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| ne78 | All window clients using the new xcb backed Xlib make an _XCBUnlockDisplay error. is there a solution ? | 12:23 |
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| cjwatson | I would just like to say that filesystem corruption in /lib/udev/devices/std{in,out,err} is particularly annoying to try to recover from | 12:54 |
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| jdong | is restricted-manager to be installed by default? | 02:19 |
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| mdz | jdong: that's the plan | 02:25 |
| jdong | mdz: awesome, that's nice to hear :) | 02:25 |
| mdz | cjwatson: I wonder why those aren't created on the fly | 02:25 |
| jdong | mdz: will it be made apparent to users that Restricted Manager is available? | 02:25 |
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| jdong | i.e. if fglrx/nvidia cards are detected, pop up a first-boot notification bubble, etc | 02:26 |
| mdz | jdong: it will be in the menu and the release notes; do you mean something more? | 02:26 |
| mdz | jdong: something along those lines is intended, yes | 02:26 |
| jdong | mdz: yeah, having it inform the user "Additional 3D acceleration is available for your hardware through proprietary drivers. Click this icon for more info" would be good. | 02:27 |
| cjwatson | mdz: Debian's udev has the facility to do it, but for some reason Scott decided it was evil | 02:28 |
| bddebian | Sounds evil :-) | 02:28 |
| cjwatson | and indeed I think Debian's udev is configured that way by default, with /etc/udev/links.conf | 02:28 |
| jdong | bddebian: how about a little BonziBuddy-like GPL advisor (like a RMS buddy? :D) | 02:29 |
| mdz | cjwatson: I expect there are already plenty of targets in /lib such that corruption is more likely to take out something else critical | 02:29 |
| cjwatson | it's curious that just those three inodes got clobbered | 02:29 |
| bddebian | jdong: Haha. Yeah he pops up "THAT SOFTWARE IS NON_FREE!!" | 02:30 |
| cjwatson | they seem unusually related for random corruption | 02:30 |
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| jdong | bddebian: New Malone bug 666666 in restricted-manager "RMS buddy leaves facial hair artifacts after closing" [High, Confirmed] | 02:33 |
| bddebian | haha | 02:33 |
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| kronoman | I think that Ubuntu needs a better failure recovery, for novice users | 03:13 |
| kronoman | I mean, the concept of dumping to a root terminal if the system crashes goes against the "for human beings" thingy | 03:13 |
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| cjwatson | kronoman: you've made your point multiple times now, and mdz commented on it earlier as well. I don't think it's necessary to keep bringing it up | 03:46 |
| mdz | maybe it's a bot | 03:46 |
| cjwatson | there are enough variations that I think not | 03:49 |
| lifeless | markov chain? | 03:50 |
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| Arch_NME | personally motivated suggestion... develop some support for cellular internet services into future ubuntu release | 04:19 |
| Arch_NME | that is all | 04:19 |
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| TheMuso | c | 05:18 |
| TheMuso | damn kvm | 05:18 |
| jdong | I'm guessing not the virtualization solution :) | 05:23 |
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| TheMuso | jdong: no | 05:28 |
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| kronoman | cjwatson: so, is worth that I start coding something like that ? or is already done ? | 05:52 |
| kronoman | cjwatson: I could make like a 'agent' that could guide the user in the recovery steps | 05:52 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:15 |
| Fujitsu | Hi fabbione. | 06:16 |
| fabbione | yo | 06:17 |
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| Fujitsu | fabbione: Who broke what? | 07:05 |
| fabbione | update from yesterday to today.. something took down my network.. network manager told NOT to touch my wired network, was spinning at 100% CPU unkillable and unable to reconfigure my network interface.. = full lock of the machine | 07:06 |
| fabbione | now i have tons of corrupted crap in my /home | 07:06 |
| fabbione | somebody is going to suffer a lot of pain today | 07:06 |
| Fujitsu | Ouch. | 07:06 |
| Fujitsu | My NM exploded when I upgraded this afternoon, too... But it didn't kill the machine. | 07:07 |
| fabbione | the machine was killed because i have some stuff over nfs | 07:07 |
| Fujitsu | Oh. | 07:07 |
| fabbione | NM should not have touched my network since i told it NOT too in the first place | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | Heh, heh, heh. | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | That was the change, I believe. | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | You might want to check the changelog. | 07:08 |
| fabbione | Fujitsu: already done... | 07:08 |
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| Lutin | hey there | 07:41 |
| Lutin | doko: are you around ? | 07:41 |
| doko | Lutin: not really ... | 07:42 |
| Lutin | doko: ok, see you later then | 07:43 |
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| Mithrandir | mdke: regarding 82335> if you believe my fix doesn't cover all the cases, please tell me what you don't think is covered by my fix and I will be happy to take a look at that. | 07:55 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: mind to check outdate for ppc? i think gnome-panel-data is outdated... | 08:04 |
| fabbione | or tell me where it is now and i will look at it | 08:04 |
| Mithrandir | stuff moved to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | I should send a mail to u-d-a about it. | 08:06 |
| fabbione | thanks | 08:06 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: i guess ppc could use a general giveback | 08:13 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: you win 42 new source language packs. :-) | 08:30 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: accepted 30 seconds ago :) | 08:31 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: great. :-) | 08:31 |
| pitti | Good morning everyone, btw | 08:31 |
| mvo | good morning pitti | 08:32 |
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| mantiena | heloo all | 08:34 |
| mantiena | There are no builds at cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base/ for 4 days at least, anobody knows why ? | 08:36 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: If I give you a debdiff for openoffice.org-voikko, would you mind uploading it? | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: please. | 08:36 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/ooo-voikko.debdiff | 08:38 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: It's just a build1 -> build2 kick | 08:38 |
| Mithrandir | ah, sure. | 08:38 |
| StevenK | I tested it last night, I seriously doubt anything shattering has happened to the archive in the mean time. | 08:39 |
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| Mithrandir | StevenK: uploaded | 08:41 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: just too late. :-) | 08:41 |
| Fujitsu | Damn. | 08:41 |
| Fujitsu | I've got another 20 minutes, surely? | 08:41 |
| Mithrandir | maybe, if you're in the DC. | 08:41 |
| Fujitsu | And another hour after that before it starts building. | 08:41 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: Thanks | 08:42 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: I managed to get to the (7am) tech board meeting, and got a +1 from mdz and sabdfl for -core-dev, by the way | 08:42 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: yay. :-) | 08:42 |
| StevenK | Oh yes. :-) | 08:43 |
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| tepsipakki | StevenK: have you tested that ooo-voikko would get correct Conflicts by a simple rebuild? I've talked to the maintainer who said that it doesn't currently handle rc-versions | 08:44 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: Congrats :) | 08:44 |
| Mithrandir | tepsipakki: sorry I wasn't around last night for your core-dev application | 08:45 |
| StevenK | tepsipakki: I can look again, if you like. | 08:45 |
| tepsipakki | Mithrandir: np, I forgot to ask you to be there ;) | 08:46 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: I'll look at vesa later today | 08:47 |
| tepsipakki | sorry, evdev | 08:47 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: vesa? context? | 08:47 |
| pitti | aah | 08:47 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: thank you | 08:47 |
| pitti | tepsipakki, Mithrandir: FYI, the meeting didn't handle applications, at least not until an hour after it started | 08:48 |
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| pitti | tepsipakki: applications are supposed to be handled through email to the TB first now | 08:48 |
| tepsipakki | there is 1.1.5 which was released for 7.2 but maybe we should just find the commit to make it build | 08:48 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: oh, ok | 08:48 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: backporting++, unless we can exhaustively test this easily | 08:48 |
| tepsipakki | I can do both | 08:48 |
| pitti | does 1.1.5 officially belong to 7.2? | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | evdev isn't used by default anyway | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | yes | 08:49 |
| pitti | if it's a stable branch from upstream, that might even be better; in this case we should just eyeball the diff for suspicious changes | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | but the list of changes wrt to 1.1.2 is long | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | but either way | 08:50 |
| pitti | the other bug that I saw that crashed a program due to that API/ABI change wasn't very encouraging | 08:50 |
| tepsipakki | due to evdev? | 08:50 |
| pitti | yes; I mentioned that other bug in the FTBFS bug report | 08:51 |
| tepsipakki | ah | 08:51 |
| fabbione | Setting up network-manager (0.6.4-6ubuntu3) ... | 08:51 |
| fabbione | * Reloading system message bus config... [ OK ] | 08:51 |
| fabbione | * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager | 08:51 |
| fabbione | BAHM | 08:51 |
| fabbione | and 2 | 08:51 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: i think the last network manager update is breaking hard | 08:52 |
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| Mithrandir | fabbione: that's a terrible bug report. :-P | 08:52 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i can give you all details.. basically ifaces are not wireless and configured via interfaces to use dhcp | 08:55 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: for some reasons NM takes them down and it's not capable of bringing them up again | 08:55 |
| fabbione | and that's bad when you have NFS mounted stuff | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | hm, you have multiple active interfaces? | 08:56 |
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| mdke | Mithrandir: your changelog entry says that it fixes the bug for people who use static interfaces. But the bug occurs also for people who use dhcp, and has them configured in /etc/network/interfaces, as I understand it NM simply ignores them | 08:56 |
