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UbugtuNew bug: #92083 in blueprint "No obvious way of listing a project's past meetings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9208312:40
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jamDid the Launchpad XMLRPC api change recently?12:57
jamIt seems the 'bzr register-branch" function is broken.12:57
jamI seem to be getting: ForbiddenAttribute: ('publishTraverse' when trying to register a branch.12:57
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mptspiv, do you know the answer to jam's question?01:08
jamI just filed bug 92097 about it01:09
UbugtuMalone bug 92097 in launchpad-bazaar "Failure to 'bzr register-branch'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9209701:09
jamwhich includes a traceback01:09
UbugtuNew bug: #92097 in launchpad-bazaar "Failure to 'bzr register-branch'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9209701:15
jampoolie was able to confirm that 'register-branch' failed for him.01:15
pooliei thought someone added a lp test that called the rpc in the same way bzr does01:17
pooliehowever, perhaps it was not realistic wrt authentication 01:17
spivmpt: no, I dont'01:17
jampoolie, It wouldn't be possible to have a 'junk' user register 'junk' branches?01:22
pooliedo you mean to register unowned branches without authenticating?01:33
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ddaagood night guys02:16
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beunoddaa: g'night02:18
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jampoolie, no, I mean that the test suite needs to have some authentication tests anyway, so why not use whatever "trash/junk/test/whatever" user that it already needs.02:49
poolieit was just a random guess for why they haven't caught it 02:52
pooliebut the most likely answer may be that it's just not tested02:52
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indylarryCan someone tell me how to change the address my Launhpad related mail goes to.  I can see to find a place to change it.03:14
lifelesschangeyour primary mail in launchpad03:15
indylarryYes.  I click on my screen name and it shows my mail in a box, but it is not editable.03:17
indylarryI am logged in.03:17
lifelessyou need to add a new address03:17
lifelessthen you choose between them03:17
beunolifeless: not very user-friendly if you think about it  :D03:19
indylarryYeah.  I thought that was what I was going to have to do.  Thanks.03:20
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cprovstub: ping04:17
cprovstub: well, it's too late, I'm going to bed. I hope you can perform the DBA request with the proper table name (binarypackagefile). 04:25
cprovgood night !04:26
stubcprov: ok04:26
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cprov-ZzZstub: ahh, great04:26
cprov-ZzZif you are doing it now I'm going to wait and test04:26
stubcprov-ZzZ: I can't delete the binarypackagename rows - they are still referenced elsewhere04:28
stubI don't think there is any problem with leaving them, unless this indicates the ids are wrong in any of the queries?04:29
cprov-ZzZstub: this is weird, because the only binaries that use those names are not published04:29
cprov-ZzZstub: the bpn will be reused if necessary later, it's not a problem if they remain 04:30
stublaunchpad_prod=# select id from binarypackagerelease where binarypackagename in (109160,106161);04:31
stub   id   04:31
stub 86656204:31
stub 84022704:31
stub 84052804:31
stub 84096204:31
stub 84119404:31
stub(5 rows)04:31
stublaunchpad_prod=# select binarypackagerelease.id,binarypackagename.name from binarypackagename,binarypackagerelease where binarypackagename in (109160,106161) and binarypackagename.id = binarypackagename;04:32
stub   id   |                    name                    04:32
stub 866562 | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-11-itanium04:32
stub 840227 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di04:32
stub 840528 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di04:32
stub 840962 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di04:32
stub 841194 | serial-modules-2.6.20-6-generic-di04:32
stub(5 rows)04:32
stubMore rubbish to clear, or the other releases fine?04:32
cprov-ZzZwait, the bpn are in sequence (109160, 109161)04:34
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poolie jamesh: ping?05:24
jameshpoolie: hi05:25
pooliejamesh: hi, was just wondering about codebrowse05:25
poolieshould you own it -- are you happy to/do you have time?05:26
pooliealso, is it stable enough that we could link to it from at least the launchpad beta site?05:26
spivI think we should link it from beta.05:27
jameshI am happy to do maintenance on it.  I don't know if I'd have time to do too much work on loggerhead itself though05:28
jameshlinking it from beta sounds like a good idea05:28
pooliejamesh, will you make those links, or should someone else? (tim/jml)05:30
jameshI can put together a branch for that.05:31
pooliejamesh, thanks very much05:38
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UbugtuNew bug: #92133 in launchpad-bazaar "add explanation on branch page for import branches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9213305:40
FujitsuIs codebrowse meant to actually work? I've tried it a number of times over the past couple of months, and it just seems to wait, and wait.... and wait.... and wait.05:46
jameshFujitsu: it has had some reliability problems05:47
jamesh(which aren't completely fixed)05:47
jameshwe've banned robots from the site, which should reduce the problems though05:47
spivFujitsu: also05:48
spivFujitsu: http://, not https://05:48
spivFujitsu: one of those will wait and wait and wait :)05:49
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FujitsuI've been using HTTP... it still just sits there doing nothing.05:50
Fujitsu(unless I specify a URL giving a 404)05:50
FujitsuIt apparently just went into an infinite redirect loop, too.05:50
jameshFujitsu: what URL were you browsing to?06:01
jameshFujitsu: you aren't the first to hit this one, and I'd like to be able to debug it06:02
FujitsuWell, I think it's valid, as others 404...06:02
Fujitsu /~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu06:02
FujitsuIt redirects to /~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu/changes, then infinitely.06:02
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mptFujitsu, that's bug 8985406:10
UbugtuMalone bug 89854 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse fails with infinite redirections" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8985406:10
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FujitsuThanks mpt.06:16
LaserJockmpt: problem resolved, thanks ;-)06:17
Fujitsujamesh: You now have a URL and request time, as asked :P06:17
jameshFujitsu: okay.  Looks like this is related to the Berkeley DB corruption problem06:24
jameshcould you try again to see if it is repeatable?06:24
jamesh(I've cleared the cache)06:24
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FujitsuIt works!06:25
jameshstill doesn't answer the question though :(06:25
FujitsuWhich question? Why it gets corrupt?06:27
jameshbecause it is Berkeley DB?06:28
jameshthat's what BDB does :)06:29
FujitsuHeheh. Why does it use BDB?06:29
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jameshFujitsu: robey used the anydbm python module for loggerhead, which picks Berkeley DB06:33
Fujitsumpt: Shouldn't bugs.beta.launchpad.net in any context lead you to the same place as clicking the `Bugs' tab?06:58
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mptFujitsu, yes, please report bugs where it doesn't07:09
FujitsuThat I shall do.07:09
Fujitsubugs. doesn't do anything on source packages at all.07:09
FujitsuAgainst launchpad or malone?07:11
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Fujitsujamesh: The MTBF of codebrowse seems to be rather low... it's dead again.09:04
mdkeyou know when LP dropped the use of "distro" and "product" in the url to make the urls shorter and more logical? Why didn't that happen as well for "+source"?09:04
jameshmdke: you mean for things like /ubuntu/+source/packagename?09:05
sabdflmdke: because the "default" traverse after a distro is the release name09:05
mdkeit annoys me to type the +source bit, and also I know that most users are going to look at it and wonder what it means09:06
sabdfl /ubuntu/feisty/09:06
jameshmdke: imagine a source package names feisty or dapper09:06
sabdflif we don't have some sort of modifier in there, we have to say... what jamesh said09:06
jameshFujitsu: it seems to be working for me.  Can you give more details?09:06
jameshFujitsu: I don't see any BDB exceptions09:06
mdkesabdfl: I see. Is that the only reason?09:07
FujitsuWell, I just got a 500 from it.09:07
FujitsuOh, HTTPS.09:07
sabdflmdke: yes. for each object, we define a "default traverse" and then n "alternative traverses"09:08
sabdflin the case of distro, we decided that releases are a natural default09:08
sabdflso youcan also have /ubuntu/feisty/+source/apache209:08
jameshFujitsu: yeah.  I need to file an RT request about getting https://codebrowse.launchpad.net to redirect rather than time out09:08
sabdflwhich will tell you about the history of the apache2 source in *feisty*09:08
