[03:28] <mtec> - from edubuntu website "Take note though that the Live CD is only a workstation solution and does not contain Edubuntu's server components." does it also not include manuals?
[03:30] <mtec> I tried to launch the Kturtle programing app and read the manual but the default location did not have a file
[03:34] <mtec> was version 6.06
[04:02] <mung107> so do y'all have many big edubuntu deployments out there?
[04:06] <mung107> Bueller?
[05:22] <crazy_bus> I installed edubuntu on a friends computer.  However the screen resolution only goes up to 800x600.  How can I change it to 1280x...? (My xorg.conf contains the correct resolution but the screen resolution changer doesnt seem to detect it)
[05:27] <bimberi> !fixres
[05:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:27] <bimberi> crazy_bus: see if that last link helps
[05:44] <crazy_bus> thanks
[08:45] <highvoltage> btw, edubuntugirl got published in croatia: http://bp1.blogger.com/_pJm17kdllh0/RfcZCMfsacI/AAAAAAAAAB4/QrgVCaifgXQ/s1600-h/jutarnji.jpg
[11:15] <ogra> cbx33, so
[11:23] <cbx33> hey ogra
[11:24] <cbx33> you're...actually here...
[11:24] <cbx33> yes he's real :p
[11:24] <cbx33> what can i do for you bud?
[11:25] <ogra> yeah, apart from having to bury one of my guineapigs which died yesterday and from the meeting tonight i'm all TCM and artwork today
[11:25] <cbx33> aorry to hear that dude
[11:25] <ogra> so what did kwwii say `
[11:25] <ogra> ?
[11:25] <cbx33> we only have one little pig left
[11:25] <ogra> we too
[11:25] <cbx33> well he emailed lisa
[11:25] <ogra> but that'll change again
[11:25] <cbx33> to say...he hasn't got any time
[11:25] <cbx33> and he was going to see you
[11:25] <ogra> ok
[11:25] <ogra> well, he didnt yet
[11:26] <cbx33> that was three days ago
[11:26] <cbx33> he was going to see you "tomorrow"
[11:26] <ogra> given that we need something *today* ...
[11:26] <ogra> as i see it, we need a wallpaper and a splash ...
[11:26] <cbx33> ok
[11:26] <cbx33> well....
[11:26] <ogra> seems i can adapt 5the ubuntu gdm theme
[11:26] <cbx33> you know what's on the palette...
[11:27] <ogra> by just changing the colors
[11:27] <cbx33> tonight I'm going to be really pushed to do anything
[11:27] <ogra> we need a neutral wallpaper
[11:27] <cbx33> i will be making themeeting though
[11:27] <ogra> like the one edgy has
[11:27] <cbx33> ok
[11:27] <cbx33> I will see what I can do
[11:27] <cbx33> I'll try to phone lisa and ask her to put something together
[11:27] <ogra> probably only  a slight vartiation of this one ...
[11:27] <ogra> less saturated, some new elements and the old ones moved a bit
[11:28] <cbx33> ok
[11:28] <cbx33> I'll put that to her
[11:29] <cbx33> can I ask...honestly....would we be better deferring TCM to feisty   1?
[11:29] <ogra> and what would we ship ?
[11:29] <cbx33> scp
[11:29] <ogra> we dont have SCP in the archive anymore
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <ogra> lets look at TCM ... we can cut down features that dont work
[11:30] <cbx33> I'm just worried about the time we have left for testing etc
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <cbx33> in that case it's basically working well
[11:30] <cbx33> grab the bzr repo
[11:30] <ogra> well, we can still fix bugs after beta as long as we dont need to introduce biug chunks of code
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <cbx33> that's cool then
[11:30] <ogra> yeah
[11:31] <ogra> lets focus on the big issues today, if we get them soirted we keep the feature, if not, we disable it
[11:31] <cbx33> ok
[11:31] <ogra> the small issues that are solvable with one two or three line changes can still be fixed
[11:31] <cbx33> VNC
[11:31] <cbx33> is the biggest
[11:31] <cbx33> asaics
[11:31] <ogra> well
[11:32] <cbx33> the password system
[11:32] <cbx33> plus we must sort of the Xsession issue
[11:32] <cbx33> and get rid of my ugly hack
[11:32] <cbx33> which was a suggestion from the ##gnome channel btw
[11:32] <cbx33> not me
[11:32] <ogra> i still have no idea what that Xsession issue is about
[11:33] <ogra> or where to look
[11:33] <cbx33> well....does it help to know what fixed it :p
[11:33] <cbx33> hehe
[11:33] <ogra> to me it seems as if the apps just start to early
[11:33] <cbx33> hmm
[11:33] <cbx33> no
[11:33] <ogra> and dbus isnt up at that time or something
[11:33] <cbx33> from what I heard
[11:33] <cbx33> it's not being started in the dbus session
[11:34] <cbx33> so it's like running in it's own session
[11:34] <ogra> right
[11:34] <ogra> thats what i said above :) the app is started to late to register with a running dbus ...
