[12:14] <Lure> if anybody figures out why k3b builds with debuild, but fails in pbuilder he/she gets a couple of drinks from me:http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4576
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Lure: where was the pbuilder log?
[12:17] <Lure> Hobbsee: some of it is here: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/72
[12:17] <Lure> Hobbsee: I lost whole evening on this :-(
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: pbuilder's update,d presumably?
[12:19] <toma> Lure: is that the k3b he released today?
[12:19] <Lure> toma: yes
[12:19] <Lure> toma: it is based on work seaLne did on rc5
[12:20] <Lure> binary packages are here: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/k3b/
[12:20] <Lure> they work for me, just not ready for upload as they do not pass pbuilder test :-(
[12:21] <Hobbsee> heya manchicken__
[12:21] <Lure> I suspect it is some header issue or some automake stuff, but did not find anything suspitious (have even compared log output of pbuilder with debuild run)
[12:21] <manchicken__> howdy
[12:21] <toma> Lure: do you have a link to tha source?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> toma: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4576 probably
[12:22] <Lure> toma: source of what?
[12:22] <toma> thnxs
[12:22] <nixternal> YAY!!!!
[12:22] <nixternal> I DID IT!!!
[12:23] <nixternal> I finally got a fix for the docs...but dinner is calling :)
[12:23] <Lure> nixternal: you rock!
[12:23] <nixternal> hehe thanks
[12:23] <nixternal> hahah
[12:23] <nixternal> brb
[12:23] <Lure> bed is calling here ;-)
[12:23] <Lure> if anybody find something for me about k3b 1.0 pbuilder by morning, it would be great
[01:03] <jjesse> ok i used gparted to resize my ntfs partition, but on install it hangs on configuring boot loader
[01:04] <Riddell> not really my area, best to report a bug on ubiquity, colin is pretty responsive to them
[01:04] <jjesse> ok thanks Riddell
[01:04] <jjesse> also thanks for the suggestion to use gparted
[01:12] <Riddell> Jucato: yo
[01:12] <Riddell> Jucato: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/ ./
[01:12] <Riddell> Jucato: scrap the old one
[01:12] <Jucato> moin Riddell! :)
[01:12] <Jucato> okie dokie
[01:12] <Riddell> Jucato: you may need to wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.6-0ubuntu7really3.5.5_i386.deb; dpkg --install kdelibs4c2a_3.5.6-0ubuntu7really3.5.5_i386.deb
[01:12] <Jucato> lifesavers!!! ugh!
[01:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hola
[01:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you're telling me that i can drown my boss, or something?
[01:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wouldn't that be wonderful? :D
[01:13] <Hobbsee> oh yes!
[01:14] <Hobbsee> just one of them
[01:14] <Jucato> Riddell: which one do I do first? add the new repo and update or download the that deb?
[01:14] <Riddell> Jucato: add to sources.list; apt-get update; wget; dpkg --install; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:14] <Riddell> kdesu adept_manager
[01:14] <Riddell> fetch updates
[01:15] <Jucato> ah I see :)
[01:17] <jjesse> Riddell: would i report a bug against what package on the problems w/ grub?
[01:21] <Riddell> jjesse: if it's a problem during ubiquity report it on ubiquity
[01:22] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks will do
[01:22] <Riddell> hi xerosis
[01:22] <Jucato> yuriy: I'm closing bug 41157 now. the reporter replied that the problem is solved there
[01:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41157 in kde-systemsettings "Disabling arts soundsystem results in sluggish system" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41157
[01:22] <xerosis> hi Riddell :)
[01:40] <xerosis> Riddell: how does someone start hacking on kubuntu?
[01:40] <Riddell> xerosis: find something that annoys them and fix it
[01:41] <Riddell> alternatively find something that needs packaging and package it
[01:42] <Riddell> Jucato: you downloading those packages?
[01:42] <xerosis> how do you get the source, from svn or source from apt*
[01:42] <Jucato> Riddell: I'm stuck at apt-get -f install...
[01:42] <Riddell> xerosis: apt-get source foo
[01:42] <Jucato> Riddell: it won't install kcontrol
[01:44] <Riddell> Jucato: why not?
[01:44] <Jucato> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10291/
[01:45] <Riddell> Jucato: fooey
[01:45] <Riddell> Jucato: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.5.6-0ubuntu13really3.5.5_i386.deb
[01:50] <Jucato> Riddell: ok. doing apt-get dist-upgrade now
[01:50] <kwwii> certainly someone has a nice screenshot of something to do with zeroconf or printer sharing for me?
[01:52] <Riddell> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=zeroconf.png
[01:54] <kwwii> Riddell: maybe you could explain to me what the kbattleships game has to do with zeroconf?
[01:54] <Riddell> kwwii: there's two instances of it running and they both talk to each other magically
[01:55] <Riddell> obviouslly in a real situation they'd be on different machines with different users
[01:55] <Riddell> but for the screenshot they're on the same screen with the same user
[01:55] <kwwii> unfortunately, that would come across poorly at 150 pixels
[01:56] <Riddell> and konqueror in the background is browsing some web and ssh shares with zerocof
[01:59] <kwwii> hrm, this sucks
[01:59] <kwwii> the thing should go live tomorrow
[01:59] <kwwii> and this is the last screenshot
[02:00] <kwwii> what does zeroconf even do?
[02:01] <Riddell> it lets your browse the network for services
[02:01] <Riddell> such as file shares or battleship games people want to play
[02:05] <kwwii> so if I was in a network with these services I would see them in my browser...how do I turn such services on?
[02:07] <Riddell> kwwii: right click on folder -> properties -> sharing -> share this folder on the web tickbox
[02:07] <Jucato> here goes nothing....
[02:07] <Riddell> Jucato: what version of kdelibs4c2a do you have installed?
[02:07] <kwwii> Riddell: I have several shared with SMB like that
[02:08] <Jucato> Riddell: 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu7really3.5.5
[02:08] <Riddell> Jucato: groovy
[02:08] <Riddell> Jucato: go with adept
[02:08] <Jucato> yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:08] <Riddell> kwwii: smb is a kind of zeroconf (from microsoft), avahi/rendezvous/bonjour/dnssd is another
[02:08] <Riddell> Jucato: what what?
[02:09] <Jucato> it didn't crash, and it automatically closed Adept after launching :D
[02:09] <Jucato> I'm now at the "Third party sources disabled" :D
[02:09] <Riddell> ok, that's all good
[02:10] <Jucato> very very good :)
[02:10] <bddebian> SMB is like zeroconf?
[02:11] <bddebian> SMB is a protocol, is it not?
[02:11] <Jucato> Riddell: the dialog box doesn't resize to the original size when you click on Hide Terminal. just a minor thing :)
[02:12] <Jucato> but it's working. that's the major thing :D
[02:12] <Jucato> ("About 1 minutes remaining" btw)
[02:12] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, with built in zeroconf
[02:12] <Riddell> Jucato: what stage is it at?
[02:12] <Jucato> Modifying the software channels
[02:13] <Jucato> it's the one w/ the black arrow, so I'm presuming that's the current stage?
[02:13] <bddebian> Riddell: OK, fair enough :-)
[02:13] <Jucato> Riddell: but it's Fetching stuff... so shouldn't the black arrow be at Fetching and installing upgrades?
[02:14] <Riddell> it'll give you a big warning before it starts fetching packages
[02:14] <Jucato> ah
[02:14] <Jucato> "About 1 seconds remaining" also :)
[02:14] <kwwii> Riddell: so if I show a window with smb:/ it is ok? (remember this is for the main webpage))
[02:15] <Riddell> kwwii: with  zeroconf:/ is better
[02:15] <Riddell> since we like to promote the standards over the microsoft way
[02:15] <kwwii> Riddell: but that only shows boring ftp and ssh stuff that does not even exist :-(
[02:15] <Riddell> so publish something
[02:16] <Riddell> tick the share on web box
[02:16] <kwwii> ahhh, share on the web
[02:17] <kwwii> didn't get the web part
[02:18] <kwwii> now if I could kill the google bar....