mdkeI don't really think the fact that bugs are filed against a distribution without a release name (lp.net/ubuntu/bugs/#) while translations are against a release (lp.net/ubuntu/feisty/translation) either, but I think that's a different question09:09
jameshmdke: pretty much every place you see a plus in a URL in Launchpad, it is for disambiguation09:09
Fujitsusabdfl: But distros/products/projects are merged into the one namespace. It'd be nice to have distroreleases and source packages do the same.09:09
jameshmdke: bugs can be targetted to a distro release09:09
jameshin which case they show up under that release too09:09
sabdflFujitsu: you can only merge into one namespace if you control the namespace09:10
sabdflwe don't control the source package name namespace for other distros09:10
mdkejamesh: i know that, however, Ubuntu doesn't do that09:10
Fujitsusabdfl: True... But what are the chances of a package conflicting?09:10
Fujitsumdke: Don't we? I do it regularly.09:10
jameshmdke: some developers have been using the feature09:10
sabdflmdke: ubuntu will do that for feisty+1, the mechanism did not exist for feisty09:10
Fujitsusabdfl: (ie. can't they be blacklisted or something?)09:10
jameshmdke: it is fairly recent09:10
sabdflFujitsu: non-zero09:10
sabdfland no, they can't be blacklisted in other distros09:11
mdkeah. last time I looked there were just a couple of bugs on specific releases09:11
sabdflLP will in due course allow you to browser the debian archive, for example09:11
FujitsuAh, the other distro problem.09:11
mdkeFujitsu: can't be that regular, there are 7 bugs on feisty09:11
Fujitsumdke: Look at Edgy now... Well over 100.09:11
sabdflit's used for backports, for example09:11
Fujitsumdke: We don't use it much for Feisty bugs. Generally for SRUs/backports.09:11
sabdflthe mechanism was only introduced during feisty, iirc09:11
jameshFujitsu: if the BDB corruption occurs again, you should end up with a 500 error page rather than the redirect loop now09:11
Fujitsusabdfl: I believe so.09:11
mdkewell, if it's going to be clarified in the future, then it might be worth keeping the release name in the url I guess09:12
Fujitsujamesh: I saw that on the bug :) Thanks!09:12
mdkeshame you can't remove +source though09:12
Fujitsumdke: I must agree :(09:12
jameshin some ways it'd be nice if product series and distro releases weren't the default traverse09:13
jameshso e.g. specifications could be the default traverse on blueprints.launchpad.net09:14
jameshand bugs on bugs.launchpad.net09:14
FujitsuThat would make sense, but then so does the distrorelease default.09:14
popeyguys, is there an agenda for this mornings meeting or is it mainly a Q&A session?09:17
mdkehiya popey 09:18
mdkewhoa! team-membership-janitor?09:27
mdkethat took me aback a bit09:27
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Hobbseehi carlos 09:36
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mdkecarlos: looks like some of the ubuntu-docs templates are arriving. one thing - the serverguide.pot template has disappeared (and appears to have been replaced by server.pot)09:57
mdkeany ideas?09:57
carlosmdke: isn't it the same? I didn't see the serverguide one and checked the content and found some strings equal so I renamed it09:58
carlosI guess it was not the right thing to do... 09:58
mdkethe package has serverguide.pot09:58
mdkei think I'd prefer it named like that for ease of using the translations09:58
carlosbut is server.pot a valid one?09:59
carlosI mean, another valid template?09:59
mdkecarlos: no10:00
mdkeit may have been in an earlier version of ubuntu-docs, but it shouldn't be in the current one10:00
carlosOh, that's it10:00
carloswe have all .pot releases in the queue10:00
mdkeah right10:01
carlosso I approved an old one (the newer ones are autoaproved later)10:01
carlosso it's just a matter of rename it10:01
FujitsuIs the bug Activity Log likely to be made useful again at some point?10:02
carlosabout the missing ones, don't worry I'm doing that task now with everything missing in Feisty, but I do it in small batches to prevent any long lock of the imports10:02
FujitsuIt doesn't display any of the more modern actions (adding of branches, tags, changing of tasks)10:02
carlosBjornT: ^^^10:02
mdkecarlos: great. the majority are there10:02
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BjornTFujitsu: yes, there is a plan for improving the activity log, and even showing it interleaved with the comments on the bug page.10:04
BjornTFujitsu: i can't give you an eta for when that will happen, though10:05
carlosmdke: ok10:05
FujitsuBjornT: OK... It'd be nice to be able to see who did stuff to bugs and when.10:05
t_anjanGuys, I need some help. I seem to have "disabled my account forever" through the Wiki User Preferences page. Is it possible for a sys-admin to re-activate my account for me? Sorry for the trouble.....10:05
BjornTFujitsu: but i think it's getting more and more annoying, so we probably should bump up the priority on that one.10:05
FujitsuBjornT: I agree with that, of course.10:06
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dfarning@schedule chicago10:11
Hobbseedammit.  launchpad *is* getting my account spammed.10:11
Hobbseei think10:11
FujitsuHobbsee: What gives you that idea?10:12
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HobbseeFujitsu: because i swapped my email address over, and that got spammed10:13
popeyGood morning mr revell10:13
mrevellApologies for being late, I got held up on a train,10:13
FujitsuHi mrevell.10:13
dfarningmrevell, good morning10:13
Hobbseebut i'd forgotten that my @ubuntu.com would have gotten redirected to that as well10:13
mrevellSo, welcome to the second Launchpad user's meeting.10:13
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Hobbseeheya mrevell 10:13
popeymission accomplished10:13
mrevellHow many people are here for the user meeting?10:13
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mrevellcool :) Welcome10:13
mrevellOkay, so here's the agenda:10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      Welcome10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      Agenda10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      Introduction to the Launchpad developers are who present10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      Invitation to beta team10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      Annoyance of the week10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      User questions10:14
mrevell    *10:14
mrevell      Next meeting10:14
mrevellSo, are any Launchpad developers present for this meeting?10:14
BjornTi'm here10:14
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mrevellHey BjornT, thanks for joining us.10:15
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mrevellOkay, so, this is going to be a reasonably quick meeting, I think, as we don't have any user-submitted questions this week.10:15
mrevellI publicised this meeting less than the first, which explains it.10:15
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carlosI'm here too10:15
mrevellHey Carlos :)10:16
popeywe have to submit questions in advance?10:16
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mrevellIf any of you guys are not yet in the beta team, please do sign up.10:16
mrevellpopey: Not at all10:16
mrevellpopey: There's an opportunity to, though :)10:16
mrevellSo, to sign up for the beta, please visit:10:16
mrevellThen email me to let me know you agree not to post screen shots.10:17
mrevellOkay, "annoyance of the week". What's caused you guys problems, whilst using Launchpad, this week?10:17
popeymy own stupidity pasting urls with .beta. in the middle of them10:17
Hobbseethe timeouts10:18
Hobbseeand the beta.10:18
popeythe text is too small in the beta site10:18
FujitsuMy usual bug #61024.10:18
UbugtuMalone bug 61024 in malone "+packagebugs could have better filtering." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6102410:18
mrevellpopey: Ah, well, that's a valid annoyance and we have filed a bug that says those should redirect back to the production site.10:18
mrevellHobbsee: We've made some improvements to the code and have upgraded the database server10:18
mrevellHobbsee: so, you *should* notice a great improvement in timeouts etc10:18
mrevellHobbsee: Have you experienced timeout problems recently?10:19
Hobbseeyes, it's helping.  still not great though10:19
Hobbseemrevell: it's taking ~10 seconds for apges to fully load, instead of 30+10:19
mrevellHobbsee: All the time, or just some of the time?10:19
FujitsuHobbsee: Turning on SSL disk caching helps greatly.10:19
Hobbseemrevell: seems to be on the first view.  not sure10:19
popeyFujitsu: top tip, thanks10:19
Fujitsubrowser.cache.disk_cache_ssl is Epiphany/Firefox10:20
mrevellFujitsu: Thanks for the tip. You shouldn't have to do that, though, and I know the guys are working to improve performance.10:20
mrevellHobbsee: At all times of the day?10:20
Hobbseemrevell: havent noticed.  i've not been here a lot10:20
BjornTFujitsu: i have a fix coming up for bug 70628. it will allow you to use the advanced search to get the bugs listed on +packagebugs, and will of course allow you to do filtering as well.10:21