| mantiena | who is responsible forf cdimage.ubuntu.com mirroring ? livecd-base mirroring doesn't work, because REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED | 08:57 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: yes i do.. most of them are virtual interfaces tho | 08:57 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: on my i386 there is only one real and plenty between vmware and tunnels | 08:57 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: on laptop is one wired ether and 2 wireless.. tho i told NM NOT to touch any of them | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: no, it doesn't. | 08:57 |
| fabbione | on both machines.. | 08:57 |
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| fabbione | and during the upgrade it does try to take them over | 08:58 |
| mdke | Mithrandir: ok, well lots of people on that bug report say that it happens on their system (and it does on mine - I don't use static, I use dhcp) | 08:58 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: can you attach your /etc/network/interfaces to the bug report, please? | 08:58 |
| mdke | mantiena: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage | 08:59 |
| mdke | Mithrandir: sure | 08:59 |
| mantiena | mdke: what ? I'm talkink about mirroring scripts | 08:59 |
| mantiena | mdke: it seems womeone just forgot to upload new ssh key | 08:59 |
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| mdke | mantiena: I was answering your question | 09:00 |
| mdke | "who is responsible for cdimage.ubuntu.com..." | 09:00 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: the solution in your case might then be "don't use NM". | 09:00 |
| khermans1 | it appears that many packages are depending ~gnome < 2.18 | 09:00 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: well i told NM not to touch my networks.. at least i think it is supposed to keep settings? | 09:00 |
| khermans1 | but >= 2.18 are being installed | 09:01 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: uh, how did you tell NM that? | 09:01 |
| Fujitsu | fabbione: As I said before, the change in the last version modified that behaviour. | 09:01 |
| fabbione | from the applet: "Enable Networking".. i thought it meant.. keep your NM hands away from my settings | 09:02 |
| fabbione | Fujitsu: yes.. i got that... | 09:02 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, that way. | 09:02 |
| mdke | Mithrandir: done | 09:02 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: no, it doesn't, and it's not what it says on the lid either. | 09:02 |
| khermans1 | ie -> libwnck18 depends libwnck-common (<2.18) but 2.18.0 will is installed | 09:03 |
| mantiena | cjwatson: cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base mirroring doesn't work, because REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED - look at cd-build-logs on people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson | 09:03 |
| Mithrandir | khermans1: we just had a new revision of gnome uploaded, the archive isn't consistent yet. No need to nag us about it, it's being tended to. | 09:03 |
| khermans1 | Mithrandir: i see that and i was wondering if you knew -- now i know | 09:04 |
| khermans1 | Mithrandir: is there a HOWTO for unb0rking my apt/dpkg now that i screwed myself with the last dist-upgrade? | 09:05 |
| Mithrandir | khermans1: wait until it doesn't give errors and then upgrade. | 09:05 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: your interfaces file ought to work with the new NM. | 09:06 |
| khermans1 | Mithrandir: :-( | 09:06 |
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| Mithrandir | mdke: I haven't tried, but from my changes and how your file looks, I believe that case is also fixed with the latest NM upload. | 09:06 |
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| mdke | Mithrandir: alright, I'll check and close the bug if so. I maybe misunderstood your changelog entry | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: it might not respect the wireless-essid setting, though, which would be a bug. | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: or my changelog entry wasn't good enough | 09:07 |
| mdke | Mithrandir: :) | 09:07 |
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| sabdfl | i'm about to do an upgrade, is apt / apt-utils b0rked? should I hold off a few hours? | 09:12 |
| Mithrandir | sabdfl: no, but you shouldn't force through updates if apt tells you that it can't install everything. We had a full gnome upload yesterday and the archive is still slightly busy sorting the bits. | 09:14 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: yeah, I noticed.. after it had removed gnome-panel :) | 09:17 |
| Fujitsu | I noticed (what I presume to be a result of) it when my gnome-panel crashed a few times a second. | 09:18 |
| Treenaks | Fujitsu: that too | 09:18 |
| Fujitsu | But then something else updated and it started up fine. | 09:18 |
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| mdke | Mithrandir: yes, works. Wow, the applet is quite cool all of a sudden | 09:24 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: does it pick up the wireless setting correctly too? | 09:25 |
| mdke | Mithrandir: I had to left click on the applet and select my network, then it connected | 09:25 |
| mdke | no idea if i was already connected or not | 09:26 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: ok, it probably ignore it, then. I should probably make it call ifup/ifdown and not manage it itself. | 09:26 |
| mdke | ok, well I'm happy anyway | 09:26 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:28 |
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| pitti | hey dholbach | 09:46 |
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| dholbach | hey pitti | 09:48 |
| Kagou | it's seems that daily-live feisty iso for i386 is too big today | 09:53 |
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| pitti | mvo: erk, the 'reboot required' dialog's German translation has lots of signs in it | 09:56 |
| pitti | carlos: ^ I thought that would have been fixed? | 09:56 |
| carlos | ggrrr, I forgot to send the request to the DBA :-( It's my fault | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | BenC: linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 is in depwait - sure the build-deps for that are right? (it's referencing -8 headers, not -9) | 09:57 |
| carlos | I'm going to do it now so I'm sure I will not forget it again | 09:57 |
| pitti | carlos: thanks | 09:57 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: and now we are at -10 already | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: true that, but it seems that it's behind, or something. the 9.3 built with the -8 headers, so i'm confused. | 09:59 |
| Mithrandir | the control file for l-b-m is wrong | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | i suspected as much, what should it be? | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | ie to point to -9, or -10? | 10:02 |
| Mithrandir | -10, but it's not a manual process. | 10:02 |
| Mithrandir | I can fix it. | 10:02 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: thanks, fixed. Good catch. | 10:05 |
| mneptok | +sexy | 10:06 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: :) | 10:06 |
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| mneptok | Mithrandir: careful. that's Hobbsee's job. | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | mneptok: you wish it was. | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | mneptok: you dirty old man. | 10:07 |
| mneptok | Hobbsee: the GF is pleased to know that women continue to abuse me as she sleeps. it's like a weird trade union. | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:08 |
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| dholbach | could somebody please give back gnome-python-desktop on amd64? | 10:12 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: done, and same for ppc done | 10:13 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: you ROCK :) | 10:13 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. :-) | 10:13 |
| dholbach | :-)) | 10:13 |
| Mithrandir | huzzah, evo built fine now | 10:14 |
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| dholbach | hey seb128 | 10:14 |
| seb128 | hi dholbach | 10:15 |
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| seb128 | pitti: language packs seem to work fine | 10:16 |
| pitti | seb128: yay | 10:16 |
| pitti | for me, too | 10:16 |
| pitti | high time, eh | 10:16 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: pdf2ps segfaults in the opensp build, would you like to take a look at it? http://librarian.launchpad.net/6640435/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.opensp_1.5.2-3build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 10:17 |
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| Mithrandir | iwj: seems to be ppc specific. | 10:18 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: your pyorbit upload blew up sideways, you might want to take a look http://librarian.launchpad.net/6601939/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.pyorbit_2.14.2-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 10:19 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: I've asked doko if he could have look some time ago, it's due to the python-dbg changes :/ | 10:19 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: from the build log, it doesn't look like that. Looks more like libtool fell over. | 10:20 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yeah, and autotools are runned for the python-dbg changes | 10:21 |
| dholbach | seb128: if you want, I'll try to take a look? | 10:22 |
| seb128 | dholbach: if you want to do so you are welcome | 10:23 |
| dholbach | ok, just looking at a new workrave, will do it afterwards | 10:23 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: when is beta freeze starting? | 10:24 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: tomorrow. | 10:24 |
| seb128 | oh, good | 10:24 |
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| pitti | arrgh | 10:30 |
| pitti | mvo: I just wasted 20 minutes banging my head on the table before I discovered that gksu does not propagate the exit status | 10:31 |
| pitti | 'gksu false' exiting with 0 is wrong... | 10:31 |
| seb128 | speaking about sudo it behaves weirdly for users not to the admin group on my desktop | 10:33 |
| seb128 | sudo command asks for the password | 10:33 |
| seb128 | and then do nothing | 10:33 |
| seb128 | no error, no message, it just don't do the action and acts like it was doing | 10:33 |
| seb128 | ah, there is a bug open: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/81140 | 10:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81140 in sudo "sudo (edgy) silently fails when user is not a member of admin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 10:34 |
| pitti | mvo: ah, it's already filed as bug 51633 | 10:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51633 in gksu "Doesn't return correct system exit code" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51633 | 10:35 |
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| pitti | seb128: hm, I get 'joe is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' | 10:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: I don't | 10:36 |
