[12:24] <looping_> going to bed
[12:24] <looping_> bye all
[12:25] <neozen> O.o
[12:25] <neozen> thankee ormiret
[12:26] <ormiret> happy to help.
[12:27] <neozen> so what's auth.log.0?
[12:28] <neozen> root's log?
[12:28] <ormiret> an older version of auth.log, there may even be compressed even older versions with higher numbers
[12:29] <neozen> yes... there are
[12:29] <neozen> how much is usually stored in a log?
[12:29] <neozen> *what period of time
[12:29] <ormiret> not sure, it's probably in the config for logd
[12:29] <cycro> hello
[12:30] <spasticteapot> Is Xubuntu Feisty based on XFCE4.4?
[12:30] <neozen> yes
[12:30] <neozen> the stable one
[12:30] <neozen> whee!!!!
[12:31] <neozen> allo vidd
[12:31] <neozen> no news yet mon
[12:31] <neozen> sorry
[12:31] <neozen> no one in my group is using that card
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> neozen, im using ndiswrapper =[
[12:32] <neozen> ok
[12:32] <neozen> that might be the only way
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> no...not ok...darn
[12:32] <neozen> that works consistently
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> if you call having to switch to dhcp and back to static every time i boot "works consistantly"....
[12:34] <neozen> lol
[12:34] <neozen> put it in a script
[12:34] <vidd_laptop> i will really have to look into the cost/benifit of replacing this wifi card with a linux freindly one
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> i think im going to format and install dapper...get the bcm working, then dist-upgrade thru to fiesty
[12:36] <vidd_laptop> hopefully that will be the LAST time i need to re-install
[12:38] <neozen> yeah.... about that
[12:38] <ormiret> why dapper and not edgy?
[12:38] <vidd_laptop> if im lucky, the fwcutter in the dapper repo's have NOT been upgraded to the BROKEN ones like edgy
[12:38] <neozen> I don't think I'll even bother with a dist-upgrade
[12:38] <neozen> ....I'll just whack out root and install again
[12:38] <neozen> been meaning to separate my home anywya
[12:38] <neozen> *anyway
[12:40] <vidd_laptop> my bcm worked great the *fifth* install of dapper.....and worked the 9th with edgy.....
[12:40] <vidd_laptop> but i KNOW how to do it this time.....
[12:40] <vidd_laptop> as long as the program is OLD enough in the repo's....it SHOULD install like a charm in dapper
[12:41] <vidd_laptop> is there any way to get an OLDER version that WAS in the repo's, or do they replace them when they update?
[12:42] <ormiret> what is fwcutter? (trying to think what the dependencies would be like to install an older version in edgy/feisty)
[12:42] <vidd_laptop> it is the firmware cutter tool needed to get the BCM43xx wifi cards to work
[12:42] <ormiret> you can pull older versions from packages.ubuntu.com if they aren't in the repos for the release you're using.
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> I think it is in multi- or univerce
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> its not a base package
[12:44] <vidd_laptop> =]  otherwise, id just get it off the cd!
[12:44] <ormiret> you might have to take the source package and build it yourself, but you should be able to use an older version
[12:44] <ice_world> why do i still have a folder named oem in /home ?
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> lol
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, cuzz you didnt delete it?
[12:46] <ice_world> i haveto do that manually?
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> acually....i dont know why its still there
[12:46] <ormiret> looks like you should be able to get away with the binary package, the dependencies are fairly straight foward.
[12:46] <ice_world> thought it went away after i did that command to prepare for the "Users" first boot
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> maybe it has an awesome recovery tool in it
[12:47] <vidd_laptop> what's in it?
[12:47] <ice_world> its empty :p
[12:48] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[12:48] <cellofellow> *wave* all.
[12:53] <g333k_work> hi, where are the autostart apps in xfce?
[12:53] <cellofellow> a script edited with Applications > Settings > Autostarted Applications
[12:54] <ice_world> anyone know a good guide on how to setup an ftp server? im going mad over here
[12:54] <g333k_work> cellofellow, can I do it by a conf file?
[12:54] <cellofellow> maybe
[12:54] <g333k_work> cellofellow, what file is it?
[12:54] <cellofellow> it'd be in ~/.config/xfce4 somewhere
[12:57] <cellofellow> ice_world: sorry, no ideas on FTP.
[01:00] <neozen> question guys
[01:00] <cellofellow> !ask
[01:00] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:01] <neozen> lol
[01:01] <neozen> point taken
[01:01] <neozen> I need a way to access the web front end of a linksys router from the terminal
[01:01] <neozen> lynx says their front end has bad html
[01:01] <cellofellow> links2 will work
[01:01] <neozen> it'll display the submit button?
[01:02] <cellofellow> links2 will even do graphics in x (xlinks2) or the console framebuffer (links2 -g)
[01:02] <cellofellow> yeah, works pretty well
[01:03] <R[a] ndom> I just tried
[01:03] <R[a] ndom> links2 -g did a good job of messing up my console
[01:03] <cellofellow> you have the kernel framebuffer all set up?
[01:04] <R[a] ndom> if ubuntu doesnt do it by default, nope.
[01:04] <cellofellow> add vga=792 to the boot params in /boot/grub/menu.lst to get is set.
[01:04] <cellofellow> it doesn't, unfortunately.
[01:04] <cellofellow> reset should fix your console.
[01:05] <R[a] ndom> just added a -mode and it works fine
[01:05] <R[a] ndom> 'cept mouse doesnt work
[01:06] <cellofellow> you need gpm running for mouse
[01:07] <neozen> cello: I'll be using this on a server
[01:08] <neozen> ..I access it only through ssh
[01:08] <neozen> links2 will work properly in this situation?
[01:08] <neozen> ie... text mode through a terminal
[01:08] <neozen> ?
[01:08] <R[a] ndom> yeah, dont worry about the graphics
[01:09] <R[a] ndom> and itll work no prob
[01:10] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, ftp server how-to http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#FTP_Server
[01:11] <neozen> ok... thankee random
[01:12] <neozen> how do I tell it to only run in text mode
[01:12] <neozen> ie.... don't load up X
[01:12] <R[a] ndom> links2
[01:12] <R[a] ndom> no -g
[01:13] <neozen> ARG
[01:13] <neozen> still isn't displaying the submit
[01:14] <neozen> router version 4.71.1
[01:14] <neozen> ...but..... good news is... looks like I can still submit
[01:14] <neozen> lol
[01:14] <neozen> thanks guys
[01:17] <neozen> incidently.. just tried it out with elinks as well
[01:17] <neozen> and that works
[01:18] <neozen> and has fewer dependancies
[01:18] <neozen> ..thanks much all
[01:26] <BFTD> hey all
[01:28] <vidd_laptop> what up BFTD
[01:28] <BFTD> hey
[01:30] <vidd_laptop> did you need help with someting?
[01:35] <BFTD>  Idid
[01:35] <BFTD> but its fixed now
[01:35] <vidd_laptop> damn! are we good or what....we can help telepathicly!
[01:35] <Eagle_101> lol :D
[01:36] <BFTD> !language
[01:36] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:36] <Eagle_101> what other tricks that bot have?
[01:36] <Eagle_101> !help
[01:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:49] <ice_world> why does the clock say 00:49 when i edit it to be 01:49
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, what DATE do you have it at?
[01:51] <ostbagarn> 13/03/07
[01:52] <ostbagarn> <--- ice_world from the xbuntu box
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> its the daylight savings time thing
[01:53] <ostbagarn> thats today? :O
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> it was earlier
[01:53] <ostbagarn> earlier?
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> try setting it to 0249
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> sunday morning
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> wait...that wouldnt be right
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> why dont you set it to auto-update date and time from one of the world servers?
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn / ice_world .... did you see my info for how to set up an FTP server?
[01:56] <ostbagarn> dont think so
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#FTP_Server
[01:56] <ostbagarn> and the syncronize thing is on
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> then check your time zone and you should be golden
[01:57] <ostbagarn> hehe ok
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> if your time zone is off then the auto-sync will set it off
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> and where are you that it is ten to 1?
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> england?
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> hey kalikiana
[02:00] <kalikiana> hi vidd, what's up? :)
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> nothing much....
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> just trying to help out
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, was the time zone off?
[02:04] <vidd_laptop> i hate when ppl dont tell you if your suggestions do or dont work =[
[02:04] <vidd_laptop> 0_-
[02:06] <ormiret> jut assume you've fixed all the problems in a person's life unless they tell you otherwise :)
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> i prefer that they TELL me i ^%$^&%'ed up thier system or made thier day....helps when i advise the NEXT guy
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> getting no acknowledgement instills fear your system blew up and you CANT respond!
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> so is your time thing fixed?
[02:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Don't be so impatient - he could just be paying for pizza delivery.
[02:11] <kalikiana> or he met the girl of his life in this very moment bringing him the pizza. ;)
[02:11] <neozen> anyone here use openwrt or ddwrt on their router?
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> lol PuMpErNiCkLe or he could be attacking his box with an axe!
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> neozen, what is that?
[02:12] <neozen> free firmwares for various SOHO routers/switches/access points
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i use a linksys router.... completely open source code
[02:17] <kalikiana> vidd, why do you get arrested for flashing?
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> wb tesuki_
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> think ppl...not hardware kalikiana
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> -_-
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> no comment?
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Sultanovich
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> hello atarinox
[02:21] <Sultanovich> what is wave?
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> a gesture of salutation using the hand and arm
[02:22] <kalikiana> !wave
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wave - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <kalikiana> Someone should teach him what you just said, vidd
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> lol kalikiana
[02:22] <vidd_laptop> about *wave* or flashing?
[02:23] <neozen> lol @ vid
[02:23] <atarinox> anybody know why i'd be experiencing some serious memory leaks with firefox on Ubuntu?
[02:23] <atarinox> any common causes
[02:24] <atarinox> or is it just firefox 2.0
[02:24] <kalikiana> a crash once per week is normal ;)
[02:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Firefox isn't the most memory-friendly program, but it can be made worse by plugins.
[02:24] <atarinox> hmm well i setup swiftfox through automatix
[02:24] <atarinox> maybe that has something to do with it
[02:24] <vidd_laptop> althow java locks up after about 18-20 hours
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, what part of pa you from?
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> nice to see another resident of this great state!
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> (commonwealth...whatever)
[02:26] <ice_world> pa, thats pensylvania?
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> yes
[02:26] <kalikiana> atarinox, so try the original firefox - but don't forget to tell us about it :)
[02:26] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: from state college
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> cool...im near Allentown
[02:26] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: originally lancaster
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> my gf is from there!
[02:27] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: cool, i've got some friends in the lehigh valley
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> that area anyway
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, awesome....ya got another! ;)
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, non-linux question.....are they REALLY com-castic? ...and is that a GOOD thing?