UbugtuMalone bug 70628 in malone "Allow searching for a bug contact's bugs" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70628 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)10:21
HobbseeFujitsu: ahh, will try10:21
mrevellHobbsee: Okay. Thanks for raising the issue. It's an important one and we are working to improve performance. I'm sorry it's be less than ideal.10:21
FujitsuBjornT: I love you!10:21
Hobbseemrevell: of course, i'm australian, so i'd be viewing at odd times anyway10:21
FujitsuFinally finally finally.10:21
mrevellHobbsee: It's an international service, so there's no such thing as an odd time of the day :) Launchpad should be fast wherever you are, provided you have good net access.10:22
mrevellthanks BjornT10:22
Hobbseemrevell: true that10:22
mrevellpopey: Text size10:22
Fujitsumrevell: Australia and good net access don't go in the same sentence.10:22
mrevellpopey: I think you've raised this one the launchpad-users lists. Am I right?10:22
popeyothers have though10:22
HobbseeFujitsu: true, but LP is poor compared to most10:23
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mrevellpopey: Ah, okay. Are you happy with the responses the LP team have posted on there?10:23
FujitsuBye Hobbsee 10:23
mrevellHobbsee: thanks for coming, bye!10:23
Hobbsee(damn dinnertime)10:23
popeymrevell: I'll go read10:23
FujitsuHobbsee: Dinner at 20:30? Interesting.10:24
mrevellpopey: sorry, that wasn't a "Go read it" command :) I just wanted to know where you were coming from10:24
HobbseeFujitsu: that's early for here.  10:24
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mrevellpopey: Please do raise your issues here. I think the issue you're likely to raise is, "The text size is too small" :) But is there more you want to add?10:24
popeyto that or to other things?10:24
mrevellpopey: text size, in this case.10:25
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popeyno, i just find it hard to read sometimes10:25
popeyI'm no spring chicken, but I don't have especially bad eyes10:25
popeyi.e. not an old fart10:25
mrevellpopey: Ah, you always seem quite sprightly to me.10:25
mrevellpopey: Does the colour make it worse?10:26
popeyI guess, yes10:26
popeynot tremendously contrasty 10:26
popeyhttps://answers.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/4191 for example, grey text on white10:26
popeyits not impossible to read, just not *that* easy10:27
mrevellIf mpt is around, he might be able to give you some input on why the text is as it is and would also be happy to take your feedback.10:27
mrevellFor anyone that doesn't know, mpt is Launchpad usability chief.10:27
popeyI can understand from an aesthetic pov10:27
popeyhowever IMO a large number of people "dip" into lp so speed is important10:27
mrevellpopey: Yes, that's a great point. Thanks.10:28
popeywe cant spend ages reading hard-to-read text10:28
popeyI guess that's all I have to say about that10:28
mrevellpopey: It looks as though mpt might not be available atm. So, I'll pass it to him and mail a response to the launchpad-users list.10:29
mrevellpopey: thanks for raising it10:29
popeyok, cool, thanks10:29
mrevellThanks everyone for raising your annoyances!10:29
mrevellOkay, so onto user questions.10:29
mrevellAs I said previously, we don't have any pre-submitted questions.10:29
mrevellSo, please fire away.10:29
mrevellDoes anyone have a question for the Launchpad team?10:30
popeyi have a couple of feature requests, appropriate to mention now?10:30
mrevellpopey: PLease do!10:30
dfarningmrevell, I have got my standard should we encourage derivatives to use LP10:30
popeyIn the support ticket system Can we please have it so I can mention "ticket 1234" and it get turned into a URL in the same way I can mention "bug 1234" and that gets turned into a bug url?10:30
mrevelldfarning: Cool. Let's talk about that next.10:30
UbugtuBug 1234 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 is private10:31
mrevellThanks to Ubugtu there :)_10:31
Fujitsupopey: That sounds trivial and FiF-ish.10:31
popeythat kinda proves my point too :)10:31
popeythe bug bots should also be able to pick out tickets10:31
popeyas well as bugs10:31
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Fujitsupopey: That's pending on there being a text representation (like +bugs-text)10:31
popeyso it has a pre-requisite then which needs fulfilling?10:32
FujitsuNot sure if there's a bug about it.10:33
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mrevellBjornT: I know you're a Malone guy, but are you able to say whether it's possible to enter an answer tracker number into the search box on the Answer Tracker?10:33
Fujitsumrevell: That's not what popey's referring to, I don't think...10:33
mrevellFujitsu: Apologies10:33
mrevellpopey: Can you explain in words that an idiot like me can understand? :)10:34
Fujitsumrevell: you can say `bug X' in a bug comment, and it'll linkify it.10:34
FujitsuA similar thing should be possible for tickets.10:34
popeyok lets say I am answering a question..10:34
mrevellFujitsu: Ah, got ya10:34
BjornTmrevell: no, it's not possible yet.10:34
popeyand it has already been answered10:34
popeyyup, what he said10:34
mrevellBjornT: Is it feasible?10:34
BjornTmrevell: it'd be trivial to add, though.10:34
mrevellBjornT: Is it most appropriate for popey to raise a bug or a blueprint?10:35
BjornTmrevell, popey: a bug should be enough for now.10:35
carlospopey: FiF is 'Fix it Friday' we tag easy bugs to fix in one day with that tag so we take that kind of easy and fast bugs on Fridays to fix small annoyances 10:35
popeyahh thanks carlos 10:35
popeywill do BjornT 10:35
popey(I have two more of these to mention) :)10:36
Fujitsupopey: bug #38381 is the +text for support tickets bug.10:36
UbugtuMalone bug 38381 in launchpad-answers "Please add a /+text for the support requests too" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3838110:36
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mrevellAh, right, so that's for Ubugtu, got ya.10:37
mrevellSo, popey, are you happy to raise a bug ticket?10:37
popeyagainst what?10:37
mrevellpopey: https://beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers10:38
mrevellpopey: What was your next question/request?10:38
popeyhmm, I actually have one more thing, not two, just noticed one has been implemented already \o/10:38
popeyCan we have per-user macros. I find myself saying the same thing to people on support requests. It would be nice to have some phrases that I can use shortcuts for. If there was a little pick list that I could maintain myself that would be very handy.10:38
mrevellpopey: That's a cool idea.10:39
popeyeither ajaxy drag and drop thing or just a pick list10:39
Fujitsupopey: That'd be nice for bugs too, of course.10:39
popeyyou could have nice little abbreviations like "FOAD" :)10:40
popeymaybe it could be done with simple regexp10:40
popeyI type !nvidia! and what appears is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia   for example10:41
mrevellBjornT: Sorry to bug you again, but does this seem like something we might be able to do one day?10:42
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BjornTmrevell: one day, yes. but i don't know which day :) (and it'll probably take more than one day to do)10:43
mrevellBjornT: Yeah, sure :)10:43
indravenikiko-zzz, hi10:43
mrevellpopey: This sounds like a good candidate for a blueprint.10:43
popeyI'll file a whishlist bug10:43
indravenikiko-zzz, I registered our BOSS distribution in launchpad10:43
mrevellpopey: I'll happily help you with the blueprint :)10:43
popeythat would be helpful10:44
popeyI have other blueprints I need to write10:44
indravenikiko-zzz,  and I would like to know how I can use the other features of launchpad like ROsetto (for transaltion) etc10:44
popeyI need an easy one to start with10:44
Fujitsumrevell: Considering we can't access the LP spec wiki...10:44
mrevellpopey: And I'd suggest using the Ubuntu wiki for the spec details10:44
mrevellFujitsu: True, but that's not to stop anyone from filing the actual spec content on other wikis.10:45
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mrevellindraveni: Welcome!10:45
mrevellindraveni: I believe kiko-zzz will be with in us in a couple of hours.10:45
mrevellindraveni: However, I may be able to help you. We're having a Launchpad user meeting at the moment, but I'll have time after the meeting to talk with you.10:45
indravenimrevell, ok , then after how much time you can come back10:46
mrevellpopey: ping after this, if you want me to work with you on it. The Blueprint track is really cool10:46
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mrevellindraveni: Is 15 minutes okay for you?10:46
popeythanks mrevell 10:46
mrevellpopey: No problem :) Out of interest, what was the other thing you were going to raise?10:47
popeyI am done with my questions10:47
popey"The answers system doesn't search for existing answers when someone types a summary in the same way malone does. Can this be implemented? e.g. visit https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addticket and type "nvidia" in the summary box. "10:47
popeybut it does :)10:47
indravenimrevell, yes, thankyou10:47
indravenimrevell, will meet you after 15 mins then10:47
mrevellindraveni: Excellent, thanks.10:47
mrevellpopey: Cool, thanks10:47