[02:20] <Jucato> Riddell: upgrading now. 17 hours.... probably when you wake up later it's done :D
[02:21] <kwwii> I could use it :-)
[02:23] <Jucato> google bar where?
[02:24] <kwwii> in konqi
[02:25] <kwwii> I want to get rid of it, but I do not think that is possible
[02:25] <Riddell> Jucato: excellent, make a note on 84717 with your results
[02:26] <kwwii> at least if the printer sharing thing was easy to show
[02:26] <Jucato> kwwii: Settings -> COnfigure Extensions -> uncheck the Search bar plugin?
[02:26] <kwwii> lol
[02:26] <kwwii> thanks
[02:27] <Jucato> :)
[02:27] <kwwii> since I plugged my printer in, the systemsettings-->printer interface is dead :-(
[02:27] <yuriy> i guess i'll test the dist-upgrade this weekend
[02:28] <Jucato> :)
[02:28] <Jucato> yuriy: saw the bug I marked as Fix Released?
[02:29] <yuriy> Jucato: you really don't have to report to me ;)
[02:29] <kwwii> brb
[02:29] <Jucato> I don't? heheh :)
[02:29] <Jucato> yuriy: but since you were the one who last touched it, and you're online, I thought I'd inform you :D
[02:38] <kwwii> rotfl...you can turn off the google bar, but when you go to somewhere like zeroconf:/ or smb:/ is comes back :p
[02:39] <bddebian> eviiil
[02:39] <kwwii> that darn google bar hates me
[02:40] <firephoto> kwwii: that's the quick search bar (or whatever it's called) not google. heh, takes up the same space though.
[02:42] <kwwii> :-)
[02:51] <yuriy> Jucato: could you check bug 74583 again? works for me.
[02:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583
[02:51] <yuriy> although there's a different bug there
[02:57] <Jucato> yuriy: when I get to edgy I will. But I think Tonio_ fixed that (and other kcontrol module bugs too)
[03:02] <yuriy> hey claydoh
[03:02] <yuriy> claydoh, Jucato: do you know what's with kfn?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> meh, edgy.  :P
[03:02] <Jucato> yuriy: I'm clueless as well
[03:02] <claydoh> so am I
[03:02] <Jucato> Hobbsee: currently dist-upgrading to feisty :D
[03:02] <claydoh> and clueless about kfn as well :)
[03:03] <claydoh> I should have emailed hi, but I haven't, will do so now
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: woo!
[03:03] <claydoh> if i can find his email
[03:04] <claydoh> we kfn admins don't chat too much
[03:04] <Jucato> he's online in Yahoo. what timezone is he in? (don't want to disturb him that much)
[03:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah! one big w00t!! dist-upgrade tool finally working. kudos to Riddell of course :)
[03:05] <claydoh> its us, so most likely -4 or -5 utc
[03:05] <claydoh> tho he ususlly is afk
[03:05] <Jucato> ah then he's probably awake
[03:05] <claydoh> ya
[03:05] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:05] <Jucato> claydoh: zackman2002@yahoo.com
[03:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: when? feisty+1? :D
[03:06] <claydoh> ty, just fired up kopete
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hopefully not that long away
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but i'm back at uni now :(
[03:06] <Jucato> aw...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> are they fixed in the same way?
[03:09] <Jucato> no...
[03:10] <Jucato> bug 60379
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60379 in kde-systemsettings "(Kubuntu) KDE system settings list of problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60379
[03:10] <Jucato> 3 separate issues... one of them has been fixed since KDE 3.5.5...
[03:10] <Jucato> er make that 4 issues...
[03:11] <yuriy> Jucato: whoops i should read comments more carefully.. or maybe we posted at the same time
[03:12] <Jucato> yuriy: which one? about the system settings kdmtheme bug?
[03:12] <yuriy> no, command shortcuts
[03:12] <Jucato> ah
[03:13] <Jucato> yeah we posted at the same time... :)
[03:14] <Jucato> yuriy: I know that it has been fixed because I remember complaining about that and asking Hobbsee to confirm the bug in KDE 3.5.4 :D
[03:14] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:14] <yuriy> Jucato: mark fixed then.
[03:15] <Jucato> yuriy: I did... but then you changed it lol :D
[03:16] <yuriy> oops sorry. lauchpad should learn concurrency :P
[03:16] <Jucato> yeah.. I was thinking about that
[03:17] <yuriy> admin of kfn is in -4 utc? interesting, where?
[03:18] <claydoh> Jucato: OS has someone admin for him if he's away on duty, but I don't have any contact info
[03:18] <claydoh> kewl
[03:18] <Jucato> i am getting all sorts of error messages. i think the database may be corrupt
[03:18] <Jucato> and I don't have FTP access, cause the password got reset. i am trying to get a hold of my friend who owns the server
[03:19] <Jucato> claydoh, yuriy: from Open Source ^^^
[03:19] <claydoh> :(
[03:19] <Jucato> btw, he's on CST
[03:20] <claydoh> ya, but with daylight savings I couldn't think which way the timezone changed
[03:20] <yuriy> CST is -5 now
[03:20] <Jucato> :D
[03:20] <Jucato> silly DST :P
[03:20] <claydoh> and i am -4
[03:20] <claydoh> yes its silly
[03:21] <yuriy> EST ftw
[03:21] <Jucato> PHT ftw!! (no DST!!)
[03:23] <claydoh> we should make it more complicated, Maine should join Atlantic time zone just for giggles
[03:24] <jjesse> man this hotel internet suckis
[03:24] <Jucato> ooh hotels :)
[03:24] <jjesse> i've never had so many problems w/ hotel internet
[03:25] <jjesse> it is sooooo slow
[03:25] <Jucato> one hotel I went to (where a FOSS conference was held) was charging US$ 8 per hour of wifi, and US$ 20 per 24 hours... the last one is equivalent to a month's bill for my DSL :D
[03:26] <jjesse> Jucato: been there done that
[03:26] <Jucato> is that a normal rate there?
[03:26] <jjesse> not really, it all depends on where you are staying and what service is being used
[03:27] <Jucato> aaah
[03:27] <jjesse> i'v e noticed that marriot, actuall marriott hotels charge money
[03:28] <jjesse> where some of the different branded hotels don't
[03:31] <nixternal> most hotels are free, at least the ones I stay in
[03:32] <jjesse> i've found that most of the hotels that i'm at for confrnecs cost money for internet
[03:32] <nixternal> I am this close() to getting the docs repackaged and working no matter what you have installed
[03:32] <jjesse> exi9t
[03:32] <Jucato> nixternal: nice! :)
[03:32] <nixternal> so far it works if ubuntu-docs are installed...but if the 7.04-2 kubuntu-docs are installed, it breaks the alternatives
[03:33] <nixternal> so now I have an if statement in the postinst trying to clean that up
[03:56] <yuriy> dot articles are so heated these days
[03:56] <Jucato> heh...
[04:10] <yuriy> is the wineconfig icon showing up for anyone?
[04:11] <firephoto> not here
[04:12] <Jucato> yuriy: in system settings on feisty?
[04:12] <firephoto> wow, this is the first time I've clicked on that icon (lack of), nice work for configuring wine.
[04:13] <yuriy> firephoto: i'm sure you'll get less excited soon.. especially if that icon i made is put in
[04:13] <Jucato> O.o
[04:14] <firephoto> it's not "sexy" like that new ubuntu splash is it? heh
[04:14] <yuriy> i wonder why it's not showing up though
[04:14] <Jucato> yuriy: I'm considering filing bug 67016 upstream
[04:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67016 in kde-systemsettings "Typo: "Users Folders" should be "Users' Folders"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67016
[04:15] <yuriy> Jucato: yep. confirmed/low/upstream
[04:16] <firephoto> Jucato: but that links to /home where all the users are shown ?
[04:16] <firephoto> plural, not ownership
[04:16] <Jucato> yuriy: it's already been filed?