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> wb magic_ninja
[02:29] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: don't know who 'they' are
[02:30] <magic_ninja> sup vidd_laptop whats up
[02:30] <vidd_laptop> your cable provider
[02:30] <atarinox> haha oh
[02:30] <atarinox> is comcast a local provider?
[02:30] <vidd_laptop> they arent avalable here yet...but they are getting closer all the time
[02:30] <atarinox> ehh, it's alright
[02:30] <atarinox> we've had some issues
[02:31] <vidd_laptop> they provide YOUR internet IP
[02:31] <atarinox> ah yeah
[02:31] <vidd_laptop> ice_world, is your time working right now?
[02:32] <neozen> vidd: indeed
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, just like the evil phone company provides mine
[02:32] <neozen> and though they seem to be using DHCP... my address hasn't changed in.... oh... over a year
[02:33] <Sultanovich> thanks vidd_laptop, are you here?
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> yes
[02:33] <neozen> despite constant router reboots and modem power cycles
[02:33] <neozen> itsa cooooool
[02:33] <ostbagarn> vidd_laptop,  nope
[02:33] <ostbagarn> ill wait untill 03:00 tho
[02:33] <neozen> and ... they allow incoming ports
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, is your time zone set right?
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i wish The Evil Phone Company did
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> verizon should change its name to TEPC
[02:35] <ostbagarn> it is
[02:35] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: we didn't switch over to comcast internet til a few months ago
[02:35] <atarinox> Adelphia was bought out I believe
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> oh wonderful.....
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> perhaps i should say reginal.....we bought out so many others.....
[02:38] <atarinox> i would be willing to switch to dsl but comcast ends up being cheaper w/ the cable tv/internet packages
[02:38] <ostbagarn> dsl
[02:38] <ostbagarn> lawl
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> although the LAST buy-out is a nightmare.....
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> their equiptment goes down more often then a woman of ill repute at a policical convention!
[02:40] <neozen> lol
[02:40] <ostbagarn> sounds great
[02:40] <neozen> well, in the chicago area, comcast appears to be using all of at&t
[02:40] <neozen> 's old equipment
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, thats cuzz YOU dont work there
[02:41] <ostbagarn> hehe :
[02:41] <ostbagarn> P
[02:41] <cookie> hi everyone, I just installed xubuntu lastnight and could not have my sound working
[02:41] <cookie> anyone has any idea about this problem?
[02:41] <neozen> cookie: possibly
[02:41] <neozen> model of soundcard?
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> laptp with an external volume switch?
[02:42] <cookie> I am a newbie to xubuntu and linux os !
[02:42] <neozen> well... welcome
[02:42] <neozen> ...what model is your soundcard?
[02:42] <neozen> windows should've told you that
[02:42] <cookie> humm, I dont know it now
[02:42] <neozen> lol
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> run lspci and post the output in pastebin:
[02:42] <neozen> paste the output of lspci
[02:42] <cookie> should there be any pointer where I can download driver?
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> !paste | cookie
[02:43] <ubotu> cookie: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:43] <neozen> ......we need to know what model of sound card
[02:43] <neozen> we can locate the relavent driver and docs
[02:43] <neozen> *relevant
[02:43] <cookie> i see
[02:43] <cookie> thanks, I'll check that out and get back later.
[02:43] <neozen> .....................
[02:43] <neozen> ok
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> cookie .... wait
[02:44] <cookie> yes!
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> you need to run lspci....
[02:44] <cookie> ok
[02:44] <neozen> get to a terminal
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> and post the output
[02:44] <neozen> its in the applications menu
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> on the site shown to you by ubotu.....and put the url here
[02:45] <cookie> ok, understood.
[02:45] <cookie> thanks.
[02:45] <neozen> you're welcome
[02:45] <neozen> now run the command
[02:46] <ormiret> vidd_laptop, neozen: you two are managing quite a good double act :)
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> whew....for a sec i thought HE THOUGHT that link was the solution!
[02:47] <neozen> to copy just select the stuff in the terminal (there will be quite a bit) ... and to paste just whack the middle mouse button.... or, if you don't have a middle button, both mouse buttons at the same time
[02:47] <neozen> ok
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> too many cooks and all that
[02:48] <neozen> aye
[02:49] <neozen> ...so... he hasn't run it yet
[02:49] <neozen> .....I think we have a winner
[02:49] <neozen> either that..... or very, very busy
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> maybe he is having issues copying all the output
[02:50] <neozen> ....possibly
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> or he may be trying to use [ctrl] [c]  to copy
[02:51] <neozen> hmm... the default xubuntu terminal doesn't seem to have a select all option
[02:51] <neozen> well.... I did post how
[02:51] <neozen> perhaps he just hasn't checked
[02:51] <cookie> hi
[02:51] <neozen> hoallo
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> cookie, you having issues copying the out put?
[02:51] <cookie> I am back, guess you guys are talking about me
[02:51] <cookie> heheh
[02:52] <neozen> yeah
[02:52] <neozen> wondering how you're doing
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> we thought you dropped or something
[02:52] <cookie> sorry, I have not checked it out yet. I am at the office now
[02:52] <neozen> since you haven't posted the output yet
[02:52] <cookie> and my personal mashine is at home
[02:52] <neozen> aaaaaah
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> ah...work IS important
[02:52] <cookie> which I can do it after work today
[02:52] <neozen> ok
[02:52] <cookie> but you guys are reall nice.
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> so he;s taking notes.....
[02:52] <neozen> we try
[02:53] <cookie> I am in Japan now and it is mornig time which I have to work.
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> hmmmm...japan.....what time is it there now?
[02:53] <cookie> where are you guys now?
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> eastern USA
[02:53] <neozen> chicago, IL USA here
[02:54] <cookie> 10.54 AM
[02:54] <cookie> i see
[02:54] <vidd_laptop> and what time you get home to work on the pc?
[02:54] <cookie> I will be back in again after 10 hours, but may not meet you guys online
[02:54] <cookie> time difference.
[02:54] <neozen> meh
[02:54] <ostbagarn> sweden, europe here
[02:54] <neozen> there's always someone here
[02:55] <cookie> great, hope someone can help.
[02:55] <neozen> if you poke the channel enough... you'll get someone
[02:55] <neozen> in the off hours
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> yeah....10 hours from now.....be almost eight am here
[02:55] <neozen> lol
[02:55] <neozen> I'll be awake
[02:55] <cookie> cool
[02:55] <neozen> ..though I won't want to be
[02:55] <cookie> alright, talk later.
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> neozen, lol
[02:56] <cookie> gotta get back to work.
[02:56] <neozen> guess I'll have to set the laptop for auto-smack
[02:56] <neozen> I miss serial ports
[02:56] <ostbagarn> why?
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> neozen, really? why?
[02:56] <neozen> easier to make custom hardware for
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> your lappy dont have serial ports?
[02:57] <neozen> nope
[02:57] <neozen> ibm doesn't put them on their thinkpads anymore
[02:57] <ostbagarn> yea i suppose
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> i just looked....mine dont either!
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> =\
[02:57] <neozen> anyone have any luck with any of the cheap usb->serial adapters under linux?
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> wb neozen
[02:58] <neozen> brb... class just ended
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> kk
[02:58] <ostbagarn> hmm
[02:58] <atarinox> http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200610301621561280x1024kr1.png ........ is that a desklet in the upper left of that screenshot?
[02:58] <ostbagarn> its fact that ircing in school isnt good for your grades
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> must be nice to be able to chat online during the middle of class
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> indeed it is
[03:01] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: any idea which one?...i see a few diff desklet options in synaptic
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, looks like he's running beryl
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> beryl as a wm...not the desklet
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, looks like a weather one
[03:03] <atarinox> oh ok
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> and he has another running across the topof his desktop....
[03:03] <ostbagarn> is this channel stricly for xubuntu?
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> some kind of system monitor
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, not STRICKTLY
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, what question you have?
[03:04] <ostbagarn> nah its nothing important
[03:04] <ostbagarn> and its way off :p
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> is it linux related?
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> then it s NOT way off
[03:05] <ostbagarn> nope
[03:05] <ostbagarn> so ill just forget it
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> ask anyway....its not like anyone is asking for help ATM
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> hello paul__
[03:05] <ostbagarn> allready forgotten
[03:06] <ostbagarn> bye paul__
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, you better remember....you got me wondering now!
[03:07] <ostbagarn> hehe
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, you trying a few of those desklets?
[03:08] <ostbagarn> what about cpu graph or wather into in the panels!
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> so there is no need
[03:09] <atarinox> vidd_laptop: yeah i just got gdesklet off synaptic
[03:09] <atarinox> doesnt seem to be the same sort of app though
[03:09] <atarinox> this looks more like a widget
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> and the weather is unimportant......im inside now
[03:10] <ostbagarn> im just having it there cus its cool to have :p
[03:10] <vidd_laptop> atarinox, remember...he has beryl [or compiz]  running
[03:10] <ostbagarn> might be useful in the summer hto
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> i can already tell you what the weather is going to be like for the next 3 days.....CLIMATE CONTROLLED!!!
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:12] <ostbagarn> haha
[03:12] <ostbagarn> lawls
[03:12] <ostbagarn> some people do get outside when they go to work/school
[03:12] <ostbagarn> you dont?
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> im outside for 3 minutes [max.]  at a time
[03:13] <ostbagarn> getting the mail?
[03:13] <ostbagarn> or you just live close to work?
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> just long enough to brush snow off the car
[03:13] <ostbagarn> meh
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> i drive....
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> the car has climate controls
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> i work indoors...climate control
[03:14] <ostbagarn> it will make you cold blooded one day for sure
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> as the old lady when i steal all the blankets at night!
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> *ask
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> wb neozen
[03:15] <ormiret> neozen: re:USB->Serial things: I've used a few and had no problems, plug them in and a /dev/USBttyX appears.
[03:15] <neozen> nice
[03:16] <neozen> orm: could you recommend a manufacturer in particular?
[03:16] <ostbagarn> oh really
[03:16] <ostbagarn> what brand?
[03:16] <vidd_laptop> dont matter
[03:16] <ostbagarn> you lived where again?
[03:16] <neozen> me?
[03:16] <neozen> chicago
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> cheep, generic brands work just fine
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> pa
[03:17] <ostbagarn> pa is south of hawaii innit
[03:17] <neozen> LOL
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> ah...no
[03:17] <ostbagarn> hehe
[03:17] <ostbagarn> i actually knew that
[03:18] <ostbagarn> i dont know where in the us it is tho
[03:18] <ostbagarn> im guessing east side
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> about 80 miles west of New York City.....maybe 100
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> you targeting a nuke?
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> lol
[03:18] <ostbagarn> indeed
[03:19] <ostbagarn> its due any minute now
[03:19] <ostbagarn> id eat thoose cereals now if i were you, you might now get another chance
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> acually...THAT sort of humour is frowned upon in these parts
[03:19] <ostbagarn> frowned?