mrevelldfarning: Hey10:47
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dfarning1.  Are we encouraging derivatives to use LP?10:48
mrevelldfarning: Tell everyone more about your derivative ideas10:48
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mrevellFujitsu: Thanks for joining h10:48
dfarningbasically I am trying to lower the bar for the ubuntu community to work with derivatives10:48
dfarningmake lp work better for derivatives10:49
dfarningderivatieves range from localizations to linspire;)10:49
mrevelldfarning: Do you have any practical examples of how you feel LP could be easier for derivatives to use?10:50
mrevellcarry on10:50
dfarningone is adding the ability for downstream issue tracker to get reports from LP on bug that they have reported10:50
dfarninga second is to insure that issues get reported to the correct distros issue handler10:52
mrevelldfarning: Once we have implemented Launchpad XML-RPC interface, downstream bug trackers could be amended to talk to Launchpad.10:52
dfarningok, i'll look into that.10:53
mrevelldfarning: I'll dig out the relevant blueprint for you.10:53
dfarningmy main question is should we encourage downstreams to use LP10:54
mrevelldfarning: Ping me later to discuss what more info you need, but you can see the summary at https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/xmlrpc10:54
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mrevelldfarning: We definitely want to encourage derivatives to use Launchpad and Bazaar.10:55
mrevelldfarning: I think the next question, though is, how do we go about it?10:55
dfarningdo this hold true for all sizes of derivatives10:55
mrevelldfarning: And this is a great place to raise this sort of question, thanks.10:55
mrevelldfarning: Yes, absolutely. Launchpad is a fantastic system and Ubuntu derivatives can get even more out being an Ubuntu derivative by using all of Launchpad collaboration features.10:56
mrevelldfarning: The question, though, is how we go about it.10:56
dfarningin terms of implementing, I am work on a tutorial on how to help locoalization set up simple locializations10:57
popeywhat do the derivs do now if not use lp?10:57
dfarningthen working on more involved distros like fluxbuntu10:57
dfarningsome use bugzilla10:58
popeytheir own? or our upstream ones like gnome?10:58
dfarningsome just ignore the issue;( mostly the little guys10:58
dfarningusually their own with like 20 reported issues;(10:58
mrevellpopey: Linspire, for example, have a load of Bugzilla installs, they have their own IRMA translations system and I'm not sure what they do for spec tracking10:58
dfarningoften very small10:58
popeyso there is definate mileage in convincing them to move into lp10:59
dfarningI think so just don't want to abuse the LP infrastructure;)10:59
popeynot sure it would be abuse would it?11:00
popeyI can see canonical rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of extra projects in lp :)11:00
popey(I only said canonical there so I didn't individually point anyone out as being evil or anything ) :)11:01
dfarninghaving some of the rather large distro start reporting to LP could amount to a rather large amount or traffic11:01
popeylike linspire ?11:01
UbugtuNew bug: #92185 in launchpad "OOPS reports should take into account Retries" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9218511:01
popeypick off the little ones first? :)11:01
mrevellpopey, dfarning: The best way that we can handle encouraging derivatives to use Launchpad is to speak to me or statik (Elliot Murphy, one of my Canonical colleagues)11:01
popeysounds like a plan11:02
mrevellWe can work with derivatives to help them move over to Launchpad etc11:02
dfarningok, another implementation issues is how to insure that issues get reported against the correct distro11:02
mrevelldfarning: Your input in telling derivatives about Launchpad is fantastic.11:02
popeyyeah, sounds like a top idea11:02
dfarningmrevell, ty11:02
dfarningfor example if i have a new distro called dubuntu and have 10 customize packages11:03
dfarningI would like the non custom stuff to report against ubuntu and my custom stuff to report against my distro11:04
mrevelldfarning: To make it most effective, we need to keep up good communication. So, statik is absolutely the best person to talk to derivatives about using Launchpad. If you have contacts who are interested in LP, or you spot a new derivative, ping or email me or statik.11:04
dfarningmrevell, will do11:04
mrevelldfarning: This is all11:04
mrevellreally interesting11:04
mrevelland it's great to see such enthusiasm for Launchpad :)11:04
dfarningThat is it for now;)11:05
mrevelldfarning: Thanks.11:05
popeymrevell: are you aware of cubuntu? the command line only derivative of ubuntu?11:05
popeyhttp://alecjw.googlepages.com/ 11:05
dfarningI sure that I will have more issues in the future11:05
mrevellpopey: I've not come across that before, thanks.11:05
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mrevelldfarning: I think it's important that you keep in contact with statik on these issues, so that we don't get cross-wires when talking to people, etc11:06
mrevellOkay, well, we've over-run slightly, so it's time to set the next meeting date and time11:06
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mrevellI propose Wednesday 21st at 17:00 again. Or should we look at a different time to cover a different part of the world?11:07
mrevelldfarning: It's Elliot Murphy.11:07
popeysounds good to me11:08
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dfarningtime is good for me also11:08
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mrevellThanks all.11:09
mrevelldfarning: And thanks for that.11:09
mrevellindraveni: Hello11:09
=== dfarning got to go get the kids ready for school
mrevelldfarning: Good luck :)11:10
indravenimrevell, hello11:10
dfarningmrevell, you are welcome11:10
indravenimrevell, meeting over?11:10
mrevellindraveni: Hi! So, you want to talk about how to get BOSS Linux using Launchpad?11:10
mrevellindraveni: Yes, the meeting's over, thanks.11:10
indravenimrevell, yes11:10
indravenimrevell, I have already registered BOSS in launchpad and kiko helped me for that11:11
mrevellindraveni: Great news.11:11
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mrevellindraveni: What do you want to use Launchpad for?11:11
indravenimrevell, now I would like to know more about launchpad usage11:11
indravenimrevell, let me tell you step by step11:12
mrevellindraveni: Please do.11:12
indravenimrevell, I read something about Rosetto, and it used for transalting packages11:12
indravenimrevell, is it similar to localizing a pacakge into our custom language11:13
indravenimrevell, if so how to use it11:13
mrevellindraveni: Yes, Launchpad Translations (also called Rosetta) is a web-based way for people to translate software.11:13
indravenimrevell, ok, so, how can I use it11:13
mrevellindraveni: Let me see if I can find a good person to help you.11:14
indravenimrevell, I think we are given only the bug, support and specification tracking features11:14
indravenimrevell, ok11:15
mrevellindraveni: I think one of my colleagues would be the best person to speak to you. He's based in the US, so he hasn't started work just yet11:16
mrevellindraveni: Could I take your email address and ask him to contact you later today?11:16
indravenimrevell, ok sure11:16
mrevellindraveni: Thanks :)11:16
indravenimrevell, indraveni@yahoo.co.in11:16
mrevellindraveni: Thank you. I'll ask him to contact you.11:17
indravenimrevell, please ask him to tell me the details about the usage of Rosetto, Soyuz, Maloni and Bazaar11:17
indraveniin launchpad11:17
mrevellindraveni: I certainly will. thank you for your interest.11:17
indravenimrevell, Thankyou11:17
mrevellno problem11:18
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indravenimrevell, hello11:24
indravenimrevell, can you give me a small info please11:24
indravenimerriam, kiko previuosly told me that, only some featuers of launchpad are available for free and for making the other packages free, it will take some time. Now are they all free?11:25
indravenimrevell,  kiko previuosly told me that, only some featuers of launchpad are available for free and for making the other packages free, it will take some time. Now are they all free?11:25
indravenisorry merriam , by mistake I addressed the message to you11:25
mrevellindraveni: I'm about to take a call but my colleague, Elliot, will be able to take you through that.11:26
indravenimrevell, ok11:26
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sabdflhow do i see the first line of the output of a command? i.e. what's the cut / sed / grep / etc command?11:31
sabdflsay I wanted to see the first line of ls, i could type ls | ???11:31
popeyhead -n 111:32
popeyopposite of tail11:32
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sabdflthanks popey11:33
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sabdflanother question - how do I echo some text *without* a newline? so the next thing continues that line?11:51
sabdflecho -n11:52
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cprovmorning !12:21
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=== Hobbsee counts...24 seconds to load a launchpad page...