[04:16] <yuriy> Jucato: dunno, search
[04:16] <Jucato> firephoto: actually I'm going to suggest "User Folders"
[04:16] <yuriy> firephoto: i think it's plural and ownership
[04:17] <yuriy> Jucato: also, that's kdebase not systemsettings
[04:18] <Jucato> yeah thinking about that too..
[04:18] <Jucato> I can't find any upstream bug...
[04:18] <yuriy> can someone else check bug 61475?
[04:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61475 in kde-guidance "Disk & Filesystems sees swap with uuid disabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61475
[04:19] <yuriy> (on feisty)
[04:19] <Jucato> heh can't check :P
[04:20] <firephoto> yuriy: i show swap enabled there.
[04:23] <Jucato> yuriy, claydoh: KFN seems to be back up :D
[04:24] <claydoh> yay!
[04:29] <Jucato> yuriy: bug 65121 should be rejected... but you're more diplomatic when it comes to these things :D
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65121 in kde-systemsettings "default if "single-click" to open files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65121
[04:30] <yuriy> er i'll try
[04:31] <Jucato> :D
[04:52] <yuriy> whoa kxgenerator looks sweet
[04:54] <Jucato> hmm
[06:02] <nixternal> kubuntu-docs package is fixed and 100% awesome as all hell - closing 2 bugs with 1 patch
[06:03] <Jucato> :D
[06:03] <Jucato> congrats nixternal! :D
[06:03] <Jucato> and in a few hours, I'm going to see those :) (probably)
[06:07] <nixternal> thanks!
[06:16] <nixternal> Riddell: I am attaching the debdiff to bugs 91749 and 91927 so you can grab and upload for kubuntu-docs. It is a hot damn good ol' patch :)
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91749 in kubuntu-docs "file confict with ubuntu-docs" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91749
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91927 in kubuntu-docs "Old doc directories not empty/deleted on upgrade" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91927
[06:26] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/   <- here is the update package for kubuntu-docs. tested and rocks hardcore now!
[06:28] <abattoir> hi nixternal, Ubugtu :)
[06:28] <nixternal> hiya abattoir
[06:29] <abattoir> bad Jucato
[06:30] <Jucato> :D
[06:30] <abattoir> :)
[06:30] <nixternal> he brought me bad news yesterday
[06:30] <nixternal> took me 24 hours to fix ;/
[06:30] <nixternal> but a good portion of 24 hours was sleep and school
[06:31] <Jucato> baad Ubugtu
[06:31] <nixternal> hehe
[06:31] <nixternal> I am 110% sure though that the issue is fixed
[06:31] <Jucato> :D
[06:31] <nixternal> if my buddy comes back and says he has an issue with it, I told him it was his fault
[06:32] <Jucato> hahah
[06:32] <nixternal> the next package will be translations, that is the scary one
[10:23] <freeflying>  How to mark a bug as duplicate?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> freeflying: mark as duplicate, on the left, then enter the bug #
[10:27] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks :)  I'd learn how to use launchpad now
[10:28] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[10:30] <Jucato> yes... learning how to use LP is like learning how to use a new OS :P
[10:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:38] <Hobbsee> try the beta
[10:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm going over some of the bugs assigned to Kubuntu Team... they're really old... :/
[10:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you have any idea on what to do with bug 30640
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30640 in kdebase "displayed progress not correct when copying files to an usb stick" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30640
[11:10] <Jucato> how long does kdesu remember the password?
[11:20] <larsivi> ehm, seems like printing stopped working in feisty - thinking about it - it's been this way since last thursday - just didn't have to print again till now
[11:20] <larsivi> it worked immediately after I dist-upgraded which was wednesday
[11:24] <larsivi> my installed printers have a red cross above them and status message "Stopped (accepting jobs)" - but no other message that they don't work
[11:24] <larsivi> Trying to install a new, only SMB and Other types are available
[11:26] <larsivi> it actually tels me pages are successfully sent to the printer, which they're not
[11:29] <larsivi> well, I can "start" the printer and the cross disappears, but print jobs are stopped with status "Held back"
[11:33] <Riddell> Jucato: what news?
[11:33] <Jucato> still downloading :(
[11:33] <Jucato> sifting through the Kubuntu Team bugs in the meantime...
[11:36] <Riddell> wow
[11:36] <Jucato> heh 512kbps :(
[11:36] <Riddell> I remember, back in the day, when that was a fast connection
[11:37] <Jucato> heh around here... it's still fast :)
[11:38] <Tm_T> ~60 kbps <3
[11:38] <larsivi> still pushed as broadband in places :)
[11:39] <Jucato> hehe
[11:42] <larsivi> also the i18n update removed today ruined the region settings (setting back to english)
[11:42] <larsivi> s/removed//
[11:42] <Riddell> Lure: did you track down the crash in strigi?
[11:47] <Jucato> anyone w/ bug changing powers change bug 37173 from wishlist to bug?
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37173 in kdebase "drkonqi - Doesn't allow to save on media:/ - Says it's remote" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37173
[11:48] <Riddell> that's not a wishlist
[11:48] <larsivi> presumably the print problem will be fixed in the next cups update - bug 91382
[11:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91382 in cupsys "Lpd networking printing problems" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91382
[11:48] <Riddell> ah, I misread you
[11:48] <Riddell> changed
[11:49] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks :)
[11:49] <Riddell> larsivi: what print problems?
[11:49] <larsivi> Riddell: you don't see the log from about 20-30 minutes back?
[11:50] <Riddell> larsivi: no, but I have now
[11:50] <Riddell> Jucato: go
[11:50] <imbrandon> moins all
[11:50] <Jucato> moin imbrandon!
[11:50] <Jucato> Riddell: have you seen KDE bug 136894
[11:50] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136894 in general "Kdesu don't check for temporary-saved sudo password" [Wishlist,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136894
[11:50] <Riddell> an early rise from imbrandon
[11:51] <Riddell> Jucato: I'm aware of the issue
[11:51] <Jucato> *very* early
[11:51] <Riddell> it's hard to fix
[11:51] <Jucato> ah ok.
[11:51] <Jucato> how long does kdesu remember the password btw?
[11:51] <Riddell> it doesn't, sudo does
[11:52] <Jucato> er... that bug is a bit different.. kdesu *does* remember the password now.. but it's a bit quirky
[11:52] <Jucato> it remembers the password but still asks you for it... so the second time it asks you, you can just enter any password or none at all, and it will still work
[11:52] <Riddell> yes
[11:53] <imbrandon> wow , nice bug
[11:53] <Jucato> ok :)
[11:58] <larsivi> Riddell: doing the routine described in that bug (removing and reinstalling cupsys) let me reinstall the printer - so I think I'm ok for now
[12:15] <Jucato> anyone know _StefanS_ LP name/account? (shame I don't know his real name.. :( )
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'll bet the bugs are old.  to be assigned to the kubuntu team, they've got to be old.
[12:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah. working my way through some. some are valid though like that one I filed upstream
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30640 would likely be a dupe of the not showing the unmount progress dialogue - or similar
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30640 in kdebase "displayed progress not correct when copying files to an usb stick" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 
[12:22] <Riddell> Jucato: https://launchpad.net/~skotten
[12:23] <Jucato> thanks :)
[12:27] <_StefanS_> yuriy: hey, could you close https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/83968 ?
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83968 in kdebase "New KDE Logout window has no possibily to choose kernel version to boot from" [Undecided,In progress] 
[12:27] <_StefanS_> yuriy: it has been fixed a while ago
[12:28] <Jucato> hey _StefanS_! :)
[12:28] <Jucato> I was just looking for you earlier :P
[12:28] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[12:28] <_StefanS_> ow, I saw you assigned a bug to me
[12:28] <Jucato> two actually :D
[12:28] <_StefanS_> I'm working on kdesu dialog now
[12:28] <Jucato> but will the fade effect be configurable, btw?
[12:29] <_StefanS_> yes, I just hope I can get it workin' ;)
[12:29] <_StefanS_> on/off
[12:29] <Jucato> ah kool!