[11:34] <ogra> err
[11:34] <cbx33> oh right
[11:34] <cbx33> ok
[11:35] <ogra> to early indeed :)
[11:35] <cbx33> sorry
[11:35] <cbx33> so would the solution just be to make it start up after the dbus one?
[11:36] <ogra> doesnt it do that yet ?
[11:36] <cbx33> I can't remember
[11:36] <cbx33> it starts at 80
[11:36] <cbx33> or did
[11:36] <ogra> right and dbus starts at 75
[11:36] <cbx33> i think that's actually after
[11:36] <cbx33> yeh
[11:36] <cbx33> so it should be ok
[11:36] <cbx33> do you remember that bug someone else sent to you
[11:36] <ogra> so either dbus has a delay in startup
[11:37] <ogra> or we need a special way to register in its session
[11:37] <cbx33> yes
[11:37] <ogra> since it works if you start it after login, i suspect it might bethe delay ...
[11:37] <cbx33> possibly
[11:40] <cbx33> so.....can we introduce a wait in the Xsession file?
[11:41] <cbx33> or will that slow down boot up
[11:41] <ogra> uh, no
[11:41] <ogra> find the dbus slowness (if there is one) and fix it
[11:42] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:42] <cbx33> but how does my hack manage to fix it then
[11:42] <ogra> i guess you work arund it ...
[11:42] <ogra> i have to look at that screensaver bug
[11:42] <cbx33> which one is that?
[11:43] <cbx33> I can't do much here at work
[11:43] <cbx33> cos I can't access bzr trees
[11:43] <cbx33> sorry dude
[11:44] <ogra> no http ?
[11:44] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/bugs/82527 btw
[11:50] <cbx33> yes that bug
[11:50] <cbx33> it seems like the same issue
[11:51] <ogra> i very likely is
[11:51] <ogra> seb means we probably miss something form the environment which gets set by gnoe-session
[11:52] <ogra> argh
[11:52] <ogra> when did you drop the LTSP_CLIENT check ?
[11:52] <ogra> i have scp-client's for all my sessions running if ltsp or not
[11:52] <ogra> *no matter if
[12:10] <ogra> cbx33, i think i got it
[12:11] <ogra> the invocation is wrong in the Xsession.d script
[12:12] <ogra> scp-client needs to be adeed to the $STARTUP variable instead of being called directly
[12:12] <ogra> then gnome-session will start it and it will get the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS env variable
[12:23] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:23] <cbx33> ok
[12:23] <cbx33> sorry that was my fault
[12:23] <cbx33> what about gnome-screensaver
[12:25] <ogra> same
[12:26] <cbx33> awesome
[12:26] <cbx33> so you gonna fix gnome-screensaver too?
[12:26] <ogra> i guess the guy on the bug just runs: gnome-screensaver &
[12:26] <ogra> no
[12:26] <cbx33> ah i see
[12:26] <ogra> its not broken
[12:26] <cbx33> ;)
[12:26] <cbx33> so...
[12:26] <ogra> its just the way we start the app :)
[12:26] <cbx33> what are we going to do about VNC
[12:27] <ogra> i havent tested the scp-client thing yet .. give me time to fix and megre ... one thing at a time
[12:27] <cbx33> hehe
[12:27] <cbx33> oh ogra...