[03:19] <neozen> ormiret: can you recommend a particular manufacturer or chipset I should look out for?
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> frown.....=[
[03:20] <ormiret> neozen: no idea actually, I just found 4 in the parts cupboard and not one of them has a brand on it - I've yet to find one that doesn't work though.
[03:20] <ostbagarn> neozen, what kind of english is it they talk over there in pa?
[03:20] <neozen> lol
[03:20] <neozen> awesome
[03:21] <neozen> I want to plug in my decrepit palm
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, how should he know....he's like 600 miles west of me
[03:21] <neozen> which only has a serial cradle
[03:22] <neozen> ...not to mention... I've always wanted to make a piece of hw that holds a string with a rock on the end of it....
[03:22] <neozen> have it listen for a 1
[03:22] <neozen> and when it gets one... release the string
[03:23] <ostbagarn> well its not like you haveto live in an area to know that they talk funny
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> neozen, your nuts
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:23] <neozen> vidd_laptop.... all I want is a reliable alarm clock
[03:23] <ostbagarn> lol
[03:23] <neozen> elevated rocks have been used for alarms since the dawn of time
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> you must not have downstairs neighboors!
[03:24] <neozen> heh
[03:24] <neozen> no
[03:24] <neozen> no I don't
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, whats wrong with my english?
[03:25] <ostbagarn> you used "frown"
[03:25] <neozen> ormiret: thankee
[03:25] <ostbagarn> ill take it back if you explain it
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, "frowned upon" is an expresion that means that something is ill-mannered or in poor taste
[03:28] <ostbagarn> i see
[03:29] <ostbagarn> http://www.hotellasarenas.com/states/pennsylvania/pa_map.jpg
[03:29] <ostbagarn> star marks the spot
[03:30] <atarinox> does conky run that seti networking program automatically by default?...I just enabled the app and there're seti@home statistics there
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> ostbagarn, thats the state all right
[03:37] <ostbagarn> i see
[03:38] <vidd> now....what do i need to do to get this thing set up to remote in to it from another local machine?
[03:38] <ostbagarn> we should have some more unrelated talk
[03:38] <ostbagarn> wouldnt ssh work for that?
[03:38] <kalikiana> !ssh
[03:38] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:38] <vidd> probably
[03:38] <ostbagarn> or maybe it dosent to graphical?
[03:41] <vidd> kalikiana, so if i just install ssh-server on this machine, i can remote in to it from my laptop?
[03:42] <ostbagarn> how about an ssh client for the laptop
[03:42] <ostbagarn> anyway its bedtime
[03:42] <vidd> that would probably come in handy....
[03:42] <kalikiana> vidd, If you have a client, just like ostbagarn says, yes :)
[03:43] <vidd> so i need ssh-server on the desktop....
[03:43] <ormiret> if the laptop runs linux it probably already has an ssh client
[03:43] <vidd> what is a low-overhead client?
[03:43] <ormiret> imaginatively called ssh
[03:43] <ostbagarn> h
[03:43] <vidd> ormiret, cool....yes...all MY machines run linux....
[03:44] <ostbagarn> ow kind
[03:44] <vidd> on two machines left in the house that DONT
[03:44] <vidd> *only
[03:44] <ice_world> if its only, how many do you have? :O
[03:45] <vidd> 8
[03:45] <ice_world> lol
[03:45] <ice_world> how do you need 8?
[03:46] <ice_world> aye id say its frown to have that
[03:46] <vidd> kalikiana, the old lady refuses to abandon her virius magnet!
[03:46] <ice_world> meh
[03:47] <ice_world> who ruined my bsg :(
[03:47] <vidd> and the kid HAS to have his voice chat program that will ONLY work on wind bloze
[03:47] <ice_world> ventrilo?
[03:47] <kalikiana> what is a bsg?
[03:47] <vidd> ice_world, how you guess?
[03:47] <ice_world> battlestar galactica
[03:47] <kalikiana> oh :)
[03:47] <vidd> ice_world, you get it to work in linux?
[03:47] <ice_world> cus theres like 2 voice chat programs and ones only for win
[03:48] <vidd> lol
[03:48] <ice_world> nope
[03:48] <vidd> and it refuses to work right in wine
[03:48] <ice_world> well
[03:49] <ice_world> cant you setup a teampeak server for him so everyone he knows could switch to that?
[03:49] <ice_world> since that works for windows and linux
[03:49] <vidd> his friends just dumped team speak
[03:50] <kalikiana> Actually Teamspeak should be good, I know many guys who use it.
[03:50] <vidd> but these are teen agers
[03:50] <ice_world> lol
[03:50] <ice_world> they want something that north koreans arent allowed to use?
[03:50] <vidd> TRY getting them to see logic, reasoning, and understanding!
[03:51] <vidd> thewy just want to player-kill in a mmorpg
[03:51] <kalikiana> vidd, That's three swear words in one sentence, calm down. :P
[03:52] <vidd> lol
[03:52] <ice_world> hehe
[03:52] <ice_world> more like they wanna pvp in wow?
[03:52] <vidd> the kid is acually TO'd that his friends have dumped the linux friendly chat and went with the windows only
[03:53] <ice_world> TO'd ?
[03:53] <vidd> ice_world, runescape...not wow
[03:53] <vidd> Ticked Off
[03:53] <ice_world> hehe i see
[03:53] <vidd> wow is not linux friendly either
[03:53] <vidd> anyway....
[03:54] <vidd> he LIKES linux (now that he has a powerhouse machine)
[03:54] <ice_world> dosent it run quite nicely on linux?
[03:54] <vidd> its been running fiesty, and he has had no issues with it
[03:54] <ice_world> btw is ticked off comparable to pissed off?
[03:54] <vidd> we had to put a brick in the case....cuzz it almost FLIES
[03:55] <vidd> ice_world, yes...the "polite" version
[03:55] <ice_world> hehe isee
[03:56] <vidd> he had his site up and was logged in in less then half the time that the identical box running XP took
[03:56] <vidd> we rann them side-by-side....
[03:56] <vidd> the xp machine was built for a client
[03:58] <ice_world> older mac = weird vga plug?
[03:58] <vidd> It will be the first time i ever ran a mac
[03:58] <vidd> ice_world, weird EVERYTHING plugs
[03:58] <ice_world> mac seems to be sweet
[03:58] <ice_world> hehe true
[03:59] <vidd> looks that way....cant WAIT to slap xubuntu on it!
[03:59] <vidd> looks like ill get it up JUST in time for them to kill support for its architecture
[04:00] <ice_world> xubuntu on a mac?
[04:00] <ice_world> older mac*
[04:00] <ice_world> that isnt possible is it?
[04:01] <vidd> of course....what....ya think i'd put OS9 on it?
[04:01] <ice_world> didnt know linux had support for thoose ibm cpus
[04:01] <vidd> yeah
[04:02] <ormiret> linux has support for loads of far wierder CPUs
[04:02] <vidd> well...from what i understand
[04:02] <ice_world> does cyrix count as far weirder?
[04:02] <vidd> ppc arch i think
[04:02] <vidd> ^^^for the older mac
[04:02] <ormiret> I think cyrix are x86 compatible, or am I thinking of something else?
[04:03] <ice_world> anyway i have my bsg proper now so ill be going for real nwo
[04:03] <ice_world> yea youre probably right
[04:03] <ice_world> windows can run on it so
[04:03] <vidd> like THAT is a PLUS!
[04:03] <ice_world> hehe
[04:03] <ormiret> :)
[04:04] <ice_world> more like stating that it hasto be x86 compatible?
[04:04] <ormiret> yes, though I think there are Itanium windows versions?
[04:04] <vidd> no...more like saying that you can put just about any piece of *&%*& on it
[04:04] <ice_world> its doing service as a monowall routern now tho
[04:05] <ice_world> lol
[04:05] <vidd> with WINDOWS?
[04:05] <ice_world> m0n0wall is like a linux router
[04:05] <vidd> ok....
[04:05] <ice_world> btw
[04:05] <ice_world> what do you use for your 8 computerS+
[04:06] <vidd> running a firewall device with a M$ OS is like putting a screen door on a submarine!
[04:06] <ice_world> screen door
[04:06] <ice_world> is it that weird second door you got in the use
[04:07] <vidd> ice_world, not much ATM.....
[04:07] <vidd> ice_world, huh?
[04:08] <ice_world> talking about the screen door
[04:08] <vidd> a screen door on a submarine will let all the water in...and not keep it out
[04:08] <ice_world> lol
[04:08] <ice_world> indeed
[04:09] <vidd> just like a firewall device running on a M$ OS
[04:09] <ice_world> but im not sure i know exactly what a screen door is
[04:09] <ice_world> so i want to know
[04:10] <atarinox> noob question....is there a general directory to find config files for apps
[04:10] <vidd> a screen door is the door that instead of being made of solid wood or metal, has a wooden or metal frame and a screen covering the central part....
[04:10] <ormiret> atarinox: the man page for the app should say.
[04:10] <ice_world> good
[04:10] <joe4444> hmmm
[04:10] <ice_world> then it was what i thought it was
[04:10] <vidd> that way in the summer, you can let the breeze through, and kepp the flying insects out
[04:11] <ice_world> hehe
[04:11] <ice_world> you got lots of that? insects?
[04:11] <vidd> in the countryside you do
[04:11] <joe4444> anyone know why running "rmmod ehci_hcd" would actually enable usb2 devices to mount?
[04:12] <ice_world> vidd you answer him
[04:12] <ice_world> ill go watch bsg
[04:12] <joe4444> isn't that module supposed to enable usb2?  it seems strange that removing it makes usb2 work
[04:12] <vidd> if i KNEW what he was TALKING about i might
[04:13] <vidd> joe4444, maybe the command is an ITERFACE with the device
[04:14] <ormiret> joe4444: are they running full speed or falling back to USB1?
[04:14] <joe4444> hmm, not sure
[04:14] <vidd> and buy removing it, it is no longer a periferal (like a printer) but an HD
[04:14] <vidd> *HDD
[04:15] <vidd> just a thought...i dont know for sure
[04:15] <atarinox> is anybody familiar with conky?...do you know if there is a config file I can edit to add/remove certain stats, or do i have to recompile? not much help in the #conky channel
[04:15] <vidd> *wave* xubuser
[04:16] <xubuser> hi vidd
[04:16] <joe4444> it appears to be transferring @ usb2 speeds (2.2mb in < 1.0s)
[04:17] <joe4444> but the usb key is read only =(
[04:17] <vidd> hmmm....E: Package ssh-server has no installation candidate
[04:18] <vidd> ah....openssh-server!
[04:18] <joe4444> and my ipod seems to be falling back to usb1.1
[04:19] <vidd> ok...server installed....how do i remote in?