| seb128 | if you need any debug info let me know ;) | 10:36 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: the pyorbit build failure is due to the CC=$PYTHON_CC in configure.in, but you'll need to change the AC_SUBST([ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS] , [..] line too, to change $ac_macro_dir to (the string) m4. | 10:37 |
| Fujitsu | I get both sudo behaviours across various machines. | 10:38 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: comparing sudoers and group memberships on both machines would be appreciated | 10:38 |
| Fujitsu | I can't recall which has which, but I'll have a look tomorrow. | 10:39 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: ok, thank you | 10:39 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: (and you need to run autoconf once after changing configure.in). | 10:39 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: thanks | 10:39 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ^ if you are on pyorbit | 10:39 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: at least it completes building here. | 10:39 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: good, thank you for looking at it! | 10:40 |
| Mithrandir | np | 10:40 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: do you have any idea, why gnome-python-desktop just ftbfs? i successfully updated my powerpc to python-gnome2-dev (2.18.0-0ubuntu1) a minute ago | 10:47 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: I'll take a look in a second | 10:50 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: gracias | 10:50 |
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| Mithrandir | * php4-ps_1.3.4-3ubuntu1 builds: php5-ps | 10:50 |
| Mithrandir | but no longer builds: | 10:50 |
| Mithrandir | o 1.3.4-2: php4-ps | 10:50 |
| Mithrandir | maybe a rename of the source package is in order? | 10:50 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: yay! | 10:51 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: probably just unfortunate timing wrt when python-gnome2 was happy, given-back | 10:54 |
| dholbach | yoohoo | 10:59 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: seems to be building now at least | 11:01 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Reaccept it, and purge it out again. | 11:02 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: super - I'll pester with you some other give-back requests later, so gnome 2.18 is installable on powerpc and amd64 again | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: if it's on outdate.txt, I'll tend to it by myself, so unless you see something stuck for a while, you don't need to ask me. | 11:03 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:03 |
| dholbach | thanks | 11:03 |
| mvo | pitti: yeah, that gksu problem is very anoying | 11:07 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I didn't see any need to mail -devel-announce about the report URL changes since I left redirects in place | 11:20 |
| cjwatson | khermans1: you made a comment the other day that "the new ubiquity is broken" or some such. Care to give details? | 11:20 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: well, point, but telling people that "you might want to poke around at ~ubuntu-archive to see if you find interesting information" might not be a bad idea? | 11:26 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: true | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir, do i need to poke you ( or another archive admin ) about a edgy-proposed upload , or will it automajicly get accepted ( sru page said something about poke to make sure the versioning was sane ) | 11:31 |
| imbrandon | versioning is/was mod-mono_1.1.17-3 --> mod-mono_1.1.17-3build1~proposed1 fyi | 11:31 |
| pitti | mvo: shall I take a look at gksu? | 11:31 |
| mvo | pitti: if you have spare cycles, that would be great | 11:32 |
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| Mithrandir | imbrandon: why the build1 in there? | 11:33 |
| pitti | mvo: well, not exactly 'spare', but it makes the destop-effects/restricted-manager integration look bad, and that's my top goal ATM | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: sorry, you do of course need something like that, ignore me. :-) | 11:34 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir, because its only a rebuild ( but i was told it needed to be a SRU ) | 11:34 |
| mvo | pitti: right, if you would fix it, g-a-i would benefit as well, so I'm all for it :) | 11:34 |
| imbrandon | no real changes | 11:34 |
| pitti | mvo: ok; doesn't sound hard | 11:34 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir, 17-3 is whats currently in the archive | 11:35 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: yes, I see that. | 11:35 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: I'd probably have named it 1.1.17-3edgy1~proposed1 to show that it's an edgy branch. | 11:35 |
| imbrandon | sure i can do that if you can remove the upload i just did, only take me 2 seconds to change | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: are you aware of the langpacks in edgy-proposed NEW? | 11:38 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: oh, I thought I already rejected them; doing now, thanks | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: rejected. | 11:38 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir, k | 11:39 |
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| imbrandon | Mithrandir, ok re-uploaded , so if you get a sec can you push that through | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | moins pitti | 11:41 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: will do once it shows up in the queue (at :45) | 11:41 |
| pitti | hey imbrandon | 11:41 |
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| imbrandon | Mithrandir, ok, thanks ;) | 11:41 |
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| imbrandon | wheeowww | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:43 |
| mneptok | *muah* hey sailor :) | 11:44 |
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| iwj | Mithrandir: Sure, I'll look at your pdf2ps bug. | 11:44 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: thanks a lot | 11:45 |
| ogra | seb128, do you have any hint for me for bug 82527 ? do i need anything special to register with dbus ? | 11:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82527 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver-command doesn't work for gnome-screesaver instances started from /etx/X11/Xsession.d" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82527 | 11:46 |
| seb128 | ogra: does it need some environment variable? | 11:46 |
| ogra | (not for the gss issue there, but we need the student-control-panel client working) | 11:46 |
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| ogra | seb128, nope .... we have an Xsession.d script that starts scp-client on thin client sessions ... | 11:47 |
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| ogra | it needs the LTSP_CLIENT env variable set to actually start the binary, but that happens fine ... | 11:48 |
| ogra | it just cant communicate thrugh dbus | 11:48 |
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| ogra | as the screensaver apparently cant either f not started by gnome-session ... | 11:48 |
| seb128 | ogra: it probably requires something in the environment which is set with gnome-session | 11:49 |
| ogra | hmm, k, i'll dig in that direction, thanks for the pointer | 11:50 |
| seb128 | np | 11:52 |
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| pitti | mvo: erk, this is much worse than I imagined | 12:03 |
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| pitti | mvo: so this would involve API changes, rebuilds of several packages and extensive changes in libgksu gksu | 12:07 |
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| ogra | seb128, heh, got it ... syou shouldnt execute stuff from Xsession.d scripts but just add them to $STARTUP so it gets DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set in the environment :) | 12:13 |
| ogra | the scp-client script only executed the command ... | 12:14 |
| seb128 | k | 12:14 |
| mvo | pitti: I vaguely remeber that I looked at it some months ago and felt that its a can of worms too | 12:14 |
| Mithrandir | it feels like I've given-back half the archive now. | 12:15 |
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| imbrandon | lol @ Mithrandir | 12:16 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: must be time for you to give back the other half then. | 12:21 |
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| ogra | seb128, i had various reports about shutdown not working anymore from the logout dialog ... did you just switch recently from gdm to gpm for gnome-session ? | 12:33 |
| seb128 | no | 12:33 |
| ogra | hmm, k | 12:33 |
| seb128 | when did you start getting them? | 12:33 |
| ogra | then i'll try to get more info | 12:33 |
| ogra | jammcq said with the last update he did this week, but he's not completely up to date yet ... i'll wait until he upgraded | 12:34 |
| ogra | i just thought i missed the switch or something | 12:34 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: Did you do the processing of -proposed uploads a couple of hours ago? | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: no, I did a couple for edgy-proposed. | 12:36 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: no, I don't do SRU | 12:36 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: broken how? | 12:37 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: Till did some pretty intrusive changes recently; can you please talk to him? | 12:37 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: I saw a lot of bug reports about not-working backends any more | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: pitti https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/92205 | 12:37 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: I guess something in the backend enabling/disabling broke | 12:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | installing error | 12:37 |
| Fujitsu | Mithrandir: Aren't you meant to set the bug to fixcommitted? | 12:38 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: oh, I see | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: ouch | 12:38 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: right, that's the recently uploaded version | 12:39 |
| === pitti mangles the bug | ||
| Hobbsee | yes | 12:39 |
| geser | Mithrandir: is it possible to sync linux-ntfs from Debian unstable to fix bug #86231 aka Debian bug #379628 ? | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | it's only just come thru, doesnt appear to have any dupes yet | 12:39 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: hm, I don't think that has been discussed in the new MOTU SRU proposal. I think it'd make sense for the uploader to set it to fix committer. | 12:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86231 in linux-ntfs "Installer won't resize Windows Vista NTFS-partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86231 | 12:39 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 379628 in ntfsprogs "ntfsresize: resizing a Vista NTFS partition leads to corrupted" [Critical,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/379628 | 12:39 |
