
[12:24] <harpreet> stefan: that worked sweet :-). I will upload the packages - there will be 4 in all and email Daniel Holbach about it.
[12:24] <daviey> Hi, i am unable to retrieve my password for REVU.
[12:27] <sistpoty> harpreet: great :)
[12:32] <sistpoty> daviey: did you (successfully) upload a package to revu yet?
[12:32] <daviey> yes, and a diff
[12:32] <sistpoty> daviey: hm... give me a minute
[12:32] <daviey> thanks
[12:34] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: Could you ping me when you're done?
[12:36] <crimsun> jdong: I just read the xinerama comment for that bug.
[12:36] <jdong> crimsun: I'm working with the commentor right now
[12:37] <crimsun> jdong: excellent, thanks
[12:37] <jdong> crimsun: apparently some form of xinerama is in the source, and a option is in the binary, just need to figure out how it works :)
[12:37] <jdong> crimsun: but I think we're making some progress :)
[12:37] <jdong> crimsun: so as far as the xinerama stuff, our ./configure enables system mesa, so the built in stuff isn't even used....
[12:37] <jdong> (I'm shocked that's working at all :D)
[12:38] <crimsun> :)
[12:38] <crimsun> back in 42 mins, watching BSG cap
[12:38] <jdong> so I guess a good chunk of the debdiff is unimportant then :)
[12:38] <shawarma> crimsun: bsg?
[12:38] <crimsun> shawarma: http://epguides.com/BattlestarGalactica/
[12:38] <shawarma> crimsun: oh
[12:39] <jdong> shawarma: you have gone down a nerd-IQ notch in my books ;-)
[12:39] <RAOF> Woah, not knowing BSG?  Heresy!
[12:39] <jdong> crimsun: ha, xinerama works. needs +xinerama line on command line!
[12:39] <shawarma> jdong: So I'm down to what? eleventy billion-1?
[12:40] <harpreet> stefan: Thanks again for your help I have uploaded the files and have sent a message to Daniel
[12:40] <crimsun> jdong: excellent.
[12:40] <jdong> shawarma: use of eleventy has also brought you down. Everyone knows it switches into karma points after eleventy million.
[12:43] <shawarma> jdong: "eleventy" gives negative points? Your rules!
[12:43] <shawarma> jdong: Eleventy is the coolest number ever.
[12:44] <shawarma> jdong: Nobody know quite how large it is; only that it's *really* large.
[12:44] <sistpoty> daviey: no idea right now why recovering your pw doesn't work... I'll send you an encrypted mail with the pw.
[12:44] <jdong> shawarma: watch out with immature innuendos around me.
[12:44] <jdong> shawarma: I am a sucker for them.
[12:45] <daviey> sistpoty, thanks
[12:46] <shawarma> jdong: Oh, don't speak to me about homework. I have a killer exam on Thursday and I've hardly opened a book yet. 
[12:46] <sistpoty> daviey: ah, now I know why it won't work: your ELG-E key (used for encryption) has expired
[12:46] <jdong> shawarma: sounds like me :)
[12:46] <shawarma> jdong: You study cs?
[12:46] <daviey> sistpoty, still?  I fixed that and published it
[12:47] <fatman2>  hello i am fatman and i weigh 400 pounds.  you can see videos of my supreme fatness at www.fatman.tk
[12:47] <shawarma> cool
[12:47] <sistpoty> daviey: hm... just imported your key locally from keyserver.ubuntu.com, no luck so far
[12:47] <jdong> shawarma: yeah, I do :)
[12:47] <daviey> hmm
[12:47] <jdong> shawarma: and it's called course 6.
[12:47] <jdong> hehe
[12:48] <shawarma> jdong: course 6 means nothing to me. Should it?
[12:48] <sistpoty> daviey: I'll just send the pw to you as a plain email (won't give you much rights besides posting comments to your uploads), but I guess you should fix that key issue sometime
[12:49] <jdong> shawarma: it's not called CS, it's called Course 6. always :)
[12:49] <daviey> sistpoty, thanks
[12:49] <shawarma> jdong: I see. And I suppose there's a totally rational explanation to that.
[12:49] <jdong> shawarma: at least that's what Professor Abelson said on first day....
[12:49] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[12:49] <jdong> shawarma: when Hal Abelson says something, you submit.
[12:50] <geser> wow, over 150 bugs for ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[12:50] <shawarma> jdong: Of course.
[12:51] <jdong> shawarma: he's already found enjoyment picking on my social ineptitude :)
[12:51] <crimsun> jdong: 87687 +1'd
[12:51] <jdong> crimsun: yay *hug*
[12:51] <jdong> crimsun: one more technical question.....
[12:51] <jdong> never mind
[12:51] <jdong> actually, answered myself :)
[12:52] <jdong> shawarma: today he convinced me that he was deeply offended if people move the chairs in his lecture room
[12:52] <shawarma> jdong: Of course. They were put there for a reason.
[12:53] <jdong> shawarma: lol, I seriously believed him and started apologizing profusely :D
[01:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:27] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:27] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[01:28] <RAOF> Hey bddebian.
[01:29] <bddebian> Hello RAOF
[01:32] <chx> Hi. davfs2 for edgy is quite old :( is there a (simple) way to get something more recent?
[01:33] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[01:33] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[01:33] <Toadstool> hey sistpoty 
[01:34] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[01:34] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[01:34] <chx> The answer is: download the static binary. Thanks. Bye.
[01:35] <Toadstool> uh?
[01:35] <bddebian> :-)
[01:35] <RAOF> He comes, he goes :)
[01:36] <sistpoty> hm... he still needs to learn the rules for the channel. it's not "Thanks. Bye." but "kthxbye" ;)
[01:37] <Toadstool> heh
[01:37] <ajmitch> kthxbai gimme pony
[01:37] <Lathiat> heh
[01:37] <sistpoty> lol
[01:37] <Toadstool> OMG!!1 pony!
[01:38] <Lathiat> http://litterbox.zawodny.com/i/pony.jpg
[01:40] <crimsun> I'd like a pony.
[01:40] <bddebian> I'd like a brain
[01:40] <RAOF> I don't have anywhere to keep a pony.  Do you have a collapsible version?
[01:43] <crimsun> you'll have to settle for http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/i-want-a-pony.jpg
[01:44] <RAOF> Hm.  Do ponies store well in the fridge? :)
[01:44] <crimsun> no, but PBRs do
[01:44] <crimsun> and they're only $1 here!
[01:45] <bddebian> They aren't worth $1
[01:45] <crimsun> although yeah, they taste like $0.01
[01:45] <LaserJock> well, a pony may fit in a fridge, but it requires a bit of "processing"
[01:45] <crimsun> http://www.pabstblueribbon.com
[01:45] <bddebian> I hate to tell you all but that isn't a pony
[01:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: don't burst any bubbles ;-)
[01:46] <bddebian> It looks like a Miniature horse to me, not a pony
[01:48] <ajmitch> someone has to spoil the party, don't they?
[01:48] <bddebian> :-)
[01:48] <crimsun> :'(
[01:48] <RAOF> Man, I so want to write a gmail-like GTK markup widget.
[01:49] <jdong> you mean Adobe Acrobat Reader -like markup widget.
[01:50] <RAOF> Do I?  I don't use Acrobat.
[01:50] <RAOF> I mean where the smilies get up and dance, where \m/>.<\m/ looks cool, and where *bolds* stuff.
[01:53] <ajmitch> sounds perfectly useless :)
[01:54] <jdong> ajmitch: I bet you scoff at beryl and compiz too
[01:54] <jdong> oh wait.
[01:55] <jdong> I wish Firefox had a Perl console widget.
[01:55] <crimsun> I wish the kernel had an emacs event handler
[01:55] <RAOF> Oh, totally useless.
[01:56] <RAOF> Well, maybe not totally.  Having bold, italic and underline inline markup in IRC could be useful.
[01:56] <RAOF> Except no one else could see it :)
[01:57] <ajmitch> some clients already do it
[01:57] <esaym> where is that ubuntu how to for making packages? I lost my link :(
[01:57] <ajmitch> like irssi does *bold* & _underline_
[01:57] <bddebian> Modulo in C is % ?
[01:57] <jdong> RAOF: get a dry erase marker and a bottle of windex
[01:57] <Toadstool> yep
[01:57] <ajmitch> !packagingguide
[01:57] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[01:58] <ajmitch> esaym: ^
[01:58] <RAOF> I just want my xchat-gnome to do it too :)
[01:58] <esaym> ajmitch: hey thanks.  ALso anyone know the perl dev module name in the repos?
[01:58] <Toadstool> what do you guys think about bug 84868? dunno if what I'm doing is the right thing (tm) :)
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84868 in nozomi "cannot compile module" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84868
[01:59] <RAOF> bddebian: Sometimes modulo in C is & 1, because speedfreaks don't trust gcc to optimise :)
[02:03] <sistpoty> bah... speed freaks
[02:05] <RAOF> That threw me in the compiz code, actually.
[02:05] <RAOF> It's not immediately obvious that "if(bar & 1)" means "if bar is odd" :)
[02:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:16] <ajmitch> ugh, too many uvf requests that I haven't checked for a couple of days
[02:18] <ajmitch> jdong: now you need to get someone to upload xserver-xgl 
[02:18] <jdong> ajmitch: ok, shall I streamline 0ubuntu1 and 0ubuntu2 together, then subscribe uvf-sponsors?
[02:19] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:19] <jdong> ok, thanks :)
[02:19] <jdong> what a painful language
[02:19] <jdong> )))
[02:41] <jetsaredi1> shawarma: ping
[02:41] <jetsaredi1> I was done a while ago, but was putting the kids to bed
[02:42] <jetsaredi1> turns out not to be of so much use as its too big for the blank cds I have
[02:43] <TLE> jetsaredi1: I think he went to bed
[02:44] <jetsaredi1> ah
[02:44] <jetsaredi1> he was mirroring  the feisty daily
[02:44] <jetsaredi1> for me, but like I said the iso is too big for the media I have
[02:45] <jetsaredi1> by about 2M
[02:45] <jetsaredi1> not even
[03:05] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[03:07] <LaserJock> jetsaredi1: dailies can often be that way, once you have one usually rsyncing to one that's the right size is fast
[03:07] <jetsaredi1> I don't actually want to install it tho
[03:08] <LaserJock> what do you want to do?
