[12:12] <cpk1> alex__: I think I was having this problem before... is there anything in the plugins directory in .mozilla?
[12:12] <blizzzek> indeed, it is kinda red here ;)
[12:12] <sbaush> nosrednaekim: have you ideas?
[12:12] <cpk1> !ask | pappy_
[12:12] <ubotu> pappy_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:12] <alex__> no I don't think I have a .mozila
[12:12] <alex__> only a ~/.mozilla
[12:13] <pappy_> somehow i manage to screw my apt rep
[12:13] <cpk1> alex__: thats what I meant
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> sbaush: nope
[12:13] <alex__> oh
[12:13] <tarnold> this is ridiculus my screens not proportional anymore
[12:13] <tarnold> what do i do?
[12:13] <alex__> yeah there is
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: what kind of video chipset do you have?
[12:13] <tarnold> nvidia i think
[12:13] <alex__> 1) flashplayer-installer 2) flashplayer.xpt 3)libflashplayer.so and 4)readme.txt
[12:13] <tarnold> it never did this before
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: so explain your problem better...
[12:14] <alex__> but firefox just isn't takeing notice or something
[12:14] <yuki>  I am unable to connect to a wireless network using WEP, but connecting to an unencrypted WLAN works like a charm.  Does anyone have an idea of how to fix that? :P
[12:15] <alonea> yay! I got it to work!
[12:15] <tarnold> the defualt view is somewhere  in teh middle of the screen, and to get to the kicker, i have to drag my mouse down and to see the rest of the kicker i have to drag it to the right\
[12:15] <cpk1> alex__: what does it say you have for flash when you go to about:plugins in firefox?
[12:15] <alex__> no
[12:15] <utnubuk> is anybody aware of a skippy type package that doesnt use a hotkey, but works when the mouse is moved to a corner of the screen?
[12:15] <alonea> Ok, someone told me about a superuser or root or something file system viewer but I dont see it here in Kubuntu.
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: ahh ok.... did you try restarting X?
[12:15] <pappy_> guys .. and gals can someone tell me how to restore the original repository?
[12:15] <tarnold> no
[12:15] <cpk1> !easysource | pappy_
[12:15] <ubotu> pappy_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:15] <tarnold> how do i do that
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> alonea  just do "kdesu konqueror"
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: do that...and if it doesn't fix it...come back
[12:16] <tarnold> ok, how do i do that though?
[12:16] <alonea> nosrednaekim: yeah, that thing. Is there a link to it somewhere or do I just have to make a button myself with that command?
[12:16] <tarnold> is there a man page for restarting x?
[12:16] <stdin> !X
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: logout and ctrl alt bkspce
[12:16] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:16] <tarnold> ok
[12:18] <pappy_> i did this what i must do next?
[12:20] <tarnold> nosrednaekim: i hit control alt backspace, and its still the persisting
[12:20] <tarnold> hey all im back, i tried restarting X but to no avail
[12:21] <tarnold> !x
[12:21] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:21] <stdin> tarnold: To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart  in a console
[12:21] <pappy_> guys do u know where i have to copy teh outpout from  http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[12:22] <stdin> pappy_: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:22] <pappy_> great thx
[12:22] <tarnold> ok
[12:22] <tarnold> stdin: ill try that
[12:25] <pappy_> thx guys it worked
[12:26] <stukreit> greetings, all. I would like to know how to reconfigure an unbuntu install to start up the window system, kubuntu or whatever. (this is because installation was failing when I selected kubuntu from the start)
[12:27] <Minataku> I know it's off topic, but I urge everyone to join me in a boycott of all holdings and assets of Viacom in response to their incredibly asinine lawsuit against YouTube/Google in the amount of one billion USD for copyright infringement
[12:27] <pappy_> is it easy to install beryl?
[12:27] <stdin> pappy_: are you on edgy or dapper?
[12:27] <pappy_> edgy
[12:27] <stdin> pappy_: then it's really quite easy
[12:28] <stdin> pappy_: what's your graphics hardware?
[12:28] <pappy_> and how do i do this?
[12:28] <pappy_> it's a Gforce 7600GS 256 MB
[12:29] <stdin> that's nvidia isn't it?
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> YES
[12:29] <pappy_> yes
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, sorry
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure you get the newest drivers.  i didn't and regret it
[12:29] <Ashex|Work> !beryl
[12:29] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:30] <Ashex|Work> I recommend using automatix bleeder to get it going
[12:30] <Ashex|Work> http://www.getautomatix.com
[12:30] <stdin> NO!
[12:30] <Minataku> !automatix
[12:30] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:30] <Ashex|Work> no?
[12:30] <stdin> don't use that god damn software
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> automatix is the devil
[12:30] <scribz> yeah automatix sucketh much
[12:30] <tarnold> stdin: i typed in that command and then the computer went black with an underscore that was blinking and i  hit the power button, the pc powered off and when i restarted it came up with the same mest up borders/ scrolling features
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> normally i'd say something about language, but in this case, it's appropriate
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> and DEFINITELY don't use the bleeder
[12:31] <pappy_> i think i have the latest drivers. is there a way to see what version i have?
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i suggest we program the bot to not let anyone use the A word in this channel
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> because it will screw you six ways to sunday
[12:31] <Minataku> Just have it trigger on that word with a warning
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Minataku: ya
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> pappy_: got an nvidia control panel?
[12:31] <pappy_> nope
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> odd
[12:32] <pappy_> which is strange i think
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> system > nvidia x server settings (by default)
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll have to get them from nvidia's site anyhow
[12:32] <pappy_> no i don't have this
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> use the aiglx howto
[12:33] <tarnold> does anyone know what i should do now?
[12:33] <tarnold> am i lost beyond hope?
[12:34] <pappy_> nobody is lost like that. there iis always hope
[12:34] <tarnold> well my laptop the screen goes off the edges
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_AIGLX
[12:35] <Minataku> tarnold: Are you using the VESA framebuffer driver?
[12:35] <tarnold> idk
[12:35] <Minataku> I know my system had issues with the tridentfb driver, everything was all messed up
[12:36] <tarnold> i hit suspend last night and it did nothign then hit the power button and when i restarted tonight it came on all funky like this
[12:36] <utnubuk> How make a package initialize at login??
[12:36] <utnubuk> if that makes any sense...
[12:37] <Minataku> tarnold: Shut it down and let it sit for a minute or two
[12:37] <Minataku> Full shutdown, sudo shutdown -h now
[12:37] <tarnold> ok
[12:38] <tarnold> what happens if it doesn't work then?
[12:38] <Minataku> tarnold: Come back
[12:38] <Minataku> lol
[12:38] <tarnold> ok
[12:39] <tarnold> hey it said time expected
[12:39] <tarnold> its not shutting down
[12:40] <Morvok> anyone have idea's for powering a homemade rack? this isn't all that off topic becuase most of the hardware runs (k)ubuntu
[12:41] <firemonkeyballz> what kind of hardware are you thinking of?
[12:42] <Morvok> assortment of about 50 mobo's. I can run 4 boards of one psu. but wiring them (cut + splice) and all that wire looks to be expensive and time consuming.
[12:43] <Ashex|Work> use a low-power psu for each (350W will work) to avoid overloading your circuit. a ups would be a good idea depending on how stable your power is
[12:44] <firemonkeyballz> morvok arent there any mobos you can dasy chain?
[12:44] <sparr> there is a kde screensaver named "Polyhedra", it shows 3d animated polyhedra along with all their specs (faces, vertices, edges, euler number, wythoff symbol, symmetry, etc).  is there any where/way i can get that information and imagery in a less random fashion?  not on wikipedia or mathworld :(
[12:45] <Morvok> fireMonkeyballz: not really. another from a p100 to p4's some sparcs and couple makes. my aphla and hppa will stay in there cases.
[12:45] <bobesponja> a friend of mine just installed kUbuntu, can I ssh to his computer or does he need to install ssh or something?
[12:45] <Ashex|Work> sudo apt-get install openssh
[12:45] <kilian> anyone knows how to poweroff the system with kdelirc?
[12:46] <bobesponja> Ashex|Work: thanx
[12:46] <firemonkeyballz> umm cant remmeber the client program that windows/linux used for secure shelll
[12:46] <firemonkeyballz> I'lll have to go over my notes
[12:47] <cpk1> kilian: you have a remote control for your computer?
[12:47] <kilian> jes
[12:47] <Morvok> do they make extensions for mobo power cords?
[12:48] <Morvok> hrm.. *checks star tech.
[12:48] <tarnold> stdin: its still not working
[12:48] <kilian> and i want to use it for shutting down
[12:48] <tarnold> it looks like it didn't even shut down
[12:49] <tarnold> stdin: when it came back up the konsole, and gaim i had running also appeared
[12:49] <cpk1> kilian: where did you get the remote and how well does it work? I am interested in getting one
[12:50] <kilian> cpk1: take a loog at www.lirc.org
[12:50] <ghetek> how do i use the autostart?
[12:50] <stdin> tarnold: try "sudo shutdown -hP now" to power off
[12:51] <stdin> !autostart | ghetek
[12:51] <ubotu> ghetek: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:51] <cpk1> kilian: alright thank you =)
[12:51] <tarnold> stdin: stdin: ok, trying that
[12:53] <ghetek> stdin: im using the gui application
[12:53] <ghetek> and it all seems to be ok, but when i restart i just get an error
[12:54] <stdin> what error is it?
[12:54] <ghetek> i dont know, i would have to restart
[12:54] <stdin> what are you trying to autostart ?
[12:54] <ghetek> if i pastebin the file in .kde/autostart could you troubleshoot it?
[12:54] <stdin> yeah, I'll give it a go
[12:55] <Kr4t05> Anyone in here successfully gotten the Wii Remote to work with CWiid?
[12:55] <ghetek> !pastebin
[12:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:56] <firemonkeyballz> hey how do you reset the kdewallet?
[12:56] <firemonkeyballz> I forgot my password
[12:57] <ghetek> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10287/
[12:57] <surgy> ok guys
[12:57] <Ashex|Work> firemonkeyballz, I'm a little foggy, but it's in system settings
[12:58] <Ashex|Work> you can delete the wallet and create a new one
[12:58] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[12:58] <surgy> i dont mean to start a flame war but i need to format my both of my hard drives including the one with kubuntu im trying to switch to fedora
[12:59] <ForgeAus> surgy so whats the problem?
[12:59] <Morbo> The fedora install CD will have a partitioner, surgy
[12:59] <firemonkeyballz> k found it ashex.... does kopote need it to run or can I turn it off?
[12:59] <surgy> but kubuntu is messing with my install, so i need to format that hard drive and my fedora hard drive, im currently in my rescue environment on fedora anyone wanna help?
[12:59] <surgy> morbo: it doesnt show my hdds right
[12:59] <Morbo> #fedora, surgy?
[12:59] <ForgeAus> is the fedore a live CD?
[01:00] <surgy> fedora is not a live cd and im in #fedora, they sent me to you guys to help me get rid of kubuntu
[01:00] <Morbo> surgy: It's their problem if you're using their partitioner
[01:00] <stdin> ghetek: do you have to enter a password to mount it?
[01:01] <ghetek> stdin: no i already ran ssh-keygen and when in konsole i just enter that command to mount it
[01:01] <Ashex|Work> firemonkeyballz, it stores the accounts in kwallet
[01:01] <surgy> morbo: unless the kubuntu partitioner screwed it up so the fedora partitioner cant mess with it
[01:01] <Ashex|Work> so if you delete the wallet, you'll need to setup your accounts again
[01:01] <firemonkeyballz> yey
[01:01] <stdin> ghetek: ok, try replacing that with a shell script, rather than a .desktop file
[01:01] <ghetek> stdin: just drop it into that autostart durectory?
[01:02] <ghetek> *directory
[01:02] <Ashex|Work> firemonkeyballz, you may also want to delete the contents of .kde/share/apps/kopete
[01:02] <stdin> ghetek: yeah, like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10288/ , just make sure it's set as executable and it will run
[01:02] <Ashex|Work> I had some issues with kwallet awhile back and had to recreate my wallet
[01:03] <Ashex|Work> kopete flipped out by trying to use the contacts list it had stored, but for some reason I ended up with duplicates in aim
[01:03] <tarnold> ok
[01:03] <tarnold> well my screen is still wack
[01:03] <firemonkeyballz> ashex is that in the home folder?
[01:04] <Ashex|Work> firemonkeyballz, yes
[01:04] <tarnold> i can't tell if the pc is even shutting down
[01:04] <Ashex|Work> sorry, I left the ~/ off
[01:04] <tarnold> both gaim and the konsole and konversation now appear on startup wheras they didn't before
[01:04] <tarnold> this is bollacks
[01:04] <ghetek> thanks stdin
[01:04] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, in the system settings you can set it to startup with a clean session
[01:05] <tarnold> okl
[01:05] <Ashex|Work> or a saved session
[01:05] <tarnold> kmenu-->system settings?
[01:05] <stdin> ghetek: no problem  :-)
[01:05] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, yes
[01:05] <tarnold> where from there?
[01:05] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, one second
[01:05] <Jucato> tarnold: you can also quit those apps before  you logout
[01:05] <Ashex|Work> I need to remote to my desktop :p
[01:05] <ghetek> hey guys, is there any way to reduce the security in kubuntu? i shouldnt need to reenter a password whenever i switch wireless networks or play wih printers. can i just add my self to the sudo group or something?
[01:05] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager
[01:05] <Ashex|Work> thanks Jucato
[01:06] <tarnold> didn't realize that, ok
[01:06] <tarnold> going to session manager now
[01:06] <tarnold> anyone got a lock on my other screen size/having to scroll around issue
[01:07] <stdin> ghetek: yeah, I add my self to the sudo group and I don't need to enter a password to use sudo. Just make sure you have a strong password and lock your session when you're not using it
[01:07] <Ashex|Work> !twinview
[01:07] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[01:07] <ghetek> stdin: is that through kcontrol?
[01:08] <ghetek> stdin: or is that a commandline thing?
[01:08] <tarnold> but ive only got one laptop display...does it think its two seperate screens? im about to reboot into windows
[01:08] <tarnold> i don't want too though....:(
[01:08] <stdin> ghetek: kcontrol, system settings, what ever you want, just add yourself to the "sudo" group. You'll need to logout and back in for the changes to take effect tho
[01:10] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, I don't quite understand your issue, can you reiterate?
[01:10] <tarnold> if i take a screen shot can i copy it into pastebin?
[01:10] <tarnold> so you might see what im talking about? since i guess my words aren't a good enough picture
[01:10] <Ashex|Work> yeah, but I don't think pastebin takes pictures
[01:11] <ghetek> stdin: testing it out! restarting.
[01:11] <Ashex|Work> use imageshack or something along those lines
[01:11] <tarnold> no use copy
[01:11] <firemonkeyballz> ashex this folder? /home/firemonkeyballz/.kde/share/apps/kopete
[01:11] <tarnold> well idk have image shack
[01:11] <stdin> ghetek: you don't need to restart
[01:11] <stdin> ghetek: just logout and back in
[01:11] <tarnold> k ill try to use words
[01:11] <stdin> tarnold: use http://imageshack.us to post images to
[01:12] <tarnold> my screen is not bound by my desktop its not all there at once and to see my clock on the kicker i have to move the mouse right...
[01:12] <Ashex|Work> firemonkeyballz, yes
[01:12] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, Ah
[01:12] <tarnold> to see the .db file for skype id downloaded that is in the upper left of my desktop i have to move the mouse up and to left
[01:12] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, so you're saying the display is larger then your screen?
[01:12] <neptunepink> tarnold: Your desktop is bigger than your screen, and if you move your mouse over to the side, it moves, and maybe something happens if you press ctrl-alt-+?
[01:12] <tarnold> yes
[01:12] <tarnold> thats it
[01:12] <alonea> ok, its kdesu konqueror right? i dont see it loading anything..
[01:13] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, do you have a widescreen laptop?
[01:13] <tarnold> yes
[01:13] <Ashex|Work> !resolution | tarnold
[01:13] <ubotu> tarnold: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:13] <firemonkeyballz> ok one other thing cant get it to connect to aim
[01:13] <tarnold> 17 inch
[01:13] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, widescreen by chance?
[01:13] <Ashex|Work> check that link mentioned above
[01:13] <tarnold> now ive tried restarting x and i don't think it did anything
[01:13] <tarnold> i think its widescreen
[01:14] <Ashex|Work> what was the resolution in windows?
[01:14] <tarnold> at least the box and all literature about it said its a widescreen
[01:14] <tarnold> ive forgot
[01:14] <tarnold> it was the max though
[01:14] <Ashex|Work> okay
[01:14] <alonea> 1440 by 800 i think tarnold?
[01:14] <Ashex|Work> take a look at the link from ubotu
[01:14] <Ashex|Work> 1440x900 is widescreen
[01:14] <tarnold> alonea: possibly
[01:14] <tarnold> how can i find out what it is in linux?
[01:14] <alonea> 900! there we go. I have same size screen as that.
[01:15] <Ashex|Work> system settings>display
[01:15] <firemonkeyballz> kopete cant connect to aim
[01:16] <tarnold> huh
[01:16] <tarnold> hey all when i hit take screenshot
[01:16] <tarnold> from teh graphics icon in kmenu, the little preview that came up was everyhting from teh kmenu to the shortcut for my usb drive, to the clock at the other end of the kicker
[01:17] <tarnold> ok so what do i do?
[01:17] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, that's because it's taking a shot of your entire desktop, not just the viewable desktop
[01:17] <tarnold> is there something i can do?
[01:17] <tarnold> oh
[01:17] <firemonkeyballz> eh.. screw this... gonna use wine and trillian
[01:17] <Ashex|Work> !resolution>tarnold
[01:18] <firemonkeyballz> !wine
[01:18] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:18] <Ashex|Work> firemonkeyballz, running trillian under wine is just...retarded
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> just use kopete.  much more elegant :D
[01:19] <jake__> ubotu: my adept crashed, i forgot the command. thanx
[01:19] <tarnold> ashex|work:ive tried restarting X and all i got is a blank screen with an underscore blinking and it did nothing and i then had to hold down the power button to turn it off
[01:20] <bxnp> guys i am building a program with apt-build
[01:20] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:20] <tarnold> ok whats that do?
[01:20] <bxnp> is it a problem if i abort that build
[01:20] <alonea> ok, mplayer is asking for gtk devel packages, what is the name on adept?
[01:20] <stdin> !aptfix | jake__
[01:20] <ubotu> jake__: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[01:20] <arassi> newbie - looking for kubuntu repositories???
[01:20] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, check that link ubotu gave you
[01:20] <tarnold> i did
[01:20] <firemonkeyballz> ashex it kopete wont connect to aim
[01:20] <jake__> thanx] 
[01:20] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, it reconfigures xorg to use the proper resolution
[01:20] <tarnold> god i must be really stupid
[01:20] <tarnold> ok
[01:21] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, just make sure you select 1440x900 as your resolution
[01:21] <arassi> newbie - looking for kubuntu repositories???
[01:21] <Ashex|Work> if your screen is a wide
[01:21] <tarnold> k
[01:21] <tarnold> i believe so
[01:21] <Ashex|Work> !repositories > arassi
[01:21] <tarnold> can anyone say why htis might have happened?
[01:21] <stdin> arassi: for what?
[01:21] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, video with laptop is a little tricky
[01:22] <Ashex|Work> Xorg is supposed to detect the video card and monitor and then generate an xorg.conf to match
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> !repositories | arassi
[01:22] <ubotu> arassi: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:22] <tarnold> ah
[01:22] <stdin> tarnold: you choose a resolution that your monitor can't support
[01:22] <arassi> thanx  Ashex|Work
[01:22] <tarnold> huh cos i never chose one before
[01:22] <Ashex|Work> however, with laptops they use proprietary names, so Xorg can sometimes screw up
[01:22] <Ashex|Work> it does it on install
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> does > work with bot commands?
[01:23] <Ashex|Work> no problem arassi :)
[01:23] <stdin> tarnold: well, the xorg configure script chose one then :P
[01:23] <Ashex|Work> Daisuke_Ido, yup. it will pm the target
[01:23] <Ashex|Work> keeps the channel clean
[01:23] <tarnold> hey  how do i know what x xerver driver i have?
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ah.  now i feel like a retard :D
[01:23] <Ashex|Work> do you have an nvidia or ati chipset?
[01:23] <tarnold> it lists all these options..tseng, vesa, vga, via, vmware, voodoo...?
[01:23] <Ashex|Work> !video
[01:23] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:24] <Ashex|Work> er
[01:24] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: you can also do "ubotu: tell Person about Thing", that's the same as "thing > Person"
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[01:24] <tarnold> if ive an nvidia graphics card would that be what i want?
[01:24] <Jucato> !xconfig
[01:24] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[01:24] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, select nv if you have an nvidia graphics card
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: do you have the nvidia binary driver installed?
[01:24] <Ashex|Work> it's usually best to install the binary driver for nvidia
[01:24] <tarnold> idk
[01:24] <tarnold> christ
[01:24] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, select nv
[01:24] <tarnold> ok
[01:25] <tarnold> thanks
[01:25] <Ashex|Work> nosrednaekim, I got it :)
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> Ashex|Work: got what?
[01:25] <tarnold> see first time this has come up since i installed kubuntu hence be being a bit vexed, considering ive 3 papers to write in 2 days
[01:26] <Ashex|Work> nosrednaekim, cheese!
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> oh.. you got tarnold ok..;)
[01:26] <tarnold> ahh hah
[01:26] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, no worries, We'll get this figured out
[01:26] <Ashex|Work> albeit, you had bad timing in installing kubuntu when you've got mucho homework :p
[01:26] <tarnold> can'
[01:26] <tarnold> can't type either, sorry
[01:27] <will> how come kaffeine dont play mp3 files by default? even with the codecs installed?
[01:27] <bordy240> Anyone know why WINE would give me a segmentation fault when I try to do a winecfg?
[01:27] <tarnold> ok how do i know what my graphics card is, im at the next step of identifier for your video card...
[01:27] <Ashex|Work> !wine > bordy240
[01:27] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, just hit enter
[01:27] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, when it comes to monitor, just accept the defaults until you get to resolutions
[01:28] <tarnold> solidsource: bout how do i change it to nvidea later
[01:28] <Ashex|Work> the only options we really want to modify are driver and resolution
[01:28] <tarnold> and how do i send messages to people
[01:28] <SolidSource> tarnold: you change it in the xorg.conf
[01:28] <lappy> tarnold let him help you with the issue at hand, your monitor
[01:28] <will> how come kaffeine dont play mp3 files by default? even with the codecs installed?
[01:28] <SolidSource> !register > tarnold
[01:29] <tarnold> solidsource: as in with a text editor?
[01:29] <Ashex|Work> will, you have to set mp3's to open in kaffeine
[01:29] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, yup
[01:29] <Ashex|Work> nano for cli, kate for gui
[01:30] <SolidSource> tarnold: use alt+f2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[01:30] <tarnold> its asking about PCI for video card
[01:30] <Ashex|Work> hookay, I'm assuming that SolidSource has got ya covered tarnold
[01:30] <SolidSource> tarnold: defaults
[01:30] <Ashex|Work> I'm going to head home :)
[01:30] <tarnold> solidsource: should i do that now, or wait till ive done monekying around iwht the command line?
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> ummm anyone know how to get easy ubuntu
[01:31] <tarnold> Ashex|Work: ok thank you
[01:31] <Ashex|Work> tarnold, one thing at a time
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> its session.in file to run again
[01:31] <lappy> firemonkey have you googled for it?
[01:31] <tarnold> solidsource: so just hit the defualts for pci bit?
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> yes
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> google is weird
[01:31] <lappy> lol
[01:31] <lappy> ok
[01:31] <lappy> have you installed it already?
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> cant get accuate results
[01:31] <SolidSource> tarnold: yes, finish the configure with defaults...then once back into KDE we can change to nvidia
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> yes but it crashed at session.in
[01:31] <firemonkeyballz> after reboot
[01:31] <tarnold> SolidSource: ok
[01:32] <lappy> i don't know what that means
[01:32] <firemonkeyballz> supose to install the applications
[01:32] <lappy> did you get into KDE?
[01:32] <firemonkeyballz> yes
[01:32] <lappy> i know what easy ubuntu does...
[01:32] <lappy> ok back in KDE, click on your KMenu
[01:32] <tarnold> do i want to enable kernal framebuffer driver?
[01:33] <lappy> find Easy Ubuntu, and run it again, if needed.
[01:33] <tarnold> for anyoen following allong with me im still at the command line working my way through the configuring the xserver.org
[01:33] <will> can anyone tell me why Flash wont install via the installation box that comes up in Konqueror (Kubutu Feisty)
[01:34] <firemonkeyballz> sais everything is installed and cant run again
[01:34] <lappy> if not needed, you're done i guess...
[01:34] <lappy> so, what is the problem?
[01:34] <tarnold> SolidSource: do i want to enable the kernel's framebuffer driver?
[01:34] <Morvok> tarnold: wjats tthe problem?
[01:34] <SolidSource> tarnold: defaults...once nvidia-glx driver is initiated, it won't matter
[01:34] <lappy> tarnold: DEFAULTS
[01:34] <tarnold> yes sir
[01:34] <lappy> ;)
[01:34] <stdin> will: enable multiverse, and install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:34] <tarnold> or maam...leaving it on no and moving to next prompt aye aye
[01:35] <lappy> firemonkey what help are you asking for?
[01:35] <firemonkeyballz> well at boot still sais Im using 6.06
[01:35] <lappy> AH
[01:35] <firemonkeyballz> that or its incorrect info
[01:35] <lappy> and you want to upgrade to 6.10?
[01:35] <firemonkeyballz> yes
[01:35] <lappy> AH!
[01:36] <lappy> ok that's not an EasyUbuntu thing.  Its a Synaptic thing, or (best bet) a CDROM thing
[01:36] <lappy> Rather In KDE its an Adept thing, not Synaptic
[01:36] <will> stdin: im trying to keep a minimal install, flash-nonfree installs gtk stuff, so any other way to get it? (only have 535 installed packages :) )
[01:37] <firemonkeyballz> ok... but im running rather stable
[01:37] <lappy> will i'd say either use Automatix (maybe EasyUbuntu) and uninstall that when done with Flash, OR use Firefox to go to google video and use the automatic installer
[01:37] <delight> how can i find out to which package a certain file belongs ??
[01:37] <lappy> Firemonkey, if you're stable why upgrade?
[01:37] <xptical> hi all, I have a bit of a problem.  I'm in japan and the jp.archive keeps giving me an error when I apt-get update...can anyone help?
[01:37] <firemonkeyballz> im stable after running it
[01:37] <ForgeAus> automatix can be scary... be very careful with it
[01:38] <firemonkeyballz> it did install everything
[01:38] <Jucato> delight: dpkg -S <file> I think
[01:38] <lappy> running wha?
[01:38] <lappy> easy ubuntu?
[01:38] <firemonkeyballz> just didnt run session.in after reboot
[01:38] <Jucato> delight: or you can use apt:/ in Konqueror or go to http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <firemonkeyballz> the python app crashed at reboot
[01:38] <ForgeAus> lappy its an installer of sorts
[01:38] <delight> Jucato: thnx i'll give it a shot
[01:38] <lappy> i don't know what that file is (session.in)
[01:38] <compilerwriter> It was a beautiful day for kite flying.
[01:38] <lappy> thanks ForgeAus!
[01:38] <ForgeAus> gtp program that has scripts to install proggies
[01:38] <ForgeAus> !easyubuntu
[01:38] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[01:38] <ForgeAus> !automatix
[01:38] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:39] <firemonkeyballz> so do I have 6.1
[01:39] <firemonkeyballz> ?
[01:39] <lappy> firemonkey can you open session.in with a text editor and figure out what it was trying to install?
[01:40] <stdin> will: flashplugin-nonfree shouldn't install any gtk stuff, what's it trying to install?
[01:40] <delight> Jucato: wow that apt:// looks great is it that think working local ? looks like a web-page
[01:40] <ForgeAus> is easyubuntu in the automatix2 proggy list?
[01:40] <tarnold> SolidSource: ok teh configureing in the command line finished
[01:40] <delight> hehe Offline search it says
[01:40] <firemonkeyballz> well techically I have the ati original drivers
[01:40] <delight> :-D realy impressed with it
[01:40] <lappy> Was it trying to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 using EasyUbuntu?  I've never tried that, but I've heard horror stories about upgrading from a stable 6.06 to 6.10
[01:40] <SolidSource> tarnold: then you should be able to get into KDE GUI
[01:40] <Jucato> delight: half of it is working local, the other half directs you to the online page
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: what this about apt://
[01:41] <firemonkeyballz> lappy seems to be fine
[01:41] <firemonkeyballz> I downloaded and installed
[01:41] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: it's a kioslave in Konqueror for searching packages
[01:41] <lappy> what is fine??
[01:41] <ForgeAus> dapper -> edgy can be problematic... I don't know anythinga bout edgy -> feisty yet
[01:41] <firemonkeyballz> just didnt install the programs or did
[01:41] <tarnold> what do you mean, ive been looking at my desktop the entire time, unless you mean oppening it up with kate?
[01:41] <firemonkeyballz> im not sure
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: sweet...is it installed by default?
[01:41] <ForgeAus> Jucato did you get the lowdown on the distribution upgrade tool?
[01:41] <Jucato> on Kubuntu? yes
[01:41] <lappy> ok.  What is one of the programs that you wanted to install?
[01:41] <firemonkeyballz> yes
[01:41] <Jucato> ForgeAus: it's still in the works...
[01:42] <lappy> ok.  What is one of the programs that you wanted to install?
[01:42] <firemonkeyballz> multimedia all checked
[01:42] <lappy> what does that include, what is one program
[01:42] <firemonkeyballz> web just the videos
[01:42] <SolidSource> tarnold: umm ok...if you weren't having a graphical problem then running through that config was useless
[01:42] <firemonkeyballz> archives
[01:42] <firemonkeyballz> all
[01:42] <will> stdin: libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libcairo2 libatk1.0-0
[01:42] <tarnold> oh
[01:42] <lappy> please, name me a program!  I don't know wha EasyUbuntu does these days, my system is set
[01:42] <firemonkeyballz> and fonts  and the original ati driver
[01:43] <firemonkeyballz> well theres easyubuntu 3.1 on their server
[01:43] <lappy> tarnold what are you asking to do?
[01:43] <stdin> will: ahh, so it does
[01:43] <firemonkeyballz> just didnt run it
[01:43] <SolidSource> tarnold: open konsole and type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"    to ensure its installed and coorect
[01:43] <lappy> Easyubuntu INSTALLS programs, name one that you CHECKED to INSTALL!
[01:43] <tarnold> the desktop display is larger then my laptop screen and causes me to have to scroll to do anything
[01:43] <tarnold> ok will do
[01:43] <firemonkeyballz> ok
[01:44] <firemonkeyballz> but whats with the session.in at reboot
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> tarnold: my uncle had the same exact nvidia problem...
[01:44] <lappy> firemonkey i am sorry, i am not understanding your problem
[01:44] <lappy> firemonkey, i have no idea.  where do you see that file?
[01:44] <stdin> will: you can install it manually, tho it won't be updated automatically
[01:44] <tarnold> nosrednaekim: and what happened, was there a fix?
[01:44] <SolidSource> tarnold nosrednaekim: thats a resolution problem which is solved by selecting a different monitor
[01:45] <SolidSource> tarnold nosrednaekim: in the config
[01:45] <lappy> does it come up when logging into KDE?  is it part of the Linux boot?  is it a file in your home directory?
[01:45] <tarnold> ah
[01:45] <will> yeah i think i will do that, until konqueror flash installer bug is fixed :)
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure, I think it was a problem with selected resolution
[01:45] <eMaX_> anyone knows how to debug knetworkmanager? It shows no wireless connections, though wlassistant does
[01:45] <neptunepink> tarnold: press ctrl-alt-numpad+ a couple of times
[01:45] <firemonkeyballz> well if I knew the number easyubuntu created I could run session.in but it was to freaking long
[01:45] <lappy> knew the number?
[01:46] <firemonkeyballz> easyubuntu generates a number for session.in
[01:46] <lappy> ForgeAus can you help us?
[01:46] <stdin> will: there are instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayer9
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: what exactly do you want to install with easyubuntu?
[01:46] <lappy> firemonkey i suppose then that you have to rerun EasyUbuntu and get the number again, if you need that but don't have it
[01:46] <delight> Jucato: do you got a file /usr/lib/libstrstd.so.111 or someting similiar ? the apt-system does not know about it  and everytime i install something i get ldconfig: /usr/lib/libstrstd.so.111 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[01:47] <SolidSource> tarnold: ok, if nvidia-glx is installed, then type "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" once that is open find "nv" and change to "nvidia"
[01:47] <firemonkeyballz> well i wanna complete my install... but session.in crashed
[01:47] <tarnold> solidsource neptunepink: im installing nvidia-glx atm
[01:47] <tarnold> ok
[01:47] <tarnold> will do
[01:47] <ForgeAus> lappy whats the problem exactly?
[01:47] <Jucato> delight: have you tried going to packages.ubuntu.com?
[01:47] <ForgeAus> (I was distracted)
[01:47] <lappy> In my experience, EasyUbuntu has programs.  You check-mark those programs and hit [Install] .  It installs stuff, and then its done.  You go to your KMenu, find what you installed, and then use it.
[01:47] <ForgeAus> lappy basically yes
[01:47] <lappy> So Rerun EasyUbuntu
[01:48] <ForgeAus> um I don't think easyubuntu quits
[01:48] <tarnold> solidsource: what happens once i chagne nv to nvidia?
[01:48] <ForgeAus> its a front end to some install scripts mostly
[01:48] <bonbonthejon> lappy: you shouldn't use easy ubuntu
[01:48] <delight> Jucato yes and http://www.google.com/search?q=libstrstd.so gives strange results ... or better say results with strange messages
[01:48] <lappy> ForgeAus, Firemonkeyballz and I are having trouble with his EasyUbuntu
[01:48] <ForgeAus> bonbon perhaps, its safer than it used to be tho
[01:48] <delight> ppl having similiar issues ... kinda strange
[01:48] <SolidSource> tarnold: it xserver will use the nvidia-glx driver
[01:48] <ForgeAus> lappy what KIND of trouble?
[01:48] <lappy> bonbon i'm not... but i also heard that i shouldn't use automatix, but i do :(
[01:49] <firemonkeyballz> I just dont know what session.in does
[01:49] <ForgeAus> automatix can be dangerous as well... be CAREFUL with it
[01:49] <firemonkeyballz> I dont know what its realy for... but I havent seen it install firefox yet
[01:49] <lappy> ForgeAus, I have NO idea!  Something with his session.in file in EasyUbuntu.  I cannot figure out what he means.
[01:49] <ForgeAus> its been known to break kubuntu installations before
[01:49] <Jucato> delight: sorry no idea...
[01:49] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[01:49] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[01:49] <delight> Jucato: no problem ...
[01:50] <delight> Jucato: thnx anyways ... you ain't got such a file thou right ?
[01:50] <lappy> Firemonkeyballz, probably just a temp file.  If its stored in your Home directory somewhere, Delete it and rerun your EasyUbuntu.
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz:  what EXACTLY do you want to install with easyubntu? ther might be another way to do it
[01:50] <ForgeAus> lappy sorry my understanding of easyubuntu doesn't got that deep either
[01:50] <Jucato> delight: nope
[01:50] <tarnold> ok its done
[01:50] <tarnold> going into kate
[01:50] <delight> funny *hehe* ... I'll move it and see what will happen
[01:50] <firemonkeyballz> well all packages were downloaded and installed
[01:50] <lappy> OK
[01:50] <ForgeAus> I ahvn't used a session.in file before but I do suggest reading it if theres text in the file
[01:50] <firemonkeyballz> just kinda scratching my head why at boot i see 6.06
[01:50] <ForgeAus> it might give you some idea of whats going on
[01:50] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[01:51] <SolidSource> tarnold: ok, after "nv" is changed to "nvidia" then save and exit
[01:51] <firemonkeyballz> its just after when I reboot one of easyubuntu's files called session.in wich is a python file... runs
[01:51] <firemonkeyballz> and crashes
[01:52] <tarnold> where would the nv be?
[01:52] <SolidSource> tarnold: there are a couple places, just have to scan through and change as you find
[01:52] <tarnold> nvm i got it
[01:53] <tarnold> ok so its more then 1 that i have to change?
[01:53] <aullom> does anyone have time to help me figure out why i have audio but no picture during dvd playback?
[01:53] <SolidSource> tarnold: there are more than 1
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> SolidSource: really?
[01:53] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: yes
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> I only thought there was one...
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> under "device"
[01:53] <tarnold> k
[01:53] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: nope and if they are both not changed, there could be problems
[01:54] <ForgeAus> hmm uberyl! interesting!
[01:54] <tarnold> i only saw nv once
[01:54] <tarnold> ill look again
[01:54] <ForgeAus> pcsx2
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> SolidSource: where is the other one?
[01:54] <SolidSource> tarnold: there should be atleast 2
[01:54] <ForgeAus> I'm pretty sure theres a linux version but its kinda only in dev stages from what I got
[01:55] <ForgeAus> (I needed to install from source)
[01:55] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim tarnold: there are 2 "device" sections
[01:55] <tarnold> ok
[01:55] <ForgeAus> I wonder if you can use it as a backend to pcsx? its probably same design...
[01:55] <tarnold> ill do another search for nv then?
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> SolidSource: Why would there EVER be that?
[01:56] <tarnold> it only came up with the nv from nvidia
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> (although I did see it once, needless to say.. x didn't work)
[01:56] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: just how it is sometimes
[01:56] <SolidSource> tarnold: ok, then save and exit
[01:56] <tarnold> alrighty
[01:57] <tarnold> ok
[01:57] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: its not a constant...sometimes there are 2 device sections and sometimes theres 1...its a toss up
[01:57] <SolidSource> tarnold: now go into system settings or kcontrol and select "monitor & display" enter admin mode select hardware
[01:57] <tarnold> alright im there
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> SolidSource: only time I ever saw it was when a proprietary driver Xorg modification script ran and modified the xorg.conf
[01:58] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: exactly...
[01:58] <ForgeAus> actually jucato ubotu should be updated for Automatix and EasyUbuntu, they're not exactly scripts themselves (of course in some sense all applications are at some point script but that aside) they're gui frontends to a set of scripts nowerdays...
[01:58] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: it all depends how you do it...if the nvidia-glx does the configure, there will be 2 and if xserver does it there will most likely be only 1
[01:59] <bobesponja> whats the keyboard short cut to switch desktop?
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> SolidSource: ahhhh.... ok..I didn't know he had nvidia glx installed yet
[01:59] <SolidSource> tarnold: ok in monitor and display?
[01:59] <hak0> bobesponja:CTRL+TAB i think
[01:59] <tarnold> yep
[01:59] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I will leave that to the other more knowledgeable editors, as it's a very sensitive topic...
[01:59] <tarnold> yep
[01:59] <tarnold> gah sorry for double post
[02:00] <SolidSource> tarnold: ok in hardware, select "configure" under monitor #1
[02:00] <luckyone> hello all
[02:00] <stdin> automatix is a script, automatix2 is a gui to the script, so the bot is still right about automatix
[02:00] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: The main point, at least for automatix, is that it breaks the system.
[02:00] <luckyone> amarok is probably the most amazing thing in the world
[02:00] <ForgeAus> ahh ic stdin
[02:00] <bobesponja> hak0: doesnt work
[02:00] <SolidSource> tarnold: now just select which ever monitor is closest to yours, if your make and model is not listed, select "generic" and which resolution is yours
[02:01] <tarnold>  i don't see a configure option i see a moniter #1:custom 1, then Role: with a dropdown list
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> luckyone: go tell the people over at #amarok that... they'll be glad to hear ir
[02:01] <ForgeAus> but do people still get automatix? wouldn't most get Automatix2 now instead? is automatix2 also dangerous?...
[02:01] <ForgeAus> maybe relay them to Automatix2 instead?
[02:01] <tarnold> nevermind
[02:01] <SolidSource> tarnold: may need to scroll over
[02:01] <tarnold> i didn't look over far enoguh
[02:01] <scribz> noooo
[02:01] <tarnold> :)
[02:02] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Yes.  The problem is that they work outside the sytem, therefore they break things.
[02:02] <ForgeAus> (I wasn't aware so much that there still was an automatix (1) around)
[02:02] <scribz> automatix2 made my cpu go 100%
[02:02] <scribz> fan on all time
[02:02] <tarnold> how do i know which one mine is though?
[02:02] <scribz> reinstall fixed it
[02:02] <stdin> ForgeAus: I see your point, most do say "automatix2", if anything the bot could be updated to say "automatix/automatix2"
[02:02] <hak0> bobesponja: maybe you changed KDE behavior ,  i use kde default , maybe you have choose windows default keys or mac
[02:02] <scribz> do stuff manually, it's eaasy
[02:02] <SolidSource> tarnold: you don't know what monitor you have? then select "generic" and choose which resolution is your max
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> scribz: automatix is.... well anything easy isn't good..
[02:03] <firemonkeyballz> getting gaim
[02:03] <tarnold> oh ok
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: oh yeah... GAIM rocks...
[02:03] <firemonkeyballz> kopete sucks
[02:03] <tarnold> it said that i had to log out to restart the x server
[02:03] <tarnold> so im doing that'
[02:03] <scribz> nosrednaekim: apt-get install is better than using automatix
[02:03] <hak0> GAIM with OTR
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> scribiz: yeppers...
[02:04] <SolidSource> firemonkeyballz: there are not really any major differences between gaim and kopete....besides kopete looks better
[02:04] <ForgeAus> stdin I'm not sure... all I'm saying is saying it will break your system ... is bad because it doesn't always break everones system depends on what you want from it... (that being said I agree with scribz apt-get install is better... assuming you have the repositories for the software thats on the list)
[02:04] <pepepopo> hi, im new to ubuntu (not to linux) and i am getting problems with samba, it seems that i have smbclient but no smbd, i am using kubuntu and almost every time i try to search for the pkg in the "add/remove" program it crash... i tried command line "apt-get install samba" but that pckg doesnt exists, it tells me that samba-client and samba-common does... any tip?
[02:04] <scribz> sources ?
[02:04] <SolidSource> tarnold: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to restart xserver
[02:04] <ForgeAus> um there is a samba package
[02:04] <ForgeAus> I'm certain I installed it
[02:04] <ForgeAus> !samba
[02:04] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> !info samba
[02:05] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1 (edgy), package size 2956 kB, installed size 7392 kB
[02:05] <SolidSource> pepepopo: samba is not installed by default
[02:05] <pepepopo> well whats wrong with the command "apt-get install samba"?
[02:05] <ForgeAus> pepe which distro you using? kubuntu dapper? you might need edgy?
[02:05] <scribz> apt-cache search samba
[02:05] <SolidSource> pepepopo: open konsole type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install samba smbfs"
[02:05] <pepepopo> i am using edgy
[02:06] <ForgeAus> well looks like its in main
[02:06] <SolidSource> pepepopo: you have to use sudo
[02:06] <stdin> ForgeAus: if it doesn't break your system now, it will when you decide yo upgrade, because it used unofficial repos and the version numbers are different. automatix2 is just as dangerous as automatix(1)
[02:06] <ForgeAus> so it should show up in adept...
[02:06] <pepepopo> SolidSource i know
[02:06] <firemonkeyballz> umm ok.. guess im still runing dapper
[02:06] <firemonkeyballz> yey
[02:06] <firemonkeyballz> or not
[02:06] <firemonkeyballz> confused
[02:06] <ForgeAus> stdin interesting...
[02:06] <SolidSource> pepepopo: have you uncommented the backports and other repos?
[02:07] <ForgeAus> good to know... also bad to know lol
[02:07] <firemonkeyballz> Im gonna update via cd
[02:08] <pepepopo> SolidSource i think i did when ive first installed (its for my mom, i use gentoo), but messy me i forgot to write comments to se which where the original repositories
[02:08] <firemonkeyballz> just gonna take a day to get
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: why?
[02:08] <firemonkeyballz> cuz Im still downloading dapper packages
[02:08] <ForgeAus> why are version numbers so much a hassle with linux anyway?...
[02:08] <SolidSource> pepepopo: ok lets replace your sources.list with a more up to date one
[02:08] <firemonkeyballz> apparently
[02:08] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > pepepopo
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: run a "uname -r"
[02:09] <stdin> ForgeAus: just the other day someone was asking how to install kopete (on ubuntu), because they couldn't find it in synaptic. it turned out that automatix2 had changed the sources.list and not bothered to change it back
[02:09] <ForgeAus> automatix2 removes things or comments them out??
[02:09] <firemonkeyballz> 2.6.15-28-amd64-generic
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: and tell me the output..
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: yep...still dapper
[02:10] <pepepopo> SolidSource nice page :P
[02:11] <ForgeAus> I'm not suprised it changes sources.list, but I am suprised the change wasn't simply an addition
[02:11] <stdin> ForgeAus: version numbers can be a hassle because a package can depend on a package with a specific version, so that can stop things from being updated, and automatix2 doesn't comment them out, it backsup  your sources.list, then uses it own
[02:11] <SolidSource> firemonkeyballz nosrednaekim: have you gone through the how to upgrade distros?
[02:11] <ForgeAus> IC
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> nah...