[04:19] <joe4444> but "rmmod ehci_hcd" was the only way i could get ubuntu to recognize the ipod
[04:19] <kalikiana> Is there a way to minimize a window with the mouse only?
[04:19] <joe4444> the minimize button...?
[04:20] <kalikiana> I mean without that button.
[04:20] <joe4444> or maybe mouse gestures (i've never used them)
[04:20] <ormiret> joe4444: I'm not sure how to debug this, you should probably file a bug and get help from the developer.
[04:20] <vidd> kalikiana, right click the title bar and choose [minimize] 
[04:20] <kalikiana> So I need it w/o a clickable button and w/o a menu.
[04:20] <joe4444> have you looked into mouse gestures?
[04:21] <kalikiana> Not yet, since everything else (except close) works.
[04:21] <vidd> no clickable button and no menu....
[04:21] <joe4444> i'm not really familiar with them, but that sounds like what you want
[04:21] <kalikiana> For Shading I use the wheel, double for maximizing, middle for put-to-background.
[04:22] <vidd> you can [alt] [tab]  to other windows....
[04:22] <joe4444> afaik mouse gestures allow you to perform pre-defined actions by moving your mouse in certain patterns, similar to keyboard shortcuts
[04:23] <vidd> have you TRIED right clicking the title bar? kalikiana ?
[04:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: Which kernel version are you running?
[04:23] <joe4444> latest i think
[04:23] <joe4444> 2.6.17-11
[04:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> k
[04:23] <joe4444> i only installed ubuntu a couple days ago
[04:23] <kalikiana> vidd, I sure know the context menu, I just prefer the very quickest way
[04:24] <joe4444> and updated immediately
[04:24] <kalikiana> vidd, So as a result I don't often use title bar buttons or menus.
[04:24] <kalikiana> vidd, Which gives me the special option to use the BeOS skin. ;)
[04:25] <joe4444> apt-get doesn't show any kernel updates for me...?
[04:25] <ormiret> vidd is probably running feisty.
[04:25] <vidd> kalikiana, ah...maybe you could PROGRAM the right mouse button  (double-click perhaps) to minimize?
[04:25] <vidd> ormiret, i am
[04:26] <joe4444> oh
[04:26] <joe4444> then i guess i have the latest EDGY kernel =)
[04:27] <BFTD> joe4444 what does "uname -a" say?
[04:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: Yeah.  I was just asking because there was a kernel patch submitted a few releases ago to deal with some usb-related issues in some BIOSs.
[04:27] <joe4444> 2.6.17-11
[04:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you reload ehci_hcd, does it continue working, or go back to the original state?
[04:29] <joe4444> modprobe?
[04:30] <vidd> joe4444, dont feel bad....we ALL were once!
[04:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> yeah
[04:30] <joe4444> sudo rmmod ehci_hcd    will automatically mount my ipod
[04:30] <joe4444> sudo modprobe ehci_hcd    then unmounts my ipod
[04:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> modprobe -r to remove, modprobe (without arguments) to add.
[04:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Odd.
[04:31] <ormiret> what do you get in dmesg when you plug the ipod in with ehci_hdc loaded?
[04:31] <joe4444> one sec...
[04:32] <vidd> or should i say apple...which MAKES MAC
[04:32] <joe4444> yeah well i only used it with windows before, so the fs is fat32...if that makes a difference
[04:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It shouldn't have a negative impact.  FAT has better support than HFS, which is what a 'macpod' uses.
[04:33] <vidd> so...now that i have openssh-server installed...what do i do to remote in? do i have to change any settings?
[04:34] <joe4444> ssh user@server
[04:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/HFS/HFS+/
[04:35] <vidd> will that give me terminal only? or X as well?
[04:35] <joe4444> ok, pasting dmesg output after i connect the ipod when ehci_hcd is enabled...
[04:35] <ormiret> that gets you a terminal ssh -X gives you terminal from which you can start X apps
[04:36] <vidd> ormiret, but i can ACUALLY get the live desktop?
[04:36] <joe4444> http://dpaste.com/6766/
[04:36] <ormiret> vidd: no, you want vnc or similar for that.
[04:36] <vidd> s/ i can/can i
[04:37] <vidd> so i need a vnc server and a vnc client
[04:37] <ormiret> yes
[04:37] <joe4444> ubuntu comes with a vnc client
[04:37] <joe4444> well, not sure about xubuntu
[04:38] <vidd> can someone recomand a lite vnc server? (and client for that matter)
[04:38] <ormiret> !vnc
[04:38] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[04:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/54419
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54419 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb change between 2.6.15-23 and 2.6.15-26 breaks working setup" [High,Confirmed] 
[04:39] <joe4444> PuMpErNiCkLe, then as soon as i run "sudo rmmod ehci_hcd" the ipod is mounted within 5-10 seconds and Music Player opens ready to play songs from my ipod
[04:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It looks like a mess involving a bunch of different components.
[04:39] <ormiret> hmm, I thought there was on in that, I've heard good things about tightVNC but never actually used it.
[04:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Temp solution is to add 'irqpoll' to your boot options in Grub.
[04:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> irqpoll is not the best of solutions, but it seems to have worked for others.
[04:40] <joe4444> hmm, how do i go about doing that?  and what exactly does it do?
[04:41] <joe4444> is that the blacklist solution?
[04:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, that just prevents the module from loading.
[04:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> This should, ideally, let the module work as intended.
[04:43] <joe4444> the irqpoll option?  how do i implement that?
[04:44] <vidd> once the vncserver is installed...do i need to run it...or does it run automaticly?
[04:45] <Odd_Bloke> vidd: You'll probably need to run it.
[04:45] <ormiret> you probably need to run it but 'ps ax | grep vnc' will tell you
[04:45] <vidd> ok ty
[04:46] <Odd_Bloke> '/etc/init.d/<something> start' where <something> probably starts 'vnc'...
[04:47] <vidd> 19327 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep vnc
[04:47] <vidd> what does that mean?
[04:48] <ormiret> the only process running with vnc in the name is the process looking for vnc
[04:48] <joe4444> i think that's showing that you just executed "grep vnc"
[04:48] <vidd> ic
[04:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: To try it temporarily, reboot and hit 'esc' once you see that Grub is loading.  You'll see a list of boot options.  Using 'e' to edit individual lines, add it to the end of the 'kernel' line, and then boot.
[04:49] <joe4444> PuMpErNiCkLe, any idea if this problem is resolved in feisty?
[04:49] <Odd_Bloke> vidd: Which means you need to start it, see above.
[04:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> To add it permanently, add it to the same line in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[04:49] <joe4444> so just add a line with "irqpoll" ?
[04:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: Not sure.  There's been a lot of kernel changes for Feisty, particularly relating to storage, but the bug isn't marked 'fixed'.
[04:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: No, just add it to the end of the kernel line.
[04:51] <joe4444> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash irqpoll
[04:51] <joe4444> like that?
[04:51] <vidd> wonderful...i installed tightvnc-server....but i cant seem to load it
[04:52] <vidd> i got it
[04:52] <vidd> =] 
[04:53] <joe4444> how?
[04:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: Yeah, like that.  If you want to see more of what's happening at boot, remove the 'splash' and 'quiet' options.
[04:53] <joe4444> kaptengu, thanks
[04:53] <joe4444> i'll try that and see if i get usb2 speed
[04:53] <joe4444> heh, i mean "k, thanks"
[04:54] <joe4444> tab-completion
[04:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ^^
[04:55] <cclampblues> WHATS UP
[04:56] <vidd> hey cclampblues
[04:57] <cclampblues> i got a style question for yall
[04:57] <cclampblues> hey vidd
[04:57] <cclampblues> how do you change the transparency of windows or panel on xfce
[05:00] <joe4444> irqpoll doesn't seem to help
[05:01] <joe4444> i'm getting the same errors from dmesg
[05:01] <ormiret> cclampblues: I think there are compositing settings somewhere, windowmanager, or windowmanager tweaks
[05:02] <vidd_laptop> ok....i dontget it....i vnc'd in...but i got a grey screen
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> maybe i should log the box in first!
[05:03] <joe4444> PuMpErNiCkLe, so i guess i won't be able to use my ipod (with any speed) until the ehci_hcd bug is fixed?
[05:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Seems like it.
[05:04] <ormiret> was it not working without ehci_hcd?
[05:04] <joe4444> yeah, all kinds of errors from dmesg
[05:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You should probably add your story to the bug tracker.
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> hmmm....still not working
[05:05] <joe4444> once i removed ehci_hcd the ipod (and usb key) automounted
[05:05] <Thai-help>  goto
[05:05] <joe4444> PuMpErNiCkLe, can you link me again?  i lost the url when i rebooted
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> i guess i will need to ssh into the box and turn vnc on?
[05:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bug 54419
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54419 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb change between 2.6.15-23 and 2.6.15-26 breaks working setup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54419
[05:06] <Thai-help> irc  irc.najeep.com
[05:06] <joe4444> thanks
[05:07] <vidd_laptop> !ssh
[05:07] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> when you sneak in here?
[05:13] <cellofellow> *wave*
[05:13] <cellofellow> about 8 mins ago
[05:13] <cellofellow> no 6
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> not having much luck....just getting a grey screen
[05:14] <cellofellow> my hard drive is dying and I hope my idea of useing dd to image it over to a spare works.
[05:14] <cellofellow> who are you trying to connect to?
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> my desktop on my local network
[05:15] <cellofellow> I thought your ISP had some weird routing stuff that wouldn't let you run a server.
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> its all behind my router
[05:16] <cellofellow> should work great then
[05:16] <cellofellow> do the boxes have personal firewalls, not just the router firewall protecting you?
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> yeah...i connect....i just cant SEE anything
[05:16] <Thai-help> irc irc.najeep.com
[05:16] <Thai-help> 
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> just the router
[05:16] <cellofellow> uh
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> Thai-help, this is an english speaking channel
[05:18] <atarinox> what does it mean to "fork" conky in the background?
[05:18] <cellofellow> !chinese
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <cellofellow> atarinox: so it doesn't sit there in the terminal screen doing nothing
[05:19] <cellofellow> stupid bot
[05:20] <atarinox> cellofellow: so if i'm autostarting hte app and don't want a terminal open i should change the forking option in the config file to yes?
[05:20] <cellofellow> if you're using the autostart or the run dialog, makes no difference. Only if you start in a terminal.
[05:20] <atarinox> oh ok
[05:23] <cellofellow> lalalala gparted takes forever to check the filesystem at least *3* times during a resize.
[05:23] <cellofellow> all the actions take no time at all, but the checks take forever, and make my disk click like mad sometimes.
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> better to be gparted 3 times then "departed" once isnt it???? cellofellow
[05:24] <cellofellow> yeah
[05:24] <cellofellow> I don't mind the time, but the clicking drives me nuts
[05:25] <cclampblue1> what can i download that will play windows media video and quick time video?