FujitsuHobbsee: Have you got the caching setting on? That should reduce it to 3-4.12:41
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HobbseeFujitsu: i turned it on, yes.12:42
Hobbseento positive that i've restarted LP though12:42
FujitsuI wouldn't have thought you would have restarted LP. You don't have such powahs.12:43
Hobbseeer, firefox12:43
Hobbseeah.  8 seconds.  that's better.12:43
UbugtuNew bug: #30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3060212:46
LarstiQHobbsee: you're in Australia/New Zealand?12:47
HobbseeLarstiQ: australia, yes12:47
LarstiQHobbsee: yeah, then the latency will hurt :(12:47
Hobbseebut nto usually that bad, for most websites...12:48
mrevellFujitsu: With regard to caching, we're starting to ask that beta people don't use the SSL caching. LP - even from Australia - should be responsive and work smoothly, without caching. So, it'd be cool if you could turn it off and describe your experience on launchpad-users.12:48
FujitsuI'm getting about 3 seconds on average with the caching.12:48
Fujitsumrevell: That's not really bearable.12:49
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Hobbseewhat, the 3 seconds?12:49
mrevellFujitsu: Have you tried it recently?12:49
FujitsuHobbsee: The 20 seconds without it.12:49
mrevellFujitsu: I know the guys have made some pretty good performance improvements lately.12:49
Fujitsumrevell: I configured the caching on a new box a couple of days back, so it was slow then.12:49
Hobbseemrevell: well, i just tried - it was 24.  before the improvements, ti was probably closer to 50.12:49
Hobbseeand my connection's not that crap - not my home one, anyway12:50
Hobbseewhich makes launchpad unusable12:50
mrevellHobbsee: Hmm.12:50
Fujitsu15 seconds to load /ubuntu without caching.12:50
mrevellFujitsu: hmm12:50
FujitsuNot as bad as it used to be, though.12:50
mrevellI'm sorry that it's still not usable.12:50
mrevellSo, to render a standard bug info page takes 50 seconds?12:51
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FujitsuHobbsee: You don't have your panel clock displaying seconds?12:51
Fujitsumrevell: Maybe 25.12:51
LarstiQmrevell: under 3 seconds without caching12:51
Hobbseeit's 10sec to the standard LP page12:51
FujitsuLarstiQ: You silly Europeans with low-latency, high-bandwidth links.12:52
HobbseeFujitsu: no, i've got enough stuff there12:52
LarstiQFujitsu: guilty as charged12:52
mrevellFor me it's nigh on instant12:52
mrevellI have no caching12:52
Fujitsu18 seconds for bugs/4315012:52
popeygoing through my crappy broadband over an ssh tunnel from work12:52
popey4 seconds here12:53
mrevellFujitsu: So, I'm not tell you that to make you envious12:53
Hobbseebug 4315012:53
UbugtuMalone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4315012:53
mrevellI am worried though that you guys are getting a lower quality experience than you should12:53
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mrevellhey salgado12:53
mrevellWhat's your load time like on beta page12:53
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Hobbseemrevell: 25 seconds to load the bug mentioend above into a usable state (ie, text, with barely any graphics), 28 seconds for full load12:54
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mrevellmatsubara: What's your load time like for rendering a bug page in beta, from Brazil? Fujitsu and Hobbsee are reporting very slow times for Aus.12:55
salgadohi mrevell 12:55
salgadoit's not too slow here. took less than 10s to load my home page12:55
salgadolet me try a bug listing page12:55
salgadohmmm. even quicker12:56
Hobbseesalgado: clear cache first?12:56
popeyi am finding launchpad.net waaay slower than beta.launchpad.net12:56
FujitsuA couple of weeks back someone (one of the sysadmins, AFAICR) asked me to download an ISO from a server on the same connection, and it was pathetically slow, whereas to others in the DC it was fine. He found it odd.12:56
Fujitsupopey: Lucky.12:56
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matsubaramrevell: using shift + reload, opening a random bug page I've got 15.89ms12:57
mrevellmatsubara, salgado: thanks guys12:58
matsubaramrevell: 3.25s using a reload only (which uses the cached stuff in my browser)12:59
LarstiQFujitsu: that was elmo12:59
FujitsuLarstiQ: Ah yes, that's right. I thought it was one of those four.01:00
salgadoHobbsee, took around 15s without cache01:00
Hobbseethat's....still unacceptable, for a webpage, but it's better than what we're getting01:00
Fujitsusalgado: That's more like it. We're not meant to have cache.01:01
FujitsuHobbsee: I'm down to around 20... What ISP are you on?01:01
HobbseeFujitsu: bigpond01:01
Hobbseeyeah, well01:02
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Hobbseebut compared to other crappy load times, LP is terrible - it's all relative01:02
FujitsuStill, a couple of seconds isn't much difference.01:02
Hobbseeactually, bigpond is reasonably fast, it just goes down occasionally01:02
Hobbseeexetel's been worse recently, amazingly enough01:02
ZnarlFujitsu : ISO/archive/security mirror systems are on a different network to Launchpad/other DC machines.  Poor network preformance to mirrors systems is not a sign launchpad/other DC systems are also poor generally.01:04
FujitsuZnarl: elmo said the system I tested from was on the same connection.01:05
FujitsuI think..01:06
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KmosHobbsee: change ISP :)01:06
Kmosubuntu.com isn't at the same isp.. right?01:06
Kmosit's more faster01:06
HobbseeKmos: tell dad that.   i wish.01:06
HobbseeKmos: all ISP's here suck, though01:06
KmosHobbsee: here, where ?01:07
HobbseeKmos: australia01:07
Kmosfar away :)01:07
ZnarlFujitsu : Possible, but traffic is treated differently, so comparing the two isn't a fair test.01:07
Kmoshow about to use a second server ?01:07
FujitsuZnarl: It was durville.ubuntu.com I was asked to grab an ISO from.01:07
FujitsuAh, OK.01:07
Kmosor change the server nameservers to opendns.com01:08
HobbseeKmos: yes01:08
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KmosHobbsee: it already has ?01:08
HobbseeKmos: yes, as in, yes, it's far away01:08
FujitsuWhat's OpenDNS got to do with speeding up LP?01:09
KmosFujitsu: maybe their isp dns's are slowly01:09
Kmosso use more ones in the first place, opendns that are very fast01:09
SteveAHobbsee, Fujitsu: hi01:12
FujitsuSteveA: Hi.01:12
Hobbseeheya SteveA 01:12
SteveAmrevell tells me that you're both in Australia01:13
SteveAand are both trying out the beta UI01:13
SteveAand both find it rather slow to load pages01:13
FujitsuPretty much :-/01:13
Hobbseeuh, yeah :P01:13
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SteveAok.  I've been working with other people on the Launchpad team to make beta faster.01:14
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SteveAI'd like to look into the specific things you're seeing01:14
SteveAdo you have time now to work with me on this, or perhaps some other time?01:14
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SteveAthere are various things I'd like to get you to try out that will help me see exactly where the problem is01:14
FujitsuSteveA: How long is it likely to take? I can be here for another 45 or so.01:14
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SteveAand whether there's anything I can do to help it01:15
SteveAyay for SHM01:15
SteveAFujitsu: maybe if I work with Hobbsee to start with, and then I'll have a better idea of what the issue is, and I can get you to confirm the results later?01:15
HobbseeSteveA: not yay when i dont understand the assignment questions!  :P01:15
FujitsuSteveA: Of course.01:16
SteveAok, great01:16
SteveAHobbsee: give me 5 mins to get a fresh cup of green tea, and then you'll have my complete attention.01:16
Hobbseeokay.  as long as i dont have to drink it, it's all good :)01:16
SteveAno, I'll sort out the drinking part at this end01:17
FujitsuHobbsee: You don't like tea?01:18
HobbseeFujitsu: nope.  i'm very much a coke, water, or strawberry milk person01:19
FujitsuUrgh. Water or tea is my stuff.01:19
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SteveAHobbsee: okay, I'm ready.  To start with, let's see what the ping latency is like from you to beta.launchpad.net01:22
SteveAplease: ping -c 10 beta.launchpad.net01:22
SteveAand paste to me the last line:01:22
SteveArtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.274/16.892/17.645/0.527 ms01:22
Hobbseertt min/avg/max/mdev = 290.056/291.668/293.682/1.201 ms01:22
SteveAnext, do you have any special firefox settings turned on?01:23
SteveAlike, caching ssl content?01:23
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HobbseeSteveA: caching's enabled, not caching ssl content (although it's greatly improved if i do turn that on)01:24
Hobbseehrm, probably have various pipelining configs here too, which makes pages load faster, come to think of it01:24
SteveAhow about trying a fresh firefox profile01:24
SteveAso that we get the default settings?01:25
SteveAfirefox -ProfileManager01:25
Hobbseethat works01:25
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SteveAto start with, go to https://beta.launchpad.net/ and log in with your new profile01:26
Hobbseeyep, just doing that now.  done01:27
UbugtuMalone bug 22995 in xorg "xserver-xorg fails on ATI Radeon X700" [Medium,Fix released]   - Assigned to Ubuntu X SWAT (ubuntu-x-swat)01:28
SteveAgo to that page01:28
Hobbsee3 second01:28
SteveAthen when it has loaded, click on the link to bug 2298501:28
UbugtuMalone bug 22985 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[x700]  fails to infer lvds for primary connector on acer ferrari 4005 | card detected, but driver fails to use right output port" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/22985 - Assigned to Ubuntu X SWAT (ubuntu-x-swat)01:28