[03:08] <jetsaredi1> just trying to help the mythtv people get some dmesg information
[03:09] <jetsaredi1> ah well
[03:09] <LaserJock> why do you need a daily?
[03:09] <jetsaredi1> that's what they ask for
[03:10] <LaserJock> Herd 5 should be fine then I'd think
[03:10] <jetsaredi1> mm
[03:11] <LaserJock> Herd 5 was released on the 2nd
[03:11] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think *that* much had changed
[03:11] <jetsaredi1> nod
[03:17] <jetsaredi1> actually
[03:18] <jetsaredi1> I wonder if all of the drivers are pre-loaded on the normal non-daily livecd
[03:18] <LaserJock> hmm?
[03:18] <jetsaredi1> the specific task I was looking to do was to get the dmesg output from an ivtv wintv card
[03:19] <LaserJock> ok
[03:19] <jetsaredi1> I wonder if that's the difference
[03:19] <jetsaredi1> (~30M size diff)
[03:19] <TheMuso> I don't think the kernel has changed since herd 5.
[03:20] <LaserJock> jetsaredi1: nah, it's just changes in seeding etc.
[03:20] <jetsaredi1> mm - so it prolly shouldn't matter
[03:21] <jetsaredi1> just maybe the kernel version
[03:22] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[03:23] <TheMuso> The last kernel was released on 12 February.
[03:23] <TheMuso> Or thats the most recent changelog entry date anyway.
[03:24] <imbrandon> re
[03:28] <jdong> *bah* cdr this you sloth.....
[03:43] <LaserJock> man, somebody needs to write a GUI config panel for mutt
[03:43] <LaserJock> I love CLI tools, I just don't like setting them up
[03:45] <TheMuso> There is a website that can generate mutt configs.
[03:45] <TheMuso> Mutt configs can be very modular which is really nice.
[03:45] <TheMuso> Mine is very much so, allowing me to add email accounts/mailboxes in a pinch.
[03:46] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Would a sample config file with comments be of any help?
[03:47] <LaserJock> I've got one
[03:47] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:47] <LaserJock> I spent the time to set mutt up once
[03:48] <LaserJock> my config file is rather large
[03:48] <LaserJock> but now I want to change my setup and I don't look forward to setting it up
[03:48] <imbrandon> fskin ppc buildd just went to sleep
[03:48] <imbrandon> grrr
[03:49] <imbrandon> guess it will be offline untill i goto work tomarrow, i'm not going in tonight
[03:49] <LaserJock> doh
[03:50] <imbrandon> hrm wait there is someon on duty lemme call them
[03:50] <imbrandon> i can have them bounce it
[03:51] <crimsun> imbrandon: query regarding federation from 13 hrs ago
[03:51] <LaserJock> TheMuso: do you have any clue where that website is?
[03:51] <imbrandon> crimsun, doh, dident see it, give me 5 minutes to do that
[03:52] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Sorry no, I just remember seeing it when I was getting my head around mutt configs.
[03:52] <TheMuso> Which was three years ago now./
[03:55] <imbrandon> woot, had the staff on duty bounce the box for me and now its working
[03:55] <imbrandon> i love a 24 hour noc
[03:55] <imbrandon> crimsun, see query please
[03:57] <imbrandon> StevenK, ping
[03:59] <LaserJock> TheMuso: do you have an imap setup?
[04:00] <TheMuso> LaserJock: No, I use pop3.
[04:01] <chillywilly> hey, where is the live cd download for edgy, I cannot find it
[04:01] <chillywilly> :(
[04:02] <LaserJock> should be with all the others
[04:03] <chillywilly> I see desktop, server, and alternate
[04:03] <ajmitch> desktop = live
[04:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you don't mind if I play around & try & setup wanna-build/buildd/sbuild, do you?
[04:04] <ajmitch> might stick it with mini-dinstall
[04:04] <chillywilly> thanks
[04:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nope i dont mind at all, i'm gonna be working on the mirror
[04:04] <imbrandon> just fyi incase apt-get is locked
[04:04] <imbrandon> just give it a sec
[04:04] <ajmitch> right
[04:04] <ajmitch> or I might use anon ftp & a 5-minute cron job to stick things in the build queue
[04:05] <imbrandon> can we have it check sigs too to make sure only 
[04:05] <ajmitch> sure
[04:05] <imbrandon> users
[04:05] <imbrandon> are allowed to build
[04:05] <ajmitch> I'll just borrow the code from revu
[04:05] <imbrandon> rockin
[04:05] <ajmitch> syncing the keyring should be easy enough
[04:06] <imbrandon> then maybe we can stick the results in ~/results for that user and i can sett apache up to expose those to the web
[04:06] <imbrandon> possibly
[04:06] <ajmitch> since it's not often that someone gets added to ubuntu-dev
[04:06] <imbrandon> right
[04:06] <ajmitch> keyring syncs can stay in cron
[04:06] <imbrandon> yea
[04:06] <imbrandon> like once a day or seomthing should be fine
[04:06] <ajmitch> same as on tiber
[04:07] <imbrandon> yea
[04:07] <imbrandon> i'm working on getting a kerbos server setup and unified /home
[04:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: what are the specs on the i386 machine?
[04:11] <imbrandon> LaserJock, p4 2ghz 768mb ram 160gb / and 250bg /mirror
[04:11] <imbrandon> iirc
[04:11] <imbrandon> thats from memory
[04:11] <imbrandon> i could have to look to make sure
[04:12] <imbrandon> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
[04:13] <ajmitch> a shame I can't use my amd64 in the build network :)
[04:13] <LaserJock> hmm, 2.6 is still faster than my AMD 1800+
[04:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i'm gonna make the kerberos server seperate nad JUST do kerberos and /mirror
[04:13] <LaserJock> darn it, why does gnome-panel keep dying?!? :(
[04:13] <imbrandon> so we can manage the /home and perms and such 
[04:13] <imbrandon> from one boxen
[04:14] <imbrandon> instaead of 3 or 5
[04:14] <imbrandon> but its up and working now, that was the main goal, then upgrade / tweak it from there
[04:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:14] <ajmitch> a pity you don't have a sparc in the local rack
[04:15] <imbrandon> yea that would kick ass
[04:15] <ajmitch> since sharing /home to .de will be a pain
[04:15] <imbrandon> eventualy i will
[04:15] <imbrandon> i will try to eventualy get all arches local
[04:15] <imbrandon> just need some $$ for ebay to pickup a sparc
[04:15] <imbrandon> etc
[04:15] <ajmitch> solicit donations
[04:15] <imbrandon> i might , i had thought about it
[04:15] <LaserJock> blog it baby!
[04:16] <imbrandon> i really need to put gigbit nics in them all to and put them on a 1000 switch alone
[04:16] <imbrandon> right now they are all connected to diffrent ports on the work cisco 100mb switch
[04:17] <imbrandon> gig between themselfs and then 100mb outbound 
[04:17] <imbrandon> is what i wish
[04:17] <imbrandon> brb dew run
[04:17] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:18] <LaserJock> all that networking goodness made him thirsty
[04:19] <imbrandon> re
[04:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:19] <ajmitch> that was quick
[04:19] <imbrandon> fridge is closer now
[04:19] <ajmitch> :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> so how are you going to do kerberos?
[04:19] <LaserJock> bah, some days running Feisty on my "production" machine is just a pain
[04:19] <ajmitch> since you're doing it all with only ssh keys
[04:19] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:20] <imbrandon> true , honestly i hadent thought toooooo much about it, i just wanteto get a central server auth
[04:20] <imbrandon> might not be fesable
[04:21] <imbrandon> i borrowed 20gb from the work SAN tonight too
[04:21] <imbrandon> just to try to put /home on it but i dont think thats gonan be good
[04:22] <imbrandon> permissions dont work right on it
[04:25] <imbrandon> man my camera needs to take better pics
[04:25] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/gsi/imbrandon-rack.jpg
[04:25] <imbrandon> thats the rack
[04:26] <imbrandon> tis full but the one next to it is still empty hehe
[04:27] <imbrandon> the laptop below the switch ( about the middle ) is intrepid , the one below that ( 1u ) is my webserver voyager , and the 2u below that is aurora
[04:27] <imbrandon> the x86
[04:27] <ajmitch> nice
[04:27] <ajmitch> tiny photo
[04:27] <imbrandon> above the switch is the SAN ;)
[04:28] <imbrandon> yea, stupid camera phone
[04:28] <ajmitch> we need to put a few funds together for a decent dual-core amd64
[04:29] <imbrandon> yea i think right now the buildd network needs: more ram for the x86 , a amd64 , and a sparc localy , past tyhat we are set
[04:29] <imbrandon> i can pony up for a /home ( possibly auth too ) server
[04:30] <ajmitch> how much diskspace do you have for building?
[04:30] <imbrandon> where? on aurora about 130gb
[04:30] <ajmitch> if we're getting packages uploaded, or some way to request builds, you could go through a lot of space
[04:30] <imbrandon> true
[04:31] <imbrandon> hum
[04:31] <imbrandon> i could leave the mirror where it is and user /dev/sdb1 ( currently /mirror ) just for build uploads
[04:31] <ajmitch> eg a script to request a build (send gpg-signed mail to build@ubuntuwire.com, asking for package foo to be built for feisty)
[04:32] <imbrandon> its a 250gb drive , i dont really have to move the mirror onto aurora
[04:32] <imbrandon> its still on the same lan
[04:32] <ajmitch> disks are cheap to add
[04:32] <ajmitch> how many can you fit in aurora & the ppc?
