[04:08] gnomefreak: ping [04:10] gnomefreak: can you guide me through a stack trace? I've never done one before [04:11] if feisty ask hjmf if edgy tomorrow would be better its late nad im trying to sleep but assholes pinging #ubuntu woke me up. [04:11] :( [05:08] bugzilla #17192 [05:09] hmm, how does that work? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [05:43] finally cleared all those bugs in my inbox [05:43] the good old fashioned way...triaging [12:13] hi all === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:02] i hate laptops still [02:39] ok im going downstairs for coffee and work on Laptop trying to get win installed on it. ill be back later. [03:54] @schedule [03:54] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00: MOTU Council [03:54] gnomefreak: ouch ... poor windows maid [03:55] :) [03:55] i cant run ubuntu on it its only 64mb ram [03:56] a p2 300mhz :( [03:57] when i get home i have memoory i can add and a hd i can add once i figure out how to open it to repplace them [03:57] gnomefreak: try debian :) [03:58] or xubuntu [03:58] xubuntu (maybe dappers) [03:58] debian you need 128 no? [03:58] don't think so ... depends on the window manager you choose [03:58] does current xubuntu complain? [03:59] but afaik xubuntu uses xfce which might be too heavy weight for your case [03:59] i would try openbox [03:59] or fluxbox [03:59] those are really great for low mem [03:59] and of course don't run firefox :) [03:59] but kazehakase [04:00] which is the best I found so far [04:00] dunno if its in ubuntu [04:00] kazehakase uses gecko rendering and gtk2 widgets ... but its pretty memory efficient [04:00] i love kazehakase :) [04:00] is it in ubuntu? [04:00] i have it on this set up :) [04:00] i used it pretty much too :) [04:00] yep its in repos === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [04:00] hi Mirv [04:01] :) [04:01] hello asac [04:01] did you happen to find that e-mail? === asac looking [04:01] whats your email? [04:01] timo.jyrinki@iki.fi [04:01] asac: does this look familar to you. nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink [04:02] gnomefreak: not at all ... i saw the traces but have no idea what this might be about [04:02] maybe complete memory trashing or something [04:02] Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:54:59 +0200 [04:02] ok ill look at my log to see if im missing something important [04:03] Mirv: ok found it [04:03] wait a second [04:03] asac: ok :) [04:03] well ill upload it to bug and let you decide it still complains about missing libflash.so but i have it in the path they give :( [04:04] Mirv: just replace current entries? [04:05] whats the difference (in meaning) of 'Firefox-selain' and 'Firefox-webselain' [04:05] ? [04:05] looks like firefox-selain is firefox-surfer ... while firefox-webselain means firefox-websurfer [04:05] asac: yeah. the "selain" is just browser, "webselain" is a web browser but "web" is Finnish is a bit of a slang term, and we thought that just "selain" is enough [04:06] so is there an established word for browser called selain? [04:06] and "Firefox-WWW-selain" would look not so good either, which would be an option [04:06] asac: yes [04:06] in german we just use browser [04:07] Mirv: ok ... if you coordinated this with other finish translators, then i am fine. [04:08] asac: yeah, it's been agreed by enough people (I'm the team contact for Ubuntu Finnish translators, and also hanging out with other Finnish l10n people) [04:09] asac: actually, if you _are_ somehow affiliated with iceweasel in Debian, you could make the same change there, too. otherwise same, just s/Firefox/Iceweasel/. [04:10] ok ... i am not iceweasel maintainer ... though i talk to them from time to time. Maybe just send a mail to pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org if you don't want to open a bug for this [04:10] asac: ah, ok. I will handle Debian myself, then. [04:10] (at some point) [04:10] it's not a big deal, but it looks more appropriate this way [04:10] is it "finish translation" or "finnish translation" ? [04:11] guess the latter ;) [04:11] unless you always finish ;) [04:13] yes, Finnish :) [04:14] Mirv: ok ... checked into my archive ...should be there on next update ;) [04:14] thanks for pinging me [04:14] asac: cool, thanks for this. I will check it when it comes out, too. [04:15] maybe pretty soon ... otherwise it might take a week or two [04:17] feisty is starting to look superb for the Finnish people, that's why I'm tweaking little things here and there, too. it's the first time the high quality spellchecking, voikko libraries, are integrated in language-support-fi, an quite important aspect for many [04:18] (http://voikko.sourceforge.net/ , if sf would work) === asac hopes that german spellchecker will be usable with hunspell now too === Mirv hopes that Gnome would move to libenchant from aspell/myspell/ispell/hunspell [04:23] can libenchant deal with german language? [04:23] dunno how german language is classified [04:23] its somehow that you can combine words as much as you like ... so you cannot have a complete dictionary [04:24] Mirv: if you have icedove/thunderbird improvements [04:24] sure, http://www.abisource.com/projects/enchant/ , it has support for eg. aspell, hunspell, hspell and voikko [04:24] push them eraly [04:24] early :) [04:24] ah ... its a just a new frontend [04:24] that would be fine [04:25] howver ... is it available on win too? ... its because firefox still uses myspell ... and another layer of abstraction could help imo. [04:25] yes, Finnish can't be handled with even hunspell :( there's now a possibility to directly use libvoikko, or via the libenchant plugin, or via a ispell-wrapper, but currently aspell/myspell/hunspell don't provide the high quality spellchecking for Finnish [04:25] actually i don't know about the quality of hunspell for german [04:26] i just hope that its _better_ [04:26] not perfect [04:26] but interesting to hear [04:26] it would look like there is a win32 support, "has internationalization and win32 fixes" [04:26] as debian hunspell maintainer never told us that even hunspell has problems [04:26] and yeah, it would be really cool for mozilla to move from myspell forwards to enchant, as well [04:26] yeah ... upstream has still not migrated to hunspell ... but people often push them to use it [04:27] there's some extension to add voikko support to mozilla, but it's a bit of a hack because of the current mozilla's spellchecking support and probably can't be packaged to debian/ubuntu [04:27] probably right [04:27] yeah, people always assume that eg. hunspell is perfect, if it works for more languages.. but they always forget the 100 languages it still doesn't cover :) [04:27] however ... mozilla ships everthing on its own ... so if we (mozilla) use libenchat [04:27] would it be necessary to ship another backend as well (e.g. hunspell) ? [04:28] e.g. so that firefox can work out of the box without system lib requirements [04:29] hmm, that's right... ie. it needs the hunspell backend [04:29] for libenchant, to cover those languages supported by hunspell [04:29] hmm [04:29] of course, it might be that even just hunspell support in mozilla would help to make at least working extensions without hacks, but I dunno [04:30] maybe add libenchant to mozilla source ... and then add multiple backends too [04:30] e.g. myspell, hunspell, ispell [04:30] and just use one of those by default [04:30] benefit would be that the code that hooks spellchecker into firefox would not need to be touched [04:31] anyway ... thanks for the inside ... I will chew abit on this [04:31] s/inside/insight/ [04:31] yep. enchant has 8 backends, covering in addition to Finnish (Voikko) eg. Turkish (Zemberek), Hebrew (Hspell) and some others not coverd by hunspell [04:31] gnomefreak: i posted a list of gnome integration bugs in bugzilla ... and asked reporter of gconf bug to go through it before submitting a new bug upstrewam [04:31] asac: when you get time can you look at the stacks on bug 71315 i have seen these before [04:32] Malone bug 71315 in