SteveAin the first comment01:28
Hobbseeaiee, tiny fonds01:28
Hobbsee8 seconds01:29
SteveAyeah, that one took a long time for me too01:29
SteveAbecause of all the comments01:29
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Hobbseeahhh, yes, that wouldnt help01:29
SteveAnext, if you open up the portlet for "subscribers to this bug"01:30
SteveAand click on the first name there: Alain Maisonneuve01:30
Hobbseeyep.  pretty much immediate01:30
Hobbsee8 seconds01:30
SteveAI'm confused01:30
SteveAwhat was immediate and what took 8 seconds?01:31
Hobbseesorry, the portlet opening was immediate, the first name click was 8 seconds01:31
SteveAah, right01:31
SteveAthe portlet's information is already in the page01:31
SteveAso nothing gets loaded specially for that01:31
Hobbseeyes, i'd be very worried if it was loading the portlet slowly too!01:31
SteveAwhat are you using to time the page loads?01:31
FujitsuSteveA: I have noticed the Ubuntu tags portlet lagging on opening, but that's likely because it's enormous.01:32
SteveAFujitsu: probably more to do with the browser needing to display it than loading information01:32
SteveAHobbsee: next, please click on the Karma link on Alain Maisonneuve's page01:33
HobbseeSteveA: my head, ktimer01:33
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HobbseeSteveA: 3 seconds01:34
SteveAok, that's not so bad compared to me -- 1.81s for me01:35
SteveAassuming you're cacheing the same things as me at this point01:35
SteveAthat will have loaded:01:35
SteveA - the main page01:35
SteveA - style.css01:35
SteveA - four .js files01:35
SteveAand then a couple of other things too after the main page content has loaded01:36
SteveAI'd like to investigate this a bit more01:36
SteveAto see if we can get those 3 seconds down to more like 101:37
Hobbseeyes - the difference between my current profile, and the new one is quite odd, too01:37
SteveAto do the next thing, I'll log into the server where beta.launchpad.net talks to the rest of the world01:37
SteveAand check some things in the logs there01:37
SteveAI can't find some logs I need, so I'm chatting to the admins to see where they've gone01:39
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SteveAI'll flavour the next ones with green tea01:40
SteveAto protect them01:40
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KmosSteveA: and some traceroute to you.. how many hops ?01:42
SteveAKmos: mtr --report  beta.launchpad.net   tells me I have 14 hops01:46
SteveAaverage time from me to there, 16.901:46
SteveAHobbsee: ok, I now have the log information from our experiment just now01:50
HobbseeSteveA: have you concluded, as crimsun has, that it's stuffed?01:51
SteveAI'm going to stare at this for 15-20 mins, then I'll know better :-)01:51
SteveAthanks for helping out.  I think I have something to work with for now.  Maybe we can have another session later, once I've worked out what to look into next?  (later being not necessarily today, as it's probably late in australia, and...01:52
SteveA  ... there's SHM to look into :-) )01:53
HobbseeNOOOOO!  not the evil SHM!!!01:53
UbugtuNew bug: #92219 in launchpad "http://bugs.launchpad.net/$bugnumber should redirect to the bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9221902:00
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kiko-zzzhi there02:03
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flint-dudeHello handsome hehe02:04
Hobbseehi kiko 02:04
flint-dudekiko thing are growing so fast can you keep up02:05
flint-dudeThe new change's is awesome02:06
kikohi Hobbsee 02:06
jameshI wonder if you can get apache to log request times with subsecond accuracy?02:08
popeyyou could use the apache to database doofer that inserts every log entry to a database table02:09
popeywhich i think has better granularity02:09
jameshsounds like hard work :)02:09
popeyits an apache mod iirc02:10
popeynot much to it02:10
popeylibapache-dbilogger-perl - Tracks what's being transferred in a DBI database02:10
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BjornTflacoste, salgado: ready for a review meeting in 5 minutes?02:55
salgadoBjornT, yep02:55
flacosteBjornT: i'm sprinting, attention might drift away02:56
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kikoBjornT, salgado: I was thinking of doing the 5 bottom-most reviews on PR today03:00
kikosee what you think of that idea03:00
salgadokiko, I'd prefer if you reviewed https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/salgado/launchpad/oops-fixes/full-diff, which is on jamesh's queue for a long time, and he still has mark's 3KLOC branch to review03:03
BjornTok, time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting03:04
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BjornT== Agenda ==03:05
BjornT* Roll call * Next meeting * Queue status.03:05
kikosalgado, that's friggin big03:05
BjornTwho's here?03:05
salgadokiko, it's mostly moving tests around and changing them to user testbrowser03:05
salgadoBjornT, me03:05
flacostekind of here03:06
BjornT== Next meeting ==03:07
BjornTnext meeting will be in a week, Mar 21, 1400 UTC03:07
KmosBjornT: change topic =)03:08
BjornTKmos: which topic? :)03:09
BjornT== Queue status ==03:09
BjornTthere are 20 open reviews, with 7 more than one week open. i don't think all the statuses have been updated, though.03:09
salgadoyeah, I forgot to update some. will do it now03:09
BjornTsalgado: do the branches in your queue have the correct status?03:09
BjornTsalgado: ok. try not to forget it, makes it harder to keep track of the queue.03:10
KmosBjornT: of this channel03:11
salgadoKmos, this is a reviewers meeting, it doesn't go to the topic because it's not of interest for most people03:12
BjornTok. then the queue doesn't look too bad. it's mostly the au people that are slacking ;)03:12
BjornTkiko: so, you are going to review the 5 of the branches from the general queue?03:14
kikoBjornT, I could do that. they are small.03:14
salgadothanks kiko 03:15
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BjornTkiko: that would be good. give the other reviewers a chance to catch up with the queue.03:15
BjornTif you're going to take some branch from jamesh (like salgado suggested), you should probably coordinate with him first so that he hasn't started yet.03:16
BjornT== Other business ==03:18
BjornTanything else?03:18
Kmoskiko: received my mail ?03:19
kikoKmos, yeah, it should probably be filed as a bug as I am sure I will lose it03:20
Kmoskiko: ok03:20
BjornTok, meeting ended. thanks for coming.03:20
kikoyou're welcome!03:22
Kmoskiko: send mail to me again plz03:23
Kmoskiko: got it03:27
kikorock on canada03:30
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PrognatusHow about regarding "Wishlist" in bugs as "Features", move all data and the category accordingly?03:31
PrognatusAs for the Ubuntu bug database, it would mean 5452 wishes moved to Features, and a lot cleaner bug database!03:34
PrognatusWhile Wishlist would still be a category, but now under Features (where it belong, IMO) instead of in bugs.03:35
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PrognatusBesides, searching for previous/similar cases would be much easier.03:39
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PrognatusAnd while I'm at this: Features need an advanced search option.03:46
PrognatusAnd another thing: tags should be the default way of marking topics, not category.03:47
PrognatusAny thougts anyone?03:48
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PrognatusWhat do you mean, Larstiq?03:49
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LarstiQPrognatus: there seems to be context to what you suggest, and I'm missing that context03:50
PrognatusLarstiQ, no other discussion if that's what you mean. Just my thoughts from using Launchpad.03:51
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LarstiQyour use of launchpad would be that context :)03:52
PrognatusOk. Then regard this as from a users point of view.03:53
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LarstiQof launchpad that is03:53
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PrognatusAnyway, input is welcome.03:54
LarstiQPrognatus: what do you mean with 'a catgeory'?03:54
LarstiQI presume you mean blueprints/specs with features. What is an advanced search option for that?03:55
PrognatusWell cateory would be a file criteria to describe where the case belongs to. I think it's better to use multiple tags instead of having to decide of one or nothing.03:57
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LarstiQI see nothing like a category anywhere on https://beta.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/4663 for example03:58
UbugtuMalone bug 4663 in bzr "bzr log does not work on merged revisions" [Medium,In progress]  03:58
PrognatusWhat I miss most about advanced search in features specifically, is the function itself. :) Generally what I miss is logic search AND/OR/NOT and better freetext searches.03:58
matsubaraPrognatus: could you try to use the terms presented in the UI? it would help us understand the specific points you're raising.04:00
PrognatusNo, the "category" definition doesn't exist (yet), but several of the other filing criteria works as such, besides filing in the right database of course.04:01
PrognatusSure. :)04:01
matsubaraPrognatus: btw, I think bug 50788 is what you're looking for. Is that right?04:02
UbugtuMalone bug 50788 in malone "We don't need "Wishlist"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5078804:02
Prognatusmatsubara, maybe. I have to read that now. :)04:03