[02:11] <ForgeAus> so to fix you just reinstate the backed up one
[02:12] <firemonkeyballz> Im guessing that adept auto update overwrote everything
[02:12] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[02:12] <firemonkeyballz> grrrr
[02:12] <stdin> ForgeAus: yeah, if the user knows how to
[02:12] <Whopper> how do i change the color of the bar on top of a program?
[02:12] <stdin> ForgeAus: and, if they are using automatix, they probably don't
[02:12] <ForgeAus> stdin perhaps we should lobby the automatix guys to have a button to fix it for newbies?
[02:13] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: or better yet, tell them only to use official repos
[02:13] <stdin> ForgeAus: I'd rather have an official ubuntu package to install the packages
[02:13] <firemonkeyballz> yey gaim is soo much better
[02:13] <ghetek> how do i print from CLI? like i want to run "man partimage >> (print to my printer)" is there a way to do this without first >> to a plaintext file?
[02:13] <ForgeAus> stdin I heard that isn't possible..
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: are you saying you want to do a fresh install?
[02:13] <SolidSource> tarnold: you back yet?
[02:14] <stdin> ghetek: lp (i think it uses cups)
[02:14] <firemonkeyballz> no need for a fresh install
[02:14] <firemonkeyballz> just wanna upgrade from DVD
[02:14] <ForgeAus> because some of the stuff it installs isn't able to be official for some reason (probably legalities)
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: oh ok... you can do that?
[02:14] <firemonkeyballz> I can read directions
[02:14] <ghetek> stdin: man partimage >>lp
[02:14] <ghetek> ?
[02:14] <stdin> ForgeAus: sure it is, most things people need (like mp3, dvd, flash) are in the repos
[02:14] <SolidSource> firemonkeyballz: if you have a edgy DVD, then insert it and restart...the DVD will walk you throuhg
[02:15] <stdin> ghetek: no, use the | (pipe), so man partimage | lp
[02:15] <ghetek> thanks
[02:15] <firemonkeyballz> just boot from it?
[02:15] <firemonkeyballz> or
[02:15] <firemonkeyballz> login and insert
[02:15] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: yeah I know....but I didn't know you could update from a cd
[02:15] <stdin> !away | britt|away
[02:15] <ubotu> britt|away: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[02:15] <ghetek> stdin: you rock so hard its not even funny
[02:15] <SolidSource> firemonkeyballz: boot from the DVD
[02:15] <stdin> ghetek: thanks :)
[02:16] <stdin> ghetek: you can always save the output to a file too, "man partimage > filename" then just print that from a GUI
[02:18] <firemonkeyballz> I suppose the adept updater overwrote everything
[02:18] <firemonkeyballz> in a way
[02:18] <firemonkeyballz> thats good
[02:18] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[02:19] <luckyone> is there an amarok users channel?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> yes... #amarok
[02:19] <luckyone> ok, not just devs?
[02:19] <stdin> luckyone: #amarok , but it's probably dead
[02:20] <SolidSource> luckyone: #kde will probrably cover amarok
[02:21] <arassi> newbie - how to install libxine-extracodecs in kubuntu?????
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> "sudo apt-get install libxine-extrcodecs"
[02:22] <arassi> i tried not working
[02:22] <stdin> arassi: enable multiverse
[02:22] <arassi> i did
[02:22] <stdin> !repos | arassi
[02:22] <ubotu> arassi: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:22] <stdin> arassi: it IS in there, make sure
[02:22] <SolidSource> arassi: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[02:22] <arassi> done already and still not working
[02:22] <ForgeAus> stdin: An informative online article gives step-by-step instructions on how to use Automatix2 to install Skype, Opera, the Macromedia Flash plugin for Firefox, Google Earth, Picasa, VMware Player, Adobe Reader, DVD support, and more.
[02:22] <SolidSource> its probably just need to be updated
[02:23] <ForgeAus> is Opera, skype and google earth in repos?
[02:23] <SolidSource> arassi: ok, may need to obtain the key
[02:23] <ForgeAus> I know VMware player and Adobe reader are
[02:23] <ForgeAus> (or can be)
[02:23] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: for 32 bit, yes
[02:23] <arassi> how do i do that?
[02:23] <stdin> ForgeAus: there are commercial repos too you know
[02:24] <SolidSource> arassi: well the sources.list will have the instructions on how to obtain
[02:24] <arassi> what list...i'm using adept manager
[02:24] <stdin> ForgeAus: eg, opera is on archive.canonical.com
[02:25] <SolidSource> arassi: close adept
[02:25] <arassi> done
[02:25] <firemonkeyballz> well u kno one thing... I dont have clock problems anymore
[02:25] <firemonkeyballz> :D
[02:25] <SolidSource> arassi: ALT-F2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:25] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[02:26] <ForgeAus> wow ghost for linux! thats interesting!
[02:27] <SolidSource> arassi: you can make sure that the repos are uncommented and if it doesn't have the instructions, I'll give them
[02:27] <ForgeAus> SolidSource I'm not concerned with 64-bit right now that most of that stuff is still new
[02:28] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: ?? I was just saying, cause I don't know what system you are using
[02:29] <ForgeAus> hehe Solid its ok and mostly hypothetical anyhow...
[02:30] <arassi> i'm back ..got disconnected
[02:31] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: I'm using 64bit...using blackdown and nspluginwrapper...no problems yet
[02:31] <SolidSource> arassi: ok np, are there instructions on obtaining the keys up top of the sources.list file?
[02:31] <ForgeAus> :) nice
[02:32] <arassi> solidsource: how to get there again?
[02:32] <SolidSource> arassi: hit ALT+F2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:33] <SolidSource> arassi: you know what, replace everything in that file with what I supplied here: http://pastebin.sk/en/1072/
[02:33] <arassi> ok hang on
[02:34] <SolidSource> arassi: then you will definitely have the instructions
[02:34] <SolidSource> arassi: as well as the kubuntu repos which aren't supplied by default
[02:35] <arassi> ok then what
[02:36] <SolidSource> arassi: where you get to so far?
[02:36] <eclectro>  I have a mail.com account and am having problems logging in? Is anyone else having problems? Do they limit the number of times you can login and check your mail?
[02:36] <arassi> i copy all text to file and save
[02:36] <SolidSource> arassi: ok, still have the webpage open?
[02:37] <arassi> yes
[02:37] <SolidSource> arassi: the instructions at the top tells how to get the keys...run those 2 commands (in konsole) for the 4 keys within the page
[02:38] <arassi> ok hang on
[02:38] <arassi> i get errors
[02:39] <SolidSource> arassi: doing?
[02:39] <arassi> arassi@arassi-desktop:~$ gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys KEY
[02:39] <arassi> gpg: directory `/home/arassi/.gnupg' created
[02:39] <arassi> gpg: new configuration file `/home/arassi/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created
[02:39] <arassi> gpg: WARNING: options in `/home/arassi/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run
[02:39] <arassi> gpg: keyring `/home/arassi/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created
[02:39] <arassi> gpg: keyring `/home/arassi/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created
[02:39] <arassi> gpg: "KEY" not a key ID: skipping
[02:40] <SolidSource> arassi: one don't paste like that
[02:40] <arassi> ok
[02:40] <arassi> sorry
[02:40] <SolidSource> arassi: and two...there is an alpha-numeric key for the repo....here I will give you another pastebin with the commands
[02:41] <arassi> ok
[02:42] <SolidSource> arassi: http://pastebin.sk/en/1073/ .........just copy and paste
[02:42] <SolidSource> arassi that will take care of all 4 keys
[02:42] <arassi> ok hang on
[02:43] <SolidSource> and notice::: amarok 2 is going to be AWESOME
[02:44] <arassi> ok i think it took...now what?
[02:44] <SolidSource> arassi: "sudo apt-get update" and once thats done, you can install whatever you need
[02:44] <stdin> SolidSource: alarok is already awesome, v2 is going to (ama)ROCK
[02:44] <arassi> ok hang on
[02:44] <stdin> s/alarok/amarok/
[02:45] <SolidSource> stdin: eh...I can see several places for 1.4.5 to be improved
[02:45] <stdin> SolidSource: compare it to most other media players tho
[02:45] <SolidSource> stdin: but I was looking at the screenshots of amarok2...
[02:45] <arassi> holly molly
[02:46] <SolidSource> arassi: ??
[02:47] <arassi> its updating i mean...if this work you're god send ...i'm starting to dig linux already...cool
[02:47] <SolidSource> arassi: if the keys were imported, then you shouldn't have any problems
[02:48] <rx_> i
[02:48] <rx_> hi*
[02:48] <SolidSource> stdin: I want to see kopete improved majorly though...basically, make Kopete like trillian and support all features of all messaging systems
[02:48] <rx_> how to disable the bouncing cursor in kubuntu feisty?
[02:48] <arassi> thanx again solidsource ...i'll let you know in a minute or two
[02:49] <stdin> SolidSource: yeah, kopete really needs some work
[02:49] <vontux> how would one go about identifying the hardware on their system (wi-fi chipsets for instance) using unix commands or gnome/kde guis?
[02:50] <Ash-Fox> I'd identify the chipset using lspci or lsusb
[02:50] <vontux> !lspci
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <vontux> Ash-Fox, thx
[02:51] <SolidSource> stdin: I'm depressed in Trillian though ( if you have used it)...the new version is going to require server login
[02:52] <vontux> is HP hardware prone to linux compatibility problems?
[02:52] <SolidSource> vontux: HP is prone to problems like windows is prone to problems
[02:52] <shadowhywind> stupid question here, Where do i go to not show the windows on other desktops on the systray?
[02:52] <stdin> rx_: kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback -> Busy Cursor = No Busy Curcor
[02:53] <gon> mozilla
[02:53] <Ash-Fox> vontux, HP sells some hardware for Linux usage.
[02:53] <SolidSource> shadowhywind: right click on the window bar
[02:54] <SolidSource> shadowhywind: or are you asking about the desktop pager?
[02:54] <vontux> hmmm, strange, I have a friend who has trouble w/ his hp laptop and desktop, I knew about hp printers being compatible ;however, I didn't know about their computers for linux
[02:54] <shadowhywind> like if i have a window open/minimized on desktop 4 and i am on desktop 1 i do not want to see the name on the bottom of the screen
[02:54] <stdin> shadowhywind: right-click on the task bar, click configure panel -> Taskbar , uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[02:55] <SolidSource> shadowhywind: what stdin said
[02:55] <shadowhywind> where is that option within the configure panel.. I can not find it.. hehe
[02:55] <alonea> I am having some trouble installing Mplayer. I keep getting an Error 1 for make. I see some stuff about undefined reference to __divdi3
[02:55] <shadowhywind> i have done it before.. but i can't find it on this reinstall
[02:56] <Ash-Fox> vontux, I don't think that hardware was made for Linux usage some how.
[02:56] <Ash-Fox> I said 'some', not 'all'.
[02:56] <SolidSource> alonea: are you installing through adept?
[02:56] <vontux> Ash-Fox: ah, gotcha
[02:56] <alonea> SolidSource: no
[02:56] <SolidSource> alonea: why not?
[02:56] <stdin> shadowhywind: just follow my instructions, "right-click on the task bar, click configure panel -> Taskbar , uncheck "Show windows from all desktops""
[02:57] <vontux> Ash-Fox, my friend keeps getting weird results when he does lspci, but my dell laptop provides accurate hardware info
[02:57] <alonea> SolidSource: I tend to like compiling programs myself. Less problems. Prime example is Eclipse.
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> vontux, 'weird results' is not very descriptive.
[02:57] <shadowhywind> stdin i do not have a show windows from all desktops
[02:57] <vontux> Ash-Fox: I'm trying to get him to send me the output now....
[02:57] <SolidSource> alonea: right....well its in the repos...but do you have build-essential installed?
[02:57] <shadowhywind> I have sort alphanetically by application name, show only minimized windows, show application icons, show window list button.. and then drop down menus
[02:58] <Ash-Fox> vontux, helping people through a 3rd party is near impossible, you're better off getting him on here.
[02:58] <stdin> shadowhywind: the 1st option here http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot21op3.jpg
[02:58] <vontux> Ash-Fox: hehe, ok
[02:59] <alonea> SolidSource: yeah, I did that first. and it does ./configure and ./configure --enable-gui fine. It just wont seem to compile. Probably missing some lib stuff for something.
[02:59] <shadowhywind> stdin I do not have that option
[03:00] <SolidSource> alonea: yeah probably, check the readme and INSTALL instructions?
[03:00] <alonea> SolidSource: Been following it, but I guess I can double check it.
[03:00] <SolidSource> alonea: dependencies should be listed in one of them
[03:01] <alonea> SolidSource: Might be missing glibc. Will check.
[03:01] <shadowhywind> stdin here look http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1dt9.png
[03:03] <stdin> shadowhywind: hmm, that's strange
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> shadowhywind: are you using beryl by chance?
[03:03] <shadowhywind> perhaps?
[03:04] <shadowhywind> yes i am.. hehe
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> that's why
[03:04] <SolidSource> stdin: you wouldn't by chance know how to install adium themes onto kopete?
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> the option's not there because beryl doesn't use the pager, it uses viewports
[03:04] <shadowhywind> beryl removes system options?
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> chances are things got changed at some point
[03:05] <shadowhywind> so any idea you know to get rid of this issue?
[03:05] <Schuenemann> !sis
[03:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> looking now, i have the same problem
[03:05] <Schuenemann> !sis315
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> possibly in the beryl settings
[03:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sis315 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> they're all showing up because they're all technically on the same desktop
[03:06] <MasterEvilAce> how do i copy all files in a folder, and put them into another folder (and overwrite duplicate files), at the command prompt?
[03:06] <stdin> SolidSource: Settings -> Configure -> Appearance -> (choose tab) -> install ?
[03:06] <stdin> shadowhywind: afaik, beryl can't do it (yet)
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> found it.
[03:06] <Schuenemann> anyone knows if I can get SiS drivers through an apt-get repository? debian had that option
[03:06] <bxnp> guys is it possible to resize my home dir split it up and format the one section
[03:06] <SolidSource> stdin: no, these themes are for the contact list windows...that only allows the message window
[03:07] <SolidSource> stdin: found a tut
[03:07] <shadowhywind> i had the window thing working a while ago before a reinstall
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> in the beryl settings manager, extras, window previews, taskbar, check "Taskbar Shows Only Windows of Current Viewport"... of course, it doesn't seem to work :\
[03:08] <stdin> Schuenemann: isn't xserver-xorg-video-sis the sis driver?
[03:08] <Schuenemann> stdin, huh... I have no clue
[03:08] <Schuenemann> I only know my video settings suck more than they should d
[03:08] <Schuenemann> do*
[03:09] <bigdad1e> hey, can someone help me setup my phone on here?
[03:09] <Schuenemann> stdin, what is that, btw?
[03:10] <stdin> Schuenemann: Package Description: "X.Org X server -- SiS display driver, This package provides the driver for all SiS and XGI Volari cards."
[03:10] <bigdad1e> on kubuntu*
[03:10] <Schuenemann> stdin, well, I have problems
[03:10] <SilentDis> hello :)
[03:11] <Schuenemann> stdin, if I type glxinfo, for example, X crashes
[03:11] <|Jason8|> Hrm.  What would cause the X-server to take up 290 MB of RAM?  Under the regular Ubuntu install/LiveCD, it only took up about 30 MB
[03:12] <SilentDis> i have decided to 'take the plunge' for a week, and give KDE a try (gnome user mostly).  I've been poking around, and I can't seem to find a tool to allow me to easily mount/unmount disks.  what am I missing?
[03:13] <stdin> Schuenemann: not sure, but maybe the sis driver doesn't support glx, or maybe you don't have the glx module loaded in xorg.conf
[03:13] <bigdad1e> whats a good program to use to connect to a cell phone on kubuntu?
[03:13] <Schuenemann> stdin, there is another glx command that works... some spinning things appear
[03:14] <Schuenemann> stdin, if I zoom in too much in blender, it crashes t oo
[03:14] <stdin> SilentDis: System Settings -> Advanced -> Disk & Filesystems, or the auto mounter for removable media
[03:14] <stdin> Schuenemann: you mean glxgears works?
[03:15] <Schuenemann> yes, exacly
[03:15] <bxnp> stdin: is it possible to resize my home dir and split it up
[03:15] <SilentDis> stdin: thank you, I was looking for something to stick in the dock or the like.  got a netdisk and floppy drive.  I used a simple partition mounter tool attached to my gnome bar for it.
[03:15] <stdin> Schuenemann: I think it may be the driver then, it may not have 100% support, it could be the hardware too
[03:16] <Schuenemann> what do you mean the hardware?
[03:16] <stdin> SilentDis: also look at /media or media:/ in konqueror too
[03:16] <stdin> Schuenemann: the grpahics hardware has to support the glx extentions too
[03:16] <Schuenemann> stdin, how do I check if I have that module in xorg.conf?
[03:17] <stdin> Schuenemann: look for " Load    "glx" " in " Section "Module" "
[03:17] <Schuenemann> well, zooming in @ blender makes it crashes... even though it's a crappy video card, I don't think that should happen
[03:17] <SolidSource> bxnp: do mean resize your partition?
[03:17] <SilentDis> stdin: yes, the folder is listed in media:/, but of course the disk is not mounted yet.  I've got my /etc/fstab all setup to allow user mounts of it.  a simpler example:  how does one go about mounting/unmounting a floppy disk?
[03:17] <Schuenemann> sorry... where is xorg.conf ?
[03:18] <SilentDis> stdin: i should specifiy, mounting from the kde interface.  I can do so from a terminal without issue :)
[03:18] <stdin> SilentDis: I don't have one, so I can't say for sure, but you should just be able to click on the dir, or there may be an entry in the right click menu
[03:18] <stdin> Schuenemann: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:18] <SolidSource> SilentDis stdin: check permissions
[03:19] <Schuenemann> yes, there is load glx
[03:19] <SilentDis> SolidSource: I am sure the permissions are fine.  I am able to mount/unmount the device without issue, as a user, from a terminal, as well as from gnome.  what am I missing in KDE to allow me to mount/unmount devices?
[03:20] <SolidSource> SilentDis: you installed KDE on top of ubuntu?
[03:20] <Schuenemann> Device		"Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) 315PRO PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter"
[03:20] <SilentDis> SolidSource: yes.  both are on this machine.
[03:20] <Schuenemann> appearently it detected the card right
[03:21] <Schuenemann> argh... SiS sucks a lot
[03:21] <SilentDis> SolidSource: I'm trying it out.  giving it a week to see if I like it as such.  I'm normally a gnome user :)
[03:21] <bxnp> yes SolidSource, i need to resize my partition and split it up
[03:21] <bxnp> i have a whole partition for home
[03:21] <bxnp> and i want to divided it in two
[03:21] <SolidSource> SilentDis: there are a few problems with doing that and this is one of them, don't know where to pinpoint it though
[03:22] <SolidSource> bxnp: yes you can, though its dangerous, but if you have live CD,...use it
[03:22] <bxnp> oke i have a live cd
[03:22] <bxnp> what are the normal steps to do it
[03:22] <SilentDis> SolidSource: ok, i'll fiddle with it.
[03:22] <bxnp> because there is data on the that partition
[03:23] <SolidSource> SilentDis: I'm thinking something doesn't get installed that kcontrol needs
[03:23] <bxnp> its not a problem if i loose it because i i have a remote backup however it will be a lot of work to get it back SolidSource
[03:23] <SilentDis> next question:  konversation is all setup... but it appears to pop up a server list every time I open it, I can't close it, and it stays always on top, i have to work around it.  what setting am I missing to remove that?
[03:23] <SolidSource> bxnp: in the LiveCD you use Gparted
[03:24] <SolidSource> SilentDis: close button doesn't work?
[03:24] <bxnp> but but does it resize my disk but allso my data
[03:24] <SilentDis> SolidSource: nope
[03:24] <bxnp> i want to keep my date
[03:24] <SolidSource> bxnp: no, data will not be resized...it will resize the partition regardless of whats there...thats why its dangerous
[03:25] <SolidSource> SilentDis: you should be able to set it to connect automatically and not even open that window
[03:25] <bxnp> so there is no way to put that data on one side of the partition SolidSource
[03:25] <SilentDis> SolidSource: i think i found that option... brb, gonna restart to see if it'll clear that dialog.  not sure why I can't close it.
[03:26] <SilentDis> that's better :)
[03:26] <SolidSource> bxnp: not that  know of...if is on the end of the drive where the new partition will be created, you will have to move it manually (some how) or lose it
[03:27] <bxnp> damm i need partition magic
[03:28] <SolidSource> bxnp: yeah the easiest way would be fresh install and create the partitions there....but otherwise you have to find some other way
[03:28] <razzorz> G'day all..
[03:28] <razzorz> havin issues installin my qiuck cam  and thoughts?
[03:28] <razzorz> Any thoughts**
[03:28] <SolidSource> ok all cya in a bit....I need some of the stuff normal people call food
[03:29] <bxnp> ehm oke SolidSource well the problem is that partition is corrupted
[03:29] <orange_> hey ppl
[03:29] <bxnp> so i thought i split that partition move my data to the new one
[03:29] <bxnp> and format the segment of the old one
[03:29] <bxnp> and then do it again
[03:30] <bxnp> so i have a completly formated in this case two partioned drive
[03:30] <razzorz> anyone delt with the quick cam drivers ??
[03:33] <razzorz> wow the help is overwhelming
[03:33] <razzorz> please not all at once...
[03:34] <razzorz> one at at time... my gawd folks
[03:35] <Number2> hello I just installed kubuntu, how do i configure my nic card?
[03:35] <razzorz> anyone have a heartbeat.
[03:36] <fignew> I'm trying to get flash (32 bit) to work under konqueror (64 bit) I've read that it should be pretty much plug'n'play, but after installing the plugin, the konqueror plugin scan shows nothing
[03:36] <fignew> razzorz: What do you need help with?
[03:36] <razzorz> well i just lookin for the steps to install my quick cam drivers
[03:36] <razzorz> or to find out if they even work
[03:36] <cpk1> pretty sure there is no 64bit flash
[03:37] <fignew> cpk1: there is
[03:37] <Number2> netconfig doesn't work
[03:37] <Number2> i dont know what else to do
[03:37] <fignew> Number2: under System Settings
[03:37] <fignew> in the K meny
[03:37] <fignew> menu*
[03:38] <Jucato> !webcam
[03:38] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:38] <cpk1> fignew: no, there isnt 64bit flash
[03:38] <cpk1> but it looks like you dont need a 32bit chroot to get flash working either at least
[03:39] <fignew> cpk1: yes, for firefox... not konqueror
[03:39] <cpk1> but you do need 32bit firefox, its all explained here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:39] <razzorz> wow great.. not like i have not been there b4...
[03:40] <Number2> fignew, i went there, it shows etho, but the properties button is inactive
[03:40] <fignew> 64 bit konq's nsplugin wrapper works with 32bit plugins (it's supposted to :/)
[03:40] <teufel_> whats a good torrent client to use
[03:40] <razzorz> lets make this easy... I have the pack ( qc-usb-messenger-1.6 )  but lost trying to install it... treat me like a Child it works better.. step by step
[03:40] <fignew> Number2: in the lower right hand corner of the window, there's gonna be a Admin button
[03:40] <fignew> you're gonna have to type in you PW
[03:41] <fignew> teufel_: for kubuntu, ktorrent
[03:41] <teufel_> seems like it slows down
[03:41] <fignew> razzorz: what kind of netcam
[03:41] <teufel_> well is there anyway to keep it from slowing down some much
[03:41] <Number2> fignew there is nowhere to type in a password
[03:41] <razzorz> Fignew ...quick cam messenger
[03:41] <lalwa> salut les gars
[03:42] <fignew> teufel_: rtorrent is pretty fast, but it's only console based, and (sorta) hard to configure
[03:42] <teufel_> i mean i know about torrents and whatever but is ther some reason like the memory usage or something
[03:42] <razzorz> i think i am lost in the Term not typing in the proper comands
[03:42] <cpk1> teufel_: azureus works pretty well too
[03:42] <fignew> Number2: you first have to click on the Administrator Mode button first
[03:43] <fignew> cpk1: if you don't mind the excessive CPU & RAM usage ;)
[03:43] <Number2> ok
[03:43] <teufel_> rtorrent ok thanks ill check it out
[03:43] <cpk1> running it in a console isnt that bad and you can set the update interval for it to be higher too
[03:44] <fignew> razzorz: have you checked out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[03:44] <Number2> fignew OK i see where it sasy click administrator mode button, but i dont see the actual button, is it on the same window?
[03:45] <Number2> fignew I found it my screen is not big enough
[03:46] <Number2> thank
[03:47] <fignew> lol Number2: that's happened to me before
[03:47] <Number2> :) thanks for the help
[03:48] <fignew> No problem :P
[03:49] <alonea> umm, is there a way to see a list of processes and kill them?
[03:49] <SolidSource>  alonea: CTRL+ESC
[03:49] <Jucato> alonea: Ctrl+Esc
[03:49] <Jucato> snap!
[03:49] <SolidSource> Jucato: I win
[03:49] <Jucato> :P
[03:50] <Jucato> only by a microsecond
[03:50] <alonea> sweet. thanks
[03:50] <SolidSource> thats all it takes
[03:50] <alonea> stupid adept...
[03:51] <fignew> Jucato, SolidSource: never knew about that :)
[03:51] <alonea> dammit. it still says another instance is running.
[03:51] <SolidSource> alonea: run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in konsole
[03:51] <Jucato> !adeptfix | alonea
[03:51] <ubotu> alonea: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:52] <alonea> also, is apt-index-watch also adept? says I dont have permission to kill
[03:52] <SolidSource> alonea: no its not
[03:52] <Jucato> no need to kill apt-index-watch
[03:52] <Jucato> just run the commands that the bot gave
[03:52] <adydas> "HTML Rendering is currently disabled " How can i turn HTML rendering on?
[03:52] <alonea> okies. ok, I will. and it did crash on me
[03:53] <Number2> if im running ubuntu, is there any way to get the kubuntu style kde on the same system withough dual booting
[03:53] <SolidSource> alonea: you weren't trying to install java were you?
[03:53] <razzorz> ty about that site there ( fignew ) ,,, whats the chances of gettin my codec for mp3 or dvd
[03:53] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[03:53] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:53] <Jucato> razzorz: mp3 codec? very high chances
[03:53] <Jucato> !mp3 | razzorz
[03:53] <ubotu> razzorz: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:54] <Dr_willis> kubuntu faq also has some info
[03:54] <alonea> SolidSource: nope. some binutils stuff. still trying to figure out what package I am missing that it wants to compile
[03:54] <SilentDis> !katapult
[03:54] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[03:55] <SolidSource> alonea: ok...cause you can't use adept for java...until feisty is out
[03:55] <gekko_> Aloha! :)
[03:55] <alonea> SolidSource: I install java manually anyway.
[03:55] <Dr_willis> hmm.. i recall using adept for java i thought.. :)
[03:55] <Dr_willis> but i think i did somthing else earlier that fixed that silly eula requestor bug
[03:56] <Dr_willis> I test out so many disrtos.. i get confused. :)
[03:56] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: if you already accepted EULA...then it shouldn't have a problem
[03:56] <alonea> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:56] <alonea>  gclcvs
[03:56] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  i was thinking i some how ran the proper dpkg-reconfigure command and told it to default to kde, or somthing.. egads i am gettting old..
[03:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:57] <alonea> that thing the bot said didn't work..
[03:57] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: whats breakfast?
[03:57] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  thats what you go to taco-bell to eat at 5am. :)
[03:58] <Number2> how do i get kde on ubuntu
[03:58] <SolidSource> Dr_willis: ooohh so thats what thats called
[03:58] <SilentDis> Number2: sudo aptitude install kde-desktop (at least, that's what I did)
[03:58] <Number2> is it like the kubuntu kde?
[03:59] <Jucato> er? there is no kde-desktop package
[03:59] <SilentDis> Number2: ahh, you're right.  kubuntu-desktop.  my mistake
[03:59] <Jucato> Number2: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <Number2> sweet
[03:59] <Number2> thanks
[03:59] <SolidSource> SilentDis: have you tried just editing the fstab file in kde? that might get it to mount it automatically
[03:59] <Jucato> Number2: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[03:59] <Number2> will it show up in my gdm
[04:00] <SilentDis> SolidSource: it's already setup properly... is there a tool I need to use specifically?
[04:00] <Number2> k
[04:00] <SolidSource> SilentDis: not if the fstab has it and the linked folder exists...
[04:01] <SilentDis> SolidSource: they both do, I'm still not finding a tool to allow me to mount it on demand though :(
[04:01] <gekko_> Excuse me, can anybody tell me where I can find commandline applications? Like "madplay" and things I had in other distributions? :)
[04:01] <gekko_> or at least a list of packages I can install with sudo apt-get install?
[04:02] <SilentDis> SolidSource: in /etc/fstab - /dev/ndas-00110749:0p1  /media/netdisk  vfat    defaults,user,noauto    0       0
[04:02] <SilentDis> SolidSource: and the /media/netdisk folder exists.  I can issue a 'mount /media/netdisk' as user and it works.
[04:02] <SolidSource> SilentDis: hmm
[04:04] <SilentDis> SolidSource: I'd have fstab mount it for me, but due to when the driver for it loads, that doesn't work.  I basically have to 'wait' till i'm in user space to mount it.
[04:04] <SolidSource> SilentDis: is it a NAS?
[04:05] <SilentDis> SolidSource: it's a Ximeda Netdisk, NDAS is the name they've given to the tech it uses.  it's not NAS
[04:05] <SolidSource> SilentDis: ok...
[04:06] <SilentDis> SolidSource: it is a network access disk, but it came out just as/just before they became all the rage, and thus uses a propriatary driver and such.
[04:07] <SolidSource> SilentDis: I have no idea
[04:07] <alonea> ok, I can't get Mplayer to compile...
[04:08] <SilentDis> SolidSource: it's all setup on the backend, basically.  I just need a kde tool to allow me to mount/unmount it.  I could go with gdesklets i suppose, but that's a lot of extra overhead I'd like to avoid
[04:08] <alonea> and it seems every file I try to install on adept fails, but when I go back to try again it says installed...
[04:08] <SolidSource> SilentDis: yeah, kcontrol should take care of it
[04:09] <SilentDis> SolidSource: checking out System Services in System Settings... I show kde-guidance as stopped.  is that the tool that does this?  also, should I switch off gdm and switch on kdm?
[04:11] <alonea> yup. anything I install it says it fails partway through installation but says installed when I go back to it...
[04:11] <SolidSource> SilentDis: don't know...that service isn't running here...though it runs on boot
[04:12] <SolidSource> SilentDis: and the kdm thing, I doubt will fix, but who knows
[04:12] <SilentDis> SolidSource: checking out service manager now...
[04:13] <SilentDis> SolidSource: KDED Media Manager shows as running...
[04:15] <Orange1> how do i see whats taking all my cpu resources?
[04:17] <SolidSource> SilentDis: can't find anything like that on my system
[04:18] <SilentDis> SolidSource: I didn't expect 'perfect' in this transition.  for now, I can hit the konsole when I need to mount it, but I will do some searching and probably pop in here from time to time to ask again on this one :)
[04:19] <SilentDis> SolidSource: overall though... as I'm poking around I see some rather nice features.  Amarok for one is lightyears better than Exaile! is, heh.
[04:19] <SolidSource> SilentDis: yeah, if I wanted both kde and gnome, I would have to go with a different distro....but I hate gnome, so don't worry about
[04:20] <alonea> ok, how do I load the root version of konqueror? kdesu konqueror doesn't work. Get X Error: BadDevice, invalid or unitialized input device 166
[04:21] <SolidSource> alonea: that error is fine
[04:21] <SilentDis> SolidSource: eh.  gnome isn't bad, it does have it's limiting moments though, which is why i'm exploring elsewhere.
[04:21] <alonea> SolidSource: Ok, then how do I load it?
[04:22] <Silveira_Neto> alonea: xhost +;kdesu konqueror
[04:22] <SolidSource> alonea: but that is how you do it....just have to try again since kdesu/sudo gets stuck sometimes
[04:22] <SilentDis> SolidSource: besides, i'm not one for 'holy wars'.  I can definatly see the 'best use case' for gnome, time to understand the 'best use case' for kde :)
[04:23] <alonea> Well, in KDE of Slackware, there was an icon that loaded it just fine. Think it was called SuperUser File System browser or something similar
[04:23] <SilentDis> off to play wow, take care all :)
[04:24] <SolidSource> alonea: yeah, but they don't do that here cause they don't want you in SU mode if you can help it
[04:24] <SolidSource> alonea: try ALT+F2 and then "kdesu konqueror"
[04:25] <alonea> SolidSource: uh huh...is there anyway I can install it?
[04:25] <alonea> SolidSource: nothing.
[04:26] <SolidSource> alonea: install what?
[04:27] <alonea> SolidSource: the SuperUser File System thing.
[04:27] <alonea> ok, I checked the process table and there was like 5 instances of kdesu...
[04:28] <SolidSource> alonea: no, and that thing your talking about is merely running the kdesu command anyway
[04:29] <alonea> ah, guess on here it tends to not want to work.
[04:29] <SolidSource> alonea: just run "kdesu ksysguard" and kill the kdesu processes then and then try running "kdesu konqueror" again
[04:29] <alonea> ok, did that, and...there it goes.
[04:29] <alonea> SolidSource: Know why my adept says everything fails?
[04:30] <SolidSource> alonea: no, cause I don't know what you have done
[04:30] <alonea> SolidSource: It started right after I did what the bot said to do, which gave me errors.
[04:31] <smorg> Hi
[04:31] <bonbonthejon> hi
[04:31] <SolidSource> alonea: you probably have broken packages
[04:31] <SolidSource> alonea: that could cause it
[04:31] <smorg> Anyone happen to be good at troubleshooting kppp?
[04:32] <alonea> SolidSource: Dunno. I just want to be able to watch wmvs...didn't know it would be this bloody hard
[04:32] <brad_> ne1 know anything about airport extreme?
[04:32] <brad_> drivers for ubuntu 6.06?
[04:33] <bonbonthejon> brad_: what is the chipset, I think it should work
[04:33] <SolidSource> alonea: the reason you should use adept to install things is to avoid these issues...compiling things yourself has higher likeliness of causing problems
[04:33] <smorg> Anyway... I can't seem to get it to find my modem. It will just freeze when dialing
[04:33] <Ashex> well that was odd
[04:33] <Ashex> !smb4k
[04:33] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (edgy), package size 1176 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[04:33] <brad_> not sure, its for my buddies computer...I think its a broadcom
[04:34] <alonea> SolidSource: Well, this is the first time its ever done this. And Adept would not install Eclipse correctly when I tried it.
[04:34] <Ashex> apparently smb4k has a fairly serious bug
[04:34] <alonea> nor some other apps.
[04:34] <bonbonthejon> brad_: either ndiswrapper or bcm43xx
[04:34] <brad_> bcm43xx
[04:35] <Aurote> hi :)
[04:35] <Aurote> Skype fails to load when I start it. A pastebin is here: http://paste.uni.cc/13670
[04:35] <Aurote> Can anybody help me?
[04:35] <SolidSource> alonea: if you are using the original sources.list from the install...a dependency may not be met
[04:36] <genii> brad_ Hangon I'll find something on this. I dealt with it before (bradcom with bcm43xx driver)
[04:36] <SolidSource> alonea: but some have to be installed via command such as java
[04:36] <Aurote> I already reinstalled it...
[04:37] <brad_> are airport extremes suppose too work?
[04:37] <SolidSource> alonea: and eclipse installed fine through adept for me
[04:37] <alonea> All I know is that Eclipse under adept could not find java at all no matter how many ways I wrote where java was. I installed manually and had noo problems at all. Most stuff I install manually works better than adept. '
[04:37] <fignew> Aurote: have you installed libqt3-mt ?
[04:38] <SolidSource> alonea: you need to update your sources.list...
[04:38] <alonea> especially bad when I tried to use repositories to install binary drivers for video card...
[04:38] <genii> brad_ here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear
[04:38] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > alonea
[04:38] <alonea> the fetch updates thing?
[04:38] <Aurote> fignew: I dont think so I will check it
[04:39] <SolidSource> alonea: no, replace the sources.list....so you can have the repos needed for things
[04:39] <Ashex> bah, this is total retardation
[04:39] <Ashex> so, smb4k 0.7.5 has a serious bug where it corrupts the sudoers file
[04:39] <smorg> Can someone help me with getting a modem working with KPPP?
[04:39] <Ashex> this was back in october
[04:39] <Ashex> a fix was released, but it was commited to edgy
[04:39] <alonea> Ok, how do I get these media programs to look in the right place for the codecs?
[04:40] <Ashex> er
[04:40] <Ashex> fiesty
[04:40] <Aurote> fignew:But skype already worked for several days ...
[04:40] <Ashex> so, this bug still exists in edgy
[04:41] <brad_> awesome...thanks
[04:41] <fignew> Aurote: no idea, perhaps you can reinstall skype :/
[04:42] <Aurote> fignew:I already did that and I have this libqt3-mt
[04:42] <fignew> Aurote: you could also try running it with sudo
[04:43] <Aurote> fignew: it is the same result
[04:43] <Aurote> fignew: but thank you :)
[04:43] <razzorz> hey fignew... so if i have this correct.. due to the ubuntu i installed i may be restricted for the media i can playback?..
[04:44] <fignew> razzorz: could you rephrase? do you mean will you be able to playback everything?
[04:44] <SolidSource> alonea: if you use adept to install mplayer and such then they will automatically find them
[04:44] <razzorz> no i mean i won't be able to paly back some dvd's
[04:45] <razzorz> due to the copywrite
[04:45] <alonea> SolidSource: I did that and still no go.
[04:45] <fignew> ermm, playing a DVD is _NOT_ against copyright
[04:45] <alonea> and I put the binaries I got earlier is /usr/local/lib/codecs too
[04:45] <fignew> all DVDs will play under Linux assuming DeCSS is installed
[04:45] <SolidSource> alonea: ok what did you install? libxine-extracodecs, mplayer, w32codecs, etc?
[04:46] <razzorz> fignew :i c..ty
[04:47] <SolidSource> alonea: but libxine, w32codecs are in /usr/lib
[04:47] <razzorz> fignew: what is the diff between "kubuntu, edubuntu,.,ect
[04:48] <alonea> SolidSource: pretty much. Though I had to grab the codecs from Linux x86 binary, which worked fine yesterday on a different distro. AMD64 doesn't have them.
[04:49] <fignew> razzorz: lol, Kubuntu uses KDE as the Desktop, Ubuntu uses Gnome, Edubuntu uses Gnome, but is meant for schools
[04:49] <SolidSource> alonea: ubuntu is not like most distros....I am using AMD64...libxine-extracodecs, mplayer, etc are available....w32codecs yoiu have to manually install (the deb with --force-all)
[04:50] <Aurote> Skype fails to load when I start it. A pastebin is here: http://paste.uni.cc/13670
[04:50] <alonea> SolidSource: Mplayer said they are supposed to go where I said and thats where XIne found them last time. I can try in /usr/lib
[04:51] <fignew> SolidSource: w32codecs with 64 bit?
[04:51] <SolidSource> fignew: yes, it works
[04:52] <Valued> Anyone: I'm in the process of setting up a Kubuntu partition, and I want to copy files from a prior distro (ie: kmail, etc.) on my old partition. How do I do this when they are all locked?
[04:52] <fignew> Valued: locked?
[04:52] <SolidSource> alonea: first forget about other distros....they are not like ubuntu
[04:52] <alonea> SolidSource: Er, when I put on Mplayer with adept does it make a link in the K Menu
[04:53] <SolidSource> alonea: yes
[04:53] <fignew> alonea: give it a minute, it'll show up
[04:53] <alonea> SolidSource: Well, I would be using other distros if they actually worked..gentoo would not install
[04:53] <alonea> Umm, Movie Player/
[04:53] <alonea> Because thats Totem...
[04:53] <SolidSource> alonea: if you use adept, you will have fewer problems
[04:54] <fignew> SolidSource: over apt-get?
[04:54] <alonea> SolidSource: for the last time, I tried installing Mplayer with adept and I dont see it anywhere.
[04:54] <fignew> alonea: <alt> F2
[04:54] <SolidSource> fignew: apt-get does essentially the samething
[04:54] <fignew> then type in mplayer
[04:54] <fignew> SolidSource: I know ;)
[04:55] <alonea> fignew: could not run
[04:55] <SolidSource> alonea: its probably broken then
[04:55] <fignew> open up the konsole
[04:55] <fignew> and run it there, and see what error message it gives you
[04:55] <alonea> SolidSource: most likely since adept wont install anything at all now
[04:56] <ForgeAus> grrr broken packages and versioning... it drives me crazy!
[04:56] <SolidSource> alonea: no, its probably due to adept looking for something and its not where it should be
[04:56] <ForgeAus> or a missing dependancy
[04:56] <alonea> SolidSource: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a : I thought this was supposed to fix it, but I get errors when I run it. it started failing everything right after I did it
[04:56] <test_> hello
[04:57] <fignew> alonea: what is the exact error?
[04:57] <SolidSource> alonea: try running it again and pastebin the error
[04:57] <test_> wow this is my first time useing Ubuntu
[04:57] <test_> it's cool
[04:57] <fignew> test_: good times :)
[04:58] <ForgeAus> test its nice uh? :)
[04:58] <test_> ya real eazy to install and run. updats are peace of cake
[04:59] <ForgeAus> hehe they can be
[04:59] <test_> im bad at type comands so i like ubuntu then gentoo
[04:59] <Skuller> hey guys. if i use the LIVEDVD to install kubun and use the dvd to get the packages from (most probably they will be old versions) and i update them, will i have to download the whole package again or just the 'update' for the software?
[04:59] <ForgeAus> yeah I like gui too
[04:59] <SolidSource> Skuller: you download whole packages
[05:00] <Skuller> SolidSource: so dvd has no advantage over cd?
[05:00] <alonea> SolidSource: the compile error?
[05:00] <genii> Skuller So long as you don't clean out /var/cache/apt/archives you should do fine
[05:00] <test_> is there a way to change the gui in ubuntu with out knowing alot of shit or little
[05:00] <SolidSource> Skuller: not really
[05:00] <ForgeAus> wait there DVD has ONE SET of packages
[05:00] <ForgeAus> the online updates arr another SET of packages
[05:00] <SolidSource> alonea: run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and pastebin the error
[05:00] <Skuller> genii: what advantage do i have if i dont delete those files?
[05:01] <genii> Skuller Sorry, for update, yes will d/l entire files again
[05:01] <Skuller> so is there ANY advantage of using/installing from DVD rather than CD?
[05:01] <ForgeAus> but not like DVD-sized files
[05:01] <ForgeAus> Skuller that depends on the CD
[05:02] <genii> Skuller: Anyways, that is where all the installation (deb) files which get installed stay after they have been installed
[05:02] <Morvok> faster transfer?
[05:02] <ForgeAus> and what packages are on it vs the DV vs online ones
[05:02] <fignew> Skuller: yes, more packages, so If you wanted a non-standard package, you might be able to get it from the DVD instead of the internet
[05:02] <SolidSource> Skuller: no, the DVD only really has more programs to be abl eto be used as you are in the LIVE session
[05:02] <Valued> test: what do you want to do to the gui?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> SolidSource, like say QCAD and Koffice and stuff?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> it doesn't actually install more packages?
[05:03] <Skuller> genii: SolidSource: thanks...i guess the dvd is nothing better to be installing the OS from
[05:03] <ForgeAus> it just has more packages pre-installed on it
[05:04] <alonea> there something else besides pastebin? its not appearing to work..
[05:04] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: no it doesn;'t really install any more packages
[05:04] <test_> can i install windows .exe games on ubuntu?
[05:04] <SolidSource> alonea www.pastebin.sk
[05:04] <ForgeAus> isn't it better to have them install on startup from packages on the DVD :) ? kinda like klik?
[05:04] <Skuller> SolidSource: you mean to say that all softwares that get installed after u install the OS from a DVD are the same as from a cd?
[05:04] <Valued> test: yes, if you use Wine. If you've got Windows, you can install it with VMWare Player or VIrtualBox.
[05:04] <alonea> ok, this one works...
[05:04] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: yes
[05:05] <SolidSource> Skuller: yes
[05:05] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: I mean, the DVD install and the CD have the same base install
[05:05] <alonea> ok, here is the compile thing for mplayer http://pastebin.ca/394248
[05:05] <Skuller> SolidSource: so its only the 'extra' packages that we want that we can install from the dvd....or get it from the interne and also their latest versionn is it?
[05:06] <Skuller> ohh...cool...they have same base install
[05:06] <Skuller> so i wasted my 1 week downloading the kubun dvd
[05:06] <ForgeAus> Solid yeah I get it... its just the live image thats different, it'd be nicer if the live image was somehow able to be built from packages rather than just the image
[05:06] <ForgeAus> Skuller basically yeah
[05:06] <test_> i dont see wine in my progame list. and i did all the addons on ubuntu
[05:06] <ForgeAus> when you could have got the same install from the CD...
[05:06] <ForgeAus> but you do have more options to use the DVD when you use it as a LiveDVD
[05:06] <SolidSource> alonea: thats what you get from running "sudo dpkg --configure -a"?
[05:07] <alonea> SolidSource: hang on already! http://pastebin.ca/394249 there.