[12:27] <cbx33> heheh
[12:27] <cbx33> what did you mean about bzr and http?
[12:27] <cbx33> I can't checkout over http
[12:28] <cbx33> as it uses methods that our firewall blocks
[12:28] <ogra> bzr get http://blah/branch doesnt work ???
[12:29] <ogra> it shouldnt use anything else apart from http for that
[12:31] <cbx33> hmm
[12:31] <cbx33> lemme try
[12:31] <cbx33> if it works....I shall aplogise
[12:31] <ogra> at least for a get that should work
[12:31] <cbx33> ahh
[12:31] <cbx33> maybe I was using checkout
[12:31] <ogra> so you should be able to pull local branches to work with
[12:32] <ogra> well, i rather suspect you used https ;)
[12:32] <cbx33> not sure
[12:50] <cbx33> lol at your last bug comment :p
[01:01] <RichEd> hi cbx33, jsgotangco
[01:01] <jsgotangco> good evening
[01:02] <RichEd> we on for a meeeting today ? ogra ?
[01:07] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[01:11] <ogra> RichEd, edubuntu meeting, yes
[01:11] <ogra> or did you mean a different one ?
[01:16] <RichEd> ogra: yes edubuntu
[01:17] <ogra> yup, 20:00 UTC
[01:20] <RichEd> okay ... thought it was now: /
[01:22] <jsgotangco> 20UTC
[01:22] <jsgotangco> thanks :P
[01:25] <highvoltage> when is it an EC meeting again?
[01:33] <ogra> highvoltage, last week :P
[01:41] <highvoltage> I think I was there last week, but it was a quick meeting with mostly you and cbx33 there
[01:41] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: by the way, morgs told me to tell you '"sudo wait for your CDs!"' 5 minutes and 41 seconds ago (on Wed Mar 14 14:35:15 2007)
[01:41] <highvoltage> hie hie
[01:41] <ogra> why does it need sudo ?
[01:46] <highvoltage> I think he wants to force it somehow :)
[01:49] <cbx33> sudo make me a sandwich
[01:52] <ogra> making sandwich is surely not an admin job
[01:52] <ogra> shouldnt need sudo
[01:52] <ogra> ;)
[01:52] <cbx33> heheh
[01:55] <jsgotangco> you should watch metalocalypse
[01:59] <cbx33> ???
[02:11] <ogra> cbx33, where is the whole history of TCM ? seems you didnt iport the SCP branch properly in https://code.launchpad.net/~petesavage/+branch/tcm/trunk
[02:11] <ogra> i only see three commits ...
[02:18] <cbx333> hey rpereira
[03:13] <rpereira> hey cbx333
[03:13] <rockprincess> howdy friends!
[03:19] <ogra> cbx333, any word about the branch ?
[03:28] <cbx333> no
[03:28] <cbx333> i am taking a class right now
[03:28] <cbx333> it's YouthLUG afternoon
[03:28] <cbx333> so I' ma little tied up
[03:28] <cbx333> hang on
[03:28] <cbx333> just getting IRC in that room
[03:28] <cbx333> I popped back to the office
[03:32] <cbx33> ogra: I here
[03:32] <cbx33> can i ask quickly
[03:32] <ogra> sure
[03:32] <cbx33> X_HORZSYNC
[03:32] <cbx33> X_VERTREFRESH
[03:32] <ogra> but only if you answer my question
[03:32] <cbx33> what do i need to change them to
[03:32] <cbx33> of course
[03:33] <cbx33> well
[03:33] <cbx33> how do i setup for 1024x768 res
[03:34] <ogra> hrm... what about the branch ?
[03:34] <cbx33> what about it
[03:34] <ogra> you need to set the right values from your monitor handbook for them ...
[03:34] <cbx33> ahh ok
[03:34] <ogra> my question i asked 2h ago
[03:34] <cbx33> can i access it?
[03:34] <ogra> 1h, sorry
[03:34] <cbx33> bzr get
[03:34] <cbx33> hehe
 cbx33, where is the whole history of TCM ? seems you didnt iport the SCP branch properly in https://code.launchpad.net/~petesavage/+branch/tcm/trunk
 i only see three commits ...