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PrognatusOk, I agree, but only if the Wishlist was saved, that is not deleted but moved another place. Features would fit as that place, I think.04:07
PrognatusThere is a difference between a wish(list) and a feature, but they're closely related.04:08
PrognatusHaving them in the same database would help searching.04:08
Prognatus...which bring us back to Advanced Search again.04:09
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matsubaraPrognatus: I'd suggest you to file a bug in launchpad.net/blueprint/+filebug requesting the advanced search feature with specific examples of how that search would be helpful to you and how the current search didn't return the expected results.04:18
PrognatusOk, I'll spec out the details a bit more first.04:19
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PrognatusHowever, it feels backwards to me to file a bug requesting a feature... See what I mean? That's the whole point about what I've said all along. ;)04:21
oojahI'm looking at https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/ and the "Ask a question" button is at a different height to the other buttons. Is this intentional?04:21
matsubaraPrognatus: yes, I understand that but if you don't record that somewhere, your suggestions are likely to fall through the cracks.04:24
PrognatusAbsolutely, you're right.04:25
kikooojah, I think that's actually reported04:26
LarstiQmatsubara, Prognatus: fwiw, we use Wishlist differently from specs in bzr04:27
pochumrevell: around?04:27
LarstiQthe flow is: discussion on the list first if something isn't hashed out, after that a spec if it of sufficient size, and a regular bug if not04:28
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mrevellpochu: In the middle of something at the moment, but talk to me anyway and I'll see if I can help04:28
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pochumrevell: ok, it's about the ~ubuntu-es user, I haven't had an answer, can I do anything else?04:29
matsubaraLarstiQ: perhaps add your use case to bug 50788 would help with that discussion.04:29
UbugtuMalone bug 50788 in malone "We don't need "Wishlist"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5078804:29
mrevellpochu: So, the problem is that you want to use that name for your team.04:30
pochumrevell: yes, as he seems to not use LP04:30
matsubaraoojah: it's bug 90789 and it's private because there's a screenshot attached to it.04:31
xdatapmrevell: hi, i just read about user meeting. i'm a little late :)04:31
UbugtuBug 90789 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90789 is private04:31
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mrevellkiko: The Spanish Ubuntu loco team want to use the name ubuntu-es. A Launchpad user is already using that name, but that person *appears* to be inactive. pochu has emailed the person twice but they haven't replied. Do we have a process for dealing with this sort of situation?04:32
mrevellxdatap: No worries. There's another one next week :)04:32
xdatapmrevell: ok. i want to remind you some improvement i suggested for rosetta: https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-filters-improvements04:33
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xdatapmrevell: and i would like to know if somethings like that in on the road for next release04:34
PrognatusLarstiQ, how can you regard "Wishlist" as something sorting under "importance"?04:34
oojahmatsubara, kiko: Right, no problem.04:34
LarstiQPrognatus: it's an importance level04:34
PrognatusNot for me.04:34
LarstiQPrognatus: as bradb said, the wishlist backburner04:35
Prognatusbradb's statement isn't listed as I can see it.04:35
PrognatusMust've been before I joined shis channel.04:36
LarstiQPrognatus: it's in the bugreport04:36
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Kmosmatsubara: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/92267 -> make this one private too!04:41
UbugtuMalone bug 92267 in launchpad "The left Menu need a fix on mouse over" [Undecided,Confirmed]  04:41
PrognatusLarstiQ, I don't see the connection.04:41
Prognatus(I've read bradb's statements in the bug report)04:42
LarstiQPrognatus: wishlist bugs don't rank high on the priority list for fixing things, they can be delayed indefinitly04:43
LarstiQof course, if a developer feels like it, they can give it a shot between giving other bugs attention04:44
matsubaraKmos: thanks!04:44
LarstiQPrognatus: whereas a critical bug warrants immediate attention04:44
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Kmosat here https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/~gothicx/+translations04:46
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Kmosthere is any way to go to the correct line of translations of the package ?04:46
Kmosnow, I need to click on "Next" of the package with 1800 lines of translation :(04:46
PrognatusLarstiQ, I understand that. Just another reason to put them together with Features, IMO. But what has importance to do with Wishlist backburner?04:47
carlosKmos: unfortunately there is no search capabilities (yet) in launchpad04:48
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LarstiQPrognatus: I thought I just explained that wishlist is an importance level, imo.04:49
carlosKmos: but you could try using google, we allow indexing of launchpad 04:49
PrognatusAnd I said not for (to) me.04:49
PrognatusThen you referred to wishlist backburner.04:49
PrognatusThen I said I don't see the connection.04:50
kikoI do't think it's much of an importance myself04:50
kikoI mean, conflating wishlistiness and importance is not ideal, since they orthogonally provide a useful measure04:51
Kmoscarlos: i must filebug with that?04:53
LarstiQPrognatus: which is exactly what I explained, but nevermind04:53
LarstiQkiko: I've been conditioned by years of dbts usage04:53
LarstiQa wishlist isn't a list of things you wish for, but the lowest priority ;)04:53
carlosKmos: no, we already have it bug #4404:54
UbugtuMalone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)04:54
PrognatusLarstiQ, I don't understand the connection between the wishlist backburner and importance. Maybe you could explain.04:54
kikothe word wishlist seems to suggest it's a feature04:54
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Kmoscarlos: ok.. thx04:54
pochukiko: regarding mrevell question, can I do something else?04:55
PrognatusLarstiQ, ...instead of issuing patronizing statements like "LarstiQ doesn't really know where Prognatus is coming from" and "LarstiQ has totally no idea what Prognatus is talking about", and referring to other people's statements outside this chat, without telling where.04:59
LarstiQkiko: right, not to me but I can see how that would be the case, hence me agreeing with bradb. Not sure if 4 severity levels are enough04:59
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carlossee you!05:00
LarstiQPrognatus: I'm sorry you saw that as patronizing05:00
PrognatusLarstiQ, what you're really saying between the lines here is "WHo is that Prognatus guy coming here with these things?"05:01
kikopochu, I was trying to list the references to that person, but.. I have no staging access right now. matsubara can you run that script for us?05:01
LarstiQPrognatus: that is not what I intended, sorry.05:01
PrognatusLarstiQ, well, sorry I jumped into your VIP club without invitation!05:01
matsubarakiko: yes I can, but I need more context. where's it?05:01
kikoin our tree, matsubara 05:01
kikoit's a little script 05:01
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kikoyou run it against staging and provide the person's nick05:02
kikothat's all05:02
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kikoil falco!05:02
pochuty :)05:02
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bdmurrayHas there been a bug filed about sometimes getting "bin file" messages from lp?05:24
matsubarakiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileq0GZJd.html05:26
matsubarabdmurray: bug 8919405:26
UbugtuMalone bug 89194 in launchpad "beta sending gzipped, zero byte replies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8919405:26
kikopochu, I can change that guy's name -- he's just a shipit user.05:27
kikopochu, what's the current team's name?05:27
pochukiko: thanks :)05:27
pochukiko: I made an admin's team, so I'll do a new one for the whole time05:28
pochukiko: ubuntu-es-users05:28
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kikopochu, done.05:31
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pochukiko: thanks :)05:32
bdmurraymatsubara: I am seeing it and I am not using beta.launchpad.net05:34
matsubarabdmurray: can you reproduce it reliably?05:35
matsubarabdmurray: actually, the bin file you're offered is equal to the one described in that bug?05:36
bdmurraymatsubara: I haven't actually checked the bin file contents I'll do that next time I see it.  It is seemingly random but happened to me 4 or 5 times this morning.05:38
bdmurraybdmurray@flash:~/tmp$ file 8919405:40
bdmurray89194: gzip compressed data, from Unix05:40
matsubarabdmurray: right. does it happens only on POSTs?05:41
bdmurraymatsubara: could you elaborate on the difference btwn POST and GET?05:42
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matsubarabdmurray: were you submitting a form or just browsing a page?05:44
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bdmurraymatsubara: it happens with both.  the 89194 one I was just trying to go the bug you mentioned.05:45
bdmurrayvia the url you posted05:45
matsubarabdmurray: for a better technical explanation of the GETs and POSTs thing: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/www/cgi-faq/section-37.html05:47
