[04:08] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: ping
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: can you guide me through a stack trace? I've never done one before
[04:11] <gnomefreak> if feisty ask hjmf if edgy tomorrow would be better its late nad im trying to sleep but assholes pinging #ubuntu woke me up.
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> :(
[05:08] <Admiral_Chicago> bugzilla #17192
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, how does that work?
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> finally cleared all those bugs in my inbox
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> the good old fashioned way...triaging
[12:13] <asac> hi all
[02:02] <gnomefreak> i hate laptops still
[02:39] <gnomefreak> ok im going downstairs for coffee and work on Laptop trying to get win installed on it. ill be back later.
[03:54] <asac> @schedule
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00: MOTU Council
[03:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ouch ... poor windows maid
[03:55] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:55] <gnomefreak> i cant run ubuntu on it its only 64mb ram
[03:56] <gnomefreak> a p2 300mhz :(
[03:57] <gnomefreak> when i get home i have memoory i can add and a hd i can add once i figure out how to open it to repplace them
[03:57] <asac> gnomefreak: try debian :)
[03:58] <asac> or xubuntu
[03:58] <gnomefreak> xubuntu (maybe dappers)
[03:58] <gnomefreak> debian you need 128 no?
[03:58] <asac> don't think so ... depends on the window manager you choose
[03:58] <asac> does current xubuntu complain?
[03:59] <asac> but afaik xubuntu uses xfce which might be too heavy weight for your case
[03:59] <asac> i would try openbox
[03:59] <asac> or fluxbox
[03:59] <asac> those are really great for low mem
[03:59] <asac> and of course don't run firefox :)
[03:59] <asac> but kazehakase
[04:00] <asac> which is the best I found so far
[04:00] <asac> dunno if its in ubuntu
[04:00] <asac> kazehakase uses gecko rendering and gtk2 widgets ... but its pretty memory efficient
[04:00] <gnomefreak> i love kazehakase :)
[04:00] <asac> is it in ubuntu?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> i have it on this set up :)
[04:00] <asac> i used it pretty much too :)
[04:00] <gnomefreak> yep its in repos
[04:00] <asac> hi Mirv
[04:01] <asac> :)
[04:01] <Mirv> hello asac
[04:01] <Mirv> did you happen to find that e-mail?
[04:01] <asac> whats your email?
[04:01] <Mirv> timo.jyrinki@iki.fi
[04:01] <gnomefreak> asac: does this look familar to you. nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink
[04:02] <asac> gnomefreak: not at all ... i saw the traces but have no idea what this might be about
[04:02] <asac> maybe complete memory trashing or something
[04:02] <Mirv> Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:54:59 +0200
[04:02] <gnomefreak> ok ill look at my log to see if im missing something important
[04:03] <asac> Mirv: ok found it
[04:03] <asac> wait a second
[04:03] <Mirv> asac: ok :)
[04:03] <gnomefreak> well ill upload it to bug and let you decide it still complains about missing libflash.so but i have it in the path they give :(
[04:04] <asac> Mirv: just replace current entries?
[04:05] <asac> whats the difference (in meaning) of 'Firefox-selain' and 'Firefox-webselain'
[04:05] <asac> ?
[04:05] <asac> looks like firefox-selain is firefox-surfer ... while firefox-webselain means firefox-websurfer
[04:05] <Mirv> asac: yeah. the "selain" is just browser, "webselain" is a web browser but "web" is Finnish is a bit of a slang term, and we thought that just "selain" is enough
[04:06] <asac> so is there an established word for browser called selain?
[04:06] <Mirv> and "Firefox-WWW-selain" would look not so good either, which would be an option
[04:06] <Mirv> asac: yes
[04:06] <asac> in german we just use browser
[04:07] <asac> Mirv: ok ... if you coordinated this with other finish translators, then i am fine.
[04:08] <Mirv> asac: yeah, it's been agreed by enough people (I'm the team contact for Ubuntu Finnish translators, and also hanging out with other Finnish l10n people)
[04:09] <Mirv> asac: actually, if you _are_ somehow affiliated with iceweasel in Debian, you could make the same change there, too. otherwise same, just s/Firefox/Iceweasel/.
[04:10] <asac> ok ... i am not iceweasel maintainer ... though i talk to them from time to time. Maybe just send a mail to pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org if you don't want to open a bug for this
[04:10] <Mirv> asac: ah, ok. I will handle Debian myself, then.
[04:10] <Mirv> (at some point)
[04:10] <Mirv> it's not a big deal, but it looks more appropriate this way
[04:10] <asac> is it "finish translation" or "finnish translation" ?
[04:11] <asac> guess the latter ;)
[04:11] <asac> unless you always finish ;)
[04:13] <Mirv> yes, Finnish :)
[04:14] <asac> Mirv: ok ... checked into my archive ...should be there on next update ;)
[04:14] <asac> thanks for pinging me
[04:14] <Mirv> asac: cool, thanks for this. I will check it when it comes out, too.
[04:15] <asac> maybe pretty soon ... otherwise it might take a week or two
[04:17] <Mirv> feisty is starting to look superb for the Finnish people, that's why I'm tweaking little things here and there, too. it's the first time the high quality spellchecking, voikko libraries, are integrated in language-support-fi, an quite important aspect for many
[04:18] <Mirv> (http://voikko.sourceforge.net/ , if sf would work)
[04:23] <asac> can libenchant deal with german language?
[04:23] <asac> dunno how german language is classified
[04:23] <asac> its somehow that you can combine words as much as you like ... so you cannot have a complete dictionary
[04:24] <asac> Mirv: if you have icedove/thunderbird improvements
[04:24] <Mirv> sure, http://www.abisource.com/projects/enchant/ , it has support for eg. aspell, hunspell, hspell and voikko
[04:24] <asac> push them eraly
[04:24] <asac> early :)
[04:24] <asac> ah ... its a just a new frontend
[04:24] <asac> that would be fine
[04:25] <asac> howver ... is it available on win too? ... its because firefox still uses myspell ... and another layer of abstraction could help imo.