[03:35] <cbx33> i never saw that.....sorry
[03:35] <cbx33> oh....
[03:35] <ogra> the whole SCP history is missing
[03:35] <cbx33> I think Ie done something youre gonna hit me for
[03:35] <cbx33> we said tcm was a new product....
[03:35] <ogra> nah, i dont hit people :)
[03:35] <cbx33> so i started a new branch
[03:35] <ogra> right
[03:36] <ogra> but TCMs code has a haistory of commits
[03:36] <cbx33> i guess i didn;t know how to do that
[03:36] <ogra> if one day someone points at you and says "you stole our proprietary code, its that snippet here..." and you dont find the author, that gets you into bad license issues
[03:37] <cbx33> right
[03:37] <ogra> well, you should just have branched the scp brnch to a tcm branch
[03:37] <cbx33> ok
[03:37] <cbx33> can i still merge them?
[03:37] <cbx33> I really sorry
[03:37] <ogra> i dont think so, but you can try indeed
[03:37] <ogra> dont worry, its just important that we have it somewhere ...
[03:38] <cbx33> ok
[03:38] <ogra> i'll look over it after release, just dont delete any SCP branches you have
[03:38] <cbx33> well it%u015B at scp
[03:38] <cbx33> yikes sorry bout that...
[03:38] <ogra> it%u015B ? really ?
[03:38] <cbx33> they keyboard layout on edgu edubuntu is screwy
[03:39] <ogra> where ? on the main distro or on the client ?
[03:39] <cbx33> client
[03:39] <cbx33> i can either have UK Dvorak
[03:39] <cbx33> or international with dead keys
[03:39] <cbx33> i want secret option number 3
[03:40] <ogra> well, set it right in lts.conf then :)
[03:40] <lrep> hello, i need help with my ubuntu laptop image.
[03:40] <ogra> in feisty it defaults to the servers keymap and locale
[03:40] <lrep> it's been working fine for 6 month and today when i turn the laptop on
[03:41] <lrep> i got mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: no such device
[03:41] <lrep> i think this error is suggesting that i don't have a harddrive
[03:42] <lrep> any ideas on resolution?
[03:43] <cbx33> hmmm ok ogra
[03:43] <cbx33> I still new to this edubuntu thingy
[03:45] <ogra> ha ha
[03:46] <cbx33> :p
[03:48] <cbx33>           Horizontal: 24kHz - 80kHzFrequency          Vertical: 49Hz - 75Hz
[03:48] <cbx33> ogra that%u015B all i can find
[03:48] <ogra> right, so you got your values
[03:49] <cbx33> i mean it works on 800x600
[03:49] <cbx33> but i want 1024x768
[03:49] <cbx33> how doi figure it out from that
[03:50] <ogra> you dont, get the values from your monitor handbook
[03:51] <cbx33> oh in that case.....there are none
[03:51] <cbx33> it doesnt have them for each mode
[03:51] <cbx33> :(
[03:51] <cbx33> i presume that%u015B what you were thinking of
[03:51] <ogra> google :)
[03:52] <cliebow>  cbx33:dont suppose xvidtune will help huh?
[03:52] <ogra> xvidtune will help if you already run 1024x786
[03:52] <ogra> err 768
[03:53] <cliebow> maybe we should get together and buy Two keyboards
[03:56] <ogra> heh
[03:56] <ogra> i guess i cant stretch my arm long enough to reach it on your desk then :)
[03:57] <cbx33> oi
[03:57] <cbx33> stop taking the micky
[03:58] <cliebow> linuxmint network stuff rocks..switching networks it just autodetects and works
[03:58] <cbx33> is vertsync the same as vertrefresh?
[03:59] <ogra> whats vertsync ?