firefox "Crash with totem when opening an MPG link" [High,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71315 [04:32] gnomefreak: maybe take a look ... so you know that such a master bug exists there [04:32] (e.g. gnome integration master bug) [04:32] yeah, good to let knowledge spread, at least that hunspell is not the final answer to spellchecking, either [04:32] asac: ah ok [04:32] i have seen this bug title before :) [04:32] bugzilla == gnomes bugzilla? [04:32] can you search for just "MPG link" and see how much duplicates it yields [04:32] no [04:32] bugzilla = bugzilla.mozilla.org [04:33] ah ok [04:33] the one and only original one :) [04:33] :) [04:33] at least in context of firefox packaging this is reasonable :) [04:33] i looked already thats why i posted what i did [04:33] mpg i dont remember seeing but will look. [04:33] yeah ... maybe its hidden in one of the gnome bugs [04:34] sometimes title in bugzilla are a mess ... maybe its named proper gconf integration please [04:34] and then in content there is: [04:34] preferred application [04:34] proxy setting :) [04:34] etc. [04:34] bug lets let do the reporter the job of looking [04:34] gnomefreak: which trace? [04:34] i tried all kinds of searches the one i posted was the only thing that gave me anything to go on [04:34] there are at least two [04:35] the first one [04:35] the second one is garbage :( [04:35] yeah ... totem bug ... however don't know if its the same [04:35] actually the gtk_style_realize is still reproducible [04:35] but not in original context anymore [04:36] imo totem plugin code should be completely rewritten [04:36] they tried to reinvent the wheel instead of using existing plugin templates and best-practices [04:36] otherwise it will hunt us down forever imo [04:37] mpg only gives that bug [04:37] ok ... then i visitted it before :) [04:37] gnomefreak: use [@_destroystream] [@NP_Initialize] [04:38] yeah i was thinking totem bug but didnt see anything that lead me to say that [04:38] set master? [04:38] hmmm [04:38] yes [04:38] k [04:38] what is it on? [04:38] egy? [04:38] edgy? [04:39] yes [04:39] mt-need???? [04:39] mt-confirm [04:39] k [04:39] if its master [04:39] move it to mt-upstream ... "Confirmed [04:39] " [04:40] maybe see if its an upstream issue (e.g. totem -> gnomezilla ) [04:40] we need an upstream first [04:40] yes [04:40] but upstream triage is done in state confirmed [04:40] yes [04:40] so State: "Confirmed" Tag: "mt-upstream" [04:41] if we find nothing we might need to go back to mt-needtestcase [04:41] but that is future talk :) [04:41] i am almost certain that this is totem proble,m [04:42] ok registering for gnomes bug tracker now [04:44] yeah ... good :) [04:44] extend the net [04:45] i already have 2 points of gnome karma :) [04:45] was as easy as: open a bug, attach a patch [04:45] :) [04:45] more activity gnome bugzilla hasn't seen from me [04:45] lol [04:45] but those heavy weight devels only have 25 points [04:45] guess that is max [04:45] so I am already at ~ 10% :) [04:48] damn ... i still cannot turn off spamassassin autolearn [04:48] it just doesn't work [04:48] whatever i do ... all mails get autolearn=spam/ham/no [04:50] can i search for something other than totem :( [04:50] i tried [@_destroystream] [@NP_Initialize] also :( [04:50] hmm [04:51] probably we should wait till we get at least one more duplicate before do upstream triage? [04:51] who knows what this was caused by [04:51] not sure but i found a gconf-editor bug [04:51] in relation to totem [04:53] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333232 [04:53] Gnome bug 333232 in GStreamer backend "Play issue with embedded MOV files" [Normal,New] [04:53] what do you think? [04:57] hmm [04:57] not the one i guess [04:58] let me think [04:58] when did the bug pop up? [04:58] how long ago? === gnomefreak dont remember i will check in a fewq [04:59] 2006-11-10 23:38:33 EST [05:01] if we don't see any dupe than probably it was due to some crazy situation :) [05:02] true [05:02] lets keep it and once we get