[04:25] <Mirv> yes, Finnish can't be handled with even hunspell :( there's now a possibility to directly use libvoikko, or via the libenchant plugin, or via a ispell-wrapper, but currently aspell/myspell/hunspell don't provide the high quality spellchecking for Finnish
[04:25] <asac> actually i don't know about the quality of hunspell for german
[04:26] <asac> i just hope that its _better_
[04:26] <asac> not perfect
[04:26] <asac> but interesting to hear
[04:26] <Mirv> it would look like there is a win32 support, "has internationalization and win32 fixes"
[04:26] <asac> as debian hunspell maintainer never told us that even hunspell has problems
[04:26] <Mirv> and yeah, it would be really cool for mozilla to move from myspell forwards to enchant, as well
[04:26] <asac> yeah ... upstream has still not migrated to hunspell ... but people often push them to use it
[04:27] <Mirv> there's some extension to add voikko support to mozilla, but it's a bit of a hack because of the current mozilla's spellchecking support and probably can't be packaged to debian/ubuntu
[04:27] <asac> probably right
[04:27] <Mirv> yeah, people always assume that eg. hunspell is perfect, if it works for more languages.. but they always forget the 100 languages it still doesn't cover :)
[04:27] <asac> however ... mozilla ships everthing on its own ... so if we (mozilla) use libenchat
[04:27] <asac> would it be necessary to ship another backend as well (e.g. hunspell) ?
[04:28] <asac> e.g. so that firefox can work out of the box without system lib requirements
[04:29] <Mirv> hmm, that's right... ie. it needs the hunspell backend
[04:29] <Mirv> for libenchant, to cover those languages supported by hunspell
[04:29] <asac> hmm
[04:29] <Mirv> of course, it might be that even just hunspell support in mozilla would help to make at least working extensions without hacks, but I dunno
[04:30] <asac> maybe add libenchant to mozilla source ... and then add multiple backends too
[04:30] <asac> e.g. myspell, hunspell, ispell
[04:30] <asac> and just use one of those by default
[04:30] <asac> benefit would be that the code that hooks spellchecker into firefox would not need to be touched
[04:31] <asac> anyway ... thanks for the inside ... I will chew abit on this
[04:31] <asac> s/inside/insight/
[04:31] <Mirv> yep. enchant has 8 backends, covering in addition to Finnish (Voikko) eg. Turkish (Zemberek), Hebrew (Hspell) and some others not coverd by hunspell
[04:31] <asac> gnomefreak: i posted a list of gnome integration bugs in bugzilla ... and asked reporter of gconf bug to go through it before submitting a new bug upstrewam
[04:31] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get time can you look at the stacks on bug 71315 i have seen these before
[04:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71315 in firefox "Crash with totem when opening an MPG link" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71315
[04:32] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe take a look ... so you know that such a master bug exists there
[04:32] <asac> (e.g. gnome integration master bug)
[04:32] <Mirv> yeah, good to let knowledge spread, at least that hunspell is not the final answer to spellchecking, either
[04:32] <gnomefreak> asac: ah ok
[04:32] <asac> i have seen this bug title before :)
[04:32] <gnomefreak> bugzilla == gnomes bugzilla?
[04:32] <asac> can you search for just "MPG link" and see how much duplicates it yields
[04:32] <asac> no
[04:32] <asac> bugzilla = bugzilla.mozilla.org
[04:33] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[04:33] <asac> the one and only original one :)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:33] <asac> at least in context of firefox packaging this is reasonable :)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> i looked already thats why i posted what i did
[04:33] <gnomefreak> mpg i dont remember seeing but will look.
[04:33] <asac> yeah ... maybe its hidden in one of the gnome bugs
[04:34] <asac> sometimes title in bugzilla are a mess ... maybe its named proper gconf integration please
[04:34] <asac> and then in content there is:
[04:34] <asac> preferred application
[04:34] <asac> proxy setting :)
[04:34] <asac> etc.
[04:34] <asac> bug lets let do the reporter the job of looking
[04:34] <asac> gnomefreak: which trace?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> i tried all kinds of searches the one i posted was the only thing that gave me anything to go on
[04:34] <asac> there are at least two
[04:35] <gnomefreak> the first one
[04:35] <gnomefreak> the second one is garbage :(
[04:35] <asac> yeah ... totem bug ... however don't know if its the same
[04:35] <asac> actually the gtk_style_realize is still reproducible
[04:35] <asac> but not in original context anymore
[04:36] <asac> imo totem plugin code should be completely rewritten
[04:36] <asac> they tried to reinvent the wheel instead of using existing plugin templates and best-practices
[04:36] <asac> otherwise it will hunt us down forever imo
[04:37] <gnomefreak> mpg only gives that bug
[04:37] <asac> ok ... then i visitted it before :)
[04:37] <asac> gnomefreak: use [@_destroystream]  [@NP_Initialize] 
[04:38] <gnomefreak> yeah i was thinking totem bug but didnt see anything that lead me to say that
[04:38] <gnomefreak> set master?
[04:38] <asac> hmmm
[04:38] <asac> yes
[04:38] <gnomefreak> k
[04:38] <asac> what is it on?
[04:38] <asac> egy?
[04:38] <asac> edgy?
[04:39] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:39] <gnomefreak> mt-need????
[04:39] <asac> mt-confirm
[04:39] <gnomefreak> k
[04:39] <asac> if its master
[04:39] <asac> move it to mt-upstream ... "Confirmed
[04:39] <asac> "
[04:40] <asac> maybe see if its an upstream issue (e.g. totem -> gnomezilla )
[04:40] <gnomefreak> we need an upstream first
[04:40] <asac> yes
[04:40] <asac> but upstream triage is done in state confirmed
[04:40] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:40] <asac> so State: "Confirmed" Tag: "mt-upstream"
[04:41] <asac> if we find nothing we might need to go back to mt-needtestcase
[04:41] <asac> but that is future talk :)
[04:41] <asac> i am almost certain that this is totem proble,m
[04:42] <gnomefreak> ok registering for gnomes bug tracker now
[04:44] <asac> yeah ... good :)
[04:44] <asac> extend the net
[04:45] <asac> i already have 2 points of gnome karma :)
[04:45] <asac> was as easy as: open a bug, attach a patch
[04:45] <asac> :)
[04:45] <asac> more activity gnome bugzilla hasn't seen from me
[04:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:45] <asac> but those heavy weight devels only have 25 points
[04:45] <asac> guess that is max
[04:45] <asac> so I am already at ~ 10% :)
[04:48] <asac> damn ... i still cannot turn off spamassassin autolearn
[04:48] <asac> it just doesn't work
[04:48] <asac> whatever i do ... all mails get autolearn=spam/ham/no
[04:50] <gnomefreak> can i search for something other than totem :(
[04:50] <gnomefreak> i tried [@_destroystream]  [@NP_Initialize]  also :(
[04:50] <asac> hmm
[04:51] <asac> probably we should wait till we get at least one more duplicate before do upstream triage?
[04:51] <asac> who knows what this was caused by
[04:51] <gnomefreak> not sure but i found a gconf-editor bug
[04:51] <gnomefreak> in relation to totem
[04:53] <gnomefreak> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333232
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 333232 in GStreamer backend "Play issue with embedded MOV files" [Normal,New] 
[04:53] <gnomefreak> what do you think?