[05:07] <Valued> Test: It should be there, I just installed it under Kubuntu 6.10. Well... I'm *currently* installing it.
[05:08] <ForgeAus> Solid whats different about the base install from the CD to the live CD? seems to have all the same pacakges... only difference seems to be the installer is missing...
[05:08] <Morvok> what is a good package to use tv-in.. (hopefully supporting ins on each of the 3 video cards)?
[05:08] <Valued> It was located somewhere odd, like in 'Extras' with the screensavers or something. I'm using the Adept installer.
[05:08] <ForgeAus> also *some* packages even pre-installed its ok to copy them into a kubuntu installation but adept most likely won't know about them...
[05:09] <Morvok> mplayer?
[05:09] <alonea> SolidSource: ok, nm completely on adept. I got the error off by purging that pkg
[05:09] <test_> ok brb i will keep looking
[05:09] <SolidSource> alonea: the package was broken from the start probably
[05:10] <ForgeAus> hmmm I really need feisty I think
[05:10] <ForgeAus> unless it breaks my edgy
[05:10] <ForgeAus> but I'm not going to know that until I try it most likely
[05:10] <Dr_willis> wait a month or so then. :)
[05:10] <alonea> SolidSource: Still need to figure what I am missing or why mplayer isn't compiling..
[05:10] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: just wait till its released
[05:10] <Valued> Gurus: How do I copy stuff from another partition (of another distro) when the directories are locked?
[05:11] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis i'm waiting until the kubuntu distribution upgrade tool is available
[05:11] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  heh.. im not sure that will happen soon. :)
[05:11] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis then I won't updgrade soon
[05:11] <alonea> SolidSource: and the only mplayer i see on adept is kmplayer. think thats totem
[05:11] <Dr_willis> then again. given the disasters the last 'upgrades' have been with many people. I find a clean reinstall much safer
[05:11] <SolidSource> alonea: kmplayer is mplayer for konqueror
[05:12] <alonea> SolidSource: ok, then where is mplayer?
[05:12] <SolidSource> alonea: go into adept and search for mplayer, then select details and it will show you what is required for mplayer install
[05:12] <ForgeAus> (once I have I'll get the LiveCD to go with it... I have a few friends asking for a copy but I havn't given it out because my current Live CD I think its slightly corrupt... Open Office and the power manager/kcmdisplay module are damaged/non-functional)
[05:12] <Skuller> Dr_willis: am with you there...clean install is the way to go according to me no matter how much time someone spent in customising the OS
[05:12] <alonea> SolidSource: its not showing up. only kmplayer
[05:12] <ForgeAus> I still can't get kcmdisplay working... but OOffice updates nicely functions nicely after a base install...
[05:12] <Dr_willis> and with me keeping my /home on its own hd.. that makes it that much easier
[05:13] <SolidSource> alonea: fetch updates
[05:13] <alonea> SolidSource: Nope. still not here
[05:13] <Skuller> Dr_willis: if we dont delete the /home partition and do a clean install of feisty later on will it have any problems?
[05:13] <alonea> SolidSource: Is it on a repo that is not on the list it comes with?
[05:13] <SolidSource> alonea: ok, you need a new sources.list so that the right repos are available
[05:14] <ForgeAus> but then I've added lotsa subsystems into my kubuntu that probably shouldn't b there ... like some manually copied some binaries from slackware packages... and I now have BSD's pkgsrc and a few others built into my kubuntu distro
[05:14] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > alonea
[05:14] <ForgeAus> mind you I havn't successfully installed any BSD packages into it yet....
[05:14] <SolidSource> alonea:  the one that is default on the system doesn't have much at all
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Skuller,   shouldent have any problems.  ive not had any.
[05:15] <Skuller> cool
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Skuller,  only issue ive seen is that some times the newer gnome or kde may not like the old gnome/kde settings - but thats easially fixed
[05:15] <razzorz> anyone wanna give me the skiny on a good dvd/cd burning app
[05:15] <ForgeAus> theres a few discrepancies between xfree and xorg I found too.. but mostly that was just a matter of putting symbolic links in places xfree expected them
[05:15] <Skuller> Dr_willis: u mean those settings reside in /home?
[05:16] <Valued> raxxorz: use K3B.
[05:16] <alonea> SolidSource: where is the file that I can edit to put this in?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> does feisty use X11R7? or still X11R6?
[05:16] <razzorz> thanks
[05:17] <test_> wow Ubuntu with all the addons i could get with updats uses about 6gb
[05:17] <Valued> anyone want to help? I've just run into a problem with Adept. I chose vmware-player, and it's stuck. <Show Details> displays a text-based popup with a EULA. How do I click the 'OK' button on it?
[05:17] <ForgeAus> really? thats smaller than I thought!
[05:17] <Skuller> test_: hehe..i am envious you have the bandwidth to get that much
[05:17] <test_> it's just dsl 3.0mbs
[05:17] <SolidSource> alonea: ALT+F2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:18] <Skuller> test_: yea..only about 24 times faster than my 128kbps adsl
[05:18] <test_> make you a wifi cannon and jump on some ones
[05:18] <razzorz> valued:  happen to have a link to kb3
[05:18] <razzorz> lol
[05:18] <test_> the updates only download at 192kbs
[05:18] <Skuller> ??
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Skuller,  each user has their own settings in their home dir.. yes...
[05:19] <Skuller> Dr_willis: oh then i will stick with a whole reformat....thanks :)
[05:19] <SolidSource> alonea: you will need to follow those instructions at the top of the new list
[05:19] <Valued> razzorz: it's usually part of the distro. It's under 'Multimedia' under Kubuntu 6.10.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Skuller,  why - you aint gaining mychg by formating /home
[05:19] <razzorz> on the disk i assume
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Skuller,  given that my user has a few gb+ of data files. :) i will keep home all by itself.
[05:19] <razzorz> not in the distro
[05:20] <Valued> razzorz: odd. you should find it in adept.
[05:20] <razzorz> adept?
[05:20] <Skuller> Dr_willis: i guess my personal preference of a 'refurnishment' backs the idea up....yea you have a diff case since u ave a lot of data....
[05:20] <test_> valued :  dont see wine any ware. maybe it's becouse i got 6.6 with updates
[05:20] <Valued> razzorz: the 'Adept Installer' = 'Add/Remove Programs'
[05:21] <razzorz> Valued. yes i am there
[05:21] <Skuller> Dr_willis: i move all my downloaded data to ntfs volumes...so np with a clean install of /home as well
[05:21] <razzorz> and i still looking
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Skuller,  of course i also want to keep my xchat configs, and firefox settings/exetnsions/bookmarks, and so forth.
[05:21] <razzorz>  Valued .:and i don't see mulitmedia
[05:21] <Valued> test: I'm on 6.10, so that's probably it. You can go to http://www.winehq.org and download it there.
[05:22] <Skuller> Skuller: hmm...i think i changed my mind back again then...thnx :D
[05:22] <Valued> razzorz: check out http://k3b.plainblack.com/
[05:22] <razzorz> why don't i have  multimeda
[05:23] <SolidSource> razzorz: have you installed the codecs?
[05:23] <Valued> razzorz: dunno, i just installed kubuntu last night.
[05:23] <razzorz> getting back to my first Issue
[05:24] <Valued> anyone have a clue what I can do now that Adept is stuck?
[05:24] <SolidSource> Valued: what were you installing?
[05:24] <Skuller> Valued: kill that process and !adeptfix and open it again?...(sorry guys if this is a stupid suggestion but thats all i know)
[05:25] <SeSqurl> <----Noob to everything linux :P
[05:25] <Valued> It got to vmware-player. the install program wants a confirmation to a text dialog box, but you can't access it.
[05:25] <SolidSource> Valued: kill the program
[05:25] <Valued> Can I run Adept from the command line?
[05:26] <SolidSource> valued: then open konsole and type "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[05:26] <Skuller> SolidSource: what does that command do?
[05:26] <razzorz> You know i am gettin real sick of that dam shift,backspace my gawd
[05:26] <SolidSource> Valued: then to install vmware-player type "sudo apt-get install vmware-player"
[05:27] <Valued> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process. How do I properly kill the process?
[05:27] <alonea> SolidSource: I dont get it...it says something about a key in the file, but what file and what key? I am just looking at text on a page
[05:28] <Skuller> gpg?
[05:28] <SolidSource> Valued: you need to kill adept so ALT+F2 and type "kdesu ksysguard"
[05:28] <Skuller> i guess the key is in sources.list?
[05:28] <razzorz> wow
[05:28] <alonea> yeah, I mean, cant I just copy and paste this somewhere?
[05:28] <SolidSource> alonea: the key is in the sources.list above each set of repos
[05:28] <razzorz> solidsource: that was my fist quistion of the day was the codec
[05:28] <SolidSource> razzorz: and you installed them?
[05:29] <SolidSource> razzorz: or no answer?
[05:29] <alonea> oh! ok, i see, but do I have to do that for each one over and over? With both lists thats around 10
[05:29] <razzorz> solidosurce: would come to think i did not
[05:29] <alonea> more than 10
[05:29] <SolidSource> alonea: no just need to do it once for each key....
[05:29] <Valued> SolidSource: Thanks, killed it, ran dpkg.
[05:29] <SolidSource> !mp3 > razzorz
[05:30] <SolidSource> !dvd > razzorz
[05:30] <SeSqurl> I can't load Kaffeine anymore, I only ran it once and it crashed.  I have never had it load since.
[05:30] <SolidSource> alonea: theres really only 4
[05:30] <r3factored> evening, im trying to run eclipse on kubuntu edgy amd64 but get an error saying it cant find 'qtengine' in the module path. Im not sure if this is a missing lib or an amd64 32bit compatibility problem. I do run other apps in 32bit mode so not sure.
[05:31] <SolidSource> r3factored: you need to install ia32 libraries
[05:31] <razzorz> solid: ty but i think i have more issues then just knowing where they are..
[05:31] <r3factored> SolidSource: did that already
[05:31] <r3factored> SolidSource: im running firefox32 now
[05:31] <tesla> Does anyone here know of a way to find out the chipset of a wificard? :)
[05:32] <SolidSource> razzorz: how so?
[05:32] <razzorz> what the hell am i looking for
[05:32] <r3factored> SolidSource: thats why im a little perplexed - additionally i have another program that will not run saying it needs 'gtk2' libraries but ive installed almost every package available
[05:32] <tesla> I've tried lspci, but that doesn't seem to tell me anything about the chipset
[05:32] <r3factored> tesla: lspci or modprobe -l ?
[05:33] <tesla> r3factored, I'll try modprobe
[05:33] <razzorz> Solid: i guess i am a hands on doin once get it do it twice to understand it.. but since i have not did it at alli am sorta preplexed
[05:33] <r3factored> tesla: i think that might give it
[05:33] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok, what specifically are you trying to do?
[05:33] <razzorz>  solid: mind my lingo .. i hope you understoood
[05:34] <razzorz> i want my codec installed
[05:34] <razzorz> sorry Solid:
[05:34] <SolidSource> r3factored: yeah I've seen that qtengine error....
[05:34] <r3factored> tesla: additionally i believe you can see it in the device manager even though it cant use it lol
[05:34] <tesla> r3factored, I that only gave me the name of the driver
[05:34] <alonea> SolidSource: Do I need to do both lists?
[05:35] <tesla> :-)
[05:35] <r3factored> SolidSource: yeah its driving me nuts - however 64 bit runs very well.
[05:35] <draik> Would anyone know where I can get help for setting up my scanner, Cannon CanoScan D646U?
[05:35] <SolidSource> razzorz: those things ubotu should explain how to install...but in any case...for mp3 open konsole and type: "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[05:35] <r3factored> tesla im trying toremember how i did that when i battling hell with broadcomm drivers on another machine
[05:35] <razzorz> ok
[05:35] <alonea> SolidSource: and are the new links supposed to show up in the manage repo screen?
[05:35] <SolidSource> alonea: NOOO....you replace everything in the originall list with the stuff source-o-matic gave you
[05:36] <dsmith> hi, has anyone used the paid ubuntu support?
[05:36] <SolidSource> alonea: you need to exit adept
[05:36] <r3factored> tesla: check dmesg also or syslog i seem to recall it listed the info in there despite not being able to use it
[05:36] <tesla> r3factored lol, my friend used to have a broadcom card, and it gave him a lot of hell too :(  Currently I have an intel card, and it works just fine unless I try to connect to a wlan with WEP
[05:36] <alonea> SolidSource: I am confused...I did the gpg thing and I reloaded adept and still no mplayer...
[05:36] <SolidSource> razzorz: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:37] <tesla> r3factored: okay thanks :)
[05:37] <SolidSource> alonea: fetch updates
[05:37] <alonea> SolidSource: did that...
[05:37] <dsmith> I am getting ready to deploy ubuntu desktops and am wondering if it is worth paying for support or not
[05:37] <razzorz> ok
[05:37] <razzorz> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:37] <razzorz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:37] <razzorz> is only available from another source
[05:37] <razzorz> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidat
[05:37] <razzorz> SORRY
[05:37] <r3factored> SolidSource: im thinking about just building gtk from source.
[05:37] <tesla> telsa: dksl
[05:37] <SolidSource> razzorz: don't do that
[05:38] <r3factored> tesla: is it a broadcomm?
[05:38] <razzorz> ya i know
[05:38] <SolidSource> !pastebin > razzorz
[05:38] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > razzorz
[05:38] <tesla> r3factored: nope, it's Intel Wireless/PRO 2200
[05:38] <AxlRose> tesla as in the band?
[05:39] <SolidSource> alonea: you copied what source-o-matic gave you and pasted it over everything in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:39] <r3factored> tesla: well at least its not a broadcomm that driver is biggest PITA to get working.
[05:39] <SolidSource> alonea: and saved it
[05:39] <tesla> AxlRose: nah, the scientist :)
[05:39] <AxlRose> telsa:  booooo :P
[05:39] <r3factored> as in tesla coils
[05:39] <tesla> yeah
[05:39] <tesla> Or like the unit of magnetism
[05:39] <AxlRose> or like a great band :D
[05:39] <r3factored> yeah that guy was amazing
[05:40] <tesla> r3factored: Agreed!
[05:40] <alonea> SolidSource: no. I asked if there was a file and you said follow instructions which just says the gpg key thing.
[05:40] <SolidSource> alonea: no I said to copy over it
[05:41] <SolidSource> alonea: but do it again.....and then save it and close, then run those commands
[05:41] <alonea> SolidSource: save what? and where?
[05:41] <tesla> r3factored: Yeah.. I'm having no luck finding out what the chipset is.. do you think it would be possible to find out online by searching the card name?
[05:41] <dsmith> #canonical
[05:42] <r3factored> tesla what machine?
[05:42] <tesla> hp dv400
[05:42] <SolidSource> alonea: ok... hit ALT+F2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:42] <r3factored> ok so it came with the machine?
[05:43] <SolidSource> alonea: then copy what supplied here http://pastebin.sk/1072/ over all that is in that file
[05:43] <edward_> it there a way to clean up temp files like in  windows?
[05:43] <r3factored> i would go to hp and look for the machine specs and see whats listed, and/or go to the intel site or search for specs for that card. they are out there you just have to find them.
[05:43] <r3factored> linux aka the tinkerers dream ;)
[05:43] <tesla> r3factored: I'll try that out.
[05:43] <SeSqurl> I fixed it, I guess I had more than one Kaffeine loaded, works now :)
[05:44] <SolidSource> alonea: then run these 2 commands (just copy and paste them) : http://pastebin.sk/en/1073/
[05:44] <r3factored> im still tinkering with my bluetooth headset to get working with skype hee hee
[05:44] <tesla> r3factored: I'm thinking about investing in a new card though..
[05:44] <SolidSource> alonea: the commands run in konsole
[05:44] <tesla> that's fun :)  I don't know much about using bluetooth
[05:44] <r3factored> tesla: one sec
[05:44] <tesla> r3factored: okay
[05:46] <`Z`> yop
[05:47] <SolidSource> alonea: got it now?
[05:48] <Morvok> anyone know how to grab the video-in off a video card?
[05:48] <alonea> SolidSource: I just copy pasted what was on that page to the soures.list I found and thats all I had to do..no commands or anything
[05:48] <SolidSource> alonea: actually you do need the commands for updating and installing via apt-get in konsole
[05:49] <r3factored> tesla: hp dv400 notebook correct?
[05:50] <r3factored> tesla: that a pavillion?
[05:50] <alonea> SolidSource: Why? Mplayer showed up finally and installed, though when I try to watch video I get -vo thing
[05:50] <SolidSource> alonea: in order to open the full range of the repos and have no errors show up
[05:52] <alonea> no errors have shown up so far...and on the page it says only go key thing IF you get errors. nto that you will. but to make you happy I will do it anyway
[05:52] <SolidSource> alonea: you won't see the errors in adept
[05:53] <SolidSource> alonea: but if your ok with it now...ok
[05:53] <alonea> SolidSource: when I di dcommands it said nothing changed..
[05:53] <tesla> r3factored: r3factored: Yep, sorry about the delay.. :P
[05:53] <r3factored> tesla:  k
[05:54] <SolidSource> alonea: but if you open konsole and run "sudo apt-get update" you will see if you need to use the commands
[05:55] <Valued> I'm in the process of moving from PCLOS to Kubuntu. I need to transfer files from one partition to another. Kubuntu sees the directories as locked. Is there an easy way to do this?
[05:55] <r3factored> tesla: i cant even find specs on that - how old is it?
[05:55] <edward_> anyway of deleting old temp files like done in windows?
[05:55] <alonea> SolidSource: ok, did that, and? was I supposed to get an error or something?
[05:56] <r3factored> tesla: its probably this: Intel Pro Wireless 3945ABG
[05:56] <r3factored> A/AB/ABG one of those
[05:56] <Valued> edward: what sort of temp files?
[05:56] <SolidSource> alonea: you already ran the key commands, so probably not
[05:56] <tesla> r3factored a couple years..  Is that a chipset?  I'm kind of confused on what I'm looking for now :(  I know the card name is Intel Wireless/Pro 2200BG.. is that also the name of the chipset?
[05:57] <SolidSource> alonea: at least you said you ran them
[05:57] <r3factored> ahhh cool one sec - didnt know you had the model
[05:57] <alonea> SolidSource: twice it looks like
[05:57] <tesla> r3factored: I was looking for something along the lines of HERMES, or PRISM, or something like that
[05:57] <edward_> linux doesn't store temp files like done in windows?
[05:57] <alonea> SolidSource: know anything about not initializing the -vo?
[05:57] <SolidSource> alonea: you can run them as many times as you want...it will just keep overwritings
[05:57] <edward_> use to running system tools in windows to clean up temp files
[05:58] <r3factored> tesla: are you looking for a driver?
[05:58] <alonea> SolidSource: sorry I have been real short. I lack sleep and well, its just been a long day and I havent been in the best of moods.
[05:58] <tesla> r3factored: I'm looking for a chipset, sadly I must admit that I'm not perfectly sure what that is..
[05:58] <Valued> edward: Linux generally creates temp files in your home directory. They start with a '.' (like '.kde'), so by default, you don't see them.
[05:58] <r3factored> tesla: look here -> http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[05:59] <tesla> r3factored: I'm looking into getting a new wificard, and I was told that I should look for one with the HERMES, or PRISM2 chipset.  So I was curious what my current one was. :)
[05:59] <r3factored> ahh
[05:59] <Valued> edward: In Konqueror, go to 'View' in the menu, and turn on 'Show Hidden Files' and you'll see them.
[05:59] <SolidSource> alonea: that could be due to codecs....but not entirely sure...cause last I saw that one, I tried playing it again and the error didn't show
[05:59] <r3factored> tesla: also look here -> http://support.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/pro2200bg/
[05:59] <Valued> edward: Or are you referring to automatic backups?
[06:00] <tesla> r3factored: thanks!
[06:00] <r3factored> anytime
[06:00] <alonea> SolidSource: it did this on other distro too...probably need to install those evil binaries again for video card. no 3d accel without it.
[06:01] <Valued> edward: That is, some programs will automatically create backup files after some number of minutes have passed. These generally aren't hidden, they have a '~' in the name instead.
[06:01] <SolidSource> r3factored: have you tried using the blackdown java and nspluginwrapper so you can just run 64bit firefox?
[06:01] <tesla> r3factored: do you know if wificards with a plug for external antennae are still sold?
[06:01] <SolidSource> alonea: what video card do you have?
[06:01] <r3factored> SolidSource: nope i just installed it with the ia32 stuff. I have the exact instructions i saved in a file ;)
[06:01] <r3factored> SolidSource: apt-get install ... ...
[06:02] <Valued> edward: I assume you're worried that a bunch of temporary files are floating around your hard drive?
[06:02] <r3factored> tesla: they are for desktops i have several ;)
[06:02] <SolidSource> r3factored: I know, I've don't that before...but thats what I am using now and don't get the qtengine problem nor have I seen any other problems
[06:02] <SolidSource> don't=done
[06:03] <alonea> SolidSource: ATI Xpress 200. I did this last time I had kubuntu..just have to not do it from repo. it messes up biiiiiig time. I get nice pretty black screen when I come back if i do that.
[06:03] <alonea> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d01742cec183112be090e459b74129606e258f79
[06:03] <r3factored> SolidSource: ah you are using the apt-get or the blackdown?
[06:03] <r3factored> SolidSource: im building gtk from source now
[06:03] <SolidSource> r3factored: for java I used Blackdown
[06:04] <SolidSource> alonea: ok then you know about !ati
[06:04] <SolidSource> !ati > alonea
[06:04] <r3factored> SolidSource: thats interesting - you are thinking a dependency was resolved somewhere along the tree thats not getting satisfied.
[06:05] <SolidSource> r3factored: not exactly, the reason you are getting the qtengine error is because firefox32 can't access the 64bit qutengine
[06:06] <alonea> SolidSource: well, good luck to me on getting this on...pray I dont get black screen. I have having to reinstal video driver again with rescue
[06:06] <r3factored> SolidSource: but these errors only show up when running eclipse not firefox
[06:06] <r3factored> Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine",
[06:07] <SolidSource> r3factored: yeah, same error I was getting with firefox32
[06:07] <Annirak> ever since I started my upgrade to feisty, I've had weird screen issues.  My screen resolution slooks like it's slightly off, (everything is squished horizontally) and a lot of things shake, but not everything on the screen.  The Monitor and Display item of my System Settings window is also missing.  The icon is still there, but I get an error message saying it was orphaned when I try to run it.  I'm using the ATI drivers from
[06:07] <r3factored> hmmm
[06:07] <Annirak> ubuntu-restricted.
[06:07] <r3factored> SolidSource: AHA! dpkg -l shows 'un  gtk2.0-engines <none>         (no description available)
[06:07] <SolidSource> r3factored: well good luck with compiling 32bit GTK
[06:08] <r3factored> SolidSource: thanks i think i just found my problem
[06:08] <SolidSource> r3factored: the IA32 library isn't complete I think
[06:08] <r3factored> doesnt surprise me but ill take beryl over crappy vista any day anyway!
[06:08] <SolidSource> annirak ask in #ubuntu+1
[06:09] <Annirak> I figured the missing control panel item was kubuntu specific, but ok
[06:09] <SolidSource> Annirak: its a shared channel
[06:12] <alonea> ok...
[06:12] <alonea> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: dpkg --search gave error exit status 1
[06:12] <alonea> dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 256
[06:14] <alonea> oh and before that it said dpkg: /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/libfglrx_gamma.so.1 not found.
[06:14] <root__> mmn,mm
[06:14] <tesla> r3factored: oh, I wanted one for my laptop to increase its range :)
[06:14] <root__> whois
[06:18] <iarwain> hi there, does anyone know how i can change my keyboard layout in Kdm?
[06:20] <aliveuser> iarwain, what happen if define a layout as default?? doesn't it affect kdm??
[06:20] <iarwain> aliveuser, i have set it to azerty, but kdm still uses qwerty
[06:20] <aliveuser> and it is the default??
[06:21] <iarwain> yes
[06:21] <stdin> iarwain: look for the "Option          "XkbLayout"" part in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:21] <ulmolavender> how can I set up a script to be executed every 1/2 hour or so?
[06:21] <stdin> !cron | ulmolavender
[06:21] <ubotu> ulmolavender: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[06:21] <iarwain> stdin, looking =)
[06:21] <stdin> ulmolavender: you can use kcron as a gui to help with that too
[06:22] <iarwain> stdin and aliveuser, thanks for the help :D
[06:22] <ulmolavender> stdin: ooh, that sounds helpful! :D
[06:23] <aliveuser> edgy doesn't display boot process, just a progress bar, how could the boot process log enabled??
[06:23] <el_isma> Hello. I want to run xfs check over my / partition. how do I do it?
[06:23] <stdin> ulmolavender: it is :P cron can be confusing to get your head around the timings
[06:24] <stdin> aliveuser: remove "splash" from the boot options, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:24] <aliveuser> tnks stdin
[06:24] <aliveuser> :D
[06:24] <Jucato> stdin: actually removing quiet will be enough
[06:24] <aliveuser> perfect
[06:24] <Jucato> removing splash will completely remove the bootsplash..
[06:24] <stdin> Jucato: not if splash is on
[06:24] <Jucato> removing quiet will get you the scrolling text in the bootsplash
[06:24] <stdin> Jucato: ahh, edgy doesn't display any messages does it
[06:24] <Jucato> (not sure if it's still true in feisty though)
[06:25] <stdin> Jucato: I forgot that :P
[06:25] <Jucato> :D
[06:25] <aliveuser> tnks stdin and jucato
[06:26] <mobkey> g++ doesnt have a nice gui? i have no idea whats going on here. i think i just got it to try to compile something
[06:26] <Jucato> O.o
[06:27] <Silveira_Neto> Some time ago, I used a distro with KDE that used to be this: when I was in a folder of videos, the icon of the video was a image preview of the video, like an screenshot. When I hover the mouse over the icon a little floating windows appears and showed a preview of the window. Where is that now? I can use it in Kubuntu?
[06:27] <el_isma> I'm running out of HD space... But I haven't been installing or downloading anything. Where's my space going?
[06:27] <Jucato> mobkey: C++ doesn't really have any GUI. it's just a language. you use a compiler to compile C++ code, like GCC. you can use an IDE to streamline your work process
[06:28] <stdin> el_isma: probably /var, use df to check, or kdirstat for a GUI
[06:28] <el_isma> already cleaned it
[06:28] <el_isma> and ran apt-get clean
[06:29] <Jucato> Silveira_Neto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 browse down to VIdeo Thumbnails in Kubuntu
[06:29] <mobkey> ya ok. i'm just used to visual studio on my other computer. i'll find something. and i said g++ not c++ :P
[06:29] <stdin> el_isma: and about your xfs check, install xfsprogs, which includes fsck.xfs then you can use fsck on /
[06:29] <Jucato> mobkey: G++ is the GCC compiler for C++
[06:29] <ulmolavender> stdin: so will checking daily and 30 have it run every half-hour?
[06:29] <Jucato> and Visual Studio is an IDE, not a compiler...
[06:29] <mobkey> ya. like i said, i'm used to visual studio, which is the compiler for windows, but of course its not command line
[06:29] <Jucato> mobkey: there's KDevelop for IDE in KDE
[06:30] <el_isma> stdin: but it's mounted... and xfs check won't run on mounted fs
[06:30] <mobkey> thanks
[06:30] <stdin> ulmolavender: make sure yo have all the hours selected too
[06:30] <ulmolavender> sankyou
[06:31] <mobkey> this irc client with the help channel right there is real convenient :)
[06:32] <stdin> el_isma: it should check at boot (not sure with xfs tho), but you can run it from a live CD if not. check "man fsck.xfs" (on konsole) or man:/fsck.xfs (in konqueror) for more info on it
[06:33] <el_isma> "fsck.xfs - do nothing, successfully"
[06:33] <el_isma> that's from the man page :D
[06:34] <stdin> hmm :P
[06:35] <stdin> el_isma: 'man xfs_check' then
[06:36] <el_isma> stdin: I know... but it still complains about the fs being mounted
[06:36] <stdin> el_isma: try mounting it read-only then, that should get you somewhere
[06:37] <el_isma> stdin: which runlevel is it? 1?
[06:37] <stdin> el_isma: you'll want to be in runlevel 1, but you'll have to remount the root partition as readonly manually
[06:38] <dmbkiwi> Hi
[06:38] <el_isma> stdin: umount and then mount ro ?
[06:38] <dmbkiwi> Anyone here using enlightenment e17?
[06:38] <stdin> el_isma: no, it would let you unmount it
[06:38] <dmbkiwi> I'm having trouble with mounting usb disks and cdroms/dvds
[06:38] <stdin> el_isma: like this: mount /dev/hda1 -o remount,ro
[06:39] <stdin> el_isma: it's the "-o remount,ro" bit you need
[06:39] <el_isma> stdin: thanks
[06:39] <stdin> :)
[06:40] <el_isma> stdin: so, telinit 1 to runlevel 1, remount, xfs_check, telinit 5 to runlevel 5 to get back up? or should I reboot?
[06:40] <stdin> el_isma: runlevel 2 is default, and you'll need to use "-o remount,rw" first
[06:41] <el_isma> stdin: oh, I thought it did that by itself. Ok, thanks!
[06:41] <el_isma> stdin: gonna try now... wish me luck :)
[06:41] <stdin> yw
[06:42] <stdin> and gl :)
[06:42] <el_isma> yw?
[06:42] <stdin> yw = you're welcome
[06:42] <el_isma> ok :)
[06:45] <alonea> *kills ati*
[06:48] <dmbkiwi> Anyone here using enlightenment e17?
[06:48] <dmbkiwi> I'm having trouble with mounting usb disks and cdroms/dvds
[06:49] <alonea> guess I will have to retry installing drivers...again
[06:49] <el_isma> stdin: I'm back... It won't let me remount, says / is busy
[06:50] <el_isma> stdin: Well... now this is some kind of magic :S df says I've got 1.8Gb free now :| how can it be?
[06:51] <stdin> el_isma: hmm, something has locked a file, or is writing to one. you'll have to try booting in to single user mode and remount from there
[06:52] <stdin> el_isma: and you can use du for a more detailed view, but look at the man page too, as du from / can take a long time
[06:52] <el_isma> how do I tell lilo to boot singleuser?
[06:53] <Axl_Rose> el_isma: you have to change the innitab
[06:53] <stdin> el_isma: no you don't
[06:53] <stdin> el_isma: just choose it ftom the grub menu
[06:53] <el_isma> stdin: I've got lilo
[06:53] <Axl_Rose> el_isma: nm...aparently ubuntu doesn't believe in the inittab
[06:54] <stdin> el_isma: you would have to be difficult :P
[06:54] <stdin> Axl_Rose: ubuntu still reads it, but upstart doesn't install it by default
[06:54] <el_isma> stdin: When I installed ubuntu, the installer said I should use lilo... So I did :) -I installed years ago-
[06:54] <stdin> Axl_Rose: it's handled in /etc/event.d/ now
[06:55] <Axl_Rose> stdin:  ahh ok
[06:55] <Axl_Rose> stdin: I'm more of a gentoo user :D
[06:55] <stdin> el_isma: does lilo allow you to edit the kernel boot options at boot time?
[06:55] <el_isma> stdin: something about grub not liking xfs
[06:55] <el_isma> stdin: I'm not sure
[06:55] <stdin> Axl_Rose: you can still make (or copy) an inittab, and upstart will use it
[06:56] <el_isma> stdin: I've got an inittab
[06:56] <el_isma> stdin: should I modify it?
[06:56] <stdin> el_isma: if not, you'll have to edit the lilo config file, and add "single" to the boot options
[06:57] <stdin> el_isma: I haven't got an inittab, so I'll have to look one up to tell you how to change it :P
[06:57] <the-erm> anyone know off the top of their head how to list all 'displays' on a machine?  I have a display on F9 I'd like to kill, but there's no way to execute a command as near as I can tell.
[06:57] <Axl_Rose> el_isma:  is there a line that says default runlevel in there
[06:57] <Axl_Rose> el_isma:  or something similar
[06:57] <el_isma> stdin / axl_rose : yeah, it's simple
[06:57] <el_isma> it's the first not-commented line
[06:58] <the-erm> never mind ... ctrl-alt-backspace did it.
[06:58] <el_isma> # The default runlevel.
[06:58] <el_isma> id:2:initdefault:
[06:59] <Axl_Rose> el_isma:  runlevel 1 is sungle user
[06:59] <stdin> changing it to "id:1:initdefault:" should do it ( i think ) :P
[06:59] <el_isma> I'm really more comfortable changing lilo.conf
[07:00] <stdin> you can if you want
[07:00] <stdin> just add single to the kernel options
[07:02] <odbyaunome> hello can someonw help me
[07:02] <odbyaunome> trying to install my scanner driver and i cant get past this certain point
[07:03] <odbyaunome> umount /proc/bus/usb
[07:03] <odbyaunome> umount: /proc/bus/usb: device is busy
[07:03] <odbyaunome> anyone awake?
[07:03] <el_isma> stdin / Axl_Rose: just for your info.: I think the lilo keyword for adding boot options to the kernel is append (so: append="single ro")
[07:04] <costezki> hello, Anyone knows where to get from the PGP Authorisation key for Ubuntu ?
[07:04] <alonea> ok, any ideas on why this isn't installing?
[07:04] <alonea> http://pastebin.ca/394315
[07:05] <KaiHanari> /
[07:05] <stdin> odbyaunome: why do you need to unmount it?
[07:05] <odbyaunome> its just what the tut says
[07:06] <costezki> hello, Anyone knows where to get from the PGP Authorisation key for Ubuntu ?
[07:06] <odbyaunome> says to unmount then mount
[07:06] <stdin> costezki: they ate in the package ubuntu-keyring
[07:06] <stdin> odbyaunome: got a link?
[07:06] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  why r u doing buildpackage at the end...and also u should sudo first
[07:06] <odbyaunome> yep one sec
[07:07] <costezki> thanks [stdin] 
[07:07] <odbyaunome> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/sane_install.html#2
[07:07] <odbyaunome> im at number 4 at the bottom of the page
[07:08] <alonea> Axl_Rose: tried with sudo. same thing
[07:08] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  did u try without buildpackage
[07:08] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  because it's always worked for me
[07:08] <alonea> Axl_Rose: and I am following instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI. Scroll down. repo doesnt way didnt work very well for me. This way worked lsat time. (Install from ati.com)
[07:08] <alonea> Axl_Rose: Guess I could try
[07:09] <Axl_Rose> alonea: I also do it from the ATI binary also...but I'm also not on 64 bit
[07:09] <alonea> Yeah, without naming buildpkg it says I am on a x86 machine
[07:10] <Axl_Rose> alonea: ahh sorry then...I won't be much help
[07:10] <alonea> funny thing is this worked without a hitch last time I had this os
[07:10] <stdin> odbyaunome: try "sudo mount -o remount,devmode=0666 /proc/bus/usb" instead
[07:11] <odbyaunome> stdin mount: /proc/bus/usb not mounted already, or bad option
[07:12] <Axl_Rose> alonea: did u do this: sudo aptitude install module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:12] <alonea> Axl_Rose: of course I could try installing x86 anyway and see if it works
[07:13] <alonea> Axl_Rose: oh, the step one thing? yeah
[07:13] <stdin> odbyaunome: do you have any usb devices plugged in?
[07:14] <Axl_Rose> alonea: well if you look at the errors it looks like it's missing the libraries that install in step one
[07:14] <odbyaunome> i just unplugged them, i had a bluetooth adapter and camer
[07:14] <alonea> hmm, maybe something went wrong there.
[07:14] <odbyaunome> same error
[07:14] <Axl_Rose> alonea: I specifically se the libstdc++
[07:15] <alonea> Axl_Rose: gonna look at adept and see if its on there
[07:15] <Axl_Rose> alonea: do u have this directory:   /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/
[07:16] <alonea> Axl_Rose: no, but I do have /usr/lib4
[07:17] <alonea> *lib64
[07:17] <Axl_Rose> alonea: the installation script seems to be looking for /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/ though
[07:18] <stdin> odbyaunome: do you have a inbuilt card reader or something ?
[07:18] <alonea> Axl_Rose: dunno why. I just checked the lib64 folder and all those files are in there
[07:18] <odbyaunome> stdin no i dont, i do have a tablet thats hooked to serial, but thats it
[07:19] <Axl_Rose> alonea: try this  sudo ln -s /usr/lib64 /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/
[07:20] <odbyaunome> stdin maybe if i tried rebooting without any usb devices pluggd in
[07:20] <stdin> odbyaunome: a reboot would do it for you anyway
[07:20] <alonea> Axl_Rose: wierd...says targer /usr/x86 yada yada is not a directoy. I guess i have to mkdir that one real quick
[07:20] <stdin> odbyaunome: you wouldn't have to unmount and remount it then
[07:21] <Axl_Rose> alonea: no don't do that
[07:21] <odbyaunome> stdin, so just issue the 3rd command from the tut after reboot?
[07:21] <Axl_Rose> alonea: it won't work if u make a directoy
[07:21] <alonea> or could I just make that dir and copy lib64 to it?
[07:21] <Axl_Rose> alonea: put an / at the end of the first /usr/lib64
[07:21] <odbyaunome> mknod -m 666 /dev/usbscanner c 180 48
[07:21] <stdin> odbyaunome: yeah
[07:21] <odbyaunome> ok ill give it a try
[07:21] <odbyaunome> brb
[07:22] <Axl_Rose> alonea: so it looks like this sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/ /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/
[07:22] <alonea> tried that. same thing
[07:22] <Axl_Rose> remove the last / of the command then :P
[07:22] <alonea> Axl_Rose: Do you think it will be real bad if I did make that dir and copy lib64 into it?
[07:23] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  remove the last / of the command then :P
[07:23] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  u could always try that
[07:23] <alonea> Axl_Rose: same. ok, will try that.
[07:23] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  i'm not even sure if this is gonna work
[07:23] <el_isma> stdin: So... I booted single user... And the bastard mounted / rw! And wouldn't let me remount, of course...
[07:23] <alonea> me neither
[07:23] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  i would prefer a symlink
[07:23] <alonea> me too..
[07:23] <el_isma> stdin: So I booted a live cd and ran xfs_check and xfs_repair
[07:24] <el_isma> stdin: Now I've got 6Gb of crap in lost+found! :S
[07:24] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  STOP
[07:24] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  I figured it out
[07:24] <stdin> el_isma: heh, yeah I had that once
[07:24] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/ /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64
[07:25] <el_isma> stdin: So... I should just mercylessly kill l+f?
[07:25] <aliveuser> guys, do u recommend using swiftfox instead of firefox??
[07:25] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  but first mkdir /usr/x64_64-linux-gnu/
[07:25] <miltos> morning ppl:-] 
[07:25] <Axl_Rose> alonea:  then sudo ln -s /usr/lib64/ /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64
[07:26] <miltos> for those of you that the recent upgrade of Kubuntu cut off the sound of your system, like me there is a simple solution...
[07:27] <stdin> el_isma: well, files in lost+found are usually pieces of files that were found, so they are effectively moved to lost+found, depending what they are, it can be harmless, or fatal
[07:27] <el_isma> stdin: I think it's just scary that I've got 6Gb of l+f!
[07:27] <miltos> go to the sound system settings and change the autodection device to Threaded Open Sound System, this will turn all sound capabilites of kubuntu in normal
[07:28] <aliveuser> have any of u, have problems with microphone??
[07:28] <miltos> no kubuntu works like charmed here
[07:28] <cotyrothery> I still am not able to get kubuntu to work
[07:28] <el_isma> stdin: I feel dirty :P but anyways, if they're lost, killing them should make no difference, no?
[07:29] <miltos> coyrothery...what's the problem?
[07:29] <miltos> cotyrothery,..what's your problem?
[07:29] <cotyrothery> i still cant get it to reconize that i have installed kubuntu it just comes up with no operating systme
[07:29] <stdin> el_isma: shouldn't, the only reason lost+found is there, is so you can (try) to restore them
[07:29] <dsmith> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp
[07:29] <dsmith> ..interesting
[07:29] <alonea> cotyrothery: is grub showing up?
[07:30] <cotyrothery> how would i know?
[07:30] <cotyrothery> also
[07:30] <cotyrothery> now my f drive is reconized as a dvd drive
[07:30] <el_isma> stdin: How do you find out where all those 6Gb came from? :S
[07:30] <alonea> cotyrothery: when you start your computer does grub 1.5 show up? that is your bootloader
[07:30] <cotyrothery> nope
[07:30] <cotyrothery> nothing
[07:30] <cotyrothery> it just says no operating system
[07:30] <alonea> cotyrothery: ok, then something didnt get installed. You install from live cd right?
[07:31] <cotyrothery> yes
[07:31] <miltos> cotyrothery, check the boot order of your hard disks from BIOS...
[07:31] <cotyrothery> what should it be
[07:32] <alonea> cotyrothery: umm, cdrom them hardrives right miltos?
[07:32] <cotyrothery> i have cd rom first
[07:32] <stdin> el_isma: the hard way, looking in the files and see if you recognise it, or googe. tho I suppose you could try looking at the inode number and seeing where other inodes close to that are
[07:32] <cotyrothery> then my hard driveds
[07:32] <cotyrothery> drives
[07:32] <odbyaunome> stdin i get this error now :Failed to open device 'brother2:bus4;dev1 Error during device I/O
[07:32] <SolidSource> Jucato: still can't see how can stand how slow konqueror loads pages....
[07:32] <miltos> it's safe to try...just try to change the order
[07:32] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:32] <odbyaunome> stdin thats the error from xsane
[07:32] <el_isma> stdin: great :S Thanks! You've been most helpful! :D
[07:33] <stdin> el_isma: I try to be :)
[07:33] <cotyrothery> i am just getting info for now because it is 2:33 am here
[07:33] <alonea> cotyrothery: ah. also, how did you set up your partition?
[07:33] <cotyrothery> And i am mad because i want kubuntu to work
[07:33] <cotyrothery> um
[07:33] <cotyrothery> i just tolled it to erase everything
[07:33] <cotyrothery> i dont really know what i did
[07:33] <cotyrothery> though
[07:34] <miltos> cotyrothery, if there a SATA hard drive, probably you have to tell BIOS to start from there...
[07:34] <cotyrothery> I dont know what type it is
[07:34] <stdin> odbyaunome: not sure, as I don't have the hardware to test it
[07:34] <cotyrothery> i really have no clue
[07:34] <june_> kGhostView turns to a white screen after it loads up a pdf file (it draws, but it seems once it finishes drawing it just dissapears)
[07:34] <alonea> cotyrothery: did you let it do the partition or did you? Generally I prefer 3 partitions. 256-512mb swap, 10-14 gigs for / , and then the rest for /home . ext3 filesystem too.
[07:34] <odbyaunome> stdin ok thanks for your help
[07:35] <odbyaunome> i was able to umount after reboot though
[07:35] <cotyrothery> ok i will try that
[07:35] <miltos> cotyrothery, do you know how to change the boot order of your hd devices under BIOS?
[07:35] <odbyaunome> :)
[07:35] <cotyrothery> but all i did was tell it to erase everything
[07:35] <cotyrothery> and make one parsion
[07:35] <stdin> odbyaunome: try the forums, you may have someone with the same hardware look at the post
[07:35] <cotyrothery> partion
[07:35] <odbyaunome> ok
[07:35] <cotyrothery> yes i know how to change the boot order
[07:36] <miltos> cotyrothery, what operating system you had before installing kubuntu?
[07:36] <alonea> cotyrothery: partition. ^__^ but yes. you generally want a swap. cant think of a reason not to. if you do a / and a /home then if you ever need to reinstall your os you dont have to reformat /home
[07:36] <cotyrothery> xp
[07:36] <june_> !print
[07:36] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:37] <stdin> june_: try kpdf
[07:37] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:37] <cotyrothery> so i need to do 3 partions
[07:37] <alonea> cotyrothery: I find it best to do them myself. How many hard drives do you have? just the one?
[07:37] <miltos> cotyrothery, we actually need only 2 partitions for kubuntu, swap and /root...
[07:38] <cotyrothery> two
[07:38] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:38] <cotyrothery>  so two
[07:38] <sergio_> Hola
[07:38] <alonea> miltos: yes, but with 3 you can save your files and still reformat your root without loosing those.
[07:38] <stdin> !es
[07:38] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:39] <alonea> really, its up to the user. but yes, you do need the 2 partitions at least cotyrothery
[07:41] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:41] <alonea> I also just find it safer to have the third for most of my files
[07:42] <cotyrothery> so i guess i will be spending day trying to get this to work again
[07:42] <cotyrothery> i took a break for a little while after that 12 hour try
[07:43] <cotyrothery> #kubuntu-ot
[07:43] <alonea> cotyrothery: hmm, i got mine up yesterday in under an hour
[07:43] <cotyrothery> wow
[07:43] <cotyrothery> how
[07:44] <cotyrothery> it has put me under a lot of stress
[07:44] <cotyrothery> and time
[07:44] <alonea> cotyrothery: put disk in, make partition, install.
[07:44] <cotyrothery> lol
[07:44] <cotyrothery> wow easy for you
[07:44] <alonea> cotyrothery: but really, it is indeed best to make your own partition. how big is your harddrive?