| Mithrandir | geser: I believe cjwatson has been pondering how to attack that problem. Try asking him? | 12:39 |
| geser | ok | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | `After the upload, archive administrators should then verify that the version number of the upload is sane and accept the package into -proposed. They set the bug status to Fix committed.' | 12:40 |
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| Fujitsu | Mithrandir: Some people won't be on [old release] -changes, so won't see the notification of the acceptance unless there's a change on the bug. | 12:41 |
| geser | cjwatson: is it possible to sync linux-ntfs from Debian unstable to fix bug #86231 aka Debian bug #379628 ? | 12:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86231 in linux-ntfs "Installer won't resize Windows Vista NTFS-partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86231 | 12:41 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 379628 in ntfsprogs "ntfsresize: resizing a Vista NTFS partition leads to corrupted" [Critical,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/379628 | 12:41 |
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| cjwatson | geser: uh, surely that was a partman problem | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | at least, a partman problem as well | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | happy to take 1.13.1-6 from testing though, probably; will check | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: everything from partman-base 100 to 105 looks OK - http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/partman/partman-base/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 - UVFe? | 12:50 |
| geser | it's only a 2 line change which is also in the bug report | 12:50 |
| cjwatson | geser: there was definitely a partman problem; I know because I spent a couple of hours reviewing the patch | 12:50 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: looks sane; go for it. | 12:51 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: are you planning on a d-i upload for the new kernel too? | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | oh, was there another ABI bump? yes then, but not just yet | 12:52 |
| Mithrandir | -10 is in the archive now and default, so yes. | 12:52 |
| Mithrandir | just a gentle push | 12:52 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: i know ben is about to upload -11 to fix all the audio mess that happened with -10 | 12:58 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | hum means i will need to reupload lirc, is there a way to have that package rebuilt on a new kern upload ? | 12:59 |
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| imbrandon | like the lrm is etc | 01:00 |
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| Mithrandir | imbrandon: no, there isn't. | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | hum okies /me adds it to a personal soyuz wishlist | 01:02 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: the libgnome-desktop-dev build-dependency of deskbar-applet is ever-so-slightly optimistic, isn't it? | 01:10 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | BenC: ping ? | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | moins Tonio_ | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | hey imbrandon :) | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: [23:11] [Whois] BenC has been idle for 11 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds. | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: indeed | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: heard about a kernel problem with the latest released ? it doesn't boot on macbook machines, so I wondered if I should report the bug | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: as you follow malone carefully.... ;) | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: cant say i've been following, with the >20 sec load time on every single launchpad page, and i dont get that in my email. | 01:13 |
| === Hobbsee has been avoiding LP on that basis | ||
| imbrandon | Tonio_, from what i seen a few minutes ago in here BenC is planned to upload -11 soonish, maybe that will fix it, if not i would file a bug | 01:13 |
| slomo_ | Mithrandir: hi :) can you take a look at bug #91639 ? | 01:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 91639 in ndesk-dbus "UVF exception: ndesk-dbus 0.4.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91639 | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll have a look and report that toonight | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: however, i havent really looked in -bugs that much either. | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the point is I also needed to test a kernel patch for the speakers but I can't since it fails to boot | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | useufl | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | *useful | 01:14 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: care to take a look at the gnome-games ftbfs? | 01:15 |
| Mithrandir | slomo_: looking. | 01:15 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: sure | 01:16 |
| Keybuk | cupsys is broken :-/ | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: known. want the bug id? | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | sure | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | oh bugger, then i have to find it | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205 | 01:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:17 |
| === Keybuk bets it worked on Mandriva | ||
| pitti | huh? | 01:18 |
| pitti | I just set this to High | 01:18 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: Apparently not. | 01:19 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: uh, apparently lp did something funky and removed it when I milestoned it. | 01:19 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: we probably changed it at the same time | 01:19 |
| pitti | I set it to high, assigned it to Till, and milestoned | 01:20 |
| Fujitsu | pitti: It was 9 minutes apart. | 01:20 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: no, we didn't. I remember seeing you had assigned it to Till already. | 01:20 |
| Mithrandir | but it wasn't milestoned. | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | it's still milestoned, etc. | 01:20 |
| Mithrandir | anyway, it's high/till-ed now | 01:20 |
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| === Fujitsu blames dodgy Malone instead. | ||
| Hobbsee | clearly Ubugtu hasnt gotten an updated email or something yet - it's always a bit delaye | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | d | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:20 |
| === Hobbsee BLAMES SEVEAS! | ||
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: lunch first :) | 01:21 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: No, the status on the actual bug got reset. | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | oh, weird | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | oh, meh. 3 people trying to modify the same bug at once always causes large amounts of trouble | 01:22 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Mithrandir was some 8 minutes later. Milestoning seems to reset it. | 01:22 |
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| Mithrandir | slomo_: how well tested is this? | 01:24 |
| Keybuk | pitti: I have a patch already I think | 01:24 |
| slomo_ | Mithrandir: works fine for me since the day of the release | 01:25 |
| Keybuk | in the sense that I have an upload that restores cups to its formerly working state | 01:25 |
| slomo_ | Mithrandir: and i tested it with almost all packages that depend on it | 01:26 |
| Mithrandir | slomo_: and no ille effects? | 01:26 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: it looks fairly easy to just adjust its perception of where the mime database should be instead? | 01:26 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: the problem is that cups doesn't support path:path:path :p | 01:27 |
| cjwatson | I think it would be good to finish the job rather than reverting if possible | 01:27 |
| cjwatson | the idea was to add such support to cups, I understood | 01:27 |
| cjwatson | was discussed on IRC the other day | 01:27 |
| pitti | Keybuk: it's supposed to support it now | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | the patch uploaded only changes the string of paths, it doesn't add any kind of support for looking in multiple directories | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | pitti: this is signed by your key ... did you test it before upload? | 01:27 |
| slomo_ | Mithrandir: nope, everything perfect :) | 01:28 |
| pitti | Keybuk: not this time, I started trusting Till's uploads | 01:28 |
| pitti | and time crunch, sorry | 01:28 |
| === pitti needs to run for about two hours, bbl | ||
| Mithrandir | slomo_: ok, approved. | 01:29 |
| slomo_ | Mithrandir: thanks | 01:29 |
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| ogra | seb128, jammcq> hey, even after applying 130mb of updates, it still locks up when I try and shutdown, but shutting down from GDM seems to be fine | 01:31 |
| ogra | seems like gpm or gnome-session misbehave | 01:32 |
| bmm | Hi everybody. I'm packaging the io language interperter, do I need to post an ITP somewhere (like with debian)? | 01:32 |
| Fujitsu | ogra: locks up like how? When I last tried it (an hour or two ago) the button pressed, but then the session froze before it popped up again. | 01:33 |
| seb128 | ogra: gpm is not used for shutdown | 01:33 |
| ogra | seb128, oh, you didnt switch at all ? | 01:33 |
| ogra | i thought you had planned that | 01:33 |
| ogra | Fujitsu, the logout dialog just hangs on a greyed out desktop | 01:34 |
| seb128 | ogra: and I decided to do it next cycle because it was late in the cycle already, etc | 01:34 |
| ogra | ok | 01:34 |
| Fujitsu | ogra: I can confirm that. | 01:34 |
| seb128 | ogra: do you have network-manager installed? does it happen without it? | 01:34 |
| seb128 | we had a bug where it happens to guy and it's fixed without n-m | 01:34 |
| ogra | dunno, i'll ask jammcq to join here | 01:34 |
| seb128 | maybe it takes the lo interface down or something | 01:34 |
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| shawarma | bmm: Try #ubuntu-motu | 01:35 |
| ogra | hey jammcq | 01:35 |
| jammcq | hello ogra | 01:36 |
| seb128 | hi jammcq | 01:36 |
| jammcq | hello seb128 | 01:36 |
| ogra | jammcq, <seb128> ogra: do you have network-manager installed? does it happen without it? | 01:36 |
| ogra | <seb128> we had a bug where it happens to guy and it's fixed without n-m | 01:36 |
| bmm | shawarma: will do, thanks | 01:36 |
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| jammcq | having a small problem withfeisty | 01:36 |
| jammcq | yes, I have nm installed, and that's working fine. haven't tried without it | 01:36 |
| ogra | jammcq, see above | 01:36 |
| ogra | seems it has cases where it touches the lo interface | 01:36 |
| jammcq | how do I try without it? remove it? | 01:36 |
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| Fujitsu | Does NM have a habit of making lo vanish? Mine does sometimes. | 01:37 |