[04:57] <asac> hmm
[04:57] <asac> not the one i guess
[04:58] <asac> let me think
[04:58] <asac> when did the bug pop up?
[04:58] <asac> how long ago?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> 2006-11-10 23:38:33 EST
[05:01] <asac> if we don't see any dupe than probably it was due to some crazy situation :)
[05:02] <gnomefreak> true
[05:02] <asac> lets keep it and once we get duplicate go ahead
[05:02] <gnomefreak> im looking for dupes atm for anything i can find
[05:02] <asac> are all crashes retraced?
[05:03] <gnomefreak> no most of mine are as far as i can get but alot are 64bit or feisty and i havent worked out feistys breakage yet
[05:03] <asac> ok
[05:03] <asac> will take care of x86_64 later today
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: we have over 2000+ bugs i imagine not all are done by a long shot
[05:03] <asac> and PPC
[05:03] <asac> 2000+ ?
[05:03] <asac> i see 700+ (excluding dupes)
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: if you click on all bugs ever reported
[05:03] <asac> at least for firefox
[05:03] <asac> ah
[05:03] <asac> :)
[05:04] <gnomefreak> 518 results is the search im working on
[05:04] <asac> i hope i can help bug triaging soon ... to get bug count down
[05:05] <asac> for now i get to get everything in shape
[05:05] <asac> beta is soon
[05:05] <asac> and I am working in a hurry :)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> i think your time is better spent that way to be honest.
[05:06] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/84716  what are we doing with this?
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info] 
[05:06] <asac> sure :)
[05:06] <asac> is it a dupe?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> i dont think so
[05:07] <asac> i tried to reproduce bug orca didn't work
[05:07] <asac> what does the trace show?
[05:07] <gnomefreak> nothing to trace
[05:07] <gnomefreak> just screenshots
[05:09] <asac> close it ... "if ever see crash, open a new bug with crash report attached. Thanks" :)
[05:09] <gnomefreak> close it?
[05:09] <asac> dolphinboy appears to be somehow wierd
[05:09] <asac> yes ... what should we do ... maybe try if you can reproduce crash
[05:09] <asac> i couldn't get orca
[05:09] <asac> ok
[05:09] <asac> lets move this to AlexLatchford
[05:09] <asac> he is the accessibility man afaik :)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ok ill assign him
[05:10] <asac> maybe he can reproduce? or ask accessibility team to do so
[05:13] <gnomefreak> ok assigned to him
[05:15] <asac> damn kazehakase still depends on mozilla-browser in edgy
[05:15] <asac> thats bad news
[05:15] <asac> why is mozilla still in universe?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> not sure
[05:16] <gnomefreak> since kaxehakase is mozilla (atleast its gecko im sure it would fit under our packages) cant we change that easily ;)
[05:17] <asac> yeah
[05:17] <gnomefreak> and change the name to somethign easier to type ;)
[05:17] <asac> but mozilla is outdated
[05:17] <asac> in feisty it already depends on libxul
[05:17] <asac> which is good
[05:17] <asac> we will hopefull end up with even firefox making use of libxul in feisty+1
[05:17] <gnomefreak> that should be easy enough to roll out
[05:18] <asac> yeah ... but not for edgy
[05:18] <asac> mozilla-browser version in edgy/universe is 1.7.13 something
[05:18] <gnomefreak> we dont need mozilla(suite) for anything to be honest. I think its there just as a place holder until we change it
[05:18] <asac> which has loads of security issues
[05:18] <asac> no... it is actually used by kazehakase :)
[05:19] <asac> but has been removed from feisty afaik
[05:19] <gnomefreak> can we merge 1.8 into edgy?
[05:19] <asac> 1.8 does not exist
[05:19] <asac> its now seamonkey
[05:19] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:19] <asac> no we won't do anything about that in edgy i guess
[05:19] <gnomefreak> but seamonkey uses gecko 1.8.3 no?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> or 1.8.1/.2
[05:19] <asac> seamonkey 1.0.x uses gecko 1.8.0.x
[05:20] <asac> seamonkey 1.1.x uses geck 1.8.x
[05:20] <asac> e.g. 1.8.1.x
[05:20] <gnomefreak> and mozilla uses gecko 1.7*
[05:20] <asac> firefox 2.0.0.x = 1.8.x (1.8.1.x)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:20] <asac> firefox 1.5.0.x = 1.8.0.x
[05:20] <asac> :)
[05:20] <asac> confusing enough :)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> it is
[05:20] <asac> actually firefox 1.5 series comes from mozilla 1.8.0 branch
[05:21] <asac> while firefox 2 from 1.8 branch
[05:21] <gnomefreak> we cant replace edgys mozilla with seamonkey so they are gonna have to deal with it.
[05:21] <asac> i think noone can deal with that in edgy ... maybe they sync with debian sarge (if they are smart)
[05:21] <asac> i did backports for mozilla to debian sarge
[05:21] <gnomefreak> our packages like ff and tb are not backportable by ubuntu standards
[05:21] <asac> but I don't think they do
[05:22] <asac> not easily
[05:22] <gnomefreak> im assuming that goes for mozilla-browser/suite and everything else mozilla related
[05:23] <gnomefreak> doesnt make alot of sense sometimes to me though since tb is the only thing that depends on libc6-*
[05:23] <asac> its not easily backportable for security fixes yes
[05:23] <gnomefreak> fx doesnt list anything really version spiecific
[05:23] <asac> yeah
[05:23] <asac> the point with firefox is
[05:23] <asac> other applications depend on it
[05:24] <asac> so we cannot push in new upstream major version
[05:24] <asac> as those apps will break
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ah thats right including ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <asac> e.g. epiphany kazehakase
[05:24] <asac> etc.
[05:24] <gnomefreak> yelp and so one
[05:24] <asac> same goes for edgy
[05:24] <gnomefreak> on
[05:24] <asac> if you exchange a gecko 1.7 with geck 1.8
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ok i remember that now
[05:24] <asac> kazehakase will probably not even start
[05:24] <asac> thats why its hard to fix this in edgy now
[05:24] <gnomefreak> it wont ive played with that before
[05:25] <asac> because it would require at least a respin of kazehakase
[05:25] <gnomefreak> easy enough to fix just time consuming ;)
[05:25] <asac> probably you want to do the migration?