[05:25] <cellofellow> w32codecs
[05:25] <joe4444> PuMpErNiCkLe, still there?
[05:25] <cellofellow> if you're on 32bit PC.
[05:26] <cellofellow> you can use the Medibuntu repository to get them. Google it I don't have a link ATM.
[05:26] <joe4444> it seems my USB2.0 thumb drive works just fine under the normal setup (ehci_hcd loaded, no irqpoll)... the problem is limited to my ipod
[05:26] <joe4444> ...although i don't have any other usb2 devices to test
[05:27] <cellofellow> usb thumbs usually have no problems whatsoever. iPods are another storry.
[05:28] <joe4444> b/c thumbs aren't real hard disks?
[05:28] <cellofellow> because they are flash, and they use a plain, simple USB protocol instead of a mostly proprietary iPod protocol.
[05:29] <cellofellow> but USB hard drives usually work just fine too.
[05:29] <joe4444> hmm
[05:29] <joe4444> would the ipod work better if i use rockbox?
[05:30] <cellofellow> maybe
[05:31] <cellofellow> how long will it take to copy a 9GB disk image from one hard drive to another?
[05:31] <joe4444> a while
[05:31] <cellofellow> (`sudo dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1`
[05:32] <cellofellow> well, hos long should I wait?
[05:32] <joe4444> well i've read that ext3 is slower than ntfs
[05:32] <ormiret> as long as there is disk activity?
[05:32] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, you got cows to milk?
[05:32] <joe4444> the other day i transferred a few dvd iso files (8-10gb total) and it took 20-30 minutes i think
[05:32] <cellofellow> it's not a file system thing.
[05:33] <cellofellow> nope, but good idea vidd.
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> (i didnt thinks so....besides....what farmer gets up @ 10pm to milk cows?)
[05:34] <cellofellow> cows don't want milked at 10pm anyways.
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> it IS 10:30 your time...is it not?
[05:35] <cellofellow> yeah
[05:35] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, any clue WHY im getting a grey screen while im trying to vnc in?
[05:36] <cellofellow> you may be using a VNC server that wants to provide access to the current session that isn't running. Or it may want to provide a GDM greeter screen but it isn't configured properly.
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> what is the command to allow remote login?
[05:38] <cellofellow> dunno
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> i have an ssh connection, and i can do CLI on the remote machine
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> but i just get a grey screen when i try to vnc in
[05:39] <cellofellow> why not use direct XDMCP or plain X connection? Why VNC?
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> well...cuzz i want to CONTROL the active desktop
[05:40] <cellofellow> ok
[05:40] <cellofellow> which vnc server are you using?
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> AND i want to see what my kid does on it when he thinks he is unsupervized
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> um....the one that comes with xubuntu
[05:41] <cellofellow> one comes with xubuntu?
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> aparently
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> /usr/bin/vncviewer
[05:42] <cellofellow> server not client
[05:42] <cellofellow> which server
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> oh....
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> tightvnc
[05:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> joe4444: Sorry, I was away.
[05:44] <cellofellow> hmmm. I think that one is designed to serve a login not the current X session.
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> gggrrrrr
[05:45] <atarinox> is there a quick terminal command for viewing the name of my wireless card?
[05:45] <atarinox> is hte default wlan0?
[05:45] <cellofellow> x11vnc servs the current session.
[05:47] <ormiret> atarinox: iwconfig ought to tell you/
[05:49] <BFTD> is there some program that can record from a mic?
[05:49] <cellofellow> audacity
[05:50] <BFTD> nice
[05:50] <BFTD> !audacity
[05:50] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> lol....i just rebooted my remote machine
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> hmmm....seems i can remote in without logging in....
[05:53] <cellofellow> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1
[05:53] <cellofellow> dd: writing to `/dev/hdb1': Input/output error
[05:53] <cellofellow> 3008029+0 records in
[05:53] <cellofellow> 3008028+0 records out
[05:53] <cellofellow> 1540110336 bytes (1.5 GB) copied, 468.229 seconds, 3.3 MB/s
[05:53] <cellofellow> make me sad. It did that last time
[05:53] <cellofellow> exactly the same
[05:54] <cellofellow> is there some other option I can give dd? like an argument for the -bs option?
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> is there a way to log in to a remote machine without logging in physically first?
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> someone put an install disk in the cdrom drive
[05:56] <cellofellow> he
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> now im getting connection refused
[05:58] <joe4444> PuMpErNiCkLe, just finished posting a reply to that bug report
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> that means that the box is up but wont let me log in
[05:58] <joe4444> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/54419/comments/21
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54419 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb change between 2.6.15-23 and 2.6.15-26 breaks working setup" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, im in
[06:00] <cellofellow> oop
[06:00] <cellofellow> ss
[06:02] <BFTD> !audicity
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audicity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <BFTD> hrm?
[06:02] <joe4444> !audacity
[06:02] <cellofellow> !audacity
[06:02] <BFTD> what was it called again?
[06:02] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[06:02] <cellofellow> audacity.sf.net is the website. It's in repos too.
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, now i have a grey window with terminal open in it
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> and it's labled X desktop
[06:10] <vidd_laptop> i type a command...and i see the app
[06:10] <cellofellow> you got the "Failsafe Terminal" I guess.
[06:11] <cellofellow> I don't pretend to know anything about VNC.
[06:11] <vidd_laptop> what is the command to restart the gdm?
[06:12] <joe4444> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:12] <joe4444> i think
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> yep....but no dice over vcn
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> i dont get my menues
[06:14] <joe4444> hmm
[06:15] <joe4444> i have tightvnc server set up on my mom's XP machine and it works fine with ubuntu's Terminal Server Client
[06:15] <joe4444> have you tried using that instead of the tightvnc client?
[06:16] <vidd_laptop> im using the vnc client that came with xubuntu
[06:17] <joe4444> Terminal Server Client?
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> vncviewer
[06:17] <joe4444> maybe that's only with Ubuntu
[06:17] <cellofellow> client makes no difference
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> what is the name of the login window app in system?
[06:19] <cellofellow> you have server configuration issues
[06:19] <cellofellow> the command is gdmsetup
[06:25] <vidd_laptop> i reset it to allow remote x logins
[06:25] <vidd_laptop> its is booting....
[06:27] <vidd_laptop> still getting the "fail safe" terminal
[06:28] <cellofellow> instead of a "greeter" screen?
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> yes
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> im reading theguide on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH#head-f09843431b09ba40966092f04f15548732d97fed-2
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> it looks like X is running....and not XFCE
[06:36] <vidd_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10140
[06:37] <vidd_laptop> that is the contents of the xstartup script
[06:40] <vidd> this is me logged in remotely
[06:40] <vidd_laptop> so i can do what i want....as long as i launch it from the command line
[06:41] <vidd_laptop> so i need it to be set up so i can access it with xfce
[06:41] <vidd_laptop> insead of Xdesktop
[06:41] <Eagle_101> mmm so vidd_laptop you are saying that you are able to access xorg, but not xfce?
[06:41] <cellofellow> startxfce4 will get xfce running
[06:42] <vidd_laptop> it apears so
[06:43] <vidd_laptop> awesome....i have my desktop
[06:46] <vidd_laptop> oopps i closed the WRONG window
[06:47] <vidd_laptop> great!
[06:48] <vidd_laptop> now ihave the desktop background, but no icons or terminl
[06:56] <BFTD> !xlaxk
[06:56] <BFTD> !xlack
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xlaxk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xlack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <joe4444> !exlax
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exlax - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <joe4444> !anything
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <joe4444> hah!
[06:59] <vidd_laptop> !the_body_under_the_floor | joe4444
[07:00] <vidd_laptop> !the_body_under_the_floor
[07:02] <joe4444> ?
[07:05] <vidd_laptop> now if i can just get it to see my ACTIVE desktop!
[07:12] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: can you run startxfce4 again?
[07:13] <vidd_laptop> i can now....
[07:13] <vidd_laptop> i killed the vncserver and restarted it
[07:14] <vidd_laptop> now, while i cant see what is happening on the active screen....i at least have a basic idea of how it works
[07:14] <vidd_laptop> i can play with it tomorrow
[07:15] <vidd_laptop> night all
[07:45] <hyper_ch> hiho
[09:09] <dsl1118> hi everyone
[09:14] <SkippyX> Hullo.
[09:16] <SkippyX> question re: packages on the xubuntu alternate install disc. I just managed to get debian (sarge) installed on an old lappy I picked up on the cheap.
[09:16] <SkippyX> I had difficulties installing xubuntu on it. Or puppy linux (for that matter)
[09:16] <SkippyX> I think I see where I the problem occurred - but I've got debian on it.....
[09:17] <SkippyX> otoh - the packages included in debian are covered in moss.
[09:17] <SkippyX> what kind of packages are includeed in xubuntu? I can't seem to find a regular package list.
[09:17] <hyper> hiho, anyone alive?
[09:17] <SkippyX> yeah - hyper - I am.
[09:17] <SkippyX> Not a regular.
[09:18] <SkippyX> I was just asking about packages in xubuntu. I'm comparing debian (sarge) vs. xubuntu on an old lappy.
[09:18] <SkippyX> tried to get xubuntu installed - failed, managed debian - and I'm pretty sure I see where I erred on xubuntu - but I'm wondering if it's worth switching.
[09:18] <hyper> well, you know whether I can make some sort of include in the hosts file?
[09:19] <SkippyX> Nope. Haven't a clue.
[09:19] <hyper> SkippyX: hmmm, if it's old I'd rather go for DSL or puppylinux :)
[09:20] <SkippyX> I really don't want to do DSL - and had problems getting puppy on it. The debian-based distros were hard to install (w/ debian sarge I had to go expert install/netinstall and go w/ the defaults.)
[09:20] <TheSheep> hyper: no, you can use a DNS server to add more hosts :)
[09:20] <SkippyX> The other ways all lead to failure at detecting & mounting the CDROM.
[09:20] <TheSheep> hyper: see man hosts
[09:20] <SkippyX> 300 MHz, 96 meg machine - runs *Great* w/ debian on it.
[09:21] <SkippyX> faster than I would have thought. X & xfce.
[09:21] <TheSheep> SkippyX: did yuo try various kernel options, like acpi=off, noapic, etc. ?
[09:21] <SkippyX> TheSheep, Yep.
[09:22] <TheSheep> SkippyX: well, you can always try debian unstable if you want newer packages :)
[09:22] <SkippyX> TheSheep, I was thinking I could. I'm 1/2way familiar w/ ubuntu (been running breezy on my desktop for a year or so), prior to that it was mdk.
[09:22] <SkippyX> Debian I'm new to, but it can't be that different than ubuntu.
[09:23] <SkippyX> I was wondering if I could just do "apt-get update" or some such thing w/ apt to bring it up to Etch.