duplicate go ahead [05:02] im looking for dupes atm for anything i can find [05:02] are all crashes retraced? [05:03] no most of mine are as far as i can get but alot are 64bit or feisty and i havent worked out feistys breakage yet [05:03] ok [05:03] will take care of x86_64 later today [05:03] asac: we have over 2000+ bugs i imagine not all are done by a long shot [05:03] and PPC [05:03] 2000+ ? [05:03] i see 700+ (excluding dupes) [05:03] asac: if you click on all bugs ever reported [05:03] at least for firefox [05:03] ah [05:03] :) [05:04] 518 results is the search im working on [05:04] i hope i can help bug triaging soon ... to get bug count down [05:05] for now i get to get everything in shape [05:05] beta is soon [05:05] and I am working in a hurry :) [05:06] i think your time is better spent that way to be honest. [05:06] https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/84716 what are we doing with this? [05:06] Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info] [05:06] sure :) [05:06] is it a dupe? [05:06] i dont think so [05:07] i tried to reproduce bug orca didn't work [05:07] what does the trace show? [05:07] nothing to trace [05:07] just screenshots [05:09] close it ... "if ever see crash, open a new bug with crash report attached. Thanks" :) [05:09] close it? [05:09] dolphinboy appears to be somehow wierd [05:09] yes ... what should we do ... maybe try if you can reproduce crash [05:09] i couldn't get orca [05:09] ok [05:09] lets move this to AlexLatchford [05:09] he is the accessibility man afaik :) [05:10] ok ill assign him [05:10] maybe he can reproduce? or ask accessibility team to do so [05:13] ok assigned to him === asac wants kazeahakse [05:15] damn kazehakase still depends on mozilla-browser in edgy [05:15] thats bad news [05:15] why is mozilla still in universe? [05:16] not sure [05:16] since kaxehakase is mozilla (atleast its gecko im sure it would fit under our packages) cant we change that easily ;) [05:17] yeah [05:17] and change the name to somethign easier to type ;) [05:17] but mozilla is outdated [05:17] in feisty it already depends on libxul [05:17] which is good [05:17] we will hopefull end up with even firefox making use of libxul in feisty+1 [05:17] that should be easy enough to roll out [05:18] yeah ... but not for edgy [05:18] mozilla-browser version in edgy/universe is 1.7.13 something [05:18] we dont need mozilla(suite) for anything to be honest. I think its there just as a place holder until we change it [05:18] which has loads of security issues [05:18] no... it is actually used by kazehakase :) [05:19] but has been removed from feisty afaik [05:19] can we merge 1.8 into edgy? [05:19] 1.8 does not exist [05:19] its now seamonkey [05:19] ah [05:19] no we won't do anything about that in edgy i guess [05:19] but seamonkey uses gecko 1.8.3 no? [05:19] or 1.8.1/.2 [05:19] seamonkey 1.0.x uses gecko 1.8.0.x [05:20] seamonkey 1.1.x uses geck 1.8.x [05:20] e.g. 1.8.1.x [05:20] and mozilla uses gecko 1.7* [05:20] firefox 2.0.0.x = 1.8.x (1.8.1.x) [05:20] ah [05:20] firefox 1.5.0.x = 1.8.0.x [05:20] :) [05:20] confusing enough :) [05:20] it is [05:20] actually firefox 1.5 series comes from mozilla 1.8.0 branch [05:21] while firefox 2 from 1.8 branch [05:21] we cant replace edgys mozilla with seamonkey so they are gonna have to deal with it. [05:21] i think noone can deal with that in edgy ... maybe they sync with debian sarge (if they are smart) [05:21] i did backports for mozilla to debian sarge [05:21] our packages like ff and tb are not backportable by ubuntu standards [05:21] but I don't think they do [05:22] not easily [05:22] im assuming that goes for mozilla-browser/suite and everything else mozilla related [05:23] doesnt make alot of sense sometimes to me though since tb is the only thing that depends on libc6-* [05:23] its not easily backportable for security fixes yes [05:23] fx doesnt list anything really version spiecific [05:23] yeah [05:23] the point with firefox is [05:23] other applications depend on it [05:24] so we cannot