[03:59] <cbx33> xvidtune gives vert sync
[03:59] <cbx33> X_HORIZSYNC = 60.06X_VERTREFRESH = 75.08
[04:03] <ogra> thats not a range
[04:03] <ogra> VAR=<lowest>-<highest> is a range
[04:04] <ogra> and drop the dots and digits afterwards
[04:05] <cbx33> oh i see
[04:05] <cbx33> ok
[04:05] <cbx33> ahh ok
[04:10] <cliebow> apt=get update works as advertised..y
[04:10] <cliebow> whoops
[04:11] <cliebow> Hey! seems to be on a roll this time
[04:11] <ogra> cliebow, did you see the errors in a client chroot or on the desktop
[04:11] <cliebow> ogra: just an ibook upgrade to feisty..but seems fine now
[04:12] <ogra> ah, ok, thats known, libgnomeui0 was uninstallable for some days
[04:12] <cliebow> Good: i can blame it on someone else
[04:12] <cliebow> 8~)
[04:13] <ogra> yes, the autobuilder who didnt get it built from source :)
[04:20] <cbx333> hehe
[04:20] <cbx333> hello
[04:45] <cbx333> off home
[04:45] <cbx333> backsoon
[06:27] <cbx33> ogra, how goes it?
 i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?
[06:47] <ogra> Seveas, thanks
[06:47] <Seveas> that was nalioth
[06:47] <Seveas> nalioth, thanks a lot :)
[06:48] <nalioth> ogra: Seveas was just the staked goat
[06:48] <ogra> yeah, thanks nalioth
[06:48] <Seveas> ogra, /msg chanserv op #edubuntu
[06:48] <ogra> hmm
[06:48] <ogra> if  /mgs chanserv help would have worked i'd have known :)
[06:49] <nalioth> ogra: what irc client do you use?
[06:49] <ogra> xchat
[06:49] <Seveas> ogra, www.kaarsemaker.net/files/Software/chanserv.py
[06:49] <Seveas> put that in your .xchat2 and you can simply use /cs o
[06:50] <ogra> whee
[06:50] <ogra> cool, thanks :)
[06:50] <nalioth> ogra: yes, use that and read the documentation
[06:50] <Seveas> after placing it in there do /py load chanserv.py
[06:50] <Seveas> (one time thing, it'll be autoloaded when you start xchat)
[06:50] <ogra> * Loaded Chanserv helper 1.0.1 by Seveas <dennis@kaarsemaker.net> :)
[06:52] <Seveas> it can do some more fancy tricks you'll hardly ever need. If curious: first lines of the script are documentation
[07:05] <Burgwork> cbx33: I finally have your chapter from mako and I am looking at it this eveing
[07:07] <nalioth> y'all have fun
[07:15] <ogra> cbx33, hmm, looking at the diff between revision 2 nd 3 in your branch you actually knew the right fix already, you just implemented it wrongly :)
[07:17] <bddebian> Heya
[07:30] <cbx33> ogra, yup
[07:30] <cbx33> i knew i was close
[07:30] <cbx33> but I'md a dumbass
[07:30] <cbx33> I'm out for a while
[07:30] <cbx33> will be here for the meeting
[07:30] <cbx33> Burgwork, cool....anychance I can have a look?
[07:33] <cbx33> take care all
[08:35] <pips1> good evening and howdy
[08:41] <pips1> ogra: when do you expect a 7.04 beta build to be available after the freeze tomorow?
[08:58] <ogra> pips1, just start testing as you like, i386 should be half way fine ... having the isos there is helpful anyway for rsync
[08:59] <pips1> you got a point about having the iso there is helpful anyway for rsync :-) dowloading now
[09:03] <ogra> RichEd-1, meeting ?
[09:04] <RichEd-1> yep ...
[09:45] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd
[09:46] <RichEd> hi HedgeMage ... the folks are all in the meeting room
[09:46] <HedgeMage> ahh
[10:04] <LaserJock> is the meeting over?
[10:05] <cbx33> no
[11:00] <RichEd> ping cbx33
[11:00] <RichEd> chcek your /msg dude
[11:00] <RichEd> *heck
[11:08] <cbx33> RichEd: pm?
[11:17] <cbx33> nn all
[11:20] <tovella> I've been doing a lot of testing of edubuntu with feisty.  so far it's been great until the other day.  I downloaded and installed the 150 or so updates early yesterday morning (i think).  now the sound still works fine at the server, but  has stopped working on the thin clients.  any ideas?