| seb128 | jammcq: uninstall the package | 01:38 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: no idea | 01:38 |
| jammcq | my nm has been working wonderfully for the last 4 weeks or so | 01:38 |
| heno | Hobbsee: do you still see 20 sec load times on LP? I find it's improved over the past 3-4 days | 01:38 |
| jammcq | seb128: ok, i'll remove it right now | 01:38 |
| heno | Hobbsee: I'm asking so I can give useful feedback to the LP team | 01:38 |
| ogra | Fujitsu, it has way more evil habits than touching lo ... i.e. shutting down static interfaces you run servers on ... :) | 01:38 |
| Fujitsu | ogra: I find touching lo to be worse. | 01:39 |
| ogra | even though killing lo might be similary evil | 01:39 |
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| Hobbsee | heno: yes. before it was 45+. i'm speaking to SteveA at the moment about it, and he's testing. | 01:39 |
| Fujitsu | It breaks my mpd regularly :( | 01:39 |
| heno | Hobbsee: ok, thanks. it's never been that bad here, 20, but not 45 I think | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | heno: yes, but you're not aussie | 01:40 |
| heno | about 2-3 seconds now at worst | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | at worst. that'd be at best, for here. lucky. | 01:41 |
| tepsipakki | jammcq: put "exit 0" to /etc/default/NetworkManager and /etc/default/NetworkManagerDispatcher.. | 01:41 |
| tepsipakki | that's how I disable it | 01:41 |
| tepsipakki | that could also be documented somewhere | 01:42 |
| heno | Hobbsee: do you have caching of SSL enabled? | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | heno: no, we were asked to test without it | 01:42 |
| heno | right, ok | 01:42 |
| jammcq | seb128: ok, removed nm, rebooted. shutdown still hangs :( | 01:43 |
| seb128 | ok, not it then | 01:43 |
| seb128 | dunno what it would be :/ | 01:44 |
| jammcq | can I just re-install nm now? | 01:44 |
| seb128 | yep | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | heno: ssl caching doesn't seem to make any difference for me here. | 01:44 |
| jammcq | also, on the updates that I installed today, cups seems to have a problem with post-inst | 01:44 |
| jammcq | I got this: | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | jammcq: known. | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir, should that mod-mono build show up on LP even from -proposed ? ( i'm not seeing it yet is why i ask ) | 01:45 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: have you had a chance to look at the gnome-power-manager build failure on sparc? | 01:45 |
| ogra | seb128, its weird that it works from gdm directly though ... do you know the status of the current console kit implementation we use ? might be that its needing it now ... | 01:45 |
| jammcq | E: cupsys:subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 | 01:45 |
| heno | Mithrandir: as in 'it's fixed to be equally good', or equally bad? | 01:45 |
| seb128 | ogra: we don't use console kit | 01:45 |
| jammcq | Hobbsee: known issue on the shutdown problem? | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | jammcq: https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205 | 01:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [High,Fix committed] | 01:45 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i looked at the ftbfs log and understood that i have no clue how to fix it ... | 01:45 |
| jammcq | oh | 01:45 |
| heno | if that makes sense | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | jammcq: no, the cupsys | 01:45 |
| jammcq | cool, i won't worry about it then | 01:46 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, nothing beyond that yet | 01:46 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: have you solicited help? | 01:46 |
| ogra | not yet # | 01:46 |
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| Mithrandir | heno: it's between 1 and 5 seconds for me. | 01:47 |
| Mithrandir | so quite bad, but nowhere near the times Hobbsee are seeing. | 01:47 |
| ogra | the ftbfs log is here, in case some sparc god is listening ... http://librarian.launchpad.net/6761499/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.gnome-power-manager_2.18.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 01:53 |
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| seb128 | ogra: don't use -Werror ;) | 01:53 |
| seb128 | I'm not a sparc god, that's a workaround though :p | 01:54 |
| seb128 | Werror doesn't bring much to a stable version | 01:54 |
| ogra | hmm | 01:54 |
| fabbione | ogra: it's problably complaining that the stuff is not 64bit alligned | 01:55 |
| fabbione | even if userland is 32 | 01:55 |
| seb128 | GNOME tarball usually use Werror on SVN only | 01:55 |
| fabbione | all the access must be 64bit alligned | 01:55 |
| ogra | well, amd64 doesnt make probs ... | 01:55 |
| fabbione | amd64 does not require allignment | 01:55 |
| ogra | neither do i get reports fro ppc64 | 01:55 |
| fabbione | same | 01:55 |
| ogra | ah | 01:55 |
| ogra | ok | 01:55 |
| fabbione | sparc is the only one that forces it | 01:55 |
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| ogra | fabbione, but since its only a warning, it should do no harm to just disable Werror ? | 01:59 |
| ogra | or do i need to hack up the upstream code ? | 01:59 |
| fabbione | ogra: i am ok if you want to disable -Werror only for sparc | 02:00 |
| ogra | well, since seb128 says its disabled in upstream releases anyway i'm fine to switch it off everywhere ... dunno why gpm didnt do that | 02:00 |
| ogra | configure.in has a commented line without Werror, likely just an oversight of hughsie | 02:01 |
| iwj | Feh, the pdf from my i386 build of opensp doesn't make powerpc's pdf2ps crash. I'll have to build opensp on davis. | 02:02 |
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| iwj | Mithrandir: That opensp build WFM when I build it by hand on davis. | 02:13 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: ugh. I could try a give-back and see if it's just a bogon which hit the buildd at the wrong time. | 02:13 |
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| iwj | Mithrandir: I think it may be a difference in the gs versions. | 02:14 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: well, I just gave it back; let's hope it works this time around, else we can ask for a freshening of the davis chroot? | 02:14 |
| iwj | Just a mo ... | 02:15 |
| iwj | ... the buildd used gs-esp and davis is using gs-gpl. | 02:16 |
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| iwj | gs-esp is 8.15 and full of bugs. | 02:16 |
| iwj | *sigh* | 02:17 |
| iwj | I think that for feisty I might try and see if I can persuade Till that we should make gs-gpl the default. | 02:17 |
| Mithrandir | I'm scared of doing that change at this point. | 02:17 |
| iwj | Yers. Well the alternative is to have me debug it and find a bug which will turn out to have been fixed in 8.54. | 02:18 |
| iwj | But I can do that if that's what you want :-). I quite _enjoy_ bughunting in gs, but it seems a bit silly when the bug is already fixed elsewhere and we just don't know which one it is ... | 02:18 |
| Mithrandir | changing the build-deps should be the easy way out on this one. | 02:19 |
| iwj | Mithrandir: Err, yes. Nice kludge. | 02:19 |
| iwj | OK, shall I do that ? | 02:19 |
| Mithrandir | yes, please. | 02:19 |
| iwj | OK. | 02:19 |
| Mithrandir | I was more worried about changing the default, but if you can make a good case for it, we can certainly discuss it. | 02:20 |
| Mithrandir | 8.54 > 8.15, after all. :-) | 02:20 |
| iwj | Quite. The problem is that there are quite a few printers which aren't supported in gs-gpl but are in gs-esp. | 02:20 |
| iwj | Ideally we'd use gs-gpl for ps processing and stuff and gs-esp just as a backend. | 02:20 |
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| Mithrandir | hmm. If this was two months ago, I'd think that would be a swell idea. :-) | 02:21 |
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| asac | source thaifonts-scalable is not in merges (main) list ... i guess this is an automatically sync'ed package, right? | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | asac: might be on the manual merge page | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | asac: version number suggests that it's nto an autosync | 02:25 |
| asac | right ... so what does this mean ... in regards to updating it to latest? | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | asac: well, the version number means that it's nto in debian, or wasnt at the time of packaging, so you can just update it in ubuntu (and get a UVFe because we're in freeze) | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | if it's in debian now, then you should merge it with the debian packaging, to get debian fixes. if it's really whacked, dont bother, just grab any fixes in there | 02:27 |
| asac | ah ok :) | 02:29 |
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| Keybuk | cjwatson: mbp has found an amusing bug | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: the rescue thing on the alternate CD doesn't have a "normal" /sbin/init, does it? :p | 03:32 |
| cjwatson | no ...? | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | busybox init | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | so when you upgrade upstart, and the postinst sends SIGTERM to pid 1 to tell the running one to reexec ... what do you think happens? :p | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | heh | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | sysvinit used to check whether it was running in a chroot, I'm sure | 03:34 |
| cjwatson | hmm, maybe not, dunno | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | nah, sysvinit used to use /dev/initctl to tell it to rexec | 03:34 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: now you know why ;) | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | upstart uses the signal since most of the time I need to do it is when I've wedged it | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | and signal handlers have the advantage of not needing the main loop to be working properly :p | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | is there a way to tell you're running in a chroot? | 03:36 |
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| siretart_ | iwj: are you still interested in my 'initramfs'? | 03:40 |
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| BenC | * quickcam: Add 0.6.6 driver (from qc-usb package). | 03:43 |
| BenC | - GIT-SHA 6cfdbcfc6427769567a0b4bb593751c089f3d852 | 03:43 |
| BenC | Nafallo: ^^ | 03:43 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: could you quickly review kboot-installer? I need it in main | 03:45 |
| cjwatson | (it's in NEW) | 03:45 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: Till just sent me a new cupsys package; did you already upload something? | 03:48 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: nope | 03:49 |
| Keybuk | go for it | 03:49 |
| pitti | alright | 03:49 |
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| pitti | mvo: btw, isn't this cups thingy a perfect test case for the u-m apport integration? | 03:50 |
| mvo | pitti: yes! | 03:51 |
| pochu | Mithrandir: there have been some request for xubuntu PPC, would it be possible to build theme in xubuntu/ports? | 03:51 |