[07:44] <cotyrothery> I did that and got nothing
[07:44] <cotyrothery> the one i am using for kubuntu is 15 GB
[07:45] <alonea> cotyrothery: oh ok, wow. thats like small for me. Harddrives are so cheap these days
[07:45] <cotyrothery> yea
[07:45] <cotyrothery> i am going to get the 500 gb
[07:45] <cotyrothery> one day
[07:45] <alonea> cotyrothery: they selling 1tb ones now
[07:46] <cotyrothery> really
[07:46] <cotyrothery> ??
[07:46] <cotyrothery> woooow
[07:46] <cotyrothery> how much
[07:46] <stdin> a lot
[07:46] <alonea> cotyrothery: anyway. I would make swap probably 256mb and then rest can be root ( / )
[07:46] <ree_> :)
[07:46] <alonea> cotyrothery: i think it was 400-500 bucks
[07:46] <cotyrothery> that is cheap
[07:46] <cotyrothery> I will have to get that
[07:47] <cotyrothery> when i get my new computer
[07:47] <alonea> cotyrothery: indeed. it was it circuit city i think
[07:47] <cotyrothery> that is sick
[07:47] <cotyrothery> that is what servers use
[07:47] <cotyrothery> off topic but does anyone here have a psp
[07:48] <alonea> cotyrothery: but yeah, do partition yourself. also, if it gives you a choice do ext3 (should be default)
[07:48] <alonea> cotyrothery: yeah, I do.
[07:48] <cotyrothery> Do you hack it?
[07:48] <alonea> cotyrothery: I am after I get a decent stick. wanna put my ps1 games on it.
[07:48] <cotyrothery> oh
[07:48] <cotyrothery> yea
[07:48] <cotyrothery> i only have a 1gb
[07:48] <cotyrothery> i want the 8 gb
[07:49] <cotyrothery> but do you hack it
[07:49] <cotyrothery> IF so do you have 3.03 OE-C
[07:49] <odbyaunome> whats the command for displaying my version of ubuntu
[07:50] <alonea> cotyrothery: haven't hacked it yet.  I only have a 256mb stick...no use hacking when i dont have the space to do much
[07:50] <cotyrothery> that is plenty
[07:50] <cotyrothery> i know people who only have 32 mb
[07:50] <cotyrothery> sticks
[07:51] <cotyrothery> and do it
[07:51] <cotyrothery> what firmwware do you have
[07:51] <cotyrothery> I have 3.03 OE-C
[07:51] <alonea> cotyrothery: i honestly dont remember. havent messed with it in a while.
[07:51] <alonea> cotyrothery: I can check real quick
[07:51] <cotyrothery> look in the system settings
[07:52] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:52] <cotyrothery> If you have a downgradable psp
[07:52] <cotyrothery> i can help you downgraded
[07:52] <cotyrothery> considering you have helped me
[07:52] <cotyrothery> Just to let you know im all about the psp
[07:52] <cotyrothery> that is what is on my mind 24/7
[07:54] <alonea> cotyrothery: I have System Software Version 2.81
[07:54] <cotyrothery> yes
[07:54] <cotyrothery> you can downgrade
[07:54] <cotyrothery> Do you have GTA lcs
[07:54] <ismael_> stdin: More like stdout ;)
[07:55] <seven11> how do i change the default file browser from konquerer to dophin
[07:55] <alonea> cotyrothery: umm (i share this thing with my dad...we both play it) I dont think so.
[07:55] <cotyrothery> how old are you
[07:55] <cotyrothery> ??
[07:55] <cotyrothery> sorry just wondering
[07:55] <stdin> ismael_: just checked my logs, outta boredom and got that (and stdout wad already registered :P )
[07:55] <alonea> cotyrothery: anyways, I dont remember the name of it, but I was going to put that thing on to play ps1 games. I turn 20 in a few months. Its ok to ask. i dont mind
[07:56] <cotyrothery> guess my age
[07:56] <ismael_> stdin: wow... you keep all the logs :S
[07:56] <stdin> ismael_: konversation kepps them, I just don't delete them
[07:56] <Skuller> cotyrothery: hey man..even i have a fwnd who had probs downlgrading from 2.5 firmware so he could play homebrew n psp iso's...he has a 1gb stick available but not GTAlcs
[07:57] <cotyrothery> i can help him
[07:57] <alonea> cotyrothery: hmmm, 16?
[07:57] <cotyrothery> in two months i will be
[07:57] <Skuller> lol cool
[07:57] <Skuller> m 17
[07:57] <cotyrothery> cool
[07:57] <alonea> cotyrothery: ^___^ well, I guess I am good at guessing ages.
[07:57] <cotyrothery> yes
[07:57] <Skuller> cotyrothery: you got hotmail?
[07:57] <cotyrothery> yes
[07:58] <cotyrothery> cotyrothery@hotmail.com
[07:58] <Skuller> cotyrothery: you mind if i give it to my friend so he can contact you?
[07:58] <eisblock> moin
[07:58] <cotyrothery> sure go ahead
[07:58] <cotyrothery> I help so many people it is like a hobby
[07:58] <Skuller> cool
[07:58] <Skuller> too bad he jus went offline....i'll do it soon then
[07:59] <cotyrothery> I even have my own site
[07:59] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:59] <Skuller> cool link?
[07:59] <cotyrothery> www.psphackdeving.110mb.com
[07:59] <cotyrothery> right now i am on a free host
[07:59] <cotyrothery> until i get the money this summer
[07:59] <Skuller> i dont c any problem with a free host though
[08:00] <cotyrothery> yea i like 110mb
[08:00] <cotyrothery> i get 100 gb of bandwidth
[08:00] <seven11> how do i change the default file browser from konquerer to dophin
[08:00] <cotyrothery> and 2 gb of disk storage
[08:01] <stdin> cotyrothery: System Settings -> Default Applications
[08:01] <cotyrothery> what
[08:01] <alonea> cotyrothery: i am a gmail girl myself. killed my hotmail account when that came
[08:01] <cotyrothery> your a GIRL
[08:01] <cotyrothery> cool
[08:02] <cotyrothery> i guess i should have known by the name
[08:02] <stdin> cotyrothery: sorry, tab completion  :P
[08:02] <stdin> seven11: System Settings -> Default Applications
[08:02] <cotyrothery> What are you talking about
[08:02] <alonea> Linux version 2.6.17-11-generic (root@king) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5)) #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 18:03:05 UTC 2007 (Ubuntu 2.6.17-11.35-generic)
[08:02] <alonea> does that mean I have a 32 bit kernel on a 64 machine and os?
[08:03] <seven11> stdin: this was my first guess but i can't change file browser in there
[08:03] <ismael_> alonea: 2.16.17-generic is a 32 bit kernel
[08:03] <stdin> alonea: what does "uname -a" say ?
[08:04] <alonea> stdin: Linux alonea-laptop 2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 18:03:05 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:04] <stdin> seven11: file browser, ahh, that's more difficult
[08:04] <cotyrothery> so skuller what do you think of my site
[08:04] <alonea> ok, why the hell did kubuntu install a 32 bit kernel?
[08:05] <ismael_> alonea: how did you install kubuntu? did you use the amd64 livecd or the "normal" livecd?
[08:05] <alonea> ismael_: 64-bit PC (AMD64) install/live DVD
[08:05] <cotyrothery> I have been wondering what that is
[08:05] <Skuller> cotyrothery: yea i saw it...awesome stuff you have done there i should say
[08:06] <cotyrothery> thanks
[08:06] <ismael_> alonea: then, yes, it is weird :)
[08:06] <cotyrothery> it is a work in progress
[08:06] <stdin> alonea: 2.6.17-11-generic can be 64bit too
[08:06] <alonea> ismael_: @@.
[08:06] <alonea> how can I be sure?
[08:06] <cotyrothery> I am also programming
[08:06] <cotyrothery> for the psp
[08:06] <stdin> alonea: what does "file /bin/bash" say?
[08:07] <Skuller> cotyrothery: lol i would love to see the 'progress' that can be done into it....already a fine site i must add for a 16 yr old
[08:07] <cotyrothery> thanks
[08:07] <cotyrothery> i am planning on adding a lot off stuff
[08:07] <Skuller> programming?...cool
[08:07] <cotyrothery> over time
[08:07] <ismael_> stdin: isn't "generic", well, generic? in the "runs on 386" sense?
[08:07] <cotyrothery> yea
[08:07] <cotyrothery> lua
[08:07] <cotyrothery> c++
[08:07] <cotyrothery> are the main
[08:07] <alonea> stdin: bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped
[08:07] <stdin> alonea: you have the 64 bit version then
[08:08] <stdin> ismael_: it's generic as in, runs on anything
[08:08] <alonea> stdin: o..k..then why isnt my video driver installing?
[08:08] <ismael_> stdin: how is the 64bit userland running? :S
[08:08] <cotyrothery> is it me
[08:08] <cotyrothery> or is everyone having problems with kubuntu
[08:09] <stdin> ismael_: don't know, I use 32bit
[08:09] <alonea> umm, i dont remember what my pastebin was.
[08:09] <clau85> my permissions to /dev/null get after every reboot changed to crw-------
[08:09] <alonea> stdin: basically its looking for files in the wrong place. i found the files it was looking for.
[08:10] <alonea> ex. dpkg: /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/libGL.so.1 not found.
[08:10] <stdin> alonea: http://pastebin.ca/394315 :P
[08:10] <alonea> stdin: thankyou!
[08:10] <alonea> I had restarted computer since then
[08:11] <cotyrothery> I hate restarting my computer
[08:11] <alonea> most of those files are in /usr/lib64/
[08:11] <stdin> alonea: I don't know why it won't compile, why aren't you using the pre-packages version from ubuntu?
[08:11] <cotyrothery> skuller are you there
[08:11] <ismael_> Indeed, prepackaged surely is easier to install
[08:12] <alonea> stdin: last time I did that I got black screen..actually last 4 times. When I had kubuntu before I did it this way and I got 3d accel no problem no messing with bios or anything.
[08:12] <ismael_> alonea: which packages are you using?
[08:12] <cotyrothery> what is your favorite ubuntu os? Ubuntu? Kubuntu? or edubuntu?
[08:13] <alonea> ismael_: whatever that how to says to download
[08:13] <ismael_> cotyrothery: seems like an easy question, specially since we're in #kubuntu :P
[08:14] <alonea> ismael_: if you read later on the page you can change some bios settings it will work, but my os was so slow I could not even load an app
[08:14] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:14] <cotyrothery> well
[08:14] <cotyrothery> you never know
[08:14] <cotyrothery> I like kubuntu
[08:14] <cotyrothery> but i have only experinced it in live cd
[08:14] <ismael_> alonea: which howto?
[08:15] <miltos> how to enable avi preview in my kubuntu?
[08:15] <cotyrothery> Ubuntu wont work on my computer
[08:15] <alonea> ubuntus how to
[08:15] <alonea> ismael_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:15] <alonea> cotyrothery: uuwa? it wont or it just hasnt yet?
[08:16] <cotyrothery> it wont
[08:16] <alonea> cotyrothery: why not?
[08:16] <cotyrothery> well for one my computer sucks
[08:16] <cotyrothery> it has the lowest specs
[08:16] <cotyrothery> 128 mb of ram
[08:16] <cotyrothery> and a 600 mhz processor
[08:16] <cotyrothery> not even close to min. to use ubuntu
[08:17] <alonea> cotyrothery: and? linux is good for running at low specs. Also, you might try gnome. should take up less ram (if you are worried)
[08:17] <cotyrothery> I have not tried
[08:17] <cotyrothery> im so lost on linux
[08:17] <alonea> ouch. why is your compy so crappy?
[08:17] <ismael_> alonea: Actually, I think KDE is easier on the resources
[08:18] <cotyrothery> because it is 7 years old
[08:18] <alonea> ismael_: hmm, I would not think so, but if it is, thats nice
[08:18] <cotyrothery> yea
[08:18] <cotyrothery> kubuntu works great on my computer
[08:18] <cotyrothery> In live cd
[08:18] <alonea> cotyrothery: I think you should just try again and do the partitions like I said and it should work
[08:19] <cotyrothery> Alright
[08:19] <cotyrothery> i will do that later today
[08:19] <inno> so I managed to totally wipe the partition from my USB drive: how do I detect it again to create a partition on it?
[08:19] <cotyrothery> right now it is 3:19 am
[08:19] <cotyrothery> pretty late
[08:19] <alonea> cotyrothery: goto sleep.
[08:19] <cotyrothery> na
[08:19] <cotyrothery> not a sleeper
[08:19] <alonea> cotyrothery: heh
[08:19] <inno> same time here haha
[08:19] <alonea> cotyrothery: I stayed up till 7u am last night
[08:19] <cotyrothery> i stay up 24 hours some times
[08:19] <cotyrothery> never affects me
[08:20] <alonea> me neither
[08:20] <cotyrothery> I cant stand to sleep
[08:20] <cotyrothery> feels like im wasting my life
[08:21] <alonea> when I need to sleep I take benedryl. knocks me right out
[08:21] <cotyrothery> LOL
[08:21] <alonea> anyway, I really want to get this oni video card working. it did it once, sure it can do it again.
[08:21] <cotyrothery> I have to fight myself to go to sleep
[08:22] <ismael_> alonea: I can't find any information on how to install the drivers... They all say that if you install the package all runs smoothly...
[08:22] <SolidSource> alonea: still trying to get ati driver installed?
[08:22] <cotyrothery> inno were do you live
[08:22] <cotyrothery> you said your time was the same
[08:22] <inno> Kingston Ontario
[08:23] <cotyrothery> were is that
[08:23] <alonea> SolidSource: yeah, it not installing...lemme repaste that pastebin
[08:23] <inno> Canada baby!
[08:23] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:23] <SolidSource> alonea: not installing or just not working?
[08:23] <cotyrothery> i live in Georgia, usa
[08:23] <alonea> SolidSource: not installing
[08:23] <alonea> SolidSource: http://pastebin.ca/394315
[08:23] <cotyrothery> I am not to fond of georgia
[08:23] <cotyrothery> I miss california
[08:24] <alonea> SolidSource: (also same output if you use sudo, so that isnt it)
[08:24] <cotyrothery> Manily because im a skater
[08:24] <SolidSource> alonea: tried the one in the repos yet?
[08:24] <seven11> how to change default FILE browser any idea??
[08:24] <Skuller> cotyrothery: yea m here now
[08:25] <cotyrothery> so are you going to join my site
[08:25] <cotyrothery> ??
[08:25] <cotyrothery> you dont have to
[08:25] <cotyrothery> just wondering
[08:25] <alonea> SolidSource: Black screen again and if I do the bios thing they were talking about, the system is so slow I cant even load an app. Last timeo n Kubuntu I didnt even need to mess with the bios to get it to work.
[08:25] <ismael_> seven11: do you need to? why don't you just run it?
[08:26] <SolidSource> alonea: have you looked at the how-to?
[08:26] <Skuller> cotyrothery: well i dont own a psp...so i didnt see any reason to...but i'll make sure my friend who does does join...thnx for the offer btw n keep up the awesome work on the site
[08:26] <SolidSource> alonea: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:26] <cotyrothery> god
[08:26] <cotyrothery> im am sick of these bots
[08:26] <alonea> SolidSource: exact page I am at dear
[08:26] <cotyrothery> they spam my site like crazy
[08:26] <alonea> SolidSource: its what I have been following since the first time I managed to do it
[08:26] <SolidSource> alonea: alright
[08:27] <seven11> ismael_: i like dolphin better but konquere is the default so if i klick on something it will open with konquerer...
[08:27] <SolidSource> alonea: ok, well let me see if I can find anything
[08:29] <SolidSource> alonea: in the /ust/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64 have you got the *.so files in there?
[08:29] <cotyrothery> does anyone here have a site
[08:29] <cotyrothery> if so do you know how to get rid of bots
[08:29] <cotyrothery> all they do is post porno
[08:30] <alonea> SolidSource: ok, this is the screwed up thing, there is no /x86 yada yada folder. all the files are in /usr/lib64 . tried making a sym link, but it would not
[08:30] <alonea> SolidSource: unless you wanna try saying a different way to type it so it will make a sym link or something
[08:31] <SolidSource> alonea: ok to make the link you need do "sudo ln -s /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/ /usr/lib64"
[08:31] <alonea> cotyrothery: umm, like your site was hacked? or just ads bugging you? Just use firefox dear (with extension adblock plus, and preferably no script too)
[08:32] <cotyrothery> Bots sign up to my site and spam
[08:32] <cotyrothery> it is not a hack
[08:32] <alonea> SolidSource: ooooh! i did it backwards, or the person that told me did it backwards
[08:32] <SolidSource> alonea: don't do that command
[08:32] <cotyrothery> they just sign up and start posting all sorts of random stuff
[08:32] <cotyrothery> that has nothing to do with the site
[08:32] <SolidSource> alonea: noticed a typo
[08:33] <alonea> SolidSource: oh, I already did it...umm, cant you just do it again, but correctly?
[08:33] <SolidSource> alonea: yeah, testing it to make sure its correct
[08:33] <alonea> SolidSource: Why is it wrong? it looks right
[08:34] <inno> night all, I love you!
[08:34] <cotyrothery> see ya
[08:35] <cotyrothery> wtf
[08:35] <cotyrothery> you love us
[08:35] <SolidSource> alonea: ok there is few commands we need to do
[08:35] <alonea> SolidSource: alrighty! progress!
[08:35] <SolidSource> alonea: making a pastebin
[08:35] <alonea> SolidSource: that works
[08:36] <alonea> cotyrothery: what? cant you feel the love?
[08:37] <cotyrothery> yes
[08:37] <cotyrothery> i feel it
[08:37] <cotyrothery> woow
[08:37] <SolidSource> alonea: http://pastebin.sk/en/1074/
[08:38] <ismael_> KDE has magic urls, but I can't remember them! Which one was the configuration one? (like system:/ or device:/ )
[08:38] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:38] <cotyrothery> who is on the death list
[08:38] <Jucato> ismael_: they are called kioslaves. what configuration one?
[08:39] <SolidSource> cotyrothery: well you are now :))
[08:39] <SolidSource> cotyrothery: jk
[08:39] <cotyrothery> why?
[08:39] <cotyrothery> O
[08:39] <firecrotch> !love
[08:39] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[08:39] <cotyrothery> kidding
[08:39] <cotyrothery> lol
[08:39] <ismael_> jucato: I know there was one which let you access all the stuff that isn't in the System Prefs. panel
[08:39] <cotyrothery> ubotu knows a lot
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knows a lot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <cotyrothery> !cotyrothery
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cotyrothery - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <Jucato> ismael_: just press Alt+F2, type in: kcontrol
[08:40] <SolidSource> off note/question: why does cranberry juice ferment faster than any other juice? and why does it taste the best when it does?
[08:40] <Jucato> ismael_: but I guess you were looking for settings:/
[08:40] <cotyrothery> !hate
[08:40] <ubotu> hate is a thing we don't encourage - why waste your energy
[08:40] <ismael_> Jucato: Thanks!
[08:40] <cotyrothery> !ubotu
[08:40] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:40] <ismael_> Jucato: I never remember that one...
[08:40] <Jucato> !botabuse | cotyrothery
[08:40] <ubotu> cotyrothery: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[08:40] <SolidSource> alonea: after you follow those commands try installing again
[08:40] <alonea> SolidSource: nope...it still wont install. I even cheated earlier and trid making the folder and copying the files...
[08:40] <Jucato> ismael_: noproblem
[08:40] <Jucato> er.. "no problem"
[08:40] <clau85> my permissions to /dev/null get after every reboot changed to crw------- (I initially set it to crw-rw-rw-). Anyone know why?
[08:41] <SolidSource> alonea: did you reverse that before linking?
[08:41] <cotyrothery> i love that bot
[08:41] <alonea> SolidSource: that one that you told me too late not to do? no,  dont know how.
[08:41] <SolidSource> alonea: no the coping of the files
[08:42] <alonea> alonea: oh! yes, yes.
[08:42] <SolidSource> alonea: ok, then whats the new output?
[08:42] <ismael_> seven11: Still around?
[08:42] <ismael_> seven11: I think I found something
[08:42] <alonea> SolidSource: it appears to be exactly the same
[08:42] <SolidSource> alonea: ok
[08:43] <SolidSource> alonea: then it is the libs that aren't installed
[08:43] <seven11> ismael_: yes
[08:43] <alonea> SolidSource: checked earlier. they are. at least the one I checked it was.
[08:43] <alonea> can check more
[08:44] <ismael_> seven11: Hit alt+F2, type: kcontrol
[08:44] <alonea> SolidSource: installing any dpkg stuff now that wasnt installed before.
[08:44] <ismael_> seven11: now look for kde components (i'm translating from spanish, it might not be the same)
[08:44] <ismael_> seven11: got there?
[08:44] <SolidSource> alonea: yeah there are all packages for those...just checked a few and they are in repos
[08:44] <alonea> SolidSource: One i checked earlier was libstdc++
[08:45] <seven11> yes kcontrol is much powerfuller than system settings thanks that will do
[08:45] <seven11> cool
[08:45] <ismael_> seven11: File associations
[08:45] <alonea> SolidSource: well, the instructions get you to download them before you start, if you look at that page you will see command
[08:45] <seven11> yes
[08:45] <Jucato> ismael_, seven11: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[08:45] <alonea> SolidSource: ok, one of those failed...
[08:46] <SolidSource> alonea: ok...well looking at it that command is missing a few libs the install output is saying it wants
[08:46] <alonea> adept..bot thingie...what was it?
[08:46] <ismael_> seven11: And... the boring part, in inode, change all that say Konqueror to Dolphin
[08:46] <alonea> SolidSource: it kicked my adept agian
[08:46] <SolidSource> alonea: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:46] <Jucato> !adeptfix | alonea
[08:46] <ubotu> alonea: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:47] <ismael_> seven11: There might be others pointing to konqueror... you'll have to look for them :S
[08:47] <ismael_> seven11: (outside inode)
[08:47] <alonea> ok, there it goes
[08:47] <SolidSource> you know....have never had to do the first part of what to bot says
[08:47] <kraut> moin
[08:47] <SolidSource> only the second
[08:47] <alonea> SolidSource: yeah
[08:47] <seven11> ismael_: thanks that could work i will try
[08:47] <Jucato> firecrotch: you don't want to participate in testing the dist-upgrade tool? :)
[08:48] <cotyrothery> bye eveyone
[08:48] <cotyrothery> got to go
[08:48] <firecrotch> Jucato: I want to do a clean install to get rid of Winblows :)
[08:48] <Jucato> ah
[08:49] <SolidSource> alonea: so, go through the errors (the not founds) at the end of the install output and make sure those libs are installed....there seems to be 23 of them, but yeah
[08:49] <firecrotch> No reason to keep it, everything I need, including transfering songs to my Video iPod work in Linux now
[08:50] <alonea> SolidSource: yeah, and maybe because one isnt on its not seeing some of the others that are on
[08:50] <SolidSource> alonea: yeah
[08:50] <snowrichard> hi
[08:51] <teufel_> hey all i am wondering about programs running in the backgroud like there is like 4 copies of ioquake3 running
[08:51] <firecrotch> Hi, snowrichard
[08:51] <djdarkman> hy ,how can I set the boot to never be verbose?
[08:51] <snowrichard> had a storm last night.  Got water in my monitor.  How long do you think it should take to dry out?
[08:52] <Jucato> ouch..
[08:53] <livingdaylight> Q: is it killprocess -9 firefox?
[08:53] <snowrichard> killall firefox would work too
[08:54] <firecrotch> snowrichard: One of my professors got water in his monitor (protip: desk should NOT be below a bathroom)  and he said it took about 4 days
[08:54] <ismael_> kill -9 <pid>, where <pid> is a number
[08:54] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc too
[08:54] <ismael_> snowrichard: depends on humidity, I'd guess
[08:54] <snowrichard> leaky roof and heavy rain.  Eventually we can put a new roof on this place
[08:55] <SolidSource> snowrichard: how long should it dry out...theres no absolute, so atleast a day or 2
[08:55] <livingdaylight> killall firefox didn't kill firefox
[08:55] <livingdaylight> i've done it before with -9  in it but i don't remember
[08:55] <firecrotch> livingdaylight: killall firefox-bin
[08:55] <livingdaylight> firecrotch: ah..lets seee
[08:56] <livingdaylight> firecrotch: thank you
[08:56] <dubbyah> anyone here know anything about Wubi?
[08:56] <livingdaylight> what does the -9 command do thenthat is different?
[08:56] <firecrotch> livingdaylight: you're welcome :)
[08:56] <ahmed> i have a wireless network and it used wpa
[08:57] <firecrotch> livingdaylight: the -9 makes it work no matter what
[08:57] <ahmed> but i don't connect network and access internet on kubuntu
[08:57] <ismael_> ahmed: look for network-manager .
[08:57] <SolidSource> I really hate it when I don't have milk
[08:57] <ahmed> my network adapter is intel 2200bg
[08:58] <ismael_> ahmed: WPA connections require wpasupplicant
[08:58] <intelikey> livingdaylight -9 sends a different signal to the kernel
[08:58] <livingdaylight> SolidSource: black coffee is better
[08:58] <intelikey> or actually to init
[08:58] <ahmed> ismael_: i tried it but can't
[08:58] <SolidSource> livingdaylight: not when your trying to make hamburger helper
[08:58] <ismael_> ahmed: What is wrong with it?
[08:59] <livingdaylight> intelikey: but i couldn't remember what the command that goes with it; i thought it was killprocess or kill but neither is quite right
[08:59] <intelikey> firecrotch actually -9 wont kill "no matter what" it often fails too.
[08:59] <livingdaylight> SolidSource: hamburger helper?
[08:59] <teufel_> ok i rebooted now my resolution is screwed
[08:59] <ismael_> livingdaylight:  kill -9
[08:59] <teufel_> can someone please help
[08:59] <intelikey> livingdaylight  sudo killall -9 <app_name>
[08:59] <ismael_> intelikey: for those days, kill -15 ;)
[08:59] <livingdaylight> ismael_: kill -9 firefox ?
[08:59] <teufel_> i have an ati card
[08:59] <alonea> ya know what. I am gonna try restarting computer and then trying again
[08:59] <firecrotch> intelikey: the man page implies that :\
[08:59] <livingdaylight> intelikey: ok ^^
[09:00] <ahmed> ismael_: wpasupplicant is installed
[09:00] <ismael_> livingdaylight: no, kill -9 <pid>
[09:00] <SolidSource> livingdaylight: food made with noodle hamburger and sauce mix
[09:00] <intelikey> firecrotch can't help it.
[09:00] <intelikey> ismael_ yes that's a strong signal  but i've seen things that it wouldn't kill.
[09:00] <ismael_> livingdaylight: I find that htop is just great for killing stuff.
[09:00] <teufel_> my resolution is screwed can someone help
[09:01] <ahmed> ismael_: i created /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and i writed to need network information to its
[09:01] <ismael_> intelikey: uh... I don't think we've got stronger stuff :/
[09:01] <intelikey> ismael_ nope.
[09:01] <ismael_> ahmed: I think networkmanager takes care of all that, you should actually disable wpasupplicant
[09:02] <ahmed> ismael_: iwlist eth1 scanning ; it find wireless modem
[09:02] <teufel_> how do i uninstall and reinstall ati driver
[09:02] <SolidSource> teufel_: what is it doing?
[09:02] <ismael_> ahmed: did you disable all the ifaces?
[09:02] <teufel_> its stuck at the lowest resolution
[09:02] <ismael_> ahmed: otherwise networkmanager won't work
[09:02] <Lijoh> SOMEONE HELP ME!
[09:02] <teufel_> didnt happen til i rebooted
[09:02] <SolidSource> teufel_: can't change it in kcontrol?
[09:02] <ismael_> ahmed: and, did you install knetworkmanager?
[09:02] <teufel_> nope
[09:03] <ismael_> Lijoh: Don't Panic
[09:03] <teufel_> i think i need to reinstall my driver
[09:03] <intelikey> what is /etc/iftab ?
[09:03] <ismael_> intelikey: assigns names to mac addresses
[09:03] <SolidSource> teufel_: maybe, but it could be that you need to reselect your monitor which can be done under kcontrol >> peripherals >> monitor & Display >> hardware
[09:04] <ismael_> intelikey: network interfaces names from the mac
[09:04] <intelikey> why would it be a copy of my fstab ?
[09:04] <ismael_> intelikey: :| no idea
[09:04] <Lijoh> I cannot install program.. my adept manager said another process using the packaging system database
[09:04] <intelikey> hmmm i'll rm it.
[09:04] <teufel_> ok ill try hold up
[09:04] <ahmed> i installed knetworkmanager
[09:05] <ismael_> ahmed: /etc/network/interfaces should only have stuff relating to loopback (lo)
[09:05] <firecrotch> !adeptfix | Lijoh
[09:05] <ubotu> Lijoh: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:05] <SolidSource> Lijoh: also can't have adept/synaptic open if doing install in konsole
[09:06] <teufel_> dude i dont see kontrol
[09:06] <teufel_> there is system settings and whatnot
[09:06] <ismael_> teufel_: run: kcontrol
[09:06] <SolidSource> teufel_: is not there by default (you have to do ALT+F2 and type kcontrol)....but system settings will work
[09:07] <teufel_> got it
[09:08] <SolidSource> alonea: so, make progress?
[09:08] <intelikey> teufel_  "system settings" = kcontrol
[09:08] <ismael_> intelikey: no, they're not
[09:08] <ahmed> auto lo
[09:08] <alonea> SolidSource: nada
[09:08] <intelikey> yes they are in dapper
[09:08] <SolidSource> intelikey: not true
[09:09] <ahmed> iface lo inet loopback
[09:09] <intelikey> bull shit.
[09:09] <ahmed> auto eth0
[09:09] <ahmed> iface eth0 inet static
[09:09] <ahmed> address 192.168.100.3
[09:09] <ahmed> netmask 255.255.255.0
[09:09] <alonea> SolidSource: http://pastebin.ca/394372 (person asked for this. might as well send it to you too)
[09:09] <ahmed> gateway 192.168.100.2
[09:09] <ismael_> ahmed: make a copy of your file
[09:09] <ahmed> auto eth1
[09:09] <SolidSource> intelikey: the system settings is made by kubuntu and kcontrol is made by kde
[09:09] <ahmed> iface eth1 inet static
[09:09] <ahmed> wireless-essid loj-ptt
[09:09] <ahmed> wireless-key s:03102ptt
[09:09] <ahmed> address 192.168.1.99
[09:09] <ahmed> netmask 255.255.255.0
[09:09] <ahmed> gateway 192.168.1.1
[09:09] <ahmed> auto eth2
[09:09] <ahmed> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[09:09] <ismael_> ahmed: then edit it, leave only auto lo, iface lo inet loopback
[09:09] <ismael_> ahmed: Don't paste that much here!
[09:09] <alonea> SolidSource: as far as I can tell all the lib stuff is indeed installed. at least now it sure as hell should me
[09:10] <alonea> ahmed, use http://pastebin.ca
[09:10] <intelikey> SolidSource unless it has changed from 6.6   the system settings call kcontrol for all functions.
[09:10] <intelikey> SolidSource also the top of the first submenu in system settings is the kcontrol app it's self
[09:11] <ahmed> i am sorry excuse me i am a new user
[09:11] <SolidSource> intelikey: nope, not unless you place it ther
[09:11] <intelikey> SolidSource if that changed in edgy then we are talking apples and oringes.
[09:11] <ismael_> ahmed: after that, delete the wpasupplicant setup (you could purge the package and reinstall) and network manager should work
[09:11] <intelikey> SolidSource this system is default   and it's there.
[09:11] <alonea> ahmed: its ok. but generally most channels prefer pastebin or you get banned
[09:11] <ismael_> 5am! I should really get to sleep... Goodnight/day to everybody
[09:11] <SolidSource> intelikey: what are you running?
[09:12] <ismael_> ahmed: good luck with that
[09:12] <intelikey> dapper
[09:12] <SolidSource> alonea: and the driver still fails?
[09:12] <teufel> still messed up
[09:12] <intelikey> i havent changed the menu at all
[09:12] <SolidSource> intelikey: well yes edgy 6.10 did have the implementation of the kubuntu system settings interface
[09:12] <ahmed> ismael_: thanks
[09:13] <intelikey> but that's still a moot point.   everything in the system settings is a function of kcontrol
[09:13] <Lijoh> thank for helping
[09:14] <SolidSource> intelikey: actuallly kcontrol itself has more configs than kubuntu system settings
[09:14] <intelikey> than are displayed by default   yes
[09:14] <seven11> ismael_: sometimes it is much easyer than i think... just right klick on a desktop folder -> open with ... dolphin and always use this prog for this file type... just like in windows... sorry for all the trouble and thanks for helping
[09:14] <alonea> SolidSource: yup. same thing.
[09:15] <alonea> SolidSource: and another...http://pastebin.ca/394375
[09:15] <intelikey> pick anything in system settings and then ps aux   and see what is actually running.
[09:16] <ubuntu> naggers
[09:16] <intelikey> i don't have edgy so  not sure that there hasn't been any change there.
[09:16] <SolidSource> alonea: looks like AMD made its own repo for their driver ....maybe atleast
[09:17] <Mattyguns> anyone here experianced with xubuntu and older computers?
[09:17] <alonea> SolidSource: yeah, generally...sorta...basically.
[09:17] <alonea> SolidSource: it tends to sux0r
[09:18] <ahmed> Are there anyone use wide screen lcd monitor that samsung 226BW on kubuntu
[09:18] <teufel> ok that worked
[09:18] <teufel> i dont know why it would have changed my monitor
[09:18] <teufel> but thanx for the help
[09:19] <teufel> thats the second time that has happened
[09:19] <SolidSource> alonea: ok you can try this repo listed here: http://www.albertomilone.com/latestrepo.html
[09:19] <SolidSource> alonea: mind that it is not official
[09:20] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a way i can get firefox to DETACH  tab from a window?
[09:21] <alonea> SolidSource: yeeeeah, it didnt like that repo. I added it and now adept wont work. says malformed line 1 in source list.
[09:22] <SolidSource> alonea: just means there is a character that shouldn't be ther
[09:23] <intelikey> probably the trailing /
[09:23] <alonea> SolidSource: probably a space.
[09:25] <intelikey> that server seems misconfigured.
[09:26] <intelikey> can't even access http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers
[09:26] <SolidSource> intelikey: no its not
[09:26] <SolidSource> intelikey:  http://www.albertomilone.com/
[09:27] <SolidSource> you can't access the server like that
[09:27] <intelikey> the url in the page you posted says http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/<version>/blah
[09:27] <SolidSource> since /drivers is FTP
[09:27] <intelikey> and http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers is unaccessable to me
[09:27] <intelikey> then shouldn't it say ftp rather than http ?
[09:27] <barata> hi all, how to kill kasbar?
[09:28] <SolidSource> intelikey: no
[09:28] <barata> is that kasbar still buggy?
[09:28] <SolidSource> intelikey: trust me it works, I have it...though commented off
[09:30] <barata> oh never mind ... I found it
[09:30] <barata> bye!
[09:32] <SolidSource> intelikey: the reason for the http is because you are not accessing the FTP directly, you are going through another server to get to it
[09:33] <SolidSource> intelikey: theres just no port to the site so you can view the FTP as a webpage
[09:34] <intelikey> all the repos i had even looked at until that one you could access dirrectly via the url
[09:34] <SolidSource> intelikey: they just didn't set this server up that way though...you could do the same with your own server
[09:35] <SolidSource> anyone use Democracy TV?
[09:38] <SolidSource> intelikey: define properly configured...cause if it works they way they want it to, then it is properly configured for their purposes
[09:39] <_4strO> yop
[09:40] <intelikey> SolidSource define "they"  and  "what 'they' want"     heh we could play at that all day.     for it to be usable as other "especally official" sources are then it's "not fully accessable" by those standards.
[09:41] <alonea> SolidSource: what do you think this means?
[09:41] <alonea> #
[09:41] <alonea> LD_PRELOAD= dh_shlibdeps
[09:41] <SolidSource> intelikey: but its not official...so it doesn't apply to those standads
[09:41] <alonea> SolidSource: damn paste works screwy on this irc program...
[09:41] <Skuller> lol whas happ btwn SS n IL?
[09:42] <SolidSource> alonea: where did that come from? doint what?
[09:42] <intelikey> Skuller english please ?
[09:43] <Skuller> intelikey: hehe...ok....was just wondering what gave you both the bright idea of debating the 'officialness' of this channel
[09:43] <SolidSource> skuller: nothing just supplied an unofficial repo that can't be accessed like the official ones and intelikey doesn't like it
[09:43] <Skuller> ohhhh........
[09:44] <Skuller> SolidSource: who maintains those unofficial repos and what is their benefit in doing so?
[09:45] <SolidSource> skuller: Alberto Milone....and I use it for a backup for video drivers just in case the official repo one doesn't work right
[09:46] <intelikey> no.   it's not that i "didn't like it."   it's that one complained that it wouldn't work for them and i went to investigate and found it "misconfigured" by "ubuntu" standards, and also tested that one can apt-get packages from it.   we simply discussed the details form that.    but really it seems to stem from a slightly more "hostile" debate over kcontrol eariler.
[09:46] <intelikey> Skuller ^
[09:47] <SolidSource> intelikey: that wasn't hostile...just a difference between edgy and dapper
[09:48] <alonea> SolidSource: its in the pastebin
[09:48] <alonea> SolidSource: see, look at it again, http://pastebin.ca/394315\
[09:48] <intelikey> he told me to pee in a cup,  i told him to dukey in a jug,  and things went down hill from there.  :)
[09:50] <SolidSource> alonea: not sure...though it looks normal....well normal for the problem
[09:51] <Skuller> SolidSource: intelikey: hehe....dont let tech opinions get in the way of personal respect for the other person
[09:51] <intelikey> addressing error   ?   /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[09:52] <intelikey> alonea does that path exist ?
[09:52] <SolidSource> we actually made that path and linked lib and lib64
[09:52] <intelikey> ok
[09:52] <SolidSource> but its still not finding the libs it needs to install
[09:52] <alonea> intelikey: nope. all those files they are lookinging for? they are in /usr/lib64
[09:53] <Skuller> i guess as for the repo....it should be avoided as much as necessary if not according to 'ubuntu standards' but used if really necessary...i dont know anything about the repo but dont mind me stating my opinion about it
[09:53] <SolidSource> alonea: but we did link them....
[09:53] <alonea> intelikey: and cheating and moving them to the dir its looking for does not work nor does make sm links
[09:53] <alonea> SolidSource: yeah, but it apparently does not care
[09:54] <SolidSource> Skuller: yeah, again, I only have it for backup purposes...though lately haven't had the problem I did when edgy first came out
[09:55] <intelikey> alonea then if  /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/  is not a link to  /usr/lib86  you might try                      sudo rm -R /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/ ;sudo ln -s /usr/lib64 /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu                                                  be careful about that command,   if the dir exists anything in it will disapere
[09:55] <Skuller> SolidSource: yea thas cool...no harm in goin a little 'out of the way' as long as its helpful n doesn harm anything/one
[09:56] <SolidSource> intelikey: that won't work...look at the pastebin
[09:56] <alonea> no no, /usr/x86 yada yada does not exist. and we have tried all sorts of sym links.
[09:56] <intelikey> SolidSource i'm looking at it.   what do you mean ?
[09:56] <alonea> and pretty much a whole lot of stuff...
[09:57] <SolidSource> intelikey: this is the full directory we need /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib64/ with lib64 part being a link
[09:57] <SolidSource> alonea: so /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu doesn't exist?
[09:57] <SolidSource> alonea: I had you make it though
[09:58] <intelikey> SolidSource ah yes sorry path too long.
[09:58] <alonea> SolidSource: nope. never did. yeah..you did...but its empty isn't it?
[09:58] <Skuller> SolidSource: intelikey: Just curious....are you appointed/related by/to the Ubuntu/Kubuntu community to help in this channel or are you just another person who has a LOT of experience with this OS due to personal usage?
[09:58] <intelikey> sudo ln -s /usr /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu
[09:58] <SolidSource> intelikey: http://pastebin.sk/en/1074/
[09:58] <alonea> I might say now its very late where I am and I am juuuuust a bit loopy
[09:58] <intelikey> that's what you want as best i can tell
[09:59] <SolidSource> intelikey: no, the directly needs to exist with the links inside it...the pastebin shows the commands I had alonea use
[09:59] <intelikey> SolidSource it will
[10:00] <intelikey> they are there in /usr   just ln /usr to /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu
[10:00] <intelikey> then every thing in usr is in /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu
[10:00] <SolidSource> guess that would work
[10:01] <SolidSource> worth a try
[10:01] <razzorz> Hey solidsource... sorry bout b4.... ..
[10:01] <SolidSource> razzorz: ?
[10:02] <razzorz> rushed out.. .. thats all
[10:02] <livingdaylight> can we open windows zip files in linux?
[10:02] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok...don't even remember what was going on
[10:02] <SolidSource> livingdaylight: yes...
[10:02] <razzorz> solidsource:could we get back on my codec issue
[10:02] <livingdaylight> SolidSource: gracias
[10:03] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok....
[10:03] <austerity> this issue you speak of  hmm
[10:03] <razzorz> you were tring to explain it to me
[10:04] <austerity> laff
[10:04] <SolidSource> razzorz: yeah....your using 32bit right?
[10:04] <razzorz> yes
[10:04] <alonea> well, I am realllllly out of it at the moment and I probably shouldn't be trying to fix this at 4 in the morning when I didnt exactly sleep the nigh before either
[10:05] <austerity> which codec?
[10:05] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok give me a sec, I'll give you a command to take care of it
[10:05] <razzorz> i can't play dvd's nor mp3's
[10:05] <razzorz> ok thank you...
[10:05] <razzorz> SolidSource: if it gets me out ya hair... by all means
[10:06] <razzorz> i was using opensusie b4 and there was a app that made it all work..
[10:07] <Skuller> alonea: go get some sleep....more important than anything in the world (according to me)
[10:08] <razzorz> Skuller: i agree.. can't work if your tired
[10:08] <razzorz> well you could just be that much harder!!
[10:08] <SolidSource> razzorz: copy paste whats in quotes into konsole "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs libdvdcss2"
[10:09] <razzorz> yes you gave me this b4 Solid... and then i posted it and ya shat on me
[10:09] <razzorz> lol
[10:09] <alonea> Skuller: whoops...i thought I closed this...
[10:09] <SolidSource> razzorz: ??
[10:09] <razzorz> SolidSource: this is what is says ( Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another
[10:10] <SolidSource> razzorz: oh ok, now I remember where we were
[10:10] <razzorz> yes
[10:10] <SolidSource> razzorz: we were unlocking the rest of the repos
[10:10] <razzorz> ya.. why dont i see multimedia in my add/remove
[10:11] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok close out of all the program installers
[10:11] <razzorz> Solid: done
[10:12] <SolidSource> razzorz: hit ALT+F2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:12] <sittisal> hello
[10:13] <sittisal> somebody can help me with knetworkmanager?
[10:13] <SolidSource> razzorz: kate open?
[10:13] <sittisal> is there a way to use knetworkmanager with static ip simultaneusly?
[10:15] <razzorz> sorry bout that solid
[10:15] <razzorz> this dam shift/bkspace logs me out everytime
[10:15] <razzorz> ahahah
[10:16] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok...hit ALT+F2 and type: kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:16] <SolidSource> razzorz: now copy and paste over everything in that file with the stuff provided here http://pastebin.sk/en/1072/
[10:16] <razzorz> not all this (( kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list  )
[10:17] <SolidSource> razzorz: yes, all of it
[10:17] <SolidSource> with close quote on the end
[10:17] <razzorz> Could not open location 'file:///kdesu kate &quot;/etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:17] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok open konsole
[10:18] <razzorz> k
[10:18] <SolidSource> razzorz: type whats in quotes "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:19] <SolidSource> razzorz: it open?
[10:20] <razzorz> nope
[10:20] <razzorz> says kdesu:comand not found
[10:20] <|GaiJin|> is there an easy tool to config samba with... I keep getting the logon screen when accessing my samba shares, and somehow I tend to not get access all the time
[10:20] <razzorz> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <razzorz> thats what i put
[10:20] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok...we'll go against whats sugested
[10:21] <razzorz> oook
[10:21] <razzorz> go on
[10:21] <SolidSource> razzorz: change kdesu to sudo and run it again
[10:21] <razzorz> sudu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <razzorz> Nope
[10:21] <razzorz> oops
[10:21] <SolidSource> lol
[10:22] <razzorz> samething
[10:22] <razzorz> comand not found
[10:22] <SolidSource> |GaiJin|: you can configure through kcontrol
[10:22] <intelikey> razzorz don't be trying to dethrone me.   i'm the typo king around here.
[10:22] <razzorz> lmao ...
[10:22] <SolidSource> razzorz: ummm ok
[10:22] <razzorz> well glad i can make a name for myself
[10:23] <razzorz> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list <<<< is what i put in
[10:23] <intelikey> but sudo != sudo
[10:23] <intelikey> :)
[10:23] <intelikey> and the error was ?
[10:24] <SolidSource> razzorz: you installed KDE on top of ubuntu did you...
[10:24] <razzorz> no
[10:24] <razzorz> fresh..
[10:24] <intelikey> copy and paste does work for single lines
[10:24] <|GaiJin|> thanks
[10:24] <SolidSource> razzorz: hmm then that has to work
[10:24] <razzorz> formated new fresh install
[10:25] <intelikey> and the error was ?