[09:24] <TheSheep> SkippyX: yes, you just need to chenge the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:24] <TheSheep> SkippyX: ubuntu is almost identical to debian in terms of architecture and inner workings
[09:24] <SkippyX> TheSheep, Great. Then there's little point in going for a reinstall at this point.
[09:25] <SkippyX> It's only going to be used as a web appliance anyways - something I can take to wifi hotspots to get broadband speeds for d/ls. dial-up at the house.
[09:25] <TheSheep> SkippyX: I think that with some luck you'd even be able to upgrade debian to ubuntu and vice versa XD
[09:25] <TheSheep> SkippyX: although it's a stunt
[09:26] <SkippyX> Sounds like a bit of a stretch for a home user/neophyte like myself.
[09:26] <SkippyX> Took me 4 tries to get debian (sarge) installed last night. I made mistakes at various points during the first 3 - and learned from my mistakes. 4th time was the charm.
[09:26] <TheSheep> man learns all his life
[09:27] <SkippyX> true enough.
[09:27] <SkippyX> I wonder how current the apps are in the etch repos? I'm sure there are also 3rd party repos for current apps.
[09:27] <SkippyX> Hmm. Likely something I should be asking in #debian.
[09:29] <SkippyX> Ok - well, thanks for the pointers & chat. I'm off.
[10:46] <pdamer> Hey,  I just installed xubuntu on an hp laptop and I am getting random system freezes,  Anyone have hints as what to look for?
[10:46] <pdamer> At first I thought it was firefox but then it happend when that wasn't running
[11:00] <hyper> TheSheep: have you tested Xubuntu on a P3 800Mhz with 256MB ram?
[01:27] <hyper_ch> hiho
[01:30] <frtmonster> hi, how can i disable my laptop's touchpad?
[01:30] <hyper_ch> frtmonster: no clue :)
[01:31] <frtmonster> :>
[01:31] <frtmonster> hyper_ch: i tried commenting it out in the X11 conf
[01:31] <frtmonster> but nothing happened aftewards
[01:31] <frtmonster> you know how to perhaps, tell linux i updated the conf?
[01:35] <hyper_ch> frtmonster: you have to restart x-server when you change the x11 conf
[01:35] <hyper_ch> !svn
[01:35] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[01:53] <hyper_ch> wow, the new bootsplash is really nice :)
[01:55] <frtmonster> what other good X's like XFCE there are?
[02:06] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[02:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:42] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: hiho
[02:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> yo
[02:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It was time to do some spring cleaning.
[02:43] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: do you know how to activate the multimedia buttons on a notebook?
[02:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Which notebook?
[02:44] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: it's an acer travelmate 1410
[02:47] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: well, question is whether it's possible at all :)
[02:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Should be possible.
[02:48] <hyper_ch> :)
[02:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> With `xev`, you can capture keyboard events.
[02:48] <hyper_ch> that's the only thing that's not working yet on my mom's notebook :)
[02:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Using the keyboard shortcuts pref pane, you can assign them to commands.
[02:49] <hyper_ch> I'm not quite following you
[02:49] <hyper_ch> xev is a program that needs to be installed?
[02:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It should be installed already.
[02:49] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[02:50] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: one more thing, can you get this file?  http://icanthack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/vmnet.tar
[02:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah...
[02:51] <hyper_ch> it stopped for me... now it works again :)
[02:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> o.O
[02:52] <hyper_ch> yay :) vmware works now again :)
[03:12] <silya> Hi all! Xubuntu supports philip 190c monitor?
[03:37] <joe4444> why would removing GIMP also remove ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop?
[03:38] <TheSheep> joe4444: becayuse gimp is one of the applications installed by default
[03:38] <joe4444> one of
[03:38] <joe4444> i don't want to lose all the other apps
[03:39] <TheSheep> foo-desktop packages are meta-packages that don't really contain anything inside, but instead depend on all the applications that are by default in ubuntu/xubuntu
[03:39] <TheSheep> you won't loose them
[03:39] <joe4444> oh ok
[03:39] <TheSheep> lose
[03:41] <joe4444> hmm
[03:41] <joe4444> removing open office says it will remove language-support-en...?
[04:51] <LastMall> are there any real drawbacks to just installing from the livecd ?
[04:57] <TheSheep> LastMall: you need at least 192MB ram
[05:11] <LastMall> yeah, I knew about that.   the livecd install is just easier and if ram requirements are the only real problem, I may just suggest people always use the livecd to install from.
[05:14] <pleia2> LastMall: the LiveCD install is the recommended way to do the install these days
[05:14] <pleia2> if you want to do a different install you have to download a whole different iso (alternate)
[05:17] <Jasperk> hey hi...i am newbie in ubuntu...well in linux in general...i try with slackware a few weeks in this distro use konkeror for navigate into the files of the system but in xubuntu what application i must use...???
[05:17] <ochosi> anyone here knows how to setup tvout on an old ati rage 128? (i have tv out working in bios, but not in the xserver)
[05:17] <pleia2> Jasperk: thunar
[05:20] <Jasperk> pleia2: ok....i use this but this don't show my others partition and HD.....
[05:21] <TheSheep> Jasperk: navigate to /media
[05:21] <pleia2> Jasperk: if thunar doesn't have the features you want you can install konqueror
[05:25] <BFTD> dum dee du,
[05:25] <BFTD> hey all
[05:26] <Jasperk> pleia2: i don't know if whould  install konqueror because i use xfce and konqueror work in kde....can you help me....??
[05:29] <Jasperk> TheSheep: thanks TheSheep.....i don't know that in this directory i whould find my others files.....
[05:30] <TheSheep> Jasperk: you can mount the disks in any place, but that's where they are mounted by default
[05:32] <Jasperk> TheSheep: ok....thanks for the info....you know if i whould install konkeror into xubuntu....??
[05:34] <TheSheep> Jasperk: you can, but it won't look nice and will be slow
[05:34] <TheSheep> Jasperk: better to learn use Thunar
[05:34] <TheSheep> Jasperk: especially if you upgrade to feisty when it's out
[05:35] <TheSheep> (feisty is the next version of ubuntu)
[05:35] <Jasperk> TheSheep: ahhh ok...i have xubuntu 6.10....
[05:36] <TheSheep> feisty will be out in April, it's much improved :)
[05:38] <El_Angelo> what are you guys trying to achieve with xubuntu?
[05:38] <El_Angelo> like
[05:38] <El_Angelo> apposed to ubuntu and kubuntu?
[05:38] <darrend_laptop> anyone using the network settings gui to switch locations?  I'm trying to use it on a laptop that travels to many different network environs and I don't see it executing any scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d and the like when it switches location
[05:38] <Jasperk> TheSheep: ahhh ok...yeah i read a little about this new release....but i have a another problem and this it that i cann't copy files with thunar....
[05:39] <TheSheep> !mount
[05:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:39] <El_Angelo> i'll tell you why i ask this
[05:39] <TheSheep> !fstab
[05:39] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:39] <El_Angelo> Xfce is considered as a lightweight alternative for gnome or kde
[05:40] <El_Angelo> but is xubuntu the lightweight alternative for ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:40] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: we just like xfce, that's all
[05:40] <El_Angelo> cause i just installed xubuntu on a dual p3 866Mhz, 512MB rdram, so not the world fastest machine, but also not what you would call slow
[05:41] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: it should run fine on it, except for firefox, of course
[05:41] <El_Angelo> but xubuntu is * s * l * o * w * on that machine...
[05:41] <El_Angelo> really
[05:41] <El_Angelo> i installed arch and lunar on that machine with Xfce... and it was *smooth*
[05:41] <El_Angelo> now this is outrageous
[05:42] <El_Angelo> is there any *tweak* guide? (god i feel like back in the windowsxp times :( )
[05:42] <colorred> what browser is recommended for slow machines?
[05:42] <darrend_laptop> colorred: elinks?
[05:42] <El_Angelo> it's not firefox that is slow... i even didn't start that one yet!
[05:42] <darrend_laptop> depends how slow :)
[05:42] <colorred> thats horrible!
[05:43] <El_Angelo> it's the whole damn desktop
[05:43] <darrend_laptop> elinks is cool.
[05:43] <TheSheep> colorred: this is a hole in the market -- generally Opera is pretty fine, or Dillo/w3m if you don't really need graphics
[05:43] <colorred> I mean 350MHz
[05:43] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: you must have broken something ;)
[05:43] <darrend_laptop> colorred: you mean a gui browser?
[05:43] <colorred> yeah
[05:43] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: what graphics driver do you use?
[05:43] <El_Angelo> nv
[05:44] <El_Angelo> and no i did not turn on compositing
[05:44] <TheSheep> ok, it should be fast enough
[05:44] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: doi you have compositing enabled?
[05:44] <darrend_laptop> colorred: try http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lightweight+web+browser
[05:44] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: e.g. do you see shadows around the windows?
[05:44] <El_Angelo> [17:44:03]     El_Angelo | and no i did not turn on compositing
[05:44] <TheSheep> ah,. ok
[05:44] <colorred> ah, the google
[05:44] <El_Angelo> TheSheep: in case you don't know.. i'm an xfce dev ;)
[05:44] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: cool
[05:45] <El_Angelo> so i pretty much know what to turn off to speed the damn thing
[05:45] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: then you probably can look into task list and see what takes all the cpu?
[05:45] <El_Angelo> but in this case it's not helping.
[05:45] <El_Angelo> smp ain't disabled by default by any chance?
[05:45] <TheSheep> afaik no
[05:46] <TheSheep> I think it's enabled since edgy
[05:46] <El_Angelo> k
[05:46] <El_Angelo> feisty thing is what i have installed
[05:46] <El_Angelo> herd 5 or something
[05:46] <TheSheep> do you use a _386 or _generic kernel?
[05:46] <El_Angelo> i don't know
[05:46] <TheSheep> uname -a
[05:46] <El_Angelo> i'll check tomorrow
[05:46] <El_Angelo> machine ain't here
[05:47] <El_Angelo> but i was just wondering what you were expecting from a machine like that
[05:47] <TheSheep> hmm... what else can slow it down :/
[05:47] <El_Angelo> i'll check all settings again tomorrow
[05:47] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: I'm running xubuntu on a P2 200Mhz with 96MB ram and it's ok
[05:47] <TheSheep> as long as I don't run firefox or openoffice, of course
[05:47] <El_Angelo> won't run those
[05:48] <El_Angelo> though imho with 512MB firefox should be doable
[05:48] <TheSheep> yes
[05:48] <El_Angelo> it's what i have in this machine @ home too
[05:48] <TheSheep> it's more than enough
[05:48] <El_Angelo> after all xubuntu ain't vista..... right? (unsure)
[05:48] <El_Angelo> :p
[05:49] <TheSheep> at least not last time I checked
[05:49] <TheSheep> although they can fork ubuntu if their native code ain't ready by the release time ;)
[05:49] <El_Angelo> is beagle enabled on a default xubunut install?