| mvo | pitti: the integration is there | 03:51 |
| mvo | or rather, should be there :) | 03:51 |
| pitti | mvo: I don't see any bugs for it | 03:52 |
| pitti | mvo: anyway, I'll do an upgrade to the broken version and check it | 03:52 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks. keep me updated | 03:53 |
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| Mithrandir | pochu: yes, sure. | 03:56 |
| pochu | Mithrandir: thanks :) | 03:56 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: are you ok with me just putting kboot-installer in main? It's written by Colin, it's a d-i component and looks perfectly fine to me. | 03:58 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: of course; in-house developments are no problem | 03:58 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: accepted. | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: thanks; I still wanted to check with you | 03:59 |
| pitti | mvo: hm, I got the postinst failure, and the final dialog with the error message, but no apport report | 03:59 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: thanks | 04:00 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: any chance you could review ps3pf-utils for main? (ideally ps3-kboot as well but that's (a) more complicated and (b) less urgent) | 04:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: can do, yes | 04:00 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 04:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: after cupsys, though | 04:00 |
| mvo | pitti: strange. I will investiage, thanks | 04:02 |
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| pitti | mvo: echo hallo | /usr/share/apport/package_hook -p cupsys still works (and that's testcase'd as well) | 04:03 |
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| pitti | hi tkamppeter | 04:04 |
| === pitti uploads fixed cupsys package, this time tested | ||
| tkamppeter | pitti, can you upload cupsys quickly, as there is bug 92205, one of the "make system totally unusable" thingies. | 04:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205 | 04:05 |
| tkamppeter | You are much faster than me and Ubugtu. | 04:05 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: it would be nice if 96_more-bug-fixes-between-cups-1.2.8-1.2.9 would unapply (but that's much lower priority) | 04:05 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: building the package, and then cleaning it doesn't work ATM | 04:06 |
| tkamppeter | Thnks pitti, otherwise we will get a similar duplicate collection as with hal | 04:06 |
| tkamppeter | This is strange, 96_more-bug-fixes-between-cups-1.2.8-1.2.9 is simply a patch generated with dpatch-edit-patch. | 04:07 |
| tkamppeter | Or do I have to list all patches explicitly also for unapplying (for applying they are in 00list)? | 04:07 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: it has some junk in it (*.orig) which might be the reason; or some of the files it touches are modified during build | 04:07 |
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| jdong | hmm, where can I find a picture of mako? | 04:09 |
| jdong | I think I walked past him 5 minutes ago, without realizing.... | 04:09 |
| tkamppeter | If CUPS 1.2.9 comes out before release simply lets make an UVF ER, as with this patch we are simply approaching 1.2.9 (all minor releases of CUPS are pue | 04:09 |
| tkamppeter | pure bug fix releases. | 04:09 |
| tepsipakki | jdong: planet.u.c | 04:10 |
| Spads | jdong: http://mako.cc/images/mako_suit2-small.png | 04:10 |
| jdong | looks.... strikingly similar | 04:11 |
| jdong | I saw someone looking very similar, but with a longer beard, walking near the Stata center | 04:11 |
| jdong | with an Asian girl | 04:11 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, can you also upload gutenprint and gs-esp to fix bug 36532 | 04:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36532 in gutenprint ""Unsupported format" when trying to print" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36532 | 04:12 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: can do a bit later; please mail me | 04:13 |
| Mithrandir | jdong: his wife looks Asian, iirc. | 04:16 |
| jdong | aww are you serious? | 04:17 |
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| sore_loser | I hate myself | 04:17 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have already mailed you. | 04:19 |
| cjwatson | she's of Japanese extraction I believe | 04:19 |
| sore_loser | http://www.flickr.com/photos/krysalist/156408781/in/set-514981/ | 04:19 |
| sore_loser | yeah | 04:19 |
| sore_loser | that's them | 04:19 |
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| sore_loser | I suck at life.... | 04:19 |
| pitti | sore_loser: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/reflections/20060502-00.html | 04:19 |
| sore_loser | yeah, definitely them | 04:19 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: packaging/quick source code review/QA looks good, approved | 04:25 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: thanks | 04:26 |
| nixternal | Keybuk: pinging you letting you know that Palmer has issues building. It failed to build kubuntu-docs 7.04-3 and gnome games as well just a few minutes ago | 04:27 |
| nixternal | ^^ or anyone else on the BDM | 04:27 |
| hunger | Any fix to cups in the queue yet? | 04:29 |
| cjwatson | pitti: 15:04 * pitti uploads fixed cupsys package, this time tested | 04:29 |
| pitti | hunger: uploaded 30 minutes ago | 04:29 |
| cjwatson | er | 04:29 |
| cjwatson | hunger: ^-- | 04:29 |
| nixternal | pitti: you rock!!! | 04:29 |
| hunger | pitti: Wow, you guys are fast! Thanks! | 04:30 |
| nixternal | now I can print out my midterm cheat sheets :) | 04:30 |
| pitti | nixternal: well, I don't; I should have tested the sponsored upload in the first place | 04:30 |
| nixternal | pitti: well I should have done the same the otherday with kubuntu-docs | 04:30 |
| nixternal | thank god they "DIDN'T" overwrite ubuntu-docs :) | 04:30 |
| jdong | nixternal: we got one of those.... it was a mockery..... | 04:30 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:30 |
| jdong | "The area of a square with side s is s^2" | 04:30 |
| jdong | thanks a lot. | 04:30 |
| nixternal | lol | 04:31 |
| === hunger still has a broken cupsys and kubuntu-docs. I guess I'll have to wait a while longer for your uploads to get visible on my mirror. | ||
| jdong | (it was for a multivariable calculus exam... TA's apparenlty find stuff like this funny) | 04:32 |
| pitti | hunger: or dpkg -i the previous version in your apt cache | 04:32 |
| hunger | pitti: Not that much of a problem. I hardly ever print anyway. | 04:32 |
| nixternal | hunger: palmer broke down during the building of the new kubuntu-docs :) so you have to wait even longer for that one | 04:32 |
| jdong | nixternal: actually it saw my xgl upload and went off to clean itself | 04:33 |
| hunger | nixternal: Well, who needs docs anyway? | 04:33 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:33 |
| nixternal | hey now, don't say that, I spent 5 months rewriting them | 04:34 |
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| hunger | nixternal: Oh, I'll better shut up then. Maybe I should even read them for a change. | 04:35 |
| nixternal | heh, they aren't good | 04:36 |
| nixternal | lol | 04:36 |
| hunger | nixternal: What did you do those 5 month then? Stare at the blank screen wondering what to write?;-) | 04:38 |
| nixternal | shh, there are to many *big whigs* in here ;p | 04:38 |
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| jdong_ | nixternal: excellent use of the word "pervasive" :) | 04:44 |
| jdong_ | though I think pervasive availability = ubiquity </pun> | 04:44 |
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| Nafallo | BenC: thanks :-) | 05:06 |
| ogra | pochu, could you please use real adresses in your mails ? "To: undisclosed-recipients : ;" makes my spamfilter unhappy | 05:06 |
| pochu | ogra: sorry, but that mail was to about 30 or 40 people... and I'm not happy if then somebody does "reply all" ;) | 05:07 |
| pochu | ogra: they were BBC | 05:07 |
| ogra | ok ... | 05:07 |
| pitti | ogra: hm, that's fairly common, though | 05:07 |
| pitti | ogra: and I never saw it in actual spam | 05:07 |
| ogra | just dont count on me seeing them then ... | 05:07 |
| ogra | pitti, i filter *all* undisclosed-recipients mails to my spam folder, i never saw it in any regular mail | 05:08 |
| pochu | ogra: if had set up a ML, I would have spamed it ;) | 05:08 |
| ogra | only from script mailers yet | 05:08 |
| pochu | if you also | 05:08 |
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| mako | jdong: actually, that was me | 05:13 |
| mako | jdong: i just walked by the stat center with an asian girl about 2 hours ago | 05:13 |
| jdong | mako!!! :) | 05:13 |
| jdong | mako: I was the nerdy looking asian kid crossing the street in front of stata :) | 05:13 |
| mako | jdong: i didn't realize you were local | 05:13 |
| mako | i thought you were in the midwest for some reason | 05:14 |
| jdong | yeah, just got here spring term.... | 05:14 |
| jdong | I used to live in Michigan | 05:14 |
| mako | jdong: you a student here now? | 05:14 |
| jdong | mako: yeah | 05:14 |
| mako | awesome :) | 05:14 |
| jdong | awesome place :) | 05:15 |
| mako | want to have lunch outside with some media labbers? | 05:15 |
| iwj | Bah! My dom0 still crashes even now I've made the machine have plenty of RAM. | 05:15 |
| jdong | mako: aww already ate lunch, and got a calc exam tomorrow that I'm not ready for... perhaps another time :) | 05:16 |
| Spads | iwj: all hail Xen, destroyer of nodes | 05:16 |
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| jdong | Spads: isn't that reiser? oh wait not inodes | 05:16 |
| Spads | haha | 05:16 |
| iwj | reiser - destroys more than just inodes. | 05:16 |
| jdong | oh boy, a murder joke | 05:17 |
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| Spads | jdong: it cuts down your btrees too | 05:17 |
| jdong | we used "he cdr up piece by piece" in scheme class the other day :D | 05:18 |
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| shawarma | How many /win 2 | 05:20 |
| shawarma | Nice one.. | 05:21 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I am putting up another cupsys package, 0ubuntu7, to fix bug 92042. Can you upload it. Thanks. | 05:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92042 in cupsys "cupsys in feisty doesn't put any backends into /usr/lib/cups/backend/" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92042 | 05:23 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: does this also fix the patch? | 05:23 |
| jwendell | pitti, i have a file control.in with this inside: Build-Depends: @cdbs@,... | 05:23 |
| jwendell | pitti, when i run debuild it fails saying there is no control file | 05:24 |
| tkamppeter | Yes, I have removed two unneeded .orig files from it. | 05:24 |
| pitti | jwendell: that's from the Dark Side of the Force | 05:24 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: thanks | 05:24 |
| jwendell | haha | 05:24 |
| jwendell | pitti, how to generate control from control.in ? | 05:24 |
| pitti | jwendell: look in debian/rules, there ought to be a special target for it | 05:25 |