[05:25] <asac> :)
[05:25] <gnomefreak> we would have to respin all depends
[05:25] <gnomefreak> not really ;)
[05:25] <asac> ... yes ... and then they might break
[05:25] <asac> either not build
[05:25] <gnomefreak> i cant merge yet
[05:25] <asac> or crash because something changed
[05:26] <gnomefreak> true
[05:26] <asac> its pretty much work to do it
[05:26] <asac> i think pitti and iwj did it for breezy/dapper
[05:26] <asac> they migrated epiphany from mozilla-browser 1.7.13 to firefox
[05:26] <asac> 1.5.0
[05:26] <asac> which was a pretty hard task
[05:26] <gnomefreak> true
[05:26] <asac> in fact they eded up doing the migration for breezy
[05:27] <asac> so breezy has still 1.7 mozilla ... which is for a yeah now maintained (in regards of security) only by me
[05:27] <asac> ok ... out for a cigarette
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ill be here trying to fix this pos
[05:34] <gnomefreak> trainer: ok when its on pastebin let me know
[05:34] <trainer> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.us/17176
[05:35] <gnomefreak> trainer: where did you get your version of firefox and -dom?
[05:35] <trainer> you mean which repository?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> trainer: yes
[05:35] <trainer> ok 1 sec
[05:35] <gnomefreak> trainer: what version of ubuntu?
[05:36] <trainer> edgy
[05:37] <asac> trainer: do an aptitude dist-upgrade first
[05:37] <asac> or apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:37] <asac> ah
[05:37] <asac> trainer: you miss the universe repository
[05:37] <gnomefreak> asac: you should be at store :)
[05:37] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[05:37] <asac> wrote a mail
[05:38] <gnomefreak> but ty it gives me a chance to fgure out grub :(
[05:38] <asac> look in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <asac> and add universe to the -updates lines
[05:38] <asac> trainer: ^^^
[05:38] <trainer> wait my sources.list has all the dapper repos
[05:38] <asac> no
[05:38] <asac> at least i don't think so
[05:38] <asac> or?
[05:38] <gnomefreak> trainer: your using dapper thats why i asked
[05:38] <asac> hmm
[05:39] <trainer> sorry
[05:39] <gnomefreak> 1.5 wasnt in edgy as final
[05:39] <asac> can you paste sources.list?
[05:39] <trainer> http://pastebin.us/17177
[05:39] <gnomefreak> asac: how do i use ubuntus grub instead of suses :(
[05:39] <asac> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[05:40] <asac> maybe add universe to that
[05:40] <asac> hmm
[05:40] <asac> grub-install
[05:40] <asac> you have to call
[05:40] <asac> that will overwrite the bootsector
[05:40] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[05:40] <gnomefreak> asac: still wouldnt beable to fix the depends on 2.0?
[05:40] <asac> its a depends from what was initially in edgy
[05:40] <gnomefreak> grub-install hda0?
[05:40] <gnomefreak> or just grub-install
[05:40] <asac> the other version is the 1.5.0.x security update
[05:40] <asac> dunno :)
[05:41] <asac> man grub-install
[05:41] <gnomefreak> k
[05:41] <asac> i guess if everything is setup properly
[05:41] <asac> just grup-install should do
[05:41] <asac> but take care
[05:41] <asac> your bootloader might be broken afterwards
[05:41] <asac> at least keep an ubuntu cd at hands
[05:42] <gnomefreak> not very helpful man page :(
[05:42] <trainer> so add this line?   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe
[05:42] <asac> no
[05:42] <asac> append universe to existing
[05:42] <asac> line
[05:42] <trainer> ahhhhh
[05:42] <asac> e.g. deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[05:43] <asac> -> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe
[05:43] <asac> anyway ... don't know
[05:43] <gnomefreak> asac: he has edgy beryl repos so he might have a messed up libc6
[05:43] <asac> if there is security support for universe ... gnomefreak ???
[05:43] <gnomefreak> or gnome libs
[05:43] <gnomefreak> asac: should be
[05:43] <gnomefreak> i have all for security repos
[05:44] <asac> no don't thinkn so
[05:44] <asac> firefox-dom-inspector: Depends: firefox (= 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-0ubuntu3) but 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.10-0ubuntu0.6.06.2 is to be installed
[05:44] <asac> its really about original dapper version installed
[05:44] <gnomefreak> right
[05:44] <asac> aeh available
[05:44] <trainer> that did it! thank you!
[05:44] <asac> trainer: eah ... you have a bug open for that?
[05:44] <asac> i remember that I saw something about that
[05:44] <asac> if so, please close it :)
[05:45] <asac> rejected
[05:45] <trainer> no I didn't open one
[05:45] <asac> ok then fine
[05:47] <trainer> thanks again
[05:52] <gnomefreak> brb hopfully this worked :)
[05:59] <gnomefreak> that didnt work :(
[06:17] <gnomefreak> nothing i do works :(
[06:22] <asac> what are you tryin?
[06:22] <gnomefreak> overwrite suse's grub with ubuntus
[06:23] <gnomefreak> i have tried everything i can think of that makes sense in the wiki
[06:23] <gnomefreak> and still seeing suse's grub :(
[06:23] <asac> if you still can boot then you are lucky :)
[06:23] <asac> how did you run grup-install?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
[06:25] <gnomefreak> hd0,0 is suse and hd1,0 is ubuntu
[06:25] <gnomefreak> from what grub tells me
[06:26] <gnomefreak> im getting tired of adding ubuntus new kernel to suses grub with every update
[06:27] <gnomefreak> and #suse is of no help (but that is normal)
[06:28] <gnomefreak> maybe i should just install something over suse and say fudge it
[06:28] <gnomefreak> how is etch?
[06:35] <asac> hmm
[06:35] <asac> etch is good
[06:36] <asac> pretty good :)
[06:36] <asac> its pretty long term though
[06:36] <asac> if you run feisty
[06:36] <asac> you should install etch
[06:36] <asac> then go for sid
[06:36] <asac> its probably not less stable
[06:36] <asac> and has all the software of the world :)
[06:37] <asac> ah ... of course ... the free-worlkd
[06:38] <gnomefreak> sid?