[05:49] <El_Angelo> or tracker or something alike?
[05:49] <TheSheep> no mono on xubuntu
[05:50] <El_Angelo> k
[05:50] <TheSheep> tracker is there, but I think not installed
[05:50] <TheSheep> it's still to new
[05:50] <TheSheep> too
[05:50] <El_Angelo> k
[05:50] <El_Angelo> bye
[05:50] <TheSheep> bye
[05:50] <TheSheep> wish you luck with your install
[05:51] <kraut> hi
[05:51] <kraut> does the installer supports dm-crypt devices?
[05:52] <darrend_laptop> nobody using the net settings gui??
[06:10] <slow-motion> hallo#
[06:13] <lzap> hello, I need a small distro with Firefox2 and GDM for KIOSKs, I have chosen Xubuntu... what is minimal systems req? I have boxes with 128 MB RAM and 1 GB IDE flash drives...
[06:14] <TheSheep> lzap: xubuntu won't fit
[06:14] <TheSheep> lzap: at least not the default distribution
[06:14] <lzap> not good
[06:15] <TheSheep> lzap: I think that in your case it's better to either start with ubuntu server and add xfce and firefox to it, or choose some distro that allows you to customize much more, like Lunar or Gentoo
[06:16] <TheSheep> lzap: disk space is the main problem
[06:16] <TheSheep> lzap: xubuntu ships with everything an user *might* ever need, so it's huge
[06:16] <lzap> thnx
[06:17] <TheSheep> lzap: you could also try to make them into ltsp terminals, see the dubuntu documentation
[06:23] <lzap> evaluting Slax
[06:29] <KboyKowboy> hey all - i have read through the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions page about the resolution problems xubuntu might have - but i'm not sure which of the problems listed i may have
[06:31] <KboyKowboy> but... i know my pc is able to run 1024x768, and it is a resolution mentioned in my xconf file... BUT still i cant choose it when adjusting my display in display setings
[06:31] <KboyKowboy> i tryed to find my pc specs http://www.ciao.co.uk/HP_OmniBook_XE3L__5373335#productdetail
[06:32] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: have you tried changing your horizontal and vertical sync ranges?
[06:33] <KboyKowboy> no
[06:33] <KboyKowboy> where do i do that?
[06:34] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: the simplest way is to open terminal and type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:34] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: then you'll be asked some questions, accept the defaults until you get to the monitor configuration
[06:34] <KboyKowboy> but then i have to choose all sorts of settings for the pc right?! ok... hold on let me try... just backing up my xconf file first
[06:35] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: another possibility -- your graphics card might be using the regular ram memory for the graphics memory, then you need to set in bios how much it should use
[06:35] <kraut> does the installer supports dm-crypt devices?
[06:35] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: it's usually called 'graphics aperture' or something
[06:35] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: set it  to the highest value possible
[06:36] <KboyKowboy> uh?!... he he ok... firstly i try the xconf thing - im a little slow ;-)
[06:36] <TheSheep> I'd try the bios settings first
[06:38] <KboyKowboy> ok... but i have no clue about that
[06:38] <KboyKowboy> should i restart and go into the bios then?
[06:39] <TheSheep> KboyKowboy: yes
[06:40] <KboyKowboy> trying now ;-)... thanks
[06:40] <TheSheep> look for 'grapgic aperture' or 'graphic memory size' option, or something like that
[06:40] <TheSheep> bah
[06:45] <KboyKowboy> theSheep: nothing like that in the bios
[06:46] <KboyKowboy> so "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" is the next step?!
[06:49] <TheSheep> yes
[06:49] <KboyKowboy> ok trying now... i should try and change the refreshrate?!
[06:49] <TheSheep> yes
[06:50] <TheSheep> in the wors case you'll see blank screen
[06:50] <KboyKowboy> it asks me how much memory i would like to alocate for the grafics card
[06:51] <KboyKowboy> should i try and put a 128 or so there?!
[06:55] <KboyKowboy> ok - now i'm at the refresh rate part
[06:56] <KboyKowboy> what should i try and write?! standard is 28-51
[06:58] <ochosi> just a quick general question: if fullscreen video playback via tvout doesn't run smoothly, is it definitely due to old hardware? (pIII 450mhz, 256ram, atirage128 32mb, 14gb hdd)
[07:04] <kraut> hello?
[07:19] <kboykowboy> TheSheep: hmm... ok i messed it up the screen went crazy - now i need a little help on setting it back to what it was before. How do i start up in "text mode" and copy back my xconf.backup file?!
[07:22] <colorred> try choosing recovery mode in grub
[07:23] <kboykowboy> ehh... what is grub?!
[07:24] <colorred> ah. the boot loader. you can choose which kernel to boot. to bring up the menu, hit esc right before it starts booting linux
[07:31] <kboykowboy> colorred: yes sir ;-) thanks
[07:34] <ochosi> anyone got an idea how to run xubuntu in minimum config so that video playback on an old machine would run smoothly? (and: do you think the main prob is graphics card, cpu or ram speed?)
[07:49] <thespaceantelope> Greetings
[07:49] <thespaceantelope> I'm having a problem with my DVDROM drive. It won't mount.
[08:30] <KboyKowboy> can anyone help me determind if i have a problem related to the "Intel Graphics driver (i810) won't use high screen resolutions" on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:33] <KboyKowboy> if i say my pc is very similar to this one http://www.ciao.co.uk/HP_OmniBook_XE3L__5373335#productdetail
[09:33] <El_Angelo> is it possible to turn of the interface lock of the "x" sudo used in xubuntu?
[09:34] <El_Angelo> i mean
[09:34] <bur[n] er> say what?
[09:34] <El_Angelo> it's very nice that it asks for a password with i startup synaptic
[09:34] <bur[n] er> like when gksudo makes the screen go black?
[09:34] <El_Angelo> but i want still to be able to do other stuff
[09:34] <El_Angelo> exactly
[09:34] <El_Angelo> it's ****ing anoying me as hell
[09:35] <bur[n] er> you can either turn off the asking of the password altogether... or just deal with it ;)
[09:35] <El_Angelo> really?
[09:35] <bur[n] er> why wouldn't you want that behaviour?  If you launch synaptic, you want to run synaptic, not something else
[09:35] <El_Angelo> nothing else?
[09:35] <bur[n] er> and after you put in your password, you can do anything else
[09:35] <El_Angelo> well just imagine this.... this will be a stupid example but hey... you'll get it anyway
[09:35] <El_Angelo> i'm a new user
[09:35] <El_Angelo> totally have no idea what i'm doing
[09:36] <El_Angelo> but i managed installing xubuntu
[09:36] <bur[n] er> sweeeeeeeeeet
[09:36] <El_Angelo> i click on "Synaptic package manager"
[09:36] <El_Angelo> starts asking me for passwords
[09:36] <El_Angelo> but i have no idea wth the thing is supposed to do
[09:36] <El_Angelo> i seek help
[09:36] <El_Angelo> i want to fire up firefox
[09:36] <bur[n] er> ok... give me a minute here....
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[09:38] <bur[n] er> new user... opens synaptic and then clicks on firefox to do something else while waiting for synaptic to open... if the password window doesn't make it the focus, you could lose it behind another window... I know you've seen users in windows lose "yes no" questions under things
[09:38] <bur[n] er> so with the current setup, they cancel the password, or figure it out.  at this point, they've only ever used one password with linux, so it must be it!
[09:39] <bur[n] er> i hear your point, and it'd be cool to be optional for those in the know, but I like the default behaviour
[09:39] <Silver2> Is there any tax software for linux?
[09:39] <bur[n] er> Silver2: I have done mine online via turbotax
[09:39] <bur[n] er> using firefox
[09:39] <Silver2> k thanks
[09:39] <bur[n] er> it says it may not be compatible but you can go on anyway... and it worked for me :)
[09:39] <El_Angelo> bur[n] er: i'm i the first to ask this/
[09:40] <bur[n] er> El_Angelo: check launchpad or the docs or the wiki?
[09:40] <bur[n] er> El_Angelo: you're the first I know
[09:41] <El_Angelo> weird
[09:42] <El_Angelo> most likely not really your typical user, as i'm actually a dev of another distro... but still :p
[09:43] <bur[n] er> i'm just an irc idler
[09:51] <El_Angelo> ok found it out :)
[09:52] <El_Angelo> gksu --disable-grab
[09:52] <El_Angelo> does it :)
[09:52] <El_Angelo> so all that i have to do now is add that :)
[09:52] <El_Angelo> thnx for all the help bur[n] er ;)
[09:53] <bur[n] er> :)
[09:53] <bur[n] er> anytime... but gksudo is used instead of gksu i think
[09:54] <bur[n] er> gksudo -g synaptic
[09:54] <bur[n] er> for example :)   see ya
[09:54] <El_Angelo> same result :)
[09:56] <slow-motion> n8
[10:37] <Mordicus> hello
[10:38] <Mordicus> Please, is there a way to boot from the liveCD and to install Xubuntu from an external (non bootable) device ?
[10:38] <TheSheep> Mordicus: yes
[10:38] <TheSheep> !install | Mordicus
[10:38] <Mordicus> my cd-rom is too slow and the installation often stalls
[10:38] <ubotu> Mordicus: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[10:39] <Mordicus> thank you, I am reading the doc
[10:39] <Mordicus> TheSheep: what means "!install" ? a command ?
[10:42] <Mordicus> my installation freezes but I cannot find the exact reason reading the doc :/
[10:43] <TheSheep> Mordicus: how much ram do you have?
[10:43] <Mordicus> 192mo
[10:43] <TheSheep> does it freeze at 83%?
[10:43] <Mordicus> no, at 15%
[10:44] <TheSheep> when you boot from the cd, there is a menu, in that menu there is an option to "check the cd for defects", did you try it?
[10:44] <Mordicus> I installed fluxbuntu before, but during the partion process, i deleted the partition an  created a new one...
[10:44] <Mordicus> yes, I checked the CD, no error was found, checksum is ok
[10:45] <TheSheep> what is the installatro doing when it freezes?
[10:45] <TheSheep> does it say anything?
[10:45] <Mordicus> it stops at "detecting file system" (mine is in French)
[10:46] <Mordicus> the Cd as stopped, and the screen is "freezed"
[10:46] <Mordicus> I can move the mouse, nothing else
[10:46] <TheSheep> weird
[10:46] <Mordicus> *it stopped while "detecting the file system"
[10:46] <Mordicus> may be my CD-rom is getting old :/
[10:46] <Mordicus> possible ?