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yay, fade :)
[12:29] <_StefanS_> like the other stuff i've done, the options are always able to be defaulted
[12:29] <_StefanS_> :)
[12:30] <Jucato> but as long as they can be turned on/off, people can be satisfied :D
[12:30] <_StefanS_> yep exactly.. then we please the picky ones too ;)
[12:31] <Jucato> hehe
[12:32] <_StefanS_> heh ghostbusters theme is on sky.fm now
[12:32] <_StefanS_> back to the coding..
[12:32] <Jucato> heh
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: let the man eat :)
[12:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:39] <Hobbsee> nah...
[12:40] <_StefanS_> well the fade stuff compiles now... thats a start
[12:41] <_StefanS_> lets see how much it actually works .. heh
[12:41] <Hobbsee> woo!  :)
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you notice kicker crashing in the latest kdebase*ubuntu14 ?
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: or maybe its my system  ..
[12:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it just crashed for me
[12:41] <Riddell> what could cause that?
[12:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok . . what was changed since 13 ?
[12:42] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: How much space is needed for the edgy_to_feisty_dist-upgrade_tool_test_chroot?
[12:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: nothing in kicker as far as I can mind
[12:43] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: up to 4GB I'd guess
[12:43] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what about that mime-stuff, did that go into 14 ?
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe its a lookup of some sort that goes wrong..
[12:44] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Looks good:
[12:44] <rbrunhuber> /dev/mapper/lvmgroup1-rootvol
[12:44] <rbrunhuber>                       9.9G  3.5G  6.0G  37% /
[12:44] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: please test, we need all the testing we can get
[12:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: which mime stuff?
[12:44] <dinosaur-rus> I can't get cupsys updated correctly
[12:45] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: known bug
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wasn't there some  updates to the device icons ? I can't remember who was talking about it yesterday
[12:45] <Hobbsee> and hooray, none of us deal with cupsys
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: through /usr/share/mimetypes or something
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: other than that, I dont have a clue/idea as to what is causing it
[12:45] <Riddell> fdoving was talking about mimetypes but nothing that got uploaded
[12:46] <_StefanS_> oh..
[12:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any way I can debug that for you ?
[12:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I have a fresh feisty without the updates on
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm creating a restore point, and putting the updates on it... maybe its visible somewhere
[12:47] <Riddell> restore point?
[12:47] <_StefanS_> err snapshot
[12:47] <_StefanS_> :)
[12:48] <Riddell> how do you do that?
[12:48] <_StefanS_> in vmware
[12:48] <Riddell> clever
[12:48] <_StefanS_> yep.. very useful
[12:48] <_StefanS_> I could even copy to a new one, and diff the directories over ssh  :)
[12:48] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: ohhh...
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm keeping vmware images of [k] ubuntu 6.0.6, 6.10, feisty around always if you ever need some information / investigate issues between the releases
[12:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: have you tested the dist upgrader?
[12:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope, not yet - I wanted to give that kdesu a try before time was running out
[12:51] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: do you want to say that with the latest updates people got partially broken system and nobody can fix that?
[12:51] <Riddell> ok, please do when you can, we need lots of dist upgrade results
[12:52] <_StefanS_> yep sure thing
[12:52] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: assuming you're meaning feisty?  someone will fix it, they're not in this channel
[12:53] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: yes, I'm on Feisty since Herd 3 :))
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: this is just sweet... 1500kb/s on my connection :D
[12:54] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: then just wait, the guy who broke it will fix it
[12:54] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: you suck.  :P
[12:55] <_StefanS_> hehe
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how's your load time for the beta, btw - is it taking 25 seconds to load bugs to a usuable state?
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: maybe I could sell some bandwidth ? :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: nah... I think I will keep it for myself
[12:55] <_StefanS_> :D
[12:56] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: I hope he'll fix his fault soon :))
[12:57] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: likely.  it's https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205 if you wanted to subscribe to it
[12:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:57] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: FYI, new bugs are listed in #ubuntu-bugs, so it's easy to see what's coming in
[12:57] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I was actually thinking about upgrading to 20mbit instead.. it would give me 2mb/s ;) - and the price aint too much higher
[12:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:58] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: see when new bugs are coming in? :))
[12:58] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: yes
[12:59] <dinosaur-rus> Hobbsee: :D
[01:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm cloning a copy of edgy now, so I can run the upgrader while compiling ..
[01:11] <Tonio_> hey
[01:11] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_!
[01:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[01:12] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_
[01:12] <_StefanS_> show me the money ! :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> money ? ;)
[01:13] <_StefanS_> just kidding, you dont owe me anything hehe
[01:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how are you doing ?
[01:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fine and you ?
[01:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: doing alright, getting fatter, drinking ever more coffee
[01:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does your kicker crash with the latest updates ?
[01:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not here no
[01:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wierd . .
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Riddell's got that error also
[01:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: get a kicker crash every boot ?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> mine doesnt
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah well
[01:17] <Tonio_> hum...... tried to remove your kickerrc ?
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: only when I try to use something in the kicker
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope I havent
[01:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I use a default kicker on my machine, nothing changed from the default, and it looks okay here
[01:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I will try to remove kickerrc, and see what that does
[01:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay
[01:19] <_StefanS_> I'm curious.. when for instance linux-restricted-modules is upgraded, where do I find the changelog ?
[01:20] <_StefanS_> I can never seem to figure out the navigation in launchpad
[01:21] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: aptitude changelog sourcepackage
[01:21] <_StefanS_> ow thanks
[01:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: does the distupgrader need to be tested with kde-3.5.6 ?
[01:25] <Riddell> _StefanS_: either
[01:25] <_StefanS_> ok
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[01:27] <Tonio_> lots of papers to write today
[01:27] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: new appartment?  nice!
[01:28] <Lure> Riddell: strigi was fixed and debdiff's attached to UVFe bugs, still no approval
[01:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes and I'm now officialy engaged with my girlfriend since this morning
[01:28] <Lure> Riddell: any idea regarding k3b pbuilder failure?
[01:28] <Tonio_> kind of wedding, specific in france, called "pacs"
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay!  :)
[01:29] <Riddell> Lure: none at all, it's a mystery
[01:29] <Lure> :-(
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: tried poking with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ?
[01:29] <Riddell> Lure: might be an idea just to compile it without that directory
[01:29] <Jucato> Hobbsee: not using LP beta.... :)
[01:29] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll care to look at it tomorrow, I'll not have time for this today, I have to go drink champain with our friends ;)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm working that thru with SteveA now, to find out why it's so dodgy
[01:34] <Lure> Riddell: strigi changes will be taken by fabo into debian and we can just sync then
[01:36] <Riddell> Lure: i might just upload today so it's in for beta
[01:36] <Jucato> yay! 10% to go...
[01:52] <dinosaur-rus> hooray, fix for cupsys bug should be available soon!
[01:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the upgrader is running now .. I have some notes to the instructions though. I will make a comment on the bug in launchpad
[01:59] <Jucato> yay _StefanS_ :)
[02:00] <Jucato> btw, you're using VMWare to test Feisty?
[02:00] <_StefanS_> yep I am
[02:00] <Jucato> er...
[02:00] <abattoir> hi everyone :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir!
[02:00] <_StefanS_> gotta pickup my car.. be back in an hour ..
[02:01] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee
[02:07] <dinosaur-rus> hm... why is there beryl-manager package without beryl-core?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: because the rest failed the licence test
[02:09] <Jucato> is beryl now in feisty repos?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: and no one's submitted a fixed version
[02:09] <Hobbsee> no
[02:09] <Jucato> (good)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it wont be, until they fix their licences, and dont ship precompiled shaders without sources.
[02:10] <Jucato> oh
[02:10] <Jucato> tsk tsk :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:10] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:12] <dinosaur-rus> what licensing problems are present with GPL? :)
[02:17] <dinosaur-rus> well, nevermind :P
[02:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you use knetworkmanager right?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[02:34] <Jucato> wanna take a look at bug 74758?
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74758 in knetworkmanager "kubuntu feisty no network manager" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74758
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sounds to me like knetworkmanager isnt starting in the default session
[02:36] <Hobbsee> which i think tonio_ had some trouble with
[02:36] <Jucato> ah
[02:37] <kwwii> Riddell: when will the next kubuntu-default-settings come out?