[11:24] <ogra> tovella, what exactly did you update ? the client environment as well ?
[11:26] <bdoin> ogra, I have been told GCompris is no more in edubuntu in Feisty, that's true ?
[11:26] <ogra> no, thats not true
[11:26] <tovella> ogra: not at first, but tried that after loosing the sound.
[11:27] <ogra> its not on the server (former install) CD anymore, but on the liveCD and the server-add-on CD
[11:27] <bdoin> ok great, I think the guy installed the server and did not saw it
[11:28] <bdoin> that makes sense, thanks.
[11:28] <ogra> tovella, can you  check that libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0 and libasound2-plugins are installed on the server ?
[11:28] <tovella> ogra: will do...
[11:28] <ogra> bdoin, well, we moved all big apps to the add-on CD by default
[11:29] <ogra> but aselection of apps like kdeedu and gcompri is used in the live session ...
[11:29] <tovella> ogra: yes, both are intalled.
[11:29] <ogra> usually we advise users with feisty to use the two CD approach with server/server-add-on
[11:29] <bdoin> sure, I should put GCompris on a diet ;)
[11:30] <ogra> well, the world should just switch to 10GB media ;)
[11:30] <ogra> then i could ship half the archive ;)
[11:30] <ogra> tovella, is that happening for all users ?
[11:30] <tovella> ogra: yes
[11:30] <bdoin> don't expect to see this soon in school, they get all the computers nobody want.
[11:31] <ogra> do you currently have access to a client ?
[11:31] <tovella> ogra: yes, using one as we speak.
[11:31] <ogra> bdoin, thats why we decided against a DVD release and for a two CD release, most edubuntu users wont have a DVD writer
[11:32] <ogra> and many wont even have a reader
[11:32] <ogra> tovella, ok, lest set a root password on your clinet and check something on the console
[11:32] <ogra> tovella, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[11:32] <tovella> already done.
[11:33] <tovella> opps. not for the chrooted envir...  hang one.
[11:33] <ogra> ok, can you log in on console n the client and check if pulseaudio is in the processlist ?
[11:34] <ogra> (i wouldnt advise you to set a root pw on your server .... surely not :) )
[11:34] <tovella> ogra: ok, just a sec.
[11:34] <ogra> ususally you also should use SCREEN_07=shell ... but the password methid works without rebooting the client
[11:35] <tovella> ogra: "ps aux |grep pulse" gives me nothing.
[11:35] <ogra> aha
[11:36] <ogra> but you see ldm and friends ? (if you drop the grep pipe)
[11:36] <tovella> ogra:  hang on...
[11:36] <ogra> usually there are only a handfull of pocs running, you dont need to grep
[11:37] <tovella> i've got a lot of processes running.  i don't see "ldm"
[11:38] <ogra> it will be at the end of the line ...
[11:38] <ogra> and start with /usr/bin/python
[11:39] <tovella> ogra: no, i still don't see it there.
[11:39] <ogra> not even with a grep ?
[11:40] <tovella> ogra: nope.
[11:40] <ogra> hmm
[11:40] <ogra> but you are on the clients console, not on the server, right ?
[11:40] <tovella> ogra: yes.
[11:41] <tovella> .. on a thin client.
[11:41] <ogra> how did you log in then ?
[11:41] <ogra> ldm is the login manager of ltsp5
[11:42] <ogra> do you have a lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ?
[11:43] <tovella> ogra: yes.
[11:43] <ogra> can you paste it anywhere ?
[11:43] <tovella> [default] 
[11:43] <tovella>     SOUND=True
[11:43] <tovella>     LOCALDEV=True
[11:43] <tovella>     NBD_SWAP=True
[11:43] <ogra> right that looks ok
[11:43] <ogra> its the default file ltsp-build-client creates
[11:44] <tovella> ogra: thats what i did, after re-installing the server from scratch (ltsp-build-client).
[11:45] <ogra> well, i'm not sure what to say, what did you do to log in on your client if no ldm is there
[11:45] <tovella> ogra: i think they decided to use gdm in fiesty.  ldm shows up as not installed.