[04:32] <imbrandon> cheap if there is room ;)
[04:32] <ajmitch> that's why I'm asking :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> seems that 320GB is about the best price/GB for now
[04:33] <imbrandon> ppc -0- its a laptop, aurora is a 2u so i could probably add 4 more disks but the controler thats in it atm dosent have any more sata space
[04:33] <ajmitch> ok
[04:33] <imbrandon> i have a shitload of disks and a few more pci controler
[04:33] <imbrandon> s
[04:33] <ajmitch> you'd want to do the building on a large, fast area
[04:33] <ajmitch> eg LVM on RAID
[04:33] <ajmitch> like I do at home
[04:33] <imbrandon> yea
[04:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: 400s are almost on par with 320s now
[04:34] <imbrandon> hrm *thinks*
[04:34] <ajmitch> where /usr/local is mostly dedicated to ubuntu & debian work
[04:34] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:34] <ajmitch> Lathiat: cool, I'd extend my RAID array if I could find a decent 4-port SATA controller :)
[04:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you want to cripple me, don't you?
[04:34] <Lathiat> i think im going to buy 8x400G drives
[04:34] <imbrandon> i ahve a 12 port sata controler here but i dunno if it would fit in the 2u box ;)
[04:35] <LaserJock> it's not like you do anything anyway ;p
[04:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: true
[04:35] <imbrandon> nooo
[04:35] <LaserJock> I just upgraded to a 160GB ATA drive \o/
[04:35] <imbrandon> heh i have 4x 160gb in my desktop now
[04:36] <imbrandon> sata
[04:36] <imbrandon> a few months ago i had 1 to 0 in it ( it died and i was strapped )
[04:36] <LaserJock> I've never seen a sata drive or a RAID setup
[04:36] <LaserJock> silly chemists
[04:36] <ajmitch> I suppose I could make do with just my laptop
[04:36] <LaserJock> we'd rather have lasers than cool computers
[04:36] <ajmitch> if I cleaned up the drive a bit
[04:37] <LaserJock> no way
[04:37] <ajmitch> hm?
[04:37] <imbrandon> hrm if i reconfigured auroa i could add 6 drives total , and i have another 2 port card here that will work
[04:37] <imbrandon> and a 12 that /might/ fit
[04:37] <ajmitch> a 12?
[04:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you need you're cool desktop machine
[04:37] <imbrandon> and a few 160GB 
[04:37] <imbrandon> drives
[04:37] <imbrandon> and 2 250's
[04:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, and it would cost more than the machine is worth to send it anywhere :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i have one 12 port sata controler
[04:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: send it my way
[04:38] <imbrandon> dunno if it will fit in the 2u though
[04:38] <ajmitch> PCI?
[04:38] <imbrandon> yea
[04:38] <ajmitch> you'd think it'd easily saturate the PCI buss
[04:38] <nixternal> imbrandon: all of my patches for KTorrent have already been accepted and uploaded, so here is you poke for backporting :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> nixternal, uploaded to the archive or -proposed?
[04:39] <nixternal> archive
[04:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea
[04:39] <ajmitch> I could understand having a 12-port PCIe controller
[04:39] <imbrandon> possibly
[04:39] <ajmitch> standard PCI does up to 133MB/s, iirc
[04:39] <imbrandon> it might be a pci-e i could ahve to look honestly, but i have a pci-e slot in the 2u
[04:39] <imbrandon> so either way it would work
[04:40] <imbrandon> the big thing is getting power and space
[04:40] <imbrandon> dunno how many drive the powersuppy will take up
[04:40] <imbrandon> surely it would do 6 though
[04:40] <nixternal> imbrandon: what size psu?
[04:40] <imbrandon> man , i'm half tempted to drive to ATC and do this tonight
[04:40] <trycyt> For developing Debian packages, is it better to have 'install' or 'cp' lines in the Makefile?
[04:40] <nixternal> 450+ will do 12 drives
[04:40] <jdong> nixternal: ping
[04:41] <nixternal> jdong: pong
[04:41] <jdong> nixternal: regarding KTorrent 2.1.x do you think we should pursue those changes in Feisty?
[04:41] <nixternal> jdong: dunno, we can try though
[04:41] <jdong> nixternal: they do seem to improve heavy-traffic performance significantly
[04:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I've run 5 drives in my box & seen it peak at 180W only when booting up
[04:41] <nixternal> seeing as Feisty has been patched
[04:41] <jdong> i.e. LAN or high speed net transfers....
[04:41] <nixternal> jdong: so I have noticed
[04:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nice
[04:41] <nixternal> I heard the saturation isn't as bad anymore
[04:42] <jdong> nixternal: I think we should go for a UVFe :)
[04:42] <nixternal> I have been testing 2.1.2 here tonight and I can't reproduce any of the bugs on LP, or even get it to crash
[04:42] <imbrandon> ajmitch, well if i did it this second , i would have a 250GB and 3 160GB drives to put in it 
[04:42] <crimsun> yeah, jdong must be using ktorrent with those uncompressed xserver-xgl diffs...
[04:42] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you fix kubuntu-docs?
[04:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's cool
[04:42] <nixternal> LaserJock: what was wrong with them?
[04:42] <jdong> nixternal: 2.0.3 has some real infamous crashers and data corruption bugs too
[04:42] <LaserJock> nixternal: the conflict with ubuntu-docs
[04:42] <jdong> nixternal: i.e. the partial torrent import logic loves to trash files :)
[04:43] <nixternal> LaserJock: when was it conflicting?
[04:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch, but it would require a reformat etc etc etc
[04:43] <nixternal> nobody told me anything about that
[04:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: LVM
[04:43] <imbrandon> yea
[04:43] <jdong> nixternal: I don't think we'll be able to reproduce any of the open bugs on 2.1.2
[04:43] <imbrandon> i would do it "right" this time
[04:43] <ajmitch> why reformat?
[04:43] <LaserJock> nixternal: didn't you see the bug report?
[04:43] <nixternal> LaserJock: no I didn't
[04:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch, and then we could make the x86 the storage and "main" buldd
[04:43] <ajmitch> well you would create the partitions & all, but just copy all the files on
[04:43] <imbrandon> its not LVM currently
[04:44] <nixternal> LaserJock: looking at it now
[04:44] <ajmitch> nothing requiring any reinstall
[04:44] <LaserJock> nixternal: kubuntu-docs is fighting with ubuntu-docs over a firefox page, makes it not upgrade
[04:44] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:44] <LaserJock> nixternal: I thought I talked to you about it like this morning or something
[04:44] <LaserJock> nixternal: maybe it was jjesse
[04:44] <nixternal> LaserJock: that is going to be a pain to fix
[04:44] <imbrandon> ajmitch, well its currently setup with / on a single 160gb drive non lvm and a /dev/sdb1 250gb single drive
[04:45] <nixternal> he has ubuntu-docs package installed and then kubuntu-docs, both using the firefox homepage deal
[04:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no worries, let's do a remote conversion :)
[04:45] <imbrandon> would be alot of shuffleing
[04:45] <nixternal> hrmm, I could always just rename the firefox page
[04:45] <ajmitch> not too much
[04:45] <nixternal> this sucks
[04:45] <LaserJock> nixternal: it used to work though
[04:45] <LaserJock> nixternal: I've always had both
[04:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ok lemme clear /mirror and unmount it and change the mount name , the we can try a remote conversion, if it fails i can dive there and fix it
[04:46] <LaserJock> nixternal: it's supposed to be an /etc/alternatives thing, did that go away?
[04:46] <nixternal> LaserJock: yes, but with old docs it was just index.html so it never got in the way
[04:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i might dive there tonight anyhow to add the 2 other 160gb drives
[04:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you want to do it right now?
[04:46] <ajmitch> I'd want to do a bit more planning
[04:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:46] <ajmitch> like whether to put the drives in a RAID array or not
[04:46] <LaserJock> planning is for sissies
[04:46] <nixternal> haha
[04:46] <LaserJock> real men just ripe drives and regret it
[04:47] <imbrandon> definately, hum actualy so we dont polute in here anyone interested in the planning of the buildd network join #ubuntuwire
[04:47] <nixternal> ripe um huh
[04:47] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:47] <nixternal> LaserJock: this is upsetting now
[04:49] <LaserJock> spelling is not my strong point
[04:50] <LaserJock> kept me out of all the "gifted" classes when I was in school
[04:50] <nixternal> haha
[04:50] <nixternal> I was in the gifted...OK, I am not going there
[04:51] <LaserJock> then in 5th grade they finally let me in
[04:51] <LaserJock> legos and computer games
[04:51] <LaserJock> sweet
[04:53] <LaserJock> but my spelling has never been great
[04:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:54] <joejaxx> how is everyone?
[05:54] <TheMuso> Hey joejaxx.
[05:54] <TheMuso> Very well thanks.
[05:55] <joejaxx> that is good to hear
[05:55] <TheMuso> joejaxx: And yourself?
[05:55] <joejaxx> you are most welcome
[05:55] <joejaxx> i am well at the current moment
[06:12] <asl> hey there!  I'm new, and I have a package I'd like to introduce to the ubuntu universe
[06:13] <asl> I think the package is in good shape, I'm just not sure how to get it reviewed
[06:14] <RAOF> asl: Well, you'd want to upload it to REVU.
[06:14] <TheMuso> !revu
[06:14] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:15] <RAOF> And you'd also want to know that it's very unlikely to get into Feisty, since Universe feature freeze was some time ago.
[06:15] <asl> ah, okay
[06:15] <asl> are there other options aside from universe, then, for making available in a structured way?
[06:15] <asl> .. for making it available ...