[06:38] <asac> yes ... the ever going development version
[06:38] <asac> like what is feisty now
[06:38] <asac> but it stays that way forever
[06:38] <asac> when release is near
[06:38] <asac> packages are not updated that fast anymore
[06:38] <gnomefreak> but i thought etch was the only in devel
[06:38] <asac> but otherwise all packages end up
[06:38] <asac> etch is the next release
[06:38] <asac> its currently testing
[06:39] <asac> thats where packages end up if no release critical bugs have been discovered
[06:39] <asac> in sid
[06:39] <asac> for some time
[06:39] <asac> debian stages packages
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:39] <asac> so no dirt gets into testing (aka proposed next stable release)
[06:39] <asac> thats why its so stable :)
[06:39] <asac> so running sid is what running feisty is now
[06:39] <asac> but there is no installer for sid
[06:40] <asac> so install etch
[06:40] <asac> then dist-upgrade right away
[06:40] <asac> there is even a graphical installer
[06:40] <asac> atm
[06:40] <asac> but i wouldn't care as curses installer is really simple
[06:40] <gnomefreak> ok is there a way to install without a cd :(
[06:40] <gnomefreak> or floppy
[06:41] <asac> etch rc2 releases are at
[06:41] <gnomefreak> i dont have cds handy atm
[06:41] <asac> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[06:41] <asac> ah
[06:41] <asac> netboot
[06:41] <asac> :)
[06:41] <asac> Netboot, floppy and hd-media images are available from:
[06:41] <asac> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-<arch>/rc2/images/
[06:41] <asac> so <arch> = i386
[06:41] <asac> for you i guess
[06:42] <gnomefreak> yep
[06:43] <gnomefreak> and i want the mini iso right?
[06:44] <asac> dunno
[06:44] <asac> what you like
[06:44] <asac> i guess floppy
[06:44] <asac> or netboot
[06:44] <gnomefreak> i went to netboot than it gives me 3 choices
[06:44] <asac> a cd would be pretty fortunate
[06:45] <asac> probably use floppy
[06:45] <asac> netboot i don't know much about it
[06:45] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[06:45] <asac> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/
[06:45] <asac> 5 disks
[06:45] <asac> that should be doabl
[06:46] <gnomefreak> maybe since net is so much faster here than home ill download them here and burn them at home :)
[06:47] <gnomefreak> i have  ablank cd :) net install it is
[06:49] <gnomefreak> ok brb smoke
[06:51] <asac> great
[06:52] <asac> netinstall
[06:52] <asac> is best
[06:52] <asac> 200 mb
[06:52] <asac> i guess
[06:55] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've retraced bug 90577 that you assigned to me with the same results you got
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90577 in firefox "Firefox crashes during form entry" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90577
[06:55] <gnomefreak> looking
[06:55] <asac> i have seen more than one crash like that
[06:55] <asac> anyone else too?
[06:55] <gnomefreak> asac: its 159mb. is ther e agnome meta package in etch?
[06:56] <asac> you can choose during instlal
[06:56] <asac> if you choose
[06:56] <asac> Desktop Environment
[06:56] <asac> you will get gnome
[06:56] <asac> and all setup
[06:56] <asac> there are other "tasks" as well
[06:56] <asac> but desktop enviroment should be the way to go
[06:57] <gnomefreak> ah netinstall allows me to choose? i thought it would drop me in tty
[06:57] <asac> yes
[06:57] <asac> you can choose as usually
[06:57] <gnomefreak> ah ok easy enough i remember debian installer
[06:57] <asac> only packages come from net not cd
[06:57] <gnomefreak> hjmf: asac he has something hes not telling us maybe beryl or something that might be causing crash IMHO
[06:58] <asac> really ... pointing bugs at other apps is always last resort ... so lets first assume that its firefox problem
[06:58] <asac> plugin?
[06:58] <asac> extension?
[06:58] <asac> reproducible?
[06:58] <asac> output on console?
[06:59] <hjmf> he has a realplayer installed at /opt, maybe related
[07:00] <gnomefreak> as i asked if he can reproduce it and asked him to provide backtrace by following the wiki
[07:00] <gnomefreak> hjmf: yes i was thinking that too when i retraced it
[07:00] <gnomefreak> if he cant reproduce it there is nothing we can really do IMHO
[07:01] <hjmf> I've tried to link /usr/lib/helix/player/mozilla/nphelix.so /opt/RealPlayer/mozilla/ to see if that gets a clue
[07:01] <asac> what is helix?
[07:01] <hjmf> but makes no diference
[07:01] <gnomefreak> helixplayer
[07:01] <gnomefreak> its like realplayer iirc
[07:01] <asac> ah
[07:01] <asac> does he have real player?
[07:01] <asac> maybe we can reproduce with it?
[07:01] <gnomefreak> im not sure wtf nphelix.so is located though
[07:02] <gnomefreak> installed in /opt
[07:03] <asac> why do people need realplayer?
[07:03] <asac> just marketing affinity?
[07:03] <hjmf> maybe they install everything that popups
[07:03] <asac> yeah ... probably good guess ;)
[07:04] <gnomefreak> added a few comments
[07:04] <gnomefreak> lets see what he says
[07:04] <gnomefreak> problem is filling out a form has nothing to do with media player
[07:04] <gnomefreak> s
[07:04] <asac> yeah ... anyway
[07:05] <asac> wierd crashes
[07:05] <gnomefreak> maybe he meant forum entry but still no need for player
[07:05] <asac> are most likely not related to the code that you see in trace
[07:05] <asac> but maybe memory got trashed sometimes before
[07:05] <asac> nobody can tell when
[07:05] <asac> console output might yield assertions
[07:05] <asac> to indicate some wierd things
[07:05] <gnomefreak> asac: no way of telling if his statment is true that he cant reproduce it
[07:06] <asac> yes
[07:06] <gnomefreak> s/telling if/telling, if
[07:06] <asac> i guess 98% of reporters won't be able to reproduce a crash
[07:06] <asac> they might get another crash
[07:06] <asac> especially if they use comments like "closed unexpectedly, shutdown for no reason, etc)
[07:07] <gnomefreak> since there isnt enough info to do much with
[07:07] <asac> yes probably ... however keeping open as reference, so we get alarm bells if a dupe happens is always good
[07:08] <asac> maybe other reporter can reproduce
[07:08] <asac> its like a puzzle
[07:08] <asac> don't throw pieces away ... find a way to manage them :)
[07:08] <asac> of course this is a growing puzzle
[07:08] <asac> ok ... back to hard work
[07:09] <hjmf> asac, gnomefreak, I have to go. gnomefreak If you want me to do edgy retraces tell me, there are too little retraceable reports in feisty. I'll review the logs later.  see you
[07:09] <asac> bye
[07:10] <gnomefreak> bye
[07:11] <gnomefreak> hjmf: if you find some assign some to me and yourself. i only have one more retrace i can do atm and im going through bugs from oldest to newest. but i would love some more to do :)
[07:13] <gnomefreak> but today im gonna try to get debian installed
[07:16] <gnomefreak> ill be back im gonna install this
[08:35] <gnomefreak> i think this is good :)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> just have to figure a few things out
[08:41] <hjmf> something curious about bug #71605
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71605 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@IM_get_input_context]  (null-deref)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:41] <hjmf> asac, gnomefreak ^^^
[08:41] <asac> yes?