[11:45] <ogra> "they" would be me ...
[11:45] <ogra> and i surely didnt drop ldm :)
[11:45] <tovella> ogra: oh.
[11:46] <ogra> it should be installed in the chroot, not o the server
[11:46] <ogra> how did your login screen look like ? what background color did it have ?
[11:46] <ogra> ldm should be white with edubuntu logo atm
[11:47] <tovella> ogra: orange, just like on the server.
[11:47] <ogra> gdm has a yellowish orangeish login
[11:47] <ogra> oh
[11:47] <ogra> hmm
[11:47] <ogra> that shouldnt happen
[11:48] <tovella> ogra: i noticed that when i chrooted, i got nothing from "ps".  i exited back out to the standard shell.
[11:48] <ogra> you need to mount /proc to see anything in ps
[11:49] <ogra> but then you will only see the servers processes indeed ...
[12:00] <tovella> ogra: chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386, i can see that "ldm" is installed.  still, when i pxe-boot the workstation, the login manager looks much like the server - same colors, but different icons for the shutdown and reboot buttons.
[12:00] <tovella> not sure if that helps.
[12:00] <ogra> aha
[12:01] <ogra> does it have a language and session button right under the password entry ?
[12:01] <tovella> i did notice a session button, but i wasn't paying enough attention to recall if there was one for language.
[12:02] <ogra> well, then you are using ldm
[12:02] <tovella> ok, good.
[12:02] <ogra> even though not the latest one with the white bg
[12:02] <ogra> can you check which ldm version that is ?
[12:03] <tovella> ogra: i'll check now..
[12:03] <tovella> ogra: Version: 5.0.1
[12:03] <ogra> yay, i just found a bug, great ... thanks for making me run ltsp-build-client :)
[12:03] <ogra> well, that version is recent
[12:04] <ogra> hmm
[12:04] <ogra> so why doesnt pulse start for you then
[12:04] <tovella> ogra: it may....
[12:05] <tovella> ogra: ...chrooted, i tried "mount /proc /mnt/other", but I don't think I'm doing it correctly.
[12:05] <ogra> no
[12:05] <ogra> mount -t proc proc /proc
[12:05] <tovella> ogra: ahh.
[12:06] <ogra> but that wontr help you ...
[12:06] <ogra> you really eed to be on the client console
[12:06] <tovella> ogra: i still am.
[12:06] <tovella> ogra: after mounting "ps" works (chrooted).
[12:07] <ogra> right, thats the only intresting area
[12:08] <tovella> ogra: still "ps" results in nothing for pulse or ldm
[12:08] <ogra> so try to run pulseaudio manually (it will complain a lot and fail without the right options, but it should at least make an attempt to start)
[12:08] <tovella> ogra: ok.
[12:08] <ogra> as i said before the chroot wont show you *anything*
[12:09] <ogra> only operate on the thin client console
[12:09] <ogra> dont touch the server or X
[12:10] <tovella> ogra: yes, running it manually did exactly what you said - errors, then failed.
[12:10] <ogra> right
[12:10] <ogra> try adding --system
[12:11] <ogra> then it should start (still with errors)
[12:12] <tovella> ogra: nope... did it chrooted... is that how i should have done it?  the first time (without --system) , it seemed to be looking for some files in my home directory - "'/home/ktraglin/.esd_auth': No such file or directory"
[12:13] <ogra> no
[12:13] <ogra> dont touch the server
[12:13] <ogra> only work on the thin client in the console
[12:13] <ogra> dont chroot
[12:13] <ogra> dont touch any X app
[12:13] <ogra> only the console of the client
[12:14] <tovella> ogra: no, the server is in the other room.  i've been doing this from a terminal window.  could that be the problem?
[12:14] <ogra> yes
[12:14] <ogra> with thin client console i mean you need to press ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as root with the PW you have set in the chroot
[12:15] <tovella> oh...sorry.... let me get out ctrl-alt-F1
[12:15] <ogra> if you do anything chrooted it wont affect the client at all
[12:17] <tovella> ogra: now i can see where ldm is running, "pulseaudio --system" still fails.