[02:38] <Jucato> heh... now I have 2 more questions for tonio when he gets back :)
[02:40] <Jucato> what's the meta-kde package for?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato:
[02:41] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ showsrc meta-kde | grep Binary
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Binary: kde-devel, kde, kde-amusements, kde-core
[02:41] <Jucato> ah....
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh no, what is it?
[02:42] <Jucato> nah just a simple, misplaced wishlist
[02:42] <Jucato> bug 74758
[02:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74758 in knetworkmanager "kubuntu feisty no network manager" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74758
[02:42] <Jucato> eer.. not that..
[02:42] <Jucato> bug 3421
[02:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3421 in meta-kde "Feed list should be sortable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3421
[02:42] <Jucato> sheesh! sometimes I hate this copy-paste thing...
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: --> akregator upstream
[02:43] <Jucato> yeah... I have to file one upstream? :(
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep.  in fact, i thougth that was already in kdepim.  oh well
[02:44] <Jucato> nope... I checked... :(
[02:44] <Jucato> Twirl-a-squirrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLiasdJeoo :D
[02:46] <Tm_T> Hmm, looks like TTY has lost umlauts from its font.
[02:47] <Tm_T> In feisty.
[02:48] <Tm_T> OR it's keymap issue.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i cant find out where to change the autoaway though, for some reason.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> oh, found it
[02:52] <Jucato> :P :)
[02:52] <Jucato> er....
[02:52] <Hobbsee> f8
[02:53] <Tm_T> Hmm, it's not keymap issue, interesting.
[02:53] <Jucato> or Server List -> Edit -> Identity Edit -> Away tab :)
[02:53] <Jucato> er.. Settings -> Identity lol!
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: often the system freeze bugs will be due to the xorg-server bug that got fixed in feisty, but hastn been fixed in edgy
[03:02] <Jucato> ah... what would be the factors involved? OpenGL screensavers?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: meh.  cant find the bug report now, i thought it was for xorg-server.   bug was when xorg-xserver-core tried to reference a pointer to NULL, or whatever it is
[03:10] <Jucato> oh ok..
[03:17] <Jucato> yay! finally installing the upgrades!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:21] <xerosis> a question for people: for those that have one stable, one unstable kubuntu (or similar) is the stable run on a desktop and the unstable on a laptop or vice-versa? (bad sentence i know...)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i dual boot.  tripple boot, actually
[03:22] <xerosis> Hobbsee: you're no use :p
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:22] <xerosis> am just getting a laptop soon and wondering which to use for hacking
[03:25] <Hobbsee> both?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> 2 machines for testing == better than 1
[03:25] <xerosis> it never occured to me... *embarrassed face*
[03:26] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:27] <xerosis> i'm thinking of a macbook, am i wrong in the head?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> xerosis: ppc or i386a?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> -a
[03:30] <xerosis> i396 :)
[03:30] <xerosis> damn
[03:30] <xerosis> *i386 even
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:33] <xerosis> they're all purdy...
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[03:43] <neutraloss> did cupsys happen to break for anyone?
[03:44] <dinosaur-rus> neutraloss: known bug
[03:45] <Hobbsee> bug 99025
[03:45] <Hobbsee> drat, remembered it wrong
[03:45] <neutraloss> thanks :)
[03:45] <dinosaur-rus> 92205
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:45] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: right, you're in charge of marking all the dupes that are coming into #ubuntu-bugs then :)
[03:46] <Jucato> lol
[03:46] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[03:46] <neutraloss> is there a bot in the bug channel for looking up bugs?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Ubugtu, yes
[03:47] <Hobbsee> [01:40]  <Ubugtu> New bug: #92243 in Ubuntu "invoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "start" failed. - Fiesty (Herd 5)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92243
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92243 in Ubuntu "invoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "start" failed. - Fiesty (Herd 5)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:47] <Hobbsee> tha talso needs to be marked as a dupe of 92205
[03:47] <Jucato> :)
[03:48] <dinosaur-rus> shame on bugreporters who make dupes :P
[03:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:48] <Hobbsee> shame on bugreporters who get the right packages, but dont actually search!
[03:48] <Hobbsee> it's the top bug listed - it's RIGHT THERE!
[03:49] <Jucato> :)
[04:01] <nixternal> good mornin'
[04:01] <Jucato> 45% to go...
[04:01] <nixternal> Riddell: did you see that I fixed the kubuntu-docs?
[04:04] <dinosaur-rus> 92254 -- another dupe :))
[04:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the dist upgrade tool crashed on me ..
[04:05] <Jucato> O.o
[04:05] <Jucato> at what part?
[04:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: It keeps a "Form3" open, and I can't get to the error messages in the crash report ;(
[04:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: must be the last part of it, I will have to run it again since I didn't see it happening
[04:06] <Jucato> ouch... ok...
[04:07] <_StefanS_> I'm just rewinding to the previous snapshot ..
[04:07] <Jucato> hehe nice way to test feisty releases :)
[04:08] <_StefanS_> yeah
[04:08] <Jucato> but I'm (hopefully) getting a laptop next week so... :)
[04:08] <_StefanS_> press play on tape, and we're back where we started ;)
[04:08] <kwwii> ok, question on everyone:
[04:09] <kwwii> should we change the color scheme and stuff to blue instead of purple?
[04:10] <_StefanS_> err... food?
[04:10] <_StefanS_> actually when I booted dapper I really liked that theme more than the current purple ..
[04:10] <Jucato> yum...
[04:11] <_StefanS_> ah donno
[04:11] <Jucato> I guess being KDE'ers.. we're mostly used to blue
[04:11] <Jucato> kwwii: you're not exactly getting the answers you need, are you? :(
[04:11] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yay, purple :D
[04:12] <_StefanS_> kwwii: why not a completely other color ? suggestions ?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: PINK!!!
[04:12] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: oh please :)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> or green :)
[04:12] <_StefanS_> green  is better then, but now we're getting into SuShi territory
[04:12] <yuriy> it's purple? i consider the color now still blue. just more original than regular old blue
[04:12] <_StefanS_> eh SuSE
[04:12] <Hobbsee> PONIES!!
[04:12] <kwwii> actually it is blue, not purple
[04:13] <_StefanS_> kwwii: screenshots for comparision.. pictures say more than words
[04:13] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: most of kde is blue.  yet we're considering blue.  yet we dont consider green, just because suse is?
[04:13] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Correct.
[04:13] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: do I sound stupid now ? :D
[04:13] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: nah... :P
[04:13] <_StefanS_> blue is good for you
[04:14] <abattoir> wasn't kwwii the one who created the green themes for Suse?
[04:14] <nixternal> Cupsys issue with the latest updates?
[04:15] <sebas> abattoir: Yes, that's why he totally loves green themes :-)
[04:15] <sebas> Kenneth World War II Loves Green Desktops
[04:15] <abattoir> :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> or a two tone theme
[04:15] <nixternal> hahaha sebas!
[04:15] <abattoir> lol
[04:15] <_StefanS_> although I like a more dark theme, they tend to get real heavy...
[04:15] <nixternal> fix my cupsys. I have to print my cheat sheets for midterms! :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> or blue
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hrm
[04:15] <sebas> He tells me he hates both whenever we have beer :-)
[04:16] <abattoir> *does
[04:16] <abattoir> nick, rather than name
[04:18] <dinosaur-rus> nixternal: bug 92205
[04:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205
[04:20] <Hobbsee> [02:15]  <Ubugtu> New bug: #92260 in cupsys (main) "cupsys cannot be installed/updated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92260 as a dupe as well please :)
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92260 in cupsys "cupsys cannot be installed/updated" [High,Confirmed] 
[04:21] <dinosaur-rus> ahh... audacious player in Ubuntu is outdated
[04:22] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: fix it, and get an exception?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> night all!