[10:25] <SolidSource> intelikey: he said it "command not found"
[10:25] <intelikey> but what command ?
[10:25] <razzorz> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:25] <intelikey> and that returned what ?
[10:26] <razzorz> comand not found
[10:26] <SolidSource> razzorz: try changing kate to kwrite...
[10:26] <intelikey> i give up.  you are not answering my question.
[10:27] <SolidSource> razzorz: copy your output from konsole to www.pastebin.sk
[10:27] <intelikey> exactly   it could be   bash: command not found    it could be  sudo: command not found    it could even be kate; command not found
[10:27] <Storm> or try sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <intelikey> we hope it isn't the latter
[10:27] <SolidSource> razzorz: then give us the link for it
[10:27] <intelikey> Storm or nano
[10:27] <SolidSource> intelikey: more like hope its none
[10:27] <razzorz> ok this could be my fauld.. Konsole is Terminal?
[10:28] <SolidSource> LOL
[10:28] <SolidSource> why he hits shift+backspace is beyond me
[10:28] <intelikey> yeah  but  kate: command not found would mean that kate was some kind of shell or script....   8*{
[10:29] <SolidSource> intelikey: if he isn't in the right screen could be a problem too
[10:30] <razzorz> omfg that is anoying
[10:30] <SolidSource> razzorz: hit alt+F2 and type "konsole"
[10:30] <razzorz> Could not open location 'file:///konsole
[10:30] <SolidSource> then try "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:31] <intelikey> razzorz that was from a web/file browser ^  !
[10:31] <razzorz> what do you mean
[10:31] <intelikey> where are you putting these commands ?
[10:31] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok...exit out of ALL programs
[10:32] <razzorz> this is the only thing open
[10:32] <SolidSource> razzorz: then ALT+F2 should bring up the run command
[10:32] <razzorz> ok
[10:32] <razzorz> check the run in terminal
[10:32] <razzorz> ??
[10:33] <SolidSource> razzorz: no...just type "konsole"
[10:33] <razzorz> Could not open location 'file:///konsole'
[10:34] <intelikey> feisty ?
[10:34] <razzorz> Ya think
[10:34] <austerity> smiley
[10:34] <mdtyke> Hey guys
[10:34] <SolidSource> intelikey: no, that works the same in feisty..
[10:34] <intelikey> i'm trying to make sense of that error message
[10:35] <SolidSource> intelikey: yeah, just saying
[10:35] <razzorz> shit
[10:35] <razzorz> its not installed
[10:35] <intelikey> that's not at all what one would expect for the run dialog
[10:35] <razzorz> i just seen it in Add/remove
[10:35] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok lets try this...ALT+spacebar and type "konsole" press enter
[10:36] <razzorz> just brings up my properties for K
[10:36] <austerity> thought it wasn't installed
[10:36] <SolidSource> intelikey: ok I'm lost
[10:36] <razzorz> ya so did i
[10:36] <intelikey> what's he playing with ?   beryl ?
[10:37] <SolidSource> razzorz: is beryl installed?
[10:37] <razzorz> funny you mentiond that
[10:37] <razzorz> yes
[10:37] <intelikey> razzorz in the kmenu open a konsole
[10:37] <SolidSource> well that explains that
[10:37] <SolidSource> stupid POS beryl
[10:37] <austerity> lol
[10:37] <razzorz> ok...
[10:37] <razzorz> lol its open
[10:37] <razzorz> konsole is
[10:38] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok now run "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:38] <intelikey> razzorz and if it gives errors show us
[10:38] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$ kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:38] <razzorz> bash: kdesu: command not found
[10:38] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$
[10:38] <SolidSource> ...
[10:38] <razzorz> thats all that is comes up with
[10:39] <intelikey> ok    try  sudo  in place of kdesu
[10:39] <SolidSource> well I know more than ever I'm going to be using beryl
[10:39] <SolidSource> I'm NOT
[10:39] <intelikey> :)
[10:39] <razzorz> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:39] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$ sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:39] <razzorz> Password:
[10:39] <razzorz> sudo: kate: command not found
[10:39] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$
[10:40] <mdtyke> Does anyone know how I can get the Process Manager to allow me to kill stuff as root
[10:40] <intelikey> razzorz ok in place of kate put nano
[10:40] <intelikey> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <Skuller> !nano | Skuller
[10:40] <mdtyke> It's just such a hassel to have to manually kill things, especially when things like Apt mess up so often
[10:40] <SolidSource> mdtyke: CTRL+ESC
[10:41] <razzorz> A bit list poped up
[10:41] <Skuller> intelikey: is nano installed by default on kubun?
[10:41] <Jucato> mdtyke: Alt+F2, "kdesu ksysguard". but in Adept/Apt is a special case
[10:41] <mdtyke> I cant see the process
[10:41] <Jucato> !adeptfix | mdtyke
[10:41] <ubotu> mdtyke: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:41] <intelikey> Skuller yes it is the default text based editor
[10:41] <mdtyke> Its not that its locked
[10:41] <Jucato> Skuller: yep
[10:41] <Jucato> (re: nano)
[10:41] <Skuller> intelikey: and what about kate?
[10:41] <razzorz> GNU nano 1.3.12          File: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:41] <SolidSource> Skuller: kate is installed by default too
[10:41] <Jucato> Skuller: nano is the command line editor.
[10:41] <intelikey> Skuller it should be default on all kubuntu or   kde  installs
[10:42] <mdtyke> What's happened is, Apt failed, and when I closed it.. well, it still stays
[10:42] <Skuller> ohh...
[10:42] <Skuller> thanks
[10:42] <razzorz> OOk now what?
[10:42] <Jucato> mdtyke: you need to run the command ubotu gave
[10:42] <intelikey> SolidSource see razzorz    ready to edit
[10:42] <razzorz> indeed
[10:42] <mdtyke> it didn't do anything
[10:42] <austerity> woot
[10:42] <SolidSource> intelikey: yeah but its not as easy as copy paste now
[10:43] <intelikey> yes it is
[10:43] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok, to verify, you are using kubuntu feisty?
[10:43] <austerity> incorrect
[10:43] <intelikey> SolidSource works the same.
[10:43] <Jucato> mdtyke: which one? the "sudo dpkg --configure -a" command didn't do anything?
[10:43] <mdtyke> I cant run that command from the Run dialog, I have to do it from Konsole.. that's a bit stupid
[10:43] <razzorz> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386
[10:43] <SolidSource> intelikey: no CTRL+A.....but oh well
[10:43] <mdtyke> I just want to be ableto right click on a process, and hit Kill.. how hard can that be
[10:43] <Skuller> Jucato: Stupid question...i did !nano | Skuller and i got the message from ubotu as a personal message...u did !adeptfix | XXX and it came in the channel...why are there different operations by |...?
[10:43] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok thank god
[10:43] <razzorz> lol
[10:43] <DjDarkman> hy ,is there another way to configure resolutions and refresh raates besides dpkg-reconfigure and systemsettings
[10:44] <intelikey> SolidSource no but shift middle click
[10:44] <DjDarkman> ?
[10:44] <Jucato> Skuller: since you | to yourself, it just PM's the command to you
[10:44] <kouran> why is it so complicated to get prboom working :(
[10:44] <Skuller> !nano | Jucato
[10:44] <ubotu> Jucato: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[10:44] <Skuller> Jucato:
[10:44] <Skuller> Jucato: cool...thanks
[10:44] <mdtyke> I have another little problem
[10:44] <Jucato> O.o
[10:44] <mdtyke> I have to do some programming in college
[10:44] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok, need that list to look like this one http://pastebin.sk/en/1072/      plus your beryl repos
[10:45] <mdtyke> Can anyone tell me how I can get Kate to compile
[10:45] <DjDarkman> I want my monitor to just work on 1024@85Hz ,but I don`t know what to write in the xorg.conf
[10:45] <kouran> kate should already be in kubuntu :|
[10:45] <kouran> if not.... apt-get
[10:45] <mdtyke> No.. how I can get kate to compile stuff for me
[10:45] <mdtyke> sorry
[10:45] <kouran> it doesnt
[10:45] <mdtyke> I got a little command thing that will compile it, but it opens up terminal windows etc
[10:45] <austerity> kate text editor
[10:45] <intelikey> SolidSource errr iirc shift is not even needed in nano.  just highlight and hover over the nano editor and middle click      in kde you can right click and select pastes from the klipper app   but i have never see beryl so all that may be null
[10:45] <kouran> thats whats mean to happen :P
[10:45] <mdtyke> I know it doesn't... that's why Im asking kouran?
[10:45] <mdtyke> and I'm editing text..
[10:45] <razzorz> ok i am there at http://pastebin.sk/en/1072/  ..
[10:46] <mdtyke> but I want to be able to edit my source code text, and then send it to the javac
[10:46] <kouran> kate isnt a java IDE
[10:46] <mdtyke> I suppose like Textpad
[10:46] <kouran> it just highlights java syntax
[10:46] <mdtyke> Anyway
[10:46] <SolidSource> intelikey: well shift+middle click didn't work on edgy
[10:46] <kouran> you can get extensions to highlight other languages too
[10:46] <DjDarkman> how can I manualy add a resolution to xorg.conf?
[10:46] <mdtyke> As I was trying to say.  I have it under External Tools so that it will compile from Kate ok, but it opens up in an external konsole
[10:46] <Jucato> mdtyke: there's an embedded Terminal (Konsole) in Kate for quick CLI stuff
[10:47] <intelikey> SolidSource did you have anything highlighted ?
[10:47] <austerity> dj be carful doing thatkind of thing
[10:47] <mdtyke> Does anyone have any idea how I can trigger the internal/embedded terminal, as opposed to opening an external one
[10:47] <SolidSource> intelikey: no
[10:47] <intelikey> that's why
[10:47] <kouran> someone help me withy prboom! :P
[10:47] <Jucato> mdtyke: you can set a Keyboard shortcut for it. the "tab" is at the bottom of the Kate window
[10:47] <SolidSource> intelikey:  well thats not a replace for CTRL+A
[10:48] <intelikey> it doesn't paste from the klipper   it pastes streight from X    the ctrl+ options are not a true copy/paste they are an app call to klipper iirc
[10:48] <SolidSource> why does he keep hitting SHIFT+BACKSPACE?
[10:48] <mdtyke> Well can anyone show me a decent Java IDE then
[10:48] <mdtyke> I want basically something like TEXTPAD, but on Linux.. I seriously cant understand how hard it's been to find something, that isn't ridiculously slow
[10:49] <mdtyke> all I want is something that will allow me to edit text, and hit a compile button
[10:49] <Jucato> !netbeans
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netbeans - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:49] <SolidSource> razzorz: let me know when you are finished with adding those repos
[10:49] <Jucato> bah..
[10:49] <mdtyke> I know Netbeans, but it's FAR too advanced
[10:49] <intelikey> SolidSource that i don't know.   it's beryl... maybe you just do that if you use beryl  ?
[10:49] <kouran> netbeans is too complicated....
[10:49] <mdtyke> I said I wanted something like Textpad
[10:49] <kouran> BlueJ :D
[10:49] <kouran> its a realy simple java IDE
[10:49] <razzorz> all of them solid?
[10:49] <SolidSource> intelikey: idk...I tried using beryl and had to reinstall my entire system...course that was a while ago
[10:50] <kouran> i love it. i wanted something like windows' jGRASP, BlueJ is just the thing.
[10:50] <SolidSource> razzorz: it should look exactly like that one at the link...with the added beryl ones
[10:50] <intelikey> !beryl
[10:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:50] <razzorz> ok...
[10:51] <SolidSource> razzorz: hence why I didn't wnat to use nano....
[10:51] <razzorz> solid: i see many the same titles....  http://pastebin.sk/en/1072/   on lines 8- 13 i add them all and then work my way down
[10:51] <razzorz> ?
[10:51] <razzorz> lol ya
[10:52] <SolidSource> razzorz: you can skip those
[10:52] <razzorz> see thats where i am lost
[10:52] <razzorz> what do i need what dont i need
[10:52] <razzorz> # Medibuntu multimedia packages
[10:52] <razzorz> i see that
[10:53] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok...should have done this first....copy the contents of that file to the pastebin
[10:53] <razzorz> ok
[10:57] <razzorz> solid: ok posted it.. RazzoR
[10:58] <razzorz> can someone tell me how to get rid of this logout  shift/backspace  Turned off
[10:58] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok lets take the easy route
[10:59] <razzorz> did you read it
[10:59] <SolidSource> razzorz: yeah....
[11:00] <razzorz> kk
[11:01] <razzorz> there is a easy route?
[11:01] <razzorz> lol
[11:01] <SolidSource> razzorz: no but I'm going to make one
[11:01] <razzorz> lol ok
[11:02] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok exit nano...but not konsole
[11:02] <razzorz> ok
[11:02] <intelikey> razzorz may i ask "why do you hit shift+backspace?"
[11:02] <acemo> anyone here can help me with my bluetooth headset?
[11:02] <razzorz> because i am a capps freak on windows.. gettin use to not doin it
[11:03] <razzorz> so when i realize that i caps somthing in here i delete it.. and pow...
[11:03] <razzorz> you know the rest..
[11:03] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok you out of nano?
[11:03] <razzorz> just in konsole
[11:03] <razzorz> blank
[11:03] <razzorz> ready to rock
[11:04] <intelikey> razzorz then it might be a good idea to leave it enabled to help break the habbit...
[11:04] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok, tyep "kdesu konqueror" .....(this better work)
[11:04] <razzorz> one sec...
[11:04] <razzorz> lets see if its installed
[11:04] <SolidSource> if it doesn't work.....you need to get into konqueror as SuperUser
[11:05] <SolidSource> konqueror has to be installed....you can't have kde with out it
[11:05] <intelikey> not easily anyway
[11:05] <razzorz> well said the same as b4    comand not found
[11:05] <razzorz> kdesu konqueror
[11:06] <c0nv1ct> razzorz: kdesu not found? or konqueror?
[11:06] <razzorz> and why is my su p/w not working
[11:06] <c0nv1ct> razzorz: use sudo, not su
[11:06] <SolidSource> razzorz: ok...well find a way...cause I don't know what beryl decided to do
[11:06] <razzorz> kdesu konqueror >> you said to type this in
[11:06] <intelikey> razzorz to answer your question cause you don't have a password
[11:06] <razzorz> i c
[11:07] <intelikey> sudo -i
[11:07] <SolidSource> razzorz: yeah...but beryl changed commands or something, so find a way to get into konqueror as sudo
[11:07] <intelikey> then konqeror
[11:07] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: i dont think that will work
[11:07] <c0nv1ct> since root isnt running X
[11:08] <razzorz>  i c...
[11:08] <intelikey> c0nv1ct worth a try tho.
[11:08] <razzorz> kdesu konqueror   Comand not found
[11:08] <intelikey> razzorz      sudo -i
[11:08] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$ kdesu konqueror
[11:08] <razzorz> bash: kdesu: command not found
[11:08] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$
[11:08] <c0nv1ct> razzorz: sounds like kdesu isnt installed
[11:08] <SolidSource> razzorz: try "sudo konqueror"
[11:09] <intelikey> eeeek.
[11:09] <intelikey> ;S
[11:09] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$ sudo konqueror
[11:09] <razzorz> sudo: konqueror: command not found
[11:09] <razzorz> razzorz@razzorz-desktop:~$
[11:09] <intelikey> hehhe konq is not there
[11:09] <intelikey> i.e. kde is not there
[11:09] <c0nv1ct> razzorz: are you sure you have kubuntu installed? lol
[11:09] <razzorz> what
[11:09] <razzorz> cmon now
[11:09] <waylandbill> I have a directory of sound files. I would like to 'normalize' them because some are quieter than others.
[11:09] <intelikey> that's why kate is missing  and kdesu
[11:10] <austerity> it is ubuntu
[11:10] <c0nv1ct> yeah, no konqueror, no kdesu, no kde
[11:10] <intelikey> kde is not installed.
[11:10] <intelikey> try   gksudo nautilus
[11:10] <SolidSource> razzorz: yeah try that
[11:10] <razzorz> Ubuntu 6.10
[11:10] <razzorz>                 - the Edgy Eft - released in October 2006.
[11:10] <acemo> anyone here can help me with my bluetooth headset?
[11:10] <c0nv1ct> razzorz: you are in the kubuntu channel ya know :P
[11:10] <austerity> smirk
[11:10] <SolidSource> WELL NOW THERES LIGHT
[11:10] <razzorz> guess what
[11:11] <razzorz> that would prolly be why your pulling your hair out
[11:11] <razzorz> :))
[11:11] <intelikey> then go to #ubuntu where you belong
[11:11] <intelikey> traitor
[11:11] <SolidSource> lol
[11:11] <intelikey> lol
[11:11] <waylandbill> :)
[11:11] <austerity> I was on to that quite a bit ago just didn't know why we kept going back to kde
[11:11] <austerity> =)
[11:11] <razzorz> Meh... Solid : dude Your top notch bro.. thanks
[11:11] <SolidSource> cause KDE is better
[11:11] <austerity> all in good fun
[11:12] <intelikey> austerity cause he said it was kde
[11:12] <SolidSource> razzorz: but yeah, thats why none of my commands will work...I don't know the gnome ones
[11:12] <austerity> oh i know where the mix up was comming from I was just powerless to stop it
[11:12] <austerity> =)
[11:13] <razzorz> its ok man.. really your top shelf... thanks again.
[11:13] <razzorz> sheesh now i got to know you all.. ..
[11:13] <intelikey> but alt+f2 wasn't working because of beryl
[11:13] <razzorz> i need a tissue
[11:13] <intelikey> cause it's the same in gnome and kde
[11:14] <SolidSource> yeah
[11:14] <austerity> just add kde to the ubuntu and we will be n course
[11:14] <austerity> on*
[11:14] <SolidSource> lol
[11:14] <razzorz> do tell
[11:14] <SolidSource> austerity: that comes with its own problems
[11:14] <intelikey> SolidSource not in dapper
[11:14] <austerity> iuhhh
[11:14] <austerity> j/k
[11:15] <intelikey> that's what i have   ubuntu-deskopt + kde
[11:15] <austerity> is apt part of the console in ubunto as well
[11:15] <austerity> let me dig a bit
[11:15] <intelikey> austerity yes
[11:15] <austerity> can't he just apt-get install kde
[11:15] <Lynoure> Is there a two panel limitation on Feisty? (tried on #ubuntu+1 already)
[11:16] <intelikey> austerity indeed
[11:16] <SolidSource> Lynoure: no
[11:16] <intelikey> Lynoure shouldn't be
[11:16] <Jucato> Lynoure: what do you mean?
[11:17] <Lynoure> Jucato: I can add a third panel and add stuff on it but not configure it
[11:17] <Lamington> greetings folks
[11:17] <Lynoure> Jucato: it only lets me choose between Main panel and panel (the second panel)
[11:17] <Jucato> Lynoure: that's a KDE bug. you have to restart kicker: dcop kicker kicker restart
[11:17] <SolidSource> Lynoure: you need to logout and back in for some reason....it happened to me
[11:18] <Jucato> SolidSource: no need to actually log out
[11:18] <SolidSource> Jucato: that command didn't work for me
[11:18] <Jucato> it didn't restart kicker?
[11:18] <SolidSource> no it did...just didn't solve the problem
[11:19] <Jucato> weird..
[11:19] <SolidSource> Jucato: also have yet to get my samba working in feisty yet
[11:20] <SolidSource> neither does #ubuntu+1 nor #samba
[11:21] <Lynoure> Jucato, SolidSource: thanks
[11:22] <Jucato> Lynoure: it worked?
[11:22] <c0nv1ct> whats new in feisty that makes samba more difficult?
[11:22] <Jucato> (w/o logging out?)
[11:22] <intelikey> Jucato sounds surprised...
[11:22] <austerity> we lose razz thought he had it all set now
[11:22] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: don't know
[11:23] <intelikey> -:- SignOff razzorz: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
[11:23] <Jucato> intelikey: no, I'm just looking for someone to testify on my behalf :D
[11:23] <intelikey> :)
[11:23] <c0nv1ct> i got samba working easy, but nfs is being weird
[11:23] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: some ppl have it working without a problem and others have seeral problems
[11:24] <SolidSource> theres supposed to be a "v" in there somewhere
[11:24] <Captain_Redbeard> Quick question... What lib does wine use to provide itself with internet capabilities? I'm having issues with programs under wine (running on amd64) won't connect to anything
[11:24] <c0nv1ct> anyone know if the encryption used in sftp severely limits transfer rates?
[11:25] <c0nv1ct> i've never been able to get more than 50-60k/sec with sftp on a lan
[11:25] <waylandbill> smb mounts tend to 'disappear' on my so I've put sshd servers on the windows machines I need to access and share that way. no clue, but they go after a bit. :-/
[11:26] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: 'severely' I can't define, but the secure algorithm will reduce traffic speed.
[11:26] <c0nv1ct> waylandbill: 50k/sec seems pretty severe for 100mbit lan
[11:26] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: I was just about to say that I usually can get 700-1000.
[11:27] <c0nv1ct> using SFTP? man, i gotta figure out what the deal is
[11:27] <austerity> captian that is hard to get going in 64
[11:27] <c0nv1ct> i'd rather not install a regular ftp server
[11:27] <austerity> took some tinkering for me to get wow up
[11:27] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: if there is load on one end taking up cpu time, it'll reduce it quite a bit.
[11:28] <c0nv1ct> nah, thats not it, the system was idle, using 2% cpu at most
[11:28] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: nope. that aint it.
[11:28] <c0nv1ct> i tried looking in some configs, to see if there was some throttling of some sort, but found nothing
[11:29] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: how about telling the mouse in the router to get back to work?
[11:29] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: no router besides my internet gateway :\
[11:29] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: there's no throttling unless you are running with 'trickle' or something like that.
[11:30] <carl__> Quick question... What lib does wine use to provide itself with internet capabilities? I'm having issues with programs under wine (running on amd64) won't connect to anything
[11:30] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: oh so the mouse is dead....lol
[11:30] <animimotus> hi
[11:30] <austerity> cap_red you start wine up from scratch?
[11:30] <waylandbill> carl__: ws2_32.lib I imagine.
[11:30] <Skuller> SolidSource: Just curious....are you appointed/related by/to the Ubuntu/Kubuntu community to help in this channel or are you just another person who has a LOT of experience with this OS due to personal usage or other reasons?
[11:30] <animimotus> what the command name to launch knemo ? "knemo" does not works :)
[11:30] <animimotus> +is
[11:31] <austerity> that is the 2nd ttime I seen that question come up
[11:31] <compilerwriter> I have tried Enlightenment, Gnome, KDE, and Fluxbox, are there any other worthy guis out there for me to take a look at?  So far KDE is winning with fluxbox as a no frills close second.
[11:31] <SolidSource> Skuller: no....Came over from Fedora/SuSE (for a few years) and then started on kubuntu breezy when it came out....
[11:31] <waylandbill> Skuller: there's probably several people in here with a bunch of experience with the OS.
[11:32] <Skuller> waylandbill: yes..i figured that...theres quite a bunch of people here with a LOT of experience/knowledge with this OS
[11:32] <waylandbill> I started with slackware a while back myself.
[11:33] <Skuller> waylandbill: good to know.....
[11:33] <Jucato> Skuller: we are all related to the Kubuntu community. even you :D
[11:33] <austerity> I have a simple aas that required the coursework for lin cert jsut never took th etest =(
[11:33] <SolidSource> Jucato: LOL
[11:33] <Jucato> (so now do your part and help us help others :P)
[11:33] <austerity> the test*
[11:33] <Skuller> SolidSource: cool...
[11:33] <waylandbill> Jucato: :)
[11:34] <carl__> waylandbill: any idea where it can be obtained or rahter what packet it is part of?
[11:34] <Jucato> Skuller: knwoledge comes w/ experience, and experience w/ usage :D
[11:34] <Jucato> so start using! :D
[11:34] <Skuller> Jucato: true that....and for that you need time to spend with your darling computer
[11:34] <allee> animimotus: system settings -> advanced -> service manager   or  dcop kded kded loadModule knemod
[11:34] <waylandbill> carl__: that should be supplied with wine. It should have net capability right out of the box.
[11:34] <_eMaX_> anyone here has a clear procedure on recompiling the kernel from the repositories' kernel source (which includes the ubuntu patches) so that one comes out with an exact copy of kernel and initramfs?
[11:34] <Jucato> Skuller: nah.. you only need a minimum of 12 hours a day
[11:35] <Jucato> :D
[11:35] <SolidSource> alright, well I'm going to go to bed before the deliriously, bad jokes start flowing
[11:35] <Jucato> !kernel | _eMaX_
[11:35] <ubotu> _eMaX_: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:35] <Skuller> Jucato: lol....sure sure...i'll send my dog to school for me and let him top the class
[11:35] <compilerwriter> skuller it is a machine.  Not something to make love to.
[11:35] <SolidSource> you all enjoy
[11:35] <Jucato> Skuller: at least you'll be able to say "My dog ate my homework" :D
[11:35] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: your poor computer
[11:35] <carl__> waylandbill: well maybe so... but it doesnt >.< when running 32-bit applications on a 64bit machine they usually fails due to ipv6 but it's turned off and everything _SHOULD_ work... however it doesn't :p
[11:35] <Skuller> compilerwriter: who said anything about lovemaking?...i just referred to 'using' it...:D
[11:36] <SolidSource> yeah skuller doesn't love is computer... he thinks of it as a hooker
[11:36] <waylandbill> carl__: so you have an ipv4 address?
[11:36] <Skuller> Jucato: :D....you know the teachers here are too smart....they know i provide my dog enough food...
[11:36] <austerity> you have to recompile source for wine to work on 64
[11:36] <carl__> waylandbill: yup
[11:36] <austerity> jope i said that right
[11:37] <austerity> it's late
[11:37] <animimotus> allee: thx a lot
[11:37] <waylandbill> I haven't had experience with 64-bit, but building from source wouldn't be a bad idea.
[11:37] <Skuller> SolidSource: lol....wait till my darling hears this....ur history buddy....she packs a chainsaw in her belt on her thigh (lower left panel)
[11:37] <austerity> but yea took me a full day to get my WoW up otherwise I'd still be in win
[11:37] <allee> animimotus: np
[11:37] <austerity> =)
[11:37] <compilerwriter> Anyway abou those desktop environs I was asking about?
[11:38] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: xfce
[11:38] <carl__> waylandbill: it's close to impossible from what I've heard... so I would rather not :/
[11:38] <compilerwriter> ok will give that a try.
[11:38] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: it's colesterol free don't ya know. :-D
[11:39] <compilerwriter> Any more?
[11:39] <waylandbill> carl__: If you have the dependencies, it should be a breeze
[11:39] <compilerwriter> I found fluxbox to be a austere, but a very decent choice for XDMCP
[11:39] <Skuller> Jucato: hey...i do help people at times...i do confuse people at times...so the nethelp might go in -'ve' bu still...i help people with factoids at time..:)
[11:40] <carl__> waylandbill: well since I'm doing fuck all anyway I'd better give it a shot I suppose
[11:40] <Riddell> !language
[11:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:40] <Jucato> Skuller: I started w/ that. useful factoids, aren't they? :D
[11:40] <waylandbill> carl__: may even be able to use apt-build, but I haven't tried.
[11:40] <austerity> ubotu ownage
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ownage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <austerity> lol
[11:41] <compilerwriter> BTW:  What does it mean when one gets the error:  The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly?
[11:41] <austerity> okay bot's are talking back again time for me to go been fun guys
[11:41] <Skuller> Jucato: yep sure are....its just i have external exams this year and parents dont allow too much time with the darling so rate of learnin the new OS is slow
[11:41] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: why use anything but KDE. ;-)
[11:41] <carl__> waylandbill: hmm only thing is that I haven't been able to get checkinstall to compile on my machine either :p
[11:42] <waylandbill> carl__: does it give an error? You're probably missing prerequisites.
[11:42] <compilerwriter> I was looking for alternatives to kde for the purposes of remote X.  Felt it might save system resources etc.
[11:42] <Skuller> so a BIG THANKS
[11:42] <_eMaX_> Jucato: ok how do I find out which of debian/Config/* was used
[11:43] <compilerwriter> More importantly be faster over the net.
[11:43] <Jucato> er.. that I don't know :)
[11:43] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: if you have good connection, should be just fine. If you have a terrible connection, you may find ssh as the best alternative.
[11:43] <carl__> waylandbill: ah! now it's in the resp.... :)
[11:43] <_eMaX_> you see
[11:43] <_eMaX_> :)
[11:43] <_eMaX_> that's the problem
[11:44] <compilerwriter> Yes Waylandbill I have got ssh set up so that only I am allowed to ssh, and then only with a key, to top that all off sourceforge denyhosts has been implemented.
[11:45] <intelikey> heh i have kde running with no pannels  looks like twm or something.
[11:45] <intelikey> i should say no pannel no icons
[11:45] <compilerwriter> Other than not allowing anyone to ssh did I miss something in my security?
[11:46] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: if you have a key, you can disable keyboard authentication to tighten it up even more.
[11:46] <intelikey> max user processes ?
[11:47] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: keep in mind that if you lose the key or let it expire, you'll need physical access if you choose that route.
[11:48] <compilerwriter> Waylandbill:  I know that I normally have physical access.  This is for when I am at the in-laws etc.  I don't allow password authentication for ssh.  Is that what you meant or is there an even tighter thing I can do.
[11:49] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: that's what I meant
[11:51] <compilerwriter> Now as for xfce.  Adept as found Xfce4 which is a meta package for xfce.
[11:51] <compilerwriter> Is that what I want? or is there something else in the repos?
[11:53] <compilerwriter> Found an xfwm That looks more like Waylandbill.
[11:53] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: you can do 'xubuntu-desktop'
[11:53] <c0nv1ct> it will install all the xfce packages included in that distro
[11:53] <compilerwriter> sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop?
[11:53] <c0nv1ct> yep
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> its quite a bit of stuff
[11:54] <compilerwriter> Then do I have to install?
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> if you wanna be more selective, you can go the xfce4 route
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> no
[11:54] <_eMaX_> Jucato: in addition the description does not apply entirely to ubuntu. The directory structure of the sources is different.
[11:54] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: won't that change his dm though?
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> waylandbill: possibly
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> waylandbill: when i installed kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu, it kept it as gdm though
[11:54] <intelikey> odd in setting hot keys i can't use [win]   it seems to be a meta key or something ?
[11:54] <waylandbill> probably better to go the xfce route.
[11:54] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: what DM do you use now?
[11:55] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: yeah, but kubuntu normally uses kdm, not gdm
[11:55] <c0nv1ct> yeah, and i was running GDM, and nothing was changed
[11:55] <compilerwriter> I probably have gdm, c0nv1ct.
[11:55] <c0nv1ct> where as kubuntu installed KDM by default
[11:56] <c0nv1ct> so, i assume that the xubuntu package will keep the DM the same
[11:56] <compilerwriter> I started out with Gnome and did the sudo apt get kubuntu desktop.
[11:56] <c0nv1ct> oh you will be fine then
[11:56] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: if you don't mind having gdm, then you should be okay to go with xubuntu-desktop.
[11:56] <c0nv1ct> i installed xubuntu-desktop in gnome, and it didnt mess with GDM
[11:56] <compilerwriter> Though I did a fresh install of Kubuntu a while back. So I may have kdm.
[11:56] <c0nv1ct> i dont think KDM works that well for loading different WMs
[11:57] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: that's because they use the same one.
[11:57] <c0nv1ct> xubuntu doesnt use XDM?
[11:57] <Jucato> xubuntu uses GDM
[11:57] <Jucato> (iirc)
[11:57] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: no. it uses gdm becuase it's based on gtk libraries
[11:57] <c0nv1ct> ah ok, never installed a pure xubuntu system
[11:57] <Jucato> xdm isn't the Xfce Display Manager btw :D
[11:58] <c0nv1ct> no, its the old X DM
[11:58] <intelikey> Jucato ?
[11:58] <waylandbill> and kdm loads other wm's just fine.
[11:58] <Jucato> XDM = X Display Manager
[11:58] <c0nv1ct> ya, isnt that what i said? :P
[11:58] <intelikey> yes but doesn't xubuntu use xdm ?
[11:58] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: I was telling intelikey that :)
[11:58] <Jucato> intelikey: nope. not on Xubuntu.
[11:59] <Jucato> maybe Xfce does. but not XUbuntu
[11:59] <intelikey> ok.
[11:59] <compilerwriter> So then which is the safest plan for me?
[11:59] <Jucato> but whether Xfce uses it or not, it's not the "Xfce Display Manager" :D
[12:00] <c0nv1ct> i just figured XDM would follow along with the Xfce 'lightweight' aspect
[12:00] <intelikey> you mean xfce4 ?
[12:01] <waylandbill> c0nv1ct: it would except that xubuntu has a good deal of gtk apps installed already, so gdm isn't costing that much.
[12:01] <intelikey> xfce4 doesn't depend on any dm    there doesn't seem to be a meta-package xfce
[12:01] <c0nv1ct> waylandbill: that makes sense, GDM is much better anyway
[12:01] <intelikey> dapper ^
[12:01] <intelikey> !info xfce
[12:02] <ubotu> Package xfce does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:02] <c0nv1ct> !info xubuntu-desktop
[12:02] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: Xubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.23 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:03] <waylandbill> for that matter, none of them depend on a display manager, all of them could be started from the command line.
[12:03] <intelikey> so there isn't a meta package for xfce like there is for gnome and kde
[12:03] <Jucato> !info xfce4 | intelikey
[12:03] <ubotu> intelikey: xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.90.2 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[12:04] <Jucato> fwiw, KDE itself doesn't depend on KDM. the only dependencies of KDE (base) is Qt, (aRts) and kdelibs
[12:05] <intelikey> Depends: xfwm4 (>= 4.3.0-1), xfwm4-themes (>= 4.3.0-1), xfce4-mcs-plugins (>= 4.3.0-1), xfce4-panel (>= 4.3.0-1), xfce4-icon-theme (>= 4.3.0-1), xfdesktop4 (>=
[12:05] <intelikey> 4.3.0-1), xfce4-utils (>= 4.3.0-1), gtk2-engines-xfce, xfce4-session (>= 4.3.0-1)
[12:07] <intelikey> so then xfce4 is the meta package for xfce      it is just very light weight
[12:07] <compilerwriter> I must be doing something wrong with the sudo apt-get command.  I keep getting: E: Invalid operation xubuntu-desktop
[12:08] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: did you include the word 'install' ?
[12:08] <compilerwriter> c0nv1ct no i did not.
[12:08] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: it helps if you do :P
[12:09] <compilerwriter> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[12:09] <c0nv1ct> yep, that'll do it
[12:09] <Lamington> :D
[12:09] <c0nv1ct> :)
[12:10] <Jucato> you should look for genii :D
[12:10] <intelikey> :)
[12:11] <intelikey> is there a meta-package for blackbox ?
[12:13] <Jucato> compilerwriter: meta-package - a package that installs or points to other "real" packages
[12:13] <intelikey> compilerwriter a package that simply depends on other packages but doesn't really installing anything.
[12:14] <intelikey> s2installing2install2
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> damn, you are all making me crave caffene
[12:15] <c0nv1ct> i gotta make tea now
[12:15] <waylandbill> I wonder why I wasn't offered the baileys. :-D
[12:17] <intelikey> someone build a meta-package for a blackbox desktop.   really light and usable.
[12:18] <compilerwriter> intelikey I have found fluxbox to be quite light and usable.
[12:18] <Jucato> intelikey: what for?
[12:18] <Jucato> !info blackbox | intelikey
[12:18] <ubotu> intelikey: blackbox: Window manager for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.70.1-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 251 kB, installed size 768 kB
[12:21] <intelikey> Jucato cause that needs a few usable apps added.   "bbappconf bbconf bbkeys bbmail bbpager bbppp bbrun bbsload bbtime blackbox blackbox-themes
[12:21] <Jucato> ah I see....
[12:21] <intelikey> maybe not the full list but the bbrun and *conf would be nice
[12:22] <intelikey> and a xfe xfw pair maybe
[12:22] <intelikey> errr xfm
[12:22] <intelikey> turn the w over...
[12:22] <c0nv1ct> hmm, now i wanna install fluxbox and blackbox
[12:23] <c0nv1ct> i've only used fluxbox on knoppix STD
[12:23] <intelikey> that would give it a filemanager an editor a command interface and some config apps.
[12:23] <intelikey> maybe a elinks for the web browser ???
[12:24] <intelikey> that would pretty much get a fellow started.
[12:24] <compilerwriter> OK I have this issue of only one display manager can run at a time, unless, of course I want to run two display managers.  Which is better kdm or gdm?
[12:25] <c0nv1ct> gdm
[12:25] <c0nv1ct> afaik, gdm is best when running multiple DEs
[12:25] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: except when you will be running KDE
[12:25] <c0nv1ct> gdm works for kde just fine
[12:25] <intelikey> blackbox bbappconf bbconf bbmail xfe xfm elinks  bbppp bbrun    there ya go. that's a usable gui+apps list.
[12:26] <c0nv1ct> i had gnome, kde and xfce4 all working fine from GDM
[12:26] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: if you start KDE from GDM, you won't have a direct Shutdown/Restart option. just logout/end sessoin
[12:26] <intelikey> oh and     meun   ^ don't forget that.
[12:26] <Jucato> session*
[12:26] <Jucato> goes the same if you use KDM and start GNOME
[12:26] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: really? i never noticed that
[12:27] <Jucato> you never shutdown w/o logging out?
[12:27] <c0nv1ct> i dont remember it being missing, i'm sure i shutdown or rebooted from inside KDE
[12:27] <Jucato> intelikey: there are other, more direct ways to logout
[12:28] <intelikey> Jucato i never logout to shutdown
[12:28] <compilerwriter> I must be running gdm then.  I don't have a direct shutdown.
[12:28] <compilerwriter> I am currently in kde though.
[12:28] <c0nv1ct> i guess, when i usually need to reboot, i've been working in a console, so i just init 6
[12:28] <intelikey> compilerwriter it's configurable also.  can be set to ask or simply logout.
[12:29] <waylandbill> both gdm and kdm work fine for whichever de you are going to run. It's really personal choice and what libraries you're normally going to use.
[12:29] <compilerwriter> I almost never shut down anyway.
[12:29] <Jucato> waylandbill: except, like I said, when it comes to shutting down/restarting
[12:29] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: does init 6 initiate the proper session processes when rebooting?
[12:30] <waylandbill> push the power button :)
[12:30] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: i doubt it, it just kills everything
[12:30] <intelikey> ok.  now let me put my $.02 in.    gdm is same, but kdm is insane; using /root for a temp dir.
[12:30] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: ah.. baaaaad  :D
[12:30] <Jucato> intelikey: what does?
[12:30] <Jucato> kdm use /root for a temp dir?
[12:30] <intelikey> Jucato kdm
[12:30] <intelikey> yes
[12:31] <compilerwriter> So since I most often use kde it would make sense  then to use kdm as my dm?
[12:31] <Jucato> intelikey: how do you check?
[12:31] <intelikey> i've been telling you folks that for a long time.   rm /root and reset X
[12:31] <waylandbill> I don't see anything that looks like temp files in /root with "ls -al"
[12:32] <c0nv1ct> waylandbill: i'm looking too, and dont see anything
[12:32] <Jucato> ok I'll try that later. can't restart X right now. but afaik, it doesn't do that here...
[12:32] <c0nv1ct> anything that looks like temp stuff anyway
[12:32] <Jucato>  /root is empty...
[12:32] <intelikey> waylandbill they are in root/.blah/
[12:32] <intelikey> enturpret blah
[12:32] <Jucato> aaah
[12:32] <Jucato> ok there
[12:33] <waylandbill> of course they'd be in .xxx   or I'd of skipped the -al
[12:33] <Jucato> but are you sure it's kdm doing this?
[12:33] <intelikey> yes it's kdm
[12:33] <Jucato> fine
[12:33] <Jucato> everybody: don't care again
[12:34] <compilerwriter> intelikey Is there a security issue with using /root as temp? What makes this bad practice?  Please don't beat me too much about the head yet, Genii hasn't brought the coffee.
[12:34] <c0nv1ct> i never go into /root anyway, i dont care :)
[12:34] <intelikey> compilerwriter in my openion yes.  but it is debatable.
[12:34] <waylandbill> I was going to dig down into /root/.kde but maybe I don't care to anymore. ;)
[12:34] <c0nv1ct> only to make some nifty bash aliases, thats about it
[12:34] <intelikey> c0nv1ct every time you issue kdesu or sudo you go into root
[12:35] <c0nv1ct> not into "/root"
[12:35] <intelikey> where do yu think root lives ?
[12:35] <c0nv1ct> when i use sudo, it leaves its home :)
[12:35] <intelikey> sudo -i does
[12:35] <waylandbill> the things in /root/.kde are symlinks to /var/tmp
[12:35] <c0nv1ct> so its home has no real use to me
[12:36] <c0nv1ct> well yeah, but how often do you really need to use sudo -i?
[12:36] <intelikey> waylandbill what version ?
[12:36] <Jucato> ditto
[12:36] <waylandbill> edgy
[12:36] <Jucato> symlinks to /var and /tmp
[12:36] <intelikey> c0nv1ct do you ever sudo su ?
[12:36] <c0nv1ct> rarely
[12:36] <c0nv1ct> only if i have a ton of commands to run as root
[12:37] <Jucato> of course, there are some configs and app settings in there too
[12:37] <Jucato> but that's only normal when you use kdesu/sudo w/ a KDE app
[12:37] <intelikey> then they have "fixed" it in some degree... but it still shouldn't be even touching the adminstrator account's home dir.
[12:37] <Jucato> for example, kdesu kate
[12:38] <compilerwriter> Jucato that I have done.
[12:38] <intelikey> in dapper they were not "are not" symlinks.
[12:39] <intelikey> so i still say kdm is insane, for accessing /root   never should happen.
[12:39] <compilerwriter> I think I shall err on the side of caution and use gdm
[12:39] <waylandbill> intelikey: you thinking any persistent configuration it needs should be under /etc? I could agree with that.
[12:40] <intelikey> there are a thousand ways they could have done better than that...
[12:40] <Riddell> ** topic diff  please test edgy->feisty upgrade https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> ummmm does that mean we can only talk aboutthat?
[12:41] <waylandbill> :)
[12:41] <intelikey>  /etc or /etc/kdm/ would have be standard.   there are always /usr/share/kdm /usr/lib/kdm and a lot of other places they could have went and been "within the norm"
[12:42] <intelikey> s7be7been7
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> isn't that sort of thing defined in LSB?
[12:43] <intelikey> where it does make a "real" differance is on a box that security is essential and the root account is used.
[12:44] <intelikey> nosrednaekim yes.
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> ahh.... so the location of the kdm files doesn't follow LSB?
[12:45] <intelikey> also Jucato compilerwriter waylandbill anyone else concerned,  ls -ld /root   is it readable to anyone besides root ?
[12:46] <intelikey> i have    d--------- 2 root root 4096 Mar  8 04:58 /root
[12:46] <intelikey> what have ye ?
[12:46] <c0nv1ct> drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2007-03-14 04:31 /root
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 2007-03-13 13:18 /root
[12:46] <intelikey> world readable
[12:46] <waylandbill> drwxr-xr-x
[12:46] <c0nv1ct> yep
[12:46] <intelikey> heh
[12:46] <compilerwriter> drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2007-03-14 07:05 /root
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: thats not a security issue is it?
[12:47] <intelikey> world readable all the way around.
[12:47] <intelikey> nosrednaekim absolutely.
[12:47] <intelikey> but not in ubuntu it seems.
[12:47] <waylandbill> any file in there that would be of value wouldn't be world readable
[12:47] <c0nv1ct> what exactly in /root is so sensitive that it cant be read?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> waylandbill: like what is so secret about /root?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> there really isn'e even anything in there
[12:48] <c0nv1ct> its just a home directory
[12:48] <intelikey> what in a users account is sensitive ?     /root is an accounts home.  "the" adminestrators account. to be exact.
[12:49] <LycanNYC-work> so im trying to remove gdm and now openoffice wants to go too how do i stoppopen from going
[12:49] <waylandbill> if there was something put in there that shouldn't be read, it would have been set to uo-r
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> drwxrwx--- 109 michael michael 4096 2007-03-14 07:41 /home/michael
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> ^^now is that insecure for a home directory?
[12:49] <intelikey> waylandbill then why have permissions on dirs ?
[12:50] <waylandbill> then why have permissions on files?
[12:50] <c0nv1ct> then why put something in /root? lol
[12:50] <intelikey> sudo find / -type d -exec chmod 777 '{}' \;
[12:50] <intelikey> if you want to play lets play...
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> wait... doesn't that find all files and modify their permissions?
[12:51] <intelikey> nosrednaekim no only dirs.  but don't run it.
[12:52] <intelikey> it will break all kinds o things
[12:52] <c0nv1ct> lol yeah, i wouldnt
[12:52] <waylandbill> the fact that the dir is o-w makes it that only root is going to put a file in there that can be read and as such, if it was important would also remove the ability to read if needed.
[12:53] <c0nv1ct> or if it was really important, it would be encrypted
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> thats what I thought....