[06:18] <asl> well, it's submitted, then.  I'll try to keep it in good shape for 7.10
[06:18] <asl> thanks for the help
[06:18] <RAOF> Well, you can put it up on REVU, get it reviewed etc, and submit a Debian Intent To Package
[06:18] <RAOF> If you can get it into Debian you get it into Universe for free :)
[06:19] <asl> well, I figured I could do the testing easier for Ubuntu, seeing as that's what I run
[06:20] <RAOF> Indeed.
[06:20] <RAOF> But even if you get it into Feisty+1's Universe, we'd still like you to submit it to Debian :)
[06:21] <RAOF> And if you get it into Debian it goes a *lot* further than just Ubuntu.
[06:36] <asl> this may not be the place to ask ... but is there an easy way to set up a chroot for Debian sid?  debootstrap has a script for sid, but it seems to be broken.
[06:38] <RAOF> You should be able to use pbuilder to set up a sid chroot easily enough.  Let's see what ubotu has to say...
[06:38] <RAOF> !pbuilder
[06:38] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[06:39] <TheMuso> There is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[06:39] <StevenK> pbuilder calls debootstrap anyway
[06:39] <StevenK> If debootstrap doesn't work, it's likely that pbuilder won't.
[06:39] <asl> Steven: I guess I was trying the right thing then
[06:40] <StevenK> Sid is not guaranteed to be bootstrap-able.
[06:40] <StevenK> asl: Are you able to put the error on a pastebin?
[06:41] <asl> steven: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10141/
[06:41] <jkakar> Hello.  I'm trying to package a Python application and running into problems using dh_python on dapper and feisty (edgy seems to be happy enough, though complains of deprecation).
[06:42] <jkakar> I'm trying to understand if there's a "trick" I can use that will make this package work on dapper/edgy/feisty... dh_pymagic... :)
[06:42] <jkakar> If there is no way, do I fork this package and maintain different versions for different distribution releases?  What's the standard way of dealing with this kind of situation?
[06:42] <StevenK> asl: Sid is not an Ubuntu distribution.
[06:42] <StevenK> asl: debootstrap has an option for a mirror, set it to ftp.debian.org or so.
[06:43] <asl> steven: thanks.I guess it's not as simple as letting the included scipts do their thing
[06:44] <TheMuso> jkakar: dh_python is depricated.
[06:44] <TheMuso> jkakar: Have you read the Debian python policy?
[06:44] <StevenK> asl: It is for Ubuntu distributions, since they are on archive.u.c
[06:45] <jkakar> TheMuso: In bits, yes.  I don't generally know enough about packaging to understand a whole lot of it.  I should probably re-read it and understand it more thoroughly.
[06:45] <asl> steven: your solution works.  thanks for the help
[06:45] <TheMuso> jkakar: Do you know of the packaging guide?
[06:45] <jkakar> TheMuso: Yup.
[06:45] <StevenK> asl: No problem.
[06:46] <TheMuso> jkakar: Do you want a link to a summary page about the policy?
[06:46] <TheMuso> s/do you want/would you like/
[06:46] <jkakar> TheMuso: Yes please, that might help.
[06:47] <TheMuso> ok just a sec.
[06:47] <jkakar> TheMuso: Thanks!
[06:47] <TheMuso> jkakar: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[06:47] <jkakar> TheMuso: Thanks, much appreciated.
[06:48] <TheMuso> jkakar: You're welcome.
[06:52] <jkakar> TheMuso: This is helping, thanks.
[07:02] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[07:02] <StevenK> imbrandon: Pong
[07:02] <imbrandon> xauth is installed silly
[07:02] <imbrandon> and was
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[07:02] <StevenK> imbrandon: Even on intrepid?
[07:03] <imbrandon> ohh intrepid i dident check
[07:03] <imbrandon> heh
[07:03] <imbrandon> one sec
[07:03] <StevenK> I did say *.ubuntuwire.com, silly. :-P
[07:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:04] <imbrandon> i checked aurora
[07:04] <imbrandon> me and ajmitch are upgrading aurora tonight, some raid 0 goodness with lvm and sbuild goodness mixed in
[07:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:04] <imbrandon> ok StevenK xauth installing anything else you need ?
[07:05] <StevenK> imbrandon: Root privs. :-P
[07:05] <imbrandon> lol
[07:05] <Hobbsee> 950 is a heck of a lot of page views...over 2 days...
[07:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i get about 2.5k from planet ;)
[07:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:06] <imbrandon> you will get lots more soon
[07:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[07:09] <crimsun> sure am glad you blog deities are picking up the slack
[07:09] <StevenK> Yeah, means unimportant people like me don't have to blog.
[07:10] <StevenK> Oh sorry, s/\(unimportant\)/really really \1/
[07:10] <crimsun> I'm with that
[07:11] <crimsun> I'm probably spamming the -bugs mailing list
[07:11] <crimsun> (sorry)
[07:11] <imbrandon> hehe -bugs is crimsun's blog
[07:12] <StevenK> Most bloggers aren't that technical.
[07:12] <StevenK> Let's syndicate -bugs to Planet under crimsun's name.
[07:12] <crimsun> hey now, I don't take credit for beryl*
[07:13] <StevenK> I don't think any of us want to.
[07:15] <imbrandon> lol
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:15] <Hobbsee> StevenK's volunteering
[07:15] <StevenK> I'm so not.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> you so are
[07:24] <LaserJock> oh can I maintain beryl*? can I? can I?
[07:24] <ajmitch> sure
[07:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes.  can i quote you?
[07:25] <ajmitch> branded for life!
[07:25] <LaserJock> I think I could whip a nice package with a preinst script with dpkg -r beryl* ;-)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:25] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: better to remove all of xorg in the process :)
[07:25] <crimsun> you probably mean rm -rf, since calling dpkg in the maintainer script would be a ... bad idea
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:25] <LaserJock> or a metapackage with conflicts on beryl* compiz*
[07:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, I thought it was a sufficently bad idea that that minor detail wouldn't be an issue
[07:26] <LaserJock> you got my point
[07:26] <LaserJock> but yeah, I'd go with a lot of rm -rf in reality
[07:26] <crimsun> oh, right. Forgot that you had created it using checkinstall.
[07:26] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:27] <LaserJock> I wonder if I could implement wobbly windows in ncurses? 
[07:27] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[07:34] <StevenK> LaserJock: Sure, look at "bb"
[07:34] <StevenK> LaserJock: Although it uses libaa
[07:35] <Flannel> libcaca will get you color.
[07:35] <StevenK> libaa has shades!
[07:35] <Flannel> shades?
[07:36] <StevenK> Like shades of grey
[07:36] <Flannel> grey is a color, you know.
[07:37] <Flannel> elkbuntu: For the purpose of this discussion, it's a color.
[07:37] <StevenK> I hadn't heard of libcaca, though
[07:38] <Flannel> it's fun.  caca-utils has a picture viewer, and a few demos (I use the flame one as a screensaver), and of course, the library, that you can use to watch color videos
[07:38] <StevenK> I saw it has a gstreamer linkage.
[07:54] <crimsun> hum, wasn't imbrandon inquiring about 3gp stuff recently?
[07:55] <crimsun> ah, I see my mail queue is slower than Luke
[07:55] <crimsun> =)
[07:56] <TheMuso> crimsun: I can't seem to find a license.
[07:57] <TheMuso> Which explains why the code isn't in ffmpeg in the first place really.
[07:57] <TheMuso> Or they haven't bothered to rewrite it.
[07:57] <TheMuso> I know such support would be useful. Heck I remember having to rebuild ffmpeg once with that code, so I could convert some amr files from my phone.
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <TheMuso> Heya dholbach.
[08:17] <dholbach> hey TheMuso
[08:18] <joejaxx> :)
[08:18] <ajmitch> hey dholbach!
[08:18] <dholbach> hey ajmitch, hey joejaxx
[08:18] <joejaxx> it is 3am here
[08:18] <joejaxx> hello dholbach 
[08:29] <jaalto> Can I check somewhere if the upload to REVU has succeeded?
[08:30] <TheMuso> jaalto: You should see the name of the package on the revu page.
[08:33] <jaalto> Is this correct page: http://revu.tauware.de/
[08:36] <jaalto> TheMuso, For some reason the dput upload succeeds ok, but the package doe snot get mentioned in that page. Could someone check what the dput logs say in the server - if it got rejected?
[08:37] <ajmitch> jaalto: binary upload?
[08:38] <jaalto> It's truecrypt-installer_20070313-1.dsc (full source upload)
[08:40] <ajmitch> you did dput revu truecrypt-installer_20070313-1_source.changes ?
[08:41] <ajmitch> make sure it went to revu, since I don't see it in the logs
[08:41] <ajmitch> ah no, I see lots of it now in /home/ftp/incoming
[08:41] <ajmitch> lots of binary uploads
[08:42] <ajmitch> please do source-only uploads :)
[08:42] <jaalto> Hm. I see. I supposed the binary upload (which included source) was ok. Will change to pure source upload
[08:44] <ajmitch> dput claiming it was ok, and it being acceptable are two different things
[08:47] <jaalto> ajmitch, Sure - but I couln't guess the reason form here :-)
[08:48] <jaalto> ajmitch, I've now uploaded pure source
[09:56] <jaalto> I'd need some help wth launchpad: How to activate Malone and rosetta for the project?
[09:58] <jaalto> Never mind, the bot-so-obvious "Define launchpad usage" link was it
[11:41] <TheMuso> How busy is the launchpad users mailing list?
[11:41] <imbrandon> about 20 message a week
[11:41] <imbrandon> or so
[11:42] <TheMuso> Good.
[11:42] <imbrandon> TheMuso, we finaly got it working 
[11:42] <imbrandon> it == aurora
[11:42] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I saw that.
[11:43] <TheMuso> You forget that I am in there.
[11:43] <TheMuso> :p
[11:43] <imbrandon> and i just upgraded it to feisty, and change the pbuilder script to the faster one
[11:43] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[11:43] <TheMuso> Cool.