| jwendell | pitti, there isn't | 05:25 |
| jwendell | #DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL:=yes | 05:26 |
| jwendell | pitti, is that? | 05:26 |
| pitti | jwendell: please don't enable it | 05:26 |
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| jwendell | :) | 05:26 |
| pitti | jwendell: TBH, the cleanest fix would be to just move control.in to control, add the necessary build-deps, and rest in peace | 05:26 |
| jwendell | pitti, ok, thanks :) | 05:26 |
| pitti | jwendell: if not, temporarily uncomment that line, clean the package once, and comment it back | 05:27 |
| ogra | pitti, isnt that even in the reject faq of debian ... ? i wonder how all these control.in hacks make it into the distro | 05:27 |
| pitti | ogra: no idea about the reject faq; however, most Gnome packages have it as well | 05:28 |
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| pitti | ogra: it updates the Uploaders: field on build | 05:28 |
| pitti | ogra: and having 'debian/rules generate-control' is fine; it's just evil to change it on clean or build IMHO | 05:29 |
| ogra | i know what it does ... i got tricked by it often enough :) | 05:29 |
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| moox | hi there. Where are libapache2-mod-php4 for feisty ? | 05:30 |
| ogra | pitti, http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html | 05:30 |
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| ogra | but its about changing build-deps, not maintainers/uploaders | 05:30 |
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| malix0 | hi all | 05:31 |
| geser | moox: php4 got removed from feisty | 05:32 |
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| moox | geser: mmh... baaad for me | 05:32 |
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| malix0 | I have recompiled a package (with my patch) and installed it with dpkg, but now apt-get upgrade want upgrade the package with the one on-line, the two packages (the one recompiled from me and the one in the edgy-updates) have the same version | 05:33 |
| geser | moox: can't you use php5? | 05:33 |
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| malix0 | I have tried to use a local repository too, but the package on-line have precedence | 05:34 |
| malix0 | did someone can help me, thanks | 05:35 |
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| geser | malix0: you can set it to hold or better add an own suffix to your version | 05:36 |
| malix0 | geser: how ? | 05:37 |
| geser | add an own changelog entry | 05:37 |
| moox | geser: no, I must use ezpublish (php4 only). I'll install edgy using kvm :) | 05:37 |
| pitti | moox: you so much don't want to install any Ubuntu php4 version | 05:38 |
| pitti | moox: PHP 4 is not supported any more since breezy | 05:39 |
| malix0 | geser: with dh_installchangelogs ? | 05:39 |
| jdong | oh look RHEL5 is out. | 05:39 |
| ogra | malix0, update the version in the sourcepackages changelog before building the package | 05:40 |
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| geser | malix0: no, edit debian/changelog | 05:40 |
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| moox | pitti: ok. I didn't know..thanx | 05:43 |
| shawarma | How many SoC applications did we get last year? | 05:47 |
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| malix0 | geser: ok now I'm rebuilding the package | 05:48 |
| malix0 | geser: I change the debin/changelog manually, but is there a tool that I can use for this task? | 05:49 |
| geser | malix0: dch from the devscripts package | 05:51 |
| malix0 | geser: thanks :) | 05:52 |
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| malix0 | geser: excuse me, I have another question | 05:59 |
| ogra | seb128, hughsie will care for the sparc fix upstream he said ... (alongside with fixing -Werror) | 06:00 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, ich habe jetzt noch ein neues foo2zjs-Paket zum hochladen fuer dich, fuer bug 92216 (biff) | 06:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92216 in foo2zjs "File in foo2zjs conflicts with mcompress" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92216 | 06:00 |
| ogra | so we just have to wait | 06:00 |
| malix0 | geser: this time regarding package repository. I follow the Debian repository how to and create a repository tree | 06:00 |
| seb128 | ogra: k | 06:00 |
| ogra | he said leaving Werror in place was intentional to find build errors :P | 06:01 |
| malix0 | geser: but how can I manage the pool tree? Is there a tool? | 06:01 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, but there is one thing which has to be done by a release manager. foo2zjs depends on mscompress now and mscompress is in universe | 06:01 |
| tkamppeter | Can you move mscompress to main? | 06:01 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: that requires a main inclusion report and review | 06:02 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, also needed if it is taken in by a dependency? | 06:02 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: yes, of course | 06:02 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: urgh, why is that thing necessary? cupsys certainly doesn't need mscompress'ed files? | 06:03 |
| ogra | pitti, GDI drivers ? | 06:04 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter: please mail me for all pending uploads | 06:08 |
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| mvo | pitti: I fixed a bug in the apport integration code, new upload soon | 06:28 |
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| pitti | mvo: great, thanks | 06:34 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks for verifiying it | 06:35 |
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| wolferine | <Seveas> i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you? | 06:43 |
| ogra | wolferine, please stop spamming all channels | 06:44 |
| Treenaks | wolferine: don't take fights from other channels here | 06:44 |
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| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Are you able to trigger another rebuild of acpid? | 06:59 |
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| jwendell | seb128, we have entire gtk 2.10.10 in feisty, right? | 07:10 |
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| seb128 | jwendell: we have 2.10.10 patched to work (equivalent of 2.10.11) | 07:15 |
| seb128 | jwendell: I did upload it before getting the tab bug fixed | 07:15 |
| seb128 | s/did/didn't | 07:15 |
| jwendell | seb128, right, i guess there was a mistake on 2.10.10 release... | 07:15 |
| seb128 | jwendell: they don't roll a new tarball in the next day for nothing ;) | 07:16 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 07:17 |
| Toadstool | smart-notifier (0.28-1ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low | 07:19 |
| Toadstool | * debian/smart-notifier.postinst: no need to restart dbus daemon anymore | 07:19 |
| Toadstool | oops | 07:19 |
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| Mithrandir | mjg59: not when LP is offline, no. If it ftbfs, I can trigger it when I get home again (I'm on my way out the door) | 07:22 |
| pochu | Mithrandir: just the beta is offline (dunno if that helps) | 07:23 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: it didn't ftbfs, so no, I can't trigger a rebuild. Just upload a new version. | 07:24 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: what would you think about fixing bug 87292 with http://pastebin.ca/394978 ? | 07:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87292 in python2.5 "packaging backend crashes with "Interrupted system call"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87292 | 07:26 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: we can fix it in python proper and thus solve the problem for other Python applications as well, or I stuff it in apport to just fix the bug there; the former has the theoretical impact of breaking apps which *expect* EINTR to be thrown from subprocess (although I cannot conceive why someone would want this) | 07:26 |
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| mjg59 | Mithrandir: ? It did ftbfs, surely? | 07:31 |
| mjg59 | Or has it been pushed through again since then? | 07:31 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I attached the debdiff to the bug as well | 07:33 |
| jwendell | seb128, can ubuntu backport that patch? (bug 83278) | 07:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83278 in gtk+2.0 "Phantom space in Notification Area" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83278 | 07:34 |
| asac | cdimage.ubuntu.com gives me 23Kb/s :( | 07:35 |
| seb128 | jwendell: it was on my list | 07:36 |
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| jwendell | seb128, 'was' ? | 07:37 |
| seb128 | it was already on my list | 07:37 |
| jwendell | hehe | 07:37 |
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| === seb128 hugs jwendell | ||
| trycyt | Can update-alternatives be used to manage symlinks in /usr/lib/cups/backend ? | 07:38 |
| trycyt | Anyone? | 07:40 |
| seb128 | trycyt: is that required? | 07:45 |
| seb128 | trycyt: better to avoid alternatives when they are not really required | 07:45 |
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| trycyt | seb128: I'm making a package in which a CUPS backend has to be determined through a symlink. | 07:52 |
| dholbach | Riddell: when you updated decibel - did you change the packaging to split out different libraries? different library packages? | 07:53 |
| Riddell | dholbach: there is only 1 library, I renamed the binary packages | 07:54 |
| Riddell | dholbach: although I see now I forgot to update the shlibs lines in debian/rules | 07:54 |
| trycyt | seb128: So the symlink /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb would point to an alternative spooler besides /usr/bin/smbspool | 07:54 |
| dholbach | Riddell: ok, just wanted to make sure | 07:54 |
| dholbach | Riddell: was the consensus to just upload "that stuff" now? | 07:55 |
| trycyt | seb128: And as far as I've seen, alternatives are used liberally in other Debian packages. | 07:55 |
| Riddell | dholbach: from the kubuntu side it was :) | 07:55 |
| ajmitch | morning | 07:56 |
| dholbach | Riddell: as I said in the thread - we should probably talk about that with the TB - as the TB approved the spec | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | a shame we just missed a TB meeting yesterday | 07:57 |
| dholbach | Riddell: i really don't want to argue and fight over it | 07:57 |
| seb128 | trycyt: yeah, extra complexity create bugs, I just don't like alternatives much because of that | 07:57 |
| Riddell | I'm happy to have tech board consider it | 07:57 |
| dholbach | hi ajmitch | 07:57 |
| ajmitch | hey daniel | 07:57 |
| dholbach | it seems that some people thought that the MC decided something already - which was not the case | 07:57 |
| dholbach | some people merely expressed concerns | 07:58 |
| dholbach | I wouldn't like to have tension over that topic or block people's work that much. | 07:58 |
| ajmitch | if the MC makes a decision, people won't be happy | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | same if the KC makes a decision :) | 07:59 |
| dholbach | "we're going to do it anyway" is just not an option | 08:02 |