[12:53] <intelikey> nosrednaekim as touching your home dir.  only slightly.  should remove write access for group unless it's absolutely needed.
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: I'm the only member of my group
[12:54] <intelikey> then should remove all access to the group
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> but, yeah.i'll do that
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> ok...I just gave the group just read, just incase I add someone to my group for some reason
[12:55] <intelikey> waylandbill as to your last comment.  then why is kdm writing to it ?
[12:55] <intelikey> and that's my point    ^
[12:57] <waylandbill> intelikey: it's writing to it yes, but in a subdir of drwx------, noone but root is going to read that
[12:58] <robnyc_> hello
[12:58] <robnyc_> how do i re-configure my display manager to kdm instead of gdm
[12:59] <intelikey> shouldn't be touching /root at all.   and what is in the subdir is in /tmp  and or /var/tmp   so why is it going through /root to get there  ?
[12:59] <c0nv1ct> robnyc_: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[12:59] <waylandbill> I do agree the /root should be not world readable. but if the system needed to be that secure, wouldn't the umask set for new files restrict reading by others anyway?
[01:01] <smile> hello linux people :-)
[01:01] <intelikey> waylandbill i confessed first of all.  it's only of a minute "security" issue.   but the fact that kdm which users access all the time is writing in what is "supposed to be" the highest security dir on the system is not acceptable to me.
[01:01] <c0nv1ct> dear god, its smile
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> smile:-P
[01:02] <smile> c0nv1ct: ooh it's u !! .. how r u ?
[01:02] <c0nv1ct> good man, you?
[01:02] <smile> nosrednaekim: hi !
[01:02] <waylandbill> intelikey: it's debatable if /root is of any more priority than /etc is.
[01:03] <intelikey> not in most distros.
[01:03] <smile> anyone have a idea how to install BEWAN udb adsl on Edgy or Feizy ????? ... it works fine on Dapper !
[01:03] <c0nv1ct> i dont even know what that is smile, sorry :)
[01:04] <smile> c0nv1ct: a ADSL modem .. i found a tutorial says that it's supported by Edgy
[01:04] <intelikey> ln linux in general; /root is not group or user accessable but /etc has to be.  there are files that users must read in /etc/
[01:05] <intelikey> pardon  group or world ^
[01:05] <waylandbill> intelikey: but the ones they should not, they cannot.
[01:05] <intelikey> correct.  but the whole dir /root is "normally" off limits.
[01:06] <intelikey> and the files that users can not read in /etc/ they can still see.... what if file name was important for some reason....   but i'm finished on that topic.
[01:07] <waylandbill> yeah. I agree. I always assumed it was until you pointed it out. Shows how much I even acknowledge /root even exists. :-)
[01:08] <intelikey> also shows how much you though you knew about your own system....
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: do you even need a /root with sudo?
[01:08] <intelikey> nosrednaekim yes
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> although i'm not dleteing it cause I enabled root log in
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:09] <intelikey> root's home doesn't have to be /root you know.  just like user home doesn't have to be in /home....
[01:09] <intelikey> but that's highly non-standard.
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah....I noticed that, I also read that home directories USED to be in /usr (thats back with UNIX)
[01:12] <waylandbill> still is... freebsd puts em in /usr
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> waylandbill: they just have to do things differently don't they?:-P
[01:13] <intelikey> yeah but location does not make safe,  anyone could cat /etc/passwd and see where you live...
[01:13] <intelikey> nosrednaekim no nothing changes just because your home is non-standard
[01:13] <waylandbill> they did it because / was a small parition and /usr was a big one.
[01:14] <waylandbill> or many times another drive.
[01:14] <intelikey> time was when / could be on a floppy disk and /usr and /var on an hd
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: I know....
[01:15] <waylandbill> intelikey: not too long ago in the grand scheme of things. :-)
[01:15] <intelikey> indeed
[01:16] <capcom> does someone know when in april feisty will be released? predicted in early, middle or late april?
[01:17] <{slacky}> someone knows where is the packet for "xmllint"... I'm trying to compile kdebase4
[01:17] <intelikey> i also take issue with the fact that dpkg doesn't live in /sbin   that may not be lsb compliant either but i have never really persuid that.
[01:17] <intelikey> !feisty
[01:17] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[01:17] <intelikey> see the links for the schedual
[01:17] <capcom> thanx
[01:18] <intelikey> {slacky} maybe   libxml2-utils - XML utilities
[01:18] <intelikey> not sure.
[01:19] <{slacky}> ok found
[01:19] <{slacky}> Feisty Fawn is ready to be released?
[01:19] <smile> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheelp .. i cant find the option " find " in the "tools" menu in konqueror !!!
[01:19] <{slacky}> end of april?
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> capcom: I heard april 19
[01:19] <intelikey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[01:20] <smile> nosrednaekim: what's new in Feisty ?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> smile: its in edit
[01:21] <{slacky}> yes 19th april
[01:21] <smile> nosrednaekim: no .. i cant find it .. it's in tools ( outil in franch )
[01:21] <capcom> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks.
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> did you load the kubuntu web browser profile?
[01:21] <smile> nosrednaekim: i mean " search a file "
[01:21] <intelikey>  April 12th  is the release date  but they will still be working on  i18's  until the 19th
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> search for a file or search within an opened page?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> working on what?
[01:22] <{slacky}> mmm will we have xorg 7.2 and beryl?
[01:22] <intelikey> i18
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> whats that?
[01:22] <intelikey> language packs.
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> ahh I getcha
[01:23] <{slacky}> configuration of the 3D effect... without we have to read howtos? :)
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> 7.2....I think that was on the list...not sure
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> {slacky}: thats not happening
[01:23] <{slacky}> :(
[01:24] <intelikey>    21   March 22nd      /!\ BetaRelease
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> yeah..I'm getting the first beta
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> huh?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> you running dapper or something?
[01:26] <intelikey> yeah
[01:26] <capcom> what comes after feisty? g.... ?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> loser...;)
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> giddy giraffe...
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> :-D
[01:27] <capcom> hihi
[01:27] <intelikey> !lts | nosrednaekim
[01:27] <ubotu> nosrednaekim: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[01:27] <capcom> gnomish gnu ;)
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: I was kidding..
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> capcom: I like it!!
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> except unfortunately kubuntu would have to use the same name
[01:29] <intelikey> what's a "gu new" ?
[01:29] <intelikey> and how do you distinguish a gnomish one from otheres ?
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> a gnomish one is smaller... and it all brown and ugly
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[01:29] <intelikey> lol
[01:29] <waylandbill> :)
[01:30] <intelikey> but you still didn't tell me what a gnu was ?
[01:30] <waylandbill> it's similar to a yak
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> a gnu is a ox-like animal tht lives in africa
 gnu
[01:31] <enry> hi
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> hi
[01:32] <intelikey> large South African antelopes of the genus Catoblephas
[01:32] <intelikey> i didn't know tha
[01:33] <{slacky}> will be possible in the next release to choose ReiserFS when installing Kubuntu?
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> I wouldn't so much call them antelopes... but i'll leave that up to the topologists and zoologista
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> {slacky}: don't you need the alternate CD for that?
[01:34] <{slacky}> nosrednaekim: alternate?
[01:34] <c0nv1ct> yeah, cant you use ReiserFS with edgy?
[01:34] <Jucato> {slacky}: the ALternate Install CD. afaik it has an option for reiserfs..
[01:34] <c0nv1ct> thats what i thought
[01:35] <intelikey> if they use gnomish gnu will that prevent them using wolly wildebeest ?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> yeah....
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: thats along way in the future!!
[01:35] <intelikey> same anamil tho  :)
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> by that time everyone will have forgotten the gnu
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> yes...
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> I' rather have a gnu
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> :-P
[01:37] <intelikey> so is that emacs goat supposed to actually be a wildebeest ?
[01:37] <intelikey> a gnu ?
[01:38] <waylandbill> yes.
[01:39] <waylandbill> because the gnu emacs project is part of the gnu system.
[01:39] <waylandbill> and I didn't think it looked like a goat.
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> to somebody who didn't know what a gnu was or looked like, it would...:)
[01:41] <intelikey> the gnu gorgon
[01:46] <smile> can i have virs in my Linux ??
[01:47] <intelikey> virus ?
[01:47] <Jucato> !virus
[01:47] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[01:47] <smile> intelikey: yes !!
[01:47] <intelikey> you can if you can find one....  there have been a few.   like 5   i think
[01:48] <intelikey> in the whole history of linux
[01:48] <smile> intelikey: really !! i think linux cant run virus !
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> the latest was fixed within 24 hours
[01:48] <intelikey> smile like i said "if you can find one"
[01:49] <mcx> hmm
[01:49] <Tinuva> maybe only 5 viruses, but lotsa exploits
[01:49] <smile> intelikey: linux can't be affected with a virus or a trojan my friend :-p
[01:49] <intelikey> Tinuva yeah  almost rivals M$ in that field
[01:50] <intelikey> smile that's not true.
[01:50] <Tinuva> of coarse linux can be affected by virus;s
[01:50] <Tinuva> it just needs a dumb user constantly on the root account
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> yep...
[01:50] <smile> Tinuva: explain more plz !!
[01:51] <intelikey> and the virus needs to be adepted for linux to some degree
[01:51] <Tinuva> yes the virus has to target linux thats obvious
[01:51] <Tinuva> problem is, more users use windows so why write a virus for linux if it wont really spread
[01:52] <smile> Tinuva: every process needs to be compiled first and have to permission .. so IF  U R not ROOT .. u r SAFE !!!!
[01:53] <||arifaX> what upgrade is this ? "a new version of kubuntu is available do you want to upgrade?" is this feisty??
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> fiesty alpha 5, yes
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> unless you like living on the bleeding edge, and this isn't your primary computer, don't do it
[01:54] <smile> Tinuva: Linux desktop will kill Micsft in few years for many reasons
[01:55] <smile> Tinuva: like security reason and the free open source
[01:55] <smile> Tinuva: i mean the price too $$$$
[01:56] <Tinuva> smile, we will see
[01:56] <Tinuva> i like linux, have many hopes for it
[01:57] <Tinuva> but windows still has the games
[01:57] <waylandbill> i think the free in freedom will be it's success, not free as in no cost.
[01:57] <smile> Tinuva: stop saying bullshit ..
[01:57] <Tinuva> dude, ive been using linux since i was 8 years old
[01:57] <smile> Tinuva: windows is spread now bekoz is easy to use !!!
[01:57] <Tinuva> i think im a realist though
[01:57] <Tinuva> anyways gtg
[01:58] <smile> Tinuva: but Linux & UNIX were just for pro .. but now they r making things easier ..
[01:58] <waylandbill> windows is spread because it was forced onto many systems. people would've used anything else if windows wasn't there.
[01:59] <smile> Tinuva: Windows is developped by Miscrosoft Staff ( 2000 worker ) ... Linux is developped by all the world .. me .. and you !!! So ?? :-p
[01:59] <aimee> hey, I got a problem with kubuntu 6.10 i386
[01:59] <aimee> this is a sound problem
[02:00] <c0nv1ct> how sound is it?
[02:00] <smile> waylandbill: dont forget that .. user r afraid to try a new thing .. but if they try linux .. they will fall in love & kick Windows out ;-)
[02:00] <smile> waylandbill: like me .. and you maybe
[02:00] <aimee> c0nv1ct, I couldn't hear anything when kubuntu start although amarok play fine
[02:01] <smile> aimee: check notification System
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> aimee: I don't hear the startup sounds wither
[02:01] <waylandbill> I already don't have windows. If I need it, I use a remote session on a co-worker's computer. :-)
[02:01] <aimee> no, mplayer, kplayer noatun and kmplayer didn't work
[02:01] <||arifaX> nosrednaekim: why does this update come over regular updates when it is beta?
[02:02] <smile> aimee: run " kcontrol " and check Sound and multimedia --> system notification
[02:02] <aimee> but why Mplayer, and noatun didn't work
[02:02] <aimee> I don't know, mplayer connected to arts but i could hear no sound
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> ||arifaX: IDK...
[02:03] <Jucato> !sound
[02:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:03] <||arifaX> nosrednaekim: or is it just a question if I like to beta-test. I got this after the todays updates were installed
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> yeah...thats basically it.... but they should word it better...
[02:03] <smile> soooooooooooooooooooooo sory .. Linux can have virus .. but not serious http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[02:04] <aimee> I'm sure arts running, ubotu, but in sound system I couldn't hear sound test too
[02:04] <waylandbill> i don't think there was enough o's
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> ubotu is a bot
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <waylandbill> !bot
[02:06] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:06] <just-this-time> !modem
[02:06] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[02:07] <waylandbill> hehe. is the question of connecting via dialup a rhetoric question? ;-)
[02:07] <just-this-time> waylandbill: /
[02:07] <just-this-time> ?
[02:07] <just-this-time> !ubotu
[02:07] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:08] <waylandbill> just-this-time: was just thinking out loud
[02:12] <eilker> !keylogger
[02:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keylogger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <eilker> !lkl
[02:14] <ubotu> lkl: userspace keylogger for x86 architecture. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386)
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> sweet!!
[02:15] <eilker> :) ?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> wish I could get it for AMD64
[02:15] <eilker> only x86...
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:20] <eilker> nosrednaekim> http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> python! ooohhh I can use this
[02:21] <bentob0x> when you mount a network share, do you have to specify the character set to use to preserve accents and stuff?
[02:22] <leiar> I'm installing kubuntu on the teacher's laptops, with dualboot. It works fine, but this laptop has got a swtich to turn on and of the wireless NC. Anybodu who knows how to set this to default ON?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> only for windows.....
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> leiar: is it a hardware or software switch?
[02:23] <leiar> nosrednaekim: hardware
[02:24] <leiar> I'm installing kubuntu on the teacher's laptops, with dualboot. It works fine, but this laptop has got a swtich to turn on and of the wireless NC. Anybodu who knows how to set this to default ON?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> leiar: then why do you need a "default" hardware is either on or its off...
[02:25] <waylandbill> is it a switch or a push button?
[02:26] <leiar> waylandbill: a push button
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ahh..and does it "click" or is it a spring?
[02:26] <c0nv1ct> leiar: have you checked the bios for a setting for that?
[02:26] <leiar> in fact. I can't enable it at all by pushing this button
[02:27] <leiar> c0nv1ct: good idea
[02:27] <c0nv1ct> it could be software controlled though, which would suck
[02:27] <waylandbill> or is it just a push button that closes a gate
[02:28] <waylandbill> this one simply sends a signal to the nic card and toggles the state that way. it does store the last state which is nice. :-)
[02:28] <nosrednaekim>  mine is software controlled through ACPI, thankfully i'm using Ndiswrapper and the windows driver can actually handle the software switch!!
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:29] <waylandbill> nosrednaekim: that's probably how this one works too.
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah... funny thing is, I have a bluetooth switch (but not bluetooth) and it sends an ACPI signal also a which I can use(I just have to figure out how)
[02:31] <c0nv1ct> i bet thats how leiar's laptop wireless button works
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah/...
[02:31] <c0nv1ct> i doubt it'll be easy to get to function in linux
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> its pretty hard.... but ussually, as long as you don't touch the button, its ok..
[02:32] <Lamington> hey folks
[02:32] <Lamington> I'd like to run a Tremulous server all the time
[02:32] <Lamington> How do I do that and switch between that and my KDE desktop nice and easy ?
[02:34] <c0nv1ct> Lamington: i used to use 'screen' to run servers in the background like that
[02:34] <Lamington> screen ?
[02:34] <c0nv1ct> Lamington: or you can just run it in one of your ttys, like alt-f2 through f6
[02:35] <c0nv1ct> then just alt-f7 to get back to KDe
[02:35] <just-this-time> \o
[02:35] <Lamington> yes I tried that but Tremulous wont start up for some reason
[02:35] <just-this-time> where is modem lights applet ?
[02:35] <c0nv1ct> Lamington: what error did you get?
[02:35] <Lamington> err I'd have to try it again
[02:36] <Lamington> cause I dont remember exactnly :P
[02:36] <mdtyke> Hey.  Ive not moved long from Windows.  Is there an FTP client, like CuteFTP that'll allow me to remotely edit files (eg: .html, .php) etc
[02:36] <Lamington> just a sec
[02:36] <mdtyke> I really like this KFTPGrabber, but it seems to be lacking the Edit feature
[02:36] <c0nv1ct> unless it has to run in X, it should work like that
[02:36] <c0nv1ct> mdtyke: konqueror works for that
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> mdtyke: konquror?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> *konqueror
[02:37] <mdtyke> Hmm
[02:37] <c0nv1ct> tremulous looks kinda interesting, i've never played it
[02:37] <c0nv1ct> are the graphics any good?
[02:38] <just-this-time> mstyke prefer ssh
[02:38] <just-this-time> !ssh
[02:38] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[02:38] <Lamington> tremulous uses the quake3 engine
[02:38] <c0nv1ct> ah, then thats not bad
[02:38] <c0nv1ct> i'm gonna install it :D
[02:38] <Lamington> :)
[02:39] <Lamington> its alot of fun
[02:39] <c0nv1ct> is it multiplayer only?
[02:39] <Lamington> yes
[02:39] <mdtyke> Well, why I liked CuteFTP was the fact I could just right click>Edit, and not have to open other programs
[02:39] <mdtyke> with Konqueror, I still have to go and open Kate to be able to do that
[02:39] <c0nv1ct> whats wrong with opening kate/
[02:40] <Lamington> ok I have something wierd happening here that has nothing to do with tremulous
[02:40] <Lamington> nevermind
[02:40] <mdtyke> Nothing is.. but I do a lot of editing, so it's just a lot of extra hassel
[02:40] <Lamington> I'll sort that out
[02:40] <mdtyke> having to open other programs etc
[02:40] <c0nv1ct> Lamington: are there bots so i can learn without hopping into a server?
[02:40] <Lamington> no bots sorry
[02:40] <mdtyke> If you've used CuteFTP, you'll see the advantages of simple editing
[02:40] <c0nv1ct> mdtyke: i've used cuteftp, but you know you can just keep kate open
[02:41] <Lamington> you can run your own server though and run around in it building things and stuff by yourself :P
[02:41] <c0nv1ct> kate can handle more than 1 file in the same instance
[02:41] <mdtyke> I know c0nv1ct.. but its just annoying then having two programs, as opposed to one
[02:41] <mdtyke> supposedly KFTPGrabber (which is great) can view/edit remote files, but for the life of me I've never seen how
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> mdtyke: I think you can just browse the remote folder in kate...
[02:43] <mdtyke> I do like Kate.. I just wish it would do what I want it to do, which is have a button to compile java :P
[02:43] <mdtyke> The Java Editors Ive seen for Linux have to be the ugliest, sluggish..est things Ive ever seen in my life
[02:44] <mdtyke> I'm used to doing stuff in Textpad for windows.. which is essentially Kate with a button running a tool (like Kate's external tools) that compiles Java
[02:44] <mdtyke> I have my Kate compiling, but it opens a Konsole window.. I was trying to figure out how I could get the external tool I made to call the embedded terminal, but I couldnt do it
[02:44] <mdtyke> as considering it's there, it would be much handier, than having windows popping up all over the place, just to test something
[02:45] <Lamington> I think I might go play Tremulous now :P
[02:45] <Lamington> If you see me online playing tremulous I go by the nick 'kubuntumatic'
[02:45] <Lamington> :P
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> !away
[02:46] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[02:47] <Jucato> !away > Lamington|away
[02:48] <Lamington> eh ?
[02:48] <Lamington> whats this ?
[02:49] <Jucato> Lamington: please turn off your public away messages
[02:49] <Lamington> You realise you are complaining about a default setting in Konversation ?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Lamington: it's not the default, trust me.
[02:49] <Jucato> it is not a default setting in Kubuntu's Konversation
[02:49] <Lamington> I havent changed it
[02:49] <Jucato> it is also not a default setting in Konversation (the maintainer has made sure of that)
[02:50] <schmakk> anyone happen to have a solution to the fan spinning at 100% on ati cards with binary driver?
[02:50] <just-this-time> how to test modem /dev/modem ?
[02:50] <Lamington> What is the problem ?
[02:50] <eilker> nosrednaekim>: this works    http://distrojockey.com/2005/ultimate-linux-keylogger-uberkey.190.linux
[02:50] <just-this-time> !modem
[02:50] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[02:50] <Jucato> Lamington: see what the bot has said
[02:50] <Jucato> simply turn it off and everything will be fine
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> eilker: thanx
[02:54] <eilker> !clamav
[02:54] <ubotu> clamav: antivirus scanner for Unix. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.88.4-1ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 65 kB, installed size 208 kB
[02:55] <eilker> !firestarter > eilker
[02:55] <leiar> lost connection, back again
[02:55] <leiar> how do i add a user to the sudoers group?
[02:56] <Lamington|away> that didnt work
[02:56] <leiar> I can't remember setting any root password when installing kubuntu..
[02:56] <c0nv1ct> leiar: visudo
[02:56] <c0nv1ct> leiar: there is no root password by default
[02:56] <eilker> leiar: from system settings too
[02:57] <eilker> people do u use guarddog and clamav ? is it necessary ?
[02:57] <c0nv1ct> clamav isnt really, but i like to have a firewall
[02:58] <c0nv1ct> i didnt like guarddog, i have a nice script
[02:58] <Lamington|away> Hows that ?
[02:58] <c0nv1ct> eh?
[02:58] <Jucato> Lamington|away: perfect
[02:58] <eilker> it doesnt seem to be easy to cofgre iptable , does it ?
[02:59] <Lamington|away> Good I'm glad we're all happy now
[02:59] <Jucato> Lamington|away: you turned it off right?
[02:59] <c0nv1ct> not exactly eilker
[02:59] <Lamington|away> I had to find it first
[02:59] <Jucato> you could have asked :)
[02:59] <c0nv1ct> iptables gets pretty complicated, but just to create simple rules to block ports isnt too hard
[02:59] <Lamington|away> Well I found it
[02:59] <knubbe> since a while, if i leave my computer and then comes back after 15 minutes, kde freezes itself
[03:00] <knubbe> is this a known problem?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> and what hppens when you move the mouse?
[03:00] <Jucato> knubbe: um.. no..
[03:00] <Hobbsee> knubbe: openGL screensaver?
[03:00] <eilker> c0nv1ct>: does your iptables configration hold in a file ?
[03:00] <knubbe> i had my firefox window opened. i coulf refresh it (using F5)  but i couldnt switch application, click the "kde button" ..
[03:00] <knubbe> Jucato: ok.
[03:00] <c0nv1ct> eilker: yes, its a script that is executed at boot, iptables doesnt remember anything
[03:01] <knubbe> Hobbsee: ill have a look. one sec.
[03:01] <knubbe> Hobbsee: yes! "Rotation (GL)"
[03:01] <eilker> c0nv1ct> may i see your script ? or may i use it too ?
[03:02] <knubbe> Hobbsee: is something wrong with opengl since the last kernel upgrade last week?
[03:02] <c0nv1ct> eilker: its arno-iptables-firewall, you can find it in the repos
[03:02] <eilker> c0nv1ct> thanx let me try
[03:02] <Hobbsee> knubbe: did this only start last week?
[03:02] <c0nv1ct> you have to edit the .conf file, to allow incoming ports
[03:03] <knubbe> Hobbsee: im not sure when it started, ive been using another computer lately.
[03:03] <knubbe> Hobbsee: but i know it used to work
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> knubbe: did you have any form of binary video driver installed?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> because kernel updates sometime mess those up
[03:03] <knubbe> nosrednaekim: yes! i upgraded w32codecs last week. that might be it?
[03:05] <just-this-time>  - /dev/ttys0 ok
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> knubbe: did you upgrade the kernel?
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> lately...
[03:05] <just-this-time> how do I point /dev/modem to /dev/ttys0
[03:05] <TheInfinity> perhaps here also the question - how can i update the kernel without network access?
[03:06] <knubbe> knubbe: yes. i upgraded via repos quite recently.
[03:06] <knubbe> nosrednaekim: yes. i upgraded via repos quite recently.
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> ok, did you have the binary nvidia or binary ati drivers installed?
[03:07] <c0nv1ct> damnit, vmware workstation doesnt like my new kernel
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> !language | c0nv1ct
[03:08] <ubotu> c0nv1ct: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:08] <c0nv1ct> it wont build the kernel module
[03:08] <c0nv1ct> damnit is not profanity :)
[03:08] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: you will have to rerun the install/config script
[03:08] <c0nv1ct> according to the FCC atleast
[03:08] <knubbe> nosrednaekim: im not sure really. i did apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade, and noticed the kernel was being upgraded. but i didnt spot any nvidia/ati upgrades. im using a intel-chipset though (didnt note any upgrades for that one either)
[03:09] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: thats what i am doing, it fails to build the module, i get a few errors
[03:09] <Jucato> c0nv1ct: you also need to have the kernel headers and/or restricted modules for that specific kernel version
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> oh ok... if its an intel, no worry about binary drivers
[03:09] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: i got the headers, not sure about restricted modules though
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> do a glxinfo pls, and see if you have direct rendering
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> knubbe: do you have an nvidia or ati card in that computer?
[03:11] <knubbe> nosrednaekim: No, intel. (xorg.conf: Driver "i810")
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> knubbe: did you run "glxinfo"?
[03:13] <knubbe> nosrednaekim: yes, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10341/
[03:13] <mdtyke> I wonder will iTunes ever make a Linux version :(
[03:13] <fuel> mdtyke: i dont think they will :(
[03:13] <mdtyke> Silly Apple.. and I love them otherwise\
[03:14] <fuel> mdtyke: its not that they are silly , rather there are many reasons , first linux/ipod base is small , so they dont want to waste money maintaining linux version
[03:14] <fuel> second codec problems associated with linux
[03:14] <Yeason> I'm fiddling around with the new Herd 5 release and trying to get Beryl working but I get the error "The composite Manger has crashed twice within a minute..." and it wont start, anyone know what's up?
[03:17] <Jucato> Yeason: have you enabled the Composite extension in your xorg.conf
[03:17] <Yeason> I tried that and it broke X, I couldn't get back in at all
[03:17] <Yeason> I might have done it wrong tho
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> knubbe: ummm  don't do the grep just run glxinfo and look at the first 3-4 lines
[03:19] <fuel> Yeason: alt+f2 -> type kompmgr
[03:19] <Yeason> fuel: was something supposed to happen?
[03:19] <fuel> Yeason: :D
[03:20] <knubbe> nosrednaekim: this is the complete: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10343/
[03:21] <Yeason> Jucato: can you give me a link/copy of what's supposed to go in the conf file so I can make sure I set it up right
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> ok...you have direct rendering...
[03:25] <mdtyke> Silly question, but how do I receive a fax with Linux
[03:25] <Yeason> this might be a stupid question... do I need xgl installed for beryl to be happy?
[03:25] <mdtyke> nothing came up in Repo for Fax
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> Yeason: not if you have a Nvidia or Intell
[03:25] <Yeason> damn... that would've made it so much easier
[03:25] <mdtyke> oh actually nevermind.. for some reason my Adept lost all the lists
[03:25] <mdtyke> went from 20k to 1.2k lol
[03:27] <kishore> friends i am having issues with bluetooth pairing
[03:27] <kishore> always get the response that it failed!
[03:27] <kishore> can anyone help?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> kishore: try over at #ubuntu
[03:29] <kishore> i use kubuntu.. but ok ill check there
[03:29] <kishore> thanks
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> yeah, there are more people over there to help you
[03:29] <c0nv1ct> unless its a KDE specific issue, ubuntu will be a better source for support
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> I always ask for support here first tho... cause ubuntu  is SOOO busy
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:30] <kishore> looks to be so...
[03:31] <waylandbill> nosrednaekim: that's not the reason. You just like to talk to us. :-P
[03:31] <Yeason> I'm not sure if this is an improvement: I no longer get the crash message, but I still don't have the cube or anything
[03:32] <mdtyke> I found sort of what I was looking for.  Geany
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> ahh true... kde users are just so much more intelligent and nice..;)
[03:32] <fuel> kde rocks!
[03:32] <mdtyke> It's for Gnome though, but it works in KDE.  I just dont like those stupid Gnome file browser things lol
[03:32] <mdtyke> If I could find an equivalent to Geany that's KDE based, I'dbe a very happy man today
[03:32] <fuel> !geany
[03:33] <ubotu> geany: A fast and lightweight IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-1 (edgy), package size 1076 kB, installed size 3664 kB
[03:33] <Yeason> lol... *makes mental note* helps to choose beryl as your window manager
[03:33] <mdtyke> It's like Textpad
[03:33] <mdtyke> Just Gnome based =(
[03:34] <|GaiJin|> stupid question... I have gotten my hands on a AMD 64 prosessor, and a motherboard that fits it.... I want to be using linux, but I have experienced that spme things just ain't compatible with 64-bit... like the w32codecs, and opera... is it better to run i386 install or do I have to run amd64 install??
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> Yeason: ahhh yes...thatr...
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> you don't have to run 64 bit
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> w32 codecs are available for 64 bit however...
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> (at least in my experience)
[03:35] <|GaiJin|> thought you have to cdhroot or something
[03:35] <c0nv1ct> |GaiJin|: do you have a specific need to run a 64bit OS?
[03:35] <johannes> hola amigos
[03:35] <johannes> tengo una consulta
[03:35] <c0nv1ct> !es
[03:35] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:35] <johannes> no puedo instalar amsn en mi ordenador
[03:35] <|GaiJin|> c0nv1ct: no... not really....
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> johannes: adios!!
[03:36] <c0nv1ct> |GaiJin|: then i wouldn't run it, use a 32bit version
[03:36] <|GaiJin|> but if I have the system for it... why shouldn't??
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> |GaiJin|: cause it is a bit of a pain... but hey if you want to(like me) its very nice..
[03:37] <|GaiJin|> or to put it another way... why would anyone NEED to run a 64-bit system??
[03:37] <c0nv1ct> if they have more than 4gb of ram?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> |GaiJin|: good question.... small performace increase mostly
[03:37] <c0nv1ct> 64bit is mainly for accessing huge amounts of memory
[03:38] <|GaiJin|> k....
[03:38] <|GaiJin|> then... no I have no need for it t all...
[03:38] <mdtyke> !ga
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ga - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <mdtyke> :( NO Gaeilge
[03:39] <Uranboy> Hi! I've installed kubuntu 6.10 on ASUS A6M, but I can't install the NVIDIA driver. After NVIDIA installation the KDE collapsed every time. Can you help? Thanks! :)
[03:40] <mdtyke> hehe.. collapsed
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: did you install the nvidia drivers from the repositories?
[03:41] <Uranboy> Yes, I tried, but after restart it shows a big grey screen... and nothing else.
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> ahh.... can you kill the X server?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt+bkspce?
[03:42] <Uranboy> Ctrl+alt+backspace: black screenshot flashed, and gray again.
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt+f2 work?
[03:43] <Uranboy> ctrl+alt+F2: like the bckspace combo. :(
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> hmmm...it doesn't give you a text login windows?
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> *window
[03:44] <fuel> its ctrl+alt+shift+bksp
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> shift?
[03:44] <fuel> yes
[03:45] <Uranboy> Nothing
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> never heard that one...is it just for nvidias?
[03:45] <Jucato> ??
[03:45] <Uranboy> It's the 3. installation today, everything is ok, but the nvidia driver confused  my life.
[03:45] <fuel> Jucato: greetings!
[03:46] <Jucato> hi fuel!
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> fuel: what does ctrl+alt+shift+bkspce do?
[03:46] <Uranboy> With suse 10.2 nvidia works cool, there was another problems, so I changed to kubuntu.
[03:46] <fuel> nosrednaekim: kills x server
[03:46] <Uranboy> Nosrednaekim: nothing
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> fuel: permanantly?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: did you try ctrl+alt+space+bkspace?
[03:47] <fuel> nosrednaekim: permanently ? it kills your session and you end up with kdm or gdm
[03:47] <Jucato> fuel: Ctrl+Alt+**Shift**+Backspace?
[03:47] <Uranboy> nos: tried. nothing.
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. sorry... whoops/./
[03:48] <fuel> Jucato: yeah , i might be wrong as usual
[03:48] <wimpies> I want to add a printer but the 'add' wizard does not show my parallel port as a selectable option (only SMB and OTHER)
[03:48] <Uranboy> With shift also nothing. Do I install again?
[03:48] <Admiral_Chicago> fuel: no offense but Jucato is probably right
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> fuel: oh... thats what ctrl+alt+bakspce does too
[03:49] <Jucato> heh Admiral_Chicago I haven't said anything yet :D
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> but you are still probably right..lol
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> :-P
[03:49] <Jucato> :)
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: boot into recovery mode
[03:50] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Trying
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> Bye all, have to go..
[03:51] <Uranboy> Recovery mode: stopped at half.
[03:52] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: bye
[03:53] <Uranboy> May help, if I start the live CD?
[03:54] <fuel> Jucato: well that works though
[03:54] <fuel> :D
[03:57] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:02] <sound_fx> Does Knode work with newsgroups that I have to SSL into?
[04:05] <f00> hello people
[04:05] <sound_fx> hi
[04:06] <f00> I come from debian and I'm used to stable/testing/unstable releases. Is ubuntu using the same method?
[04:07] <xBill> i guess so
[04:07] <abattoir> !release | f00
[04:07] <ubotu> f00: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:09] <f00> so there's no "unstable release" in parallel with the official one, and with latest and unstable software releases
[04:09] <f00> I ask this because ubuntu speaks about "releases" everywhere, but never tells there is one single at any time
[04:10] <f00> while this way is popular among distros
[04:11] <enry> hi!
[04:13] <PhinnFort> how can i clean out old kernels?
[04:14] <PhinnFort> i tried to just "aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic", but it tried to remove my current headers
[04:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks , PC Mag , finally begrudgingly calls (K)Ubuntu a "good OS" ...heh  :)
[04:17] <BluesKaj> anyone here subscribe to Linux Journal ?
[04:19] <matthias> hi
[04:19] <matthias> i have a big problem
[04:19] <matthias> a really big problem
[04:19] <matthias> i cant update my kubuntu-desktop package
[04:20] <matthias> because cupsys cant get configured
[04:20] <matthias> and my second big problem is
[04:20] <pacman> Anyone know what the latest version of Java is that will work with Kubuntu
[04:20] <swanfl> 1.4.2
[04:20] <matthias> euhm
[04:20] <matthias> console-setup
[04:20] <matthias> cant configure either
[04:20] <swanfl> the others cause major problems with apps, including frostwire and firefox'
[04:21] <matthias> can i fix this
[04:21] <PhinnFort> console-setup won't work here either
[04:21] <PhinnFort>  /update
[04:21] <matthias> and x11-common?
[04:21] <PhinnFort> i think it works now
[04:21] <matthias> what works now?
[04:21] <PhinnFort> try to run "dpkg --configure -a"
[04:22] <PhinnFort> x11-common
[04:22] <PhinnFort> after I run dpkg --configure -a
[04:22] <PhinnFort> x11-common was buggy a couple of weeks ago
[04:24] <matthias> dpkg --configure -a
[04:24] <matthias> doesnt work
[04:24] <ville12w|oulu> hi
[04:24] <matthias> it just gives the same problems
[04:24] <matthias> when using adept
[04:24] <matthias> i hate this
[04:24] <PhinnFort> have you done "aptitude update"
[04:24] <PhinnFort> ?
[04:25] <matthias> no
[04:25] <PhinnFort> the x11-common package was fixed some time ago
[04:25] <PhinnFort> afaik
[04:25] <matthias> yeah
[04:25] <matthias> but what with console-setup?
[04:25] <matthias> and cupsys
[04:26] <PhinnFort> console-setup won't work here either
[04:26] <BluesKaj> anyone here subscribe to Linux Journal ?
[04:26] <PhinnFort> i think some script is failing
[04:26] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: if people don't answer, probably not
[04:27] <mdtyke> Hmm.. anyone know how I can get Java to compile in KDevelop?
[04:29] <miltos> hi ppl-:] 
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> 'lo
[04:29] <miltos> what program do you use for TV in Kubuntu?
[04:30] <PhinnFort> kdetv
[04:30] <PhinnFort> !kdetv
[04:30] <ubotu> kdetv: TV viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.9-1 (edgy), package size 1356 kB, installed size 5336 kB
[04:30] <miltos> PhinnFort, is there kdetv in repositories>
[04:30] <PhinnFort> !kdetv | miltos
[04:30] <ubotu> miltos: please see above
[04:34] <sound_fx> Is there a way to disable my touchpad when I have an external mouse plugged into my laptop?
[04:34] <Uranboy> Hello again! I reinstalled kubuntu. The scenario is: ASUS A6M notebook, fresh kubuntu 6.10, NVIDIA driver installation, and a beginner in linux.
[04:35] <Uranboy> Can you tell me a first dtep?
[04:35] <Uranboy> dtep= step. Sorry
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: did you install the nvidia drivers?
[04:35] <Uranboy> Not yet. kubuntu has default settings.
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> ok... do you do 3d gaming?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> yeah PhinnFort , I'm thinking about subscribing to Linux Journal. I'm a bit old fashioned I guess cuz i like reading a magazine article or 2 before going to sleep at night .  :)
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: Linux journal is awesom
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> for advanced users that is...
[04:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, glad to hear it
[04:37] <Uranboy> Yes, I like. And the generic driver scrolls the screen very slow.
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: when you installed the nvidia drivers last time, did you follow a tutorial?
[04:37] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: I buy an issue of LinuxFormat whenever I'm in a place they sell that kind of stuff
[04:38] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, I'm sure we plebes can learn a thing or 2 from it\
[04:38] <Uranboy> Yes, I did.
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: haha....... yeah
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> I don't really read it that much...my brother does(he;s more of the expert)
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: which one?
[04:39] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: The NVIDIA's tutorial.
[04:39] <mdtyke> Hey.  My laptop battery barely lasts in Kubuntu at all, compared to Windows.  I think its due to that CPU thing that laptops can do where they adjust according to need
[04:39] <mdtyke> Does anyone have any idea how I can set that up for Linux?
[04:39] <miltos> PhinnFonrt, can i record channels with kdetv?
[04:39] <waylandbill> If they sold those mag's in my local walmart, I'd buy one. :-)
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> mdtyke: what kinda processor do you have?
[04:40] <mdtyke> Celeron M I think
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> mdtyke: and frequency scaling isn't on by default?
[04:40] <BluesKaj> MS prolly used it's muscle with the mag distributers to refuse to stock it
[04:40] <mdtyke> Well, it was in Windows
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> what does the guidance powermanager say about CPU speed?
[04:40] <mdtyke> But I installed that KPowerSave tool (great) and it allowed me to set up the different settings for when I close the lid etc
[04:41] <mdtyke> But it then comes up that the speed is 100%.. constantly
[04:41] <mdtyke> and what is the guidance power manager?
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> mdtyke: ahh.... switch to frequency policy "powersave"
[04:41] <mdtyke> that default Power Manager?  If you're referring to that, it doesn't show anything about the CPU
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> thats the default kubuntu power manager (in edgy)
[04:42] <mdtyke> just mains powered brightness,  battery powered brightness, and what to do when I close the lid
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> right... you're in dapper?
[04:42] <mdtyke> but no matter what I change in that thing, it doesn't work anyway
[04:42] <mdtyke> Edgy
[04:42] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: I'm ready for install. Which driver should I download from nvidia.com?
[04:43] <mdtyke> the KPowerSave shows my CPU, etc
[04:43] <mdtyke> and yea, with my scheme at Powersave, it still shows 100%
[04:43] <WannabeNewbi1> Can anyone tell me why I have 4 different kernel versions on my computer? I always have to select one of them to get Ubuntu/Kubuntu to start
[04:43] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: none of them..
[04:43] <nosrednaekim> get the one thats in adept
[04:43] <mdtyke> I have two showing too Wannabe, no idea why.  I guess it must have did an update
[04:43] <waylandbill> mdtyke: the power manager shows my cpu speed here.
[04:43] <mdtyke> Mine doesnt... I take it something isn't enabled right
[04:43] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: OK. Where can I find the correct driver?
[04:44] <waylandbill> mdtyke: maybe requires stepping cpu
[04:44] <BluesKaj> mdtyke, the other kernels are the previous versions
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: start up adept, and search for nvidia
[04:44] <mdtyke> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/powermanager.png - I see it like that
[04:44] <mdtyke> not from me, just googled that.. except it says Power Manager at the top, not Guidance Power Manager
[04:44] <mdtyke> my CPU is one of those I'm assuming, waylandbill
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> mdtyke: float your mouse over the icon
[04:45] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Done. Find 4 items.
[04:45] <mdtyke> It used to last over 2.5hours on Windows.. in Linux I'd be lucky to get 50mins
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> install nvidia-glx
[04:45] <mdtyke> I just closed it, one sec
[04:45] <waylandbill> yours doesn't look anything like the one in my tray
[04:45] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Nothing else?
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> just a sec...
[04:45] <mdtyke> So strange
[04:45] <WannabeNewbi1> How do I remove a kernel? I have four of them showing up on startup and am forced to choose one or the other. It is getting annoying trying to decide which is to be used and which isn't
[04:45] <mdtyke> Maybe it didn't install right?
[04:46] <mdtyke> Lemme see what yours looks like, wayland
[04:46] <waylandbill> yours is guidance. Mine just says 'power manager'.
[04:46] <ziz0u> hello all
[04:46] <mdtyke> Mine doesn't say Guidance
[04:46] <waylandbill> ok one sec
[04:46] <mdtyke> [15:44]  <mdtyke> not from me, just googled that.. except it says Power Manager at the top, not Guidance Power Manager
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: yeah...just install that
[04:46] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: OK. Installing...
[04:47] <BluesKaj> WannabeNewbi1, usually the latest Kernel is at the top of the bootmenu and it should be the default one .
[04:47] <mdtyke> I can see the CPU speed with KPowerSave anyway.. the Power Manager was useless for me; its settings didn't make a different
[04:47] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Done.
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ah yes... after you are done there, also install nvidia-xconfig
[04:47] <WannabeNewbi1> BluesKaj: how do I remove the others? or should I just leave them be
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: actually,no thats not neccesary...NM
[04:48] <BluesKaj> just leave them be , i have 4 as well, they could be regarded as backups :)
[04:48] <WannabeNewbi1> BluesKaj: Ok thanks! wasn't sure if it was overkill or not
[04:48] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: There is no nvidia-xconfig, just nvidia-glx-dev and nvidia-settings.
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> ok then...NM...
[04:49] <yap> hi
[04:49] <BluesKaj> genii, what do you think of having 4 kernels in the bootmenu. ?
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> ok Uranboy... execute this command " sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:49] <yap> cool man !
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> or rather "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:50] <genii> BluesKaj I generally just keep the 2 ... regular and safe of what I'm running
[04:50] <waylandbill> mdtyke: http://silverbaseball.com/capture.png
[04:50] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: failed to open device. :(
[04:50] <genii> BluesKaj For a while after a kernel upgrade i'll keep the old one just in case
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> do my second command... sorry
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:50] <mdtyke> Nope.. dont get that
[04:51] <mdtyke> Any ideas what's wrong? I'm assuming it's just some kind of configuration
[04:51] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: The text is appears in Kate
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> ok, find where it mentions "nv" in that file, should be under "device"
[04:52] <waylandbill> mdtyke: that's the one that I got from a clean edgy install. maybe that's the difference?
[04:52] <mdtyke> Well I'd question that too, but I did a clean install :P
[04:52] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Shall I run kdesu now, or the text is enough?
[04:53] <nosrednaekim> the text is enough... find where it says "nv" in there
[04:53] <mdtyke> It's possible I have to re-enable it in the BIOS or something.  I'll take a look later
[04:53] <Pupeno4> How do I find out what version of Kubuntu I am running?
[04:53] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: There is no nv
[04:53] <mdtyke> but I'm pretty sure its a setting in Kubuntu
[04:53] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: pastebin the text...
[04:54] <nosrednaekim> !version
[04:54] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[04:54] <Pupeno4> nosrednaekim: thanks.
[04:54] <mdtyke> Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy here :)
[04:55] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: OK, wait a sec. I'm writeing on my PC, and the patient is my friend's notebook.
[04:55] <mdtyke> wayland:  Do I see AIM on your screen?
[04:55] <nosrednaekim> ahhh.... I see
[04:55] <Pupeno4> !upgrade
[04:55] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:56] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: well..try again to find a referense to wither "nv" or "vesa" in that file
[04:57] <nosrednaekim> should be under "section device"
[04:57] <kRush> anyone got experience with running a kubuntu installation on a separate partiton in a vm under winxp? what (free) software would be good for that?
[04:57] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: vesa found. It say's: Generic video card, BUS ID PCI:0:5:0
[04:57] <Jucato> vmware server is free (as in beer)
[04:58] <mdtyke> Slightly related, but has anyone used VirtualPC for OSX
[04:58] <mdtyke> where you can boot up Windows to do stuff if you need to.  Can I do something similar in Linux, to my Vista partition?
[04:58] <nosrednaekim> ok, change "vesa" "nv" for now
[04:59] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: that will NOT use the proprietary nvidia driver, but instead use the open source one, if that works fine, well try using the proprietary one
[04:59] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Changed and saved. Next step?
[05:00] <nosrednaekim> exit KDe, and then ctrl+alt+ backspce
[05:00] <nosrednaekim> which will restart X
[05:00] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Not a problem, I live the correct-working-drivers. :D
[05:01] <Fabio_1> ola
[05:01] <nosrednaekim> hello
[05:01] <Fabio_1> im newbee
[05:01] <Fabio_1> and i cant install programs in ubuntu 6.10
[05:01] <Uranboy> Hello!