bdmurraymatsubara: should I submit a new bug or comment on the exisiting one?  It is happening quite a lot today.05:49
matsubarabdmurray: I added that info to the bug. could you add any more relevant information there as well? like the browser version you're using.05:49
matsubarabdmurray: comment on that one please.05:49
matsubaraI'll update the bug summary as soon as I get back from lunch.05:49
matsubarathanks bdmurray 05:49
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bdmurraymatsubara-lunch: thank you05:49
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Kmosbug 4405:52
UbugtuMalone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)05:52
UbugtuNew bug: #33141 in soyuz "duplicate links on distribution release source package page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3314106:01
UbugtuNew bug: #44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4406:06
KmosBug #44, first reported by Frederic Wenzel  on 2005-01-1106:07
UbugtuMalone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)06:07
pochuLoL, New Bug!!! xD06:07
Kmosa bug from 200506:08
Kmosdanilos: work on that :)06:09
pochuSeveas: ^06:09
pochuSeveas: New Bug?06:10
Kmos[17:06]  <Ubugtu> New bug: #44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  14:<https://launchpad.net/bugs/44>06:10
Kmosi've only made a comment06:10
Seveasbuglet in ubugtu06:10
SeveasI know the bug, sort-of know the hackish fix but still working on a complete solution06:10
pochuah, k06:11
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wolferine<Seveas> i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?06:43
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KmosLaunchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance. It should be back, better than ever, soon. Thanks for your patience.07:10
KmosThe Launchpad team07:10
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kiko** Launchpad's beta service is down. A beta update went haywire; hold on while we fix things up.  **07:23
Kmoshow about to change 503 error page ?07:24
KmosCopyright 2004-2005 Canonical Ltd. 07:24
Kmosand re "Sorry"07:25
Kmosand replace "Sorry" by "503 Service Unavailable"07:25
seb128kiko: you could stop the redirect when you do that ;)07:25
kikothat would be too much work!07:25
Kmoskiko: lol07:25
kikoyeah I just had the same thought07:26
kikoI don't think it's easy to fix that up seb128 07:26
seb128I've clicked on the launchpad.net button for that07:26
pochuup again?07:27
kiko** Back up. Sorry about that! **07:27
pochuyou're fast07:28
kikothank SteveA the production master07:28
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ddaaBjornT: it looks like there's something wrong with launchpad-bazaar bugmail08:14
ddaaI think I am no longer receiving launchpad-bazaar bugmail through launchpad-bugs@.08:14
ddaaBjornT: any clue what could be the problem?08:15
ddaamh... the mails appear to be in the archive alright...08:21
UbugtuNew bug: #44238 in malone "Bugs with Unknown status are not included in the bug listings" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4423808:21
ddaanevermind, it was a bogus mail filter here08:26
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statikah, much better. resized my root filesystem and now have 81% free instead of 5%. maybe nagios will stop sending me angry emails now08:56
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UbugtuNew bug: #92331 in launchpad "[beta]  "Register project" link links to "Register Product" page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9233109:20
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FujitsuI'm trying to register a LyX Bugzilla, but it wants contact details, and I'm not sure what to put.10:07
Gwaihirtranslation-issue: where is located the desktop-effects package? not the documentation one10:09
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beunohello, any launchpad devs around?   I have 2 quick questions10:12
pochuone by one please xD10:12
beunoyes, I just need one dev, not all of you together  :p10:13
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ddaa_don't ask to ask10:13
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Gwaihiris everything working well with beta.launchpad?10:14
pochuGwaihir: why shouldn't it?10:14
GwaihirI keep getting 503 errors10:14
tokjthe beta is down10:14
pochuGwaihir: yep, they should be working on it10:14
beunoGwaihir: launchpad beta seems offline10:14
Gwaihirah... ok...10:15
beunook, first thing, is there a way to report a bug as "private" from the start?   I want/need to add screenshots, but I'm not allowed to post screenshots of launchpad beta10:15
matsubarabeuno: yes, you can. use the complicated file bug form.10:16
beunogreat, thanks matsubara10:16
beunosecond question, is there anyway to obtain launchpad information on a specific bug in XML or similar format?10:17
beunolike Ubugtu does10:17
beunoI pinged you ddaa because this is related to the email I sent about the forums10:18
FujitsuHahahah. We wish, beuno.10:18
matsubarabeuno: ubugtu parses the email it receives from launchpad. currently it's not possible to retrieve that information10:18
Fujitsubeuno: There is /+text of a bug.10:18
matsubarabeuno: but there's the +text version of a bug with some information about the bug.10:18
beunohow do I access that?  https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/90028/+text doesn't seem to work10:19
ddaabeuno: I'm not really the best person to ask about malone features.10:19
beunosee, Ubugtu grabs the information somehow  https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/90027/10:20
UbugtuMalone bug 90027 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)10:20
matsubarabeuno: https://beta.launchpad.net/bugs/1/+text10:20
Fujitsubeuno: From /rosetta/+bug/90027/+text, I believe.10:20
UbugtuMalone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Raphal Pinson (raphink)10:20
beunogreat, I can work with that10:21
beunobest next thing to XML10:21
beunoddaa: as expected, I didn't get any responses to the forum integration  :(10:22
ddaaeverybody here is up their neck10:23
ddaaand really, the main thing that came out of that email is "wow, that's an entusiastic user!"10:23
beunooh, I see10:24
ddaaremember you're talking to about 10% of the brain of the people who read the list10:24
beunoI'll try and see if I have better luck with the forum staff then10:24
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ddaabeuno: you should keep trying to get your point across with the launchpad folks.10:25
ddaaAt least get them understand that you are actually proposing something specific, and get an answer about it. And keep it short!10:25
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beunowell, I'm not sure I want to annoy the hell out of anyone...10:26
ddaaWe love being annoyed by users which make concrete proposals.10:26
ddaaThat show that people actually care about what we do.10:26
beunoI've look into vbulletin quite a bit, and if I can parse the text version of the bug you've just pointed out, I might be able to integrate launchpad bugs into de forums without any work from launchpad staff10:27
Lord_MaynothI had a suggest and was told to talk to the people here10:27
Lord_MaynothI was wondering what you guys thought of this idea10:27
Lord_MaynothHow about a simple Dell Idea Storm Style reccomendation system10:27
Lord_Maynothfor ubuntu users10:27
Lord_Maynothperhaps you could call it ubuntu idea storm10:28
Lord_Maynothor whatnot10:28
pochuLord_Maynoth: I think you are in the wrong channel ;)10:28
Lord_MaynothIn this way users could add and prioritize annoyances and things which could be done better10:28
Lord_Maynothwhat channel should I be in?10:29
pochusome #ubuntu-channel ;)10:29
beunomaybe #ubuntu-marketing10:29
pochumaybe #ubuntu-marketing10:29
pochubeuno: hehe10:29
beunotry IRC, if not, try the mailing list  :D10:29
beunoLord_Maynoth: the mailing list is probably best10:29
beunoddaa: I'll just throw on another email with specifics on my idea about implementing it10:30
beunoif only I could get a hold on one launchpad dev, and one forum dev at the same time for 10 minutes...10:31
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flacostebeuno: if that's of some confort to you, I've flagged your email as TODO as I intend to reply to it, just not got the time yet10:41
beunoflacoste: it is  :D10:41
flacostesome of the things you suggest are directly relevant to the Answer Tracker (the part I work on)10:41
flacostebut if it gets in the Answer Tracker, i'll make sure it is easy to use in other part of Launchpad10:42
beunoI'm starting to bug the forum staff to look into specifics on there side meanwhile10:42
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beunoflacoste: that gives me some hope!   thanks you very much10:42
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UbugtuNew bug: #92374 in malone "samba too hard to configure to be used on windows XP network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9237411:20
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cjlifeless: pingy?11:37
cjlifeless: could you add a mono-project project, por favor?11:37
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glyphobetHi. I keep recieving emails from bugs that I did not report.  I believe that this is because a bug that I did report.  How can I stop this?11:53
glyphobetneedless to say, I can't even find the bug that I *did* report11:54
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mptGooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!11:59
pochuhey mpt11:59
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