[08:41] <hjmf> be careful because first retraced stacktrace is about @IM_get_input_context
[08:42] <hjmf> but first reporter's crash is a gtk issue
[08:42] <asac> which?
[08:42] <asac> trace?
[08:42] <asac> gnomefreak: you are on debian?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> right now yes kind of
[08:42] <asac> how "kind of" ?
[08:43] <hjmf> Yes, Kevin Kubasik  crash is gtk_style_realize
[08:43] <asac> did install work well?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> hjmf: everyone else i filed bugs for use kevin as default bug
[08:43] <asac> hjmf: ah ok ... then its ok. we can merge it to master.
[08:43] <gnomefreak> mark it as dupe of 72018
[08:43] <hjmf> no!
[08:43] <asac> no?
[08:43] <asac> ah bug 72018
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[08:43] <asac> is wrong
[08:43] <gnomefreak> asac: yes im on it but i want icons off desktop and i need a sources.list :(
[08:44] <hjmf> because first retrace can be used as master of [@IM_get_input_context] 
[08:44] <gnomefreak> asac: dont tell me that there are 100 or so dupes
[08:44] <asac> hjmf: yes ... its in description ... lets use it for that
[08:44] <gnomefreak> oh you mean the im_get  i have a bunch with that
[08:44] <asac> e.g. @IM_get_input_context
[08:44] <hjmf> the one from MasterOfDisaster
[08:45] <gnomefreak> asac: so use 72018 as master for IM_get_imput_context?
[08:45] <asac> bug 72018
[08:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[08:45] <asac> no
[08:45] <asac> there is already one
[08:45] <gnomefreak> Reported bugs for MasterofDisaster and Hugh for their reports.
[08:45] <gnomefreak> i already reported bugs for them and jules
[08:45] <asac> do what you want :)
[08:46] <asac> we have master for both i guess
[08:46] <gnomefreak> bug 71605 == kevins bug only now
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71605 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@IM_get_input_context]  (null-deref)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:46] <asac> yes
[08:46] <asac> bug 85627,
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85627 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@ IM_get_input_context]  when watching video" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85627
[08:46] <asac> is master
[08:46] <gnomefreak> asac: where can i get a good sources list?
[08:47] <asac> what do you miss?
[08:47] <hjmf> SHIT
[08:47] <gnomefreak> asac: everything i only have 2 repos
[08:47] <hjmf> I did a search like this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.searchtext=MASTER
[08:47] <asac> gnomefreak: paste somewhere
[08:47] <gnomefreak> k
[08:48] <asac> hjmf: did it not show up?
[08:48] <asac> btw, there are more IM_get_input_context
[08:48] <hjmf> and I thought that bug 71605 was a master
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71605 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@IM_get_input_context]  (null-deref)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:48] <asac> that can be merged into the master
[08:48] <hjmf> :/
[08:48] <asac> the other has the upstream bug
[08:48] <asac> thats why it is master by definition :)
[08:48] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10229/
[08:48] <hjmf> now I see it; my fault, Im blind
[08:49] <hjmf> I cant read, sorry guys
[08:49] <gnomefreak> hjmf: atleast you can read most days :(
[08:49] <hjmf> :)
[08:49] <asac> gnomefreak: remove the CD lines
[08:49] <asac> if you have net access
[08:49] <asac> then
[08:50] <asac> just use these:
[08:50] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10230/
[08:50] <asac> gnomefreak: you want to go sid?
[08:50] <asac> if so
[08:50] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10231/
[08:50] <gnomefreak> i will be going to sid sooner or later. maybe tonight
[08:50] <asac> just those
[08:50] <asac> then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <asac> ok
[08:50] <asac> gnomefreak: just do now :)
[08:51] <asac> better before you install more packages
[08:51] <gnomefreak> and that will get me nvidia java flash and stuff?
[08:51] <gnomefreak> good point
[08:51] <asac> nvidia is simple
[08:51] <asac> from non-free
[08:51] <asac> you get it
[08:51] <asac> java as well
[08:51] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:51] <asac> flash ... dunno
[08:51] <asac> you can install from adobe
[08:52] <asac> for nvidia you need
[08:52] <asac> nvidia-glx
[08:52] <asac> and
[08:52] <asac> module-assistant
[08:52] <asac> and then select the nvidia module
[08:52] <gnomefreak> ok i upgrade first :)
[08:52] <asac> it will build and install the nvidia kernel
[08:52] <asac> yes do
[08:52] <asac> :)
[08:52] <asac> etch and sid are currently pretty much in sync
[08:52] <gnomefreak> doing update now :)_
[08:53] <gnomefreak> 2 repos :(
[08:53] <asac> so ther should be no hard problems :)
[08:53] <asac> yes they are just 2
[08:53] <gnomefreak> my ubuntu list is long compared to debian
[08:53] <asac> but you have each
[08:53] <asac> main contrib non-free
[08:53] <asac> sure
[08:53] <asac> ubuntu has lots of comments
[08:53] <asac> and backports stuff
[08:53] <asac> but if you go sid you don't need such a thing
[08:53] <gnomefreak> true
[08:54] <gnomefreak> well 115 upgrade
[08:54] <asac> thats good ... if you come from cd ... those packages might have even been updated in etch
[08:54] <gnomefreak> how to remove icons from desktop?
[08:54] <asac> just remove?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> cant cd Desktop and mv them cant right click
[08:54] <gnomefreak> and remove
[08:54] <asac> no?
[08:55] <asac> hmm
[08:55] <gnomefreak> nope
[08:55] <gnomefreak> cant drag and drop into trash either
[08:55] <asac> hmm
[08:55] <asac> keep them for now
[08:55] <asac> i guess you can
[08:56] <asac> set this in administration->Preferences
[08:56] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[08:57] <asac> maybe its a nautilus setting?
[08:57] <asac> i remember something
[08:57] <asac> but can't tell :)
[08:58] <asac> debian ships it the gnome default way
[08:58] <gnomefreak> i noticed
[08:58] <asac> e.g. nautilus in normal mode
[08:58] <asac> not browser
[08:58] <gnomefreak> nautilus is weird always opening another window and so small
[08:59] <gnomefreak> what is thunderbird called now? icedove?
[08:59] <asac> http://www.theevilpixel.com/?q=node/157
[08:59] <asac> yes
[08:59] <asac> install thunderbird will install it as well
[09:00] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[09:00] <asac> nautilus remembers size and place for each folder
[09:00] <asac> so you can organize your desktop :)
[09:00] <asac> spatial mode assumes flat directory hierachy
[09:00] <asac> layout
[09:01] <asac> so you add a few folders on your desktop or something and put files you want to access in there
[09:01] <asac> actually i like spatial mode :)
[09:01] <asac> didn't came to reset to that here on ubuntu
[09:01] <asac> will do now :)
[09:01] <gnomefreak> never used spatial mode
[09:05] <asac> did the gconf setting work?=
[09:05] <asac> for desktop icons?