| dholbach | might be that the MC was the wrong group to ask and the TB would have been the better place | 08:03 |
| trycyt | seb128: Hmm, also, would a package maintainer ever need to add anything in the Depends: line other than ${shlibs:Depends} ? | 08:03 |
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| trycyt | seb128: According to what I've read it appears as though I wouldn't, but is it just redundant if I include the dependencies anyway? | 08:03 |
| trycyt | seb128: Or is it actually necessary? | 08:03 |
| seb128 | trycyt: shlibs work for libraries, not for icon theme, other binaries, utils required, etc | 08:06 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have done a MainInclusionRequest for mscompress, so the foo2zjs problem can be fixed for the Feisty beta. | 08:08 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have also sent mails to you about all needed package updates. There were many today. | 08:09 |
| trycyt | seb128: So a program needs it to be compiled, ${shlibs:Depends} would automagically know of which package to use? | 08:12 |
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| pochu | do you guys know when we will the first beta candidate? Mithrandir ? | 08:15 |
| tkamppeter | Mithrandir, pitti, some minutes ago ESP GhostScript 8.15.4 was announced, the last ESP GhostScript at all (after that ESP GS and GPL GS will merge). This release is a pure bug fix release and most of these fixes are already in our package by means of patches. Should I package 8.15.4 for Feisty (beta)? | 08:17 |
| dholbach | pochu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | hm, strigi was uploaded? | 08:20 |
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| pochu | dholbach: there it says when beta will be out, but not the beta candidates (to test them, as Testing/Matrix) | 08:21 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 08:22 |
| pochu | thanks anyway :) | 08:23 |
| dholbach | good night everybody - see you tomorrow | 08:23 |
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| mdz | pochu: not until the freeze begins, at the earliest | 08:29 |
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| pochu | mdz: ok, ty | 08:29 |
| pochu | mdz: the freeze is tonight, isn't it? :) | 08:30 |
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| trycyt | So does update-alternatives not work with anything outside of /usr/bin? As in, can I do something like sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/cups/backend/mytest mytest /usr/bin/myprogram 50 ? | 08:41 |
| trycyt | It doesn't seem to be working for whatever reason. | 08:41 |
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| Treenaks | trycyt: works fine for /usr/share (ls -l /etc/alternatives) | 08:44 |
| evo_ | is there a way to see a list of projects ubuntu is looking to find developers for? | 08:44 |
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| Treenaks | evo_: do you mean http://www.ubuntu.com/employment or https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs? | 08:45 |
| trycyt | Treenaks: It seems to generate a broken symlink for me. | 08:45 |
| evo_ | Treenaks: more like package maintainer stuff | 08:46 |
| Treenaks | evo_: ah.. wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ? | 08:47 |
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| evo_ | that looks like the one, thanks! | 08:47 |
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| seb128 | trycyt: shlibs will list all the libs your program is using | 09:30 |
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| ogra | seb128, ogra@edubuntu:~/packages/ltspfs-0.4.3$ yelp | 09:49 |
| ogra | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 09:49 |
| ogra | :( | 09:49 |
| ogra | thats 2.18 | 09:49 |
| seb128 | ogra: what libgnomevfs2-0 version? | 09:50 |
| ogra | the last 2.17 ... | 09:50 |
| ogra | shouldnt there be a versioned dep ? | 09:50 |
| mjg59 | And license their cores | 09:50 |
| mjg59 | Oops. | 09:51 |
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| seb128 | ogra: could you get the exact version you are using? | 09:51 |
| seb128 | ogra: 2.18.0 is buggy, 2.17 is not | 09:51 |
| ogra | 2.18.0-0ubuntu1 | 09:51 |
| seb128 | ogt | 09:51 |
| ogra | aha | 09:51 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:51 |
| seb128 | you want 2.18.0.1 | 09:51 |
| seb128 | it fixes the yelp crasher and has been uploaded yesterday | 09:51 |
| ogra | yep, just getting | 09:52 |
| ogra | thanks | 09:52 |
| seb128 | np | 09:52 |
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| ogra | i havnet seen the edubuntu docs yet, i was already worried they cause a crash :) | 09:52 |
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| Mithrandir | mjg59: I gave it back after pitti uploaded the pkgmaintainermangler fix the other day. | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | tkamppeter: can you give me a debdiff and a list of the bugs in LP it fixes? | 09:54 |
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| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Ah, excellent. No worries, then. | 09:57 |
| Mithrandir | happy to help. :-) | 09:57 |
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| imbrandon | Mithrandir, hum is there a reason mod-mono still hasent built yet ? | 10:00 |
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| Mithrandir | imbrandon: it's still in the queue, since I'm a slacker. | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok , no worries, just was asking someone to test and it wasent there | 10:01 |
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| imbrandon | hehe | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | thought something might have went wrong | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: can you set the bug to fix committed? It should be referenced in the changelog. | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | sure | 10:03 |
| Mithrandir | ok, accepted. | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | you rock | 10:03 |
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| Mithrandir | it just didn't make this cycle, so it'll be published in about 1.5 hours, then built in the next cycle, so the binaries should be around a little before midnight UTC, I think. | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir, k, thanks | 10:04 |
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| Gwaihir | can somebody help me with a package-find issue? or at least tell me where can I ask... | 10:06 |
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| Gwaihir | I'm looking for the desktop-effects package... to translate it... | 10:07 |
| pochu | Gwaihir: have you tried in Launchpad? | 10:08 |
| Gwaihir | nope... I'll try... thx | 10:08 |
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| ogra | yay GNOME 2.18 released \Q/ | 10:38 |
| jdong | yay are there any buttons left on the print dialog? | 10:43 |
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| seb128 | jdong: what do you mean? | 10:46 |
| jdong | it seems like printer options tend to disappear from GNOME over time :) | 10:46 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:46 |
| tepsipakki | the new dialog is nice | 10:47 |
| seb128 | the new GTK+ API should have most of useful options | 10:47 |
| jdong | like what's the justification for not presenting printer options to the user at print-time? | 10:47 |
| tepsipakki | if only OO.org used it | 10:47 |
| seb128 | what dialog are you speaking about? | 10:47 |
| seb128 | libgnomeprintui is crap | 10:47 |
| jdong | seb128: i.e. epiphany's Print dialog | 10:47 |
| seb128 | the new GTK dialog should be fine | 10:47 |
| jdong | ok, haven't tried the new one yet | 10:47 |
| seb128 | what option do you lack? margin? | 10:47 |
| jdong | seb128: print quality | 10:47 |
| seb128 | epiphany uses GtkPrint | 10:47 |
| jdong | seb128: I have a photo printer, and that setting makes a huge difference between ink used and outpt quality | 10:48 |
| Fujitsu | jdong: Print quality is the big one I miss. | 10:48 |
| seb128 | do you have an advanced teb? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | tab | 10:48 |
| jdong | seb128: the option is availabe from the cups manager thing | 10:48 |
| jdong | seb128: but lacking in any print dialogs... I know Edgy didn't have any advanced tabs | 10:48 |
| seb128 | maybe it depends on your printer | 10:48 |
| Fujitsu | It's certainly not there in Feisty. | 10:48 |
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| seb128 | epiphany has an advanced tab with a "print mode" and a "resolution, quality, ink type, media" option | 10:49 |
| jdong | no, not in Feisty either | 10:49 |
| jdong | how do you get all those options? | 10:49 |
| seb128 | I don't have them when printing to a file | 10:49 |
| jdong | hmm | 10:49 |
| seb128 | using a printer I've them though | 10:49 |
| jdong | maybe that's different in Feisty then | 10:50 |
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| jdong | that'd be a great improvement | 10:50 |
| jdong | and I just noticed that Feisty allows custom print commands | 10:50 |
| jdong | which is wonderful... | 10:50 |
| seb128 | jdong: now is a good time to try feisty rather than describing edgy bug | 10:50 |
| jdong | all our campus printers are lpr/kerberos | 10:50 |
| jdong | seb128: since coming to college I don't have access to my photo printer anymore | 10:51 |
| seb128 | jdong: that's not a design decision, works fine with my deskjet printer, feel free to open a bug, it's either due to cupsys or gtk | 10:53 |
| jdong | ok, thanks | 10:53 |
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| seb128 | jdong: np | 10:54 |
| jdong | seb128: btw did you ever figure out what's the deal with that fglrx compiz patch? | 10:54 |
| seb128 | it's on my list of things to do, I've been busy with GNOME 2.18.0, I'll probably upload that tomorrow | 10:54 |
| jdong | don't work too hard :) | 10:55 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: still awake? | 11:16 |
| tkamppeter | Mithrandir, I am creating the new ESP GS package now and will send you an UVF ER mail with debdiff and upstream ChangeLog when done. | 11:22 |
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| tkamppeter | Anyone still awake who can approve a UVF ER? | 11:35 |
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| sistpoty | tkamppeter: does it still have the x/nox split, as I'm just gathering a few possible breakages on bug #83597 (not that I could approve an UVFe though) | 11:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83597 in kdegraphics "Unknown device: x11alpha " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83597 | 11:37 |
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| tkamppeter | sistpoty, it has the split, and the split will stay, as it is a feature to reduce the installed size of servers. | 11:51 |
| sistpoty | tkamppeter: sure, makes sense | 11:53 |
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| mjg59 | slomo_: Any chance I can convince you that Liferea 1.2.8 is a good plan? | 12:03 |
| mjg59 | slomo_: Significant performance improvements, no other changes | 12:03 |
| ogra | urgh | 12:06 |
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| ogra | *dialogs | 12:06 |
| jdong | ogra: now you know how Congress feels after summer recess. | 12:10 |
| ogra | heh | 12:10 |
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