[05:01] <Fabio_1> i dunno how can istall it
[05:01] <fuel> !ask | Fabio_1
[05:01] <ubotu> Fabio_1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:01] <Fabio_1> i onli use windoes is mi fist ubuntu
[05:02] <fuel> ok ok continue.......
[05:02] <nosrednaekim> which program do you want to install?
[05:02] <Fabio_1> a file *.tar.gz
[05:02] <Fabio_1> is amsn and xmms
[05:03] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Megathanks! It seems to works. :D
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: better refresh rates (not jerky?)
[05:03] <Daisuke_Ido> why not just install them from the repo?
[05:03] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Yes, yes!
[05:04] <Fabio_1> i dunno how
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: so you need 3d acceleration on that computer?
[05:04] <Fabio_1> i onli use windows is mi first ubuntu
[05:04] <Dr_willis> xmms and amsn are both in th repositories
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[05:04] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> Use the 'add/remove' programs menu entry? :)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !info xmms
[05:04] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20060429-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1085 kB, installed size 7248 kB
[05:04] <Fabio_1> okei
[05:04] <Dr_willis> info amsn
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !info amsn
[05:04] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[05:04] <c0nv1ct> amarok >
[05:05] <Dr_willis> instead of xmms you may want to try some other players. xmms is getting old and has  bugs and a few other issues now a days
[05:05] <Dr_willis> !info amarok
[05:05] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[05:05] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: If it posible, yes. Oh, and where is the resolution-settings?
[05:05] <mdtyke> I personally prefer KMess to aMSN
[05:05] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[05:05] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:05] <Fabio_1> thx i found amsn
[05:05] <Fabio_1> :D
[05:05] <c0nv1ct> you dont like Kopete?
[05:05] <fuel> I wish (k)ubuntu has better resolution support
[05:06] <Dr_willis> fuel,   my supports my res's fully
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy:  ahh.... its showing 1024x768 instead of 1280x800?
[05:06] <fuel> i used suse, and resolution changing was a child's play
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> oh resolution changing... yes...suse is good at that
[05:06] <Dr_willis> i tried suse and hated their tweaks..  :) fuel  you have installed the nvidia/or ati/ or whatever drivers allready?
[05:06] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Yes, and seeems to 16-bit-color or lower.
[05:07] <fuel> i dont know whether its the problem with the debian principle or something else
[05:07] <Dr_willis> to get the nvidia cards i got to use their proper res's - i had to install the nvidia drivers first
[05:07] <mdtyke> I tried SuSE and nothing would work
[05:07] <fuel> mdtyke: you are wrong as hell!
[05:07] <mdtyke> about?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> fuel,  part of the problem is the dang video card makers not letting disrtos include the drivers.
[05:07] <c0nv1ct> SuSE is actually really good at detecting hardware
[05:07] <mdtyke> Im talking about my own experience with it
[05:07] <mdtyke> It wouldnt detect my Wireless card
[05:07] <mdtyke> and therefore I coldnt get online to well.. fix anything else
[05:07] <mdtyke> was a disaster
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: then you'll have to use the proprietary nvidia drivers...
[05:08] <c0nv1ct> wireless support is still pretty young in linux mdtyke
[05:08] <Dr_willis> given the state of linux say... 5 years - all disrtos are much much much improved in their hardware detection.
[05:08] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: And It cannot use the OpenGL.
[05:08] <fuel> Dr_willis: what does kubuntu use ? (xfree or something else) ?
[05:08] <c0nv1ct> fuel xorg
[05:08] <Dr_willis> fuel,  it uses xorg - same as about every othe rdisrto out.
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> go back to where you changed from vesa to nv and change it again to "nvidia"
[05:08] <fuel> debian uses xorg free right ?
[05:08] <Dr_willis> its all about the 'x configuration scripts' and other little settings in the end. it always seems to be
[05:09] <Dr_willis> its amazing the differences ive seen in the xorg.conf file on identical system - with different disrtos
[05:09] <c0nv1ct> SuSE is nice, i'm glad novell picked them up
[05:09] <mdtyke> It worked first time in Kubuntu.. :)
[05:09] <c0nv1ct> Debian is of course my favorate :)
[05:09] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: OK.
[05:09] <Fabio_1> mdtyke write iwlist scanning in monitor and see if u got conecction
[05:09] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu was the first disrto ive had that actually got my laptops res's right.
[05:09] <mdtyke> It just wouldnt detect the card
[05:10] <fuel> suse works like a charm . i switched over since ,10.1 was very unstable and they were including more gnome elements
[05:10] <fuel> damn novel! trying to change the philosophy behind suse x(
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> !language |fuel
[05:10] <ubotu> fuel: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:10] <fuel> !nonsense | nosrednaekim
[05:10] <c0nv1ct> dude, nosrednaekim, damn is not a bad word
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nonsense - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> I know... but is it or is it not family freindly?
[05:11] <fuel> nosrednaekim: dude... dont make me laugh
[05:11] <c0nv1ct> nosrednaekim: it can be said on network television, so, yes, its family friendly
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> k then...
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> just checkin...
[05:11] <c0nv1ct> should check to see if its in George Carlin's list
[05:12] <fyrmedic> Where do I find what /dev or /media files my usb ports are at?
[05:12] <fuel> nosrednaekim: damn is just a word to express your frustation . nothing more
[05:12] <dromer> damnit, now my twinview is broke again :/
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> fuel: ok ok.... I won't call !lanuage on you anymore
[05:12] <fuel> so dont bloat up such a stupid thing
[05:12] <shadowhywind> 'daisuke_Ido are you here by anychance?
[05:13] <mdtyke> I was impressed yesterday, when a mate of mine plugged in his Wireless laser mouse, and it came up in my Kubuntu straight away!
[05:13] <mdtyke> Even showed the battery life etc
[05:13] <Dr_willis> it showed the battery life on the mouse?
[05:13] <mdtyke> Yea
[05:13] <fuel> kubuntu is a very nice distro and i am addicted to it :D
[05:13] <Dr_willis> what showed that? heh heh...
[05:13] <mdtyke> And I'd never plugged it near my laptop before
[05:13] <mdtyke> System Settings>Mouse
[05:14] <Dr_willis> amusing.
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: whats the default port for Ktorrent
[05:14] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim:  Oh-oh... grey screen again... :(
[05:14] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: 6881 here
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, may be in the Ktorrent docs that richard just did...
[05:14] <fuel> Jucato: ktorrent is very strict about ratios :(
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: uhhhggg.... anybody know what causes those nvidia grey screens?
[05:14] <CShadowRun> .kth files are some kind of theme, right? how do i load .kth files?
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> ty Jucato
[05:15] <c0nv1ct> fuel: huh? how so
[05:15] <Jucato> fuel: it is? I haven't experienced that since version 1.something
[05:15] <Dr_willis> CShadowRun,  could open the themes control center - and drag them over perhaps. or try double clicking on them?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> ive never noticed any ktorrent issues like that either.
[05:16] <fuel> Jucato: i dont know , i have a down/up 2Mb/100kb and ktorrent just stops most of the time
[05:16] <CShadowRun> lol, double click
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ok, well, boot into recovery mode and change that back to "nv"
[05:16] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, you running feisty yet Jucato?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> ktorrent seems to be more 'accurate' in its speeds/upload/downloads.. the other programs seem to 'average it over a longer time'
[05:16] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: just finished dist-upgrading this second!
[05:16] <Admiral_Chicago> nice
[05:17] <Jucato> er wait... not yet finished totally... just finished downloading/installing (using the dist-upgrade tool)
[05:17] <c0nv1ct> fuel: do you limit your upstream to account for TCP ACK?
[05:17] <Admiral_Chicago> seems I have an error on my ethernet card, maybe updating it will work. i should hang out in #ubuntu+1 now
[05:17] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Same problem: booting stopped at a half in recovery mode. No error messages.
[05:18] <fuel> c0nv1ct: my service provider is like that , if i try increasing upload speed more than 20KB/s , the download speed reduces to 15KB/s x(
[05:18] <BluesKaj> what are the commands for editing the boot menu ?
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ok... then lets try something.... boot into the liveCD(but don't reinstall)
[05:18] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: As you wish! :)
[05:18] <PhinnFort> is any devs aware of the problem with console-setup?
[05:18] <fuel> anyway torrents dont give me much of a speed ......mostly 70-90 :(
[05:18] <c0nv1ct> fuel: thats how they all are, its because of TCP ACKs, with only a 100kbit upstream, you have to set it really low to get good download speeds
[05:19] <fuel> oh!
[05:19] <c0nv1ct> fuel: the norm is to set your limit to 80% of your max upstream
[05:19] <fuel> the problem is bit torrent protocol does not work that way !
[05:19] <c0nv1ct> fuel: huh?
[05:19] <jhutchins> I know people who frequently max out a 10M Cable link with torrents.
[05:20] <jhutchins> I've never seen any decent speed myself, but I tend to torrent fairly obscure stuff.
[05:20] <c0nv1ct> fuel: with 100kbit upstream, you will have to set your upload limit to 8kb or less to get decent download speeds
[05:20] <fuel> c0nv1ct: what i meant to say is that , i dont get downloads speeds with torrent upto the max capacity.
[05:20] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: I've maxed out a 30MB up/down link with torrents
[05:20] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: More infos: the live CD needs acpi=off novga to run.
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ok
[05:20] <fuel> c0nv1ct: bit torrent is tit for tat protocol , so when i keep the upload to such a speed , i barely get downloads at 50 :(
[05:21] <c0nv1ct> fuel: yeah, because when you dont throttle your upstream properly
[05:21] <PhinnFort> fuel: how many upload slots do you have set?
[05:21] <Dr_willis>  "We free software fans are a fussy crowd, and very hard to please. "   -  Mark Shuttleworth
[05:21] <fuel> total upload =15 KB/s . thats it
[05:21] <PhinnFort> remember upload to one peer = mac up speed / slots
[05:21] <BayRoot> PhinnFort: you mean 30Mb  => mega bit  (not byte)
[05:21] <BayRoot> oh gees
[05:21] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: I read that...;)
[05:21] <PhinnFort> BayRoot: 30 megabyte in 1 second
[05:22] <PhinnFort> *max
[05:22] <BayRoot> lol
[05:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:22] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Done!
[05:22] <c0nv1ct> fuel: if you really have 100kb upload, then your absolute max is 12.5
[05:22] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: now, which partiton is Kubuntu on?
[05:22] <fuel> c0nv1ct: ok ! :)
[05:22] <Dr_willis> im lucky to get 5k/s download speeds on my torrents.. :)
[05:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:22] <Dr_willis> but i download really odd stuff.
[05:22] <fuel> Dr_willis:  ;)
[05:22] <Dr_willis> from like 2 seeders
[05:23] <PhinnFort> well, I get ~30kb/s, on a 200kb/s link, when I can't even connect to the tracker
[05:23] <c0nv1ct> fuel: set it to 8kb or 10, then your downloads will go faster
[05:23] <PhinnFort> ktorrent pwns;)
[05:23] <c0nv1ct> fuel: and BT isnt necessarily 'tit for tat'
[05:23] <BayRoot> my opinion on torrents is that there just aren't enough people running torrent after their download is finished
[05:23] <BayRoot> selfish
[05:23] <PhinnFort> fuel: how many upload slots have you set
[05:23] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Dunno. Default partition, as the installer suggested. Virgin winchester, no other opsystems.
[05:23] <fuel> c0nv1ct: believe me, i implemented a bit torrent client,
[05:23] <fuel> and thats how the clients work .
[05:24] <c0nv1ct> fuel: i've been using BT for years, thats not it
[05:24] <PhinnFort> c0nv1ct: that's how it's supposed to work
[05:24] <fuel> they sort the clients based on their share ratio.
[05:24] <Dr_willis> NetXen, a maker of hardware-accelerated 10GbE (10-Gigabit Ethernet) LAN cards, has just introduced a set of software drivers for Linux systems.
[05:24] <c0nv1ct> it prioritizes people who upload faster, but its not 'tit for tat'
[05:24] <Dr_willis> Wee! - ugh.. how fast is 10Gbe?
[05:24] <coreymon77_> i just use ktorrent
[05:24] <fuel> and priority is given to those clients who have the best upload/download ratio
[05:24] <BluesKaj> no matter what dsl or cable speed one has the nodes and source pipes are what determines the speed
[05:24] <c0nv1ct> i can upload at 10kb/sec and still get 500+ kb/sec downloads
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: do a "sudo fdisk /dev/hda"
[05:24] <PhinnFort> fuel: what client you using now?
[05:24] <coreymon77_> what client is this?
[05:24] <fuel> c0nv1ct: it depends on the swarm also.
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> and then "p", and see which partiton is "linux"
[05:25] <c0nv1ct> fuel: it depends on the seeds mainly
[05:25] <BayRoot> i need to p, aswell
[05:25] <coreymon77_> of course
[05:25] <fuel> PhinnFort: i tried using my own client (which did not work ) . i use azureus most of the time
[05:25] <PhinnFort> fuel: try using KTorrent
[05:25] <PhinnFort> the latest dev version
[05:25] <coreymon77_> thats what i use
[05:25] <c0nv1ct> your speed is all about the seed/distributed copies to peer ratio
[05:25] <PhinnFort> it's well past azureus, imhop
[05:25] <fuel> ok will do that
[05:25] <coreymon77_> obvously
[05:25] <fuel> they are talking about integrating kget and ktorrent .
[05:26] <PhinnFort> that would be cool
[05:26] <coreymon77_> more seeds=faster
[05:26] <fuel> one of the main feature requests on bugs.kde.org
[05:26] <coreymon77_> thats the basic principle of bt
[05:26] <PhinnFort> but they should rather get ktorrent into a lib first
[05:26] <PhinnFort> and a frontend
[05:26] <c0nv1ct> not always, 1000 seeds going at 1kb a sec is no faster than 1 seed going 1000kb/sec
[05:27] <coreymon77_> well
[05:27] <coreymon77_> thats not gonna happen very often now is it?
[05:27] <coreymon77_> usually
[05:27] <coreymon77_> more seeds generally means faster
[05:27] <PhinnFort> fuel: what arch you on (amd64/i386)?
[05:27] <fuel> i386
[05:27] <c0nv1ct> well yeah, i've downloaded something with only 1 seed and 10 peers, and still got 500kb/sec
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: are you with me?
[05:28] <c0nv1ct> while something with 500 seeds and 10 peers only gives me 50k/sec
[05:28] <PhinnFort> fuel: then you should get the svn .debs from ktorrent.org
[05:28] <coreymon77_> c0nv1ct: im not saying that doesnt happen
[05:28] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: there is no partitions. Is it possible?
[05:28] <coreymon77_> c0nv1ct: im just saying that most of the time, more seeds means faster
[05:28] <coreymon77_> c0nv1ct: if you only have 1 seed but its really fast, thats great too
[05:28] <PhinnFort> c0nv1ct: 10 seeds with 100kb/s > 2 seeds with 100kb/s
[05:29] <PhinnFort> :D
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: was that an error message, or is that what it said when you did "p"
[05:29] <c0nv1ct> depends on the upload slot settings on the seeder clients :P
[05:29] <coreymon77_> PhinnFort: exactly what im trying to say
[05:29] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Can I use sudo correctly? Didn't ask the password
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. in the livecd thats what happens
[05:29] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: No error messages
[05:29] <coreymon77_> c0nv1ct: do you always have to complicate things
[05:29] <PhinnFort> c0nv1ct: it even depends on dropped packets, but that's not the point
[05:29] <c0nv1ct> only when someone is oversimplifying something :P
[05:29] <PhinnFort> a thumb-rule is, more seeds, better speed
[05:30] <coreymon77_> c0nv1ct: exactly, thats not the point
[05:30] <c0nv1ct> dropped packets is TCP/IP issues, and is always a problem, we are talking about BT protocol
[05:30] <coreymon77_> c0nv1ct: all im saying is that genereally, in a normal sistuation, the basic rule is more seeds=faster speeds
[05:30] <PhinnFort> c0nv1ct: simplifying and oversimplifying is not the same
[05:30] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: is that what it said when you did "p"?
[05:30] <c0nv1ct> well, calling BT 'tit for tat' is oversimplifying
[05:30] <c0nv1ct> its not that simple
[05:31] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:31] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:31] <PhinnFort> c0nv1ct: no, it's simplifying, because in the beginning it was that, and that's probably what you end up with
[05:31] <c0nv1ct> Jucato: Ktorrent is apart of Kubuntu
[05:31] <c0nv1ct> so we are on topic
[05:31] <PhinnFort> D:
[05:31] <PhinnFort> :D
[05:31] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: 225 heads, 63 sectors/track, 22 cylinders Next row: Device Boot, Start, End, Blocks, ID, System, end thats all.
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> hmmm....
[05:32] <BluesKaj> c0nv1ct PhinnFort , you guys aren't helping each other , either :P
[05:32] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: and lot of bytes freee space, of course.
[05:32] <c0nv1ct> BluesKaj: whos trying to help? :P
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: this is a laptop right? so there is only one HD right?
[05:33] <c0nv1ct> BluesKaj: i'm trying to explain, not help
[05:33] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: It works yesterday with opensuse 10.2 almost cool, but I cannot drive a Huawei mobile card. So I have to change.
[05:34] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: It's a brand new laptop.
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ahh.... so it could have a serial ATA HD?
[05:35] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: May be. Problem for kubuntu?
[05:35] <nosrednaekim> no, but try this " sudo fdisk /dev/sda"
[05:35] <nosrednaekim> and then "p"
[05:35] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: But it works while I start to install NVIDIA
[05:36] <dromer> hi, I finally got twinview working, but I can't make, for example, vlc go fullscreen on the tv, when I move the vlc-window and fullscreen it. it goes back to the CRT
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: yeah...I know I'm trying to fix it so you can just use the Open source driver
[05:36] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: unable to open sda
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> ok... so you have a PATA drive..ok
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: is there windows on it?
[05:38] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: No, just kubuntu (if you speak about MS).
[05:38] <yoopernate> can anyone give me a hand, i'm having trouble installing kubuntu on my insparon 1501
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ok, then do this "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[05:39] <yoopernate> the installer doesn't see the hdd there at all.  but gdntoo based systems will...anyone have any ideas?
[05:40] <enry> goodbye!
[05:40] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Surprise! Only root can do that
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> right... sorry... put a sudo there
[05:41] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: sudo cannot works. No password, no rights.
[05:41] <smurphy_> yoopernate: Seems gentoo has a never kernel. Which version of ubuntu are u installing ?
[05:41] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Eh no password required.
[05:41] <dromer> how can I "force" vlc to go only to the tv-monitor of my twinview-setup when in fullscreen? because now it always goes back to the crt
[05:42] <nosrednaekim> what? do a "sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[05:43] <yoopernate> has anyone ever had the installer not see a hard drive?
[05:43] <dromer> no
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> nope
[05:43] <yoopernate> kubuntu won't see it, but gentoo based distros do
[05:44] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Sorry. failed. So it shows a lot of options.
[05:44] <yoopernate> any ideas?
[05:44] <djdarkman> hy ,how can I downgrade a package?
[05:44] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: is this in a livecd
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy:
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> yes
[05:44] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: that you want to mount the thing
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[05:44] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: okay, so you want to mount something in a livecd correct?
[05:44] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: lets do it
[05:45] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: okay, i know exactly hwo to do that, its not the normal way though
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure why its not seeing your partition...
[05:45] <coreymon77> okay
[05:45] <coreymon77> tell me the rpoblem
[05:45] <coreymon77> i was just in this situation so
[05:45] <coreymon77> i know what to do
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy is the one with the problem
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> I was trying to helphim
[05:45] <coreymon77> Uranboy: whats the matter
[05:46] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: mounting in a livecd is not the same as normal
[05:46] <nosrednaekim> he needs to mount his kubuntu partition
[05:46] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: okay, and whats the matter
[05:46] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: wont work>
[05:46] <coreymon77> ?
[05:46] <nosrednaekim> fdisk doesn't show any partitions..
[05:46] <coreymon77> okay
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> so I tried blindly mount hda1, which didn't work..
[05:47] <coreymon77> somehow i have a feeling that the partition may be lvm
[05:47] <coreymon77> and also
[05:47] <zipper_> In this guide ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AsusA6Rp?highlight=%28asus%29%7C%28a6r%29 ) it tells me to patch a source before compiling it. How is that done?
[05:47] <coreymon77> there is a way that you have to mount in a livecd
[05:47] <Uranboy> coreymon77: ASUS A6M laptop, Nvidia card, after kubuntu installation it works, but if i try to install nvidia driver, full death.
[05:47] <coreymon77> and what did this have to do with a partition not mounting?
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> I was going to replace "nvidia" in the xorg with "nv"
[05:48] <corey_> is it possible to change the abount of time you get at the boot loader before it automatically chooses an OS
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> which had worked b4
[05:48] <coreymon77> whose having the mounting problems
[05:48] <Sanne> corey_: yes, I can show you
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> corey_yes
[05:48] <iarwain> corey_, no problem, change the "timeout" in your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy:
[05:48] <Uranboy> Yes?
[05:49] <coreymon77> Uranboy: you are having mounting problems right?
[05:49] <Sanne> corey_: or just listen to iarwain ;) (make a backup of the file first)
[05:49] <corey_> pk :D  Thankx
[05:49] <corey_> **ok
[05:49] <coreymon77> Uranboy: are you the one with the mounting problems?
[05:49] <nosrednaekim> yes ... he is
[05:50] <Uranboy> I'm new in linux, changed from suse 10.2 today. With suse it works almost nice, but with kubuntu... ehh... :(
[05:50] <iarwain> =)
[05:50] <coreymon77> Uranboy: okay then, are you trying to mount a partition in a live cd?
[05:51] <Uranboy> coreymon77: I think, yes.
[05:51] <coreymon77> Uranboy: okay, so are you running off of the livecd now?
[05:51] <Uranboy> coreymon77: yes
[05:51] <coreymon77> Uranboy: okay, so what happens when you try to mount your partition?
[05:51] <coreymon77> Uranboy: what error message?
[05:52] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: he can't even see his partition...(in fdisk)
[05:52] <Uranboy> coreymon77: I can't see the hda1 partitions
[05:52] <coreymon77> Uranboy: okay
[05:53] <coreymon77> Uranboy: i think they may be lvm
[05:53] <Uranboy> coreymon77: What is lvm?
[05:53] <nosrednaekim> but Kubuntu can't install to lvm...
[05:53] <nosrednaekim> can it?(whithout the alternate cd)
[05:53] <gunita__> hi
[05:53] <nosrednaekim> hi
[05:53] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: i know that, the partition itself is ext3
[05:53] <Uranboy> hi!
[05:53] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: or 2 or w/e
[05:54] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: but the partitions are grouped as lvm
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> ahh..Ic
[05:54] <Uranboy> No, its ext3. I remember that
[05:54] <gunita__> hey can any1 tell me how can i create an account throught Terminal?
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah... "adduser"
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> or rather " adduser <username>
[05:54] <gunita__> ok
[05:55] <gunita__> do i have to be root?
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> yes
[05:55] <coreymon77> Uranboy: i know that, so are mine
[05:55] <coreymon77> Uranboy: but they are also lvm
[05:55] <gunita__> can i do it if im not root?
[05:55] <coreymon77> Uranboy: its hard to explain
[05:55] <coreymon77> Uranboy: but kubuntu does it by default
[05:55] <dani_> KDE4 it will be faster?
[05:55] <gunita__> can i do it if im not root?
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> gunita__: no
[05:56] <gunita__> shit
[05:56] <Uranboy> coreymon77: The first problem was the nvidia install.
[05:56] <ikonia_> language !
[05:56] <gunita__> ok but tnx anyway
[05:56] <gunita__> ok ok i whatch my mouth
[05:56] <Uranboy> coreymon77: before nvidia driver everything was nice
[05:56] <coreymon77> Uranboy: that i dont know
[05:57] <coreymon77> Uranboy: but lets see if you can get to your partitions this way
[05:57] <Uranboy> coreymon77: OK
[05:57] <Uranboy> coreymon77: what shall I do?
[05:58] <Uranboy> coreymon77: I reinstalled this laptop 4 times today. 1 more is not a problem.
[05:59] <coreymon77> no, you shoulnt have to
[05:59] <coreymon77> found it
[05:59] <Uranboy> coreymon77: OK, you are the expert, I'm just learning the linux-style. :)
[05:59] <coreymon77> Uranboy: so you are running the live cd right?
[06:00] <Uranboy> coreymon77:yes, yes.
[06:00] <dell190> Thanix for ya help peeps
[06:00] <coreymon77> Uranboy: okay, first check on apt to see if you have lvm installed
[06:00] <coreymon77> Uranboy: try this
[06:00] <coreymon77> Uranboy: sudo apt-get install lvm-common
[06:01] <coreymon77> Uranboy: was it installed?
[06:01] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77 sure its not easier to just reinstall?he doesn't have any important information...
[06:01] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: this is simple
[06:01] <Uranboy> coreymon77: working
[06:01] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: thsi is to check that its not the drives fault
[06:01] <coreymon77> Uranboy: so you have it installed already?
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: yeah.. good ide
[06:02] <coreymon77> Uranboy: was lvm-common installed?
[06:02] <Uranboy> coreymon77: It's a brand new laptop and a reinstall a clear situation. Why not?
[06:02] <coreymon77> Uranboy: we should check
[06:03] <Uranboy> coreymon77: Yes, finished
[06:03] <coreymon77> Uranboy: oaky
[06:03] <dromer> hi, when I fullscreen vlc on my tv it goes to the other screen, how can I prevent this?
[06:03] <coreymon77> Uranboy: also do sudo apt-get install lvm2
[06:03] <dromer> I don't have it with other players :#
[06:03] <coreymon77> Uranboy: is that installed already?
[06:03] <Uranboy> coreymon77: finished
[06:03] <coreymon77> Uranboy: okay
[06:03] <coreymon77> now
[06:03] <coreymon77> type this
[06:04] <coreymon77> sudo mkdir /mnt/temp
[06:05] <Uranboy> coreymon77: ok
[06:05] <Uranboy> coreymon77: nEXT?
[06:05] <coreymon77> Uranboy: now open konqueror and go to the /dev/mapper directory
[06:06] <coreymon77> and tell me if there is anything there
[06:06] <Uranboy> coreymon77: /dev/mapper does not exist.
[06:07] <coreymon77> it doesnt
[06:07] <coreymon77> ?
[06:07] <Uranboy> coreymon77:  I have /dev of course
[06:07] <coreymon77> what folders are in dev
[06:08] <Uranboy> coreymon77: bus, disk, fd, input, net, pts, shm, snd
[06:08] <Uranboy> coreymon77: fd has a little arrow
[06:09] <coreymon77> okay
[06:09] <coreymon77> apparently its not lvm right nwo
[06:09] <dell190> is it possible to get a virus in Linux.. do i need a virus scanner installed?
[06:09] <coreymon77> Uranboy: try mounting hda1 to the /mnt/temp folder
[06:10] <coreymon77> dell190: no, the only reasons for linux virus scanners is if you are on a network with many windoze computers
[06:10] <Uranboy> coreymon77:  How can I do? s
[06:11] <coreymon77> dell190: because the viruses dont affect/exist for linux, but doze computers are dumb enough to get themselves infected by what you have on your computer
[06:12] <coreymon77> Uranboy: type sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp
[06:12] <coreymon77> hda1 is your kubuntu partition right?
[06:12] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77 we aren't sure...
[06:12] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: does he have more than one partition
[06:12] <coreymon77> ?
[06:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: i mean, does he have more than one hard drive?
[06:13] <Uranboy> coreymon77:  Ehh.. hda1 doesn't exist
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> I don't know... fdisk showed NO partitions
[06:13] <dell190> Ok, Thats awesome
[06:13] <coreymon77> that could be a problem
[06:13] <Uranboy> coreymon77:  Reinstall? :D
[06:13] <coreymon77> Uranboy: dunno
[06:13] <coreymon77> Uranboy: if you want to
[06:13] <coreymon77> Uranboy: im out of ideas now
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: could you do something for me? do a "lspci | grep VGA"
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> and tell me what that line says
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> make sure you do VGA in caps
[06:14] <Uranboy> coreymon77:  Not a problem, just 10 minutes. 4 or 5 times a day, its equal
[06:15] <james__> I.m really a newie to lnux so if thise doesn't work them I am really messed up
[06:15] <coreymon77> Uranboy: sorry i couldnt be of more help
[06:15] <coreymon77> Uranboy: dont give up on linux though
[06:15] <cotyrothery> hey everone
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> hello
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> james__: whats the problem?
[06:15] <Uranboy> Hi!
[06:16] <cotyrothery> hello
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: did you run that command?
[06:16] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: yes
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> what did it return?
[06:17] <james__> can't get the scrabble game to dowload  it shows it is but can;t find it anywhere did a search and nothing
[06:17] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Nvidia corporation c51 pci express bridge rev a2
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> ok... good... just mking for sure you actually had an nvidia
[06:18] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Thanks. Without communication. :)
[06:18] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: good idea, that would be a good reason for it not working
[06:19] <Uranboy> coreymon77: Dont worry about me, after 10 years MS I have enough power to solve the problems... :D
[06:19] <nosrednaekim> well anyway... reinstall change the driver to "nv" and forget about the proprietary nvidia drivers
[06:20] <coreymon77> Uranboy: ya, the defalt, kubuntu nvidia drivers work jsut fine
[06:20] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Ok, lets do it, and thinking from that point.
[06:20] <coreymon77> Uranboy: if the proprietary drivers are giving you problems, there is a simple solution
[06:20] <Uranboy> coreymon77: But I need OpenGL, if it possible
[06:20] <coreymon77> Uranboy: dont use them
[06:21] <coreymon77> Uranboy: form what i know i believe openGL works with the normal drivers
[06:21] <nosrednaekim> no... it does not
[06:21] <Chetwin> Does anyone else have issues with easyUbuntu's speed?
[06:21] <apokryphos> !easyubuntu
[06:21] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[06:21] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: well then why does chromium run fine
[06:21] <Chetwin> #easyubuntu
[06:21] <Chetwin> woops!
[06:21] <nosrednaekim> IDK..mebe it does now... but I think not...
[06:21] <Uranboy> coreymon77: With nv settings it deosn't works. But if You have some ideas... :)
[06:22] <coreymon77> Chetwin: didnt you see, "use at your own risk"
[06:22] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: i do believe that the ut2004 trial works for me
[06:22] <wolferine> does kubuntu block ports on a new install?
[06:22] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: so its pretty clear that opengl should be working
[06:23] <Chetwin> coreymon77: Yes, but it's not a system inconsistency.  I'm not retarded, I just need a little help
[06:23] <Chetwin> It program is locked up
[06:23] <Chetwin> Thanks anyway
[06:23] <coreymon77> Chetwin: why not just use apt
[06:23] <dell190> is it possible to edit the Windows registry with Kubuntu?
[06:23] <Chetwin> Cuz apt can be a pain in my ass.  And who wants to recomile crap
[06:23] <Uranboy> coreymon77: Reinstall in progress.
[06:23] <Chetwin> I was going to have to recompile ffmpeg
[06:24] <Chetwin> So I could watch 3gp movies
[06:24] <coreymon77> Chetwin: you can get that off apt cant you
[06:24] <nosrednaekim> Chetwin: 3gp?
[06:24] <Chetwin> Yeah but I have to recompile it after
[06:24] <nosrednaekim> why?
[06:24] <coreymon77> Chetwin: apt os not a pain
[06:24] <Chetwin> 3gp is usually a quicktime file
[06:24] <Chetwin> coreymon77: It's a matter of opinion
[06:24] <coreymon77> Chetwin: no you dont, you are dumb, apt does not make you have to recomplile
[06:24] <coreymon77> Chetwin: thats the point of apt
[06:25] <Chetwin> coreymon77: Okay, I'm dumb.  Go ahead and look up 3gp on ubuntu
[06:25] <coreymon77> Chetwin: it has what you need, and apt is fully suported
[06:25] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77 yes you do if the compiled packages doesn't have the functionality
[06:25] <Sanne> Chetwin: apt has nothing to do with compiling. On the contrary, apt is (usually used as an) an installer of binary packages.
[06:25] <Chetwin> coreymon77: google it.  Then come back and tell me I'm dumb
[06:25] <Chetwin> nosrednaekim: Thank you!
[06:25] <coreymon77> Chetwin: apt is binary packages, since when did you need to recompile after binary packages
[06:25] <Chetwin> coreymon77: Since you have a reading problem
[06:25] <nosrednaekim> Chetwin: hoever, compiling isn't a big pain...
[06:26] <coreymon77> Chetwin: the point fo apt is to eliminate compiling
[06:26] <nosrednaekim> !attitude | Chetwin coreymon77
[06:26] <ubotu> Chetwin coreymon77: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:26] <Chetwin> nosrednaekim: I'm just being lazy
[06:26] <Chetwin> Thanks all
[06:27] <Chetwin> coreymon77 Pipe down
[06:27] <coreymon77> Chetwin: fine then, go on
[06:27] <coreymon77> Chetwin: just dont complain when you mess up your system
[06:28] <Sanne> hey people, do we really need that agressive tone?
[06:28] <Uranboy> coreymon77: 1 more question. What is a differece between suse and ubuntu? suse + kdm works with the official nvidia rpm-s cool, but kubuntu unable to use that?
[06:29] <Sanne> Uranboy: sometimes some hardware constellations just don't work with one or the other distro. I always used the nvidia drivers from ubuntu and didn't have problems.
[06:30] <Uranboy> Sanne: Thanks.
[06:31] <josh415> How can I tell what files will be installed by a particular package?  I don't see that option in "adept".
[06:31] <r00t__> my dsl line keeps going down randomly and the compony says it shouldent be doing it anyway near as mh as it does,any help?
[06:31] <payam> How can i install Wine?
[06:31] <r00t__> !wine
[06:31] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:31] <Uranboy> So I have a chance to use little, nice kubuntu? :)
[06:31] <payam> I wna ainstall Auto desk Cad and i need Wine
[06:32] <r00t__> payam: !wine
[06:32] <r00t__> payam: | !wine
[06:32] <r00t__> !wine |payam
[06:32] <ubotu> payam: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:33] <payam> why did you write tre times?
[06:34] <r00t__> i was trying to get the comand for ubotu right
[06:34] <r00t__> my dsl line keeps going down randomly and the compony says it shouldent be doing it anyway near as mh as it does,any help?
[06:36] <Sanne> josh415: you can look it up on packages.ubuntu.com under "Search contents of packages". There's an offline command also, I try to find it.
[06:36] <zipper_> Whats the name of the app that shows up as a speaker icon near the watch in KDE? After i compiled ALSA myself, it doesnt start automaticly anymore which is quite annoying
[06:37] <jakis_user> hello
[06:38] <bigdad1e> can someone help me install wine from my desktop?
[06:39] <josh415> Sanne: ok, thanks.  that did what i wanted.
[06:39] <josh415> zipper_: kmix
[06:39] <zipper_> josh415: thanks
[06:40] <bigdad1e> how do i install an app from my desktop?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> use the shell..
[06:41] <Dr_willis> you wantint to install wine? or install a windows program?
[06:41] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: how'd the reinstall go?
[06:42] <matthias> when can this console-setup be repaired?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> matthias, ?
[06:42] <Uranboy> coreymon77 and nosrednaekim: I finished the reinstall, just need a restart. I have a brand new kubuntu with generic settings. So what shall I do to drive my nvidia card?
[06:42] <payam> I have a problem with my fucking Kubuntu
[06:43] <payam> I dont know how i can install Autodesk Cad and i have Wine too
[06:43] <nosrednaekim> !language | payam
[06:43] <ubotu> payam: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:43] <Sanne> josh415: ah, found it ;). For offline use, it's the command: dpkg -S filename
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Autocad is one of those program i have NEVER been able to get wine to run.
[06:43] <matthias> yeah?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> but ive only used it with the older versions of wine/autocad.. not tried in a year or more
[06:43] <josh415> gracias, Sanne!
[06:43] <Sanne> josh415: you're welcome :)
[06:44] <matthias> Dr_willis?
[06:44] <payam> are you dure?
[06:44] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: just use the 'nv" driver for now
[06:44] <Dr_willis> the proper way to try to install it would be    wine /path/to/theautocadinstaller.exe
[06:44] <payam> You mean i never  can have Cad on my Pc?
[06:44] <Dr_willis> payam,  i have several cad programs out for linux.
[06:44] <nosrednaekim> payam, there are cad programs for Linux
[06:44] <Dr_willis> they do what i need. I dont need the full autocad.
[06:44] <matthias> Dr_willis?
[06:44] <Dr_willis> depends on your needs.
[06:44] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Ok, I need few minutes.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> matthias, ??
[06:45] <matthias> yeah
[06:45] <bigdad1e> how do i uninstall a program from the console?
[06:45] <payam> ok
[06:45] <payam> could you show me plz
[06:45] <Dr_willis> bigdad1e,  with sudo apt-get remove whatever
[06:45] <matthias> apt-get remove NAMEPROGRAM
[06:45] <Sanne> payam: Autocad is a Windows program. I don't think you can blame Kubuntu if programs for other OSs don't run ;)
[06:45] <matthias> Dr_willis
[06:45] <Uranboy> payam: I heard something about BricsCad. It 99% compatible with ACAD.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> AUtocad is in many ways one of the worst written programs  :)
[06:45] <bigdad1e> Dr_willis, thanks
[06:45] <fenrig> Dr_willis
[06:46] <payam> okok.
[06:46] <fenrig> hey i have a problem
[06:46] <Dr_willis> fenrig,  are you going to actually SAY somthing. :)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:46] <payam> Does it have the same  Layut as Cad
[06:46] <fenrig> console-setup
[06:46] <fenrig> gives me a error
[06:46] <payam> I mean it looks like Cad?
[06:46] <fenrig> when installing
[06:46] <Dr_willis> fenrig,  never heard of 'console-setup' what is it.
[06:46] <fenrig> its a package that give u a terminal
[06:47] <fenrig> and uses the same keyboard config like X
[06:47] <Uranboy> payam: They said it works lika an ACAD
[06:47] <fenrig> please someone
[06:47] <Dr_willis> You meen its a X terminal type program?
[06:47] <payam> okok
[06:47] <payam> i wana search
[06:47] <Dr_willis> !ingo qcad
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ingo qcad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <Dr_willis> !info qcad
[06:47] <ubotu> qcad: A professional CAD System. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.5.0-1-1 (edgy), package size 2889 kB, installed size 12364 kB
[06:47] <Dr_willis> qcad dont do 3d however. :()
[06:48] <Dr_willis> or course I dont do 3d either. :)
[06:48] <fenrig> yeah
[06:48] <fenrig> what does this mean?
[06:48] <kevin> hi
[06:48] <Dr_willis> of course i wouldent use 99.9%  of the autocad features if i had it.
[06:49] <fenrig> "subproces post-installation script gave a errorvalue 3
[06:49] <fenrig> i have a dutch distro
[06:49] <fenrig> dutch kubuntu
[06:49] <Dr_willis> sounds like the package some how is messed up.
[06:49] <Uranboy> fenrig: I have a hungarian one.
[06:49] <payam> RPM file or TGZ?
[06:49] <payam> which one shuold i download?
[06:50] <bbeck_> Hey I was wondering if anyone else had trouble accessing the NASA (www.nasa.gov) site with Konqueror (3.5.6)?  For me it seems like it continually reloads the page.
[06:50] <waylandbill> payam: I use tgz in preference to rpm.
[06:51] <waylandbill> if I'm going to use a package not specifically designed for the distro, might as well use source and optimize it.
[06:51] <nixternal> bbeck_: same here
[06:51] <fdoving> bbeck_: confirmed.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> bbeck_,  the first page of the nasa.gov site is a silly 'flash' thing last i looked.
[06:51] <nixternal> Retrieving 10.8KB from www.nasa.gov
[06:51] <nixternal> now I have a pop-up window blocked
[06:52] <fenrig> hello
[06:52] <fenrig> please help$
[06:52] <fenrig> its pretty serieus
[06:52] <nixternal> fenrig: what do you need?
[06:52] <fenrig> euhm
[06:52] <fenrig> help
[06:52] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Are you here?
[06:52] <nixternal> on what?
[06:52] <fenrig> because console-setup
[06:52] <nosrednaekim> yes
[06:52] <fenrig> doesnt want to configure
[06:53] <nixternal> console-setup?
[06:53] <fenrig> yeah
[06:53] <Dr_willis> heh     The nasa.gov site requires that JavaScripts be enabled in your browser. For instructions, click here
[06:53] <Dr_willis> *@&@ them - i do not need javascript for them! :)
[06:53] <fenrig> i always get this error
[06:53] <fenrig> subproces post-installation script gave a errorvalue 20
[06:53] <nixternal> ahh, I see it
[06:53] <nixternal> fenrig: sounds like a packaging bug
[06:53] <fenrig> damn
[06:53] <Dr_willis> http://www.nasa.gov/lb/home/index.html
[06:53] <fenrig> but debian has it too
[06:53] <Dr_willis> text only variant. :)
[06:54] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Can you help me? sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't works.
[06:54] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[06:54] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:54] <fenrig> i mean i downloaded a debian package also
[06:54] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: what does it say?
[06:54] <nosrednaekim> you're not still in the live CD?right?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> !info console-setup
[06:54] <ubotu> console-setup: Setup the font and the keyboard on the console. In component main, is important. Version 1.7ubuntu19 (edgy), package size 409 kB, installed size 1088 kB
[06:54] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Lots of 'No database available'
[06:55] <Dr_willis> In component main, is important  - dosent that mean its llready installed?
[06:55] <nixternal> fenrig: what is the exit status error number? does it say 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 3'
[06:55] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: No, booted from hda
[06:55] <fenrig> yeah when i install it from a ubuntu repo
[06:55] <fenrig> or kubuntu repo
[06:55] <fenrig> dont kno
[06:55] <r00t__> my dsl line keeps going down randomly and the compony says it shouldent be doing it anyway near as mh as it does,any help?
[06:55] <r00t__> anywhere*
[06:56] <nixternal> fenrig: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/91399
[06:56] <nixternal> it is a known bug
[06:56] <fenrig> and with the debian packages i get a 20 error
[06:56] <nixternal> need to get someone to look at it
[06:56] <Dr_willis> as mh as it does?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> whats a mh ?
[06:56] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: do kdesu that command instead of sudo
[06:56] <nosrednaekim> kdesu, lets you start a graphical program as root
[06:56] <nixternal> fenrig: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 20
[06:57] <zipper_> I've followed the guide + troubleshooting at the wiki, but i'm still having trouble with my ati card. fglrxinfo still tells me it's using MESA?! Anyone got the slightest idea of whats wrong?
[06:57] <fenrig> yeah
[06:57] <fenrig> but then something that looks like it in dutch
[06:57] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: You win! :)
[06:57] <fenrig> dutch kubuntu
[06:57] <nosrednaekim> did that work?
[06:57] <nixternal> fenrig: are you using Feisty?
[06:58] <fenrig> yeah
[06:58] <fenrig> did it for fun
[06:58] <fenrig> but i actually like it
[06:58] <userund> feisty -> #ubuntu+1
[06:59] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: It' OK. Restart and exciting! :)
[06:59] <nosrednaekim> k
[06:59] <kyuuketsuki> hey, guys my friend is trying to install kubuntu with a 6.10 dvd, but after the splash loading screen the live session goes blank
[06:59] <Skuller> good mornin....is there a chance that my webcam will be compatible with feisty considering it is not with edgy?
[07:00] <nosrednaekim> kyuuketsuki: ok.... go alt+f2 as soon as the splash comes up
[07:00] <nosrednaekim> thatt'l show any error messages
[07:01] <kyuuketsuki> alright, I'm going there tomorrow to try and help him, hopefully that'll shed some light on his conundrum
[07:01] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: ...hope it works... g2g
[07:01] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: OK, nice scrolling, low resolution and color depth.
[07:01] <Uranboy> nosrednaekim: Next step or try? :)
[07:02] <nosrednaekim> Uranboy: try over at #ubuntu if no one can help you here? (I have to leave)
[07:02] <nosrednaekim> you will most likely have to edit your xorg...
[07:04] <shift> anyone able to think of a commnad line way i can batch create some 10second samples of mp3s?
[07:06] <Skuller> good mornin....is there a chance that my webcam will be compatible with feisty considering it is not with edgy?
[07:07] <Lynoure> Is the codec autoinstaller supposed to work in Kubuntu Feisty or just in Ubuntu?
[07:07] <Tm_T> Lynoure: You mean Totem feature? ;)
[07:08] <Lynoure> Tm_T: not supposed to be a totem feature, I think: http://ubuntudaily.blogspot.com/2007/02/automatic-codec-installation-in-ubuntu.html
[07:08] <Lynoure> Tm_T: but I could be wrong.
[07:08] <Tm_T> Lynoure: Oh well, I know nothing about it anyway.
[07:10] <r00t__> my dsl line keeps going down randomly and the compony says it shouldent be doing it anywhere near as much as it does,any help?