[09:06] <asac> you can run killall nautilus if it doesn't update automatically after changing setting
[09:06] <asac> yeah ... i am now highly decorated :)
[09:07] <gnomefreak> yep they did ty
[09:12] <gnomefreak> Could not open the address "http://www.theevilpixel.com/?q=node/157":
[09:13] <gnomefreak> There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[09:13] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[09:13] <asac> hehe
[09:13] <asac> maybe you need to set firefox
[09:13] <asac> in preferences?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> i set iceweasle :(
[09:13] <asac> what app are you in?
[09:13] <asac> xchat?
[09:13] <asac> irssi?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> irssi
[09:14] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[09:14] <asac> from gnome-terminal? strange always worked for me
[09:14] <gnomefreak> setting it to firefox instead of iceweasle worked
[09:14] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[09:14] <asac> is there an iceweasel entry?
[09:14] <asac> a prepared one?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:14] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:14] <gnomefreak> and it failed to open it
[09:14] <asac> can you start iceweasel from command line?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:15] <asac> maybe syntax is messed up in preferred applications?
[09:15] <asac> of command
[09:15] <gnomefreak> ill look at it
[09:16] <gnomefreak> that worked (resetting it)
[09:16] <asac> ok so maybe accident edit :)
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nmo it didnt
[09:16] <asac> how do icons of icedove and iceweasel look like in menu?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> its only opening tabs that it errors on
[09:16] <asac> crazy
[09:16] <asac> what command is there?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> it keeps changing
[09:17] <gnomefreak> its now /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox "%s"
[09:17] <gnomefreak> it was iceweasel %s
[09:17] <asac> hmm
[09:17] <asac> are you asked on startup
[09:17] <asac> "update default application" ?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> find out now
[09:18] <gnomefreak> ok its set to default
[09:18] <gnomefreak> now it works
[09:18] <gnomefreak> wtf
[09:18] <asac> updated again?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> it asks me everytime i start
[09:19] <asac> ah
[09:19] <asac> bug then
[09:19] <gnomefreak> it says its not default want to make it default :(
[09:19] <asac> remove -gnome-support
[09:19] <asac> that should remove that question
[09:19] <asac> probably already filed
[09:20] <asac> doesn't that happen to firefox?
[09:20] <asac> e.g. when you choose firefox
[09:20] <gnomefreak> no i dont think it did
[09:20] <asac> it probably does
[09:20] <asac> would be strange otherwise
[09:20] <gnomefreak> doesnt help
[09:21] <gnomefreak> removing iceweasel-gnome-support
[09:21] <gnomefreak> ok lets find out
[09:21] <gnomefreak> yep still borkedd
[09:22] <gnomefreak> set it to ff and leave it alone works :)
[09:23] <asac> crazy
[09:23] <asac> what color has iceweasel icon in menu?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> purpleish
[09:24] <gnomefreak> its pretty nice
[09:24] <asac> ok
[09:25] <asac> can you send me a screenshot of menu?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> iceape == mozilla-suite?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:25] <asac>  iceape - seamonkey - new mozilla
[09:25] <gnomefreak> printscreen doesnt work :(
[09:26] <asac> actually i like the icedove logo on startscreen more than thunderbirds :)
[09:26] <asac> alt print ?
[09:26] <asac> should do
[09:26] <gnomefreak> cant do it when menu is open
[09:26] <asac> ah
[09:26] <gnomefreak> same as kde in ubuntu
[09:26] <asac> damn ;)
[09:26] <gnomefreak> i got one of my panel :) same icon
[09:27] <asac> hmm
[09:27] <asac> i hate it
[09:27] <asac> the gnome applet for screenshot
[09:27] <asac> does not allow timer till shot
[09:27] <asac> always have to install loads of kde dependencies
[09:27] <asac> because i use ksnapshot
[09:28] <asac> but i think there should be an X only tool as well
[09:28] <gnomefreak> where is there a place to upload files?
[09:28] <asac> dunno
[09:28] <asac> wait
[09:29] <asac> http://imageshack.us/
[09:29] <gnomefreak> http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotnk9.png
[09:31] <asac> nice ... so iceweasel is blue
[09:31] <asac> good
[09:31] <asac> icedove is green
[09:31] <asac> and i guess iceape red?
[09:32] <asac> icedove green/blue
[09:32] <gnomefreak> not sure yet
[09:33] <asac> ah
[09:33] <asac> can you please look if about dialog is still broken
[09:33] <asac> oh
[09:33] <asac> i think not
[09:33] <asac> ok
[09:33] <gnomefreak> in what?
[09:38] <asac> icedove
[09:38] <asac> about -> credits
[09:39] <asac> but was never broken
[09:39] <asac> for en-US
[09:39] <asac> only for other locales
[09:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:39] <gnomefreak> its installing as we speak :)
[09:40] <asac> ok
[09:40] <asac> i really need to get final things done
[09:40] <asac> for feisty
[09:40] <gnomefreak> go for it
[09:40] <asac> no
[09:40] <gnomefreak> sleep?
[09:40] <asac> what do you think is important?
[09:40] <asac> maybe there are issues I did not see?
[09:40] <asac> in bts
[09:41] <gnomefreak> the gtk_style (i would make #1 if you can
[09:41] <asac> yes ... not for crashes :)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> and anyother patches you have laying around that have been or can be acked by mozilla by tomorrow
[09:41] <gnomefreak> i think main freeze is tomorrow (thursday)
[09:41] <asac> yepp
[09:42] <gnomefreak> sorry thursday its only tuesday :(
[09:42] <asac> we get new thai support ... for that a good bunch of packages will be added
[09:42] <asac> updated
[09:42] <gnomefreak> good
[09:42] <asac> hmmm
[09:42] <gnomefreak> but thats all i can think of that is urgent really. that makes up most of crashes
[09:42] <asac> probably the bug about adding "Report a Bug ... " menu entry
[09:42] <asac> ?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> asac: if you can i would say ok. but will mozilla go for it?
[09:43] <asac> yes ... if its not-intrusive
[09:43] <gnomefreak> or is that firefox-gnome-support
[09:43] <asac> i will have to look
[09:43] <asac> no firefox
[09:43] <gnomefreak> k
[09:43] <asac> hmm
[09:43] <asac> o
[09:43] <asac> r
[09:43] <asac> ?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> report bug (where?)