[11:43] <imbrandon> i tried it out, it is much faster
[11:43] <TheMuso> Cool.
[11:46] <TheMuso> imbrandon: So how does one start using the beta interface? I guess its just at beta.launchpad.net?
[11:46] <imbrandon> i guess so
[11:47] <imbrandon> i dont use it
[11:47] <imbrandon> heh
[11:47] <TheMuso> ah ok
[11:47] <TheMuso> Well how do you know how much traffic lp-users gets?
[11:48] <imbrandon> i've been on lp-users for a few months
[11:48] <imbrandon> not just beta testers use it ;)
[11:48] <TheMuso> right
[11:48] <geser> TheMuso: you get automagically redirected when you joined the lp-beta-testers
[11:48] <TheMuso> geser: Thanks. What if one has to use the original one in case of breakage?
[11:49] <TheMuso> How do we do that?
[11:49] <geser> launchpad.net has a button to disable the redirection for 2 h
[11:49] <TheMuso> oh ok
[11:50] <imbrandon> whats the beta team url?
[11:51] <geser> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[11:52] <TheMuso> gotat love that. I've forgotten my p/w.
[11:52] <TheMuso> :)
[11:52] <TheMuso> I have been using cookies all this time.
[11:54] <zakame> testing, gotta love it :D
[11:55] <geser> TheMuso: you have to type in your password only once, you can forget it again afterwards :)
[11:55] <TheMuso> geser: Well I have to reset it. :)
[11:57] <geser> dholbach: re bug #85120: which version was approved? 1.5.0-1 or 1.5.1-1?
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85120 in kscope "please sync kscope [universe]  from Debian unstable [main] " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85120
[12:00] <dholbach> ajmitch, slomo_, crimsun, siretart: can one of you look at the bug that geser pointed to? I'm happy with the newer update
[12:01] <imbrandon> moins dholbach 
[12:01] <dholbach> hi imbrandon
[01:34] <siretart> dholbach: done
[01:47] <imbrandon> moins siretart 
[01:57] <esaym> hmm anyone know of a good pbuilder how to?
[01:58] <esaym> And would pbuilder be the best way to make a deb file for upgrading to the latest libgpod on dapper?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder | esaym 
[02:03] <ubotu> esaym: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:03] <Hobbsee> esaym: also man pbuilder, and related bits are quite good
[02:03] <daviey> 'easily' :)
[02:05] <esaym> ah looks good
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[02:05] <esaym> thank you
[02:05] <Hobbsee> well, it is easy when you know what you're doing with it :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> no problems
[02:10] <dholbach> siretart: gracias
[02:21] <esaym> hmm, I am guessing that to build a deb with pbuilder I have to have the source in dsc format?  How do I get the dsc format?
[02:24] <siretart> huhu imbrandon 
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:43] <geser> Hi bddebian
[02:43] <bddebian> Heya geser
[02:52] <jdong> ajmitch: ping, is it OK with you if the xserver-xgl package is kept at 0ubuntu2 revision, since I've already handed out testing packages with that version?
[03:12] <crimsun> jdong: consider using ~prop1 (proposed versioning, like what we use for release-proposed)
[03:14] <bddebian> Gah, you people have no sense of humor this release :-)
[03:14] <crimsun> eh?
[03:14] <crimsun> I even put a blurb in the latest alsa-lib upload for earlier this morning
[03:14] <bddebian> I was mainly talking about -devel :-)
[03:15] <bddebian> But I didn't want to get jumped on saying it in there ;-P
[03:15] <crimsun> I nearly put Melissa's retort, but it would have lacked context (not that the current one doesn't)
[03:18] <crimsun> alsa-lib (1.0.13-1ubuntu4) feisty; urgency=low  ->  The "grey is a color" release.
[03:18] <bddebian> heh
[03:18] <elkbuntu> heh
[03:21] <esaym> ok how do I satisfy this in pbuilder: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10189/
[03:22] <bddebian> Is it a Feisty pbuilder?
[03:23] <esaym> a feisty package that I am backporting
[03:23] <esaym> libgpod
[03:23] <crimsun> python-all-dev was promoted to main as of edgy
[03:23] <bddebian> Right
[03:23] <esaym> I am building it for dapper
[03:23] <crimsun> so if you don't see it in a standard pbuilder config, either you're using dapper
[03:23] <crimsun> ...
[03:23] <crimsun> right, so you need universe
[03:23] <bddebian> Gah, I can't keep up with crimsun :)
[03:24] <esaym> yea thats where I get lost, one sec
[03:25] <esaym> I have this in pbuildrrc: OTHERMIRROR="deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[03:25] <esaym> Is thata right?
[03:25] <jdong> crimsun: yeah, I'll do that in the future, but for this time...?
[03:26] <crimsun> jdong: doesn't ultimately matter for this time
[03:26] <crimsun> (I haven't checked the bug recently; did it receive a 2nd ACK?)
[03:26] <jdong> crimsun: yeah, I got an ack before
[03:27] <crimsun> ok, so the current source package can be tossed at upload.uc
[03:27] <jdong> yeah
[03:27] <crimsun> got url handy?
[03:28] <jdong> crimsun: http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/xserver-xgl_7.2.0.git.20070224-0ubuntu2.dsc
[03:28] <crimsun> esaym: you'd need to update using --override-config
[03:28] <jdong> crimsun: I owe you a legal nonalcoholic beverage :)
[03:28] <jdong> or two... or 5
[03:29] <crimsun> jdong: I'll settle for a just a respite from the onslaught of alsa bugs
[03:29] <crimsun> (hah, "just")
[03:29] <jdong> crimsun: lol, but I can't do that :D
[03:29] <bddebian> :-)
[03:29] <esaym> err, I forgot.  I never updated after I added that repo.  hmm
[03:30] <esaym> You know the update command off hand?
[03:30] <esaym> just pbuilder update?
[03:30] <crimsun> pbuilder update --override-config
[03:31] <esaym> ok I will play with this.  Thank you
[03:38] <crimsun> dholbach: / siretart: / slomo_: / ajmitch: rereading bug 87687, there doesn't seem to be strong assent from anyone other than myself that the UVFe is a go. Any opinions?
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[03:39] <esaym> Ok, know it wants python-central which is not in dapper.  Any ideas? Hate to ask...
[03:39] <esaym> now*
[03:39] <crimsun> you're going to love backporting the python stack...
[03:40] <bddebian> hah
[03:40] <esaym> I guess I have to?
[03:43] <esaym> I might just trying making a deb from source instead of messing with pbuilder and backporting
[03:43] <esaym> libgpod is a simple program.  It doesn't need all that crap I don't think
[03:46] <crimsun> the python-* {B-,}Ds are there for easier maintenance; I wouldn't remove them willy-nilly, but you certainly could (although it's not recommended to) use the old policy
[03:47] <esaym> Yea I was thinking about removing it
[03:48] <esaym> the thing I don't get is, well so I need python central, so I backport that.  Then how do I install that backported package into the pbuilder environment?
[03:48] <crimsun> save-after-login
[03:49] <esaym> "save-after-login"?
[03:49] <bddebian> Gah, wrong channel:
[03:49] <bddebian> Can someone explain to me where the hell tutos2 came from?
[03:49] <esaym> so "sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login"
[03:49] <esaym> hm
[03:57] <tepsipakki> anyone objects to adding "add-shell zsh" to zsh-beta postinst (bug #67900)
[03:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67900 in zsh-beta "add-shell zsh" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67900
[03:57] <tepsipakki> ?
[03:58] <tepsipakki> I can upload it
[03:59] <philhug> hey guys. I'd like to help out reviewing packages on REVU. I'm a DD already. Is there a shortcut or do I have to a send mail to motu-council?
[04:05] <tepsipakki> philhug: I guess you need to be a ubuntu-dev to be able to do that..
[04:13] <geser> that's the easiest way but you could try to talk to the revu admins about it
[04:33] <jdong>      - Remove the cairo stroking performance workaround
[04:33] <jdong> *snicker*
[04:43] <bddebian> philhug: You can review and make comments afaik, you just won't be able to Advocate
[04:48] <esaym> so what is the best way to "feed" my pbuilder environment? I don't quite follow everything here: http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/pbuilderbuild.html#pbuilderhook
[05:43] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:43] <LaserJock> hi
[05:43] <bddebian> Hmm, phpmymoney hasn't seen an upstream update for several years :-(
[05:44] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[05:45] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:45] <Toadstool> hi bddebian!
[05:48] <tuxmaniac> Anybody here know about ubuntu live conf?
[05:50] <LaserJock> does anybody find pitti's practice of retitling bugs "Fixed" annoying?
[05:51] <slomo_> crimsun: imho we should get it (xgl)
[05:54] <bddebian> LaserJock: Finally getting through those MOTUScience bugs? :-)
[05:54] <LaserJock> u-u-s actually
[06:00] <crimsun> slomo_: ok, should I interpret that as a +1?
[06:01] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ahh :)
[06:04] <bddebian> Hmm, I see mydms is up to date as well..
[06:18] <bmm_> Ive got a packaging question: I've got one original source which creates allot of different packages (the core and addons), copyrights are going all over the place.
[06:18] <bmm_> I can create multiple packages from the single source, and that works great. However, I can't create multiple/different copyright files for the parts currently
[06:19] <bmm_> How should this be handled?
[06:19] <crimsun> err, what?
[06:19] <Lutin> you should keep a single copyright for the whole package imo
[06:19] <crimsun> debian/copyright should reference all the copyrights with specific references to files as per necessary
[06:19] <Lutin> s/the whle/all the packages
[06:19] <bmm> Lutin: ok, so then I have a very large copyright holders list
[06:20] <crimsun> that's correct, it potentially can be quite large
[06:20] <Lutin> indeed
[06:20] <crimsun> if that's what it takes, however, that's what it takes.