[07:10] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, a lot of the codecs are non free , hence no default installs due to legalities ,but they are available on backports etc
[07:10] <Lynoure> Tm_T: I know it works in ubuntu, but annoyingly on #ubuntu+1 I seem to be pretty much the only kubuntu user...
[07:11] <Skuller> hey guys...just a tinsy question...is there a chance of my webcam workin on feisty considering it doesnt on edgy?
[07:11] <r00t__> Skuller: maybe
[07:11] <Sanne> shift: I can only give ideas, not a full working command. For one file only, I would do that with dd (see man dd). You can copy a certain amount of bytes with dd from an input file to an output file. You would need to calculate how many bytes 10 seconds are. It would go like this: "dd if=inputfile.mp3 of=outputfile.mp3 bs=number_of_bytes". Then you have to loop over your files to do it for multiple files, can be done with a bash script.
[07:11] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: You know if it is supposed to work on kubuntu like it does on ubuntu?
[07:12] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: legalities cannot really explain the difference.
[07:12] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I know that stuff, thank you. ;)
[07:12] <Skuller> r00t__: thanks for lighting a spark of hope in my heart...:D
[07:13] <r00t__> Skuller: my cd/dvd burner works on fiesty but not edgy
[07:14] <Skuller> glad to hear that....
[07:18] <BluesKaj> Lynoure, the point is availability , not if the codecs work or not , that was my understanding
[07:18] <goingnorthwest> can anyone direct me to a website on how to mount a ntfs drive?
[07:18] <BluesKaj> it should be the same for both kernels
[07:19] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: it's in the kernel? Seemed like a userspace feature to me
[07:20] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: I'm talking about this: http://ubuntudaily.blogspot.com/2007/02/automatic-codec-installation-in-ubuntu.html
[07:24] <pc-4> hi
[07:27] <pc-4> scusate una domanda: ho abilitato l'utente root sulla mia kubuntu 6.10 ma adesso non riesco a fare il log grafico, dove devo andare a parare?
[07:28] <nixternal> !es
[07:28] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:29] <nixternal> err
[07:29] <nixternal> sorry,
[07:29] <nixternal> !it
[07:29] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:29] <nixternal> I should have noticed the scusate :)
[07:37] <trycyt> Can update-alternatives be used to manage symlinks in /usr/lib/cups/backend ?
[07:40] <ubuntu_> hello
[07:41] <binks> camaleon: hi ou ok
[07:42] <binks> ^you
[07:44] <ubuntu_> can someone help me i need to set up partions
[07:47] <binks> !partition
[07:47] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:47] <binks> !gparted
[07:47] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[07:47] <binks> !qtparted
[07:47] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[07:48] <cotyrothery> i dont know how to use it
[07:48] <cotyrothery> i want to do it manually
[07:49] <binks> maybe try cfdiskj then
[07:49] <binks> !cfdisk
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cfdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <binks> !fdisk
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <binks> arr well googlke it it dont partition manually
[07:52] <zipper_> Where can i find a support channel for xgl/beryl?
[07:52] <Sanne> cotyrothery: if you don't want to do the gui programs, I would also recommend cfdisk (not fdisk). It is text based, but has a very understandable menu system. Just take yout time, read what it says, you should be fine. You can read a bit about it by typing "man cfdisk", if you want.
[07:52] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:53] <cotyrothery> But what im trying to do is install
[07:53] <cotyrothery> and someone said
[07:53] <cotyrothery> that i needed 3 pations
[07:53] <cotyrothery> partions
[07:53] <cotyrothery> but i still am lost on all of this
[07:54] <Sanne> cotyrothery: do you use the live cd or the alternate cd (comes with a text based installer)?
[07:54] <cotyrothery> im running live cd
[07:55] <Sanne> cotyrothery: isn't there a partitioning option? Somebody else will have to help you with that, because I always use the alternate CD. There should also be some documentation on the cd with install help, or you might find some walkthrouhg on the net (I remember seeing those).
[07:56] <cotyrothery> yea it gives me the option of manully doing the pationing
[07:56] <Tresko> cotyrothery: qtparted is the graphical way
[07:56] <easytiger> si there any reason why my sound device might vay on alternate boots from /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp1?
[07:57] <easytiger> vary
[07:57] <cotyrothery> they said i needed a swap or something like that
[07:57] <Sanne> cotyrothery: usually, what partitions you need is a kind of preference, I for one have several. It is usually a good idea to have one partition for the system "/", one for your home directory "/home", and one for the swap area. I guess that's what your friend might have meant.
[07:58] <cotyrothery> So how do i make them
[07:58] <Tresko> cotyrothery: a thumb rule can be that twice the space with swap as you have ram
[07:58] <Tresko> cotyrothery: qtparted or another pratitioner
[07:58] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:58] <Sanne> cotyrothery: as I said, you should be able to do that with the installer, but since I don't know the one from the live cd, I can't give you details. Hopefully somebody else will setp up tp help.
[07:59] <Sanne> ah :)
[07:59] <Tresko> cotyrothery: it might be a good idea to place the swap partition at the start of you harddrive
[07:59] <cotyrothery> ok
[07:59] <bbeck_> Is anyone here running fiesty?
[07:59] <Tresko> cotyrothery: and then var and so on... or have the rest of the system on a second part
[08:00] <cotyrothery> so then all i need is two parts
[08:00] <Tresko> cotyrothery: that should do it
[08:00] <cotyrothery> ok
[08:00] <userund> ! feisty | bbeck_
[08:00] <ubotu> bbeck_: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:00] <binks> i pref separate / and /home and swap as if i need to reinstall i can save my /home
[08:00] <Tresko> cotyrothery: thoug its recomended to have 3 -> swap -> root  -> home
[08:01] <cotyrothery> that is what i was tolled
[08:01] <cotyrothery> but im so cunfused at the manully making them
[08:01] <cotyrothery> It is the layout
[08:01] <cotyrothery> i dont know what i should do
[08:01] <bbeck_> I was just wondering if someone wouldn't mind doing a "man chroot" and a "info chroot" to let me know if the documentation is identical.
[08:01] <binks> so use the auto option in the live cd to get yoiu up and running if this is your first nix installk
[08:01] <Tresko> cotyrothery: are you using qtparted?
[08:02] <binks> why ius my kjeyboard printing random lketters
[08:02] <Tresko> cotyrothery: you might want yet another partition ;) http://security.linux.com/security/07/03/12/1557249.shtml?tid=35
[08:02] <binks> hmm batteries req
[08:03] <Sanne> bbeck_: seems pretty much identical to me
[08:04] <bbeck_> Sanne: thanks, I didn't want to fill out a bug report if it was already fixed.
[08:04] <Sanne> bbeck_: oh, I should say I'm on Dapper, if that's of relevance.
[08:05] <Sanne> bbeck_: ah, I see, you wanted this report from feisty. Sorry...
[08:05] <bbeck_> Sanne: no biggie, I'll go ahead and fill it out anyways, and if it's been fixed, it'll get closed.
[08:06] <Sanne> bbeck_: good idea
[08:06] <zipper_> Anyone know of any good laptop specific apps? Like a APM batterywatch, touchpad control panel and so on...
[08:06] <atidem> hi
[08:07] <zipper_> for an asus a6r laptop
[08:11] <josh415> i'm trying to install krb5-user.  adept says it will break something, but doesn't give me more details.  how should i troubleshoot this?  i'm on 6.10.
[08:14] <cotyrothery> my computer froze so i did not get anything you said
[08:18] <josh415> looks like there was a split, so i'll ask this again.  pls forgive the repeat:
[08:18] <josh415> i'm trying to install krb5-user.  adept says it will break something, but doesn't give me more details.  how should i troubleshoot this?  i'm on 6.10.
[08:18] <zipper_> Anyone know of any good laptop specific apps? Like a APM batterywatch, touchpad control panel and so on.. (Asus a6r laptop)
[08:19] <binks> try installing using sudp apt-get installk krb5-user
[08:19] <binks> sudo^
[08:19] <binks> thats it no more typing tillk i get new batteries lkater allk
[08:21] <haffi_> Which would you recommend for Beryl on Kubuntu and an nVidia card, XGL or AIGLX?
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> AIGLX
[08:23] <haffi_> Can you tell me why, in a few words?
[08:24] <nosrednaekim> haffi_: becuase AIGLX is built into the default x server, its more stable and you can use 3d acceleration with it
[08:29] <haffi_> ok, thx
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> haffi_: that is... if you are running edgy
[08:30] <haffi_> I'm running edgy
[08:30] <Skuller> nosrednaekim: i followed the instructions to enable AIGLX on my kubun and remember editing my xorg.conf...after that my X wudnt start up and had to reconfigure it...i tried this twice with the same result n no luck
[08:30] <haffi_> but I have a slow computer
[08:32] <fyrmedic> What is the equivalent of this "/dev/ttyUSB0" in Kubuntu
[08:32] <fyrmedic> ?
[08:33] <Skuller> nosrednaekim: k i have to go....perhaps i'll ask for your help in this matter later on....
[08:36] <nosrednaekim> skuller you still around?
[08:39] <yaccin> fyrmedic: what was you trying to isntall?
[08:39] <khirr> how could i configure my printer Kyocera fs-720?
[08:39] <yaccin> ive just read something about that
[08:39] <yaccin> !m4
[08:39] <ubotu> m4: a macro processing language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.4-1 (edgy), package size 108 kB, installed size 340 kB
[08:40] <yaccin> !jokosher
[08:40] <ubotu> jokosher: simple and easy to use audio multi-tracker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 605 kB, installed size 1676 kB
[08:40] <khirr> how could i configure my printer Kyocera fs-720?
[08:42] <binks> khirr: try looking at linuxprinting.org
[08:42] <khirr> ok
[08:43] <binks> checkj if its in gutenprint drivers if so install gutenprint
[08:45] <dromer> does anybody know how I can fullscreen vlc on my tv? all other apps work fine if I just drag it there and fullscreen then, but vlc keeps going to the main screen
[08:48] <jhutchins> dromer: Do you suppose it would be helpful if we knew what video card you were using, and what drivers?
[08:48] <stingray-> dromer, think you need to specify which screen is the primary
[08:49] <stingray-> search the man or google for LEFT_OFF settings or something like that
[08:49] <dromer> jhutchins: sorry: geforce2 mx and the nvidia-drivers with twinview
[08:49] <stingray-> so you can set TV LEFTOF Monitor
[08:49] <stingray-> or something like that
[08:50] <dromer> stingray-: but I don't want the desktop and login to be at the tv, the problem only occurs with vlc, all other video-apps work when just moving the window to the other screen and then fullscreening
[08:51] <neoncode> Does anyone know if development is still going on with that GLScube project? The website and blog haven't been updated since late last year.
[08:52] <stingray-> dromer, hmm, dunno. Never managed to get my setup working (lcd monitor + lcd tv)
[08:52] <stingray-> dromer, however, if you do, i would very much like to see your xorg.conf
[08:53] <dromer> stingray-: wel, basically I got it working now, only vlc is too stubborn to put the fullscreen on the screen the player is :P
[08:53] <dromer> let me up it for you :)
[08:53] <fyrmedic> yaccin: sorry for the delay. I am trying to figure out what /dev my usb ports are on to get the data stream from my GPS for several programs.
[08:53] <yaccin> hmmm lsusb?
[08:53] <yaccin> i dont know :/
[08:54] <dromer> stingray-: this is what I'm using now: http://www.murple.net/links/StarTrekVoyeur.avi
[08:54] <fyrmedic> yaccin; thanks
[08:54] <sputnik2012> Hi all, anyone hacving problesm logging into yahoo messenger?
[08:55] <dromer> stingray-: it's really just the adding of the last 5 lines of the device section :)
[08:56] <khirr> i tried linuxprintg, but nohing
[08:56] <bigdad1e> could someone help me set up my phone?
[08:57] <khirr> how can i configure my kyocera fs-720?
[08:57] <bigdad1e> set up multisync*
[08:59] <bigdad1e> i cant get multisync to find my phone
[08:59] <dromer> ok, so, another problem I still have with twinview is my tv-screen is off to the left by about 1 inch, how could I correct this?
[09:02] <dna2_> hello, since the last burst of update to feisty I can not use both my ethernet interfaces at once it seems :( I can switch which one that should be working with KNetworkManager
[09:02] <dna2_> its a cross on the one that is working
[09:03] <dna2_> eth0 is for internet and has dhcp and eth1 is manually configured in system settings and is connected to the LAN
[09:04] <bigdad1e> can someone help me with multisync?
[09:05] <dna2_> firestarter wont start since it sais eth1 is not ready, if I click on eth1 in KNetworkManager, firestarter will say that eth0 is not ready
[09:05] <dm2> Is their a network monitor for KDE that shows my network usage?
[09:05] <vincent_> hello everybody
[09:06] <xBill> dm2: knemo
[09:06] <dm2> thanks xBill
[09:07] <apol> does anybody know where do i have to change that when I doubleclick a window bar it maximises instead of shading?
[09:07] <vincent_> hello apol
[09:08] <vincent_> do you have only kde or do you have beryl installed too ?
[09:08] <apol> kde...
[09:08] <apol> kwin to be precise ;)
[09:08] <vincent_> ok
[09:08] <dna2_> I found the problem, a bug in feisty
[09:09] <vincent_> wait a moment going back to kde too ...
[09:09] <dromer> how can I best upgrade my pc from dapper to edgy?
[09:09] <LjL> !upgrade > dromer    (dromer, see the private message from Ubotu)
[09:09] <dromer> thnx
[09:09] <vincent_> so apol, right click on your desktop
[09:09] <Gizmo48> Questions regarding Audio here?
[09:10] <vincent_> choose 'configure desktop'
[09:10] <Gizmo48> never mind, found problem.
[09:10] <vincent_> oh ! sorry !
[09:10] <vincent_> apol ?
[09:11] <vincent_> menu k
[09:11] <vincent_> execute
[09:11] <apol> vincent_: tell me
[09:11] <dromer> LjL: what are the "magic packages" ?
[09:11] <computerex> Hey guys. Any one knows the solution to the classic "stuck at 1024 x 768 resolution" problem ?
[09:11] <vincent_> kcontrol
[09:11] <vincent_> is it done ?
[09:12] <dromer> computerex: change your xorg.conf?
[09:12] <computerex> Tried that so many times :(
[09:12] <vincent_> k menu > execute > kcontrol
[09:12] <dromer> computerex: what depth are you using? (normaly would be 24?)
[09:12] <LjL> dromer: which magic packages?
[09:13] <dromer> computerex: I wouldn't know what else you could do really
[09:13] <dromer> LjL: in the link ubotu gave me :P
[09:13] <dromer> 5. Install some magic packages.
[09:13] <dromer> # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[09:13] <computerex> 24...I think. Sorry for my ignorance, very new to Linux
[09:13] <computerex> I had the same problem with Fedora core 6
[09:14] <dromer> computerex: no matter, have you looked in your xorg.conf and added the setting you want in the line with depth 24? should be quite obvious
[09:14] <vincent_> apol :  k menu > execute > kcontrol        choose desktop > windows comportment
[09:14] <computerex> Yep
[09:14] <dromer> meh, I tried fedora .. not my style :P
[09:14] <LjL> dromer, i went to the link (and also to the Dapper->Edgy sublink), but i can't find any mention of that...
[09:14] <computerex> I started using Ubuntu very recently. I am so in love with it, dumped my Windows partition in no time
[09:14] <dromer> LjL: however, I'm not explicitely rinning Kubuntu (ubuntu dapper install with added kde and other wm's)
[09:15] <LjL> dromer: oh - sorry
[09:15] <LjL> !upgrade
[09:15] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:15] <LjL> dromer: i was looking at the wrong page (i.e. not the Kubuntu specific one), while the one i gave you was the Kubuntu specific one
[09:15] <LjL> !upgrade-#ubuntu
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade-#ubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <LjL> pff, dromer, type   /msg ubotu upgrade
[09:16] <apol> vincent_ thx
[09:16] <LjL> dromer: anyway the "magic packages" it refers to are simply the ones it lists immediately following: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[09:16] <LjL> these ones
[09:16] <LjL> but if you're not exactly running Kubuntu, the other method might be preferrable
[09:18] <dromer> LjL: what are so "magic" about these is what I'm wondering really :P
[09:18] <LjL> dromer: just the fact that they're mostly not real packages, but metapackages (i.e. "empty" packages that just depend on other "strategic" packages)
[09:19] <dromer> ok
[09:19] <waylandbill> best way to describe it is that the meta package describes what other packages make it up.
[09:20] <computerex> I have the xorg fully edited for the desired resolutions, but I am unable to change them from System Settings -> Display. The maximum res I get is 1024 x 768
[09:21] <computerex> I have heard that this is a classic problem
[09:21] <dromer> computerex: restart x
[09:22] <computerex> I have already tried that...
[09:22] <dromer> computerex: else your new config won't load
[09:22] <excelsior> Hello, little question about kdevelop. How I can enable code-completion ?
[09:22] <dromer> hmm, weird, can you pastebin or link your xorg.conf?
[09:22] <computerex> One sec, will try to upload to a web server
[09:23] <Sanne> !paste | computerex
[09:23] <ubotu> computerex: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:23] <computerex> oh..nice
[09:23] <Sanne> :)
[09:25] <eXistenZ> How can I view djvu files in Kubuntu?
[09:28] <computerex> Heres the link to my xorg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10391/
[09:28] <computerex> I have a Nvidia card, could it have anything to do with that?
[09:30] <waylandbill> computerex: what's the problem? usually vesa is a pretty safe bet.
[09:30] <computerex> I am stuck at 1024 x 768 res
[09:31] <computerex> That's the highest I can get
[09:31] <SolidSource> computerex: have you tried the Nvidia-glx driver?
[09:31] <computerex> No..
[09:31] <computerex> Can you point me to the right direction?
[09:31] <SolidSource> computerex: its in the repos...so just use adept
[09:32] <Sanne> !nvidia | computerex
[09:32] <ubotu> computerex: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:32] <computerex> Thanks
[09:32] <waylandbill> that's why. vesa won't go too high in res. It's really a fallback driver
[09:33] <Sanne> Oops, need to make dinner. Laters, all.
[09:33] <jhutchins> Anybody know how to get kmail to open encapsulated GPG messages automatically?
[09:34] <waylandbill> jhutchins: you mean like encrypted ones?
[09:34] <jhutchins> These are signed messages sent to a listserv, which I presume is doing the encapsulation.
[09:36] <computerex> For the NVidia glx driver, do you need to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable on every boot?
[09:36] <waylandbill> usually one uses pgp/mime to a listserv, which kmail should handle.
[09:36] <khirr> how can i configure my kyocera fs-720?
[09:36] <jhutchins> kmail very rarely opens in-line pictures either.
[09:36] <SolidSource> mozilla on my PDA...makes me happy
[09:36] <waylandbill> computerex: no.
[09:36] <computerex> Thanks
[09:37] <SolidSource> computerex: no, if anything, just a minor change to the xorg.conf
[09:39] <jack> hello all, can anyone help me with an apache 2 problem?
[09:39] <jack6386> hello all, can anyone help me with an apache 2 problem?
[09:40] <computerex> Is it ok if I get the nvida-glx from apt rather then adept ?
[09:40] <jack6386> computerex: yes
[09:40] <jack6386> it works better that way
[09:41] <SolidSource> computerex: yeas
[09:41] <computerex> Thanks
[09:41] <jack6386> computerex: np
[09:41] <SolidSource> jack6386: it doesn't work any better....
[09:42] <computerex> apt is easier IMHO
[09:43] <SolidSource> yes apt is bit easier...if you know the name of the package
[09:43] <jack6386> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:43] <jack6386> i had to download it before
[09:44] <SolidSource> ok MiniMo has a long way to go still
[09:46] <mark__> hello
[09:47] <mark__> How do I install nvidia driver as root when I cannot login as root?
[09:47] <SolidSource> !nvidia > mark__
[09:47] <computerex> I got this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10395/ after launching sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:48] <SolidSource> computerex: you don't need to run that
[09:48] <computerex> So am I all set?
[09:49] <SolidSource> computerex: but as it says, in the xorg.conf change "nv" to "nvidia"
[09:49] <computerex> It doesn't say which section...Let me search in xorg
[09:49] <SolidSource> computerex: there could be 1-3 of them to change
[09:51] <computerex> "nv" not found in xorg
[09:51] <SolidSource> computerex: then its one of the occasions where the driver did it as it should....no just do CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[09:51] <SolidSource> no=now
[09:52] <redesmax> hola
[09:56] <irombrus85> ciao a tutti
[09:56] <LjL> !it
[09:56] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:56] <yaccin> anyone has kirocker installed?
[09:57] <bigdad1e> ok i need help installing my ati drivers so i can put my video card back in. can someone please help me?
[09:58] <SolidSource> !ati > bigdad1e
[09:58] <frectomex> sal all
[09:58] <frectomex> need some help here ppl
[09:58] <frectomex> who can help me
[09:58] <SolidSource> !ask > frectomex
[10:00] <frectomex> who knows how to install a pc-tv card in kubuntu?
[10:01] <bigdad1e> thank you
[10:02] <bxnp> how do i create a bad block map
[10:02] <yaccin> !kirocker
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kirocker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <SolidSource> frectomex: try again later...most aren't actually on till later
[10:03] <alain> coucou
[10:03] <computerex> Sigh...Sadly, even with the Nvidia glx installed, I am still stuck with 1024 x 768
[10:03] <SolidSource> computerex: now go into kcontrol/system setting >> monitor & display >> hardware... and select your monitor
[10:04] <zipper_> Hmm, what to do if kmix shows the wrong "thing" as the main volume control (when you click the icon)? I want to change it from headphones to PCM - is that possible?
[10:04] <SolidSource> zipper_: right click on it and select master channel
[10:05] <SolidSource> zipper_: right click the icon in the system tray
[10:05] <zipper_> SolidSource: d'oh... thought i tried everything. Thanks a lot though
[10:06] <SolidSource> yaccin: check the amarok scripts section of kde-apps.org....I think theres a script that does the same thing
[10:06] <computerex> For some reason, Ubuntu seems to have "forzen" itself in the Display-System Settings window. All I did was click "Administrator mode"
[10:06] <zipper_> this is a wierd feeling... I dont know what to fix next on my laptop. Wifi works, touchpad works... everything except the special buttons. Any specific package that takes care of those or?
[10:06] <zipper_> asus a6r laptop
[10:06] <yaccin> SolidSource: you know what kirocker is?
[10:07] <yaccin> i know its on kde-apps, but it doesnt wok :(
[10:07] <SolidSource> yaccin: yeah, but never used it...but I think I remember seeing an amarok that would do the same thing
[10:08] <SolidSource> amarok script*
[10:08] <yaccin> how can an amarok-script display information in kicker?
[10:09] <computerex> Display settings simply won't let me change the settings.When I click administrator mode, I don't get prompted for password either...
[10:09] <SolidSource> yaccin: well there are scripts that can...
[10:10] <cpk1> yaccin: if you mouse over the amarok icon it displays info...
[10:10] <cpk1> also the amarok icon fills/empties depending on how much of the song is left
[10:11] <yaccin> cpk1: IF i mouse over
[10:11] <yaccin> i dont want to need to do that
[10:11] <cpk1> frectomex: depending on what card you get it can be really easy
[10:12] <frectomex> LEADTEK DTV 2000 H
[10:12] <frectomex> VIDEO STANDARD : PAL BG/DK
[10:12] <frectomex> CHIP : CONEXANT CX2388X + CONEXANT 22702
[10:12] <frectomex> REMOTE + TELETEXT
[10:12] <SolidSource> yaccin: there are scripts that can do what you want...hell theres scripts so you can display info here in konvo and kopete
[10:12] <frectomex> its a hybrid one with fm also
[10:12] <jose__> helo
[10:13] <max-linux> hello
[10:13] <max-linux> algun hispano
[10:13] <computerex> Any one know why I can't edit the settings in System Settings->Display ?
[10:14] <tsdgeos> !e
[10:14] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[10:14] <tsdgeos> !es
[10:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:14] <yaccin> SolidSource: but i want it in kicker :P
[10:15] <cpk1> frectomex: well I dont see anything about it on the mythtv wiki but that doesnt mean it wont work =)
[10:15] <yaccin> and for kopete and konversation i dont even need scripts, because its build in
[10:15] <frectomex> i read some about the chip they use
[10:15] <frectomex> i`m new to pc-tv card in linux
[10:16] <frectomex> the others had only 1 chip :) i have 2 :P
[10:16] <frectomex> only 878 chip info i found
[10:16] <frectomex> i`ve installed kdetv and tvtime
[10:20] <makallius> hello
[10:20] <SolidSource> yaccin: here look....http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/amaroK+Desktop+Script?content=20293
[10:20] <Gizmo48> Anyone else having issues with Kaudiocreator slowing to a crawl and hanging?
[10:21] <yaccin> i dont want it on the desktop :/
[10:22] <SolidSource> yaccin: well I don't know how to get kirocker, don't have any use for it....theres always superkaramba
[10:23] <yaccin> hmm superkaramba also displays the info on the desktop, not in kicker :/
[10:23] <SolidSource> picky picky
[10:25] <yaccin> also your amarok script only displays the cover :P
[10:25] <yaccin> hmm i think ill stick with amarok fullscreen
[10:26] <yaccin> but it would be nice if you could set that as your "background image"
[10:26] <cpk1> its called a wishlist
[10:26] <cpk1> use it
[10:26] <yaccin> i know ;)
[10:26] <yaccin> only thing missing now is this: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6595/bildschirmphoto12xs5.png
[10:28] <pfein_> So I just picked up a second card (USB), in addition to my laptop's built-in one.  How can I get amarok to use it?
[10:28] <SolidSource> yaccin: the download on kde-apps is broken anyway
[10:28] <yaccin> download of what?
[10:29] <firemonkeyballz> hey now have full audio card support
[10:29] <firemonkeyballz> :D
[10:29] <firemonkeyballz> just downloaded the 32 bit packages
[10:29] <firemonkeyballz> alc883 now works fully
[10:29] <firemonkeyballz> :D
[10:29] <firemonkeyballz> hows that for some beans
[10:35] <firemonkeyballz> eh.. guess your all working
[10:35] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: nope I'm here
[10:35] <firemonkeyballz> nos
[10:35] <SolidSource> not really
[10:35] <firemonkeyballz> I fixed my audio drivers entirely
[10:35] <bxnp> guys how do i make a bad block map for my hd
[10:35] <firemonkeyballz> although 32 bit
[10:35] <bxnp> any one an idea
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: oh...cool
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> how?
[10:36] <yaccin> oh and SolidSource... configureing that amarok script doesnt work :/
[10:36] <chktckt> How can I merge directories?
[10:36] <chktckt> I have a directory /root/fake-root-directory and I want to merge the contents of that into the root directory.
[10:36] <chktckt> So there's a /root/fake-root-directory/etc/samba/smb.conf for example. How would I be able to get that as well as /root/fake-root-directory/usr/sbin/myprog installed in the appropriate places in / ?
[10:36] <firemonkeyballz> follow this wine install instructions
[10:36] <firemonkeyballz> http://wiki.winehq.org/UbuntuAMD64
[10:36] <LjL> bxnp: i know that mkfs can check for bad blocks when doing a full format... don't know about on a live drive
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: to install sound drivers?
[10:37] <firemonkeyballz> gives 32 bit emulation
[10:37] <firemonkeyballz> so you can use the 32 bit drivers
[10:37] <LjL> bxnp: oh, "man badblocks"
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> using wine to give 32 bit emulation? well... thats a new one
[10:37] <cpk1> chktckt: maybe mv -u?
[10:37] <mark__> checked that help file for installing nvidia driver but it is not for the new kubuntu
[10:38] <cpk1> chktckt: that will only replace files if the source file is newer or there isnt an original there
[10:38] <yaccin> !nvidia > mark__
[10:38] <firemonkeyballz> well its required to download alsa 32
[10:38] <firemonkeyballz> and ia32
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: wow... ok.....but what was wring with your sound anyway?
[10:38] <firemonkeyballz> just wanted full funct
[10:39] <mark__> need to know how to be root to install the file from nvidia download sh file
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: like what? 3d sound?
[10:39] <firemonkeyballz> yes
[10:39] <SolidSource> yaccin: compile...theres no compile...just adding the script to amarok
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: oh ok.. cool
[10:39] <yaccin> So yes but you then can configure it
[10:39] <ro1> Hello
[10:39] <yaccin> like the position of the cover
[10:39] <mark__> tried terminal and su to root but does not workk
[10:39] <yaccin> but nothing happens when i click it
[10:39] <yaccin> :/
[10:40] <SolidSource> yaccin: depends on Python 2.2, PyQt, PyKDE
[10:40] <cpk1> mark__: is there a specific reason you want to use the drivers from the nvidia website?
[10:40] <firemonkeyballz> have full mixer
[10:40] <firemonkeyballz> :D
[10:40] <ro1> if My wireless card is being declared by lshw as simply Ethernet should I be looking at drivers?
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: well.. good....I don't really need anything besides what I have...
[10:40] <mark__> they have drivers for 3d
[10:40] <bxnp> but LjL does that program allso make the badblock map
[10:40] <bxnp> cause its not very clear to me at this point
[10:40] <firemonkeyballz> well like I said
[10:40] <firemonkeyballz> im a controll freak
[10:41] <firemonkeyballz> I need dem controlls
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> ahh..ok..
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> lol..
[10:41] <LjL> bxnp, it searches for bad blocks and outputs a list of them... i call that a "bad block maps", dunno what you call it
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: so do you have a problem?
[10:42] <firemonkeyballz> ehn no
[10:42] <bxnp> oke but how can i use that list
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> or are you just hang out here like me?
[10:42] <cpk1> mark__: just use the drivers from the repository
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> :-P
[10:42] <firemonkeyballz> prob hang out
[10:42] <mark__> no access to that
[10:42] <LjL> bxnp, it says you can feed it to mkfs. what do you want to use a badblocks map *for*, anyway?
[10:42] <ro1> help :-)
[10:42] <yaccin> SolidSource: have all this installed ...
[10:42] <bxnp> cause this driver is the only driver i have at this moment, and i cant install linux on it
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> ro1: what is your problem?
[10:43] <mark__> directions in help file do not match my install
[10:43] <bxnp> i am on a live cd right now
[10:43] <hendaus> hola
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> hen daus, hello
[10:43] <bxnp> so i thought if i create that map, it will not try to read or write to those blocks
[10:43] <bxnp> am i wrong in this LjL
[10:43] <hendaus> nosrednaekim,  hi
[10:43] <firemonkeyballz> umm how do I change the kde start bar colors?
[10:44] <cpk1> ro1: what kind of card do you have?
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> start bar?
[10:44] <firemonkeyballz> its realy messing with my scheeme
[10:44] <hendaus> nosrednaekim,  i am newbie with kubuntu,i have a movie film.DAT and i want to burn it as vcd
[10:44] <LjL> bxnp, no, and that can be done. just "man e2fsck" --
[10:44] <LjL>  -c   This  option  causes  e2fsck  to  use  badblocks(8) program to do a read-only scan of the device in order to find any bad blocks.  If any bad blocks are found, they are added to the bad block inode to prevent them from being allocated to a file or directory. 
[10:44] <cpk1> mark__: how can you not have access to the repositories?
[10:44] <SolidSource> yaccin: ok,,,then the script is too old and doesn't work in amarok 1.4.5
[10:44] <yaccin> well it works
[10:44] <yaccin> but i cant change the position
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> hendaus: don't know anything about that...
[10:44] <yaccin> :/
[10:45] <hendaus> :(
[10:45] <ro1> cpk1: Me?
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> hendaus: but there are others here..IDK... maybe they know
[10:46] <cpk1> ro1: yes, you. what kind of card do you have?
[10:46] <ro1> I have a prism2 card
[10:46] <ro1> PCI built on laptop
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> ro1: then that is perfectly normal
[10:46] <firemonkeyballz> nm found it
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> ok..
[10:46] <ro1> the lshw identifies it as ethernet. No wireless extensions
[10:46] <hendaus> nosrednaekim,  :) thanx
[10:46] <ro1> iwconfig doesn't see it
[10:46] <Prollc> how can i clear
[10:47] <Prollc>  / tmp
[10:47] <SolidSource> yaccin: well your just out of luck...I can't even do an install of kirocker since the download is broken
[10:47] <ro1> try /clear
[10:47] <hendaus> can anyhelper helps me!,i have a movie film.DAT and i want to burn it as vcd
[10:47] <yaccin> SolidSource: the download worked for me :/
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> ro1: oh...then thats NOT ok..
[10:47] <ro1> nosrednaekim: and probably most of all no IP address
[10:48] <ro1> the driver listed is prism2_pci which is loaded
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> ummm...what does ifconfig say about it?
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> hi eilker!!
[10:48] <Whopper> hi
[10:48] <ro1> I see from the Wiki page that orinico can also be used. That'sloaded as well on a lsmod
[10:49] <ro1> nosrednaekim: ethernet no IP
[10:49] <Whopper> how do i change the color of the bar on top of a program?
[10:49] <eilker>  nosrednaekim>: hi friend
[10:49] <Prollc> how can i clear tmp
[10:49] <cpk1> ro1: I think http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11b.html#Prism2 is what you want to read up on
[10:50] <firemonkeyballz> http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html dude you should try this
[10:50] <Whopper> how do i change the color of the bar on top of a program?
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> who?
[10:50] <matze> !ntfs-3g
[10:50] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> Whopper: its in the control center under appearance_> color
[10:51] <j_> o
[10:51] <Whopper> how do i get to the control center?
[10:52] <ro1> cpk1: With the prism2_pci loaded lshw says Disabled. how do I get that enabled?
[10:53] <j_> trying to get ssh x11 forwarding to work.  sshd_config does have it set to yes, but applications report being unable to connect to display.  any ideas?  client is setup properlly, x11 forwarding works with other linux boxes
[10:53] <cpk1> first you probably want to unload the orinico mod ro1
[10:53] <SolidSource> Whopper: well for edgy...kubuntu control panel is system settings and then you have to run kcontrol in "run command" for it
[10:53] <ro1> cpk1: can I check why that loaded ? would there be anyother reason than the wireless card?
[10:54] <Whopper> ok
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> j_: do you mean forwarding ALL of x, or just n x progam?
[10:54] <ro1> cpk1: removing it shouldnt shut down anything else on the computer>
[10:54] <ro1> ?
[10:55] <Paleo> hi guyssss
[10:55] <cpk1> ro1: it shouldnt just do modprobe -r nameofmodule
[10:56] <Paleo> how one can install sshd ? apt-get install openssh-server is obsolete, it seems ?
[10:56] <ro1> cpk1: done
[10:56] <cpk1> ro1: and prism2_pci is loaded?
[10:56] <ro1> Yup
[10:56] <ro1> and lshw still says disabled
[10:56] <soulrider> !java
[10:56] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:56] <SolidSource> Paleo: are you using the original sources.list kubuntu came with?
[10:57] <Paleo> yep
[10:57] <ro1> and doesn't display wireless capabilty
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> openssh-server is still a package on my machine
[10:57] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic Paleo
[10:57] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > Paleo
[10:58] <makallius> salve
[10:58] <SolidSource> Paleo: the original doesn't have all the repos..nor all of them enabled as needed
[10:58] <ro1> cpk1: I'm going to reboo and see if the oronico comes back
[10:58] <Paleo> ok
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> although ssh server IS in main
[10:58] <cpk1> ro1: dont
[10:59] <cpk1> you can just modprobe it if you want to insert it again
[10:59] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: some of the main ones aren't even enabled in the original list
[10:59] <pfein_> So I just picked up a second card (USB), in addition to my laptop's built-in one.  How can I get amarok to use it?
[10:59] <ro1> cpk1: I know
[10:59] <ro1> I want to see if it loads byiself
[11:01] <cpk1> cat /etc/modules will tell you...
[11:01] <cpk1> some people...
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> SolidSource: really?
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> pfein_: what kind of card?
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> a flash drive?
[11:01] <SolidSource> nosrednaekim: yeah..its stupid...hell they don't even include the kubuntu repos
[11:01] <j_> nosrednaekim: just one program.  as in ssh -X user@remotebox   and then launching the gui app from there
[11:01] <pfein_> nosrednaekim: the built-in is an AC97, the new one is USB
[11:03] <leiar> Hi! I'm up to installing Kubunt on the teacher's laptops at two schools, but I am not able to get the wireless nic to work. Do you know about any howtos? Trying to prepare myself for tomorrow...
[11:04] <nosrednaekim> j_ oh..ok
[11:04] <nosrednaekim> pfein_: oh...a usb sound card..ah..
[11:04] <firemonkeyballz> yea nos like x-fi
[11:05] <tired_of_working> so, anyone know much about ssh x11 forwarding?
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> pfein_: do you know whether or not its supported in Linux?
[11:05] <domo> ciao ki e' italiano e mi puo aiutareeee
[11:05] <domo> aiutooo
[11:05] <domo> kasjndasd
[11:05] <pfein_> nosrednaekim: the module got loaded & alsa sees it...
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <domo> ki e ialiano e mi puo'aiutare?
[11:06] <pfein_> op: can you boot him pls?
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> pfein_: I think you have to switch devices in kcontrol
[11:07] <pfein_> nosrednaekim: where, though?
[11:07] <cpk1> !it | domo
[11:07] <ubotu> domo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:07] <pfein_> Riddell: thx
[11:07] <leiar> anyone with wireless nic experience
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> pfein_: overwrite default device location?
[11:08] <cpk1> !ask | leiar
[11:08] <ubotu> leiar: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:09] <pfein_> nosrednaekim: in Sound System?  that just lets me choose a driver (ALSA, OSS, etc.)
[11:09] <joha> hi, how can i change the owner of all folders and subfolders (with programs). I need it for the commandline
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> pfein_: yes.. but below that
[11:09] <leiar> sorry
[11:10] <cpk1> pfein_: also you might want to change the default devices in xine
[11:10] <leiar> can't get my wireless card to work. It seems to be disabled, and I can't enable it in Kubuntu.
[11:10] <leiar> Fujitzu Siemens Amilo aomething
[11:11] <q_> idioti
[11:11] <pfein_> cpk1: where's that live?
[11:11] <cpk1> pfein_: easiest way I know of is through kaffeine
[11:11] <pfein_> k
[11:11] <leiar> joha: chown -R owner:owner
[11:12] <pfein_> cpk1, nosrednaekim: hmm, is there a way I could just test this w/ aplay?
[11:12] <Yeason> I'm using beryl and the desktops on the panel are stretched so they take up half the space, does anyone know how to fix this?
[11:12] <leiar> joha: chown -R username
[11:12] <cpk1> pfein_: yes
[11:12] <joha> leiar: muchas gracias, nice to help me so fast
[11:13] <pfein_> cpk1: which would be... ?
[11:13] <cpk1> pfein_: aplay -L will tell you what device you want
[11:13] <malik_> !tv tuner card
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv tuner card - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <malik_> !tvcard
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvcard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <cpk1> patience, I had to remember the command =)
[11:14] <malik_> !tvTuner
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <LjL> !msg the bot
[11:14] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:14] <malik_> !TV
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <LjL> !mythtv | perhaps some useful info here
[11:14] <ubotu> perhaps some useful info here: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[11:14] <cpk1> pfein_: then to specify the device to use its aplay -D device soundfile
[11:14] <LjL> or just go to linuxtv.org
[11:15] <pfein_> cpk1: ok, but how do I figure out which device from aplay -L?  it spews a *lot* of stuff
[11:15] <cpk1> pfein_: at the bottom there should be stuff like this spdif 'cards.pcm.iec958'
[11:16] <cpk1> pfein_: also i think aplay -l tells you the number in X,Y format using card as X and device as Y
[11:17] <r00t__> im haveing problem in fiesty with my dsl staying online especially when i use frostwire,i have the default install along with automatix
[11:18] <cpk1> or aplay might use the hardware addressing in lshw pfein_ =P I cant remember
[11:18] <exs> does anyone know any bootable  ubuntu cd that incorperates the nvidia driver and beryl/compiz so that you can stick it in a computer (without installing) and have the beryl 3d/compiz experience straight away?
[11:19] <pfein_> cpk1: right, it's showing up in both places, I just can't figure out what the correct aplay -D is ...
[11:19] <waylandbill> exs: try sabayonlinux if you want that.
[11:19] <r00t__> exs: you an modify a live cd to include whatever packages you want
[11:19] <LjL> !automatix > r00t__    (r00t__, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:19] <LjL> !feisty > r00t__    (r00t__, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:19] <exs> r00t__:  I don't have time, nor knowledge for that
[11:20] <cpk1> pfein_: do you know the pcm device you want to play?
[11:20] <pfein_> cpk1: from aplay -l, yes. from aplay -L, no.
[11:20] <waylandbill> exs: the sabayon live cd comes pre-setup for that and is listed on beryl's website as such
[11:20] <cpk1> pfein_: ok so aplay -D X,Y soundfile
[11:21] <eilker> !mesa >eilker
[11:21] <r00t__> LjL: opps im not running fiesty just 6.1
[11:21] <exs> waylandbill:  I remember I tried doing this about 4 months ago, it didn't work
[11:21] <r00t__> whats 6.1?dapper?
[11:21] <LjL> 6.10 is Edgy, 6.1 doesn't exist
[11:21] <r00t__> whats the room name for fiesty?
[11:21] <r00t__> LjL: ah
[11:22] <LjL> version numbers are dates, 6.10 is october 2006
[11:22] <cpk1> #ubuntu+1
[11:22] <jan___> hallo zusammen
[11:22] <LjL> !de
[11:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:22] <jan___> kann mir jemand bei der einstellung der bildschirmauflsung helfen
[11:22] <LjL> !de > jan___    (jan___, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:22] <malik_> well the support for tv cards n webcams just sux
[11:23] <cpk1> malik_: actually if you get a pchdtv card support is great
[11:24] <CShadowRun> hey i just managed to get counter strike source working in linux, but the graphics are really messed up
[11:24] <CShadowRun> and my fps is very bad aswell
[11:24] <malik_> i have leadtek win2000 xpert tv card which is pretty darn good card
[11:24] <CShadowRun> what can i do?
[11:25] <CShadowRun> and the writing bugs out if i turn left
[11:25] <HaSH> !webmin
[11:25] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[11:25] <HaSH> hmm whys this?
[11:32] <mijit> moo
[11:34] <pfein_> cpk1: I installed alsaplayer-common, it's a lot less stupid then aplay
[11:35] <pfein_> cpk1: the card works.  Actually, it's a USB FM transmitter, so my *stereo* works.  Neat toy.
[11:35] <KennethP> mijit: The correct syntax is apt-get moo
[11:35] <KiPSeRoN> somone know how to run screenlets
[11:35] <eigentard> hola guys
[11:36] <KiPSeRoN> ?>
[11:36] <eigentard> I'm trying to configure XMMS
[11:36] <eigentard> it's working properly, music is playing and all
[11:36] <eigentard> but for some reason it sounds more muddled than it's supposed to
[11:36] <eigentard> it could be because I've not configured the EQ yet
[11:37] <eigentard> what is the winamp EQ preset file called?
[11:38] <Dumahen> can i upgrade ubuntu 6.06(LTS) to Kubuntu?
[11:38] <eigentard> ah, found the preset files
[11:41] <BluesKaj> !Upgrade | Dumahen
[11:41] <ubotu> Dumahen: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:46] <Alonea> anyone have any experience with installing fglrx drivers for ATI cards on AMD64 machines? Driver wont install http://pastebin.ca/394315
[11:46] <Alonea> also this is what flgrxinfo outputs http://pastebin.ca/395303
[11:52] <pfein_> cpk1: damn, finally got it working, I think, but goddamn, that's not in a friendly place.  thanks for the help.
[11:53] <intelikey> could i trubble someone to    ls -l /dev/pts/0    for me please ?
[11:53] <pfein_> intelikey: crw--w---- 1 pfein tty 136, 0 2007-03-11 10:33 /dev/pts/0
[11:53] <eigentard> why can I not ./configure?
[11:53] <intelikey> thank you.
[11:53] <pfein_> np
[11:53] <intelikey> eigentard no compiler ?
[11:53] <intelikey> !source
[11:53] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[11:53] <eigentard> how do I install a compiler?
[11:54] <intelikey> !tar.gz
[11:54] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[11:54] <intelikey> !build
[11:54] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:54] <intelikey> there  ^
[11:54] <eigentard> ah cool
[11:54] <eigentard> i'll read that when I get back
[11:54] <pfein_> cpk1: huh, works in kaffeine, but not amarok... ah, well
[11:55] <pfein_> ok, NOW it works
[11:55] <pfein_> goodness.
[11:58] <steve> wats up
[11:58] <steve> any 1 here
[11:58] <Alonea> anyone have any experience with installing fglrx drivers for ATI cards on AMD64 machines? Driver wont install http://pastebin.ca/394315
[11:58] <Alonea> also this is what flgrxinfo outputs http://pastebin.ca/395303
[12:04] <Bonaldo2000> how can one convert files from iso-8859-1 to utf8?
[12:05] <LjL> !tcs | Bonaldo2000
[12:05] <ubotu> bonaldo2000: tcs: character set translator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1-10 (edgy), package size 132 kB, installed size 352 kB
[12:05] <Bonaldo2000> thx!
[12:07] <r00t__> how do you edit a file that would require sudo privs yet edit it in a gui?
[12:07] <LjL> r00t__: kdesu kate filename
[12:07] <LjL> !root
[12:07] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.