[09:43] <asac> will think
[09:44] <gnomefreak> mozilla's tracker or LP?
[09:44] <asac> don't know ... i think there is a thing like apport-report bug
[09:44] <asac> launchpad
[09:44] <asac> it submits info about application, like package version depends and stuff like that
[09:44] <asac> so pretty useful
[09:44] <gnomefreak> in your gnome menu there is report a bug
[09:44] <gnomefreak> that is ran by apport iirc
[09:44] <asac> where?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> under system
[09:45] <gnomefreak> in feisty
[09:45] <asac> don't have that :)
[09:45] <asac> ah
[09:45] <asac> edgy of course
[09:45] <asac> ok
[09:45] <gnomefreak> i do
[09:45] <asac> yes will find out
[09:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:46] <gnomefreak> at this point i would trample through the wishlists to see if you can get anything in quickly but i think most of them are a bit more work
[09:46] <gnomefreak> security fixes can be done after release
[09:46] <gnomefreak> after beta release at least
[09:47] <gnomefreak> except for that damn filepicker
[09:47] <asac> yeah
[09:47] <asac> the crash you mean?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> yeah
[09:47] <asac> i hope that some are gone
[09:47] <asac> at least the totem patch fixes some
[09:47] <asac> i guess it only crashes now when the video html element is replaced by javascript
[09:48] <asac> e.g. in dhtml
[09:48] <asac> not if you go back or close tab
[09:48] <asac> before it would crash whenever you visit a totem site
[09:48] <asac> and leave somehow
[09:48] <asac> afterwards when you cause restyle ... crash
[09:48] <asac> so lets hope that a good bunch is fixed
[09:49] <asac> how many new one did we receive?
[09:49] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[09:49] <asac> lets say in the last 4 days
[09:49] <asac> for feisty only
[09:49] <gnomefreak> i saw a few not many new
[09:49] <gnomefreak> they were all there i beleive
[09:49] <asac> ok ... maybe late comers
[09:49] <asac> and some of course are real
[09:49] <asac> lets keep eyes open
[09:49] <asac> on this
[09:50] <asac> just to see if impact is less critical
[09:50] <asac> hmm ... i like them more :)
[09:50] <asac> icon maybe not
[09:50] <asac> but logo
[09:51] <asac> the one in about on startpage and credits
[09:52] <gnomefreak> in help its nice
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i dont see a start page
[09:52] <asac> hmm
[09:53] <asac> View -> Go -> Start Page
[09:53] <asac> or startup icedove ... there is a watermarked logo where normally message preview is
[09:55] <gnomefreak> i dont have a splash startup screen for icedove
[09:56] <gnomefreak> not even the startup notifier
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ubuntu == 2.6.20 in feisty right?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrrr
[10:17] <gnomefreak> ubuntu's and debians xorg.conf are not the same
[10:29] <asac> hey back :)
[10:30] <gnomefreak> not good
[10:31] <asac> what?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i lost debians default Xorg set up and now im in ubuntu mounted on debian trying to figure out what is wrong with xorg.conf
[10:31] <asac> have you run module-assistant?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> no:(
[10:31] <asac> are you on console?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i will be once in debian
[10:31] <asac> try # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:31] <asac> ah ok
[10:32] <asac> mount debian
[10:32] <gnomefreak> ok brb boot into debian
[10:32] <asac> no
[10:32] <asac> you should be able to do it
[10:32] <gnomefreak> its mounted but im scared the commands wont work in there
[10:32] <asac> is debian installed in a single partition?
[10:32] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:/media/debian/etc/X11$
[10:32] <asac> yeah
[10:32] <asac> just
[10:32] <asac> try
[10:32] <asac> chroot /media/debian
[10:32] <asac> sudo chroot /media/debian
[10:32] <asac> then run
[10:33] <asac> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:33] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~$ sudo chroot /media/debian
[10:33] <gnomefreak> root@FeistyFawn:/#
[10:33] <asac> my telco really sucks
[10:33] <gnomefreak> or should i have stayed in /media/debian?
[10:33] <asac> telephone is again dead
[10:33] <asac> what a crap is that
[10:34] <asac> provide high speed dsl
[10:34] <asac> but telephone sinks any day
[10:35] <gnomefreak>  No X server known for your video hardware                                 
[10:35] <gnomefreak>                                                                             
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   There is either no video hardware installed on this machine (e.g. serial  
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   console only), or the "discover" program was unable to determine which X  
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   server is appropriate for the video hardware.  This could be due to       
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   incomplete information in discover's hardware database, or because your   
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   video hardware is not supported by the available X servers.
[10:35] <asac> tele
[10:36] <gnomefreak> im gonna boot to debian and try it
[10:36] <asac> irssi can run on cmd line
[10:37] <gnomefreak> it can but cant enter another tty
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ctrl+alt+F# nor alt+F# nor ctrl+F# work
[10:38] <asac> alt+f1
[10:38] <asac> alt+f2
[10:38] <asac> etc
[10:38] <gnomefreak> will try again but it gave me weird warnings. ill brb
[10:42] <gnomefreak> im in under nv and running module-assistant :)
[10:43] <asac> and install nvidia-glx
[10:43] <asac> after installing kernel module
[10:44] <gnomefreak> k
[10:46] <gnomefreak> is module-assistant going to install kernel module?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> so far its been kernel-headers and build-essential and stuff
[10:49] <gnomefreak> Version 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 it looks like is installed now
[10:50] <gnomefreak> is it safe to try nvidia driver instead of nv now?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> ok think it worked ty
[10:53] <gnomefreak> brb
[10:54] <asac> does glxgears work?
[10:54] <asac> direct rendering in
[10:54] <asac> glxinfo?
[10:54] <asac> fine
[10:57] <gnomefreak> bash: glxinfo: command not found
[10:58] <gnomefreak> glxgears same output
[10:58] <asac> hmm
[10:58] <gnomefreak> techboard meeting
[10:58] <asac> search and install (TM)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> im thinking you need to be there :)
[10:58] <asac> no :)
[10:59] <asac> i have been decorated in the meantime :)
[10:59] <gnomefreak> you got your devel?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:00] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[11:01] <gnomefreak> searched glxinfo and got mesa-utils
[11:01] <gnomefreak> direct rendering: Yes
[11:01] <gnomefreak> that package is the one :)
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i thought debian had nvidia 9xxx
[11:06] <gnomefreak> for a usplash do i need linux-patch-bootsplash?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try usplash
[11:15] <gnomefreak> hmm
[11:20] <asac> don't know about bootsplash
[11:20] <asac> don't care for such things ;)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i want something pretty ;)