[06:21] <bmm> crimsun: thanks. I'll add references to the pecific parts then, because some copyrights don't apply to sub-parts of the packages. So I
[06:21] <bmm> 'll just add them all to the copyright and reference the different packages.
[06:21] <bmm> Thanks!
[06:21] <crimsun> make sure that the corresponding copyright files are in place as per necessary, too
[06:22] <bmm> crimsun: what? (I'm still a newby at this)
[06:23] <crimsun> bmm: e.g., if it needs to ship a copy of $license, make sure it does so
[06:24] <bmm_> crimsun: ah, yes, will do. Only have GPL and BSD at the moment, so that should be ok.
[06:24] <bmm_> (I reference to the common files)
[06:30] <slomo_> crimsun: yes
[06:31] <crimsun> slomo_: ok, thanks
[06:32] <cypherbios> 0.1~RC-0ubuntu1 is an good version name for an release candidate package?
[06:33] <cypherbios> *version number
[06:33] <crimsun> cypherbios: sure, if it's specifically "RC"
[06:34] <cypherbios> crimsun: yes, from upstream it is a release candidate
[06:34] <cypherbios> and 0.1~RC is less than 0.1
[06:35] <cypherbios> if dpkg --compare-versions 0.1 ge 0.1~RC; then echo yes; else echo no; fi
[06:58] <trycyt> Is there an easy way of figuring out what goes in Build-Depends-Indep versus what goes in Build-Depends?
[07:04] <geser> trycyt: everything you only need for the binary-indep target can go to B-D-Indep everything else into B-D
[07:06] <trycyt> geser: Can I just stick everything into Build-Depends? or is that bad practice?
[07:08] <geser> trycyt: do you build an arch all package?
[07:09] <bddebian> Oh geser == Michael Biena!
[07:09] <geser> bddebian: yes
[07:09] <bddebian> Stealing my thunder again eh? ;-P
[07:15] <bddebian> Jesus, all these PHP packages seem to be outdated :-(
[07:15] <bddebian> i.e. have newer upstream versions
[07:16] <geser> file UVF exceptions :)
[07:16] <bddebian> I will after you package the new upstream ;-P
[07:16] <geser> this will also push up your karma
[07:17] <bddebian> geser: I mean upstream, upstream, not Debian :-)
[07:18] <geser> hopefully etch will be released soon
[07:19] <geser> so that this new upstream upstream version get into Debian
[07:19] <bddebian> suuure
[07:19] <bddebian> MyDMS 1.4.4 upstream is 1.5.1
[07:19] <geser> I don't want to update all those packages by hand for feisty+1
[07:19] <bddebian> bbclone 0.4.6 upstream 0.4.9a
[07:19] <geser> drupal :)
[07:52] <bddebian> Ah flatnuke has newer upstream too
[07:57] <geser> bddebian: wouldn't it be easier to name only those who are up-to-date ;P
[07:57] <bddebian> Probably
[07:58] <trycyt> I asked this question yseterday, but I need to verify that what I'm doing is correct. Should AUTHORS, INSTALL, and NEWS go in debian/docs ?
[07:59] <trycyt> If the upstream package provides it, should the Debian package provide it as well?
[08:00] <bddebian> Hmm, actually it looks like flatnuke was removed from Debian
[08:00] <geser> trycyt: if INSTALL only contains info how to install the software, you shouldn't install it as the user has already installed the software when he can read it
[08:00] <esaym> is there a backport irc channel?
[08:01] <_MMA_> Hey guys. How do I find out if something in Main will get updated? Mainly (hehe) wacom-tools and xserver-xorg-input-wacom.
[08:01] <trycyt> geser: Here's the thing, the INSTALL file also includes information on what to symlink. I'm handling that through update-alternatives though there are a few other things that the author specifies, but good point about not needing the INSTALL file since the user has already installed the package.
[08:03] <trycyt> geser: Also, I've made an init script for the package already, what do I label it as? There's a sample init.d.ex file, I'm assuming I delete that?
[08:03] <trycyt> The init script's name is not the same as the package name.
[08:04] <bddebian> How do I find out when/why a package was removed from Debian when it doesn't show up on p.qa.d.o?
[08:04] <geser> bddebian: was the package officially in Debian?
[08:04] <bddebian> geser: It sure looks like it from the changelog
[08:05] <geser> trycyt: usually the init script is named after the software
[08:06] <trycyt> geser: So is dpkg smart enough to figure out that it is an init script even if the name of the init script isn't the same as the package name?
[08:06] <trycyt> geser: Because the software package is actually composed of a PAM module and a daemon for which I wrote an init script.
[08:06] <trycyt> geser: The PAM module's name is not the same as the daemon's name.
[08:08] <geser> bddebian: ask dholbach where he got it from
[08:09] <geser> trycyt: when you use debhelper, see dh_installinit to ease the installation of the init script
[08:11] <trycyt> geser: Okay, would this be taken care of in a postinst script then?
[08:12] <geser> dh_installinit copies the file script to the right location and inserts the needed commands into postinst/prerm to register/unregister the init scruot
[08:13] <trycyt> Very cool.
[08:13] <trycyt> What would be the best way to ask (at install-time) for the user to pick which files to make symlinks to?
[08:14] <trycyt> The package needs symlinks to be made to certain programs, but depending on the user's preference, it could totally alter the behavior of the program.
[08:15] <trycyt> Come to think of it, there are two totally different reasons for the package and there are dependencies for each that are not needed for the other.
[08:15] <geser> the only way to ask questions at install time is debconf
[08:16] <trycyt> It's the equivalent of startkde or gnome-session being in .xinitrc. Depending on whichever is placed in the file, either GNOME and KDE need to be installed.
[08:16] <trycyt> That's basically what I'm going to have to do.
[08:18] <geser> if you need to change user files, then it's a no-go
[08:23] <stgraber> shawarma: do you have a ubuntu-desktop-i386 Herd5 on your server ? I'm downloading at only 40Kb/s on cdimage.u.c ...
[08:24] <trycyt> geser: No, maybe an example would make this clearer. User types apt-get install mypackage. Ideally, something pops up asking, "Would you like to use method 1 or method 2?" If the user picks method 1, mypackage installs dependency package 1, and if the user picks method 2, mypackage installs dependency package 2.
[08:24] <Adri2000> bddebian: http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt
[08:24] <trycyt> How would I achieve that?
[08:24] <bddebian> Adri2000: Thx
[08:25] <trycyt> geser: Then, additionally, update-alternatives is used to create a symlink (which is what the INSTALL file from the upstream author demands).
[08:25] <shawarma> stgraber: I don't have the herd-images. I can fetch it for you though.
[08:25] <trycyt> geser: The symlink serves to alert the target program what backend to use.
[08:25] <trycyt> geser: It's kind of a complicated goal, but I'm hoping it's doable.
[08:26] <bddebian> Where the hell did that package come from
[08:26] <trycyt> bddebian: Are you referring to me?
[08:26] <bddebian> No, sorry, flatnuke
[08:26] <geser> trycyt: afaik you can't install additional software during installation as apt-get/dpkg is running and holding a lock
[08:26] <shawarma> stgraber: It'll be done in 4 minutes. I'll give you the url then.
[08:27] <geser> bddebian: perhaps debian mentors
[08:28] <stgraber> shawarma: this cdimage.u.c is really slow and it's not better from my dedicated server :) (so no problem with my own connection)
[08:28] <trycyt> geser: So, how would you approach this then? Build two separate packages?
[08:28] <trycyt> geser: So there will be something like mypackage-method-1 and mypackage-method-2 ?
[08:29] <geser> trycyt: would something like Depends: package_1 | package_2 be sufficient?
[08:30] <stgraber> pochu: Hi, you pinged me this morning (a bit early for me :)), was it for something else than the mail you sent me ?
[08:30] <trycyt> geser: I didn't know you could do such a thing, that would be sufficient.
[08:30] <shawarma> stgraber: try http://linux2go.dk/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[08:30] <pochu> stgraber: for that was ;)
[08:31] <trycyt> geser: Hehe, I always think of the most complicated solutions.
[08:31] <pochu> stgraber: thanks for the answer :)
[08:31] <stgraber> np
[08:31] <stgraber> shawarma: thank you, 600kB/s is really way better :)
[08:32] <shawarma> stgraber: How much bw do you have?
[08:33] <stgraber> My home bandwidth should have been raised to 800kB/s but it wasn't so I still have 650kb/s maximum
[08:33] <shawarma> stgraber: Ok, then 600kB/s sounds very fair. :-)
[08:33] <stgraber> yes :)
[08:34] <KenSentMe> I run this command to create a package: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot . But i get this error on Dapper: found eof where expected more change data or trailer at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 136, <STDIN> line 21. dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is.  What could be the problem?
[08:35] <stgraber> shawarma: and I can download at around 4.5Mb/s from your server to mine
[08:35] <geser> KenSentMe: could you put your changelog into a paste-bin?
[08:35] <bddebian> KenSentMe: You are either missing the tarball or your packagename/version is incorrect
[08:36] <KenSentMe> geser, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10225/
[08:38] <crimsun> stgraber: issues should be fixed with next kernel upload (hopefully tonight)
[08:38] <shawarma> stgraber: Where's your server?
[08:39] <stgraber> crimsun: yep, I've seen the git changelog, thank you (and that's an amazing bugfix list :))
[08:39] <shawarma> KenSentMe: heh. I like your nick.
[08:39] <stgraber> shawarma: klein-edv, germany
[08:39] <KenSentMe> bddebian, where can there be an incorrect packagename/version? control, foldername, changelog?
[08:39] <crimsun> stgraber: the actual number of bugs is nearly twice that
[08:39] <KenSentMe> shawarma, me too :D
[08:39] <shawarma> stgraber: Ok. Mine's in Germany, too..
[08:40] <geser> KenSentMe: check the whitespace at the beginning of line 20, it should be only one space before the --
[08:40] <KenSentMe> shawarma, i first had leisuresuitlarry, but with the new version of the game i had to think of a new one for the real larry lovers
[08:41] <KenSentMe> geser, fixed that, but same error
[08:45] <trycyt> Is there any way to store the result of what apt matches from Depends: option1 | option2 ?