push in new upstream major version [05:24] as those apps will break [05:24] ah thats right including ubuntu-desktop [05:24] e.g. epiphany kazehakase [05:24] etc. [05:24] yelp and so one [05:24] same goes for edgy [05:24] on [05:24] if you exchange a gecko 1.7 with geck 1.8 [05:24] ok i remember that now [05:24] kazehakase will probably not even start [05:24] thats why its hard to fix this in edgy now [05:24] it wont ive played with that before [05:25] because it would require at least a respin of kazehakase [05:25] easy enough to fix just time consuming ;) [05:25] probably you want to do the migration? [05:25] :) [05:25] we would have to respin all depends [05:25] not really ;) [05:25] ... yes ... and then they might break [05:25] either not build [05:25] i cant merge yet [05:25] or crash because something changed [05:26] true [05:26] its pretty much work to do it [05:26] i think pitti and iwj did it for breezy/dapper [05:26] they migrated epiphany from mozilla-browser 1.7.13 to firefox [05:26] 1.5.0 [05:26] which was a pretty hard task [05:26] true [05:26] in fact they eded up doing the migration for breezy [05:27] so breezy has still 1.7 mozilla ... which is for a yeah now maintained (in regards of security) only by me [05:27] ok ... out for a cigarette [05:29] ok [05:29] ill be here trying to fix this pos === gnomefreak wonders if grub update might fix this === trainer [n=dave@65-117-135-105.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [05:34] trainer: ok when its on pastebin let me know === craigbass1976 [n=craig@pool-72-73-91-138.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [05:34] gnomefreak: http://pastebin.us/17176 === craigbass1976 [n=craig@pool-72-73-91-138.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam ["Leaving"] [05:35] trainer: where did you get your version of firefox and -dom? [05:35] you mean which repository? [05:35] trainer: yes [05:35] ok 1 sec [05:35] trainer: what version of ubuntu? [05:36] edgy [05:37] trainer: do an aptitude dist-upgrade first [05:37] or apt-get dist-upgrade [05:37] ah [05:37] trainer: you miss the universe repository [05:37] asac: you should be at store :) [05:37] gnomefreak: yeah :) [05:37] wrote a mail [05:38] but ty it gives me a chance to fgure out grub :( [05:38] look in your /etc/apt/sources.list [05:38] and add universe to the -updates lines [05:38] trainer: ^^^ [05:38] wait my sources.list has all the dapper repos [05:38] no [05:38] at least i don't think so [05:38] or? [05:38] trainer: your using dapper thats why i asked [05:38] hmm [05:39] sorry [05:39] 1.5 wasnt in edgy as final [05:39] can you paste sources.list? [05:39] http://pastebin.us/17177 [05:39] asac: how do i use ubuntus grub instead of suses :( [05:39] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted [05:40] maybe add universe to that [05:40] hmm [05:40] grub-install [05:40] you have to call [05:40] that will overwrite the bootsector [05:40] gnomefreak: ^^^ [05:40] asac: still wouldnt beable to fix the depends on 2.0? [05:40] its a depends from what was initially in edgy [05:40] grub-install hda0? [05:40] or just grub-install [05:40] the other version is the 1.5.0.x security update [05:40] dunno :) [05:41] man grub-install [05:41] k [05:41] i guess if everything is setup properly [05:41] just grup-install should do [05:41] but take care [05:41] your bootloader might be broken afterwards [05:41] at least keep an ubuntu cd at hands [05:42] not very helpful man page :( [05:42] so add this line? deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe [05:42] no [05:42] append universe to existing [05:42] line [05:42] ahhhhh [05:42] e.g. deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted [05:43] -> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe [05:43] anyway ... don't know [05:43] asac: he has edgy beryl repos so he might have a messed up libc6 [05:43] if there is security support for universe ... gnomefreak ??? [05:43] or gnome libs [05:43] asac: should be [05:43] i have all for security repos [05:44] no don't thinkn so [05:44]