[10:47] <TheSheep> hardly -- if it passed the test it should be ok
[10:47] <TheSheep> I'd rather say your drive controller is non-standard and the system hangswhen trying to use it
[10:47] <Mordicus> well, i checked on another PC, because this one is two slow (CD-rom read slowly)
[10:47] <TheSheep> aah, check it on the same cd
[10:48] <Mordicus> huh... really ? (it will take hours :s)
[10:48] <cycro> helo
[10:48] <TheSheep> Mordicus: you can try one of the alternate install methods
[10:48] <Mordicus> i am reading the doc but it's hard -_-
[10:48] <Mordicus> I'm a newbie to linux
[10:49] <TheSheep> Mordicus: or just put the hard disk into a faster computer, do the install, put it back and reconfigure x server
[10:49] <cycro> how do i add 7zip support to xarchiver?
[10:49] <null__> Mordicus: make sure your CD-ROM drive has 0 errors reading the install CD
[10:49] <null__> Mordicus: if there is a logical block reading error (meaning a scratch or bad burn) the install will fail
[10:49] <null__> Mordicus: I burned 3 CD's, at 4x, 4x, 1x, used 3 different CD-ROM drivers, and kept failing.  Turns out I have crappy CD-R's :(
[10:49] <Mordicus> TheSheep: oh ! that's an idea ! but it's a laptop... but I can try...
[10:50] <Mordicus> null__: I got the same problem yesterday trying to install Fluxbuntu :(
[10:50] <TheSheep> ouch, messing with a hdd in a laptop is usually a bad idea :(
[10:50] <TheSheep> is booting from an usb drive an option?
[10:50] <Mordicus> but this CD sound OK, mD5 is ok, not error found..
[10:51] <null__> Mordicus: if you can get to a console and run 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' after you edit your sources(!required) you can install from the internet
[10:51] <Mordicus> the laptop is too old, it can olny boot from Floppy, CD-tom or internal HDD
[10:51] <null__> Mordicus: what are the specs?  Xubuntu may not work on too old of a laptop
[10:52] <null__> I tried installing Xubuntu on a 32 MB ram Pentium  MMX laptop last night and it wouldn't install because it didn't have enough ram.
[10:52] <Mordicus> Celerom 600Mhz, 192 ram, 8mo vram, 40go HDD (with FAT32 partition for Millenium + small partition for Geexbox)
[10:52] <null__> yeah, that would owrk
[10:52] <null__> o.0 Millenium?
[10:52] <TheSheep> Mordicus: I think that there is a program that makes it boot from any device -- it boots first and then loads the boot record from whatever you tell it
[10:52] <null__> Good god, get rid of that operating system.  it's junk.
[10:52] <TheSheep> Mordicus: there should be a link in the docs
[10:52] <Mordicus> TheSheep: yes WinMe, because there is no other light windows OS working for this laptop :s
[10:53] <null__> Mordicus: xubuntu will work very well
[10:53] <Mordicus> TheSheep: from ANY device ? you are sure ?
[10:53] <TheSheep> Mordicus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:53] <Mordicus> it is not for booting from the CD-rom only ??
[10:54] <TheSheep> not sure, but I guess not
[10:55] <TheSheep> Mordicus: you can also try the minimal cd -- then it will download almost all from the net
[10:55] <TheSheep> or this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[10:56] <null__> wait, minimal cd?  where's that?
[10:57] <Mordicus> can I boot with the live CD and type this : "'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" ??
[10:58] <null__> Mordicus: I do not know.
[10:59] <Mordicus> Smart Boot Won't Work... "SBM appears not to support PCMCIA cdroms" and "SBM also does not appear to recognize external USB CD-ROM drives" :(
[10:59] <null__> Mordicus: doesn't the live cd have an install option once its running?
[10:59] <Mordicus> yes it has, it tries to install the files from the system but my PC freezed twice :(
[11:00] <Mordicus> *from the LiveCD
[11:00] <null__> i've experienced that problem with many live cd distributions
[11:00] <Mordicus> I afraid there is an error with grub or something like that...
[11:00] <null__> an eth0 install seems to be your best bet
[11:00] <Mordicus> it is the destkop CD
[11:01] <null__> it's usually a driver incompatibility error i think
[11:03] <Mordicus> eht0 install ?
[11:03] <Mordicus> what about Feisty desktop for Xubuntu ? can I try it ?
[11:04] <grazie> Mordicus: No technical insight from me, but it took 2/3 goes for me to get xubuntu installed on x86.
[11:04] <odat> anyone able to help with a second hard drive?
[11:08] <grazie> Mordicus: you can try feisty, but I don't of any specific difference made to it that would help. You'd probably have more success with the alternatie cd although you shouldn't really need it.
[11:08] <grazie> odat: what's the problem?
[11:09] <odat> need to setup the fstab to recognize it
[11:09] <Mordicus> I would like to try the net installation... i am going to use the minimal CD to see
[11:10] <Mordicus> is there a minimal boot cd for Xubuntu ? or shall use Ubuntu minimal CD ?
[11:10] <darrend> when I run network-admin on my laptop, I don't get asked for my password (gksudo) but do if I run it on my desktop machine.  Both are edgy.  I vaguely recollect changing something on the laptop a few months back relating to this: any idea what it might have been??
[11:11] <grazie> Mordicus: ubuntu minimal...same thing for all *ubuntu
[11:11] <Mordicus> then I type "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" from terminal ?
[11:12] <grazie> Mordicus: once you've got the base system installed
[11:12] <Mordicus> ok
[11:13] <Mordicus> btw, I've read somewhere that "ACPI" should be disable before installing... right ? but I can't find the command line anymore :s
[11:13] <Mordicus> something like : linux ACPI ... (off) just after booting with the CD, before install
[11:13] <Mordicus> do you see what I mean ?
[11:16] <grazie> Mordicus: Either 'linux noacpi' or 'linux pci=noapci' ...I can't remember....maybe both work?
[11:18] <Mordicus> "linux acpi=off" ! :)
[11:19] <grazie> Mordicus: that's the one :)
[11:20] <cellofellow> how do I get OpenOffice.org to use GTK widgets instead of Swing? I know that it can do that. It does in GNOME and XFCE. I'm using Fluxbox and it uses Swing instead.
[11:22] <darrend> cellofellow: aptitude install openoffice.org-gtk
[11:22] <cellofellow> I have that though
[11:24] <darrend> don't know then - worked for me when I installed that.  do you also have openoffice.org-style-industrial installed?
[11:25] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:25] <darrend> or try blasting your ~/.ooo-2* directories away in case there's some local override
[11:26] <cellofellow> I have all the files in place, and it does work when using xfce4, it's just a matter of loading those files.
[11:39] <cellofellow> darrend: I think that what I NEED is a local override
[11:40] <cellofellow> OOo has no gui option in the preferences for picking which GUI toolkit you want.
[11:54] <Mordicus> 17% without freezing ! :D
[11:55] <Mordicus> Question : does Feisty Fawn for Xubuntu is ready? I see it can be downloaded... O_O
[11:55] <cellofellow> Betas
[11:55] <cellofellow> Alphas
[11:55] <Mordicus> ok :(
[11:56] <Mordicus> what it will change ?
[11:56] <cellofellow> it's not "stable" (declared finished and not going to change) yet.
[12:01] <Mordicus> I mean... which new features with the next release?
[12:02] <cellofellow> xfce4.4 stable, linux 26.20, new artwork. As far as I know that's it.
[12:04] <Mordicus> ok ! :)
[12:04] <Mordicus> BTW... how to install linux driver on Xubuntu ? :/
[12:04] <Mordicus> I found linux drivers for my video card I think...
[12:04] <Mordicus> but I don't know how to install them...
[12:04] <cellofellow> ATI?
[12:05] <Mordicus> no, Trident Blade 3D 8mo Vram
[12:05] <cellofellow> Source code or binary?
[12:05] <Mordicus> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tridentfb/
[12:05] <Mordicus> I don't know :(
[12:05] <cellofellow> sourcecode
[12:05] <Mordicus> Operating System: All POSIX (Linux/BSD/UNIX-like OSes), Linux
[12:06] <cellofellow> on SOURCEforge
[12:06] <Mordicus> yes
[12:06] <Mordicus> Will it work on Xubuntu ?
[12:06] <cellofellow> read their instructions, but search for a debian or ubuntu package first.
[12:06] <cellofellow> it'll involve using make and terminal and setting up files manually.
[12:06] <cellofellow> without a package
[12:07] <Mordicus> :'( I'm lost
[12:08] <grazie> Mordicus: You used the live cd ok, yes?
[12:08] <cellofellow> you sure that that driver isn't in the repositories somewhere?
[12:09] <Mordicus> grazie: yes, till now it sounds OK (25%!)... I use the liveCD but this time I typed "linux acpi=off" in the commande boot line
[12:09] <Mordicus> cellofellow: I am lost in Linux... how to know this ?
[12:10] <cellofellow> !trident
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trident - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <cellofellow> !search trident
[12:10] <ubotu> Found:
[12:10] <cellofellow> :(
[12:10] <cellofellow> doesn't look like it.
[12:11] <grazie> Mordicus: you'll be able to use the same driver on the install and update later if required
[12:11] <cellofellow> manually installing drivers is a pain. It's not like windows. In Windows, the person who made the hardware ships the drivers too. In Linux, the driver had better be either built-in or very easily installed.
[12:11] <cellofellow> From repos
[12:11] <cellofellow> Like nvidia
[12:12] <Mordicus> cellofellow: but it's an old laptop ! :'(
[12:12] <cellofellow> oh
[12:12] <Mordicus> I found nothing here about trident : http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <cellofellow> does the X system in the LiveCD work ok? If it's very old I wouldn't worry about 3D drivers as it shouldn't make much difference.
[12:13] <cellofellow> try searching packages.ubuntu.com or packages.debian.org
[12:14] <grazie> Mordicus: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for Driver to see what the Live CD is using
[12:15] <Mordicus> grazie: my system is installing (26% :s)
[12:15] <grazie> gosh that's slow :(
[12:16] <Mordicus> the CD-rom is slow.....-_-
[12:16] <Mordicus>  found that : http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/xserver-xorg-video-trident
[12:16] <cellofellow> how slow is slow? 1x?
[12:16] <Mordicus> is it mine ,
[12:16] <cellofellow> !xserver-xorg-video-trident
[12:16] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-trident: X.Org X server -- Trident display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.2.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 69 kB, installed size 220 kB
[12:17] <Mordicus> 29%... no it's a DVD-rom ! >_<
[12:17] <Mordicus> probably getting old.......
[12:17] <cellofellow> looks good. It's on the cd I think
[12:17] <Mordicus> so it will be installed automatically ?
[12:20] <grazie> Mordicus: should be, but trident cards can be problematic
[12:21] <Mordicus> there is nothing I can do ?
[12:22] <grazie> Mordicus: make a note of  what's the Driver is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf just in case. Probably best to leave it until the install finishes
[12:22] <Mordicus> ok
[12:23] <grazie> Mordicus: I'd skip the language packs as well if I were you