[08:46] <trycyt> Like if option1 exists, I want to perform a symlink to /path/to/option1/executable, or if option2 exists, I want to perform a symlink to /path/to/option1/executable
[08:46] <bddebian> KenSentMe: What directory are your running dpkg-buildpackage from?
[08:46] <KenSentMe> bddebian, ~/packages/campsite/campsite-2.6.7
[08:47] <geser> bddebian: flatnuke in Ubuntu can be affected by CVE-2005-2813, CVE-2005-2814 and CVE-2005-2816
[08:48] <bddebian> geser: WTF are those?
[08:48] <geser> the last should be CVE-2005-2815
[08:48] <bddebian> KenSentMe: And you have campsite_2.6.7.orig.tar.gz in ~/packages/campsite ?
[08:49] <geser> bddebian: CVE = Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures
[08:49] <bddebian> Where are those?
[08:49] <KenSentMe> bddebian, yes, it's there
[08:49] <geser> bddebian: http://cve.mitre.org/
[08:49] <trycyt> geser: Would you happen to know if that's possible?
[08:50] <trycyt> geser: If it's sort of like an sh syntax where I could store the boolean somewhere, that would be ideal.
[08:50] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:50] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[08:50] <trycyt> geser: Then, in the postinst, I could just update-alternatives to the appropriate binary.
[08:50] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty 
[08:50] <sistpoty> hi bddebian and ajmitch
[08:52] <bddebian> KenSentMe: can you pastebin the exact command and error?
[08:53] <KenSentMe> bddebian, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10232/
[08:56] <bddebian> KenSentMe: Something is still wrong with line 20.  Did you use dch -i to insert the new changelog entry?
[08:57] <KenSentMe> bddebian, no, i used nano and edited the lines myself. I followed this guide: http://code.campware.org/projects/campsite/wiki/HowToBuildDebPackage
[08:59] <geser> trycyt: as you know where the binaries are located, couldn't you simply test which is there?
[08:59] <KenSentMe> bddebian, yep found it. There was still a space too much
[09:01] <bddebian> KenSentMe: Great
[09:02] <KenSentMe> bddebian, now fix some other errors :)
[09:09] <crimsun> just get me an X60 so I can fix sabdfl's sound once and for all
[09:10] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:10] <bddebian> w00t crimsun
[09:11] <stgraber> crimsun: Your house would be full of hardware if every time something doesn't work you receive the hardware to get it working :)
[09:11] <crimsun> my house is apparently already full of bug reports
[09:11] <bddebian> wife keeps bitching about electricity bill
[09:13] <Adri2000> jdong: do you have any idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/6335769/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.avidemux_1%3A2.3.0-0.0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[09:13] <jdong> Adri2000: it's been boggling my mind
[09:13] <jdong> Adri2000: I cannot explain why it builds on 2 other arches just fine, in arch-independent prep stage
[09:14] <jdong> Adri2000: FWIW it builds perfectly in my pbuilders
[09:14] <crimsun> mv: cannot stat `t-fr.gmo': No such file or directory
[09:14] <crimsun> make[4] : *** [fr.gmo]  Error 1
[09:14] <crimsun>  ^^
[09:14] <Adri2000> but why it doesn't fail on other arches...
[09:15] <Adri2000> jdong: did you ask tfheen?
[09:15] <crimsun> I'm suspicious of `t-fr.gmo'
[09:15] <crimsun> translated?
[09:15] <jdong> Adri2000: a long time ago I did poke and e-mail infinity but never got a response
[09:15] <jdong> (this was like 1wk after that upload)
[09:17] <Adri2000> I don't know what's the "t-" before "fr"
[09:18] <Adri2000> jdong: just tried to build it in my pbuilder, it fails too
[09:18] <Adri2000> same error
[09:18] <jdong> Adri2000: bleh :-/
[09:21] <Toadstool> damn french, always involved in dodgy stuff :)
[09:21] <Adri2000> :P
[09:23] <Ash-Fox> I truely wonder why the Kubuntu team set OOo as a default package http://sphinx.quickfox.org/~ash-fox/temp/OOo1.png x.x
[09:23] <shawarma> Ash-Fox: Argh! 
[09:23] <sistpoty> StevenK: it's interrupted, since sabdfl is not around 
[09:24] <StevenK> Ah, right. Is it likely to re-start?
[09:25] <sistpoty> StevenK: no idea really...
 I'll be around for a while if he turns up, but will be on the phone
[09:25] <sistpoty> ^^ last words in the channel ;)
[09:26] <StevenK> Heh, right
[09:28] <shawarma> Adri2000: It doesn't happen here..
[09:28] <Adri2000> shawarma: building in pbuilder?
[09:28] <shawarma> Adri2000: But I know where "t-" comes from.
[09:29] <shawarma> Adri2000: Yes.
[09:29] <Adri2000> :|
[09:29] <shawarma> Adri2000: Ah... I think I know what the trouble is.
[09:29] <shawarma> Adri2000: Gimme a sec.
[09:30] <sistpoty> crimsun, ajmitch, gpocentek: just trying to write an introductory mail about Lure to ubuntu-devel, but as always it's (too) short: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10237/
[09:30] <sistpoty> or Lure: maybe you'd like to introduce yourself on the ubuntu-devel list?
[09:32] <Toadstool> an introductory mail for new devs? it's actually a really good idea! :)
[09:33] <sistpoty> Toadstool: it's mdz's idea, t.b.h ;)
[09:34] <Toadstool> heh, ok
[09:34] <sistpoty> <- doesn't have good ideas *g*
[09:38] <bddebian> Yeah, but he needs to include their nicks :-)
[09:46] <Lure> sistpoty: your text is OK with me
[09:46] <Lure> sistpoty: and I think it is better if MC does announcement
[09:46] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[09:46] <sistpoty> Lure: ok, anything I should add to it?
[09:46] <sistpoty> Hi TheMuso
[09:47] <shawarma> Adri2000: Ha! This time it failed.
[09:47] <shawarma> Adri2000: Which almost proves my theory.
[09:47] <shawarma> Adri2000: hang on.
[09:48] <Lure> sistpoty: only "most probably" sounds strange to me, the rest is OK (more info is anyway on wiki)
[09:48] <sistpoty> Lure: ok, and good idea about the wiki :)
[09:48] <shawarma> Adri2000: Patience.. :-)
[09:51] <sistpoty> Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10243/ better?
[09:53] <jdong> shawarma: does it randomly fail?
[09:53] <jdong> well that would be like the French
[09:53] <Lure> sistpoty: you can add also #ubuntu-motu (but this is anyway expected), otherwise it is fine
[09:54] <sistpoty> Lure: ok, will do... thanks for proofreading
[09:55] <sistpoty> mail sent :)
[09:55] <shawarma> jdong: Well.. Yes, I suppose it does.
[09:56] <jdong> shawarma: so we just give-back it 25 times and it'll eventually produce a binary for every arch
[09:58] <shawarma> Adri2000: Well, I have a fix. I'd just like to know where the bug actually is. :-)
[09:58] <shawarma> Adri2000: Because if it really is where I think it is, I don't understand why this is the only package that fails.
[09:59] <Adri2000> shawarma: explain what would be the fix :)
[10:01] <shawarma> Adri2000: 2 sec, I'll create a debdiff.
[10:01] <Adri2000> ok
[10:03] <shawarma> A hint: It might as well have happened on any or all of the other archs.
[10:04] <Toadstool> shawarma: Adri2000 needs a pony^Wfix!!1 :)
[10:04] <shawarma> Heh..
[10:05] <shawarma> http://linux2go.dk/avidemux.diff
[10:05] <shawarma> Simple as that.
[10:05] <shawarma> Should I upload it?
[10:05] <Adri2000> hmm, if it works, sure :p
[10:05] <shawarma> coolio.
[10:05] <shawarma> I'll just test it one more time.
[10:06] <shawarma> does it make sense or should I explain?
[10:07] <danohuiginn> hi all. I'm adding a .desktop file to a package
[10:07] <danohuiginn>  How do I make sure it gets removed from the gnome/kde menus properly when the package is uninstalled?
[10:07] <Adri2000> shawarma: I need some explanations yes :)
[10:08] <Adri2000> danohuiginn: you don't, dpkg removes the .desktop file when removing the package and that's all
[10:09] <danohuiginn> Adri2000: but it doesn't actually get removed from the menus (in kde at least)
[10:09] <shawarma> another hint: "make -j 2"
[10:09] <danohuiginn> until you call update-desktop-database
[10:09] <danohuiginn> (or restart or something, presumably)
[10:11] <ivoks> Lure: hi :)
[10:11] <Adri2000> danohuiginn: with gnome if I move a .desktop file outside /usr/share/applications/, it immediately disappears from the gnome menu
[10:11] <Lamego> hello, what distro name do we need to specify on the changelog to be able to upload to REVU ?
[10:13] <geser> Lamego: there is no requirement but you should insert the name of the current development version (now: feisty)
[10:13] <Lamego> well, I am getting "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."
[10:13] <danohuiginn> Adri2000: if I do that in KDE, the menu item is still there. if I click on it, I crash Kicker
[10:13] <bddebian> Later gang
[10:13] <Adri2000> shawarma: it runs 2 jobs simultaneously? fr and es on the buildd
[10:13] <geser> Lamego: than you uploaded to Ubuntu and not revu
[10:14] <Adri2000> later bddebian
[10:14] <Lamego> ops, dput was supposed to be pointing to revu :P
[10:14] <Adri2000> danohuiginn: ah, I don't know anything about kde
[10:15] <danohuiginn> ok, Adri2000. Thanks anyway
[10:16] <danohuiginn> I'll ask over in #kubuntu-devel
[10:17] <Lamego> geser, you were correct
[10:19] <geser> danohuiginn: man dh_desktop if you use debhelper
[10:19] <psusi> anyone know who the heck decides the mime type for troff is application/x-troff instead of text/?  and what teeth I have to pull to change it?