[04:22] <abattoir> 'night Hobbsee
[04:22] <nixternal> Riddell: we have issues here with kubuntu-docs. I just got an email saying it failed to build
[04:23] <nixternal> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6799179/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.kubuntu-docs_7.04-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:24] <nixternal> doesn't look like our problem though. It looks as if 1) the server building the package lost Internet connection, and 2) dpkg - warning on removing x11-common
[04:24] <nixternal> looks like palmer needs help
[04:26] <nixternal> https://beta.launchpad.net/+builds/palmer/+history?build_state=failed&build_text=
[04:26] <nixternal> palmer also failed with gnome-games just a few minutes ago
[04:29] <yuriy> hmm bug 92198 is interesting
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92198 in kubuntu-meta "Enabling keyboard layouts in "KDE control module" breaks Kubuntu's default Alt+Shift behaviour" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92198
[04:29] <yuriy> does ubiquity set keyboard layouts in some other special way?
[04:30] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy: since one update kxkb breaks any layout switching shortcut for me
[04:30] <yuriy> dinosaur-rus: on edgy?
[04:30] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy: Feisty
[04:31] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy: so I had to disable kxkb completely
[04:31] <yuriy> dinosaur-rus: the bug is on edgy. but it works for me on feisty going one way
[04:31] <yuriy> no hotkeys work when in russian mode :(
[04:32] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy: mark "enable latin layout" (or something similar) checkbox
[04:33] <yuriy> dinosaur-rus: heh. thanks!
[04:33] <yuriy> i'd never know what that option means though...
[04:33] <dinosaur-rus> yuriy: np ;)
[04:34] <yuriy> hmm there's a bug somewhere that needs to be mentioned in
[04:38] <Riddell> nixternal: has anything changed to create that?
[04:39] <nixternal> Riddell: nah, it looks as if Palmer has an issue
[04:39] <nixternal> it builds fine, the problem on palmer is 1) Internet connection and 2) something with x11
[04:40] <nixternal> you need an Internet connection to build the docs package because of the DTD XML headings
[04:40] <nixternal> They don't build out to HTML, they have .docbook which KHelpCenter reads natively
[04:41] <Riddell> we've done that before too
[04:41] <Riddell> for whatever reasons we changed back
[04:41] <nixternal> I am sure it is because people with ubuntu-desktop couldn't get it to work
[04:41] <nixternal> but you would almost think that Yelp should be able to read .docbook. Especially since it can read .xml
[04:45] <yuriy> Jucato: on bug 23606, i assumed he was talking about some gnome icon theme ported to kde that he installed
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23606 in kdebase "Glitch in Icons control panel" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23606
[04:46] <Jucato> yuriy: I vaguely remember GNOME icon themes showing up if you install them through apt.
[04:46] <Jucato> I can't test them now because I'm in the middle of dist-upgrading :D
[04:46] <nixternal> Riddell: it errored out on on the images. which is weird
[04:48] <Jucato> hm.. if this dist-upgrade works, this will be the first time I dist-upgraded to a new release w/o reinstalling in the end :)
[04:48] <nixternal> that is odd, I can build the package locally, and install it, and it works great
[04:52] <nixternal> Riddell: I am building now and logging it to verify that it does in fact work
[04:52] <Jucato> hm... when I dist-upgrade, I don't get the new feisty artworks if I changed them already right?
[04:53] <Riddell> nixternal: it just failed for me
[04:53] <Riddell> dh_install kubuntu/firefox-startpage/images/* usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/images/
[04:53] <Riddell> dh_install: kubuntu-docs missing files (kubuntu/firefox-startpage/images/*), aborting
[04:53] <Riddell> make: *** [install/kubuntu-docs]  Error 1
[04:53] <nixternal> how come it doesn't fail here?
[04:53] <nixternal> what am I doing wrong?
[04:57] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/buildlog.txt
[04:58] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't have any kubuntu/firefox-startpage/images/ directory
[04:58] <Riddell> only kubuntu/firefox-startpage/img/
[04:59] <nixternal> hrmm, the debdiff didn't rename it?
[05:01] <Riddell> nixternal: your package has it but the debdiff doesn't
[05:03] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/kubuntu-docs.debdiff
[05:04] <nixternal> wth, that doesn't have it either
[05:06] <nixternal> OK, either I don't know how to debdiff, or something is crazy, more than likely me
[05:06] <nixternal> debdiff *2.dsc *3.dsc > debdiff.debdiff
[05:06] <nixternal> is there more to it than that?
[05:08] <Tm_T> Jucato: Ping
[05:09] <Jucato> Tm_T: very slow pong
[05:09] <Jucato> (resource intensive upgrade going on)
[05:09] <Tm_T> Jucato: check msg
[05:13] <Jucato> hm.. is it ok to keep the "1 minutes remaining" message on the dist-upgrade tool for now? :)
[05:18] <Riddell> nixternal: the images directory seems to be the actual build error in the package, not internet access (build daemons don't have internet access)
[05:19] <Riddell> nixternal: I'll upload with it fixed
[05:19] <nixternal> Riddell: how come debdiff isn't grabbing the images change?
[05:20] <Riddell> nixternal: no idea to be honest, I'd certainly have expected it to
[05:23] <nixternal> that is odd
[05:26] <Jucato> dist-upgrade tool stalls after the Cleaning up stage...
[05:30] <Jucato> Riddell: Upgrader just stalled.. it's not doing anything...
[05:31] <Riddell> Jucato: but everything upgraded?
[05:31] <Jucato> yeah, this is after/during the cleaning up part
[05:32] <Riddell> ok, so still a successful upgrade but a problem at the end
[05:32] <Jucato> yeah. I think _StefanS_ experienced a crash near the end
[05:32] <Riddell> or a lack of quitting
[05:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: did you?
[05:32] <Jucato> so is it safe to close this?
[05:33] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[05:33] <Riddell> and reboot
[05:33] <Riddell> and voila, all done
[05:33] <Jucato> heh doesn't want to close normally, I get the Terminate | Keep running box
[05:34] <Jucato> rebooting now
[05:40] <nixternal> Riddell: great job on the Konqueror links, I just noticed that fix!
[05:42] <Jucato> hahah!!!!
[05:42] <Jucato> Riddell: it was a success :)
[05:42] <Jucato> (so far)
[05:45] <yuriy> Riddell: are there ideas up somewhere for SoC? is anyone putting some up? applications start today.
[05:48] <Riddell> yuriy: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GoogleSoC2007
[05:48] <Riddell> I've not added any yet
[05:48] <yuriy> Riddell: yeah i saw that page, that's why i was concerned because there are only 4 ideas up and no kubuntu
[05:49] <xerosis> is SoC for students or did i make that up?
[05:49] <Riddell> only for students
[05:51] <nixternal> heh, people are putting up tech support type stuff for that SoC page
[05:51] <nixternal> look at the last entry
[05:51] <nixternal> I have an Intel Integrate Chipset and a 22" LCD and after installing the 915resolution patch it works like a champ
[05:52] <xerosis> is apple's time machine done with a hacked/similar-to svn?
[05:53] <Jucato> why are there scrollbars in System Settings?
[05:53] <Riddell> no idea, I believe they have an svn thing
[05:53] <Riddell> Jucato: to make sure it doesn't go off the edge of the screen
[05:54] <Jucato> Riddell: on the main page/tabs?
[05:54] <Riddell> xerosis: having /etc and others in bzr would be nice
[05:54] <Riddell> although not my area
[05:54] <Riddell> Jucato: anywhere
[05:55] <xerosis> Riddell: true
[05:57] <xerosis> Riddell: although displaying the changes in /etc would be tricky
[05:57] <xerosis> *+visually
[05:57] <Jucato> Riddell: http://jucato.org/stuff/systemsettings-feisty.png
[05:57] <Jucato> those scrollbars...
[05:57] <Riddell> Jucato: looks wrong
[05:58] <Jucato> ah there... it's gone.I think it only appears if System Settings is started w/ a smaller window?
[05:58] <Jucato> nah.. nvm... sorry about that
[06:00] <yuriy> I think working on adept 3.0 would be a good SoC project for someone to do, so that it can get done for feisty+1
[06:05] <nixternal> Riddell: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6805080/kubuntu_93_konq_doc_remove_go_window_menu.diff
[06:05] <nixternal> that is to fix bug 48462
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48462 in kubuntu-docs "Konqueror's help refers to menus removed in default Kubuntu profiles" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48462
[06:05] <Riddell> nixternal: looking
[06:06] <nixternal> just removes the 2 sections from kdebase-3.5.6/doc/konqueror/commands.docbook
[06:07] <nixternal> nothing life threatening, just a bug cleanup patch really. so if you get around to doing another kdebase upload it is there if needed/wanted
[06:07] <xerosis> yuriy: probably a bit big a task for one person over a summer, no?
[06:08] <yuriy> well, i mean working with mornfall and maybe manchicken
[06:08] <nixternal> I am going to be strapped this summer since I will be in 15 credits worth of classes in an 8-week period
[06:08] <yuriy> or doing some specific (but big) part of it
[06:09] <xerosis> sounds intereseting
[06:09] <xerosis> *interesting
[06:09] <yuriy> anyways, just an idea. and, to clarify: *not volunteering*
[06:11] <xerosis> is the reference to python from the ubuntu side?
[06:11] <Riddell> it usually is
[06:11] <xerosis> is there a reason why python is prefered for ubuntu?
[06:12] <Riddell> it rocks
[06:12] <xerosis> i must admit my python knowledge is sparse
[06:12] <yuriy> i don't see why it should be preferred by someone receiving the code, but it's definitely a hell of a lot easier to write than just about anything else
[06:12] <xerosis> how come kubunt uses c++ over python?
[06:13] <xerosis> *+u
[06:13] <Riddell> we use python over c++
[06:13] <xerosis> Riddell: oh, my mistake
[06:14] <xerosis> which apps are python?
[06:14] <nixternal> guidance
[06:14] <xerosis> i've only really looked at adept
[06:14] <yuriy> ok stupid question time
[06:15] <yuriy> what's the right way to get a diff to submit when editing code downloaded with apt-source?
[06:16] <yuriy> apt-get source, that is
[06:39] <yuriy> :-\
[06:45] <Riddell> yuriy: dch -i  to add a changelog entry
[06:45] <Riddell> debuild -S -us -uc  top build the source "package"
[06:45] <Riddell> cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc  for the diff
[06:46] <nixternal> Riddell: is that preferred to do instead of dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k<gpg key> ?
[06:47] <yuriy> Riddell: so just edit the code in place and then those commands?
[06:47] <Riddell> much the same
[06:47] <yuriy> Riddell: what if i want a regular diff to submit upstream? is there a nice way to get that?
[06:48] <Riddell> yuriy: usually changing upstream should be made as a patch and put in debian/patches
[06:48] <Riddell> there's no definitive way to do that
[06:48] <Riddell> nixternal: debuild is dpkg-buildpackage but with some extra checks and fakeroot by default
[06:48] <nixternal> I cp the original source file into a tmp dir. Then I cp -a source source.orig
[06:49] <nixternal> make changes in souce. step out of source and then diff -Nru source.orig sourc > patch
[06:49] <nixternal> Riddell: gotcha
[06:49] <nixternal> debuild didn't sign with my key though
[06:52] <yuriy> Riddell: so the patches in debian/patches are generated by copying over the source and doing a diff (such as nixternald described) then putting the diff in debian/patches?
[06:52] <fdoving> i usually use 'cdbs-edit-patch' from the source dir.
[06:52] <fdoving> then make changes.
[06:53] <yuriy> fdoving: what's that do?
[06:53] <fdoving> err.. make that 'cdbs-edit-patch <patchname>'
[06:53] <fdoving> yuriy: automatically creates debian/patches/<patchname>
[06:53] <fdoving> with your changes.
[06:54] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, or cdbs-edit-patch which lets you edit inline then does the diffing for you
[06:54] <yuriy> i'll take the latter :)
[06:55] <yuriy> what are all the numbers in kubuntu_xx
[06:55] <fdoving> to make the patches apply in the correct order.
[06:55] <yuriy> so the only requirement for the number is that it's bigger than the last patch?
[06:56] <fdoving> yep.
[06:56] <fdoving> depends on the patch/changes really.. but generally, yes.
[06:57] <fdoving> if you have 01-patch, 02-patch and 04-patch, and run 'cdbs-edit-patch 03-patch' 01 and 02 will be applied to the source in your working copy.
[06:58] <fdoving> 04 will be left out.
[06:58] <fdoving> so it's a nice way to edit patches, as the command name indicates.
[06:59] <fdoving> 'cdbs-edit-patch <some-existing-patch>' creates a working copy of the source with all patches prior to the patch you've selected to edit, applied.
[06:59] <fdoving> changes will be saved to the patch you edited as you would expect.
[06:59] <yuriy> fdoving, Riddell: thanks. i'm off to class, then i'll have a go at fixing some kdebase bugs
[07:08] <Riddell> Lure: you say in bug 88749 that plugins should be disabled, how do we do that?
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88749 in strigi "UVF exception 0.3.9 -> 0.3.11 - sync from debian experimental" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88749
[07:08] <Lure> Riddell: my debdiff does not package them (.so files ) ;-)
[07:08] <Lure> Riddell: so package is more or less just readme and copyright
[07:09] <Lure> Riddell: did we got +1 from motu-uvf?
[07:10] <Riddell> Lure: the debdiff doesn't change any installed files that I can see
[07:10] <Lure> Riddell: wrong debdiff attached :-)
[07:11] <Lure> Riddell: actually it is the right fix in bug 88759
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88759 in strigiapplet "UVF exception 0.3.9 -> 0.3.11 - sync from debian experimental" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88759
[07:11] <Riddell> got the correct one?
[07:11] <Lure> Riddell: strigiapplet source provides strigi-plugins binary pakcage
[07:12] <Lure> shit, LP is offline
[07:12] <Riddell> humph
[07:14] <Riddell> Lure: so that patch and remove some .so ?
[07:14] <Lure> Riddell: it actually does not package anything on lib
[07:14] <Tm_T> That new "propietary media autoinstaller" thing is in Kubuntu too?
[07:14] <Lure> Riddell: basically empty .install file
[07:15] <Riddell> Lure: for which?
[07:15] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that plugins use kde3 code and expect KInstance which is not there (strigi is qt4)
[07:15] <Lure> strigi-plugins
[07:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: no, but we have it in amarok since edgy
[07:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: Ah, thanks. :)
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/strigiapplet.debdiff
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: and http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/strigi.debdiff
[07:17] <bddebian> Heya
[07:19] <Riddell> Lure: great, thanks
[07:20] <Lure> Riddell: kde4 in universe discussion is a bit over everything :-(
[07:21] <Lure> Riddell: what I think it is good that it get discussed, it is a bit bad that kde4 was trigger ;-)
[07:21] <nixternal> Lure: I agree, and the people taking potshots at KDE aren't necessary either
[07:22] <Riddell> uploading strigi
[07:22] <nixternal> the one guy said that every time he opens up c++ a cat dies
[07:22] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[07:23] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, that would be nice
[07:23] <Riddell> but strigi has a way to go before it's as usable as beagle
[07:23] <dinosaur-rus> oh yeah, cupsys is fixed now!
[07:24] <nixternal> good, I can print my cheat sheets ;p
[07:27] <Riddell> Lure: uploaded, thanks for your work
[07:27] <Lure> ok, only beta LP is down, disbaling redirect...
[07:28] <Lure> Riddell: should we change our wiki pages around this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/SampleTeam
[07:28] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam looks nice with this
[07:31] <Riddell> Lure: we don't really have any KubuntuTeam page
[07:31] <Lure> Riddell: we could have one (as Kubuntu is now mix of everything...)
[07:31] <Riddell> we could indeed
[07:31] <nixternal> Riddell and Lure: if you want something updated and pretty'ized, let me know, unless you feel like tackeling it
[07:32] <nixternal> argh, the kubuntu-docs package update
[07:32] <Lure> nixternal: I am not good for that, I just like the new format
[07:32] <nixternal> IT WORKS! :)
[07:33] <Lure> nixternal: btw, did you start Beta release page, so that we can add content
[07:33] <nixternal> Lure: no I haven't...I will do that now
[07:33] <Lure> nixternal: thanks, no hurry though (I know you have to relax a bit after kubuntu-docs work)
[07:37] <nixternal> hehe
[07:37] <nixternal> I need to go study for a midterm tonight
[07:39] <nixternal> Lure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu :) Just for you!
[07:39] <Lure> nixternal: thanks, will put some bullets in so that you have something to do in next days.. ;-)
[07:39] <nixternal> hehe, thanks
[07:39] <nixternal> alrighty, time to go study and get ready for school
[07:40] <nixternal> cya in a bit
[07:43] <Riddell> nixternal: kdebase failed to build
[07:52] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like there is space on cd - can we sneak in digikamimageplugins (4 MB) in when they pass MIR?
[07:52] <Riddell> Lure: no, it's needed for language packs
[07:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes I experienced a crash, but it seems like it was a package that didn't apply correctly
[07:54] <Lure> Riddell: will we get at list language-pack-sl ? ;-)
[07:55] <Riddell> Lure: alas, not a chance
[07:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm mailing you a stacktrace
[07:55] <Lure> Riddell: I use english anyhow ;-)
[07:56] <Lure> Riddell: any plans to add qt4 ui for restricted-manager?
[07:57] <Riddell> Lure: for what?
[07:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you want ssh access to that failed instance of feisty ?
[07:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: or is the logfiles enough ?
[07:58] <Riddell> Lure: the ubuntu drivers thing?  yes, in feisty+1
[07:58] <Lure> Riddell: right
[07:58] <Riddell> _StefanS_: log files should be enough for now
[07:58] <Lure> Riddell: I tested gtk version and is is nice thing
[07:58] <_StefanS_> alright, they're on the way
[07:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'll rollback and test with kde 3.5.6
[08:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I've applied kde 3.5.6, and running the upgrade now... will be back later with an update on how that goes...
[08:24] <Riddell> _StefanS_: good luck
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I've got 9 minutes left till done. It seems like this one works (so far)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the update went well, except for at package removal error during cleanup (I have reported using the designated button)
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm sending you the results of the successful run in a mail to you now..
[10:36] <_StefanS_> g'night.
[10:45] <nixternal> Riddell: what was the reason for the build fail on kdebase?
[10:47] <Riddell> nixternal: no idea, but it'll be your patch that caused it
[10:47] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:48] <nixternal> all I did was remove 2 sects. Unless I booged something up. Let me run them through the EBN
[10:54] <nixternal> Riddell: it was my patch, I need to fix the cache package with the doc. I will fix it later tonight and repatch for you, sorry about that :(
[10:55] <nixternal> Riddell: I was wrong, heh, there is a lingering xref that refers to the &window-menu;
[10:55] <nixternal> so I need to find that and destroy it
[11:32] <Riddell> Zerlinna: do you know anyone who will be at cebit?
[11:33] <Zerlinna> Riddell: you mean, except me?
[11:34] <Riddell> Zerlinna: I mean anyone
[11:35] <Zerlinna> Riddell: two poeple from our kubuntu-de.org will be at the KDE booth and juliux is going to be there for Ubuntu
[11:35] <Zerlinna> Riddell: and torsten rahn from kde
[11:36] <Riddell> great
[11:36] <Zerlinna> Riddell: are you planning to come, too?
[11:36] <Riddell> Zerlinna: I'm afraid not
[11:36] <Zerlinna> Riddell: pitty
[11:38] <Zerlinna> Riddell: lol forgot to mention my bf from fedora ;)
[11:39] <Riddell> fedora?  that must be a tricky relationship :)
[11:40] <Zerlinna> Riddell: as long as he sticks to KDE :-P
[11:41] <Zerlinna> Riddell: is there anything I can do for you or are you only asking out of couriosity
[11:41] <Zerlinna> ?
[11:42] <Riddell> Zerlinna: actually ypsila was asking and it got me wondering
[11:42] <yuriy> ok i've tried editing a file then running cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_93_ ... .diff. it applies the other patches, takes me to a subshell. i type exit and it creates an empty file in debian/patches
[11:42] <Riddell> yuriy: edit the file after running cdbs-edit-patch
[11:43] <Zerlinna> Riddell: torsten asked me if I could do some booth attendance for KDE, we all met in Chemnitz and they still needed somepeople.. that's how it went ;)
[11:43] <Riddell> Zerlinna: question is if the kubuntu poster will be by the ubuntu stand or the KDE stand
[11:44] <Zerlinna> Riddell: none, because we're not the only distro at the KDE booth, and it's not clear if the Ubuntu booth is going to have Kubuntu CDs
[11:45] <Riddell> they can still have our poster
[11:45] <Riddell> we are part of ubuntu
[11:45] <Zerlinna> Riddell: they haven't afaik but I can talk to juliux he could take the poster with him (it's in the same city where he    lives
[11:45] <Zerlinna> )
[11:46] <Riddell> worth a shot, as payment for domain squatting on kubuntu-de.org for months
[11:46] <Zerlinna> Riddell: he he :-D
[11:47] <Zerlinna> Riddell: he was very collaborative in Chemnitz, so maybe we should forgive him ;)
[11:47] <Zerlinna> Riddell: talking of domains.. have you heard anything from amu?
[11:48] <Riddell> nothing
[11:48] <Zerlinna> hum
[11:48] <Zerlinna> Riddell: now that I'm talking to you I have another issue ..
[11:49] <Zerlinna> Riddell: on kubuntu.org/support.php kubuntu-de.org is only listet as a community forum
[11:49] <Zerlinna> Riddell: but we're actually doing much more than this.. we have our own news section and we translate the UWN
[11:50] <Riddell> Zerlinna: neversfelde I think it was gave me the text for that
[11:50] <Riddell> Zerlinna: I'm happy to change it to anything if you send me the text in german and english
[11:50] <Zerlinna> Riddell: actually, it's not the text neversfelde gave you - he sent you about 5 lines (or more) and you only put the forums
[11:50] <Zerlinna> Riddell: but sure, we can send it again, if there's anything wrong with it, just talk to us, we can change it
[11:51] <Riddell> I don't remember missing anything out
[11:51] <Zerlinna> Riddell: you defenitely need new glasses :-D
[11:51] <Riddell> but it's your spot, just tell me what should go there
[11:51] <Zerlinna> sorry :-P
[11:51] <toma> Riddell: fdoving has made a -ubuntu1 for Mailody, with two bugfixes, can you sponsor or shall I wait for Pointy Stick?
[11:51] <Riddell> I do need glasses as well but that's a separate issue :)
[11:52] <Riddell> toma: sure, need to be quick before freeze comes in
[11:52] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ok I'll send it to you by mail
[11:52] <toma> Riddell: http://frode.kde.no/mailody/mailody-feisty/
[11:57] <yuriy> Riddell: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc <-- was i supposed to make a copy before running debuild? and what is the .changes file, is that a debdiff?
[11:57] <yuriy> and how do i make a binary?
[11:58] <yuriy> this is kdebase that i'm messing with btw
[11:58] <Riddell> yuriy: if you add a new version to the changelog with dch -i then the version in the .dsc file will be different and you'll have a new one and an old one
[11:59] <Riddell> yuriy: the .changes file is has some md5sums and other information that's necessary when uploading to the archive
[11:59] <Riddell> yuriy: make a binary with a compile  debuild -us -uc
[12:00] <yuriy> can i specify the module to compile or does it have to do the whole thing?
[12:00] <Riddell> it has to do the whole thing
[12:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, did you see seele's post ? http://weblog.obso1337.org/2007/user-based-testing-expected-for-digikam-and-ubiquity/
[12:03] <imbrandon> looks kick arse
[12:03] <imbrandon> imho
[12:05] <Riddell> toma, fdoving: uploaded, thanks
[12:06] <toma> yw, thank you!
[12:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: certainly does
[12:11] <Riddell> nixternal: did you have a fix for kdebase?