[10:22] <danohuiginn> thanks, geser. The man page is pretty uninformative; I'll have a look for dh_desktop docs elsewhere though
[10:39] <esaym> how would I remove dependency requirements for a package that I am going to backport? 
[10:41] <esaym> I can't just edit the dsc file.  Something in the source tar still has the dependencies in it
[10:42] <Adri2000> esaym: the (build-)dependencies are specified in debian/control
[10:44] <esaym> Adri2000: Is this "debian/control" inside the source somewhere?
[10:45] <TheMuso> esaym: Yes
[10:45] <Adri2000> esaym: yes, you downloaded the source package with apt-get source?
[10:46] <esaym> not apt-get source but manually through packages.ubuntu.com/ 
[10:46] <esaym> so there should be a file called "debian/control" in the root source directory?
[10:47] <Adri2000> that's fine too if you downloaded orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and .dsc
[10:47] <esaym> yea
[10:47] <Adri2000> dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[10:47] <Adri2000> then go into the source directory, and debian/ directory
[10:47] <esaym> some don't have the diff.gz though
[10:47] <TheMuso> Note that packages.ubuntu.com can be out of date.
[10:47] <Adri2000> yes, they are native packages
[10:47] <esaym> hmm one sec
[10:49] <esaym> hmm, yea no debian directory :-/
[10:49] <TheMuso> esaym: ?
[10:49] <Adri2000> esaym: name of the package?
[10:49] <TheMuso> There should always be a debian directory, even with native packages.
[10:49] <esaym> libgpod
[10:49] <esaym> one sec I will get it for you
[10:50] <Adri2000> I got it
[10:50] <TheMuso> esaym: What version do you have?
[10:50] <Adri2000> $ pwd
[10:50] <Adri2000> /home/adri2000/packaging/libgpod/libgpod-0.4.2/debian
[10:50] <TheMuso> Doesn't look like a native package to me
[10:50] <esaym> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libgpod-common
[10:50] <Adri2000> that's a binary package
[10:51] <esaym> and from there I got the source linked at the bottom: libgpod_0.4.2.orig.tar.gz] 
[10:51] <esaym> Is that wrong?
[10:51] <TheMuso> You have only got one file for the source package.
[10:51] <TheMuso> esaym: Get the package source by using apt-get source. Its a lot easier.
[10:51] <Adri2000> Source Package: libgpod, Download: [dsc]  [libgpod_0.4.2.orig.tar.gz]  [libgpod_0.4.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz]  
[10:51] <Adri2000> you need the two other files (.dsc and diff.gz)
[10:52] <Adri2000> the diff.gz contains the debian/ directory ;)
[10:52] <esaym> diff.gz was a text file??
[10:52] <TheMuso> Probably because your browser decompressed it.
[10:52] <TheMuso> You need to actually download the file.
[10:52] <trycyt> geser: I could do that. I'm an autotools kind of guy, so when I have to work with packages that don't use autotools, I get this sort of mess.
[10:53] <esaym> I did and I saved it.  I extract it and it is just a text file
[10:53] <TheMuso> When dpkg-source unpacks a source package, it first unpacks the orig tarball, then applies the .diff.gz file to the unpacked source.
[10:54] <TheMuso> So it is a text file of a patch, which essentially creates the debian directory.
[10:54] <esaym> hmm, so with apt-get source that will be all automatic?
[10:54] <TheMuso> Yes.
[10:54] <TheMuso> It will fetch everything, and if you have dpkg-source, it will unpack it for you straight away.
[10:54] <esaym> well crap, hope I didn't just wast 6 hours :-\
[10:54] <esaym> waste
[10:55] <TheMuso> esaym: And as I said before, packages.ubuntu.com can get rather out of date.
[10:56] <esaym> I see, thank you
[10:56] <TheMuso> np
[10:56] <esaym> well what do I need to add to my source.list to download feisty sources from my dapper install?
[10:57] <esaym> oh wait I think I figured it out
[10:57] <esaym> one sec
[10:57] <TheMuso> Oh you are still running dapper?
[10:57] <TheMuso> Well I would advise you to set up a feisth pbuilder chroot.
[10:57] <TheMuso> feisty even
[10:58] <esaym> I got a dapper pbuilder root
[10:58] <esaym> I am trying to back port the libgpod from fiesty
[10:58] <TheMuso> But if you want to work on packages for feisty, you need to make sure they build on feisty.
[10:58] <TheMuso> oh ok
[10:59] <esaym> yea, I am just building for dapper
[10:59] <esaym> Am I ok?
[10:59] <esaym> lol
[10:59] <TheMuso> yeah thats fine then,.
[10:59] <esaym> ok, wish me luck :)
[11:02] <shawarma> Adri2000: Sorry to take off like that. My network connection is... funnny.
[11:03] <shawarma> Adri2000: about avidemux:
[11:03] <shawarma> Adri2000: It's because the .gmo files were generated both in all-yes target and the stamp-po target, but due to "-j 2" this happened simultaneously. In the .gmo target it moves some files around causing race conditions.
[11:04] <shawarma> shawarma_: You smell funny
[11:04] <shawarma> what the..
[11:05] <esaym> anyone have a link to a fiesty source.list?
[11:05] <jdong> I've got 1 hard link to it on my computer
[11:06] <esaym> lol, can you paste it anywhere for me real quick?
[11:06] <jdong> esaym: those don't work across different filesystems ;-)
[11:06] <shawarma> esaym: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[11:07] <esaym> oh cool
[11:07] <esaym> thank you
[11:07] <shawarma> np
[11:10] <shawarma> what?
[11:19] <StevenK> imbrandon: So, where did intrepid go?
[11:38] <danohuiginn> hi. anyone here got time to review two simple patches? bug 91694 and bug 91695
[11:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91694 in cgoban "No .desktop file" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91694
[11:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91695 in gtkgo "Missing a .desktop file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91695
[11:38] <danohuiginn> both just adding in application menu items
[11:39] <TheMuso> I'm having a look at the first one now.
[11:39] <danohuiginn> thanks, TheMuso
[11:40] <crimsun> I'll look at 91695, then
[11:40] <danohuiginn> crimsun: thanks
[11:40] <crimsun> (I actually just finished looking at 91694)
[11:41] <TheMuso> crimsun: oh ok
[11:41] <crimsun> TheMuso: feel free to work on 91694 :)
[11:41] <TheMuso> ok will do.
[11:42] <TheMuso> This gives me a break from a11y bug work. :)
[11:43] <crimsun>   gtkgo_0.0.10-14ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[11:43] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:43] <crimsun> thanks, danohuiginn 
[11:43] <crimsun> danohuiginn: in the future, mind the colon following "LP"
[11:43] <danohuiginn> np and thanks, crimsun
[11:43] <TheMuso> oh man!
[11:43] <TheMuso> This package so needs debhelper love.
[11:43] <danohuiginn> ok
[11:44] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: You don't need to worry about it for now.
[11:44] <TheMuso> Just commenting on the rules file.
[11:46] <danohuiginn> cgoban, TheMuso? yes, but I don't think it gets updated much anyway
[11:46] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: Right.
[11:47] <crimsun> oh man, I remember when we used to announce the first uploads of new -dev
[11:47] <crimsun> (dunno why that suddenly stuck in my mind)
[11:48] <danohuiginn> oh, could you check they uninstall properly? I just reported bug 92062, but I guess it could be something I did wrong in those packages
[11:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92062 in meta-kde "[feisty]  removing .desktop files doesn't update kde menus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92062
[11:48] <ajmitch> crimsun: yeah, I remember that happening for me, way way back then
[11:49] <TheMuso> I think this new approach is somewhat better.
[11:56] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: There is a slight error in your diff, relating to where the desktop file gets copied. I can fix it easily enough, but can you please ensure you test build the package before submitting a diff?
[11:56] <TheMuso> for cgoban
[11:58] <TheMuso> Also, any extra files, such as the .desktop file must go into the debian directory.
[11:58] <trycyt> I was trying to make a script that did basically what uupdate / uscan do (because obviously, I didn't know they existed), but in the sample watch.ex generated by dh_make, I see: # http://sf.net/libpam-cups/libpam-cups-(.*)\.tar\.gz
[11:58] <TheMuso> If they aren't part of the upstream tarball.
[11:59] <trycyt> sf.net/libpam-cups doesn't exist.
[11:59] <trycyt> I thought the new format was sourceforge.net/projects/projectname?
[12:00] <danohuiginn> thanks, TheMuso. I didn't know about putting things in the debian directory
[12:00] <danohuiginn> you want me to make another diff, or will you fix it?
[12:00] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: Don't worry about it for now, the fix is trivial.
[12:00] <TheMuso> But just remember that for next time.
[12:03] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: Just say that the desktop file was in the top directory of the source. It would not be included in the original tarball, but in the debian diff file. If there was a new upstream version, it is likely that the desktop file may clash with a newly created file in the upstream source, which causes problems.
[12:04] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: Files being in the debian directory allows things to be sorted out a lot more easily when upgrading the package.
[12:04] <danohuiginn> *nods*
[12:05] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: In fact, I will get you to make another diff. I have just noticed another slight problem.
[12:05] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: The dh_desktop command comes from the debhelper package, which is not a build dependancy.
[12:05] <TheMuso> If you can fix that, plus the desktop file location and prod me when you have another diff, that would be great.
[12:05] <danohuiginn> Yes, I experimented with dpatch on one of them, but it was getting more complicated (and undocumented) than I was ready for
[12:05] <danohuiginn> OK. I'll do that
[12:06] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: Thanks.
[12:09] <TheMuso> danohuiginn: Here is some further reading on setting up a build environment for building packages. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto